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Title: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Welsh on January 23, 2013, 03:05:51 pm
I understand he was killed near George, 20 years experience motoring Journo for Telegraph. :'(
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Post by: Heimer on January 23, 2013, 03:07:16 pm
That is terrible news. RIP
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Post by: kwassi on January 23, 2013, 03:07:23 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9820469/Telegraph-motorcycling-correspondent-Kevin-Ash-dies.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9820469/Telegraph-motorcycling-correspondent-Kevin-Ash-dies.html)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: kwassi on January 23, 2013, 03:16:50 pm
Ja of Outeniqua pas of Montagu
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 23, 2013, 03:22:02 pm
With such an experienced rider..  :o

RIP
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Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 23, 2013, 03:41:16 pm
RIP Kevin. :(
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Post by: RobC on January 23, 2013, 03:50:28 pm
Sad news... RIP
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Post by: Just_Plain_Dan on January 23, 2013, 04:04:08 pm
Eish.
Really sad news

RIP

I am sure that spoiled what should have been a very nice launch for the new GS
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Post by: IDR on January 23, 2013, 04:10:12 pm
SHit!!

Of www.ashonbikes.com fame.

RIP

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/about
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 23, 2013, 05:28:44 pm
SHit!!

Of www.ashonbikes.com fame.

RIP

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/about

yip, he seemed such a nice guy and very knowledgeable - SAD INDEED!  :'(

R.I.P. Kevin :'(

and I feel quite sorry for BMW as well - quite a spoiler to happen at a launch of what is speculated will be an epic bike
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Teapot on January 23, 2013, 05:31:20 pm
Ag kuk not again.
RIP
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Post by: Jacobsroodt on January 23, 2013, 05:37:41 pm
BMW released an official statement late last night, saying. "It is with deep regret that BMW Motorrad confirms the fatal injury of Kevin Ash in a motorcycle accident during a launch event in South Africa. The accident happened to the north of a town called George, 250 kilometres east of Cape Town. Out of respect for Kevin's family and friends, no further information is being made available at this time."

Adrian Roderick, general manager for BMW Motorrad UK, said: "We are shocked and deeply saddened to hear the awful news about Kevin Ash; one of the most well-liked, experienced and respected journalists in the extremely close-knit motorcycle community. Losing Kevin is a tragedy which will be felt across the entire industry. He was a friend, as much as a journalist, and will be sorely missed. Our heartfelt thoughts are with his family, friends and colleagues at this awful time."

Fellow journalist Geoff Hill, who was at the same launch as Kevin, said: "No one is still quite sure what happened, and we won't know more until the police and BMW investigation has finished, but all of us on the launch from the British bike world are devastated, and are still finding it hard to believe that Kevin won't just walk through the door with a witty remark.

"He was not only a legend in motorcycling journalism, with an unsurpassed technical knowledge and writing style, but a close friend to us all, and the world of motorcycling in general, and motorcycling journalism in particular, is today a much poorer place without him."
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Post by: the_wes on January 23, 2013, 05:40:05 pm
RIP Kevin Ash - we've lost one hell of a motorcycle journalist
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Post by: Takashi on January 23, 2013, 06:05:33 pm
RIP Kevin... You will surely be missed.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Firecoast on January 23, 2013, 06:08:42 pm
Sjoe! Lots of deaths in January! Not nice to hear!

RIP... condolensces to the friends and family left behind!
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Post by: Swart Gevaar on January 23, 2013, 06:53:21 pm
Sad to hear

R.I.P
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Post by: Manic on January 23, 2013, 06:57:37 pm
RIP
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Post by: Sprocketbek on January 23, 2013, 07:00:16 pm
This is terrible news................

R.I.P
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Post by: Karel Kat on January 23, 2013, 07:01:06 pm
RIP
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Post by: red baron on January 23, 2013, 07:26:06 pm
RIP
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Post by: Rodlau on January 23, 2013, 07:41:14 pm
RIP.  Always sad at this kind of news
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 23, 2013, 08:05:51 pm
Judging from the obvious dedication to his job, he died doing what he loves best. And death came swiftly, not a long drawn-out suffering. May he rest in peace.
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Post by: LeonDude on January 23, 2013, 08:17:08 pm
20 Years writing about biking - that is a lot of love for biking.
RIP.
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Post by: StevedW on January 23, 2013, 08:51:49 pm
what happened?
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Post by: Sprocketbek on January 23, 2013, 10:12:39 pm
what happened?

I guess we will all like to know. But I feel speculation would be inappropriate at this stage.
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Post by: Crop Sprang on January 23, 2013, 11:26:49 pm
RIP
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Post by: 1ougat on January 24, 2013, 12:16:39 am
RIP - Sad that it happens on such an event
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Post by: Kameel on January 24, 2013, 01:12:56 am
Details very sketchy. Confirmed on gravel road. He fell and injured his shoulder. Dit is al wat ek kon lees op die oorsese sites.

RIP. sad indeed.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Oshkosh on January 24, 2013, 03:12:47 am
RIP
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Post by: StevedW on January 24, 2013, 08:14:13 am
I also heard it was not on a tar road and there was no car or anyone else involved!
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Post by: Baches on January 24, 2013, 08:19:57 am
RIP
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Post by: bronzy on January 24, 2013, 08:22:25 am
very sad RIP
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Post by: IDR on January 24, 2013, 08:54:51 am
Not great for BMWs marketing department though.

"The all-new BMW R 1200 GS - killed one of the most well-known and respected international journalists at launch!"
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Post by: gser on January 24, 2013, 08:57:17 am
 
 RIP
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Post by: King Louis on January 24, 2013, 08:59:14 am
Sad news. RIP
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Post by: Sithe on January 24, 2013, 09:03:45 am
Not great for BMWs marketing department though.

"The all-new BMW R 1200 GS - killed one of the most well-known and respected international journalists at launch!"

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Karel Kat on January 24, 2013, 09:08:02 am
Sad: His daughter released the following statement on her father's website Ash On Bikes (www.ashonbikes.com): 'Kevin Ash passed away due to a motorcycle accident during a press launch in South Africa.
'The phrase Ďhe died doing what he lovedí sprang to mind but I would like to stamp that firmly out. He loved his family more and we love him.'
'As his oldest daughter, I only recently started to fully realise just how much further his parenting went than most; on receiving a tearful phone call at Stanstead airport it was a natural response to immediately cancel his press launch and ride back home to teach trigonometry the night before exams.
'Everything he did was entirely for his children and his wife, and a little bit for his cat.
'My parents loved each other very much and I hope that one day we can learn to live without him.'
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Post by: jj le roux on January 24, 2013, 09:14:58 am
RIP!
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Post by: HeftyCrab on January 24, 2013, 09:19:10 am
SHit!!

Of www.ashonbikes.com fame.

RIP

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/about


Ja,i enjoyed his reviews. RIP.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Snafu on January 24, 2013, 09:28:41 am
Not great for BMWs marketing department though.

"The all-new BMW R 1200 GS - killed one of the most well-known and respected international journalists at launch!"

Quoted from where?
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Post by: Frog on January 24, 2013, 09:32:45 am
Sad news indeed. R.I.P
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Post by: subie on January 24, 2013, 09:41:51 am
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: ReaperMan on January 24, 2013, 09:43:26 am
RIP. Always sad
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Post by: DRAZIL on January 24, 2013, 09:43:54 am
very sad. RIP
How was his dirt riding skills on a big DS bike especially on SA gravel?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: the_wes on January 24, 2013, 09:44:10 am
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

by all reports, Kevin Ash was a heck of a rider.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 1ougat on January 24, 2013, 09:47:32 am
Not great for BMWs marketing department though.

"The all-new BMW R 1200 GS - killed one of the most well-known and respected international journalists at launch!"

IDR where did you get that or did you make it up ?


In bad taste whatever  :patch:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Karel Kat on January 24, 2013, 09:50:55 am
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

Does not always hold true. I dare anybody on this forum to keep up with Dave Petersen on and off road...and he is ancient. OK, he used to be a bit faster and sharper when he was younger but if someone has been riding professionally or testing bikes professionally for 30 odd years he usually knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: subie on January 24, 2013, 09:54:58 am
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

by all reports, Kevin Ash was a heck of a rider.

No! I did not want to cast doubt on Kevin's riding abilities or old toppies in general. In my mind biking (sport and adventure) should
be a young fit man's game and as such I want to see a young  fit rider introducing or testing such a bike. Just something that bothers me and probably not relevant in this instance.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Snafu on January 24, 2013, 09:57:17 am
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

by all reports, Kevin Ash was a heck of a rider.

No! I did not want to cast doubt on Kevin's riding abilities or old toppies in general. In my mind biking (sport and adventure) should
be a young fit man's game and as such I want to see a young  fit rider introducing or testing such a bike. Just something that bothers me and probably not relevant in this instance.

Reality is that most adventure bikers are 30+
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: GEE-SH on January 24, 2013, 10:04:51 am
I see in The Herald this morning apparently two UK journalists were involved in the accident, the other was injured and in Knysna hospital  - no further details given.
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Post by: LuckyStriker on January 24, 2013, 10:08:13 am
Sad: His daughter released the following statement on her father's website Ash On Bikes (www.ashonbikes.com): 'Kevin Ash passed away due to a motorcycle accident during a press launch in South Africa.
'The phrase Ďhe died doing what he lovedí sprang to mind but I would like to stamp that firmly out. He loved his family more and we love him.'
'As his oldest daughter, I only recently started to fully realise just how much further his parenting went than most; on receiving a tearful phone call at Stanstead airport it was a natural response to immediately cancel his press launch and ride back home to teach trigonometry the night before exams.
'Everything he did was entirely for his children and his wife, and a little bit for his cat.
'My parents loved each other very much and I hope that one day we can learn to live without him.'

Very sad, and deeply touching
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Post by: Welsh on January 24, 2013, 10:13:55 am
Yes strange no info coming out on cause  8)
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Post by: melvman on January 24, 2013, 10:18:07 am
I see in The Herald this morning apparently two UK journalists were involved in the accident, the other was injured and in Knysna hospital  - no further details given.

It seems the accident happened on the gravel road between Willowmore and Uniondale, which is a fast section of gravel. If I am correct in assuming that before you exit the Baviaans on the Willowmore side, take a left towards Uniondale.

I would love to know how this happened.

RIP
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Post by: KTMaster on January 24, 2013, 11:40:41 am
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

by all reports, Kevin Ash was a heck of a rider.

No! I did not want to cast doubt on Kevin's riding abilities or old toppies in general. In my mind biking (sport and adventure) should
be a young fit man's game and as such I want to see a young  fit rider introducing or testing such a bike. Just something that bothers me and probably not relevant in this instance.

Reality is that most adventure bikers are 30+

+1 I was just about to raised the same point.  Not only Adventure bikes are generally the bike of choice of 'mature' riders, but also the Beemer bikes in particular are definitely the natural choice of mature riders.

Put a young hot shot used to ride superbikes or MX bikes, and the chances are that he would tell you that the big GS is too big, too heavy, and too boring to ride.

I'm sad to hear about that journalist's tragic accident.  I guess it's a bitter reminder that bike accidents can happen to anyone, regardless of age or riding experience.
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Post by: corriej on January 24, 2013, 12:15:24 pm
RIP Kevin

Quote
Cycle World Editor-in-Chief Mark Hoyer arrived on the scene approximately 10 minutes after the accident. He was able to aid a second downed rider, who was not immediately identified.
ďI worked on him with another American who also had some medical training,Ē said Hoyer, ďand then I assisted the medics. He looked like he was going to be okay. He appeared to have suffered a broken humerus and/or shoulder. We put him on a backboard when the medics arrived about 30-40 minutes after I contacted the second patient.Ē
Hoyer reported they were riding on a straight, dusty, gravel road.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/01/23/rest-in-peace-kevin-ash/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/01/23/rest-in-peace-kevin-ash/)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2-Stroke on January 24, 2013, 12:40:29 pm
I only met him once at a launch in Bilbao. I had chatted to him via email previously because we had bought a couple of stories from him. At the launch, he walked up to me, asked if my name was Donovan, which I confirmed, too which he smiled warmly saying "Hi, I'm Kevin."
I noticed he was very amicable to everyone, always smiling and always being very friendly. All the other journalists, even the stereotypical British hotshots, were always deeply respectful to him. I didn't know too much about him at the time, but even an idiot like me could work out that he was something great. Every journalist throughout the world has only good things to say about him.
Hearing the news this morning was a massive shock.
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Post by: DEONP on January 24, 2013, 12:56:29 pm
Very sad news
Condolences to family and friends
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Post by: bradleys on January 24, 2013, 01:07:07 pm
RIP ,sad news.
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Post by: Kameel on January 24, 2013, 01:13:37 pm
Sad to hear. RIP.
Something that bothers me with new bikes test ,launches etc. It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie
doing the testing etc.  Maybe the big tourers/cruisers but definately not a sportbike or adventure bike. These I associate with younger fit riders around thirty or so.

by all reports, Kevin Ash was a heck of a rider.

No! I did not want to cast doubt on Kevin's riding abilities or old toppies in general. In my mind biking (sport and adventure) should
be a young fit man's game and as such I want to see a young  fit rider introducing or testing such a bike. Just something that bothers me and probably not relevant in this instance.

Reality is that most adventure bikers are 30+

+1 I was just about to raised the same point.  Not only Adventure bikes are generally the bike of choice of 'mature' riders, but also the Beemer bikes in particular are definitely the natural choice of mature riders.

Put a young hot shot used to ride superbikes or MX bikes, and the chances are that he would tell you that the big GS is too big, too heavy, and too boring to ride.

I'm sad to hear about that journalist's tragic accident.  I guess it's a bitter reminder that bike accidents can happen to anyone, regardless of age or riding experience.

Hence the reason why the average age of a BMW 1200GS rider is something like 54?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Kameel on January 24, 2013, 01:14:23 pm
RIP Kevin

Quote
Cycle World Editor-in-Chief Mark Hoyer arrived on the scene approximately 10 minutes after the accident. He was able to aid a second downed rider, who was not immediately identified.
ďI worked on him with another American who also had some medical training,Ē said Hoyer, ďand then I assisted the medics. He looked like he was going to be okay. He appeared to have suffered a broken humerus and/or shoulder. We put him on a backboard when the medics arrived about 30-40 minutes after I contacted the second patient.Ē
Hoyer reported they were riding on a straight, dusty, gravel road.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/01/23/rest-in-peace-kevin-ash/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/01/23/rest-in-peace-kevin-ash/)

thanks CorrieJ. That is also the article I read. :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 24, 2013, 01:21:09 pm
Sad: His daughter released the following statement on her father's website Ash On Bikes (www.ashonbikes.com): 'Kevin Ash passed away due to a motorcycle accident during a press launch in South Africa.
'The phrase Ďhe died doing what he lovedí sprang to mind but I would like to stamp that firmly out. He loved his family more and we love him.'
'As his oldest daughter, I only recently started to fully realise just how much further his parenting went than most; on receiving a tearful phone call at Stanstead airport it was a natural response to immediately cancel his press launch and ride back home to teach trigonometry the night before exams.
'Everything he did was entirely for his children and his wife, and a little bit for his cat.
'My parents loved each other very much and I hope that one day we can learn to live without him.'

Ah well, I suppose this put paid to my notion[reply #22] that he died doing what he loved. He was obviously there reluctantly.
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Post by: Gee S on January 24, 2013, 02:28:02 pm
RIP.
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Post by: Trailrider on January 24, 2013, 04:58:16 pm
This is a tragedy. Rest in Peace Ash.

I do not want to speculate. I do not know what happened.

On a specific dirt road between Uniondale and Baviaans there is a nasty section that almost had me off my bike (CTX200 then) twice. You don't see it till it's too late. On a later trip Eisbein also hit that spot and broke his rear suspension on his GS1100.

The same situation on faster bikes could be much more dangerous.

Once again, I have no idea what happened, or even if it happened at the spot I'm talking about. But the area has gravel roads with spots like these and accidents happen quickly, conditions change with every bout of rain. Even if you're a local you can get caught out.

Tragic that a rider lost his life. Could have been me. Could have been anyone of us.

R.I.P.
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Post by: sheldyn on January 24, 2013, 05:17:23 pm
Absolutely shocking story, i'll be wearing my ATGATT tomorrow.  atleast let something good come from it.

RIP
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Post by: J-dog on January 24, 2013, 05:22:54 pm
 :'(
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Post by: StevedW on January 24, 2013, 05:27:17 pm
some comments by some people leave a lot to be desired .....this is what I'm refering to "It bothers me when I see a new model with some old ballie doing the testing etc." Maybe the old ballies have twice the brain capacity and experience!
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Post by: Mudslinger on January 24, 2013, 05:28:52 pm
Very sad news indeed. His write-ups was well researched and always very informative. R.I.P.
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Post by: Advrider on January 24, 2013, 06:03:14 pm
RIP
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Post by: Moondog on January 24, 2013, 06:23:14 pm
Very sad! RIP!
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Post by: Padrone on January 24, 2013, 06:24:50 pm
RIP
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hinksding on January 24, 2013, 08:22:53 pm
One of the Wilddog forum members, who was involved with the launch was driving directly behind Ken when the accident happend. They were doing 160km/h when Ken just left the road on a long bend.  No one is sure what happend....yet.  Sad story.
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Post by: Would I? on January 24, 2013, 08:30:26 pm
RIP. Very sad.
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Post by: VanT on January 24, 2013, 08:31:59 pm
RIP.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 24, 2013, 08:50:18 pm
160KMPH?? On a dirt road, on a bike this heavy?? If this is true then it was looking for kak.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Ant on January 24, 2013, 09:25:29 pm
Whatever the circumstances, a tragedy. RIP Kevin
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 24, 2013, 11:49:08 pm

One of the Wilddog forum members, who was involved with the launch was driving directly behind Ken when the accident happend.


Jan?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Heimer on January 25, 2013, 12:41:12 am

One of the Wilddog forum members, who was involved with the launch was driving directly behind Ken when the accident happend.


Jan?

Not this Jan  ;)
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Post by: DirtCopper on January 25, 2013, 01:38:42 am
RIP :(
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: White Rhino on January 25, 2013, 03:30:46 am
One of the Wilddog forum members, who was involved with the launch was driving directly behind Ken when the accident happend. They were doing 160km/h when Ken just left the road on a long bend.  No one is sure what happend....yet.  Sad story.

Tragic. RIP Ken

Some conclusion needs to come out of this - Technology failure, Rider error, or poor conditions ? :o
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: skydiver on January 25, 2013, 05:18:40 am
RIP.
Condolences to the family.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Teapot on January 25, 2013, 06:41:37 am
160!!! Juslyk that's a bit much in Baviaans, or any dirt road.
I seriously don't think it was technical or rider error. Could be his health that erred and his heart maybe. What other reason for just leaving the road???
Very sad news and with all the bikers going down lately its just so sad. Maybe the big G upstairs is starting a bike club. 
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: King Louis on January 25, 2013, 09:13:58 am
That is rough, very rough. On that stretch, that speed is possible. The one and only problem is that no ATGATT whatsoever can help you in that situation and the laws of physics take over if anything goes wrong. Imagine you are riding the Baviaans for a couple of hours, sand, gravel, dongas, ruts, watercrossings and you feel over the moon, then that open stretch invites you to open up. It's fun. I can imagine plenty of dogs either doing the same if not having done exactly the same, not so.......?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: J-dog on January 25, 2013, 09:15:34 am
That is rough, very rough. On that stretch, that speed is possible. The one and only problem is that no ATGATT whatsoever can help you in that situation and the laws of physics take over if anything goes wrong. Imagine you are riding the Baviaans for a couple of hours, sand, gravel, dongas, ruts, watercrossings and you feel over the moon, then that open stretch invites you to open up. It's fun. I can imagine plenty of dogs either doing the same if not having done exactly the same, not so.......?

yep that's a 200 km/h stretch through beautiful open karoo.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 25, 2013, 09:43:53 am
Guys, when you do fast speeds on gravel as most of us do on the odd occasion (KLR riders excluded  :imaposer:) the difference between "Whiiieeeeeeee!!!" and "OMG!!!" is measured in fractions of a second. We have all come very, very close to the edge and there's really very little between an ambulance and a war story an hour later at the next waterhole. There but for the grace of God...

Just losing concentration for one second could mean you leave the road with dire consequences.

I am assuming (more like speculating) the following - well aware that I could make an ass of myself:

1. The bikes were equipped with Anakee type tyres - not the ideal for gravel.
2. Having been on a number of these launches I know that many do not spare the horses, so to speak. This isn't wrong or reckless, taking the skill and experience of many of these riders into consideration. It just means that when something goes wrong it can have disastrous consequences.
3. One can only speculate how experienced a UK-based motorcycling writer is with doing high-speed gravel on a big bike. Unless he had an enduro/dirt bike background it couldn't have been that much.

Still, it's tragic.

RIP Kevin.  :-[
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Grrrr.... on January 25, 2013, 10:06:17 am
R.I.P.  :'(

January was a rough month...
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Kameel on January 25, 2013, 11:01:29 am
Guys, when you do fast speeds on gravel as most of us do on the odd occasion (KLR riders excluded  :imaposer:) the difference between "Whiiieeeeeeee!!!" and "OMG!!!" is measured in fractions of a second. We have all come very, very close to the edge and there's really very little between an ambulance and a war story an hour later at the next waterhole. There but for the grace of God...

Just losing concentration for one second could mean you leave the road with dire consequences.

I am assuming (more like speculating) the following - well aware that I could make an ass of myself:

1. The bikes were equipped with Anakee type tyres - not the ideal for gravel.
2. Having been on a number of these launches I know that many do not spare the horses, so to speak. This isn't wrong or reckless, taking the skill and experience of many of these riders into consideration. It just means that when something goes wrong it can have disastrous consequences.
3. One can only speculate how experienced a UK-based motorcycling writer is with doing high-speed gravel on a big bike. Unless he had an enduro/dirt bike background it couldn't have been that much.

Still, it's tragic.

RIP Kevin.  :-[

Dit maak sin. 'n Ongeluk gebeur in 'n oogwink en dit kon netsowel enigeen van ons gewees het.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 25, 2013, 11:12:51 am
Exactly. Moenie te veel daarin probeer lees nie.

Behalwe dat:

a) Dit met enigeen van ons ook kon gebeur het; en
b) Dit hartseer is as iemand sterf.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: DRAZIL on January 25, 2013, 11:14:02 am
That is rough, very rough. On that stretch, that speed is possible. The one and only problem is that no ATGATT whatsoever can help you in that situation and the laws of physics take over if anything goes wrong. Imagine you are riding the Baviaans for a couple of hours, sand, gravel, dongas, ruts, watercrossings and you feel over the moon, then that open stretch invites you to open up. It's fun. I can imagine plenty of dogs either doing the same if not having done exactly the same, not so.......?

yep that's a 200 km/h stretch through beautiful open karoo.
like you would know  :spitcoffee: :lol8:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: JC on January 25, 2013, 11:19:01 am
Exactly. Moenie te veel daarin probeer lees nie.

Behalwe dat:

a) Dit met enigeen van ons ook kon gebeur het; en
b) Dit hartseer is as iemand sterf.
+1

RIP Kevin
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: roxenz on January 25, 2013, 11:25:47 am
Exactly. Moenie te veel daarin probeer lees nie.

Behalwe dat:

a) Dit met enigeen van ons ook kon gebeur het; en
b) Dit hartseer is as iemand sterf.

Zegactly.  It could have been a bus in London.  We don't live forever.  Better to celebrate what he was and what he achieved.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mooi Rooi on January 25, 2013, 11:26:39 am
So sad  :xxbah: :xxbah:

R.I.P
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Iron Shark on January 25, 2013, 11:29:36 am
Very Sad....

R.I.P Kevin
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Buddy on January 25, 2013, 11:31:10 am
RIP
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: sting on January 25, 2013, 11:35:48 am
RIP. Very sad.

Dit kon met enige iemand gebeur het, BUT

160km/h op 'n pad wat jy NIE ken nie? Just asking.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Kaboef on January 25, 2013, 12:09:26 pm
This is very sad, but I think a lesson can be learned here - without disrespect to the rider.

Laws of physics says that at 160 on a 250kg bike on gravel with road tyres in dust, you have one foot in Valhalla already.

RIP

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Welsh on January 25, 2013, 12:17:39 pm
It is physicallly not that easy to do much more on Gravel standing on Annakees as the grip often loses out to wind reistance and you are just spinning the rear.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 25, 2013, 01:52:57 pm
SOUTHERN CAPE NEWS - One of the top motoring journalists in the world, Kevin Ash (53) died in a motorcycle accident on Tuesday evening (22 January) at 19:15 on the Baviaanskloof road near Uniondale.

Ash was staying in the Hyatt Hotel at Oubaai as a guest of BMW Motorrad for the international press launch of the latest BMW R1200 GS motorcycle. As part of the launch the journalists, who all stay at Oubaai Hyatt, were treated to daily rides in the area.

According to the police, it seems that Ash, the motorcycling correspondent of the Daily Telegraph in England and a fellow journalist, both lost control of their motorcycles on the gravel road and were thrown from their bikes. Ash died on the scene while the other journalist was taken to Mediclinic George. The spokesperson for Mediclinic George was not available for comment.

A case of culpable homicide is being investigated.

Head of Communications of BMW SA, Guy Kilfoil told the George Herald Ashís death is a great loss to the motorcycle industry. ďKevinís death comes as a great shock to all of us. He was simply the most fantastically brilliant, witty, family man. It is just so sad, but he realised like most bikers that biking is a hazardous pastime. Our thoughts are with his wife and three daughters and we are doing everything in our power to help them through this difficult time.Ē

Kilfoil says all indications are that Ash died instantly and he was declared dead on the scene. At the time of the accident, Ash was riding with four bikers of a group of 20 international journalists currently here for the launch. BMW has booked the Hyatt as the base for the 300 odd journalists who are attending the launch between mid-January and mid-February.

According to Kilfoil, Ashís remains will be flown back to England as soon as the coroner in Oudtshoorn releases his body,

His wife and daughters are yet to decide if they will come to South Africa.

Kilfoil says out of respect to Ash and his family the launch of the new motorcycle has been postponed until next week and should resume on Monday.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 25, 2013, 01:55:17 pm
That is the road I refered to earlier.

And at 19:15 the sun would have been setting in their faces. That is still about 100km from the Hyatt. Seems they were running late.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: arno on January 25, 2013, 02:01:34 pm
What does all the speculation help ?
Why not wait for the facts and then go for the guy ?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: cocky on January 25, 2013, 02:09:39 pm
RIP
This is truely sad news, but as it was said before by his family, he die doing what he loves.
The concern about the speed on gravel is something I don't understand, we are all guilty of "gooing mielies" I certainly do, however it is done with due care and always kitted, ATGATT is a given.
The truth will filter through, for now we need to understand his families pain and feel for the loss.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Avontier on January 25, 2013, 02:21:17 pm
RIP
This is truely sad news, but as it was said before by his family, he die doing what he loves.
The concern about the speed on gravel is something I don't understand, we are all guilty of "gooing mielies" I certainly do, however it is done with due care and always kitted, ATGATT is a given.
The truth will filter through, for now we need to understand his families pain and feel for the loss.

Dis juis nie wat hulle sÍ nie.  Hulle sÍ sy familie was sy eerste liefde.  :deal:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Chrissie B on January 25, 2013, 02:26:40 pm

RIP Kevin Ash.  A tragic loss to his family, friends and colleagues.

It is always bad to hear this type of news, but anythig can happen to anyone at any time, a motorcycle is just a bit more dangerous than walking down the stairs or taking a shower, but people have died doing that too! 

Personally I have never ridden faster than 120kms on a gravel road, and even then I scare myself and slow down again... gravel is just too unpredictable to want to go so fast!

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: cocky on January 25, 2013, 02:28:24 pm
RIP
This is truely sad news, but as it was said before by his family, he die doing what he loves.
The concern about the speed on gravel is something I don't understand, we are all guilty of "gooing mielies" I certainly do, however it is done with due care and always kitted, ATGATT is a given.
The truth will filter through, for now we need to understand his families pain and feel for the loss.

Dis juis nie wat hulle sÍ nie.  Hulle sÍ sy familie was sy eerste liefde.  :deal:
Dit was volgens BBC radio, shoot me!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Avontier on January 25, 2013, 02:48:42 pm
Gaan staan langs 2SD voor die firing squad.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Laban on January 25, 2013, 04:10:48 pm
Hulle se hulle vreet skille

Glo sy dogter het hierdie opmerking gemaak! Snaaks as dit jou brood en botter is/was, weet nie!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 25, 2013, 04:36:58 pm
RIP
This is truely sad news, but as it was said before by his family, he die doing what he loves.
The concern about the speed on gravel is something I don't understand, we are all guilty of "gooing mielies" I certainly do, however it is done with due care and always kitted, ATGATT is a given.
The truth will filter through, for now we need to understand his families pain and feel for the loss.

Dis juis nie wat hulle sÍ nie.  Hulle sÍ sy familie was sy eerste liefde.  :deal:

a post on Kevins website by his daughter

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: cheesy on January 25, 2013, 04:48:13 pm
From the various articles written by Kevin he came across as, un-biased, well informed and a different sense of humor.
It's not about 160km/hr on the road/gravel, it's about a wife and 3 girls who have lost a loved one, absolutely tragic and painful.
Ride that golden highway in the sky Kevin.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 25, 2013, 05:18:31 pm
Check my reply#61. No firing squad for me thank you very much.
What I notice in this thread is how the majority seems to be OK with the excess speed on a public dirt road. BUT let a superbike rider do the same on a public road, and he is toast.
One sure thing, those that say it can happen to anyone is very wrong. 2SD on his XT can never crash at 160kmph. :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: SGB on January 25, 2013, 05:27:23 pm
Slangvelle on die bikes.  At 2.5 bar + traction becomes very problematic on gravel.  I don't know what happened, but it is easy to make mistakes at speed.

RIP Kevin. Sad indeed.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: J-dog on January 25, 2013, 05:38:51 pm
bikes are dangerous. simple as that. RIP boet.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Andre.Bike on January 25, 2013, 05:43:08 pm
Dit is baie tragies, RIP
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 25, 2013, 07:36:16 pm
Tragic indeed. From all reports a highly respected and skilled motorcyclist and journo, with a generous and adventurous spirit.
RIP and strength to those he left behind.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hinksding on January 25, 2013, 08:14:06 pm
As 160 te vinnig is op 'n grondpad, dan is daar baie ouens op die forum wat met die swart kar se starter speel...


One of the Wilddog forum members, who was involved with the launch was driving directly behind Ken when the accident happend.


Jan?

Nope
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: nielvn on January 25, 2013, 08:27:46 pm
Really sad, just hope there will be full INDEPENDENT investigation done into possible metallurgical or mechanical failure.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: hayleyscomet on January 25, 2013, 09:01:39 pm
Really sad, just hope there will be full INDEPENDENT investigation done into possible metallurgical or mechanical failure.

Hmmmm KAK suggestion bro.

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 25, 2013, 09:04:46 pm
Really sad, just hope there will be full INDEPENDENT investigation done into possible metallurgical or mechanical failure.
Hmmmm KAK suggestion bro.

+1
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Odd Dog on January 25, 2013, 09:06:31 pm
Agreed!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: nielvn on January 25, 2013, 09:55:50 pm
Common pratice in major accidents where lives are lost.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 25, 2013, 11:09:51 pm
But not with BMW, here we cover up the crap. Not saying it was the bike's fault, but if it was it would not be the first. Maybe Gin and Teutonic?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: spoedvark on January 25, 2013, 11:31:41 pm
Slangvelle on die bikes.  At 2.5 bar + traction becomes very problematic on gravel.  I don't know what happened, but it is easy to make mistakes at speed.

RIP Kevin. Sad indeed.

RIP Kevin.

This pic of the bikes shows that the tyres were not even Anakees as previously summised. These bikes look like they have road tyres on. So I guess 160 on the dirt withj them would not be a great idea.

Condolences to the family!!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: spoedvark on January 25, 2013, 11:32:26 pm
Sorry, pic did not come with?????
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Problem_Child on January 25, 2013, 11:51:37 pm
Slangvelle on die bikes.  At 2.5 bar + traction becomes very problematic on gravel.  I don't know what happened, but it is easy to make mistakes at speed.

RIP Kevin. Sad indeed.

RIP Kevin.

This pic of the bikes shows that the tyres were not even Anakees as previously summised. These bikes look like they have road tyres on. So I guess 160 on the dirt withj them would not be a great idea.

Condolences to the family!!


Two riders falling at the same time/place suggests to me that they encountered something abnormal in either the road conditions, or the environment. I doubt that the tyres were solely to blame, but may certainly have complicated an emergency maneuver if indeed they were road tyres.

There will be speculation and I think that's natural, we all would like to know what exactly what happened. 

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 26, 2013, 02:48:25 am
I agree with Problem Child, We dont know they were going 160km/hr, that is speculation. What we know is two people crashed and given a case of culpable homocide was opened I would guess that maybe the front guy crashed and caused Kevin to crash too. I doubt it was intentional, and hope it is closed as fast as it was opened.

I dont really think we will learn much from this anyway. We all know what the risks are of riding. Some things are just not for us to know.

Condolences to the family and friends.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: n0b0dy on January 26, 2013, 05:31:15 am
Dis moo it mooi nie. RIP Kevin.
Ek wonder of die bike ok is. Vra maar net.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Gat Slag on January 26, 2013, 07:02:23 am
RIP Kevin
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: TK-Ten on January 26, 2013, 07:46:08 am
R I P Kevin .
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BennNevis on January 26, 2013, 09:09:27 am
RIP Kevin

The ass-like comments from the predictable one or two, refrain from this please. Have a bit of respect, if not for the killed rider then at least his family who might well
read your insensitive comments.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Stoetbul on January 26, 2013, 09:29:16 am
RIP Kevin

The ass-like comments from the predictable one or two, refrain from this please. Have a bit of respect, if not for the killed rider then at least his family who might well
read your insensitive comments.
AMEN............ :'(
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: melvman on January 26, 2013, 11:02:38 am
Slangvelle on die bikes.  At 2.5 bar + traction becomes very problematic on gravel.  I don't know what happened, but it is easy to make mistakes at speed.

RIP Kevin. Sad indeed.

Looks like road-biased tyres are fitted in Europe as standard kit? I'm sure the guy in IC will tell us what he knows, when he is ready.
My respect and condolences to Kev's family.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hanno @ Mad Macs on January 26, 2013, 12:37:27 pm
Heard some rumours in the shop today. Not sure if it is a good plan to post what I heard in an open forum like this.

RIP Kevin. It is sad when a family loses a husband and father.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BennNevis on January 26, 2013, 01:48:22 pm
Heard some rumours in the shop today. Not sure if it is a good plan to post what I heard in an open forum like this.

RIP Kevin. It is sad when a family loses a husband and father.

rumours are  rumours and have no place to be spread in this environment, as so far as road tyres I saw two bikes that certainly did not have road tyres fitted, again bloody rumours and people perpetuating such rubbish.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 26, 2013, 06:40:26 pm
RIP Kevin

The ass-like comments from the predictable one or two, refrain from this please. Have a bit of respect, if not for the killed rider then at least his family who might well
read your insensitive comments.

You ask for respect, but call others comments "ass-like"? And predictable. Ouch.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BennNevis on January 26, 2013, 06:50:35 pm
RIP Kevin

The ass-like comments from the predictable one or two, refrain from this please. Have a bit of respect, if not for the killed rider then at least his family who might well
read your insensitive comments.

You ask for respect, but call others comments "ass-like"? And predictable. Ouch.
If the shoe fits dan, then it fits- ouch  you say
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 26, 2013, 08:29:01 pm
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 26, 2013, 08:33:25 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 26, 2013, 08:46:02 pm
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.

Kon jy die tydjie afknyp by die name-dropping thread? Merk op jou heel laaste 4-woord sin. respek vir wie?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 26, 2013, 08:51:38 pm
Also, if you care to read, the thread heading says; UK journo killed on watercooled GS launch. :ricky:
It does not say; UK journo killed, pay your respect OR fuckoff.

Until BMW has explained what has happened here, rumour will flourish, ESPECIALLY since BMW has had faulty/inadequate ABS problems before.
Jacko dit werk so;
Jy tik n kak brief soos die, MAAR dan sit jy hom op ys en lees die volgende dag. Dan merk jy op watse kak jy kwytgeraak het, bloos n diepskarlaken op jou eie, en niemand weet nie. ::)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Vis Arend on January 26, 2013, 09:00:27 pm
RIP Kevin
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 26, 2013, 09:03:07 pm
Also read reply #71. If they were doing this speed, then this thread is already a pile of hypocritical bullshit. How often has it been pointed out how it is Darwin at work when a superbike rider speeds on tar? Now this man ALLEGEDLY travelled on gravel at 160 and it is not Darwin at work, but a force worthy of huge respect??
If I get threatened with a ban on this, then really, make it permanent.
I feel for this journalist, but if he headered a frien or family of mine, or any of yours, he would surely be called all manner of names.
Do not play hypocrit.
He broke the law, he paid the price. No more no less. Have'nt you seen the signboards; "Speed kills"?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BliknÍrs on January 26, 2013, 09:17:23 pm
RIP Kevin.
RIP thread...
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 26, 2013, 09:19:18 pm
Yes, RIP thread, until we know what has happened.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: spoedvark on January 26, 2013, 10:54:48 pm
RIP Kevin.
RIP thread...

I 2nd that!!

Well said Blikners!!!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: JustBendIt on January 27, 2013, 05:24:50 am
That is a beautiful - and fast - piece of road where the "accident" happened
- a lekker smooth and loose gravel surface with some nice gentle humps on it that you can get lekker air and some gentle sweeping bends where you can see your gat if you are not paying attention

A 650 Dakar will top out in 5th gear and bounce off the rev limiter at 190 (measured on a GPS) - I know because I did this on that same piece of road in 2007

Was I stupid and reckless ? hell YES (and I probably still am)

Did I deserve to die for doing this ? I would like to think NO (but others will disagree)

I am a fatalist and fully believe your "passing" is pre-ordained somewhere - sure you can speed it up and bring that date forward by doing stupid things - but ultimately when the Big Man says your time is up then your time is up

I don't believe for 1 second there was any "failure" on Kevin Ash's test bike whatsoever - him and the other journo were simply stretching the new GS's legs after a lekker ride through Baviaans - Kevin miscalculated, cocked up and left the road and the other journo kakked himself when he saw this and put his bike down too - simple - I have seen it happen and done it myself more than once

Very unfortunately he came to a sudden stop in the veld and did not make it - RIP Kevin Ash

Tragic sad fatal accidents happen every day

To cut a long story short - My dad had a big stroke 6 weeks ago - I put him in a private frail care / convalescent home in Wynberg in Cape Town - in the high care clinic in the bed next to him was a 48 year old mother of 2 lying in a coma - she stepped off a bus in Adderley Street in October 2012 and was blown over by the wind - she hit her head on the pavement and has not woken up - the doc says she probably never will and if she does she will not be the same person - very very sad but an accident nevertheless - whose fault is this ? the bus, the bus driver, the pavement, the wind, Helen Zille's, hers ? No - it was simply an accident - there is no use trying to analyze it and look for "spooks"

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: badseed on January 27, 2013, 06:36:00 am
Just as good stuff happens so does bad shit. No matter if he was riding like a chop or on a dangerous bike or whatever his dying has left a huge hole in the lives of his loved ones and they are having a kak time . We can find something of value out of this if next time we swing a leg over our bikes we give a thought to tragic events like this and ride a little safer so that our loved ones won't be getting the same phone call.

Since  Burry died the other day I have become more vigilant on my morning bicycle rides and even taken to wearing reflective gear as a case in point. Maybe his death could save mine and others lives.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Skipskop on January 27, 2013, 07:04:40 am
Ping badseed, check your PM`s and sms`s  :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Karel Kat on January 27, 2013, 08:40:54 pm
A 650 Dakar will top out in 5th gear and bounce off the rev limiter at 190 (measured on a GPS) - I know because I did this on that same piece of road in 2007

I want one of those Dakars too...
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Pullaway on January 27, 2013, 09:04:24 pm
My condolences to the fallen biker- journo. Personally I don't think it was a planned attempt by the Germans against the allied's, but about time the krauts come up with some "hanwers" before to many rumours start?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: ahlbebuck on January 27, 2013, 09:21:32 pm
2SD: Kevin Ash seems like he was someone you may have liked...

Quote: "He was once banned from Triumph launches after they took umbridge at his opinion of a new machine. BMW, too, was not backward in expressing its disapproval of his opinions on its Telelever front suspension, nor Suzuki when he expressed disquiet with the notorious rotary damper on its TL1000."

Not just a BMW thing...

Quote: "Then there was the infamous KTM launch where, as Kevin admitted, he misjudged a corner on a winding Alpine route and slid off the road on to a gravel-surfaced car park. The machine dug in and spun to a halt, while Kevin slid clean across the car park and off the edge of a cliff. "I thought that was my day," he recounted as he explained how he landed on a small ledge, winded but otherwise unharmed."
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 28, 2013, 07:23:50 am
No reason that I can see why I would not have liked the man.
Since boyhood I have been amazed how people lose most ability to reason when dealing with death. Here it is the same. If Hinksding's post was correct, and they were indeed doing
highly illegal speeds on a public road, then I see no way open to pay respect. Respect for his life, and his life's work yes, but this last act of irresponsibility should not earn him respect.
And the argument that we all speed on public roads simply makes all that do criminals, it does not make breaking the law OK.
This is what Jacko and quite a few do not grasp.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bensien on January 28, 2013, 03:23:05 pm
I have received a first hand confirmation from people present at the launch that the BMW press release is factually correct. The accident was definitely not caused by excessive speed. So unless the person who came up with the 160kph figure can back it up, this whole discussion is pointless.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 28, 2013, 03:30:04 pm
Thanks for that Bensien.

Actually threads like this where there seems to be such a lack of empathy and tactless remarks makes me a little ashamed to be a WD.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Snafu on January 28, 2013, 03:46:01 pm
Thanks for that Bensien.

Actually threads like this where there seems to be such a lack of empathy and tactless remarks makes me a little ashamed to be a WD.

I agree :(
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Operator on January 28, 2013, 03:46:17 pm
It is called an accident, and sometimes it happens when you get on to a bike or into a car.

So Mr Ash had an unfortunate accident and he died.

It called life...............and it happens.


Can't really see why this thread is on page 8 already if it was not for condolences. 8)



Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: ETS on January 28, 2013, 03:49:36 pm
Thanks for that Bensien.

Actually threads like this where there seems to be such a lack of empathy and tactless remarks makes me a little ashamed to be a WD.

 agree.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 28, 2013, 03:50:32 pm
Yeah I think it should probably be locked IMHO. Just becoming distasteful.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: badseed on January 28, 2013, 04:12:29 pm
And I guess the truth will never out . If it ever came to light that perhaps the boys were doing the suggested 180kph it might open BMW up to a very costly damages claim and also void insurance claims. My guess is the journos never once went over 100kph.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Moondog on January 28, 2013, 04:17:37 pm
And I guess the truth will never out . If it ever came to light that perhaps the boys were doing the suggested 180kph it might open BMW up to a very costly damages claim and also void insurance claims. My guess is the journos never once went over 100kph.
Who ever suggested 180kmh? What is it with people on this thread that they need to make up their own story? Seriously, a well respected biker died - it's a sad day. Why filthy the story with unsubstantiated, and sometimes completely imagined drivel?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Offshore on January 28, 2013, 04:42:41 pm
Thanks for that Bensien.

Actually threads like this where there seems to be such a lack of empathy and tactless remarks makes me a little ashamed to be a WD.
Agreed. :thumleft:
All of us should just remember that this can happen to any of us at any time. Adventure riding is not a walk in the Park as most of us have been on the ragged edge and I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night, sweat pouring down my Body from the shit I caused on the previous day with excessive speed. I is fucked up and senseless to hint and insinuate about the Bike or the Rider. A man has lost his Life. RIP 
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: sting on January 28, 2013, 04:48:46 pm
And I guess the truth will never out . If it ever came to light that perhaps the boys were doing the suggested 180kph it might open BMW up to a very costly damages claim and also void insurance claims. My guess is the journos never once went over 100kph.
Who ever suggested 180kmh? What is it with people on this thread that they need to make up their own story? Seriously, a well respected biker died - it's a sad day. Why filthy the story with unsubstantiated, and sometimes completely imagined drivel?

In all fairness. While everyone is crucifying 2SD, someone else posted the speed thing (160km/h) quoted by some secret person supposedly there at the time. so if someone posts something as fact, why blame him for responding to it?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Teapot on January 28, 2013, 05:03:32 pm
Moondog Tony my friend your damn right. Why is everyone bitching and moaning??? Let him Rest and his family mourn. Too many dogs with massive chips on there shoulders and looking to vent.
Like I said before when a great Dakar rider, or super biker or even a family member or best friend do you curse and moan and fling crap at there memories. Come on guys!!!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: DRAZIL on January 28, 2013, 05:05:52 pm
heat fatigued could have played a serious roll here as the kloof was extremely hot that week.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 28, 2013, 05:11:50 pm
And I guess the truth will never out . If it ever came to light that perhaps the boys were doing the suggested 180kph it might open BMW up to a very costly damages claim and also void insurance claims. My guess is the journos never once went over 100kph.
Who ever suggested 180kmh? What is it with people on this thread that they need to make up their own story? Seriously, a well respected biker died - it's a sad day. Why filthy the story with unsubstantiated, and sometimes completely imagined drivel?

In all fairness. While everyone is crucifying 2SD, someone else posted the speed thing (160km/h) quoted by some secret person supposedly there at the time. so if someone posts something as fact, why blame him for responding to it?

well, once he heard the other possibility (100km/h), probably from a more reliable source, he chose to ignore it

..... and I have to wonder, what 2SD's stance would have been if it happened at a Yamaha launch
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 28, 2013, 05:54:19 pm
I have received a first hand confirmation from people present at the launch that the BMW press release is factually correct. The accident was definitely not caused by excessive speed. So unless the person who came up with the 160kph figure can back it up, this whole discussion is pointless.

Today I actually spoke to someone involved with the launch.

The 160km/h bit is hogwash.

So I lay down this challenge: If you have any proof of this, please contact the relevant police in that area to assist with their investigation. Your help to expose this case of reckless riding would be highly appreciated.  :thumleft:

If you cannot provide proof or aren't willing to testify then please butt out. As for those reacting on rumours, I have already stated my sentiments.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: oo7 on January 28, 2013, 06:08:36 pm
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.

Bwhoooo ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

 :imaposer:

Dit is die post van die jaar!!!

Oom Danie - ek kon nie glo jy hap toe wragtag aan die aas nie . . .
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 28, 2013, 07:15:30 pm
Blarry BMW-slet, pffft.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: teebag on January 28, 2013, 07:26:48 pm
Sad whatever the speed, but i doubt BMW would admit 160
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 1ougat on January 28, 2013, 08:42:56 pm
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.

Bwhoooo ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

 :imaposer:

Dit is die post van die jaar!!!

Oom Danie - ek kon nie glo jy hap toe wragtag aan die aas nie . . .


Jacko - respect broer .... nou verstaan ek hoekom jy skryf - jy vat die woorde raak vir ons almal

Ek dink hier kom n +1000  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: FATO on January 28, 2013, 08:56:49 pm
And I guess the truth will never out . If it ever came to light that perhaps the boys were doing the suggested 180kph it might open BMW up to a very costly damages claim and also void insurance claims. My guess is the journos never once went over 100kph.
Who ever suggested 180kmh? What is it with people on this thread that they need to make up their own story? Seriously, a well respected biker died - it's a sad day. Why filthy the story with unsubstantiated, and sometimes completely imagined drivel?


In all fairness. While everyone is crucifying 2SD, someone else posted the speed thing (160km/h) quoted by some secret person supposedly there at the time. so if someone posts something as fact, why blame him for responding to it?

well, once he heard the other possibility (100km/h), probably from a more reliable source, he chose to ignore it

..... and I have to wonder, what 2SD's stance would have been if it happened at a Yamaha launch

We all know the answer Bundu, quite retorical...deafening silence.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: IDR on January 28, 2013, 09:07:28 pm
He can't come to the phone right now.  Banned due to an unrelated matter.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Just Blip It! on January 28, 2013, 09:09:55 pm
Let the man RIP.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 28, 2013, 09:10:12 pm
He can't come to the phone right now.  Banned due to an unrelated matter.

 :lol8:  I doubt he would have replied to my points in any case...   :bueller:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mzee on January 29, 2013, 02:30:19 am
Sad. Go in Peace!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Fudmucker on January 29, 2013, 04:16:43 am
RIP Kevin.  :'(
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: GEE-SH on January 29, 2013, 07:44:43 am
Wee jy!! partykeer kan ek nie glo wat se kak ek op die forum raaklees nie - party posts op die forum is partykeer erger as artikels in Peoples Magazine of Huisgenoot - elke tweede d%s het n opinie oor alles en kan self nie eers jammer voel vir iemand se lewe wat ge-eindig het nie.........Party ouens het nou maar eenmaal moerse inferiority complexes en 'n forum soos die is die idiale magneet vir sulke tipes - dit is n plek waar hulle, hulle selfesteem kan boost deur kontroversie uit te lok en kak te soek.   >:(
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: seajaykay on January 29, 2013, 07:50:06 am
Die forum is maar net 'n mikrokosmos van die lewe. elke tweede idiot het sy opinie - oops doen ek dit ook - live and let live.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Stofdonkie on January 29, 2013, 08:04:35 am
Why is there a case of culpable homicide?

Is it std procedure even if it was a single vehicle accident?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 29, 2013, 08:16:37 am
RIP 2SD.  :'( 


:laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: 1ougat on January 29, 2013, 08:18:47 am
RIP 2SD.  :'( 


:laughing4: :laughing4:

 :thumleft: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 29, 2013, 08:25:16 am
Die forum is maar net 'n mikrokosmos van die lewe. elke tweede idiot het sy opinie - oops doen ek dit ook - live and let live.

Ja boet - You know what they say about opinions ... they are like arseholes ... everyone has one! (ask 2SD he knows)  8)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mr Zog on January 29, 2013, 08:39:26 am
Why is there a case of culpable homicide?

Is it std procedure even if it was a single vehicle accident?

Yip, the SAPS has to investigate the death.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Karel Kat on January 29, 2013, 08:45:04 am
Why is there a case of culpable homicide?
Is it std procedure even if it was a single vehicle accident?
Yip, the SAPS has to investigate the death.

I'm not sure but should it not in this case be a "geregtelike doodsondersoek" (can't remember the English term) rather than a culpable homicide? Culpable homicide is possibly only applicable when another party is involved whereas a GO has to be done in all cases of unnatural death.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 29, 2013, 08:53:29 am
I have no 1st hand info. I heard a rumour that the bikes were in the accident together. That could explain the culpable homicide case.

Since I don't KNOW this for sure, I regard it to be just that. A rumour.

What is clear is that BMW do not want to make more info available. Some people on this thread spoke to people directly involved and they don't want to elaborate or even tell what they've heard. I do not know any specifics or the reason's for the secrecy, but the speculation will not stop. It's natural for people to wonder what happened, especially if it's being kept a secret.

It's a pity because at first it was said to be "out of respect for the family", but now it hurts more than it helps I'm afraid.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Pullaway on January 29, 2013, 09:01:09 am
Between Zuma's secrecy bill and now BMWs as well - we'll soon know nothing! Won't be surprised if we see BMW's with showerheads soon! :eek7: They now do have the plumming already!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Gťrrard on January 29, 2013, 09:03:15 am
Why is there a case of culpable homicide?
Is it std procedure even if it was a single vehicle accident?
Yip, the SAPS has to investigate the death.

I'm not sure but should it not in this case be a "geregtelike doodsondersoek" (can't remember the English term) rather than a culpable homicide? Culpable homicide is possibly only applicable when another party is involved whereas a GO has to be done in all cases of unnatural death.

"Inquest"
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Stofdonkie on January 29, 2013, 09:05:58 am
Why is there a case of culpable homicide?
Is it std procedure even if it was a single vehicle accident?
Yip, the SAPS has to investigate the death.

I'm not sure but should it not in this case be a "geregtelike doodsondersoek" (can't remember the English term) rather than a culpable homicide? Culpable homicide is possibly only applicable when another party is involved whereas a GO has to be done in all cases of unnatural death.

"Inquest"

Jup - as hulle 'culpable homicide' ondersoek, beteken dit dat daar 'n ander persoon betrokke was?
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bensien on January 29, 2013, 09:06:44 am
What is clear is that BMW do not want to make more info available. Some people on this thread spoke to people directly involved and they don't want to elaborate or even tell what they've heard. I do not know any specifics or the reason's for the secrecy, but the speculation will not stop. It's natural for people to wonder what happened, especially if it's being kept a secret.


At this moment, there still isnít a definite answer as to what happened. There isnít any secrecy. The known facts have been stated.  Anything else would be rumours and speculation.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hooli on January 29, 2013, 09:48:54 am
The SAPS has to open a case if any person is killed on the road. That is standard procedure.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 29, 2013, 11:07:43 am
What is clear is that BMW do not want to make more info available. Some people on this thread spoke to people directly involved and they don't want to elaborate or even tell what they've heard. I do not know any specifics or the reason's for the secrecy, but the speculation will not stop. It's natural for people to wonder what happened, especially if it's being kept a secret.


At this moment, there still isnít a definite answer as to what happened. There isnít any secrecy. The known facts have been stated.  Anything else would be rumours and speculation.

No it hasn't. There were two bikes. People were there / helped the riders etc. Whether the bikes touched / rode into each other / fell independently because of a road hazard, will be known. That would not be speculation.

If the rider hit a buck, surely the statement would have said the rider hit a buck.

Now nothing is said. Not even the name of the second rider is known. Nothing. "To protect the family".

(http://www.saforums.co.za/rlt/Smileys/default/icon_scratch.gif)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Stofdonkie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:50 am
The SAPS has to open a case if any person is killed on the road. That is standard procedure.

Wasn't the question.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hoorn on January 29, 2013, 11:23:40 am
The SAPS has to open a case if any person is killed on the road. That is standard procedure.

Wasn't the question.
As daar 'n saak van strafbare manslag (culpable homicide) ondersoek word, vermoed die Polisie dat daar iemand anders betrokke was.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Hoorn on January 29, 2013, 11:28:36 am
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.
Wat my betref, is die bostaande onsmaaklik met platvloerse taalgebruik en hoort dit nie op 'n "thread" waar onder meer eer betoon word aan iemand wat gesterf het nie.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 29, 2013, 11:38:10 am
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.
Wat my betref, is die bostaande onsmaaklik met platvloerse taalgebruik en hoort dit nie op 'n "thread" waar onder meer eer betoon word aan iemand wat gesterf het nie.


ek kan amper nie wag om dan jou opinie te hoor oor die posts wat aanleiding gegee het tot die post waarna jy verwys.....  ??? ::)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Offshore on January 29, 2013, 11:41:03 am
Danie dit werk so:

Iemand is dood. Dis moerse hartseer.

So of jy betoon meegevoel en respek of jy fokof.

Veral as jy dit een van jou afgesaagde anti-BMW tirades maak. Dis afgesaag, stupid, irriterend, oningelig en fokken afgesaag. O, ek het dit al gese. Seker omdat dit SO FOKKEN AFGESAAG is.

Die meeste van ons stel nie belang in die feit dat jy 'n issue met BMW het nie. Dis jou kortpiel probleem. Gaan kla elders en betoon bietjie respek. Dan sal ons ook.

Cheers.
Wat my betref, is die bostaande onsmaaklik met platvloerse taalgebruik en hoort dit nie op 'n "thread" waar onder meer eer betoon word aan iemand wat gesterf het nie.


ek kan amper nie wag om dan jou opinie te hoor oor die posts wat aanleiding gegee het tot die post waarna jy verwys.....  ??? ::)
Ja-nee wragtig
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mooch on January 29, 2013, 03:44:50 pm
RIP.
Stop bickering boys....
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BV on January 29, 2013, 03:55:41 pm
RIP.
Stop bickering boys....


X2
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Pullaway on January 29, 2013, 04:57:48 pm
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: ahlbebuck on January 29, 2013, 05:12:38 pm
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!

More like water cooled rider from that work of art....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Vis Arend on January 29, 2013, 05:38:49 pm
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!

Ek dink nie BMW sal werklik iets se voordat die ondersoek deur die polisie afgehandel is nie, dit sal in elk geval onverantwoordelik wees.  En tien teen een is dit nie eens BMW of die fiets se skuld nie, miskien net 'n menslike fout, sienende dat daar twee fietse betrokke was.  Dis dan seker ook hoekom daar 'n strafbare manslag saak geopen is.   Die beste sal wees om te wag, en dit kan 'n lang wag wees, vir die amptelike uitslag.  Ek glo nie hier word iets weggesteek nie. 

Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Jacko on January 29, 2013, 05:40:26 pm
Ek dink nie BMW sal werklik iets se voordat die ondersoek deur die polisie afgehandel is nie, dit sal in elk geval onverantwoordelik wees.  En tien teen een is dit nie eens BMW of die fiets se skuld nie, miskien net 'n menslike fout, sienende dat daar twee fietse betrokke was.  Dis dan seker ook hoekom daar 'n strafbare manslag saak geopen is.   Die beste sal wees om te wag, en dit kan 'n lang wag wees, vir die amptelike uitslag.  Ek glo nie hier word iets weggesteek nie.  

Presies.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 29, 2013, 05:43:13 pm
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!

Ek dink nie BMW sal werklik iets se voordat die ondersoek deur die polisie afgehandel is nie, dit sal in elk geval onverantwoordelik wees.  En tien teen een is dit nie eens BMW of die fiets se skuld nie, miskien net 'n menslike fout, sienende dat daar twee fietse betrokke was.  Dis dan seker ook hoekom daar 'n strafbare manslag saak geopen is.   Die beste sal wees om te wag, en dit kan 'n lang wag wees, vir die amptelike uitslag.  Ek glo nie hier word iets weggesteek nie. 



die nugtere waarde van logika  :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Operator on January 29, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Obviously plaas die insident vir Motorrad onder geweldige druk................... as daar dalk iets fout
sou wees met die motorfiets, dan sal dit vir hulle 'n PR nagmerrie wees en kan hulle
wÍreld bemarkings-veldtog vir die nuwe GS erg in die wiele ry.

Natuurlik sal Motorrad se mense versigtig wees.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bensien on January 29, 2013, 05:54:22 pm
There has been enough stirring on this thread. There is no cover up or conspiracy. There simply isnít enough information yet. They are waiting for the coronerís report, who  in turn is waiting for lab results.  They have to consider that possibility that he could have lost control as a result of a medical condition. Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, heat exhaustion, food poisoning, medication etc. etc.  .

They have to bring in experts to analyse the defects on the bike in order to determine if any of them could be the cause of the crash or if they are all as  the result of the crash. They also have to get in experts to analyse the crash scene for clues or evidence.

The bikes were spaced out at fairly long intervals as a result of the dust. The person behind in all likelihood could not see clear enough to know exactly what happened. The injured rider will still be under sedation and in all probability wonít be able to give a proper statement,  even if he saw or remembers what happened.

There has been enough speculation and BS. My brotherís accident happened in a very similar way. 9 months later and still nobody knows exactly what happened.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Offshore on January 29, 2013, 05:58:02 pm
There has been enough stirring on this thread. There is no cover up or conspiracy. There simply isnít enough information yet. They are waiting for the coronerís report, who  in turn is waiting for lab results.  They have to consider that possibility that he could have lost control as a result of a medical condition. Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, heat exhaustion, food poisoning, medication etc. etc.  .

They have to bring in experts to analyse the defects on the bike in order to determine if any of them could be the cause of the crash or if they are all as  the result of the crash. They also have to get in experts to analyse the crash scene for clues or evidence.

The bikes were spaced out at fairly long intervals as a result of the dust. The person behind in all likelihood could not see clear enough to know exactly what happened. The injured rider will still be under sedation and in all probability wonít be able to give a proper statement,  even if he saw or remembers what happened.

There has been enough speculation and BS. My brotherís accident happened in a very similar way. 9 months later and still nobody knows exactly what happened.

Sensible post, thank you.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 29, 2013, 06:04:05 pm
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!

Pullaway you are the dickhead. How you can begin to compare Zuma with the new GS/BMW is beyond comprehension. You are entitled to your opinion but keep it in the gutter where it belongs. If there was even the slightest doubt that it may have been a mechanical failure you can be quite sure BMW would have halted the global launch immediatly. From the little info available at present 'pilot error' would be a logical guess with a fellow pilot in close formation also involved. No slang in the grass or slangolie on the road or elsewhere IMHO. A tragic accident and sad death. Los it.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Rynet on January 29, 2013, 06:04:38 pm
There has been enough stirring on this thread. There is no cover up or conspiracy. There simply isnít enough information yet. They are waiting for the coronerís report, who  in turn is waiting for lab results.  They have to consider that possibility that he could have lost control as a result of a medical condition. Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, heat exhaustion, food poisoning, medication etc. etc.  .

They have to bring in experts to analyse the defects on the bike in order to determine if any of them could be the cause of the crash or if they are all as  the result of the crash. They also have to get in experts to analyse the crash scene for clues or evidence.

The bikes were spaced out at fairly long intervals as a result of the dust. The person behind in all likelihood could not see clear enough to know exactly what happened. The injured rider will still be under sedation and in all probability wonít be able to give a proper statement,  even if he saw or remembers what happened.

There has been enough speculation and BS. My brotherís accident happened in a very similar way. 9 months later and still nobody knows exactly what happened.

Sensible post, thank you.
Agreed . Very Sensible Post.  It would be great if this thread could end on such a sensible note . 
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Gťrrard on January 29, 2013, 06:46:25 pm
There has been enough stirring on this thread. There is no cover up or conspiracy. There simply isnít enough information yet. They are waiting for the coronerís report, who  in turn is waiting for lab results.  They have to consider that possibility that he could have lost control as a result of a medical condition. Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, heat exhaustion, food poisoning, medication etc. etc.  .

They have to bring in experts to analyse the defects on the bike in order to determine if any of them could be the cause of the crash or if they are all as  the result of the crash. They also have to get in experts to analyse the crash scene for clues or evidence.

The bikes were spaced out at fairly long intervals as a result of the dust. The person behind in all likelihood could not see clear enough to know exactly what happened. The injured rider will still be under sedation and in all probability wonít be able to give a proper statement,  even if he saw or remembers what happened.

There has been enough speculation and BS. My brotherís accident happened in a very similar way. 9 months later and still nobody knows exactly what happened.

Sensible post, thank you.
Agreed . Very Sensible Post.  It would be great if this thread could end on such a sensible note . 

Very well speculated indeed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Vis Arend on January 29, 2013, 06:53:07 pm
There has been enough stirring on this thread. There is no cover up or conspiracy. There simply isn’t enough information yet. They are waiting for the coroner’s report, who  in turn is waiting for lab results.  They have to consider that possibility that he could have lost control as a result of a medical condition. Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, heat exhaustion, food poisoning, medication etc. etc.  .

They have to bring in experts to analyse the defects on the bike in order to determine if any of them could be the cause of the crash or if they are all as  the result of the crash. They also have to get in experts to analyse the crash scene for clues or evidence.

The bikes were spaced out at fairly long intervals as a result of the dust. The person behind in all likelihood could not see clear enough to know exactly what happened. The injured rider will still be under sedation and in all probability won’t be able to give a proper statement,  even if he saw or remembers what happened.

There has been enough speculation and BS. My brother’s accident happened in a very similar way. 9 months later and still nobody knows exactly what happened.

Sensible post, thank you.
Agreed . Very Sensible Post.  It would be great if this thread could end on such a sensible note . 

Very well speculated indeed  :thumleft:

+1 
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2013, 08:41:47 pm
What is clear is that BMW do not want to make more info available. Some people on this thread spoke to people directly involved and they don't want to elaborate or even tell what they've heard. I do not know any specifics or the reason's for the secrecy, but the speculation will not stop. It's natural for people to wonder what happened, especially if it's being kept a secret.


At this moment, there still isnít a definite answer as to what happened. There isnít any secrecy. The known facts have been stated.  Anything else would be rumours and speculation.

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Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Pullaway on January 30, 2013, 12:32:22 am
Well all we can say is:No Just one Jounrnalist was killed during this launch! So why do BMW keep us in the dark? Slangolie? Slang in die gras? Elk geval so begin die waterverkoelde BMW vir my lyk!

Pullaway you are the dickhead. How you can begin to compare Zuma with the new GS/BMW is beyond comprehension. You are entitled to your opinion but keep it in the gutter where it belongs. If there was even the slightest doubt that it may have been a mechanical failure you can be quite sure BMW would have halted the global launch immediately. From the little info available at present 'pilot error' would be a logical guess with a fellow pilot in close formation also involved. No slang in the grass or slangolie on the road or elsewhere IMHO. A tragic accident and sad death. Los it.
Just to clear things up, I did not try to insinuate any mechanical failure on the bike. More the lack of information  from the people that was there, as well as the organisers that concern me - much like our leader Mr.Z - story first need to go to the spin-doctors before a decent medea release are available? (Gee my net n oomblik om die waarheid uit the dink)
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mzee on January 30, 2013, 03:48:15 am
I am ashamed of some of the dogs here.  How do you spin information about a dead man?  Why not be patient and wait until the appropriate authorities give us information.  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 30, 2013, 07:11:30 am
I think the namecalling is uncalled for. personal attacks are not allowed.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Rynet on January 30, 2013, 07:15:21 am
I think the namecalling is uncalled for. personal attacks are not allowed.

Personally , in this case, I think Pullaway asked for it . >:D 
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: whitedelight on January 30, 2013, 07:21:07 am
I personally do not like to comment on matters like these without all the facts at hand.It is an unfortunate incident but I will happily wait to see the official findings.There are far too many permutations in this case for me to speculate what could have happened.
This thread will be 30 pages long in a short while ,and noone will be any closer to the truth.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 30, 2013, 07:30:45 am
RIV.  Sterkte aan die familie en vriende.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: BiG DoM on January 30, 2013, 08:28:28 am
I think the namecalling is uncalled for. personal attacks are not allowed.

Apologies I meant SHOWERhead ... must have been a slip of the finger, momentary lapse in concentration, had Zuma on my mind...
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: jimjim on January 30, 2013, 01:17:51 pm
Reading Kevin Duke's review of the new R1200GS on motorcycle.com:

"However, the GS did disappoint me during a casual ride down an open dirt road. I was standing up to get cool air through my riding gear, traveling about 45 mph, when I encountered a washboard section. In an instant and with seemingly no provocation, the bike went into a wild tankslapper that threatened to throw me from the bike. It was a very panicked second before the steering regained its composure.
We canít yet say for certain this is a problem with the bike, but another journalist reported a similar experience when he was riding while standing."

Link: http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/2013-bmw-r1200gs-review-91507.html

Haven't seen any other reviewers mentioned this issue (yet).
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Bundu on January 30, 2013, 01:46:48 pm
Reading Kevin Duke's review of the new R1200GS on motorcycle.com:

"However, the GS did disappoint me during a casual ride down an open dirt road. I was standing up to get cool air through my riding gear, traveling about 45 mph, when I encountered a washboard section. In an instant and with seemingly no provocation, the bike went into a wild tankslapper that threatened to throw me from the bike. It was a very panicked second before the steering regained its composure.
We canít yet say for certain this is a problem with the bike, but another journalist reported a similar experience when he was riding while standing."

Link: http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/2013-bmw-r1200gs-review-91507.html

Haven't seen any other reviewers mentioned this issue (yet).

http://canadamotoguide.com/2013/01/28/launch-bmw-r1200gs/


"The only hiccup in the bikeís handling is a possible tendency to shake its head while standing on the footpegs over rough terrain. On a couple of occasions while standing, hitting a succession of sharp bumps causes the fork to shake just a bit. It isnít alarming; itís just that I donít remember the old bike having any tendency to do this. A couple of the U.S. journos also noted this."
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Gavin on January 30, 2013, 01:47:34 pm
The remainder of the launch has been canceled due to the tragic death of Kevin Ash
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: hornet3 on January 31, 2013, 04:15:13 pm
In an attempt to end some of the wild speculation on this forum I quote the following from today's George Herald, a local newspaper : "Kevin Ash (53), apparently lost control on the gravel road. ............and died after crashing his motorcycle last Tuesday evening.  It happened too fast for the motorcyclist behind him to swerve out or stop and he collided with Ash, injuring himself as well. The second rider sustained a dislocated shoulder and minor injuries and was discharged from hospital last Friday."
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Trailrider on January 31, 2013, 04:48:47 pm
Thanks hornet3

I wonder why that was not said in the original staement.
Title: Re: UK Journo killed on watercooled GS Launch
Post by: Vis Arend on January 31, 2013, 04:57:56 pm
In an attempt to end some of the wild speculation on this forum I quote the following from today's George Herald, a local newspaper : "Kevin Ash (53), apparently lost control on the gravel road. ............and died after crashing his motorcycle last Tuesday evening.  It happened too fast for the motorcyclist behind him to swerve out or stop and he collided with Ash, injuring himself as well. The second rider sustained a dislocated shoulder and minor injuries and was discharged from hospital last Friday."

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