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Title: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Ru_za on November 06, 2012, 09:18:31 pm
I know that a lot of different bikes brands and models are a matter of opinion and debate.

But which Motocross or enduro type bikes could anyone advise ?

Im looking at bikes like the KTM, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda but am not up to date as to some cons of whichever brand.

I especially am interested in bikes between 2003-2006

Any sort of opinion or advise would be appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 09:20:16 pm
YZ250 2stroke. Klaargepraat. Of KX250 2stroke. Verder gepraat.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Ru_za on November 06, 2012, 09:23:21 pm
And what do you think of the KTMs ? i've seen a few that are cheaper than yz or kx of similar year. Are the ktms more likely to give problems and are parts very pricey at all ?
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 09:32:29 pm
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Ru_za on November 06, 2012, 09:43:30 pm
OK great ! thanks for the replies ! Puts things in a different perspective !
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: RedWolf on November 06, 2012, 09:49:06 pm
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.
Agree, also had a YZ250, that thing was Wild and super reliable.. So, my advise is get the Yamaha, but if you are a really inexperienced rider first try the 125 class. I eventually sold my YZ250, because I couldn't control her. Must say mine was tuned for top performance with almost every extra on the bike, boiled the brake fluid multiple times due to the fast speed pickup.

Sold her to an experienced YZ250 rider (Rossdog) and he eventually sold it due to too much power, so maybe it was just mine that was a malkoppie. I loved that bike and still think it's one of the best MX bikes available, but I would never buy one again.. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2012, 10:21:04 pm
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.

Sorry man but that is crap, a bike will only last as good as it's taken care off. Why do KTM's "look older more quickly" simple reason that they tend to get bought by more serious riders and thus get ridden a lot more. a KTM MX bike is just as race ready as a YZ or KX would be, all these bikes come out of the factory ready to be raced without having anything done to them.
Having owned most of the major brands my KTM has by far been the most lasting, it feels brand new still compared to other bikes of that year. The past weekend I went testing on the 2013 KX250's and still prefer my 2007 KTM to that.

Ru_za, what area are you in?
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 10:30:09 pm
A good friend is a top rider and in his own words; if you race, and you can replace bikes at least every year, max 2, then a KTM is good, because they actually come race-ready for the same price as the Japs. But if you want to keep riding the same bike for say 5 years, buy a Yamaha. Tougher, everything last better. Older KTM's look tatty much sooner than older Jappies, under the same conditions.

Sorry man but that is crap, a bike will only last as good as it's taken care off. Why do KTM's "look older more quickly" simple reason that they tend to get bought by more serious riders and thus get ridden a lot more. a KTM MX bike is just as race ready as a YZ or KX would be, all these bikes come out of the factory ready to be raced without having anything done to them.
Having owned most of the major brands my KTM has by far been the most lasting, it feels brand new still compared to other bikes of that year. The past weekend I went testing on the 2013 KX250's and still prefer my 2007 KTM to that.

Ru_za, what area are you in?

And don't a bike bought and ridden by a more serious rider usually get more serious maintenance as well? Sorry bud, show me the 90's MX KTM's. Laaaankal dood.
Go google if you do not know, KTM will sell off the floor with fatbars, o-ring chain, etc, while the Japs wont. Where did you think "Ready to race" came from???
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 10:31:45 pm
Oh yes, Ettienne, show me the YZ that breaks a swingarm.  :imaposer:, or do YZ's not get raced now suddenly? Jou KTM kos jou al 3 YZ's. :xxbah:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2012, 10:48:32 pm
2SD show me one Japanese MX bike from the 90's that's still perfect, KTM only started becoming a dominant brand in the past 10+ years.

You are biased towards anything Japanese, and people read your opinions thinking you are a senior member and then take that stuff seriously.
Are you honestly basing your opinion on what type of chain a bike comes out with? And Yamaha YZ's also come standard with farbars btw.

My KTM has cost way less in maintanance than a YZ250 did, KTM non OEM parts are much cheaper for the simply fact that there are so many KTM's out there, they've become the most popular brand worldwide in offroad, have you tried even finding Suzuki parts etc. not to mention how extremely high the prices are.

I can within a 5min drive from my house buy ANY part for my KTM at very good prices, I've heard horror stories of people needing to get honda/kawasaki/suzuki parts.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 10:58:05 pm
Ettienne, I never said that the Japs are better race bikes than the KTM's, just that they are better longterm bikes. Like you said yourself, you have to buy cheap aftermarket stuff for your KTM, and this is possibly why the YZ's look less tatty than a KTM after a few years used under the same conditions.
Remember, when KTM became a "dominant brand" 10+ years ago, the Japs have already been dominant for 30 years. I like the KTM's too, but the Japs are better lasting.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2012, 11:00:12 pm
Have to disagree, a bikes looks after a couple of years is purely based on how the owner treated it.
There's a reason 90% of the offroad bikes are KTM
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Snafu on November 06, 2012, 11:02:19 pm
Maybe it is an age thing, but i agree with 2SD :P
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:04:06 pm
Have to disagree, a bikes looks after a couple of years is purely based on how the owner treated it.
There's a reason 90% of the offroad bikes are KTM

Like I told you, you have to replace your KTM far more frequently, so there will be more around. :imaposer:, OK, OK Ettienne, you have a point, I also think that the new KTM's are [almost] up to Japanese standards. But only the new ones......
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2012, 11:05:57 pm
 :3some:

as far as 2t goes, the japanese have some catching up to do I'm afraid.

My bike for next year is a fuel injected 2T, that comes standard with full Akrapovic system and CC forks. the future is nice :)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Snafu on November 06, 2012, 11:07:59 pm
Money comes easy, good going ET
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:09:03 pm
Wow Ossie, now I have to agree with one pro-BMW thing you say. :mwink:

But seriously, it always bothers me when a manufacturer does not make topclass stuff from day one. Yamaha, Toyota, Bridgestone all started out with top class products, yet KTM has been making bikes for almost as long but only started making stuff of acceptable quality during the last decade. Why first make crap, and then improve? Well, at least they improved.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:12:11 pm
:3some:

as far as 2t goes, the japanese have some catching up to do I'm afraid.

My bike for next year is a fuel injected 2T, that comes standard with full Akrapovic system and CC forks. the future is nice :)

Very nice indeed, but do not confuse technology with quality. And google Yamaha "Supermax". Surprise will be your companion.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:13:55 pm
Ettienne, I would hate to be as brand-befok as you are. :pot:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
Money comes easy, good going ET

Not really hey, it's actually an entire years worth of salary going towards it.

Ettienne, I would hate to be as brand-befok as you are. :pot:


Why? I'm not brand biased at all, not even riding a KTM next year, I've had Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, KTM and now moving to another brand  :thumleft:

this one is for you 2SD :)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:31:23 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:, you forgot to add; "and the world was good"
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2012, 11:34:44 pm
BTW, what brand are you moving to now?
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 06, 2012, 11:41:59 pm
BTW, what brand are you moving to now?

I also want to know wish brand will now be the best when Etienne2T get the new one?  :patch:

Aa where is the good old days when we where younger and we also knew everything.     ;D
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Bensien on November 07, 2012, 05:42:59 am
When the bike get olderí you will start to appreciate why the KTM originally cost more. It is cheaper to maintain in the long run. The reason for this is that items that are most subject to damage or wear can easily be removed, while on the Jap bikes they are often an integral part of a bigger component. I now have to pay R3600 to repair my KX250 2T, for something that would be about R100 on a KTM.

Perhaps this is why old KTMís look more tatty. With a Jap bike you are constantly replacing items that can be repaired on the KTM
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Buff on November 07, 2012, 06:01:38 am
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Mark Hardy on November 07, 2012, 06:50:04 am
what an enjoyable thread to read  :biggrin: but also very informative.

I have to agree with BOTH 2SD and E2T  :biggrin: there are only really two bike worth looking at ...Yamaha and KTM.

When next at an MX or Enduro event have a look see which are the two most popular bikes on the start line. It will be blue and orange with a sprinkling of green, red and some yellow. Ignore which brands are on the podium, that is the result of the rider, they could most proberly win on any bike. Rather look at what the Joe soaps (us) are riding. That will give a good indication which bike are reliable, easy to maintain and not that expensive.

Personally it would be very difficult to chose between the yammy or KTM. I have grown up in a yamaha family and only crossed over to KTM 6 years ago, just because yamaha did not and still do not have a machine that comes close to the 950/990.  >:D. Otherwise I would still be riding Yamaha.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: DR BIG 750 on November 07, 2012, 06:55:36 am
Very sensible Mark ignore the podium the winner would probably win on any make. but just a word on older bikes (vmx) so probably older than you are looking at I would stay Jap definatly easier & more affordable ( proof in the people there doing iy as Mark says) but on a newer all round starter, you will be very hard pressed to beat a KDX 200 also 2 smoke ; cheaper
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: alanB on November 07, 2012, 07:08:58 am
Personally I think this brand obsession thing is nonsense!

The Japanes MX bikes of the past were very competitive and very well made in general.  The differences between them were very small and typically each year a different brand tended to be a little better than the rest.  In the years I raced, Honda's and Suzuki's and Kawasaki's were dominant at various times. 

So I dont think you can say "only Yamaha" or "Only Kawasaki" etc.

I wold imagine the main problem now will be parts availability for the older bikes so you would have to check that before hand - thats probably going to be the clincher.
 
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Wihan on November 07, 2012, 07:38:34 am
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Pom17 on November 07, 2012, 07:45:28 am
Ek sal KTM gaan. Net omdat ek dit like. Geen ander logiese rede
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 07, 2012, 08:24:04 am
KaTooM.    (http://eddiedeguzman.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cartoon-bang-head-jpg.gif?w=500)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2012, 08:31:47 am
Wow Ossie, now I have to agree with one pro-BMW thing you say. :mwink:

Snafu, you need to save this one and use it wisely...
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Hooli on November 07, 2012, 12:14:17 pm
I have had a few bikes before and must agree with 2SD, that the Yamaha is far better option to buy and maintain than any other make. That said, I currently own 2 KTM's, and love them both, but that is because Yamaha doesn't have anything close to these 2 bikes in the same category. Just my personal opinion and prefrances on these bikes.
If you look at resale value the Yamaha's is far better than any other make. And that is a fact, just look at GOMBOOM.
Please and if you look at the stats on Finishers in competions, MX, Enduro, SCross, Dakar etc..., ALL these bikes are maintained with budgets that you and I can only dream of.

I must admitt that unfortunaly no other make, can compare to the KTM's on the enduro scene, and they also make the biggest variety of bikes.
I also agree with Etienne, as to keep your hand on your bike and it will cost you less in the long run.   
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2012, 12:57:15 pm
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 07, 2012, 01:16:54 pm
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2012, 01:38:21 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer:
As ek nie oor myself brag nie, gaan niemand anders nie.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: RogerL on November 07, 2012, 01:53:50 pm
A quick thought...
Yamaha - not the best overall, but just comes back week after week and does it again and again.
Honda - were the best at one stage.
Suzuki - also ran
Kawasaki - always got the holeshot, but needed more work.
KTM - I raced a 250 (the white one) for part of a season, found them to be out of date and very expensive (bike and parts).

Ran the specialist bikes after that - Maico.  There are better specialist bikes than the above, but costs and spares is an issue.

Good e.g.
was at Yammie the other day, 1 KTM exhaust valve R900, full set of 4 for a yammie, R450.

Personally, I like Husky.  Now there are specials like GasGas, Beta, all of which we have not really had here, so no real track record.

I would go with a Jap today, probably Yammie because it will do it all.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: KaTooMatt on November 07, 2012, 02:11:08 pm
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2012, 03:01:18 pm
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:

I use to ride my Yamaha streetbikes in these places. :pot:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: KaTooMatt on November 07, 2012, 04:41:12 pm
Let's be honest now, there isn't a bad modern bike out there at the moment. 2 stroke technology is not exactly rocket science anymore and the difference normally comes in with the suspension.
KTM's have always been notoriously expensive to maintain and it helps if you have a friend of a friend who knows Etienne who will get you a 2% discount at the local ktm spanner shop ;)

If you're concerned about costs, stay far away from 4 strokes. They're great when they're running but will break the bank when the motor lets go.

If you're looking to getting into dirt biking and not flat out MX then buy a KDX. It does nothing great but everything good  and there isn't a cheaper or more reliable dirt bike out there. I'm sure even Dan and Et will agree with that.

Buff, have to agree with you :thumleft:

I bought 2SD's 2004 KDX, looked like a farm bike, pulled through his arse...and I mean stukkend! I wanted to leave it on the side walk... :dousing: Replaced chain, sprockets and serviced the suspension. That KDX is still going like a rocket, starts first time, every time...no matter how I mistreat it, she just keeps on going.
I also have a 2007 KTM 300 EXC I bought for when I am better and the KDX is finished...it has been standing in the spanner shop for a week now waiting for parts after the clutch packed up again. :'(
So this weekend I'll just pull out my "jap scrap" and rip it up again. :sip:

I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly difficult technical places you can find. It is how it was reared. :imaposer:


Dis nou wat ek noem fyn brag.   ;D

So with this history where does the Histrionic support for Yamaha come from? :pot:

I use to ride my Yamaha streetbikes in these places. :pot:


Only in Danie-land or possibly
"I sincerely hope that you will continue riding that KDX in the most incredibly well tarred places you can find. It is how it was reared" is more appropriate
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2012, 04:49:24 pm
I'll take a Yamaha streetbike into tougher places than you'll take your 990. :pot:
Both streetbikes. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 07, 2012, 10:33:42 pm
honda is bulletproof..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63115_530989276928785_2015222380_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2012, 10:37:54 pm
honda is bulletproof..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63115_530989276928785_2015222380_n.jpg)

I cannot see anything wrong with this bike's swingarm??? :ricky:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Snafu on November 07, 2012, 11:27:20 pm
honda is bulletproof..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63115_530989276928785_2015222380_n.jpg)

Thats the new Mecano Honda, specialy build for people without trailers, what is your problem? :P
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 08, 2012, 07:38:17 am
Mecano Honda :imaposer: :imaposer:, ...........and Lego KTM.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 08, 2012, 08:34:18 am
honda is bulletproof..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63115_530989276928785_2015222380_n.jpg)

Who the hell sprayed this KTM red??  Fuckers!!   :lol8:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Hooli on November 08, 2012, 09:49:49 am
honda is bulletproof..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63115_530989276928785_2015222380_n.jpg)

I cannot see anything wrong with this bike's swingarm??? :ricky:

Hey Dan, hoe lekker lag ek nou........... Excellent !!!!! :laughing4:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Buff on November 08, 2012, 10:22:16 am
 :imaposer: You okes crack me up. I bet Et's trawling the net for a broken Yamaha now  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Pom17 on November 08, 2012, 10:28:27 am
:imaposer: You okes crack me up. I bet Et's trawling the net for a broken Yamaha now  :imaposer:

Ek het dit ook oorweeg :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 08, 2012, 10:48:54 am
:imaposer: You okes crack me up. I bet Et's trawling the net for a broken Yamaha now  :imaposer:

:D :D :D I did! No luck though! Pot ester doesn't break.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 08, 2012, 12:49:28 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: Lekker Ettienne! Moenie worry nie, ek weet die KTM's is great bikes!
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 08, 2012, 01:14:36 pm
:imaposer: You okes crack me up. I bet Et's trawling the net for a broken Yamaha now  :imaposer:

:D :D :D I did! No luck though! Pot ester doesn't break.

Yamaha just goes on and on and on and on, just like Uncle Dan. Onkruid vergaan mos nie.   ;D


I know of some pics but I will not admit there existence.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 08, 2012, 01:15:39 pm
:imaposer: :imaposer: Lekker Ettienne! Moenie worry nie, ek weet die KTM's is great bikes!

Van wanneer af is jy so polities korrek?   :o
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 08, 2012, 03:38:55 pm
Want ek laaik mos van ou Ettienne.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Herminator on November 08, 2012, 04:07:10 pm
Ek ry eerder n Bigboy pitbike voor ek KTM ry :)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 12, 2012, 10:05:24 pm
Yamaha is so great in MX they don't even have a factory team anymore..
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Etienne2T on November 12, 2012, 10:08:22 pm
Want ek laaik mos van ou Ettienne.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha.

Ek hou van jou ook Oom, ek het 'n Yamaha gehad, daar was twee in die huis.

Did you know..the radiator on a Yamaha XT660 has a big fat KTM logo on it..
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: Sir Rat on November 12, 2012, 10:48:24 pm
Want ek laaik mos van ou Ettienne.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha.

Ek hou van jou ook Oom, ek het 'n Yamaha gehad, daar was twee in die huis.

Did you know..the radiator on a Yamaha XT660 has a big fat KTM logo on it..

Ja ek weet van die KTM inprint, maar ek het myne af gevly ingeval iemand dit dalk sien of die bike kom dit agter en gaan staan dan op elke trip.  ;D
Title: Re: Pros and Cons of Major Motocross bikes between 125/250cc
Post by: cocoNUT on November 13, 2012, 09:58:59 pm
lol  :lol8: