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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Imvubu on February 12, 2013, 08:45:01 pm

Title: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 12, 2013, 08:45:01 pm
Looking for something to replace my Defender 130 as a daily commuter - I travel all of about 3kms to the office and back every day, and the 130's not the most practical 'town car'.

SWAMBO suggested a bicycle but that's not going to happen.

I've looked at both a Big Boy TSR250 and an XTG250. Why do or don't I want to buy one?

I'm not going to spend more than R15K, and haven't really seen anything secondhand in that sort of price range.

BTW, fighting weight is around 120kgs, so need something that will manage that plus a laptop and lunch. Not interested in a scooter (will look like a Sumo wrestler with on a kids tricycle).
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 12, 2013, 08:50:36 pm
Of course if there's anyone that knows of a decent second / third etc hand bike for sale within my R15K budget, I'm all ears. It will have to be roadworthy though.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Inprogress on February 12, 2013, 09:01:25 pm
Honda Twister 250. Can find some at R14k and R16K. If I can buy a commuter again, that would be it.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Captain Zef on February 12, 2013, 09:05:59 pm
At that distance i would go for a scooter. Those big boy bike are crap.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Cracker on February 12, 2013, 09:12:28 pm
3kms deserves a good pair of shoes
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Herminator on February 12, 2013, 09:17:26 pm
Rather go second hand Japanese , than first hand Chinese
The chinese bikes just dont last

http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-motorcycles-scooters-Suzuki-GN-250-2004-W0QQAdIdZ372756545
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjkzWDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqF,!l0E9JMC260yBPj8UIsq!g~~48_35.JPG)

Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 12, 2013, 09:44:11 pm
Would prefer something with a little more gravel road ability and a bit cooler to be honest. Any opinions on this one: http://bikes.autotrader.co.za/used-motorcycles/suzuki/dr/1980-suzuki-dr-400.0cc-knysna-bfpa-8a62476f353db6720135531ae7766d6a/bikepricerangeszar/under-10-000/bikepricerangeszar/10-000-to-24-999

Pity it's in Knysna  :-\
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: sidetrack on February 12, 2013, 09:50:35 pm
Any Japanese 250 dual sport will also be a good bet, DR - XR - KLX - TTR all get 25km/l and low maintenance rock solid.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: NISMARK on February 12, 2013, 09:55:46 pm
New Honda XR125 sells for around R15k and about R10k secondhand.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Allegro on February 13, 2013, 06:17:57 am
Any 2nd hand Japanese is better  :3some:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: JonW on February 13, 2013, 06:36:01 am
I would look for something like a 2nd hand XT600, sure you will find something decent in that price range.

You will always be able to sell that for what you paid for it if needs be, but you will take a big knock on a new Big Boy.

Go Japanese   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Wildcoast on February 13, 2013, 06:43:19 am
Two mates of mine commute with big boy 250 super moto's (dunno if super is the correct word in this case) no problems at all, plus you getting a warranty that you wont be getting with a second hand jap bike.
Makes sense to me, but at 120kg you may want something with a bit more go.(test drive the 250 first)
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: atkinse on February 13, 2013, 06:49:06 am
You already have a Landy, so you must like fixing things. Get the Big Boy you will stay in practice for the Landy. :pot: :lol8: :peepwall:

I'm just stirring a little. The big boys are OK if you keep a hand on them. You constantly have to ensure that everything is assembled correctly and make maintenance a daily task. If you are competent it can work for you.



Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 07:04:25 am
Would prefer something with a little more gravel road ability and a bit cooler to be honest. Any opinions on this one: http://bikes.autotrader.co.za/used-motorcycles/suzuki/dr/1980-suzuki-dr-400.0cc-knysna-bfpa-8a62476f353db6720135531ae7766d6a/bikepricerangeszar/under-10-000/bikepricerangeszar/10-000-to-24-999

Pity it's in Knysna  :-\

I checked that thing out 2 years ago when they parked it on the floor, its a restoration project, not a get on and go
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 07:11:52 am
I'm also looking at the big boy xplode 250, looks the part, have spoken to the guys that bought them and they have no complaints, parts are freaken cheap. 2000km service intervals, so I think thats good for a chinese bike. Air cooled, so not much to go wrong, disk brakes, nice seat. I'm almost sold on one, but my question still stands... Can I jump it and the warranty will replace the shocks and frame if it breaks
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ganjora on February 13, 2013, 07:19:58 am
i wouldn't buy chinese,
not even with someone else's money.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: edgy on February 13, 2013, 07:21:57 am
i wouldn't buy chinese,
not even with someone else's money.
Agreed :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: sidetrack on February 13, 2013, 07:37:17 am
Bigboy Xplode, hope this is not a sign of things to come  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: jaybiker on February 13, 2013, 08:34:53 am
WTF! Leg it man. Even a bycicle is over the top for a paltry 3Km. Might even shed a few of those 120Kg's.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: King Louis on February 13, 2013, 09:00:20 am
Might even shed a few of those 120Kg's.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 13, 2013, 09:16:19 am
Might even shed a few of those 120Kg's.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

That's just not going to happen - got way too much invested in getting into this shape to chuck it all away now.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: marlon on February 13, 2013, 10:13:25 am
I am not one to be influenced by opinion much. I know two people, one of them being my girlfriend, who'se been using big boy for the last 2 years without any issues, great efficiency and reliability. Her only issue ever being the battery dying. Yes, she does have a jap bike too, but the big boy, thus far is a winner. I  am known for being concerned about safety and reliability to anal levels, and my scrutiny of that scoot has given me no reason to worry for the 50km/h home-work-home trips. Besides it's cheap.

Anyway, I agree with buying jap, used, if you can find a good one from a reputable seller. I totally agree, but don't kick what you haven't tried.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 10:14:51 am
Might even shed a few of those 120Kg's.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

That's just not going to happen - got way too much invested in getting into this shape to chuck it all away now.  :biggrin:

Agreed! I dont walk to anything, if I could, I would be riding in my house too
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: mox on February 13, 2013, 10:17:35 am
What he needs is this for his lunch box!
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 10:18:22 am
They are just as reliable as a ktm, comes from the same place. Just with much less grunt
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 13, 2013, 10:45:55 am
Mmmm...one of those but with the little motors that the delivery guys fit to their bicycles.  O0

Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: jimjim on February 13, 2013, 10:59:17 am
Don't know why people would complain about Chinese scramblers. I rode one to Hell (there's an RR on it here somewhere) - still my best ride ever. Had no problem with the little Chinese bike. OK, a few plastic things fell off and the speedo was 20km/h out. And there were small electrical issues. And the top speed was too low to use it safely on the national roads. And the lights were too weak to use safely at night. And it was a bit slow on overtaking. And it couldn't take a lot of weight. Otherwise it was perfect.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: JK on February 13, 2013, 11:10:55 am
I have said it befor but will say it again. Chinese bikes are like those cheap plastic Gazebos from Makro. Every 2nd house has one in the dustbin.  :patch:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Heimer on February 13, 2013, 11:21:13 am
Don't know why people would complain about Chinese scramblers. I rode one to Hell (there's an RR on it here somewhere) - still my best ride ever. Had no problem with the little Chinese bike. OK, a few plastic things fell off and the speedo was 20km/h out. And there were small electrical issues. And the top speed was too low to use it safely on the national roads. And the lights were too weak to use safely at night. And it was a bit slow on overtaking. And it couldn't take a lot of weight. Otherwise it was perfect.

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: The Purple Turtle on February 13, 2013, 11:27:18 am
I bought the wife a BIG BOY XTG 250 to learn to ride.

I is now 2 years old, and have 2000km on the clock, mostly done by 125kg fatass me driving the 100km round trip to work.

PM me if you are interested in my very positive ownership experience with this bike.

