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Title: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: ariefourie on September 27, 2012, 12:03:31 pm
I'm thinking of getting a KTM 690. What are the pro's and cons for using this bike for touring? Any accessories that should be added to make it more long distance friendly?

Arie Fourie
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Overlander on September 27, 2012, 12:40:55 pm
Hi Arie

Ek ry die naweek van Pretoria na Ellisras en terug...95% grondpad. Sal jou laat weet...

Wat ek jou kan se tot dusver is dat die vibrasie jou effe vang maar dit is 'n probleem op alle super singles...700cc met een piston is nie die smoothste nie.

Maar nogsteeds love ek die fiets...myne het ek verander met die 990 screen en dual fule tanks..

Gesels later.
Janus

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: DREWMARX on October 25, 2012, 02:00:03 pm
Arie,

Kry vir jou n' 690. Ek het nounet n' trip van 5600km van Pretoria na Arusha op myne gedoen. Ek het n' 2012 model, geen probleme nie. Die seat was effens nou, maar na n' paar dae raak jy dit gewoont. My pa het baie gesukkel in die sand en grond as wat ek het. Ek sal nie my 690 ooit ruil vir n' bm nie.

Ek het die ekstra tanks op gesit, vat jou range na so 450km toe wat baie gemaklik vir tour is. Verder het ek net n' alu bashplate opgesit en n' paar ander items van PSP racing, soft luggage van ATG en Flying Brick, meer as voldoende pakplek, en laaste n' Zumo 660 GPS.

Hoop dit help. O ja, die fiets het nie een oomblik se probleme gegee nie, en ek het selfs nog tread op my TKC oor na meer as 6000km.

Vra maar gerus as jy iets wil weet.

Drew
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Road Hog on October 25, 2012, 02:22:48 pm
JUST DO IT
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: N[]vA on October 25, 2012, 02:26:00 pm
change the seat, it will make your ass bleed
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Dwerg on October 25, 2012, 02:26:13 pm
Ek het die ekstra tanks op gesit, vat jou range na so 450km toe wat baie gemaklik vir tour is.

Is dit met net die tenks voor of voor en agter?
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: KoToM on October 25, 2012, 02:31:46 pm
you wont get a better bike for one up touring in adv guise with the tanks and fairing

only thing i want to change on mine is the seat, then no subframe at the rear so for serious loading
you need to sort that

ive taken it jhb to lesotho on a adv trip, i use it to climb dunes at marais and ive even done wild west enduro track.
not many bikes that can do all that...

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Avontier on October 25, 2012, 02:44:47 pm
Three of us have now done a combined 40 000km on 690's on different trips together. No mechanical issues, just unparalleled fun and games. Our longest day in the saddle was 680km tar, another was almost 500km mostly dirt. The 2012's seat is good enough, and 100% better than the older models. They are truly amazing bikes.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Plot on October 25, 2012, 06:03:48 pm
Agreed, just get one. If your ass hurts, that too will pass. And the grin will make up for it... You don't really need to add anything to the bike, except maybe a bash plate and some long range tanks. FMF pipes are also lekker >:D
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: DREWMARX on October 25, 2012, 06:15:52 pm
Hey ARIE,

Yes just the tanks in the front, more than enough, didn't add the full fairing, looks pretty mean with the extra tanks.

I also got the Wings Exhaust fitted, sounds lekker and pulls like a beast with the new map settings.

Lekker fiets.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: adv on October 25, 2012, 07:06:19 pm
Arie, jy is rambo. Om te WIL toer op n 690 is nie speeletjies nie. Veral nie as jy 500/600 km dae wil doen nie.Gee nie om of hy n Enduro of n ORYX is nie. 200km en my gat is lam!
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: KTM11 on October 26, 2012, 06:45:05 am
Three of us have now done a combined 40 000km on 690's on different trips together. No mechanical issues, just unparalleled fun and games. Our longest day in the saddle was 680km tar, another was almost 500km mostly dirt. The 2012's seat is good enough, and 100% better than the older models. They are truly amazing bikes.

I recently changed the seat on my 2008 model and fitted a 2012 model seat, there is a huge difference !!! :thumleft:

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: edgy on October 26, 2012, 07:25:50 am
Three of us have now done a combined 40 000km on 690's on different trips together. No mechanical issues, just unparalleled fun and games. Our longest day in the saddle was 680km tar, another was almost 500km mostly dirt. The 2012's seat is good enough, and 100% better than the older models. They are truly amazing bikes.

I recently changed the seat on my 2008 model and fitted a 2012 model seat, there is a huge difference !!! :thumleft:



How much was the seat?
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: 777 on October 26, 2012, 08:32:52 am
Three of us have now done a combined 40 000km on 690's on different trips together. No mechanical issues, just unparalleled fun and games. Our longest day in the saddle was 680km tar, another was almost 500km mostly dirt. The 2012's seat is good enough, and 100% better than the older models. They are truly amazing bikes.

I recently changed the seat on my 2008 model and fitted a 2012 model seat, there is a huge difference !!! :thumleft:
When we going to get together for a ride??

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: KoToM on October 26, 2012, 09:47:47 am
Three of us have now done a combined 40 000km on 690's on different trips together. No mechanical issues, just unparalleled fun and games. Our longest day in the saddle was 680km tar, another was almost 500km mostly dirt. The 2012's seat is good enough, and 100% better than the older models. They are truly amazing bikes.

I recently changed the seat on my 2008 model and fitted a 2012 model seat, there is a huge difference !!! :thumleft:



How much was the seat?

think they 2k at ktm, touratec in germiston sell direct to the public and they also have a touring seat avail. ive been meaning to go to
go check it out and get a price i need one for the roef, done enough iron butt trips now and there is not a chance in hell im taking the 990 to the roef

will post details ...
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Desert Snoek on October 26, 2012, 12:50:25 pm
Hi Arie,

Ek het die fairing, tank en seat gedoen op myne en gebruik 'soft lugguage'. Het so pas 3000km in 7 dae deur Suid Namibia en Noord Kaap gedoen ... 99% grond paaie. Geen probleem ervaar... baie lekker gery. Die groot ding is kry ordentlike seat. Ek het myne van Seat Concepts oorsee laat kom. Baie gelukkig daarmee.

Die seat help natuurlik nie baie as jy hard val in 'n rivier bed die eerste dag  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: LONG BOB on October 26, 2012, 02:10:13 pm
Had a comfort seat cover and foam imported from the UK . Took ten days and all cost R1200. Also had Eldor engineering make up a luggage rack with sub frame arms, loaded tent, mattress , cooler box. and luggage.  and fits brilliant. Can send pics if you want.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: 777 on October 26, 2012, 03:34:47 pm
I took my seat to an upholster in Dbn that does all the bike shops , made it lower , wider and SOFTER for just on R1 k
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: NielGS on February 11, 2013, 03:27:47 pm
I have done almost 10 000km in the 5 months I've had my bike. Im very happy with it as a "rough" tourer. i have just added the luggage racks and crash bars to the bike. the extra fuel tanks are a must! don't bother with the seat, if your ass is hurting you are riding on too much tar! If you buy one talk to Michael Stein at Dual Purpose Adventures 082 897 0220. He did my Luggage racks, Soft Bags, Sump Guard and Crash Bars.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Sat Diver on April 07, 2013, 08:02:16 am
Geez! how much weight have you packed in those bags?
They look like they can take a fare bit of weight. Have you checked the condition of your std tank mounting screw/ bolts? That tank is the only sub frame
I'm keen to know how much weight it can handle before I break it!
And I'm not at all keen on breaking it!
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: NielGS on April 08, 2013, 08:57:56 am
@ Sat Diver

The frame work for the luggage is actually attached to the bikes frame, there is not much weight on the sub frame at all. So bags can take a bit of weight i guess. The system is the same as Touratec's...

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: uncaged on April 11, 2013, 12:46:43 pm
 :happy1:
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Berg Man on April 11, 2013, 03:20:17 pm
I have done almost 10 000km in the 5 months I've had my bike. Im very happy with it as a "rough" tourer. i have just added the luggage racks and crash bars to the bike. the extra fuel tanks are a must! don't bother with the seat, if your ass is hurting you are riding on too much tar! If you buy one talk to Michael Stein at Dual Purpose Adventures 082 897 0220. He did my Luggage racks, Soft Bags, Sump Guard and Crash Bars.
That's a good looking bike
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: NielGS on April 11, 2013, 04:50:05 pm
Thanks BergMan!

Here is a front view, to see how the crash bars and luggage racks mount...
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Berg Man on April 11, 2013, 04:58:31 pm
Nice
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: sigmund freud on April 12, 2013, 11:14:40 pm
@NielGS can you give me more pics of your tale plate without luggage?
Groet Hans
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: sigmund freud on April 12, 2013, 11:24:20 pm
I'm thinking of getting a KTM 690. What are the pro's and cons for using this bike for touring? Any accessories that should be added to make it more long distance friendly?

Arie Fourie
*saffarie tank
* New Lynx Fairing for the KTM 690 from Britannia Composites
*Off Road Foot Pegs
*Soft Luggage Racks
*Garmin gps "oregon"or "GPSMAP® 62st"
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: NielGS on April 13, 2013, 08:37:53 am
Pic of the tail plate...
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 13, 2013, 09:02:34 am
Hi Neil

Are you in AUSTRALIA at the moment?

Cos' your pictures are upside down!  :biggrin:

I sell universal luggage plates, and they will fit the 690..., they are 6mm Aluminium, powder-coated, any colour.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: sigmund freud on April 13, 2013, 11:17:42 am
@zebra what is the prize for this piece of art?
Groet Hans
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 13, 2013, 11:20:49 am
@zebra what is the prize for this piece of art?
Groet Hans
R795

thanks
Chris
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: NielGS on April 15, 2013, 08:47:36 am
@Zebra

Lol! damn iPad!

this should be better...
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Roadcat on April 21, 2013, 05:55:34 pm
I'm thinking of getting a KTM 690. What are the pro's and cons for using this bike for touring? Any accessories that should be added to make it more long distance friendly?

Arie Fourie

Only just found this thread, I use my 690 for touring. Have done several longish trips, including through France down to Spain twice and several trips to France and Holland. Here's what I did to make my 690 suitable (in the order that they were done):

Replaced the crappy plastic belly pan with a decent alli one
Put on a touring screen from a 690SM
Made a little plastic screen that clips on top of the touring screen to push the wind over my helmet
Added a RAM mount for my GPS
Added a tooltube
Added a waterproof cigarette lighter for charging GPS
Added pannier racks that I bought off ebay
Completely rebuilt the saddle (surprisingly easy and cheap to do)
Ripped out the whole airbox when I discovered how much dirt it was letting through and replaced it with an S&N air-filter (bike sounds delicious now)
Added vibranators to the handlebars to cut the vibrations and make my mirrors useable
Modified the pannier rack to take soft luggage.

Current mods that are in the pipeline or on my workbench:
Building a homemade rear-rack (just need to get it powder-coated now)
Making some soft panniers to replace the alli boxes I currently use
Adding ROX anti-vibration risers to the handlebars
Building a toolbox area under the seat to fit in the gap where the airbox used to be
Probably going to try and add some rubber inserts to the footpegs to cut vibrations

I'm really happy with the bike as it currently is, the only thing missing is a longer range, but for the price of extra fuel tanks I'll just strap a 5 litre jerrycan on the back instead!

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: 777 on April 21, 2013, 08:52:59 pm
I'm thinking of getting a KTM 690. What are the pro's and cons for using this bike for touring? Any accessories that should be added to make it more long distance friendly?

Arie Fourie

Only just found this thread, I use my 690 for touring. Have done several longish trips, including through France down to Spain twice and several trips to France and Holland. Here's what I did to make my 690 suitable (in the order that they were done):

Replaced the crappy plastic belly pan with a decent alli one
Put on a touring screen from a 690SM
Made a little plastic screen that clips on top of the touring screen to push the wind over my helmet
Added a RAM mount for my GPS
Added a tooltube
Added a waterproof cigarette lighter for charging GPS
Added pannier racks that I bought off ebay
Completely rebuilt the saddle (surprisingly easy and cheap to do)
Ripped out the whole airbox when I discovered how much dirt it was letting through and replaced it with an S&N air-filter (bike sounds delicious now)
Added vibranators to the handlebars to cut the vibrations and make my mirrors useable
Modified the pannier rack to take soft luggage.

