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Title: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 08, 2013, 09:18:57 pm
Anyone know how many were sold in SA ? I have never seen one come up secondhand. Also read they came with KYB forks vs the 610's Marzocchi's. Wonder why since the Shiver's feel damn fine to me  :dontknow:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: M3X3Z3 on August 09, 2013, 07:39:56 am
I know of 3 TE630 and 2 SM630.
Not sure of the total sold, could be < 10.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 10, 2013, 10:24:45 pm
No they both have Marzocs  :3some:  The 610 ones though need some work as the later models have no lower compression adjusters in bottom fork legs. Can be retro-fitted. Superfoxi sorted mine nicely. Really not sure I would prefer the 630 - easier to service the 610 and proven engine. Also do not need twin zorsts!
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on August 11, 2013, 07:55:24 am
I think the 610 suspension standard is better than the 630.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2013, 12:00:21 pm
I think the 610 suspension standard is better than the 630.

My suspicion is they are the same 45mm upside down Marzocs but have never ridden a 630.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 11, 2013, 12:07:54 pm
No they both have Marzocs  :3some:  The 610 ones though need some work as the later models have no lower compression adjusters in bottom fork legs. Can be retro-fitted. Superfoxi sorted mine nicely. Really not sure I would prefer the 630 - easier to service the 610 and proven engine. Also do not need twin zorsts!

My EFI 610 TE came standard with compression adjusters  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2013, 12:10:11 pm
you lucky - think from 2009 were not fitted.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 11, 2013, 12:12:28 pm
I have also never seen a 630 in the flesh.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2013, 08:14:54 pm
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2013, 08:59:07 pm
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?

Think they are both 275mm front? Not sure about back.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2013, 09:21:03 pm
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?

Think they are both 275mm front? Not sure about back.

You right from what I can gather - TE630 270 mm front TE 610 300mm front (both Marzocs)
Both models - rear Sachs are 320 mm travel.

I thought it was the SM630 that had less front travel.

Interesting - 30mm is a quite a lot.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 11, 2013, 09:38:32 pm
Yes you are right, 630 has 30mm less front. And the standard forks leave a lot to be desired. They were actually quite hard to bottom (I tried many times in Mariasburg and such) and surprisingly composed on big hoops, however useless in damping quick hits, which made them quite annoying riding for example on Lesotho dirt roads, as they have lots of rocks embedded and when you ride them at speed (why else of course) the suspension was very harsh. I have ridden AlanB's 610 and it did not seem better at that - but the added travel was plus.

I have had mine set-up by Hilton Hayward, and quite frankly was very disappointed - he made them way to soft, so the bike was soft and diving as crazy yet they somehow remained horribly harsh on quick hits.

The second try was Conrad - Runner and he after lots of expletives done some modifications to the insides and now they are much more progressive and less harsh on quick hits.

That said - I've put WP from 690RR (the Dakar special) ones on my Tenere, and I may do similar to 630 later on.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 11, 2013, 09:50:24 pm
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.


Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2013, 10:08:48 pm
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value javascript:replaceText(' :lol8:', document.forms.postmodify.message);) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.



Agree the biggest drawback on the 610 for me is how the power trails off quite dramaticlly at higher revs, it feels like an old school DR650 or XRL. Bit frustrating when you want to overtake in top gear. Coming from a CRF made it even worse, I hope the Leo Vince I have yet to fit will help somewhat. An uncorked 630 is on 50 rwhp from what I have seen which is very good
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on August 11, 2013, 10:26:32 pm
Yes you are right, 630 has 30mm less front. And the standard forks leave a lot to be desired. They were actually quite hard to bottom (I tried many times in Mariasburg and such) and surprisingly composed on big hoops, however useless in damping quick hits, which made them quite annoying riding for example on Lesotho dirt roads, as they have lots of rocks embedded and when you ride them at speed (why else of course) the suspension was very harsh. I have ridden AlanB's 610 and it did not seem better at that - but the added travel was plus.

I have had mine set-up by Hilton Hayward, and quite frankly was very disappointed - he made them way to soft, so the bike was soft and diving as crazy yet they somehow remained horribly harsh on quick hits.

The second try was Conrad - Runner and he after lots of expletives done some modifications to the insides and now they are much more progressive and less harsh on quick hits.

That said - I've put WP from 690RR (the Dakar special) ones on my Tenere, and I may do similar to 630 later on.

Its amazing how different people see suspension.

I agree that the 630 front was a bit soft - I put it down to the BMW influence. BMW seem to think that suspension is there to make the rider feel comfortable, not make the bike handle properly, so their suspension is usually too soft! 

But I've never thought the 610 was harsh, in fact I've always liked the way it tracks true, and just goes where you want it to, even when you hit rocks and stuff at speed.  You can hit a gully or something that you didn't see and couldn't avoid in time and the bike just soaks it up and keeps going without any bad behaviour.

I hit a 40cm high square edge of an erosion gully carved across a dirt road, that I just didnt see in time (was getting a bit lazy towards the end of the ride) at about 120-130 on the Amageza last year.  The impact was so hard that I thought I might have broken the bike at first.  But I rode right through without loss of control or anything.  I stopped about 100m later when I realised the front tube had burst (it split open in a 20cm long tear).  That was the only drama, no damage except the tube - not many bikes would have been as forgiving IMO  :thumleft:

In Nambia when you got onto those endlessly corrugated roads, I just kept speeding up until I couldn't feel the corrugations anymore.  I hit a few  holes at speed then as well and the bike soaks it up without any fuss.   

In fact one thing I constantly like about my 610 is the way it handles, its the one outstanding thing about the bike for me. 


Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2013, 10:56:45 pm
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2013, 11:05:31 pm
Another vote for the Marzocchi's, I do not like stiff suspension. The Shivers offers a fairly comfy ride while still doing what proper suspension should. Most Jap bikes rattle your fillings out. Then again I'm only 80kg. The conventional Showa's on my DRZ and WP on the 525 was also quite good.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 11, 2013, 11:32:11 pm
All right - let's agree to disagree then  ;). The true is that I have ridden 610 only for about 3km, so I may have got wrong impression. I also use the bike as adventure bike for a trip twice/three times a year so I may be looking for different character - harsh suspension tires me down and takes away the enjoyment. But with Conrad's mod its pretty good - I'm just spoiled from my KTM300, suspension of which is just perfect for me, and Tenere is also different bike with WP.

Just about the softness - the 630 stock was actually pretty hard - very difficult to bottom even with shorter travel and yes, good at keeping the chosen direction. However small rocks on middle speeds (40 - 80 kmh) were really annoying and tiring. Alan, when you ridden the 630 it was right after Hilton's softening job and you might remember me bitching no end about how bad it was.

Fast speed on corrugation I think anything can do as you basically fly over them - at least my 1150GSA fully loaded coming from Europe was fine, as long as I stayed over 80 kmh.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: blazes on August 12, 2013, 07:39:09 am
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

Plus 100% ;)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 12, 2013, 09:16:30 am
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

Plus 100% ;)
Sounds great.
Don't want SideTrack to run out of "confidence" in September :) --or do you think that you will make it up that 4x4 track Jacques?

*edit* no, that track will be insane with 4 day's baggage. I certainly wont have the confidence on my CRF  ;)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 09:32:16 am
Suspension wise you get what you pay for. There is no bike you can buy out the box, especially one that is competitively priced and marketed as a DS bike, which will have great suspension. It is one of the main areas where the manufactures cut costs. A good example is my 610 compared to say Alan's or BiG DoM's slightly newer ones, my forks are fitted with the compression adjusters from the factory those are not (a cost cutting exercise).

On the outside some of the stuff looks great but when you open it up it is pretty basic stuff. Also the manufacturers have to choose a spring rate that is suits an average weight, so if you don't fall into the average range you are automatically compromised.

The most expensive part of the Dakar bikes are the forks and shock. I heard that the forks and shock that the KTM customer teams use cannot be bought from KTM and are leased together with a technician. I also heard that the factory forks on Rossi's bike cost half a bar.

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 09:36:01 am
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.






I could not agree more with your opinion on the 690 not feeling like a thumper. It was my main gripe with the one I owned, I referred to it as a peaky engine not a gutless twin though.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2013, 09:43:25 am
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

Plus 100% ;)
Sounds great.
Don't want SideTrack to run out of "confidence" in September :) --or do you think that you will make it up that 4x4 track Jacques?

*edit* no, that track will be insane with 4 day's baggage. I certainly wont have the confidence on my CRF  ;)
I have a sneaky feeling that I might actually do be better on the 610  :eek7: No serious, on the CRF the shocks felt too stiff. Every single rock I hit the bike jumped off line and with the snappy throttle I was rarely in control. Same with my DRZ, I could ride that thing better offroad than either my 525 or CRF.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2013, 09:44:23 am
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.






I could not agree more with your opinion on the 690 not feeling like a thumper. It was my main gripe with the one I owned, I referred to it as a peaky engine not a gutless twin though.
But 690 owners reckon all other thumpers feels very slow in comparison, have never ridden a 690 myself. Guess they refer to top speed then and not putting around in first and second gear ?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 09:45:48 am
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.






I could not agree more with your opinion on the 690 not feeling like a thumper. It was my main gripe with the one I owned, I referred to it as a peaky engine not a gutless twin though.
But 690 owners reckon all other thumpers feels very slow in comparison, have never ridden a 690 myself ?

They make all their power high up in the rev range.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2013, 09:48:12 am
Suspension wise you get what you pay for. There is no bike you can buy out the box, especially one that is competitively priced and marketed as a DS bike, which will have great suspension. It is one of the main areas where the manufactures cut costs. A good example is my 610 compared to say Alan's or BiG DoM's slightly newer ones, my forks are fitted with the compression adjusters from the factory those are not (a cost cutting exercise).

On the outside some of the stuff looks great but when you open it up it is pretty basic stuff. Also the manufacturers have to choose a spring rate that is suits an average weight, so if you don't fall into the average range you are automatically compromised.

The most expensive part of the Dakar bikes are the forks and shock. I heard that the forks and shock that the KTM customer teams use cannot be bought from KTM and are leased together with a technician. I also heard that the factory forks on Rossi's bike cost half a bar.

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c
So the 2006 TE610 is the best of all time, FCR carb - compression adjusters and it's Husky yellow and blue  8) :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 09:49:39 am

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c

RR I think you are looking for shyte here  ;D  Much of what you say is true but KTM has the best DS suspension out the box - some may even say great (I do not own an orange and never have, not to say I never will mind you ... but not looking at this stage). There is little to beat WP and yes I know there are variables even with WP that often need tweaking, but to claim the standard Marzocs are superior to the 690 WP's ... I have my doubts. I had Marzocs on my HP2 and had MP do all his magic on them and they were maybe 30% better than stock but no comparison to the WP's  that I eventually had Superfoxi sort out for me. I am happy with the Marzocs at present as he has set them up on my Husky. I think if you want the meneer you go WP and go to Hilton Haywood = after all he was THE KTM factory race WP guy in Europe for a number of years and knows them better than anyone else IMHO. Marzocs used to be tops ... I think they have not kept up to speed in R&D and the cost cutting shows.

My 3 cents  ;)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 09:56:47 am


They make all their power high up in the rev range.

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Indeed - you cannot "putt around in 1st and 2nd gear" on the 690 ... the peaky engine and ridiculous close ratio box mitigate against it. This is one of the absolute beauties about the Husky ... being able to "putter" through the gnarly stuff.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 10:01:26 am
BTW - saw a nice TE610 on Scumtree a few days back - in CT - R53K I think ... could be negotiated down I guess. Know anyone looking.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 10:02:08 am


They make all their power high up in the rev range.

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Indeed - you cannot "put around in 1st and 2nd gear" on the 690 ... the peaky engine and ridiculous close ratio box mitigate against it. This is one of the absolute beauties about the Husky ... being able to "putter" through the gnarly stuff.
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The 690 is a short stroke fast revving high power engine while the 610 is a long stroke torque monster. It's that long stroke that causes the cam chain problems in my opinion.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 10:05:27 am
I think the auto cam chain tensioner contributes as well ... and like all chains you get different qualities ... some claim the newer ones are better???  Also fit the the APE manual tensioner when you replace the cam chain.  :thumleft: 
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 10:07:54 am

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c

RR I think you are looking for shyte here  ;D  Much of what you say is true but KTM has the best DS suspension out the box - some may even say great (I do not own an orange and never have, not to say I never will mind you ... but not looking at this stage). There is little to beat WP and yes I know there are variables even with WP that often need tweaking, but to claim the standard Marzocs are superior to the 690 WP's ... I have my doubts. I had Marzocs on my HP2 and had MP do all his magic on them and they were maybe 30% better than stock but no comparison to the WP's  that I eventually had Superfoxi sort out for me. I am happy with the Marzocs at present as he has set them up on my Husky. I think if you want the meneer you go WP and go to Hilton Haywood = after all he was THE KTM factory race WP guy in Europe for a number of years and knows them better than anyone else IMHO. Marzocs used to be tops ... I think they have not kept up to speed in R&D and the cost cutting shows.

My 3 cents  ;)

I beg to differ, the bottom of the range WP stuff, as fitted to the 690, is the same crap as the rest. Have a look at the suspension travel on the 690.

I have a 950 SE with WP which is supposed to be a bit superior, due to the heritage of the bike. Believe me there is nothing special about the stock suspension on this bike, even after MP fiddled with it.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 10:09:04 am
I think the auto cam chain tensioner contributes as well ... and like all chains you get different qualities ... some claim the newer ones are better???  Also fit the the APE manual tensioner when you replace the cam chain.  :thumleft: 

But you still have a long narrow angle chain to deal with.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 12, 2013, 10:42:12 am
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.






I could not agree more with your opinion on the 690 not feeling like a thumper. It was my main gripe with the one I owned, I referred to it as a peaky engine not a gutless twin though.
But 690 owners reckon all other thumpers feels very slow in comparison, have never ridden a 690 myself. Guess they refer to top speed then and not putting around in first and second gear ?
Can't you remember how those 690's went up that rock climb?
As you said, you could not ride your CRFx up the same climb where a 60 year old dude with a heart condition managed his 690?
I do believe that the 690 makes most of its power in the high rpm's, but believe me, I saw 1st hand how those things can climb.. and it was impressive.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 12, 2013, 10:45:55 am
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

Plus 100% ;)
Sounds great.
Don't want SideTrack to run out of "confidence" in September :) --or do you think that you will make it up that 4x4 track Jacques?

*edit* no, that track will be insane with 4 day's baggage. I certainly wont have the confidence on my CRF  ;)
I have a sneaky feeling that I might actually do be better on the 610  :eek7: No serious, on the CRF the shocks felt too stiff. Every single rock I hit the bike jumped off line and with the snappy throttle I was rarely in control. Same with my DRZ, I could ride that thing better offroad than either my 525 or CRF.
Well we could give it a shot.. I wouldn't mind testing the 14 tooth front sprocket.
Will certainly be an achievement; doing it with 4 days baggage + tools
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: blazes on August 12, 2013, 11:31:18 am

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c

RR I think you are looking for shyte here  ;D  Much of what you say is true but KTM has the best DS suspension out the box - some may even say great (I do not own an orange and never have, not to say I never will mind you ... but not looking at this stage). There is little to beat WP and yes I know there are variables even with WP that often need tweaking, but to claim the standard Marzocs are superior to the 690 WP's ... I have my doubts. I had Marzocs on my HP2 and had MP do all his magic on them and they were maybe 30% better than stock but no comparison to the WP's  that I eventually had Superfoxi sort out for me. I am happy with the Marzocs at present as he has set them up on my Husky. I think if you want the meneer you go WP and go to Hilton Haywood = after all he was THE KTM factory race WP guy in Europe for a number of years and knows them better than anyone else IMHO. Marzocs used to be tops ... I think they have not kept up to speed in R&D and the cost cutting shows.

My 3 cents  ;)

I beg to differ, the bottom of the range WP stuff, as fitted to the 690, is the same crap as the rest. Have a look at the suspension travel on the 690.

I have a 950 SE with WP which is supposed to be a bit superior, due to the heritage of the bike. Believe me there is nothing special about the stock suspension on this bike, even after MP fiddled with it.


YEP .. Have to agree with you on that one --Hated the suspension on the KTM ---
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 11:35:01 am
I think the auto cam chain tensioner contributes as well ... and like all chains you get different qualities ... some claim the newer ones are better???  Also fit the the APE manual tensioner when you replace the cam chain.  :thumleft: 

But you still have a long narrow angle chain to deal with.

granted.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 11:40:26 am

On paper the suspension on the 610 appears to be superior to the 630; there is more travel and the bike is lighter.  Both still have better suspension than the 690's though.

my 2c

RR I think you are looking for shyte here  ;D  Much of what you say is true but KTM has the best DS suspension out the box - some may even say great (I do not own an orange and never have, not to say I never will mind you ... but not looking at this stage). There is little to beat WP and yes I know there are variables even with WP that often need tweaking, but to claim the standard Marzocs are superior to the 690 WP's ... I have my doubts. I had Marzocs on my HP2 and had MP do all his magic on them and they were maybe 30% better than stock but no comparison to the WP's  that I eventually had Superfoxi sort out for me. I am happy with the Marzocs at present as he has set them up on my Husky. I think if you want the meneer you go WP and go to Hilton Haywood = after all he was THE KTM factory race WP guy in Europe for a number of years and knows them better than anyone else IMHO. Marzocs used to be tops ... I think they have not kept up to speed in R&D and the cost cutting shows.

