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Riding: Plan, Report and Racing => Ride Reports => Topic started by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 07:19:16 pm

Title: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 07:19:16 pm
To start off I just want to say than I have been spoilt by KTM and BMW since the launch of the new bikes.  I have spent more time than anyone else I know on bikes I do not own from both manufacturers.  And if I cannot make a well informed choice by now, something must be wrong.....  8)

This weekend I had the 1190 Adv from our local dealership, Marathon Motors in Bloem.  Some impressions to follow....
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Sandban(g)k on May 19, 2013, 07:23:20 pm
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Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 10:09:41 pm
The bikes have been around for long enough to not spend time on the looks.  We all know by now what they look like.  The 1190R looks the part.  Everybody wants it.  For the wrong reasons.  It can be forgiven to an extent, because the orange frame and crash bars with the white and black paint with some orange and the one piece seat really do look nice in combination.  The "normal" 1190 looks a little dull in comparison.  That is where the problem lies.  The 1190 Adv is "under rated" and the R is "over rated", both for the wrong reasons.

For starters, I knew I was going to do some miles on the 1190, so I had to check out the tools to make sure I can do whatever needed along the road.  The toolkit is nice and comprehensive, like the 990.  No need for extra tools for basic jobs like removing a wheel.

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And it fits nicely under the back seat, with plenty space for extra stuff.

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I knew the electronics from my previous ride, but this bike was now beyond the 1000 km service and I went through all the settings to ensure that I know what goes where and how.  I found the new GS simpler to operate.  The multi function buttons on the left handlebar are easy to use, but it takes a lot more presses of a button to get to the right screen, select what needs to change and actually changing the setting.  I got used to the sequence, and it is not really something that I would use much whilst riding, but if you are going to scroll between trip meters, favourites, suspension settings, riding modes, head light operation, ABS / MTC settings, etc your eyes will be off the road for too long.  Adding a GPS will make it even "worse".  The GS has a button for each function.  Like heated grips you switch on and off with a specific button.  Same with ABS, Suspension, etc.  On the 1190, you first have to find the right screen, then change the setting.  Not a big deal, once the right things are on and off, you don't really need to look at it again.  But the temptation to fiddle is there.

The instruments are clear and easily visible.  Riding mode, suspension setting, fuel & temp, time, gear position and speed are always displayed on the LCD display.  The computer screen on the left shows everything else in a series of scrollable screens.

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I settled for Sport mode, Sport suspension, Rider+Pillion, Dim always on, ABS and MTC off, Gear shift indicator at 9000 rpm.  Enough about settings....

I changed the front seat to the high position and removed the rubber pads from the pegs, rotated the handlebar mounting posts forward and rotated the bars a little forward in the clamps to make the standing position comfortable.  The bike now felt rideable,  very rideable....

I had the 1200 GS and the 950 SE at home, and did a small test.  Which bike can ride the smallest circle in fig 8 format?

Did some test / practice runs and I was a little surprised.  Then took some measurements to make sure.  To measure is to know....

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What you see it that the GS tuns sharper than the 1190.  Therefore it wins the small circle competition hands down.  The 990 also turns a smaller circle than the 1190.  The stoppers on the 950 SE can turn right in until the forks just miss the frame at full lock.  There is no screen to limit the handle bar movement, and it can make a sharp turn.  The 1190 has fixed stoppers cast into the bottom triple clamp, no adjustment.  It does turn sharper than the 990 / 950 Adv.  Anything does.  The lesson is that the GS will continue to win the short turning "skills challenge" type competitions.

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The new bikes have nice lights.  The 1190 is no exception.  Works well and very visible.  Dim and bright still normal bulbs with the LED daylight riding lights.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/tjoenie/1190%20test/20130518_165732_zpsc0efeb93.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tjoenie/media/1190%20test/20130518_165732_zpsc0efeb93.jpg.html)

The wheel sizes on the Adv are the same as the 1200 GS.  170/17 rear and 120/19 front.  The good part is that there will be a larger choice of tyres soon, sharing size range with the BMW will bring the price down as volumes increase.  Building a high speed knobbly for the R may be a little more problematic, no other bike shares the sizes and speed capability - so the tyres will have to be specially developed.  Personally, I think that it is not a big deal, we have been doing > 160 on TKC's for ever on the 950 / 990's.  With the new bike, your ability to be above 160 for extended periods on gravel is limited most of the time by the terrain anyway.  On tar, the knobbly weave will probably make you close the throttle before 250.  Time will teach some lessons here.  Lets hope that a tyre that costs R 500, rated 250 km/h, lasts 20 000 km, with the traction of a Metzeler Karoo on gravel and Anakee on tar will be out soon.....  Wishful thinking....

Lets ride the bike....
  
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 19, 2013, 10:17:07 pm
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Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Jondu on May 19, 2013, 10:23:02 pm
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Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 10:26:19 pm
The Inland BMW club had a breakfast run to Smithfield, and the annual KANSA run in Petrusburg was on later in the morning.  So a few of us made plans to attend both and stick to the gravel roads for the entire round trip.  The nice part was that the shortcut from Smithfoeld to Petrusburg is gravel.  On tar, you have to go back to Bloem, and then work your way to Petrusburg via some Stop-Go roadworks.  So the five of us had the best plan.  Me on the 1190, 1 x 990R, 2 x 1200 GS and 1 x 1200 GSA.

Took off from Bfn, and hit the gravel road to Edenburg - next to the N1 along the railway track.  The 1190's handling on gravel impressed straight away.  The power delivery and suspension are class leading.  No question.  It soaks up "sinkplaat" amazingly well and I did not bottom the suspension anywhere.  And we had to get to Smithfield quickly.  Cold eggs and tea was just too much of a risk, so the urge to open the throttle a little was quite justified.  Arrived in Smithfield with a smile on my face.  The 1190 is like honey in Rooibos tea.  The bike surprisingly make the tyres work not too bad, even on gravel.  There is some wheel spin, but at no point did I feel out of control.  Never even a hint of tank slapping.  Not sure if it is thanks to the steering damper, but I am convinced that the Austrians put it there for good reason.  Three words: "What a machine!...."

Ground clearance is not the same as the R.  20mm less.  75mm less than the 990R (2010).  Same as a 1200 GS.  On a gravel road it is fine like that.  I have ridden the R as well.  The Adv handles better.  Easier to ride and corner at speed, including gravel roads.  If you are not going to need the ground clearance, I don't see why you should choose the R.  Really.

Breakfast in Smithfield was good.  The tea and eggs were hot.  We made it in time.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/tjoenie/1190%20test/20130519_095730_zps4bfaac0a.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tjoenie/media/1190%20test/20130519_095730_zps4bfaac0a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 10:56:47 pm
After some sharing of wisdom, the team of 5 set off for Petrusburg.  Fuelled up first.  The 990R took 14 litres, the 1190 took 15.  So it is not lighter on fuel when ridden more or less between the torque peak and power peak for long periods.

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The short cut gravel road to Petrusburg is about 190 km.  We rode right through, making only short stops to re-group at junctions.  John took a ride on the 1190.  Now he is confused.  Don't ride it if you feel that one bike is enough....

The bike is impressive.  Did I mention the suspension.  And acceleration.  That is what makes is exciting.  You can ride it hard into corners.  The corners all have serious "sinkpaat" corrugations.  It just makes everything feel smooth.  The Austrians are onto something here.  Why would you want the R?  What is it really built for?  From the cockpit, you will not beat the feel of the 1190 Adv on a gravel (or tar) road.

What you need to build and test a gravel road....

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Arrived in Petrusburg and found Flip and the Kimberley bikers combined with all the Bloem ones and they had a merry festival going.  We were just in time for lunch!  I could still taste the tea from Smithfield....  Lots of bikes and people there.  My camera is not big enough to catch all of them....  Here is a small bunch of them.

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We spent some time over potjiekos with the other half of the BMW club and shared some more wisdom.  The team of 5 became 4 when we realised that the festivities were nearing the end and we saddled up for the last stretch home.  Riding along on the gravel, singing in my helmet, I passed a gate and remembered a twin track road through some farm land from previous rides.  Turned in and the 1190 continued to impress.  It just soaks up the road and makes the riding a pleasant experience.

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There is a little stretch of thick sand tracks too, and the bike did not even think of going off line.  It obeyed rider input with no complaint, stubbornness or disobedience.  Lekker....   Knobbly tyres will just make it even better....

Back on the gravel, we completed the last stretch to the tar road where where we tested some limits again....  120 + VAT....

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To complete a good day's riding, we did a few uphills, downhills and corners through "Stuck in the Mud", our local 4x4 track. 

A good day's riding - 500 odd km's with breakfast and lunch thrown in.  What a day.  What a group to ride with.  What a bike!

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/tjoenie/1190%20test/20130519_162343_zps635d6e67.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tjoenie/media/1190%20test/20130519_162343_zps635d6e67.jpg.html)

Thanks to Oom Dougie for offering the bike to me, it was great playing with it.  As riders, we are spoilt for choice with all the new bikes.  It is easy to have fun....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: PEET WEET on May 19, 2013, 11:02:44 pm
Hel julle moenie n 990 R agter n 1190 sit nie......Hy klim en ry haar sommer :imaposer:

Sorry SGB...ek moes net  ;)
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Jondu on May 19, 2013, 11:05:03 pm
Hel julle moenie n 990 R agter n 1190 sit nie......Hy klim en ry haar sommer :imaposer:

Sorry SGB...ek moes net  ;)

N nice bike wat kan grondpad ry  :lol8:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Slaaiblaar on May 19, 2013, 11:08:17 pm
Vir iemand soos ek, 110kg 1.96m wat 95% teer ry maar meer van die "offroad " look hou....
Watse een sal jy aanbeveel?
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: GSing on May 19, 2013, 11:16:36 pm
Dankie Stefan  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 11:19:48 pm
Vir iemand soos ek, 110kg 1.96m wat 95% teer ry maar meer van die "offroad " look hou....
Watse een sal jy aanbeveel?

Offroad look? Dis hoekom meeste ouens die R koop.  As dit belangriker is as beter hantering is dit jou keuse.  Of sit oranje crashbars op die Adv en ry lekkerder.  ;)
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 11:20:52 pm
Hel julle moenie n 990 R agter n 1190 sit nie......Hy klim en ry haar sommer :imaposer:

Sorry SGB...ek moes net  ;)

Hy moet haar eers vang.....  >:D
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Slaaiblaar on May 19, 2013, 11:24:11 pm
Vir iemand soos ek, 110kg 1.96m wat 95% teer ry maar meer van die "offroad " look hou....
Watse een sal jy aanbeveel?

Offroad look? Dis hoekom meeste ouens die R koop.  As dit belangriker is as beter hantering is dit jou keuse.  Of sit oranje crashbars op die Adv en ry lekkerder.  ;)
Ja man, daardie groot voor wiel en hoe suspension
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 19, 2013, 11:54:00 pm
Vir iemand soos ek, 110kg 1.96m wat 95% teer ry maar meer van die "offroad " look hou....
Watse een sal jy aanbeveel?

Offroad look? Dis hoekom meeste ouens die R koop.  As dit belangriker is as beter hantering is dit jou keuse.  Of sit oranje crashbars op die Adv en ry lekkerder.  ;)
Ja man, daardie groot voor wiel en hoe suspension
Soos vir Bolt om die 100m met rugbystewels te hardloop.  Die off-road look is mooier.....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: RobC on May 20, 2013, 12:19:10 am
My turn this week... :sip:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 20, 2013, 10:18:01 am
I might disappear with the bike..... 8)

Enjoy Rob.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: RobC on May 20, 2013, 10:41:29 am
I might disappear with the bike..... 8)

Enjoy Rob.
>:D We will hunt you down! :imaposer:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 20, 2013, 04:20:13 pm
OK, the bike is back safely.  All yours now....

I have one concern, been wondering if I should share it.  But it may save a moment, so here it is.

Both the 1190 Adv and R have fairly wide front rims.  And we all changed our 990 rims from 2.15" to 1.85".  The R is now 2.5" and the Adv even wider.  We all know that smileys used to be (still is?) a common thing on the 990.  But it has a tube and was no big deal.  As long as you cannot see the tube it is still good to go.  With the tubeless tyre, it is quite likely to cause a sudden blow-out and that can be a big deal.  I know of one case in the FS already where an 1190 R had to be recovered after a smiley and flat tyre that would not seal again.  Keeping the tyre pressure up, speed down and looking where you are going all help. But easier said than done.... I have not had an opportunity yet to see what the rim looks like inside, but I presume that it cannot be that difficult to remove the tubeless valve and pressure sensor and put a tube in to get home.    Who has seen the inside of the rim? 