Why PM, cause I can't be bothered to post on a thread where a bunch of people (read that as nice speak for f******* lemmings) knock something they have no experience of. Problem is , WD  is becoming like this all over.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Lem on February 13, 2013, 12:13:24 pm

Why PM, cause I can't be bothered to post on a thread where a bunch of people (read that as nice speak for f******* lemmings) knock something they have no experience of. Problem is , WD  is becoming like this all over.

I agree with this statement. Last week I had to read on this forum how much of a piece of shit bike a F650GS is, how bad it's built, and that is when many of them on this forum, as well as the older funduro's are well over 100 000kms by now.

for the question asked on the beginning of this thread, I'm sure a Chinaman would be up to the task, and spares easy to come by, when needed.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: JonW on February 13, 2013, 12:20:57 pm

for the question asked on the beginning of this thread, I'm sure a Chinaman would be up to the task, and spares easy to come by, when needed.

That may well be so.

But some of us may be of the opinion that there are better options available, such as a 2nd hand Jap bike.

He asked for our opinions didn't he -

Why do or don't I want to buy one?

It seems some don't like it if my OPINION is different to theirs 

Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Operator on February 13, 2013, 12:26:03 pm
What is the best secondhand bike you can buy ?      A new Chinese one!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Ok, ok.............I know this is actually the old Alfa-Romeo joke, but I thought it would be applicable.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Hammerhead on February 13, 2013, 12:53:10 pm
Maybe also consider a Bajaj Pulsar 180?
I use one to commute and its done 25k km
Issues so far: replaced the front light bulb...
Light on juice too  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 13, 2013, 01:06:05 pm
2nd hand jap bikes in that price range have all been abused to within an inch of their lives

if you buy something in the sub 15k bracket look at major repairs coming your way

old xt600's etc great bikes but factor in a full engine rebuild - if its old it will break

chinese bikes are not that bad - mine has almost 18000km on the clock and no major hassles

parts are dirt cheap  :thumleft:

you can look at the xr125 - but that is just another chinaman bike with a honda badge on it

the new honda e-storm, xr, etc are all being built in china to compete against the chinese

the old cg125 was more expensive than an e-storm - why ???

because it was better quality - the new honda cheapies are no better than chinese bikes
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 01:09:45 pm
2nd hand jap bikes in that price range have all been abused to within an inch of their lives

if you buy something in the sub 15k bracket look at major repairs coming your way

old xt600's etc great bikes but factor in a full engine rebuild - if its old it will break

chinese bikes are not that bad - mine has almost 18000km on the clock and no major hassles

parts are dirt cheap  :thumleft:

you can look at the xr125 - but that is just another chinaman bike with a honda badge on it

the new honda e-storm, xr, etc are all being built in china to compete against the chinese

the old cg125 was more expensive than an e-storm - why ???

because it was better quality - the new honda cheapies are no better than chinese bikes
:laughing4: :deal:
What he says is so true! Hence me also looking at one. Im just questioning this warrenty thing
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: The Purple Turtle on February 13, 2013, 02:08:47 pm
What is the best secondhand bike you can buy ?      A new Chinese one!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Ok, ok.............I know this is actually the old Alfa-Romeo joke, but I thought it would be applicable.  :ricky:

hmm...I like Alfa's too.

In fact, I own a poor man's Alfa, a Fiat X19 - first car I ever bought- 33 years old, on 3rd engine - odo stopped working at 370 K km.

Yup, and I was told back in 1980 it is the biggest piece of shit I can possibly buy. I should buy the new VW Golf.

Chinese (Fiat, ALFA, Jeep) is not for everyone. One must have some desire to actually look after the vehicle..

Apologies for the 9/11.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 13, 2013, 02:14:23 pm
Not looking for a fixer-upper, or something that needs a lot of work to get it on the road. I already have a Land Rover to keep me busy, as well as 'project' parking my lawn dead at the moment.

If I bring another 'project' home SWAMBO will chuck me and it out. Guess I could sleep in the 130 though.  ;D
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Imvubu on February 13, 2013, 02:16:41 pm
Picture of the 'project' except it's in bits at the moment.

Obviously I'm a sucker for punishment.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 02:29:50 pm
An old jap bike will be another project, the china just one to check through and tighten a screw now and then
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: The Purple Turtle on February 13, 2013, 02:40:35 pm
I like your project.

If SWAMBO require you to ever get rid of it, please contact me, as I will gladly be of assistance.

I have +-40 000 sqm of densely bushed hillside to hide projects in.

The problem is when SWAMBO decides to take a walk and survey the premises, I do fear that day.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: The Purple Turtle on February 13, 2013, 02:44:50 pm
To get back on track.

I concur. Buy the Chinese as a turnkey project.

If it bombs out - you will not be spending more to fix it than you would in repairing the the crapped out secondhand Jap.

If it runs nicely - like the majority seems to lately, you have a running project you did not have to work on.

Looking at it that way, kinda makes sense?.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Ratt on February 13, 2013, 02:50:35 pm
To get back on track.

I concur. Buy the Chinese as a turnkey project.

If it bombs out - you will not be spending more to fix it than you would in repairing the the crapped out secondhand Jap.

If it runs nicely - like the majority seems to lately, you have a running project you did not have to work on.

Looking at it that way, kinda makes sense?.... :biggrin:
:thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Wasp on February 13, 2013, 03:09:56 pm


because it was better quality - the new honda cheapies are no better than chinese bikes

Difference is 2-year Honda guarantee and 4000km service intervals, so,  :deal:
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 13, 2013, 03:15:27 pm


because it was better quality - the new honda cheapies are no better than chinese bikes

Difference is 2-year Honda guarantee and 4000km service intervals, so,  :deal:

so  :deal: what ???

the 2-year warranty is just for them to get there money worth out of you bring the bike back over and over and over for its services

my chinese bike i change the oil every 2500km and i rinse out the oil filter in petrol - done and dusted costs me more or less R60 to service

a R400+ service on a xr125 - really what are they doing that costs R400 ???

but i must admit i bought the chinese bike 2nd hand for less than half of what they cost new - so i did not have to worry about keeping the services up to date at stealers etc

Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Lem on February 13, 2013, 03:22:08 pm
Maybe also consider a Bajaj Pulsar 180?
I use one to commute and its done 25k km
Issues so far: replaced the front light bulb...
Light on juice too  :biggrin:

these bikes are very good  :thumleft: you also get a cheap Bajaj Boxer brand new for R 9999, only trouble is, it's gor a drum brake in the front.
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Lem on February 13, 2013, 03:22:51 pm
Maybe also consider a Bajaj Pulsar 180?
I use one to commute and its done 25k km
Issues so far: replaced the front light bulb...
Light on juice too  :biggrin:

these bikes are very good  :thumleft: you also get a cheap Bajaj Boxer brand new for something like R 6999, only trouble is, it's gor a drum brake in the front.

fixed
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Vulcan on February 13, 2013, 03:30:38 pm
My very first bike was a 180cc  Bajaj Avenger. Tough as nails and it coped very well with my ,erm, learning curve. If they can survive India they can survive anywhere.

Mmm, I wonder if I can fit DS tyres on an Avenger?
Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: Herminator on February 13, 2013, 03:42:07 pm
I dont think Bajaj is Chinese
its Indian, but they have a reputation for being reliable

Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: jagter on February 13, 2013, 03:47:32 pm
For such a short distance,  A scooter or a pair of shoes is the answer. (I live about 2.5km from work as well, so I'm in the same boat)

I recommend a Honda Vision, or if you really have some hangup about scooters, a Honda e-storm.  The scooter is a lot more practical though, plenty of storage space for your lunchbox.

I can fit 2 six-packs and a bottle of wine under my scooter seat, and a bag of wood under my legs.  +- R50 of petrol every 2 weeks. That's my total commuting budget.




Title: Re: Why should / shouldn't I buy a Big Boy?
Post by: JK on February 13, 2013, 08:35:51 pm
Picture of the 'project' except it's in bits at the moment.

Obviously I'm a sucker for punishment.
I,like the Landie camper coooollll  :thumleft: