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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Suzuki DR & DRZ => Topic started by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 08:41:02 am

Title: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 08:41:02 am
I'm thinking about perhaps getting a smaller, lighter bike. 250's are too small with not anough power and the 650 class is not that much lighter than my 950. So the 400/450 class would seem to be the ideal combination of weight and power. Unfortunately, there are very few bikes in that category.
It would seem that the DRZ400 is the bike, but I would perhaps look at "dual-sporting" a KLX450R.

I would really appreciate some feedback from DRZ owners on the following subjects:
1. Tar riding - can it cruise comfortably at 120-130kph and what is the top speed?
2. If not, will a change of gearing provide this?
3. How often does the oil and filter and air filter have to be changed?
4. Are parts expensive?
5. I've read some reports about a too-soft front suspension - is this true?
6. Any other comments about the bike or an alternative?

Many thanks,
LGF
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: sidetrack on November 16, 2007, 09:02:03 am
Will run 120 130 all day long, uphils downhills wind you name it. Top speed 160 kph depending on gearing. Never needed parts except oil filters. Service mine every 3000km, the manual says 6000 km. 2003 and later models have better suspension. Way more power than a 250 which makes about 25 hp, my DRZ is close to 45 hp. Buy a big tank for it and run 15 - 44 gearing for dp riding.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 16, 2007, 10:30:22 am
One suggestion I may have, DD recently added a FCR carb, which is great for throttle response and power. The DRZ400E comes standard with the FCR carb and also larger header pipes. Lots of guys have road registered E models, so see if you can find one. E model also has slightly more offroad orientated suspension (which is good if you'll be doin alot of offroad stuff, less good for your kidneys on the tar). But thats just my opinion, I've only had my DRZ for 2 weeks now  ;D

Edit:
As far as parts are concerned I suppose it depends, but body parts are cheap. Basic motox style plastics, easy to replace.
Gearing for the E model is really short sprocketed, I've only done 107km/h top, but as DD said, enough power for 160km/h gearing. The front suspension is amazing IMO, think it has 14 setting damping and 18 setting rebound. I'm actually too scared to adjust it :)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 11:24:04 am
Thanks very much DD and Newguy.

DD, where did you get your larger tank from, and how much?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 16, 2007, 11:30:00 am
Mine is also in the post. 4 options available, google it and find a supplier. IMS, Clarke, Acerbis and Aqualine. I ordered the Aqualine from Aus.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 16, 2007, 11:31:04 am
here is the Aqualine
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 11:43:41 am
I was wondering about a local supplier - holy cow how much does that tank hold?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: bobnob on November 16, 2007, 11:51:13 am
the drz is R4500 more expensive than a dr650se  ???

the 650 is only 15kg's heavier - why would you want the 400?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 16, 2007, 03:16:30 pm
I was wondering about a local supplier - holy cow how much does that tank hold?
Thats the biggest one available, 28 liters
Schweeeeeet
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 04:01:22 pm
the drz is R4500 more expensive than a dr650se  ???

the 650 is only 15kg's heavier - why would you want the 400?

The DRZ's lighter, has fully adjustable front suspension and a water-cooled motor.
But I agree with the price issue...
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 04:07:16 pm
I was wondering about a local supplier - holy cow how much does that tank hold?
Thats the biggest one available, 28 liters
Schweeeeeet

Doesn't 26 odd kg's of fuel adversely affectthe handling?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 16, 2007, 04:13:10 pm
What's the best model year to try and find, I was thinking an '06...
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: sidetrack on November 16, 2007, 07:39:33 pm
Buy as new as possible. There is a 10 year technology gap between the DR and DRZ. The 650 for example has non adjustable toothpick suspension (sorry LS) ride them and the 650 will feel 30 kg heavier. I have a 15 l Clarke tank for sale if you are interested.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 17, 2007, 08:31:19 am
Thanks for the info DD.
Will have  to find a bike first before getting the tank from you ;D
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Major Tom on November 17, 2007, 10:38:18 am
Got my 2000 DRZ about 4 weeks ago, also as a second bike to play in the technical areas.  It has a larger sprocket, which is great in the veld, and I still manage 120-130kph comfortably (engine-wise).  The bike is very light, so at those speeds it does tend to be affected by turbulence, moving around on the bike etc.  The trip to De Wildt ( http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=11421.0) proved that the bike is exactly what I wanted.  Don't know about the front suspension, but I suppose it depends also on what riding you want to do.  IMO it's better than the KLR's suspension that I had before.

I'm also finding that if I have a short commute into town these days, I leave the GS at home and take the DRZ - brings out the hoolie.

If memeroy serves correctly, I believe Metaljockey was selling one on the forum a week or 3 ago.

That's my 5c worth.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 17, 2007, 12:15:07 pm
Just realised I've been asking about the "S", but only the "E" is available in SA :-[
What's the difference between the models?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Runner on November 17, 2007, 12:22:36 pm
Just realised I've been asking about the "S", but only the "E" is available in SA :-[
What's the difference between the models?

Go look somewhere here or search it,it has been discussed plenty

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10810.msg160142#msg160142
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 19, 2007, 10:29:23 am
From what Ican teel, the "E" has no rear subframe. Is it possible to manufacture/fit some sort of frame so that some lightish soft luggage can be carried on the back?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 19, 2007, 11:16:49 am

Have one made, using similar design as:

(http://lh3.google.com/HRRobson/Ry8EUr29vwI/AAAAAAAAAPM/ub1icLPIKpU/s400/52ab_12.JPG)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 19, 2007, 11:33:41 am
Thanks Newguy.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 19, 2007, 11:58:56 am
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Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Runner on November 19, 2007, 12:10:11 pm
From what Ican teel, the "E" has no rear subframe. Is it possible to manufacture/fit some sort of frame so that some lightish soft luggage can be carried on the back?

DRZ 'E in SA came with flickers( the later models,2004 on) and theirefore with subframes.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 19, 2007, 12:19:11 pm
/Hijack on
Hold thumbs, I am taking my E for roadworthy today. there is no brake light switch on the front lever, hope switch on the rear only is enough
/hijack off
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 19, 2007, 02:23:13 pm
Lets us know if it got through!
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: growweblaar on November 19, 2007, 03:11:39 pm
newguy, what has your impression been so far on the highway, coming from an R80?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 20, 2007, 07:44:30 am
Yeah!!!! I made it through the roadworthy, on to registration today!

newguy, what has your impression been so far on the highway, coming from an R80?
Dunno, will only get it registered today. I'm still short sprocketed so I cant go over 110km/h at the moment anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: growweblaar on November 20, 2007, 11:21:47 am
Yeah!!!! I made it through the roadworthy, on to registration today!

newguy, what has your impression been so far on the highway, coming from an R80?
Dunno, will only get it registered today. I'm still short sprocketed so I cant go over 110km/h at the moment anyway  ;D

Of course :P. Congrats on the roadworthy! :thumleft:

Which sprocket you getting? Let us know when you've tested it :)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: bobnob on November 20, 2007, 02:44:09 pm
let me be the voice of reason  >:D

why not keep the KTM and get yourself on of these babies for playing

(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20XR500RE%2083%20%201.jpg)

only 5kg's heavier than the DRZ and cheap enough to not have to sell the KTM

and boy are they fun!

my brother had one of them they are a grin a second  ;D

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xr500re%2083.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xr500re%2083.htm)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 02:56:04 pm
let me be the voice of reason  >:D

why not keep the KTM and get yourself on of these babies for playing

(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20XR500RE%2083%20%201.jpg)

only 5kg's heavier than the DRZ and cheap enough to not have to sell the KTM

and boy are they fun!

my brother had one of them they are a grin a second  ;D

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xr500re%2083.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xr500re%2083.htm)

Really wish I could afford both :'(
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: GS-holic on November 20, 2007, 03:00:42 pm
If only I could find one - The XR500 is still one on my whish list of bikes ;D
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: bobnob on November 20, 2007, 03:01:12 pm
i just checked the specs  :o

my TT600 kicks ass (well once its back together again it will kick some ass ;D)

kicks out more power than the drz400 and its almost 10kg's lighter!!!

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_tt600%2083.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_tt600%2083.htm)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Eisbein on November 20, 2007, 03:19:50 pm
That XR 500 still stirs me on many levels ...

Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: SuperJuice on November 20, 2007, 03:28:14 pm
(http://www.psndealer.com/dealersite/images/langstonracing/Mamba_2.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Eisbein on November 20, 2007, 03:28:34 pm
Are those specs right ?

32 horses ?

Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 03:56:06 pm
Oh sh*t, I'm in love...
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 03:57:26 pm
Are those specs right ?

32 horses ?



If I can remember correctly, DigitalDan's bike puts out 45 or so HP.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: growweblaar on November 20, 2007, 04:23:05 pm
My Dakar kicks out 50HP - how do they get 45HP from 400cc? Or does that 400 not last nearly as long as the 650...?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 20, 2007, 04:34:31 pm
My Dakar kicks out 50HP - how do they get 45HP from 400cc? Or does that 400 not last nearly as long as the 650...?
DD's has been upgraded to 440cc. mine as stock standard is 35kw
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Eisbein on November 20, 2007, 04:41:08 pm
Oh - sorry - I meant the XR500 ...

Growwes - the Dakar's engine is a little 'over engineered' and not 'warmegemaak'

The DRZ engine comes pretuned and race ready ....

Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 04:52:33 pm
Oh - sorry - I meant the XR500 ...

Growwes - the Dakar's engine is a little 'over engineered' and not 'warmegemaak'

The DRZ engine comes pretuned and race ready ....



Hee hee hee ;D
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 05:00:26 pm
One thing I've discovered about the "E" version we get here, is that it seems to a combination of the E and S versions that you get overseas. It's got all the great E bits like fully adjustable front and rear suspension, Keihin, carb, higher CR etc, but it also has some S bits like a rear subframe (so you can mount a luggage rack, although this will need some work), a steering lock and even a helmet lock and of course all the street legal kit like brake lights, indicators etc. which you would have to fit to the overseas E model.
Seems like for once good old SA got a really good deal! By the way, this model is also avaiable in Aus.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: growweblaar on November 20, 2007, 05:30:57 pm
Growwes - the Dakar's engine is a little 'over engineered' and not 'warmegemaak'

The DRZ engine comes pretuned and race ready ....

Does that equate to short service intervals (and shorter life)?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 20, 2007, 06:40:30 pm
Growwes - the Dakar's engine is a little 'over engineered' and not 'warmegemaak'

The DRZ engine comes pretuned and race ready ....

Does that equate to short service intervals (and shorter life)?

Spoke to the workshop mechanic - if you're not racing it, oil and filter change every 5000km.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 20, 2007, 08:30:46 pm
If I'm not mistaken, if you buy a drz400e from suzuki now, it comes fitte d wiff a fmf racing pipe.  ;)
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: sidetrack on November 20, 2007, 08:41:35 pm
Are those specs right ?

32 horses ?



That is the S model with 36 mm BSR vacuum carb and other choked up useless stuff. Any E model will be close to 40 hp. With the help of Runner I installed a 440 kit (436 cc actually), Keihin 39 mm MX carb and I run a Hotcam intake camshaft with a opened up airbox. I also have a FMF powerbomb header and Q silencer. Most DRZ's with these mods gives 45 hp. Red line stock bike, blue is the 440 with FCR and Hotcams.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/burned-drz/DRZ440VSSMHP.jpg)

I did not go for higher compression with the thinner base gasket. Next for me will be the stroker mod which will push it to fifty. a 470 kit is also avaliable, those bikes makes 55 hp easily. I have read about 60 hp plus DRZ's as well. These bikes respond well to mods as they are underpowered and detuned when they are sold new.

PS - even with these mods the bikes are still very reliable.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: bobnob on November 21, 2007, 06:30:04 am
My Dakar kicks out 50HP - how do they get 45HP from 400cc? Or does that 400 not last nearly as long as the 650...?
DD's has been upgraded to 440cc. mine as stock standard is 35kw

sorry to burst your bubble newguy but stock standard is 35hp - that is 29kw
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: letsgofishing on November 21, 2007, 06:47:31 am
If I'm not mistaken, if you buy a drz400e from suzuki now, it comes fitte d wiff a fmf racing pipe.  ;)

Hey Newguy, where did you hear this from?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 21, 2007, 04:59:39 pm
sorry to burst your bubble newguy but stock standard is 35hp - that is 29kw
OOpppsss, it sudenly feels slower now  ;D

If I'm not mistaken, if you buy a drz400e from suzuki now, it comes fitte d wiff a fmf racing pipe.  ;)

Hey Newguy, where did you hear this from?

Bark SA mag

Sprockets: the E model takes a 14 up front as the largest sprockt, because the sprocket cover is different. so if I put a 41 tooth on the rear I will be close to DD's 15:44 ratio. the SM model comes out with 15:41  :o , but I think it has smaller rims
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 21, 2007, 05:10:09 pm
According to this site: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2003models/2003models-Suzuki-DR-Z400E.htm
35kW????? I dunno, DD probably knows the right figures

SPECIFICATIONS
MSRP: $5,449.00
Engine: 398 cc, four-stroke, single cylinder, DOHC, 4-valve, liquid cooled. 48 hp (35 kW)/ 9,000 rpm, 41 Nm/ 7,500 rpm. Kickstart only.
Warranty: 6 month unlimited mileage limited warranty
Bore & Stroke: 90 x 62.6 mm
Compression ratio: 12.2:1
Fuel System: Keihinâ?˘ FCR39
Lubrication: Wet-sump
Ignition: Digital/DC-CDI
Starter: Electric
Transmission: 5-speed
Final Drive: #520 chain
Overall Length: 2235 mm (88.0 in.)
Overall Width: 825 mm (32.5 in.)
Overall Height: 1245 mm (49.0 in.)
Seat Height: 945mm (37.2 in.)
Ground Clearance: 325mm (12.8 in.)
Wheelbase: 1475 mm (58.1 in.)
Dry Weight: 119kg (262 lbs.)

Suspension:
FRONT: Telescopic, cartridge-type, oil-damped, adjustable preload, 14-way compression damping and 18-way rebound damping
REAR: Link-type, fully-adjustable spring preload, adjustable high/low compression dampimg and adjustable rebound damping
Brakes:
FRONT: Single hydraulic disc
REAR: Single hydraulic disc
Tires:
FRONT: 80/100-21
REAR: 110/100-18
Fuel Tank Capacity: 10 liter (2.6 gal.)
Color: Yellow
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Runner on November 21, 2007, 09:16:57 pm
sorry to burst your bubble newguy but stock standard is 35hp - that is 29kw
OOpppsss, it sudenly feels slower now  ;D

If I'm not mistaken, if you buy a drz400e from suzuki now, it comes fitte d wiff a fmf racing pipe.  ;)

Hey Newguy, where did you hear this from?


Bark SA mag

Sprockets: the E model takes a 14 up front as the largest sprockt, because the sprocket cover is different. so if I put a 41 tooth on the rear I will be close to DD's 15:44 ratio. the SM model comes out with 15:41  :o , but I think it has smaller rims


Std gearing on E is 14;47. it will hit the rev limiter in top at 155, going down to a 45 makes it impossible to hit the limiter
A 41 rear will actually give a lower top speed cause it wont be able to rev out,and in tec going you will fry the clutch
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Poffmuis on November 22, 2007, 06:28:25 pm
Now I'm confused. DD runs a 15:44 gearing and he is very happy. 14:41 is just about the same ratio. Dont want to hijack, so please pm me or start a new thread for advice. thanks, newguy
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: Etienne2T on October 25, 2009, 11:21:07 pm
Will run 120 130 all day long, uphils downhills wind you name it. Top speed 160 kph depending on gearing.

I'm running 15-44 at the moment and dont come anyway near 160km/h, how do you achieve this?
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2009, 08:02:08 am
Will run 120 130 all day long, uphils downhills wind you name it. Top speed 160 kph depending on gearing.

I'm running 15-44 at the moment and dont come anyway near 160km/h, how do you achieve this?
That is 160 on the speedo, so prob 150 km/h true. It went faster on top end with the S carb and cams. I guess it was the jetting. The FCR pulled like a train up to 150 (speedo) or so and then crawled it struggled to get any further.
Title: Re: Calling all DRZ 400S owners
Post by: SUZBOX on October 26, 2009, 10:22:17 pm
All good opinions.  I have both the DRZ400E and DR650SE and had a DRZ400S.
The E has the odd 5+ BHP more than std. S models.  As for speed I have found that a good compromize for speed & engine rev. is a 44 sprocket at the back but even a 41 works well as you still have a hole box of gears to use but it all depends on how you use the bike.
As for the big tank I would sugest that you don't go bigger than the 17l Safari tank.  It does have an impact on handling and more so when the tank is not totaly full.
You have good fuel consumption 20km/l + that will give you 200km on the std tank.

Hope this helps.