My preference is still tubed wheels.  Call me old fashioned.....  :xxbah:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Goatman on May 20, 2013, 04:35:49 pm
 :thumleft: Thanks Stefan, your reports are always fantastic and non biased
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: weskus on May 20, 2013, 04:38:24 pm
Subscribed..
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Buffel B on May 20, 2013, 06:35:09 pm
Dankie vir jou report. Great !!
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 20, 2013, 08:28:50 pm
I paid less for my R than what the Adv sells for.

So I'm happy with my choice.

Think I was the first guy in SA to get discount on the 1190  :biggrin:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 20, 2013, 09:30:40 pm
I paid less for my R than what the Adv sells for.

So I'm happy with my choice.

Think I was the first guy in SA to get discount on the 1190  :biggrin:  :thumleft:

Is the correct translation: "I should have taken an Adv, but I liked the look of the R, and they would not give any discount on the Adv - so I reluctantly settled for the R just because it was so cheap...."   ;D    Sounds like a responsible financial decision.....  8)
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 20, 2013, 10:16:29 pm
Nope.

I ordered the Adv. It was due the Monday morning. The Friday I took the Adv and the R out back to back for a loooong testride.

Came back and changed my Adv to the R.

I still say the R is better, handles better, the ride is more comfortable, and the R seat is ALSO more comfortable.

If there was a R15 000 difference between the two bikes, then all stories around why you choose what can lead up to why you actually tried to save the R15000. But now it is not. Difference is almost nothing money wise.

So money is not the factor between the two. You buy what you think is the better bike of the two, and for me it is the R.

The wider handlebars makes a huge difference on the R. But I see in no ride reports they even mention it. So I guess nobody even knew it  :imaposer:  :imaposer: So much for a bike tester  :imaposer:

The Adv feels like a small bike.
The R feels like a Big bike.
If I wanted the feel of a 800, I would buy a 800 for R50 000 less  :thumleft:
When on the Adv it feels like you are looking DOWN on the clocks, on the R you get the feeling the clocks are infront of your view.

Everyone I spoke to in person who rode both, said they will take the R. It is only here on WD that I see the opposite.

Two friends took the R and Adv out for a whole morning. Swopping bikes the whole time as they went. I was at KTM when they came back. Strange that both said the Adv is KAK(their words) and the R is the bike they want  ???
Ride both, buy what you want. That is what I say  :thumleft:

Lastly, did you do a long ride with the new R, or only the Adv  :pot:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 20, 2013, 11:51:18 pm
Manic, I did spend a full day on the R as well.  As a direct opponent for the GS, I still say the Adv is the one.  The road handling is better.  With the bike being lower, and the 19/17 wheels, it really handles well.  There is nothing about the R that is "better" in that department.  Tyre choices will be more - same sizes as the BMW, larger volumes.  The Adv pleasantly surprised me after all the negative comments like yours.  That is why I took it and rode it on gravel roads, just to see how "bad" it really was.  On gravel roads, it is no worse than the R.  And on tar it handles better.  I could not get the same top speed out of the R on the tar.

But if you are going to spend a lot of time in riding conditions where the long travel suspension, bigger wheels, wider bars and extra ground clearance will make a significant difference, the R is awesome.  I liked the R seat more, but they are interchangeable, so that is easy to solve.  I am just not so sure if I want to play in 990 territory with a bike as good looking as the 1190 R.  It does not crash as well as a 990....  Saw it with the one that high-sided at the launch and the ones Simon and Donovan dropped.  And I suspect that the front rim and bash plate will not survive some of the trips I have enjoyed on my 990.

If I had to get an 1190 today, it would be the R.  But I would not be trying to replace my 1200 GS with it.  There the Adv wins.  I would also not be trying to replace my 990R with the 1190R.  It created a new market segment with one player.  It is a bit like my 950 SE. Built for a market and riding territory that does not exist if you have to look at the cold facts.  But still a lot of fun to own and ride.  Nothing wrong with that.   8)

If the Adv is KAK and the R is awesome, there is a fairly thin margin between the two.  It is actually quite close to the same thing.... But different enough to be different.   :)

In general, I think the dealers should explain the advantages of the Adv to the right potential buyer.  The R will sell itself.  It will be bought.  The Adv will be sold.  It is also awesome for the right application.

I am not here to dictate to anyone what to buy, but I do try and look practically and I am honestly sharing my personal impressions.  I do not mind anyone disagreeing - I am cool with that.   :thumleft:

Enjoy the R.  I might have one too one day.....   :biggrin:  Good to see that in the end it was not the discount that dictated the final decision....  :lol8:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 20, 2013, 11:57:17 pm
The wider handlebars makes a huge difference on the R. But I see in no ride reports they even mention it. So I guess nobody even knew it  :imaposer:  :imaposer: So much for a bike tester  :imaposer:

I do not qualify as a bike tester - still have a long way to go, but at least picked that up.   :deal: 

Read here:  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122413.0

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Handlebars are wider on the R
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Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 12:02:49 am
Both is awesome bikes.

I just prefer the R  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 12:15:59 am
My advice to anyone is, although you think the difference is small, make sure to ride both.

For ME, they felt like two complete different bikes when I rode them.

You will get the Adv supporters, and then the R supporters  :thumleft:

 :biggrin:   :biggrin:   :thumleft:    :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: paulb on May 21, 2013, 05:27:11 am
The wider handlebars makes a huge difference on the R. But I see in no ride reports they even mention it. So I guess nobody even knew it  :imaposer:  :imaposer: So much for a bike tester  :imaposer:

I do not qualify as a bike tester - still have a long way to go, but at least picked that up.   :deal: 

Read here:  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=122413.0

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Handlebars are wider on the R
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The handlebars on the R is 10 mm longer than the ADV , that is 5 mm on each side , it is a very good selling point  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: ALLAWYN on May 21, 2013, 07:10:21 pm
First I have have to say that I am extremely biased towards the colour Orange and that I don't like Harley's or Gs's, (not any more since I started on a GS like bike.)

Since the first rumours concerning the 1190 occurred I started reading and researching, and in doing so screwed up my priorities in life, 1190R or nothing. I also started saving up and have the money available, in my cheque account, not on a fixed deposit or any deposit for that matter. I was allocated the third 1190R from Hennie in Nelspruit, and I cancelled it. I was very confused and he allocated me another one. I drove the 295km to him on Monday, bakkie with bike trailer en alles, including straps, the works. I sat on my arse next to the bike for an hour, attracting a lot off onlookers, and I drove home with an empty trailer. Thank you Hennie for you patience.

I will buy a 1190R one day, its the most beautiful mechanical creation ever, but it cannot replace Koning, my 2010 990R with Hilton's suspension. I like to ride my 240kg bike where 300's goes. You have to redesign the 1190R with your own funds to be able to remotely achieve that.

My personal Orthopedic Surgeon recently told me I have to get a knee replacement or join the Harley cult, I rather walk with crutches than do that, but the day will come that my 990R runs out of km's and I have to change, that is the day that my knee will be replaced by metal surfaces and I start riding the 1190R, or why not the Adventure, it is not going to make a difference then ???
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: GG on May 21, 2013, 08:50:37 pm
I sat on my arse next to the bike for an hour, attracting a lot off onlookers, and I drove home with an empty trailer.

I generally find you'll get a better sense of the bike when you sitting on it blikseming down a dirt road.....   glad you did not ride it properly otherwise you'd not have driven home with an empty trailer  ;D

I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 21, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Hondsekierie on May 21, 2013, 10:13:49 pm
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:

Wat van n sagte hamertjie om die rim terug te slaan tot die die 'tyre' weer ordentlike bead het om teen te kan 'seat' ;)
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 10:14:03 pm
The extreme bike will stay the 950 SE  :biggrin:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Mooch on May 21, 2013, 10:14:23 pm
Nice  write-ups.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 10:16:12 pm
Fok julle ouens kan moun ek sÍ  :imaposer:

Nes n Boer by die hoer.

Dan is dit te nat
Dan is dit te droog
Dan moun hy oor die prys.

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Hondsekierie on May 21, 2013, 10:17:31 pm
The extreme bike will stay the 950 SE  :biggrin:  :thumleft:

Wil jy sien hoe lyk my SE jou fokken maniak?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 10:19:24 pm
The extreme bike will stay the 950 SE  :biggrin:  :thumleft:

Wil jy sien hoe lyk my SE jou fokken maniak?  :biggrin:

Gooi ek kyk en drool  :drif:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 21, 2013, 10:19:40 pm
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:

Wat van n sagte hamertjie om die rim terug te slaan tot die die 'tyre' weer ordentlike bead het om teen te kan 'seat' ;)

Ons het in Angola met die S10 gesien dit werk net tot op 'n punt.  'n Hamer se impak kraak daai rim sommer gou, dan is die issue groter.  Press werk beter.  Maar dit eindig op dieselfde plek.  Bewerige voorwiel met 'n tjoep in.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Hondsekierie on May 21, 2013, 10:21:50 pm
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:

Wat van n sagte hamertjie om die rim terug te slaan tot die die 'tyre' weer ordentlike bead het om teen te kan 'seat' ;)

Ons het in Angola met die S10 gesien dit werk net tot op 'n punt.  'n Hamer se impak kraak daai rim sommer gou, dan is die issue groter.  Press werk beter.  Maar dit eindig op dieselfde plek.  Bewerige voorwiel met 'n tjoep in.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Hondsekierie on May 21, 2013, 10:25:23 pm
Hoor wat jy se.  Tubeless bly maar konstante issue as die rim buig
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 21, 2013, 10:29:14 pm
Hoor wat jy se.  Tubeless bly maar konstante issue as die rim buig

En tube bly n issue as jy konstant dorings in jou wiele kry.

Ek weier om n bike met tubes te ry, dit was die enigste rede hoekom ek nie al 2 jaar terug n 990 gekoop het nie.

Ek hou nie van werk nie, veral nie as ek nog in die bos is met full kit en die son brand my ook nog nie :imaposer:  :imaposer:
 :ricky:  :ricky:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: GG on May 22, 2013, 08:56:11 am
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:

 SGB  I have had my 21 inch tubeless on my GSA for 55 000 km's and done some serious rocky bits with a TKC and had no problem except the odd puncture which was fixed in a flash! That was a 19 inch front on the S 10, and not sure a sample of 1 is a good test. But please invite me on the ride  ;D
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 22, 2013, 09:06:16 am
I'm keen to see the first ride report where the 990 brigade and an 1190 R (with real tyres) do a proper trip offroad and do a real comparison!!! 
Watch this space.....  The 1190R will need a much narrower front rim with a tube first - amongst some other mods before one can take it on an expedition.  Otherwise it will have a smiley after the first rock and be stuck because the wheel will not pump up again.  Or we would have to keep it at 2.5 bar, stay out of the rocks and keep the speed down.  Which we will do once Alwyn has had his knee replacement.....   :biggrin:

 SGB  I have had my 21 inch tubeless on my GSA for 55 000 km's and done some serious rocky bits with a TKC and had no problem except the odd puncture which was fixed in a flash! That was a 19 inch front on the S 10, and not sure a sample of 1 is a good test. But please invite me on the ride  ;D

The Excel or DID rims - 1.85" wide, are much stiffer than the 2.15" wide stock rims on the 990's.  I have always replaced mine with the narrower rims to get rid of the problem.  Not sure what 21" rim you have on the GSA, sounds like a strong one.  The issue is not the diameter.  It is the width, obviously combined with tyre pressure, speed and terrain.  I found that keeping the narrow rims at about 2 Bar works OK.  The smileys form when the suspension bottoms out. So, there is also a case for ensuring that your suspension works for the conditions.  The 1190 R will also need the progressive springs, it is a bit soft up-front.  Nothing of the above is new.  We had to do it on the 990's.  We will have to do it on the 1190's too.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: GG on May 22, 2013, 12:43:36 pm
Hmmm interesting info, my 21 was built by woody's wheel worx in the states and laced onto a GSA hub and is a worked Excel rim.... I hope you are wrong about the 1190 R rim   ;D but i suspect not, however I am going to find out soon enough!
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 22, 2013, 12:56:44 pm
Jip GG, I have also bought wheels from Woody's - their stuff is top class.  I have already seen one 1190R with a smiley that caused a blow-out and he had to be recovered by trailer.  Rider did not have a tube with him.  Not sure how good it is for the TP sensors to be removed and replaced all the time?  Let us see and learn.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Mocke on May 22, 2013, 02:36:27 pm
After some sharing of wisdom, the team of 5 set off for Petrusburg.  Fuelled up first.  The 990R took 14 litres, the 1190 took 15.  So it is not lighter on fuel when ridden more or less between the torque peak and power peak for long periods.

Hi Stefan, again well written. Above quote is the part I do not like!! Stranded before in the mountains on my 990R without fuel. For me an adventure bike needs more range than the 250km I got from my 990, especially with stupid fuel prices in some of our neighbouring countries. I took into consideration the slightly bigger fuel tank on the 1190`s.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: SGB on May 22, 2013, 02:50:42 pm
After some sharing of wisdom, the team of 5 set off for Petrusburg.  Fuelled up first.  The 990R took 14 litres, the 1190 took 15.  So it is not lighter on fuel when ridden more or less between the torque peak and power peak for long periods.

Hi Stefan, again well written. Above quote is the part I do not like!! Stranded before in the mountains on my 990R without fuel. For me an adventure bike needs more range than the 250km I got from my 990, especially with stupid fuel prices in some of our neighbouring countries. I took into consideration the slightly bigger fuel tank on the 1190`s.

They claim better fuel consumption on the 1190 than the 990.  On this ride, we were a bit heavy on the gas.  I am sure it can / will be a lot lighter on fuel than what we got here.  The bigger tank on the 1190 I am sure will be good for 300 km + under normal conditions.  Not because it is much lighter on fuel, but because the tank is bigger. On an expedition into foreign territory, one tends to slow down a lot due to the risks involved - causing much better fuel tank range.

Truth remains - there is only one way to get horsepower on the floor, that is through the FI inlet throats.  No other way.  The maths about cubic capacity, compression ratio, torque and kW have not changed.  Been the same since Einstein's time.
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: PEET WEET on May 22, 2013, 09:17:41 pm
Luiste manne jul kan ma luister as Oom SGB praat....Hy praat nie uit spekulasie nie  ;) maar uit ondervonding...
Die manne ry grondpad met die goed....staan nie met hul op pavements en strate en vertel hoe hul grondpaaie ry nie.... >:D

N maat van my het n 1190 R....mal oor sy bike maar wel so paar klein punte wat miskien rede tot kommer kan wees...Een is die sagte rims....hy se hy verkies die 990 se rims met n tube......Met sy 990 kon hy selfde klippe slaan en wind sou nie dadelik uit want hyt n tube in..met sy 1190 het die lug die rim dadelik verlaat en hy was amper in die moeilikheid......1190 sin bietjie sag maar trek soos n resieskar met nos  !!! :thumleft:

Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: RobC on May 23, 2013, 12:43:09 pm
OK, the bike is back safely.  All yours now....
Huge waiting list to test drive.  :eek7: my time is booked next week Thursday afternoon... at last. :drif: :ricky:
I did sit on it this morning, significantly lower than the R... I will see if I like the 19" front too... :sip:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: Manic on May 23, 2013, 04:09:59 pm
Luiste manne jul kan ma luister as Oom SGB praat....Hy praat nie uit spekulasie nie  ;) maar uit ondervonding...
Die manne ry grondpad met die goed....staan nie met hul op pavements en strate en vertel hoe hul grondpaaie ry nie.... >:D

N maat van my het n 1190 R....mal oor sy bike maar wel so paar klein punte wat miskien rede tot kommer kan wees...Een is die sagte rims....hy se hy verkies die 990 se rims met n tube......Met sy 990 kon hy selfde klippe slaan en wind sou nie dadelik uit want hyt n tube in..met sy 1190 het die lug die rim dadelik verlaat en hy was amper in die moeilikheid......1190 sin bietjie sag maar trek soos n resieskar met nos  !!! :thumleft:



Het julle n Specsavers daar in die dorp? Stuur jou pel soontoe.
Dink n nuwe bril om klippe te sien is cheaper as n nuwe rim  :imaposer:   :imaposer:   :imaposer:
Title: Re: 1190 Adv (Non-R) Demo Ride
Post by: RobC on May 31, 2013, 08:48:53 am
Fist let me say thanks to Marathom Motors for letting me loose on their baby... :thumleft:

Not much more to add as to what SGB has said except... WHADDABIKE! :thumleft:

Guided missile springs to mind as well. :ricky:

MD and myself set off down the N1 to Edenburg for scones, milkshake and coffee, then nipped over to Reddersburg and back via the N6, crossed over back to the N1 at Leeuberg on some dirt and found those road tyres to be suprisingly sure footed!

I'm not in the market for a bike at present BUT for me there is no other choice. KTM have this one sold on me for sure! :thumleft:

PS... while parked in MD's driveway the bike almost caused an accident with a bunch of laaities on bicycles and bikes rubbernecking as they went past. I've never seen a XR125 stop so quickly. :imaposer:
Had to show them all the bells and whistles of the bike... they left with a "Lekkker ry oom!" and we did!