Wild Dog Adventure Riding

General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 01:03:01 pm

Title: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 01:03:01 pm
Hi Guys

Since WD stickers are now available here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?board=28.0 - I urge everyone to please buy the official stickers from the official suppliers.  Please don't rip our brand off by making counterfeit stickers.  The official WD stickers now have our URL on which is a registered trademark.

We have limited ways of funding this forum of which the WD stickers are an important source of income.  It is entirely build on our brand.  We don't ask membership fees and only get income through advertising and branded merchandise.

Please report anyone selling counterfeit WD stickers and other merchandise directly to me via PM or email.  I guarantee confidentiality.  Trading in counterfeit WD items will lead to an immediate permanent ban.

Fair enough?

Kilroy 
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
Just one question KR, will counterfeit WD stickers be the ones with some type  WD Logo and URL or any standard universal paw sticker?

(Obviously excluding commercially available stickers)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 01:18:16 pm
Any rip-off of the paw on a d/s bike I view as counterfeit.  I have no way of registering a paw as a trademark, nobody has.  fact is that this forum started off using and are associated with d/s and a paw.  This mean, even if I can't litigate - paws on a d/s bike constitute a counterfeit sticker.  Lets not beat around the bush, before this forum a paw was not associated with d/s riding.

So even if I can't litigate for using generic paws (obviously I can for our URL and name on stickers), I can still ban the person permanently.  My irk is not with the individual who made himself a paw sticker for his bike (since our distribution sucked at the time), but with the oke using my brand and captured market to enrich himself by offering these counterfeit stickers for sale without any consent.  I will appreciate people informing me of such individuals in order to monitor going forward.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 01:21:55 pm
Thanks  :thumleft: just wanted to be clear, as I have a few paws on my vehicles, generic ones, obtained over time when available from commercial (normal printing shops).

Will replace them in time with official WD ones, now that they are available.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Sparky on April 15, 2013, 01:47:13 pm
Does this include the reflective paw stickers bought from a vendor?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 02:07:38 pm
reflective stickers bought from the official sticker distributors are fine (no URL on them).  A vendor is not an official sticker distributor though. Some are, some aren't.  From who did you buy it?

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: luv2ride on April 15, 2013, 02:17:09 pm
Who are the vendors in Gauteng ( more specifically Pretoria) that actually now have stock?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 04:04:53 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?
Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................
I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(
If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptable
You can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 04:28:19 pm
Interesting.....I would like to see the outcome on this topic......
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: RobC on April 15, 2013, 04:38:46 pm
Bear in mind a copyright lawyer could sue the bike from under you if WD decided to be nasty about the wholesale copying of the paw. They are being nice folks, R5 per copy is not exorbitant at all. :deal:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 04:45:48 pm
Bear in mind a copyright lawyer could sue the bike from under you if WD decided to be nasty about the wholesale copying of the paw. They are being nice folks, R5 per copy is not exorbitant at all. :deal:
Nobody said anything about wholesale copying Rob
We want to buy the stuff
The price for the specific line of sticker is just rediculous
......................................and as for the copyright lawyer - he's going to have a tough time proving that i contravened any copyright law without the wilddog webaddress on the decal.
Anyone can download those things off the web anywhere and reprint
I like to be kissed before i'm fucked!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 05:05:28 pm
How much do you pay for a KTM sticker? How much do you pay for a Nike cap. The brand is all we have to generate income.  We dont ask membership fees, we ask a royalty of R5 on a sticker. I know you can go and make a sticker for much cheaper, thats not the point. The point is the paw and url is our brand and has a value.  Must i now go and defend my price.  Everyone on WDs seems to be running a business, am I also allowed to run a business and establish my prices? 

How many sticker do a person buy? 10, 20?  So is R50 or R100 to much to pay to the forum to run its business?

Can i now go and discuss your business's pricing as well and publicly claim you are ripping us off?  We are trying to get our ducks in a row to start running WDs more professionally. Our brand is one of the few ways to generate income, it has a value as your KTM tshirt and cap has. We expect our brand not to get ripped off, as do all other businesses.  We ask a royalty of R5 per sticker, we also have profit margins on our other merchandise.  As in a capitalist system market forces will determine if we are reasonable ito pricing.  Some okes seems happy to score from the forum but are up in arms when they have to pay farking R5 royalty on a branded sticker. 

Again, what do you pay for a KTM / BMW / Rough Rider or whatever branded sticker if you are not ripping it off?

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: da PEEG on April 15, 2013, 05:13:34 pm
PING Adventure...

Do you have any (small)white reflective 'official" paw WD stickers please?

Been trying to get these for over 2-years now(couldn't even buy any from KiLRoy's son at the NW-Bash recently) - getting desperate and frustrated.  I WANT to buy "the correct" one but can't get hold of any, I've tried Schlowy/Just-Bike-n-Tyre/and many more vendors.   

Adventure:
If you can't help me, vendors, where can I get these please?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Adventurer on April 15, 2013, 05:16:38 pm
PING Adventure...

Do you have any (small)white reflective 'official" paw WD stickers please?

Been trying to get these for over 2-years now(couldn't even buy any from KiLRoy's son at the NW-Bash recently) - getting desperate and frustrated.  I WANT to buy "the correct" one but can't get hold of any, I've tried Schlowy/Just-Bike-n-Tyre/and many more vendors.   

Adventure:
If you can't help me, vendors, where can I get these please?

Who's Adventure? Can't be me, I'm AdventureR.... :deal: :biggrin:
No, I don't have any small ones......at least I don't think so, will check later.....but tell me, where do you want to stick them? :pot: :biggrin:
Your bike back and ready for Nam yet? :peepwall: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 05:18:09 pm
How much do you pay for a KTM sticker? How much do you pay for a Nike cap. The brand is all we have to generate income.  We dont ask membership fees, we ask a royalty of R5 on a sticker. I know you can go and make a sticker for much cheaper, thats not the point. The point is the paw and url is our brand and has a value.  Must i now go and defend my price.  Everyone on WDs seems to be running a business, am I also allowed to run a business and establish my prices? 

How many sticker do a person buy? 10, 20?  So is R50 or R100 to much to pay to the forum to run its business?

Can i now go and discuss your business's pricing as well and publicly claim you are ripping us off?  We are trying to get our ducks in a row to start running WDs more professionally. Our brand is one of the few ways to generate income, it has a value as your KTM tshirt and cap has. We expect our brand not to get ripped off, as do all other businesses.  We ask a royalty of R5 per sticker, we also have profit margins on our other merchandise.  As in a capitalist system market forces will determine if we are reasonable ito pricing.  Some okes seems happy to score from the forum but are up in arms when they have to pay farking R5 royalty on a branded sticker. 

Again, what do you pay for a KTM / BMW / Rough Rider or whatever branded sticker if you are not ripping it off?


:biggrin:
Jy mis my punt Hein
Ek is heeltemal bereid om R20 of selfs R50 elk te betaal om die wilddogs te ondersteun vir 2 of 3 branded stickers vir my bike of kit of watookal.
Die leave behind stickers is 'n ander storie
Hulle is kleiner, het jou forumnaam op en daar gaan obviously meer van hulle ge-order word
by the way - minimum order by Jules is 50 so minimum prys vir 'n batch is R450
Ons frikken plak die goed oral waar ons kom
Elke bar en venster en naambord en verkeersteken
Dis een of 2 trips dan is 50 in sy moer!
Ek weet nie van die ander w/d nie maar ek het nie R450 elke maand om nog 'n batch leavebehinds te koop nie

Nobody says the forum is not allowed royalties - hell i'm the foremost oke who will support WD branding!
All i'm saying is consider taking less royalties in order to sell more and encourage use of it! :patch:

But hey man - whatever floats your boat :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: da PEEG on April 15, 2013, 05:26:36 pm
PING Adventure...

Do you have any (small)white reflective 'official" paw WD stickers please?

Been trying to get these for over 2-years now(couldn't even buy any from KiLRoy's son at the NW-Bash recently) - getting desperate and frustrated.  I WANT to buy "the correct" one but can't get hold of any, I've tried Schlowy/Just-Bike-n-Tyre/and many more vendors.    

Adventure:
If you can't help me, vendors, where can I get these please?

Who's Adventure? Can't be me, I'm AdventureR.... :deal: :biggrin:
No, I don't have any small ones......at least I don't think so, will check later.....but tell me, where do you want to stick them? :pot: :biggrin:
Your bike back and ready for Nam yet? :peepwall: :biggrin:

OK (seems like Kurt is easier than Adventurer)...
I want to stick them on my helmet (because the Bavarians still have my bike %^&#^^$^#%^)!!!!!!!!      :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: luv2ride on April 15, 2013, 05:30:45 pm
Who are the vendors in Gauteng ( more specifically Pretoria) that actually now have stock?

Seems the bossman missed my question because it was only a one liner and small font   :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 05:31:58 pm
Who are the vendors in Gauteng ( more specifically Pretoria) that actually now have stock?

Seems the bossman missed my question because it was only a one liner and small font   :peepwall:

See boss man's first post and link provided  :peepwall:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?board=28.0

 ;)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: J-dog on April 15, 2013, 05:32:26 pm
geez everyone is antsy - so early in the year. buy the farking stickers with the royalties and support WD's.

Wow, humans suck sometimes.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 05:35:09 pm
OK ........ I see you have to click click click till you get here and then send e-mail ...........

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121129.0

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 05:39:20 pm
geez everyone is antsy - so early in the year. buy the farking stickers with the royalties and support WD's.

Wow, humans suck sometimes.
Come straight out and say it J Dog
Don't beat around the bush!
Humans????
WTF broer...............now gfys !!!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: J-dog on April 15, 2013, 05:42:43 pm
geez everyone is antsy - so early in the year. buy the farking stickers with the royalties and support WD's.

Wow, humans suck sometimes.
Come straight out and say it J Dog
Don't beat around the bush!
Humans????
WTF broer...............now gfys !!!

Well that obviously excludes you. I said "humans"  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: luv2ride on April 15, 2013, 05:44:26 pm
OK ........ I see you have to click click click till you get here and then send e-mail ...........

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121129.0

 :imaposer:
Thanks badballie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 05:45:40 pm
geez everyone is antsy - so early in the year. buy the farking stickers with the royalties and support WD's.

Wow, humans suck sometimes.
Come straight out and say it J Dog
Don't beat around the bush!
Humans????
WTF broer...............now gfys !!!

Well that obviously excludes you. I said "humans"  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Jy tender soutie.............................. :patch:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 05:46:26 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?
Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................
I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(
If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptable
You can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:

Are you seriously complaining about a R20 sticker..referring to it as rape.. that is laughable. You pay how much for KTM branded stuff. I saw a KTM tank bag going for nearly R3k where I can make it myself for about R400, but I don;t see anyone doing that.. buy hell, ask for R20 for a sticker and pay a R5 royalty and you want to get kissed before you get fucked..  :eek7:

You don't want to beat around the bush well here it is, Sounds like you need a dose of grow the fuck up, everytime the forum wants to try and do something there are okes who do nothing except bitch and moan.. Cant we just have one thread on this forum where okes show support

Rather go print your own free stickers and leave us to support the forum.



Kilroy..
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 05:46:42 pm
so can we assume these http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121129.msg2345359#msg2345359 are illegal?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 05:53:02 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?
Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................
I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(
If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptableYou can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:

Are you seriously complaining about a R20 sticker..referring to it as rape.. that is laughable. You pay how much for KTM branded stuff. I saw a KTM tank bag going for nearly R3k where I can make it myself for about R400, but I don;t see anyone doing that.. buy hell, ask for R20 for a sticker and pay a R5 royalty and you want to get kissed before you get fucked..  :eek7:

You don't want to beat around the bush well here it is, Sounds like you need a dose of grow the fuck up, everytime the forum wants to try and do something there are okes who do nothing except bitch and moan.. Cant we just have one thread on this forum where okes show support

Rather go print your own free stickers and leave us to support the forum.



