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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: Goose on July 14, 2013, 10:59:26 am

Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 14, 2013, 10:59:26 am
Thought I'd post this here as an advisory!

The chaps here in the UK are having serious problems with some of the new LC's.

One bloke's only had the bike for a few weeks............... and already listed the following:

1- The clutch is fooked and drags gearbox clunks thro changes. (Needs a new updated Driveshaft)
2- rear pads are down to metal @ 3k
3- The rear drive gaitor is holed
4- The vario's don't fit because rear subframe is out of tolerance the dealers benhams told me to modify the vario's to fit as I was going to Austria 2 days after I got the vario's and so the vario's had the plastic brackets trimmed down (these unbolt so can be replaced) the dealer said they will sort out on return.


SO - he even tried to Trade-the-bike-In on another model and the BMW dealer asked him why he was trading the bike..... when he mentioned the issues - the dealership refused the trade-in stating that they themselves would not be able to repair or re-sell the bike due to the Spares shortage from BMW!

BE WARNED chaps - a new model normally means a host of new problems where you'll be acting Guinea Pigs for the manufacturer!

DO YOUR HOMEWORK - research what you're buying and make sure you understand what's being offered - and set a precedent with your dealership when buying..... DO NOT SIGN the document of acceptance of the vehicle (it's normally slipped in somewhere where you sign something to the effect that says "I have received the vehicle in a good and satisfactory condition)  . this document is what you sign AFTER you have taken delivery of the vehicle and had a chance to inspect and ride it - not BEFORE you've even ridden or driven it out of the dealership!

Some reading here:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343906 (http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343906)

(although there's a post that seems the issue was resolved - on page one - read the whole post first and then check out the "resolved" one which opened another massive can of worms!)

THIS is not a BMW bashing - I still love my GSA and will be buying another when back in SA.... however just be aware of what you're buying and the problems and issues that you're taking on with your new pride & joy!

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 14, 2013, 11:30:37 am
Love these bikes but a bit disappointed to read this from a well respected brand like BMW. Not mentioning the tank slappers on the new model.

I must honestly say that when I bought my 1200 explorer some friends felt the same about a new released model and warned me. However, today when I look back at the 1200 marked with all the offerings I think I was just lucky and all other Explorer owners. Only issues were (also )tank slappers on high speed soft gravel sections because of a bad front suspension setup. 

I hope that BMW will come to the party and sort this out, at the moment it seems rather safe to buy a new 'old ' model air cooled Beemer as there are still a couple on the showroom floors



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Veldbrand on July 14, 2013, 11:47:56 am
Irrelevant what brand is discussed here I think it is bullshit that manufacturers donít do enough R&D, short and long term testing and sort these kind of problems before releasing new models in the market and then make it the consumers problem to be the guinea pigs at their expense.
Surely manufacturers have an obligation to deliver on their promises first time?
They all just seem far too keen and in a hurry to get their bigger better models out there in the market place before the next guy.
Uncool!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 14, 2013, 02:03:47 pm
Love these bikes but a bit disappointed to read this from a well respected brand like BMW. Not mentioning the tank slappers on the new model.

I must honestly say that when I bought my 1200 explorer some friends felt the same about a new released model and warned me. However, today when I look back at the 1200 marked with all the offerings I think I was just lucky and all other Explorer owners. Only issues were (also )tank slappers on high speed soft gravel sections because of a bad front suspension setup.  

I hope that BMW will come to the party and sort this out, at the moment it seems rather safe to buy a new 'old ' model air cooled Beemer as there are still a couple on the showroom floors

Geez, not this again.  

Please cite whom, where, and under what conditions the tankslappers occurred and how they were replicated. I can also make wild statements like 'There's a lot of people that tried to replicate the dreaded unsuccessfully.'

Second, where can one still buy an air cooled model right off the floor? My 05 GS was already cooled with oil, hence the need for a radiator guard.

Fix yet facts. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/14/gequhene.jpg)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jag man on July 14, 2013, 03:08:50 pm
Does the CPA not come into play when having these types of concerns in SA .As far as I understand the consumer has the 3 R's.         
And it's the consumers decision
Repair
Replace
Re-fund
If the product is under 6 months old.
Please correct me if not true.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 14, 2013, 03:15:49 pm
Exactly.

Like you said. Unconfirmed (and therefore difficult to cite) reports say that the LC has had the forks modified in a post-production fix (for the first batch) that should stop the tankslapper issue (if there ever was one).

Switches are being replaced and there are new part numbers for these switches already. Rear brakes are being replaced with different part numbers already. These things you can find on the dealer's systems already. So, although the naysayers are signing their song, already, I am not afraid. There is never a good time to buy new technology, and with everything becoming more electronic the testing becomes more complex. I am confident that the dealers will handle things as they always did and replace / repair as required.

To give you an example. my 05 GS is fitted with handguards that, if not adjusted properly, could cause the brakes to initiate in non-assisted mode (the assassin-mode). BMW stopped producing these and the next models were without this issue. Unfortunately I only have a sticker on mine that shows me how to align the handguards but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on July 14, 2013, 03:33:43 pm
Irrelevant what brand is discussed here I think it is bullshit that manufacturers donít do enough R&D, short and long term testing and sort these kind of problems before releasing new models in the market and then make it the consumers problem to be the guinea pigs at their expense.Surely manufacturers have an obligation to deliver on their promises first time?
They all just seem far too keen and in a hurry to get their bigger better models out there in the market place before the next guy.
Uncool!


+100 ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 14, 2013, 03:46:38 pm
Irrelevant what brand is discussed here I think it is bullshit that manufacturers donít do enough R&D, short and long term testing and sort these kind of problems before releasing new models in the market and then make it the consumers problem to be the guinea pigs at their expense.Surely manufacturers have an obligation to deliver on their promises first time?
They all just seem far too keen and in a hurry to get their bigger better models out there in the market place before the next guy.
Uncool!


+100 ;)

Now that, I can agree on.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 14, 2013, 05:19:38 pm
All of the complaints I have read, on this forum, on Adventure rider and the British blog is, in my opinion from a couple of anal, narrow minded persons. My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!

If you cannot afford one, save until you can, but do not make statement about tank slappers, and other defects, based on hear say and unconfirmed statements from people with dubious mindsets.

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game.

Please submit problems that YOU have personally experienced, not some hog wash from looser pommie blogs!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 14, 2013, 09:32:13 pm
All of the complaints I have read, on this forum, on Adventure rider and the British blog is, in my opinion from a couple of anal, narrow minded persons. My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!

If you cannot afford one, save until you can, but do not make statement about tank slappers, and other defects, based on hear say and unconfirmed statements from people with dubious mindsets.

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game.

Please submit problems that YOU have personally experienced, not some hog wash from looser pommie blogs!


Boet - you're missing the bus here .... and obviously seriaasly brand-loyal.............  most of us that have come up with the issues and service are indeed existing Brand owners..... I've owned 2 x GSA's since 2009............ both from new - both bought for cash.......... so I'm sure I can qualify to berate the issues...?

This is NOT about brand bashing - I say again!    BMW is NOT the leader in this field at all ..... let's get that straight right away..........  this is about problems with a newly released vehicle that has obvious problems that cannot be or will not be addressed and resolved.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on July 14, 2013, 09:41:00 pm
All of the complaints I have read, on this forum, on Adventure rider and the British blog is, in my opinion from a couple of anal, narrow minded persons. My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!

If you cannot afford one, save until you can, but do not make statement about tank slappers, and other defects, based on hear say and unconfirmed statements from people with dubious mindsets.

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game.

Please submit problems that YOU have personally experienced, not some hog wash from looser pommie blogs!


Boet - you're missing the bus here .... and obviously seriaasly brand-loyal.............  most of us that have come up with the issues and service are indeed existing Brand owners..... I've owner 2 x GSA's since 2009............ both from new - both bought for cash.......... so I'm sure I can qualify to berate the issues...?

This is NOT about brand bashing - I say again!    BMW is NOT the leader in this field at all ..... let's get that straight right away..........  this is about problems with a newly released vehicle that has obvious problems that cannot be or will not be addressed and resolved.

Thanks Goose for setting things straight here ;) :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: Perhaps BJ just really had a Kak Day :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BOER! on July 14, 2013, 10:05:34 pm
All of the complaints I have read, on this forum, on Adventure rider and the British blog is, in my opinion from a couple of anal, narrow minded persons. My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!

If you cannot afford one, save until you can, but do not make statement about tank slappers, and other defects, based on hear say and unconfirmed statements from people with dubious mindsets.

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game.

Please submit problems that YOU have personally experienced, not some hog wash from looser pommie blogs!

The beauty of public forums lie in the fact that I can take your opinion (My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!) and wheigh it up against the opinion of "a couple of anal, narrow minded persons"

My decision will not be determined by one persons' view, but the more people voice their views/opinions, and this includes yours BikerJan, will give me more information to base my opinion/decision on.

I like the new GS, I will most probably keeping an eye out for the new GSA, I will listen, read and evaluate all information out there, and then decide.  For now, I already decided I don't like the new KTM.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GG on July 14, 2013, 10:48:14 pm
I've done 105 000 ks on my gsa, l love it with all my heart but bought the ktm 1190 R and won't even look at the new gs cause  bm are twassholes who won't build an off road capable bike, despite their skills in this department.   Girls enjoy your head shake and good luck with the excuses. ... Ja including a few bike gods who get free gs's .....

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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 15, 2013, 04:34:35 am


Boet - you're missing the bus here .... and obviously seriaasly brand-loyal.............  most of us that have come up with the issues and service are indeed existing Brand owners..... I've owned 2 x GSA's since 2009............ both from new - both bought for cash.......... so I'm sure I can qualify to berate the issues...?

This is NOT about brand bashing - I say again!    BMW is NOT the leader in this field at all ..... let's get that straight right away..........  this is about problems with a newly released vehicle that has obvious problems that cannot be or will not be addressed and resolved.
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Goose, I am not missing the plot. Did you personally experience any of the so called problems with the LC model? I have some experience with the bike, and I have not experience any headshake problems or any of the other defects listed.

If you read my previous posts on my experience with the 800 GS, you will realise that I am not so brand loyal as you might think, but want to know what other owners experiences with the bike are.

Sure, the new LC model feels a lot different to ride than the previous model, and has it's own sounds, rattles and rolls to which you need to get used to, just as the previous model felt a lot different than the 1150 when it was launched.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 15, 2013, 09:14:40 am
Goose; you have opened a can of worms here  :laughing4:

No one has 'ripped' the new LC - Don't be so sensitive BUT do accept that all new models will show some flaws irrespective of brand and it will be ironed out eventually. (like the tank slappers  :o ......  :dousing: )

It just came to mind; If one is so protective and biased over a  'bike brand and bike model' the kids in the house should probably be real angels  :imaposer:

Sit back, take a prozak - relax and take part in the discussion about the brilliant new Oil,air and water cooled (identity crisis) HEAVY WEIGHT  Beemer
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 15, 2013, 11:00:22 am
Goose; you have opened a can of worms here  :laughing4:

No one has 'ripped' the new LC - Don't be so sensitive BUT do accept that all new models will show some flaws irrespective of brand and it will be ironed out eventually. (like the tank slappers  :o ......  :dousing: )

It just came to mind; If one is so protective and biased over a  'bike brand and bike model' the kids in the house should probably be real angels  :imaposer:

Sit back, take a prozak - relax and take part in the discussion about the brilliant new Oil,air and water cooled (identity crisis) HEAVY WEIGHT  Beemer


 :laughing4:  no man - I'm not saying it's being ripped and I'm not protective at all............ it's about calling a spade - a - spade........... to me any bike or car - no matter WHAT the brand is ONLY AS GOOD as the SERVICE PROVIDER that looks after the vehicle.
You know you get promises of long-term warranties etc, etc,  which actually means fookall if the spares and service is not available... you might as well buy a lump of steel.!!

In my opinion - DO YOUR RESEARCH on any item/product that you buy.  I've learnt the hard way to research and investigate over & over rather than impulse-buy.... goodness knows it took me 2 years before buying my 1st GSA..........  but the Brochures and claims and advertising blurb was one thing and issues another....?

So the post was done to be informative only - pointless sticking my hea inna bucket and hoping things will get better.  :thumleft:

I'm sure that the LC can be compared to the 1st GSA's that came out..... 2006, 2007 SOHC had problems.... most were sorted by the time the 2008, 2009 models were released (lots of R&D and testing by brand-loyal clienst!) ......... then the DOHC was released and Vibration probs etc abounded - most resolved on the later models!
So the track record is there.... the new LC's will have problems - that's to be expected.  BUT the backup and service over in the UK is better and perhaps due to being easier with BMW-GA being just across the channel........... SA's a different story......... time is a factor and with SA being such a small market - I can assure you that as spares become available, the European, UK & US customers will be sorted first....   :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Captain Zef on July 15, 2013, 11:48:26 am
Irrelevant what brand is discussed here I think it is bullshit that manufacturers donít do enough R&D, short and long term testing and sort these kind of problems before releasing new models in the market and then make it the consumers problem to be the guinea pigs at their expense.Surely manufacturers have an obligation to deliver on their promises first time?
They all just seem far too keen and in a hurry to get their bigger better models out there in the market place before the next guy.
Uncool!


+100 ;)

Its what the market demands. You dont have to buy it immediately. You can wait.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 15, 2013, 12:04:33 pm
Irrelevant what brand is discussed here I think it is bullshit that manufacturers donít do enough R&D, short and long term testing and sort these kind of problems before releasing new models in the market and then make it the consumers problem to be the guinea pigs at their expense.Surely manufacturers have an obligation to deliver on their promises first time?
They all just seem far too keen and in a hurry to get their bigger better models out there in the market place before the next guy.
Uncool!


+100 ;)

Its what the market demands. You dont have to buy it immediately. You can wait.

That Cappie is the crux of the matter...........  if you buy something that's just been released as one of the "early birds" or "must have crowd" - THEN you must be prepared for the hassles that go with it! 
I'd rather sit and wait and watch......... never buy things as they are released.... because the market demands a new release!   :thumleft:  Jy't die spyker op sy kop geslaan!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herminator on July 15, 2013, 12:24:21 pm
The problem with the cutting edge is that someone needs to bleed  O0
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on July 15, 2013, 12:31:51 pm
All of the complaints I have read, on this forum, on Adventure rider and the British blog is, in my opinion from a couple of anal, narrow minded persons. My bike has now just over 1200 k's on the clock, of which I have done in excess of 800 K's on dirt. The new bike is so much better than the previous 1200 , which was the undisputed leader in it's field!

If you cannot afford one, save until you can, but do not make statement about tank slappers, and other defects, based on hear say and unconfirmed statements from people with dubious mindsets.

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game.

Please submit problems that YOU have personally experienced, not some hog wash from looser pommie blogs!

WTF  :eek7:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on July 16, 2013, 09:41:45 am
...In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game...

Oh my! ::)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 16, 2013, 09:44:52 am
...In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game...

Oh my! ::)


 :imaposer:  my reaction too.........   :lol8: :sip:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on July 16, 2013, 09:48:40 am
...In my opinion, BMW is the obvious leader in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the carch up game...

Oh my! ::)

+1  :spitcoffee:

 :imaposer:  my reaction too.........   :lol8: :sip:

+1  :pot: :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 16, 2013, 12:13:54 pm

In my opinion, BMW is the obvious UNITS SOLD leader (FOR A SINGLE PREVIOUS-EDITION MODEL) in the adventure bike market, with the rest playing the catch up game.

fixed!  ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Offshore on July 16, 2013, 12:33:41 pm
 :sip: ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on July 16, 2013, 09:10:06 pm
Will be riding my GSA until these probs ( whether they exist or not) are sorted???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 17, 2013, 08:51:22 pm
I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC devolps a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal? Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 17, 2013, 08:55:17 pm
Will try it over the weekend and give feedback on Monday, if the LC didn't shake me off
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 17, 2013, 08:59:15 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on July 18, 2013, 07:39:29 am
I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC devolps a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal? Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?

I tried this last night and this morning, did not experience this. We have the same setup on the bikes (even down to the colour  :ricky:), tyres etc (except I don't have a topbox, see below)

Also saw something about this on UKGser. The guy experienced the same thing, removed his BMW topbox and it stopped doing it!  :pot:



 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Obi -Wan on July 18, 2013, 07:46:16 am
Thank goodness I kept my 1150 Adventure is all I can say!

When someone like GSing , who has owned and ridden almost every type of boxer GS, tells you there is a headshake you can believe it because it is based on experience gained over thousands of km actually ridden on various bikes . Now, is there a suspension issue, a design issue, a tyre issue ? Who knows ? Will BMW admit to this ? Wrong!!!!!!

Remember the lean burn problem on the 2006/2007 1200"s ?

I would like to believe that this forum provides me with all sorts of opinions and feedback which will not always be fair and/or unbiased or based on scientific fact. However it does give us food for thought and helps us to make certain decisions about what we will or will not ride.  
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on July 18, 2013, 08:04:56 am
If there is a head shake, leading to a slapper problem, then this is very serious indeed.
Title: Re: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on July 18, 2013, 08:41:36 am
Sub
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: punisher on July 18, 2013, 09:08:23 am
Been a while since I had a slapper
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 18, 2013, 10:15:56 am
I have had my LC since April and can report on the headshake issue. I have tested this on mine and am getting the same thing only less pronounced, I am almost certain it has something to do with the tourance tyres as it appears to get worse as the tyres wear down. I would love to try a different tyre, but these have only done 4000km. I am however disappointed in these Tourance Next tyres, even if they don't cause the head shake, they are very slippery on dry tar and life threatening on road markings. I have not really tested them on wet roads yet, but they are reasonable on dirt.
I loved the previous tourance tyres on my GSA but these new ones do not impress me at all. I will try the Anakee III tyres next, although I hated the Anakee I and Anakee II tyres as the front wore unevenly and caused the front to develop a vibration, and the rear wore ridiculously fast. The Anakee III however is a completely different tyre.
Regarding all the other problems so lovingly repeated over and over on this thread:
1- The clutch is not as nice as the new KTM's, that said it is important to check the fluid level as it appears that almost all of the new bikes have an over filled reservoir which causes the clutch to behave erratically. Once corrected it is a lot better. The gearbox has always been clunky and it appears it still is.
2- I have done 4000km and my rear pads still look new. The guy complaining may have had a binding issue on his.
3- No problems with the rear drive gator on mine or anyone I have talked to.
4- I don't have the vario's but we did fit a set when I was deciding whether to buy them and they fit fine. I guess the guy complaining may have had a factory fault on his.

Personally I love my LC and would recommend it to anyone who asks.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Moto Moto on July 18, 2013, 10:20:13 am
I have had my LC since April and can report on the headshake issue. I have tested this on mine and am getting the same thing only less pronounced, I am almost certain it has something to do with the tourance tyres as it appears to get worse as the tyres wear down. I would love to try a different tyre, but these have only done 4000km. I am however disappointed in these Tourance Next tyres, even if they don't cause the head shake, they are very slippery on dry tar and life threatening on road markings. I have not really tested them on wet roads yet, but they are reasonable on dirt.
I loved the previous tourance tyres on my GSA but these new ones do not impress me at all. I will try the Anakee III tyres next, although I hated the Anakee I and Anakee II tyres as the front wore unevenly and caused the front to develop a vibration, and the rear wore ridiculously fast. The Anakee III however is a completely different tyre.
Regarding all the other problems so lovingly repeated over and over on this thread:
1- The clutch is not as nice as the new KTM's, that said it is important to check the fluid level as it appears that almost all of the new bikes have an over filled reservoir which causes the clutch to behave erratically. Once corrected it is a lot better. The gearbox has always been clunky and it appears it still is.
2- I have done 4000km and my rear pads still look new. The guy complaining may have had a binding issue on his.
3- No problems with the rear drive gator on mine or anyone I have talked to.
4- I don't have the vario's but we did fit a set when I was deciding whether to buy them and they fit fine. I guess the guy complaining may have had a factory fault on his.

Personally I love my LC and would recommend it to anyone who asks.


+1
agree with you.  I have the Anakee IIIs - no shake issues just irritating hum which is improving with wear.


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on July 18, 2013, 10:23:19 am
1- The clutch is not as nice as the new KTM's, that said it is important to check the fluid level as it appears that almost all of the new bikes have an over filled reservoir which causes the clutch to behave erratically. Once corrected it is a lot better. The gearbox has always been clunky and it appears it still is.
2- I have done 4000km and my rear pads still look new. The guy complaining may have had a binding issue on his.
3- No problems with the rear drive gator on mine or anyone I have talked to.
4- I don't have the vario's but we did fit a set when I was deciding whether to buy them and they fit fine. I guess the guy complaining may have had a factory fault on his.

Personally I love my LC and would recommend it to anyone who asks.


Agreed 100%, love the bike  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 18, 2013, 10:24:30 am
Mine has the Anakees III's on, I have not experience any headshake whatsoever. That said I have only done 1300 K's so far, with about 700 K's on dirt and gravel roads.

Will test the 80 Km/h shake this weekend

The tires do have a pretty loud hum though!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 18, 2013, 10:36:51 am
I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC devolps a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal? Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?






THIS is what I was talking about..... some people will have problems - other's not! 
Somewhere there's issues and BMW needs to have this resolved before it kills more people..........?

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: corriej on July 18, 2013, 01:16:35 pm
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

List of changes for the 2014 R1200GS


https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261 (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 18, 2013, 01:22:23 pm
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

List of changes for the 2014 R1200GS

  • The two modes ďRainĒ and ďRoadĒ, along with ASC as standard.
  • New ďProĒ mode with three additional riding modes ďDynamicĒ, ďEnduroĒ and ďEnduro ProĒ, including harmonized ASC and ABS as an optional extra.
  • Dynamic ESA can now be ordered separately, independently of the riding modes.
  • The existing five modes are no longer available as an optional extra.
  • Steering damper as standard.
  • White-coated coil springs with the option Dynamic ESA
  • Altered features for the package options ďDynamic Performance,Ē ďComfortĒ and ďTouringĒ.
  • All options can now be ordered separately except for the on-board computer Pro.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261 (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261)

My bike already have the Rain, Road, Dynamic, Enduro and Enduro Pro modes, are the 2014 ones different?

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 18, 2013, 05:52:32 pm

My bike already have the Rain, Road, Dynamic, Enduro and Enduro Pro modes, are the 2014 ones different?



Just in how you choose the options and what is available at the same time. Don't worry...:)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 19, 2013, 04:27:06 am
I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC devolps a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal? Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?





I have just read that the guys on the UKGser forum are of the opinion that this wobble is caused by the topbox
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 19, 2013, 05:30:48 am
DIt is ook seker die probleem met my laaitie se XR125, daai wobble op 80km/h moet die topbox wees. Sit 12 biere in dan is dit beter
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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Adventurer on July 19, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

List of changes for the 2014 R1200GS

  • The two modes ďRainĒ and ďRoadĒ, along with ASC as standard.
  • New ďProĒ mode with three additional riding modes ďDynamicĒ, ďEnduroĒ and ďEnduro ProĒ, including harmonized ASC and ABS as an optional extra.
  • Dynamic ESA can now be ordered separately, independently of the riding modes.
  • The existing five modes are no longer available as an optional extra.
  • Steering damper as standard.
  • White-coated coil springs with the option Dynamic ESA
  • Altered features for the package options ďDynamic Performance,Ē ďComfortĒ and ďTouringĒ.
  • All options can now be ordered separately except for the on-board computer Pro.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261 (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261)

My bike already have the Rain, Road, Dynamic, Enduro and Enduro Pro modes, are the 2014 ones different?



Yup, they are removing the Enduro Pro mode, reckon it is superfluous.... :peepwall: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 19, 2013, 05:50:44 pm
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

List of changes for the 2014 R1200GS

  • The two modes ďRainĒ and ďRoadĒ, along with ASC as standard.
  • New ďProĒ mode with three additional riding modes ďDynamicĒ, ďEnduroĒ and ďEnduro ProĒ, including harmonized ASC and ABS as an optional extra.
  • Dynamic ESA can now be ordered separately, independently of the riding modes.
  • The existing five modes are no longer available as an optional extra.
  • Steering damper as standard.
  • White-coated coil springs with the option Dynamic ESA
  • Altered features for the package options ďDynamic Performance,Ē ďComfortĒ and ďTouringĒ.
  • All options can now be ordered separately except for the on-board computer Pro.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261 (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261)

My bike already have the Rain, Road, Dynamic, Enduro and Enduro Pro modes, are the 2014 ones different?



Yup, they are removing the Enduro Pro mode, reckon it is superfluous.... :peepwall: :biggrin:

Oh wow. Did not pick that up. Would rather buy the damper later than losing Enduro Pro
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on July 20, 2013, 04:28:43 am
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

List of changes for the 2014 R1200GS

  • The two modes ďRainĒ and ďRoadĒ, along with ASC as standard.
  • New ďProĒ mode with three additional riding modes ďDynamicĒ, ďEnduroĒ and ďEnduro ProĒ, including harmonized ASC and ABS as an optional extra.
  • Dynamic ESA can now be ordered separately, independently of the riding modes.
  • The existing five modes are no longer available as an optional extra.
  • Steering damper as standard.
  • White-coated coil springs with the option Dynamic ESA
  • Altered features for the package options ďDynamic Performance,Ē ďComfortĒ and ďTouringĒ.
  • All options can now be ordered separately except for the on-board computer Pro.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261 (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=bmw-motorrad-facelift-measures-for-the-model-year-2014&outputChannelId=6&id=T0143599EN&left_menu_item=node__2261)

 :patch: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 20, 2013, 06:41:26 pm
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?


Yup .. I think it should.  The only time I ever had a head shake or tank slap on my 2011 R1 was when I hit 'n funny bump in the road below 200km/H... The electronically controlled steering damper only kicked in over 200km/H.
A steering damper is designed to prevent head shake....


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 20, 2013, 06:50:37 pm
I have picked up a problem with my steering on what feels like a serious instability or headshake what every you want to call it. Try the following, close your throttle on about 80km/h and hold your handle bars very lightly. My LC devolps a serious headshake that quickly becomes a Tankslapper, personally this could not be normal? Have done a long trip over the weekend and had lots of time to play around with all possible mode settings and tyre pressure and nothing made any difference to the issue. All that I think that it could be is a tyre problem. I have the Tourance tyres on the bike with about 2400km on .

Anybody else experience this?





I have just read that the guys on the UKGser forum are of the opinion that this wobble is caused by the topbox

I will ask the guys at the dealership tomorrow if they have heard of anything like this... Can't really figure out how the topbox can be the cause... unless it is causing the front to lighten up? ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 20, 2013, 07:05:22 pm
Not the topbox, does the same with or without. BMW is collecting my LC on Monday for testing......
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 20, 2013, 07:05:44 pm
Found a nice clip about the head shake on the LC..... this guy seems to have tested it out quite well IMO.

2013 BMW R1200GS stability vs light steering (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDPMLxAZP0#ws)

 O0

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 20, 2013, 07:11:14 pm
Not the topbox, does the same with or without. BMW is collecting my LC on Monday for testing......

Let us know what they say .... I am picking up my LC some time this week.  I am also fitting a top box and some other extras.

Which tyres do you have on you LC?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on July 21, 2013, 12:09:54 am
Found a nice clip about the head shake on the LC..... this guy seems to have tested it out quite well IMO.

2013 BMW R1200GS stability vs light steering (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDPMLxAZP0#ws)

 O0


Interesting info in that video. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 21, 2013, 08:50:26 am
I see updates in the UK talk about same problems in the USA - bikes being returned to BMW and full refunds being given to people..... one bike not even 1700km on the clock!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on July 21, 2013, 09:32:25 am
I see updates in the UK talk about same problems in the USA - bikes being returned to BMW and full refunds being given to people..... one bike not even 1700km on the clock!

 :eek7:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jondu on July 21, 2013, 09:52:36 am
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 22, 2013, 03:32:15 am
Not the topbox, does the same with or without. BMW is collecting my LC on Monday for testing......

I did about 1 100 K's this weekend with my bike on all kinds of roads, highways, smaller tar roads, gravel highways and jeep tracks. Road conditions varied substantially, did lose marble like stones on hard packed dirt, sandy conditions, very fine powder dust about 100mm thick, rocky conditions etc. Speed varied between 40 and 230 on the speedo. Did not experience any headshake or instability issues. I tested the deceleration from 80 km/h with only very light input on the steering, no instability at all

Please keep us updated with the results from the testing Gsing!

I experienced the following problems with the bike:

 - Real wheel is loosing pressure, although I cannot find a puncture
 - The ESA button stopped working for a while, need still to find out why, probably due to the very dusty conditions.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on July 23, 2013, 08:33:43 am
Will a steering damper fix head-shake?

...A steering damper is designed to prevent dampen head shake....

Fixed!

Don't get fooled by advertising!

Found a nice clip about the head shake on the LC..... this guy seems to have tested it out quite well IMO.

2013 BMW R1200GS stability vs light steering (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDPMLxAZP0#ws)

 O0



All the video shows is the bike does dampen rider induced oscillations - just like about each and every other bike.

This has got bugger all to do with kickback & "tank slappers" which is induced into the steering by the road surface.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 23, 2013, 03:45:17 pm
That video does not show any problem, where is the headshake?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: COLES on July 23, 2013, 03:50:27 pm


i think i will keep my gs1200 triple black for awhile longer
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 23, 2013, 04:32:16 pm

This has got bugger all to do with kickback & "tank slappers" which is induced into the steering by the road surface.
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Please advise why the steering induced wobble has nothing to do with road induced wobbles?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 23, 2013, 09:36:27 pm
 :happy1:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 23, 2013, 11:31:56 pm
My dealer claims only the very first batch gives head. It makes sense then for Pauli's bike then. Not good, of course.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 23, 2013, 11:38:29 pm
Hope they sort it, bike have been with BMW now for two days, and still no news...............

PS - Lucky I have the KTM as backup, never thought that I would ever say that.......... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 24, 2013, 07:23:09 am
Hope they sort it, bike have been with BMW now for two days, and still no news...............

PS - Lucky I have the KTM as backup, never thought that I would ever say that.......... :imaposer:
Did you ride another GS to feel if it does the same? Can you give some more info on when and how this happens, bike load, suspension setup, when and how often
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on July 24, 2013, 07:44:04 am
That video does not show any problem, where is the headshake?

They are trying to prove that the bike is not susceptible to kick back and tank slappers but they don't seem to understand where the kick back comes from ::)


Please advise why the steering induced wobble has nothing to do with road induced wobbles?


I'll try and not make this too technical. :D Please ask if you lose me.

Let's work with a mechanical model:
Your bikes steering physically works like a pendulum: It tends to center itself. It will swing until it's slowed down by friction and centered again if you disturb it.

In the video they disturb the steering by an input from the handlebars. Then they leave the system alone and it does what it is designed to do: The steering geometry and damping of the tire calm down the movement quickly. Every bike will do that, not just a BMW.

Rider / handlebar induced oscillations are rather harmless because your arms have a rather high damping rate and they aren't very elastic. The steering needs a continuous input like turbulent air flow from a leading car or truck or your fluttering jacket to keep a wobble going and simple things like loosening your death grip on the bars, shifting your weight or tapping off or accelerating will quickly cure the wobble.

In our model your arms resemble a very stiff shock absorber. The one end attaches to the pendulum (the steering), you push or pull on the other end.
Pushing / pulling will deflect the pendulum. The high damping and stiffness of your arms in death grip will slow the pendulum down considerably. The steering will take more time to return to the stable & straight position, the bike will start to change its course (like you pulling on the bars to initiate a turn). If you pull on your bars periodically and alternatingly your bike will weave from side to side.

Now we look at the steering and your tire:
Here the situation is completely different. The tire is rather flexible and pretty much likes to behave like a rather soft spring. (Ever seen some high speed footage of a tire going over a bump?) Internal damping is something a tire ideally should have in oodles but you have to build it in using intricate combinations of rubber with layers of fabric and belting made of Kevlar or steel. Too much internal damping and you have a rather uncomfortable fork lift wheel :-\

You hit a couple of potholes - off centre:

Imagine you push and pull the end of a soft spring attached to your pendulum (you grab the tire by its contact patch and twist it against the steering):
Depending on your timing and size of your inputs the pendulum will remain almost stationary or it will start to swing.
As long as your push & pull and the movement of the pendulum is more or less in phase (swings towards you as you pull and away as you push) everything stays neat and controllable: Kick back. A very common phenomenon encountered when riding through potholes and over  bumps, even in sand.
Next you move your input out of phase. Push towards the pendulum as it approaches you and pull as it moves away. If you get the frequency right the pendulum will swing madly. This is called resonance. Transferred back onto your bike: A tank slapper.

Now you have learnt:
The tank slapper is caused by a bump or series of bumps in the road. (One bump very rarely does it).
The damping of the steering has an influence: Front suspension geometry (rake, trail, steering angle, tire diameter and width) and mass.
The damping of the tire has an influence

Final conclusion:
Every bike may tank slap if the right (wrong) conditions come together.
Correct suspension setup and tire pressure does a lot to avoid tank slappers and is the most important cure.
Different type of tires can improve the bike but can also make things worse.
A steering damper can improve a problematic bike but comes with disadvantages. It should ideally act as an ideal (brick wall) low pass filter damping only the resonance of the steering (and above) but have no damping at slower movements. Existing dampers are unfortunately real world ones. Further disadvantages are added complexity and price.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on July 24, 2013, 09:40:00 am
Thanks for the explanation lecap, Tankslappers is therefore dependant on the natural frequency of the bike, once the tyre induced deviations approach the natural frequency of the bike, the deviations will increase, resulting in a tank slapper.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 24, 2013, 08:25:17 pm
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jondu on July 24, 2013, 08:36:50 pm
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.

Good sivice from BMW?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on July 24, 2013, 08:38:15 pm
As ALWAYS!!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on July 24, 2013, 08:54:32 pm
As ALWAYS!!!  :thumleft:

Glad to hear that thing seem to be coming right here. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on July 25, 2013, 08:43:36 am
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.

needed to change the wheel as well?  :patch:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on July 25, 2013, 08:52:57 am
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.

needed to change the wheel as well?  :patch:


for testing purposes it's probably easier to merely swap whole wheels than to change a lot of tyres....  ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on July 25, 2013, 07:27:43 pm
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.
If I may ask ... What brand of tyres are giving you the issues?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zacapa on July 25, 2013, 07:52:49 pm
A different perspective on this:
My R80 airhead is looking to kill me on any bumpy road with a tankslapper of note. It's a monolever BMW and made in 1985. It requires a firm hand and some forethought when hussling through the bends, especially on a bumpy road. Adding spacers to preload the front forks is also a bad idea as your front wheel then has a tendency to loose grip as the bike is not settled enough in the suspension and therefore rides higher which causes the front wheel to loose traction even earlier. Now I don't own a 1200LC, but my recommendation would be to run softer springs in the front for the lighter riders and compensate the rear sag to balance things out. If the bike is settled in its compression stroke by about 1/3 of overall suspension travel things should be good as a starting point. I know the LC is a new age bike and suspension settings are semi computerised which makes things more difficult to find a baseline setting.
Has anyone checked their LC in the different modes to see what suspension sag is with rider onboard. Comeon, we want to see the numbers.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on July 26, 2013, 06:16:57 am
If I may ask ... What brand of tyres are giving you the issues?

The Metzeler Tourance NEXT. As the mileage on my LC creeps closer to 5000km, the same is starting to happen!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Callie GS on July 31, 2013, 08:43:55 pm
Tested my LC and it also give a similar wiggle at 80 kph.
I am just about on 6000 km and I am going to fit a set of Mitas EO7`s
after my trip to Swaziland mid August , will see what happen then.
I don't think there will be to much diff in a 150 and 160 at the back ??
Still an awesome bike !!!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 01, 2013, 02:49:07 pm
If I may ask ... What brand of tyres are giving you the issues?

The Metzeler Tourance NEXT. As the mileage on my LC creeps closer to 5000km, the same is starting to happen!

Swapped my GSA for Elsie last week and have 500 odd km on the clock now. Elsie came with ContiTrailAttack 2 tyres fitted... and even though I have never been a Conti fan, I must say that this set of rubbers are not half bad. Good grip in the dry and in the Cape stormy wet...
I have tried various things with the bike at speeds ranging from 40 kmh to 140 kmh and have not had any headshake. The steering becomes a bit light on the other side of 200 kmh... but I put it down to the bike not really being designed for those sort of speeds... it's not supposed to be a superbike after all.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on August 01, 2013, 04:28:00 pm
It seems that we have found the problem, and as I thought it was tyre related. They have changed the front wheel and tyre with another brand and the instability was gone. They will change it again with another wheel and tyre tomorrow and run some more tests, if they get the same result, they will change the current tyre with a new one and I can have my LC back.

Glad it is sorted. I had a similar stability problem when I put E 10' s on my older GS. It started weaving at 120, on tar!! Shows you what a tyre can do.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 02, 2013, 04:48:21 pm
I am now on my second LC GS with the following issues that I have experienced first hand, incidentally mine was the first LC to be sold by Atlantic Motorrad.

First bike was replaced after 1st service at about 800km, with BMW SA replacing the bike due to diagnosed gearbox's imminent failure.

This was subsequently resolved by BMW Germany with a finding that the ESA required re calibration, which silenced the grinding gear noise emitted from  the gearbox/diff.

Replacement bike's clutch was inconsistent with bite and lever tension ranging from almost nothing to virtually no lever play. Just after first service, again, the clutch just disappeared in traffic one morning resulting in the bike jerking to a halt in gear at a traffic light.

Dealer found to much hydraulic fluid in the system when they opened it up. They also found the remains of a cleaning rag between the slave cylinder and engine mounting seat!!!

Rear pads was found to be to soft whist doing a trip through Germany and Austria with two of the bikes having to replace their rear brake pads at circa 3-4K kms.

Tyre rumble with the Annakee3 are close to that of off road tires.

Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers.

Gear engagement from neutral is met with harsh engagement and finding neutral is tricky at best of times. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 02, 2013, 06:06:24 pm
This sure does not sound too good. :( :(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 03, 2013, 09:53:25 am
Gear engagement from neutral is met with harsh engagement and finding neutral is tricky at best of times. 

The gear engagement from neutral is more or less the same on my LC as it was on my GSA... but finding neutral is not the easiest of tasks.  I am hoping it will get better as I put more km on.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2013, 10:37:10 am
Gear engagement from neutral is met with harsh engagement and finding neutral is tricky at best of times. 

The gear engagement from neutral is more or less the same on my LC as it was on my GSA... but finding neutral is not the easiest of tasks.  I am hoping it will get better as I put more km on.


Just one bit of advice........ ensure that all the problems are logged with BMW against your VIN number - it needs to go on records mate - otherwise you might find that in 6 months time - the problem is still there and you're left in the lurch as it was not logged.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on August 05, 2013, 09:47:18 am
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Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ???
Are you suicidal ???


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 05, 2013, 12:44:50 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 05, 2013, 12:56:46 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Adventurer on August 05, 2013, 05:34:11 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 05, 2013, 06:28:34 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

Quite correct... ;) Does indeed make perfect sense ;) :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 05, 2013, 06:51:46 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Battlestar on August 06, 2013, 08:20:38 am
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:
I think that is for the Aluminum Luggage? The Vario is only rated to 130kph

Back to the bike one passed me this morning at full tilt with a Akro and it sounds freaking wild.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Adventurer on August 06, 2013, 02:07:34 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:

I stand corrected, this must be recent though, all the luggage systems I've ever seen say 130km/h.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 06, 2013, 02:53:09 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:

I stand corrected, this must be recent though, all the luggage systems I've ever seen say 130km/h.


nope had it in my Aluminium panniers in 2008 already....   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Adventurer on August 06, 2013, 05:43:15 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:

I stand corrected, this must be recent though, all the luggage systems I've ever seen say 130km/h.


nope had it in my Aluminium panniers in 2008 already....   :thumleft:

And they assume a GSA with full luggage can go over 180? :biggrin:

I'll have a look next time I see this luggage, or will check it out at AMID.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 06, 2013, 07:27:12 pm
...
Bikes became quite floaty on the Autobahn when exceeding 200km/h with top boxes extended and carrying two weeks luggage in the extended panniers...

Are you serious ??? YES
Are you suicidal ???  NO


I do not expect a loaded bike to run stable at 200+ Maybe that's how I managed to do 250,000km or so on bikes without a serious accident? GOOD FOR YOU

oooooo.....touchie/sensitive point perhaps?? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Haven't read the whole thread, but BMW luggage, and most other brands, have decals attached warning the rider not to exceed 130km/h.  So, anything that happens after that is no fault of the bike.

The sticker on the inside of the topbox actually says: "When loaded: On F800GS, do not exceed 160km/H.  On R1200GS do not exceed 180km/H"  :ricky:
I think that is for the Aluminum Luggage? The Vario is only rated to 130kph

Back to the bike one passed me this morning at full tilt with a Akro and it sounds freaking wild.

Actually both the aluminium and the vario is rated to 180km/H with a full load.  (I had the aluminium on my 2012 GSA, and I have the vario on my LC now)
Check the sticker on the inside of the topbox.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 06, 2013, 10:07:55 pm
Jirre get over the speed rating of the boxes already!! I exceeded the rated speed and lived to tell the tale. The issue is that I did not experience the well documented headshake
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 07, 2013, 03:23:28 pm
Jirre get over the speed rating of the boxes already!! I exceeded the rated speed and lived to tell the tale. The issue is that I did not experience the well documented headshake

Good, what tyres did you have on. The headshake is at 80kph not 180.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 07, 2013, 03:33:48 pm
Please guys go and vote, currently it appears that it is caused by Metzler Tourance Next.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=129793.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=129793.0)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 07, 2013, 04:30:49 pm
Jirre get over the speed rating of the boxes already!! I exceeded the rated speed and lived to tell the tale. The issue is that I did not experience the well documented headshake

Good, what tyres did you have on. The headshake is at 80kph not 180.


Anakee3s
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on August 07, 2013, 10:45:05 pm
Okay, front Tourance was replaced due to faulty batch....??? and problem was beter, but still there. BMW will warranty the set with any other brand when anything else becomes available one day ...................... Can't believe that we can only get Tourance in SA after four months ........WTF????

Latest is a leaking clutch reservoir, replacement ordered and are going to wait probably 3-4 weeks......
So, I have a very beautifully show room bike for the next 3-4 weeks.......


PS - Geeezzz, and I was worried about the 1190 when I bought it................ :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 08, 2013, 07:15:51 am
Okay, front Tourance was replaced due to faulty batch....??? and problem was beter, but still there. BMW will warranty the set with any other brand when anything else becomes available one day ...................... Can't believe that we can only get Tourance in SA after four months ........WTF????

Latest is a leaking clutch reservoir, replacement ordered and are going to wait probably 3-4 weeks......
So, I have a very beautifully show room bike for the next 3-4 weeks.......


PS - Geeezzz, and I was worried about the 1190 when I bought it................ :imaposer: :imaposer:

What about the clutch action, are they saying it's the leaking reservoir?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on August 08, 2013, 09:26:48 am
Latest is a leaking clutch reservoir, replacement ordered and are going to wait probably 3-4 weeks......

Is dit dalk die oorsaak dat jy (ons) sukkel met die clutch?

Ek het ook verneem dat die Karoo 3's einde Aug beskikbaar gaan wees.  :thumleft:

PS: Het gehoor dat die 2014 modelle uit gaan kom met 'n steering damper!!!  ??? Is daar dan fout.... Ek ervaar geen headshake nie, het gister Schurweberg gaan ry en geen probleme ervaar nie. Bande rondom 2 bar voor en agter, Enduro Pro en ESA op soft.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 08, 2013, 09:28:34 am
Leaking resevior in all probability means the sytem is under more preasure than it should be
My bike also appeared to have too much fluid in the system which was found to be caused by the rag left between clutch slave cylinder and the mounting seat
Tell tale signs are a inconsistent feel from cluch lever. Rumor has it that my bike was not the only one suffering from this
Jan Staal's bike also had a clutch disappeared on him...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 08, 2013, 09:33:12 am
Latest is a leaking clutch reservoir, replacement ordered and are going to wait probably 3-4 weeks......

Is dit dalk die oorsaak dat jy (ons) sukkel met die clutch?

Ek het ook verneem dat die Karoo 3's einde Aug beskikbaar gaan wees.  :thumleft:

PS: Het gehoor dat die 2014 modelle uit gaan kom met 'n steering damper!!!  ??? Is daar dan fout.... Ek ervaar geen headshake nie, het gister Schurweberg gaan ry en geen probleme ervaar nie. Bande rondom 2 bar voor en agter, Enduro Pro en ESA op soft.  :thumleft:

Why you are battling with your clutch might well be an assembly lack of quality control, refer to my clutch slave cylinder pics on earlier post, which shows a stop rag left between clutch slave cylinder and mounting seat
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on August 08, 2013, 10:11:55 am
Why you are battling with your clutch might well be an assembly lack of quality control, refer to my clutch slave cylinder pics on earlier post, which shows a stop rag left between clutch slave cylinder and mounting seat

On numerous discussions between GSing and I, we both confirmed that we struggle to get a "feel" for the clutch. It is as if it bites at different positions, no constant. Don't know if the rag could cause this? Will check however if I can see anything wrong.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 08, 2013, 11:32:43 am
Elsie now has 900km on the clock... my issue with find neutral has disappeared, so I am putting it down to everything was just new and stiff.
I have tried various things on varying types of road (tar and gravel) to get headshake, and I have not had any headshake.  The conti tyres are great on tar (wet and dry) but are not too great on the gravel.
I also don't have any clutch issues.  The clutch bites and lets go at the same spots everytime.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 08, 2013, 12:49:31 pm
Why you are battling with your clutch might well be an assembly lack of quality control, refer to my clutch slave cylinder pics on earlier post, which shows a stop rag left between clutch slave cylinder and mounting seat

On numerous discussions between GSing and I, we both confirmed that we struggle to get a "feel" for the clutch. It is as if it bites at different positions, no constant. Don't know if the rag could cause this? Will check however if I can see anything wrong.  :thumleft:

This was exactly my issue with clutch not having consistent bite
This i believe was caused by the rag that creates resistance on the actuator shaft
Show your dealer the pictures that I posted and have them check it out
Odds are you have the same problem
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on August 08, 2013, 12:57:03 pm
Why you are battling with your clutch might well be an assembly lack of quality control, refer to my clutch slave cylinder pics on earlier post, which shows a stop rag left between clutch slave cylinder and mounting seat

On numerous discussions between GSing and I, we both confirmed that we struggle to get a "feel" for the clutch. It is as if it bites at different positions, no constant. Don't know if the rag could cause this? Will check however if I can see anything wrong.  :thumleft:

This was exactly my issue with clutch not having consistent bite
This i believe was caused by the rag that creates resistance on the actuator shaft
Show your dealer the pictures that I posted and have them check it out
Odds are you have the same problem

Thanks Benn  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 13, 2013, 08:17:46 am
Still having the issue of finding the bite? I do believe I know what you are talking about: it's as if the bite section of he clutch is "roaming", right? I've set the clutch to a setting now where I can more consistently use it. I also do believe it's better after the first service.

Why you are battling with your clutch might well be an assembly lack of quality control, refer to my clutch slave cylinder pics on earlier post, which shows a stop rag left between clutch slave cylinder and mounting seat

On numerous discussions between GSing and I, we both confirmed that we struggle to get a "feel" for the clutch. It is as if it bites at different positions, no constant. Don't know if the rag could cause this? Will check however if I can see anything wrong.  :thumleft:

This was exactly my issue with clutch not having consistent bite
This i believe was caused by the rag that creates resistance on the actuator shaft
Show your dealer the pictures that I posted and have them check it out
Odds are you have the same problem

Thanks Benn  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: stan1975 on August 13, 2013, 08:28:34 am
My 2 cents worth... New models are great, new problems on new models now so great.

I'm sure BMW will get it right.... Eventually.

That's why I'll hang on to my trusty '06 model for the meantime and wait for the dust to settle before looking at the new LC.

IMHO our dealers don't know enough about the new bike... And I question BMW SA's commitment to backing up the product after the sale. Dealers are left in the dark taking flak from the customers way too much in SA.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: FATO on August 13, 2013, 11:39:01 am
??? Is daar dan fout.... Ek ervaar geen headshake nie, het gister Schurweberg gaan ry en geen probleme ervaar nie. Bande rondom 2 bar voor en agter, Enduro Pro en ESA op soft.  :thumleft:
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Nee man Herman, kan nie waar wees nie. Jy sal maar weer moet gaan ry totdat jy die headshake ervaar!  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on August 13, 2013, 01:51:07 pm
Nee man Herman, kan nie waar wees nie. Jy sal maar weer moet gaan ry totdat jy die headshake ervaar!  :imaposer: :imaposer:

FATO, ek dink jy is reg. Ek sal meer moet ry tot ek die ervaring kan kry.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on August 14, 2013, 11:03:39 pm
ek hou nie van wat ek lees nie  :'(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: corriej on August 16, 2013, 05:39:52 am
An article on the R1200GS LC clutch issues in the latest BMW Motorrad magazine

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll100/corriej_photos/BMWMags_zps66f4d59c.jpg)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: buzzlightyear on August 16, 2013, 06:11:48 am
Wonder of daai olie ooit in SA beskikbaar is...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 16, 2013, 06:16:52 am
Wonder of daai olie ooit in SA beskikbaar is...

Dit is, ek het gecheck toe hulle my bike haar eerste diens gegee het
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on August 16, 2013, 02:09:10 pm
Only BMW approved oils for BMW bikes ::) Pathetic!

Jens Staebe pulls some old F650 (Funduro?) story out of his sleeve. Someone probably used a car engine oil with friction modifiers in the Funduro and was all surprised that it did not work like previously on the dry clutch longitudinal inline K's and Airheads ::)

I think the dude needs a reality check. We live in the 21st century now and have JASO MA spec oils which are formulated to work in wet clutch unit design bike engines.
If the other excellent JASO MA compliant products which work just fine in all Japanese & other European bike engines don't work in the new BMW then they can keep it, the wonderful "Bike of the year".
BMW blames it on the oil whilst "investigating further" (=let the customer do the beta testing ::) ) Pfffft!

I was quite curious what BMW will come up with when the first rumors of the watercooled boxer surfaced.
I must say I'm disappointed.
Both the F800 Parallel twin as well as the Rotax Single IMHO got off the starting block much better.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 16, 2013, 05:11:39 pm
Absolutely unbelievable and as LeCap indicated ..... pathetic
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GG on August 16, 2013, 05:36:31 pm
Whitewash from BM flip exact same issue I had on the one I rode in Spain.  One wonders how the new owners will feel when they sell their new bikes and people say "no sorry don't want that model, that was pre fixing the steering damper, clutch, gearbox etc"  Oh fine my resale has just plummeted don't worry BM i'll bite the bullet!!!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on August 17, 2013, 02:33:37 pm
Wonder of daai olie ooit in SA beskikbaar is...

Dit is, ek het gecheck toe hulle my bike haar eerste diens gegee het

Dit is ja .... maar kos R1000 vir 4 liter.  not for the faint hearted  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on August 17, 2013, 03:49:13 pm
Now I ask you a question:
I sell an engine oil with the exact same spec (SAE 5W40 synthetic ester base stock, JASO MA compliant) for R 288 for 4 litres.
Do you think it costs R 712 more to make four litres of the Castrol stuff?
Is Castrol pocketing the R712?
Is BMW pocketing the R712?
Do Castrol and BMW share the R712 and have a good laugh after you paid & left?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bundu on August 17, 2013, 04:01:04 pm
what I don't understand, is, why are there these classifications, what's their purpose, if the manufacturers insist that a specific brand has to be used  ???

sounds like a money making rip-off
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 17, 2013, 04:28:26 pm
Wonder of daai olie ooit in SA beskikbaar is...

Dit is, ek het gecheck toe hulle my bike haar eerste diens gegee het

Dit is ja .... maar kos R1000 vir 4 liter.  not for the faint hearted  :thumleft:

SHIT :o :o How the hell is this justified??? :patch: :patch:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bundu on August 17, 2013, 04:48:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q0LaiARPC4w
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 17, 2013, 05:16:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q0LaiARPC4w

 :spitcoffee: Bwahahahahahahaha :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Excellent!!! :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 17, 2013, 05:21:06 pm
I have read enough......BM can keep the new LC or sell it to their loyal 'sheep'.....i liked the 'old model' but no thanks bm, go screw someone else.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 17, 2013, 05:33:08 pm
I have read enough......BM can keep the new LC or sell it to their loyal 'sheep'.....i liked the 'old model' but no thanks bm, go screw someone else.