Current mods that are in the pipeline or on my workbench:
Building a homemade rear-rack (just need to get it powder-coated now)
Making some soft panniers to replace the alli boxes I currently use
Adding ROX anti-vibration risers to the handlebars
Building a toolbox area under the seat to fit in the gap where the airbox used to be
Probably going to try and add some rubber inserts to the footpegs to cut vibrations

I'm really happy with the bike as it currently is, the only thing missing is a longer range, but for the price of extra fuel tanks I'll just strap a 5 litre jerrycan on the back instead!


Nice Mods, were about did you mount your Tool tube?
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Teapot on April 21, 2013, 09:04:33 pm
I ride a Dakar. Sorry for the hijack guys.  I know its not at all like the 690 and its a BM. and after reading from you guys that its a great tourer as well then I definitely want one. My questions are.  what is it like compared to the 990? and going from a dakar. Also by the time I have the moola for one there won't be many left and now that KTM aren't making them any more. Will they still make the 690 Rally with bigger tank and rally fairing? I really like the Oryx kit.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Roadcat on April 21, 2013, 10:25:04 pm
I ride a Dakar. Sorry for the hijack guys.  I know its not at all like the 690 and its a BM. and after reading from you guys that its a great tourer as well then I definitely want one. My questions are.  what is it like compared to the 990? and going from a dakar. Also by the time I have the moola for one there won't be many left and now that KTM aren't making them any more. Will they still make the 690 Rally with bigger tank and rally fairing? I really like the Oryx kit.

The tooltube is connected to the top of the bellypan. It gets the odd stone kicked up against it, but they're really tough. I just think of it as being protection for the radiator as I've never had a stone kicked up that's connected the rad, no matter how hard I ride.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Roadcat on April 21, 2013, 10:36:16 pm
I ride a Dakar. Sorry for the hijack guys.  I know its not at all like the 690 and its a BM. and after reading from you guys that its a great tourer as well then I definitely want one. My questions are.  what is it like compared to the 990? and going from a dakar. Also by the time I have the moola for one there won't be many left and now that KTM aren't making them any more. Will they still make the 690 Rally with bigger tank and rally fairing? I really like the Oryx kit.

They're very different bikes. I've trashed a Dak because I rode it like my KTM. The Dak is a better road bike, no doubt about it, but considerably underpowered compared to the 690.

I rode a Dak in Namibia a couple of years ago just after very heavy rains, hit a big patch of soft sand from a river that broke it's banks and reacted like I was riding the 690 - threw my weight backwards and opened the throttle. On the 690 the wheel would have pointed at the sky if I did that, but on the Beemer the gearing was completely different and it just didn't have the power where I needed it. End result I high-sided the bike, stuffed up my teeth, trashed the front-end of the bike and was very, very lucky to walk away from the accident.

I'd say if you use the Dak on tarmac mostly stick with it - it's much more long distance friendly out the box than the KTM will ever be. The KTM is much more dirt orientated and as such will always be a comprimise on tar, no matter what you do. But if you want to ride dirt with a massive grin upgrade to a 690. I've owned almost 20 bikes in my life and the only 2 that I haven't changed have been an XT500 and my 690 - they both make me smile.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Teapot on April 21, 2013, 11:37:03 pm
Roadcat do you work for KTM. Haha. Because now I'm sold. Yeah no doubt the dakar is great for tar and for some gravel as well and I've gotten plenty miles of smiles. Once I get a 690 ill keep my Dakar for commuting. I just love gravel travel but I don't feel the confidence on it like I should. Also because of my lack of experience and my next cash injection is to do a course.
:thumleft:
But yes from the guys I've spoken too they reckon the KTM is the best to upgrade too.
Are they as reliable?
Besides I read that guys spend plenty to upgrade suspension etc to get there Dakars almost close to a KTM.
That rotax engine is a tank. 
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: 777 on April 22, 2013, 07:44:25 am
I ride a Dakar. Sorry for the hijack guys.  I know its not at all like the 690 and its a BM. and after reading from you guys that its a great tourer as well then I definitely want one. My questions are.  what is it like compared to the 990? and going from a dakar. Also by the time I have the moola for one there won't be many left and now that KTM aren't making them any more. Will they still make the 690 Rally with bigger tank and rally fairing? I really like the Oryx kit.

The tooltube is connected to the top of the bellypan. It gets the odd stone kicked up against it, but they're really tough. I just think of it as being protection for the radiator as I've never had a stone kicked up that's connected the rad, no matter how hard I ride.
Any chance of a pic, i put min eon the front of belly pan under header pipe but melted in min, then i put it in the side of the engine but stil not happy?
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Roadcat on April 22, 2013, 08:00:48 am
Sure, I'll snap one later for you.
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Jules on April 22, 2013, 08:28:51 am
Roadcat do you work for KTM. Haha. Because now I'm sold. Yeah no doubt the dakar is great for tar and for some gravel as well and I've gotten plenty miles of smiles. Once I get a 690 ill keep my Dakar for commuting. I just love gravel travel but I don't feel the confidence on it like I should. Also because of my lack of experience and my next cash injection is to do a course.
:thumleft:
But yes from the guys I've spoken too they reckon the KTM is the best to upgrade too.
Are they as reliable?
Besides I read that guys spend plenty to upgrade suspension etc to get there Dakars almost close to a KTM.
That rotax engine is a tank. 

The 690 is a beast!  After 2 months I'm still dumb struck by the way it accelerates! Overtaking traffic is akin to teleporting, You are doing 80, You see a gap you wind the throttle and you are doing 150!, All other singles (and most twins) are simply blown away! Add to that the fact that it weighs 140kgs and is amazingly well balanced and you have a total hooligan machine, grinding the foot pegs around corners is unavoidable, it just leans and leans and leans,

As said its not the best long distance tourer and if you plan a lot of cross country trips then stick to the Dakar but if you want to get off your bike with shaking hands and a smile that looks as if you have a coat hanger stuck in your mouth the 690 is for you!
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Teapot on April 22, 2013, 08:36:10 am
Thanks Jules for that report. I'm going to have to check yours out at the bash.
And yes its time to unleash the hooligan inside and have more fun and grin factor.
Time to start saving. Big time!!!
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Sat Diver on April 22, 2013, 09:15:17 am
Totally agree with Juls! Mine is gaining super hero status!
Now if we could just get Juls as excited about designing riding shirts.
 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Juls you should be the dude giving ride reports on bikes and trips.
You have an excellent way with words! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Jules on April 22, 2013, 09:42:55 am
Totally agree with Juls! Mine is gaining super hero status!
Now if we could just get Juls as excited about designing riding shirts.
 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Juls you should be the dude giving ride reports on bikes and trips.
You have an excellent way with words! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

 :thumleft:

Still trying to find someone who can supply proper quality MX shirts
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Sat Diver on April 22, 2013, 10:08:56 am
@ Juls Have you put up final designs yet?
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Roadcat on April 22, 2013, 04:12:41 pm
I ride a Dakar. Sorry for the hijack guys.  I know its not at all like the 690 and its a BM. and after reading from you guys that its a great tourer as well then I definitely want one. My questions are.  what is it like compared to the 990? and going from a dakar. Also by the time I have the moola for one there won't be many left and now that KTM aren't making them any more. Will they still make the 690 Rally with bigger tank and rally fairing? I really like the Oryx kit.

The tooltube is connected to the top of the bellypan. It gets the odd stone kicked up against it, but they're really tough. I just think of it as being protection for the radiator as I've never had a stone kicked up that's connected the rad, no matter how hard I ride.
Any chance of a pic, i put min eon the front of belly pan under header pipe but melted in min, then i put it in the side of the engine but stil not happy?

Here you go Triple7. 2 Pics of the tube mounted on the bellypan:

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z352/Roadcat3/IMG_1997_zps01de7934.jpg)

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z352/Roadcat3/IMG_1998_zpsf2bbce99.jpg)

Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: 777 on April 22, 2013, 04:39:25 pm
Txs I had mine in same place ,must have being higher as the pipe melted it , I must relook at that .
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Edp on April 23, 2013, 10:52:27 am
Where in good old SA can one purchase the tool tubes, thanks
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 23, 2013, 01:58:24 pm
Where in good old SA can one purchase the tool tubes, thanks

PM Andy660 on WD: he is holding the stocks for Goose.

Cheers
Chris/Flying Brick
Title: Re: KTM 690 for touring
Post by: Edp on April 23, 2013, 02:27:38 pm
Thanks, will pm him