Kilroy..
Aag for fucks sakes
I am tired of trying to get you okes to READ properly
The issue is the price of the smaller leave behind stickers ................not the bigger ones
Didn't i say that i am willing to pay 15 or 20 or even 50 for the big stickers
How much more clearer do i have to make it
Read first ..............................and then attack you idiots!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 05:54:14 pm
I get OS's point - I would propose low quality stickers have a lower royalty and high quality, seldom and low quantity bought stickers have a much higher royalty

edit: or that the royalty is a percentage of the price of the stickers - like sales tax
Title: Re: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Jules on April 15, 2013, 05:59:30 pm
so can we assume these http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121129.msg2345359#msg2345359 are illegal?
my initial idea was to give R1 per leave behind sticker to the forum as it is a high volume item.  As ive already sold some ill somer pay the R4 per sticker difference to the forum as i never clarified it with the owners so it lies with me.
Rest assured if you got stickers from me ill make sure all the royalties will be paid so there will be no issues with you using them!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 06:05:29 pm
Well, I ordered mine from Jules this afternoon. I have sent the pics through yesterday, got designs this afternoon on my phone, replied when I got back to the office. Logged in to get his bank details and saw that he made an honest mistake. Paid the R900,00 over and are still being able to read the forum because I know that I have contributed in keeping it alive. How much do you spend every Friday afternoon at drinks? How much do you spend on farkels for your bike? How much do you spend on WD get togethers? I am going to plak these stickers on every place I stop and are allowed to by the owners. I will have a standing order with Jules soon.... :imaposer:. It is for a good cause, so just support it. Where else can we fight with each other on a forum and still ride together on weekends? FFS, I just spent 10k booking a hunting trip, so R900 for stickers is not a lot. Maybe I will plak them on the dead animals as well....... :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 06:09:05 pm
I get OS's point - I would propose low quality stickers have a lower royalty and high quality, seldom and low quantity bought stickers have a much higher royalty

edit: or that the royalty is a percentage of the price of the stickers - like sales tax

+10000
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Hondsekierie on April 15, 2013, 06:14:17 pm
Ek sal nooit die naam wilddog op my bike of helmet plak, wel n paw en daarvoor betaal ek fokoli - my pel swifty gee dit vir my en dit hoort nie aan hierdie forum ;)

Sbtw, dis n baie mooi paw :biggrin:

Wat betref "leave behind stickers" As jy die eienaar van die eiendom wat jy wil beplak se toestemming het, goed. Indien nie is dit volgens myniks meer as vandalisme, veral op padtekens.

Title: Re: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 06:14:43 pm
so can we assume these http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121129.msg2345359#msg2345359 are illegal?
my initial idea was to give R1 per leave behind sticker to the forum as it is a high volume item.  As ive already sold some ill somer pay the R4 per sticker difference to the forum as i never clarified it with the owners so it lies with me.
Rest assured if you got stickers from me ill make sure all the royalties will be paid so there will be no issues with you using them!

so, why do we not make it a percentage, as in your case 25% of price?  Kilroy??
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 06:33:10 pm
Because we've been around this fucking block for the past 4 years. Since we dont have dedicated office staff (in which case you'll have to pay R60 per sticker as you do with a KTM sticker)  we try to make it as fucking simple as possible.  The deal was that sticker distributers can make there own stickers based on our artwork and new artwork from okes like Jules which gets approved ito branding.  Its an open and trust relationship where an approved sticker distributer can print his own stuff or get stuff from Jules (acting as designer and wholesaler).  These distributers can ask any price for the stickers. They can decide on distribution options and online buying.  The forum gets R5 royalty per sticker sold. Purely on a trust relationship. 

This is the only model we agreed on.  We did not even discuss personalised (which is not problem and a great idea) and cheap throwaway options.  I'm only try to keep things simple to at least get the stickers out to our members and get the model working.  If we want to enhance the model after this first simpe phase is working, we first need to discuss other options and get agreement on an alternative model before we pitch it to the members.  I get to know about it after it was advertised with cost.  In my mind we only have a R5 royalty sticker deal at this stage.  Thats not going to change before we get the basic model working.

I appreciate the members' frustration regarding the sticker situation. Thats why i'm just trying to get the basics in place. 
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 06:39:13 pm
Die BAAS het gepraat.......
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 06:44:18 pm
Because we've been around this fucking block for the past 4 years. Since we dont have dedicated office staff (in which case you'll have to pay R60 per sticker as you do with a KTM sticker)  we try to make it as fucking simple as possible.  The deal was that sticker distributers can make there own stickers based on our artwork and new artwork from okes like Jules which gets approved ito branding.  Its an open and trust relationship where an approved sticker distributer can print his own stuff or get stuff from Jules (acting as designer and wholesaler).  These distributers can ask any price for the stickers. They can decide on distribution options and online buying.  The forum gets R5 royalty per sticker sold. Purely on a trust relationship.  

This is the only model we agreed on.  We did not even discuss personalised (which is not problem and a great idea) and cheap throwaway options.  I'm only try to keep things simple to at least get the stickers out to our members and get the model working.  If we want to enhance the model after this first simpe phase is working, we first need to discuss other options and get agreement on an alternative model before we pitch it to the members.  I get to know about it after it was advertised with cost.  In my mind we only have a R5 royalty sticker deal at this stage.  Thats not going to change before we get the basic model working.

I appreciate the members' frustration regarding the sticker situation. Thats why i'm just trying to get the basics in place.  
PROBLEM SOLVED THEN!!!!

Can i order 2 BIG stickers at R60.00 each please Jules?
One Orange , One Black
I don't care if it costs less
The excess can go to the WD fund :thumleft:

Hold back on the personalised ones for now! ::)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 06:52:06 pm
Well, I ordered mine from Jules this afternoon. I have sent the pics through yesterday, got designs this afternoon on my phone, replied when I got back to the office. Logged in to get his bank details and saw that he made an honest mistake. Paid the R900,00 over and are still being able to read the forum because I know that I have contributed in keeping it alive. How much do you spend every Friday afternoon at drinks? How much do you spend on farkels for your bike? How much do you spend on WD get togethers? I am going to plak these stickers on every place I stop and are allowed to by the owners. I will have a standing order with Jules soon.... :imaposer:. It is for a good cause, so just support it. Where else can we fight with each other on a forum and still ride together on weekends? FFS, I just spent 10k booking a hunting trip, so R900 for stickers is not a lot. Maybe I will plak them on the dead animals as well....... :peepwall: :pot:
I know as a matter of fact that Jules paid or plans to pay back half your money Minzi
Just cause he doesn't want to be seen as a shafter
Almost a grand for 100 (550 x 600 in size) stickers????:dontknow:

Point in case..................????

But whatever works for who ever is just fine!!!
Happyness is yours 
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 06:55:44 pm
this is just so dumb.....  ???  <facepalm>

KR, if you trust the vendors, which I believe one can, take a 'tax' of ~25% on ALL stickers - you don't need staff to manage that....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 07:04:24 pm
Well, I ordered mine from Jules this afternoon. I have sent the pics through yesterday, got designs this afternoon on my phone, replied when I got back to the office. Logged in to get his bank details and saw that he made an honest mistake. Paid the R900,00 over and are still being able to read the forum because I know that I have contributed in keeping it alive. How much do you spend every Friday afternoon at drinks? How much do you spend on farkels for your bike? How much do you spend on WD get togethers? I am going to plak these stickers on every place I stop and are allowed to by the owners. I will have a standing order with Jules soon.... :imaposer:. It is for a good cause, so just support it. Where else can we fight with each other on a forum and still ride together on weekends? FFS, I just spent 10k booking a hunting trip, so R900 for stickers is not a lot. Maybe I will plak them on the dead animals as well....... :peepwall: :pot:
I know as a matter of fact that Jules paid or plans to pay back half your money Minzi
Just cause he doesn't want to be seen as a shafter
Almost a grand for 100 (550 x 600 in size) stickers????:dontknow:

Point in case..................????

But whatever works for who ever is just fine!!!
Happyness is yours 
 :thumleft:
Why would he pay back half of my money? When I placed the order, he changed the price already. If I placed the order before he changed the price, I would have paid in the difference in any case bacause I do not want anybody to be out of pocket due to something out of their control. The R900 is for 50 stickers for Poplap and 50 for myself. I have once bought a framed and signed Springbok jersey of the 95 world cup champions at our church auction for double the price offered because I wanted it really bad ( and maybe because I was slightly drunk) and some other shit at 'manne aande' for good causes because I was REALLYdrunk. As long as it supports something that I want to participate in and lies close to my heart, I WILL overspend. Ek is mos geld se baas man.  :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 07:19:42 pm
Well, I ordered mine from Jules this afternoon. I have sent the pics through yesterday, got designs this afternoon on my phone, replied when I got back to the office. Logged in to get his bank details and saw that he made an honest mistake. Paid the R900,00 over and are still being able to read the forum because I know that I have contributed in keeping it alive. How much do you spend every Friday afternoon at drinks? How much do you spend on farkels for your bike? How much do you spend on WD get togethers? I am going to plak these stickers on every place I stop and are allowed to by the owners. I will have a standing order with Jules soon.... :imaposer:. It is for a good cause, so just support it. Where else can we fight with each other on a forum and still ride together on weekends? FFS, I just spent 10k booking a hunting trip, so R900 for stickers is not a lot. Maybe I will plak them on the dead animals as well....... :peepwall: :pot:
I know as a matter of fact that Jules paid or plans to pay back half your money Minzi
Just cause he doesn't want to be seen as a shafter
Almost a grand for 100 (550 x 600 in size) stickers????:dontknow:

Point in case..................????

But whatever works for who ever is just fine!!!
Happyness is yours 
 :thumleft:
Why would he pay back half of my money? When I placed the order, he changed the price already. If I placed the order before he changed the price, I would have paid in the difference in any case bacause I do not want anybody to be out of pocket due to something out of their control. The R900 is for 50 stickers for Poplap and 50 for myself. I have once bought a framed and signed Springbok jersey of the 95 world cup champions at our church auction for double the price offered because I wanted it really bad ( and maybe because I was slightly drunk) and some other shit at 'manne aande' for good causes because I was REALLYdrunk. As long as it supports something that I want to participate in and lies close to my heart, I WILL overspend. Ek is mos geld se baas man.  :pot: :imaposer:
Nee ma mooi man! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: laurika on April 15, 2013, 07:25:18 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 07:27:26 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

Expect some creative answers...... :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 07:30:59 pm
Why, KR said it a business, one that depends on advertising and merchandise sales only to cover costs.

The charity part is the free service we get  ;D
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Firecoast on April 15, 2013, 07:31:45 pm
Is there copyright on the paws? Since when? And how does an official one differ from a non-official one?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 07:33:59 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.
I would assume there are IT costs to run forum
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 07:35:25 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?

before you call me a kaksoeker again, let me understand what you are saying.. you are saying that the forum is ripping off the digs.. am I correct? I don't want to read incorrectly but it is hard when you are being sarcastic

Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................

If I read correctly this entitles you to what exactly, explain this in context so that you are understood

I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.

Great, thanks for the confession.. did you pay any royalties or at least offer? Lots of okes have been simply doing their own thing due to there not being merchandise available, is it the fault of the forum or the person  
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Well that's the attitude that makes us all proud to be wild dogs

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(

My comment was that if you go and buy KTM stickers how much would you pay? WOW, a whopping R9 a sticker, how on earth will anyone manage to afford that after buying a R100k DS bike

If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

that is your decision.. pass away, thanks for letting us know

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptable
You can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

I agree, but single stickers will still be available, personally I don't want to see paw stickers with okes names on them plastered all over the routes that I ride, but it is what it is, if forum okes decide that littering routes with stickers is a good idea so be it.

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

and how do you suggest the forum makes money?

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:

There.. have I understood you correctly, maybe answer my questions.. or am I just looking for kak  :deal: I have not called you names on any thread, lets keep the debate in a straight line.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 07:38:32 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

If I can comment that as soon as this forum becomes about money the forum is toast.. I was part of a marine fishkeeping forum which went that way, a few members started to question about the money and how much sponsors and advertisers pay etc.. how much money is being made at bashes.. in the end a few members split off and started their own forum, it caused major kak, it was us against them for years until eventually they just lost 50% of the members.

All over money and who was making what
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 07:46:32 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

Where did I use the words 'good cause' and charities?  Where does your money go?  I'll tell you where mine goes if you tell me where yours go?  Putting words in my mouth?

In future if you want to ask me about money, tell me about yours and I'll tell you about mine. If not - the standard answer is that it has fuckall to do with you. Pretty forward I would think?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 07:48:00 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?

before you call me a kaksoeker again, let me understand what you are saying.. you are saying that the forum is ripping off the digs.. am I correct? I don't want to read incorrectly but it is hard when you are being sarcastic

Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................

If I read correctly this entitles you to what exactly, explain this in context so that you are understood

I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.

Great, thanks for the confession.. did you pay any royalties or at least offer? Lots of okes have been simply doing their own thing due to there not being merchandise available, is it the fault of the forum or the person  
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Well that's the attitude that makes us all proud to be wild dogs

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(

My comment was that if you go and buy KTM stickers how much would you pay? WOW, a whopping R9 a sticker, how on earth will anyone manage to afford that after buying a R100k DS bike

If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

that is your decision.. pass away, thanks for letting us know

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptable
You can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

I agree, but single stickers will still be available, personally I don't want to see paw stickers with okes names on them plastered all over the routes that I ride, but it is what it is, if forum okes decide that littering routes with stickers is a good idea so be it.

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

and how do you suggest the forum makes money?

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:

There.. have I understood you correctly, maybe answer my questions.. or am I just looking for kak  :deal: I have not called you names on any thread, lets keep the debate in a straight line.

<sigh> even though FM seems to be begging, please don't make him a mod KR? - I doubt if OS will bother to answer FM's retort
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 07:55:20 pm
I think the sticker issue is settled and explained. The latest seems to be about members thinking that since they are WD members, they have the right to full disclosure about where the forum's money goes. They think we are a club or some form of elected house owners body.

Kind of like a restaurant client asking the owner that he must disclose his money matters since the client is frequenting his place?

Jeez, what has this world coming too?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Firecoast on April 15, 2013, 07:58:55 pm
Could someone PLEASE give KR a hug!!!!

I was merely asking a question... anyway, have enough stickers as it is!!!

Keep up the good work KR.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 08:00:37 pm
I think the sticker issue is settled and explained. The latest seems to be about members thinking that since they are WD members, they have the right to full disclosure about where the forum's money goes. They think we are a club or some form of elected house owners body.

Kind of like a restaurant client asking the owner that he must disclose his money matters since the client is frequenting his place?

Jeez, what has this world coming too?

Distribution of wealth  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: laurika on April 15, 2013, 08:04:25 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

Where did I use the words 'good cause' and charities?  Where does your money go?  I'll tell you where mine goes if you tell me where yours go?  Putting words in my mouth?

In future if you want to ask me about money, tell me about yours and I'll tell you about mine. If not - the standard answer is that it has fuckall to do with you. Pretty forward I would think?
u are overriacting. Minzi said the fees were going to a good cause. I suspect he thnks that its for the wilddogs foundation. So I wondered if he was right ? I was not asking for bankstatements Kilroy...and btw..my money all seems to go to beer and my bike.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:04:52 pm
I think the sticker issue is settled and explained. The latest seems to be about members thinking that since they are WD members, they have the right to full disclosure about where the forum's money goes. They think we are a club or some form of elected house owners body.

Kind of like a restaurant client asking the owner that he must disclose his money matters since the client is frequenting his place?

Jeez, what has this world coming too?

Distribution of wealth  :imaposer:

I doubt that
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Soundboi on April 15, 2013, 08:09:46 pm
Hein ek stem saam. Hein grow up.
Ek reken die forum is geregtig op ń fooi vir die stickers. Maar come on R5 op ń leave behind! Die KTM sticker argument stink, jy koop nie 50 KTM stickers op ń slag nie of 50 nike caps op ń slag nie. Ek reken maak jou potloot bietjie skerp op die saak. Dalk ń persentasie, iets soos 10% of 20% is aanvaarbaar. Nie 125% nie. Business 101. A-nee-a. Ons is mos nou al mooi groot.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: punisher on April 15, 2013, 08:12:09 pm
i just farted . anyone sniffing it must pay me royalties :)


seriously  tho ... i eventually got ....... lets call then "domed paw" stickers , (i did look for the real stuff , but never seemed to get anyone with stock ,) , now  the issue with royalties that should be paid , does the person who supplied me pay , or do i , and if me , where  .. i bought 4 stickers with my forum nic on them

KR ???
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:15:57 pm
i just farted . anyone sniffing it must pay me royalties :)


seriously  tho ... i eventually got ....... lets call then "domed paw" stickers , (i did look for the real stuff , but never seemed to get anyone with stock ,) , now  the issue with royalties that should be paid , does the person who supplied me pay , or do i , and if me , where  .. i bought 4 stickers with my forum nic on them

KR ???

:lol8: :lol8: I know you waited months for them... SAPO!  :imaposer:

but valid question.... are they legal? will you be banned for life? will your bike be scratched?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Vis Arend on April 15, 2013, 08:19:16 pm
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: dual on April 15, 2013, 08:19:45 pm
Is Andy se stickers legal?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: nielvn on April 15, 2013, 08:19:54 pm
Commercialising these organisations always causes problems, what is happening here is that the costs are carried by a small contribution by distributing some merchandise, believe me it could have been much worse, therefor I fully support this effort and am of the opinion that this is fair request from people which runs this forum.  I am really not interested inhow this money gets spend or what the amounts involved are.

There I just put my foot into it again.  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: punisher on April 15, 2013, 08:21:35 pm
i just farted . anyone sniffing it must pay me royalties :)


seriously  tho ... i eventually got ....... lets call then "domed paw" stickers , (i did look for the real stuff , but never seemed to get anyone with stock ,) , now  the issue with royalties that should be paid , does the person who supplied me pay , or do i , and if me , where  .. i bought 4 stickers with my forum nic on them

KR ???

:lol8: :lol8: I know you waited months for them... SAPO!  :imaposer:

but valid question.... are they legal? will you be banned for life? will your bike be scratched?  ;) ;D

JA  and we all know KR is a scratcher   :imaposer:


i just put the fukking things on last night too .pfffft  ...............  months i tell ye  , blerry po@skontoor
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 08:23:48 pm
KR said consumers of illegal stickers are fine, sellers not  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: punisher on April 15, 2013, 08:24:57 pm
KR said consumers of illegal stickers are fine, sellers not  :peepwall:

ok lemme order another 1 500 sets quick   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 08:27:05 pm
Is Andy se stickers legal?  :peepwall:

Yes
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:27:20 pm
KR said consumers of illegal stickers are fine, sellers not  :peepwall:

ok lemme order another 1 500 sets quick   :biggrin:

you will see your Po@skantoor! KR will scratch you from here  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: dual on April 15, 2013, 08:28:28 pm
Is Andy se stickers legal?  :peepwall:

Yes

Phew, almost thought I'd be banned  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 08:33:13 pm
Hein ek stem saam. Hein grow up.
Ek reken die forum is geregtig op ń fooi vir die stickers. Maar come on R5 op ń leave behind! Die KTM sticker argument stink, jy koop nie 50 KTM stickers op ń slag nie of 50 nike caps op ń slag nie. Ek reken maak jou potloot bietjie skerp op die saak. Dalk ń persentasie, iets soos 10% of 20% is aanvaarbaar. Nie 125% nie. Business 101. A-nee-a. Ons is mos nou al mooi groot.

If it was my decision the levy of 'leave behind' stickers would be R15ea, it is nothing more than littering and gurella marketing so you should pay for being an idiot.. why anyone would do it is beyond me. Like I care if Piet Pompies was at Oasis..  wait till you see these stickers plucked everywhere, it is going to cause comment.

When I was in China they had massive problems with people carving their names etc into the great wall of China, everyone was complaining that they want to see it in as much of a natural state as possible, nobody cared if 'James' was there, so to combat this they started issuing peeps with chalk so that they could write their names on the wall for good luck and it could just be washed off.. simple solution to saving graffiti, once all these stickers go up it will be interesting to see who is going to be held responsible for cleaning it all up.. the forum for issuing the stickers and making money off it, or the member for littering.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 08:36:49 pm
no offence is intended, no forum members were hurt in the making of the prevoius post, please don't write me letters  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: dirtyXT on April 15, 2013, 08:38:47 pm
::)
sub
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Jules on April 15, 2013, 08:39:29 pm
@FM
Dude get knotted! Go preach somewhere else your buzzing is giving me a headache!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: dual on April 15, 2013, 08:39:37 pm
Die bord op die Top by Swartbergpas is so beplak, hy is eintlik moer toe

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:41:30 pm
dis hoekom ek altyd se wiskunde moet verpligtend wees op skool....

Hier is 'n thread http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=121678.new#new waar iemand iets positiefs probeer doen en hy is heel gemaklik om binne die reŽls op te tree, maar die reŽls maak net nie lekker sin nie - die reŽls verdubbel sy prys? WTF?

Plaas tog liewer 'n tax op die WD stickers as 'n R5 - dit maak sin, glo my!! dit sal almal happy hou en dis nie meer admin nie
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 08:43:21 pm
@FM
Dude get knotted! Go preach somewhere else your buzzing is giving me a headache!

Well said!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 08:43:40 pm
It's fine to ask the wilddogs not to rip off the forum
Can we also have some sort of say in the forum ripping off the wilddogs?

before you call me a kaksoeker again, let me understand what you are saying.. you are saying that the forum is ripping off the digs.. am I correct? I don't want to read incorrectly but it is hard when you are being sarcastic

Seeing that without the wilddogs on the forum, there is no forum...............................................

If I read correctly this entitles you to what exactly, explain this in context so that you are understood

I'l be the first one to admit that i had reflective stickers printed for own use and also gave some away to my friends.

Great, thanks for the confession.. did you pay any royalties or at least offer? Lots of okes have been simply doing their own thing due to there not being merchandise available, is it the fault of the forum or the person  
The reason for this is that there just were never any wilddog stickers available at the official distributors so i decided WTF!!!

Well that's the attitude that makes us all proud to be wild dogs

Coming back to the second sentence in my remark.
Jules were printing 55 x 60 official personalised leave behind stickers and were going to sell them to us ( as an official distributor of the new paws, at R250.00 per 50
Now we hear that the royalty required by the wilddogs will be R5 per sticker, effectively increasing the price per sticker to R9 each or R450 for 50
Never mind rip off - more like rape! ::) :'(

My comment was that if you go and buy KTM stickers how much would you pay? WOW, a whopping R9 a sticker, how on earth will anyone manage to afford that after buying a R100k DS bike

If its going to cost that much to get the wilddog brand out there i would rather pass.

that is your decision.. pass away, thanks for letting us know

R10 or R15 - hell even R20 for a single bigger sticker in whatever form is acceptable
You can only put so many on your helmet, bike, kit, luggage etc........

I agree, but single stickers will still be available, personally I don't want to see paw stickers with okes names on them plastered all over the routes that I ride, but it is what it is, if forum okes decide that littering routes with stickers is a good idea so be it.

Suggestion: Less royalty per leave behind sticker makes it affordable for the end user thus promoting use and ongoing reprint

and how do you suggest the forum makes money?

Just my 2 c
Use it.........don't use it :thumleft:

There.. have I understood you correctly, maybe answer my questions.. or am I just looking for kak  :deal: I have not called you names on any thread, lets keep the debate in a straight line.

Dis net hy wat 'n post op so kak manier uitmekaar sal trek
Het jy nie beter dinge om te doen nie?

Edit: OS, no need to get personal
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 08:47:31 pm
 :imaposer: no not really, I am just bored tonight. Sorry
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Tweets on April 15, 2013, 08:47:51 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  




Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Jules on April 15, 2013, 08:48:14 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 08:50:05 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

Where did I use the words 'good cause' and charities?  Where does your money go?  I'll tell you where mine goes if you tell me where yours go?  Putting words in my mouth?

In future if you want to ask me about money, tell me about yours and I'll tell you about mine. If not - the standard answer is that it has fuckall to do with you. Pretty forward I would think?
u are overriacting. Minzi said the fees were going to a good cause. I suspect he thnks that its for the wilddogs foundation. So I wondered if he was right ? I was not asking for bankstatements Kilroy...and btw..my money all seems to go to beer and my bike.

I see the WD forum as a good cause. This is the good cause that I were reffering to. Waar anners kan ons kak praat en lekker bike ry? Daar is nie ander forums of kakpraatplekke oor nie. BIJT het soveel politiek gehad dat ek weg is daar. Het weer terug gegaan nadat 'n goeie vriend my gevra het om terug te gaan, maar dit is nie dieselfde nie. YSTERPERD is begin en al waaroor hulle kan praat is tiete, status, spiere en fokol wat te doen het met bikery. Ek sal betaal om WD Forum aan die gang te hou. Colyn het laasjaar gevra vir sponsors om die forum oop te hou, ek het vra gevra en ook probeer uitvind hoeveel hulle nodig het om aan die gang te bly, wag nog vir antwoord meer as 'n jaar later. Hein vra vir sponsors en royalties op WD BRANDED stickers. Let us support the forum where we have freedom of speech where it can be moderated as the owners see fit and still ride our D/S  BIKES and post RR's afterwards.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: tgg on April 15, 2013, 08:51:35 pm
fok julle paar ouens is snaaks
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:52:00 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  






sad to say, but I believe you have just been banned for LIFE!  ;) should have read the rules...
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 08:54:37 pm
Orangeswifty survived.. so will you Tweets  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Hondsekierie on April 15, 2013, 08:55:19 pm
:imaposer: no not really, I am just bored tonight. Sorry

Is dit lekker om so vaak soos jy te wees? :lol8:
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 08:58:19 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules

that is sad, even when said in jest or sarcasm, as what you did was basically good!

I'm starting to wonder if KR should not perhaps get some dogs around him and discuss issues, such as nudity and stickers, before he fires away and pisses the population off unnecessarily - even democracy has to be managed
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Veldbrand on April 15, 2013, 09:01:41 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules
I understand your frustration Jules but it is a pity since the forum will just miss out on the royalties for those then.
So again a storm in a B cup causes the true colours of everybody's implants to shine through.
Eers tiete toe stickers.
Waaroor gaan almal volgende bitch, size?
O nee sorrie dit gaan al vir jare aan.  ::)
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 09:01:59 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules

 No fuck this! Why give in because someone had a brainfart? Jules, you have a good thing going, what the client does with his/her sticker is not your responsibility.
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 09:02:15 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules
Now i'm sorry i commented at all on this thread
Sorry guys - just wanted to clear some prices up
Seker ma my kak manier om dit oor te bring!
Meant no harm or disrespect
Said my say to KR in a PM
After all - we are mates

I still want my personalised avatar stickers Jules
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: tgg on April 15, 2013, 09:02:59 pm
I started with these stupid fucking avatar stickers for fun and as a silent communication form between members going to fun places. I always enjoyed going along some trail and seeing someone's avatar pic stuck on a gate somewhere, lekker to know other dogs had shared your experience even though they were there long before you.

Now it's a major issue.

So let's make it a non issue, I will no longer be doing avatar stickers!
If you ordered one already you will get it for R250 which you can pay to the forum directly, but that is that, no more stickers no more issues, this thread can get deleted and we can get back to being a adventure biking forum.

Jules

that is sad, even when said in jest or sarcasm, as what you did was basically good!

I'm starting to wonder if KR should not perhaps get some dogs around him and discuss issues, such as nudity and stickers, before he fires away and pisses the population off unnecessarily - even democracy has to be managed

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:06:12 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  






Guess what Tweets, the joke is on you. You are counterfeiting my brand. No more forum or bashes for you.... Thank, you made my day. 
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 09:07:57 pm
Die bord op die Top by Swartbergpas is so beplak, hy is eintlik moer toe

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg.html)
Pssssst Veldtie.....................is dit dalk 'n Koedoeskloof sticker wat daar uitsteek links onder?
Jou blerrie vandalisvabond
O my Fok - is dit 'n wilddog paw daai? :thumleft:
o jirretjie tog - jy het die paw in Koedoeskloof se logo ingebou
HKGK! :pot:
Elke gas wat jy huisves sal moet royalties aan die forum betaal
..........ek dink ek het dit gesien op my invoice toe ek daar was!
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 09:09:31 pm
:imaposer: no not really, I am just bored tonight. Sorry

Is dit lekker om so vaak soos jy te wees? :lol8:

Sorry but I don't know 'vaak', google translate says

'It's nice to be as often as you'

It is all tongue and cheek, I really don't mean anything by it, it's only banter. flip everyone is a bit touchy ever since the titty ban. No doubt boobies have a calming effect on the masses. :laughing4:

Bundu.. you hit the nail on the head. Some see the 'leave behind' stickers as a fun thing and some see it as littering and illegal, you will get both views on this site. How the mods deal with it will depend on what decision has been made. I really don't have a problem with stickers, but I put them on my property, not someone elses, some okes won't , so what. If the owners and mods and manufacturers of the stickers say that they have been made to get a royalty and to be stuck anywhere. then that is the decision.
 problem solved.

Can we be friends now :3some:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 09:10:29 pm
What is the good cause that the royalties are paid to? Is there a charity reg nr? Is it the wilddogs foundation? Where does the money go.

Where did I use the words 'good cause' and charities?  Where does your money go?  I'll tell you where mine goes if you tell me where yours go?  Putting words in my mouth?

In future if you want to ask me about money, tell me about yours and I'll tell you about mine. If not - the standard answer is that it has fuckall to do with you. Pretty forward I would think?

Give that man a Bells  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: laurika on April 15, 2013, 09:11:13 pm
 :imaposer:
Tweets got banned: reason? Counterfeit stickers....... :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 09:11:48 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  






Guess what Tweets, the joke is on you. You are counterfeiting my brand. No more forum or bashes for you.... Thank, you made my day. 

FUCK! KR sober up! or you might sit with a mismanaged damaged brand.... read all the fucking posts! there is a problem and it's not something evil like tits...
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: da PEEG on April 15, 2013, 09:12:33 pm
:imaposer:
Tweets got banned: reason? Counterfeit stickers....... :spitcoffee:

He sticks to his principles...   ;)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Veldbrand on April 15, 2013, 09:13:16 pm
Die bord op die Top by Swartbergpas is so beplak, hy is eintlik moer toe

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/dualriders/Album%2001/065.jpg.html)
Pssssst Veldtie.....................is dit dalk 'n Koedoeskloof sticker wat daar uitsteek links onder?
Jou blerrie vandalisvabond
O my Fok - is dit 'n wilddog paw daai? :thumleft:
o jirretjie tog - jy het die paw in Koedoeskloof se logo ingebou
HKGK! :pot:
Elke gas wat jy huisves sal moet royalties aan die forum betaal
..........ek dink ek het dit gesien op my invoice toe ek daar was!
 :peepwall:
Dit het ek al 18 maande gelede met KR uitgeklaar en daai sticker op Swartberg het een van my gaste daar gaan plak.... Gannie name noem soos jy nie... >:D :biggrin:

Edit:
O, en kyk hier ↓↓↓.... ja jou wragtag, daars hy weer....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 15, 2013, 09:14:47 pm
Yep getting banned for giving away something for free is a bit harsh...........

Specially if generic paw with no url.........
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 09:18:07 pm
Ek kannie glo almal gaan so aan nie. En dit oor stickers. Kom oor dit en gaan aan  :snorting:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 09:19:54 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  






Guess what Tweets, the joke is on you. You are counterfeiting my brand. No more forum or bashes for you.... Thank, you made my day. 

FUCK! KR sober up! or you might sit with a mismanaged damaged brand.... read all the fucking posts! there is a problem and it's not something evil like tits...

Did he really do this or did he just say so to get someone pissed? - hopefully sanity will prevail....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:20:59 pm
Tweets and I had a chat / clash about his counterfeit stickers long before. now he is telling me to go fuck myself, he will keep on distributing counterfeit stickers. Sorry, he may laugh his ass off about this, but it is unfortunately costing us income on a brand we built for more that 7 years.  So sorry Bundu and kie - there is a history to this.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 09:22:38 pm
Meeste is Bloubulle wat moan en biets  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:22:46 pm
OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  






Guess what Tweets, the joke is on you. You are counterfeiting my brand. No more forum or bashes for you.... Thank, you made my day. 

FUCK! KR sober up! or you might sit with a mismanaged damaged brand.... read all the fucking posts! there is a problem and it's not something evil like tits...

Did he really do this or did he just say so to get someone pissed? - hopefully sanity will prevail....

He is really doing this - for a while now.  What do you want me to do, tell him it's ok?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 09:23:12 pm

Did he really do this or did he just say so to get someone pissed? - hopefully sanity will prevail....

who knows?
but I do believe that the present debate is even less intellectual than the nudity debate...
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: laurika on April 15, 2013, 09:23:51 pm
 :eek7:Hm.... U can only counterfeit something that is registered. ...I know for a fact Tweetses paws has a little toe nail that varies from the official paws, that alone bla bla bLa....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 09:25:14 pm
Can I post some titties now???? :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 09:27:49 pm
anybody on here that advises and can calm KR down via PM? ...... Please?  ;D

I have met Tweets and he is good oke!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: nielvn on April 15, 2013, 09:27:56 pm
Can I post some titties now???? :peepwall: :pot:

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 09:28:32 pm
Tweets and I had a chat / clash about his counterfeit stickers long before. now he is telling me to go fuck myself, he will keep on distributing counterfeit stickers. Sorry, he may laugh his ass off about this, but it is unfortunately costing us income on a brand we built for more that 7 years.  So sorry Bundu and kie - there is a history to this.


yeah but did you hear, he is only R5.60 for a row of 5, maybe he should be your supplier, he seems to get them really cheap, maybe you can do a deal.  :peepwall: You can sell them for R6.10 ea and still make your R5
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 15, 2013, 09:29:05 pm
:eek7:Hm.... U can only counterfeit something that is registered. ...I know for a fact Tweetses paws has a little toe nail that varies from the official paws, that alone bla bla bLa....

Valid point.....it seems if drastic unilateral decisions here are similar to that experienced in the DRC courts
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 09:29:57 pm
EVERY ONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

I started commenting here just to pull some strings tongue in cheek and draw a comment from KR
Everything in gest!
Nou is hy die twatwaffle?
Come on guys - i admitted to copying the paw
Iv'e since stopped that and am and will be an avid supporter of the brand

support the oke if the price is right for you
Fuck the rest!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 09:36:52 pm
Tweets and I had a chat / clash about his counterfeit stickers long before. now he is telling me to go fuck myself, he will keep on distributing counterfeit stickers. Sorry, he may laugh his ass off about this, but it is unfortunately costing us income on a brand we built for more that 7 years.  So sorry Bundu and kie - there is a history to this.


Tweets? if not banned yet, any response? Huh?

I think it's only fair to contribute a % of sticker sales to maintain the forum - it all depends, I think, how it's structured, and I still believe it should not be a fixed amount per sticker, but a % of sticker value - the suppliers are trustworthy and if not, they know what they have coming....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 09:41:36 pm
EVERY ONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

I started commenting here just to pull some strings tongue in cheek and draw a comment from KR
Everything in gest!
Nou is hy die twatwaffle?
Come on guys - i admitted to copying the paw
Iv'e since stopped that and am and will be an avid supporter of the brand

support the oke if the price is right for you
Fuck the rest!
I did not think you would collapse that easily - but if you're happy and content, great!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:43:16 pm
:eek7:Hm.... U can only counterfeit something that is registered. ...I know for a fact Tweetses paws has a little toe nail that varies from the official paws, that alone bla bla bLa....

Valid point.....it seems if drastic unilateral decisions here are similar to that experienced in the DRC courts

Rule is simple, we have a brand, if you rip the brand off, you get banned. Very reasonable? No court, simple rule, simple consequence.  

Bundu, for the love of god, it's R5 a sticker. That's how the model was discussed and is implemented. We don't want to change it, we want to get the stickers distributed ffs.  We have a workable model, we are now implementing it after years of issues. We don't want to redesign the model, we want to get it working. We are all happy with the arrangement. The issue came with the undiscussed bulk stickers and some okes who is telling me straight that they will keep on ripping the brand off.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 09:45:56 pm
The way I see this is, if it is a WDsticker with the URL on, it is saleable with a royalty. I see no problem with that.  :thumleft:. If at is a pawprint on a D/S bike that belongs to a forum member , and you claim to be a WD and not a supporter of the WFO, then you have a copyright problem.  Correct me if I am wrong.

PS. Jules, I still want my stickers, please.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Geotraveller on April 15, 2013, 09:46:53 pm
EVERY ONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

I started commenting here just to pull some strings tongue in cheek and draw a comment from KR
Everything in gest!
Nou is hy die twatwaffle?
Come on guys - i admitted to copying the paw
Iv'e since stopped that and am and will be an avid supporter of the brand

support the oke if the price is right for you
Fuck the rest!

OK now can you convince Jules to please print my stickers?  
I paid (at royalty price) at about the time he folded up his tent.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bring It On on April 15, 2013, 09:48:31 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 15, 2013, 09:50:29 pm
I'm outa here - my wife speaks more sense than most of you okes here at the moment!
.............and that is rare :peepwall:
 :pottytrain2: :sign10: :thefinger:
 :walk: :wave:

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Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 09:50:51 pm
ok, I know I have been chirping this thread, all in fun, but to get serious for a min, you are never going to stop okes from making stickers, and the money the forum is loosing as a result is very small in relation to what it could be making if the forum shop was up and running or if merchants were correctly stocked with shirts, buffs, patches, caps, etc

I really believe that the average Wild Dog loves this site.. myself included, we want to support the forum because of our bond to it

like Orangeswifty said, most okes made stickers because none were available, same goes for all of the other merchandise, if you don't supply the shirts okes will make their own, maybe not focus on making R5 per sticker but R100 on a shirt, r20 on a cap, R40 on a buff etc.. I can't for the love of money find a buff, if they were around I would buy one and the forum would make money.

If you make it, people will buy it, this thread is just a storm in a teacup, if you provide the stickers, most of the okes will buy, but you will always get the few okes who will make their own.

think of it in a positive way, all good brands have a problem with counterfit goods.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 09:51:00 pm
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: zacapa on April 15, 2013, 09:51:09 pm
WhereTF can I get those stickers? You know the ones, they have like a globulous curvature to them
so they don't look like half empty when you put them on the bikes tank. Just paid more than ZAR 200 for two
of the airhead 70mm flatish ones and they are very shiny in the colours of Bavaria but if I can get the even better
ones that like tune you the where and what its all coming from I am all up for it. Roll out the production line please!
and if they are also 70mm in diameter I will just replace all my BMW airhead badges with the modern style ones
that tells me where I am from and what I are going to. Peace brothers!
Maybe we can do a special "airhead" line of stickers that will sell like mad to a small minority  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:54:58 pm
Let me tell you how simple it is....

We have sanctioned sticker distributers who sell authorized WD stickers at a price they deem fit. R5 of each sticker goes to the forum as a royalty.

If you counterfeit the brand with the name and URL on - I'll sue your ass

If you counterfeit the paw (which can't get registered as a trademark) - I ban your ass

Simple?  Now go on with your lives plse.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bring It On on April 15, 2013, 09:56:31 pm
ok, I know I have been chirping this thread, all in fun, but to get serious for a min, you are never going to stop okes from making stickers, and the money the forum is loosing as a result is very small in relation to what it could be making if the forum shop was up and running or if merchants were correctly stocked with shirts, buffs, patches, caps, etc

I really believe that the average Wild Dog loves this site.. myself included, we want to support the forum because of our bond to it

like Orangeswifty said, most okes made stickers because none were available, same goes for all of the other merchandise, if you don't supply the shirts okes will make their own, maybe not focus on making R5 per sticker but R100 on a shirt, r20 on a cap, R40 on a buff etc.. I can't for the love of money find a buff, if they were around I would buy one and the forum would make money.

If you make it, people will buy it, this thread is just a storm in a teacup, if you provide the stickers, most of the okes will buy, but you will always get the few okes who will make their own.

think of it in a positive way, all good brands have a problem with counterfit goods.  :thumleft:

+100 ;)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 09:57:08 pm
@Kilrioy

Amen.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 09:57:59 pm
Pistol will launch the full range of WD merchandise via an online shop soon.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 09:58:34 pm
question: If I want to make a sticker, can I do so with permission if I pay a R5 royalty?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bring It On on April 15, 2013, 09:59:18 pm
Pistol will launch the full range of WD merchandise via an online shop soon.

 :thumleft: Buffs included??
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Bundu on April 15, 2013, 10:02:01 pm
Rule is simple, we have a brand, if you rip the brand off, you get banned. Very reasonable? No court, simple rule, simple consequence.  

Bundu, for the love of god, it's R5 a sticker. That's how the model was discussed and is implemented. We don't want to change it, we want to get the stickers distributed ffs.  We have a workable model, we are now implementing it after years of issues. We don't want to redesign the model, we want to get it working. We are all happy with the arrangement. The issue came with the undiscussed bulk stickers and some okes who is telling me straight that they will keep on ripping the brand off.

KR, for the love of god, I would love to pay you R50 instead of R5 on a sticker that I buy once every 2/3 years when I get a new bike, but there are okes that advertise your 'company' all over the country by sticking that shit 30-40 times per month and they don't want to be 'taxed' R5 on every R1 sticker - I promise you I'm not trying to give you grief!!! I just think okes like OS should be allowed to advertise WD at an affordable price.... but whatever, tweets, that I've met and known not to be a bad guy banned, I'm done here for now
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 10:06:32 pm
ok, I know I have been chirping this thread, all in fun, but to get serious for a min, you are never going to stop okes from making stickers, and the money the forum is loosing as a result is very small in relation to what it could be making if the forum shop was up and running or if merchants were correctly stocked with shirts, buffs, patches, caps, etc

I really believe that the average Wild Dog loves this site.. myself included, we want to support the forum because of our bond to it

like Orangeswifty said, most okes made stickers because none were available, same goes for all of the other merchandise, if you don't supply the shirts okes will make their own, maybe not focus on making R5 per sticker but R100 on a shirt, r20 on a cap, R40 on a buff etc.. I can't for the love of money find a buff, if they were around I would buy one and the forum would make money.

If you make it, people will buy it, this thread is just a storm in a teacup, if you provide the stickers, most of the okes will buy, but you will always get the few okes who will make their own.

think of it in a positive way, all good brands have a problem with counterfit goods.  :thumleft:

Where the fuck is the fun in your comments? The stickers were not available, everybody made their own and it was overlooked. The problem was adressed and some sort of solution was found.  KR and others are tying to sort out the problems, they came up with a solution and half of the members fucking moan about it.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Firecoast on April 15, 2013, 10:09:00 pm
Pistol will launch the full range of WD merchandise via an online shop soon.

Oh Kilroy..... could I perhaps volunteer to help please.... (I have asked many times)...

We all know women tend to organise and get shit done better  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Heimer on April 15, 2013, 10:10:08 pm
As hierrie die kyp flets was het pety van die mense laankal gefokkof en hulle eie kerk gaan stig

Ekke bid nog lekke hiesso
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 10:11:06 pm
oh relax MINZI, focus. we are talking about serious cash here, R5 a sticker I buy once a year

I am not going to loose any sleep over it

+1 Bundu

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 10:12:09 pm
Rule is simple, we have a brand, if you rip the brand off, you get banned. Very reasonable? No court, simple rule, simple consequence.  

Bundu, for the love of god, it's R5 a sticker. That's how the model was discussed and is implemented. We don't want to change it, we want to get the stickers distributed ffs.  We have a workable model, we are now implementing it after years of issues. We don't want to redesign the model, we want to get it working. We are all happy with the arrangement. The issue came with the undiscussed bulk stickers and some okes who is telling me straight that they will keep on ripping the brand off.

KR, for the love of god, I would love to pay you R50 instead of R5 on a sticker that I buy once every 2/3 years when I get a new bike, but there are okes that advertise your 'company' all over the country by sticking that shit 30-40 times per month and they don't want to be 'taxed' R5 on every R1 sticker - I promise you I'm not trying to give you grief!!! I just think okes like OS should be allowed to advertise WD at an affordable price.... but whatever, tweets, that I've met and known not to be a bad guy banned, I'm done here for now

Look, we are not interested in subsidizing sticker adds at the moment. We are only interested in R5 sticker royalties

As for Tweets, nice okes does not steal our income by distributing counterfeit stickers. And when confronted, stating it straight that fuck me, he will continue doing it. That's not what nice okes do, sorry.

FC, I've asked for sticker distributors now for more than a months, the okes responded. This is not a volunteer model, but a business model.  
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 15, 2013, 10:12:27 pm
As hierrie die kyp flets was het pety van die mense laankal gefokkof en hulle eie kerk gaan stig

Ja ma check dissie capies wat biets nie , nadat ons die Haaie geslet is ons almal heppy go lucky
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Firecoast on April 15, 2013, 10:15:51 pm
Rule is simple, we have a brand, if you rip the brand off, you get banned. Very reasonable? No court, simple rule, simple consequence.  

Bundu, for the love of god, it's R5 a sticker. That's how the model was discussed and is implemented. We don't want to change it, we want to get the stickers distributed ffs.  We have a workable model, we are now implementing it after years of issues. We don't want to redesign the model, we want to get it working. We are all happy with the arrangement. The issue came with the undiscussed bulk stickers and some okes who is telling me straight that they will keep on ripping the brand off.

KR, for the love of god, I would love to pay you R50 instead of R5 on a sticker that I buy once every 2/3 years when I get a new bike, but there are okes that advertise your 'company' all over the country by sticking that shit 30-40 times per month and they don't want to be 'taxed' R5 on every R1 sticker - I promise you I'm not trying to give you grief!!! I just think okes like OS should be allowed to advertise WD at an affordable price.... but whatever, tweets, that I've met and known not to be a bad guy banned, I'm done here for now

Look, we are not interested in subsidizing sticker adds at the moment. We are only interested in R5 sticker royalties

As for Tweets, nice okes does not steal our income by distributing counterfeit stickers. And when confronted, stating it straight that fuck me, he will continue doing it. That's not what nice okes do, sorry.

FC, I've asked for sticker distributors now for more than a months, the okes responded. This is not a volunteer model, but a business model.  

Yes, and I am trying to help you with it... not just with the stickers.

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 10:17:20 pm
If you organise it half as well as you did Amageza you have the skills FC
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Yami Super 10 on April 15, 2013, 10:30:27 pm
KR,

I dont wanna stur or piss on this parade.
I have been part of this forum since 2008 (me think) I have bought T-shirts through the forum vendor, which you where part of the distributing part, as well as receiving the payments. As I still have the banking detail on my ABSA account that I did the EFT transfer.

That was then. How long has it been where WD have asked where to get ANY Merchandise?
Does the Mods come back? Please take just some time and go and look at the years of people asking for stickers, T shirts and what not.

I think if it was not for the guys making the odd stickers as well as T shirts, this forum will not be where its today.

I do understand fully that you would like to receive royalties. But surely one has to make sure that you have stock as well as suppliers to give to those who want.

As what I see, the demand is bigger that what you could cope with.

I am also aware that rules are rules.
But then the ďofficeĒ needs to get their act sorted and supply to act on the demand so that the rules can be applied.


Just my 2c.

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Moondog on April 15, 2013, 10:31:10 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: laurika on April 15, 2013, 10:35:59 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(
+100....thanks for that..just this weekend he got two ulysses guys to ride with the WD to persuade them to join....
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: MINZI on April 15, 2013, 10:37:24 pm
oh relax MINZI, focus. we are talking about serious cash here, R5 a sticker I buy once a year

I am not going to loose any sleep over it

+1 Bundu



And R900 worth of stickers I bought legally wrt the forum rules and not bitching about it and then trying to make it out as a joke.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 10:39:43 pm
ok, I'll bite

How did I make it out to be a joke?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 10:48:17 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Moondog on April 15, 2013, 10:49:51 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.

Its your forum mate - stuff it up as much as you like.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 10:54:35 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.

Its your forum mate - stuff it up as much as you like.

Great response.... So what will you do if 'a great person' rips off your brand to deny you of income. When you put a rule in place to stop this, this person laughs in your face and tells you he will keep on doing it.

Come mt character witness, what will you do in my position? What will the reasonable man do. Quick with making me the twatwaffle, give me a solution. What will you do?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Sidpitt on April 15, 2013, 10:57:31 pm
I cant wait for this thread to move off the sticker issue and onto the other more expensive merchandise, like T-shirts and buffs and paw printed edible undies!
 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

Just kidding...... >:D >:D >:D  PLEASE DONT BAN ME (for that light hearted comment)!

Kilroy, please answer me this:
Because I could not find any stickers (as an excited newbie) I made my own reflective paw stickers (without the URL on them) and proudly display them on all my bikes and gear.

See pic.

This was not to screw the system or the forum but rather to assist to promote it.

Now, if I promise to buy 10 x WD Stickers, pay the royalties on them and stick them up wherever I go, (to assist with the promotion of your / our brand) will you please consider not banning me? (even if my paw sticker is not that of a wilddog but of a Rottweiler)
 :angel8: :angel8: :angel8: :angel8: :angel8: :angel8:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 11:02:44 pm
Dude I realise and accept the fact that due to our distribution inability okes made their own stickers. What piss me off is

1 some okes saw the business opportunity and sold these stickers for huge profits ( not the oke making a few for himself)

2 the sticker situation is now sorted, then okes like Tweets still tell me straight that he will keep on counterfeiting the brand, while his tjommies support his actions
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 11:10:37 pm
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.

Its your forum mate - stuff it up as much as you like.

Great response.... So what will you do if 'a great person' rips off your brand to deny you of income. When you put a rule in place to stop this, this person laughs in your face and tells you he will keep on doing it.

Come mt character witness, what will you do in my position? What will the reasonable man do. Quick with making me the twatwaffle, give me a solution. What will you do?

So come on moondog, it's easy making me the twatwaffle in this story. What would you have done in my position. Do you condone your tjommie ripping off the brand. Is this what great people do?  Don't post accusations which you are not prepared to defend.  According to you a great injustice was done, what exactly is this injustice, and who caused this injustice?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 11:19:25 pm
Kilroy, it's your party but

Why not let everyone make their own stickers, they make them and stick them all over their bikes and helmets because they are proud WD members

You can make money on:

Vendor annual fees
A cut of bash profits
Merchandise, buffs, MX shirts, t shirts, caps, hats, bottle openers etc the sky is the limit, just make the stuff and distribute it to okes with shops.. done and dusted. Okes will support you.

The members making and plukking your stickers everywhere is only advertising YOUR forum and recruiting new members, it is benefiting you already.. is'nt that worth more than the R5 you make off a sticker

Just asking, because the damage this thread is doing is not worth all the money from all the stickers you will make in a whole year, banning good members who add value to the forum because you are not collecting your R5 per sticker degrades their overall value which I think is worth a lot more than the money especially as you have other revenue streams.

just a question and a suggestion.. please don't ban me
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 11:22:36 pm
No, but thanks for your suggestion
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Sidpitt on April 15, 2013, 11:23:38 pm
Kilroy, I'm with Moondog and Yami Super 10 on this one mate!

Instead of being hard ass about it and getting all tense because one of the forums dedicated supporters told you off because you want to make money out of selling stickers, why not accept that we all enjoy this site and will not do anything to see it go down.

Were are your marketing skills dude?
eg. Have a 1000 Buffs made tomorrow, increase the selling price by R10 each, and you will sell them all in a week.
(if your distribution skills are on par)

Then, give away 10 000 wilddog stickers to anyone who wants one (or more).....get more members onto the forum who in turn will buy more Buffs.
They will advertise the forum for you, for free at no charge.

PS: We're in this together man, listen to suggestions and stop being a Boss! (for a few bucks on stickers)
Have you listened to the offer Firecoast  made earlier?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Sidpitt on April 15, 2013, 11:25:00 pm
Kilroy, it's your party but

Why not let everyone make their own stickers, they make them and stick them all over their bikes and helmets because they are proud WD members

You can make money on:

Vendor annual fees
A cut of bash profits
Merchandise, buffs, MX shirts, t shirts, caps, hats, bottle openers etc the sky is the limit, just make the stuff and distribute it to okes with shops.. done and dusted. Okes will support you.

The members making and plukking your stickers everywhere is only advertising YOUR forum and recruiting new members, it is benefiting you already.. is'nt that worth more than the R5 you make off a sticker

Just asking, because the damage this thread is doing is not worth all the money from all the stickers you will make in a whole year, banning good members who add value to the forum because you are not collecting your R5 per sticker degrades their overall value which I think is worth a lot more than the money especially as you have other revenue streams.

just a question and a suggestion.. please don't ban me

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 11:29:09 pm
No, but thanks for your suggestion

ok, well, start banning.. you have a lot of people to get through  :thumleft:
 
I will remove my stickers off my bike just to be 100% sure I am within your rules, and honestly, I don't feel like advertising the forum for free anymore.

Serious a free sticker.. you won't even give WD members that.. wow, I'm not even worth that much to this forum.

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 11:29:38 pm
Dude the same argument will come up....

Why must I pay x for a t-shirt/buff/whatever when I can make my counterfeit tshirts for y

There is no issue, we sell stickers here. We don't want people to rip off the brand. We all are happy with this except for Tweets for some or other reason.

So no, our stickers will stay.

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 11:34:17 pm
ok but how are you going to control it

you can't.. so you are not using the situation to your advantage and rewarding members for their loyal support, instead you have placed the value of the average WD member at below R5.

Your call.. it is not for me to agree or disagree with you on it, it is your decision and the consequences of that decision are yours.. just like e tolls, most of the okes will just go along with it, for some it will leave a sour taste and for the rest.. well fuck it, they will just skip the toll s and tell the owners to get knotted..

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Yami Super 10 on April 15, 2013, 11:41:24 pm
Hi KR,

I would like to put a order in plz.
50 of these below :thumleft:

Can I do the EFT :deal: When could I expect it?
Whats your cost?

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Heimer on April 15, 2013, 11:42:04 pm
I heard that some dudes got a free sticker in the mail after they joined (years ago)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 15, 2013, 11:47:29 pm
It's a question of principle and ethics. It's not ethical to rip off a commercial brand. It is a source of income to this forum. Something we created out of nothing.

Rather turn the question around and think if the R5 royalty per sticker is worth what you get from this forum for free. This is a place where you meet friends, read ride reports, go for rides, chat about all sort of things, get technical advice, buy and sell things, etc.  but no, still it's too much to ask to pay a royalty of R5 per sticker?

Sorry, the irony of this is only superseded by the sadness of this matter. Buy the sticker or don't, that's your choice, but don't rip it off please.  And think carefully if the royalty and price to pay is worth what you get here on this forum...everything you get is free, so you expect me to provide free stickers too?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 15, 2013, 11:57:47 pm
valid point, I was'nt suggesting you provide the stickers for free.. just give permission for people to make a sticker, it would cost you nothing.

Yes you loose some income, I can't see the R5 you get from a sale of a sticker as being a bank breaker for you, but it goes a long way to goodwill, instead you are being met with resistance which you are not calculating the cost of.

If I buy a DNA filter or a K&N filter I get a sticker which I put on my bike and it advertises that brand for years on every ride I go on

Good business sence.. hell yes.

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Yami Super 10 on April 16, 2013, 12:12:42 am
It's a question of principle and ethics. It's not ethical to rip off a commercial brand. It is a source of income to this forum. Something we created out of nothing.

Rather turn the question around and think if the R5 royalty per sticker is worth what you get from this forum for free. This is a place where you meet friends, read ride reports, go for rides, chat about all sort of things, get technical advice, buy and sell things, etc.  but no, still it's too much to ask to pay a royalty of R5 per sticker?

Sorry, the irony of this is only superseded by the sadness of this matter. Buy the sticker or don't, that's your choice, but don't rip it off please.  And think carefully if the royalty and price to pay is worth what you get here on this forum...everything you get is free, so you expect me to provide free stickers too?

KR,

I am a quiet WD, never taken it on to take a fellow WD on.
But I think you are missing the main point.
1 You as the Forum could never supply and keep up with the demand.
Thats where it all started.
And if someone of the WD opted to make stickers, what ever they made, I am sure they did not become millionaires.

This trend You as the Main dog, should have stopped years back. As said before, go and look up at all the treads of where new dogs asked for stickers and stuff.

Thus by doing it and you out of the royalty fees, You have benefitted much more out of what they have been doing for years.
This WD forum has grown.

I am not saying that if someone tells you in your face to go and F your self. Thats between you and him.

But what I am getting to. The Forum has and could never supply the demand.
So, dont you think you need to start there FIRST before you want to ban every one who has a Non Loyalty sticker??

If I could buy the stuff I want, I would pay for it. If I cant get it where I should, well then I look for it.
I am dam sure you would do, exactly that as well.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Moondog on April 16, 2013, 12:20:37 am
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.

Its your forum mate - stuff it up as much as you like.

Great response.... So what will you do if 'a great person' rips off your brand to deny you of income. When you put a rule in place to stop this, this person laughs in your face and tells you he will keep on doing it.

Come mt character witness, what will you do in my position? What will the reasonable man do. Quick with making me the twatwaffle, give me a solution. What will you do?

So come on moondog, it's easy making me the twatwaffle in this story. What would you have done in my position. Do you condone your tjommie ripping off the brand. Is this what great people do?  Don't post accusations which you are not prepared to defend.  According to you a great injustice was done, what exactly is this injustice, and who caused this injustice?

Firstly, Im not sure what I accused you of. I suggested that in my opinion, your actions have destroyed brand value  - that is my opinion and you are of course entitled to a different one.

You ask me what I would do in your position - well, quite frankly, I wouldn't be in your position. If you run www.wilddog.za.net as a business, then that is exactly how you need to behave - like a businessman - you are not a moderator on this forum, you are the owner. The owner of a business treats it like his own child - not making spur of the moment decisions, but rather taking a step back, seeking opportunities and making decisions based on complete information after thorough consideration.

You are sitting on a potential goldmine with this forum and you have done brilliantly to get it where it is today, but if you want to extract the value out of it, the components that will make cash - like branded items, advertising, etc, need to be properly managed, and will need a lot of good old fashioned work. These items, and the appeal to your vendors / advertisers is based almost completely on your brand value - so every decision must be based on whether it builds or destroys brand value.

People like Tweets are a huge asset to your forum, because the things that they do (helping forum members, planning rides, etc) appeal to the mass 'customer' that you are trying to retain. Even the very action that has pissed you off so badly here is based on trying to attract people to bashes, rides  and other gatherings - getting people to interact with eachother - which is the lifeblood of this platform - making it so much more than just an internet forum - at the cost of a few R5's.

I think this at you are trying to defend an undefendable position with the plain paw sticker - simply because it is already so widely used all over SA and the rest of the world. Anyway, most businesses would die for the free publicity - you could even request that the paw is printed with your www address - improving your visibility and generating even more clicks.

There you have it - free advice, use, or dont.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Yami Super 10 on April 16, 2013, 12:27:20 am
You want to talk about brand value - go and have a look (search) what Tweets has done for the brand value of this forum - when someone is in need, there is no limit to how far he will go to help a member in trouble - helping with kit, tools, driving 1000's of kilos to collect a broken or damaged bike, and the list goes on - for the cost of a few stickers given away for free, an unmeasurable amount of brand value on the Wilddog brand has been destroyed tonight - damn sad day in my humble opinion.  :(  >:(

Cry me a river. Great human being no doubt. Met him myself. Telling me straight to go fuck myself he will continue to rip of the brand and deny us of income.  Sorry, that's not going to work. Why don't you rather go ask your mate why he insist on ripping off the brand and to deny us of income? Sorry, your character witness does not reflect his behavior. That you need to ask him why.

Its your forum mate - stuff it up as much as you like.

Great response.... So what will you do if 'a great person' rips off your brand to deny you of income. When you put a rule in place to stop this, this person laughs in your face and tells you he will keep on doing it.

Come mt character witness, what will you do in my position? What will the reasonable man do. Quick with making me the twatwaffle, give me a solution. What will you do?

So come on moondog, it's easy making me the twatwaffle in this story. What would you have done in my position. Do you condone your tjommie ripping off the brand. Is this what great people do?  Don't post accusations which you are not prepared to defend.  According to you a great injustice was done, what exactly is this injustice, and who caused this injustice?

Firstly, Im not sure what I accused you of. I suggested that in my opinion, your actions have destroyed brand value  - that is my opinion and you are of course entitled to a different one.

You ask me what I would do in your position - well, quite frankly, I wouldn't be in your position. If you run www.wilddog.za.net as a business, then that is exactly how you need to behave - like a businessman - you are not a moderator on this forum, you are the owner. The owner of a business treats it like his own child - not making spur of the moment decisions, but rather taking a step back, seeking opportunities and making decisions based on complete information after thorough consideration.

You are sitting on a potential goldmine with this forum and you have done brilliantly to get it where it is today, but if you want to extract the value out of it, the components that will make cash - like branded items, advertising, etc, need to be properly managed, and will need a lot of good old fashioned work. These items, and the appeal to your vendors / advertisers is based almost completely on your brand value - so every decision must be based on whether it builds or destroys brand value.

People like Tweets are a huge asset to your forum, because the things that they do (helping forum members, planning rides, etc) appeal to the mass 'customer' that you are trying to retain. Even the very action that has pissed you off so badly here is based on trying to attract people to bashes, rides  and other gatherings - getting people to interact with eachother - which is the lifeblood of this platform - making it so much more than just an internet forum - at the cost of a few R5's.

I think this at you are trying to defend an undefendable position with the plain paw sticker - simply because it is already so widely used all over SA and the rest of the world. Anyway, most businesses would die for the free publicity - you could even request that the paw is printed with your www address - improving your visibility and generating even more clicks.

There you have it - free advice, use, or dont.

Well said Moondog :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 16, 2013, 12:56:25 am
Thanks for the free advice Moondog.

Building the brand however does not mean bending over backwards and allowing to get shafted by a few individuals who rip off your brand. Building your brand also mean setting clear and fair boundaries wrt to business ethics and the model we are working towards.

YS10, we had a situation for a few years where we couldn't supply members with stickers. This resulted in okes doing their own thing,which can be expected.

This however now changed with a more 'open source' model where many sticker vendors can now make and distribute WD stickers (I explained this in previous posts).  This mean that the demand can be catered for, while still remaining central control over the range of stickers available, especially from a brand consistency point of view.  These stickers are now available through quite a few distributors, all making profits in the process. The deal is R5 royalty to go to the forum. 

This model is now in place and we will grow it.  Since we now have the means to distribute stickers I requests the previous counterfeiters (in the absence of our capability) to please stop, to apply sound ethics and buy WD stickers via the formal channels.  99% of people have no issue doing just that.

The point is, I do view the stickers as an important branded product, not only for the forum, but also for the wholesalers and distributors.  Our vendors also like stocking stickers in order to attract clients.

So this is the business model I would like to pursue. In order to realise this, I need to crack down on the okes counterfeiting stickers and not generating the R5 royalty.  So when someone tells me straight that he is not prepared to stop distributing counterfeit stickers (to the WD captured audience to add insult to injury) it leaves me with little option as to act tough.  I don't think my request is unreasonable and would be supported by 99% of forum members.  I appreciate that the person in question is a stand up guy, which leaves me more perplex by his behavior. Maybe you can shed light on this matter?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 16, 2013, 03:55:39 am
Lets be honest Tweets post was a bit of an overreaction to the OP. After that the fred went to pieces.

Guys who already have free/homemade stickers can keep them, but distributors need to pay a R5 royalty per sticker on a go forward basis. Seriously, why does this have to be such a big deal?

Its KR's deal and the way he wants to manage it is his decision. Its not a democracy. KR and his co founders have put a lot of time and effort building this forum into what it is now, and if they want to control the branding then the decision still remains with them. Anyone who wants to openly rebel against the founders decision can go ahead but the consequences are obvious. Bit like KR's avatar - Let me tell you something Pendejo... ;D

A bit silly to start a pissing contest over a sticker that costs only five bucks. :dontknow:

At least there are stickers readily available now - Something we have all be moaning about for years.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Vis Arend on April 16, 2013, 04:11:38 am
Lets be honest Tweets post was a bit of an overreaction to the OP. After that the fred went to pieces.

Guys who already have free/homemade stickers can keep them, but distributors need to pay a R5 royalty per sticker on a go forward basis. Seriously, why does this have to be such a big deal?

Its KR's deal and the way he wants to manage it is his decision. Its not a democracy. KR and his co founders have put a lot of time and effort building this forum into what it is now, and if they want to control the branding then the decision still remains with them. Anyone who wants to openly rebel against the founders decision can go ahead but the consequences are obvious. Bit like KR's avatar - Let me tell you something Pendejo... ;D

A bit silly to start a pissing contest over a sticker that costs only five bucks. :dontknow:

At least there are stickers readily available now - Something we have all be moaning about for years.

Nuff said.   :thumleft:  So lets go riding and post some RR's.   :deal:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Firecoast on April 16, 2013, 07:09:56 am
Ai toggie... the way I see it... if needs / wants aren't met, people will seek it elsewhere...

KR, you go on about building the brand and yet you are busy destroying it yourself, with some radical decisions which are starting to divide people on your precious forum.

This forum was all about solidarity when I joined and now.... for a few months, it has just gone a bit backwards... with a lot of in-fighting and so on.

I commend you on all your ventures and even though you have asked for help, you are a bit reluctant to relinquish a bit of control.

Fuck oke, there's people out there who wish to help and to build up the awesomeness that used to be being a wild dog.

Wake up!
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: BrandsiekBrak on April 16, 2013, 07:12:47 am
Lets be honest Tweets post was a bit of an overreaction to the OP. After that the fred went to pieces.

Guys who already have free/homemade stickers can keep them, but distributors need to pay a R5 royalty per sticker on a go forward basis. Seriously, why does this have to be such a big deal?

Its KR's deal and the way he wants to manage it is his decision. Its not a democracy. KR and his co founders have put a lot of time and effort building this forum into what it is now, and if they want to control the branding then the decision still remains with them. Anyone who wants to openly rebel against the founders decision can go ahead but the consequences are obvious. Bit like KR's avatar - Let me tell you something Pendejo... ;D

A bit silly to start a pissing contest over a sticker that costs only five bucks. :dontknow:

At least there are stickers readily available now - Something we have all be moaning about for years.

Nuff said.   :thumleft:  So lets go riding and post some RR's.   :deal:

Agreed, thread was entertaining enough, but think it should come to an end now

As a lot of other dogs, I was sorry to see Tweets get banned, hopefully KR and Tweets can settle their differences, But that is between them, and thus stay there

Big ups to KR for not giving in after making a clear decision, think we all saw how fast thing can go wrong

Lets ride
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 16, 2013, 08:17:51 am
Shit......................little did i know that my initial post (no7 on page 1) would open such a can of worms. :bueller:

Truly - my initial light hearted intention was to get KR to comment on the leave behind sticker royalties, something he claims he did not know about at the time. Shows you - if it is a contentious issue - people tend to take it serious!

The facts are the following:
1     The forum is a branded entity which carries weight w.r.t. advertising etc.... and KR is entitled to take counterfeighting seriously.
2     Stckers are now being printed and sold through a dedicated network of suppliers. If you need one buy it from there and get the REAL deal.
If you have been printing unbranded stickers before..stop it and don't use them!
3     Lets face it - Tweets overstepped the line a bit and KR is in his rights to ban the guy, notwithstanding that he may be a huge contributor to the   WD brand. Lets leave them to sort it out!
4    As for the issue on personalised avatar leave behind stickers - whether you leave a sticker trail or not, your choice. Decisions w.r.t. viability of the branded ones at the current price is personal. Buy them or don't

I apologise for adding to the confusion in my initial post ::) 
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: badballie on April 16, 2013, 08:22:59 am
KR : " I appreciate that the person in question is a stand up guy, which leaves me more perplex by his behavior. Maybe you can shed light on this matter?"

OK I do not profess to know Tweets that well or his intentions, but will explain how I see it.

During the time that it was very difficult to obtain WD authorized stickers, he made generic ones so that people can also have a sticker.

He was ethical in that he did not copy the actual authentic WD brand, nor did he include the WD URL, further he refuses to sell it, so not making a profit. He also refuses to post it or give it away unless someone has made the effort to go to a Bash or "jol".

So in essence he was not "stealing" revenue, nor counter-fitting, he was doing his bit to assist in a void. He did this out of his own pocket.

I imagine I can understand his perspective, he has done so for some time, purely to help build the brand, but instead of a thanks he is chastised.

(I am not saying it is right or wrong - just explaining it how I see it)

His blunt statements and amusement, may have stemmed from the fact that he feels he is doing WD a service, not disservice.

So really I doubt he was trying to undermine the WD brand. He may be hardegat, but I wont label him as someone intent on ripping of the brand.  
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 16, 2013, 08:29:20 am
KR : " I appreciate that the person in question is a stand up guy, which leaves me more perplex by his behavior. Maybe you can shed light on this matter?"

OK I do not profess to know Tweets that well or his intentions, but will explain how I see it.

During the time that it was very difficult to obtain WD authorized stickers, he made generic ones so that people can also have a sticker.

He was ethical in that he did not copy the actual authentic WD brand, nor did he include the WD URL, further he refuses to sell it, so not making a profit. He also refuses to post it or give it away unless someone has made the effort to go to a Bash or "jol".

So in essence he was not "stealing" revenue, nor counter-fitting, he was doing his bit to assist in a void. He did this out of his own pocket.

I imagine I can understand his perspective, he has done so for some time, purely to help build the brand, but instead of a thanks he is chastised.

(I am not saying it is right or wrong - just explaining it how I see it)

His blunt statements and amusement, may have stemmed from the fact that he feels he is doing WD a service, not disservice.

So really I doubt he was trying to undermine the WD brand. He may be hardegat, but I wont label him as someone intent on ripping of the brand.  
I tend to agree with ballie but Tweets should have read the thread before posting his silly remarks
He tends to jump into the middle of an argument without first reading the argumentative sides and ends up pissing some one off
He's done it to me before...........and i don't hold it against him
I like the guy
KR likes him too and contrary to popular belief is not as hardegat as most think
( i think i am worse than him)
I'm sure this will be sorted out amicably

PING Tweets - give the guy a call! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: punisher on April 16, 2013, 08:43:57 am
You DON'T want to see my hardegat side pfffft .... I will sommer flick my branded toe jam at you.  Jirrrrrrre
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: IceCreamMan on April 16, 2013, 08:55:46 am
Unfortuantely I have no way of determining which of the stickers on my moto are legal and which have been clandestinely manufactured and counterfeited, so to prevent confusion in this regard I reckon best to remove them all eh....

eish.... sincere apologies for any possible infringements on anyone's perceived or otherwise brand or copyrights...
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: RobC on April 16, 2013, 08:57:30 am
Anyone can download those things off the web anywhere and reprint
just like a Justin Biebier song you cut to CD... it remains copyright infringement... :sip:

Koop nou die sticker by die legal vendors soos 'n soet seuntjie nou OS... :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: IceCreamMan on April 16, 2013, 09:11:59 am
Anyone can download those things off the web anywhere and reprint
just like a Justin Biebier song you cut to CD... it remains copyright infringement... :sip:

Koop nou die sticker by die legal vendors soos 'n soet seuntjie nou OS... :pot:

No, not quite the same thing Robc...the paw is not copy written (it cannot be) .....so no infringement...the infringement would come if one had WD written inside the paw or something if that were copywritten which by all accounts it is not.

there are zillions of stickers of the paw sans any writing etc...I have seen them on vehicles owned by ppl who don't know an adventure bike from a superbike....

so , it is not theft to download an image of the net which is not copywritten an making stickers from it....nothing illegal in that an KR alluded to such in a previous post....

Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: da PEEG on April 16, 2013, 09:13:47 am
Am I still allowed to display my World Wildlife Foundation paw on my bike?

I thought I bought it to contribute to saving the African Painted Dog?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Yami Super 10 on April 16, 2013, 09:19:33 am
Here is a PAW from bushlore 4x4 hire.

I have taken the PAW off and just stuck it on its own :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on April 16, 2013, 09:21:01 am
The fact that people " counterfeit " the " Brand " is indicative of its success and as a result the reason for the shortage. In business its supply and demand and if a " customer " cannot EASILY obtain what he wants at the right price he buys else where. Simple. I am proud to be a member and display my stickers with pride. Our local group of riders (Grahamstown Greyhounds) all have personalized shirts proudly displaying the WD emblem. We don't sell it at traffic lights and don't market it. Next time I have a batch made I will gladly send you the art work we require and if you can have them made I will buy from you. I feel that you are not meeting the demand or requirements of the members in this regard and if you where this thread would not exist and the counterfeiting would disappear. I am saying that there is a huge market out there so make use of it.

Two suggestions.

1. Make the standard WD stock available through the bike shop network. Increasing your footprint and also creating a marketing base for new members.

2. Make available a ordering thread where we can order personalized shirts etc that we require.

But hay that would just create more demand and less availability. Got used to that.  :(

OR

Just maybe it would create more income.




    
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 16, 2013, 09:59:02 am
Shit......................little did i know that my initial post (no7 on page 1) would open such a can of worms. :bueller:

Truly - my initial light hearted intention was to get KR to comment on the leave behind sticker royalties, something he claims he did not know about at the time. Shows you - if it is a contentious issue - people tend to take it serious!

The facts are the following:
1     The forum is a branded entity which carries weight w.r.t. advertising etc.... and KR is entitled to take counterfeighting seriously.
2     Stckers are now being printed and sold through a dedicated network of suppliers. If you need one buy it from there and get the REAL deal.
If you have been printing unbranded stickers before..stop it and don't use them!
3     Lets face it - Tweets overstepped the line a bit and KR is in his rights to ban the guy, notwithstanding that he may be a huge contributor to the   WD brand. Lets leave them to sort it out!
4    As for the issue on personalised avatar leave behind stickers - whether you leave a sticker trail or not, your choice. Decisions w.r.t. viability of the branded ones at the current price is personal. Buy them or don't

I apologise for adding to the confusion in my initial post ::) 

 :thumleft: baie respek vir jou my maat
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Snafu on April 16, 2013, 10:03:23 am
Is Andy se stickers legal?  :peepwall:

Yes, and he is paying his royoalties
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Soundboi on April 16, 2013, 10:13:55 am
Yawn!!

Bad business, I'll leave it at that.
Supply my needs at a fair price and I will support you. Don't and I wont. Simple
Artwork, Printing, Cutting, Packaging, transport, postage and profit = R4 + Royalty R5 sounds about fair....NOT!!!  :deal:
125% is not fair.
Nuff said.  :pot:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 16, 2013, 10:26:42 am
Yawn!!

Bad business, I'll leave it at that.
Supply my needs at a fair price and I will support you. Don't and I wont. Simple
Artwork, Printing, Cutting, Packaging, transport, postage and profit = R4 + Royalty R5 sounds about fair....NOT!!!  :deal:
125% is not fair.
Nuff said.  :pot:

so the printing people must sell them at cost??? WTF You must start a business .

Kannie glo hoe mense in hulle broek kak oor die prys nie maar hulle shop by Woolworths donkie vleis met n smile. As iets te duur is moenie dit koop nie , dit beteken nie jy moet ophou lewe nie. Gaa kry n ander lekker forum wat werk vir jou, daars baie nes karre.

Fok julle kan moan.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 16, 2013, 10:28:21 am
Yawn!!

Bad business, I'll leave it at that.
Supply my needs at a fair price and I will support you. Don't and I wont. Simple
Artwork, Printing, Cutting, Packaging, transport, postage and profit = R4 + Royalty R5 sounds about fair....NOT!!!  :deal:
125% is not fair.
Nuff said.  :pot:


I see you ride a BMW - guess you will never buy a BM sticker at R50?  I mean its R4 cost + R45 royalty = 900%  - surely a rip off?

Free market - buy, don't buy ---- just don't rip the brand off.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: nielvn on April 16, 2013, 10:39:58 am

so the printing people must sell them at cost??? WTF You must start a business .

Kannie glo hoe mense in hulle broek kak oor die prys nie maar hulle shop by Woolworths donkie vleis met n smile. As iets te duur is moenie dit koop nie , dit beteken nie jy moet ophou lewe nie. Gaa kry n ander lekker forum wat werk vir jou, daars baie nes karre.

Fok julle kan moan.
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 :thumleft:

Simple........ accept, reject, but comply to the rules, if not, accept the consequences.

Shit this threat is getting way out of hand
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 16, 2013, 10:48:47 am
agreed - locked
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: KiLRoy on April 16, 2013, 12:00:19 pm
Unlocked  -Received a few PMs from okes who still want to air their views
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kuifie on April 16, 2013, 12:06:55 pm
gooi manne
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: punisher on April 16, 2013, 12:19:28 pm
Don't lock please
Its good to hear everyones point
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Gingerball on April 16, 2013, 12:34:35 pm
I have read this thread from the start - have seen this type of thing happen on other forums as well, some with positive outcomes and others not so positive.

*It seems there was a problem initially supplying WD stickers to members - the okes started making their own. Some might have sold them for their own gain or just too cover the cost - non of the profits went to the forum AFAIK. Does not sound like KR has a problem with this initial arrangement.
*Tweets made his own stickers and gave them away - this benefited the forum in terms of advertising. This was a cool thing to do and credit to him - his passion for the forum showed. He sounds like a good oke who always helps others from what I read.
*The sticker supply problem now seems to be sorted out, but the guys are stuck in the previous way of doing things - rebel like. Why does Tweets not want to support the WD Forum's sticker sales now? Same rules for everybody.
*This forum is free to us, but it costs a lot of bucks and time to maintain and keep up. Why not support it by buying the stickers?
*I agree the stickers must be reasonably priced as to encourage sales, but cant be just given away for free.
* Sorry, but I dont buy this "I have a paw sticker on my bike, but it has nothing to do with the WD Forum" thing, unless it's accompanied by the other relevant organisation"s name/logo. We all know what the paw on the bike means, lets be real on this.

My opinion about these leave behind stickers: If it gets out of hand it will cause damage to the brand. I would not like people sticking stickers all over my property without permission. It does look nice in appropriate places such as pubs and bike related venues etc. Yet we are all big boys and make our own choices - yet this will reflect on the forum.

One will never please everyone and there will always be those who choose to leave and go somewhere else - it's human nature and such is life. The rules are made by the forum owner(s) and we choose to oblige them - if not, we are free to leave. And therein lies KR's and us as members choice and responsibility.

Just for record, I seldom agree with KR on arguments, have never met him or spoken to him in person or other outside the forum context.

If you like the forum, dont rip the stickers. If you dont like the forum, leave. Simple as that.

M2CW - use it dont use it.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: RobC on April 16, 2013, 12:40:47 pm
Don't lock please
Its good to hear everyones point

The rip off point of view? KR has spoken let it be so then, end of debate. ::)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 01:31:01 pm
so is this now a sticky thread?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 01:32:26 pm
Let me tell you how simple it is....

We have sanctioned sticker distributers who sell authorized WD stickers at a price they deem fit. R5 of each sticker goes to the forum as a royalty.

If you counterfeit the brand with the name and URL on - I'll sue your ass
If you counterfeit the paw (which can't get registered as a trademark) - I ban your ass

Simple?  Now go on with your lives plse.

the mind boggles......... :eek7:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 01:36:04 pm
@KR......

your recent action against Tweets can be construed as a personal vendetta.
please can YOU explain to the esteemed members of YOUR forum which forum rules, if any, Tweets' had broken?

and be specific and stop beating about the bush?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: dual on April 16, 2013, 01:39:42 pm
Die "paw" kom op baie ouens se stickers voor??

(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/dualriders/2013/Pawlogo.jpg) (http://s806.photobucket.com/user/dualriders/media/2013/Pawlogo.jpg.html)

Wie is die eienaar van die logo dan?

Almal verskil tog so effens van mekaar
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 01:42:16 pm
read this thread should you wish for a testimonial......

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122072.0

the defense rests.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Kelevra on April 16, 2013, 01:53:41 pm
Wow, just read the whole thread..and I thought my brother's two girls was excited about hello kitty and my little pony stickers. Look like its a hidden gold mine for middle aged bikers..Did'nt see that one coming.

The only thing I learn from these kind of threads is who's posts to take seriously in other threads. Eish some people?

P.S I have one on my bike and yes it's ligit and I would happily pay for the privilege
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: mox on April 16, 2013, 02:00:32 pm
Still looking for Buff's (winter ones, the ones with the fleace) or normal Buff's, a cap or two and a T if possible. KR please point me in the right direction.

Not the first time I have asked.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Phula on April 16, 2013, 02:00:52 pm
Is this one to close for comfort?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: DSNewbie on April 16, 2013, 02:04:44 pm
Wow, just read the whole thread..and I thought my brother's two girls was excited about hello kitty and my little pony stickers.

Wait until you see the soon to be launched WD My Family range, a have to have  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Gingerball on April 16, 2013, 02:08:19 pm
read this thread should you wish for a testimonial......

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122072.0

the defense rests.

Playing devils advocate: Here is the backdrop of this whole mess:

OH. This is such a joke. KR, you got me pissinig with laughter  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:.  Fuck off with your sticker parade and go build your Palace in the Bush. HAMBA

Anyone want stickers. Go to the bashes and jols. Where ever I go, I GIVE them away. (All reflective) They cost me R 5.63 per row of five (different sizes)
A couple of stickers is not going to bankrupt me, but everyone is overjoyed.   NOW I dont, DONT send to anyone.  Youi want stickers, go to the jols. They are there, freely available when I am there.

I GIVE them away , there is NO "Royalty" to pass on. Heheheheheheheheheheh. Oh, I am now crying of laughter.  KR, you really made my day today  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Look  NORTH, Go NORTH, KR
  

Let's be fair - if a person talked to me like that I might also take offense, no matter how much a good guy he is. If KR talks to others like that, then fair game, let him have it.

But saying because a guy is good and does good deeds it therefore exempts him from certain things is rubbish.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 02:15:56 pm
@MJW

i read all of the posts, but thanks............. :deal:
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Gingerball on April 16, 2013, 02:17:39 pm
@MJW

i read all of the posts, but thanks............. :deal:

 :imaposer:

you bugger you
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: RobC on April 16, 2013, 02:18:05 pm
@KR......

your recent action against Tweets can be construed as a personal vendetta.
please can YOU explain to the esteemed members of YOUR forum which forum rules, if any, Tweets' had broken?

and be specific and stop beating about the bush?
WB I thought by now you understood how internet forums work? ::)
...or should I point out to you the following;
1. You are here at the owners indulgence.
2. It is not a democracy.
3. The owner can do as he/they please and change rules as they see fit.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Stoetbul on April 16, 2013, 02:21:55 pm
Ai Boy's just leave it be? OK?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Moondog on April 16, 2013, 02:26:53 pm
read this thread should you wish for a testimonial......

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122072.0

the defense rests.

Thats just one example. There are many more ...

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=76186.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=81568.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=87537.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=101135.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=107791.0

Which goes to the value of Tweets on this forum - now we just need to resolve the issue to get the ban lifted - it is simply not right to lose someone who adds so much value to the forum over this sticker issue. I understand Kilroy's point of view and I know where Tweets is coming from - somehow we just need to come to a resolution.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Wooly Bugger on April 16, 2013, 02:28:56 pm
sage advice.
just wish someone would take it......

@RobC......get back to your facebook page.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Gingerball on April 16, 2013, 02:29:07 pm
read this thread should you wish for a testimonial......

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122072.0

the defense rests.

Thats just one example. There are many more ...

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=76186.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=81568.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=87537.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=101135.0
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=107791.0

Which goes to the value of Tweets on this forum - now we just need to resolve the issue to get the ban lifted - it is simply not right to lose someone who adds so much value to the forum over this sticker issue. I understand Kilroy's point of view and I know where Tweets is coming from - somehow we just need to come to a resolution.

Good post MD.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Snafu on April 16, 2013, 02:30:39 pm
Are we still discussing stickers here or can i lock the thread?
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Operator on April 16, 2013, 02:31:18 pm
You guys worry about nipples and boobs being shown in the Jou Ma section to be only seen by people with 50 or more posts
(not open to public) and that those threads are going to harm the image and perspective of the forum........


BUT


Then you go and go comment on an open thread about R9 stickers and having huge tantrums
about it,  in the "General Biking Banter" section , which the whole world can read....

This thread is doing more harm to the brand than the whole of R & P and Nipples and Boobs all combined.





Certain individuals never cease to amaze me...........  :snorting:






Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Operator on April 16, 2013, 02:32:07 pm
Are we still discussing stickers here or can i lock the thread?


Lock it and move it to Jou Ma...............or maybe even the comedy section, cause it is definitely a LAUGH A MINUTE!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Stoetbul on April 16, 2013, 02:33:39 pm
Are we still discussing stickers here or can i lock the thread?
Lock die fooken ding, nou vra jy nog Snuifie!!!!!!!
Dankie en koebaai. ;)
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: Moondog on April 16, 2013, 02:34:07 pm
Are we still discussing stickers here or can i lock the thread?

To be honest, I think that what there was to be said WRT stickers has been said.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on April 16, 2013, 02:35:56 pm
KR - I still owe you for 4 large reflective paws - send me the amount and EFT details - I got them from Kurt in November already....

Cheers,

CT
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: RobC on April 16, 2013, 02:36:10 pm
Are we still discussing stickers here or can i lock the thread?
Lock it... this is no longer about stickers but questioning Mod decisions.
Title: Re: Wilddog Sticker Announcement
Post by: roxenz on April 16, 2013, 05:00:44 pm
Aag Vlok jou, KilRoy!  I'll just keep on "rolling my own"!


 :biggrin: