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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:07:19 pm

Title: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:07:19 pm
why are they all so butt ugly, overbuilt and impractical looking? So far the 3 big adventure tourers from Intermot - the new BMW, KTM and Suzuki V-Strom, are all horrible to look at in my opinion. Let's not even talk about the Honda Cross-whatever...

What's going on?
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:14:29 pm
was then...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:15:22 pm
is now...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:16:45 pm
let's not even talk about this...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:17:52 pm
the new KTM is borderline ugly-as-sin / desirable-in-a-weird-way
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: sidetrack on October 02, 2012, 10:20:14 pm
Not only the big bikes, BMW/Husky did the same with the new 650 Terra terrible whatever  :(
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:23:19 pm
Not only the big bikes, BMW/Husky did the same with the new 650 Terra whatever  :(

to be fair, that's not really ugly, it's just a little boring looking compared to their more enduro models... it's nowhere near the over-the-top, anime-esque madness of some of these big guns...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:25:19 pm
blowfish...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:27:44 pm
borderline, looks better than the rest, but still a lot of angles and things that look like they'd get in the way.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Trykon on October 02, 2012, 10:28:13 pm
Don't know what you talkin' about the_wes. I find the VStrom extremely pretty, the 1200KTM beautiful, the S10 butt-ugly, etc etc.

But you said it"...all horrible to look at IN MY OPINION..."

So yes mate, its all a matter of opinion. Some will like some, and some will hate some. So to say that big adventure tourers are getting uglier and uglier, is your opinion; one that some will agree with, and some not.

So I agree; some are ugly, eish, but some are pretty darn good lookin'!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BliknÍrs on October 02, 2012, 10:29:08 pm
Beep Beep or is it just me that sees the resemblance?
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: westfrogger on October 02, 2012, 10:29:20 pm
They're becoming even-heavier road bikes. For the expanses of tar in Europe and the US.
Sigh.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2012, 10:29:33 pm
In short, less gravel and more Europeans want tar tourers. Just look at the figures there's 80milj Germans, 15 milj Dutch, ext, ext...............if only 10% ride bike, why cater for the few thousand South Africans. Even the Aussies have nothing to them. There's 300milj Americans, again if only 5% use d/s bikes it's more than Europe total. Some Germans we have met told me they sell more KTM's and BMW;s in Europe than anywhere else in the world.

It's over and done with, dual sport will never be the same.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: sidetrack on October 02, 2012, 10:31:11 pm
Not only the big bikes, BMW/Husky did the same with the new 650 Terra whatever  :(

to be fair, that's not really ugly, it's just a little boring looking compared to their more enduro models... it's nowhere near the over-the-top, anime-esque madness of some of these big guns...
but before looked much better ...

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/mordies/IMG_0554-1.jpg)

No one should view this fred before bedtime, it' sure to cause nightmares !
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:32:27 pm
So yes mate, its all a matter of opinion. Some will like some, and some will hate some.

You're right I guess... for example, I think the S10 is THE sexiest big adventure tourer (of the new models - the older 990s and 950s and the 1150GS and older 1200GS adventure are still hot).

Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:33:07 pm
but before looked much better ...

yip. Even the TE630 was hotness!

The Husky story for me is tragic on the engine front, nevermind the looks. I know why they ditched that monster motor for the Rotax mill, but I don't like the fact that they did it one little bit. Actually makes me sad inside. I need a hug.


Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: wayneh on October 02, 2012, 10:35:48 pm
blowfish...

Looks like a GS that got stung by a bee.   :eek7:

...Eish.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ahlbebuck on October 02, 2012, 10:43:44 pm
Wes, would you approve if I do this?  :mwink:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:48:35 pm
Wes, would you approve if I do this?  :mwink:

Yes, on so many levels. That's why I photochopped it. My dream "DS" bike... the heart of the Nuda with the soul of the TE series  :sip:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ahlbebuck on October 02, 2012, 10:52:19 pm
Well, watch this space.....
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 02, 2012, 10:52:56 pm
Well, watch this space.....

 :happy1:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Draad on October 03, 2012, 05:38:13 am
You do have a point and it is funny how time change...20 years ago ( when you were only 13 years old ) we never had the options we have today and not to talk about technolagy etc. We had to modify R1000 BMW's with suspension and nobbies for bigger relyable offroad cruisers, that is if you dont want to go with the old relyable ( Flexi flyer XT 500 ) What I am trying to say is ...can you amagine what those bikes ended looking like ( F@kkking lelik ) but we cruised and enjoyed. ( Will try and find some pics.

We explored and opened routes in Lesotho with modified Honda 125 with huge sprogets ( F spelling sorry ...age thing ) in the rear and smaller in front to act as small foot up bikes as we could not affort trial bikes at that stage...but we did it on those ugly bikes which we at that time thought was cooler than Elvis !!

Its not realy what they look like it's how they perform ( my opinion ).

I do agree with you though .... Nothing like an old XR or RE packed and ready for the long weekend !!! Waar is daai dae toe jy jou tenk met R1.50 vol gemaak het !!! Eisch !!!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: alanB on October 03, 2012, 07:36:39 am
Trend seems pretty clear to me.

Everyone else in this sector is trying to make their bikes look more or less like the BMW 1200 GS.

While BMW seem to be using something like the Goldwing as their inspiration - they just seem to be going bigger and heavier and more - well everything.

Not my cup of tea at all.  But obviously people must want that sort of thing given the sales figures.  You cant fight the market I suppose.

Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Fudmucker on October 03, 2012, 07:41:16 am
When Porsche struggled to sell the 944 and 924 water-cooled models in the 70's,
the then marketing manager said something like:

"Despite all our efforts in developing alternative models, customers insist on buying the 911 instead."

The 911 is still in production - updated and revised to meet emission standards.
The marketing manager doesn't work there anymore.

Critics and journalists get to ride them free - they don't actually buy them.
Perhaps that is why they make what their stupid, uninformed, tasteless customers will buy.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: DSNewbie on October 03, 2012, 07:48:03 am
Perhaps that is why they make what their stupid, uninformed, tasteless customers will buy.

So in your opinion everyone who buys one of the big adventure tourers is stupid, uninformed and tasteless  ??? or just the BMW buyers ???

It is all a matter of opinion, thank goodness for freedom of choice and options to choose from  :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Battlestar on October 03, 2012, 07:51:32 am
That new Vstrom looks great IMHO  :mwink:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Ronsard on October 03, 2012, 07:57:56 am
My opinion, they are getting big fat uselees and way to electronic and complicated!!! what happened to the system check compression spark fuel go!!!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Dwerg on October 03, 2012, 08:01:16 am
My opinion, they are getting big fat uselees and way to electronic and complicated!!! what happened to the system check compression spark fuel go!!!

Yeah not to mention travelling by horse and telegrams. Ah the good old days  :pot:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Ronsard on October 03, 2012, 08:07:24 am
My opinion, they are getting big fat uselees and way to electronic and complicated!!! what happened to the system check compression spark fuel go!!!

Yeah not to mention travelling by horse and telegrams. Ah the good old days  :pot:

 :middlefinger:


you know what i am talking about
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ETS on October 03, 2012, 08:38:30 am
My opinion, they are getting big fat uselees and way to electronic and complicated!!! what happened to the system check compression spark fuel go!!!

Yeah not to mention travelling by horse and telegrams. Ah the good old days  :pot:

 :imaposer: :laughing4: let's not forget toilet paper. And sheepskin condoms :mwink:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Ronsard on October 03, 2012, 09:08:09 am
My opinion, they are getting big fat uselees and way to electronic and complicated!!! what happened to the system check compression spark fuel go!!!

Yeah not to mention travelling by horse and telegrams. Ah the good old days  :pot:

 :imaposer: :laughing4: let's not forget toilet paper. And sheepskin condoms :mwink:

gaan vlieg in jou moer in man...hahahaha
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: sidetrack on October 03, 2012, 10:29:11 am
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Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: XTZFegen on October 03, 2012, 10:38:17 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Dwerg on October 03, 2012, 10:41:02 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 10:44:28 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

the headlights ARE pretty awesome, I'll give you that. It's all the crap around the headlights I don't like...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ETS on October 03, 2012, 10:45:33 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

WD rule no1: Find SOMETHING to moan about.............. :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Brandt on October 03, 2012, 10:47:54 am
I like the new GS  :peepwall:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 10:49:25 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

WD rule no1: Find SOMETHING to moan about.............. :peepwall: :pot:

I thought the WD rule was pick a brand, then find SOMETHING to like about it  :sip:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Garfield on October 03, 2012, 10:51:47 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

WD rule no1: Find SOMETHING to moan about.............. :peepwall: :pot:

WD rule no 2: Rule no 1 must be applied not having seen or ridden the bike, just by judging from internet photos  :pot:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 10:53:03 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

WD rule no1: Find SOMETHING to moan about.............. :peepwall: :pot:

WD rule no 2: Rule no 1 must be applied not having seen or ridden the bike, just by judging from internet photos  :pot:

I did start this thread being honest about the fact that I'm talking about LOOKS. Why can't we have awesome, modern DS bikes that don't look like they escaped from a retired Anime artists nightmares?
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Garfield on October 03, 2012, 10:56:43 am
True, but it is also apparent that some like the LOOKS and some do not, almost like not all people liking a specific artists work.
Just because you say it LOOKS ugly does not make it ugly for everyone...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Dwerg on October 03, 2012, 10:58:26 am
Well obviously its just me - but I frikkin think the new 1200 is sooooo sweet looking. So so so sweeeeet loooking...Grrrr

Not just you  ;)

The headlights are frikken awesome  :drif:

WD rule no1: Find SOMETHING to moan about.............. :peepwall: :pot:

Ok ok!

ETS dra crocs!!!

So?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 10:59:50 am
True, but it is also apparent that some like the LOOKS and some do not, almost like not all people liking a specif artists work.
Just because you say it LOOKS ugly does not make it ugly for everyone...

I also said it was my opinion, you are welcome to disagree with me, I won't hold it against you  :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Motties on October 03, 2012, 11:00:29 am
Personally I always thought one day when my kids leave school, I will get a 1200 GS for me and the missus to do long tar trips around the country. Seems I will have have lots of options by that time. 

(It is only another 17 years to go) :lol8:

Right now, I won't touch any of these fat ladies.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: motoquan on October 03, 2012, 11:07:41 am
Cannot wait to see them in the fle... metal, and THEN make a better call, but right now I really like the look of the new GS! Also looking forward to see how they modify it to bring us the new Adventure, aah yeah!

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 11:09:55 am
Also looking forward to see how they modify it to bring us the new Adventure, aah yeah!

They're going to make it fatter, and slap some crashbars and pannier brackets onto it, that's how...

Sorry I am in a stirring mood. My apologies  :imaposer:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ETS on October 03, 2012, 11:12:30 am
True, but it is also apparent that some like the LOOKS and some do not, almost like not all people liking a specif artists work.
Just because you say it LOOKS ugly does not make it ugly for everyone...

I also said it was my opinion, you are welcome to disagree with me, I won't hold it against you  :thumleft:

 :peepwall:If i said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me :imaposer: :peepwall: :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: TIMBAMAN on October 03, 2012, 11:13:41 am
I remember thinking the same thing with the 1200 Gs's release back in 2004 (can you believe nearly a decade!!) and how the 1150 is just a thing of beauty ("in my opinion") but then gradually I got used to the new look GS and now I think a GS ADV is the perfect bike in the looks dept, again my opinion, same thing with every new model Hilux bakkie! thus for now I agree but in a few years time I'm sure I'll feel different and probably a good number of fellow dogs.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 11:15:42 am
here's a photochop of what I reckon the GSA could look like...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 11:17:20 am
Oh no guys, I'm so sorry. I didn't realise what was happening and now it's too late... I'm turning into.... into.... 2 STROKE DAN!!!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Motties on October 03, 2012, 11:23:29 am
here's a photochop of what I reckon the GSA could look like...
Probably, but I guess they will make the front wheel round. ::)
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 11:30:27 am
here's a photochop of what I reckon the GSA could look like...
Probably, but I guess they will make the front wheel round. ::)

Yes, but will it stay round?
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Motties on October 03, 2012, 11:33:23 am
here's a photochop of what I reckon the GSA could look like...
Probably, but I guess they will make the front wheel round. ::)

Yes, but will it stay round?
Good point, I did not consider the weight of the beast...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: ETS on October 03, 2012, 11:33:40 am
Oh no guys, I'm so sorry. I didn't realise what was happening and now it's too late... I'm turning into.... into.... 2 STROKE DAN!!!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

Rage against the dieing light :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: XTZFegen on October 03, 2012, 12:19:28 pm
I just dont trust a mag wheel on a bike. Im not a technical expert but my gut just says mag wheels on a bike is wrong. Im a old fashioned spoke wheel man. I can see me hitting a hard rock or something and that mag joint breaking. Im not sure if its possible but when you on a bike in teh middle of nowhere and your all alone those are the types of ideas that I know will be creeping into my bloody head.

Voice 1: Fegen, dont trust the mag wheels Voice 2: Dont worry Fegen, you van trust the mag wheels, they made by BMW Voice 1: Dont listen to voice 2, the mag wheels are gong to crack and break and your going to fall on your arse and be stuck out in in teh middle of nowhere - all alone. Voice 2: Shit wheres the water bottle...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: katana on October 03, 2012, 12:27:41 pm
Cannot wait to see them in the fle... metal Plastic, and THEN make a better call, but right now I really like the look of the new GS! Also looking forward to see how they modify it to bring us the new Adventure, aah yeah!

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Ronsard on October 03, 2012, 12:30:43 pm
Oh no guys, I'm so sorry. I didn't realise what was happening and now it's too late... I'm turning into.... into.... 2 STROKE DAN!!!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

i made peace with the fact that he is my new role model!!

the man knows the way
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: tonys on October 03, 2012, 12:32:04 pm
Geez, do you guys actually ride the bikes or just look at 'em.  :pot:

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 12:36:45 pm
Geez, do you guys actually ride the bikes or just look at 'em.  :pot:

 :peepwall:

I won't ride it, for fear someone sees me on it. I have an image to uphold, you know  :deal:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BOER! on October 03, 2012, 12:53:33 pm
I like your Yabba dabba doo flintstone style front wheel WES.

The GS Adventure is going to be even more awesome than the 1200GS.  Bring it on.

Only reason why you guys are bitching about heavy bike are because you are too weak to pick them up.  It takes a man to ride the thing.

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Boertjie on October 03, 2012, 01:17:54 pm
.

I am currently an owner of a 2006 1200 GS... but this thing to mee is really ugly. There are just too many sharp angles on... well... everywhere. That duck bill with the split tongue is really bad, then the lines on the tank... and the front cover sticking out forward... and the exhaust...

No man, this is rediculous.

Must agree with The_Wes
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: alanB on October 03, 2012, 01:36:59 pm

Only reason why you guys are bitching about heavy bike are because you are too weak to pick them up.  It takes a man to ride the thing.

 :peepwall:

Oh so THATS why they are making these things so heavy - so the riders can prove to others that they are REAL MEN  :biggrin:

You mean its like at the gym where the big muscle bound guys have to make those loud funny grunts and drop their weights on the floor a lot?  :biggrin:

Sorry couldnt resist  :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 01:42:17 pm
I picked up a Goldwing the other day... does that make me a real man?  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Ronsard on October 03, 2012, 01:54:34 pm
I picked up a Goldwing the other day... does that make me a real man?  :spitcoffee:

according to the general big bike population yes it does. why don't i just buy a massive truck to commute in. harder to park but proves that i am a real man!!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Rough Rider on October 03, 2012, 02:07:30 pm
It is because they are not fish or meat  >:D
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 02:18:48 pm
Quote
Know what thereís not enough of these days? Large-capacity adventure tourers that are so heavy and so expensive you canít take them within sight of dirt.

quoted from here: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/10/suzukis-bringing-back-the-v-strom-1000/
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Gťrrard on October 03, 2012, 02:38:31 pm
By choice, and after having had the experience, I moved from the big adventure tourers to the 650 class. I'm a more content biker, but it remains a personal choice.

There is place in my life for a big bike again one day. Now I just want something I can play and tour with.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: roxenz on October 03, 2012, 02:55:36 pm
I'm with Jupiter's sentiment, only adding that I also commute on my bike every day.  So far, the only time that I've found the 650 class lacking is when there's a few 100 kms of highway to be gotten under the belt.  So I just try and avoid long highway stretches.

As for the beauty of it, I also feel that most of today's bikes look like rejects from a Transformer movie...
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: DeepBass9 on October 03, 2012, 03:17:07 pm
In the 'Strom's favour is it will be about 10-20kg less porky than the opposition.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: cloudgazer on October 03, 2012, 03:25:00 pm
I concur with everything Wes has said.
 :thumleft:

EDIT: except for the bit about Huskies. Never seen the appeal in any of em.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Rough Rider on October 03, 2012, 03:31:02 pm
By choice, and after having had the experience, I moved from the big adventure tourers to the 650 class. I'm a more content biker, but it remains a personal choice.

There is place in my life for a big bike again one day. Now I just want something I can play and tour with.

I did the same thing, sold the big heavy adventure bike and went to the 650 class, only I went to a 1000cc superbike in between (big mistake).
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: J-dog on October 03, 2012, 03:32:29 pm
I also think more needs to be said about the risk that the bigger bikes create for the average rider. Take the latest KTM with top speed of around 230 km/ph and 150 hp. The bikes are faster, heavier and more difficult to stop due to speed and momentum. Often first time buyers are the least experienced and buy the bigger bikes because chicks dig it  :laughing4:

I have often switched back and forth between the 690 and 990 during rides with mates, and, getting back onto the 950, have been amazed at how much more difficult it is to slow down with the extra weight and speed.

I'm sure 20 years ago, we didn't see the scores of fatal accidents we have today due to, inter alia, these factors.

It's easy to ride a 990 at 200 km/ph because it gets there effortlessly and it's stable. And very easy to die as well. On most singles, above 140 is a mission, and the inertia is much lower, hence all around safer.

The 1190 which has just come out, had a super bike engine FFS.

Still want one though  :laughing4:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: White Rhino on October 03, 2012, 03:45:00 pm
J-Dog agree 100%

I don't get the need to increase the speed - there was plenty of oomph in the GS and GSA - certainly more than one can handle in offroad conditions ....

maybe there's a new market .... adapting it for the Autobaan :laughing4:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Geotraveller on October 03, 2012, 03:45:26 pm
I picked up a Goldwing the other day... does that make me a real man?  :spitcoffee:

I dont have to pick up a heavy bike, I have my wife's permission to say I am a MAN!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BryanOC6 on October 03, 2012, 03:50:06 pm
I picked up a Goldwing the other day... does that make me a real man?  :spitcoffee:

I dont have to pick up a heavy bike, I have my wife's permission to say I am a MAN!

How do you prove you a man , if you never drop the bike??  :peepwall:

Waiting in anticipation for the new GSA look? Going to be interesting !! I like this new look, speed wise does not need more speed other wise I would go get one of those moron pocket rockets !
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 03, 2012, 07:06:33 pm
Ironic how often I have heard bikers criticising the car "SUV in town brigade", X3/5, ML's, etc, cannot do 4x4, but has 4WD :mwink:, now my point is that these obese class tourers are like these SUV's, cannot take them anywhere worth going. The porkers are really just kak things, but if you see how well they sell, then the porkers are drooled over machines!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Boertjie on October 03, 2012, 07:39:47 pm
By choice, and after having had the experience, I moved from the big adventure tourers to the 650 class. I'm a more content biker, but it remains a personal choice.

There is place in my life for a big bike again one day. Now I just want something I can play and tour with.

I did the same thing, sold the big heavy adventure bike and went to the 650 class, only I went to a 1000cc superbike in between (big mistake).

I'm also wondering whether the answer is not to go smaller and lighterfor the ddily commute and occasional play. The idea is then to get the wife her own smallish ride... maybe a 250.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BrandsiekBrak on October 03, 2012, 08:45:34 pm
I don't know guys....the big tourers all look great to me! I love looking at my Big Bulky BMW GSA, everyday I seem to fall in love with it again.

Yes, these bikes have many roundings, sticking-out-parts, sharp corners etc...but I think it big draw point is the images of freedom, open roads and distant off places that pop into my head whenever I look at my own and other big touring bikes. There is always a memory (current or future) that lingers in my mind's eye after seeing my bike daily. That spur of the moment run, that gravel road I took on my way somewhere and ending up late where I was suppose to be, that day in the rain, that mud soaked trip..... see where I am going

Point that I am trying to make, is this...all of these bikes are beautiful to me due to the idea behind them. They need to have those outlandish looks, because that is what makes you and other people look twice and also recognise them instantly. Everyone knows which bike is which in the tourer range, and they fill everyone else with envy and lust for adventure.

Personally, if I wanted practical bike design and curves I would have bought a road bike. They all seem to look the same and sound the same, regardless of which one you have. (generalising now, but sure you get the idea)
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BOER! on October 03, 2012, 08:54:53 pm

Only reason why you guys are bitching about heavy bike are because you are too weak to pick them up.  It takes a man to ride the thing.

 :peepwall:

Oh so THATS why they are making these things so heavy - so the riders can prove to others that they are REAL MEN  :biggrin:

You mean its like at the gym where the big muscle bound guys have to make those loud funny grunts and drop their weights on the floor a lot?  :biggrin:

Sorry couldnt resist  :thumleft:

Touche.  :thumleft:

In your case:  If it's too heavy, You"re too old.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: KiLRoy on October 03, 2012, 09:02:18 pm
What makes a man Lebowski....
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BliknÍrs on October 03, 2012, 09:07:28 pm
I don't know guys....the big tourers all look great to me! I love looking at my Big Bulky BMW GSA, everyday I seem to fall in love with it again.

Yes, these bikes have many roundings, sticking-out-parts, sharp corners etc...but I think it big draw point is the images of freedom, open roads and distant off places that pop into my head whenever I look at my own and other big touring bikes. There is always a memory (current or future) that lingers in my mind's eye after seeing my bike daily. That spur of the moment run, that gravel road I took on my way somewhere and ending up late where I was suppose to be, that day in the rain, that mud soaked trip..... see where I am going

Point that I am trying to make, is this...all of these bikes are beautiful to me due to the idea behind them. They need to have those outlandish looks, because that is what makes you and other people look twice and also recognise them instantly. Everyone knows which bike is which in the tourer range, and they fill everyone else with envy and lust for adventure.

Personally, if I wanted practical bike design and curves I would have bought a road bike. They all seem to look the same and sound the same, regardless of which one you have. (generalising now, but sure you get the idea)
Give that man a Bells - it's what I wanted to say, only better.
Coming back to the looks - the bikes are maybe overweight and boring but so am I. I wouldn't consider anything else because these bikes takes me where I want to be without fuss, so I don't care what they look like, and neither do my wife and that's a good thing.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 09:14:15 pm
but I think it big draw point is the images of freedom, open roads and distant off places that pop into my head whenever I look at my own and other big touring bikes. There is always a memory (current or future) that lingers in my mind's eye after seeing my bike daily. That spur of the moment run, that gravel road I took on my way somewhere and ending up late where I was suppose to be, that day in the rain, that mud soaked trip..... see where I am going

The flip side of that, is that many people out there are swindled into believing that only these big, expensive touring bikes will give them that sense of adventure. Marketing, baby. I remember walking into a BMW dealership once and chatting to a regular (when I had the Dakar) and he said "when you upgrading to a 1200GS?". Err, and what's wrong with my Dakar then?

But please don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against big DS bikes... I'm just looking at the current design trends and wondering what the designers have been smoking  :pot: I've always loved the big GSA for how damn functional it looks from a design point of view. But it seems these bikes just look weird and futuristic. I just see a whole lot of things on the new Beemer that'd make me scared to touch it, for fear it breaks off and costs me my life savings to replace.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: adv on October 03, 2012, 09:17:05 pm
but I think it big draw point is the images of freedom, open roads and distant off places that pop into my head whenever I look at my own and other big touring bikes. There is always a memory (current or future) that lingers in my mind's eye after seeing my bike daily. That spur of the moment run, that gravel road I took on my way somewhere and ending up late where I was suppose to be, that day in the rain, that mud soaked trip..... see where I am going

The flip side of that, is that many people out there are swindled into believing that only these big, expensive touring bikes will give them that sense of adventure. Marketing, baby. I remember walking into a BMW dealership once and chatting to a regular (when I had the Dakar) and he said "when you upgrading to a 1200GS?". Err, and what's wrong with my Dakar then?