To be really honest......I find myself agreeing with you on that point. ;) :thumleft: Frikking Crazy to pay so much for oil. :dousing:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Moondog on August 17, 2013, 09:51:16 pm
I must say, my minds pretty made up as to what my next bike will be - and it ain't the LC.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 17, 2013, 11:51:42 pm
I must say, my minds pretty made up as to what my next bike will be - and it ain't the LC.

I think deep down inside....a lot of people feel this way about the new LC BMW >:( >:(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: pieman on August 18, 2013, 08:57:28 am
I must say, my minds pretty made up as to what my next bike will be - and it ain't the LC.

Ek stem 100% saam. BMW het bietjie die plot verloor.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: fredda on August 18, 2013, 05:13:53 pm
I have not owned or ridden a BMW bike before, but even with all the problems mentioned, (which I am sure will be corrected), I am very excited about the new GS LC.
I am strongly considering to get one in 2014 after the updates.

Now I know I am opening up a can of worms here, but some of the reasons I am excited about, which I believe are better than the previous model include: :pot:

1. It water cooled with a fan, which means the temp can be controlled better in stand still traffic or slow technical riding.
2. It uses a wet clutch, which is also better for technical riding.
3. The wet clutch is so much easier to access, no need to split the engine and gearbox.
4. Because the new integrated engine is more compact, it allows the swingarm to be 50mm longer which improves handling dynamics.
5. The air intake shrouds have been moved upwards, allowing safer water crossings.
6. From the reviews I have read, it doesn't seem to use any oil during the break in period.

Then there is all the electronic advancements, which moves this bike well ahead of the previous models.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on August 18, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
Tomorrow I would be waiting for 3 weeks for the replacement clutch reservoir ................ and the best is that BMW can't say when the part will be in the country...........

I have been up to now been calm about the issues with my LC, but this is really getting frustrating.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bundu on August 18, 2013, 07:14:33 pm
I have not owned or ridden a BMW bike before, but even with all the problems mentioned, (which I am sure will be corrected), I am very excited about the new GS LC.
I am strongly considering to get one in 2014 after the updates.

Now I know I am opening up a can of worms here, but some of the reasons I am excited about, which I believe are better than the previous model include: :pot:

1. It water cooled with a fan, which means the temp can be controlled better in stand still traffic or slow technical riding.
2. It uses a wet clutch, which is also better for technical riding.
3. The wet clutch is so much easier to access, no need to split the engine and gearbox.
4. Because the new integrated engine is more compact, it allows the swingarm to be 50mm longer which improves handling dynamics.
5. The air intake shrouds have been moved upwards, allowing safer water crossings.
6. From the reviews I have read, it doesn't seem to use any oil during the break in period.

Then there is all the electronic advancements, which moves this bike well ahead of the previous models.

do some googling on your points 2, 4 and 6 and filter by using words such as grabbing, slapper and liquid gold....  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: dips on August 18, 2013, 08:57:13 pm
Guys my story is  if you have the bucs to by a LC and it makes you tick go for it 
i love my GS adv and wil wait and see in 2014 what the new one looks like and this year will teach us alot about the new developements
personaly i dont think bmw will put reputation at stake  . look not all the parts are made in germany . so yes some of the manufacturers of some of the parts maybe faulty or sub standard   who knows  .
My final say is if you dont have a lc shut up and whatch the lc owners ride or repair
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 18, 2013, 09:20:24 pm
Guys my story is  if you have the bucs to by a LC and it makes you tick go for it 
i love my GS adv and wil wait and see in 2014 what the new one looks like and this year will teach us alot about the new developements
personaly i dont think bmw will put reputation at stake  . look not all the parts are made in germany . so yes some of the manufacturers of some of the parts maybe faulty or sub standard   who knows  .
My final say is if you dont have a lc shut up and whatch the lc owners ride or repair

You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 18, 2013, 09:42:28 pm
B I O
Not sure its a terrible wave and being forced to ride it out. New models always have niggles, i have had my fair share of these. Each and every issue that I have had got sorted with maximum effort not only from BMW but also the dealer.
WRT to the top up oil, done about 5K on the current bike including very fast haul up to Sutherland with No oil used, better than I could say from all my previous dohc and pre dohc bikes I have owned.
And one more, important thing..... Not once have I been able to induce a pink!!!!!
Rode the bike again today and I can honestly say that the way the bike performs now it is just so much better in all respects than the model it replaced. From sheer performance to stability on both gravel and tar roads.
Would i take my money back if offered and buy a dohc model? Not a chance.


Ktm I believe have a winner in the new 1190, and quietly, I would buy one was it not for the only one dealer in CT
Once experience really arrogant sales staff... Have never been back...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bring It On on August 18, 2013, 09:53:41 pm
@ "BennNevis"

It sure is nice to hear that you have, through this "Trying Time"...been treated well :thumleft: :thumleft: Also nice to hear that you are still enjoying your bike & have not yet lost your faith in the bike, the service & the brand. I just hope that things will continue to get better as time goes by & that you keep moving forward. ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 18, 2013, 11:29:30 pm
Guys my story is  if you have the bucs to by a LC and it makes you tick go for it 
i love my GS adv and wil wait and see in 2014 what the new one looks like and this year will teach us alot about the new developements
personaly i dont think bmw will put reputation at stake  . look not all the parts are made in germany . so yes some of the manufacturers of some of the parts maybe faulty or sub standard   who knows  .
My final say is if you dont have a lc shut up and whatch the lc owners ride or repair

You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:

AND THAT my friend is the attitude that BMW love and allows them to constantly ignore the real issues with their product ..... as well as pretend that all their loyal brand supporters are all idiots  :-[
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 19, 2013, 07:14:30 am
You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:

I ride an LC.... I love the LC!!

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the bike don't even own one??? WTF???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Obi -Wan on August 19, 2013, 07:17:01 am
So let me understand this :

1) Because I have an oilhead it overheats in slow traffic - I'll be sure to keep checking this....
2) The wet clutch is easy to access - Maybe it needs to be based on the reports coming out- I know of an 1150 GS on 260,000 km on the old dry clutch and numerous others with over 130,000 km on. I think if I get over 100,000 lm on my dry clutch a little bit of work to change it is in order.
3) Handling dynamics - Where did you read this ? Please explain the dynamics part to us poor uninformed individuals - Sounds like BMW Marketing Dept.
4) Air Intake Shrouds ?  - Surely you are actually referring to the Air Intake - I don't care what you ride or drive, if you treat water crossings without respect they will bite you, irrespective of the height of the air intake.
5) No oil used during break in - Well - Hallelluja- Far more important not to use oil at 100,000 km than at 300 km.

When I read some of this stuff I realise that our schooling system has gone to pot.      
 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: fredda on August 19, 2013, 07:38:38 am
Obi-Wan, I maybe the schooling system has gone to pot, because reading with comprehension seems to be a problem.

I did not say the oil head over heats. I said the temp can be better controlled with the water head. There is a huge difference between these two statements.

Don't get so upset, I am not saying the older models are bad. In fact I really like them.

I am just saying that the new model excites me from an advancement from a engineering point of view.

That is my opinion, and you are allowed to differ.

Heck, if I was so in love with my own opinion I would have kept it to myself. But I am not, that is why I shared it on a public forum to get others view on it.

Keep well! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Obi -Wan on August 19, 2013, 07:55:37 am
Thank You,

I will differ from your opinion.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 19, 2013, 08:00:41 am
The LC is a K@k BIKE, it use expensive oil, everytime I ride it the headshake is so bad and that crappy gearbox and clutch.....
I'm one of those BMW owners with with no brains and I'm an idiot maybe that why I like it.

I never get it, If you have R175000 to spend on a bike why will you bitch about oil and service costs...........Oohh....sorry its the people that don't have the R175000 to spend on a bike that is bitching WTF!! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

When I get on my 1200GS Lc today I will hate every second of it

@ Goose ...you moan just like all the pomps on the UKgser site.....how many guys are actually moaning compared to bikes sold?

Gooi your best, I'm to dof (Lc owner) to understand in any case.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: fredda on August 19, 2013, 08:17:44 am
Lol Slaaiblaar! :spitcoffee:

Yes you are right, R175k is steep. If one can afford the bike, services and insurance cost, them good for them.  ;)

As much as I like the new LC so far, I will be the one to admit it that the overall cost of ownership will be a bit too much for me for where I am in my life right now.

Luckily there is the previous model, which more than capable.

BTW, oil is the one thing I never skip on. So regardless of what bike I ride, the oil change is close to the cost of the new LC anyway. I do it more often than recommended and use premium full synthetic oil on all my vehicles. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 19, 2013, 09:06:23 am
You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:

I ride an LC.... I love the LC!!

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the bike don't even own one??? WTF???

This is so interesting to me as well. I really do not care what the opinions are of people which do not own a LC. I am interested in the problems EXPERIENCED by people who OWN LC models, for example GSing.

If you do not own a LC, stop moaning and bitching about problems you have heard off, and go and play somewhere else! Maybe start your own threat headed " Kak praat oor bikes wat ons graag sou wou besit as ons kon"
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 19, 2013, 09:13:59 am
You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:

I ride an LC.... I love the LC!!

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the bike don't even own one??? WTF???

This is so interesting to me as well. I really do not care what the opinions are of people which do not own a LC. I am interested in the problems EXPERIENCED by people who OWN LC models, for example GSing.

If you do not own a LC, stop moaning and bitching about problems you have heard off
, and go and play somewhere else! Maybe start your own threat headed " Kak praat oor bikes wat ons graag sou wou besit as ons kon"


Listen boet - how can you chirp this...? 

Yes I don't own a LC - but I've just sold my DOHC GSA and in the market for a replacement bike and have a serious invested interest in the moans and groans of others - it's called market research mate............ and is totally relevant info that will be used in my decision whether I buy another DOHC or invest in a new model that might have serious problems...

The more people that sit up and discuss the issues - existing and potential LC owners - the more BMW would have to listen and hopefully sort the problems to prevent market-share loss.... does this not make sense....?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 19, 2013, 09:22:15 am
It only makes sense if people talk and discuss their own experience. The endless discussions based on hearsay and some things which might be a problem is getting to me.

Please talk to as much people owning a LC before you make your decision, I did as well, but stop to quote information from persons on the www and treat it as absolute gospel.

When GSing post about problems HE experience with HIS bike, I am al ears, because that is real problems, not some hogwash from journo's trying to get some publicity out of brand bashing
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Karlito on August 19, 2013, 09:50:43 am
Guys there is a very easy solution to this problem.

Just get an 1190 Adventure and have some change left over to buy new gear.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 19, 2013, 09:58:27 am
Guys there is a very easy solution to this problem.

Just get an 1190 Adventure and have some change left over to buy new gear.  :laughing4:


listen here - we might be having a few disagreements between us BM boys........... maar jy gaan nou net kark soek as jy hier tussenin sulke moles wil maak......   :lamer:





 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bikegeklap on August 19, 2013, 10:03:47 am
Luister ek is nou nie snaaks nie maar die hele ding het begin met 'n ou wat helfte van 'n storie gepos het...

BMW het geen probleem om die fiets reg te maak nie... as hulle probleme het sal hulle jou laat weet en op hoogte hou.. dis net een kant! aan die ander kant van die geveg is hulle ook besig om verandering in te bring...

ek het laas week gepos...

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=131343.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=131343.0)

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 19, 2013, 10:17:06 am
You make a valid point by telling all of us to "Shut Up". :thumleft: I just cannot help myself from really feeling for the guys that do own these bikes & are sort of forced to "ride out this TERRIBLE Wave"

Not a nice experience @ all. :patch:

I ride an LC.... I love the LC!!

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the bike don't even own one??? WTF???

This is so interesting to me as well. I really do not care what the opinions are of people which do not own a LC. I am interested in the problems EXPERIENCED by people who OWN LC models, for example GSing.

If you do not own a LC, stop moaning and bitching about problems you have heard off
, and go and play somewhere else! Maybe start your own threat headed " Kak praat oor bikes wat ons graag sou wou besit as ons kon"


Listen boet - how can you chirp this...? 

Yes I don't own a LC - but I've just sold my DOHC GSA and in the market for a replacement bike and have a serious invested interest in the moans and groans of others - it's called market research mate............ and is totally relevant info that will be used in my decision whether I buy another DOHC or invest in a new model that might have serious problems...

The more people that sit up and discuss the issues - existing and potential LC owners - the more BMW would have to listen and hopefully sort the problems to prevent market-share loss.... does this not make sense....?

Yes it makes sense, I agree with market research, also as you say, speak to existing and potential owners  :thumleft: :thumleft:. I for one have no problem telling anyone about the problems I have experienced, the fixes I may have applied and the results of such!

I am just tired of the assholes that keep chirping and it's more related to brand-bashing than anything else!

I just echo what BikerJan said!!!!

It only makes sense if people talk and discuss their own experience. The endless discussions based on hearsay and some things which might be a problem is getting to me.

Please talk to as much people owning a LC before you make your decision, I did as well, but stop to quote information from persons on the www and treat it as absolute gospel.

When GSing post about problems HE experience with HIS bike, I am al ears, because that is real problems, not some hogwash from journo's trying to get some publicity out of brand bashing
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 19, 2013, 10:33:34 am
Guys there is a very easy solution to this problem.

Just get an 1190 Adventure and have some change left over to buy new gear.  :laughing4:


listen here - we might be having a few disagreements between us BM boys........... maar jy gaan nou net kark soek as jy hier tussenin sulke moles wil maak......   :lamer:





 :imaposer:

Goose,

With your previous extensive experience on pinking of boxer motors, you will be pleased to know that that problem has gone away with the LC.
The problems experienced are niggles and are being sorted by dealers and BMW
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 19, 2013, 10:43:18 am
Guys there is a very easy solution to this problem.

Just get an 1190 Adventure and have some change left over to buy new gear.  :laughing4:


listen here - we might be having a few disagreements between us BM boys........... maar jy gaan nou net kark soek as jy hier tussenin sulke moles wil maak......   :lamer:





 :imaposer:

Goose,

With your previous extensive experience on pinking of boxer motors, you will be pleased to know that that problem has gone away with the LC.
The problems experienced are niggles and are being sorted by dealers and BMW

 :laughing4:  I know - the mapping was changed!  funny thing is that we were witness to a sales pitch being used where the potential LC client was told that the new LC engine "does not ping like the previous models" - nogal raised the eyebrow especially as there were so many denials that there was ever a problem before...  :patch:

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on August 19, 2013, 06:53:37 pm
I really don't get it:

The topic of this thread reads:

PROBLEMS with the new LC.
Which means it's about problems of the new bike ne?

If you want to start a club of BMW R1200GSLC riders here on the forum feel free to ask the forum owners if you can have your own little corner accessible only for those who paid their R 179,000 entry fee. (Please attach proof of payment).
Then you will be able to pontificate about the German ‹ber - engineering of the R1200GSLC amongst yourselves and all your fellow club members will agree that the bike is the best thing since invention of the wheel.
No one will be allowed to object.
And more importantly 2SD will never be allowed to piss into your boots again. A woman will become pope and hell will freeze over before 2SD buys a BMW :lol8:

In the meantime we can carry on discussing the R1200GSLC here on this thread - which at no time was restricted to owners of the bikes.
Without you and your BMW Gestapo telling us we are mere shit stirrers.
And without you treating other forum members like children who need your guidance and can't decide for themselves what's justified criticism or a valid question and what's brand bashing.

And we even allow people who own or rode a R1200GSLC to participate, we're not afraid of what they have to say.
As long as they don't say we must shut up!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Davew on August 19, 2013, 09:43:10 pm


I ride an LC.... I love the LC!!

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the bike don't even own one??? WTF???
[/quote]

+1  :ricky: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bundu on August 19, 2013, 09:49:18 pm
I really don't get it:

The topic of this thread reads:

PROBLEMS with the new LC.
Which means it's about problems of the new bike ne?

If you want to start a club of BMW R1200GSLC riders here on the forum feel free to ask the forum owners if you can have your own little corner accessible only for those who paid their R 179,000 entry fee. (Please attach proof of payment).
Then you will be able to pontificate about the German ‹ber - engineering of the R1200GSLC amongst yourselves and all your fellow club members will agree that the bike is the best thing since invention of the wheel.
No one will be allowed to object.
And more importantly 2SD will never be allowed to piss into your boots again. A woman will become pope and hell will freeze over before 2SD buys a BMW :lol8:

In the meantime we can carry on discussing the R1200GSLC here on this thread - which at no time was restricted to owners of the bikes.
Without you and your BMW Gestapo telling us we are mere shit stirrers.
And without you treating other forum members like children who need your guidance and can't decide for themselves what's justified criticism or a valid question and what's brand bashing.

And we even allow people who own or rode a R1200GSLC to participate, we're not afraid of what they have to say.
As long as they don't say we must shut up!

yes, yes, we know....but it hurts  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Obi -Wan on August 20, 2013, 07:58:39 am
I now have a new rule when I look at a thread - Join Date !  When I see wisdom being dispensed by somebody who joined this forum in June 2013 I tend not too take them too seriously.

And let's be honest, not many ( with the exception of GSing)  who forked out the money for an LC is going to criticise or question  the decision they made.

My own view is that BMW could not produce more power - remember that a 2006 1200 s produced in the order of 130 hp ( More than the new liquid cooled) - and still meet the Euro 4 emissions requirements . The older bikes can easily make the power - they cannot meet the new emissions requirements!

So BMW liquid cools the heads , greater thermal stability, allows a leaner burn combustion chamber and the bike passes Euro 4 requirements. I would be interested to know what Air Fuel ratio's the new LC is running.




 

   
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 20, 2013, 08:40:41 am
I really don't get it:

The topic of this thread reads:

PROBLEMS with the new LC.
Which means it's about problems of the new bike ne?

If you want to start a club of BMW R1200GSLC riders here on the forum feel free to ask the forum owners if you can have your own little corner accessible only for those who paid their R 179,000 entry fee. (Please attach proof of payment).
Then you will be able to pontificate about the German ‹ber - engineering of the R1200GSLC amongst yourselves and all your fellow club members will agree that the bike is the best thing since invention of the wheel.
No one will be allowed to object.
And more importantly 2SD will never be allowed to piss into your boots again. A woman will become pope and hell will freeze over before 2SD buys a BMW :lol8:

In the meantime we can carry on discussing the R1200GSLC here on this thread - which at no time was restricted to owners of the bikes.
Without you and your BMW Gestapo telling us we are mere shit stirrers.
And without you treating other forum members like children who need your guidance and can't decide for themselves what's justified criticism or a valid question and what's brand bashing.

And we even allow people who own or rode a R1200GSLC to participate, we're not afraid of what they have to say.
As long as they don't say we must shut up!

Sooo, this is all about hearsay and brand bashing then, and not discussing real problems, but perceived ones. In that case I am outa here!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 20, 2013, 08:50:35 am
I now have a new rule when I look at a thread - Join Date !  When I see wisdom being dispensed by somebody who joined this forum in June 2013 I tend not too take them too seriously.

And let's be honest, not many ( with the exception of GSing)  who forked out the money for an LC is going to criticise or question  the decision they made.

My own view is that BMW could not produce more power - remember that a 2006 1200 s produced in the order of 130 hp ( More than the new liquid cooled) - and still meet the Euro 4 emissions requirements . The older bikes can easily make the power - they cannot meet the new emissions requirements!

So BMW liquid cools the heads , greater thermal stability, allows a leaner burn combustion chamber and the bike passes Euro 4 requirements. I would be interested to know what Air Fuel ratio's the new LC is running.




 

   


Bliksem - that's when Germany still made the real boxer engines...!

When we did the Dyno testing in 2009/10, I seem to remember that only Heimer's bike (I think it was his) produced over 105hp (perhaps 108) - all the other bikes were seriaasly stuffed with ranges between 87 & 96hp - I even remember Jacko's HP2 only pumped out something like 78hp (he freaked) but it turned out to be a TPS issue  :biggrin:

I know that the one DOHC that we had there - was around 17:1 AF on the Dyno - but Julian agreed it was the setup and valve flap on the zorst that was involved and with more settings and testing - came down to around 14.7:1 AF

As you said - would be very very interesting to see what the LC does....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bikegeklap on August 20, 2013, 08:56:01 am
I now have a new rule when I look at a thread - Join Date !  When I see wisdom being dispensed by somebody who joined this forum in June 2013 I tend not too take them too seriously.

And let's be honest, not many ( with the exception of GSing)  who forked out the money for an LC is going to criticise or question  the decision they made.

My own view is that BMW could not produce more power - remember that a 2006 1200 s produced in the order of 130 hp ( More than the new liquid cooled) - and still meet the Euro 4 emissions requirements . The older bikes can easily make the power - they cannot meet the new emissions requirements!

So BMW liquid cools the heads , greater thermal stability, allows a leaner burn combustion chamber and the bike passes Euro 4 requirements. I would be interested to know what Air Fuel ratio's the new LC is running.




 

   

Not sure what part you did not understand ???
Would you like me to translate?

I agree with you "view" and you are right with regards to BHP and old engines.. BMW needed to take the engine to a new level that would allow them to get past that 130BHP. Hence the water-cooled.

For your information I had a GSA and my LC is on order....



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: monkeyboy on August 20, 2013, 09:27:19 am

Bliksem - that's when Germany still made the real boxer engines...!

When we did the Dyno testing in 2009/10, I seem to remember that only Heimer's bike (I think it was his) produced over 105hp (perhaps 108) - all the other bikes were seriaasly stuffed with ranges between 87 & 96hp - I even remember Jacko's HP2 only pumped out something like 78hp (he freaked) but it turned out to be a TPS issue  :biggrin:

Wait, whut? When was this? and what was the subsequent reading? I need answers!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on August 20, 2013, 09:42:23 am

Bliksem - that's when Germany still made the real boxer engines...!

When we did the Dyno testing in 2009/10, I seem to remember that only Heimer's bike (I think it was his) produced over 105hp (perhaps 108) - all the other bikes were seriaasly stuffed with ranges between 87 & 96hp - I even remember Jacko's HP2 only pumped out something like 78hp (he freaked) but it turned out to be a TPS issue  :biggrin:

Wait, whut? When was this? and what was the subsequent reading? I need answers!


Bwahaha - I have da readouts here somewhere...   


here you go - but I'm hijacking my own thread - so will delete them after tomorrow!!   :imaposer:


must be the slowest HP2 ever...........  76HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :imaposer: :imaposer:

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 20, 2013, 10:07:27 am
I have read about a road service company (plan B) in SA that just bought 225 Triumph Explorers.I think Holeshot is smiling as well as KMSA/Triumph! Now this is quite supprising as even the Metro was always just going with BMW.

My point: Have the done their homework and heard all about the 'LC challenges' or did they simply just get a better deal from Triumph? I think BMW has released the new model a little bit too soon as to compete with KTM's new model release. They are paying the price though, more and more 'potential customers' are turning their backs. I have spent 12500km in my Explorers seat and the only complaint was 'top heavy' feeling in slow technical riding and 'kak in sand' but that is probably not the bike but my 'lack in talent'.
BTW: 130 bhp from the old oil/air head? Yeh right!  :imaposer:

The LC was released way too soon and now owners are sitting with this issues, BM will sort it.....probably next year and they only way to get rid of the old 'shitty edition' will be to trade it at BMW on another BM
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on August 30, 2013, 01:27:00 pm
Sjoe, a lot of bashing from people who have not had actual issues or even a test drive.
I think a lot of simmilar threads can be found on the 1150 vs early 1200 when that was released. People are afraid of new stuff until the new stuff has become the norm. Like the wet clutch or liquid cooling in this case.

So has a thread been made where actual owners can vote whether they are happy with their LC purchase or not? It seems like Gsing the only unhappy one so far (rightly so).
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 30, 2013, 04:15:00 pm
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 30, 2013, 05:23:45 pm
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 

Quitter! ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on August 30, 2013, 08:12:03 pm
Well .... I'm going now for 6 weeks on Monday!!!! FFS!!! Still no parts to replace my clutch reservoir. Guys I'm loving this bike, but the backup is just a joke currently. I'm taking my problems to another dealer next week because the current guys are not coming to the party and been promised on a weekly base now that wait for this .........."Let see what we can do for you"
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 30, 2013, 08:44:36 pm
Pauli, there is an issue with part distro in Germany. They installed a new system and it caused groot booboo. I'm sorry you've gotten The One.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 31, 2013, 05:13:05 am
Well .... I'm going now for 6 weeks on Monday!!!! FFS!!! Still no parts to replace my clutch reservoir. Guys I'm loving this bike, but the backup is just a joke currently. I'm taking my problems to another dealer next week because the current guys are not coming to the party and been promised on a weekly base now that wait for this .........."Let see what we can do for you"

This is unacceptable! I hope you get sorted Pauli. Maybe elevate your problem to BMW SA
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: J-dog on August 31, 2013, 08:35:27 am
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 

Geez you okes are sensitive. This thread is a general discussion about real and perceived problems about the LC. And I think it has been informative. I've seen no brand bashing at all. Being critical or interested isn't brand bashing  :deal:

I have ridden both the LC and the 1190, and owned both a GSA and 990. I can tell you they are all excellent (but different) bikes.

If I was in the market for an LC, I would want to read the full discussion from owners, non-owners, bike experts like LeCap, test results, hearsay, and so on.  :3some:

And to leave WD because you got offended by a critical look at the LC, well..... I have no words.


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on August 31, 2013, 09:47:28 am
Please leave me out of this!

I don't want to buy a R1200GSLC and don't really feel like test riding one either I am not a tire kicker. I don't test ride a bike unless I either want to buy it or it's a customers bike and I want to check if everything's ok.

If  you've got any specific questions about how things work on your BMW please find me on the Suzuki DR & DRZ board. If you post something I don't like over there I'll delete it! :lol8:

I like Biker Jan's way of thinking: An astronomer have to own or at least visited a couple of stars and planets to be qualified? :evil6:
Title: Re: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: G Steyn on August 31, 2013, 12:34:50 pm
I've ridden the LC a while back, overall impression was incredibly positive.  Negative comment that I have is the flimsy screen irritated me.

I really liked the bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on August 31, 2013, 04:14:39 pm
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 

Geez you okes are sensitive. This thread is a general discussion about real and perceived problems about the LC. And I think it has been informative. I've seen no brand bashing at all. Being critical or interested isn't brand bashing  :deal:

I have ridden both the LC and the 1190, and owned both a GSA and 990. I can tell you they are all excellent (but different) bikes.

If I was in the market for an LC, I would want to read the full discussion from owners, non-owners, bike experts like LeCap, test results, hearsay, and so on.  :3some:

And to leave WD because you got offended by a critical look at the LC, well..... I have no words.




Good point ...... What is the purpose of criticism ........ Especially if you spend R170k on a bike??
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: buzzlightyear on August 31, 2013, 08:12:45 pm
Pauli, there is an issue with part distro in Germany. They installed a new system and it caused groot booboo. I'm sorry you've gotten The One.

'stru, http://mg.co.za/article/2013-08-28-bmw-owners-vent-anger-at-months-long-wait-for-spare-parts (http://mg.co.za/article/2013-08-28-bmw-owners-vent-anger-at-months-long-wait-for-spare-parts)

Maybe a sign of the bean counters trying too JIT parts availability and getting a formula a bit wrong in the system...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: COLES on September 01, 2013, 07:38:02 am

I collected a new Lc 1200 {986km} from our local BMW dealer yesterday and spent a good few hours ridding the bike in blustering wind {P E } I did approximately 40 km on tar and found the bike to be great even in the windy conditions
I did notice the bike to be a little heavy on gas but then the motor is still very tight

 on gravel the bike is a blast   the bike was ridden in RAIN mode TAR and Gravel       after a few KM on the gravel I  changed to Enduro  what a great ride   Radiators worry me a bit as our group spend most of our time on gravel roads but what the heck there is a two year warranty so what if there are a few snags

only thing now is to trade my 2012 Triple black 9845KM on a brand new GS 1200 LC

China,s this is the BIKE OF THE YEAR
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on September 01, 2013, 12:00:47 pm
Please leave me out of this!

I don't want to buy a R1200GSLC and don't really feel like test riding one either I am not a tire kicker. I don't test ride a bike unless I either want to buy it or it's a customers bike and I want to check if everything's ok.

If  you've got any specific questions about how things work on your BMW please find me on the Suzuki DR & DRZ board. If you post something I don't like over there I'll delete it! :lol8:

I like Biker Jan's way of thinking: An astronomer have to own or at least visited a couple of stars and planets to be qualified? :evil6:

No Lecap, you have it all wrong. Your way of thinking is arguaing with an intergalagtic traveller about conditions on far away stars, without you having left your house!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: pieman on September 01, 2013, 07:57:01 pm
Pauli, there is an issue with part distro in Germany. They installed a new system and it caused groot booboo. I'm sorry you've gotten The One.

Dink die is 'n kak storie. My (gewone) GS het verlede jaar die tyd sy ESA shock verloor. Rk's dieselfde storie gespin oor die "nuwe stelsel en dit maak probleme by uitvoer/invoer". Pauli, dit nie dalk die dealership daar naby jou nie?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on September 01, 2013, 09:20:44 pm
Jy dink verkeerd, lees bietjie die besigheidsblaaie. ;)

Hier is 'n voorbeeld:

http://enterpriselabeling.com/will-bmws-supply-chain-breakdown-damage-its-brand/

Maar: ek stem saam dat die spesifieke tak dalk OOK deel van die probleem is.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on September 04, 2013, 10:20:52 pm
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 

Geez you okes are sensitive. This thread is a general discussion about real and perceived problems about the LC. And I think it has been informative. I've seen no brand bashing at all. Being critical or interested isn't brand bashing  :deal:

I have ridden both the LC and the 1190, and owned both a GSA and 990. I can tell you they are all excellent (but different) bikes.

If I was in the market for an LC, I would want to read the full discussion from owners, non-owners, bike experts like LeCap, test results, hearsay, and so on.  :3some:

And to leave WD because you got offended by a critical look at the LC, well..... I have no words.





I agree 100% - I started the thread so that the information or perceived issues with the LC's can be highlighted and discussed......... Brand-bashing FFS.......... how the hell can I brand bash the BMW if I own one myself......... it's a goddamn bike ffs...... a piece of metal and plastic... a tool........ why are people so sensitive over the issues....?

........... next we're going to argue about who wears which underpants.......... Calvin Klein, Jockey   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Captain Zef on September 05, 2013, 01:56:39 pm
This is worse than 7 de Laan
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Brodes on September 12, 2013, 08:19:27 pm
I think you should start a thread m0lt3n. I have given up on Wilddogs for just this reason and moved on to another forum. This whole thread has actually very information from people with experience with the new LC.

I would really have liked a thread where the opinions aired were not based on brand bashing and trolling. 


Posted on the WD forum!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: SGB on September 12, 2013, 09:54:28 pm
All being said and done, I think the bottom line is that 5000 km later, most riders of the LC will be happy that they bought the right bike.  Some others may realize 5000 km later that they bought the wrong bike.  Given the fact that this is a complete new bike, sharing few components with the older version, BMW have not done too badly. 

I see the new shipment now comes standard "full house" with LED light and cruise control.  The next version has a built-in steering damper.  I cannot imagine that any full house fan would want anything more in a bike.   I would have liked a basic one with no wires and buttons, but I am ok with this one too.  It is a well thought out bike.  And riding it is not as lewensgevaarlik as some make out.... 8)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on September 12, 2013, 10:47:39 pm
Note how many guys posting actually have issues.

I am just saying. ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: SGB on September 13, 2013, 06:04:35 am
Most of those who have "issues" do not own or ride the bike.....  ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Davew on September 13, 2013, 06:21:01 am
Most of those who have "issues" do not own or ride the bike.....  ;)

Starting to think that myself...  :laughing4:
Sure, expect some duds, especially in new models of anything, but touch wood, my experience thus far has been all positive.
Loving the ride  :ricky:

A lot of this and similar threads reminds me of the nay Sayers going on about how the then new Defenders would never match up to the old series Landies, then again when the Discovery 3 was launched with a monocoque chassis. Guess what.... ? Both went on to become great marques in their own rights after a few early teething problems.  :deal:

Only gripe has been around the piss poor support on accessories from BMW, which seems to be improving.

So in fairness to the spirit of this thread Goose started, let's just say my experience is very much on the positive side of the equation

Cheers
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Obi -Wan on September 14, 2013, 09:07:26 am
So here we have a very experienced motorcyclist who gets thrown off as a result of a tankslapper whilst riding on Tar - Reg Gurnell on the economy run.

Given that this is not the first documented incident that there is something not quite right with the steering on this motorcycle this must surely raise concerns amongst you owners of the LC ?

Added to this is the fact that the 2014 models have had a major front end redesign including steering damper, revised esa and I believe major retooling took place to change front end components. Something not quite right?

Less factual is the reporting on the UK GSer site where owners are seeing trade-in offers of 8000 pounds on motorcycles that sold for 15000 pounds earlier this year. What do the BMW dealers know ? The Chinese made gearbox and clutch assembly are also starting to make their presence felt with one in 3 bikes requiring new pushrods, master cylinders and clutch parts.

As a long time BMW owner it is disheartening to read reports like this - It seems we now have to look for an older low mileage BMW and store it away for future use because the new ones just don't have it anymore.


 



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Offshore on September 14, 2013, 09:27:27 am
It really pisses me off that a Legendary Manufacturer like BMW does not do a recall or whatever to rectify the Situation. Their Indifference is beyond me. :dousing:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on September 14, 2013, 10:03:24 am
Obi-Wan you could not have said it better!

'Give that man a Bells'!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: SGB on September 14, 2013, 06:31:38 pm
As a long time BMW owner it is disheartening to read reports like this.

I agree with that part.  I am just wondering why and how it happens that we read all these horrible stories, but my bike and some others seem to behave OK?  Are the "issues" only manifesting on some bikes?  Is it the tyres?  Does it have to do with something the rider does?  In the meantime, I am still enjoying the ride.  Let's see what the future holds?  Would be nice to see some facts.  Most of what we have seen is perceptions or emotional comments.  Where did the designers go wrong?  ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on September 14, 2013, 06:59:00 pm
Has any LC rider experience a tank slapper or any instability issues? Please only reply based on your OWN experience, not hearsay or what you have read somewhere
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on September 14, 2013, 08:50:02 pm
Not once. If I take my hands off the bars at a certain speed a very slight wobble once or twice. Could not get her to do it again. Must say the old oil head did the same.

No clutch issues.

No water pump issues.

Nada.

Have 2200 km on clock.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on September 14, 2013, 09:18:14 pm
I have almost 3000 k's on the clock. Also no instability issues, feels more stable to me in sand than my previous 1200.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on September 15, 2013, 04:01:08 am
4500 km en die bike loop soos n droom , my 1190 staan vandat ek die LC gekoop het  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on September 15, 2013, 06:23:28 am
4500 km en die bike loop soos n droom , my 1190 staan vandat ek die LC gekoop het  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Paul
Is hy  (1190) dalk een van die dae te koop, .......ek kan jou afbetaal ?? :lol8: :lol8:

 Maar ek sal nie my GSA verkoop nie. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: FATO on September 15, 2013, 06:15:22 pm
4500 km en die bike loop soos n droom , my 1190 staan vandat ek die LC gekoop het  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Hoekom staan hy paulb?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on September 15, 2013, 08:12:08 pm
After 7 weeks my leaking clutch reservoir was replaced with another bikes, because BMW SA can't still... give us any eta on the replacement parts ordered due to there stock/system or want ever they call it problems. At lease I have a LC running again.

PS - I managed to get my hands on 2 sets of Karoo 3's, and will be fitting them tomorrow on the LC & 1190.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on September 16, 2013, 06:49:39 am
Has any LC rider experience a tank slapper or any instability issues? Please only reply based on your OWN experience, not hearsay or what you have read somewhere

9,500 km and nothing! I have a slight wobble at certain speeds when I let go of the handle-bar! It comes and goes, depending on front-tyre pressure etc. This wobble is a lot less than what I experienced on my S10!

Basically what I have found is that the bike does not want to be "man-handled". What I mean is, when you put to much weight on the front wheel or you "white-knuckle" the handle bars, the bike tends to wobble the front wheel a bit!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1ougat on September 16, 2013, 07:08:13 am
Most of those who have "issues" do not own or ride the bike.....  ;)

You could not have said it better ..... :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on September 16, 2013, 04:17:37 pm
From the above replies it is clear, the LC has very little instability problems. As far as I know it is only Pauli who had a wobble issue, which was proven to be tire related.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on September 16, 2013, 04:41:31 pm
4500 km en die bike loop soos n droom , my 1190 staan vandat ek die LC gekoop het  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Hoekom staan hy paulb?

Die GS ry baie lekkerder
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on September 16, 2013, 04:59:25 pm
The guys or reporters that have experienced tank slappers, are they heavy set or lighties sub 70kg guys? I am wondering if some people arent just to light...?





4500 km en die bike loop soos n droom , my 1190 staan vandat ek die LC gekoop het  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Hoekom staan hy paulb?

Die GS ry baie lekkerder

Wil jy nie meer uit brei nie? Hoe lekkerder? Voel hy ligter? Is die KTM te vinnig of te glad of te swaar? (min mense wat altwee besit...alle opinies nogal waardevol van hulle af dink ek)

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on September 29, 2013, 11:56:41 pm
Alrighty then,  after 11000km on the LC I will say a few words on my experience with the bike.  Keep in mind that I use it mostly for commuting and in total I have done about 300kms on good dirt roads.

Re the instability/head shake/slappers:
The only time I have felt anything vaguely related to this is when accelerating to high speed (170 to 200 km/h or there abouts).  The front feels a bit "light" with a slight weave to it.  This could quite possibly be related to the fact that I run the front tyre slightly lower than recommended (2.3 instead of 2.5).

Vibration:
I DO get some vibration from the engine/gear box when closing the throttle completely when travelling above 120km/h.  Discussed this with Zambesi and they assured me the vibration I feel is normal.  I still feel it is more than what I had on the 2011 GSA, but will take their word for it and at least this has been noted on the work card in case of future issues.

Clutch:
I have a slight catch in the clutch lever that comes and goes.  Nothing major, maybe 2 mm at the start/end of travel.  This results in 2 symptoms, both related I would think. 1. When riding with the clutch covered (2 fingers) in 6th, I sometimes feel the clutch kick out that last little "click". There is no noticeable effect on the gear box/engine when this happens. 2. When pulling away, that slight click can sometimes be felt as a split second delay between THINKING the clutch is engaging and it actually engaging.  This is very slight and in this case you CAN feel the little bump in power on pulling off.  The problem is very intermittent, maybe once a week. I commute every day so I can quite understand that the techies can't pick up the issue.  Again, at least it has been noted on the work card.

Other than this, the bike has been performing superbly. Again, please note this is a commuter bike with very little off road kilometers.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on October 01, 2013, 06:11:16 pm
Has any LC rider experience a tank slapper or any instability issues? Please only reply based on your OWN experience, not hearsay or what you have read somewhere

I've done 3000km in just over two months, of which 1200km has been dirt road of varying conditions.  I've jumped the bumps on the R355 (going towards Tankwa karoo) dirt road doing 140-160km/H, getting awesome air.  I've ridden in the Cederberg on dirt roads littered with potholes after heavy rains. I've raced through mountain passes on tar, taken it easy on bad stretches on gravel. I've ridden in thick sand, shallow sand, pebbles.  I've done river crossings.  All on the standard tyres, front deflated to 1.8bar and the rear on 2.0bar.

In all of these different conditions, I have not had any head shake issues, or any other issues for that matter.  The only thing I have noticed is that some of the plastics, that clip in rather than being screwed down, do rattle loose after a couple of hundred km on "sinkplaat" road.  Quick fix: moer them till they pop back in.

The standard conti tyres do loose grip here and there on the dirt roads, but nothing drastic.  A set of Mitas (once I can find them) will solve this.

This bike is really really easy to ride on gravel and in sand.... without switching off the ABS or TC (which will save your tyres a bit).  I pop it into Enduro mode, set it to one up with luggage (I weigh 95kg and I am 6'3") and the bike takes care of the rest.  In Enduro mode on gravel it stops when you want it to, it slides when you want it to, it wheels spins when you want it to.

My advice to people looking at this as their next bike: take it for a spin, if you like it buy it, if you don't like it, buy something else.  Don't let other people decide for you.  If you do buy it and you are going to do some gravel, get radiator protectors (my protectors already have a couple of marks on then from some flying stones) and also get a headlight protector.  Crash bars gives you some extra piece of mind, and also a place to mount spots.

This bike to me, is one of the most enjoyable bikes I have owned and I generally buy a new bike every year to 18 months.  Not trying to convince anybody... just saying.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Ganjora on October 01, 2013, 06:16:50 pm
please note this is a commuter bike

 :thumleft:
perfectly summed up.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on October 01, 2013, 06:23:48 pm
please note this is a commuter bike

 :thumleft:
perfectly summed up.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 01, 2013, 06:28:58 pm
Agree Slovac, just returned from doing the same route. What a blast :-) have gopro video of jumping the banks, crossing the rivers, riding over rocks, sand, potholes and everything else you mentioned.

The only issue I experienced was after a near miss with a grader on the R355 caused me to swerve through the freshly graded bank of dirt doing 130km/h. I panicked (have not ridden dirt in 15 years) closed the throttle and nearly lost the front. Luckily training and experience kicked in, loosened my grip on the handles, turned on the power and recovered.

Was still shaking when I got to Tankwa roadstall, but managed to keep my pants clean :-)

Absolutely love my LC!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on October 01, 2013, 08:55:59 pm
please note this is a commuter bike

 :thumleft:
perfectly summed up.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Pfffft ... you two ate a whole clown for breakfast???  ;)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 01, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
 :happy1:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on October 02, 2013, 07:50:18 am
please note this is a commuter bike

 :thumleft:
perfectly summed up.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Pfffft ... you two ate a whole clown for breakfast???  ;)
Not laughing at you Neels, laughing at Ganjora for thinking the bike can only do commuting.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: stan1975 on October 07, 2013, 06:21:25 pm
The only problem with new LC is I don't have one
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 18, 2013, 07:57:54 am

1- The clutch is fooked and drags gearbox clunks thro changes. (Needs a new updated Driveshaft)
2- rear pads are down to metal @ 3k
3- The rear drive gaitor is holed
4- The vario's don't fit because rear subframe is out of tolerance the dealers benhams told me to modify the vario's to fit as I was going to Austria 2 days after I got the vario's and so the vario's had the plastic brackets trimmed down (these unbolt so can be replaced) the dealer said they will sort out on return.



Thx Goose for starting this one. I am curious to hear from my fellow LC riders if anyone experienced any of these issues noted above. I have only done about 3000km of which 40% off tar. Dropped the bike once in sand and had two low speed falls in the overberg. My only issue was a "Check Engine Oil" warning that got sorted via software update. No other issues.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 18, 2013, 08:24:59 am
No problems whatsoever, have also done 3000 km's
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on October 18, 2013, 09:42:59 am
Mine had it's 10,000 service yesterday, no problems to report either! (Except the crappy metzeler tyres  :pot: )
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on November 14, 2013, 08:55:57 am
I dont understand why I look at this thread. It only makes me want to get into debt!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: kwassi on November 14, 2013, 02:08:20 pm
I dont understand why I look at this thread. It only makes me want to get into debt!

 :imaposer:

+1
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 pm
Maybe I can help get your minds focused:

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 14, 2013, 04:21:52 pm
Lord Moer, I see you also have an Ackrapovic, sounds good doesn't it!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 14, 2013, 04:26:04 pm
Indeed it does, I love the deep rumble when you slow down to a stop. It never fails to turn a few heads.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 14, 2013, 04:28:20 pm
And the sound it makes when you open the throttle, when delivering that beautiful :biggrin: torque
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on November 14, 2013, 05:45:20 pm

1- The clutch is fooked and drags gearbox clunks thro changes. (Needs a new updated Driveshaft)
2- rear pads are down to metal @ 3k
3- The rear drive gaitor is holed
4- The vario's don't fit because rear subframe is out of tolerance the dealers benhams told me to modify the vario's to fit as I was going to Austria 2 days after I got the vario's and so the vario's had the plastic brackets trimmed down (these unbolt so can be replaced) the dealer said they will sort out on return.



Thx Goose for starting this one. I am curious to hear from my fellow LC riders if anyone experienced any of these issues noted above. I have only done about 3000km of which 40% off tar. Dropped the bike once in sand and had two low speed falls in the overberg. My only issue was a "Check Engine Oil" warning that got sorted via software update. No other issues.

Anyone?

No clutch issues
Read pads still have some left at 7k
Nope
Nope, varios fit perfectly.

I'm moerse happy.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 16, 2013, 12:40:10 pm
My bike's battery is running down. Last night cheked, and the battery is flat again. Bike was definately switched off.

Any ideas what could cause this?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dcjet on November 16, 2013, 01:10:13 pm
Have you left anything plugged into the Aux power socket? I left an Iphone charger in the socket and even without the phone attached it drained the battery. Somewhere deep in the manual it mentions that the aux power socket will not power down if there is a current draw on it when you turn the ignition off.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 16, 2013, 01:22:39 pm
Nope, nothing was plugged in
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on November 17, 2013, 06:18:57 pm
On AdvRider there is talk of the GPS cradle causing battery low.

Did you use the GPS? Left it on the bike? Removed it just before switching the bike off?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on November 17, 2013, 07:09:00 pm
Don't think it's the BMW navigator bracket, they are connected to the BMW navigator plug, which runs on the CANBUS system with a 60 sec delay when the ignition is switched off.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on November 18, 2013, 09:45:36 am
Take battery out, charge fully with an ordinary workshop charger, disconnect from charger and let it simmer disconnected for at least 12 better 24 hours. Check voltage. If it's below 12.7V throw it away and buy a new one.

If the battery is fine good luck!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 18, 2013, 09:50:38 pm
Bike is going in on Wednesday for tests. Hopefully it is only the battery which failed for a strange reason >:( :( :o :'(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 19, 2013, 09:46:36 pm
My eerste problem



Speedo is stuck

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/paulbergh/GS/Image00032_zpsc56257bb.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/paulbergh/media/GS/Image00032_zpsc56257bb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 19, 2013, 09:56:27 pm
Jy moenie fotos neem as jy so vinnig ry nie, ten minste het jy bewys dat hy 190km/h gery het :-)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 19, 2013, 10:03:16 pm
Jy moenie fotos neem as jy so vinnig ry nie, ten minste het jy bewys dat hy 190km/h gery het :-)

en dit was in eerste rat , was te bang om 2de toe te gaan  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on November 20, 2013, 07:18:24 am
Daai spoed was seker by 'n mynskag af............................. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 20, 2013, 08:08:54 am
Jy moenie fotos neem as jy so vinnig ry nie, ten minste het jy bewys dat hy 190km/h gery het :-)

en dit was in eerste rat , was te bang om 2de toe te gaan  :thumleft: :thumleft:
EN teen zero revs..................................hel ek het nie geweet die LCs is so vinnig :eek7: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on November 20, 2013, 08:48:49 am
I remember my R1100GS always over reading but it never read 190 in first gear with the engine off, only some 15% ::)

The service technician will have to bleed the Canbus :D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 20, 2013, 09:05:32 am
Looking at the speed, I think he removed the Canbus for better performance  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 20, 2013, 09:08:00 am
Replaced the canbus with a freeflowbus :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 20, 2013, 11:39:23 am
Kan dit reg gemaak word , of moet die klokke vervang word ?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on November 20, 2013, 11:59:52 am
Kan dit reg gemaak word , of moet die klokke vervang word ?

Bel vir Callie, hy sal jou kan vertel!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 20, 2013, 01:59:42 pm
Kan dit reg gemaak word , of moet die klokke vervang word ?

Bel vir Callie, hy sal jou kan vertel!

Dankie , Callie sÍ die klokke moet vervang word , het met syne ook gebeur  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on November 20, 2013, 02:37:35 pm
Kan dit reg gemaak word , of moet die klokke vervang word ?

Bel vir Callie, hy sal jou kan vertel!

Dankie , Callie sÍ die klokke moet vervang word , het met syne ook gebeur  :thumleft:


 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 21, 2013, 01:37:27 pm
My bike's battery is running down. Last night cheked, and the battery is flat again. Bike was definately switched off.

Any ideas what could cause this?

Turned out that the battery was f!@#d, hopefully it is the correct diagnosis.

Bavarian treated me REALLY well, accommodated me at short notice, and replaced the battery free of charge under warranty.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: kwassi on November 21, 2013, 01:38:53 pm
Dis goed om te hoor.  Meestal nog net goeie goed van hulle gehoor.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 21, 2013, 04:02:45 pm
Het my LC by BMW gehad , hulle het die hart/long masjien op gekoppel maar kon nie die spoed af bring nie. Daar word nou n nuwe een bestel vanaf Duitsland ( onder waarborg)  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: kwassi on November 22, 2013, 07:41:49 am
 :laughing4:

En hoelank gaan dit vat?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 25, 2013, 03:25:31 pm
Bike is going in on Wednesday for tests. Hopefully it is only the battery which failed for a strange reason >:( :( :o :'(

Bike was tested on Wedneday for current draw off etc. New bettery fitted. Friday evening bike is dead again :'(

Zambesi cam eto fetch it this morning, busy again with tests :-\ Hopefully they get it fixed!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 28, 2013, 04:12:23 pm
Anyone had a challenge with the final drive boot? Mine cracked after 1500km's was replaced and now cracked again at 6000km's.

I am starting to see a pattern.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2013, 05:06:42 pm
Anyone had a challenge with the final drive boot? Mine cracked after 1500km's was replaced and now cracked again at 6000km's.

I am starting to see a pattern.

Not sure about LC, but those boots are buggers when not fitted properly.  My wife's 09 required a new boot just at it's 100 000km service.  It was replaced and that lasted only 2000km.  Seems the mechie slipped up on the fitting part. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 09, 2014, 12:30:37 pm
Bike is going in on Wednesday for tests. Hopefully it is only the battery which failed for a strange reason >:( :( :o :'(

Bike was tested on Wedneday for current draw off etc. New bettery fitted. Friday evening bike is dead again :'(

Zambesi cam eto fetch it this morning, busy again with tests :-\ Hopefully they get it fixed!

Receiving my new bike tomorrow, thanks Zambesi Motorrad!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: kwassi on January 09, 2014, 12:31:46 pm
Wonderlik
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 09, 2014, 12:33:10 pm
Uitstekend, jou storie en een of twee ander gee my vertroue in die handelsmerk en die handelaars. Lekker om te hoor daar word na jou omgesien. Ek is nou amper op 10000km en steeds geen haakplekke nie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 09, 2014, 12:53:19 pm
Ek moet se dat ek ook geen moeilikheid gehad het anders as die battery wat afloop nie. Ek het so 6 500 Km met  myne tot dusver afgele. My laaste trip met hierdie bike was Baviaanskloof. Die paaie tussen die parkeraad hek en Willowmore het my plek plek verlei om 200 km/h te ry, sonder dat ek enige onstabiliteit ervaar het!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 13, 2014, 09:05:38 am
Ek het die naweek so 500 Km's met die nuwe 1200 LC afgele. Die fiets voel baie anders, die steering damper veroorsaak natuurlik dat die steering nie meer so lig is nie, dit voel meer soos die oil cooled 1200. Ek dink nie dit het 'n groot invloed op my ryery sover nie, kan nie besluit of dit beter of slegter is nie, maar dit is anders.

Die koppelaar voel egter heeltemal anders, ek dink BMW het iets daaraan verander. Die koppelaar voel baie lig, en "smooth", definitief 'n verbetering in my mening.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: kwassi on January 13, 2014, 09:13:24 am
Gooi daar 'n foto van jou nuwe fiets
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 13, 2014, 09:40:57 am
Ek het die naweek so 500 Km's met die nuwe 1200 LC afgele. Die fiets voel baie anders, die steering damper veroorsaak natuurlik dat die steering nie meer so lig is nie, dit voel meer soos die oil cooled 1200. Ek dink nie dit het 'n groot invloed op my ryery sover nie, kan nie besluit of dit beter of slegter is nie, maar dit is anders.

Die koppelaar voel egter heeltemal anders, ek dink BMW het iets daaraan verander. Die koppelaar voel baie lig, en "smooth", definitief 'n verbetering in my mening.

Any chance the new bike is running 10W instead of 5W? That might affect how the gearbox feels.

Enjoy the new bike!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on January 13, 2014, 09:45:56 am
Enige Nuus al oor aflewerings datum op die LC Adv?

Het die Dealers al begin orders invat?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on January 13, 2014, 11:20:23 am
Enige Nuus al oor aflewerings datum op die LC Adv?

Het die Dealers al begin orders invat?

Is jy lus vir een Manic?, ek kry vanoggend n groep nuwe LC ADV op die N1 Noord.....blikskaters gaan iewers lekker speel terwyl ons werk
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on January 13, 2014, 12:02:13 pm
Enige Nuus al oor aflewerings datum op die LC Adv?

Het die Dealers al begin orders invat?

Is jy lus vir een Manic?, ek kry vanoggend n groep nuwe LC ADV op die N1 Noord.....blikskaters gaan iewers lekker speel terwyl ons werk

Ek altyd lus vir alles  :biggrin:

BMW nog al die tyd in my bloed, al n hele paar gehad :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on January 13, 2014, 10:19:14 pm
Ek het die naweek so 500 Km's met die nuwe 1200 LC afgele. Die fiets voel baie anders, die steering damper veroorsaak natuurlik dat die steering nie meer so lig is nie, dit voel meer soos die oil cooled 1200. Ek dink nie dit het 'n groot invloed op my ryery sover nie, kan nie besluit of dit beter of slegter is nie, maar dit is anders.

Die koppelaar voel egter heeltemal anders, ek dink BMW het iets daaraan verander. Die koppelaar voel baie lig, en "smooth", definitief 'n verbetering in my mening.

Any chance the new bike is running 10W instead of 5W? That might affect how the gearbox feels.

Enjoy the new bike!

My new, replacement 2014 gs also feels completely different clutch wise with 5W40 oil
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on January 13, 2014, 11:13:38 pm
Was also running in my new 2014 this weekend, BMW will not admit, but they have done a lot of work on this bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 14, 2014, 04:12:27 am
So is that three replacement bikes?
Title: Re: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on January 14, 2014, 05:20:22 am
Yup....hulle doen manic
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 14, 2014, 08:38:46 am
So is that three replacement bikes?

Four that I know of. Cruiserpal was also promised a replacement after his clutch issue.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GSing on January 14, 2014, 10:19:39 am
Mine wasn't a replacement, more a trade-in / upgrade deal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 14, 2014, 10:22:40 am
Mine wasn't a replacement, more a trade-in / upgrade deal.

Same here
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 14, 2014, 10:30:26 am
Mine wasn't a replacement, more a trade-in / upgrade deal.

Same here

OK so two out of four was trade-in/upgrade, now I wonder about the rest.

Also curious, you can add the steering damper to get to 2014 spec but what changed on the clutch/gearbox? Just thinking about trade-in value when I buy from another brand next, you never know  >:D

Or is the trend to replace your 2013 K50 with a 2014 K50 cause it's so much better  :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 14, 2014, 10:39:49 am
Mine wasn't a replacement, more a trade-in / upgrade deal.

Same here

OK so two out of four was trade-in/upgrade, now I wonder about the rest.

Also curious, you can add the steering damper to get to 2014 spec but what changed on the clutch/gearbox? Just thinking about trade-in value when I buy from another brand next, you never know  >:D

Or is the trend to replace your 2013 K50 with a 2014 K50 cause it's so much better  :pot:

I agree with GSing that BMW changed more to the bike with the 2014 model than just the steering damper. The whole bike feels different, the clutch is definitely improved, the gear changes are a lot smoother.

I am happy that I made the change, although I had to part with some moolah, I think it was worth while. I am still of the opinion that the 1013 LC is a good bike, and I had no trouble with the light steering.

It just feels as if the 2014 model is the same improvement on the 2013 model, as the 2013 model was over the oil cooled model.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 14, 2014, 10:53:35 am
It just feels as if the 2014 model is the same improvement on the 2013 model, as the 2013 model was over the oil cooled model.

I will have to go ride one for a day and experience this for myself. That's a big improvement with apparently very little change.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 14, 2014, 02:08:49 pm
Gooi daar 'n foto van jou nuwe fiets

'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on January 14, 2014, 03:54:53 pm
Baie mooi, en jy se die een het nou as standaard n steering damper op ne?
Wie se ateljee is daai....BMw ?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: luv2ride on January 14, 2014, 03:58:17 pm
Gooi daar 'n foto van jou nuwe fiets

'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.
Baie geluk tjom :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 14, 2014, 04:25:15 pm
Quote from: BikerJan
'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.

Enige kleur solank dit wit is!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Oshkosh on January 14, 2014, 04:32:57 pm
BJ What does that Akkro Sound Like?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 14, 2014, 04:47:35 pm
Yip, die 2014 kom standaard met steering damper uit, en daar is kosmetiese veranderinge aan die knoppies op die handles. Dit is Zambesi Motorrad se atteljee, bietjie over the top, maar nou ja.

Dankie Luv2ride, ons moet weer kuier op n stadium! Hoe gaan dit met die rug?

Wit is maar net die kleur vir my LKM

Oskosh, I love the sound of the Akro, much more aggressive and loud than the standard can.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 14, 2014, 04:51:53 pm
BJ What does that Akkro Sound Like?

Think how you sounded at 14 vs 18. Not so much louder but deeper :-)

I love the acro, sounds good, is lighter and due to the all Titatium design, cooler on the outside.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Oshkosh on January 15, 2014, 09:27:08 am
Yip, die 2014 kom standaard met steering damper uit, en daar is kosmetiese veranderinge aan die knoppies op die handles. Dit is Zambesi Motorrad se atteljee, bietjie over the top, maar nou ja.

Dankie Luv2ride, ons moet weer kuier op n stadium! Hoe gaan dit met die rug?

Wit is maar net die kleur vir my LKM

Oskosh, I love the sound of the Akro, much more aggressive and loud than the standard can.


Lekka Man, like the Twin outlets as I am sure it sounds different to the single outlet.  :thumleft:
I fitted this Akro to the Wifes RT with Twin Outlet, a major difference in sound to the Single as close to a V-Twin as you can get.
O an Enjoy the Scoot!  :ricky:
Will see what happens when the ADV arrives in March  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on January 15, 2014, 07:52:29 pm
Quote from: BikerJan
'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.

Enige kleur solank dit wit is!
Wel..... tegnies word wit opgemaak van al die kleure in die spektrum. So, beteken dit jy hou van al die kleure, of kan jy net nie jou mind op maak nie?   :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 15, 2014, 07:57:05 pm
My skelmpies is almal blond :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Goose on January 15, 2014, 08:12:42 pm
My skelmpies is almal blond :imaposer:


........ my innige simpatie   ???






 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on January 16, 2014, 07:10:04 am
Gooi daar 'n foto van jou nuwe fiets

'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.

They take a fake picture of your bike on the SilvensteinseebrŁcke when you collect it ??? :D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slovac on January 18, 2014, 09:18:07 pm
Gooi daar 'n foto van jou nuwe fiets

'n Foto van die nuwe baba, met al die bling van die vorige een op.

They take a fake picture of your bike on the SilvensteinseebrŁcke when you collect it ??? :D
Maybe they want the bike to feel at home... seeing that it is built 70km from where that photo was taken  ;D
I like it and I think more dealers should have photos of Germany up on the walls  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on January 19, 2014, 09:24:13 am
Arme ouens wat n paar maande terug die 2013 gekoop het, ek sou gehuil het as dit ek was, en ek moet nou hier lees hoe lekker die 2014 is  :'(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on January 19, 2014, 09:26:56 am
Nee wat. Van fine ouens wag die 2013 model gekoop het het nie issues gehad nie. Myne is awesome.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on January 19, 2014, 10:04:33 am
As ek net dink hoeveel ek op my Triumph Explorer verloor het na n jaar.

Dit lyk my regtig die 2014 model is nou 'sorted' en ja, ek sou beslis n dik lip gehad het n jaar later maar dan weet ons almal ook dat dit so gaan met meeste nuwe modelle. Maak nie saak hoe goed die fabriek hulle getoets het nie, eers wanneer jan publiek koop en ry kom die 'gremlins' na vore.

Al is die explorer en die super tenere nie die beste 1200's nie (hang ook maar af hoe jy hul judge) moet ek hul krediet gee. Daar was bitter min pyne, beperk tot 'sommige explorers' wat hoe spoed gesukkel het en danksy manic het ons toe agter gekom hul kort net progressive springs voor. Die super tenere het inteendeel geen kenmerkende 'issues' gehad nie - gee hul krediet

Moet ek egter vandag se, ek hou van die nuwe gs- nie net mooi maar lyk my die verrigting is tops asook die suspensie. Die eerste gs wat ek sou koop as die moola daar was. We'll gedaan bmw en dankie dat jul na die kliente geluiter het en die produk se foute uitgestryk het.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on January 19, 2014, 02:33:40 pm
Goeie post TVB.
Ek dink BMW push ook maar meer die limiet en daarom daar ook meer gremlins (so n stelling seker altyd debateerbaar) as van die ander.
Mens kan maar net hoop die japanese besluit om die adv mark ook ernstig te vat en regtig iets besonders uit te bring, tegnies kan hul klaar n voorsprong het omdat hul meer 'uniek' is.

Ek sou persoonlik gelike het om iets anders as die volopste opsie te ry as die ander opsies my boksies net soveel kon reg merk.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 02, 2014, 08:59:11 pm
Het my nuwe LC laasweek gaan kry. Amper 700 kilos op met Anakee III bande.

My ondervinding sover: Baie meer krag as my vorige 2010 GS.

Paar probleme egter: my footpeg het amper verloor agv die pen wat losgekom het- sidder om te dink wat sou gebeur het as ek nog op die grondpad gestaan en ry het en hy het losgekom?

Terwyl ek versnel geen probleme nie, maar die oomblik wat jy stadiger ry en die spoed gaan deur 140 km/h dan het die fiets snaakse vibrasie deur die footpegs en die sitplek. Dis net op 140 en net as jy die krag toemaak.

Moet verder sÍ ek dink my ou bike se clutch en ratkas was baie meer glad en beter.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on March 03, 2014, 09:51:17 am
Het my nuwe LC laasweek gaan kry. Amper 700 kilos op met Anakee III bande.

My ondervinding sover: Baie meer krag as my vorige 2010 GS.

Paar probleme egter: my footpeg het amper verloor agv die pen wat losgekom het- sidder om te dink wat sou gebeur het as ek nog op die grondpad gestaan en ry het en hy het losgekom?

Terwyl ek versnel geen probleme nie, maar die oomblik wat jy stadiger ry en die spoed gaan deur 140 km/h dan het die fiets snaakse vibrasie deur die footpegs en die sitplek. Dis net op 140 en net as jy die krag toemaak.

Moet verder sÍ ek dink my ou bike se clutch en ratkas was baie meer glad en beter.

Gee hulle sommer n uitkak oor daai footpeg, die fiets was nie ordentlik ge pda nie! Nee doner man jy kon seer gekry het!

Daai vibrasie hoop ek nie is afkomstig van die drive shaft nie, het elders daarvan gekees en dat die ou bekommerd was dat dit dalk final drive stories is, ek hoop nie so nie. Log alles onmiDdelik met bmw dat hul weet en nie later kan se 'sorry nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 09:57:40 am
Het my nuwe LC laasweek gaan kry. Amper 700 kilos op met Anakee III bande.

My ondervinding sover: Baie meer krag as my vorige 2010 GS.

Paar probleme egter: my footpeg het amper verloor agv die pen wat losgekom het- sidder om te dink wat sou gebeur het as ek nog op die grondpad gestaan en ry het en hy het losgekom?

Terwyl ek versnel geen probleme nie, maar die oomblik wat jy stadiger ry en die spoed gaan deur 140 km/h dan het die fiets snaakse vibrasie deur die footpegs en die sitplek. Dis net op 140 en net as jy die krag toemaak.

Moet verder sÍ ek dink my ou bike se clutch en ratkas was baie meer glad en beter.

Gee hulle sommer n uitkak oor daai footpeg, die fiets was nie ordentlik ge pda nie! Nee doner man jy kon seer gekry het!

Daai vibrasie hoop ek nie is afkomstig van die drive shaft nie, het elders daarvan gekees en dat die ou bekommerd was dat dit dalk final drive stories is, ek hoop nie so nie. Log alles onmiDdelik met bmw dat hul weet en nie later kan se 'sorry nie

Ek het hulle reeds vanoggend 8 uur gebel. Footpeg sal reggemaak word.

Oor die vibrasie- dalk gaan dit weg met 1000 km diens- ons sal maar moet wag en kyk se hulle. As dit na die 1000 diens steeds daar is sal dit verdere aandag kry en opgelos word.

Clutch en ratkas is maar nog "styf" en sal ook na diens beter wees, sÍ hulle.

Sal maar moet wag en kyk. Die 1000 diens is blykbaar 'n smeerdiens en behoort baie dinge te verander blykbaar.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on March 03, 2014, 10:01:35 am
Dit mag wees, kom ons hoop so!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on March 03, 2014, 10:03:13 am
My GS LC maak ook so en ek het nou al 13000 km op.
Ek dink die bike het ook n "slipper clutch" soos die 1600GT en die maak ook so.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 10:17:19 am
My GS LC maak ook so en ek het nou al 13000 km op.
Ek dink die bike het ook n "slipper clutch" soos die 1600GT en die maak ook so.

Verduidelik meer asb Paul. Jou bike maak ook hoe?

Wat van die slipper clutch en wat is die gevolge daarvan?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on March 03, 2014, 10:23:14 am
My GS LC maak ook so en ek het nou al 13000 km op.
Ek dink die bike het ook n "slipper clutch" soos die 1600GT en die maak ook so.

Verduidelik meer asb Paul. Jou bike maak ook hoe?

Wat van die slipper clutch en wat is die gevolge daarvan?

Dis wat ek ook wil weet, is die vvibrasie ook daar as jy throttle toemaak ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 10:25:10 am
My GS LC maak ook so en ek het nou al 13000 km op.
Ek dink die bike het ook n "slipper clutch" soos die 1600GT en die maak ook so.

Verduidelik meer asb Paul. Jou bike maak ook hoe?

Wat van die slipper clutch en wat is die gevolge daarvan?

Dis wat ek ook wil weet, is die vvibrasie ook daar as jy throttle toemaak ???

Vibrasie is net daar as jou spoed afkom en jy deur 140 gaan tot so by 130 skat ek. Ja, die throttle is dan toe.

As throttle oop is en jy laat waai, is daar niks deur 140 nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on March 03, 2014, 10:40:59 am
Die slipper clutch werk net wanneer jy teen compression beweeg ( om te keer dat die agterwiel nie lock as jy die throttle toe maak nie).

Ek kry presies dieselfde vibrasie op my K1600GT as ek die throttle toe maak , dit gebeur teen n sekere RPM en nie spoed nie ( hang af van in watter rat jy is)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 10:45:54 am
Die slipper clutch werk net wanneer jy teen compression beweeg ( om te keer dat die agterwiel nie lock as jy die throttle toe maak nie).

Ek kry presies dieselfde vibrasie op my K1600GT as ek die throttle toe maak , dit gebeur teen n sekere RPM en nie spoed nie ( hang af van in watter rat jy is)

Dit kan sin maak. Omdat ek onder 4000 revs moes probeer bly, was ek elke keer in 6de as ek oor 120km/h gery het.

Nou dat ek daaraan dink, kan dit dalk op sekere revs wees.

Ek het gister gevoel toe ek my vrou opgehad het oppad Kaapsehoop toe was dit baie erger as wat ek alleen gery het. Maar sy het gekla daaroor na die tyd en gese dit voel nie baie lekker nie en voel eintlik "gevaarlik".
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 03, 2014, 10:52:06 am
Die vibrasie wat ek op my 2013 gevoel het was nooit so erg dat dit gevaarlik gevoel het nie! Op my 2014 model is die vibrasies minder, en voel ek dit skaars, net as ek daarvoor oplet en dan duer die foot pegs?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 10:57:32 am
My vrou se sy het dit deur die sitplek gevoel, en ook deur die grabhandles op die pillion seat. Sy het dit ook op die footpegs gevoel.

Ek se nie dit was gevaarlik nie, maar dit het haar ietwat bang gemaak, en ek dink nie dis okay vir ' n splinternuwe fiets nie.

BMW gaan sukkel om my te oortuig dis normaal...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 03, 2014, 11:06:57 am
Is nie OK nie. Nie een van myne het dit gedoen nie!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: SGB on March 03, 2014, 11:11:36 am
Sit knobblies op dan gaan dit weg.....  :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 11:24:18 am
Myne het nou al 800 km op...ek soek weer 'n nuwe ene man 😄
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 03, 2014, 12:15:49 pm
Myne het nou al 800 km op...ek soek weer 'n nuwe ene man 😄

974km, pas ingeboek vir 1000km diens 😄
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 03, 2014, 12:30:17 pm
Myne het 2 200 K's op, waar het jy agter geraak LKM?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 03, 2014, 12:37:01 pm
Hospitaal gewees met 'n dwarstrekkerige blindederm, het nog net twee Sondae gery maar sal opmaak :-)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on March 03, 2014, 03:21:49 pm
Sit knobblies op dan gaan dit weg.....  :)

Manne, hou op wonder. SGB het die korrekte antwoord hier gegee. Met Karoo 3's is daai vibrasie nie meer daar nie.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 03:28:17 pm
Is dit ernstig dat daar dan probleme is met die Anakee III wat die vibrasie veroorsaak, of nie?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on March 03, 2014, 03:49:31 pm
Is dit ernstig dat daar dan probleme is met die Anakee III wat die vibrasie veroorsaak, of nie?

Vra vir GSing
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 03, 2014, 04:04:12 pm
Is dit ernstig dat daar dan probleme is met die Anakee III wat die vibrasie veroorsaak, of nie?

Ek het 3500km met Anakee III's gedoen sonder enige vibrasie. Die Metzeler Tourance Next was die probleem band.

Stem egter saam, die Karoo III is my eerste keuse ook.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Upgrade on March 03, 2014, 06:20:48 pm
Dalk kan julle manne my help. Is dit moontlik dat die olie in die enjin vir die eerste 1000 km verskil van die castrol racing olie wat voorgeskryf word vir die fiets. Is dit nie dalk hoekom bmw dit 'n smerings diens noem, en alles gladder behoort te wees na die diens nie?

Wonder maar net. My fiets was aanvanklik baie styf en raak nou beter. Bmw se hy sal baie beter wees na die 1000 diens.

Baie van julle is mos al by die diens verby.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 07:51:46 pm
Het met Pauli gesels - ons reken dat die 1000 diens en 'n stel nuwe TKC's die verskil gaan maak. Dit sal dan so wees...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on March 03, 2014, 08:58:35 pm
Dalk kan julle manne my help. Is dit moontlik dat die olie in die enjin vir die eerste 1000 km verskil van die castrol racing olie wat voorgeskryf word vir die fiets. Is dit nie dalk hoekom bmw dit 'n smerings diens noem, en alles gladder behoort te wees na die diens nie?

Wonder maar net. My fiets was aanvanklik baie styf en raak nou beter. Bmw se hy sal baie beter wees na die 1000 diens.

Baie van julle is mos al by die diens verby.

Die inloop olie verskil wel van die super dun castrol racing
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on March 03, 2014, 09:45:03 pm
Jou bike is regtig stunning, het die foto gesien en ek hoop regtig die k@k is uithgesorteer na die eerste diens. Om egter onmiddelik bande te ruil is bul, moenie my verkeerd verstaan maar n stel bande kos R3'k en as n mens bande moet vervang na die eerste diens om die bike beter te laat ry.....nee dan sal ek warm om die boordjie wees
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 03, 2014, 10:05:38 pm
Thanks TVB. Ons kyk maar eers - dalk los die die diens als op sonder om bande te hoef ruil. Ek hoop ook maar so. Sal laat weet...👍
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on March 04, 2014, 06:18:14 am
Die manne trek jou been oor die knobblies , die knobblies vibreer vanself so baie dat jy nie die die ander vibrasie gaan voel nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: >Herman< on March 04, 2014, 04:54:48 pm
Die manne trek jou been oor die knobblies , die knobblies vibreer vanself so baie dat jy nie die die ander vibrasie gaan voel nie.

 :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DaveT on March 11, 2014, 10:03:57 pm
Ek het op 3000km 'n olielek gehad wat my regter boot bemors het.

Was op 'n trip PE toe. PE bmw kon nie die fout kry nie. Teruggery en olievlak dopgehou. Die olie is so dun as dit warm is dat dit verskriklik erg lyk as daar 'n bietjie uitlek. Terug in S/Wes het Donford die bike gehad en ontdek die bout in die silinder agter die starter was heeltemal los. Vasgedraai en ek is weg.

Nou op 7000km weer die oliemors gehad. Terug Donfords toe. Bout weer vasgedraai. Hierdie keer die starter afgehaal en die bout getorque. Sal sien of dit hou.

Blykbaar is dit nie die eerste bike wat dit gedoen het nie.

Enigiemand hier wat dit ervaar het?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on March 11, 2014, 10:31:57 pm
Selfde bout op myne. Blykbaar haal hulle daai bout van 'n Triumph af en sny die kop Torx voor hulle hom in die K50 inbout. Nee seriously myne was moer los ( pun intended)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zacapa on March 11, 2014, 11:09:29 pm
Aeish! - 16 pages of freds for a bike that has been on the market for 8 months. That's only 2 pages per month together with idle chatter from the WWCoWD (World Wide Community of Wild Dogs) that the R1200GS LC has given reason to be talked about. Seems like negligible statistics compared to the Ukrainian crisis at the moment.

Now I never aspire for new technology because it usually turns out shittier than the generations or two of the bikes that preceded it. Sometimes it works out good though.
Hoping that BMW learn a thing or two about keeping their potential customers interested in the marque and do their homework. For now I am happy to keep on residing in NC700X, XR650L, '85 R80 and 1981 G/S heaven.

Whats top speed? Will it pull easy wheelies in third at 150 without switching the PC off? Do you need a dongle for the bike or can you just ride the shit out of it and 5 years later it screams to you Give Me More?
Time will tell........
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on March 12, 2014, 07:22:32 am
Zacapa, Most if this thread is made up of comments exactly like yours. Thanks for the positive contribution to this thread!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 12, 2014, 07:40:09 am
Zacapa, Most if this thread is made up of comments exactly like yours. Thanks for the positive contribution to this thread!

:thumleft:

There's about 1-2 pages about the K50 and the rest is....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 12, 2014, 07:42:59 am
The oil leak is a new one for me, I regularly chat to a number of K50 owners and never seen or heard that one. Will keep a lookout though, thx for sharing.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on March 12, 2014, 08:49:45 am
Zacapa, Most if this thread is made up of comments exactly like yours. Thanks for the positive contribution to this thread!

:thumleft:

There's about 1-2 pages about the K50 and the rest is....

Ja four vark steaks! As ek 'n probleem soek gaan dit my moerse lank vat want almal is frokkin tegnofobies en ry seker nog frokkin VW kewers want hulle wil net nie frokkin tegnologie in hulle huise hÍ nie.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on June 04, 2014, 05:07:56 am
Daardie vibrasie wat julle van praat, is dit met julle bene oop of toe?

Ek kry geen vibrasie nie, net n bewerasie as ek afgeklim het!!!







En n horing
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on June 04, 2014, 06:28:17 am
Wheels are softer than previous generation.

My vibration on the handlebars disappeared when I replaced my damaged wheel. She's smooth as new.

Left hand switchgear in process of getting sticky.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on June 04, 2014, 06:49:33 am
I had those vibrations when speed came down through 140-130. After the 1000 service it is gone. Don't know, but must have been a smearing problem?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on June 19, 2014, 05:55:32 am
2013 K50 left hand switchgear stuck. Replaced under warrantee, no questions asked. I was even dropped off at home by dealership, although no muffins were supplied. Symptoms were stuck info/trip rocker switch. Symptoms appeared around 17,000 km and was minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on June 26, 2014, 09:56:58 pm
This started yesterday:

When the bike is turned off, the speed needle goes way past 0 (+- same distance as 20km/h mark to the right of 0).  Of course, my speedo now shows 20-30km/h slower than I'm actually travelling.  Will take it in to Zambesi net week and let you all know the outcome.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on June 26, 2014, 10:22:41 pm
This started yesterday:

When the bike is turned off, the speed needle goes way past 0 (+- same distance as 20km/h mark to the right of 0).  Of course, my speedo now shows 20-30km/h slower than I'm actually travelling.  Will take it in to Zambesi net week and let you all know the outcome.

Try not to roll backwards so fast...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on June 26, 2014, 10:37:11 pm
Try not to roll backwards so fast...

Baaaa!! How else can I make KTMs look good??
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on June 27, 2014, 04:34:10 pm
This started yesterday:

When the bike is turned off, the speed needle goes way past 0 (+- same distance as 20km/h mark to the right of 0).  Of course, my speedo now shows 20-30km/h slower than I'm actually travelling.  Will take it in to Zambesi net week and let you all know the outcome.

Similar but not the same issue reported on AdvRider, seems to be rare. Good luck. Probably means a new instrument cluster.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on June 27, 2014, 04:45:12 pm
I also lodged a claim under warranty for a new windscreen. Was told by the dealer here in Nelspruit that BMW had apparently redeveloped the brackets for the screen and that they are now bigger than the stock ones.  We don't know however when these new brackets will be at hand though. Have you guys maybe heard anything about this?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on June 29, 2014, 03:02:13 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 29, 2014, 03:41:22 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Daai laaste een gaan vir my werk! My sleutel is ewig iewers in 'n sak nadat ek klaar pletterpet en handskoene aan het :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on June 29, 2014, 03:44:00 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Daai laaste een gaan vir my werk! My sleutel is ewig iewers in 'n sak nadat ek klaar pletterpet en handskoene aan het :peepwall:

O ja, ek is ook mal oor die idee. Ongelukkig gaan mens die sleutel nog nodig he vir die fuel tank :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on June 29, 2014, 04:53:14 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Daai laaste een gaan vir my werk! My sleutel is ewig iewers in 'n sak nadat ek klaar pletterpet en handskoene aan het :peepwall:

Ek het dieselfde probleem, varken frustrerend. My vrou gaan my bliksem as ek my derde lc nou koop!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 29, 2014, 08:07:44 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Daai laaste een gaan vir my werk! My sleutel is ewig iewers in 'n sak nadat ek klaar pletterpet en handskoene aan het :peepwall:

Ek het dieselfde probleem, varken frustrerend. My vrou gaan my bliksem as ek my derde lc nou koop!

Koop dieselfde kleur, sÍ niks!

Ek sal daardie dag met groot blydskap aankondig dat ek 'n bike valet gekry het wat weet hoe om 'n fiets te was. Sal haar roep om die 'nuwe' fiets te kyk en baie tevrede aankondig dat ek enige tyd weer soveel sal betaal vir sulke deeglike werk :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on June 29, 2014, 09:07:56 pm
 :imaposer:  dit klink na n plan!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on June 30, 2014, 02:23:25 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Daai laaste een gaan vir my werk! My sleutel is ewig iewers in 'n sak nadat ek klaar pletterpet en handskoene aan het :peepwall:

Ek het dieselfde probleem, varken frustrerend. My vrou gaan my bliksem as ek my derde lc nou koop!

Koop dieselfde kleur, sÍ niks!

Ek sal daardie dag met groot blydskap aankondig dat ek 'n bike valet gekry het wat weet hoe om 'n fiets te was. Sal haar roep om die 'nuwe' fiets te kyk en baie tevrede aankondig dat ek enige tyd weer soveel sal betaal vir sulke deeglike werk :imaposer:

Sal dalk vir jou werk.  Myne weet te veel!   :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1190 on June 30, 2014, 07:35:19 pm
I used the "just lending the bike" trick but it only worked once. Your plan sounds like a good idea only problem is the white has been discontinued :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: FJR on July 01, 2014, 02:34:24 pm
New GS from September Changes

Colour changes

Out Alpine White  and Grey

In Black think it might be midnight black and blue might be same blue as on new R1000 naked  red still available.

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

Weet jy of dit op die GSA ook van toepassing gaan wees?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 01, 2014, 02:56:28 pm

Also gear assist fitted at factory and keyless ignition

By the time I buy one it will be over R200k!   :xxbah:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Beebop on July 01, 2014, 03:00:53 pm
Well if I read the past 17 pages, I can only conclude that the biggest problem with the new LC, is the fact that
I dont have one parked in my garage. Donations welcome.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 02, 2014, 03:30:07 pm
Well if I read the past 17 pages, I can only conclude that the biggest problem with the new LC, is the fact that
I dont have one parked in my garage. Donations welcome.

Feel the same.....brilliant bike
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on July 15, 2014, 08:13:47 am
This started yesterday:

When the bike is turned off, the speed needle goes way past 0 (+- same distance as 20km/h mark to the right of 0).  Of course, my speedo now shows 20-30km/h slower than I'm actually travelling.  Will take it in to Zambesi net week and let you all know the outcome.

Apologies for the late update.  Still waiting for a new instrument cluster to be shipped from Deutschland.  Cost ... +- 30k .... luckily still under warranty :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Cobus G on July 16, 2014, 11:40:56 am
Not sure if this qualifies as a problem, or newby error, so please assist. I have found on several occasions under hard acceleration that the bike seems to "find another neutral" between 5th and 6th gear? The bike will not change over and the revs will then obvious climb skyhigh until I re-engage. Is this a setting issue, or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on July 16, 2014, 11:53:44 am
Maybe adjust your gear lever a bit lower or higher to engage better in accordance with your boot
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on July 16, 2014, 11:56:48 am
Not sure if this qualifies as a problem, or newby error, so please assist. I have found on several occasions under hard acceleration that the bike seems to "find another neutral" between 5th and 6th gear? The bike will not change over and the revs will then obvious climb skyhigh until I re-engage. Is this a setting issue, or am I doing something wrong?

Make sure your foot is completely off the lever before changing again.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 16, 2014, 12:05:56 pm
Not sure if this qualifies as a problem, or newby error, so please assist. I have found on several occasions under hard acceleration that the bike seems to "find another neutral" between 5th and 6th gear? The bike will not change over and the revs will then obvious climb skyhigh until I re-engage. Is this a setting issue, or am I doing something wrong?

Definitely not a problem on either of my LC's although the 2014 box is better. Sometimes happened on my old GSA between 4 and 5, but then that gearbox was very clunky and imprecise.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bikegeklap on July 16, 2014, 02:07:23 pm
Not sure if this qualifies as a problem, or newby error, so please assist. I have found on several occasions under hard acceleration that the bike seems to "find another neutral" between 5th and 6th gear? The bike will not change over and the revs will then obvious climb skyhigh until I re-engage. Is this a setting issue, or am I doing something wrong?

I have the exact same problem.. I gave it a mention when I took the bike in for the 600 Mile service.. The BMW mannie took it for a ride and he came back with "nothing wrong"  ???
The diagnostic was to not drop the clutch (Short Shift) too quickly.. hold the foot slightly longer when changing from 5th to 6th and keep pressure for a wee while longer..  you will probably find the gear change not being so quickly but sure get rid of the problem..  :ricky:

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on July 16, 2014, 02:27:26 pm
I've never experienced this on either my 2013 or 2014 bikes.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 16, 2014, 03:27:01 pm
Of course we do change gears differently so a problem one person pics up might never bother another. I would however try and ride another one to see if this is a problem on yours only.

I have to say if you need to quick shift between 5 and 6 you must be riding really hard.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 17, 2014, 08:40:16 am
Of course we do change gears differently so a problem one person pics up might never bother another. I would however try and ride another one to see if this is a problem on yours only.

I have to say if you need to quick shift between 5 and 6 you must be riding really hard.

Trust me to find false neutrals in any box  :imaposer: It is becausee of an old accident and ankle fracture. Not always change positive enough which result in false neutrals
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bikegeklap on July 17, 2014, 01:39:43 pm
Of course we do change gears differently so a problem one person pics up might never bother another. I would however try and ride another one to see if this is a problem on yours only.

I have to say if you need to quick shift between 5 and 6 you must be riding really hard.

Trust me to find false neutrals in any box  :imaposer: It is becausee of an old accident and ankle fracture. Not always change positive enough which result in false neutrals

not really that hard.. but I find it happens every time when moving in behind a car (do 96-100 km/h), tap down to 5th and "Gee Gas" for the over take.. just past the car and one wants to knock it in to 6th and that is when I miss the gear..

That is what I love about the bike because it does accelerate like hell..   Love it ... Love it ... Love it !!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 17, 2014, 03:48:03 pm
At 100 you need to drop a gear?   Where did all that much vaunted roll-on power disappear to?   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on July 17, 2014, 08:59:03 pm
Received an email this afternoon, recall on the gearbox seal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Cobus G on July 21, 2014, 10:40:55 am
Of course we do change gears differently so a problem one person pics up might never bother another. I would however try and ride another one to see if this is a problem on yours only.

I have to say if you need to quick shift between 5 and 6 you must be riding really hard.

THIS is exactly when it happens Gryshond....when I am just cruising its fine...but when I tend to climb on the throttle and run through the gears it finds this "false neutral".

Thanx for all the advice gents, I will do some adjustments and see if this is driver error.. :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 21, 2014, 11:03:12 am


Thanx for all the advice gents, I will do some adjustments and see if this is driver error.. :ricky:

Jip.  Sounds like rider error.  I got that on a DL1000 and 1200GS (SOHC) whenever I got a tad over exuberant.   
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on July 30, 2014, 09:57:33 am
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: lecap on July 30, 2014, 10:19:46 am
Received an email this afternoon, recall on the gearbox seal.

Does the "R" in R1200GS stand for "Recall" ???

I remember in the Renault R5 it represented the rust. :evil6:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BLK on July 30, 2014, 10:28:31 am
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

A friend of mine took delivery of his adv a couple of weeks ago.I believe the gearbox has failed and the bike is at the dealer.I have not spoken to the guy myself as it has just happened.Have no further details yet to report.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 30, 2014, 04:21:42 pm
I was also defending the bike simply because I believe in German technology and because the GS was the benchmark for over 30 years. What I read here and on other adv forums abroad makes me however sad because there is indeniably a couple of nasty problems. What if this gearbox problem happened at real high speed touring with you wife on the back? I can't believe that BMW screwed up on this one and one just wonders if they raced the launch to compete and have the edge over the ktm1200. At this stage I will not consider the lc if in the marked for a 1200. Finally the S10 and Explorer makes more sense
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on July 30, 2014, 07:59:19 pm
I was also defending the bike simply because I believe in German technology and because the GS was the benchmark for over 30 years. What I read here and on other adv forums abroad makes me however sad because there is indeniably a couple of nasty problems. What if this gearbox problem happened at real high speed touring with you wife on the back? I can't believe that BMW screwed up on this one and one just wonders if they raced the launch to compete and have the edge over the ktm1200. At this stage I will not consider the lc if in the marked for a 1200. Finally the S10 and Explorer makes more sense

Why not then consider the Proven ... Pre 2013  BMW GS or Adv ?? You get very good value and Accesories  ....... .?? IMHO far better than the S10 or Triumph.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 30, 2014, 08:43:43 pm
I was also defending the bike simply because I believe in German technology and because the GS was the benchmark for over 30 years. What I read here and on other adv forums abroad makes me however sad because there is indeniably a couple of nasty problems. What if this gearbox problem happened at real high speed touring with you wife on the back? I can't believe that BMW screwed up on this one and one just wonders if they raced the launch to compete and have the edge over the ktm1200. At this stage I will not consider the lc if in the marked for a 1200. Finally the S10 and Explorer makes more sense

I rest my case,

Wil nou nie brand bashing doen nie en weet ek gaan baie negatiewe reply's kry,

Maar dit is hoekom ek nie eers kyk na die LC nie, gaan search maar die net daar is net te veel isues met die bike, ek glo nie daar was al ooit 'n bike met so baie nie,

Hy is vir my seker die mooiste op die pad, maar ek wil hom nie hÍ nie,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on July 30, 2014, 08:53:05 pm
I was also defending the bike simply because I believe in German technology and because the GS was the benchmark for over 30 years. What I read here and on other adv forums abroad makes me however sad because there is indeniably a couple of nasty problems. What if this gearbox problem happened at real high speed touring with you wife on the back? I can't believe that BMW screwed up on this one and one just wonders if they raced the launch to compete and have the edge over the ktm1200. At this stage I will not consider the lc if in the marked for a 1200. Finally the S10 and Explorer makes more sense

I rest my case,

Wil nou nie brand bashing doen nie en weet ek gaan baie negatiewe reply's kry,

Maar dit is hoekom ek nie eers kyk na die LC nie, gaan search maar die net daar is net te veel isues met die bike, ek glo nie daar was al ooit 'n bike met so baie nie,

Hy is vir my seker die mooiste op die pad, maar ek wil hom nie hÍ nie,

Agree 100 persent and although the 1200 oilhead was a great bike it's no longer available new. So my choice will be between the Explorer or S10 which are both great bikes. The only issue I had with my Explorer was 'top heavy' and very kak OEM accesories like the panniers which they nowdays just give away on a new deal.

I have read that sales of the S10 is slowly but surely crawling up and I see more by the month on the road. Definately worth a second look.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: knightrat on July 30, 2014, 09:12:53 pm
Anyone heard of a LC with an abnormally noisy RH pot? Mate at works LC apparently is having its RH cam replaced to sort the noise?  ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on July 31, 2014, 07:01:17 am
I was also defending the bike simply because I believe in German technology and because the GS was the benchmark for over 30 years. What I read here and on other adv forums abroad makes me however sad because there is indeniably a couple of nasty problems. What if this gearbox problem happened at real high speed touring with you wife on the back? I can't believe that BMW screwed up on this one and one just wonders if they raced the launch to compete and have the edge over the ktm1200. At this stage I will not consider the lc if in the marked for a 1200. Finally the S10 and Explorer makes more sense

This is exactly the problem that I have! I will never trust the bike again! I will never be comfortable on the bike again!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Voz on August 04, 2014, 02:14:36 pm
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

Hi, first time poster here. I own a Dec 12 build 13GSW with just under 10,000 klm. Yesterday my gearbox failed and the rear locked up. Nothing dangerous, was just coming to a stop. The riding prior was in a group of 150 bikes on a sedate memorial ride for one of our members who recently passed away.

Towed to the workshop and the results came in today. The nut holding the clutch to the shaft had loosened causing the clutch plate to be loose, the shaft then proceeded to cause gears, timing chains, etc to crunch into each other. Waiting at the moment to see what BMW will offer.

I have a few posts up on Advrider.com and UKGSER.com that I will keep updated with the progress.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164)
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel (http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 04, 2014, 02:18:01 pm
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

Hi, first time poster here. I own a Dec 12 build 13GSW with just under 10,000 klm. Yesterday my gearbox failed and the rear locked up. Nothing dangerous, was just coming to a stop. The riding prior was in a group of 150 bikes on a sedate memorial ride for one of our members who recently passed away.

Towed to the workshop and the results came in today. The nut holding the clutch to the shaft had loosened causing the clutch plate to be loose, the shaft then proceeded to cause gears, timing chains, etc to crunch into each other. Waiting at the moment to see what BMW will offer.

I have a few posts up on Advrider.com and UKGSER.com that I will keep updated with the progress.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164)
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel (http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel)


Sad news but glad you are ok, at least happened at low speed!
Please keep us posted
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on August 04, 2014, 04:35:56 pm
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

Hi, first time poster here. I own a Dec 12 build 13GSW with just under 10,000 klm. Yesterday my gearbox failed and the rear locked up. Nothing dangerous, was just coming to a stop. The riding prior was in a group of 150 bikes on a sedate memorial ride for one of our members who recently passed away.

Towed to the workshop and the results came in today. The nut holding the clutch to the shaft had loosened causing the clutch plate to be loose, the shaft then proceeded to cause gears, timing chains, etc to crunch into each other. Waiting at the moment to see what BMW will offer.

I have a few posts up on Advrider.com and UKGSER.com that I will keep updated with the progress.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884688&page=164)
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel (http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?378024-2013-GSW-10-klm-Blown-Gearbox-amp-Engine-Seized-back-wheel)


Not good news , .... Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 06, 2014, 07:34:54 am
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

I saw the stripped bike yesterday and looks like the nut holding the clutch basket in place came loose! I have read about this happening on other sites as well! I am not sure what the rest of the damage is yet!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 06, 2014, 08:41:48 am
I have been defending the 2013 LC where ever I go, because I have not experienced the issues/problems/niggles that some other guys endured.

I have been very happy with my bike. At this time I am not very fond of the bike anymore! Friday on my way home, the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in, so my opinion is the gearbox is very broken....

There isn't much more that I can say at this time, as the bike is at the dealer, so still not sure exactly what happened! Will try keep you updated, as I do not believe in hiding potential dangerous problems from other people.

I saw the stripped bike yesterday and looks like the nut holding the clutch basket in place came loose! I have read about this happening on other sites as well! I am not sure what the rest of the damage is yet!

Yes quite a couple reported abroad, I just would not trust it unless they make some 'locking' device of some sort to hold that bolt tight!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 06, 2014, 08:58:28 am

Yes quite a couple reported abroad, I just would not trust it unless they make some 'locking' device of some sort to hold that bolt tight!!

Agreed, wonder if it is different in the 2014 models?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on August 06, 2014, 09:05:47 am
Jy sal nou moet upgrade na die 2014 model (GSA)  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 06, 2014, 09:16:05 am
Jy sal nou moet upgrade na die 2014 model (GSA)  :thumleft: :thumleft:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

2014 model iets, maar nie GSA nie  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on August 06, 2014, 10:59:03 am
Die RR is nie sleg nie  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on August 06, 2014, 12:33:06 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 06, 2014, 01:11:06 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(

Dit is regtig jammer dat so mooi fiets so baie kark het,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 06, 2014, 01:22:16 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(

Ja jong, dis die ding wat my pla! Soos ek sÍ, ek vat nie daai bike weer huis toe nie en ek gaan nie hom met 'n ander LC vervang nou nie. "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" of so iets sÍ die engelsman....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 06, 2014, 01:23:03 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(

Bad situation I agree but the electronics like ABS will work even if the engine is not running.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 06, 2014, 01:44:51 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(

Bad situation I agree but the electronics like ABS will work even if the engine is not running.

Am I misreading something?

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The nut holding the clutch to the shaft had loosened causing the clutch plate to be loose, the shaft then proceeded to cause gears, timing chains, etc to crunch into each other.

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the gearbox gave up rather spectacularly! So much so that the rear wheel locked up and I came to an abrupt stop. The gear lever now only allows 1st and an indicated neutral, but in neutral still can't move the bike, I also can't move it with the clutch in

The way I understand these latest two issues the gearbox failed, i.e. the gearbox locked up.

No electronics will save you if that happens, unless it is electronics deploying your ATGATT Airbags, the drive train will be locked up.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 06, 2014, 02:33:37 pm
Garfield, I responded to Manic's comment about the electronics.

It does however not really change the situation.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 06, 2014, 02:41:22 pm
It does not really matter what the electronics do if the gearbox looks like a bowl of spaghetti inside.

What I really want to know is:
- How many of these cases reported so far?
- How are they addressed?
- If it is a design/manufacture issue (not saying it is, but IF it is), how is or will this be addressed going forward

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2014, 02:44:12 pm
Herman, hoop hulle sort jou boney gou uit man  :thumleft:

Worry is net, as daai agterwiel op lock op n grondpad en jy sit hier teen 120kph rond.

Dan vrek die bike, en geen electronics gaan werk nie. Net one way, en dis grond toe  :'(


Dis natuurlik waar vir enige fiets waarvan die agterwiel lock, vir watter rede ookal.  Ketting breek en slaat wiel vas, byvoorbeeld.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on August 06, 2014, 02:52:02 pm
What I meant.

If you the kind of guy that rides with ABS on when on gravel, if the rear locks up and stalls the engine, front wheel ABS wont save you.

As far as I know, and I can be wrong, but once the engine dies, ABS dont work anymore. Have not tested this yet, but I know on my bakkie it does not. My ABS on bakkie worked up to a point, and when the engine died, the wheels locked up, and then the Kudu went over the roof  :'(

This happened in 5th gear when I jumped on the brakes, the engine stalled cause of revs being to low just before impact at 50kph.

The previous 1200GS had the same moerse ABS pump thing like you would find on the cars. Not sure now.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 06, 2014, 02:56:57 pm
What I meant.

If you the kind of guy that rides with ABS on when on gravel, if the rear locks up and stalls the engine, front wheel ABS wont save you.

As far as I know, and I can be wrong, but once the engine dies, ABS dont work anymore. Have not tested this yet, but I know on my bakkie it does not. My ABS on bakkie worked up to a point, and when the engine died, the wheels locked up, and then the Kudu went over the roof  :'(

This happened in 5th gear when I jumped on the brakes, the engine stalled cause of revs being to low just before impact at 50kph.

The previous 1200GS had the same moerse ABS pump thing like you would find on the cars. Not sure now.

This was the model with the servo driven ABS, no longer used after 2006 or '07 if I am correct.

On the later models the ABS might very well work if the engine stalls, I am not sure and also not going to test it.

Having said that, this thread is model specific  :deal:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 06, 2014, 03:03:35 pm
Good question asked earlier and not answered was whether the issue was experienced only on 2013 or also on later models.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on August 06, 2014, 03:05:32 pm
I had a 2010 non servo GSA with a moerse ABS pump like in a car.
My 2011 1300GT  non servo with also a moerse ABS pump under fairing.

Not sure about the LC though  ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on August 06, 2014, 07:54:25 pm
What I meant.

If you the kind of guy that rides with ABS on when on gravel, if the rear locks up and stalls the engine, front wheel ABS wont save you.

As far as I know, and I can be wrong, but once the engine dies, ABS dont work anymore. Have not tested this yet, but I know on my bakkie it does not. My ABS on bakkie worked up to a point, and when the engine died, the wheels locked up, and then the Kudu went over the roof  :'(

This happened in 5th gear when I jumped on the brakes, the engine stalled cause of revs being to low just before impact at 50kph.

The previous 1200GS had the same moerse ABS pump thing like you would find on the cars. Not sure now.

This was the model with the servo driven ABS, no longer used after 2006 or '07 if I am correct.

On the later models the ABS might very well work if the engine stalls, I am not sure and also not going to test it.

Having said that, this thread is model specific  :deal:

You are correct , the servo's were only till 07 , give or take a year..... I have a 06 GS which have the  servo's an a 2012 GSA , without the servo's. The 06 almost have no brakes if the engine is not running.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: knightrat on August 06, 2014, 08:05:45 pm
When I had the fuel pump failure on my 650 twin (no servo) motor cut while doing 120kph.. bike flashed a warning triangle and went into some kind of emergency mode.. abs was active.. that being said the traction control won't be to hot..  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: HermanH on August 07, 2014, 07:00:03 am
Good question asked earlier and not answered was whether the issue was experienced only on 2013 or also on later models.

I have only read about these on the 2013 models.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 13, 2014, 11:36:35 am
My left hand multifunction switch on the handlebar, controlling the flickers, lights, esa etc. and the GPS wheel just stopped working today  ???

Anybody else with this problem on a 2014 model?

Zambesi is picking the bike up on Friday to resolve the problem.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 13, 2014, 11:46:14 am
My left hand multifunction switch on the handlebar, controlling the flickers, lights, esa etc. and the GPS wheel just stopped working today  ???

Anybody else with this problem on a 2014 model?

Zambesi is picking the bike up on Friday to resolve the problem.

Nope, keep us in the loop.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on August 13, 2014, 12:38:15 pm
My left hand multifunction switch on the handlebar, controlling the flickers, lights, esa etc. and the GPS wheel just stopped working today  ???

Anybody else with this problem on a 2014 model?


Used to be quite an issue on the K1300GT from around 2009/2010.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on August 13, 2014, 12:40:49 pm
My switches het hard begin raak, toe spuit ek so bietjie Q20.Nou loop hy weer soos n ousie met n nuwe mop
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 13, 2014, 12:42:19 pm
Ek het ook opgelet dat my sleutel deesdae baie hard gedraai moet word om die bike aan te skakel, Q20 het nie gewerk vir my nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 14, 2014, 05:13:21 am
My left hand multifunction switch on the handlebar, controlling the flickers, lights, esa etc. and the GPS wheel just stopped working today  ???

Anybody else with this problem on a 2014 model?

Zambesi is picking the bike up on Friday to resolve the problem.

Nope, keep us in the loop.
I had to replace the left switch unit on my 2013 GS LC and now again on my 2014 GSA LC. Both have the cruise control. Once replaced the 2013 one did another 15000km without problems. The 2014 was only replaced about 6000km ago.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 14, 2014, 10:43:47 am
What must be a point of concer: when these bikes are out of warrenty and you need to replace a switch or something else.... Bliksem manne I am in love with this boxers but it worries me and I can see why some guys have started to make enquiries at Suz about trade onto the new 1000 Strom. Might be a good alternative but still, what a pitty. Hope that BMW will sort this bike to the once 'bullet proof' reputation since the 1100GS
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Bappas on August 14, 2014, 11:04:26 am
Probeer Q5 Dit is vir slotte het gewerk vir my 800 waar Q20 ook niks wou help nie!

Ek het ook opgelet dat my sleutel deesdae baie hard gedraai moet word om die bike aan te skakel, Q20 het nie gewerk vir my nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 11:47:21 am
What must be a point of concer: when these bikes are out of warrenty and you need to replace a switch or something else.... Bliksem manne I am in love with this boxers but it worries me and I can see why some guys have started to make enquiries at Suz about trade onto the new 1000 Strom. Might be a good alternative but still, what a pitty. Hope that BMW will sort this bike to the once 'bullet proof' reputation since the 1100GS

TVB soos ek al voorheen genoem het, dit is seker die mooiste fiets op die pad maar ek wil hom nie hÍ nie,  met al die probleme wat die fiets het stel ek nie belang in hom nie, sou ek een verniet kry of wen in 'n kompetiesie of iets is hy somer dadelik weer in die mark,

Om al die goed reg te maak onder waranty is nie aanvaarbaar nie, die ding is nie veronderstel om so baie te breek nie en soos jy genoem het die huidiges moet nog uit waranty gaan en wat dan, dit is nie somer net dit en dat wat kak gee nie daar is duur en kritiese komponente betroke,

Hoe het BMW gedink toe hulle die fiets gebou het, duidelik het hulle nie hulle huiswerk gedoen met toetse nie en nou moet arme Jan die koper die toets werk vir hulle doen wat in my oŽ baie swak is,

As ek daai prys betaal en ek moet so sukkel met klein en groot kakies gee ek die ding net daar terug en soek ek nie weer een nie, ek ry juis bike omdat ek dit geniet en dit my stress vlak laag hou so ek wil nie nog sit en worry as ek die ding ry en nog meer stress kry a.g.v van al die stront nie,


Asb verstaan my reg ek doen nie Brand Bash nou nie en ek wil ook nie hÍ die ouens wat probleme kry moet ophou post oor dit nie want dit is goed om die probleme te openbaar en dit het groter negatiewe na gevolge om stil te bly daaroor, hoe meer dit ge openbaar word hoe viniger sal BMW moet reageer.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 14, 2014, 12:02:55 pm
What must be a point of concer: when these bikes are out of warrenty and you need to replace a switch or something else.... Bliksem manne I am in love with this boxers but it worries me and I can see why some guys have started to make enquiries at Suz about trade onto the new 1000 Strom. Might be a good alternative but still, what a pitty. Hope that BMW will sort this bike to the once 'bullet proof' reputation since the 1100GS

TVB soos ek al voorheen genoem het, dit is seker die mooiste fiets op die pad maar ek wil hom nie hÍ nie,  met al die probleme wat die fiets het stel ek nie belang in hom nie, sou ek een verniet kry of wen in 'n kompetiesie of iets is hy somer dadelik weer in die mark,

Om al die goed reg te maak onder waranty is nie aanvaarbaar nie, die ding is nie veronderstel om so baie te breek nie en soos jy genoem het die huidiges moet nog uit waranty gaan en wat dan, dit is nie somer net dit en dat wat kak gee nie daar is duur en kritiese komponente betroke,

Hoe het BMW gedink toe hulle die fiets gebou het, duidelik het hulle nie hulle huiswerk gedoen met toetse nie en nou moet arme Jan die koper die toets werk vir hulle doen wat in my oŽ baie swak is,

As ek daai prys betaal en ek moet so sukkel met klein en groot kakies gee ek die ding net daar terug en soek ek nie weer een nie, ek ry juis bike omdat ek dit geniet en dit my stress vlak laag hou so ek wil nie nog sit en worry as ek die ding ry en nog meer stress kry a.g.v van al die stront nie,


Asb verstaan my reg ek doen nie Brand Bash nou nie en ek wil ook nie hÍ die ouens wat probleme kry moet ophou post oor dit nie want dit is goed om die probleme te openbaar en dit het groter negatiewe na gevolge om stil te bly daaroor, hoe meer dit ge openbaar word hoe viniger sal BMW moet reageer.

Valid concerns, and very disappointing and concerning at the same time.

I would however research how many bikes are sold vs complaints logged.

I personally experienced the worst kind of problem when my engine failed. However, since then I have only been to BMW to have breakfast and/or add more farkles. No hassles.

I also ride with others who experienced no problems, large or small, since the launch of the bike and have done 20k km of combined commuting and adventure riding.

I still love riding this bike and would not even consider anything else on the market, now even more than before I bought one.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:09:58 pm
Lord Knormoer, weet jy toe ek die reply post toe dink ek toevalig dat jy eerste gaan reply, want sonder om dit sleg of lelik te bedoel jy is so hard met die badge geslaan dat jy sal wal gooi waar jy kan, gebaseer op al jou vorige reply's,

Ek het genoem dat ek nie brand bashing doen nie maar mens kan nie die probleme mis kyk nie en dit moet ook nie weg gesteek raak nie,

Jy is nou al op jou tweede LC, het jy enige ander probleme met jou vorige een gehad en as jy gehad het watse probleme het jy gehad en op watse km, of BMW dit uit gesort het onder waranty maak nie saak nie noem net asb as jy probleme gehad het, het jou vorige een se nek nie moeilikheid gegee soos somige ander nie,
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 14, 2014, 12:23:12 pm
Nie 'n geval van walgooi nie maar wel een van holistiese uitgangspunt wat na feite kyk in konteks. Vir die rekord, huidiglik op my naam is een Honda, twee Suzuki's, een Yamaha, een Kawasaki en een BMW. Nog 'n Yamaha, 82 XT500 op pad. Ek is eintlik 'n passievolle Yamaha ondersteuner.

My 2013 LC probleme:
1. SpieŽl gekraak na 100km
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km
Verder is dit slegs die agterwiel wat vinnig afloop wat my pla!

Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen en ek het nog nie 'n oomblik se moeilikheid gehad nie. Moes wel in die Baviaans 'n pap agterwiel regmaak. Het ook een Vrydag gesien dat die linker briekpyp bietjie lek en het sommer by Piston Pete 'n moersleutel geleen en die bout vasgedraai. My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 14, 2014, 12:35:48 pm
Kyk een ding stem meeste van ons saam oor: dis die mooiste adventure bike by verre. :)
Die gearboxe wat so vasslaan is myt grootste worri.....nee genade, ek sal maar na die Beemer kyk soos n mooi girl en vir die wat een aan hul sy het 'mooi man'! Mooi girls gee baie kak, lyk my bikes ook  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:38:24 pm
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My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Snafu on August 14, 2014, 12:42:06 pm
Lord Knormoer, weet jy toe ek die reply post toe dink ek toevalig dat jy eerste gaan reply, want sonder om dit sleg of lelik te bedoel jy is so hard met die badge geslaan dat jy sal wal gooi waar jy kan, gebaseer op al jou vorige reply's,

Ek het genoem dat ek nie brand bashing doen nie maar mens kan nie die probleme mis kyk nie en dit moet ook nie weg gesteek raak nie,

Jy is nou al op jou tweede LC, het jy enige ander probleme met jou vorige een gehad en as jy gehad het watse probleme het jy gehad en op watse km, of BMW dit uit gesort het onder waranty maak nie saak nie noem net asb as jy probleme gehad het, het jou vorige een se nek nie moeilikheid gegee soos somige ander nie,

En watter probleme het jy gehad met jou LC? :)

Ek vind nogal Knormoer se terugvoer sonder dat hy "sy" brand wil beskerm
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:43:59 pm
Kyk een ding stem meeste van ons saam oor: dis die mooiste adventure bike by verre. :)
Die gearboxe wat so vasslaan is myt grootste worri.....nee genade, ek sal maar na die Beemer kyk soos n mooi girl en vir die wat een aan hul sy het 'mooi man'! Mooi girls gee baie kak, lyk my bikes ook  :imaposer:

+1
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 14, 2014, 12:46:20 pm
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My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

Final drive boot sover ek kan aflei is 'n algemene GS probleem en nie beperk tot die LC nie. Daai rubber skeur blykbaar maklik as hy nie 100% reg ingesit word nie. Irriterend, ja maar niks meer as 'n irritasie nie.

Camchain failure, totaal onaanvaarbaar!!! Vra maar die manne by Donford oor my reaksie na ek langs die pad moes staan. Ek het egter nog net gehoor dat dit op die 2013 enjin gebeur het. Ons kyk maar, my huidige fiets is nog nie by 10k nie, dis dalk my manier van ry :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:46:55 pm
Lord Knormoer, weet jy toe ek die reply post toe dink ek toevalig dat jy eerste gaan reply, want sonder om dit sleg of lelik te bedoel jy is so hard met die badge geslaan dat jy sal wal gooi waar jy kan, gebaseer op al jou vorige reply's,

Ek het genoem dat ek nie brand bashing doen nie maar mens kan nie die probleme mis kyk nie en dit moet ook nie weg gesteek raak nie,

Jy is nou al op jou tweede LC, het jy enige ander probleme met jou vorige een gehad en as jy gehad het watse probleme het jy gehad en op watse km, of BMW dit uit gesort het onder waranty maak nie saak nie noem net asb as jy probleme gehad het, het jou vorige een se nek nie moeilikheid gegee soos somige ander nie,

En watter probleme het jy gehad met jou LC? :)

Ek vind nogal Knormoer se terugvoer sonder dat hy "sy" brand wil beskerm


Ag oom snuifie, lees en presteer,  :deal:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Snafu on August 14, 2014, 12:48:09 pm
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My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

My opinie

2. Final drive boot skeur, kan gebeur, maar in die geval vreet! erens is iets nie reg nie. Hoekom? Was eerste een dlk n dat en tweede swak opgesit. Sal seker nooit weet nie
3. Camchain failure, my grootste bekommernis. Sou nogal graag wou sien hoeveel fieste al hierdie probleem gehad het. Jy aanvaar sekere probleme, maar as 10% van fietse die probleem het, dink ek dit is n hengse probleem

Kraak in skerm, waarskynlik van te vas draai omdat dit n verstelbare skerm is, maar daar moet nogsteeds n spacer wees war die oor vasmaak beskerm
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Snafu on August 14, 2014, 12:49:23 pm
Lord Knormoer, weet jy toe ek die reply post toe dink ek toevalig dat jy eerste gaan reply, want sonder om dit sleg of lelik te bedoel jy is so hard met die badge geslaan dat jy sal wal gooi waar jy kan, gebaseer op al jou vorige reply's,

Ek het genoem dat ek nie brand bashing doen nie maar mens kan nie die probleme mis kyk nie en dit moet ook nie weg gesteek raak nie,

Jy is nou al op jou tweede LC, het jy enige ander probleme met jou vorige een gehad en as jy gehad het watse probleme het jy gehad en op watse km, of BMW dit uit gesort het onder waranty maak nie saak nie noem net asb as jy probleme gehad het, het jou vorige een se nek nie moeilikheid gegee soos somige ander nie,

En watter probleme het jy gehad met jou LC? :)

Ek vind nogal Knormoer se terugvoer sonder dat hy "sy" brand wil beskerm


Ag oom snuifie, lees en presteer,  :deal:

Die manne in die thread is normaalweg nie oorsensitief nie :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:50:42 pm
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My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

Final drive boot sover ek kan aflei is 'n algemene GS probleem en nie beperk tot die LC nie. Daai rubber skeur blykbaar maklik as hy nie 100% reg ingesit word nie. Irriterend, ja maar niks meer as 'n irritasie nie.

Camchain failure, totaal onaanvaarbaar!!! Vra maar die manne by Donford oor my reaksie na ek langs die pad moes staan. Ek het egter nog net gehoor dat dit op die 2013 enjin gebeur het. Ons kyk maar, my huidige fiets is nog nie by 10k nie, dis dalk my manier van ry :peepwall:

Dit is nou 'n eerlike reply, die twyfel is nog daar maar tyd sal leer. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 12:59:55 pm
.

My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

My opinie

2. Final drive boot skeur, kan gebeur, maar in die geval vreet! erens is iets nie reg nie. Hoekom? Was eerste een dlk n dat en tweede swak opgesit. Sal seker nooit weet nie
3. Camchain faulre, me grootste bekommernis. Sou nogal graag wou sien hoeveel fieste al hierdie probleem gehad het. Jy aanvaar sekere probleme, maar as 10% van fietse die probleem het, dik ek dit is n hengse probleem

Kraak in skerm, waarskynlik van te vas draai omdat dit n verstelbare skerm is, maar daar moet nogsteeds n spacer wees war die oor vasmaak beskerm


Oom Snuifie ek se dit weer, LEES EN PRESTEER,

Dit is nie net LK se fiets wat die probleme gegee het nie, en ander het weer ander probleme gekry,

Sou dit net 10% wees, hoe gaan jy weet of jy een van die 10% is in ag geneem dat net seker 10% van hulle regtig op 'n grondpad werk.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 14, 2014, 01:04:43 pm
.

My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

My opinie

2. Final drive boot skeur, kan gebeur, maar in die geval vreet! erens is iets nie reg nie. Hoekom? Was eerste een dlk n dat en tweede swak opgesit. Sal seker nooit weet nie
3. Camchain faulre, me grootste bekommernis. Sou nogal graag wou sien hoeveel fieste al hierdie probleem gehad het. Jy aanvaar sekere probleme, maar as 10% van fietse die probleem het, dik ek dit is n hengse probleem

Kraak in skerm, waarskynlik van te vas draai omdat dit n verstelbare skerm is, maar daar moet nogsteeds n spacer wees war die oor vasmaak beskerm


Oom Snuifie ek se dit weer LEES EN PRESTEER,

Dit is nie net LK se fiets wat die probleme gegee het nie, en ander het weer ander probleme gekry,

Sou dit net 10% wees, hoe gaan jy weet of jy een van die 10% is in ag geneem dat net seker 10% van hulle regtig op 'n grondpad werk.

As ons al die totale verkope in ag neem dan verteenwoordig die foute wat ons van hoor minder as 0.1%. As ek dit met 10 vermenigvukdig is dit steeds 1% of minder. Ek stem egter saam dat dit nog te vroeg is om 'n opinie te vorm.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 01:13:03 pm
.

My 2013 LC probleme:
1.
2. Final drive boot geskeur na 1000 en weer na 1500km
3. Camchain failure na 9500km


Die 2014 LC het nou 7000km gedoen  . My enigste fout op die fiets was 'n kraak in die skerm, ek sien 'n paar ander manne het dit ook ervaar.

Ek delete jou lys van fietse want dit is nie oor hulle wat ons hier praat nie, en so ook dit wat ek as algemeen en normaal beskou,


Dink jy die foute wat jy genoem het  is normaal op 'n nuwe fiets veral as jy in ag neem dat BMW die leiers volgens sales in die DS mark is,  en so ook die probleme waarmee die ander mense sukel, of dink jy hulle het dats gekoop.

Verstaan my reg, ek wil nie 20 blaaie stry oor watse brand beter is as die ander nie, en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar mens kan nie anders as om bekomerd te raak oor hoekom daar so baie probleme is nie.

My opinie

2. Final drive boot skeur, kan gebeur, maar in die geval vreet! erens is iets nie reg nie. Hoekom? Was eerste een dlk n dat en tweede swak opgesit. Sal seker nooit weet nie
3. Camchain faulre, me grootste bekommernis. Sou nogal graag wou sien hoeveel fieste al hierdie probleem gehad het. Jy aanvaar sekere probleme, maar as 10% van fietse die probleem het, dik ek dit is n hengse probleem

Kraak in skerm, waarskynlik van te vas draai omdat dit n verstelbare skerm is, maar daar moet nogsteeds n spacer wees war die oor vasmaak beskerm


Oom Snuifie ek se dit weer LEES EN PRESTEER,

Dit is nie net LK se fiets wat die probleme gegee het nie, en ander het weer ander probleme gekry,

Sou dit net 10% wees, hoe gaan jy weet of jy een van die 10% is in ag geneem dat net seker 10% van hulle regtig op 'n grondpad werk.

As ons al die totale verkope in ag neem dan verteenwoordig die foute wat ons van hoor minder as 0.1%. As ek dit met 10 vermenigvukdig is dit steeds 1% of minder. Ek stem egter saam dat dit nog te vroeg is om 'n opinie te vorm.

Ek stem dit is nie almal nie, maar die twyfel is nog daar en ek vertrou ook nie altyd BMW se syfers nie net soos hulle weight spec,

En as niemand die goed gaan ry nie gaan die probleme nie uitkom nie, so iemand moet dit koop en toets maar ek hou nie twyfel en worry's in my agterkop nie so dit sal nie ek wees wat hulle gaan toets nie,

Great bike, as hy reg is  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Snafu on August 14, 2014, 01:32:48 pm
Ai man, dalk is my kommunikasie vaardighede nie na wense.

Ek het bloot die probleme deur LK ondervind, bespreek, maar in dieseldfde asem ook gevra oor persentasie want ek weet daar was nog.

Die camchain issue is vir my 'n show stopper, maar mens moet dit in ag neem hoeveel verkoop is, i.a.w. die verhoudings. Tot dusver weet ek egter net van 2013 modelle, maar ons sal moet kans gee vir meer kilos op die 2014 modelle
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 14, 2014, 03:36:57 pm
So na aanleiding van Snafu en Jakkals se emails het ek begin dink, is ons maar net met min tevrede. Het BMW et al ons daaraan gewoond gemaak dat goed breek, tot op ín punt waar ons nie eers bekommerd is daaroor dat goed breek op ín splinternuwe fiets nie.

Ek het probeer terug dink aan aan al my vorige fietse om te besluit of dinge in die verlede beter was. Die probleem is dat die goed wat nou breek nie eers op my ou fietse bestaan het nie. En soos ek terug dink het hulle ook maar gebreek. Die waarborge was definitief korter (12 maande).

Van ek weer begin ry het, het ek die meeste moeilikheid gehad met ín Suzuki V-Strom en die minste met ín 2011 GSA waarmee ek 56 000km gedoen het. Die GSA was egter ook nie sonder probleme nie.

Miskien kyk ons maar net na die verlede met deur die versagtende lense van tyd?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on August 14, 2014, 03:49:28 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 14, 2014, 04:26:11 pm
Dit bly !@#$ frustrerend as ek met my bike op 'n trip wil gaan en die !@#$ ding is stukkend, al is dit net die flikker, lig, ESA beheer konsole. Ek dink nie dit behoort op 'n fiets te gebeur van naby R 200 K nie.

Ek hoop regtig BMW Zambesi sort dit more vinnig en maklik uit, en dat dit nie weer gaan gebeur nie.

Klink of dit 'n ou probleem op die K reeks bikes was, snaaks dat dit nog steeds n probleem is????
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 04:51:22 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.

Onder die " verstaan my mooi ek brand bash nie maar"
Dit is ook eienaardig dat die meeste concern oor die gehalte en probleme van nie-eienaars is.
Terwyl ons wat ons bikes ry en geniet nie dieselfde skynbare angstigheid wat julle oor het dat ons fietse enige oomblik kan breek deel nie. Dankie vir julle concern now go ride your bike and let us worry about our bikes. As much as we appreciate your sincerest concern and all...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 04:52:50 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.

Dit is waar en daar is ook 'n rede hoekom ons nie sulke bikes gekoop het nie,

Ek het gekyk na die LC want hy is vir my mooi maar het maar daar teen besluit,

Kyk, ek probeer glad nie BMW of enige brand af kraak nie, in teen deel jy sal my altyd hoor sÍ daar is nie k@k bikes nie net k@k mense,

Maar regtig, ek kan nie dink aan 'n ander fiets wat nuut uit gekom het en so baie strings saam gesleep het nie, as dit nog 'n cheap chinese berdryf was sou dit aanvaarbaar gewees het maar nie op 'n fiets van die prys klas nie,

Hier is ouens wat LC's het en nie skroom om die foute uit te wys nie en dit is reg, as dit nie op die lappe kom nie gaan iemand langs die pad daar onder ly en after all is ons maar net die ouens wat die goed koop met ons eie geld en glo ek nie hier is ouens wat shareholding in BMW het nie (behalwe dealers) is daar nie al genoeg bewys van foute waarop BMW moet verbeter nie,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 04:57:31 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.

Onder die " verstaan my mooi ek brand bash nie maar"
Dit is ook eienaardig dat die meeste concern oor die gehalte en probleme van nie-eienaars is.
Terwyl ons wat ons bikes ry en geniet nie dieselfde skynbare angstigheid wat julle oor het dat ons fietse enige oomblik kan breek deel nie. Dankie vir julle concern now go ride your bike and let us worry about our bikes. As much as we appreciate your sincerest concern and all...

Versigtig oor gaan ry jou bike, ek probeer nie hier bewys wie sin is die grootste nie maar ek is nie 'n comuniter nie en ek rol ook nie om die pot rond nie,

Ek sou nie op die thread reply het as die LC nie my aandag getrek het nie, maar as dit is hoe jy daar oor voel is ek baie bly vir jou part,  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 14, 2014, 05:18:52 pm
Kom nou kinders- speel mooi asseblief !
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 05:22:10 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.

Onder die " verstaan my mooi ek brand bash nie maar"
Dit is ook eienaardig dat die meeste concern oor die gehalte en probleme van nie-eienaars is.
Terwyl ons wat ons bikes ry en geniet nie dieselfde skynbare angstigheid wat julle oor het dat ons fietse enige oomblik kan breek deel nie. Dankie vir julle concern now go ride your bike and let us worry about our bikes. As much as we appreciate your sincerest concern and all...

Versigtig oor gaan ry jou bike, ek probeer nie hier bewys wie sin is die grootste nie maar ek is nie 'n comuniter nie en ek rol ook nie om die pot rond nie,

Ek sou nie op die thread reply het as die LC nie my aandag getrek het nie, maar as dit is hoe jy daar oor voel is ek baie bly vir jou part,  :thumleft:

Ag Jakkals, soos jy sÍ lees en presteer, dit doen ek. Jy stel belang in die LC? Really? Of is dit nou die kommerwekende onbetroubaarheid van die bike wat jou so ontstel.



Ek het mos al genoem dat ek na hom gekyk het, maar op die stadium van die geveg wil ek hom glad nie hÍ nie want ek weet nou meer van hom af en dink ek ek sou 'n fout gemaak het as ek hom gekoop het,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 14, 2014, 05:24:03 pm
Kom nou kinders- speel mooi asseblief !

Jy jou haare gekam voor jy hier kom reply het, hoe lyk die helmet kuif nou, :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Hy staan kierts regop !😄
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 05:29:43 pm
Dit is maar gewoonlik die mense wat nie self sulke bikes het nie , wat die meeste te sÍ het oor die bikes , moet jou nie aan hulle steur nie.

Onder die " verstaan my mooi ek brand bash nie maar"
Dit is ook eienaardig dat die meeste concern oor die gehalte en probleme van nie-eienaars is.
Terwyl ons wat ons bikes ry en geniet nie dieselfde skynbare angstigheid wat julle oor het dat ons fietse enige oomblik kan breek deel nie. Dankie vir julle concern now go ride your bike and let us worry about our bikes. As much as we appreciate your sincerest concern and all...

Versigtig oor gaan ry jou bike, ek probeer nie hier bewys wie sin is die grootste nie maar ek is nie 'n comuniter nie en ek rol ook nie om die pot rond nie,

Ek sou nie op die thread reply het as die LC nie my aandag getrek het nie, maar as dit is hoe jy daar oor voel is ek baie bly vir jou part,  :thumleft:

Ag Jakkals, soos jy sÍ lees en presteer, dit doen ek. Jy stel belang in die LC? Really? Of is dit nou die kommerwekende onbetroubaarheid van die bike wat jou so ontstel.



Ek het mos al genoem dat ek na hom gekyk het, maar op die stadium van die geveg wil ek hom glad nie hÍ nie want ek weet nou meer van hom af en dink ek ek sou 'n fout gemaak het as ek hom gekoop het,

En hier speel ek nou mooi....!
Ek is bly vir jou😘
Los ons nou maar om wat ons dink is n piele bike te geniet, so tussen die breke deur
Saam met so n 20 ander BMW LC's het ons n toer van 8k km deur die Alpe en Dolomites gedoen so n maand terug met geen probleme behalwe so bietjie gure weer nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 14, 2014, 05:55:21 pm
Wow. Dis baie mooi daai sneeu. Seker glad soos snot op die beste van tye???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 06:09:11 pm
Wow. Dis baie mooi daai sneeu. Seker glad soos snot op die beste van tye???

Jip die black ice op die pad is maar glibberig

stelvio pass in die reŽn 2760m was n ondervinding!

Maar kyk hieronder, nog n BMW teleurstelling die onbetroubaarheid van die LC op die extreme off road toer in Transkei het nog n chink in die armor van LC gewys! Dis nogal n kak gevoel, want jy weet nie wat volgende gaan breek nie fck miskien moet ek begin belangstel in n ander bike!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 06:18:24 pm
Fark daai trip in die Alpe lyk nice, dit moet een helse ondervinding wees,  :thumleft:

Ek het al Swarberg pas gery in dik sneeu maar dit is maar net oor die berg, daai moes moerse gewees en ek self sal like om dit te gaan doen,


Hoekom sukel daai ou so deur die water driffie op jou ander foto's, lyk asof hy nogal ge batle het,

Baie mooi foto,s  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 06:29:38 pm
Fark daai trip in die Alpe lyk nice, dit moet een helse ondervinding wees,  :thumleft:

Die alpe trip het ook BosniŽ, SloveniŽ, KroatiŽ ingesluit. Nogal n moerse risiko om die oosblok lande te doen met die LC- 😁die onbetroubaarheids gogga en die geen "ON CALL"
nie- wonderbaarlik het niemand enige probleme gehad nie. BMW AG het alles opgeteken en gedokumenteer om as teenvoeter te gebruik om die gerugte van onbetroubaarheid en geen R&D claims te refute.

Ek het al Swarberg pas gery in dik sneeu maar dit is maar net oor die berg, daai moes moerse gewees en ek self sal like om dit te gaan doen,


Hoekom sukel daai ou so deur die water driffie op jou ander foto's, lyk asof hy nogal ge batle het,

Baie mooi foto,s  :thumleft:
Dankie ja dit is nice trip gewees
"Driffie"was maar bietjie klipperig en  was nie die enigste of laaste van die dag nie.
En dan is dit ook nog gedoen op n bike wat nie gemaak is om sulke tracks te ry nie. En Herman was fokken vreesbevange dat sy bike op daardie spesifieke oomblik n ratkas of engine failure gaan feature
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 14, 2014, 06:46:56 pm
Ongelukkig kan sarkasme en fotos van 'n stukkende skoen nie regtig mense wat omgee se aandag aftrek van ratkaste wat breek nie.

Ek moet binnekort 'n nuwe bike koop, en op die oomblik se my hart ja koop 'n nuwe GSA maar die stukkende ratkaste en goed laat my kop se ek moet liewer nog wag of na iets anders kyk.

Nie brand bashing nie, net kommentaar van 'n BMW fan wat oop oe deur die lewe gaan.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 06:53:25 pm
Ongelukkig kan sarkasme en fotos van 'n stukkende skoen nie regtig mense wat omgee se aandag aftrek van ratkaste wat breek nie.

Ek moet binnekort 'n nuwe bike koop, en op die oomblik se my hart ja koop 'n nuwe GSA maar die stukkende ratkaste en goed laat my kop se ek moet liewer nog wag of na iets anders kyk.

Nie brand bashing nie, net kommentaar van 'n BMW fan wat oop oe deur die lewe gaan.

Hier is nou die sinvolste reply van die dag, 

Niks aanvalend nie maar die waarheid,  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 07:11:59 pm
Ongelukkig kan sarkasme en fotos van 'n stukkende skoen nie regtig mense wat omgee se aandag aftrek van ratkaste wat breek nie.

Ek moet binnekort 'n nuwe bike koop, en op die oomblik se my hart ja koop 'n nuwe GSA maar die stukkende ratkaste en goed laat my kop se ek moet liewer nog wag of na iets anders kyk.

Nie brand bashing nie, net kommentaar van 'n BMW fan wat oop oe deur die lewe gaan.

Garfield

Soos jy gaan ek ook oop oŽ deur die lewe, as my BMW my kak gee dan sÍ ek dit. Voor ek koop toets ek alles deeglik en maak dan n besluit. Lees ook ekstrnsief op oor die kanditate en besluit dan. Die fotos wat ek gepost het en die tong en kies was bedoel om te wys sat die LC wat so n beating vat by veral die nie-eienaars glad nie so onbetroubaar is nie. Die nie-eienaars wat kwansuis bekommerd sou wees oor wanneer die bike gaan breek word skynbaar nie gedeel deur meeste van die eienaars nie, my inkluis. Ek het wonderlike paaie gery en regtig respek vir die LC gekry, ver van die nie eienaars se histerie
Jy praat van ratkaste, hoeveel het nou al ingekonk waarvan jy weet?
Ek weet selfs een is 1 te veel maar objektiwieteit is ook nodig
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on August 14, 2014, 07:36:01 pm
+1 vir jou reply  :thumleft:

Oor die tong in die kies en die beating sal ek ook nie uitbrei nie,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 09:30:50 pm
Ongelukkig kan sarkasme en fotos van 'n stukkende skoen nie regtig mense wat omgee se aandag aftrek van ratkaste wat breek nie.

Ek moet binnekort 'n nuwe bike koop, en op die oomblik se my hart ja koop 'n nuwe GSA maar die stukkende ratkaste en goed laat my kop se ek moet liewer nog wag of na iets anders kyk.

Nie brand bashing nie, net kommentaar van 'n BMW fan wat oop oe deur die lewe gaan.

Garfield

Soos jy gaan ek ook oop oŽ deur die lewe, as my BMW my kak gee dan sÍ ek dit. Voor ek koop toets ek alles deeglik en maak dan n besluit. Lees ook ekstrnsief op oor die kanditate en besluit dan. Die fotos wat ek gepost het en die tong en kies was bedoel om te wys sat die LC wat so n beating vat by veral die nie-eienaars glad nie so onbetroubaar is nie. Die nie-eienaars wat kwansuis bekommerd sou wees oor wanneer die bike gaan breek word skynbaar nie gedeel deur meeste van die eienaars nie, my inkluis. Ek het wonderlike paaie gery en regtig respek vir die LC gekry, ver van die nie eienaars se histerie
Jy praat van ratkaste, hoeveel het nou al ingekonk waarvan jy weet?
Ek weet selfs een is 1 te veel maar objektiwieteit is ook nodig

Ek laat maar my opinie oor die skielik nou "tong in die kies" post daar, dit is nie belangrik nie  :thumleft:

Sover ek kan aflei het die LC meer ratkaste in een jaar gebreek as die vorige reeks in sy leeftyd?  Of lees ek verkeerd?
As ek reg is, dan is die persentasie eenvoudig te hoog.

Ek het hier op WD's gelees van twee ratkaste wat gegaan het en 'n paar cam chain probleme, en dan ander minder belangrike probleme ook nog wat ek nie as kritiek ag nie.
Op advrider is daar nog meer, ek lees ook daar.

As dit nie objektief is nie dan weet ek nie wat is nie.

Ek gun elke LC eienaar elke gelukkige km wat julle met julle fietse ry  :thumleft:

Ongelukkig lyk dit maar nog steeds of julle voel of die "nie-eienaars" die brand afkraak, dit is maar my persepsie van die snedige manier dat daar na die "nie-eienaars" verwys word.

Klein foute is aanvaarbaar, maar ratkaste en cam chains is nie.  Nie almal ry 'n fiets tot net voor die waarborg verval nie.

Die fotos wat jy gepost het (behalwe vir die stukkende skoen) is great BTW  :thumleft:

Edit: Behalwe vir die XT660Z wat ek gehad het, het ek nog net BMW 1200's as DS bikes gery, altesaam het ek vier gehad en ek het naby aan 150000km met hulle gery, my huidige GSA is nou op 76000km sonder enige probleme, so ek is beslis 'n BMW ondersteuner, maar op die oomblik een wat twyfel - ek sal bly wees as my twyfel verkeerd bewys word, regtig.

Probeer jou nie oortuig nie, maar wat ek hoor is dat die cam chain wat snap n real issue is en ook die rede is vir die "ratkas failure" cam chain pinns wat baie naby aan 4 de rat hardloop en met die slack raak die pinns aan die rat wat die koppe afskaaf en dan breek die ketting wat dan in die ratkas beland wat dan consequential skade aanrig

So ver is daar n paar gevalle van die cam chain failures, ratkas failures agv daarvan. BMW so ver het soos dit hoort, behoorlik opgetree om hulle waarborg ooreenkoms gestand te doen. Die aantal LC wat reeds verkoop is is aansienlik meer as enige van die kompetisie, ek sal
myself verstout om te waag sÍ meer as al die ander groot duals tesame. % gewys is die failures relatief min in vergelyking met die kompetisie.

My verwysing vroeŽr na nie-eienaars was regtig geensins in negatiewe trant bedoel nie, ek vra omverskoning as dit so voor gekom het. Wat ek bedoel het is die mense wat die meeste geraas oor die bike se foute maak is ouens wat ander brands ry.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 14, 2014, 09:41:05 pm
Probeer jou nie oortuig nie, maar wat ek hoor is dat die cam chain wat snap n real issue is en ook die rede is vir die "ratkas failure" cam chain pinns wat baie naby aan 4 de rat hardloop en met die slack raak die pinns aan die rat wat die koppe afskaaf en dan breek die ketting wat dan in die ratkas beland wat dan consequential skade aanrig

So ver is daar n paar gevalle van die cam chain failures, ratkas failures agv daarvan. BMW so ver het soos dit hoort, behoorlik opgetree om hulle waarborg ooreenkoms gestand te doen. Die aantal LC wat reeds verkoop is is aansienlik meer as enige van die kompetisie, ek sal
myself verstout om te waag sÍ meer as al die ander groot duals tesame. % gewys is die failures relatief min in vergelyking met die kompetisie.

My verwysing vroeŽr na nie-eienaars was regtig geensins in negatiewe trant bedoel nie, ek vra omverskoning as dit so voor gekom het. Wat ek bedoel het is die mense wat die meeste geraas oor die bike se foute maak is ouens wat ander brands ry.

Alles goed  :thumleft:

My vergelyking is nie teenoor die kompetisie, i.e. ander brands nie, my vraag is % gewys teenoor % failures met die vorige 1200.
Die vergelying teenoor ander brands gaan oor meer as dit, daar is vir my persoonlik baie ander goed wat ook ter sprake kom.

Het nog nooit BMW se optrede onder waarborg bevraagteken nie, my ondervinding daarvan is onbesproke en ek is gewoond aan uitstekende waarborg diens van BMW.

Sover lyk dit of meeste van die probleme 2013 modelle is, wat vir my positief is, maar ek wil dit graag bevestig.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jondu on August 14, 2014, 09:52:43 pm

Los ons nou maar om wat ons dink is n piele bike te geniet, so tussen die breke deur
Saam met so n 20 ander BMW LC's het ons n toer van 8k km deur die Alpe en Dolomites gedoen so n maand terug met geen probleme behalwe so bietjie gure weer nie


Het julle die fietse gehuur? Ek is ook op pad daarheen en het nogal n plan gehaad om te huur, maar is dit bekostigbaar?
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 14, 2014, 10:00:21 pm
As jy nie die LC koop nie dan wonder jy maar altyd oor die fout wat jy gemaak het. Hoe stil jy die stemmetjie binne jou gemoed wat deurentyd knaag aan jou goeie oordeel, of gebrek daaraan?- jy soek regverdiging om jouself te oortuig dat die LC te veel probleme het en dis hoekom jy nie spyt hoef te wees dat jy eerder 'n Yamaha of whatever gekoop het nie.

Maak dit sin?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 14, 2014, 10:07:58 pm
As jy nie die LC koop nie dan wonder jy maar altyd oor die fout wat jy gemaak het. Hoe stil jy die stemmetjie binne jou gemoed wat deurentyd knaag aan jou goeie oordeel, of gebrek daaraan?- jy soek regverdiging om jouself te oortuig dat die LC te veel probleme het en dis hoekom jy nie spyt hoef te wees dat jy eerder 'n Yamaha of whatever gekoop het nie.

Maak dit sin?

Ja ek verstaan wat jy se, en ja ek wonder, maar hoef myself nog nie van enigiets te oortuig nie.

Vir nou is my huidige GSA vir my nog reg, en daar is geen haas om te vervang nie maar die tyd kom wel in die jaar of vroeg volgende jaar.

Intussen kyk ek maar wat aangaan en sal met tyd my besluit maak.

Soos ek al gese het, ek is 'n BMW fan, en het nog niks anders as goeie diens uit die produk of handelaars gehad nie, so ek kraak gladnie die nuwe LC af nie, ek vra maar net die vrae wat by my opkom.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jondu on August 14, 2014, 10:14:51 pm
Ek sal n LC Adventure toe oe koop met al sy oenskynlikke probleme, maar een probleem.......Kapitaal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 10:15:08 pm

Los ons nou maar om wat ons dink is n piele bike te geniet, so tussen die breke deur
Saam met so n 20 ander BMW LC's het ons n toer van 8k km deur die Alpe en Dolomites gedoen so n maand terug met geen probleme behalwe so bietjie gure weer nie


Het julle die fietse gehuur? Ek is ook op pad daarheen en het nogal n plan gehaad om te huur, maar is dit bekostigbaar?

Ons het BMWs gehuur by BMW Zentrum in Munich wat beteken jy is gewaarborg van uitstekende diens en die nuutste fietse, is maar duur agv R/Ä issues maar dis n trip wat jy vir altyd sal onthou. Dis een van daai bucket list dinge om te doen- my kak is dat ek dit die eerste keer in 2012 gedoen het en elke jaar daarna!
So 3x emmers vol en sal ek dit weer doen? Beslis as ek dit kan bybring dan doen ek dit elke jaar. Daar is net soveel ongelooflike roetes en passe om te ryen die paaie, is
Om van te droom-
Geen gemors op die teer nie en die rit die jaar van Dubrovnik na Staligrad toe in kroatiŽ is seker die bete pad met draaie om van te droom- Clarens drive x 100 met nie n reguit stuk pad in sig nie.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on August 14, 2014, 10:33:06 pm
As jy nie die LC koop nie dan wonder jy maar altyd oor die fout wat jy gemaak het. Hoe stil jy die stemmetjie binne jou gemoed wat deurentyd knaag aan jou goeie oordeel, of gebrek daaraan?- jy soek regverdiging om jouself te oortuig dat die LC te veel probleme het en dis hoekom jy nie spyt hoef te wees dat jy eerder 'n Yamaha of whatever gekoop het nie.

Maak dit sin?

Ja ek verstaan wat jy se, en ja ek wonder, maar hoef myself nog nie van enigiets te oortuig nie.

Vir nou is my huidige GSA vir my nog reg, en daar is geen haas om te vervang nie maar die tyd kom wel in die jaar of vroeg volgende jaar.

Intussen kyk ek maar wat aangaan en sal met tyd my besluit maak.

Soos ek al gese het, ek is 'n BMW fan, en het nog niks anders as goeie diens uit die produk of handelaars gehad nie, so ek kraak gladnie die nuwe LC af nie, ek vra maar net die vrae wat by my opkom.

Garfield
So tydjie terug het almal en wie nog die DOHC Gs/A afgekraak agv die engine pink en die verwagte daaropvolgende engine implotion, vandag besef almal
Die vorige boxers se fuel air mix is hopeloos te lean vir ons by die kus en het almal se boxers wat pink soos singer naai masjiene op half spoed opgeblaas?.
Dan was daar nog ook die smeltende instrument binnacle, voor disks wat gewarp het
Vandag is dit die beste bikes, behalve natuurlik die legendariese 1150.

Een ding is verseker die LC fietse word BAIE vinniger en harder gery op teer en op grond as wat enige ander Gs nog ooit gery was- n generalization  ek weet. Op
My toer in Europa het my GPS gewys  223km/h top spoed op die AB. Ek het nooit eers probeer om met my vorige fietse so vinnig te probeer ry nie- hulle was net nie gemaklik by snelhede bo 180 nie teenoor die LC dit skaars voel- gevaarlik en deceptive hoe vinnig jy op baie hoŽ snelhede met die LC ry
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 14, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
Ek dink dit is die maerder tenk wat baie te doen het met persepsie...moet sÍ ek ry my LC ook BAIE harder as enige vorige GS of GSA. Die goed is net gemaak vir lekker loop op spoed.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on August 15, 2014, 06:31:23 am
Ek dink dit is die maerder tenk wat baie te doen het met persepsie...moet sÍ ek ry my LC ook BAIE harder as enige vorige GS of GSA. Die goed is net gemaak vir lekker loop op spoed.
Hier stem ek met jou saam, Draadwerk. My LC voel vir my of ek op 'n plastic opgeklim het nadat ek afgeklim het van my ou (2008) GS. Hanteer baie makliker, ratser, en mens is geneig om gevolglik die oor meer te draai... Want dis lekkerder! Ek moet myself deurentyds herinner dat ek nog besig is om myne in te ry. >:D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 15, 2014, 07:25:41 am
Ek dink dit is die maerder tenk wat baie te doen het met persepsie...moet sÍ ek ry my LC ook BAIE harder as enige vorige GS of GSA. Die goed is net gemaak vir lekker loop op spoed.

Moenie vergeet dat die enjin baie sterker is nie, en dit voel vir my of die fiets ook heelwat meer stabiel op grond as die vorige Gs is, wat alles bydrae tot die feit dat mens maklik baie te vinnig ry, op grond en teer.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 15, 2014, 08:16:03 am
Ongelukkig kan sarkasme en fotos van 'n stukkende skoen nie regtig mense wat omgee se aandag aftrek van ratkaste wat breek nie.

Ek moet binnekort 'n nuwe bike koop, en op die oomblik se my hart ja koop 'n nuwe GSA maar die stukkende ratkaste en goed laat my kop se ek moet liewer nog wag of na iets anders kyk.

Nie brand bashing nie, net kommentaar van 'n BMW fan wat oop oe deur die lewe gaan.

Give this man a Bells'

Ek het genoeg gelees op oorsese forums ook en nee wat dankie, die mooiste bike en mal oor die boxers maar as my skip kom en BMW steeds nie met oplossings gekom het nie hou ek verby na n ander stal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 15, 2014, 08:23:33 am
Net n gedagte.

Hoeveel gelukkige kliŽnte (in wat ook al) post dat hulle gelukkig is met produk om forums teen oor ongelukkige KliŽnte?

Kla kouse, met of sonder rede post meer as gelukkige kliente
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 15, 2014, 08:33:25 am
Ek is dolgelukkig en ek dink dis die beste fiets ooit !!! 😄😄😄😄😄
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 15, 2014, 08:36:45 am
Ek reserveer egter my opinie........wil niks jinx nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 15, 2014, 08:44:29 am
Het al self gewonder oor die foute wat almal na verwys want tussen Wilddogs, ADVrider en UKGSer tel ek net 'n handvol wat ratkas en camshaft probleme insluit.

Is daar 'n ander spesiale forum waar die inligting geplaas word?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 15, 2014, 08:55:42 am
Ai tog, ek het nerens gelees dat enigiemand se dit is 'n groot hoeveelheid failures nie, meeste is bewus dat dit net 'n handvol is.

Julle raak te gou emosioneel en dink dan almal wat vrae vra val die arme bike aan - lees mooi, dit is nie so nie  :dousing:

Edit: Gelukkig kan ons almal ons eie besluite maak  :thumleft:

Ek hoop werklik elke bike eienaar, maak nie saak watter brand of model nie, is vir die tyd wat hy of sy die bike besit net gelukkig, en het nooit enige probleme nie.
Maar soos party manne post sou mens amper se van die mense wat vrae vra wens dat daar meer is wat breek  ::)

Veilig ry, en as daar wel probleme is, kom vertel maar daarvan, net die feite en sonder emosie asseblief  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on August 15, 2014, 10:11:25 am
interessante bespreking, ekt lanklaas gelees. moet se daar darm heelwat wat net die potjie bietjie wil roer. Iemand moet bietje n thread stig vir actual groot issues op die LC, en hoeveel kilos en of bmw dit uitgesort het. Dit sal mos verwarring weg vat. ek weet maar van min wat gegroet het. Ander make lyk dan nie juis meer betroubaar nie.
Wat ek ook al gesien het is dat baie keer sal die groot item breek op lae kilos as hy sou breek, dan sal warranty betaal en daai voertuig sal dan nog lank lank loop. Dit is so op BMW karre ook maar. Ek reken nie die goed is n risiko vir tweedehandse koop nie, maar dit seker nog te vroeg om so te se.

Maar ja, ek kan nie veel van n opinie gee nie...ek eet maar pap en tik terwyl ek my ou shafty fix en wag dat die LC n opsie vir my raak tweedehands.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 15, 2014, 11:37:32 am
Zambesi het laat weet dat hulle die cluster gaan vervang, het toe maar besluit om die quick shifter te laat installeer terwyl die bike daar is.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2014, 01:49:53 pm
Net n gedagte.

Hoeveel gelukkige kliŽnte (in wat ook al) post dat hulle gelukkig is met produk om forums teen oor ongelukkige KliŽnte?

Kla kouse, met of sonder rede post meer as gelukkige kliente


As mens hier pos. as gelukkig kliŽnt, kry jy gou-gou slae by sekere manne.    Moet jy sit en lees hoe dom jy is en elke ding. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 15, 2014, 02:01:19 pm
Ai ai manne, julle is hopeloos te feingevoellig of kleinserig. Smile en wees happy, dis naweek!! :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 15, 2014, 02:01:41 pm
Net n gedagte.

Hoeveel gelukkige kliŽnte (in wat ook al) post dat hulle gelukkig is met produk om forums teen oor ongelukkige KliŽnte?

Kla kouse, met of sonder rede post meer as gelukkige kliente


As mens hier pos. as gelukkig kliŽnt, kry jy gou-gou slae by sekere manne.    Moet jy sit en lees hoe dom jy is en elke ding. 
Dis n komplot van BMW, hulle weet as jou bike ingaan vir repairs dan loop jy daar weg met iets.......... Ek is nou so demoer in oor my bike wat nie werk nie,  ek sit sommer n quickshifter op vir R5000
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 15, 2014, 02:35:02 pm
Net n gedagte.

Hoeveel gelukkige kliŽnte (in wat ook al) post dat hulle gelukkig is met produk om forums teen oor ongelukkige KliŽnte?

Kla kouse, met of sonder rede post meer as gelukkige kliente


As mens hier pos. as gelukkig kliŽnt, kry jy gou-gou slae by sekere manne.    Moet jy sit en lees hoe dom jy is en elke ding.  
Dis n komplot van BMW, hulle weet as jou bike ingaan vir repairs dan loop jy daar weg met iets.......... Ek is nou so demoer in oor my bike wat nie werk nie,  ek sit sommer n quickshifter op vir R5000

Ek het net 'n los bout gehad en loop toe met die quickshifter daar uit!! :imaposer:

Miskien het ek 'n skroef los.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 15, 2014, 03:27:22 pm
Zambesi my laat weet dat daar niks fout is met die konsole nie???? :eek7:

Net herprogramering. Hoop regtig dit was die probleem???

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 15, 2014, 09:29:42 pm
Zambesi my laat weet dat daar niks fout is met die konsole nie???? :eek7:

Net herprogramering. Hoop regtig dit was die probleem???



As dit so is dan is dit  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 17, 2014, 07:49:26 am

Net herprogramering. Hoop regtig dit was die probleem???

So, wat gaan verkeerd dat die fiets dit nodig het in die eerste plek? Beteken dit die ROM op die fiets is sensitief, of word die data korrup, of is dit iets meganies wat skuif? Hierdie is 'n interessante een.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 17, 2014, 08:15:23 am

Net herprogramering. Hoop regtig dit was die probleem???

So, wat gaan verkeerd dat die fiets dit nodig het in die eerste plek? Beteken dit die ROM op die fiets is sensitief, of word die data korrup, of is dit iets meganies wat skuif? Hierdie is 'n interessante een.

Volgens Zambesi kan dit gebeur as die battery effens afgeloop is. Myne was beslis nie pap nie, bike het baie maklik gestart. Sal maar sien hoe dit gaan
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 17, 2014, 04:27:31 pm
Maar die battery is nie ouer as 'n jaar nie...ek sal myne sommer gou op tjarts sit dat hy nie afloop nie.

Die vorige keer dat die fiets ek van diens af terug gekry het, het sy gesukkel om aan te skakel. Sy doen dit nou weer, nadat ek haar laat diens het Saterdag. Laai haar in elk geval gou weer net om seker te maak.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on August 17, 2014, 04:51:25 pm
Maar die battery is nie ouer as 'n jaar nie...ek sal myne sommer gou op tjarts sit dat hy nie afloop nie.

Die vorige keer dat die fiets ek van diens af terug gekry het, het sy gesukkel om aan te skakel. Sy doen dit nou weer, nadat ek haar laat diens het Saterdag. Laai haar in elk geval gou weer net om seker te maak.

Miskien nie n slegte idee om n trickle charger te koop nie. Laat sy laai in rustende fase en weet battery is altyd op optimale vlak gelaai.
Elektronics hou nie van lae battery krag nie, ons mediese respons bikes gee baie kak (alles net op die tracker, dual camera en waarskuwing ligte) als agv batterye wat se krag te laag raak. Ons gaan almal nou op trickle charge begin sit, net n klein rubber plug wat langs die kant uithang wat jy inplug sodra jy tuis parkeer
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tp007 on August 18, 2014, 03:02:27 pm
Yesterday the spotlights on my K51 didn't seem to work, switched on/off, nothing happened. When ignition is switched on, spots work but the moment I start the bike, off goes the spots.

This morning when started up, spots work, no problem ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: PieterV on August 19, 2014, 11:58:38 am
Yesterday the spotlights on my K51 didn't seem to work, switched on/off, nothing happened. When ignition is switched on, spots work but the moment I start the bike, off goes the spots.

This morning when started up, spots work, no problem ???

Is your lights switched to "auto"?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 19, 2014, 12:10:00 pm
Zambesi my laat weet dat daar niks fout is met die konsole nie???? :eek7:

Net herprogramering. Hoop regtig dit was die probleem???



Lyk my as die battery bietjie sous verloor, dan werk sekere dinge nie. Klink vir my baie snaaks, maar alles werk nou weer op die bike. Die quick shifter het 'n groot smile op my gesig gesit.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tp007 on August 19, 2014, 12:13:20 pm
Yesterday the spotlights on my K51 didn't seem to work, switched on/off, nothing happened. When ignition is switched on, spots work but the moment I start the bike, off goes the spots.

This morning when started up, spots work, no problem ???

Is your lights switched to "auto"?
Jip. You think it might not then allow me to switch on in daylight?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: PieterV on August 19, 2014, 12:43:24 pm
Yesterday the spotlights on my K51 didn't seem to work, switched on/off, nothing happened. When ignition is switched on, spots work but the moment I start the bike, off goes the spots.

This morning when started up, spots work, no problem ???

Is your lights switched to "auto"?
Jip. You think it might not then allow me to switch on in daylight?

Yep
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Voz on August 23, 2014, 05:43:20 am
Hi guys, you might recall that I had a 13 GSW that the clutch basket nut came off @ 15 months and 9600 klm. Was about 2 weeks back. Here is the update:

13 GSW warranty update.

Just under 3 weeks ago my 13 GSW had a clutch nut loosen and wreck the engine and gearbox. The bike had 9600 klm and was 15 months old.

Within a few days of dropping it at the dealers, BMW authorised a new engine and gearbox but I had to wait few weeks to see what else they were going to offer. About 2 weeks later I was offered the following:

New engine & gearbox, bike ODO to stay at 9600 Klm
Free 1st and second scheduled services
New front tyre and pads
2 year extended warranty from the end of the 1st 2 year warranty date

Ok, so I was pretty happy with this until I found out that the free service and 2 year warranty extension were not transferable to the next buyer. I rejected this deal.

Next offer was for a BMW & Dealer subsidised trade-in on a new bike. After 15 months of use I was expecting to contribute something which I have agreed to. The dealer will also transfer all of my options over in the deal and there are a lot of SW Motech farkles fitted.

I had to decide on whether to take a new 14 next week or wait few months for a new 15. I decided on a new 14 then changed my mind this morning and ordered a new Arctic White / Blacked Out Frame & Engine with GSAP, Keyless Start & extra warranty. The dealer applied the same tradein and sell price and subsidy to the new 15.

Whilst the time delays were a big hassle I would have to say that BMW Australia and the dealer Procycles in St Peters (Inner CBD Sydney) have treated me fairly well and presented me with reasonable options. On a side note, I was at the dealer this morning and they have already received & fitted the new engine from Germany so if I had wanted the repair option it was pretty much ready to go after just 3 weeks, not bad for Australia.

This will likely be my last post on your fabulous forum on this issue as I generally hang around ADVRider and UKGSer and there are just too many forums to update, thanks for all your replies and to Herman, cheers guys.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 23, 2014, 06:38:52 am
:thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1190 on August 23, 2014, 07:16:04 am
Anybody else have this problem?  Its on the left side under the air intake
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BLK on August 23, 2014, 08:12:39 am
Sounds like a fair deal and you were taken care of.Thats why we have warranty's.
Good on BMW.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 23, 2014, 08:24:48 am
Anybody else have this problem?  Its on the left side under the air intake
Be more specific
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1190 on August 23, 2014, 11:59:13 am
Anybody else have this problem?  Its on the left side under the air intake
Be more specific
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 23, 2014, 12:18:35 pm
Have BMW replace it, not acceptable!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 23, 2014, 07:49:26 pm
Anybody else have this problem?  Its on the left side under the air intake

I don't see what the issue is? Hints?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 23, 2014, 09:07:30 pm
Anybody else have this problem?  Its on the left side under the air intake

I don't see what the issue is? Hints?

Just the gap. That's all
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on August 25, 2014, 12:12:20 am
Ah...mind the gap. I will check tomorrow if mine is also trying to imitate these modern skinny chicks with the gap, or if mine is toight like a toiger.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 25, 2014, 05:29:30 am
In other news, my poop scoop was replaced after some idiot drove into me. The old one as loose, and I was told it is normal. New one is abnormal and very unloos. I like the new one better, no movement. Dealer was full of BS..

:imaposer: now take the new one and store it in a safe place, not on the bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on August 25, 2014, 06:22:13 am
In other news, my poop scoop was replaced after some idiot drove into me. The old one as loose, and I was told it is normal. New one is abnormal and very unloos. I like the new one better, no movement. Dealer was full of BS..

Poop scoop?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on August 25, 2014, 07:15:25 am
In other news, my poop scoop was replaced after some idiot drove into me. The old one as loose, and I was told it is normal. New one is abnormal and very unloos. I like the new one better, no movement. Dealer was full of BS..

:imaposer: now take the new one and store it in a safe place, not on the bike.
+1
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on August 25, 2014, 09:00:41 am
In other news, my poop scoop was replaced after some idiot drove into me. The old one as loose, and I was told it is normal. New one is abnormal and very unloos. I like the new one better, no movement. Dealer was full of BS..

Poop scoop?

The black plastic device mounted on the GS/A behind the rear wheel which usually breaks off on the first proper dirt ride.

Best removed and stored in the garage.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on August 25, 2014, 10:48:37 am
In other news, my poop scoop was replaced after some idiot drove into me. The old one as loose, and I was told it is normal. New one is abnormal and very unloos. I like the new one better, no movement. Dealer was full of BS..

Poop scoop?

The black plastic device mounted on the GS/A behind the rear wheel which usually breaks off on the first proper dirt ride.

Best removed and stored in the garage.
Ahhh, thanks. Must say that I did many Km's offroad with my previous '08 GS and never had a problem with it, even though everyone suggested I take it off. But than, I didn't exactly ride it like a plastic.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on August 28, 2014, 06:23:40 am
Gents, I have removed all the irrelevant posts from the last few days - Please stay on topic and let's keep this thread as a technical and helpful thread with real issues and solutions ONLY - let's keep the other stuff for JOU MA please  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 28, 2014, 12:13:59 pm
Maybe I am just being stupid or ignorant, please bear with me.

Since I fitted the quick shifter to my bike, it has the tendency to die after it has been idling for a few minutes after I started it. Sometimes in 1st gear, it also feels as if the engine is spluttering, and not pulling strongly. Both these symptoms disappears after I slightly rev the bike??? Any ideas?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 28, 2014, 12:18:23 pm
I also fitted the shift assist but have not experienced any of the symptoms you are describing. That said remember that it is mostly managed by electronics and it may need to be set up again. I know they had to do mine multiple times before the were happy with the way it was working.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 28, 2014, 12:34:56 pm
Jan, I have now done about 2500km with the GSAP fitted. This includes running flat out on tar, cruising on dirt and riding trails in first gear.

No issues to report. Might be worth having them check it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on August 28, 2014, 02:15:02 pm
Yip, I will take it back, it sounds like a set up problem to me as well.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on August 31, 2014, 04:22:33 pm
Hulle moes vir jou gesÍ het dat jy die clutch moet in trek as jy stil staan  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on September 01, 2014, 08:01:05 am
 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Hulle moes vir jou gesÍ het dat jy die clutch moet in trek as jy stil staan  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on September 01, 2014, 07:43:01 pm
So today my left grip switch cluster stopped working
Took it into Donfords and was replaced quicksticks
Back on the road again within 2 hours

Donfords, again, did what they are supposed to do without ANY excuses

Not happy about the failure but satisfied with quicker than most would expect remedial action
Shane and Michael you really deserve a mention
Leon and Neil take note! These two guys, amongs others, are what makes your dealership great
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on September 01, 2014, 09:14:16 pm
So today my left grip switch cluster stopped working
Took it into Donfords and was replaced quicksticks
Back on the road again within 2 hours

Donfords, again, did what they are supposed to do without ANY excuses

Not happy about the failure but satisfied with quicker than most would expect remedial action
Shane and Michael you really deserve a mention
Leon and Neil take note! These two guys, amongs others, are what makes your dealership great

Benm that is why I still like the beemer.....it has got better backup service than any oither brand. And that boxer.......it is just so special,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on September 30, 2014, 07:00:44 am
Right,

So as I wrote a while ago, I had a couple of issues with the bike.  This has now all been sorted by the guys at Zambesi.  The following was fixed:

1. Instrument cluster replaced.
2. Gearbox replaced
3. Left & right grip clusters replaced

From my own calculations regarding part prices and labour, I estimate the cost of this to be in the region of 60-75K worth of work & parts.  Good thing it is still under warranty :)  But man oh man ..... she sure goes like the stink now  ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 08, 2014, 07:53:23 am
Last night fitted my bigger screen, bought from Gryshond. (Sorry for the late call Gryshond) The old screen cracked quite badly around the gromments, which is only visible after the screen has been removed. Anybody knows what the cause for this is?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 08, 2014, 08:46:44 am
Last night fitted my bigger screen, bought from Gryshond. (Sorry for the late call Gryshond) The old screen cracked quite badly around the gromments, which is only visible after the screen has been removed. Anybody knows what the cause for this is?
Yes, bad design. But BMW is replacing all of them with the newly developed brackets, mahala. Mine was done a few months ago.

Get the new brackets from them, or your new screen will also continue crack I think
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 08, 2014, 09:16:08 am
Last night fitted my bigger screen, bought from Gryshond. (Sorry for the late call Gryshond) The old screen cracked quite badly around the gromments, which is only visible after the screen has been removed. Anybody knows what the cause for this is?
Yes, bad design. But BMW is replacing all of them with the newly developed brackets, mahala. Mine was done a few months ago.

Get the new brackets from them, or your new screen will also continue crack I think
If the cracks are not visible without removing the brackets/screen, how does one know if your bike has the newest bracket design?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 08, 2014, 10:21:12 am
The brackets and the change, can not be seen, as they changed the internal functioning and fastening methods and inserted rubber grommets.

If yours is cracked, chances are 100% that you still have the old one, even though the cracks are only visible once the screen are taken off.

Take it to BMW to replace immediately before you put the new screen on  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 08, 2014, 10:41:03 am
I fitted the new screen, mine was fitted with rubber grommets? Are the new ones different?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 08, 2014, 10:45:21 am
I fitted the new screen, mine was fitted with rubber grommets? Are the new ones different?

Nee, dan is hy reg - kraak jou nuwe een weer?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 08, 2014, 11:05:59 am
Nee die standaard een het gekraak, maar die gromits was reeds geinstalleer op die standaard skerm.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 08, 2014, 11:29:41 am
Wel, my brackets en skerm is vervang. Op die oog af lyk die skerms identies, so ek weet nie regtig nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 08, 2014, 11:33:41 am
sal maar weer by Zambesi 'n draai moet gaan maak, sug
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on October 27, 2014, 05:17:49 pm
Geen ondervinding met lc nie maar klink vir my soos die range rover sport jy moet twee kry as jy n nuwe een koop dit is jammer om soveel negatiewe dinge oor so legendariese fiets te hoor

You're in the wrong thread. There's a lot of us not posting positives all the time since we are actually riding, covering great distances on tar and gravel, and enjoying the bikes. http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=148533

I'm stuck in Riyadh. How's that for a problem?
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on October 27, 2014, 05:45:49 pm
There's a thread like this about most new bikes, no matter what brand.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 28, 2014, 09:07:50 am
Geen ondervinding met lc nie maar klink vir my soos die range rover sport jy moet twee kry as jy n nuwe een koop dit is jammer om soveel negatiewe dinge oor so legendariese fiets te hoor

Wel, jy moet darem ook al die drade lees oor al die goeie dinge wat met die fiets gedoen word. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 29, 2014, 01:31:16 pm
I will buy a LC again without hesitation. It is an excellent machine, capable of all roads witch I wish to travel,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 29, 2014, 01:35:40 pm
I will buy a LC again without hesitation. It is an excellent machine, capable of all roads witch I wish to travel,

+1000.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on October 29, 2014, 01:39:24 pm
Too soon to say..... Only done 2000km on the GSA, very little dirt ...... Will need a bit more time on it on dirt an tar to answer the question, but mightely impressed thus far.......
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 29, 2014, 01:44:16 pm
I will buy a LC again without hesitation. It is an excellent machine, capable of all roads witch I wish to travel,

+1000.
:thumleft: :thumleft:
Did the passes around Memel, Muller, Normandien and some more towards Golden Gate
Did this 2-up fully loaded with camping gear in Trax paniers and topbox on original Anakee III tyres

This bike handled like a dream, I think it is even better 2-up than with single rider.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 29, 2014, 01:52:52 pm
There's no denying that the LC has had its fair share of issues.

But.

I am not aware of any known issues that have not been addressed. As a developer myself I understand all the intricacies of testing a product, till the testing procedures start running out of your ears. You test every variant of situations you can think of, and yet when you release it you will find untested issues. Maybe the design parameters were wrong, maybe a bit underestimated, maybe whatever. The point is, the LC is brand new, and the design took very very little over from the previous generations. So there are bound to be some issues, and these issues will feed back into the design cycle and the next one will be better, while at the same time fixing the current one by way of recalls if warranted.

I know of no product (as complex as this, off course) that has been released and never had improvements made afterwards.

I for one am happy with my LC, issues and all, and I would happily spend that money again on the same bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 29, 2014, 10:51:52 pm
My linkerkantste skakelaar module moet vervang word. Op bestelling by BMW vir hopelik Vrydag.

Speedcruise se "resume" het opgehou werk, en die skakelaar wat fluktueer tussen al die informasie haak vas.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on October 29, 2014, 11:05:31 pm
My linkerkantste skakelaar module moet vervang word. Op bestelling by BMW vir hopelik Vrydag.

Speedcruise se "resume" het opgehou werk, en die skakelaar wat fluktueer tussen al die informasie haak vas.

Ag nee man! Ek hoop hulle kan dit vir jou vinnig en 'pynloos' uitsorteer
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 30, 2014, 05:35:24 am
Gelukkig kan ek sÍ met oortuiging dat ek nog geen probleme hoegenaamd gehad het met hulle om enigiets te vervang nie - dit is regtig uitstekend en bemoedigend dat hulle sonder boe of ba net vervang as jy kla.

Dit hoef nie die beste fiets op die mark te wees nie, maar die feit dat jy nooit sukkel met hulle om enigiets te vervang nie, maak my doodseker dat dit die beste opsie is om 'n BMW te ry. Hulle naverkoop diens is uit die boonste rakke !!!

Tot dusver het hulle my skerm vervang, en nou hierdie probleempie met die skakelaar. Verder het ek geen groot issues gehad nie.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 30, 2014, 09:02:19 am
Gents - I have cleaned up the thread somewhat - I will not ask again - please keep to the topic !!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 30, 2014, 10:34:30 am
Back on topic then, apart from the screen cracks, what problems has anyone experienced with the 2014?

Let's start and maintain a list:
1. Screen cracked - Replaced and new grommets fitted
2.
3.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 30, 2014, 10:41:17 am
ESA stopped working twice, but after restart was fine. Did not happen again.

Left cluster to be replaced. Almost like the spring action is worn out on the various buttons
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TVB on October 30, 2014, 10:44:41 am
Gelukkig kan ek sÍ met oortuiging dat ek nog geen probleme hoegenaamd gehad het met hulle om enigiets te vervang nie - dit is regtig uitstekend en bemoedigend dat hulle sonder boe of ba net vervang as jy kla.

Dit hoef nie die beste fiets op die mark te wees nie, maar die feit dat jy nooit sukkel met hulle om enigiets te vervang nie, maak my doodseker dat dit die beste opsie is om 'n BMW te ry. Hulle naverkoop diens is uit die boonste rakke !!!

Tot dusver het hulle my skerm vervang, en nou hierdie probleempie met die skakelaar. Verder het ek geen groot issues gehad nie.  :thumleft:

That is why I haven't removed a GS800 from my shortlist when I'm buying next year. Just because of back up service better than I have seen at any other manufacturer ever before. I like the idea of the new wire spoked DL650 that comes out next year, I have used one as a work bike for a year. They are brilliant, but we had issues with after-sales service. Aftersales service will be a deal breaker for many bikers out there.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 30, 2014, 10:45:39 am
I will make the list for us as soon as we have more contributions and maintain it. Maybe also post km on when it happened, symptoms where applicable and fixes. Also, how long you waited for it to be fixed, where it was fixed, and all further relevant info.

That would give us a good database to refer any dealer to ?

Also, if you know of other incidents of people not on this forum, post them as well, or if it is on another forum, post the link as well.

Please help me and work with me so that this can be a work of reference for all of us. I will also make this a sticky for us
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 30, 2014, 10:56:47 am
That is why I haven't removed a GS800 from my shortlist when I'm buying next year.

:thumleft: I bought my son the new f800. Great bike overall and no issues I know about.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 30, 2014, 11:50:29 am
Suspension resets itself after startup (while still in Neutral, before moving off) by lowering all the way then raising up again. Issue still open... Happened 5 times in the 4500km's...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on October 30, 2014, 01:17:05 pm
My GSA is on 15000 km and on its 4th back tyre
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 30, 2014, 01:28:00 pm
My GSA is on 15000 km and on its 4th back tyre

You seem to be getting great mileage :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 30, 2014, 08:18:38 pm
Back on topic then, apart from the screen cracks, what problems has anyone experienced with the 2014?

Let's start and maintain a list:
1. Screen cracked - Replaced and new grommets fitted
2.
3.

Mine at 6000km = No issues
Wife's at 16 000km = No issues
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 31, 2014, 07:05:28 am
Ek het n moerse probleem met my LC........... ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 31, 2014, 07:09:07 am
Ek het n moerse probleem met my LC........... ??? ??? ??? ???

Nou moet ons eers vra ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 31, 2014, 07:30:24 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 31, 2014, 07:31:55 am
Stuur hom vir my- ek is juis besig om heeltemal te veel kilos te vinnig op te sit
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 31, 2014, 08:57:24 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 31, 2014, 08:58:52 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand

Dink BMW moet n recall of iets doen, miskien overheat die bikes omdat hulle te lean loop
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 31, 2014, 09:46:24 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand

Dink BMW moet n recall of iets doen, miskien overheat die bikes omdat hulle te lean loop

Ek dink dit moet 'n total recall op al hul bikes wees, dit kan BAIE gevaarlik wees. Kan nie glo dat 'n brand soos BMW nie hieraan kon gedink het nie! Ek is seker Yamaha's het hierdie probleem reeds in die 80's geadresseer!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2014, 11:06:27 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand

Ek was eenkeer in n BMW handelaar, en daai reuk is alomteenwoordig. :pot:

Sorry, kon nie help nie. :xxbah:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 31, 2014, 11:09:11 am
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand

Ek was eenkeer in n BMW handelaar, en daai reuk is alomteenwoordig. :pot:

Sorry, kon nie help nie. :xxbah:
Dis hoekom almal so met hulle neuse in die lug loop........oor die reuk
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2014, 11:09:58 am
Hoekom staan die LC's so en stof opgaar, daar fout met hulle?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2014, 11:10:39 am
Hoekom staan die LC's so en stof opgaar, daar fout met hulle?

Edit: Ek terg net, Draadwerk moet maar weer kom skoonmaak.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 31, 2014, 11:29:14 am
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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2014, 11:36:13 am
Sorry Draadwerk.

Ek verstaan jy probeer die thread skoon hou, maar dit gaan net werk as die LC eienaars ook dieselfde doen.

Die oomblik wat een ou spot/sarkasties raak word dit open season hier op die forum.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 31, 2014, 11:37:09 am
Sorry Draadwerk.

Ek verstaan jy probeer die thread skoon hou, maar dit gaan net werk as die LC eienaars ook dieselfde doen.

Die oomblik wat een ou spot/sarkasties raak word dit open season hier op die forum.

Hehehehe. No worries man 😃
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 31, 2014, 12:26:24 pm
Sorry Draadwerk.

Ek verstaan jy probeer die thread skoon hou, maar dit gaan net werk as die LC eienaars ook dieselfde doen.

Die oomblik wat een ou spot/sarkasties raak word dit open season hier op die forum.

Nou voel ek kak >:(

Sorry Draad!

Behalwe vir die nuwe ratkas- niks verander aan crap gearshift nie

Nuwe clutch-  niks verander aan crap gearshift nie

Nume slave silinder oop clutch- niks verander aan crap gearshift nie

Die recalibration op ESA het die bike net harder laat ry en travel agter minder gemaak, vorige weergawe was beter

Traction control liggie het aan gekom vir geen rede, alles het nog gewerk, Ek het dit self gereset. BMW kon geen error code sien nie

verder het ek geen probleme gehad nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on October 31, 2014, 01:00:42 pm
Goeiemiddag Mnr Draadwerk

Ek vra hiermee nederig onverskoning vir my gedrag  >:D

Ek het geen probleme nadat die gearshift uitgesort was nie, ek moes ook aan dit gewoont raak.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 31, 2014, 01:27:12 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/31/dcbf1cf1d48f44177b162cb8cf4dce38.jpg)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2014, 07:10:06 pm
Ja, my aanmerking was ook net n once-off special, krap nooit op die bike-specifics nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 10, 2014, 04:28:37 pm
BMW replaced the left instrument cluster on Friday. According to the mech this unit will set you back about R6,5 K when out of warranty. Scary ! 😖
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 10, 2014, 04:33:22 pm
Ek dink ek het agtergekom hoekom my linkerkant cluster partymaal nie werk nie. Ek maak my bike met Mr Min skoon, en dit lyk my is die oorsaak, elke keer as ek die cluster met Mr Min bykom, dan werk dit vir 'n ruk nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 10, 2014, 04:35:02 pm
Gebruik eerder net WD40. Dit smeer en maak skoon
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 10, 2014, 04:35:48 pm
Sal dit probeer. Trek dit nie vreeslik stof aan nie. Die voordeel van Mr Min is dat dit anti staties is, en dus keer dat stof aanpak.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 10, 2014, 04:56:05 pm
Ag wat, als trek maar stof jong. Maar ek dink tog dis beter as MrMin
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zacapa on November 11, 2014, 12:01:20 am
28 pages of longwinded problems about the new LC. Must be a record  for a bike that has been for sale on the SA market for less than 2 years.
Don't get me wrong - thinking that when BMW gets their QC act together this will be a machine to keep for the long run. Mostly worried about the
tyre wear - I get 2.5K km out of a rear on a XR650L with mostly offroad and a bit of on road riding. My roadbike the NC700X gets about 12K km out
of the rear rubber. What is the rear tyre mileage like when you are not hanging on the gas all the time?

Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 11, 2014, 05:09:10 am
28 pages of longwinded problems about the new LC. Must be a record  for a bike that has been for sale on the SA market for less than 2 years.
Don't get me wrong - thinking that when BMW gets their QC act together this will be a machine to keep for the long run. Mostly worried about the
tyre wear - I get 2.5K km out of a rear on a XR650L with mostly offroad and a bit of on road riding. My roadbike the NC700X gets about 12K km out
of the rear rubber. What is the rear tyre mileage like when you are not hanging on the gas all the time?

Firstly, if you read the 28 pages you will find very few problems actually experienced by the owners and riders. In fact, just read the first three pages and see who posts, actually rather informative :deal:

Regarding tyre wear, the LC will eat a Karoo 3 rear in less than 2000km. My personal best is 5000km and I know of riders who do more commuting doing 6500km. I would guess the TKC80 will do the same.

If you run Anakee 3 or Trail Attack you should get a little more, not sure you'll see 10000km though. Draadwerk?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on November 11, 2014, 05:44:15 am
Ek kry nie meer as 3000 uit n tyre nie.Ek geniet dit eerder vir 3000 as wat ek my bike moet stoot vir 5000 km
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 11, 2014, 07:17:45 am
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on November 11, 2014, 07:34:17 am
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

My Anakee 3's starting to show some wear after a bit of enthusiastic off road riding. Under 3000km..... but let's face it, the LC  encourages the hooligan (add the Akra pipe and it's even worse  >:D) in all of us and will inevitably suffer from increased tyre wear, fuelconsumption and brakepad wear. I can live with that.... :thumleft: I've not had any problem with the bike, but to be fair, it's still early days for me.

Anyone with experience of TKC 80's on the bike? Looking to fit a set for a 10 day trip next year......
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BennNevis on November 12, 2014, 01:20:54 pm
My Anakee3s has managed 12.5k with another circa 2K left
Mostly tar riding
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on November 12, 2014, 02:04:57 pm
My Anakee3s has managed 12.5k with another circa 2K left
Mostly tar riding

I'm on 3300km's now (Anakee 3's fitted) and I can hardly see any wear - they look pretty much brand new still.
My bike is used purely for commuting though.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 12, 2014, 02:09:35 pm
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

My Anakee 3's starting to show some wear after a bit of enthusiastic off road riding. Under 3000km..... but let's face it, the LC  encourages the hooligan (add the Akra pipe and it's even worse  >:D) in all of us and will inevitably suffer from increased tyre wear, fuelconsumption and brakepad wear. I can live with that.... :thumleft: I've not had any problem with the bike, but to be fair, it's still early days for me.

Anyone with experience of TKC 80's on the bike? Looking to fit a set for a 10 day trip next year......

My TKC 80 rear lasted about 4 000 km's
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: paulb on November 12, 2014, 04:49:10 pm
As jy 4000 km op n TKC kry , sal jy 8000 km op n Anakee kry . Ek kry net 5000 uit die Anakee en Tourance Next.
Die Trail Attack 2 klou die beste op teer en gee die meeste km , jy behoor maklik 10000 km op hom te kry.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 12, 2014, 05:16:32 pm
As jy 4000 km op n TKC kry , sal jy 8000 km op n Anakee kry . Ek kry net 5000 uit die Anakee en Tourance Next.
Die Trail Attack 2 klou die beste op teer en gee die meeste km , jy behoor maklik 10000 km op hom te kry.

Maar Trail Attack is die slegste band ooit in die reen. Hierdie tyd van die jaar wanneer ons baie reen kry moet jy hom nie koop nie. Koop iets anders en as dit tyd is om te vervang is die reen seisoen verby en kan jy TA2 opsit. IMHO...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on November 12, 2014, 05:29:07 pm
Agge nee 3's op 1100 11000km en kan nog so 2000 doen.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GYRO RATFINK on November 18, 2014, 07:59:08 am
Just got back from Clarens on my 2012 Adv gs. My mate on his new LC 1200(7000 kms). Got home near Durban his LC dripping (spraying) oil. Leak was coming from just behind his rear break foot rest. He also could feel the gears not engaging prperly. Anyway the dealer has it,so will see what happens??????
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on November 18, 2014, 08:10:28 am
Just got back from Clarens on my 2012 Adv gs. My mate on his new LC 1200(7000 kms). Got home near Durban his LC dripping (spraying) oil. Leak was coming from just behind his rear break foot rest. He also could feel the gears not engaging prperly. Anyway the dealer has it,so will see what happens??????
I recall there being a problem with a gearbox oil seal that tended to pop out, apparently a bracket was made to retain the seal better. Maybe related? I'd love to hear the outcome here, please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 18, 2014, 08:40:31 am
Just got back from Clarens on my 2012 Adv gs. My mate on his new LC 1200(7000 kms). Got home near Durban his LC dripping (spraying) oil. Leak was coming from just behind his rear break foot rest. He also could feel the gears not engaging prperly. Anyway the dealer has it,so will see what happens??????

Do you know what year model he has?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on November 18, 2014, 03:01:51 pm
Just got back from Clarens on my 2012 Adv gs. My mate on his new LC 1200(7000 kms). Got home near Durban his LC dripping (spraying) oil. Leak was coming from just behind his rear break foot rest. He also could feel the gears not engaging prperly. Anyway the dealer has it,so will see what happens??????

Do you know what year model he has?
With 7000 it is most probably a 2014. But I really hope not, as this problem is supposed to have been sorted on the 2014's.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on November 18, 2014, 04:50:29 pm
Just got back from Clarens on my 2012 Adv gs. My mate on his new LC 1200(7000 kms). Got home near Durban his LC dripping (spraying) oil. Leak was coming from just behind his rear break foot rest. He also could feel the gears not engaging prperly. Anyway the dealer has it,so will see what happens??????

Do you know what year model he has?
With 7000 it is most probably a 2014. But I really hope not, as this problem is supposed to have been sorted on the 2014's.

Party ouens het die bike vir 5 jaar voordat hulle 10 000 K's gedoen het
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GYRO RATFINK on November 19, 2014, 08:30:49 am
Its a 2012 and from what I have heard its a bolt that came loose on the starter motor?????
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 19, 2014, 08:50:38 am
2012 LC? Was only launched in 2013 ???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on November 19, 2014, 10:41:42 am
Its a 2012 and from what I have heard its a bolt that came loose on the starter motor?????
The 2013 model had an issue with a bolt loosening at the starter motor, from what I understood it is what caused the timing chain failures. Not related to the oil issue, I think, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GYRO RATFINK on November 19, 2014, 01:12:22 pm
Correct...2013
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Muddog on December 14, 2014, 07:36:30 am
Hi all, did a trip to Richtersveld and Namibia last week.  Mate's 1200 LC got stuck in sand. He tried to spin it out, after about 3-4 meters the clutch gave in.
 Are there any known problems regarding the clutch on the new bikes.
It is a 2014  model with 6000km on.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: charliepappa on December 14, 2014, 09:38:54 am
Did he switch off the traction control etc??  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Muddog on December 14, 2014, 10:05:07 am
Yes it was switched off. The clutch just stopped working. Bike could still go into gear but clutch did not release.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on December 14, 2014, 10:11:05 am
Daai KTM wat n LC sleep, jy weet daai foto kan nog n legend word  :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Muddog on December 14, 2014, 10:21:52 am
Sand was bietjie dik vir sleep op stukke, het bike toe op n bakkie gelaai later.  BMW assist het bakkie gestuur.
Maar ja,dit is n classic foto. Definitief n keeper!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Mzee on December 14, 2014, 10:56:26 am
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

I know of a friend who rides a BMW 1200 who got 41,000km out of the anakee III.  How do you folks ride to get only 2000kms?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on December 14, 2014, 11:03:09 am
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

I know of a friend who rides a BMW 1200 who got 41,000km out of the anakee III.  How do you folks ride to get only 2000kms?

No no no no, rather ask how he gets 41 000km ?? I want to know how HE rides to get that milage  :pot:

Most I got on a Anakee was 5000km, rear one.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on December 14, 2014, 03:47:56 pm
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

I know of a friend who rides a BMW 1200 who got 41,000km out of the anakee III.  How do you folks ride to get only 2000kms?

Shall I be the first to call bullshit? ;-)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on December 14, 2014, 07:58:13 pm
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

I know of a friend who rides a BMW 1200 who got 41,000km out of the anakee III.  How do you folks ride to get only 2000kms?

No no no no, rather ask how he gets 41 000km ?? I want to know how HE rides to get that milage  :pot:

Most I got on a Anakee was 5000km, rear one.
:deal:
Dit was seker 'n tydsame en vervelige 41 000 km gewees, as hy soveel op 'n band kry wonder watse great fuel consumpsion run die ou.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on January 02, 2015, 09:49:55 pm
Mag ek tog nie so verveeld wees om soveel km uit n tyre te kry nie.


Hyt hom seker gestoot.Dink daar was n tikfout met daai km.


Dink ook dis BULLSHIT
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 03, 2015, 07:07:06 am
I have the trail attack 2 on now for almost 2000 k's. I cant see any wear on them yet. They are almost still brand new. Think at this rate they will give me at least 10 000

I know of a friend who rides a BMW 1200 who got 41,000km out of the anakee III.  How do you folks ride to get only 2000kms?

No no no no, rather ask how he gets 41 000km ?? I want to know how HE rides to get that milage  :pot:

Most I got on a Anakee was 5000km, rear one.
:deal:
Dit was seker 'n tydsame en vervelige 41 000 km gewees, as hy soveel op 'n band kry wonder watse great fuel consumpsion run die ou.

My wife managed 34000km on a Metzeler Tourance on the rear of her 09 1200GS.  Her average fuel consumption on that bike was around 4.7l/100.  I kno whow she rides.  To get 41000km, I am sure the oke carried the bike over his shoulder!   :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: GYRO RATFINK on January 05, 2015, 10:57:36 am
A friend of mine is complaining about excessive heat coming up from the right hand side of his brand new gs 1200 lc adv. Is this a common problem?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on January 05, 2015, 11:00:59 am
Hi all, did a trip to Richtersveld and Namibia last week.  Mate's 1200 LC got stuck in sand. He tried to spin it out, after about 3-4 meters the clutch gave in.
 Are there any known problems regarding the clutch on the new bikes.
It is a 2014  model with 6000km on.
I'm also worried about mine. After my 2014 GS had to do some work in Lesotho its behaviour changed. Sometimes taking earlier than later and not predictable. I have a feeling I will be having clutch problems in the future.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on January 05, 2015, 11:49:30 am
Hi all, did a trip to Richtersveld and Namibia last week.  Mate's 1200 LC got stuck in sand. He tried to spin it out, after about 3-4 meters the clutch gave in.
 Are there any known problems regarding the clutch on the new bikes.
It is a 2014  model with 6000km on.
I'm also worried about mine. After my 2014 GS had to do some work in Lesotho its behaviour changed. Sometimes taking earlier than later and not predictable. I have a feeling I will be having clutch problems in the future.

Mine is now struggling more than before to go into neutral. I could always find it with some stroke of luck, but these days almost never. I have a feeling I am also headed for a bigger problem very soon.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 05, 2015, 11:53:04 am
I'm also worried about mine. After my 2014 GS had to do some work in Lesotho its behaviour changed. Sometimes taking earlier than later and not predictable. I have a feeling I will be having clutch problems in the future.

Mine did this from day 1.  Takes closer to the handle bar when cold.  But my 09 did the same and so did my 08 DL1000, so it doesn't really concern me much.  I sort of accepted it had something to do with the temperature of the clutch fluid or some such clever thing.

A friend of mine is complaining about excessive heat coming up from the right hand side of his brand new gs 1200 lc adv. Is this a common problem?

I am not sure that this is a problem.  I have found on my LC that I feel engine heat more than I did on my previous AC model.  The design of the LC causes met to sit with my leg more over the engine than I did on the previous model. The right side cylinder is a tad closer to you than the left hand side one as well and the fan is on the right side radiator.  I would expect more heat from the right.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TCS on January 05, 2015, 12:00:06 pm
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: NeelsK on January 05, 2015, 08:17:19 pm
Second gearbox. Replaced at 38k due to defective bearing thingy (proper, mechanical term ;)).
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on January 05, 2015, 08:42:56 pm
Omdat ek nie meer kans kry om my LC te ry nie bou die stof kwaai op op die motor, as ek hom start en hy word warm ruik dit soos iets wat brand. Was by  BMW en hulle se ek moet net meer met die bike ry...... ??? ???

Dalk is hulle reg

Ek het dieselfde probleem Slaaiblaar, daai stof ruik baie sleg as dit brand

 :sip: Maar hoekom raak die bike so warm???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on January 05, 2015, 08:53:01 pm
 :sip: Ok, net 'n joke, ne! :lamer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on January 05, 2015, 10:34:19 pm
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....

Jy diesel olie ingegooi  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 05, 2015, 10:38:46 pm
:sip: Maar hoekom raak die bike so warm???

Die bike het 'n petrol enjin.  Jy smyt die petrol bo in die tenk in.  Dan loop dit in die enjin in waar dit met 'n moerse slag ontplof.  Die ding is net petrol enjins is nie lekker effektief nie. Die blÍrrie ding werk net deur chemiese energie, dis nou daai petrol waarvan ek gepraat het, in meganiese energie te verander.  Hierdie meganiese energie is 'n lekker ding want dit dryf die wiel en die motorfiets beweeg.  Daarsonder het jy 'n baiesukkel gehad, nie 'n motorfiets nie.  Ongelukkig kan net so biekie van die chemiese energie omgetert word in daai lekker meganiese energie.  Die oorblywende baie word hitte.  Sommer netso!  Dis hoekom 'n bike so warm raak, ja.   Hierdie is die resultaat van die welbekende tweede wet van termodinamika.

Wel dit, of dis omdat die ding aan die brand geslaan het.  Hierdie is die resultaat van 'n vuurhoutjie innie petrol tenk oor die ding alweer gebreek het.



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on January 06, 2015, 09:32:14 am
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....

Jy diesel olie ingegooi  :imaposer:

You joke hey...... A friend of mine going through Lesotho, with his 2013 LC, put about any oil he could get into that motor after putting a few holes into the sides of the pods and patched the holes with pratley putty. I'm eagerly awaiting what BMW is going to say.
I think he used some sort of Engen oil for old engines and some other semi-synthetic oil he found in Thaba-Tseka.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 06, 2015, 12:05:28 pm
You joke hey...... A friend of mine going through Lesotho, with his 2013 LC, put about any oil he could get into that motor after putting a few holes into the sides of the pods and patched the holes with pratley putty. I'm eagerly awaiting what BMW is going to say.
I think he used some sort of Engen oil for old engines and some other semi-synthetic oil he found in Thaba-Tseka.

Personally I think we are making way too much noise about the LC and its recommended oil.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TCS on January 06, 2015, 12:10:12 pm
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....

Jy diesel olie ingegooi  :imaposer:
Nee clutch het net nie lekker gelos nie .... ek was duitsland toe vir n week en my bike by Bavarian gaan los om die clutch te stel... Toe ek terug kom het ek n nuwe motor en ratkas... en nogal n adventure nuwe spec ratkas.... baie lekker nou!!!!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 06, 2015, 12:26:57 pm
Nee clutch het net nie lekker gelos nie .... ek was duitsland toe vir n week en my bike by Bavarian gaan los om die clutch te stel... Toe ek terug kom het ek n nuwe motor en ratkas... en nogal n adventure nuwe spec ratkas.... baie lekker nou!!!!!

Jinne!  Dis 'n lekker verassing!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on January 06, 2015, 03:39:47 pm
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....

Jy diesel olie ingegooi  :imaposer:
Nee clutch het net nie lekker gelos nie .... ek was duitsland toe vir n week en my bike by Bavarian gaan los om die clutch te stel... Toe ek terug kom het ek n nuwe motor en ratkas... en nogal n adventure nuwe spec ratkas.... baie lekker nou!!!!!
Nice! Maar ek wonder wat die verskil is tussen die gewone and adventure ratkas? Ek weet die enjin verskil (swaarder flywheel) maar nie voorheen gehoor van ratkas verskille nie. Weet jy dalk?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 21, 2015, 03:10:09 pm
How many LC's on this here forum are on their second motor and gearbox?

My 2013 LC motor and gearbox got replaced on 9000km.....

Jy diesel olie ingegooi  :imaposer:
Nee clutch het net nie lekker gelos nie .... ek was duitsland toe vir n week en my bike by Bavarian gaan los om die clutch te stel... Toe ek terug kom het ek n nuwe motor en ratkas... en nogal n adventure nuwe spec ratkas.... baie lekker nou!!!!!
Nice! Maar ek wonder wat die verskil is tussen die gewone and adventure ratkas? Ek weet die enjin verskil (swaarder flywheel) maar nie voorheen gehoor van ratkas verskille nie. Weet jy dalk?

Die GSA het ekstra demper tussen die enjin en ratkas wat vibrasie minder maak. Ek weet nie van ander verskille nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on February 01, 2015, 06:35:21 am
So I've now had both control clusters replaced. They figure her tendency to refuse the happy button is not the battery, but the switch itself.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Inverted on February 04, 2015, 04:31:43 pm
Secunda tot Johannesberg.... het dit nie terug gemaak nie, glo waterpompseel moertoe >:(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 04, 2015, 04:46:58 pm
Secunda tot Johannesberg.... het dit nie terug gemaak nie, glo waterpompseel moertoe >:(

Dit is slegte nuus! Hoeveel k's het jou fiets gedoen? Enige enjin skade?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on February 05, 2015, 12:20:38 pm
My GSA se regter screen bracket het gekalf.Voorste een waar hy af gaan na die slider toe.41 in voorraad by BMW SA.

Wonder nogal hoekom? :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 05, 2015, 12:27:10 pm
My GSA se regter screen bracket het gekalf.Voorste een waar hy af gaan na die slider toe.41 in voorraad by BMW SA.

Wonder nogal hoekom? :pot:

Het jy nou vir Groenie ook op sy rug laat lÍ? :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Inverted on February 05, 2015, 07:25:11 pm
Secunda tot Johannesberg.... het dit nie terug gemaak nie, glo waterpompseel moertoe >:(

Dit is slegte nuus! Hoeveel k's het jou fiets gedoen? Enige enjin skade?

Gelukkig nie, die water het begin uitstoot deur die tell-tale gat in die blok.  Reggemaak onder waarborg.  15000km
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 05, 2015, 08:33:18 pm
Secunda tot Johannesberg.... het dit nie terug gemaak nie, glo waterpompseel moertoe >:(

Pauli se LC het ook 'n waterpomp seŽl verloor so paar maande terug.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Walter ZSA on February 05, 2015, 08:44:03 pm
My GSA se regter screen bracket het gekalf.Voorste een waar hy af gaan na die slider toe.41 in voorraad by BMW SA.

Wonder nogal hoekom? :pot:

Het jy nou vir Groenie ook op sy rug laat lÍ? :imaposer:
Nee jou nar.bietjie rof gery die naweek.Was in Dirkiesdorp  se berge in gewees
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: nielvn on February 05, 2015, 09:50:01 pm
Previous k51 had 10k on, no clutch or gearbox issue, current one is on 3k, no issues thus far
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 06, 2015, 01:45:36 pm
Previous k51 had 10k on, no clutch or gearbox issue, current one is on 3k, no issues thus far

My 2014 K50 is now on 20000 with no issues.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 06, 2015, 02:04:32 pm
Secunda tot Johannesberg.... het dit nie terug gemaak nie, glo waterpompseel moertoe >:(

Dit is slegte nuus! Hoeveel k's het jou fiets gedoen? Enige enjin skade?

Gelukkig nie, die water het begin uitstoot deur die tell-tale gat in die blok.  Reggemaak onder waarborg.  15000km

Dit is goed om te hoor. Enige voorkomende maatreels wat mens kan tref om dit te verhoed? Kan nogals ongerieflik wees as dit in die middel van nerens gebeur!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: nielvn on February 09, 2015, 08:02:12 pm
Bliksem ek het gedog ek is swaar op bikes, dit is tot dat ek hierdie threat gelees het.......... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on February 09, 2015, 08:39:51 pm
Ek hoor my agterwiel maak skuur geluid as ek hom stoot in neutral. Eerste keer wat ek dit hoor.  Het dit dalk iets met die brieke te doen?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on February 09, 2015, 08:40:45 pm
Bliksem ek het gedog ek is swaar op bikes, dit is tot dat ek hierdie threat gelees het.......... :imaposer:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on February 10, 2015, 06:17:18 am
Ek hoor my agterwiel maak skuur geluid as ek hom stoot in neutral. Eerste keer wat ek dit hoor.  Het dit dalk iets met die brieke te doen?
Hmmm, dalk ja. Sit hom op die main stand in nutraal en draai die wiel, miskien hoor jy waar die geluid vandaan kom. Laat ons weet, asb.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 10, 2015, 08:23:36 am
Dit is goed om te hoor. Enige voorkomende maatreels wat mens kan tref om dit te verhoed? Kan nogals ongerieflik wees as dit in die middel van nerens gebeur!

Daar is niks wat mens kan doen om dit te voorkom nie en is maar 'n basiese kwaal wat met enige waterverkoelde enjin kan gebeur.  Die dat daar die "tell tale" gaatjie is waar die water uitlek om te wys dit het gebeur.   
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 10, 2015, 08:40:32 am
Dit is goed om te hoor. Enige voorkomende maatreels wat mens kan tref om dit te verhoed? Kan nogals ongerieflik wees as dit in die middel van nerens gebeur!

Daar is niks wat mens kan doen om dit te voorkom nie en is maar 'n basiese kwaal wat met enige waterverkoelde enjin kan gebeur.  Die dat daar die "tell tale" gaatjie is waar die water uitlek om te wys dit het gebeur.   

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: plaky on February 11, 2015, 10:29:13 am
I got the 1st LC that was delivered from Donford on the Sat morning of the launch. I picked up a steering oscillation/wobble at 2000km. I spoke to Donford and the bike went 5 times for them to check it out. Eventually I video'd it and sent to Donford who in turn sent to Jhb. At this stage my bike was on around 12000km. I commute with my bike every day so I clock up a fair amount of km. After some too and fro with Jhb BMW SA agreed to do a buy back on my bike and gave me a new one, at that stage I 14000km on the clock. During that 14 months they replaced the switch clusters on both sides as my high beam switch was faulty. I had to replace my brake pads at 10000km. I got my new 2014 LC Aug last year, and to date no real issues. There is still a slight steering oscillation /wobble, but not as bad as my 2013 bike. I did about three weeks ago a problem with the bike with hard starting, motor turned but did not fire 1st time. I took it to Shane in Cape Town and he reset everything and all is now ok. I have from time to time a false neutral happening if I don't kick hard enough when selecting a gear, not sure if anyone else is experiencing this. To be honest all my mates warned me buying a brand new model with all its teething problems but it was such an improvement on my 09 bike and hung in there. I am very happy with my 2014 LC and rides better than the 2013 model. Smoother and the low down power seems better. Combined LC mileage is now just over 20 000km.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on February 11, 2015, 10:47:43 am
I'm now on 8500km, and I have twice experienced the false neutral when going from 4th to 5th. But also, I know that both times I did not kick hard enough, as I changed I instinctively knew I slipped in between gears even before letting the clutch out.

Only other issue is the periodic reset of the suspension after starting. To date Motorrad just shake their head and don't know what causes it, and what to do about it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 11, 2015, 10:55:53 am
I also regularly get a false neutral, probably more of a rider issue than the bike
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on February 11, 2015, 11:51:14 am
Ek hoor my agterwiel maak skuur geluid as ek hom stoot in neutral. Eerste keer wat ek dit hoor.  Het dit dalk iets met die brieke te doen?
Hmmm, dalk ja. Sit hom op die main stand in nutraal en draai die wiel, miskien hoor jy waar die geluid vandaan kom. Laat ons weet, asb.
Het dit gedoen. Beslis brieke wat skuur. Hulle is gedaan lyk my. Seker tyd vir nuwes na 16500 kilo's
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Frannarossi on February 11, 2015, 12:16:15 pm
Jislaaik maar die goed vreet briek blokke lyk dit my.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: plaky on February 11, 2015, 12:30:48 pm
I was told that false neutrals should not happen with this new gearbox, especially now that they come with a quick shifter. I can have one done as aftermarket, but would never consider it due to this. This can cause the gear box to give trouble at a later stage. I am going to report it to cover myself as I only have 6000km on the clock and less than a year old, the 2013 LC had gear box problems. Any other comments?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on February 11, 2015, 02:04:50 pm
... I am going to report it to cover myself as I only have ...
Good idea, I think I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Koet on February 11, 2015, 02:22:59 pm
Ek hoor my agterwiel maak skuur geluid as ek hom stoot in neutral. Eerste keer wat ek dit hoor.  Het dit dalk iets met die brieke te doen?
Hmmm, dalk ja. Sit hom op die main stand in nutraal en draai die wiel, miskien hoor jy waar die geluid vandaan kom. Laat ons weet, asb.
Het dit gedoen. Beslis brieke wat skuur. Hulle is gedaan lyk my. Seker tyd vir nuwes na 16500 kilo's

 :o  Dis min kilos! 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2015, 09:46:13 am
:o  Dis min kilos! 

My 2009 GS het selde soveel as 16000km op agterste remblokke gedoen.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on February 13, 2015, 11:05:28 am
Problems/incidents/funnies with my 2014 R1200GSA:

1. Radiator fan failure on Lesotho trip. Looked like a lose connection in the fan module. Mileage: around 5,000 km. replaced under warranty. About 5 weeks waiting for new part.
 
2. RH pod started to rattle/knock on Lesotho trip. PE dealer said it was normal. Since then bike serviced at Donfords and they haven't said anything about it either. Will ask them about it again today. Mileage: around 4,000 km

3. Clutch taking at different clutch lever positions after Lesotho trip. Mileage: after around 6,000 km

4. ESA unable to change setup from 1 helmet to two. Display flashed two helmets without making suspension changes from Knysna to Cape Town with multiple engine starts and stops. Mileage: 10,500 km. Problem resolved itself while riding into Cape Town. No errors found by Donford and has not happened again although I don't change the ESA much now days.

5. Trip/Info switch sticking when pressing on info section of switch. Mileage: 11,900 km. Querying Donford today about it if I can get to them.

6. Battling more and more to get bike into neutral. I think everyone is having this problem.

The bike is on about 11,900km with original brake pads. I put Karoo 3 tyres on about 7,500km ago. The rear is really looking sad now. I must admit, I thought the rear was going to be done by 5,000km but for some reason the last few mm of tyre seems to be hard wearing or the heat cycles that the tyre has obviously gone through now is affecting the tyre longevity.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2015, 04:09:18 pm
10500km. Required a little trailer ride with BMW-on-Call this morning.  According to Bavarian battery stuffed and will be replaced.  They will also replace the right hand switch cluster as the starter button is very sticky.  I can get the bike tomorrow.

So,  a record is down the tubes.  Between my wife and myself,  we covered in the vicinity of 250 000km on Beemers before a bike is required to stay overnight. Tonight is that night.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on February 25, 2015, 04:41:19 pm
Problems/incidents/funnies with my 2014 R1200GSA:

1. Radiator fan failure on Lesotho trip. Looked like a lose connection in the fan module. Mileage: around 5,000 km. replaced under warranty. About 5 weeks waiting for new part.
 
2. RH pod started to rattle/knock on Lesotho trip. PE dealer said it was normal. Since then bike serviced at Donfords and they haven't said anything about it either. Will ask them about it again today. Mileage: around 4,000 km

3. Clutch taking at different clutch lever positions after Lesotho trip. Mileage: after around 6,000 km

4. ESA unable to change setup from 1 helmet to two. Display flashed two helmets without making suspension changes from Knysna to Cape Town with multiple engine starts and stops. Mileage: 10,500 km. Problem resolved itself while riding into Cape Town. No errors found by Donford and has not happened again although I don't change the ESA much now days.

5. Trip/Info switch sticking when pressing on info section of switch. Mileage: 11,900 km. Querying Donford today about it if I can get to them.

6. Battling more and more to get bike into neutral. I think everyone is having this problem.

The bike is on about 11,900km with original brake pads. I put Karoo 3 tyres on about 7,500km ago. The rear is really looking sad now. I must admit, I thought the rear was going to be done by 5,000km but for some reason the last few mm of tyre seems to be hard wearing or the heat cycles that the tyre has obviously gone through now is affecting the tyre longevity.


Following up on my sticky trip/info switch. Donford said that it is a common problem and sprayed Q20 into the switch. I disagreed with the solution. Any problems with the switch and they can pay for a new one.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2015, 04:52:57 pm

Following up on my sticky trip/info switch. Donford said that it is a common problem and sprayed Q20 into the switch. I disagreed with the solution. Any problems with the switch and they can pay for a new one.

The quality of the switches are suspect.  Some have rather large gaps which will allow water and dust into the switch.  Dust + Q20 = problems pretty soon.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: luv2ride on February 25, 2015, 07:27:01 pm
My gat jeuk nou al lank, maar ek is nie meer so seker dŪe bikes met die Japenese flicker switches is die gehalte wat ek leer ken het nie..... :xxbah:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2015, 08:46:11 pm
My gat jeuk nou al lank, maar ek is nie meer so seker dŪe bikes met die Japenese flicker switches is die gehalte wat ek leer ken het nie..... :xxbah:

Dit is werklik 'n flippen nice fiets.   Die vorige model is 'n donkie by vergelyking,,  maar die kwaliteit is af.  Dis steeds baie goed,  maar nie so goed as op die vorige modelle nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on February 26, 2015, 09:35:49 am
The quality of the switches are suspect.  Some have rather large gaps which will allow water and dust into the switch.  Dust + Q20 = problems pretty soon.
+1
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on February 27, 2015, 05:21:24 am
My gat jeuk nou al lank, maar ek is nie meer so seker dŪe bikes met die Japenese flicker switches is die gehalte wat ek leer ken het nie..... :xxbah:

Daar is threads soos die oor enige nuwe bike op die mark.......
Myne foutloos sover, maar nog net 5000km gedoen, meestal teer.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on February 27, 2015, 10:53:30 am
My gat jeuk nou al lank, maar ek is nie meer so seker dŪe bikes met die Japenese flicker switches is die gehalte wat ek leer ken het nie..... :xxbah:

Die ding is dat dieselfde skete waarskynlik ook op die ander fietse in die BMW stal sal wees, want almal kry dieselfde skakelaars, ens.  Verstaan wel, dis 'n werklik ongelooflike fiets.  Die problem is, die kwaliteit van die vorige in die reeks het my bederf.

Daar is threads soos die oor enige nuwe bike op die mark.......
Myne foutloos sover, maar nog net 5000km gedoen, meestal teer.

Dis waar, maar dit bly 'n BMW, so of mens reg is, of nie, mens verwag beter.  My vrou se LC is amper op 20 000km foutloos.  Myne se battery en starter knoppie het opgepak op 10 000km.  Reuse frustrasie, maar BMW het onmiddelik en sonder kibbel herstel.  Die naverkoopdiens help darem.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Roarman on March 16, 2015, 09:48:37 am
Problems/incidents/funnies with my 2014 R1200GSA:

1. Radiator fan failure on Lesotho trip. Looked like a lose connection in the fan module. Mileage: around 5,000 km. replaced under warranty. About 5 weeks waiting for new part.
 
2. RH pod started to rattle/knock on Lesotho trip. PE dealer said it was normal. Since then bike serviced at Donfords and they haven't said anything about it either. Will ask them about it again today. Mileage: around 4,000 km

3. Clutch taking at different clutch lever positions after Lesotho trip. Mileage: after around 6,000 km

4. ESA unable to change setup from 1 helmet to two. Display flashed two helmets without making suspension changes from Knysna to Cape Town with multiple engine starts and stops. Mileage: 10,500 km. Problem resolved itself while riding into Cape Town. No errors found by Donford and has not happened again although I don't change the ESA much now days.

5. Trip/Info switch sticking when pressing on info section of switch. Mileage: 11,900 km. Querying Donford today about it if I can get to them.

6. Battling more and more to get bike into neutral. I think everyone is having this problem.

The bike is on about 11,900km with original brake pads. I put Karoo 3 tyres on about 7,500km ago. The rear is really looking sad now. I must admit, I thought the rear was going to be done by 5,000km but for some reason the last few mm of tyre seems to be hard wearing or the heat cycles that the tyre has obviously gone through now is affecting the tyre longevity.


Following up on my sticky trip/info switch. Donford said that it is a common problem and sprayed Q20 into the switch. I disagreed with the solution. Any problems with the switch and they can pay for a new one.
UPDATE:
LH switch cluster was replaced this morning under warranty . Cost to BMW, R5,100 for the part.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 17, 2015, 06:42:03 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 17, 2015, 07:05:55 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.

LK, ek stirr nie nou nie maar hou daarvan om ander brands se threads ook te lees en sodoende te weet wat aan gaan,

Ek lees nou hier jou engine is vervang op jou tweede LC, maar onder korreksie, het hulle nie ook jou eerste LC vervang met 'n ander een nie ?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 17, 2015, 07:09:43 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.
Genugtig. Ek het gelees van die Clutch nut issue, maar dis darem maar bad luck dat hierdie, sowel as die vorige timing chain issue met jou gebeur. Ek wonder net 'n paar goed...

1. Kon jy darem onder beheer die bike stop? Ek neem maar aan dit het gefaal terwyl jy gery het? Hopelik het jy nie geval of iets nie?
2. Wat gebeur met die kilometer lesing in so geval? Herstel hulle dit na 0 toe?
3. Ek neem aan jy't van voor af weer 'n waarborg op die nuwe enjin, en nie net wat oor is van jou vorige waarborg nie?

Maar bly om te hoor jy's darem weer opd ie been, as't ware.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 17, 2015, 07:43:37 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.

LK, ek stirr nie nou nie maar hou daarvan om ander brands se threads ook te lees en sodoende te weet wat aan gaan,

Ek lees nou hier jou engine is vervang op jou tweede LC, maar onder korreksie, het hulle nie ook jou eerste LC vervang met 'n ander een nie ?

Net so Jakkals, ek dink ek moet vir hulle begin toets ry. Twee totaal onverwante dog katastrofiese breuke.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 17, 2015, 07:47:46 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.
Genugtig. Ek het gelees van die Clutch nut issue, maar dis darem maar bad luck dat hierdie, sowel as die vorige timing chain issue met jou gebeur. Ek wonder net 'n paar goed...

1. Kon jy darem onder beheer die bike stop? Ek neem maar aan dit het gefaal terwyl jy gery het? Hopelik het jy nie geval of iets nie?
2. Wat gebeur met die kilometer lesing in so geval? Herstel hulle dit na 0 toe?
3. Ek neem aan jy't van voor af weer 'n waarborg op die nuwe enjin, en nie net wat oor is van jou vorige waarborg nie?

Maar bly om te hoor jy's darem weer opd ie been, as't ware.  :thumleft:

Die slag het ek 'n lekker kopskoonmaak draai gery en 100m van my huis af by 'n sirkel gewag met beide voete op die grond toe alle hel losbreek. Agterwiel het heel vasgeslaan en ek moes die fiets met geweld uit die pad sleep om plek te maak vir ander verkeer.

Aangaande die ander detail, ek moet dit nog aanspreek maar die KM lesing sal nie aangepas word nie en ek dink ook nie die waarborg nie.

Alles in ag geneem gee ek nie om nie, my fiets is weer heel. Ek begin egter wonder of ek die derde keer weer so gelukkig sal wees en of die volgende breuk dalk teen spoed gaan gebeur.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 17, 2015, 08:00:37 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.

LK, ek stirr nie nou nie maar hou daarvan om ander brands se threads ook te lees en sodoende te weet wat aan gaan,

Ek lees nou hier jou engine is vervang op jou tweede LC, maar onder korreksie, het hulle nie ook jou eerste LC vervang met 'n ander een nie ?

Net so Jakkals, ek dink ek moet vir hulle begin toets ry. Twee totaal onverwante dog katastrofiese breuke.

Ai, glad nie lekker nie,

Bly jy het niks oor gekom nie en hoop jy het beter luck met die derde een, en soos jy in jou post genoem het dat as so iets weer sou gebeur dit nie op spoed met jou gebeur nie.

Is daar enige waarskuwing waarna mens moet oplet of gebeur dit somer net ?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 17, 2015, 08:03:09 pm
Is ek naÔef of wat, maar as jy nuwe enjin en ratkas kry,  hoekom nie zero op kilo's ook nie? En waarborg van nuuts af op enjin en ratkas ten minste?

Ieder geval, bly jy smile weer LKM
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on March 18, 2015, 07:15:26 am
Is ek naÔef of wat, maar as jy nuwe enjin en ratkas kry,  hoekom nie zero op kilo's ook nie? En waarborg van nuuts af op enjin en ratkas ten minste?

Ieder geval, bly jy smile weer LKM

Ek dink nie hulle kan die kilos zero nie ..... n fiets bestaan uit meer as n enjin en ratkas. Dit sal die indruk skep dat die hele fiets splintenuut is.

Ja, hulle behoort die enjin en ratkas te waarborg asof nuut ... my 2c
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 18, 2015, 07:40:56 am
...
Alles in ag geneem gee ek nie om nie, my fiets is weer heel. Ek begin egter wonder of ek die derde keer weer so gelukkig sal wees en of die volgende breuk dalk teen spoed gaan gebeur.
Kyk, ek het agting vir die manier waarop BMW dinge hanteer. Deur Bavarian hier in Centurion ook altyd uitstekende diens. Maar daardie laaste deel van jou sin bly ook altyd in my kop, veral terwyl ek besig is om my seun te pillion.

Daar het mos hoeka so ruk terug iemand lelik seergekry hier naby PTA toe hulle agterwiel gesluit het teen spoed, met die ratkas wat gesluit het. Ek onthou dalk verkeerd, maar dink dit was ook dieselfde clutch-boud probleem.

Dalk moet ons die goed tot verby 25000km of so ry voor ons gerus raak, het nog nie gehoor van eniges wat probleme gee op daai kilos nie. Al die issues was altyd redelike lae kilos. Behalwe nou diť een van jou.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on March 18, 2015, 12:11:41 pm
...
Alles in ag geneem gee ek nie om nie, my fiets is weer heel. Ek begin egter wonder of ek die derde keer weer so gelukkig sal wees en of die volgende breuk dalk teen spoed gaan gebeur.
Kyk, ek het agting vir die manier waarop BMW dinge hanteer. Deur Bavarian hier in Centurion ook altyd uitstekende diens. Maar daardie laaste deel van jou sin bly ook altyd in my kop, veral terwyl ek besig is om my seun te pillion.

Daar het mos hoeka so ruk terug iemand lelik seergekry hier naby PTA toe hulle agterwiel gesluit het teen spoed, met die ratkas wat gesluit het. Ek onthou dalk verkeerd, maar dink dit was ook dieselfde clutch-boud probleem.

Dalk moet ons die goed tot verby 25000km of so ry voor ons gerus raak, het nog nie gehoor van eniges wat probleme gee op daai kilos nie. Al die issues was altyd redelike lae kilos. Behalwe nou diť een van jou.

Oom ..... die een wat ek onthou hier naby Pretoria was n Final drive wat nie olie in gehad het nie .... toe seize hy op die snelweg.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 18, 2015, 12:22:12 pm
...
Alles in ag geneem gee ek nie om nie, my fiets is weer heel. Ek begin egter wonder of ek die derde keer weer so gelukkig sal wees en of die volgende breuk dalk teen spoed gaan gebeur.
Kyk, ek het agting vir die manier waarop BMW dinge hanteer. Deur Bavarian hier in Centurion ook altyd uitstekende diens. Maar daardie laaste deel van jou sin bly ook altyd in my kop, veral terwyl ek besig is om my seun te pillion.

Daar het mos hoeka so ruk terug iemand lelik seergekry hier naby PTA toe hulle agterwiel gesluit het teen spoed, met die ratkas wat gesluit het. Ek onthou dalk verkeerd, maar dink dit was ook dieselfde clutch-boud probleem.

Dalk moet ons die goed tot verby 25000km of so ry voor ons gerus raak, het nog nie gehoor van eniges wat probleme gee op daai kilos nie. Al die issues was altyd redelike lae kilos. Behalwe nou diť een van jou.

Oom ..... die een wat ek onthou hier naby Pretoria was n Final drive wat nie olie in gehad het nie .... toe seize hy op die snelweg.

Jy's heeltemal reg, ja! Was toe 'n dealer probleem mos.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 18, 2015, 01:49:27 pm
Ek was van die begin af baie beÔndruk met die LC wat betref hoe dit trek en hanteer.  Ek is dit nog, maar verloor so effe vertroue in dit op die langpad, byvoorbeeld Upington om, Kaap toe te vat.  Dis so asof hulle net te maklik breek.

Toe myne se starterknoppie gegroet het, ry ek saam die mater van BMW-on-Call.  Ons gesels lekker.  Hy sÍ vir my die vorige modelle wat sleepwa saam On-Call gery het, was 87% pap wiele.  Die LC's is minder as 20% pap wiele.   :-[



Is ek naÔef of wat, maar as jy nuwe enjin en ratkas kry,  hoekom nie zero op kilo's ook nie? En waarborg van nuuts af op enjin en ratkas ten minste?

Ieder geval, bly jy smile weer LKM

Die res van die bike is mos nie vervang nie.

Die ratkas en engine se waarborg sal, soos enige ander onderdeel wees.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 18, 2015, 02:49:46 pm
Ek moet eerlik wees, ek geniet elke oomblik op my fiets, maar ek weet nie of ek sommer verkeerd is nie, maar party dae soek ek so amper bietjie meer woema.

Ek besef daar is niks groter nie as die 1190 en nou 1290 nie. Ek moet sÍ ek dink nogal sterk aan die 1290 deesdae. Gelukkig gaan die gevoel weg as ek bietjie op die bed gaan lÍ en my sanity keer terug
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 18, 2015, 04:14:51 pm
Ek sal van nou af altyd wonder oor die clutch en ratkas issues as ek die pegs probeer skraap, of bietjie meer as 170 op die grondpad gaan, mens kan mos lelik seerkry as daai agterwiel net slui!!!!!! :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Kan mens voorkomende onderhoud laat doen?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 18, 2015, 04:27:27 pm
Ek sal van nou af altyd wonder oor die clutch en ratkas issues as ek die pegs probeer skraap, of bietjie meer as 170 op die grondpad gaan, mens kan mos lelik seerkry as daai agterwiel net slui!!!!!! :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Kan mens voorkomende onderhoud laat doen?

Ek is nie te bekommerd daaroor nie.  Dit kan met enige fiets gebeur.  Ketting wat breek,  byvoorbeeld.   Solank hy sluit terwyl jy plek het om te gly behoort mens okay te wees. 

Ek wil nie drie weke se verlof weggooi omdat die ding iewers tussen VrekkenvÍr en Skoonveld gaan staan en kalf het nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zacapa on March 18, 2015, 06:38:16 pm
Teurer Bayernschrott - aber das Fahren macht SpaŖ!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 18, 2015, 07:08:51 pm
OK, here's one that should stir some debate. I received my LC back on Friday last week after BMW via Donford Stellenbosch replaced the engine and gearbox under warranty. If failed catastrophically at 19940km when the nut that holds the clutch basket in place came loose.

Thank you Donford for excellent support, all done without any quibble and speedy too.

I am now on engine number three after an accumulative 30000km.

LK, ek stirr nie nou nie maar hou daarvan om ander brands se threads ook te lees en sodoende te weet wat aan gaan,

Ek lees nou hier jou engine is vervang op jou tweede LC, maar onder korreksie, het hulle nie ook jou eerste LC vervang met 'n ander een nie ?

Net so Jakkals, ek dink ek moet vir hulle begin toets ry. Twee totaal onverwante dog katastrofiese breuke.

Ai, glad nie lekker nie,

Bly jy het niks oor gekom nie en hoop jy het beter luck met die derde een, en soos jy in jou post genoem het dat as so iets weer sou gebeur dit nie op spoed met jou gebeur nie.

Is daar enige waarskuwing waarna mens moet oplet of gebeur dit somer net ?

Die eerste een het ek 'n verandering opgemerk maar BMW kon nie fout vind nie. Die laaste een was daar geen waarskuwing nie. Een oomblik het die fiets glad geloop en toe nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on March 18, 2015, 07:12:23 pm
Ek sal van nou af altyd wonder oor die clutch en ratkas issues as ek die pegs probeer skraap, of bietjie meer as 170 op die grondpad gaan, mens kan mos lelik seerkry as daai agterwiel net slui!!!!!! :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Kan mens voorkomende onderhoud laat doen?

Die moer op die koppelaar sit mos binne in die enjin en word so vasgedraai en gegom dat hy teoreties nooit kan loskom nie.

Om hom te hersien moet jy enjin oopmaak, nie tipiese voorkomende onderhoud nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 25, 2015, 11:00:38 am
Watter jaar model het jy LKM? Volgens Zambesi gebuer hierdie ding net op die 2013, pre stabilizer modelle?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2015, 11:52:46 am
Watter jaar model het jy LKM? Volgens Zambesi gebuer hierdie ding net op die 2013, pre stabilizer modelle?

Die een was 'n 2014, post steering damper.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 25, 2015, 11:55:18 am
Watter jaar model het jy LKM? Volgens Zambesi gebuer hierdie ding net op die 2013, pre stabilizer modelle?

Die een was 'n 2014, post steering damper.

Dankie AMZ, dus gaan daai ongemaklike gevoel nou altyd in my agterkop bly!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2015, 01:54:22 pm
Dankie AMZ, dus gaan daai ongemaklike gevoel nou altyd in my agterkop bly!

Jip.  Ek weet hoe jy voel.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jacobsroodt on March 25, 2015, 02:12:34 pm
 :sip: :snorting:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 28, 2015, 10:42:24 am
Watter jaar model het jy LKM? Volgens Zambesi gebuer hierdie ding net op die 2013, pre stabilizer modelle?

Baie goeie raad,


Moet nooit alles glo wat 'n salesman/handelaar jou vertel nie,  nogal logies as jy kyk na die doel van hulle beroep/besigheid.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 28, 2015, 06:34:17 pm
:sip: :snorting:

Was waiting for you to tell Knormoer how a AM. would solve that problem.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 30, 2015, 02:21:13 pm
Wat gebeur as die !@#$ agterwiel skielik vasslaan en jy jou gat afval? Indien jy oorleef behoort BMW seker pa te staan vir jou mediese kostes, skade ens ens, indien  jy dood is, nou ja, dan gee jy nie meer om nie?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2015, 02:57:04 pm
Wat gebeur as die !@#$ agterwiel skielik vasslaan en jy jou gat afval? Indien jy oorleef behoort BMW seker pa te staan vir jou mediese kostes, skade ens ens, indien  jy dood is, nou ja, dan gee jy nie meer om nie?

Ek dink nie die agterwiel sal vaslaan as jy besig om te ry nie.  Ek weet nie, ek dink maar net.  As jy staan en idle sal daai bout seker die ratkas laat vaslaan.  As jy ry sal dit nie sterk genoeg wees om die wiel te laat vaslaan nie, dan vernietig die moer en die ratte mekaar dalk eerder.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on March 30, 2015, 03:13:48 pm
Wat gebeur as die !@#$ agterwiel skielik vasslaan en jy jou gat afval? Indien jy oorleef behoort BMW seker pa te staan vir jou mediese kostes, skade ens ens, indien  jy dood is, nou ja, dan gee jy nie meer om nie?

Ek dink nie die agterwiel sal vaslaan as jy besig om te ry nie.  Ek weet nie, ek dink maar net.  As jy staan en idle sal daai bout seker die ratkas laat vaslaan.  As jy ry sal dit nie sterk genoeg wees om die wiel te laat vaslaan nie, dan vernietig die moer en die ratte mekaar dalk eerder.

Dit maak sin AMZ, dus is die risiko nie so groot in terme van veiligheid nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 30, 2015, 03:50:33 pm
Ek wonder watse veiligheids meganismes daar is, vir situasies waar die agterwiel mag vasslaan? Ek dink nou weer as die ratte mekaar begin opvreet gaan die wiel eerder sluit, jy't darem maar baie krag nodig om ratte net te breek.

Anyway, miskien iets soos 'n "Excessive Force Failure" mode inbou op die dryfas... as daar te veel torque deur hom gaan breek hy eenvoudig, om te verseker die wiel kan bly draai. Of dalk so-iets inbou in die FD.

Dink maar net.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 30, 2015, 04:09:17 pm
LK is die man om mee te praat, hy het eerstehandse ondervinding en soos ek verstaan was sy wiel solid vas gewees.

Persoonlik dink ek ook die agterwiel gaan lock, onthou jou agterwiel het nie baie weerstand nodig om te lock nie, 'n ratkas wat vas slaan gaan nie net ewe skielik die  gevoel van neutral gee nie, en al sou hy dit doen stel ek nie belang om die proef konyn te wees om dit te bewys nie.

Sou die wiel op 'n reguit pad lock staan jy dalk 'n kaans maar as dit op 'n draai gebeur of selfs net vir 'n oomblik lock in 'n draai dink ek die kaans dat jy van jou medical aid en versekeraar gebruik gaan maak is baie groot.

Mense ek sÍ dit weer, ek probeer regtig nie die produk af breek nie maar ek self wil nie met iets ry met so geskiedenis nie, ek betaal nie om risiko's te loop nie en nog minder sal ek my pillion onskuldig in gevaar stel.

BMW moet die ding vir julle uit sorteer met duidelike bewyse, moet ook nie net op die handelaar of salesman se woord gaan nie, om pa te staan om engines en selfs fietse te vervang is een ding maar dink ook aan die ander gevolge.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2015, 06:07:27 pm
LK is die man om mee te praat, hy het eerstehandse ondervinding en soos ek verstaan was sy wiel solid vas gewees.

Persoonlik dink ek ook die agterwiel gaan lock, onthou jou agterwiel het nie baie weerstand nodig om te lock nie, 'n ratkas wat vas slaan gaan nie net ewe skielik die  gevoel van neutral gee nie, en al sou hy dit doen stel ek nie belang om die proef konyn te wees om dit te bewys nie.

Sou die wiel op 'n reguit pad lock staan jy dalk 'n kaans maar as dit op 'n draai gebeur of selfs net vir 'n oomblik lock in 'n draai dink ek die kaans dat jy van jou medical aid en versekeraar gebruik gaan maak is baie groot.

Mense ek sÍ dit weer, ek probeer regtig nie die produk af breek nie maar ek self wil nie met iets ry met so geskiedenis nie, ek betaal nie om risiko's te loop nie en nog minder sal ek my pillion onskuldig in gevaar stel.

BMW moet die ding vir julle uit sorteer met duidelike bewyse, moet ook nie net op die handelaar of salesman se woord gaan nie, om pa te staan om engines en selfs fietse te vervang is een ding maar dink ook aan die ander gevolge.

LK sin het solid vasgeslaan,  maar hy stil gestaan en idle toe dit gebeur het.

Die ding is,  en ek sÍ weer ek weet nie,  ek wonder net,  is dat die bout of moer of wat ook al nie tussen die ratte sal kan inval terwyl hulle teen hoŽ spoed draai nie.   

Ek dink (weereens,  ek weet nie)  BMW check die bout tydens elke diens.   





Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 30, 2015, 06:13:40 pm
LK is die man om mee te praat, hy het eerstehandse ondervinding en soos ek verstaan was sy wiel solid vas gewees.

Persoonlik dink ek ook die agterwiel gaan lock, onthou jou agterwiel het nie baie weerstand nodig om te lock nie, 'n ratkas wat vas slaan gaan nie net ewe skielik die  gevoel van neutral gee nie, en al sou hy dit doen stel ek nie belang om die proef konyn te wees om dit te bewys nie.

Sou die wiel op 'n reguit pad lock staan jy dalk 'n kaans maar as dit op 'n draai gebeur of selfs net vir 'n oomblik lock in 'n draai dink ek die kaans dat jy van jou medical aid en versekeraar gebruik gaan maak is baie groot.

Mense ek sÍ dit weer, ek probeer regtig nie die produk af breek nie maar ek self wil nie met iets ry met so geskiedenis nie, ek betaal nie om risiko's te loop nie en nog minder sal ek my pillion onskuldig in gevaar stel.

BMW moet die ding vir julle uit sorteer met duidelike bewyse, moet ook nie net op die handelaar of salesman se woord gaan nie, om pa te staan om engines en selfs fietse te vervang is een ding maar dink ook aan die ander gevolge.

LK sin het solid vasgeslaan,  maar hy stil gestaan en idle toe dit gebeur het.

Die ding is,  en ek sÍ weer ek weet nie,  ek wonder net,  is dat die bout of moer of wat ook al nie tussen die ratte sal kan inval terwyl hulle teen hoŽ spoed draai nie.   

Ek dink (weereens,  ek weet nie)  BMW check die bout tydens elke diens.   







Hoe check hulle die bout, volgens LK is die bout op so plek dat jy die engine moet oop maak om by hom te kom, ek glo nie BMW maak die engine oop op elke diens nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 30, 2015, 06:23:17 pm
Lelike groeipyne op n baie mooi fiets. Ek dink tog die nuwer modelle sal nie meer probleme he nie, Bmw moes tog nou geleer het deur al die masjiene wat gebreek het en terugvoer van handelaars
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 30, 2015, 06:30:14 pm
Lelike groeipyne op n baie mooi fiets. Ek dink tog die nuwer modelle sal nie meer probleme he nie, Bmw moes tog nou geleer het deur al die masjiene wat gebreek het en terugvoer van handelaars

Dis juis die doel van 'n thread soos die, maar op die stadium is daar geen bewys dat die probleem op gelos is nie, en ek glo ook nie BMW sal dit op skrif sit dat hulle verantwoordelikheid sal vat van enige persoonlike skade sou iets fout gaan nie.

Die lewe bestaan uit keuses, as jy happy is met jou keuse leef daarby.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: VaalBaas on March 30, 2015, 06:39:34 pm
 :sip:Ek teken net in :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2015, 08:07:03 pm


Hoe check hulle die bout, volgens LK is die bout op so plek dat jy die engine moet oop maak om by hom te kom, ek glo nie BMW maak die engine oop op elke diens nie.

Man ja,  jy moet nou maar besluit wie van die twee nie-BMW mechanics is reg hier,  LK of ek.

Om jou te help besluit,  loer die prentjie,  maar onthou,  ek het gesÍ dat ek dink,  nie dat ek weet nie.

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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 30, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
M.a.w, as ek jou reg verstaan, as die agente die bout check op elke diens sal daar nie weer so geval wees nie.

Ok, dan lyk dit my die agente het dalk op geslip met LK se diens en nie die bout gecheck nie, en hom dalk 'n stront storie vertel oor die bout wat nie gecheck kan word nie, ek glo LK sou hulle gevra het wat die oorsaak was en of dit voorkom kon word.

En soos jy nou hier sÍ, jy dink die agente is veronderstel om die bout op elke diens te check, as dit so is en hulle het LK se bout nie gecheck soos wat jy sÍ jy dink hulle veronderstel is om te doen nie sal ek bietjie vrae vra as ek hy was.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 30, 2015, 11:04:32 pm
Alhoewel die bout maklik by gekom kan word deur net die voorste cover van die enjin af te haal wonder ek of dit met elke diens gecheck moet word. Want, as dit die geval is, sou ek dink daar is 'n gevaar dat hy kan loskom tussen dienste... met ander woorde 'n fout waarop 'n ogie gehou moet word.

Sou dit nie meer sin maak vir BMW om 'n ander (meer permanente) oplossing te bedink nie, byvoorbeeld (arguments onthalwe nou) om sterker loctite op die bout te sit, of een van daai tipe washers wat mens omslaan om die bout vas te hou, en dit dan net te doen op die eerste diens waarvoor die fiets inkom nie. Dan natuurlik op rekord te hou dat dit reeds gedoen is op die motorfiets. Want om met elke diens die enjin cover af te haal, en natuurlik ook gasket te vervang gaan duur uitwerk in terme van arbeid, ens.

Wonder ook net hardop hier.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 05:39:18 am
M.a.w, as ek jou reg verstaan, as die agente die bout check op elke diens sal daar nie weer so geval wees nie.

Ok, dan lyk dit my die agente het dalk op geslip met LK se diens en nie die bout gecheck nie, en hom dalk 'n stront storie vertel oor die bout wat nie gecheck kan word nie, ek glo LK sou hulle gevra het wat die oorsaak was en of dit voorkom kon word.

En soos jy nou hier sÍ, jy dink die agente is veronderstel om die bout op elke diens te check, as dit so is en hulle het LK se bout nie gecheck soos wat jy sÍ jy dink hulle veronderstel is om te doen nie sal ek bietjie vrae vra as ek hy was.



Nee,  lyk my jy het heeltemal verkeerd verstaan.   Ek het gesÍ,  en ek haal myself aan: " Ek dink (weereens,  ek weet nie)  BMW check die bout tydens elke diens."

Wat jy sÍ maak wel sin,  maar ek k kan nie names LK praat nie.  Hy sal seker hier inloer en dan kan hy jou antwoord oor wie vir hom gesÍ het diť bout is te diep in diť enjin om iets voorkomend te doen,  en so aan.  

Ek kan raai,  spekuleer as te ware,  dat BMW SA dalk na LK se episode besluit het om bikes wat inkom vir diens na te gaan.  
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 05:45:09 am
Alhoewel die bout maklik by gekom kan word deur net die voorste cover van die enjin af te haal wonder ek of dit met elke diens gecheck moet word. Want, as dit die geval is, sou ek dink daar is 'n gevaar dat hy kan loskom tussen dienste... met ander woorde 'n fout waarop 'n ogie gehou moet word.

Sou dit nie meer sin maak vir BMW om 'n ander (meer permanente) oplossing te bedink nie, byvoorbeeld (arguments onthalwe nou) om sterker loctite op die bout te sit, of een van daai tipe washers wat mens omslaan om die bout vas te hou, en dit dan net te doen op die eerste diens waarvoor die fiets inkom nie. Dan natuurlik op rekord te hou dat dit reeds gedoen is op die motorfiets. Want om met elke diens die enjin cover af te haal, en natuurlik ook gasket te vervang gaan duur uitwerk in terme van arbeid, ens.

Wonder ook net hardop hier.

Jip.  Ek wonder ook net hardop.   Ek weet byvoorbeeld dat op my vrou se LC wat onlangs vir sy 20k km diens was,  daardie cover wel afgehaal was.   My vrou het beduie hoekom dit gedoen is,  soos sy die diens adviseur verstaan het.    Wat ek gehoor het uit my vrou se mond,  maak nie vir my veel sin nie.   Kon enige iets gewees het tussen die agterwiel pomp en die clutch se moer vasdraai.   Ek sal. as ek eendag daar naby verby ry gaan vra.

As ek 'n besluitnemers was by BMW sou ek verseker daai bout nagegaan en reggemaak het by diť eerste geleentheid,  veral as dit relatief moontlik was.  Ek is redelik seker dat hulle,  as hulle wel een of ander modifikasie gedoen het,  dit op rekord sal wees.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on March 31, 2015, 06:39:11 am
Alhoewel die bout maklik by gekom kan word deur net die voorste cover van die enjin af te haal wonder ek of dit met elke diens gecheck moet word. Want, as dit die geval is, sou ek dink daar is 'n gevaar dat hy kan loskom tussen dienste... met ander woorde 'n fout waarop 'n ogie gehou moet word.

Sou dit nie meer sin maak vir BMW om 'n ander (meer permanente) oplossing te bedink nie, byvoorbeeld (arguments onthalwe nou) om sterker loctite op die bout te sit, of een van daai tipe washers wat mens omslaan om die bout vas te hou, en dit dan net te doen op die eerste diens waarvoor die fiets inkom nie. Dan natuurlik op rekord te hou dat dit reeds gedoen is op die motorfiets. Want om met elke diens die enjin cover af te haal, en natuurlik ook gasket te vervang gaan duur uitwerk in terme van arbeid, ens.

Wonder ook net hardop hier.

Jip.  Ek wonder ook net hardop.   Ek weet byvoorbeeld dat op my vrou se LC wat onlangs vir sy 20k km diens was,  daardie cover wel afgehaal was.   My vrou het beduie hoekom dit gedoen is,  soos sy die diens adviseur verstaan het.    Wat ek gehoor het uit my vrou se mond,  maak nie vir my veel sin nie.   Kon enige iets gewees het tussen die agterwiel pomp en die clutch se moer vasdraai.   Ek sal. as ek eendag daar naby verby ry gaan vra.

As ek 'n besluitnemers was by BMW sou ek verseker daai bout nagegaan en reggemaak het by diť eerste geleentheid,  veral as dit relatief moontlik was.  Ek is redelik seker dat hulle,  as hulle wel een of ander modifikasie gedoen het,  dit op rekord sal wees.
Stem  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 31, 2015, 06:39:27 am
M.a.w, as ek jou reg verstaan, as die agente die bout check op elke diens sal daar nie weer so geval wees nie.

Ok, dan lyk dit my die agente het dalk op geslip met LK se diens en nie die bout gecheck nie, en hom dalk 'n stront storie vertel oor die bout wat nie gecheck kan word nie, ek glo LK sou hulle gevra het wat die oorsaak was en of dit voorkom kon word.

En soos jy nou hier sÍ, jy dink die agente is veronderstel om die bout op elke diens te check, as dit so is en hulle het LK se bout nie gecheck soos wat jy sÍ jy dink hulle veronderstel is om te doen nie sal ek bietjie vrae vra as ek hy was.



Nee,  lyk my jy het heeltemal verkeerd verstaan.   Ek het gesÍ,  en ek haal myself aan: " Ek dink (weereens,  ek weet nie)  BMW check die bout tydens elke diens."

Wat jy sÍ maak wel sin,  maar ek k kan nie names LK praat nie.  Hy sal seker hier inloer en dan kan hy jou antwoord oor wie vir hom gesÍ het diť bout is te diep in diť enjin om iets voorkomend te doen,  en so aan.  

Ek kan raai,  spekuleer as te ware,  dat BMW SA dalk na LK se episode besluit het om bikes wat inkom vir diens na te gaan.  

Nee ek verstaan jou reg, maar soos jy self hier skryf en die woorde "ek weet nie en ek dink" gebruik is daar geen versekering dat die bout wel gecheck word op elke diens nie, dus is daar ook geen versekering dat daar nie weer so geval gaan wees nie.

Hoekom praat julle nie met BMW daaroor en maak seker dat dit wel gedoen word en dat hulle die versekering gee dat so iets nie weer sal gebeur nie.

Ek glo daar is tog van die agente wat hier rond loer, dit sal nogal nice wees as hulle hier hulle mening kan gee oor of die bout wel gecheck word met elke diens en so ook die versekering kan gee dat daar nie weer so geval sal wees nie en ook dat die probleem voorkomend is.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 07:11:28 am


Hoekom praat julle nie met BMW daaroor en maak seker dat dit wel gedoen word en dat hulle die versekering gee dat so iets nie weer sal gebeur nie.



Diť ding is,  ek glo van nature selde iets wat 'n vervaardiger van enige produk my vertel.   Ek twyfel sterk of BMW enige versekering hieroor sal gee waaraan mens regtig waarde kan heg.   Hulle sal dit beslis nie skriftelik doen nie.

Ek glo mos so in my eie gemoed,  daar is net een ding erger as Hitler se beleide en dis kapitalisme.    :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 31, 2015, 09:14:44 am


 ek glo van nature selde iets wat 'n vervaardiger van enige produk my vertel.    Ek twyfel sterk of BMW enige versekering hieroor sal gee waaraan mens regtig waarde kan heg.    Ek glo mos so in my eie gemoed,  daar is net een ding erger as Hitler se beleide en dis kapitalisme.    :peepwall:

Hier praat ek en jy nou dieselfde taal.

Daar is altyd mooi stories en baie goeie redes/verskonings, maar die risiko bly nog die klient sin en dit is altyd die klient wat met die ongerief moet sit.


Maar aan die anderkant, as die klient ingelig is en orals lees en sien van 'n probleem op 'n spesifieke produk, m.a.w hy het sy huiswerk gedoen voor hy koop. En hy gaan koop nog steeds die produk sonder dat die verskaffer hom 'n 100% versekering op skrif kan gee dat die probleem nie weer sal opduik nie, dan is dit maar sy probleem en moet hy maar die risiko vat en daarmee saamleef.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 31, 2015, 09:18:49 am
Wat is die  praktiese belang daarvan om dit op skrif te kry? Dis nie asof dit voorspelbaar is nie, en tweedens - wat gaan die skrif jou help as jy klaar dood is of in die hospitaal lÍ?

Of dit op skrif is of nie, die waarborg sal hulle eer.

Geen verkoper gaan jou so iets op skrif gee ooit nie- nie tydens en veral nie na waarborg nie, en ook nooit vir enige rede wat voornemende kliŽnte kan afskrik nie. Die argument gaan nÍrens gaan nie

Hierdie is geÔsoleerde gevalle en nie algemeen nie. Dit doen nie afbreuk aan die fiets se integriteit nie. Elke dag as jy op enige fiets klim is daar risiko's. Of 'n band wat bars of 'n ander kar of wat ookal. Daar is geen waarborg op 'n fiets nie en skrif gaan dit nooit verander nie.

Dit is en bly die beste fiets op twee wiele- foute en al. Al fietse wat nie foute het nie is diť wat nie kan ry nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 09:21:57 am
Hier praat ek en jy nou dieselfde taal.

Daar is altyd mooi stories en baie goeie redes/verskonings, maar die risiko bly nog die klient sin en dit is altyd die klient wat met die ongerief moet sit.


Maar aan die anderkant, as die klient ingelig is en orals lees en sien van 'n probleem op 'n spesifieke produk, m.a.w hy het sy huiswerk gedoen voor hy koop. En hy gaan koop nog steeds die produk sonder dat die verskaffer hom 'n 100% versekering op skrif kan gee dat die probleem nie weer sal opduik nie, dan is dit maar sy probleem en moet hy maar die risiko vat en daarmee saamleef.

Ek stem 100% saam.

Ek glo egter dat, alhoewel BMW as kapitalistiese organisasie nie besonder bekommerd is oor my gatvelle nie, al hulle redelik bekommerd wees oof die kostes van 'n nuwe enjin en ratkas vir elke bike waar die fout voorkom en dis die rede hoekom hulle sal werk maak daarvan.  Het hulle reeds?  Ek weet nie, maar ek kan jou dit sÍ, ek sal nie die word van enige werkswinkel voorman of "Dealer Principle" vat nie.

Ek verkies dus maar om my eie navorsing te doen, tussen die lyne te lees en so aan en dan my besluit te neem.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 31, 2015, 09:24:44 am
Ek het 'n groot probleem met my LC - die navigator se battery is kaput. Ek sal liewer die Bike nou in die garage gaan bÍre en glad nie ry nie. Hy is nou 'n probleem geval. Miskien moet BMW vir my 'n nuwe fiets gee ook? 😉
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 09:27:36 am
Ek het 'n groot probleem met my LC - die navigator se battery is kaput. Ek sal liewer die Bike nou in die garage gaan bÍre en glad nie ry nie. Hy is nou 'n probleem geval. Miskien moet BMW vir my 'n nuwe fiets gee ook? 😉

Kan  nie sien hoekom BMW moet pa staan as jou pillion moeg is nie.   :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 31, 2015, 09:29:30 am
Maar moet hulle dan nie  muffins en koffie gee dat sy beter voel nie?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 31, 2015, 09:30:58 am
Ek het 'n groot probleem met my LC - die navigator se battery is kaput. Ek sal liewer die Bike nou in die garage gaan bÍre en glad nie ry nie. Hy is nou 'n probleem geval. Miskien moet BMW vir my 'n nuwe fiets gee ook?

Kan  nie sien hoekom BMW moet pa staan as jou pillion moeg is nie.   :ricky:

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2015, 09:38:31 am
Maar moet hulle dan nie  muffins en koffie gee dat sy beter voel nie?

Dis nou tipies BMW ryer.  Verkoop sy siel vir koffie en muffins.  As jy Jakkals was het jy aangedring op 'n nuwe, jong navigator ....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 31, 2015, 09:44:13 am
Maar moet hulle dan nie  muffins en koffie gee dat sy beter voel nie?

Dis nou tipies BMW ryer.  Verkoop sy siel vir koffie en muffins.  As jy Jakkals was het jy aangedring op 'n nuwe, jong navigator ....

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Jy sien, ek laat my nie om die bos lei nie en as ek betaal vir iets soek ek waarde en gemoedsrus vir my geld.  :deal:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on March 31, 2015, 09:49:20 am
Ek ruil dan nou juis hierdie een in vir 'n nuwe jong brand new jongetjie. Een wat nog nie grondpad gery het nie en wat geen bagasie of waypoints of niks op het nie
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on March 31, 2015, 09:53:11 am
Ek ruil dan nou juis hierdie een in vir 'n nuwe jong brand new jongetjie. Een wat nog nie grondpad gery het nie en wat geen bagasie of waypoints of niks op het nie

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

En nou moet jy seker eers wag want daar is 'n moerse lang wag lys op hulle,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maar wag hulle maak gou 'n plan en organise gou iets om een te kry. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Camel on March 31, 2015, 01:01:10 pm
My clutch resevoir is leaking oil if I put the bike on it's sidestand. Dealer ordered a new seal. Read on the Adventure forum it is caused by overfilling. Did this happen to anyone and how was it fixed?

Thanks
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Frannarossi on March 31, 2015, 05:50:48 pm
My front brake reservoir leaked after the bike was serviced.I opened the container and cleaned the rubber seal.(I think they over filled it and it had some brake fluid on top of the rubber seal / thingy).No problems after that.Die bliksemse appies kyk nie wat hulle doen nie!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on April 01, 2015, 07:37:43 pm
Ek het 'n groot probleem met my LC - die navigator se battery is kaput. Ek sal liewer die Bike nou in die garage gaan bÍre en glad nie ry nie. Hy is nou 'n probleem geval. Miskien moet BMW vir my 'n nuwe fiets gee ook? 😉

Myne was sat nog voordat ek dit een keer kon gebruik.  Ek het nog nie sover gekom om dit om te ruil nie maar dit wou nooit meer as so 25% laai nie. Ai toggie, en nou nog die clutch bout ook om oor te worry...Wanneer gaan ek ooit by ry uitkom?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: n0b0dy on May 04, 2015, 09:06:13 am
Problems so var.

On delivery the right hand cluster ( specifically) Run start button. very sticky - problem its intermittent.

Was told they will replace on 10k service. ( they did as it is on recall) so all happy.

about 11000 the left cluster The updown info button. Get stuck on bottom then you have to press the up to reset - push too much up then the top display changes ... very irritating.
Phoned dealer that serviced bike and they ordered ex germany a new part. 4-5 weeks. will replace under warrantee.

So can we have (on the first page) a update with qty of specific faults. would like to send my bike for tot checkup on all bolts and nuts PRIOR to my warantee is over.

maybe a pole with common faults.



eg
 left cluster  - 10 Warantee
left cluster ( 30 ) - no warantee
right cluster - 20
Clutch bolt blah blah etc.






Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on May 04, 2015, 09:17:06 am
If you will make the time to summarise the results, I will add it as a sticky. I do not have the time unfortunately to do it myself.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2015, 08:17:47 am
Wife's bike:  21000km, leaking brake fluid reservoir, front brake, replaced under warranty.
My bike:  16000km, leaking brake fluid reservoir, front brake, not taken in yet.
 
When I had the 09 GS, there was no doubt in my mind that my next bike would be a GS.  At this stage, after 16000km with the LC, I am not at all that sure about my next bike.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 11:35:44 am
Wife's bike:  21000km, leaking brake fluid reservoir, front brake, replaced under warranty.
My bike:  16000km, leaking brake fluid reservoir, front brake, not taken in yet.
 
When I had the 09 GS, there was no doubt in my mind that my next bike would be a GS.  At this stage, after 16000km with the LC, I am not at all that sure about my next bike.
I noticed seeping on my front reservoir, at the lid. Is this where yours leaked?

And, why are you unsure about your next bike... due to all the reported issues? Or is there a problem with yours? You seemed to be happy with the LC all along.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 11:37:47 am
Not the bike per se, but the Navigator (the GPS ;D) got its tits tied in knots when I tried to copy tracks off it, ending up in the device not being recognised or even being able to select different voices, etc. Seeing that it's not distributed by Garmin themselves (and also it's still under guarantee) I returned it to Bavarian. Waiting to hear from them.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2015, 11:42:16 am

I noticed seeping on my front reservoir, at the lid. Is this where yours leaked?

And, why are you unsure about your next bike... due to all the reported issues? Or is there a problem with yours? You seemed to be happy with the LC all along.

Jip.  Seeping/sweating from the front brake reservoir.

I love the LC.  It really is an awesome bike and I am not too concerned with the reported issues either.  It is just that it is starting to remind me too much of a 1988 Opel Kadette 20.GSi I had.  Absolutely awesome.  Always some glitch to be resolved.   Maybe I am just spoiled.  

Mags and I each had the 09 models.  A total of 215000km without any hassles of note.  One non-service item on each over the years.  We now both have 2014 models.  30 000km between them.  Dropped next to the road once and always some glitch.  Yes, BMW sorts it, but we tour.  How do we sort it when between NÍrensville and Iewersfontein?

Anyway, I am not saying I won't buy one again.  It is just not as big a certainty.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on May 20, 2015, 11:44:19 am
Not the bike per se, but the Navigator (the GPS ;D) got its tits tied in knots when I tried to copy tracks off it, ending up in the device not being recognised or even being able to select different voices, etc. Seeing that it's not distributed by Garmin themselves (and also it's still under guarantee) I returned it to Bavarian. Waiting to hear from them.
Also had mine replaced about 3 weeks ago - battery started acting up, and the thing just kept on restarting the whole time. They exchanged it. Remember - it has 2 years of warranty, not only 1 year.

I also have a new issue with mine now - I have 2015 and 2016 maps on, and although I never used both maps at the same time (1 was only selected on the device at all times), it made all my routes strange and the distance actual, doubled or more on every route. The routing was thus completely stupid and the GPS no longer knew where the heel it was.

I had to delete the latest mapset, which was 2016, had to let it recalculate all my routes, and then all was fine, but also only after I completely deleted 2016 from my computer as well.

Now - the issue is the following - you cant uninstall 2015 and replace it completely with 2016, as that option is greyed out in map install. So, only option - have to delete 2015 from GPS, and hope it does not turn into a brick, and then try and install 2016.

Waiting for replies from the Zumo forum on the issue.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:09:08 pm
Not the bike per se, but the Navigator (the GPS ;D) got its tits tied in knots when I tried to copy tracks off it, ending up in the device not being recognised or even being able to select different voices, etc. Seeing that it's not distributed by Garmin themselves (and also it's still under guarantee) I returned it to Bavarian. Waiting to hear from them.
Also had mine replaced about 3 weeks ago - battery started acting up, and the thing just kept on restarting the whole time. They exchanged it. Remember - it has 2 years of warranty, not only 1 year.

I also have a new issue with mine now - I have 2015 and 2016 maps on, and although I never used both maps at the same time (1 was only selected on the device at all times), it made all my routes strange and the distance actual, doubled or more on every route. The routing was thus completely stupid and the GPS no longer knew where the heel it was.

I had to delete the latest mapset, which was 2016, had to let it recalculate all my routes, and then all was fine, but also only after I completely deleted 2016 from my computer as well.

Now - the issue is the following - you cant uninstall 2015 and replace it completely with 2016, as that option is greyed out in map install. So, only option - have to delete 2015 from GPS, and hope it does not turn into a brick, and then try and install 2016.

Waiting for replies from the Zumo forum on the issue.
You can try this:
1. Make a backup of your device's SD card
2. Browse to the Maps folder (or the Garmin folder) on your SD card
3. Simply delete the IMG file of the map you do not want to use.

You can also use a utility I came across, called Javawa. Google it, it's an awesome app that allows you to do all kinds of management things with your garmin, and they have a Mac version too. It can even scan your device for corrupted GPX files, which is a issue that can cause basecamp to no longer communicate with the navigator.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:13:17 pm

I noticed seeping on my front reservoir, at the lid. Is this where yours leaked?

And, why are you unsure about your next bike... due to all the reported issues? Or is there a problem with yours? You seemed to be happy with the LC all along.

Jip.  Seeping/sweating from the front brake reservoir.

I love the LC.  It really is an awesome bike and I am not too concerned with the reported issues either.  It is just that it is starting to remind me too much of a 1988 Opel Kadette 20.GSi I had.  Absolutely awesome.  Always some glitch to be resolved.   Maybe I am just spoiled.  

Mags and I each had the 09 models.  A total of 215000km without any hassles of note.  One non-service item on each over the years.  We now both have 2014 models.  30 000km between them.  Dropped next to the road once and always some glitch.  Yes, BMW sorts it, but we tour.  How do we sort it when between NÍrensville and Iewersfontein?

Anyway, I am not saying I won't buy one again.  It is just not as big a certainty.
Agree, there's this risk. Or fear that it will happen. I must admit, I've never before had to wonder if my bike will make the trip, until I got the LC. But, touch wood, she has not let me down.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on May 20, 2015, 12:13:28 pm
THANKS BAIE!!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:21:25 pm
THANKS BAIE!!!
:thumleft:
Ek hou veral van Javawa se CleanEject utility. My OCD geite laat my rooi sien as ek al daai .xxxx folders sien wat Mac OS sommer so goedsmoeds op 'n disk sit wanneer jy dit mount/inplug.

http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html (http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: MYNE on May 20, 2015, 12:38:21 pm
Baie Baie Baie dankie Yamaha vir 'n S10 wat julle op die mark gebring het...........
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: VaalBaas on May 20, 2015, 12:40:23 pm
Baie Baie Baie dankie Yamaha vir 'n S10 wat julle op die mark gebring het...........

Daar is 'n thread wat Jakkals begin het oor die die kak S10. Kom ons praat daar verder stront  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on May 20, 2015, 12:42:02 pm
THANKS BAIE!!!
:thumleft:
Ek hou veral van Javawa se CleanEject utility. My OCD geite laat my rooi sien as ek al daai .xxxx folders sien wat Mac OS sommer so goedsmoeds op 'n disk sit wanneer jy dit mount/inplug.

http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html (http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html)


Ek het hom gedownload, maar hy sien nie my GPS raak nie - lyk my hy is dan net bedoel vir kaarte wat reeds op die Mac is?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:42:31 pm
Baie Baie Baie dankie Yamaha vir 'n S10 wat julle op die mark gebring het...........
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: VaalBaas on May 20, 2015, 12:45:52 pm

I noticed seeping on my front reservoir, at the lid. Is this where yours leaked?

And, why are you unsure about your next bike... due to all the reported issues? Or is there a problem with yours? You seemed to be happy with the LC all along.

Jip.  Seeping/sweating from the front brake reservoir.

I love the LC.  It really is an awesome bike and I am not too concerned with the reported issues either.  It is just that it is starting to remind me too much of a 1988 Opel Kadette 20.GSi I had.  Absolutely awesome.  Always some glitch to be resolved.   Maybe I am just spoiled.  

Mags and I each had the 09 models.  A total of 215000km without any hassles of note.  One non-service item on each over the years.  We now both have 2014 models.  30 000km between them.  Dropped next to the road once and always some glitch.  Yes, BMW sorts it, but we tour.  How do we sort it when between NÍrensville and Iewersfontein?

Anyway, I am not saying I won't buy one again.  It is just not as big a certainty.
Agree, there's this risk. Or fear that it will happen. I must admit, I've never before had to wonder if my bike will make the trip, until I got the LC. But, touch wood, she has not let me down.

Dis eerlikwaar die rede hoekom ek nie die GS en GSA ingruil het op die nuwe LC nie.  Soos ek al voorheen gepost het ry ek te min km's en is nie bereid om proefkonyn te speel vir iets waarin ek nog altyd geglo het nie. Hoop van harte die issues word uitgesorteer gouer as wat hulle opduik.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:46:40 pm
THANKS BAIE!!!
:thumleft:
Ek hou veral van Javawa se CleanEject utility. My OCD geite laat my rooi sien as ek al daai .xxxx folders sien wat Mac OS sommer so goedsmoeds op 'n disk sit wanneer jy dit mount/inplug.

http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html (http://www.javawa.nl/cleaneject_en.html)


Ek het hom gedownload, maar hy sien nie my GPS raak nie - lyk my hy is dan net bedoel vir kaarte wat reeds op die Mac is?
Ja die Javawa GMTK is vir kaarte wat reeds bestaan op jou mac, maar loer bietjie na hulle ander utilities, bv. device manager...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: eduard on May 20, 2015, 12:47:02 pm
Baie Baie Baie dankie Yamaha vir 'n S10 wat julle op die mark gebring het...........


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 12:54:58 pm
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Dis eerlikwaar die rede hoekom ek nie die GS en GSA ingruil het op die nuwe LC nie.  Soos ek al voorheen gepost het ry ek te min km's en is nie bereid om proefkonyn te speel vir iets waarin ek nog altyd geglo het nie. Hoop van harte die issues word uitgesorteer gouer as wat hulle opduik.
Dit lyk darem of issues al hoe minder gerapporteer word. Ek troos my daarin dat 'n maatskappy soos BMW, wie se toekoms (en dus inkomste) redelik afhanklik is van die reputasie van hulle produk darem werk maak daarvan om die issues te adresseer. Hulle het as't ware nie 'n keuse nie.

Byvoorbeeld oof nou die onlagse recalls op die flange en brandstofpomp, wat sover teruggaan tot 2004 modelle! Dit moet hulle 'n paar plase se geld kos, en nogtans beperk hulle nie die recalls tot onlangse modelle nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: eduard on May 20, 2015, 12:58:06 pm
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Dis eerlikwaar die rede hoekom ek nie die GS en GSA ingruil het op die nuwe LC nie.  Soos ek al voorheen gepost het ry ek te min km's en is nie bereid om proefkonyn te speel vir iets waarin ek nog altyd geglo het nie. Hoop van harte die issues word uitgesorteer gouer as wat hulle opduik.
Dit lyk darem of issues al hoe minder gerapporteer word. Ek troos my daarin dat 'n maatskappy soos BMW, wie se toekoms (en dus inkomste) redelik afhanklik is van die reputasie van hulle produk darem werk maak daarvan om die issues te adresseer. Hulle het as't ware nie 'n keuse nie.

Byvoorbeeld oof nou die onlagse recalls op die flange en brandstofpomp, wat sover teruggaan tot 2004 modelle! Dit moet hulle 'n paar plase se geld kos, en nogtans beperk hulle nie die recalls tot onlangse modelle nie.

Ek stem OomD. Dis een ding van BMW, hulle staan by hulle produk
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: VaalBaas on May 20, 2015, 12:59:06 pm
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Dis eerlikwaar die rede hoekom ek nie die GS en GSA ingruil het op die nuwe LC nie.  Soos ek al voorheen gepost het ry ek te min km's en is nie bereid om proefkonyn te speel vir iets waarin ek nog altyd geglo het nie. Hoop van harte die issues word uitgesorteer gouer as wat hulle opduik.
Dit lyk darem of issues al hoe minder gerapporteer word. Ek troos my daarin dat 'n maatskappy soos BMW, wie se toekoms (en dus inkomste) redelik afhanklik is van die reputasie van hulle produk darem werk maak daarvan om die issues te adresseer. Hulle het as't ware nie 'n keuse nie.

Byvoorbeeld oof nou die onlagse recalls op die flange en brandstofpomp, wat sover teruggaan tot 2004 modelle! Dit moet hulle 'n paar plase se geld kos, en nogtans beperk hulle nie die recalls tot onlangse modelle nie.

Stem ook 100% saam, maar my ander probleem is ook die self diens issues, waarmme hulle nie 90% issues mee het nie, maar het my al vasgeloop met dit.

Ek gaan nog vir my 'n nuwe fiets koop, maar glo die regte tyd sal kom.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Frannarossi on May 20, 2015, 01:05:54 pm
My brake fluid reservoir lek ook effe nadat hy gediens is en hulle die brake fluid geflash het.
Ek het hom oopgemaak en die rubber droog gemaak en terug gesit want daar was brake fluid bo op die rubber.Nou sien ek begin hy weer so bietjie lek/sweet.
Ek dink die fokkers weet nie hoe om die brake flued ordentlik weer op te top en die brieke te bloei ens nie....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2015, 05:29:32 pm
My brake fluid reservoir lek ook effe nadat hy gediens is en hulle die brake fluid geflash het.
Ek het hom oopgemaak en die rubber droog gemaak en terug gesit want daar was brake fluid bo op die rubber.Nou sien ek begin hy weer so bietjie lek/sweet.
Ek dink die fokkers weet nie hoe om die brake flued ordentlik weer op te top en die brieke te bloei ens nie....

As dit waar is,  is hulle rÍrig dom want hulle het sopas die hele reservoir op my vrou se bike vervang.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2015, 05:31:37 pm
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Dis eerlikwaar die rede hoekom ek nie die GS en GSA ingruil het op die nuwe LC nie.  Soos ek al voorheen gepost het ry ek te min km's en is nie bereid om proefkonyn te speel vir iets waarin ek nog altyd geglo het nie. Hoop van harte die issues word uitgesorteer gouer as wat hulle opduik.
Dit lyk darem of issues al hoe minder gerapporteer word. Ek troos my daarin dat 'n maatskappy soos BMW, wie se toekoms (en dus inkomste) redelik afhanklik is van die reputasie van hulle produk darem werk maak daarvan om die issues te adresseer. Hulle het as't ware nie 'n keuse nie.

Byvoorbeeld oof nou die onlagse recalls op die flange en brandstofpomp, wat sover teruggaan tot 2004 modelle! Dit moet hulle 'n paar plase se geld kos, en nogtans beperk hulle nie die recalls tot onlangse modelle nie.

Ek stem OomD. Dis een ding van BMW, hulle staan by hulle produk

Dis waar.  Dis uiters belangrik ook.   Ek is op die oomblik net geÔrriteerd met die glitches.   Die oilfiller prop sweet ook op altwee ons fietse.   BMW sal vervang,  maar magtig,  dis bly irriterend.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 05:39:18 pm
Nou dat jy dit noem, my oil filler sweet ook nogal.

Ek ry al so lank my Ford bakkie, ek dog so iets is normaal  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2015, 06:11:18 pm
Nou dat jy dit noem, my oil filler sweet ook nogal.

Ek ry al so lank my Ford bakkie, ek dog so iets is normaal  :imaposer:

My Ford bakkie ook,  maar dis 'n Ford bakkie,  nie 'n top of the range voertuig nie.  O ja,  dis onder die bonnet waar ek dit nie kan sien nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2015, 01:34:58 pm
Feeling better.   Popped around to Bavarian this morning and while I scoffed a couple of muffins and took a R1200R for a test ride,  they replaced the brake reservoir top and seal and the 0-rjng on the filler cap.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Frannarossi on May 28, 2015, 04:10:04 pm
Vanoggend toe ek petrol gooi voor ek bietjie weer enduro pro mode gaan aanvat het sien ek 'n sweterigheid aan die starter se kant.......bekyk toe die spul van nader en sien dat die boutjie wat die tensioner vashou binne die enjin los is...bel toe BMW en hulle reken eks nie die eerste ou wat dit oorkom nie....starter sal moet af om dit ordentlik vas te trek.Nou wag ek vir BMW vir 'n nuwe o ring en sommer 'n nuwe rubber by my brake fluid reservoir........(ek het toe maar 'n elkeval die kak uit die bike gery aangesien die manne by BMW sÍ as ek die boutjie weer vasdraai sal hy nie sommer malik loskom nie.Check maar julle s'n.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: eduard on May 28, 2015, 04:20:00 pm
Vanoggend toe ek petrol gooi voor ek bietjie weer enduro pro mode gaan aanvat het sien ek 'n sweterigheid aan die starter se kant.......bekyk toe die spul van nader en sien dat die boutjie wat die tensioner vashou binne die enjin los is...bel toe BMW en hulle reken eks nie die eerste ou wat dit oorkom nie....starter sal moet af om dit ordentlik vas te trek.Nou wag ek vir BMW vir 'n nuwe o ring en sommer 'n nuwe rubber by my brake fluid reservoir........(ek het toe maar 'n elkeval die kak uit die bike gery aangesien die manne by BMW sÍ as ek die boutjie weer vasdraai sal hy nie sommer malik loskom nie.Check maar julle s'n.....

Dankie vir die info
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on May 28, 2015, 04:40:09 pm
Thanks baie. Ek sal kyk vanaand. Dis nou presies hoekom hierdie thread goed is...👍
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on May 31, 2015, 05:33:48 am
Vanoggend toe ek petrol gooi voor ek bietjie weer enduro pro mode gaan aanvat het sien ek 'n sweterigheid aan die starter se kant.......bekyk toe die spul van nader en sien dat die boutjie wat die tensioner vashou binne die enjin los is...bel toe BMW en hulle reken eks nie die eerste ou wat dit oorkom nie....starter sal moet af om dit ordentlik vas te trek.Nou wag ek vir BMW vir 'n nuwe o ring en sommer 'n nuwe rubber by my brake fluid reservoir........(ek het toe maar 'n elkeval die kak uit die bike gery aangesien die manne by BMW sÍ as ek die boutjie weer vasdraai sal hy nie sommer malik loskom nie.Check maar julle s'n.....

Het gaan kyk en myne sweet ook bietjie..... Moet bike terugvat vir handlebar switches vervang, sal sommer dan hanteer.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2015, 10:53:25 am
Vanoggend toe ek petrol gooi voor ek bietjie weer enduro pro mode gaan aanvat het sien ek 'n sweterigheid aan die starter se kant.......bekyk toe die spul van nader en sien dat die boutjie wat die tensioner vashou binne die enjin los is...bel toe BMW en hulle reken eks nie die eerste ou wat dit oorkom nie....starter sal moet af om dit ordentlik vas te trek.Nou wag ek vir BMW vir 'n nuwe o ring en sommer 'n nuwe rubber by my brake fluid reservoir........(ek het toe maar 'n elkeval die kak uit die bike gery aangesien die manne by BMW sÍ as ek die boutjie weer vasdraai sal hy nie sommer malik loskom nie.Check maar julle s'n.....

Myne en die baas s'n getjek.  Geen sweet.  Sal ogie hou.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on June 08, 2015, 10:56:32 am
My regter handlebar switches is so paar weke terug vervang, nou haak die linkerkantstes ook vas. Maar daai bout by die starter is darem vas :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on June 08, 2015, 12:00:04 pm
Vanoggend toe ek petrol gooi voor ek bietjie weer enduro pro mode gaan aanvat het sien ek 'n sweterigheid aan die starter se kant.......bekyk toe die spul van nader en sien dat die boutjie wat die tensioner vashou binne die enjin los is...bel toe BMW en hulle reken eks nie die eerste ou wat dit oorkom nie....starter sal moet af om dit ordentlik vas te trek.Nou wag ek vir BMW vir 'n nuwe o ring en sommer 'n nuwe rubber by my brake fluid reservoir........(ek het toe maar 'n elkeval die kak uit die bike gery aangesien die manne by BMW sÍ as ek die boutjie weer vasdraai sal hy nie sommer malik loskom nie.Check maar julle s'n.....

Het gaan kyk en myne sweet ook bietjie..... Moet bike terugvat vir handlebar switches vervang, sal sommer dan hanteer.

Was daar 'n recall op die switches of ruil hulle soos dit moeilikheid gee?  Ek verbeel my ek het iewers gelees (alhoewel ek dit nie weer kon opspoor nie) dat die 2015 modelle se switches 'n verbetering is maar ek weet nie.  Weet julle dalk iets?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2015, 12:10:33 pm


Was daar 'n recall op die switches of ruil hulle soos dit moeilikheid gee?  Ek verbeel my ek het iewers gelees (alhoewel ek dit nie weer kon opspoor nie) dat die 2015 modelle se switches 'n verbetering is maar ek weet nie.  Weet julle dalk iets?

Nee.  SovÍr ek weet vervang hulle skakelaars soo hulle kalf.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on June 08, 2015, 12:26:40 pm


Was daar 'n recall op die switches of ruil hulle soos dit moeilikheid gee?  Ek verbeel my ek het iewers gelees (alhoewel ek dit nie weer kon opspoor nie) dat die 2015 modelle se switches 'n verbetering is maar ek weet nie.  Weet julle dalk iets?

Nee.  SovÍr ek weet vervang hulle skakelaars soo hulle kalf.

Alles goed en wel maar as jy kak met kak gaan vervang sit jy steeds met kak, dan nie?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tp007 on June 08, 2015, 12:28:04 pm


Was daar 'n recall op die switches of ruil hulle soos dit moeilikheid gee?  Ek verbeel my ek het iewers gelees (alhoewel ek dit nie weer kon opspoor nie) dat die 2015 modelle se switches 'n verbetering is maar ek weet nie.  Weet julle dalk iets?

Nee.  SovÍr ek weet vervang hulle skakelaars soo hulle kalf.
Myne was voorkomend vervang met die 10k diens.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2015, 01:14:14 pm
Alles goed en wel maar as jy kak met kak gaan vervang sit jy steeds met kak, dan nie?

Beslis!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on June 08, 2015, 01:40:16 pm
Wel, ek het nog nie van iemand gehoor wat se skakelaars 2 maal vervang is nie, dalk vervang hulle dit wel met verbeterde eenhede? Veral as AMZ tp007 s'n voorkomend vervang was. Hoekom dit vervang met dieselfde ding as die oorspronklike nog nie stukkend is nie?

Edited.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 08, 2015, 01:42:18 pm
Ek het 10000 op die 2013 gedoen en nou 22000 op die 2014. My enjins breek lank voor die skakelaars.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on June 08, 2015, 02:11:10 pm
Ek het 10000 op die 2013 gedoen en nou 22000 op die 2014. My enjins breek lank voor die skakelaars.


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 :biggrin: Ek weet nie of dit goeie of slegte nuus is nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on June 08, 2015, 02:19:40 pm
Soos wat LKM ry, se dit nogals iets vir die goeie bougehalte van die fiets
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 08, 2015, 03:09:12 pm
:imaposer:

Not sure either, my switchgear has not failed. I've often wondered if there's a connection between the way you wash the bike and the switches getting stuck.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2015, 03:14:14 pm
:imaposer:

Not sure either, my switchgear has not failed. I've often wondered if there's a connection between the way you wash the bike and the switches getting stuck.


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Not sure about that.

I am washing this one no different to my previous one. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on June 08, 2015, 03:23:10 pm
:imaposer:

Not sure either, my switchgear has not failed. I've often wondered if there's a connection between the way you wash the bike and the switches getting stuck.


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Not sure about that.

I am washing this one no different to my previous one. 

I regularly do the final cleaning of my bike, after a wash, with Mr Min. I found that if I spray the switched with Mr Min it stops working for a couple of km's, and then start to work normally. So I stopped spraying the switches with Mr Min, no further problems.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on June 08, 2015, 03:24:31 pm


Was daar 'n recall op die switches of ruil hulle soos dit moeilikheid gee?  Ek verbeel my ek het iewers gelees (alhoewel ek dit nie weer kon opspoor nie) dat die 2015 modelle se switches 'n verbetering is maar ek weet nie.  Weet julle dalk iets?

Nee.  SovÍr ek weet vervang hulle skakelaars soo hulle kalf.


Alles goed en wel maar as jy kak met kak gaan vervang sit jy steeds met kak, dan nie?

Die enigste ding van ou Kak is dat dit nie meer stink nie  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on July 01, 2015, 06:53:29 pm
Ons het sopas Julie geslaan en die laaste post oor probleme was iewers begin Junie.  Nie te sleg nie of is daar iets aan die broei?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 01, 2015, 07:02:44 pm
Ons het sopas Julie geslaan en die laaste post oor probleme was iewers begin Junie.  Nie te sleg nie of is daar iets aan die broei?

LC's val vinniger uitmekaar as wat ons kan tik!   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 06, 2015, 04:53:36 pm
Myne is 'n 2014 Adventure.

Linker skakelaar al twee keer vervang en die regter een keer (gelukkig waarborg item).

Ek moes laas week my clutch vervang op 40 000km, blykbaar normale slytasie. Het my R8500 gekos. Bike commute Pta Jhb en was al so paar keer op grondpad, maar ek het baie min kans gehad vir off road. Geen tegniese werk.
Ek het  80 000km kon doen met my vorige model sonder enige clutch probleme en met haar het ek wel tegniese ry gedoen en 'n paar keer het die clutch lekker gestink maar dit het gehou.

O en die quick shifter moet gereeld reg gemaak word en dan hou dit net 'n paar dae.


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Frannarossi on July 06, 2015, 05:29:06 pm
Eina!
Ek vat myne more George toe om daai brake reservoir seel en die olie lek te laat regmaak.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 06, 2015, 06:34:13 pm
Myne is 'n 2014 Adventure.

Linker skakelaar al twee keer vervang en die regter een keer (gelukkig waarborg item).

Ek moes laas week my clutch vervang op 40 000km, blykbaar normale slytasie. Het my R8500 gekos. Bike commute Pta Jhb en was al so paar keer op grondpad, maar ek het baie min kans gehad vir off road. Geen tegniese werk.
Ek het  80 000km kon doen met my vorige model sonder enige clutch probleme en met haar het ek wel tegniese ry gedoen en 'n paar keer het die clutch lekker gestink maar dit het gehou.

O en die quick shifter moet gereeld reg gemaak word en dan hou dit net 'n paar dae.




n 'Wet clutch soos wat die LC nou ophet, sal (of is veronderstel) om jare te hou. Hulle kan baie meer 'abuse' vat as die ou 'dry clutch' en ek dink regtig die manne het jou gerook. Askies maar dis net my gevoel, na ek sien na al jou probleme met die fiets moet jy tog oorweeg as dit logistiek moontlik is om n ander dealer te besoek, want daai quick shifter moes hul dag een toe hy lol vervang het
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on July 06, 2015, 06:55:37 pm
Ek het al heelwat gelees op die ander forums ook waar die manne probleme het met die quickshifter. Lyk my as hy werk is dit hemels, maar as hy probleem gee dan gee hy hom goed
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jondu on July 06, 2015, 08:07:51 pm
Moenie so se nie. Ek het vandag my fiets met QS gaan haal. Dit werk lekker op die oop pad, maar in die dorp sal ek nog my koppelaar gebruik.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on July 07, 2015, 03:10:18 am
Moenie so se nie. Ek het vandag my fiets met QS gaan haal. Dit werk lekker op die oop pad, maar in die dorp sal ek nog my koppelaar gebruik.

Dit lyk vir my die klagtes het minder geword .... Ek dink dit het te doen met hoe dit ingesit en opgestel word. Myne werk nog 100.

Stem met jou Jondu ..... Werk nie so goed ; en Ek dink nie dit is ontwerp vir stadig ry nie. Werk lekker as jy robot tot robot versnel  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 07, 2015, 01:02:09 pm
Myne is 'n 2014 Adventure.

Linker skakelaar al twee keer vervang en die regter een keer (gelukkig waarborg item).

Ek moes laas week my clutch vervang op 40 000km, blykbaar normale slytasie. Het my R8500 gekos. Bike commute Pta Jhb en was al so paar keer op grondpad, maar ek het baie min kans gehad vir off road. Geen tegniese werk.
Ek het  80 000km kon doen met my vorige model sonder enige clutch probleme en met haar het ek wel tegniese ry gedoen en 'n paar keer het die clutch lekker gestink maar dit het gehou.

O en die quick shifter moet gereeld reg gemaak word en dan hou dit net 'n paar dae.




n 'Wet clutch soos wat die LC nou ophet, sal (of is veronderstel) om jare te hou. Hulle kan baie meer 'abuse' vat as die ou 'dry clutch' en ek dink regtig die manne het jou gerook. Askies maar dis net my gevoel, na ek sien na al jou probleme met die fiets moet jy tog oorweeg as dit logistiek moontlik is om n ander dealer te besoek, want daai quick shifter moes hul dag een toe hy lol vervang het

Hulle het die quickshifter al 'n slag vervang (of gesÍ hulle het).

Die clutch is skynbaar baie kleiner en saam met die meer krag slyt hy vinniger, of so sÍ hulle. Hy het begin gly, toe sit hulle 'n nuwe presure plate en toe hy weer begin het hulle gesÍ die clutch plate is op minimum dikte en die hele clutch moet vervang word. Ek het natuurlik aangeneem dit sal onder waarborg wees maar hulle help my toe gou reg. Ek het BMW SA ook gevra en hulle wou ook niks weet nie. Betaal vir 'n nuwe clutch of los in die garage.
As jy wil hÍ die bike moet vir jare hou moet jy dit op 'n trickle charger sit en net nou en dan ry.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2015, 10:12:40 am
Myne is 'n 2014 Adventure.

Linker skakelaar al twee keer vervang en die regter een keer (gelukkig waarborg item).

Ek moes laas week my clutch vervang op 40 000km, blykbaar normale slytasie. Het my R8500 gekos. Bike commute Pta Jhb en was al so paar keer op grondpad, maar ek het baie min kans gehad vir off road. Geen tegniese werk.
Ek het  80 000km kon doen met my vorige model sonder enige clutch probleme en met haar het ek wel tegniese ry gedoen en 'n paar keer het die clutch lekker gestink maar dit het gehou.

O en die quick shifter moet gereeld reg gemaak word en dan hou dit net 'n paar dae.




n 'Wet clutch soos wat die LC nou ophet, sal (of is veronderstel) om jare te hou. Hulle kan baie meer 'abuse' vat as die ou 'dry clutch' en ek dink regtig die manne het jou gerook. Askies maar dis net my gevoel, na ek sien na al jou probleme met die fiets moet jy tog oorweeg as dit logistiek moontlik is om n ander dealer te besoek, want daai quick shifter moes hul dag een toe hy lol vervang het

Hulle het die quickshifter al 'n slag vervang (of gesÍ hulle het).

Die clutch is skynbaar baie kleiner en saam met die meer krag slyt hy vinniger, of so sÍ hulle. Hy het begin gly, toe sit hulle 'n nuwe presure plate en toe hy weer begin het hulle gesÍ die clutch plate is op minimum dikte en die hele clutch moet vervang word. Ek het natuurlik aangeneem dit sal onder waarborg wees maar hulle help my toe gou reg. Ek het BMW SA ook gevra en hulle wou ook niks weet nie.

Ek kan nie sien dat enige vervaardiger, motorfiets of kar, op 40 000km nog 'n koppelaar onder waarborg sal vervang nie.  Dit bly egter 'n gatslag as die ding kalf en mens moet betaal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: ROMMEL HOND on July 08, 2015, 02:45:42 pm
Miskien moet ek maar my 2012 ADV langer ry.te minste gaan die bankbestuurder smile.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 08, 2015, 02:59:25 pm



As jy wil hÍ die bike moet vir jare hou moet jy dit op 'n trickle charger sit en net nou en dan ry.

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on July 14, 2015, 08:53:17 am
:imaposer:

Not sure either, my switchgear has not failed. I've often wondered if there's a connection between the way you wash the bike and the switches getting stuck.


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 :sip: I use Cling wrap, cut a roll of Cling wrap smaller (in half) use that to wrap your switches to keep the water out while washing the bike. I use an old toothbrush later to clean the switch bodies.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2015, 09:34:18 am

 :sip: I use Cling wrap, cut a roll of Cling wrap smaller (in half) use that to wrap your switches to keep the water out while washing the bike. I use an old toothbrush later to clean the switch bodies.

How do you handle riding in the rain???
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on July 14, 2015, 09:37:33 am
Ons het sopas Julie geslaan en die laaste post oor probleme was iewers begin Junie.  Nie te sleg nie of is daar iets aan die broei?

LC's val vinniger uitmekaar as wat ons kan tik!   :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on July 14, 2015, 09:44:09 am
Kerels, ek ry self 'n BMW - ja nou wel 'n 800 - maar donner, hier is darem baie probleme op 'n fiets wat so baie geld kos.  Clingwrapping your switches when washing it!?   :patch:


Ek hoor mens kan hierdie top-of-the-range reŽnpakke by BMW koop teen baie billike pryse  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on July 14, 2015, 10:13:12 am
Kerels, ek ry self 'n BMW - ja nou wel 'n 800 - maar donner, hier is darem baie probleme op 'n fiets wat so baie geld kos.  Clingwrapping your switches when washing it!?   :patch:


Ek hoor mens kan hierdie top-of-the-range reŽnpakke by BMW koop teen baie billike pryse  :biggrin:

Die ou wat cling-wrap ry 'n Truimph..... :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on July 14, 2015, 10:15:05 am
hehehehe, ja soms tik ek vinniger as wat ek lees Noneking  :P
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2015, 10:15:51 am
Kerels, ek ry self 'n BMW - ja nou wel 'n 800 - maar donner, hier is darem baie probleme op 'n fiets wat so baie geld kos.  Clingwrapping your switches when washing it!?  :patch:


Ek hoor mens kan hierdie top-of-the-range reŽnpakke by BMW koop teen baie billike pryse  :biggrin:

hehehehe, ja soms tik ek vinniger as wat ek lees Noneking  :P


Is okay, jy moet maar die Triumph ryer BMW toe beduie  ....   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on July 14, 2015, 10:17:34 am
..... ek gaan nou sommer stert tussen die bene hier wegsluip na ek my naam velskoen gemaak het kerels.  Aanvaar asseblief my opregte verskoning dat ek ooit - ooit - BMW se skakelaars in twyfel getrek het.



sluip, sluip hier gaan ek ........


 :3some:


Mods, verban my asseblief  :)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on July 14, 2015, 10:21:48 am
Kyk, ek het al baie BMW gery oor baie km in die laaste 15 jaar en behalwe vir my HP2 ( wyk Satan) het ek nog nooit ń dag se probleme met enige een van hulle gehad nie....... Maar BMW manne like om te moan amper soveel soos bike ry...... :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2015, 10:25:52 am
..... ek gaan nou sommer stert tussen die bene hier wegsluip na ek my naam velskoen gemaak het kerels.  Aanvaar asseblief my opregte verskoning dat ek ooit - ooit - BMW se skakelaars in twyfel getrek het.



sluip, sluip hier gaan ek ........


 :3some:


Mods, verban my asseblief  :)

A nee a!  Jou banggat!  Kom terug!  Ons wil jou nog moeilikheid gee!   :imaposer:

Kyk, ek het al baie BMW gery oor baie km in die laaste 15 jaar en behalwe vir my HP2 ( wyk Satan) het ek nog nooit ń dag se probleme met enige een van hulle gehad nie....... Maar BMW manne like om te moan amper soveel soos bike ry...... :pot:

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:

Kyk, ek het al baie BMW gery oor baie km in die laaste 15 jaar en behalwe vir my HP2 ( wyk Satan) het ek nog nooit ń dag se probleme met enige een van hulle gehad nie.......

Ekself is op my tweede een.  Eerste een so amper, amper 110 000km sonder streke.  Tweede een is 'n LC.  Net na so 10000km het sy regter skakelaars gegroet en so rukkie later sweet op die brake fluid reservoir.  Nie een 'n moewiese problem nie en altwee reggestel sonder kerm en kla.

My vrou is op haar 4de een.  Seker so 200 000km in total op die eerste drie, wat probleemvry geloop het.  Haar LC het ook die swetende voorrem reservoir gehad op so 25000km.  Ook reggestel.

Die klein goetjies is wel irriterend as mens 'n nuwe voertuig koop.  Mens verwag die ding moet soos 'n Switserse horlosie loop.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on July 15, 2015, 02:24:11 pm
Na my clutch issues, is hierdie miskien 'n verklaring hoekom die clutch so vinnig slyt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI)

Interressant is dat iemand wat baie aan BMW's werk (ons ken hom almal) die naweek noem dat jy die LC's in nutraal moet sit om rond te stoot in die shop. As hulle in rat is met die clutch in stoot hulle geweldig moeilik. Dit is nie die geval met die oues nie.

Dit blyk die clutch "disengage" nie behoorlik nie, so as jy commute soos ek en baie by robotte staan met die fiets in rat en die clutch ingetrek is die plate heeltyd besig om te skuur teen mekaar wat verklaar hoekom die slytasie so hoog is.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 02:37:53 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on July 15, 2015, 02:39:42 pm
Pot en ketel??
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 02:48:53 pm
Pot en ketel??

Noneking at work,  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on July 15, 2015, 02:59:13 pm
Pot en ketel??

Noneking at work,  :imaposer:


Soos ek vandag voel........


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 03:04:05 pm
Pot en ketel??

Noneking at work,  :imaposer:


Soos ek vandag voel........

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

LED spots en al, :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 15, 2015, 03:13:16 pm
Na my clutch issues, is hierdie miskien 'n verklaring hoekom die clutch so vinnig slyt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI)

Interressant is dat iemand wat baie aan BMW's werk (ons ken hom almal) die naweek noem dat jy die LC's in nutraal moet sit om rond te stoot in die shop. As hulle in rat is met die clutch in stoot hulle geweldig moeilik. Dit is nie die geval met die oues nie.

Dit blyk die clutch "disengage" nie behoorlik nie, so as jy commute soos ek en baie by robotte staan met die fiets in rat en die clutch ingetrek is die plate heeltyd besig om te skuur teen mekaar wat verklaar hoekom die slytasie so hoog is.

Lyk my so ja - baie interessant.
n Wet cluch kan ook soos ek reeds genoem het baie meer hammering vat as n dry clutch, so as die setup reg opgestel is soos wat dit moet werk sal hy n dry clutch oorleef by verre. En dan; dis baie maklik om DIY die wet clutch te vervang, dry is nogal n mission....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 03:24:48 pm
Na my clutch issues, is hierdie miskien 'n verklaring hoekom die clutch so vinnig slyt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmRAiECCGI)

Interressant is dat iemand wat baie aan BMW's werk (ons ken hom almal) die naweek noem dat jy die LC's in nutraal moet sit om rond te stoot in die shop. As hulle in rat is met die clutch in stoot hulle geweldig moeilik. Dit is nie die geval met die oues nie.

Dit blyk die clutch "disengage" nie behoorlik nie, so as jy commute soos ek en baie by robotte staan met die fiets in rat en die clutch ingetrek is die plate heeltyd besig om te skuur teen mekaar wat verklaar hoekom die slytasie so hoog is.

'n Ander man wat gereeld aan BMW's werk vertel my die storie so.   Die LC het 'n wet clutch.   Die olie tussen die plate veroorsaak die gevoel waarvan die persoon praat.  As dit so tree gestoot is,  gaan dit los.  


Sal interessant wees om dieselfde toets soos op die video met ander wet clutch bikes te sien.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 03:26:26 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 03:58:03 pm
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to engage both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.   On engaging wheel give about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 04:18:50 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 04:22:59 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 04:28:57 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:

O'
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 04:32:55 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:

O'


Ag nee tog!   Gedag jy wat Jakkals is kan skryf eerder as memes post.   Die wÍreld val uitmekaar.  Dis skokkend.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 04:38:31 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:

O'


Ag nee tog!   Gedag jy wat Jakkals is kan skryf eerder as memes post.   Die wÍreld val uitmekaar.  Dis skokkend.

Kom ons los nou maar die grappies hier, jy weet hierdie is nie die plek vir dit nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on July 15, 2015, 06:10:19 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:

O'


Ag nee tog!   Gedag jy wat Jakkals is kan skryf eerder as memes post.   Die wÍreld val uitmekaar.  Dis skokkend.

Kom ons los nou maar die grappies hier, jy weet hierdie is nie die plek vir dit nie.
Ag siestog. Soek jy 'n pieringtjie melk???😉
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on July 15, 2015, 06:28:43 pm
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to select both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.  On engaging wheel gives about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Did the same tests, coincidentally while developing my CAN switch thingy. On mine it scratches a bit when selecting either 1st or 2nd, but also rolls and stops. If I then let the clutch out the wheel starts turning, and continues turning even if I engage (pull in) the clutch again. But, if I activate the rear brake the wheel stop, without any noticeable load on the engine (i.e. clutch is not dragging). I put the continued wheel turning down to the fact that it is a wet clutch, there will always be some torque transferred even with the clutch engaged... just like an automatic gearbox's clutch.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2015, 07:04:15 pm
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to select both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.  On engaging wheel gives about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Did the same tests, coincidentally while developing my CAN switch thingy. On mine it scratches a bit when selecting either 1st or 2nd, but also rolls and stops. If I then let the clutch out the wheel starts turning, and continues turning even if I engage (pull in) the clutch again. But, if I activate the rear brake the wheel stop, without any noticeable load on the engine (i.e. clutch is not dragging). I put the continued wheel turning down to the fact that it is a wet clutch, there will always be some torque transferred even with the clutch engaged... just like an automatic gearbox's clutch.

Agreed on the wheel continuing the turning.  Typical of a wet clutch.   
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 07:04:29 pm

Ek dink jy is so half reg, maar nie henemal nie.  Wat ek kwaai laaik van BMW ry, is dat die Yamaha-manne so hard moan oor my BMW, ek hoef nie my asem te mors nie.   :imaposer:


SÍ die man wat so baie op die S10 thread post,  :lol8:

Es too,  maar ek het besluit om maar die pad te vat daar.  Was lekker gesellig tot ek my in sondaar van die arrogantes vasgeloop het.   Blech!

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dis nou die ou wat gesÍ het,  baie mense weet nie waarvan hulle praat nie,

Dis by daai.   Ek was so kwaad ek het tot my vrou se Yamaha kitaar verbrand.   Nou slaap ek saam die honde en in die nag huil hulle soos Jakkalse en...  en.  Dis te vreeslik.  Ek is so gebroke ek ruil sommer my LC in op 'n Chinese scooter.    :imaposer:

O'


Ag nee tog!   Gedag jy wat Jakkals is kan skryf eerder as memes post.   Die wÍreld val uitmekaar.  Dis skokkend.

Kom ons los nou maar die grappies hier, jy weet hierdie is nie die plek vir dit nie.
Ag siestog. Soek jy 'n pieringtjie melk???😉

Hoezit Draadtrek, thanks, Hall & Sons se ongepasteuriseerde Jersey melk sal doen,  :thumleft: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on July 15, 2015, 07:11:30 pm
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to select both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.  On engaging wheel gives about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Did the same tests, coincidentally while developing my CAN switch thingy. On mine it scratches a bit when selecting either 1st or 2nd, but also rolls and stops. If I then let the clutch out the wheel starts turning, and continues turning even if I engage (pull in) the clutch again. But, if I activate the rear brake the wheel stop, without any noticeable load on the engine (i.e. clutch is not dragging). I put the continued wheel turning down to the fact that it is a wet clutch, there will always be some torque transferred even with the clutch engaged... just like an automatic gearbox's clutch.

Agreed on the wheel continuing the turning.  Typical of a wet clutch.  

Jip, nog al my wet clutch bikes wat ek gehad het, ketting en shaft  se agter wiel het gedraai as hulle op die centre stand gestaan het in neutral, as jy die rpm's op tel verander die spoed van die wiel ook.

Maar daar is so min weerstand dat jy die wiel sagies met die hand kan laat stil staan, so dit is nie die clutches wat teen mekaar druk nie maar eerder die olie tussen hulle wat maak dat die output shaft draai as daar geen weerstand is nie, of so sou ek dink.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on July 16, 2015, 08:18:32 am
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to select both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.  On engaging wheel gives about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Did the same tests, coincidentally while developing my CAN switch thingy. On mine it scratches a bit when selecting either 1st or 2nd, but also rolls and stops. If I then let the clutch out the wheel starts turning, and continues turning even if I engage (pull in) the clutch again. But, if I activate the rear brake the wheel stop, without any noticeable load on the engine (i.e. clutch is not dragging). I put the continued wheel turning down to the fact that it is a wet clutch, there will always be some torque transferred even with the clutch engaged... just like an automatic gearbox's clutch.

Agreed on the wheel continuing the turning.  Typical of a wet clutch.  

Jip, nog al my wet clutch bikes wat ek gehad het, ketting en shaft  se agter wiel het gedraai as hulle op die centre stand gestaan het in neutral, as jy die rpm's op tel verander die spoed van die wiel ook.

Maar daar is so min weerstand dat jy die wiel sagies met die hand kan laat stil staan, so dit is nie die clutches wat teen mekaar druk nie maar eerder die olie tussen hulle wat maak dat die output shaft draai as daar geen weerstand is nie, of so sou ek dink.

Amper soos 'n viscous coupling...maak sin.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 16, 2015, 09:06:16 am
Did a quick test,  as per video posted by Gryshond, on both our 2014 bikes  

Centre stand,  bike idling,  clutch out,  rear wheel stands still.   Easy to select both 1st and 2nd,  no scratching of gears at all.  On engaging wheel gives about half a turn and then stops. Also easy to re-engage neutral.
Did the same tests, coincidentally while developing my CAN switch thingy. On mine it scratches a bit when selecting either 1st or 2nd, but also rolls and stops. If I then let the clutch out the wheel starts turning, and continues turning even if I engage (pull in) the clutch again. But, if I activate the rear brake the wheel stop, without any noticeable load on the engine (i.e. clutch is not dragging). I put the continued wheel turning down to the fact that it is a wet clutch, there will always be some torque transferred even with the clutch engaged... just like an automatic gearbox's clutch.

Agreed on the wheel continuing the turning.  Typical of a wet clutch.  

Jip, nog al my wet clutch bikes wat ek gehad het, ketting en shaft  se agter wiel het gedraai as hulle op die centre stand gestaan het in neutral, as jy die rpm's op tel verander die spoed van die wiel ook.

Maar daar is so min weerstand dat jy die wiel sagies met die hand kan laat stil staan, so dit is nie die clutches wat teen mekaar druk nie maar eerder die olie tussen hulle wat maak dat die output shaft draai as daar geen weerstand is nie, of so sou ek dink.

Amper soos 'n viscous coupling...maak sin.

Inderdaad.  Dis hoe ek nog altyd 'n wet clutch ervaar het.

Inteendeel, my DL1000 het in die winter na eerste start in 1st rat met clutch in, 'n rukkie lank so hard gestoot mens moes die briek inhou sodat die fiets stilstaan.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1190 on July 16, 2015, 09:37:34 am
Don't run your screemer on the centre stand for to long not good for the drive shaft at that angle. (read it somewhere will try find the link)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: SGB on July 16, 2015, 07:58:53 pm
Don't run your screemer on the centre stand for to long not good for the drive shaft at that angle. (read it somewhere will try find the link)

Who on earth would want to do that?  And why?
I hear it is also not good to run it upside down.  The seat will get scratched.....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 16, 2015, 08:32:31 pm
Don't run your screemer on the centre stand for to long not good for the drive shaft at that angle. (read it somewhere will try find the link)

Who on earth would want to do that?  And why?
I hear it is also not good to run it upside down.  The seat will get scratched.....

Wondering myself.   The movement of the shaft,  ie movement absorbed by the universal joints is more when I sit on the bike,  compared to the wheel hanging free.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1190 on July 18, 2015, 01:59:48 pm
Don't run your screemer on the centre stand for to long not good for the drive shaft at that angle. (read it somewhere will try find the link)

Who on earth would want to do that?  And why?
I hear it is also not good to run it upside down.  The seat will get scratched.....

Wondering myself.   The movement of the shaft,  ie movement absorbed by the universal joints is more when I sit on the bike,  compared to the wheel hanging free.

Some okes in the free state run it on the center stand to lube the chain..... :imaposer: :imaposer:

"backlash will be evident as there is no load on the final drive. Not a good practice to run it in gear on the stand, but for a brief run, no harm done."
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 18, 2015, 02:08:08 pm
Don't run your screemer on the centre stand for to long not good for the drive shaft at that angle. (read it somewhere will try find the link)

Who on earth would want to do that?  And why?
I hear it is also not good to run it upside down.  The seat will get scratched.....

Wondering myself.   The movement of the shaft,  ie movement absorbed by the universal joints is more when I sit on the bike,  compared to the wheel hanging free.

Some okes in the free state run it on the center stand to lube the chain..... :imaposer: :imaposer:

Ja!   Then they tell their buddies to always use SomeOil EP20ZX Super as he has used it and no chain issues in 50000km!   :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on July 18, 2015, 09:59:24 pm
My chain on my LC is also almost non-existent. Almost like I don't have one at all. I haven't had the need to service the chain in all the kilometers on my bike 😉
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on August 21, 2015, 12:15:39 pm
Took my bike for the software update and new quickshifter. Mentioned the clutch. Got it back and now the clutch disengages completely. Bike on centre stand in gear with clutch pulled in, rear wheel stationary (hot or cold makes no difference). Can also push it around while in gear with the clutch pulled in and feels exactly the same as when in neutral.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: metadata on September 30, 2015, 02:03:24 pm
I have done 17 000km and the clutch has given out.  This is before the rear tyre did.  I am seriously not impressed.  BM don't want to cover under warranty.  This wet clutch was supposed to be better.  BM have also had my bike for over three months, after I told them it was a clutch problem on day 1.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on November 18, 2015, 04:30:06 pm
I took my 2015 GSA in for it's 10k service today .... I also asked them to look at the clutch because I also have difficultly to engage Neutral etc...

It seems that they are of the view that the Clutch needs to be replaced .... They will open it and let me know.

I am waiting to see why ...... I will also hear if BMW will cover the replacement.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on November 19, 2015, 08:23:20 pm
The clutch is replaced by Zambezi , and I can pick up the bike .

A clutch is a wear and tear item , so strictly not covered by the warranty .

Zambezi , thanks to their service manager , will cover the costs of my replacement.  : :thumleft:

I will enquire tomorrow why it went so soon .
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on November 19, 2015, 08:25:51 pm
 :sip: I wonder if they'll send you on a free riders course.  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on November 20, 2015, 11:33:19 am
:sip: I wonder if they'll send you on a free riders course.  :spitcoffee:

"How not to break the clutch 101"

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on November 28, 2015, 03:22:20 pm
So, theoretically, many of the engine and gearbox issues described here should also surface among the RTs.  Does anyone know if this is the case?  If not, what could be the reason?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 14, 2016, 10:14:08 am
Seeing as I am the guy who experiences the problems first, here is the next one to look out for - Drive Shaft Failure

I now have 55 000km on my K51 and on Monday when I pulled off from a traffic light it suddenly lost drive and made a very bad scratching sound around the final drive area.

BMW have stripped it and advise that I am wrong and that the problem is not at the final drive end but where the drive shaft goes into the gearbox. They further say that there is water in the oil and that the shaft and gears even have some rust. They then questioned whether I rode in water. I assume they mean in the past 5000 km (since they last serviced it and the oil had no water in it) which equates to approximately 2 months at the rate I pile on km.

Of course I have not ridden in water, not even rain as it has not been raining. The warranty claim has gone in and I will keep you updated. I can't see how they cannot fix it under warranty, I just hope they hurry because driving a car sucks.

Not sure how water got in there but if I had to guess I would say it is those damn bike washers at motorad who wash everything with high pressure washers including switch gear (4 replacements and counting), quick shifter box (2 replacements and counting) and of course engine and drive shaft.

When I replace my bike I am going to insist that the new one never be washed by BMW
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on January 14, 2016, 12:05:55 pm
Damn.

I've signed up for an extended warrantee that includes the shaft and kicked in June 2015. Seems like this was a good idea.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DaveT on January 14, 2016, 01:07:22 pm
Seeing as I am the guy who experiences the problems first, here is the next one to look out for - Drive Shaft Failure

I now have 55 000km on my K51 and on Monday when I pulled off from a traffic light it suddenly lost drive and made a very bad scratching sound around the final drive area.

BMW have stripped it and advise that I am wrong and that the problem is not at the final drive end but where the drive shaft goes into the gearbox. They further say that there is water in the oil and that the shaft and gears even have some rust. They then questioned whether I rode in water. I assume they mean in the past 5000 km (since they last serviced it and the oil had no water in it) which equates to approximately 2 months at the rate I pile on km.

Of course I have not ridden in water, not even rain as it has not been raining. The warranty claim has gone in and I will keep you updated. I can't see how they cannot fix it under warranty, I just hope they hurry because driving a car sucks.

Not sure how water got in there but if I had to guess I would say it is those damn bike washers at motorad who wash everything with high pressure washers including switch gear (4 replacements and counting), quick shifter box (2 replacements and counting) and of course engine and drive shaft.

When I replace my bike I am going to insist that the new one never be washed by BMW


Gryshond, how does one not drive in water with an adventure bike. Surely this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 14, 2016, 01:16:01 pm
Damn.

I've signed up for an extended warrantee that includes the shaft and kicked in June 2015. Seems like this was a good idea.

Don't worry too much.  The shafts on BMW's, long before the LC, lasted erratically to say the least.  My own 09 model had 108k km when I traded it in with its original shaft.  A friend had an 09 which was on its third shaft by 108k km.

The warranty claim has gone in and I will keep you updated. I can't see how they cannot fix it under warranty, I just hope they hurry because driving a car sucks.



Janee, this must surely be a warranty issue.

Sorry about the time in the car!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 19, 2016, 08:13:21 am
Update on my shaft issue.

They stripped the bike on Wednesday, got warranty approval on Friday and ordered the part, received the parts on Monday and will be finished today (Tuesday). Now that is what I cal a quick turnaround.

They have also undertaken to closely monitor the wash bay as per my suggestion as it seems clear that the only way water could get into the shaft housing is by using a high pressure washer to blow the water past the seals.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2016, 09:16:56 am
Update on my shaft issue.

They stripped the bike on Wednesday, got warranty approval on Friday and ordered the part, received the parts on Monday and will be finished today (Tuesday). Now that is what I cal a quick turnaround.

They have also undertaken to closely monitor the wash bay as per my suggestion as it seems clear that the only way water could get into the shaft housing is by using a high pressure washer to blow the water past the seals.

Good to hear.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 19, 2016, 09:17:17 am
Update on my shaft issue.

They stripped the bike on Wednesday, got warranty approval on Friday and ordered the part, received the parts on Monday and will be finished today (Tuesday). Now that is what I cal a quick turnaround.

They have also undertaken to closely monitor the wash bay as per my suggestion as it seems clear that the only way water could get into the shaft housing is by using a high pressure washer to blow the water past the seals.

Glad you are sorted!   :thumleft:

I have to wonder about that wash bay.  How many bikes do they wash a day?  If that was where the water came from, they should be replacing shafts at a great rate of knots.  I wonder if there is another issue somewhere perhaps? 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 0012 on January 19, 2016, 11:12:19 am
Happy to hear you got sorted Gryshond  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 19, 2016, 01:39:20 pm
Update on my shaft issue.

They stripped the bike on Wednesday, got warranty approval on Friday and ordered the part, received the parts on Monday and will be finished today (Tuesday). Now that is what I cal a quick turnaround.

They have also undertaken to closely monitor the wash bay as per my suggestion as it seems clear that the only way water could get into the shaft housing is by using a high pressure washer to blow the water past the seals.

Glad you are sorted!   :thumleft:

I have to wonder about that wash bay.  How many bikes do they wash a day?  If that was where the water came from, they should be replacing shafts at a great rate of knots.  I wonder if there is another issue somewhere perhaps? 

We will have to wait and see, as I said I am usually first to experience problems due to the high km's I do. I know that the switchgear problems have been reported by many owners and the Quickshifter as well.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 19, 2016, 03:20:05 pm
Update on my shaft issue.

They stripped the bike on Wednesday, got warranty approval on Friday and ordered the part, received the parts on Monday and will be finished today (Tuesday). Now that is what I cal a quick turnaround.

They have also undertaken to closely monitor the wash bay as per my suggestion as it seems clear that the only way water could get into the shaft housing is by using a high pressure washer to blow the water past the seals.

Glad you are sorted!   :thumleft:

I have to wonder about that wash bay.  How many bikes do they wash a day?  If that was where the water came from, they should be replacing shafts at a great rate of knots.  I wonder if there is another issue somewhere perhaps? 

We will have to wait and see, as I said I am usually first to experience problems due to the high km's I do. I know that the switchgear problems have been reported by many owners and the Quickshifter as well.


 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Mzee on January 29, 2016, 06:08:20 am
I have 105,000kms on my Sten and nothing of the sort of problems you are reporting.  How do you ride?  :pot: ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on January 29, 2016, 06:25:51 am
I have 105,000kms on my Sten and nothing of the sort of problems you are reporting.  How do you ride?  :pot: ;D

I. have had many vehicles,  bikes,  cars,  bakkies over the years.   Some awesome,  some not.   I have learnt many things about these vehicles over the years.   One important thing I learned was never to brag or gloat about a vehicle that is not under warranty anymore.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on September 16, 2016, 10:38:56 am
Does anyone notice a ticking sound coming from the left hand side of the engine under hard acceleration above 5500 rpm? I am not sure what it could be, as it is a similar sound as what was described as "pinging" on my previous air cooled gs. I did not notice it on my lc before, which now has almost 6000km on?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on September 17, 2016, 09:58:12 pm
Does anyone notice a ticking sound coming from the left hand side of the engine under hard acceleration above 5500 rpm? I am not sure what it could be, as it is a similar sound as what was described as "pinging" on my previous air cooled gs. I did not notice it on my lc before, which now has almost 6000km on?

After 30000km I hear no ticking, however...

On my 2013 I heard inexplicable noises and the timing chain broke around 10000km which destroyed the engine and gearbox. BMW replaced the bike which was just 6 months old at the time.

On my 2014, the replacement bike, I heard  inexplicable noises just before the clutch basket nut came loose around 20000km which destroyed the engine and gearbox. BMW replaced the engine/gearbox unit.

If I hear noises I go to the dealer to investigate immediately. I also then ride at least one other bike to compare just to be sure it's not my imagination.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on September 18, 2016, 08:44:09 am
Mine has 38000 and the only noise I hear is the tappets, not sure if they will do these on the 40k service
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Zeeman on September 23, 2016, 03:04:54 pm
These bikes seem to be noisy.  I hear noises from the driveshaft when riding rough terrain slowly.
It reminds me of my land rover - when you release the clutch too quickly it has freeplay on the
driveshaft and makes the same sound.

It worries me that there is so much freeplay.  Does this sound normal and has anybody else noticed this?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on September 24, 2016, 06:39:49 am
On the clutch replacement discussed on the previous page.
I spoke to one of the trophy riders and he was of opinion the wet clutch is not much better than the previous dry clutch, his clutch was on its way out. The other guy in our team was already on his second clutch but that guy could do a slow race till he got bored.
My air cooled have also seen a fair bit of trophy training and was also on second clutch so its normal, just sharing someones opinion that is used to really abusing an component.

I just know on the air cooled you can ride the clutch till you are in a cloud of smoke, the bike will sometimes refuse to get out of first. Park for ten minutes and its fine again.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: gee on September 26, 2016, 03:51:39 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Nish on September 26, 2016, 04:12:31 pm
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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zacapa on September 26, 2016, 08:08:59 pm
On the old airhead R80/R100 type Beemers of the '80's I would expect a clutch to last anywhere between 80-120K km or so. 30 years later - Progress or what?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on September 26, 2016, 08:55:30 pm
The clutch is replaced by Zambezi , and I can pick up the bike .

A clutch is a wear and tear item , so strictly not covered by the warranty .

Zambezi , thanks to their service manager , will cover the costs of my replacement.  : :thumleft:

I will enquire tomorrow why it went so soon .


As posted above .... I had my LC's Clutch relaced at 10k .... I do ride off road but never IMHO rode on such a level that the clutch took a beating. I , from the start complained about the clutch not taking properly .... thus I had problems pushing the bike when  in gear and the clutch pulled in ....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on September 27, 2016, 08:11:50 am
The clutch is replaced by Zambezi , and I can pick up the bike .

A clutch is a wear and tear item , so strictly not covered by the warranty .

Zambezi , thanks to their service manager , will cover the costs of my replacement.  : :thumleft:

I will enquire tomorrow why it went so soon .



As posted above .... I had my LC's Clutch relaced at 10k .... I do ride off road but never IMHO rode on such a level that the clutch took a beating. I , from the start complained about the clutch not taking properly .... thus I had problems pushing the bike when  in gear and the clutch pulled in ....

My clutch takes right at the end of the lever movement so when I pull the lever it disengages almost immediately.  I have got used to it now but would prefer it somewhere in the middle of the clutch levers action.  It was the same on my last LC taking just before full release of the lever.  Makes me worry the clutch is dragging and/or slipping
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 02, 2016, 10:29:46 pm
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 02, 2016, 10:43:42 pm
The clutch is replaced by Zambezi , and I can pick up the bike .

A clutch is a wear and tear item , so strictly not covered by the warranty .

Zambezi , thanks to their service manager , will cover the costs of my replacement.  : :thumleft:

I will enquire tomorrow why it went so soon .


As posted above .... I had my LC's Clutch relaced at 10k .... I do ride off road but never IMHO rode on such a level that the clutch took a beating. I , from the start complained about the clutch not taking properly .... thus I had problems pushing the bike when  in gear and the clutch pulled in ....
On previous LC I also had problems to push the bike when in gear. I was however told that it was mechanically sound and should be like that?...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 03, 2016, 08:02:48 am
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.

Two year warranty, if it's over the two years, I am sure they will attend to it in good faith
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on October 03, 2016, 08:14:52 am
The clutch is replaced by Zambezi , and I can pick up the bike .

A clutch is a wear and tear item , so strictly not covered by the warranty .

Zambezi , thanks to their service manager , will cover the costs of my replacement.  : :thumleft:

I will enquire tomorrow why it went so soon .


As posted above .... I had my LC's Clutch relaced at 10k .... I do ride off road but never IMHO rode on such a level that the clutch took a beating. I , from the start complained about the clutch not taking properly .... thus I had problems pushing the bike when  in gear and the clutch pulled in ....
On previous LC I also had problems to push the bike when in gear. I was however told that it was mechanically sound and should be like that?...


As ek reg verstaan is dit weens wet clutch?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on October 03, 2016, 08:22:00 am
On the old airhead R80/R100 type Beemers of the '80's I would expect a clutch to last anywhere between 80-120K km or so. 30 years later - Progress or what?

The air cooled will also do that easily with normal use.  I have friends with 160k km now on the original.
Very few cases of air cooled bikes with clutch issues if unabused.

I will be concerned with the LC clutch if BMW does not pay up. Seems like the 'take' should really get some attention.

Btw, trophy guys can get smoke out of that wet clutch as well!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 03, 2016, 08:32:41 am
On the old airhead R80/R100 type Beemers of the '80's I would expect a clutch to last anywhere between 80-120K km or so. 30 years later - Progress or what?

The air cooled will also do that easily with normal use.  I have friends with 160k km now on the original.
Very few cases of air cooled bikes with clutch issues if unabused.

I will be concerned with the LC clutch if BMW does not pay up. Seems like the 'take' should really get some attention.

Btw, trophy guys can get smoke out of that wet clutch as well!

If you watched on Ignition TV the GS Trophy event in Thailand, a clutch was replaced on one of those bikes as well.  I think they were full spec model GS's
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 03, 2016, 08:44:00 am
On the old airhead R80/R100 type Beemers of the '80's I would expect a clutch to last anywhere between 80-120K km or so. 30 years later - Progress or what?

The air cooled will also do that easily with normal use.  I have friends with 160k km now on the original.
Very few cases of air cooled bikes with clutch issues if unabused.

I will be concerned with the LC clutch if BMW does not pay up. Seems like the 'take' should really get some attention.

Btw, trophy guys can get smoke out of that wet clutch as well!

If you watched on Ignition TV the GS Trophy event in Thailand, a clutch was replaced on one of those bikes as well.  I think they were full spec model GS's
Coincidentally I watched it again on ignition, was great to see it again. But, I got the feeling there was some bias towards ze german team there, actually felt great to know the saffers beat them in spite of this.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 03, 2016, 09:01:55 am
On the old airhead R80/R100 type Beemers of the '80's I would expect a clutch to last anywhere between 80-120K km or so. 30 years later - Progress or what?

The air cooled will also do that easily with normal use.  I have friends with 160k km now on the original.
Very few cases of air cooled bikes with clutch issues if unabused.

I will be concerned with the LC clutch if BMW does not pay up. Seems like the 'take' should really get some attention.

Btw, trophy guys can get smoke out of that wet clutch as well!

If you watched on Ignition TV the GS Trophy event in Thailand, a clutch was replaced on one of those bikes as well.  I think they were full spec model GS's
Coincidentally I watched it again on ignition, was great to see it again. But, I got the feeling there was some bias towards ze german team there, actually felt great to know the saffers beat them in spite of this.  :lol8:

Agreed, imho it was all about the German Team with very little to do with anybody else except the ladies team
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on October 03, 2016, 11:45:54 pm
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.

Yes I also had a bit of a leak on one shock. Replaced oil seal and oil under extended warrantee. The oil allowed me to notice that I push the bike a bit harder than i thought I did. Suspension compression all the way to the top, yet I have rarely felt full compression, when Hitting a large rock for instance.

At this point, the extended warrantee was not yet worth it, but I guess I am getting there after this party.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 04, 2016, 07:57:30 am
Warranty is why I traded a perfect 2014 GSA on a 2016 Trophy
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on October 04, 2016, 02:29:00 pm
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.

OomD, ek dink jy het een van die "wet shock" modelle gekoop, moenie bekommer nie  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 04, 2016, 03:02:12 pm
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.

OomD, ek dink jy het een van die "wet shock" modelle gekoop, moenie bekommer nie  :peepwall:
Sjoe, ek dog ek het 'n "wethead". Lyk my ek het misgelees  :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 06, 2016, 08:11:25 am
So my GSA is going to BMW next week to check the clutch and waterpump.

have grinding noises under hard acceleration, and loss of power that feels like a slipping clutch  :patch:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on October 06, 2016, 05:29:46 pm
Warranty is why I traded a perfect 2014 GSA on a 2016 Trophy

I have the option to extend the warranty of my GSA which I bought in Jan 2015..... I am seriously considering it . I cannot recall the cost thereof .....

I don't intend selling my GSA soon .
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 06, 2016, 06:05:31 pm
Warranty is why I traded a perfect 2014 GSA on a 2016 Trophy

I have the option to extend the warranty of my GSA which I bought in Jan 2015..... I am seriously considering it . I cannot recall the cost thereof .....

I don't intend selling my GSA soon .

When you find out, please let us know too
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on October 06, 2016, 06:09:15 pm
Warranty is why I traded a perfect 2014 GSA on a 2016 Trophy

I have the option to extend the warranty of my GSA which I bought in Jan 2015..... I am seriously considering it . I cannot recall the cost thereof .....

I don't intend selling my GSA soon .

When you find out, please let us know too

They sent me a mail ..... will check  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 08, 2016, 10:54:09 pm
Noticed this morning, after our ride, a puddle forming below the front of the engine. After inspection it seems to be shock oil, dripping off the front shock. Anyone else had this on the LC? I've only got 17500 km's now, so I'm sure it will be covered by the warrantee, though.
Well, bike is with Bavarian, waiting for approval from BMW for a warrantee replacement of the front shock. At least my youngest let met use his little XR125 to commute with in the meantime, even though it simply cannot get away form the traffic  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: VaalBaas on October 09, 2016, 09:39:47 am
 Problems with the new LC.....

Boere kry nie syne uit die garage uit nie :peepwall: :ricky: :pot: :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on October 11, 2016, 03:06:55 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch

Any news, did they replace the clutch under warranty?

I know I had to pay for mine when it went on 40 000km still well within the 2 year warranty.
I was not impressed as it had done no technical stuff with clutch slipping etc, but could not argue as I have seen guys where 40 000 is a lot considering the abuse they give the clutch.

If the new one goes on 40 000km again I will change brands.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: T Rex on October 11, 2016, 05:45:02 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch

Any news, did they replace the clutch under warranty?

I know I had to pay for mine when it went on 40 000km still well within the 2 year warranty.
I was not impressed as it had done no technical stuff with clutch slipping etc, but could not argue as I have seen guys where 40 000 is a lot considering the abuse they give the clutch.

If the new one goes on 40 000km again I will change brands.

Gryshond ! my Gsa Lc's clutch was replaced at 10 k ....

I was told that it is a " wear and tear "item , therefore not automatically covered by the warranty. They have a discretion to repair it under the warranty . However  in my case Zambezi BMW supplied the clutch and installed it , they have a dealership fund from which they can do this , in spesific circumstances. Therefore they did not even submit a claim under the warranty.

I would have made a serious issue of it , if had to pay .... at 10 000 km!!!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 11, 2016, 06:19:13 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch

Any news, did they replace the clutch under warranty?

I know I had to pay for mine when it went on 40 000km still well within the 2 year warranty.
I was not impressed as it had done no technical stuff with clutch slipping etc, but could not argue as I have seen guys where 40 000 is a lot considering the abuse they give the clutch.

If the new one goes on 40 000km again I will change brands.

Gryshond ! my Gsa Lc's clutch was replaced at 10 k ....

I was told that it is a " wear and tear "item , therefore not automatically covered by the warranty. They have a discretion to repair it under the warranty . However  in my case Zambezi BMW supplied the clutch and installed it , they have a dealership fund from which they can do this , in spesific circumstances. Therefore they did not even submit a claim under the warranty.

I would have made a serious issue of it , if had to pay .... at 10 000 km!!!

I find mine clutch only takes right near the end of releasing the lever, but it's the 3rd LC I am riding and they all did the same
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 11, 2016, 08:24:47 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch

Any news, did they replace the clutch under warranty?

I know I had to pay for mine when it went on 40 000km still well within the 2 year warranty.
I was not impressed as it had done no technical stuff with clutch slipping etc, but could not argue as I have seen guys where 40 000 is a lot considering the abuse they give the clutch.

If the new one goes on 40 000km again I will change brands.

Gryshond ! my Gsa Lc's clutch was replaced at 10 k ....

I was told that it is a " wear and tear "item , therefore not automatically covered by the warranty. They have a discretion to repair it under the warranty . However  in my case Zambezi BMW supplied the clutch and installed it , they have a dealership fund from which they can do this , in spesific circumstances. Therefore they did not even submit a claim under the warranty.

I would have made a serious issue of it , if had to pay .... at 10 000 km!!!

I find mine clutch only takes right near the end of releasing the lever, but it's the 3rd LC I am riding and they all did the same

Ypu should be able to adjust it on the lever, I havent seen the LC clutch lever yet but most bikes so and it is very easy
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 11, 2016, 08:51:21 pm
my clutch is on its way out on 20000 they replacing it tomorow. it better be under warenty as i dont do much off road riding. My 650 gs had done 50000 and never touched the clutch

Any news, did they replace the clutch under warranty?

I know I had to pay for mine when it went on 40 000km still well within the 2 year warranty.
I was not impressed as it had done no technical stuff with clutch slipping etc, but could not argue as I have seen guys where 40 000 is a lot considering the abuse they give the clutch.

If the new one goes on 40 000km again I will change brands.

Gryshond ! my Gsa Lc's clutch was replaced at 10 k ....

I was told that it is a " wear and tear "item , therefore not automatically covered by the warranty. They have a discretion to repair it under the warranty . However  in my case Zambezi BMW supplied the clutch and installed it , they have a dealership fund from which they can do this , in spesific circumstances. Therefore they did not even submit a claim under the warranty.

I would have made a serious issue of it , if had to pay .... at 10 000 km!!!

I find mine clutch only takes right near the end of releasing the lever, but it's the 3rd LC I am riding and they all did the same
Yes, just turn the little knobbie there
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 11, 2016, 08:56:50 pm
The knob adjust the clutch lever reach (for bigger or smaller hands), it does not adjust the takeup of the clutch.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 11, 2016, 08:58:33 pm
The knob adjust the clutch lever reach (for bigger or smaller hands), it does not adjust the takeup of the clutch.
It has an effect. Try it...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 12, 2016, 08:00:44 am
The knob adjust the clutch lever reach (for bigger or smaller hands), it does not adjust the takeup of the clutch.
It has an effect. Try it...
agree...mine is on the middle setting  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 12, 2016, 08:15:46 am
Yes, off course the knob moves the clutch takeup point closer to the handlebar, or further away, but that was not the original poster's concern. No matter how you ajust it, it still takes close to the end of the lever's travel.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on October 12, 2016, 10:06:50 am
Yes, off course the knob moves the clutch takeup point closer to the handlebar, or further away, but that was not the original poster's concern. No matter how you ajust it, it still takes close to the end of the lever's travel.

That is correct, but when adjusted closer to the handlebar it does feel different. That said, this is my third LC and only the first one had the inconsistent clutch where it would take close sometimes and far other times. The previous one as well as this one seems fine although I may have gotten used to it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 12, 2016, 10:27:37 am
WE all seem to have similar experiences about where the clutch takes in terms of lever travel....

Is there a way to adjust the point at where the clutch takes?  I am not referring to the clutch lever adjustment but rather maybe some other adjustment possibly on the slave or master cylinder?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 12, 2016, 11:11:48 am
WE all seem to have similar experiences about where the clutch takes in terms of lever travel....

Is there a way to adjust the point at where the clutch takes?  I am not referring to the clutch lever adjustment but rather maybe some other adjustment possibly on the slave or master cylinder?
I don't think so. Just thinking about the 2 (yes, two) switches on the cluth lever, and the effect on those if the takeup point were to be moved... In other words, if there's any adjustment it would have to be at the handle (and not at the clutch itself) to keep the switches and takeup position in sync.

For interest sake, there's 2 switches as the first one (activates even before the clutch starts disengaging) is used to deactivate the cruise control, and probably warn the ECU that a gearshift is about to take place. I'm guessing it allows the ECU to proactively control the engine, instead of reactively once the clutch is already disengaged.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 12, 2016, 11:44:30 am
WE all seem to have similar experiences about where the clutch takes in terms of lever travel....

Is there a way to adjust the point at where the clutch takes?  I am not referring to the clutch lever adjustment but rather maybe some other adjustment possibly on the slave or master cylinder?

I was contacted regarding the slave cylinder recall on my 2016 Trophy. Slave cylinder was changed (Twice after replacement was faulty). With the newly installed slave cylinder the clutch engages a lot closer to the handlebar. I had to get use to that.

Also, with the new slave cylinder installed, it is much more difficult to push the bike out the garage while in gear when the engine is cold. I used to be able to push the bike in gear with the clutch pulled a lot easier. It is fine when the bike has been ridden and then the clutch also engages further from the handlebar. Adjusting the lever with the round dial does not make a difference. Not sure if it is normal.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 12, 2016, 11:52:25 am
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 12, 2016, 12:00:22 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 12, 2016, 12:08:09 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 12, 2016, 01:06:10 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 12, 2016, 01:33:05 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Did it get progressively worse? I do not notice a loss of power though when I hear the noise...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 12, 2016, 01:41:53 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Did it get progressively worse? I do not notice a loss of power though when I hear the noise...

Nope, always between 4-5k rpm and only when the motor is hot
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 12, 2016, 02:08:02 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Did it get progressively worse? I do not notice a loss of power though when I hear the noise...

Nope, always between 4-5k rpm and only when the motor is hot

Which dealership do you use? I am thinking of going to Bavarian in Centurion.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 12, 2016, 02:27:42 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Did it get progressively worse? I do not notice a loss of power though when I hear the noise...

Nope, always between 4-5k rpm and only when the motor is hot

Which dealership do you use? I am thinking of going to Bavarian in Centurion.

same...got my appointment booked for the 24th october
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 12, 2016, 06:23:25 pm
So I got my GSA back today from Bavarian. Their servixe never ceases to amaze, the way they handle clients, courtious and going out of their way to accomodate clients.

Off course the shock was replaced under warrantee, but interestingly they returned the first replacement shock they received as it had some scuff marks that they were not happy with. Hell, they could've fitted the shock and I would have been none the wiser. That kind of service makes one go back again and again.

As an aside, I got onto my GSA after riding my son's little XR125 for almost a week. Geez, it felt like I was climbing onto an oil tanker! While I love my GSA's power, and felt great to be back on it I must admit to feeling some pity at having to get off the little XR, I really enjoyed throwing it around these last few days, what an awesome little bike. There's just something about riding such a small bike that puts a smile on my face every time. I'm going to have to borrow it from my son more often :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 12, 2016, 07:55:19 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Sounds like pinging (or knocking.  Not sure which is the correct term)  It will happen on a LC when very hot, such as 35 degrees or so.  Power loss is probably caused by ECU retarding the ignition timing, due to input from the knock sensor,  to prevent it.  I did not think that would be perceivable though.    You can test it by dropping a gear before accelerating, or accelerating less hard.

DISCLAIMER:  I am guessing here ....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 12, 2016, 07:59:24 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Sounds like pinging (or knocking.  Not sure which is the correct term)  It will happen on a LC when very hot, such as 35 degrees or so.  Power loss is probably caused by ECU retarding the ignition timing, due to input from the knock sensor,  to prevent it.  I did not think that would be perceivable though.    You can test it by dropping a gear before accelerating, or accelerating less hard.

DISCLAIMER:  I am guessing here ....
Dropping a gear before accellarating is the wise option I guess....
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 12, 2016, 09:01:33 pm
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Sounds like pinging (or knocking.  Not sure which is the correct term)  It will happen on a LC when very hot, such as 35 degrees or so.  Power loss is probably caused by ECU retarding the ignition timing, due to input from the knock sensor,  to prevent it.  I did not think that would be perceivable though.    You can test it by dropping a gear before accelerating, or accelerating less hard.

DISCLAIMER:  I am guessing here ....
Dropping a gear before accellarating is the wise option I guess....

Those of us who drove cars in days gone by, cars without electronic ignition, will know exactly what I mean.  If it "pings" change down, or stop flooring it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Jakkals on October 13, 2016, 06:46:11 am
Beertjie, wat jy hier bo genoem het is baie waar, ek is verbaas om te sien hoe baie mense selfs mechanics wat veronderstel is om meer ondervinding hier oor te he deesdae 'n voertuig in te hoŽ rat op 'n te lae spoed ry, lyk my vandag se mense glo as hy vyf ratte het moet jy so gou moontlik in vyfde kom maak nie saak watse spoed nie of omstandighede nie.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 13, 2016, 08:00:18 am
It also seems that the "scratching" sound under hard acceleration (4500 rpm +) is worse when it is hotter outside? ??? Lately the temperatures in Rustenburg have been hitting the 37'C mark in the afternoon and the noise is certainly more evident than in the cooler mornings. Can it be a pinging issue or should I take it to the dealership? It sounds like the scratching sound is coming from the left hand side, but I do not have an explanation for it yet  :'(

Got the same issue

Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km
yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.

Sounds like pinging (or knocking.  Not sure which is the correct term)  It will happen on a LC when very hot, such as 35 degrees or so.  Power loss is probably caused by ECU retarding the ignition timing, due to input from the knock sensor,  to prevent it.  I did not think that would be perceivable though.    You can test it by dropping a gear before accelerating, or accelerating less hard.

DISCLAIMER:  I am guessing here ....
Dropping a gear before accellarating is the wise option I guess....

Those of us who drove cars in days gone by, cars without electronic ignition, will know exactly what I mean.  If it "pings" change down, or stop flooring it.

 :thumleft: doing it but its not pinging (i get that occasionally when someone pissed me, then afterwards feel bad for the GS)

This is a scratching noise (hard to explain)  - best way i can is, you know the sracthing/mechanical noise an engine makes just before it cuts out (ie, not enough thottle when pulling away or trying to pull away in second?) that scratching noise....

Also after an afternoon ride and sticking it a bit. I have to nurse it from a stop street not to stall....something just not right
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 13, 2016, 08:37:59 am
Ek dink die sparkplugs is los - al die silinders werk nie - die throttle is gedemp en nog op "learner mode"  :imaposer:

Of - jou petrol is vuil dalk - jy het nie dalk diesel ingegooi nie ?  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 13, 2016, 09:51:25 am
Ek dink die sparkplugs is los - al die silinders werk nie - die throttle is gedemp en nog op "learner mode"  :imaposer:

Of - jou petrol is vuil dalk - jy het nie dalk diesel ingegooi nie ?  :laughing4:

tsek jy!  :snorting:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 13, 2016, 01:40:30 pm
Ek dink die sparkplugs is los - al die silinders werk nie - die throttle is gedemp en nog op "learner mode"  :imaposer:

Of - jou petrol is vuil dalk - jy het nie dalk diesel ingegooi nie ?  :laughing4:

Ek dink sy Canabis ReFlux Capacitor se mengsel is uit!   :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on October 13, 2016, 02:14:29 pm
Ek dink hy weet nie watter kant sit die throttle nie - DIT IS DIE EEN BY DIE REGTERVOET  - trap hom om vinniger te ry  :ricky:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 13, 2016, 03:28:30 pm
Ek dink hy weet nie watter kant sit die throttle nie - DIT IS DIE EEN BY DIE REGTERVOET  - trap hom om vinniger te ry  :ricky:

aaah I C....gin wonder my fiets fokof nie....  :peepwall: :pot:

Is dit nou anders op die 2017, dat jy ook so sukkel  :pot:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 24, 2016, 08:27:48 am
Got the same issue


Have you taken the bike to a dealership? I am just scared I will get the "It is normal for a boxer engine" answer. Had the same sound on my air cooled DOHC GS though... My only issue is that my trophy LC did not make the sound until about 5000 km. Now standing on 6500km

yup. going in next week.

no way its normal...i have power loss when it happens.


Did it get progressively worse? I do not notice a loss of power though when I hear the noise...


Nope, always between 4-5k rpm and only when the motor is hot


Which dealership do you use? I am thinking of going to Bavarian in Centurion.


same...got my appointment booked for the 24th october

W@nted - take note of point 3 - dont know if you also riding on hard suspension

SO my LC is in for:

1. Clutch inspection
2. water pump inspection
3. Grinding noise - this has been confirmed to be only when ridden in hard suspension mode as it should not be used for 1 up  :patch: - apparently the FD  :eek7:
4. 10k Service
5. Possible akro - loan bike has an akro on and fok it sounds lekker  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 24, 2016, 03:52:36 pm
10k service -  R1500 not bad

Changed all fluids and all seems well. 
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 24, 2016, 05:18:00 pm
That is very fair
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: w@nted on October 25, 2016, 09:20:44 am
Very decent price. Al the niggles sorted?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 25, 2016, 09:49:38 am
Very decent price. Al the niggles sorted?

seems so...check my reply above about the grinding noise
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 25, 2016, 07:00:00 pm
3. Grinding noise - this has been confirmed to be only when ridden in hard suspension mode as it should not be used for 1 up  :patch: - apparently the FD  :eek7:


Do you mean Pre-:Load Setting, i.e. 2 x little helmets?

Damping between Soft, Normal and Hard cannot possibly be guilty.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 26, 2016, 07:19:31 am
3. Grinding noise - this has been confirmed to be only when ridden in hard suspension mode as it should not be used for 1 up  :patch: - apparently the FD  :eek7:


Do you mean Pre-:Load Setting, i.e. 2 x little helmets?

Damping between Soft, Normal and Hard cannot possibly be guilty.

That was Jason and Lenni's at Bavarian response. On hard apparently it raises the bike  ??? and causes the shaft to run at an angle which causes some extra noises?  :patch:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 26, 2016, 07:26:00 am
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 26, 2016, 07:52:52 am
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?

Nope...Dynamic, 1 up (no luggage settings (1 helmet)) switching between rain/road depending on the day.

Grinding noise is only evident under hard suspension selection. Soft and normal - no noise
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on October 26, 2016, 09:41:13 am
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?

Nope...Dynamic, 1 up (no luggage settings (1 helmet)) switching between rain/road depending on the day.

Grinding noise is only evident under hard suspension selection. Soft and normal - no noise
Interesting. Try this: While idling in neutral, set the damping to hard. Feel if the bike lifts higher. I'll check it on mine too, but pretty sure it's not going to lift.

But, when you went back to normal or soft, the noise disappeared?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 26, 2016, 09:53:59 am
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?

Nope...Dynamic, 1 up (no luggage settings (1 helmet)) switching between rain/road depending on the day.

Grinding noise is only evident under hard suspension selection. Soft and normal - no noise
Interesting. Try this: While idling in neutral, set the damping to hard. Feel if the bike lifts higher. I'll check it on mine too, but pretty sure it's not going to lift.

But, when you went back to normal or soft, the noise disappeared?

Normally, I would not argue with Lenny and gang, but this makes no sense.  Setting a shock absorber soft, or hard should make no difference in ride height at all.  Will check mine also.  My bike is permanently in 1 x helmet + 1 x luggage to make up for my .... uhm .... superior weight.  On top of that I often ride on hard.  Never experience a problem.  I can fully understand that 2 helmets, etc.  may cause issues as that lifts the bike quite a bit.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on October 26, 2016, 01:04:59 pm
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?

Nope...Dynamic, 1 up (no luggage settings (1 helmet)) switching between rain/road depending on the day.

Grinding noise is only evident under hard suspension selection. Soft and normal - no noise
Interesting. Try this: While idling in neutral, set the damping to hard. Feel if the bike lifts higher. I'll check it on mine too, but pretty sure it's not going to lift.

But, when you went back to normal or soft, the noise disappeared?

Normally, I would not argue with Lenny and gang, but this makes no sense.  Setting a shock absorber soft, or hard should make no difference in ride height at all.  Will check mine also.  My bike is permanently in 1 x helmet + 1 x luggage to make up for my .... uhm .... superior weight.  On top of that I often ride on hard.  Never experience a problem.  I can fully understand that 2 helmets, etc.  may cause issues as that lifts the bike quite a bit.

How can you fully understand that any suspension setting can cause issues. If anyone at BMW alleges that any suspension setting can not be used as it causes problems, ask them to put it in writing and send it to BMW SA.

I only use the 2 up setting as the bike is too low otherwise and it has never caused any problems. I change regularly between soft medium and hard and also in different modes, and still no problem. I did 26 000 km on my first LC, 55 000 km on the second and this one now has 22 000 km. On none of them is there a scratching sound when accelerating at any revs, except of course when the final drive went on the blue one.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 26, 2016, 01:19:35 pm
How can you fully understand that any suspension setting can cause issues. If anyone at BMW alleges that any suspension setting can not be used as it causes problems, ask them to put it in writing and send it to BMW SA.

I only use the 2 up setting as the bike is too low otherwise and it has never caused any problems. I change regularly between soft medium and hard and also in different modes, and still no problem. I did 26 000 km on my first LC, 55 000 km on the second and this one now has 22 000 km. On none of them is there a scratching sound when accelerating at any revs, except of course when the final drive went on the blue one.

I am not sure how you can question what I can, or cannot understand?  Maybe I am way more clever, or way more dumber than you.  I find it weird that you have a problem with what I understand.   :o 

Anyway, why I can fully understand it, is that the shaft works via two universal joints that can only allow a certain amount of angle.  With two helmets showing the bike may be too high for the two universals to handle the angle of the shaft.  I have seen this issue on a Hilux I cleverly lifted by a few inches some years ago.  Is this true for the GS?  I have no idea but that is why, in my original post I used the word "MAY" which you seemed to have missed.  Anyway, I only tried to make the point that their story that the hard damping setting is causing it must be incorrect.

Something else that I can fully understand is that yours may well not cause problems riding on two helmets as you are a big boy and probably heavy enough to compress the suspension to a level where the universals could cope.  Same as me.

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 26, 2016, 02:38:04 pm
Lemme give Them a shout again and clarify this directly with Lenni
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on October 26, 2016, 02:40:35 pm
Lemme give Them a shout again and clarify this directly with Lenni

Remember to tell them you experience this vibration mostly while farting ....    :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on October 26, 2016, 02:42:12 pm
Lemme give Them a shout again and clarify this directly with Lenni

Remember to tell them you experience this vibration mostly while farting ....    :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :laughing4: No no no, you confusing this with the funny brown stain problem I showed them on my seat
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on November 15, 2016, 11:17:50 am
Preload adjustment, I know, causes more vibration from the rear when you select 2-up (2 helmets on display). The rear is also lifted when you switch to offroad mode. But, changing the damping between soft/normal/hard cannot do this, as it does not raise or lower the bike.

Are you not perhaps riding in enduro (or Pro) mode, even though you have 1-up (1 helmet on screen) selected?

Nope...Dynamic, 1 up (no luggage settings (1 helmet)) switching between rain/road depending on the day.

Grinding noise is only evident under hard suspension selection. Soft and normal - no noise
Interesting. Try this: While idling in neutral, set the damping to hard. Feel if the bike lifts higher. I'll check it on mine too, but pretty sure it's not going to lift.

But, when you went back to normal or soft, the noise disappeared?

Normally, I would not argue with Lenny and gang, but this makes no sense.  Setting a shock absorber soft, or hard should make no difference in ride height at all.  Will check mine also.  My bike is permanently in 1 x helmet + 1 x luggage to make up for my .... uhm .... superior weight.  On top of that I often ride on hard.  Never experience a problem.  I can fully understand that 2 helmets, etc.  may cause issues as that lifts the bike quite a bit.

I read in another post (where they posted a picture of the handbook) that hard damping should not be paired with little pre-load (and vice-versa) when adjusting manually.  For that reason I think that with ASC the preload will adjust together with the damping to keep the overall setting within the parameters of the manufacturers.  It could therefore be possible that the damping is set to suit the preload automatically.  If this is the case, the preload will not change while you set the damping because the damping varies between set parameters for a specific preload setting.  'Soft' damping with high pre-load is therefore not the same thing as 'soft' while in little or no pre-load, although it is displayed as such on-screen.  This could also explain the different experiences with soft and hard setting over the preload range.  With manual setting, I suppose it is possible to move outside these parameters and therefore the warning in the manual.  But I am speculating...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on November 16, 2016, 04:04:39 pm
I am not sure how you can question what I can, or cannot understand?  Maybe I am way more clever, or way more dumber than you.  I find it weird that you have a problem with what I understand.   :o 


Being facetious does not change the fact that you statement comes down to tacit agreement with the assertion that the suspension setting can cause a valid grinding noise. Hence my question why you could agree with such a statement.

Anyway, why I can fully understand it, is that the shaft works via two universal joints that can only allow a certain amount of angle.  With two helmets showing the bike may be too high for the two universals to handle the angle of the shaft.

Surely you must agree that the primary drive, shaft and final drive must be able to cope with the full suspension range which makes this statement illogical.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on November 23, 2016, 08:46:20 am
So bike is back at the dealer I bought it at to look at all my grievances. I have asked that they confirm everything writing afterwards so that if something does fail in the coming months it will be confirmed to be replaced under warranty ...even if its the clutch/gearbox/motor etc. I have warned them enough now that there is something wrong.

and then for the rest of the day I will just play with my loan bike
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: luv2ride on November 23, 2016, 05:40:08 pm
So bike is back at the dealer I bought it at to look at all my grievances. I have asked that they confirm everything writing afterwards so that if something does fail in the coming months it will be confirmed to be replaced under warranty ...even if its the clutch/gearbox/motor etc. I have warned them enough now that there is something wrong.

and then for the rest of the day I will just play with my loan bike
Vark steaks, jou garage is lekker deurmekaar. :peepwall:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 23, 2016, 09:37:52 pm
Had a customer in today,on his 99th bike (seriously).

Long story short, after owning a 2014, 2015 & 2016 1200 LC, he recently went back to a near-new 1200 oil cooled.

No real problems, just some niggles, with his LC's; he just enjoyed the oil head better, and now says he will likely keep it permanently, and then buy one last bike - No 100 - to see him thru retirement ...

Nice problem to have!
Chris
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on November 24, 2016, 07:54:07 am
So bike is back at the dealer I bought it at to look at all my grievances. I have asked that they confirm everything writing afterwards so that if something does fail in the coming months it will be confirmed to be replaced under warranty ...even if its the clutch/gearbox/motor etc. I have warned them enough now that there is something wrong.

and then for the rest of the day I will just play with my loan bike
Vark steaks, jou garage is lekker deurmekaar. :peepwall:
:laughing4: I wish my home garage was so neat. This is my garage at work where I park  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on November 28, 2016, 01:53:45 pm
So some feedback.

1. Third dealer to confirm that setting the suspension on hard DOES alter the angle of the shaft. They took out the shaft, checked for any wear (none, no shavings, nothing), replaced, filled the div oil etc again and put everything back nicely.
2. Did software updated which seems to have resolve the surging and lack of power from time to time. New maps, new timings/sensor locations (?) for gear selectors.
3. gears are better but still not happy with it. But I have it now in writing and confirmed via job card system all was checked and confirmed in order  :patch:

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on December 01, 2016, 10:52:45 am
So some feedback.

1. Third dealer to confirm that setting the suspension on hard DOES alter the angle of the shaft. They took out the shaft, checked for any wear (none, no shavings, nothing), replaced, filled the div oil etc again and put everything back nicely.
2. Did software updated which seems to have resolve the surging and lack of power from time to time. New maps, new timings/sensor locations (?) for gear selectors.
3. gears are better but still not happy with it. But I have it now in writing and confirmed via job card system all was checked and confirmed in order  :patch:

No arguments that a stiffer suspension changes the angle of the shaft. What I am unwilling to accept is that the shaft can not handle any angle in the complete suspension range therefore leading to damage, grinding noise or any such thing. If they tell you that the shaft can not cope with the bike being in any of the suspension settings available ask them to put it in writing as that would be a design flaw.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: 1ougat on December 08, 2016, 09:34:31 pm
So some feedback.

1. Third dealer to confirm that setting the suspension on hard DOES alter the angle of the shaft. They took out the shaft, checked for any wear (none, no shavings, nothing), replaced, filled the div oil etc again and put everything back nicely.
2. Did software updated which seems to have resolve the surging and lack of power from time to time. New maps, new timings/sensor locations (?) for gear selectors.
3. gears are better but still not happy with it. But I have it now in writing and confirmed via job card system all was checked and confirmed in order  :patch:

No arguments that a stiffer suspension changes the angle of the shaft. What I am unwilling to accept is that the shaft can not handle any angle in the complete suspension range therefore leading to damage, grinding noise or any such thing. If they tell you that the shaft can not cope with the bike being in any of the suspension settings available ask them to put it in writing as that would be a design flaw.

Think they must just adjust the PVI  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on December 20, 2016, 06:44:48 pm
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on December 21, 2016, 07:40:37 am
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Have you abused either?
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on December 21, 2016, 08:03:23 pm
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Have you abused either?
Not in my honest opinion. I don't wheelie, I ride slow, relatively. And I stay 8 km out on a dirt road. Dirt highway. In my opinion I've used the bike well below the level BMW market it as. But I do use it.

What in your opinion is abuse of these items?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on December 22, 2016, 07:23:26 am
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Have you abused either?
Not in my honest opinion. I don't wheelie, I ride slow, relatively. And I stay 8 km out on a dirt road. Dirt highway. In my opinion I've used the bike well below the level BMW market it as. But I do use it.

What in your opinion is abuse of these items?
Red and black route at GStrophy, stuff like that.
No, it doesnt sound like you are abusing it at all.

Its weird that the front shock will be gone without taking some big hits, one of the forks on my air cooled recently gave in, but I am fine with it as I know what I have put it through.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on December 22, 2016, 07:49:10 pm
Interesting, thank you for the clarification.

Anyway, I'm sure my bike takes hits. I've done the road to my house at speed. I've hit rocks etc. at speed.

But the fact remains, my opinion is that this generation bike is 'softer' than the '05 I owned previously.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Omninorm on December 23, 2016, 05:42:42 pm
Had a customer in today,on his 99th bike (seriously).

Long story short, after owning a 2014, 2015 & 2016 1200 LC, he recently went back to a near-new 1200 oil cooled.

No real problems, just some niggles, with his LC's; he just enjoyed the oil head better, and now says he will likely keep it permanently, and then buy one last bike - No 100 - to see him thru retirement ...

Nice problem to have!
Chris

Wow nice!

Hopefully I can cure my disease before I get there! :D


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Mzee on December 27, 2016, 10:20:54 am
I could be wrong, but it is just possible that this LC is a rich boys toy, if we agree by some reckoning that it is softer than the '05 version.  I am merely saying that if parts begin to fail, it means that they must be replaced and that requires one to be loaded :pot:.  Just thinking aloud for a reason.  I have a bike with 140,000km and have never replaced any thing except that normal wear and tear items. ;D
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on December 27, 2016, 01:28:43 pm
Interesting, thank you for the clarification.

Anyway, I'm sure my bike takes hits. I've done the road to my house at speed. I've hit rocks etc. at speed.

But the fact remains, my opinion is that this generation bike is 'softer' than the '05 I owned previously.


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One thing often overlooked is the lower profile of the rubber on the LC. To avoid damaging the rims I run higher pressure which in my opinion places the suspension under more stress.

That said, I've done 45k km on mine most of which was dirt and and never at a leisurely pace. I've had no suspension problems and no bent rims.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Omninorm on December 27, 2016, 02:14:00 pm
I could be wrong, but it is just possible that this LC is a rich boys toy, if we agree by some reckoning that it is softer than the '05 version.  I am merely saying that if parts begin to fail, it means that they must be replaced and that requires one to be loaded :pot:.  Just thinking aloud for a reason.  I have a bike with 140,000km and have never replaced any thing except that normal wear and tear items. ;D

I'm not rich and I put in an offer on a Trophy edition- my thought is its simpler cheaper and hopefully less to go wrong than the other versions. Imho it's a lot of bike for the money pre-owned. Less than the 800gs/a and competing brands equivalent but still getting a 1200gs LC.
After many test rides on different bikes I couldn't shake the GS itch.

I've had many brands of bikes and my  BMW's where not more expensive to run or maintain than the others. In fact Honda and Suzuki services and parts I found, were more expensive not to mention A LOT more hassle.
I've read that with the design of the new GS the aim was to keep the exact same competency and ruggedness of the old GS off-road but then improve the ease of servicing and on road ability.
One such design must be for outing the clutch at the rear and not in the rear as per old Boxer.
I won't know if they achieved it but they certainly didn't set out to make it softer.



Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: m0lt3n on December 28, 2016, 08:20:23 am
I could be wrong, but it is just possible that this LC is a rich boys toy, if we agree by some reckoning that it is softer than the '05 version.  I am merely saying that if parts begin to fail, it means that they must be replaced and that requires one to be loaded :pot:.  Just thinking aloud for a reason.  I have a bike with 140,000km and have never replaced any thing except that normal wear and tear items. ;D

Exactly the same comments were made in 2007 wrt the 2005 1200 and older 1150.
There is many owners doing overland expeditions on their LC's, it should also be kept in mind no-one is going to complain if nothing goes wrong and that the LC sales are a lot higher than others, more chance to allow people to complain.
(you had a trouble free VStrom and have a trouble free S10, my VStrom was definitely not trouble free and my stepfather's S10 also has many niggles. Just saying, keep stuff in perspective)
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 04, 2017, 11:42:49 am
I could be wrong, but it is just possible that this LC is a rich boys toy, if we agree by some reckoning that it is softer than the '05 version.  I am merely saying that if parts begin to fail, it means that they must be replaced and that requires one to be loaded :pot:.  Just thinking aloud for a reason.  I have a bike with 140,000km and have never replaced any thing except that normal wear and tear items. ;D

Exactly the same comments were made in 2007 wrt the 2005 1200 and older 1150.
There is many owners doing overland expeditions on their LC's, it should also be kept in mind no-one is going to complain if nothing goes wrong and that the LC sales are a lot higher than others, more chance to allow people to complain.
(you had a trouble free VStrom and have a trouble free S10, my VStrom was definitely not trouble free and my stepfather's S10 also has many niggles. Just saying, keep stuff in perspective)

Very good point, I would be more concerned about the number of complaints on the low volume bikes.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on January 04, 2017, 01:48:54 pm
I could be wrong, but it is just possible that this LC is a rich boys toy, if we agree by some reckoning that it is softer than the '05 version.  I am merely saying that if parts begin to fail, it means that they must be replaced and that requires one to be loaded :pot:.  Just thinking aloud for a reason.  I have a bike with 140,000km and have never replaced any thing except that normal wear and tear items. ;D

Exactly the same comments were made in 2007 wrt the 2005 1200 and older 1150.
There is many owners doing overland expeditions on their LC's, it should also be kept in mind no-one is going to complain if nothing goes wrong and that the LC sales are a lot higher than others, more chance to allow people to complain.
(you had a trouble free VStrom and have a trouble free S10, my VStrom was definitely not trouble free and my stepfather's S10 also has many niggles. Just saying, keep stuff in perspective)

Very good point, I would be more concerned about the number of complaints on the low volume bikes.

The "Problems with the S10" is currently 25 pages long.  The LC is only 45 pages and some of the comments here are BS comments about "my bike is better than your BMW" bla bla bla. Compare volume sales vs. pages of issues.

All manufacturers stuff up sometimes.

Can we please keep this thread to issues and solutions relevant to the bikes please. It makes it so much more difficult to use the thread with irrelevant comments from the peanut gallery.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Manic on January 12, 2017, 12:46:54 am
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Any feedback yet?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on January 12, 2017, 06:17:51 am
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Any feedback yet?

Shock was being rebuilt. Extended warrantee would cover that part. No news on clutch / gearbox, but a clutch is a consumable on my specific warrantee. So I'm hoping for the best.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 12, 2017, 01:01:04 pm
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Any feedback yet?

Shock was being rebuilt. Extended warrantee would cover that part. No news on clutch / gearbox, but a clutch is a consumable on my specific warrantee. So I'm hoping for the best.


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Clutch is a consumable on the factory warrantee as well. I had to pay for a new one on 40 000km.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Copernicus on January 13, 2017, 11:43:04 am
It is funny that you will almost never see an action photo in commercials of the LC with two wheels on the ground but the clutch is not guaranteed.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Omninorm on January 13, 2017, 05:41:37 pm
It is funny that you will almost never see an action photo in commercials of the LC with two wheels on the ground but the clutch is not guaranteed.

Hahaha!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 15, 2017, 12:19:15 am
It is funny that you will almost never see an action photo in commercials of the LC with two wheels on the ground but the clutch is not guaranteed.


I'd be much more concerned about the gearbox and front suspension when popping wheelies.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on January 15, 2017, 09:40:14 am
Started having problems upshifting during yesterday's ride. Would not go into 5th. Downgeared to 3rd, would then nog go into 4th. Pulled over, went to Neutral, pulled away and everything fine again. This happened a few times on the ride. This happened with quick shifter and also normal shifting with clutch. Was an EXTREMELY muddy ride. Will take to dealer this week to check
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 18, 2017, 08:47:53 am
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 18, 2017, 11:49:28 am
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!

It does cover it.
I have had problems with the left hand control unit on both my previous LC. Not on the new one yet. they may have improved it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on January 18, 2017, 12:29:33 pm
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!

It does cover it.
I have had problems with the left hand control unit on both my previous LC. Not on the new one yet. they may have improved it.

Mine is a January 2014 model, will it still be in the warranty period?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on January 18, 2017, 01:15:55 pm
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!

It does cover it.
I have had problems with the left hand control unit on both my previous LC. Not on the new one yet. they may have improved it.

Mine is a January 2014 model, will it still be in the warranty period?

No, your warranty is 24 months from date of first purchase so unless you bought an extended warranty repairs will be for your account. That said you can always talk to the BMW guys and see what you can work out. They have a different take on customer service than the car dealers and may assist as this.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on January 31, 2017, 02:54:46 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=204945.msg3765350#msg3765350 - new problem with my LC
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on February 08, 2017, 07:53:36 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=204945.msg3765350#msg3765350 - new problem with my LC

Update

ight, so picked her up yesterday! runs like new again and even better. Think the cam caused my other issues I had as well.

Replaced:

all 8 rocker arms
L and R cams
Oil and oil filter

Labour added to this and total came to just shy of R40k.... one rocker arm is 2k  :eek7:

OomD, BMWSA believes the part was not heat treated properly and most likely something went wrong in the oven when they did it in factory. First in SA since launch of the LC to happen.

So they checking batch numbers etc to see if its just my part or the batch that might cause an issue.

I saw the cam and it was worn away a good 1mm the size of my middle finger nail.  :o All other cams still nice and smooooth.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Draadwerk on February 08, 2017, 08:00:51 am
Ek is bly jy is weer Mobile Silvrav.

My probleem- ek kry nie kans vir ry nie. Het begin Januarie laas gery.

Ek het ontrekking simptome
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on February 08, 2017, 08:37:40 am
Ek is bly jy is weer Mobile Silvrav.

My probleem- ek kry nie kans vir ry nie. Het begin Januarie laas gery.

Ek het ontrekking simptome

6weke...eina! Ek commute darm so ry die hele week...ek ry wel nie naweke paaie nie agv van tyd  :-\
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Nish on March 22, 2017, 06:18:10 pm
My 6 month old gsa, right side led spot light stopped working.
Tried two local (JHB) BMW motorrad dealers and they wanted the bike for a day ??

Went past Bavarian Motorad and tried their service. The service manger helped me out immediately.
Before I finished my cup of coffee the bike was back outside and a faulty connector was diagnosed and fixed.

All I can say is WOW, this is service.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: luv2ride on March 22, 2017, 06:33:19 pm
My 6 month old gsa, right side led spot light stopped working.
Tried two local (JHB) BMW motorrad dealers and they wanted the bike for a day ??

Went past Bavarian Motorad and tried their service. The service manger helped me out immediately.
Before I finished my cup of coffee the bike was back outside and a faulty connector was diagnosed and fixed.

All I can say is WOW, this is service.
That sounds like Lenny. LEGENDARY SERVICE :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Gryshond on March 30, 2017, 11:59:59 am
My 6 month old gsa, right side led spot light stopped working.
Tried two local (JHB) BMW motorrad dealers and they wanted the bike for a day ??

Went past Bavarian Motorad and tried their service. The service manger helped me out immediately.
Before I finished my cup of coffee the bike was back outside and a faulty connector was diagnosed and fixed.

All I can say is WOW, this is service.
That sounds like Lenny. LEGENDARY SERVICE :thumleft:

Lenny is not the Service Manager anymore, but his way of doing things has remained in the service department.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on April 19, 2017, 03:41:24 pm
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!

It does cover it.
I have had problems with the left hand control unit on both my previous LC. Not on the new one yet. they may have improved it.

Mine is a January 2014 model, will it still be in the warranty period?

Sooo, when the bike went in, everything of course worked, BMW could not find anything wrong. Over the past weekend, in seriously heavy rain and mist, the !@#$% cluster stopped working again, so riding without lights and flickers in very poor conditions. Taking the bike back tomorrow to Bavarian, still dirty as I hope the cluster will still be not working tomorrow so that they can get to the fault.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Esplin on April 24, 2017, 07:52:13 pm
I have 2015 BMW 1200 GS -LC Trophy edition.
The motor is noisier than the air cooled. BMW say in my next serve if i want they can change the cam. Is this advisable?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on April 24, 2017, 08:40:40 pm
 :sip: All I can say, is, you guys must be a real Brotherhood, Eish. Strongs.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on April 25, 2017, 08:41:08 am
During our recent Karoo trip, my left hand control cluster packed up intermittently, resulting in the headlight that only worked now and again, no flickers, controll wheel for GPS not working etc etc. Bike booked to go to Bavarian on Friday, hopefully the warranty will cover it!

It does cover it.
I have had problems with the left hand control unit on both my previous LC. Not on the new one yet. they may have improved it.

Mine is a January 2014 model, will it still be in the warranty period?

Sooo, when the bike went in, everything of course worked, BMW could not find anything wrong. Over the past weekend, in seriously heavy rain and mist, the !@#$% cluster stopped working again, so riding without lights and flickers in very poor conditions. Taking the bike back tomorrow to Bavarian, still dirty as I hope the cluster will still be not working tomorrow so that they can get to the fault.

It was fortunately nothing serious, just a corroded "dry connection" which was fixed at very little costs, all working fine now again! Thanks Bavarian!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Esplin on April 25, 2017, 08:09:30 pm
have the 1200 LC trophy edition . Never had a tank slapper at all speeds. I think tyres play a big partase well as pressure
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Geel Kat on April 25, 2017, 08:11:21 pm
So if I buy a new LC I need to get rid of it before the guarantee expires?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: eberhard on April 25, 2017, 08:18:15 pm
Lenny is not the Service Manager anymore, but his way of doing things has remained in the service department.

Is Lenny nog daar of is hy heeltema weg? Laasgenoemde sal jammer wees.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on April 26, 2017, 08:43:58 am
Lenny is not the Service Manager anymore, but his way of doing things has remained in the service department.

Is Lenny nog daar of is hy heeltema weg? Laasgenoemde sal jammer wees.

Nope, nog daar. Hy operate nou op die sales vloer
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on April 26, 2017, 09:08:05 am
have the 1200 LC trophy edition . Never had a tank slapper at all speeds. I think tyres play a big partase well as pressure

Esplin, I had the 2013 LC without the steering damper and never had any tank slapper issues, with various brands of tyres and tyre pressures. I did a lot of dirt riding with that bike, if I remember correctly between 10 000 and 15 000 km's. I then traded it in for the 2014 model with the steering damper.

The only thing I ever experienced with the 2013 LC is a head shake when obstacles were hit at speed, with the front end unloaded, but nothing which I were ever really alarmed about.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Dorsland on April 26, 2017, 12:50:46 pm
I have never had any problems with my Land Cruiser.


















Oh wait ..............  never mind. :lol8:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: BikerJan on April 26, 2017, 01:43:11 pm
I have never had any problems with my Land Cruiser.










Oh wait ..............  never mind. :lol8:

Ek het ook nog nooit probleme met my Land Cruiser gehad nie Dorsland, 18 500 kommervrye km's tot dusver! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on April 29, 2017, 02:28:12 pm
Interesting. Because of this thread about the fork stanchions (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=208722.0) I checked mine and they seemed okay. Today I had a tyre fitted to the rear in preparation for the Trophy weekend, and the service guy tells me my stanchions are separating from the top cap/bolt thingy, by more than the allowed tolerance.

They promptly replaced my fork stanchions under guarantee at the same time.

Iíd hate to think what could have happened had they separated completely, but I'm glad Bavarian picked up on this. Good work, Bavarian!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on April 29, 2017, 07:40:22 pm
 :sip: So, you are still under warranty and that happens, is that good? eish.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: AntVan on April 30, 2017, 07:38:04 am
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Any feedback yet?

Shock was being rebuilt. Extended warrantee would cover that part. No news on clutch / gearbox, but a clutch is a consumable on my specific warrantee. So I'm hoping for the best.


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So the shock is leaking again: the rebuilt was unsuccessful.

This is becoming an expensive exercise, but I am now talking to Denver about installing a Wilbers unit.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on April 30, 2017, 08:17:48 am
:sip: So, you are still under warranty and that happens, is that good? eish.
I meant that it was good that Bavarian spotted it.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Herklaas on April 30, 2017, 08:29:28 am
 :sip: Okay!
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: katana on April 30, 2017, 01:11:50 pm
Right, so after a (reasonable IMHO) 50,000km service visit at another dealer, I am informed that the front shock is Mike Tango. Explains the bottoming out. And, there is something wrong with my clutch. Previous dealer disputed latter, despite my regular requests. Let's test that extended warrantee...

Any feedback yet?

Shock was being rebuilt. Extended warrantee would cover that part. No news on clutch / gearbox, but a clutch is a consumable on my specific warrantee. So I'm hoping for the best.


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So the shock is leaking again: the rebuilt was unsuccessful.

This is becoming an expensive exercise, but I am now talking to Denver about installing a Wilbers unit.

Just do it.  Worth every cent.
Title: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Noneking on May 13, 2017, 09:25:41 am
Started having problems upshifting during yesterday's ride. Would not go into 5th. Downgeared to 3rd, would then nog go into 4th. Pulled over, went to Neutral, pulled away and everything fine again. This happened a few times on the ride. This happened with quick shifter and also normal shifting with clutch. Was an EXTREMELY muddy ride. Will take to dealer this week to check


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: genie on May 13, 2017, 03:34:04 pm
My 2013 with sterering damper gave up the ghost yesterday in the Baviaans on the way to the yearly bash. Would have been my first one. Next week's Post Retief wilmost likely be missed-m 5th. Dropped the bike off at the dealer this morning- salesman,s opinion is the drive shaft. My opinion either that or gearbox. Just under 30K all services done by dealer. First reaction from dealer is that I will most likely have to pay 25% under goodwill. Will get more details on Monday. My expectation is 0%. Up for o now Continental PE and BMW have not disappointed me.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Slaaiblaar on May 13, 2017, 09:16:52 pm
My 2013 with sterering damper gave up the ghost yesterday in the Baviaans on the way to the yearly bash. Would have been my first one. Next week's Post Retief wilmost likely be missed-m 5th. Dropped the bike off at the dealer this morning- salesman,s opinion is the drive shaft. My opinion either that or gearbox. Just under 30K all services done by dealer. First reaction from dealer is that I will most likely have to pay 25% under goodwill. Will get more details on Monday. My expectation is 0%. Up for o now Continental PE and BMW have not disappointed me.
25%is nothing , do not piss them off....if its good will they can always make you pay 100%
That is on a 4 year old bike 2 years out off warranty. They have no obligation to help you. Take the 75% discount. No other dealer will assist like that.


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: genie on May 15, 2017, 06:16:24 pm
Continental's diagnosis is that the drive shaft splines on the diff side corroded because of water ingress. This caused excessive lash and weakening over time causing the splines to be worn off. They are waiting for BMW to make a decision on goodwill. They have seen another LC with the same failure mode.


Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2017, 06:48:04 pm
Continental's diagnosis is that the drive shaft splines on the diff side corroded because of water ingress. This caused excessive lash and weakening over time causing the splines to be worn off. They are waiting for BMW to make a decision on goodwill. They have seen another LC with the same failure mode.

I bet it was caused by a high pressure washer... don't bring them near ny bike. Every dealer I have visited are using them. On my last service (at Honda) i gave clear instructions not to wash my bike as I brough her in clean for the service  when I came to collect I had to wat 10 minites because they are just drying my bike after washing. Direct that high pressure jet wrong and you will get water through the dif breather or dust caps
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: genie on May 17, 2017, 03:56:45 pm
Problem confirmed as corrosion between the splines at the diff spigot and driveshaft. Confirmed with Lynn Schroeder they have had a similar case. BMW supplied the driveshaft and 2 new rubber "seals"- I paid for most of the labour- R1500. Very good service from Peet at Continental Port Elizabeth and BMW. BMW in the process of improving the seals.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: bronzy on June 14, 2017, 02:12:23 pm
Continental's diagnosis is that the drive shaft splines on the diff side corroded because of water ingress. This caused excessive lash and weakening over time causing the splines to be worn off. They are waiting for BMW to make a decision on goodwill. They have seen another LC with the same failure mode.

I bet it was caused by a high pressure washer... don't bring them near ny bike. Every dealer I have visited are using them. On my last service (at Honda) i gave clear instructions not to wash my bike as I brough her in clean for the service  when I came to collect I had to wat 10 minites because they are just drying my bike after washing. Direct that high pressure jet wrong and you will get water through the dif breather or dust caps
i have used the high pressure cleaner for years no damage to my bike (just don't plug it inn to the wall  :thumleft: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Esplin on June 26, 2017, 03:28:12 pm
I have a 1200 - LC   2015 model. Went for a ride with mates on the weekend and they informed me there is a recall..
I must take my bike to BMW to get the front shocks checked. Has any one had theirs checked?
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Miracle_Salad on July 18, 2017, 10:06:15 am
I have a 1200 - LC   2015 model. Went for a ride with mates on the weekend and they informed me there is a recall..
I must take my bike to BMW to get the front shocks checked. Has any one had theirs checked?

I have a 2017 model, took mine into donfords, they replaced it no questions asked. Took around 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2017, 04:12:43 pm
I have a 1200 - LC   2015 model. Went for a ride with mates on the weekend and they informed me there is a recall..
I must take my bike to BMW to get the front shocks checked. Has any one had theirs checked?

Checked and stanchion bushes fitted last Monday.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: Miracle_Salad on September 07, 2017, 12:34:18 pm
So I have noticed a new problem on my 2017 model :
Pulled from my query thread.

So like for example this morning I was in second, pulled in the clutch and tried to blip the throttle at a naughty driver on his cellphone straddling the white line  :sip:.

The engine made an audible click noise and there was no rev. It almost sounded like the engine turned off and back on again. Is this like a safety feature of some sort?
I also noticed if im in a higher gear like 4th or 5th and I slow down and try blip the throttle, there is a light rev but it only picks up if I keep revving.

Last weekend, I tried to blip the throttle again in maybe 3rd or 2nd while approaching a stop with the clutch in, was practicing downshifting, and the engine cut. I thought this might be a feature or something as well?

If im stationary there is no problem, everything sounds fine. Its just when moving do I get these odd experiences. 

Response from BMW :

"With the bike being a big twin cylinder,they generally donít like to be blipped.

They can cut out from time to time,that is the nature of a big twin cylinder engine.

If youíd like us to check it out,youíre welcome to pop in."

Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: katana on September 07, 2017, 02:06:43 pm
You most likely flood the motor to some extent - or lean it out too much causing a stall?  I wouldn't worry about it.  Lots of energy needed to get those pistons moving.  The 1200 loves a steady throttle hand.
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: cm on September 07, 2017, 02:30:47 pm
I am a very happy and proud owner of a 2014 lc.
I admire the tenere, the Africa twin and all know ktm are gruesome, wish I could have one of each.
From readings there seem to be quirks with each but I'd still enjoy them.
I drive a 2016 " fallover" toyota hilux and appreciate it thoroughly.
If a product has too many problems don't buy it.


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Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: silvrav on September 08, 2017, 07:40:37 am
So I have noticed a new problem on my 2017 model :
Pulled from my query thread.

So like for example this morning I was in second, pulled in the clutch and tried to blip the throttle at a naughty driver on his cellphone straddling the white line  :sip:.

The engine made an audible click noise and there was no rev. It almost sounded like the engine turned off and back on again. Is this like a safety feature of some sort?
I also noticed if im in a higher gear like 4th or 5th and I slow down and try blip the throttle, there is a light rev but it only picks up if I keep revving.

Last weekend, I tried to blip the throttle again in maybe 3rd or 2nd while approaching a stop with the clutch in, was practicing downshifting, and the engine cut. I thought this might be a feature or something as well?

If im stationary there is no problem, everything sounds fine. Its just when moving do I get these odd experiences. 

Response from BMW :

"With the bike being a big twin cylinder,they generally donít like to be blipped.

They can cut out from time to time,that is the nature of a big twin cylinder engine.

If youíd like us to check it out,youíre welcome to pop in."

Normal... I have had my lc cut out by standing at a robot and blipping the throttle. If you blip at just the right piston positions the motor don't know what to do and decides to take a break  O0
Title: Re: Problems with the new LC
Post by: OomD on September 08, 2017, 08:14:07 am
So I have noticed a new problem on my 2017 model :
Pulled from my query thread.

So like for example this morning I was in second, pulled in the clutch and tried to blip the throttle at a naughty driver on his cellphone straddling the white line  :sip:.

The engine made an audible click noise and there was no rev. It almost sounded like the engine turned off and back on again. Is this like a safety feature of some sort?
I also noticed if im in a higher gear like 4th or 5th and I slow down and try blip the throttle, there is a light rev but it only picks up if I keep revving.

Last weekend, I tried to blip the throttle again in maybe 3rd or 2nd while approaching a stop with the clutch in, was practicing downshifting, and the engine cut. I thought this might be a feature or something as well?

If im stationary there is no problem, everything sounds fine. Its just when moving do I get these odd experiences. 

Response from BMW :

"With the bike being a big twin cylinder,they generally donít like to be blipped.

They can cut out from time to time,that is the nature of a big twin cylinder engine.

If youíd like us to check it out,youíre welcome to pop in."

Normal... I have had my lc cut out by stan