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Title: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JonW on October 25, 2012, 10:16:05 am
Ok so we have recently had the Wild Dog Bash at Snow Valley and the BMW Eco Challenge at Clocolan Some WD's were lucky enough to attend both, some attended either the WD Bash or the Eco Challenge and many weren't able to get to either.

Please let us know:

Why you chose to attend one rather than the other;

If you attended both, which aspects of each event you preferred;

If you chose not to attend either, what would make you want to ensure you are there next year;

How you think the organizers of either event could improve the event.

Please just give your honest experiences and opinions here, this thread is not intended as a brand bashing exercise, but rather as a way to assist us Wild Dogs mods to understand how a BMW event can attract 600 plus people, while our event can't get much over the 220 mark.

Not that we necessarily want 1000 people at a Bash, but it would be interesting to know.

Fire away  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gérrard on October 25, 2012, 10:49:45 am
I was at the Bash. Everything I wanted for the weekend away was there.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 11:03:37 am
I don't know if I can add much. Never been to an Eco but have been to a lot of bashes.

Sometimes I get the impression that the powers that be want to make the National Bash as "rof" as possible. Now I don't mind roughing it. I've done plenty of that. But a national bash might be the wrong place to try and "prove" how tough we are. A bash is a party where friends meet and having good facilities and ablutions should not be seen as a sign of weakness.

Just talking in general here - I have not been to the last three National Bashes so I have no first hand experience of what the facilities were like.

I do remember though that with the bash, I think it was in the free state somewhere, where there was basically nothing there, Piston Pete or LGF or someone summed it up nicely when they said: "I'm not going to ride a 1000km in a day to go shit in a hole." :D
The Eco could be reached as rof or as easily as the rider wanted? And no-one prescribed or cared?

Rough Rides should be rough and parties should be parties. If I want to do a rough tour I'll do that. The bash is about partying. If the venue happens to be at a place I want to tour that will work for me. That might happen in future. Especially if it's in the Lowveld. But for me touring is touring and bashing is partying.

The EC Bash and Breede Bash are events I will always frequent. Watty and Jupiter at the EC Bash took the organization to a whole new level. The venues are GREAT riding areas, the food is top notch and the facilities great. So you don't have to worry about the small stuff when you go, you can just go and party.

With Drinks on the Breede it's the same thing. No-one cares if you come with a self build bike via a 1000km twee-spoor or if you pop in with your car the evening of the party. It's not a toughness pissing contest it's a PARTY!!! And a very lekker one at that. 8)

To me a bash is a bash is a bash. There is no distinction between them and one being called the "national" bash is not above the others. Anyone form anywhere in SA can attend any bash not so?  The best ones will attract the numbers en flourish.

Lastly - Have a "national" bash in the Western Cape and see the numbers swell. Why? Because people go to events thats attractive to attend. Almost all WC WD's will be there (which is already more than your last number) and a fair amount of WD's from the rest of the country will also make a plan to attend. People from up country like to visit the Cape and do so regularly.

Have a "national" bash in the Transvaal somewhere and see how little WC WD's attend, very few? Capies don't holiday there. :D Dislike that fact, criticize that fact, call it f-up. Cool. Won't change the fact though. ;D I certainly won't ride to the Transvaal for a bash with the established good-value alternatives I have around here at the moment.

Not sure this helps. It's merely ramblings and thinking out loud. :biggrin: Dismiss the BS and take what you can use if any.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 25, 2012, 11:05:44 am
BMW markets the ECO directly at the client - e-mails them directly (I get the mails too), so I suspect they get a higher "hit-rate"?

Perhaps the income range of the BMW riders is higher too perhaps, which allows more freedom? Older members maybe with more time available?

WD is limited to, well, WD's by & large?
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: da PEEG on October 25, 2012, 11:27:16 am
I attended both the Nationa Bash at Snow Valley as well as the BMW GS ECO.

Both were absolute jol's of note !!!

Remember that the focus of the two events are certainly very different (and purposely so). 

What I liked about the WD Bash was the freedom;  however, I was a bit worried about riding the local roads with 100's of dogs riding up and down in different directions(saw a few near misses where guys did not stick to the "left-track" when approaching a blind rise).
In contrast, the ECO routes were:
- pre-determined (and negotiated with local farmers to allow us onto their farmland through their gates, etc.)
- graded according to levels of difficulty
- circulated well in advance so that you could plan ahead
- tackled in one direction (thus averting bikes rushing around in all directions causing a hazard to each other in the process).

For me, it's more about the local rides than the actual jol/party. I really enjoyed the quality of the entertainment at the BMW GS ECO(Clint & Co. as well as Ghapi, what an AWESOME ROCK SINGER/Drummer!!!)

I will definitely be attending more of both formats in the futer (finances depending  :eek7: )
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Sithe on October 25, 2012, 11:36:26 am
My wife likes to ride with when I go to nice events

I have no worries taking her to the BM ECO  :thumleft:

I wouldn't be too comfortable taking her to a WD bash  :pot:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 11:42:29 am

I wouldn't be too comfortable taking her to a WD bash  :pot:


As Michnus once said: "Some bashes are merely a stripper away from being a Rally" :D

The EC Bash has a good wholesome reputation though.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Snafu on October 25, 2012, 11:44:42 am
Trailrider, you should attend a bash. Excellent facilities and food. Awesome bash!!
BUT, maybe because you werent there :P
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 11:46:05 am
Trailrider, you should attend a bash. Excellent facilities and food. Awesome bash!!
BUT, maybe because you werent there :P

Like I said...
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ETS on October 25, 2012, 11:47:55 am
KTM Hooligans would f@ck up an ECO Challenge :pot:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 12:01:54 pm
Snafu I was just talking in general.

If you want numbers to swell you need to remove obstacles that will keep people from attending.

Things like access, facilities, cost, distance. etc.

The higher the cost, the less the participants. Lower cost = bigger potential market.

I understand the need to try and cater for everybody, but the truth is the bulk of the members are in Gauteng and CT and they are 1000km+ apart. Keeping it somewhere in the middle sounds like a good idea, but that also makes it far for everybody. Moving away from your client base does not encourage large scale participation. I think the moment you go further than say 500km from you market % take up will be low purely out of a practical point of view. It's easy to do a weekend trip to a venue <500km from where you live. If I have to ride 1000km it most likely a 2 day trip + 2 days at the bash + 2 days back. Lot more people can take a weekend off than a week.

This is not criticism on any recent Nat bash. I wasn't even there so how would I know?

The question on better participation was asked and I am merely touching on some points that might be valid.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 12:10:05 pm
The other side of the coin is, do you want to go much over the currant 200 mark? That's pretty big already.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JonW on October 25, 2012, 12:11:12 pm
Thanks for everyone's input so far  :thumleft:

The question about better participation was just me wondering why the Eco Challenge attracted more entries, was not meant as the focal point of the thread.

I am more interested in what people wanted to see happening at Bashes in future, in what respects was the BMW event more or less enjoyable than a Wild Dog bash?  
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gérrard on October 25, 2012, 12:13:16 pm

I wouldn't be too comfortable taking her to a WD bash  :pot:


As Michnus once said: "Some bashes are merely a stripper away from being a Rally" :D

The EC Bash has a good wholesome reputation though.

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on October 25, 2012, 12:14:38 pm
Leave it as it is.
A WD bash is a party like TR said and I hope it remains so.
If you have the money to go to both good for you. I have done a BM challenge in 2007 but
enjoy the WD bashers more.
More than 200 you want? Why? I do not even get to meet 5% of the 200!!!!!!

I like the priceing of the WD bashes too for what you get.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: IceCreamMan on October 25, 2012, 12:17:13 pm
i dont own a bmw  :biggrin:  and like warm mieles ...and i suspect the bash: its a klomp cheaper too....

the WD bash is just my kinda vibe ....music, beer , motobikes .....  

i guess at the eco they talk of noggins and cucumber sandwiches and mebbe the excessive consumption of beer is frowned upon ...like those guys drinking beer in the street like KLR owners.... (gs challenge in carnavon iirc)

one thing , the bashes have not been overly rough imho....those i been to been piele..........

and the locations been awesome too
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gérrard on October 25, 2012, 12:18:01 pm
I attend bashes to socialise and park my bike when I get there. My wife and I are very easy to please bikers. We want :

- A nice ride there and back
- Piece of grass to camp
- A lekker kuierplek
- Decent ablutions and hot water
- Food
- Coffee
- Cold beer

That's it about... and we'll enjoy our Bash, like we did at Snowvalley.  :3some:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Veldbrand on October 25, 2012, 12:18:55 pm
Never been to an Eco.
I think it's probably because I have a pre conceived idea that it's more like a very orderly Germanic like choir boy version and a prissy motorcyclist gathering rather than a dik dirty dusty off-road biker jol with the freedom to take your own route there and around there and be yourself.
Never been one for too many rules and lipstick myself.
Different strokes and all that.

As for the facilities at the Snow Valley bash, I don't think we lacked anything and it was clean, serviced and we don't need more than that.

Just also remember the difference in target market and fees charged for these events. WD makes NO money out of this deal and only covers the cost of organising bashes and in fact some souls do a shit load of work and put in a lot of effort for the love of our community and sport. This often also costs money. I don't know what the Eco people make out of their event or not but obviously a certain brand benefits from the exposure and they are obviously sponsors for the event as well.
Yes it would be nice to have hip cool bands and dancing girls at the bashes but again these things cost money.
I also think the average meerkat club type is of a different LSM than the average WD and probably has more time (read money) to play with. Good for them.
We get their hand me downs a few years later at more realistic prices so they should buy, buy, buy!

As for the endless debate about who's prepared to do what distance to get a bash, well win some lose some.
It is never held in the same area and we have such an incredible variety of riding areas in this country that I fail to see why people would shoot down certain areas  because of distances.  I sure as hell would love to see so many more places but can't afford to get to all the regional bashes as well as the national all the time.
That begs another question, aren't there just too many events/bashes/rallies/parties to attend as it is?
But it would be fantastic to see 600 WD’s attend a national one day.
 
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ETS on October 25, 2012, 12:19:42 pm
Bash is alot af pals meeting- not necessarily for the ride. Eco is about riding?
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: iamgigglz on October 25, 2012, 12:23:51 pm
I attend bashes to socialise and park my bike when I get there. My wife and I are very easy to please bikers. We want :

- A nice ride there and back
- Piece of grass to camp
- A lekker kuierplek
- Decent ablutions and hot water
- Food
- Coffee
- Cold beer

That's it about... and we'll enjoy our Bash, like we did at Snowvalley.  :3some:

Perfect.

I understand the need to try and cater for everybody, but the truth is the bulk of the members are in Gauteng and CT and they are 1000km+ apart. Keeping it somewhere in the middle sounds like a good idea, but that also makes it far for everybody. Moving away from your client base does not encourage large scale participation. I think the moment you go further than say 500km from you market % take up will be low purely out of a practical point of view. It's easy to do a weekend trip to a venue <500km from where you live. If I have to ride 1000km it most likely a 2 day trip + 2 days at the bash + 2 days back. Lot more people can take a weekend off than a week.

This is why I didn't attend the last national bash. Even though it was planted on a long weekend, the distance was still a bit much to make it worthwhile.

I haven't been to any bash/eco/rally...but I would want max 500km each way, beers available on site at reasonable prices, decent ablutions, and an open & honest declaration of what kind of atmosphere to expect (rally/party/piss-up or quiet fishing/chilled social...).
I would be willing t pay more than the asking price of the last bash if it means better facilities.

The braai pack idea for the last bash was a good one; not sure how it worked out in the end.

I've warned my employer about next year's bash already; just waiting for a date so I can apply for leave  :deal:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: lamo on October 25, 2012, 12:35:41 pm
all i can say is David and coetzee put on an amazing Eco challenge , if you haven't been to a Eco , put it on your bucket list
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JonW on October 25, 2012, 12:45:29 pm
all i can say is David and coetzee put on an amazing Eco challenge , if you haven't been to a Eco , put it on your bucket list

Why was this?

Is the Wild Dog Bash on your bucket list?
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 25, 2012, 12:57:43 pm

As for the endless debate about who's prepared to do what distance to get a bash, well win some lose some.

That begs another question, aren't there just too many events/bashes/rallies/parties to attend as it is?
 

Is the "national" bash any different from the others? What's different apart from the name and an "official" invite for all to attend? In reality all can attend all bashes. I could attend the NW bash if I wanted too, not?

I don't moan on a bash thread about the distance. There are many bashes to go to and I chose the ones that fit me. I also can't go to all, but two a year is enough for me to touch base.

Someone said somewhere the next Nat. Bash will be in the Cape somewhere?
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Snafu on October 25, 2012, 12:59:37 pm
The WD bash is about the ride there and back, where the ECO is about the rides they offer.

I prefer the WD bash, since i have time to recover from my babbie :)

Or to make everyone happy, the WD bash is for the cheap skate ECO wannabe's :)
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ktmmer on October 25, 2012, 12:59:55 pm
I dont like cucumber so please leave the bashes as is.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: lamo on October 25, 2012, 01:02:11 pm
its on my list , wasn't able to go this year but im there next year for sure
any reason to ride my bike with my mates
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on October 25, 2012, 01:02:27 pm
The WD bash is about the ride there and back, where the ECO is about the rides they offer.

I prefer the WD bash, since i have time to recover from my babbie :)

Or to make everyone happy, the WD bash is for the cheap skate ECO wannabe's :)
Net so Snafu. :deal:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Dwerg on October 25, 2012, 01:04:02 pm
The WD bash is about the ride there and back, where the ECO is about the rides they offer.

 :thumleft:

Juis hoekom ek 'n bash verkies. Ek kan enige tyd bike ry maar ek kan nie enige tyd so lekker kuier soos by 'n bash nie :deal:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Nimmo on October 25, 2012, 01:07:20 pm
To each its own:

The BASH for me is getting there (doing a trip though unknown roads) and mingling with the keyboard people who inevitably become your friends, people you know...
The guys that want to hit the sauce do so, the others don't, but your are part of something bigger...

The ECO (first time this year) is about riding the routes and testing your abilities, strangely the guys I hanged out with were all dogs  :patch:
They made my ECO and the effort with setting up the routes were much appreciated.

Why want 2 similar events?  

I did enjoy both and have made up my mind to both again next year  :thumleft:  
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JVR on October 25, 2012, 01:10:48 pm
It is two different concepts.
We left for the ECo om the Wednesday and did gravel to Clocolan. Thursday we did a green route before we registered.Friday we did a Orange and on Saturday we did the other two Orange routes.
Late afternoon you get to the site have a few cold ones a nice meal,talk kak to a couple of buddies,watch the rugby or listen to Clint and co all for R 800.
Did a few bashes which was also nice,but there it was more about the "kuier" with fellow WD's.
The ECo happens once a year where as there are about four to five bashes a year,and then the national one.
So cost and time is also playing a roll.  
 

Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: White Rhino on October 25, 2012, 01:29:44 pm
The ECO event targets a captive market ... existing owners of a large biking brand - that's where they get the numbers from. What is rather interesting is that most of the atendees were not WD members - well not visibly anyway. So there's still a huge troop of riders out there, many of them very capable off road riders as demonstrated by the participants in the skills challenge and those that did the more challenging routes.

Contrary to popular belief, there's no profit taking. I spoke to some of the organisers, BMW had to cough as well - but then again they get the branding and time on the stage. The various BMW clubs are the chief organisers behind the event with help from people like Coetzee, Paulie, friends and locals. Multiple routes were scouted out in advance (9 in total - 3 Green, 3 Orange, 1 Red and 2 Tar) and some technical areas rechecked before the event for people to enjoy over the two days.

The WD bashes are good social get togethers, in interesting locations. Facilites are good enough.
If we could include a few routes (diferent skills levels) and throw in some live entertainment for a few bob extra, add one extra day, it could make the event very enticing.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: bud500 on October 25, 2012, 01:44:05 pm
I have been to a few Bashes and like them just as they are. Can't comment on the Eco, but I attended a Rally Raid when it was still done by KTM and it turned out the same as a Bash, leka ride on the way there, attempted a route, got lost, got pissed, recovered and leka ride back home.

Biggest difference is at a Bash you "know" some online personalities.

Once I attended a HOG gathering in Colesburg...by accident.... Seemed like a lot of attendees there as well, although a lot more trailers....
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: mountainboy on October 25, 2012, 01:50:10 pm
Lastly - Have a "national" bash in the Western Cape and see the numbers swell. Why? Because people go to events thats attractive to attend. Almost all WC WD's will be there (which is already more than your last number) and a fair amount of WD's from the rest of the country will also make a plan to attend. People from up country like to visit the Cape and do so regularly.

Have a "national" bash in the Transvaal somewhere and see how little WC WD's attend, very few? Capies don't holiday there. :D Dislike that fact, criticize that fact, call it f-up. Cool. Won't change the fact though. ;D I certainly won't ride to the Transvaal for a bash with the established good-value alternatives I have around here at the moment.

Not sure this helps. It's merely ramblings and thinking out loud. :biggrin: Dismiss the BS and take what you can use if any.

freakin racist!!!

racccciiiissssttttttttttttt!!!
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ButchH on October 25, 2012, 01:55:18 pm
I did two bashes NW bash and helped with the FS bash. NW Bash is the bench mark. Lots goes into planning a bash and not everyone can be accommodated .Everyone has a different expectation if you want five star don’t attend a bash because you will find something to bitch about. I do prefer the more informal gathering like the long drop gathering we held at Draadkars place in Geluksburg a repeat of this will be held for New Year’s. At the informal gatherings there is live entertainment and at least a big sheep on the spit and those who want to get frot can do so in a safe environment. Whilst we have WD attending the Informal’s we don’t promote any forum, brand or club. So no Eco or bash (with the exception of the NW bash) but if any of the attendees who support what we are doing yes we will reciprocate if possible at the very least we will support them on the forum.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Welsh on October 25, 2012, 01:58:21 pm
For me the bashes are to go meet old friends, do a hard ride there, take the keys out and switch off, I do not go to a bash to ride whilest there I go to meet 8)
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Stoetbul on October 25, 2012, 02:16:06 pm
Manne, ek skryf Afrikaans die keer............ Seeing that everyone is doing it in Eng.
Wat staan uit van die Bashes:
1. Die befarkte paaie soontoe en terug. Soms met 'n Trailer, soms sonder 'n trailer.(COST'S) :3some:
2. Ek drink en rook en hou van vleis, so vir my is die Bashes sommer bitter bedonnerd want baie manne/dames gooi 'n doppie en tjoppie saam met my en die wat nie drink nie kom ook altyd hallo se'.
3. Vriende.......... Ek het in die laaste klompie jare vriende gemaak hier wat ek sal saamvat oorlog toe.
4. Nog nooit was ek al op 'n bash waar die ablusie nie voldoende was nie. As ek nie kon stort nie het ek sommer geswem by die waar rivier/dam naby was.
5. Die kak praat........ Ek ruil dit vir niks
6. Die lag........... Dit gebeur onophoudelik en soms ten koste van myself.
7. Kontakte wat gemaak word het my al gereeld uitgehelp.
8. Die koste van hierdie Bashes het my sak nog altyd gepas al moes ek sny a.g.v sommige afstande op die drank inname. :peepwall: 8)
9. Die organisasie van die Bashes was nog altyd PUIK, hoe minder reels hoe beter soos Veldtie gese' het pas my ook. Was lank genoeg op skool/Varsity

Dis my eerlike opinie en ek sal soveel moontlik in die toekoms ook bywoon. Sou graag die Eco ook wou doen maar hulle gattie my fiets daar like nie, maar ons groep is deel van Donford Motorrad so dalk kry ek dit reg om 'n bike by hulle te skollie en self te gaan ervaar hoe dit is. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on October 25, 2012, 02:22:26 pm
Goeie post Stoetie maar iets klop nie.
Ek kan glo jy was op skool maar varsity?!!!!!!! :mwink: :imaposer:

Trek sommer jou been mater :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Stoetbul on October 25, 2012, 02:26:25 pm
Goeie post Stoetie maar iets klop nie.
Ek kan glo jy was op skool maar varsity?!!!!!!! :mwink: :imaposer:

Trek sommer jou been mater :thumleft:
Sport Sielkunde my pappa, pasop nou! Die dat ek 'n man so gou kan opsom. :3some: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gee S on October 25, 2012, 02:30:54 pm
I attended both and each was a 1st for me.
The National Bash was more or less what I expected it to be and I would keep the format the same.
For me the trip down to the bash and back was more about the ride and we had six days to do it in. I do not party very hard and if I did not go on a ride the days would have been very long and boring. The camping area was very nice and the ablution blocks were clean and always had hot water. The braai packs and bykosse was very good and most could not finish all the meat in one sitting. The big barn where everything happened was also a winner in the cold and rainy conditions we experienced. I heard a lot of people complaining about the breakfast rolls( 2 x Rolls with egg, bacon and relish) we received. But I would take that above not getting breakfast every time.

The BMW ECO was an eye opener for me as I was expecting something along the lines of the NB.
We again had a nice route to the ECO. The camping was nice and  the ablutions were clean with fulltime hot water. The food tasted like it was home made and it never had that made for six hundred people tastelessness, and there was more than enough to go around.
Clint and Co and Ghapi provided some great entertainment, especially on Saturday night when we sat around the fire and they had a few sing alongs and improvised a few songs. There were quite a few guys who did not go for rides and just drank the days and nights away without any complaints from the organisers or any one else as far as I know. Although everything is organised I never had the feeling of being forced to stick to someone Else's routine and you could do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted. The ECO is definitely in a different class than the NB but considering the high entrance fees and the number of participants it better be. After attending my 1st ECO I now understand why people rave about it and why it is oversubscribed every year

I will definitely try to attend both again next year. As for the distance to a bash I dont care. If I can afford it I will go otherwise I stay at home :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ETS on October 25, 2012, 02:34:14 pm
Goeie post Stoetie maar iets klop nie.
Ek kan glo jy was op skool maar varsity?!!!!!!! :mwink: :imaposer:

Trek sommer jou been mater :thumleft:
Sport Sielkunde my pappa, pasop nou! Die dat ek 'n man so gou kan opsom. :3some: :biggrin:

P@@s p@@s-- Hoooeeee hoooeeee :imaposer: ;)
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Kaboef on October 25, 2012, 03:01:44 pm
I wont go to the ECO because I really wont like to be around hundreds of BMW riders.

Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: ButchH on October 25, 2012, 03:04:15 pm
I would be fucking scared of a grownup who thinks he is a Jedi Knight
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Kaboef on October 25, 2012, 04:51:11 pm
I would be fucking scared of a grownup who thinks he is a Jedi Knight

And rightly you should be!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: da PEEG on October 25, 2012, 05:53:40 pm
To each its own:

The BASH for me is getting there (doing a trip though unknown roads) and mingling with the keyboard people who inevitably become your friends, people you know...
The guys that want to hit the sauce do so, the others don't, but your are part of something bigger...

The ECO (first time this year) is about riding the routes and testing your abilities, strangely the guys I hanged out with were all dogs  :patch:
They made my ECO and the effort with setting up the routes were much appreciated.

Why want 2 similar events?  

I did enjoy both and have made up my mind to both again next year  :thumleft:  

 :laughing4: WOT HE SEZ...   :laughing4:

They're both different - each having something special that the other does not have - so if I can, I'll keep going to both (as well as regional bashed closer to me).
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: The Badger on October 25, 2012, 06:49:03 pm
Hey Jon,

Good question. Went to both and like GeeS both where a first for me.

I LOVED both of them and will go again with my wife. I think the cost was really reasonable for both.

R500 for the bash.

R1000 for the Eco..........and the only real difference to me was that at the Eco our food was cooked for us AND

The routes were marked with awesome access to private land and with a DIRECTION.... making it safer.

On the other hand we are grown ups and shouldnt need any molly coddling.

I really did enjoy the bike games at the Eco and think there should be more at the Bash........Fun games.

I always thought that the Bm get to gethers would be a boring regimented gathering...........I was WRONG. It was unexpectedly fun and the grade of the routes were nice and high.

Another nice difference was that all 600 odd ridrs could fit in one place and have dinner together.

Both were very lekker and I will attend both as long as I can..... :thumleft:


Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JourneyMan on October 25, 2012, 07:25:25 pm
600 at the National Bash? :eek:

I resign from my job as IDR's lieutenant.

National Bashes is there to meet and kuier with fellow WD's who you have met and spoken to on the forum.

How you experience it, is up to you.

Cost is always an issue. Venue as well. 100% of the time we rely on input from fellow members on suggestions for a venue.

Our aim: Cheap as possible, enough food, enough booze, decent facilities, awesome routes to and surrounding the venue an  almost no rules.

Over the years we have never had issues with bad behaviour. The odd revving of bikes in small hours of the morning, burn-outs in the bar (we actually support that :biggrin:)

What a disappointment for the locals at Vanderkloof!  :imaposer:



Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Leo on October 25, 2012, 07:35:33 pm
For me the bash is about meeting old friends, meeting new ones and putting a face to the major kark praters and henties that we see here on the forum, checking out the other bikes, what works, what is clever ideas, etc.  :laughing4:

I don't give a shit about going for a ride on the Saturday.   :3some:

Hell I haven't seen Funacide since I visited him in hospital after his major off - sad  ??? ..... and there are many more  :(

I do not like to take (any) leave to attend a bash - I use my leave for trips that I plan myself to places I would like to see  :thumleft:

I would, at max, slip away from the office on a Friday afternoon, hang on the cable to get to the destination, kuier 'n hond uit 'n bos, then take a more relaxed ride back on the Sunday via the unbeaten track.

Therefor if a bash in not within a 700 km radius, sorry I'm gonna pass.

The Eco is something totally different. Been to the old GS challenge before it became a financial rip-off. Yes we kuiered a hond uit 'n bos, no way we were suddenly going to put on our best behaviours just because.....

The routes were the main attraction as you access farm lands that are generally closed otherwise.

Leave the bashed as they are. Those that can, will attend. You can never please all.  

 ;)
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Welsh on October 25, 2012, 07:37:52 pm
600 at the National Bash? :eek:

I resign from my job as IDR's lieutenant.

National Bashes is there to meet and kuier with fellow WD's who you have met and spoken to on the forum.

How you experience it, is up to you.

Cost is always an issue. Venue as well. 100% of the time we rely on input from fellow members on suggestions for a venue.

Our aim: Cheap as possible, enough food, enough booze, decent facilities, awesome routes to and surrounding the venue an  almost no rules.

Over the years we have never had issues with bad behaviour. The odd revving of bikes in small hours of the morning, burn-outs in the bar (we actually support that :biggrin:)

What a disappointment for the locals at Vanderkloof!  :imaposer:






In defense of the organisers, there are a number of the old school of Forum members who push for a minimum of "frills" keep it honest, dont trailer in, dont stay in a hotel, your bike should carry you and your gear, not a back up backie, not everybodies views but there are a few.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: JourneyMan on October 25, 2012, 07:48:37 pm
600 at the National Bash? :eek:

I resign from my job as IDR's lieutenant.

National Bashes is there to meet and kuier with fellow WD's who you have met and spoken to on the forum.

How you experience it, is up to you.

Cost is always an issue. Venue as well. 100% of the time we rely on input from fellow members on suggestions for a venue.

Our aim: Cheap as possible, enough food, enough booze, decent facilities, awesome routes to and surrounding the venue an  almost no rules.

Over the years we have never had issues with bad behaviour. The odd revving of bikes in small hours of the morning, burn-outs in the bar (we actually support that :biggrin:)

What a disappointment for the locals at Vanderkloof!  :imaposer:






In defense of the organisers, there are a number of the old school of Forum members who push for a minimum of "frills" keep it honest, dont trailer in, dont stay in a hotel, your bike should carry you and your gear, not a back up backie, not everybodies views but there are a few.  :peepwall:

Your wheels at Vanderkloof, in the back ground. And some other sports. Thought that little dingy is gonna go down with you 3 huge farkers in it. :biggrin:

Raka didn't know much.  :imaposer:

Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Rynet on October 25, 2012, 08:13:19 pm

The last National Bash was great , everything was perfect  , thanks organizers  :thumleft:. Lekker routes to get there , the bash itself was not rough at all , it was quite sedate and lekker. Food and ablutions were good . Only complaint I heard was about the DJ Jules ‘ s taste in music  :mwink:, but fortunately MJ and K stepped in  . :biggrin: :biggrin:

Have never been to the Eco, but went to 2 similar  BMW weekends  and also 3 CABC events. Those are not a holiday . The organizer spend months planning the routes and the recce guys many weekends to explore and plan  .  They have green , orange and red routes , and a skills challenge which is exciting to take part in , and to watch . You leave the weekend feeling exhilarated, exhausted and pleased that you tested and improved yourself riding wise. Never been to one of those that I didn’t end up doing obstacles that I had to really push through my fears .

The Bashes have a different focus , the focus on  being social . What I like is the freedom to make it what you want it to be. So you could ride to the Bash as hard or as softly as you want, on whatever route takes your fancy,  and with whoever you wanted, but once there you chilled , relaxed , ate , drank, enjoyed the beautiful scenery and caught up with friends .   :thumleft:


I think at a National Bash it would be difficult to organize the three different routes, because you would need a dedicated recce team in place to go scout the routes, dedicated leaders and sweeps on the rides  ,and you would have to have an excellent medical backup plan if someone has an accident , a very real threat on events like that .  And I suspect even if the organizers went to all that trouble many / most? of us would still rather stay at the venue and chill, because we haven’t seen our friends for so long , and because most of us have just spent 2/3 days riding to get to the venue.

At the WC WD Bashes we have outrides, but it’s easier to manage because our local riding gods already know the areas well , and it’s not far for them to go recce and not far from home if you have an off.

 I think perhaps most of us already ride challenging stuff on weekends and don’t really go to the National Bash for a riding challenge, but want to be social . And for that it is perfecto.  :thumleft:  :thumleft:


Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: SGB on October 25, 2012, 09:58:46 pm
It is like comparing a 990 to an 800.  Not the same party and not aimed at the same market.  There are some overlaps, but more differences.  Nothing wrong with either.  It seems like you generally go the the ECO to ride your bike with friends, and bashes are more about parking your bike and socialize with friends. 
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on October 25, 2012, 10:08:40 pm
It is like comparing a 990 to an 800.  Not the same party and not aimed at the same market.  There are some overlaps, but more differences.  Nothing wrong with either.  It seems like you generally go the the ECO to ride your bike with friends, and bashes are more about parking your bike and socialize with friends
Dis nou wragtag goed gestel. Spoton SGB!! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: 1ougat on October 25, 2012, 10:26:33 pm
It is like comparing a 990 to an 800.  Not the same party and not aimed at the same market.  There are some overlaps, but more differences.  Nothing wrong with either.  It seems like you generally go the the ECO to ride your bike with friends, and bashes are more about parking your bike and socialize with friends
Dis nou wragtag goed gestel. Spoton SGB!! :thumleft:

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Leo on October 25, 2012, 10:28:26 pm
SGB spot on  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: White Rhino on October 26, 2012, 02:28:52 am
It is like comparing a 990 to an 800.  Not the same party and not aimed at the same market.  There are some overlaps, but more differences.  Nothing wrong with either.  It seems like you generally go the the ECO to ride your bike with friends, and bashes are more about parking your bike and socialize with friends. 

:laughing4: So what you're saying is, I should buy a 990 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Welsh on October 26, 2012, 03:37:07 am
600 at the National Bash? :eek:

I resign from my job as IDR's lieutenant.

National Bashes is there to meet and kuier with fellow WD's who you have met and spoken to on the forum.

How you experience it, is up to you.

Cost is always an issue. Venue as well. 100% of the time we rely on input from fellow members on suggestions for a venue.

Our aim: Cheap as possible, enough food, enough booze, decent facilities, awesome routes to and surrounding the venue an  almost no rules.

Over the years we have never had issues with bad behaviour. The odd revving of bikes in small hours of the morning, burn-outs in the bar (we actually support that :biggrin:)

What a disappointment for the locals at Vanderkloof!  :imaposer:






In defense of the organisers, there are a number of the old school of Forum members who push for a minimum of "frills" keep it honest, dont trailer in, dont stay in a hotel, your bike should carry you and your gear, not a back up backie, not everybodies views but there are a few.  :peepwall:

Your wheels at Vanderkloof, in the back ground. And some other sports. Thought that little dingy is gonna go down with you 3 huge farkers in it. :biggrin:

Raka didn't know much.  :imaposer:



True, shouldnt preach :xxbah: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Cave Girl on October 26, 2012, 04:32:16 am
Hoping the next National is not over month end :-) cause I would hate to miss it!! **can we please keep them EXACTLY as they are!**  Also agree if it gets bigger than the 200 mark won't be as much fun as there won't be enough time to meet everyone :-) Interesting point .. Vandderkloof had both "soft" and rough facilities but was not as well attended? So is it not more about timing than anything else?
Because its a National Bash some distance is a given and considering how vast our country is the problem is not going to go away! It was great having "families" at the last bash so taking a few days off and spending it with wife/husband/kids is possible :-) even if it means your forum name has to change afterwards ;-)
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Veldbrand on October 26, 2012, 09:11:11 am
Hoping the next National is not over month end :-) cause I would hate to miss it!! **can we please keep them EXACTLY as they are!**  Also agree if it gets bigger than the 200 mark won't be as much fun as there won't be enough time to meet everyone :-) Interesting point .. Vandderkloof had both "soft" and rough facilities but was not as well attended? So is it not more about timing than anything else?
Because its a National Bash some distance is a given and considering how vast our country is the problem is not going to go away! It was great having "families" at the last bash so taking a few days off and spending it with wife/husband/kids is possible :-) even if it means your forum name has to change afterwards ;-)
:imaposer: :imaposer:
Very sneaky Sista!
Should have stayed PinkSwi.... :peepwall:
True colours and all that. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Sithe on October 26, 2012, 09:15:18 am
No one is mentioning the middle finger salute that is so prevalent at WD bashes  :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Rynet on October 26, 2012, 09:17:44 am
  :laughing4: :laughing4: Yes funny Cavegirl , but also true , its nice to see the "softer" side of the tough guys  :biggrin:.  think its great to see the guys bring their wives and kids along . Gives the Bash a lekker family atmoshphere . :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on October 26, 2012, 10:04:57 am
We can do Van Der Kloof again anytime. :deal:
Kazillion routes there and back.
Liked the little town on the water.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gérrard on October 26, 2012, 10:24:31 am
  :laughing4: :laughing4: Yes funny Cavegirl , but also true , its nice to see the "softer" side of the tough guys  :biggrin:.  think its great to see the guys bring their wives and kids along . Gives the Bash a lekker family atmoshphere . :thumleft: :thumleft:

The Snowvalley Bash was Lyn's first one. We were camped between Stoetbul, Groenie and the Rebel Dogz.  :eek7: Yes, it got rough at times, but the antics were taken as part and parcell, and as said, we enjoyed it the way it was.
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Stoetbul on October 26, 2012, 03:00:22 pm
  :laughing4: :laughing4: Yes funny Cavegirl , but also true , its nice to see the "softer" side of the tough guys  :biggrin:.  think its great to see the guys bring their wives and kids along . Gives the Bash a lekker family atmoshphere . :thumleft: :thumleft:

The Snowvalley Bash was Lyn's first one. We were camped between Stoetbul, Groenie and the Rebel Dogz.  :eek7: Yes, it got rough at times, but the antics were taken as part and parcell, and as said, we enjoyed it the way it was.
Hey, I drank in the Bar, went to sleep early, played with Groenie's kids and the only thing I did wrong was snore a bit. I think I was well behaved this year? :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Gérrard on October 26, 2012, 04:53:27 pm
  :laughing4: :laughing4: Yes funny Cavegirl , but also true , its nice to see the "softer" side of the tough guys  :biggrin:.  think its great to see the guys bring their wives and kids along . Gives the Bash a lekker family atmoshphere . :thumleft: :thumleft:

The Snowvalley Bash was Lyn's first one. We were camped between Stoetbul, Groenie and the Rebel Dogz.  :eek7: Yes, it got rough at times, but the antics were taken as part and parcell, and as said, we enjoyed it the way it was.
Hey, I drank in the Bar, went to sleep early, played with Groenie's kids and the only thing I did wrong was snore a bit. I think I was well behaved this year? :peepwall:

Indeed you were... you even kept your shirt  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Trailrider on October 27, 2012, 07:16:03 am
No one is mentioning the middle finger salute that is so prevalent at Northern WD bashes  :pot: :peepwall:

fixed :lol8:
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Dirt Yarpie on October 29, 2012, 06:28:02 pm
As a newbie, this was my first Bash, so I cannot make any comparisons. But I can say this: I will certainly try my utmost to be there again next year irrespective of where it is. For me it was all about riding with friends, meeting new friends, checking out the Bash surrounds, the camaraderie and then the ride home again. For me it was about 600km's either way ...of which about 350 was dirt. If it's further next year I'll leave earlier!
Incidentally, I don't care too much about the ablutions and general facilities...I believe that 'roughing' it just a little brings out the camaraderie!
Title: Re: Wild Dog Annual Bash V BMW Eco Challenge
Post by: Bernt on October 29, 2012, 07:05:52 pm
central is halfway between Beit Bridge and Cape Town.............how 'bout a north and south bash????????????????? :pot: