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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: francois.viljoen on August 20, 2013, 11:10:00 pm

Title: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: francois.viljoen on August 20, 2013, 11:10:00 pm
It's baffled me ever since I first saw it. I can't see the usefulness it just looks ugly.

So please enlighten me.

Why do so many adventure bikers fit yellow or orange filters over their headlamps?
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: MDT on August 20, 2013, 11:12:10 pm
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: BrandsiekBrak on August 20, 2013, 11:14:27 pm
Makes the light stand out during the day by making it different to others around you

just causes other road users to look twice and thus spot you bike easier, thus making the road a bit safer for yourself on the bike

or at least that is the theory
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Yami Super 10 on August 21, 2013, 01:20:07 am
FV and MDT, it seems that you havent been around the block to long?

Lycan is quite right on saying that it make the bike much more visible to other road users.
During day driving, even with your headlight on, the light blends in.

You wanna be much more visible to oncoming vehicles. Thus the orange covers. More visible to others, the more you stay safer, the longer you live to tell your kids bed time stories.
Or now these days, LED spots seem to add more attention.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 21, 2013, 03:52:25 am
FV and MDT, it seems that you havent been around the block to long?

Lycan is quite right on saying that it make the bike much more visible to other road users.
During day driving, even with your headlight on, the light blends in.

You wanna be much more visible to oncoming vehicles. Thus the orange covers. More visible to others, the more you stay safer, the longer you live to tell your kids bed time stories.
Or now these days, LED spots seem to add more attention.


Yami has summed it up very nicely
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: White Rhino on August 21, 2013, 05:33:22 am
Some  might insist that orange is the best biking colour :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Ernst Jr on August 21, 2013, 06:21:20 am
When you go on gravel, one of the rules is to look out for the rider behind you. with the dust around the yellow light is more visible through the dust.

Why y/o head lamps? To be visible whether on- or off-road.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: SGB on August 21, 2013, 06:38:10 am
Off-road racing cars have yellow lights facing backwards.  And that is the first thing you see when approaching from the rear.  Same with a misty mountain pass.  Yellow lights approaching are seen way before anything else. Go ride, and look around.  You will soon be convinced.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: katana on August 21, 2013, 06:45:56 am
Makes the light stand out during the day by making it different to others around you

just causes other road users to look twice and thus spot you bike easier, thus making the road a bit safer for yourself on the bike

or at least that is the theory

I commute by car and although I am bike aware, I sometimes get surprised by bikes without the covers.  Never with a orange cover 2c
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: whitedelight on August 21, 2013, 06:59:33 am
 The only bikers I do not see in my rear view mirror are those without covers over their headlamps. You can see a bike for miles in the early morning coming from behind,the orange/yellow stands out way better.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: N[]vA on August 21, 2013, 07:18:52 am
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust
bawahahahah!
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: nelf13 on August 21, 2013, 07:26:08 am
FV and MDT, it seems that you havent been around the block to long?

Lycan is quite right on saying that it make the bike much more visible to other road users.
During day driving, even with your headlight on, the light blends in.

You wanna be much more visible to oncoming vehicles. Thus the orange covers. More visible to others, the more you stay safer, the longer you live to tell your kids bed time stories.
Or now these days, LED spots seem to add more attention.


+1
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: SOPWITH on August 21, 2013, 07:29:31 am
Because we can...... :imaposer: :eek7: :patch:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: BFG on August 21, 2013, 07:35:55 am
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust
:spitcoffee: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2013, 07:38:20 am
If it makes bikes more visible, why does it seem like more bikes are being not seen than ever before? Check the amount of bike mishaps lately?!
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: ETS on August 21, 2013, 07:45:49 am
Some  might insist that orange is the best biking colour :peepwall:


Yesssss!!!!!!!!! :peepwall: :laughing4: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Hamilton on August 21, 2013, 07:58:25 am
It stands to reason that if you have an orange cover, it must go on the headlight. Where else would you put it?  :pot:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: MDT on August 21, 2013, 07:59:07 am
FV and MDT, it seems that you havent been around the block to long?

Lycan is quite right on saying that it make the bike much more visible to other road users.
During day driving, even with your headlight on, the light blends in.

You wanna be much more visible to oncoming vehicles. Thus the orange covers. More visible to others, the more you stay safer, the longer you live to tell your kids bed time stories.
Or now these days, LED spots seem to add more attention.


I live on a farm so we dont have blocks

 The orange cover on my KTM is to make it look more orange. I think a blue cover would look nice with your ST and then you can do some VIP transport in your free time
 Blue light brigade
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2013, 08:15:19 am
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust


And the moon dust goes into the car driver's eyes, and he cannot see the biker?
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: chris g on August 21, 2013, 08:23:18 am
If it makes bikes more visible, why does it seem like more bikes are being not seen than ever before? Check the amount of bike mishaps lately?!
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I think a lot of the mishaps can't be blamed entirely on the cagers, the way i see some bikers riding through traffic in the mornings i'm  supprised there isn't more mishaps on the roads
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: francois.viljoen on August 21, 2013, 08:29:13 am
Some  might insist that orange is the best biking colour :peepwall:

Nou maak dit sin ja :)
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Grumpleton on August 21, 2013, 08:51:28 am
Yellow best for off Road   Bike in front has yellow bike at back has orange. And for the smart Alic`s now pics of bike in same place well nearly. :P
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Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: francois.viljoen on August 21, 2013, 10:22:41 am
Yellow best for off Road   Bike in front has yellow bike at back has orange.

You sure this has nothing to do with the bike at the back being twice as far away from the camera as the bike in front?
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Karel Kat on August 21, 2013, 10:31:31 am
Amber/yellow much more visible in the dust. Really. Not sure if it makes such a big difference in clear conditions on tar.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Eddy81 on August 21, 2013, 10:34:19 am
I have always had people that I ride with comment on how much more visible I am! If we ride far apart they can see the orange light instead of the other guys and their normal lights.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Kelevra on August 21, 2013, 12:01:11 pm
All of the above, and they might just save your lens in case of a bit of roost!
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: francois.viljoen on August 21, 2013, 01:00:37 pm
sweet. thanks for clearing it up.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: J3THRO on August 21, 2013, 01:15:32 pm
The moment I ut the orange cover on the bike I immediately noticed people see me right away and move over aspecially in nice clear weather on the tar because thats when all the cagers sit and stare at everything except their mirrors. Many others have told me that they see me comming a mile away already. It was that or a high vis vest...
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: jaybiker on August 21, 2013, 01:43:15 pm
There are always going to be annoying smartasses who latch on to the latest idea or philosophy because if it's the latest, it must be the greatest. Right?
And there will always be daft old buggers like me who maintain that what was great in our own paticular time warp is still unsurpassable today. That's the way it is and always will be. Todays technophiles will be tomorrows technophobes!
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: bronzy on August 21, 2013, 02:08:43 pm
The moment I ut the orange cover on the bike I immediately noticed people see me right away and move over aspecially in nice clear weather on the tar because thats when all the cagers sit and stare at everything except their mirrors. Many others have told me that they see me comming a mile away already. It was that or a high vis vest...
agree +100000000 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 21, 2013, 04:05:10 pm
I am going shopping for the orange cover.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Yami Super 10 on August 21, 2013, 04:07:31 pm
I am going shopping for the orange cover.

If you cant get, let me know?
Will be back in CPT tomorrow. Sitting at Lagos Airport waiting for the 10pm flight back home.
Can arrange to send you one :thumleft:
Most prob after the weekend as there is a few things lined up :ricky:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 21, 2013, 04:09:54 pm
I am going shopping for the orange cover.

If you cant get, let me know?
Will be back in CPT tomorrow. Sitting at Lagos Airport waiting for the 10pm flight back home.
Can arrange to send you one :thumleft:
Most prob after the weekend as there is a few things lined up :ricky:

You are very kind mate.  I will let you know by the Weekend.   :thumleft:  enjoy Capetown.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: KaTooMatt on August 21, 2013, 04:10:51 pm
There are always going to be annoying smartasses who latch on to the latest idea or philosophy because if it's the latest, it must be the greatest. Right?
And there will always be daft old buggers like me who maintain that what was great in our own paticular time warp is still unsurpassable today. That's the way it is and always will be. Todays technophiles will be tomorrows technophobes!

I don't hear your noisy indicator beepers - or is that a safety device before your time?? :pot:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Yami Super 10 on August 21, 2013, 04:12:36 pm
I am going shopping for the orange cover.

If you cant get, let me know?
Will be back in CPT tomorrow. Sitting at Lagos Airport waiting for the 10pm flight back home.
Can arrange to send you one :thumleft:
Most prob after the weekend as there is a few things lined up :ricky:

You are very kind mate.  I will let you know by the Weekend.   :thumleft:  enjoy Capetown.

Will do :thumleft:
That also depends on what Buff has in mind for the weekend :patch: Seems as if he is forcing me to get on the WR and show them how its done :ricky:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: jaybiker on August 21, 2013, 04:50:00 pm
There are always going to be annoying smartasses who latch on to the latest idea or philosophy because if it's the latest, it must be the greatest. Right?
And there will always be daft old buggers like me who maintain that what was great in our own paticular time warp is still unsurpassable today. That's the way it is and always will be. Todays technophiles will be tomorrows technophobes!

