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Title: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: CRUISER CRAZY on December 02, 2013, 08:30:26 pm
Just shortly your vote.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: chicco on December 02, 2013, 08:33:17 pm
I stay in KZN...no use for me to register...still not sure how it will work when I visit with my KZN plates.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: CRUISER CRAZY on December 02, 2013, 09:01:38 pm
Only one YES so far.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: spokie on December 02, 2013, 09:05:23 pm
Zuma kan maar sy eie Toll-e suig!
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Sir Alex on December 02, 2013, 09:31:03 pm
FUCK 'EM
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: RobC on December 02, 2013, 09:52:01 pm
I live in Bloem and we detour around the tolls on dirt... much more fun.
MD loves taking the Terios on dirt as well so by car or bike... no Dom Toll for us. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Kneeslider on December 02, 2013, 10:27:00 pm
FVKEM

I will pay them on the steps of the courthouse, not a moment before.

 :middlefinger:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: T Rex on December 02, 2013, 10:38:21 pm
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Manic on December 02, 2013, 11:32:00 pm
Laasweek is ek in JHB.

Kom op die Highway afgevlieg soos wit blits. Dis mos E Toll, miljarde spandeer, Highway gaan mos loop!!

Toe vat dit my nogsteeds 20min van offramp na offramp.

So hy werk nes die ou Highway voor die Miljarde? Waarvoor moet ek meer betaal, om op n lanie teerpad stil te staan?
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Xchallenge on December 03, 2013, 08:06:22 am
I agree... F*** 'em! I will not ever buy one.

Greedy pigs.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: J-dog on December 03, 2013, 08:12:42 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Tommy Transalp on December 03, 2013, 09:24:02 am
I'm getting a personalized number plate made... NKANDLA GP..... then they can send the invoice! :snorting: >:D
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Bundu on December 03, 2013, 09:42:22 am
I think it is a good system to keep roads maintained         2 (2.2%)


seriously WTF!

with only 15c in a Rand going to road maintenance
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Swart Gevaar on December 03, 2013, 10:00:23 am
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.

I hope you don't have to do these routes during peak hour traffic. If you do, then there is no discount. Only during non-peak hours do you get your discount. (Apparently)
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Ventana on December 03, 2013, 10:33:58 am
Bit of a shocker this morning.  Picked up a Class B Avis car and they've added R400 to the deposit - refundable upon return less any e-Toll charges incurred.

I dont have a problem with Avis recovering charges - but what happens when the same car is used throughout the month by different drivers, and lets say they all use the highways so that the maximum toll is recovered (I think it's R450 per month).  By implication the drivers at the beginning of each month will get klapped and those driving at the end of the month should get their deposit back........or am i missing something?

If i'm right this is the last time I hire a car at the beginning of the month.....
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2013, 10:42:15 am
and at the end of the day a Kit Kat will cost you 15c more... all these costs will be added into pricing structures by end February or sooner...  :sip:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: T Rex on December 03, 2013, 11:14:35 am
Bit of a shocker this morning.  Picked up a Class B Avis car and they've added R400 to the deposit - refundable upon return less any e-Toll charges incurred.

I dont have a problem with Avis recovering charges - but what happens when the same car is used throughout the month by different drivers, and lets say they all use the highways so that the maximum toll is recovered (I think it's R450 per month).  By implication the drivers at the beginning of each month will get klapped and those driving at the end of the month should get their deposit back........or am i missing something?

If i'm right this is the last time I hire a car at the beginning of the month.....

It is simple, THEY are  also stealing  YOUR MONEY .....!! Not only the Goverment!!
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Dirty Boy on December 03, 2013, 11:30:04 am
I stay in KZN...no use for me to register...still not sure how it will work when I visit with my KZN plates.

Mmm, Ive also wondered about this.

1. If you are from 'out of town' how do you pay ?
2. If you are a local and dont but an e-tag (not that anybody would do that   :eek7:) how do they catch you ? Does it photograph your number plate (from front or back) ?
3. Hire car question (which I fit into that category) has now been answered. I noted that the car I hired last month already had a tag on the windscreen and beeped everytime I went under one of the booms.

A few years back I was in Melbourne on business. They have a similar e tag system and for out of towners, you have to go online and can pay via eft. Trouble is there are a number of different toll booms and they are managed by different companies thus, different websites. As a tourist its a right pain in the butt.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: dieseldawie on December 03, 2013, 12:09:33 pm
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.

Same situation here. had an etag for 10 years already. Where was everyone fighting our fight while we fund the Bakwena highway to Rustenburg. R8 to travel from Zambesi to N4 on Bakwena then R6  to travel from N4 to New Road, is a bargain. Think we should campaign to make Bakwena charge the same rates as Sanral then in fact I will save on what I have been paying for the last 10 years. Roads were lovely and quiet this morning and If I take the hourly rate I am paid at work into account I actually made a saving. Still plenty of big cars with one person only in them. Hoping this etol thing will make people think and decide to lift club or buy bikes to reduce congestion on the highway.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Bundu on December 03, 2013, 02:20:34 pm
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.

Same situation here. had an etag for 10 years already. Where was everyone fighting our fight while we fund the Bakwena highway to Rustenburg. R8 to travel from Zambesi to N4 on Bakwena then R6  to travel from N4 to New Road, is a bargain. Think we should campaign to make Bakwena charge the same rates as Sanral then in fact I will save on what I have been paying for the last 10 years. Roads were lovely and quiet this morning and If I take the hourly rate I am paid at work into account I actually made a saving. Still plenty of big cars with one person only in them. Hoping this etol thing will make people think and decide to lift club or buy bikes to reduce congestion on the highway.

you don't understand the problem with e-tolling, do you?
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: KiLRoy on December 03, 2013, 02:25:15 pm
Thats another point to consider - why must I pay etolls, to still sit 2 hours in traffic.  How did the etolls actually improved my commute?
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: J-dog on December 03, 2013, 02:52:18 pm
Thats another point to consider - why must I pay etolls, to still sit 2 hours in traffic.  How did the etolls actually improved my commute?

perhaps move to the armpit? we have no gees, no decent shops, no hot pretoria girls, nothing to do, no money, BUT....

No traffic, no police, and no e-tolls  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: dieseldawie on December 03, 2013, 07:19:58 pm
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.

Same situation here. had an etag for 10 years already. Where was everyone fighting our fight while we fund the Bakwena highway to Rustenburg. R8 to travel from Zambesi to N4 on Bakwena then R6  to travel from N4 to New Road, is a bargain. Think we should campaign to make Bakwena charge the same rates as Sanral then in fact I will save on what I have been paying for the last 10 years. Roads were lovely and quiet this morning and If I take the hourly rate I am paid at work into account I actually made a saving. Still plenty of big cars with one person only in them. Hoping this etol thing will make people think and decide to lift club or buy bikes to reduce congestion on the highway.

you don't understand the problem with e-tolling, do you?

I think after being subjected to them for 10 years I Do???

And I also think my opinion is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Bundu on December 03, 2013, 07:31:04 pm
Registered , hope to benefit from the 50% discount. These things are not going to go away!

We live in the Northern parts of Pretoria , we had toll gates for a number of years now and used E Tags for quite a while. It is a convenient way of paying the inevitable!! Saves a lot of time in peak traffic as well.

Same situation here. had an etag for 10 years already. Where was everyone fighting our fight while we fund the Bakwena highway to Rustenburg. R8 to travel from Zambesi to N4 on Bakwena then R6  to travel from N4 to New Road, is a bargain. Think we should campaign to make Bakwena charge the same rates as Sanral then in fact I will save on what I have been paying for the last 10 years. Roads were lovely and quiet this morning and If I take the hourly rate I am paid at work into account I actually made a saving. Still plenty of big cars with one person only in them. Hoping this etol thing will make people think and decide to lift club or buy bikes to reduce congestion on the highway.

you don't understand the problem with e-tolling, do you?


I think after being subjected to them for 10 years I Do???

And I also think my opinion is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

OK sorry, I maybe came across a bit snotty - of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it should be informed

What I meant, is that although I hate normal gated toll roads, especially that bikes pay the same as cars, I can sort of accept them, as they are fairly efficient

The GFIP being funded through e-tolling, is the most inefficient way to build roads and that's the main argument against e-tolling - when using GFIP roads, less than 60c of every Rand one pays, goes to the actual roads - the rest goes to collection and corruption
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Fudmucker on December 03, 2013, 08:40:20 pm
The extortion of the N4 Bakwena toll is that they toll traffic on a North-South highway (N1) in order to pay for an East-West road (N4.)  The N4 doesn't carry enough traffic to pay for itself, so SANRAL renamed a short portion of the N1 into the N4 in order to rip off motorists. 

What pisses me off is that Government is now trying to equate resistance to the E-toll as treason or unpatriotic behaviour.
NOT LISTENING TO THE VIEWS OF YOUR ELECTORATE IS UNPATRIOTIC !

Let's see how ZA votes in 2014...

 :deal:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Manic on December 03, 2013, 08:40:53 pm
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Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm today that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985 322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, only 1339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for SANRAL.


             
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 04, 2013, 04:33:05 am
Bit of a shocker this morning.  Picked up a Class B Avis car and they've added R400 to the deposit - refundable upon return less any e-Toll charges incurred.

I dont have a problem with Avis recovering charges - but what happens when the same car is used throughout the month by different drivers, and lets say they all use the highways so that the maximum toll is recovered (I think it's R450 per month).  By implication the drivers at the beginning of each month will get klapped and those driving at the end of the month should get their deposit back........or am i missing something?

If i'm right this is the last time I hire a car at the beginning of the month.....

Let us know what transpires with this please.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Ganjora on December 04, 2013, 04:45:41 am
Bit of a shocker this morning.  Picked up a Class B Avis car and they've added R400 to the deposit - refundable upon return less any e-Toll charges incurred.

is there a loan car company which doesn't have etagged cars?
would be interesting to know.
it would be the only company i'd bother to hire a car from...
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Fudmucker on December 04, 2013, 05:19:59 am
One of the reasons why the car hire companies have supported the OATA lawsuit is that they have had to e-tag all their rental vehicles.  There isn't one company that hasn't e-tagged, because it places an additional administrative burden on them to manage the toll fees.

That is why the extra deposit is levied - it is less than the maximum amount per month for a tagged vehicle.  If they did NOT tag, then they could lose double and more that maximum, which they would then have to try to recoup from their customers after they have returned the cars.

All the state vehicles are tagged as well.  In addition, most large commercial owners are going the tagged route to save on toll fees and administration costs.   Now you know why there are maybe a million e-tagged vehicles in GP. 

It is now up to the private individual vehicle owners to not cooperate with the system.  They are also the voters who have been democratically opposing the forced introduction of this system against their wishes.   
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: KiLRoy on December 04, 2013, 06:27:18 am
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-blames-e-toll-glitches-on-ETFs-20131203 (http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-blames-e-toll-glitches-on-ETFs-20131203)

The DA said.....

"If you oppose tolling, you must oppose the current government."

So, by implication.....  If you support etoll (getting etagged), you support the current ANC government?

If so, well enjoy. But dont let us ever hear you bitching again....
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: fixit on December 04, 2013, 06:44:16 am
The extortion of the N4 Bakwena toll is that they toll traffic on a North-South highway (N1) in order to pay for an East-West road (N4.)  The N4 doesn't carry enough traffic to pay for itself, so SANRAL renamed a short portion of the N1 into the N4 in order to rip off motorists. 

What pisses me off is that Government is now trying to equate resistance to the E-toll as treason or unpatriotic behaviour.
NOT LISTENING TO THE VIEWS OF YOUR ELECTORATE IS UNPATRIOTIC !

Let's see how ZA votes in 2014...
 :deal:

The same way they always vote. Bitch and moan about everything the gov does, but they still place their cross right next to the turtle face when no one is watching.
You must realise, there is a shitload of businesses that benfit from the ANC being in power.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Ganjora on December 04, 2013, 06:49:24 am
The same way they always vote. Bitch and moan about everything the gov does, but they still place their cross right next to the turtle face when no one is watching.
You must realise, there is a shitload of businesses that benfit from the ANC being in power.

i dunno...
i live in northriding,  ward 15 if i recall correctly.
there are more non white people in the area (black,  indian,  coloured,  chinese) than there are white.
in the recent local election,  the DA won by a country mile.
lots of non whites obviously voted for them...
i think we will see a change in the local,  but for national,  i think people will stay with their favourites.
nevertheless,  it'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: DeepBass9 on December 06, 2013, 12:01:25 pm
so SANRAL renamed a short portion of the N1 into the N4 in order to rip off motorists. 

I always wondered why there were 2 N4s running parallel
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: spokie on December 07, 2013, 04:23:00 pm
Seems the police are writing out fines (R500) on the N1 after some gantries, for not having an e-tag. I've heard people "pay" the fine on the spot :o... typical, what else can you expect from SAP?
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Fudmucker on December 07, 2013, 05:08:25 pm
Not having an E-tag is not a criminal offense.
Intimidating motorists who have no e-tag IS a criminal offense.
File out a complaint and charge the fackers.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: ktmrules on December 07, 2013, 06:16:25 pm
 :pot:
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: StevedW on December 07, 2013, 06:52:37 pm
Not having an E-tag is not a criminal offense.
Intimidating motorists who have no e-tag IS a criminal offense.
File out a complaint and charge the fackers.
As far as I understand not paying your toll account is a criminal offence and pretty soon it will be like traffic fines; if any are outstanding they will have to be paid before you can license a vehicle.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: spokie on December 08, 2013, 12:23:18 am
Not having an E-tag is not a criminal offense.
Intimidating motorists who have no e-tag IS a criminal offense.
File out a complaint and charge the fackers.
As far as I understand not paying your toll account is a criminal offence and pretty soon it will be like traffic fines; if any are outstanding they will have to be paid before you can license a vehicle.

Nope, there is no such law in place regarding outstanding traffic fines affecting license renewals - once apon a time, yes there was, but not anymore. That principal is disfunctional and illogic.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: KiLRoy on December 08, 2013, 02:10:47 pm
Jeez, some okes need to learn to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Also, check your facts before posting shit. It just creates rumours.
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: Bundu on December 08, 2013, 05:51:20 pm
Jeez, some okes need to learn to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Also, check your facts before posting shit. It just creates rumours.

pisses me off endlessly when people post shit that the average citizen should know is BS - folks seem so terrified that they are leaving their thinking caps at home  ::)
Title: Re: Who registered for E Toll(poll added)
Post by: KiLRoy on December 08, 2013, 06:41:08 pm
Jeez, some okes need to learn to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Also, check your facts before posting shit. It just creates rumours.

pisses me off endlessly when people post shit that the average citizen should know is BS - folks seem so terrified that they are leaving their thinking caps at home  ::)

See what artheid did :imaposer:  no free thinking, constant fear for 'the law' :imaposer: :imaposer:  living in the past mate.  Dis n sonde om sonder n etag en met n kondoom te ry :imaposer:  sheep, the other half are cattle.... :imaposer: