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Title: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on August 12, 2013, 12:40:59 pm
Had my LC serviced on Friday , more than R250.00 per liter oil  :o :o :o :o

The oil is Castrol Power race 1 4T  5W40 , you can get the 10W40 from Castrol for R 70.00 / liter.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Skip_ZA on August 12, 2013, 01:28:39 pm
Where did you do the service?

Did they specify only 1 litre was used or Oil replacement?

i Did 500ml to top up oil at dealership as i dont have the oil cap tool yet, was R30.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on August 12, 2013, 05:32:25 pm
They charged me for 4 liters , the firt service cost over R 2000.00 , the oil was more than half of that.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Skip_ZA on August 13, 2013, 08:26:19 am
They charged me for 4 liters , the firt service cost over R 2000.00 , the oil was more than half of that.

That sound rough... Where did you do the service?

I understand using alot of oil to purge the system, but @R250 a liter thats not on!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on August 13, 2013, 08:32:10 am
Mine was also in that region, not checked the invoice yet to see where the costs were.

I had mine serviced at BMW (rimes with Campese) in Pretoria. Felt a bit like a rip-off. I am going to do some homework at the other branches: might not like the sales staff at the Southern Branch but never had issues with service gang or gear.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 13, 2013, 08:32:54 am
Gosh I sell synthetic Ravenol Moto 5W40 for R 72/l. Guess I'll never be rich ::)

Don't know about the pricing of the 5W40 Castrol Power 1 racing since I only sold the 10W50 variety but I believe R250 is a bit on the expensive side. I sold Castrol Power 1 Racing 10W50 for R 130/l
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: jj le roux on August 17, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
I did a oil change on my 800GS and used Motul 4T and that was R349 for 4L
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Bring It On on August 17, 2013, 05:28:15 pm
Had my LC serviced on Friday , more than R250.00 per liter oil  :o :o :o :o

The oil is Castrol Power race 1 4T  5W40 , you can get the 10W40 from Castrol for R 70.00 / liter.

How the HELL can this be justified??? WTF!!! :o
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: fredda on August 18, 2013, 05:30:31 pm
Had my LC serviced on Friday , more than R250.00 per liter oil  :o :o :o :o

The oil is Castrol Power race 1 4T  5W40 , you can get the 10W40 from Castrol for R 70.00 / liter.

How the HELL can this be justified??? WTF!!! :o

There is a reason why the Castrol Power Race 1 4T 5W40 is more expensive. I am not saying that the R250/l that BMW charges is correct, but there is no way that you will get an oil, with the same quality spec for R70/l.

I like to use Motul 7100 full synthetic with single ester technology, and even that is close to R500 for 4 litre. The Motul 300V with double ester technology which will be equal to the Castol mentioned sell in the R700+ range for 4 litres.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Skip_ZA on August 19, 2013, 07:22:15 am
Had my LC serviced on Friday , more than R250.00 per liter oil  :o :o :o :o

The oil is Castrol Power race 1 4T  5W40 , you can get the 10W40 from Castrol for R 70.00 / liter.

How the HELL can this be justified??? WTF!!! :o

There is a reason why the Castrol Power Race 1 4T 5W40 is more expensive. I am not saying that the R250/l that BMW charges is correct, but there is no way that you will get an oil, with the same quality spec for R70/l.

I like to use Motul 7100 full synthetic with single ester technology, and even that is close to R500 for 4 litre. The Motul 300V with double ester technology which will be equal to the Castol mentioned sell in the R700+ range for 4 litres.

Makes alot of sense... You can let them throw crap oil in your bike for R70 or put in the best @ R250...

Maybe they should just ask before throwing it in. But i would pay for the better oil  :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 19, 2013, 09:06:35 am
You can get a JASO MA synthetic SAE5W40 oil for R 72 a litre from a company with no banner ads on every race track in the whole wide world and no fancy TV ads.
Or you can buy Castrol, Motul etc.

Or you can buy a R1200GSLC, shut up and pay R250/l for Castrol
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on August 20, 2013, 04:50:08 pm
You can get a JASO MA synthetic SAE5W40 oil for R 72 a litre from a company with no banner ads on every race track in the whole wide world and no fancy TV ads.
Or you can buy Castrol, Motul etc.

Or you can buy a R1200GSLC, shut up and pay R250/l for Castrol


As ek so na jou posts kyk van die afgelope paar weke , klink jy  vir my na n ou suurgat , wat is fout ?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BennNevis on August 20, 2013, 09:59:47 pm
You can get a JASO MA synthetic SAE5W40 oil for R 72 a litre from a company with no banner ads on every race track in the whole wide world and no fancy TV ads.
Or you can buy Castrol, Motul etc.

Or you can buy a R1200GSLC, shut up and pay R250/l for Castrol


As ek so na jou posts kyk van die afgelope paar weke , klink jy  vir my na n ou suurgat , wat is fout ?


 :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 21, 2013, 10:36:03 am
Castrol SA does not sell Power 1 Racing SAE5W40 in SA - at least not yet.

So BMW specifies an oil which is not available - except from them at a shocking price.

Clever ne ???


I award this the title "Rip off of the year"!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on August 21, 2013, 03:51:49 pm
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/21/garaguta.jpg)

I consider myself ripped a new one. But I am enjoying the bike too much to care.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on August 28, 2013, 10:00:59 am
Just got a call from the dealer , they have a credit for me  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on August 28, 2013, 10:20:26 am
Bazinga!

Now all the BMW naysayers: what say thee?

Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 28, 2013, 12:04:14 pm
thee sayeth:

You still sit with a bike for which you can't buy the specified oil (Castrol Power 1 racing SAE5W40 synth.) except from the BMW agents.

You can't use alternative (and available) products of identical specification since some BMW techno guru says he does not know if it will agree to the BMW's immensely high tech clutch.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Copernicus on August 28, 2013, 02:21:08 pm
So then I guess we will never see a new BMW do the Long Way Round, which, ironically, is the main thing that put them on the map.  Will they find a pint of this high tech stuff somewhere on the Russian Steppe?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on August 28, 2013, 03:35:32 pm
Thee say the truth but thee shall acknowledge the man got good service.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: punisher on August 28, 2013, 09:19:19 pm
Just got a call from the dealer , they have a credit for me  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

whats the 'credit" .. some more "lube" ( Vaseline)    ;D
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Bundu on August 28, 2013, 10:17:09 pm
Thee say the truth but thee shall acknowledge the man got good service.


meaning he was cheated and then refunded?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on August 29, 2013, 06:19:19 am
Yes a money credit , I asked them to keep it for my next service.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 29, 2013, 08:19:49 am
So then I guess we will never see a new BMW do the Long Way Round, which, ironically, is the main thing that put them on the map.  Will they find a pint of this high tech stuff somewhere on the Russian Steppe?

BMW on call will bring it? :peepwall:
Apparently you need a special tool to open the oil filler cap too?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on August 29, 2013, 09:58:11 am
 :laughing4:

Yes well as previously indicated I would rather take my '05 on a RTW than the '13.

Having said that, Touratech did take the LC for a hectic trip in Madagascar without having BMW on call. While testing their own stuff. So I guess a German from Europe had the balls to take a bike that has zero to little factory support and uses Unobtanium oil to places where few of us would apparently dare.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 29, 2013, 10:34:01 am
So then I guess we will never see a new BMW do the Long Way Round, which, ironically, is the main thing that put them on the map.  Will they find a pint of this high tech stuff somewhere on the Russian Steppe?

BMW on call will bring it? :peepwall:
Apparently you need a special tool to open the oil filler cap too?
The tool is supplied, use the plastic screwdriver handle
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on August 29, 2013, 12:53:37 pm
Comes with tools? A step in the right direction!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 10, 2013, 10:48:58 pm
Had my LC serviced on Friday , more than R250.00 per liter oil  :o :o :o :o

The oil is Castrol Power race 1 4T  5W40 , you can get the 10W40 from Castrol for R 70.00 / liter.

Ek het dieselfed fight met die 2 verskillende BMW dealers in die Kaap gehad.  Toe ek my 1000km diens doen, charge hulle my R1088 vir 4L engine oil.  My fout wat ek gemaak het, is dat ek eers na die tyd die ander dealer gebel het vir hulle pryse.  Hulle prys was net so oor die R800 vir die 4L olie.

Ek het 'n complaint by BMW SA ingegee en die dealer wat my overcharge, bel my en se dat die ander een 'n calculation fout gemaak het en kon my nooit soveel vra nie.  MAAR in dieselfde woorde weier hy om my 'n discount/refund te gee vir die overcharge.  Net van daai dag af het ek besluit ek sal hulle nooit weer support nie.   >:(

FOKKEN KLOMP SKELMS.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: HermanH on September 11, 2013, 06:22:31 am
Praat met die dealer voor julle die bike laat diens! Ek weet daar is 'n paar dealers wat die "BMW" version van die Castrol gebruik teen R250-00 'n liter, dan is daar weer ander delares wat die olie deur Castrol self kry, en dit vir baie minder verkoop!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on September 11, 2013, 08:12:32 am
Goeie raad Herman.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 11, 2013, 07:48:37 pm
Praat met die dealer voor julle die bike laat diens! Ek weet daar is 'n paar dealers wat die "BMW" version van die Castrol gebruik teen R250-00 'n liter, dan is daar weer ander delares wat die olie deur Castrol self kry, en dit vir baie minder verkoop!

Herman, ek het vir Castrol gebel in die Kaap en hulle bring nie die 5W40 olie in.  Dis net BMW self. 
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on September 12, 2013, 05:03:35 am
5W40 is vir die koue lande , hier by ons is die 10W40 100%.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: HermanH on September 12, 2013, 06:17:35 am
Praat met die dealer voor julle die bike laat diens! Ek weet daar is 'n paar dealers wat die "BMW" version van die Castrol gebruik teen R250-00 'n liter, dan is daar weer ander delares wat die olie deur Castrol self kry, en dit vir baie minder verkoop!

Herman, ek het vir Castrol gebel in die Kaap en hulle bring nie die 5W40 olie in.  Dis net BMW self. 

Weet nie of hulle dit deur Castrol SA kry of hoe nie, maar hulle het Castrol! Ek sal vanmiddag bietjie meer uitvind! Dalk is dit soos Paul s die 10W40!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 12, 2013, 08:23:23 am
Ek verstaan dat die 5W40 is vir die kouer lande.  Ek's net bang jy gooi die 10W40 in en dan draai BMW om wanneer iets fout gaan en se sorry, jy het verkeerde olie ingegooi en jou engine het nie warranty nie.   :deal:

Wat dan???   :eek7:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 12, 2013, 08:27:02 am
Die dealers in die Kaap vir Castrol is Lube Marketing.  Hulle het my gese dat die Castrol 5W40 nie deur hulle ingebring word nie wat beteken dat BMW 'n ooreenkoms het met Castrol self en hulle alleenlik die olie inbring en verkoop!


Is daar enige iemand daar buite wat 'n mens meer in details kan verduidelik wat die verskil tussen die 5W40 en 10W40 is op die einde van die dag?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: HermanH on September 12, 2013, 09:06:18 am
Die dealers in die Kaap vir Castrol is Lube Marketing.  Hulle het my gese dat die Castrol 5W40 nie deur hulle ingebring word nie wat beteken dat BMW 'n ooreenkoms het met Castrol self en hulle alleenlik die olie inbring en verkoop!


Is daar enige iemand daar buite wat 'n mens meer in details kan verduidelik wat die verskil tussen die 5W40 en 10W40 is op die einde van die dag?

Ek is nou nie 'n expert nie, maar soos ek verstaan het die 5 en 10 natuurlik met die olie se dukte te doen! Waar 'n 5 meer smering gee as die 10 met "cold-startup".
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on September 12, 2013, 09:18:22 am
This must be specific only to the LC as the guys in Stellenbosch put Shell Helix in my Oil Cooled 1200GS
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on September 12, 2013, 09:21:41 am
Herman jy is reg , my bakkie gebruik 0W30 want die pushrods l so te s horisontaal in die V van die engine , as ek ander olie gebruik kan ek die tappets hoor raas.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on September 12, 2013, 09:39:57 am
This must be specific only to the LC as the guys in Stellenbosch put Shell Helix in my Oil Cooled 1200GS

After clutch problems issues with the R 1200GS LC BMW has issued a statement that ONLY Castrol Power 1 Racing in the viscosity grade 5W40 is approved to be used in the R1200GS LC.

If you use any other oil EVEN WITH THE SAME SPECS (synthetic JASO MA SAE5W40, I sell this stuff from Ravenol for R 72 per litre) :o and the bike develops clutch problems issues BMW will not fix it under warranty.

That's not a problem but plain pathetic if you ask me.

BTW I have spoken to a sales rep at Castrol SA and made them aware of the situation. They are currently not selling the Power1 in 5W40 in SA but this might change in the future. Probably more likely than BMW dropping the silly oil recommendation ???
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 12, 2013, 05:53:06 pm
Hier is 'n plek in die Brackenfell wat olie samples ontleed na elke service.  Ek het hulle gekontak en is toe gevra om die tegniese ouens te kontak in Durban.

Durban se woorde was dat die 5W40 en die 10W40 albei sintetiese olie is. (Castrol in die geval)
Die 5W40 is vir Europe en USA omdat hulle klimaat baie kouer is as hier in SA.
Die 10W40 is meer as goed genoeg as 'n replacement en sal niks aan die engine doen nie.

5W40 se vescosity (sorry vir die spelling) is 65
10W40 se vescosity is 90. 

Volgens die company kan niks verkeerd gaan nie want albei is sinteties en is 'n Castrol produk.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on September 12, 2013, 06:55:20 pm
Is this place in Brackenfell going to step up for you if BMW refuses a warrantee claim? And are they willing to put it in writing and is someone there personally going to accept responsibility if the doodoo hits the fan? If so, go ahead. Moer any old oil in.

PS I agree the oil would not damage the bike but why risk a R170,000 machine for R400 worth of oil?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Brodes on September 12, 2013, 07:58:43 pm
I have been following this thread with interest and have decided that in future I will only use Castrol Power Race 1 4T 5W40 in my DR650. It goes like stink and the clutch is as smooth as silk. R250 per litre is a bargain. Angry at myself for not doing it sooner. Don't know what you tight arses are complaining about.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: buzzlightyear on September 12, 2013, 08:11:28 pm
why risk a R170,000 machine for R400 worth of oil?

BMW knows they have you by the short and curlies. Would this happen in Europe and the States?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on September 12, 2013, 09:45:48 pm
I honestly don't know what the fuss is about?shop around, get the best price at the dealer and keep your warrantee. So you pay a wee bit more for this unobtainium oil. The bike is worth it.

What's the fuss about?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: paulb on September 13, 2013, 06:11:40 am
I honestly don't know what the fuss is about?shop around, get the best price at the dealer and keep your warrantee. So you pay a wee bit more for this unobtainium oil. The bike is worth it.

What's the fuss about?

Almal is nie so ryk soos jy nie , daai extra geld kan kos koop vir die kinders.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on September 13, 2013, 08:03:19 am
I honestly don't know what the fuss is about?shop around, get the best price at the dealer and keep your warrantee. So you pay a wee bit more for this unobtainium oil. The bike is worth it.

What's the fuss about?

Almal is nie so ryk soos jy nie , daai extra geld kan kos koop vir die kinders.

Never mind die kinders... Dit kan nog 'n tenk vol petrol maak vir 'n lekker trippie.  Dis mense met te veel geld wat so praat. :pot:   :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on September 13, 2013, 10:40:01 am
Nee bliksem ek het nie te veel geld

Maar ouens regtig: As jy 'n ding koop moet jy tog die ding se lewenskoste kan bekostig?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 28, 2013, 09:10:30 am
My 1200 lc is due vir eerste 1000km service, alhoewel BMW ons by die ballas beet het, verskil ek met hulle "recomendation" olie...

Hier in die Kaap raak dit bitter selde so koud dat ons 5 olie hoef te gebruik, seker net da vr waar die ouens inni sneeu ry.

Ek verstaan ook nie regtig waarom 40 gebruik moet word nie, die LC se ratkas is nou "integrated" en deel die engin olie, ek sou baie gelukkiger gewees het met 50 olie, veral omrede dit ook maar lekker warm kan raak en omdat dit die ratkas heel moontlik gladder en stiller sal maak, miskien beter smering ook gee.

Ek het nog altyd my eie fietse gediens, altyd nuut gekoop en altyd meer gediens as die aanbeveelde diens periodes, en altyd Mutul 5100 in 15w50 gebruik.  Ek het nog nooit  n enkele probleem met n fiets gehad nie. (33 oor 20 jaar)

Ek wonder net, bmw "recommends" castrol, n blote voorstelling, soos renualt Elf olie "recommend", maar nog nooit gebruik het hierin SA nie...

Solank jy by die Jaso vereiste hou, of oorskry kan hulle mos nie jou  waarborg kanseleer nie?


Ek weet net ek's  R2000 armer die einde van die maand...



Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on October 28, 2013, 09:53:50 am
My 1200 lc is due vir eerste 1000km service, alhoewel BMW ons by die ballas beet het, verskil ek met hulle "recomendation" olie...

Hier in die Kaap raak dit bitter selde so koud dat ons 5 olie hoef te gebruik, seker net da vr waar die ouens inni sneeu ry.

Ek verstaan ook nie regtig waarom 40 gebruik moet word nie, die LC se ratkas is nou "integrated" en deel die engin olie, ek sou baie gelukkiger gewees het met 50 olie, veral omrede dit ook maar lekker warm kan raak en omdat dit die ratkas heel moontlik gladder en stiller sal maak, miskien beter smering ook gee.

Ek het nog altyd my eie fietse gediens, altyd nuut gekoop en altyd meer gediens as die aanbeveelde diens periodes, en altyd Mutul 5100 in 15w50 gebruik.  Ek het nog nooit  n enkele probleem met n fiets gehad nie. (33 oor 20 jaar)

Ek wonder net, bmw "recommends" castrol, n blote voorstelling, soos renualt Elf olie "recommend", maar nog nooit gebruik het hierin SA nie...

Solank jy by die Jaso vereiste hou, of oorskry kan hulle mos nie jou  waarborg kanseleer nie?


Ek weet net ek's  R2000 armer die einde van die maand...






Ja weet jy, met BMW is enige iets moontlik....  :deal:
In so 'n geval kan hulle maklik omdraai en se maar jy het nie die Castrol olie gebruik nie so jou warranty nul in void.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: ADVENTURE HUNTER on October 28, 2013, 10:58:24 am
Ja ek dink dis `n helse ripoff, ek het my 2013 gsa vir sy eerste diens gevat en dit was R1100 wat nie te sleg was nie. Laas week vat ek toe my 2011 gsa vir sy 30 000km diens  :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: en kry ek toe `n lekker surprise, kyk wat charge hulle my vir die enjin olie  :confused2:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 28, 2013, 02:38:26 pm
Ongelukkig is dit n nuwe ratkas en "wet" clutch, kan nogsteeds nie dink dat dit grootliks kan verskil van ander fietse nie.  Plate en kurk en springe in ń mandjie, wat in olie l/spin/werk...
Dis nie te min ń nuwe ontwerp vir Bmw en ons hoop maar hulle het dit reg gedoen, die eerste keer.  Vir hierdie rede alleenlik sal ek maar o toeknyp en laat diens...

Maar dis dieselfde tipe frustreerend gevoel wat jy kry as jy jou belasting betaal..

Wonder ook wat beter is, vaseline of KY... LOL



Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 28, 2013, 07:30:15 pm
Maybe something wrong with me but before buying a newly released model with unproven technology, I confirmed the cost and intervals of servicing the bike for the first five years based on my estimation of the mileage I will clock up.

The cost of the 1000km service was also part of my price negotiation with BMW and not a surprise at all.

I agree with a previous comment that the evaluation of a new vehicle, regardless of intended use for business or pleasure, should include a complete evaluation of all maintenance and insurance costs. Maintenance cost should include cost and availability of tyres, lubrication and related items.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 28, 2013, 10:09:04 pm
Maby nothings wrong with you... It really is a good idea to get an idea of your service cost over the period you forsee yourself owning a vehicle, i made that mistake when i bought a Renualt Megane diesel in 2003...  never again...

I'ts also wise not to buy a new model immediately, but to wait 2 years for the public to complete the R & D they sometimes rush as manufacturers. Hopefully they will have the balls to admit that there might be an problem and recall/refit any weak or ill designed part for free.

Someone told me the new gs will come with a steering damper, if that's true, would they possibly offer and fit steering dampers to everybody's gs's? (LC)

The real issue here in the oil saga is not actually the service cost, but just the cost of the oil in question.  Labour or workshop rates per hour is fine, but R250 for a litre is good going for whiskey, but not so good for oil. Lol



Title: BMW engin oil
Post by: AntVan on October 28, 2013, 10:29:44 pm
It really is a good idea to get an idea of your service cost over the period you forsee yourself owning a vehicle,

Amen brother

Someone told me the new gs will come with a steering damper, if that's true, would they possibly offer and fit steering dampers to everybody's gs's? (LC)

New models on the floor has it already. There is no way they will retrofit damper, there is also NO need to fit it on my 2013 IMHO


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Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BikerJan on October 29, 2013, 05:57:35 am
How can you buy a bike which cost in excess of R170 K, and if fitted out like mine, probably more than R 200 k, and then moan that the oil cost is R 1000.00 every 10 000km's?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 29, 2013, 11:56:26 am
Like i stated, in my post, i've got absolutely no problem with the service cost ( the work carried out), i do however have a fundemental issue with being ripped off for oil, irrespective if my steed was R1000 or R200000...
Especially after i tried obtaining the oil from Castrol SA, who were very helpfull and channeld me to Lube Marketing here in CT.

The lady gave me the cost of the oil, wich is R100 per L cheaper.

Hopefully she will call me soon so i can pick up my oil and supply it with the bike for the service, then i can stop bitching and the world will become a better place once more...

Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on October 29, 2013, 12:37:39 pm
How can you buy a bike which cost in excess of R170 K, and if fitted out like mine, probably more than R 200 k, and then moan that the oil cost is R 1000.00 every 10 000km's?

It's not about the price of the oil it's about the fact that BMW specifies ONE BRAND of oil to be used for which they currently seem to have the supply monopoly in SA. ???

They sell for R250 per litre.
The product can be had for around R 105 per litre retail overseas: http://www.ebay.de/bhp/castrol-power-1-racing-5w40 (http://www.ebay.de/bhp/castrol-power-1-racing-5w40)
I sell a product which fulfils the same specifications: Ravenol Motobike Synthetic SAE5W40 JASO MA) for R 72/l
I also sell Castrol Power 1 Racing 10W50 for R 130 per litre

And please don't accuse me of spreading hearsay again: I have spoken to Castrol SA, they have confirmed they currently do not supply Power 1 Racing in 5W40 viscosity in SA.

I would not moan if the bike costs R170k and you have to put a value of R1000 in at an oil change.
But they put R 400 worth of oil and an obscene mark up into your bike.

Please note: I do not know where this price of R 250 per litre is made, if it's the dealers, the importer, both or a third party running this rip off scheme.
I also don't know if the price of R 250 per litre is genuine since I read it somewhere on the internet ::)
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 29, 2013, 01:18:36 pm
lecap I agree wholeheartedly and the below reponse is not aimed at you.

Regarding the price of oil, as the Eagles sang "Get over it!" I am suggesting that each potential owner does his research prior to commiting to the purchase of his/her bike and then decide to either re-negotiate an alternative price or purchase an alternative bike. I hate complaining.

Alternatively, do something about it or keep quite about it. No amount of debate on this forum will change the price of the oil since all the riders are still paying for it when they service their bikes and then only complaining after the fact. The price remains unchanged.

I do not like the price of the oil either, I considered alternatives and there was none. I still wanted the bike and bought it. I am not complaining about the price since I knew what was coming and in the bigger scheme of things not worth the time and effort.

However, steering dampers is a completely seperate issue  :pot:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 29, 2013, 02:17:48 pm
Shoe! Fellows, rustig, kalmeer en ontspan. :3some:

This is an forum (probably the best one), this is where like minded people come for advice or share experiences, good or bad...

Some off us like to vent a little as well, throw the proverbial toy from time to time...

In the oil saga, i suppose most of us (well, me anyway) find comfort from other posters, maby even some empathy, for being in the same boat... Not every single post need to be seriously debated, and a bit of light hearted humor really goes a long way.

I suppose most of us ( well, me at least) after posting, look forward to replies that offer a solution or at least an viable alternative to whatever caused you headace or heartace in the first place... Lol.

So yes, all of us are going to pay for our oil, what the dealers consider it's worth, nothing we can do about it, but now, being human, i suppose i feel better about it, since i now know that i did inquire and was unsuccessful in my search for any recomended alternative.

What i really really wanted to hear, is Wilddog member xyz, telling me that he brought in 500 liters of Castrol Power 1 Racing, 5w40, and sells it in 4 liter containers for R400...

Well maby next time... Lol



Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 29, 2013, 02:31:27 pm
Now that is both a solution and a nice challenge for our forum vendors! Who's bringing the oil at competitive prices so loyal dogs can be anointed?


PS:  :) - just so we all know not to take it too serious  ;)
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Crankshaft on October 29, 2013, 03:49:44 pm
Shoe! Fellows, rustig, kalmeer en ontspan. :3some:

This is an forum (probably the best one), this is where like minded people come for advice or share experiences, good or bad...

Some off us like to vent a little as well, throw the proverbial toy from time to time...

In the oil saga, i suppose most of us (well, me anyway) find comfort from other posters, maby even some empathy, for being in the same boat... Not every single post need to be seriously debated, and a bit of light hearted humor really goes a long way.

I suppose most of us ( well, me at least) after posting, look forward to replies that offer a solution or at least an viable alternative to whatever caused you headace or heartace in the first place... Lol.

So yes, all of us are going to pay for our oil, what the dealers consider it's worth, nothing we can do about it, but now, being human, i suppose i feel better about it, since i now know that i did inquire and was unsuccessful in my search for any recomended alternative.

What i really really wanted to hear, is Wilddog member xyz, telling me that he brought in 500 liters of Castrol Power 1 Racing, 5w40, and sells it in 4 liter containers for R400...

Well maby next time... Lol





Manne, manne, manne, julle baklei verniet.  Ek het hierdie selfde probleem in Junie op die forum gehad en die ouens het my uitgehaal omdat ek gekla het oor die olie se prys wat 'n rip off is.  Daar was manne ook gewees wat gese het as jy 'n LC wil koop moet jy die kostes en maintenance kan betaal.  Maar soos ek oop probeer se het, dit gaan nie oor die diens of workmanship nie, dit gaan oor die feit dat BMW SA hulle klient 'n groot wortel gee en se hulle moet maar betaal.

Die beste van alles is, my quotes (verbal ongelukkig) wat ek gekry het, was goedkoper as wat die invoice was EN DONFORD se service pryse was duurder as AUTO ATLANTIC... Hoe verstaan jy dit.  Ek het selfs so ver gegaan om 'n klagte in te dien by BMW SA en Donford het my gekontak om te se dat hulle kan onder geen omstandighede sien hoe Auto Atlantic 'n goedkoper quote kan gee as hulle sin nie.  En weereens, geen probleem om vir 'n diens te betaal nie, dit net daai fokken mal prys van die olie...

Ek het ook vir Lube Marketing gebel.  Hulle het ook aan my bevestig dat dit net BMW is wat die 5W40 inbring direct van Castrol oorsee.

Hierdie is vrae wat 'n ou gaan moet vra vir hulle die 10de November wanneer hulle die LC dag het by Donford. 
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Foxhond on October 29, 2013, 05:35:22 pm
Ja Crankshaft...

Om dit makliker te maak, kom ons vegeet van wat dit kos en die prys van olie:

Eintlik al wat ek wil/wou weet: Ek is ń "die hard" Motul fan, en glo dis die hond se ballas as dit by olie kom... Lol.
Wat presies verstaan julle meer tegniese honde onder "recomends" soos duidelik in die handleiding gedruk?
Beteken dit dat dit bloot ń voorstel is, of dat dit bmw se eerste keuse is, of dat dit absoluut die enigste olie is wat jy mag gebruik?  Onthou ek verwys net na die naam Castrol, nie die nr's en dinge nie.

Alle ander fietse wat ek al gehad het, het net vereis dat jy n olie gebruik wat aan n sekere spesifikasie  voldoen, ń JASO en of AP gradering.

Ek kan verstaan dat bmw miskien net hierdie olie in die fabriek insit en dus aanbeveel indien die fietse hier kom en aangevul moet raak, dat handelaars nie verskillende olies meng nie?

Miskien kan ń BMW tegnikus dalk hiermee help...

Ek het al vrae gevra maar kon nie ń konkrete antwoord by die handelaar kry nie?
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 29, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Ons gooi daai vraag in die hoed alvorens 'n klein apie iets verskrikliks aanvang  :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on October 30, 2013, 10:12:55 am
Now that is both a solution and a nice challenge for our forum vendors! Who's bringing the oil at competitive prices so loyal dogs can be anointed?


PS:  :) - just so we all know not to take it too serious  ;)

I strongly recommended to Castrol SA to add the 5W40 Power 1 Racing to their program.
Maybe some of you phone them and do the same.
Especially since the day will come when you want to service your bike yourself and maybe you don't want to buy some riffraff oil from a shit stirrer like me :lol8:

Unfortunately the market still shows reluctance towards the newer lower viscosity oil types and plenty of people still believe they must use some 20W50 bitumen in their engines just because we live in Africa and it's pretty warm outside ::)
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: COLES on November 09, 2013, 04:03:40 pm

On the 5th Oct my LC was serviced and i have just noticed that i have been charged R1088.60 for four units of oil (POWER 1RACIN ) atR272.15 per unit without vat

I will most defiantly call the P E dealer on Monday 
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BennNevis on November 09, 2013, 11:22:08 pm
Price of oil is discussed on uk gser and there the pay
17/litre
I read on the bottle that is was jointly developed by BMW and Castrol
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 09, 2014, 10:16:08 am
The wife's LC just received the 1000km service.  Total bill was R1200.  Oil about R400.  ???
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 09, 2014, 10:20:17 am
That's really good news, I am creeping up in the 10k service.  :(

Not sure what changed though, all relevant indicators dictate an increase.

Maybe BMW just dropped the margin  >:D
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BennNevis on January 11, 2014, 09:04:14 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 12, 2014, 07:59:58 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

Good to know,  thanks.  Will check.  If this is the case in my wife's bike,  it basically goes to a life long warranty on the engine.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on January 13, 2014, 08:43:38 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 13, 2014, 08:46:28 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BikerJan on January 13, 2014, 09:02:02 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 13, 2014, 09:02:41 am
I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 13, 2014, 10:08:16 am

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 13, 2014, 10:24:13 am
AMZ, as I suggested earlier, maybe the oil viscosity is unchanged and the price reduced :-)
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 13, 2014, 10:52:19 am
AMZ, as I suggested earlier, maybe the oil viscosity is unchanged and the price reduced :-)

Jip.  Possible.  Will drop by the dealer sometime this week and report back.  If it is good news, I will whisper so as not to get into trouble with the Anti-BMW Choir Master.   :ricky:
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Bundu on January 13, 2014, 01:02:03 pm

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

10W should be fine for warmer climates

for the KTM 1190, it's 5W below 0degree and 10W above
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 13, 2014, 07:14:28 pm

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

10W should be fine for warmer climates

for the KTM 1190, it's 5W below 0degree and 10W above

Ja.  It is how I understand it as well.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: BennNevis on January 13, 2014, 10:12:30 pm

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

This one guy making a statement is as
Follows:
Owner's manual recommends 5W 40 Castrol Power 1 Racing
On my trip up to GP in December I stopped at SOVEREIGN BMW Bloemfontein who sells
Castrol Power 1 Racing 10W40 which they use in the K50 Gs's
So as I was on 5 W40 I declined.
Next stop was Bavarian Bmw Centurion who sells and used also the 10W40
Finally got Castrol Power1 Racing at R179/liter at Auto Alpina, Boksburg
 
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on January 14, 2014, 09:30:14 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.

There was some info floating around where a BMW (factory) official stated that they can only approve the Castrol Power 1 racing 5W40 for use and this is the only oil which they guarantee not to cause any issues with the clutch. I think this was even linked early in this thread ???

The trend to lower viscosity engine oils is a general trend.
There is a number of good reasons to use lower viscosity oils:

A lower viscosity oil reduces cold start wear. Since it's thinner it will not be forced through the oil filter bypass for as long as a higher viscosity oil.
A lower viscosity oil causes less friction and thereby reduces fuel consumption. This might be marginal over a tank of fuel but it is noticeable over the lifetime of a vehicle or on the scope of fleet consumption.
Lower viscosity oil will make the plates in a wet clutch stick less and allow for quieter & smoother gear changes.
Low viscosity engine oils are readily available and good value for money - if purchased from the right supplier.
The claim that an engine will use more oil if you use a lower viscosity oil is a myth. Oil consumption is dependent on the amount of volatiles in the oil and on the design of the engine and in particular the crank case breather. If you can reduce oil consumption by using "thicker" oil you should rather get your engine reconditioned ::)

You can without any restrictions use an oil with a wider viscosity rating than what the manufacturer recommends (i.e. you can use 5W50, 10W50 or 5W40 if the manufacturer specifies 10W40) since a 10W50 oil will also fulfil the requirements for a 10W40. For obvious reasons you should not do the opposite.

At the end of the day the 5W oil IS lots better for your engine than the 10W. It does actually not make that much of a difference how cold your engine is when you turn the key and fire it up. The important point is it is COLD compared to the temperature where it performs best.

On the other end of the spectrum it makes very little difference if you use a 40 or 50 since the performance of both oils differs only marginally at the oil temperature in your engine. Please note there is a difference if you talk about your bike or your turbocharged diesel bakkie :D
Using different hot viscosity engine oils in summer and winter is utter rubbish since engine & oil temperature vary little with variations in ambient temperature.

Last but not least I think Castrol Power 1 Racing comes either as a 5W40 and 10W50. Castrol ActEvo 4T comes as 10W40.

And did I mention that I sell engine oil as per  BMW spec for the K50 SAE 5W40 API SM & JASO MA2 compliant & fully synthetic for R 72 per litre? Not Castrol though but Ravenol.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 14, 2014, 09:48:22 am
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.

There was some info floating around where a BMW (factory) official stated that they can only approve the Castrol Power 1 racing 5W40 for use and this is the only oil which they guarantee not to cause any issues with the clutch. I think this was even linked early in this thread ???

The trend to lower viscosity engine oils is a general trend.
There is a number of good reasons to use lower viscosity oils:

A lower viscosity oil reduces cold start wear. Since it's thinner it will not be forced through the oil filter bypass for as long as a higher viscosity oil.
A lower viscosity oil causes less friction and thereby reduces fuel consumption. This might be marginal over a tank of fuel but it is noticeable over the lifetime of a vehicle or on the scope of fleet consumption.
Lower viscosity oil will make the plates in a wet clutch stick less and allow for quieter & smoother gear changes.
Low viscosity engine oils are readily available and good value for money - if purchased from the right supplier.
The claim that an engine will use more oil if you use a lower viscosity oil is a myth. Oil consumption is dependent on the amount of volatiles in the oil and on the design of the engine and in particular the crank case breather. If you can reduce oil consumption by using "thicker" oil you should rather get your engine reconditioned ::)

You can without any restrictions use an oil with a wider viscosity rating than what the manufacturer recommends (i.e. you can use 5W50, 10W50 or 5W40 if the manufacturer specifies 10W40) since a 10W50 oil will also fulfil the requirements for a 10W40. For obvious reasons you should not do the opposite.

At the end of the day the 5W oil IS lots better for your engine than the 10W. It does actually not make that much of a difference how cold your engine is when you turn the key and fire it up. The important point is it is COLD compared to the temperature where it performs best.

On the other end of the spectrum it makes very little difference if you use a 40 or 50 since the performance of both oils differs only marginally at the oil temperature in your engine. Please note there is a difference if you talk about your bike or your turbocharged diesel bakkie :D
Using different hot viscosity engine oils in summer and winter is utter rubbish since engine & oil temperature vary little with variations in ambient temperature.

Last but not least I think Castrol Power 1 Racing comes either as a 5W40 and 10W50. Castrol ActEvo 4T comes as 10W40.

And did I mention that I sell engine oil as per  BMW spec for the K50 SAE 5W40 API SM & JASO MA2 compliant & fully synthetic for R 72 per litre? Not Castrol though but Ravenol.


Thanks.  Excellent description which even someone who thinks he knows it all can understand.  :ricky:

You last sentence is the interesting one.  What is important, imho, is the blue text.  The underlined text is unimportant (excluding obvious weak quality). 

Just another question please.  The improvement 5W versus 10W.  Would that be very real, or would it be more a theoretical advantage over the life of an engine.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: TheBear on January 14, 2014, 09:51:16 am


This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking?  

This one guy making a statement is as
Follows:
Owner's manual recommends 5W 40 Castrol Power 1 Racing
On my trip up to GP in December I stopped at SOVEREIGN BMW Bloemfontein who sells
Castrol Power 1 Racing 10W40 which they use in the K50 Gs's
So as I was on 5 W40 I declined.
Next stop was Bavarian Bmw Centurion who sells and used also the 10W40
Finally got Castrol Power1 Racing at R179/liter at Auto Alpina, Boksburg
 

It was not aimed at you as a person, but the fact remains, that you looked for oil and saw two dealers selling a specific oil.  This does not mean that BMW SA approved that oil for use in a K50 and that was the direction the discussion was going.  It shows how easily, something said on a forum, can become "fact" in a few days.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: lecap on January 15, 2014, 10:13:58 am
...Just another question please.  The improvement 5W versus 10W.  Would that be very real, or would it be more a theoretical advantage over the life of an engine.

This is debatable. You can claim that it does not really matter if your oil circulates unfiltered on cold start - or if it circulates unfiltered for longer when using a higher viscosity oil - since the manufacturer has fitted an oil filter with a bypass valve to allow for that.

On the other hand you can say the oil filter bypass is there because it has to be there in case someone pours some 20W50 goo into the engine and starts it at -10C (Without the bypass you would have very little oil getting to where it's needed until the engine warms up).

I would not dare to claim that your engine will last longer if you use a 5W40 oil instead of a 10W40 and it would in any case be rather difficult to prove this.
What I can guarantee you on the other side is that using 5W40 instead of 10W40 will not shorten the service life of the engine.
What I can also guarantee is that the vast majority of wear in an engine occurs during cold start. Any means of reducing cold start wear will most likely give you an extended service life.

Add to this that I can buy Ravenol Motobike Ester 5W40 fully synthetic JASO MA compliant oil at pretty much the same price as I can buy semi synthetic Castrol ActEvo 4t 10W40 (also JASO MA) - and therefore sell it at the same price.
Both Castrol as well as Ravenol look back onto many decades of experience in the industry and both run their own labs and blend their products themselves.
A no brainer IMHO

Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 15, 2014, 10:28:11 am
...Just another question please.  The improvement 5W versus 10W.  Would that be very real, or would it be more a theoretical advantage over the life of an engine.

This is debatable. You can claim that it does not really matter if your oil circulates unfiltered on cold start - or if it circulates unfiltered for longer when using a higher viscosity oil - since the manufacturer has fitted an oil filter with a bypass valve to allow for that.

On the other hand you can say the oil filter bypass is there because it has to be there in case someone pours some 20W50 goo into the engine and starts it at -10C (Without the bypass you would have very little oil getting to where it's needed until the engine warms up).

I would not dare to claim that your engine will last longer if you use a 5W40 oil instead of a 10W40 and it would in any case be rather difficult to prove this.
What I can guarantee you on the other side is that using 5W40 instead of 10W40 will not shorten the service life of the engine.
What I can also guarantee is that the vast majority of wear in an engine occurs during cold start. Any means of reducing cold start wear will most likely give you an extended service life.

Add to this that I can buy Ravenol Motobike Ester 5W40 fully synthetic JASO MA compliant oil at pretty much the same price as I can buy semi synthetic Castrol ActEvo 4t 10W40 (also JASO MA) - and therefore sell it at the same price.
Both Castrol as well as Ravenol look back onto many decades of experience in the industry and both run their own labs and blend their products themselves.
A no brainer IMHO



Interesting and informative, thx. The only reason I do not consider the change at present is warranty. As long as BMW is responsible to replace what stops working I will stay with the recommended. Up to now they have not shied away from that responsibility yet.

Still do not like the price though!
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Askook on January 23, 2014, 05:07:59 pm
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???
Using different hot viscosity engine oils in summer and winter is utter rubbish since engine & oil temperature vary little with variations in ambient temperature.

Ek het nog altyd n 15w-40 n die sommer gebruik en in die winter n 10w-40, want ek het gedink dis beter vir die fiets.
So ek kon n 5w- 40 in gegooi het en heel jaar ry.
So leer n mens.
Title: Re: BMW engin oil
Post by: Camel on March 10, 2014, 03:31:04 pm
from lecap: And did I mention that I sell engine oil as per  BMW spec for the K50 SAE 5W40 API SM & JASO MA2 compliant & fully synthetic for R 72 per litre? Not Castrol though but Ravenol.

Very nice explanation lecap, will these oil affect the warranty ie using Ravenol instead of Castrol?