I don't hear your noisy indicator beepers - or is that a safety device before your time?? :pot:

Before my time indeed. I remember passing on a box of junk that I had aquired to a mate. When he found a couple of sets of new indicators in it, he called me a bastard! In those days we didn't agree with festooning a bike with yellow lights like a bloody Christmas tree!

Oh, and when I took my car drivers test, I had to wave my arms around out of the window. Using indicators was not allowed.

But I'm not old, and I'll moer the bastard who says I am!
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Yami Super 10 on August 21, 2013, 04:53:13 pm
There are always going to be annoying smartasses who latch on to the latest idea or philosophy because if it's the latest, it must be the greatest. Right?
And there will always be daft old buggers like me who maintain that what was great in our own paticular time warp is still unsurpassable today. That's the way it is and always will be. Todays technophiles will be tomorrows technophobes!

I don't hear your noisy indicator beepers - or is that a safety device before your time?? :pot:

Before my time indeed. I remember passing on a box of junk that I had aquired to a mate. When he found a couple of sets of new indicators in it, he called me a bastard! In those days we didn't agree with festooning a bike with yellow lights like a bloody Christmas tree!

Oh, and when I took my car drivers test, I had to wave my arms around out of the window. Using indicators was not allowed.

But I'm not old, and I'll moer the bastard who says I am!

Sorry OOM, sal nie se OOM is oud nie :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 21, 2013, 04:54:24 pm
We sell a lot of these orange lenses.
What I like about it is that I can see my wife very clearly in my mirror even if she
is riding far behind me.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Martin-DR650 on August 21, 2013, 09:57:59 pm
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Love it! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 22, 2013, 03:45:07 am
But to what extent are they legal?
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: KaTooMatt on August 22, 2013, 10:03:14 am
The law says you may have yellow or amber headlight. By definition the traffic light orange is amber so I use one.

Some claim you may not put something in front of your lens that would diffuse the light. I have looked but can't find this supposed law. Also if it did exist all those stone chip protectors would also be illegal
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2013, 10:08:10 am
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust

Sounds like nonsense to me.  I was told it is to reflect sunlight away from the Canbus Flux Generator, making it last longer and thereby avoiding having to stop to reset the Canbus Flux Generator constantly.

But to what extent are they legal?

Law states that forward facing lights can be white, yellow or amber as long as lights in the same class are the same colour.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Kaboef on August 22, 2013, 12:41:34 pm
FV and MDT, it seems that you havent been around the block to long?



It seems as if your funny comment-o-meter is broken.

Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 22, 2013, 12:46:17 pm
it makes the sun reflect at a 32 degree angle to the earth in order for the fairies to produce moon dust

Sounds like nonsense to me.  I was told it is to reflect sunlight away from the Canbus Flux Generator, making it last longer and thereby avoiding having to stop to reset the Canbus Flux Generator constantly.

But to what extent are they legal?

Law states that forward facing lights can be white, yellow or amber as long as lights in the same class are the same colour.

I need some interpretation here. What does it mean " white, yellow or amber as  long as lights int he same class are the same colour?" :sip:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: KaTooMatt on August 22, 2013, 12:57:23 pm
If you have a triumph with side by side headlights. You must cover both and not just one. They are both headlights. That is a class. In terms of forward facing lights possible classes are indicators, headlights. high beam, low beam (if they're separate), fog lights, spot lights and/or driving lights.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: RobC on August 22, 2013, 01:08:24 pm
But to what extent are they legal?
From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: KaTooMatt on August 22, 2013, 01:25:44 pm
Rob what does it say. What is the regulation number I have down loaded the whole act while checking. But I have not found ghe one people refer to.

I take my Orange covers off at night anyway as then I want to see as much as be seen, In the day there is more than enough light and I want to stand out.

Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2013, 01:35:25 pm



I need some interpretation here. What does it mean " white, yellow or amber as  long as lights int he same class are the same colour?" :sip:

Both flickers, same colour.  Both driving lights, same colour.  Both spot, or fog lights. same colour.






But to what extent are they legal?
From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night.

You must have miss-Googled!   :ricky:

National Road Traffic Act, 1996 (Act No. 93 of 1996)
National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
Chapter VI : Fitness of Vehicles
Part II : Equipment on or in respect of vehicles
181. Colour of lights

 
1)  Subject to the provisions of regulation 170(1), 171(1), 172, 175 or 176, no person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle which is fitted with or carries on it a lamp which

a)  except in the case of a brake anti-lock warning light to the front of a trailer, emits a light which is not white, amber or yellow in colour towards the front;


Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: RobC on August 22, 2013, 01:36:38 pm
But to what extent are they legal?
From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night.

You must have miss-Googled!   :ricky:

National Road Traffic Act, 1996 (Act No. 93 of 1996)
National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
Chapter VI : Fitness of Vehicles
Part II : Equipment on or in respect of vehicles
181. Colour of lights

 
1)  Subject to the provisions of regulation 170(1), 171(1), 172, 175 or 176, no person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle which is fitted with or carries on it a lamp which

a)  except in the case of a brake anti-lock warning light to the front of a trailer, emits a light which is not white, amber or yellow in colour towards the front;



and you missed the night part... :sip:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2013, 01:40:47 pm

and you missed the night part... :sip:
[/quote]

You sort of said: "From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night. ", i.e. illegal by day, more illegal by night.  The law, as quoted above, does not say either.    
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: RobC on August 22, 2013, 01:48:15 pm

and you missed the night part... :sip:

You sort of said: "From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night. ", i.e. illegal by day, more illegal by night.  The law, as quoted above, does not say either.    
[/quote]READ the whole act and you will become enlightened and then realize why I said what I said. Too busy to look it up again myself. There is mention of headlamps not being allowed to be diffused too... :sip:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: RobC on August 22, 2013, 01:54:59 pm
The law says you may have yellow or amber headlight. By definition the traffic light orange is amber so I use one.

Some claim you may not put something in front of your lens that would diffuse the light. I have looked but can't find this supposed law. Also if it did exist all those stone chip protectors would also be illegal
What needs to be done is that bike groups should petition for the use, it does make a bike more visible during the day. But at night it makes the rider see less of what is ahead.
My advise is to stay legal by adding more lights... or ride more dirt... :sip:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Toors on August 22, 2013, 02:09:25 pm
The law says you may have yellow or amber headlight. By definition the traffic light orange is amber so I use one.

Some claim you may not put something in front of your lens that would diffuse the light. I have looked but can't find this supposed law. Also if it did exist all those stone chip protectors would also be illegal
What needs to be done is that bike groups should petition for the use, it does make a bike more visible during the day. But at night it makes the rider see less of what is ahead.
My advise is to stay legal by adding more lights... or ride more dirt... :sip:


to be realistic... when last was somebody fined for using an orange cover?  I take mine off in the dark in any event.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: RobC on August 22, 2013, 02:11:16 pm


to be realistic... when last was somebody fined for using an orange cover?  I take mine off in the dark in any event.
So? What is the fuss then? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 22, 2013, 03:58:46 pm
there IS no fuss down here in the Cape - a very high percentage of all bikes have O.H.L.P's (Orange Head Light Protectors), and apart from the odd, very isolated incident, the local authorities are totally cool with the color Orange, for day-time running.

15 years ago, the Government MANDATED that motorcycle headlights be 'always on', to increase the safety aspect when differentiating a (smaller) bike from a (bigger) car.

Then 3 years ago, Talk Radio 702 and Cape Talk 567 introduced the 'Lead with your Lights' campaign as a part of the bigger 'Lead SA' campaign, aimed at getting CAR drivers to turn light on in DAYTIME, in a bid to reduce the very high number of PEDESTRIAN fatalities.

Motorcycles thus 'lost' the one advantage they (and SAAB/Volvo?) owners had, which was lights always on...

Although O.H.L.P's were introduced before this campaign, in the interim the numbers of people choosing to fit them has increased massively.

Cheers!
Chris

Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2013, 05:36:43 pm

and you missed the night part... :sip:

You sort of said: "From what I have read having Googled "national traffic act" they are not legal and especially so at night. ", i.e. illegal by day, more illegal by night.  The law, as quoted above, does not say either.    
READ the whole act and you will become enlightened and then realize why I said what I said. Too busy to look it up again myself. There is mention of headlamps not being allowed to be diffused too... :sip:
[/quote]

Not in this part.

It is mentioned elsewhere in the act,  but that is an interesting part since whether is is diffused or not is not something the eye can decide,  just as the ear cannot decide the pipe is to loud.  Cops do not have light meters with them and neither do I,  so I cannot know if my light is diffused in anyway.  Also,  many methods of filtering light,  without diffusing it.

In the end,  your bike.  Your choice.  :sip:
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Mzee on August 23, 2013, 03:12:44 am
Well, an informative thread.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: Jacoboos on August 23, 2013, 07:41:39 am
Also, when some bright orange approaches from behind, cagers suddenly remember but they also have an orange thingy which can be quite useful.
Title: Re: Why yellow/orange head lamps?
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2013, 09:54:06 am
To me, regardless of legal, or illegal, it makes me more visible.  Even if illegal, it will be in the same category as not displaying your license disc as prescribed, but have it under the seat.  99,999999% of cops, understand.