My 3 cents  ;)

I beg to differ, the bottom of the range WP stuff, as fitted to the 690, is the same crap as the rest. Have a look at the suspension travel on the 690.

I have a 950 SE with WP which is supposed to be a bit superior, due to the heritage of the bike. Believe me there is nothing special about the stock suspension on this bike, even after MP fiddled with it.


YEP .. Have to agree with you on that one --Hated the suspension on the KTM ---

Did you know this, taken off another forum?

"As a guy that's worked with WP all the ways back to the White Power days, I can comfortably say that it's good suspension. Not great. Certainly not top shelf... and not even in the same ballpark as Öhlins. There's a reason why KTM doesn't even run their own product when they race."

Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 11:43:57 am
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 11:53:31 am
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.

No it came off Adventure Rider http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2013, 12:06:27 pm
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

Plus 100% ;)
Sounds great.
Don't want SideTrack to run out of "confidence" in September :) --or do you think that you will make it up that 4x4 track Jacques?

*edit* no, that track will be insane with 4 day's baggage. I certainly wont have the confidence on my CRF  ;)
I have a sneaky feeling that I might actually do be better on the 610  :eek7: No serious, on the CRF the shocks felt too stiff. Every single rock I hit the bike jumped off line and with the snappy throttle I was rarely in control. Same with my DRZ, I could ride that thing better offroad than either my 525 or CRF.
Well we could give it a shot.. I wouldn't mind testing the 14 tooth front sprocket.
Will certainly be an achievement; doing it with 4 days baggage + tools
 :biggrin:
My bike is fairly scratch free, would like to keep it that way :) Hope I can still make this ride, the steering stem beatings is a major bummer. Finances is tight snd I would not like to go with the setup as is :/
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 12:16:41 pm
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.

No it came off Adventure Rider http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099)

Shit I started reading this thread and so much dick swinging going on I got dizzy and could not finish it!  :lol8: Clearly that cowboy is punting his product above all else.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 12, 2013, 12:52:54 pm


They make all their power high up in the rev range.


Indeed - you cannot "put around in 1st and 2nd gear" on the 690 ... the peaky engine and ridiculous close ratio box mitigate against it. This is one of the absolute beauties about the Husky ... being able to "putter" through the gnarly stuff.
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The 690 is a short stroke fast revving high power engine while the 610 is a long stroke torque monster. It's that long stroke that causes the cam chain problems in my opinion.
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And in my experience 630 is somewhere in between 610 and 690 covering nicely both worlds - enough pull low down to get through some stupid places I get myself into, while being quite smooth and powerful at 140-150 kmh (GPS) due to great wide ratio gearbox (compared to 690) and enough power in high revs (DOHC).

Just one more comment about 690 being gutless twin, as it may seem to implicate that 690 does not have power, which it definitely does. Back in Europe I have had the first Aprilia Tuono - the twin with 120 hp. And on some rides I swapped it for my mates GSXR1000 with something like 160 - 180hp. And while the GSXR was objectively much stronger and stupidly fast, compared to Tuono you did not realized it as it picked up speed very smoothly and stealthily. Tuono on the other hand pulled like train from get go and therefore subjectively gave you much stronger emotions throughout the rev range. So in terms of enjoyment/risk ratio Tuono was winning hands down for me as you did not have to go crazy fast and you still felt rush like you are launching in the space shuttle. GSXR felt like nothing is happening and then you check speedo and you doing 250 kmh.

And that is somehow how I felt riding 630 (Tuono) and 690 (GSXR) - the 690 revved quicker  but somehow I did not feel any oomph and noticed that I'm doing 150 only when checking the speedo.

So no 690 hate here  ;) - if Husky doesn't come up with some 610/630 successor I may end up buying one once my 630 dies. Hopefully they will put proper gearbox on it by that time - I'm already resigned that shitty forks will need some work.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 12:55:15 pm
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.

No it came off Adventure Rider http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099)

Shit I started reading this thread and so much dick swinging going on I got dizzy and could not finish it!  :lol8: Clearly that cowboy is punting his product above all else.

The end of the day you can't compare OEM suspension to specialized after market stuff.  
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 01:03:27 pm
Ja and when guys are paying $150 000 for hiring WP forks for two weeks of Dakar then you must know that all things are not equal (admittedly those two noodles come with a support techie).  :3some:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 12, 2013, 01:36:46 pm
My bike is fairly scratch free, would like to keep it that way :) Hope I can still make this ride, the steering stem beatings is a major bummer. Finances is tight snd I would not like to go with the setup as is :/
True.
I'm organizing the ride for pleasure, not pressure  ;)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 02:14:14 pm
Ja and when guys are paying $150 000 for hiring WP forks for two weeks of Dakar then you must know that all things are not equal (admittedly those two noodles come with a support techie).  :3some:

No no you got that wrong they are Ohlins forks inside WP stanchions  >:D
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2013, 03:49:21 pm
Ja ja ... not too far off the mark as part of the reason why some of the bottom end WP's are also considered rather dodge as they do not want to pay Ohlins the royalties for some internals that Ohlins own  :3some:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 12, 2013, 04:10:05 pm
Ja ja ... not too far off the mark as part of the reason why some of the bottom end WP's are also considered rather dodge as they do not want to pay Ohlins the royalties for some internals that Ohlins own  :3some:

That's why you get a technician when you lease the forks. KTM don't want you to know that they run Ohlins internals in the forks  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on August 12, 2013, 05:38:44 pm
Some lively debate in the Husky section for a change  :thumleft:

Quote
So no 690 hate here  Wink - if Husky doesn't come up with some 610/630 successor I may end up buying one once my 630 dies. Hopefully they will put proper gearbox on it by that time - I'm already resigned that shitty forks will need some work.

Ja  I have to agree.  I don't have anything but respect for the 690.  Its got a great engine, but it doesn't have the 610's great match between the engine and the gearbox, nor I think its handling.  But its the only game in town at the moment and if I had to buy a new bike, that would be it.

I'm not as worried about horsepower figures and dyno charts.  My experience is that in offroad riding, the rider's ability is the single biggest limitation to going fast, unless you are just doing drags down a nice smooth road.  Not only that, too much horsepower just gets in the way sometimes - for eg try take that 700 2T Miaco up a difficult climb!  Or the Aprillia twin 550 for that matter!

What SHOULD HAVE happened is that the 630 should have been an unreserved improvement on the 610.  But it seemed they improved the engine's horsepower figures - at the expense of the bottom end - but down graded the suspension and handling slightly - this is typical BMW thinking IMO - their target market worry about engine horsepower and are oblivious, or even adverse, to whats necessary for riding off road - so proper suspension and handling gets neglected or downgraded and "softened". 

I hold the idiots in Munich completely responsible.

I'm starting to sound like 2SD, which is worrying, but I have lost a lot of the  respect I used to have for BMW over this sorry tale I'm afraid.

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

But the 610 is still one of the nicest offroad bikes I have ever ridden.  Its combination of handling, low end tractability, weight, speed, power etc  are all in the "Goldilocks range" - if only someone else would bloody realise this and build us a worthy successor!
 
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2013, 07:46:01 pm

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

 

Ever ridden a KTM 525 ? That is damn close, 6th gears and incredible torque. That thing chugs up the gnarliest hills. Only thing is the service intervals and two oil filters ..... and three drain plugs  :biggrin: Really enjoyed mine.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 13, 2013, 09:20:02 am

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

 

Ever ridden a KTM 525 ? That is damn close, 6th gears and incredible torque. That thing chugs up the gnarliest hills. Only thing is the service intervals and two oil filters ..... and three drain plugs  :biggrin: Really enjoyed mine.

The KTM 525 is a different beast altogether and cannot be compared to 610 or any other DS bike. The bike that I found the easiest to chug up hills on was a KX 500 and I won't be comparing that to my 610 any time soon  :biggrin:.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 13, 2013, 11:09:47 am
or maybe a CRF230 mountain goat?  :lol8:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 13, 2013, 11:26:08 am
or maybe a CRF230 mountain goat?

No man there is no replacement for displacement  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2013, 09:38:17 pm
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 13, 2013, 09:45:35 pm
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: stan1975 on August 13, 2013, 10:04:48 pm
Loving the banter, impressions, agreements and disagreements... Like I've heard so many times on the forum... If you want 20 opinions ask 20 people..  :sip:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 14, 2013, 07:55:46 am
Loving the banter, impressions, agreements and disagreements... Like I've heard so many times on the forum... If you want 20 opinions ask 20 people..  :sip:
Welcome to the far reaches of the Wilddog galaxy, not even the mods visit here  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 14, 2013, 10:20:07 am
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:

We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 14, 2013, 10:35:31 am
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:

We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
All depends what the future for Husqvarna will hold, some said cheap models made in India others that it will replace Husaberg and be enduro bikes only ? Let's hope there is some DS bikes planned for the future.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 14, 2013, 10:37:32 am
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:

We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
All depends what the future for Husqvarna will hold, some said cheap models made in India others that it will replace Husaberg and be enduro bikes only ? Let's hope there is some DS bikes planned for the future.

KTM are already building some of their bikes in India.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 14, 2013, 10:39:14 am
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:

We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
All depends what the future for Husqvarna will hold, some said cheap models made in India others that it will replace Husaberg and be enduro bikes only ? Let's hope there is some DS bikes planned for the future.

KTM are already building some of their bikes in India.
As in KTM's or Huskies ?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on August 14, 2013, 10:44:49 am
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
 :thumleft:

We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
All depends what the future for Husqvarna will hold, some said cheap models made in India others that it will replace Husaberg and be enduro bikes only ? Let's hope there is some DS bikes planned for the future.

KTM are already building some of their bikes in India.
As in KTM's or Huskies ?

I understand the new KTM 390 is built in India.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 18, 2013, 09:54:37 am
Seems like I'm the only one who will have to defend 630's honour here. So it is screwed :imaposer:.

Anyway, here is some footage of what 630 is capable of in the hands of overweight, talentless Eastern European lost in Lesotho.

Lesotho 2012 YT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-WqzuVJk0#)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 18, 2013, 10:18:33 am
No need to be defensive  :biggrin:  Great footage. Lesotho is definitely natural habitat for the TE's. I have been there a couple of times now on mine - we go every year pre-Roof plotting different routes there and through Lesotho. Do you have that route in a form you can post - looks just like our cup of tea!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: blazes on August 18, 2013, 05:16:24 pm
Nice one XP ---- Lestho is still by far one of the best places to ride imho ---- ;) I simply love it and the natural rugged beauty of the place --
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 18, 2013, 05:49:59 pm
Thanks

@BD: The track is actually on the Tracks4Africa. It is the shortest connection between Mantsonyane (village over Mokhoabong pass from Thaba Tseka on the main road between Thaba Tseka and Maseru) and Semonkong. If you have T4A you should be able to get it - I'm not tech savvy enough to be able to rip it out of T4A.

The whole connection is about 60-70 km over pretty rough terrain (the video captures the toughest valley crossing, however there is more rocks before the pass) so start early.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on August 18, 2013, 06:54:45 pm
Ah - got it. Ja have ridden this one. We always stay at Ramabanta so we have ridden most routes in and around there  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on August 18, 2013, 07:13:50 pm
Seems like I'm the only one who will have to defend 630's honour here. So it is screwed :imaposer:.

Anyway, here is some footage of what 630 is capable of in the hands of overweight, talentless Eastern European lost in Lesotho.

Lesotho 2012 YT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-WqzuVJk0#)

Great video!

Love those sorts of roads, it got quite gnarly in places  :biggrin:  Well done for tackling that sort of stuff all on your own.  I looked up the track, its now on my to-do list.  How long did it take you to get from one village to the other?


Nothing wrong with the 630  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: swart skaap on August 18, 2013, 07:18:46 pm
Nice one Xpat.
Sidetrack, we need to do a Lesotho loop too!
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2013, 07:39:18 pm
Seems like I'm the only one who will have to defend 630's honour here. So it is screwed :imaposer:.

Anyway, here is some footage of what 630 is capable of in the hands of overweight, talentless Eastern European lost in Lesotho.

Lesotho 2012 YT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-WqzuVJk0#)
Cool ride  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2013, 10:00:21 am

Great video!

Love those sorts of roads, it got quite gnarly in places  :biggrin:  Well done for tackling that sort of stuff all on your own.  I looked up the track, its now on my to-do list.  How long did it take you to get from one village to the other?


Nothing wrong with the 630  :thumleft:

I wasn't  alone - by the time I was in the middle of the hill half of the village caught up with me  ;D.

Don't remember how long it took me village to village, but I think I started from Thaba Tseka at about 9:00am and was at Semonkong roughly about 4:00pm (it was still light, that much I know).
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on August 20, 2013, 07:12:51 am
All right, here is the next instalment of the '630 does Africa' series. This one is a ride between Epupa Falls and Swartbortsdrift along the Kunene river track in Kaokoland.

http://youtu.be/8A91M4uqiqY (http://youtu.be/8A91M4uqiqY)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 20, 2013, 07:59:16 am
Two thumbs up as old Roger Ebert would say  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on September 08, 2013, 11:36:43 pm
Another 630 video - this time riding in Kaokoland from Purros to Sesfontein via Huarusib river bed.

Namibia - Kaokoland - Huarusib river (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aco2G34gspI#)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: TK on September 09, 2013, 08:35:21 pm
Hey Xpat......you sure know how to piss on a guys battery with your video clips. You're such a punk showing these awesome trips.........why????? :pot:
Anyway, absolutely friggin awesome. Would like to the track from you. :ricky:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on September 09, 2013, 08:55:48 pm
Stayed in that same camp site at Puros and rode down the same River bed  :thumleft:

Namibia, and especially the Koakaveld is just such a special place!

You saw quite a few elephants  :thumleft:  I rode past two without seeing them in that river bed - going too fast (was told about them later by my mates in 4x4's who came along much later) - but to be honest I'm glad I didn't see them at the time. 

I was quite nervous about the combination of thick sand (which I was still getting used to) and elephants.  If I kept moving at a reasonable speed I was quite happy, but had no confidence in doing drastic maneuvers right in front of an elephant!  Plus the GPS warnings of "danger aggressive elephants" didn't help.

But next time, I'm going to go much slower, stop more often and take a lot more photo's!  Its just stupid to blast through such a beautiful part of the world!
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on September 10, 2013, 01:03:03 pm
@TK: Glad to be of service  ;D. Not sure what "to the track from you" is - I assume to get the track You can actually find it on the Tracks4Africa, which is what I was following.

@AlanB: Oh yeah, I'm scared of elephants all right. However I found that stretch of river relatively easy as it is mostly wide so you can see far and anticipate any trouble. There are much hairier sections coming in the riverbeds from Orupembe to Purros, where you are zig-zaging between bushes, with a lot of elephant tracks tracks. I was always ready to open up and bugger off there.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on October 21, 2013, 10:46:13 pm
Two more 630 videos from Kaokoland - this time riding from Epupa Falls through Van Zyl's pass to Otjihungwa in Marienfluss. Part 1 is getting to Van Zyl, part 2 riding over the pass.


Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/w-RwRPP5N2A

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/vqMQXPKc_9I
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on October 22, 2013, 12:57:21 pm
Van Zyl's Pass solo well done  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on October 22, 2013, 01:21:57 pm
Great video Thomas!

Takes balls to do that on your own IMO!

What did you do about carrying water?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on October 22, 2013, 02:05:58 pm
It's Martin, Alan, but no worries it's been a long time   ;D

I carry always excessive amount of water as I'm paranoid about dehydration - it almost done me few years back by the Lake Turkana in Kenya. So this time I had 3 litre cameback, and about 6-7 litres on one of those Touratcg water bags that take no space once empty.

And I was alone because my mate with whom I have started the trip - one of the guys in the beginning of part 1 - fell off Tenere at about 100kmh few km before Epupa Falls two days before and him and Tenere were out of commission for VZP. That said, I do not find riding solo that intimidating - even though inner Kaokoland is pushing it a bit.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on October 22, 2013, 05:11:05 pm
It's Martin, Alan, but no worries it's been a long time   ;D



Apologies Martin, I'm really crap with names.  Sorry.

But still thanks for the info.  I'm also paranoid about water, especially in that part of the world.

When I was up there with all my mates following in 4x4's I tried to get them to understand what the consequences could be if I couldn't find them or eieth party got lost (I only carried 3 litres), and was usually a hundred k's or so ahead of them at any point - but they never really took the issue too seriously.   I suppose because it was ultimately my issue, not theirs.
 

Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on October 27, 2013, 01:48:41 am
Last part of the Van Zyl's pass crossing - Marienfluss valley

http://www.youtube.com/v/ClNcmFS2fU0
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: HK on October 30, 2013, 09:40:04 pm
Check this

http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg (http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg)
 :ricky:


Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on October 31, 2013, 10:50:20 am
Check this

http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg (http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg)
 :ricky:



Bit far away to check out  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: HK on October 31, 2013, 06:58:43 pm
Check this

http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg[/

 (http://www.halls-cycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=477968&p=1&s=Year&d=D&i=%2Fimglib%2Fnimg%2F400x200%2F2011_Husqvarna_TE_630.jpg)
Bit far away to check out  :biggrin:



Ha ha grap gat , ek bedoel kyk met jou oe"  :lol8:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on November 04, 2013, 08:08:40 pm
Well I must admit I was never a fan, just more over the top than the 610 which I think was a step in the wrong direction. I have read alot of articles on the 630 now and even the looks have started to grow on me, as a second Husky to the 610 I reckon I would like one just because they are so damn scarce in SA. Think Xpat mentioned only 4 being sold locally, would be a nice addition to the man cave  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on November 04, 2013, 08:44:44 pm
Well I must admit I was never a fan, just more over the top than the 610 which I think was a step in the wrong direction. I have read alot of articles on the 630 now and even the looks have started to grow on me, as a second Husky to the 610 I reckon I would like one just because they are so damn scarce in SA. Think Xpat mentioned only 4 being sold locally, would be a nice addition to the man cave  :biggrin:


WTF you saying here boet? The 610 was a step in the wrong direction or the 630? If 630 well yes in some respects.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on November 04, 2013, 09:24:32 pm
Well I must admit I was never a fan, just more over the top than the 610 which I think was a step in the wrong direction. I have read alot of articles on the 630 now and even the looks have started to grow on me, as a second Husky to the 610 I reckon I would like one just because they are so damn scarce in SA. Think Xpat mentioned only 4 being sold locally, would be a nice addition to the man cave  :biggrin:


WTF you saying here boet? The 610 was a step in the wrong direction or the 630? If 630 well yes in some respects.
630 heavier, less suspension travel etc. But certainly still a very good choice along side a 690 in the middle weight class.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2013, 06:50:39 am
You still have not explained your comment about "a step in the wrong direction"?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on November 10, 2013, 02:22:55 pm
Well I must admit I was never a fan, just more over the top than the 610 which I think was a step in the wrong direction. I have read alot of articles on the 630 now and even the looks have started to grow on me, as a second Husky to the 610 I reckon I would like one just because they are so damn scarce in SA. Think Xpat mentioned only 4 being sold locally, would be a nice addition to the man cave  :biggrin:


I seems you may still get the chance - it's just not going to be branded as Husky but Shineray (whatever that is in Chinese):
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on November 10, 2013, 03:02:41 pm
Well I must admit I was never a fan, just more over the top than the 610 which I think was a step in the wrong direction. I have read alot of articles on the 630 now and even the looks have started to grow on me, as a second Husky to the 610 I reckon I would like one just because they are so damn scarce in SA. Think Xpat mentioned only 4 being sold locally, would be a nice addition to the man cave  :biggrin:


I seems you may still get the chance - it's just not going to be branded as Husky but Shineray (whatever that is in Chinese):


Wow now that's interesting?

Do you think they bought the design or back engineered it?

At least SOMEONE is listening to what us DS bikers want - not necessarily whom we would want it to be - but still.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on November 10, 2013, 03:09:28 pm
No idea, here is where I got it from: http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/actual-news-on-the-ktm-purchase-of-husqvarna.31057/page-107 (http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/actual-news-on-the-ktm-purchase-of-husqvarna.31057/page-107)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: alanB on November 10, 2013, 04:17:50 pm
Thanks

Busy going through the thread, not sure why I never saw it before - its a long thread with tons of interesting snippets  :thumleft:

My take is that this probably means that Stefan Pierer are not going to build a new 610/630, so he sold of the design to the Chinese.  I saw they are supposedly building them in Italy for the European market only.

Makes you think?!!!!

At least they are not dead....but as much as I like the 610 - would I buy a Chinese version  :-\ :xxbah: ???
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Crossed-up on November 10, 2013, 04:46:00 pm
"spoke to the shineray guy again at the eicma... they will sell for 30% less than the husky prices, and they'll focus on europe only for the near future."

Wow, if they ever came here that would translate to, what, R60K?  Good value if true, and if they genuinely used European sourced parts..

Lots of "ifs", but I'd put my money down "if" it were all true.


Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on November 10, 2013, 06:08:27 pm
Interesting but I have mixed emotions, Italian stuff can do my head in sometimes but when they go there is nothing like it. I'm on the fence  :-\
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 10, 2013, 06:21:54 pm
Well well, I never saw that coming, but I like it and hope it takes a shit load of sales away from KTM.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on November 10, 2013, 06:25:08 pm
Kark part is telling someone you ride a Shinerai  :P
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Crossed-up on November 10, 2013, 06:35:22 pm
Just buy a set of original plastics and no-one will know.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Crossed-up on November 10, 2013, 06:40:26 pm
Actually, if this is for real I imagine they'll float a Euro-based company to brand and market the bikes.  Stand by for Varese Resurrection Motos.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on November 10, 2013, 06:41:25 pm
Just buy a set of original plastics and no-one will know.
Will be built in Italy :

"according to them: same tools, same suppliers, same parts. production in italy (near milan)."

You will still be supporting the Chinese though
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on February 09, 2014, 10:30:27 pm
One more video from Kaokoland. This one is a bit of a cheat as I'm actually riding big pig (XT660Z), but you can see my mate on 630. He is a noob with only 20 riding days in his life, so be kind.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Rde-Ch2LIL0
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on November 17, 2014, 08:22:00 pm
Not sure what happened to Shineray, but Husky DNA seems to have resurfaced in Europe again:

http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/swm-speedy-works-motors-to-make-a-comeback (http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/swm-speedy-works-motors-to-make-a-comeback)

Edit: OK, correction - I see now they are funded by Shineray.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on November 17, 2014, 09:26:30 pm
More than just a little DNA  ::)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on November 17, 2014, 10:03:58 pm
Yes, that looks like SM630 in different colours. The only confusing thing is that they say it has 650cc engine - either typo or they may use Rotax from TR650.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Crossed-up on November 17, 2014, 10:41:13 pm
That looks like the 630 motor.

If the price was reasonable I'd give it a serious look.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: TVB on November 18, 2014, 01:13:17 am
Subscribe  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on November 18, 2014, 05:56:32 am
Wonder if it has a 6 speed box?  ::)  
I would not worry about the 650 nomenclature … Husky and others never did so when optimistic by 20cc or more ! (yeah I have a 610 - really? WTF?)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Great White on December 22, 2014, 02:11:20 pm
One standing on the the floor at Primrose going for R50000.00
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: BiG DoM on December 22, 2014, 02:54:48 pm
One standing on the the floor at Primrose going for R50000.00

630 or 610?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on July 17, 2015, 10:22:07 pm
Rider enters his 630 in a desert race and does not finish last  :deal:

"Raced my TE 630 this weekend in the Corralitos 100 just west of Las Cruces, NM. After months of solo riding in the desert west of my home, I decided it was time to make a delusion of grandeur a reality. Raced the 40+ Novice class which was 2 laps around a 25 mile overland course about 10 miles north of the Mexican border. Although not an ideal desert racer, I figured the 630 was not a totally unreasonable choice given the fact that, with mods, mine is lighter than an XR600 and just as stout. It was, however, likely the heaviest bike at that race. The largest displacement bikes there were a few KTM 525s which were probably 45 lbs lighter. I’d like to think the TE had more power, so maybe the power to weight ratio was about the same. I’m going to keep telling myself that anyway

I ran a new set of D606s and had planned to run a 14 tooth front sprocket but was sold the wrong one by the dealer so ran the stock 15. I spent most of the race shifting between 2nd and 3rd in the technical sections and into 4th for the short fast sections. The only other mod was removal of the license plate/turn signal assembly (see photos below). I left the front turn signals on. I bought the bike with a Ti FMF exhaust system and recently had the “power up” kit installed by the dealer with a little fuel remapping thrown in. Suspension settings were stock with the rear adjusted for proper sag (35mm of total shock travel).

My impression going into the race was that the course would be more open desert with longer, high speed sections where I could stretch out the Husky. I was planning my best Malcolm Smith impression. The course turned out to be much tighter than anticipated so the extra power of the TE was not very usable. The narrow course involved lengthy and curvaceous sections of whoops, many strewn with cobbles and baby-head sized rocks. These sections were separated by short sandy sections that weren’t as whooped out. About the time you squirted up to speed, you had to brake hard to tackle the next technical section – part of the fun. Ideal for a 250.

At mile 4, something was smacking me in the ass. I stopped to discover the Moose Racing tool bag I had strapped to the rear fender had lost one of the straps. Worse, 2 of the 4 bolts that hold the rear fender on were gone. The fender was pivoting on the 2 remaining bolts nearest the seat. I took the remaining strap from the tool bag and extended it around the grab handles which marginally stabilized the fender. I rode a couple more miles to a checkpoint where an EMT gave me some bandage tape to secure the fender to the frame. I took the 15 lb. tool bag off and rode the rest of the race with it jammed in my small-ish CamelBak pack – not ideal. The tape held for the remaining 46 miles, but I had gained a good 10-12 minutes on my overall time dealing with it. I finished 43rd out of 53 starters in the Novice class. Not terrible considering it was my first motorcycle race and I had the fender issue.

There was a serious pucker moment after jetting up to 60mph or so and then carrying that speed unwittingly into a major whoop section. I had so much dust on my goggles that I had lost a lot of depth perception and didn’t see the 3 foot high whoops until I was on them. I think the speed saved me because I jumped the first two and bounced over the tops of the rest and was out the other side just as the rear end started to come around. Another couple humps and I would have been toast. What a blast though!

Will probably do the next race in the series next month. Will have to improve speed and confidence over the whoops. Hoping I can better dial in the suspension to make that a bit easier. I’m open to suggestions from fellow Husky suspension tuners out there. Figure 3-4 foot sandy whoops and a rider+gear at 190 lbs.

Race ready..."



Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Rough Rider on July 18, 2015, 09:59:41 am
Nice
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2015, 03:15:37 pm
More than just a little DNA  ::)
Despite having a very catchy name "Speedy Working Motors" I find the colours a bit peh !
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: blazes on August 18, 2015, 03:52:03 pm
The only Major Problem I had with the 630 is that extra weight on the Overhead Cam etc. Made the bike feel a bit top heavy in that area for me --well that's me
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 19, 2015, 09:44:23 pm
The only Major Problem I had with the 630 is that extra weight on the Overhead Cam etc. Made the bike feel a bit top heavy in that area for me --well that's me
Yep I checked and was surprised to see the 630 weighs about 15kg more than the 610 ! Guess the extra pipe adds a couple of kg's.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: wolf skaap on August 20, 2015, 10:09:58 am
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=131312.0;attach=427297;image)

That is one nice looking bike!
I would not mind having one!
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on August 22, 2015, 06:49:35 pm
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=131312.0;attach=427297;image)

That is one nice looking bike!
I would not mind having one!
PUI ?
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Crossed-up on August 22, 2015, 09:10:53 pm
Incidentally, if you want to read about the SWM, the Cafe Husky thread is particularly informative.

http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/swm-650-the-630-returns.80272/ (http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/swm-650-the-630-returns.80272/)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on March 14, 2016, 04:41:30 pm
There are people already riding the SWM RS650 (TE630 in different clothes) in Europe. Hopefully they will make it here as well - it would be great to had another alternative:

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/swm-650-enduro-day-trip-ride-report.1130158/#post-28930566 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/swm-650-enduro-day-trip-ride-report.1130158/#post-28930566)
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on March 14, 2016, 08:18:54 pm
The SWM and PR7 would make for a tough choice.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Straatkat on March 15, 2016, 05:15:18 pm
The SWM and PR7 would make for a tough choice.

Not really, PR7 all day long! The more I look at it the more I like what I see.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: sidetrack on March 15, 2016, 07:50:54 pm
The SWM and PR7 would make for a tough choice.

Not really, PR7 all day long! The more I look at it the more I like what I see.
But will depend on price, agree the PR7 is almost perfect out the box as an adventure bike.
Title: Re: 630 in SA ?
Post by: Xpat on March 15, 2016, 08:46:06 pm
Depends - long distance adventure bike - AJP. Shorter more technical duty (like few days accross Lesotho off the beaten track - SWM.