But please don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against big DS bikes... I'm just looking at the current design trends and wondering what the designers have been smoking  :pot:

Its too small, slow and ugly. Oh besides that, the 1200Gs makes us more money when you service it.

on a more serious note, its not the bike you are on that makes it an adventure.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: the_wes on October 03, 2012, 09:17:49 pm
on a more serious note, its not the bike you are on that makes it an adventure.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Pistonpete on October 03, 2012, 09:33:52 pm
Its about the bike.
Always has been and always will be.

Otherwise we would ALL be on generic Chinese scooters and loving it!
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: alanB on October 03, 2012, 09:47:27 pm

Only reason why you guys are bitching about heavy bike are because you are too weak to pick them up.  It takes a man to ride the thing.

 :peepwall:

Oh so THATS why they are making these things so heavy - so the riders can prove to others that they are REAL MEN  :biggrin:

You mean its like at the gym where the big muscle bound guys have to make those loud funny grunts and drop their weights on the floor a lot?  :biggrin:

Sorry couldnt resist  :thumleft:

Touche.  :thumleft:

In your case:  If it's too heavy, You"re too old.  :biggrin:

No actually if its too heavy, its just badly designed as far as I'm concerned - thats why I ride a Husky 610  :ricky:

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.. and they fill everyone else with envy ....

Hmm, not everyone.   :patch: 

Some of us actually dont like these big bikes at all.  But thats OK, you probably wouldnt like my bike either :thumleft:

But to get back on track, the real issue is that BMW have been very successful with the 1200 range and many other OEM's are trying to muscle in on that market which is creating this rash of "me too" look alikes.  Just a pity the original 1200 wasnt exactly a thing of beauty to start with - in comparison to the Bennelli say.

(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20B/Benelli%20Tre-K%201130%20Amazonas.jpg)
   
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Hinksding on October 03, 2012, 10:44:22 pm
The Benelli look quite schweet! Wish I could mention the same about the army tank, sorry, I mean the GS.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BrandsiekBrak on October 04, 2012, 08:49:33 am
Many opinions I see...

What does impress me though, is how we all will live and die by our bike choices!

Well done guys!

At the end, for every "ugly" design, there will be fans
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: BliknÍrs on October 04, 2012, 05:44:39 pm
Some don't buy bikes for their looks.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 04, 2012, 06:43:22 pm
The one very big advantage that a large pottohippomus d/s bike has over a small one is how it brings adventure closer. You have to drive quite far often to find difficult terrain on a small D/S bike, on these biggies a mere dirtroad is dangerous.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Brandt on October 04, 2012, 06:49:39 pm
The one very big advantage that a large pottohippomus d/s bike has over a small one is how it brings adventure closer. You have to drive quite far often to find difficult terrain on a small D/S bike, on these biggies a mere dirtroad is dangerous.
:imaposer:] I must agree on this!
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Garfield on October 04, 2012, 06:53:32 pm
The one very big advantage that a large pottohippomus d/s bike has over a small one is how it brings adventure closer. You have to drive quite far often to find difficult terrain on a small D/S bike, on these biggies a mere dirtroad is dangerous.

 :laughing4: die beste een van jou af in 'n lang tyd Danie  :thumleft:

Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Rags on October 05, 2012, 02:55:43 am
I like the look of the new GS. It looks so space age :D But for 'off' road adventures no thanks. But its better than a Goldwing or something for tar adventures.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: KiLRoy on October 08, 2012, 10:56:51 pm
The writings on the wall, the ST, Tiger, Guzzi, ST, CT, BM and KTM.  All going the 'fat, spoiled, high maintenance Tygervalley bitch' direction.

Time to take stock of who we are and where we're going. This direction is not d/s riding in my mind any more?

Back to basic?  I'll be making some changes, the writing's on the wall ..
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: Brandt on October 09, 2012, 08:18:23 am
Just remember, these big bikes are made for with the idea that there will be a pillion involved and it is more for touring than adventure. If you want to do an adventure that is more off-road like Angola buy an 800 or smaller. Only my 2c. These big bikes are fine for most of our gravel roads.
Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: KiLRoy on October 09, 2012, 08:35:51 am
The fat bike d/s market is actually becoming the old sport touring market - laced with a bit of gravel for SA circumstances.

Title: Re: What's happening to big adventure tourers?
Post by: J-dog on October 09, 2012, 08:53:33 am
Stop bitching about Europeans. 95% of WD's only do gravel roads as well  :peepwall: