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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => KTM LC4 400/610/640 & 690 => Topic started by: Jules on August 27, 2013, 09:38:31 am

Title: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on August 27, 2013, 09:38:31 am
A quick one stop post for all the info for the 690E and R

Essential Fixes and Mods.

http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom (http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom) Seems the site is down Not sure why


Tips and Tricks

Irregular Throttle Response/Surging

Problem: The FI system is prone to a lack of smoothness. Sometimes this is due to a lack of calibration or failure to re-calibrate after adjustments.
Fix: Anytime there are changes to the exhaust/intake/engine management systems, the bike benefits from a 15 min idle and a throttle adjustment.

The 15 minutes idle involves letting the bike idle for 15 minutes without ANY throttle input. After 15 minutes, turn off with key.

The throttle adjustment involves key'ing on, slowly opening throttle to full and slowly coming back to closed, then turn off with key.

For many people this has made things much better - it's not a panacea but the improvements can be significant.
Credit Bartron @ Advrider

The Under Seat Fuel Map Switch (Including relevant resistance measurements to build your own handle bar switch)

POSITION:
0, (BAD FUEL) - Circuit OPEN
1, (SLIPPERY) - 15.2 OHMS
2, (POWER) - 6.8
3, (STANDARD) - 4.68

When you first get the bike you will be tempted to play around with these, But pos 3 is the only one you really need 2 gives you whiplash and 1 gives you DRZ400

Basic Suspension Settings Turn adjustment screws all the way in (clock wise) then turn out the required steps.
Rocks / Rough Terrain Slow Speed, More Confort on the tar sections = soft suspension 20 clicks out
Jumps / Racing  = hard suspension 10 clicks out



Parts and Specs

Tyre Sizes
Front 90/90 21"
Rear  140/80 18"

690cc Engine (2012)
49kw 66HP  (2012)

Suspension Travel 250mm front and rear (2012)
Disc Brake Front 300mm Rear 240mm
Chain 5/8 x 1/4  XRing

Wheelbase 1504mm
Seat Height  910mm (2012)
Fuel Tank Capacity  12L

Dry Weight 138.5kg
Wet Weight 150kg (oil fuel water)


Oil filters
One is the same among all model years and one changed in 2012 and newer bikes. Symptoms of an 2011 filter on a 2012 bike is low oil pressure/oil pressure light.
KTM Part Numbers
All model years need the "long" filter: 58038005100

In addition to the "short" filter:
2008-2011: 59038046144
2012+: 75038046100

Hiflo Filter Part Numbers
"Long" filter: HF155
"Short" filter:
2008-2011: HF157
2012+: HF651

Clutch Lever
 Husaberg 570 shares the same Magura clutch setup with the 2012+ 690s (Thanks to Werner747)

Brake Lever
 KTM EXC 200/250/450 00-03 is almost identical on the brake side. (I had to file off about 0,5 mm) (Thanks to Werner747)
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Werner747 on August 27, 2013, 11:54:43 pm
Thanks Jules, nice post.

I was looking for shorter levers for my 2013 690. Found that a Husaberg 570 shares the same Magura clutch setup, and KTM EXC 200/250/450 00-03 is almost identical on the brake side. (I had to file off about 0,5 mm)

The clutch is only for 2013, as the clutch was changed from 2012 and previous years, not sure about the brake side....

The clutch lever I got for the 570 is also a bit shorter than my original for the 690. A three finger lever. so that was what I was looking for. The brake lever I found is same length as original.

Clutch lever was R225, and brake lever was R70,  at EMD racing in Centurion.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on September 24, 2013, 08:24:48 pm
Great post Jules

My bike's throttle response is terrible and it stalls at low speeds. in technical stuff it's a nightmare. I will try your reset advice (idle 15mins etc)

Do you know where I can get a 14 tooth front sprocket?

I am going to try the mildest map setting for the snotty stuff

I nearly sold the bike yesterday

Will try your advice first

Thanks
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on September 24, 2013, 08:25:59 pm
The link http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom (http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom) gives errors  ???
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on September 25, 2013, 08:56:27 am
The link http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom (http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom) gives errors  ???

Hmmm seems the site is down or gone, will see if I can find out.

Have you had your bike remapped at all? What exhaust/air filter you running?

Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on September 25, 2013, 09:11:39 am
Hi Jules

The bike has an Akropovic, was remapped, STD airfilter. Very jerky and stalls
Title: Re: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on September 25, 2013, 09:52:18 am
It seems most folks that have the akro map on have similar issues, i would recommend getting it set back to the stock map and see if it's better
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on September 25, 2013, 11:33:41 am
Jules, see you are a Vendor, do you know where I can get a 14 tooth front sprocket?

Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Ganjora on September 26, 2013, 12:43:10 pm
Airbox Screen (as on Jules bike)

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/690AirboxScreen_zpsdc839c5a.jpg) (http://s597.photobucket.com/user/GanjoraD7/media/690AirboxScreen_zpsdc839c5a.jpg.html)

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/690Airbox_zps0857f4dd.jpg) (http://s597.photobucket.com/user/GanjoraD7/media/690Airbox_zps0857f4dd.jpg.html)

it is a KTM OEM part,  and sells for approx R300.
RAD didn't have stock,  and have ordered 2 iirc.

the blurb from: http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-690-enduro-smc-evo-1-tuning-kit-76506102000 (http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-690-enduro-smc-evo-1-tuning-kit-76506102000)


KTM 690 Enduro SMC Evo 1 Tuning Kit 76506102000
KTM Part Number: 76506102000
Manufacturer: KTM

This tuning kit is brought to you by KTM for your 690 Enduro and SMC. This is a open airbox designed tuning kit which will allow more air into your intake. This requires you to install the KTM Open Map which can be done by your local KTM Technician.

Kit is for off highway use only.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Off-Road-Adventures on September 26, 2013, 04:19:21 pm
Thanks mate, does the airbox screen make the bike smoother?
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2013, 10:39:24 am
Thanks mate, does the airbox screen make the bike smoother?

Louder! and a little more pep!
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Gawel on October 04, 2013, 07:31:12 am
So I have the Airbox Lid and the Akro pipe , which map do I use now......... :laughing4:
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on October 08, 2013, 09:53:47 am
So I have the Airbox Lid and the Akro pipe , which map do I use now......... :laughing4:

Try it with the stock map, if it works then leave it like that, if you have issues go the Akro map route
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Kelevra on October 25, 2013, 07:54:15 pm
Hi Jules

I need some help with an error code. I have the 4 long 1 short FI flash code. According to the manual its a interruption/short circuit to ground in fuel pump control circuit. I cannot do the 15 min idle reset as I cant get the bike running. Any advise would be highly appreciated!
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Jules on October 28, 2013, 01:57:37 pm
Hi Jules

I need some help with an error code. I have the 4 long 1 short FI flash code. According to the manual its a interruption/short circuit to ground in fuel pump control circuit. I cannot do the 15 min idle reset as I cant get the bike running. Any advise would be highly appreciated!
Go through all the wires running from under the seat to the rest of the bike, sounds like a pinched or exposed wire somewhere causing a short

Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Bram on November 07, 2013, 02:19:55 pm
Seem to be having a problem with my bike as well. When I start the bike when its cold it starts nicely but then just cuts out. Start it again, it starts nicely but then the revs pick up and drop after a few seconds.  When im riding technical stuff where I have to use a lot of throttle control the bike stall abruptly and backfires through the airfilter. Or what looks like a backfire. It makes my seat pop up a bit. Already took it to ktm to get the map reset but didnt make a difference.  Sometimes there is a delay in throttle response which can be quite surprising in tight situations. It all started when I had to take the airbox out to put in the aftermarket tankbolts. Took it in to ktm now to see if they can resolve the issue.  The mechanic thinks it might be the throttle sensor position thats off. Or something like that. I also run a acro exhaust but standard filter.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: MaxThePanda on November 07, 2013, 02:31:53 pm
Definitely consider fuel pump if it's cutting out sporadically. Known issue...
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Bram on November 07, 2013, 03:26:53 pm
Definitely consider fuel pump if it's cutting out sporadically. Known issue...

Have thought about that has well as i sometimes hear a very silent high pitch wine. But been trying to ignore it as i know the cost of a new pump isn't exactly cheap. 
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Bushcat on November 07, 2013, 04:05:26 pm
Bram, that "Very Silent High Pitch Whine That You Sometimes Hear, but you try to ignore," is not your Fuel Pump!  :bueller:
But more than likely is that thing argueing in your head with your Common Sense!
In your case "Why the Fark do you want to go down that Steep Hill, Are you Nuts?!! :imaposer:

On a serious note, i am also battling with my bike doing the same thing? :patch:

I am leaning towards Jules theory of a "Pinched Wire" because it comes clean & then it is beautifull, unless like someone else has mentioned, one of the Sensors is playing Up?

Let me know if you come right.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Bram on November 08, 2013, 10:04:35 am
Bram, that "Very Silent High Pitch Whine That You Sometimes Hear, but you try to ignore," is not your Fuel Pump!  :bueller:
But more than likely is that thing argueing in your head with your Common Sense!
In your case "Why the Fark do you want to go down that Steep Hill, Are you Nuts?!! :imaposer:

On a serious note, i am also battling with my bike doing the same thing? :patch:

I am leaning towards Jules theory of a "Pinched Wire" because it comes clean & then it is beautifull, unless like someone else has mentioned, one of the Sensors is playing Up?

Let me know if you come right.

 :imaposer: Maybe the noise is coming from the kitchen while I'm spending all that time in the garage. Will probably only get the bike back on monday but will let you know what the issue was.

Hope its nothing too serious.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: LONG BOB on January 23, 2014, 08:17:54 am
Mine did the same, set maping on 3 and she idled , 15 and all sorted. Also found that altertude thingi behind the head lamp had come off the bracket and the breather pipe facing up. No more kak.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: bud500 on February 07, 2014, 11:00:35 am
The link http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom (http://ktm690.info/index.php/690_Hall_of_Wisdom) gives errors  ???

Looks like it is back up.
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: ThomasZA on March 21, 2014, 07:30:05 am
I've recently bought an '08 model 690 Enduro... When I initially looked at it... I was told the O2 sensor needed to be cleaned... mine also has an after market pipe, standard airbox though... and I was also told the fuel injector was cleaned...

1st day when I rode it, all was well... untill it started raining... then the thing absolutely refused to idle... Took it back - and was told they replaced my injector... since then - she seems to purr like a kitten.... (granted, an angry, extremely loud kitten....)

so perhaps cleaning the injector is also an option to look at? failing that - I have to admit - I have had nothing but epicly awesome service from the guys at RAD Moto...
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Hugonator on March 14, 2016, 09:13:53 am
Just heard the new pricing on the 690 enduro they are now R128k on the road..This is crazy expensive...
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: boere on March 14, 2016, 10:02:53 am
Eish ??? ???
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: evansv on September 06, 2016, 07:40:57 am
Apparently the 690 seat bolts breaking are a common failure. Does anybody know where to get & is there an upgraded to stop this failure?
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Dirt Junkie on September 06, 2016, 09:02:04 am
Apparently the 690 seat bolts breaking are a common failure. Does anybody know where to get & is there an upgraded to stop this failure?
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=195416.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=195416.0)
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: Rough Rider on September 06, 2016, 09:12:59 am
I changed mine on Sunday was a bit of a mission
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: evansv on September 06, 2016, 10:49:05 am
Thanks :thumleft:
Title: Re: 690 Quick Reference Guide
Post by: MXDURO on May 04, 2017, 12:40:33 pm
@ Jules

Maybe you can edit your first post and add that this part number # 50302031300 Clutch Lever CPL. replaces the long lever with a much better shorter version.