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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Shutter_Eye on December 22, 2013, 10:56:56 am

Title: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 22, 2013, 10:56:56 am
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Eendstop on December 22, 2013, 11:22:36 am
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 22, 2013, 11:32:28 am
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

Like we explained to our reception staff (they're not bike-savvy)
"If it has flickers and a number plate and doesn't sound like a crappy lawn-mower or an ANC Navara - let it in." :peepwall:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 22, 2013, 11:37:35 am
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

You'll have to be pretty good to get a touring bike to Witsand.  In fact, to get a GS to Witsand when the roads are kak, will require you to be wide awake. 
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Gérrard on December 22, 2013, 11:39:39 am
Only allow WD's, then you know you won't get any riff-raff  :pot:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Mr Zog on December 22, 2013, 11:46:30 am
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)

Rules out 2S Dan...  :peepwall:  :ricky:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Offshore on December 22, 2013, 11:47:40 am
The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
That is fair Comment.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: luv2ride on December 22, 2013, 11:48:06 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Kamanya on December 22, 2013, 11:51:44 am
Put this in your brochure and on your website. Tell your staff to hand this to each rider and ask them to sign it.

"You are entering a reserve. Motorcycles have a mostly undeservedly bad reputation for making the experience unpleasant for others.

Going off the roads, racing and sliding the bike, loud exhausts, revving at night are just some examples of our past experience. Despite this we really do understand this has been the examples set by an uncaring few. Sadly you all get painted with this brush.

With the greatest respect to women, we would appreciate if you rode like a girl in our reserve and help us keep this reserve open to all to enjoy"

Don't only make rules to address the issue. Address the issue directly too.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: RobC on December 22, 2013, 12:02:00 pm
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

Like we explained to our reception staff (they're not bike-savvy)
"If it has flickers and a number plate and doesn't sound like a crappy lawn-mower or an ANC Navara - let it in." :peepwall:
Ek dink julle belied is 100% korrek.

However an after market pipe used properly may sometimes be just as quite as an OEM. :deal:

Gaan nog eendag kom inloer... maar is besig om 'n "Wild vriedelike" snubber te ontwerp vir my Xorst. Sal dit kom uitoets by julle vir terugvoer. :thumleft:
The idea is to fit the device  it prior to entry to any game area, speeds in such places are only slightly faster than a jog in any case and having sound restriction fitted does not impair the bike at all and would make the experience so much better for all.
If it works I may have a sale-able item! :sip:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: punisher on December 22, 2013, 12:05:59 pm
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Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Bensien on December 22, 2013, 01:28:36 pm
Just refuse entry to KTM's
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: laurika on December 22, 2013, 02:11:12 pm
Wonderful that u will let bikes in...we did a lovely spot of game viewing from our bikes this morning...guard just waved us in...what a pleasure!
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: sidetrack on December 22, 2013, 02:29:40 pm
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Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Goose on December 22, 2013, 02:33:34 pm
The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
That is fair Comment.


I'd agree on this as well........... Nature Reserve = Animals ..... loud pipes and noisy bikes will defeat the object of going into a reserve to see and enjoy the animals....
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: JC on December 22, 2013, 03:09:26 pm
I won't take my road legal bike into a nature reserve where people are watching game. Damn thing too noisy. But I would appreciate it if I am allowed to ride to the campsite and park it.

get a cheap DB meter at the gate and set an acceptable standard
http://dx.com/p/tecman-tm810m-mini-1-4-lcd-digital-sound-level-meter-w-microphone-light-grey-dark-grey-black-229311 (http://dx.com/p/tecman-tm810m-mini-1-4-lcd-digital-sound-level-meter-w-microphone-light-grey-dark-grey-black-229311)
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: alanB on December 22, 2013, 06:52:19 pm
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)

Instead of trying to restrict the type of bike, when its actually the type of person you are trying to exclude, why don't you put up a sign that says something like:

1) Motorcyclists are not allowed in general due to previous bad experiences with hooligans who have no respect for animals or other people.
2) However at the sole discretion of the gate attendant they make exceptions.  They do not have to explain their decision as right of admission is strictly reserved.
3) In the rare case an exception is made, the motorcycle may only be ridden directly to the camp ground and parked there for the duration of the stay.

That way you can leave it up to the guard, if they don't like the look of people they can refuse and just point to the sign without any further explanation necessary.  As managers you can coach the guards what types to allow and what types to exclude.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: DikZol on December 22, 2013, 07:03:34 pm
I like the ideas on the rules, but I guess the most important thing is to enforce it properly and simply remove the bad apples.  Get well known for being strict and the bad boys should stay away.  It is expensive to book a week(end) and then be asked to leave the first night.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 22, 2013, 07:10:37 pm
I think you should keep it to adventure/street legal bikes only, with a warning to bikers to respect the environment and others around them.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 22, 2013, 07:21:50 pm
Look, a guy entering a reserve on a bike or in a car and does not realise that he/she should take it easy, should not be there in the 1st place.

Problem is that by the time you know he should not have been there, he's inside.

Ban all bikes. :pot:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: TheBear on December 23, 2013, 06:52:38 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Brodes on December 23, 2013, 07:32:34 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

He meant BMW.
There's clearly nothing wrong with KTM riders.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: ETS on December 23, 2013, 07:51:15 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: dookie on December 23, 2013, 08:45:28 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Allegro on December 23, 2013, 09:11:18 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................

Veral ouens soos jy  :snorting:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 23, 2013, 09:30:47 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

Says a lot about the quality of standard parts on a KTM. :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 23, 2013, 10:34:27 am
Cool, seems like we've got it right. Thanks a million for your input guys!

Maybe sometime I'll sit down and write an article on the ecology side of biking and why bikes do more damage than most people realise. A guide to eco-friendly riding, seeing as I'm on both sides as a ranger and biker.

It's possible that some people just don't realize how much k@k they actually cause by going off-road and so on.



Oh, and if we ban all KTM's, then their will be nobody to provide support to the BMW guys on route to us, so that won't work either. :peepwall:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Roxtar on December 23, 2013, 10:50:06 am
If you live in bushveld area like me a louder pipe helps I find as it warns game to get outta the way before I approach.........you ever had a kudu/impala jump in front of you from the side of the road :laughing4:

If you really want to game view just ban the bikes altogether, very few are silent enough NOT to be a disturbance, and I personally hate quiet bikes >:D
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Pistonpete on December 23, 2013, 10:54:31 am
 ;D
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 23, 2013, 11:02:42 am
If you live in bushveld area like me a louder pipe helps I find as it warns game to get outta the way before I approach.........you ever had a kudu/impala jump in front of you from the side of the road :laughing4:

If you really want to game view just ban the bikes altogether, very few are silent enough NOT to be a disturbance, and I personally hate quiet bikes >:D

If you're travelling at any speed that would cause a Kudu to mis-judge the distances (or cause you not to brake in time) then you shouldn't be riding in nature reserves at all. Animals have right of way and blasting around isn't much help.
Ever hit a kudu at 20 - 30km/h? No, that doesn't happen. :deal:

Animals don't spook for the KLR (which is pretty quiet, compared to most bikes), they stand and watch it go past, but don't run across the road. A quiet bike is the best thing for game viewing because of it's size, most animals don't seem intimidated by it. I had a Gemsbok actually approach the bike while it was idling - he was quite curious about this new thing.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: ETS on December 23, 2013, 11:10:23 am
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................

Coorect English should be---as well....... ::) ::) :thumleft: :laughing4:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 23, 2013, 11:26:37 am

Coorect English should be---as well....... ::) ::) :thumleft: :laughing4:

irony

noun
1.
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
 :lol8:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 23, 2013, 11:33:01 am
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

If someone misbehaves they should be throw out whether on a bike, car or 4x4.
Ive been in campsites where the generators and radios kept me awake at night
but the next morning when i started my bike to leave everyone was showing me
go slowly signs before i even had it in gear. :biggrin: :eek7:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 23, 2013, 12:01:37 pm
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 23, 2013, 12:04:26 pm
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.
Ek dink jy mag dalk meer bikes inkry as julle n gamedrive voertuig het. Trekker met n sleepwa
ka mos werk. Baie plek vir coolerboxe en hout. :deal:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Goose on December 23, 2013, 01:10:11 pm
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.

This is what I've been discussing with SANPARKS ..........  will keep you posted on developments, but there's some exciting stuff going to happen....
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: lecap on December 24, 2013, 08:00:04 am
I was privileged to have access to a number of game reserves and nature reserves across Southern Africa which normally would be off limits to motorcycles. Including the ones with dangerous game. (I won't tell you which ones).

Sometimes the visits were arranged beforehand sometimes I just pitched at the gate and talked my way in.

On occasion a pre - arranged "we will escort you in to the camp and out on the shortest way with a 4x4" turned into "don't miss this detour, stop there and look for that" two wheeled game drive. (Sometimes self guided sometimes guided)

When entering a NP or game reserve with a group I set out rules for my clients and made it very clear that I will immediately take the bike & truck it home and put the client onto the next flight if someone thinks he must pull a stunt.


To answer the question:
I would allow only street legal DS / ADV bikes. with original, quiet exhaust systems. Racing cans scare animals and annoy other visitors. If you want to go to a game reserve with your bike fit your OEM pipe. If you don't have an OEM pipe ride somewhere else.
The story that some aftermarket pipes are just as quiet as OEM is bullshite. Not even the KBA / EC approved systems sold in Europe are quiet. Hardly anyone one buys an exhaust for increased performance.
I would also consider to allow feet up trailies since they probably are the bikes with the tiniest acoustic and physical foot print.
As for quads: Only agri - type like a Suzi Ozark and the likes.

The big problem would be enforcing the rules and making sure no one disguises his Enduro for a trailie, changes to the 120db racing trumpet or just rides like an idjitt wheel spinning, power sliding & kicking up dust and spoiling the experience for others.

IMHO it would be equally important to manage the routes the bikes do (are allowed to do). A bike has the potential to be less destructive and less deteriorating than a 4x4 but you have to make sure that the riders behave. A route which would be no more than intermediate for a proper 4x4 can be challenging for a bike and as soon as you have bikes revving & wheel spinning through thick sand or up a steep incline you've done something wrong.

Rules:
Entry allowed only for DS and ADV bikes with OEM unmodified, quiet exhaust, FUT and agri quads (the latter two obviously also only with quiet OEM exhaust).
No hooligan riding whatsoever. Ride slowly and don't make unnecessary noise or leave.
No riding on roads & tracks marked off limits to bikes.
Make sure everyone understands what is expected of them and that they will have to leave immediately if they should be found bending the rules.

Consider (if feasible) having a staff member (or yourself) on a bike available for patrolling if there is bikes around and maybe also guiding guys on bikes.




Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Bacchus2 on December 24, 2013, 10:25:10 am
The more complicated the rules, the more difficult to enforce......thus becoming a mission on its own

Either allow bikes (with one or two simple rules as already mentioned) or don't.  :deal:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 24, 2013, 10:51:18 am
The more complicated the rules, the more difficult to enforce......thus becoming a mission on its own

Either allow bikes (with one or two simple rules as already mentioned) or don't.  :deal:

Exactly... Adding exceptions and maybes and sometimes's cause their own problems.
Take the simplest example that almost all nature reserves enforce - NO PETS ALLOWED.

And still people try to find a loophole. "dis net 'n klein hondjie" and stroies like that. No pets means no pets, simple.
If you complicate it by having a rule like "Only well behaved dogs allowed" then things go south six ways from Sunday.

We had a simple No Bikes policy in the past, but somewhere we have to find a compromise between no bikes and every dick tom and scrotum with a scrambler ripping up the place.

Trouble is, I wish there was some kind of legal, concrete definition on what an "Adventure Motorcycle"  is...
That would mean we could simply say "Adventure motorcycles only" and be done with it.  But alas, the world is not so simple.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 24, 2013, 10:56:18 am
I was privileged to have access to a number of game reserves and nature reserves across Southern Africa which normally would be off limits to motorcycles. Including the ones with dangerous game. (I won't tell you which ones).

Sometimes the visits were arranged beforehand sometimes I just pitched at the gate and talked my way in.

On occasion a pre - arranged "we will escort you in to the camp and out on the shortest way with a 4x4" turned into "don't miss this detour, stop there and look for that" two wheeled game drive. (Sometimes self guided sometimes guided)

When entering a NP or game reserve with a group I set out rules for my clients and made it very clear that I will immediately take the bike & truck it home and put the client onto the next flight if someone thinks he must pull a stunt.


To answer the question:
I would allow only street legal DS / ADV bikes. with original, quiet exhaust systems. Racing cans scare animals and annoy other visitors. If you want to go to a game reserve with your bike fit your OEM pipe. If you don't have an OEM pipe ride somewhere else.
The story that some aftermarket pipes are just as quiet as OEM is bullshite. Not even the KBA / EC approved systems sold in Europe are quiet. Hardly anyone one buys an exhaust for increased performance.
I would also consider to allow feet up trailies since they probably are the bikes with the tiniest acoustic and physical foot print.
As for quads: Only agri - type like a Suzi Ozark and the likes.

The big problem would be enforcing the rules and making sure no one disguises his Enduro for a trailie, changes to the 120db racing trumpet or just rides like an idjitt wheel spinning, power sliding & kicking up dust and spoiling the experience for others.

IMHO it would be equally important to manage the routes the bikes do (are allowed to do). A bike has the potential to be less destructive and less deteriorating than a 4x4 but you have to make sure that the riders behave. A route which would be no more than intermediate for a proper 4x4 can be challenging for a bike and as soon as you have bikes revving & wheel spinning through thick sand or up a steep incline you've done something wrong.

Rules:
Entry allowed only for DS and ADV bikes with OEM unmodified, quiet exhaust, FUT and agri quads (the latter two obviously also only with quiet OEM exhaust).
No hooligan riding whatsoever. Ride slowly and don't make unnecessary noise or leave.
No riding on roads & tracks marked off limits to bikes.
Make sure everyone understands what is expected of them and that they will have to leave immediately if they should be found bending the rules.

Consider (if feasible) having a staff member (or yourself) on a bike available for patrolling if there is bikes around and maybe also guiding guys on bikes.


Thanks for that - a lot of thought went into your post.  :thumleft:
There are various ways of restricting bikes, but we actively market ourselves as kind of a DIY reserve, where you come in and do your own thing. We attract a lot of hikers, photographers, bird watchers, the kind of people who prefer to do their own thing. We don't want our biker clients to feel restricted any more than the car & bakkie clients...

Like I've said to people in the past - ride your bike like you'd drive a sedan - if a corolla can't go there, then you shouldn't be there either.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: HeeBs on December 24, 2013, 12:05:51 pm
Why not allow bikes "WITH PRIOR PERMISSION" only?

This way, we need to call you and get permission, the rules can be explained beforehand and everyone knows what's expected of each party?
You will avoid nasty situations at the gate (mostly) and it won't be obvious that you favour one group over the other.
Also you'll get to know who to trust and who to get rid of.


When the Hells Angels club books and the WD's book, It's obvious that you will allow the Hells Angels in !  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 24, 2013, 12:32:24 pm

When the Hells Angels club books and the WD's book, It's obvious that you will allow the Hells Angels in !  :biggrin:

Anyone who's dumb enough to attempt our gravel roads on a Hardley won't get within 70km of us, so the Hells Angels will be asked for full upfront non-refundable payment for the accommodation, and we book other people in their place. :lol8: Kaching.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: lucas on December 24, 2013, 12:56:54 pm
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only" Adventure riders over 60 only.
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: pirata on December 25, 2013, 05:27:13 pm
I assume you have a speed limit in the park? So the bike NEEDS to have a speedo. That may be something worth checking?
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 25, 2013, 05:36:40 pm
I assume you have a speed limit in the park? So the bike NEEDS to have a speedo. That may be something worth checking?

Hmm... Haven't thought of that. Although the speeding is a whole different ball game and very difficult to monitor.
Thanks for the input. :thumleft:
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Herklaas on December 25, 2013, 05:41:03 pm
Here in Cape Town they will not allow you into a picnic/braai area called Eerste Steen, the first turn-off to the beach North of Big Bay, and it is no reserve as far as I know. I wanted to join some friends, and they showed me the sign. No go.
The Tiger 800 is not really a rat bike, of hoe.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: SGB on December 25, 2013, 05:58:13 pm
I assume you have a speed limit in the park? So the bike NEEDS to have a speedo. That may be something worth checking?

Hmm... Haven't thought of that. Although the speeding is a whole different ball game and very difficult to monitor.
Thanks for the input. :thumleft:

First gear idle speed only.... Like we always do....
Witsand is a great DS destination.  If you have not been, do it.  Or join us in July of every year.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Titanic on December 25, 2013, 06:33:00 pm
How about a rule like this:
Bikes only allowed if booked at least a week in advance, R3 000 deposit to be returned a week after departure on condition of no complaints and good behaviour.
That way you should only attract responsible people and no chancers.

I would not have an issue with such a rule because I know I can behave. ( and will make damn sure the people with me as well, otherwise I lose my deposit - LOL)
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: JacoB on December 25, 2013, 08:50:54 pm
First of all, well done on your pragmatic approach.   :laughing4:

I have been amazed at the ridicules blanket approach many establishments take, despite all the research that shows the DS bike market being a major tourism growth area, much like the 4x4 boom in recent years.

I last year December had a very unpleasant experience at Sodwana when, after making arrangements in advance with the lodge where we would be staying, and arranging to be collected with a trailer at the gate, park officials refused us entry after having travelled 700km.

In their wisdom, they somehow got to the conclusion that if I arrive on my bike, I would become a different person than when I arrive in my 4x4.  Arguments that bikes are more noisy than the many off-road vehicles, including tractors etc., also did not have credibility and only showed that they have not given their policy thorough thought.

We eventually got in after much stress and escalation to management, needless to say, we have not been back, not on the bike and not with the 4x4 either.  Not the result you wish to have for a tourism dependent establishment.

I say, prosecute the offenders, don't persecute me just because I choose to use an alternative form of transport.

I fully support your approach:

1. Street legal, number plates, licence, etc.  if a can legally ride it to your gate, then there should be no reason not to let me in.
2. That implies that the bike should be complying to noise levels.  Easy to test at the gate.
3. All the rules apply, if I would have complied with my 4x4, then why would I not comply when I use my bike.

We recently had the opportunity to ride through Phinda nature reserve, what a magical, experience!   SA, including our nature reserves, could become the ultimate bike ride destination in the world, if only we can get our officials to evolve their thinking.

Personally I would appreciate a game drive service in your neck of the woods.  Those sand dune roads would kill me on the S10.  :eek7:

Keep up the good work, you are on to something.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Shutter_Eye on December 26, 2013, 08:37:53 am

3. All the rules apply, if I would have complied with my 4x4, then why would I not comply when I use my bike.

I wish more bikers had that mentality. :thumleft:

The unfortunate reality is that many people  have this idea that if their bike can go there, we can go there.


Personally I would appreciate a game drive service in your neck of the woods.  Those sand dune roads would kill me on the S10.  :eek7:

Keep up the good work, you are on to something.


Well if you can handle the gravel road to get to us then riding inside is a dream - our internal roads are well maintained for all vehicle types, even low sedans. There's no sand and no tricky terrain.


On another note:
A VERY common thing that I've seen a hell of a lot of bikers do (even some who otherwise ride responsibly) is ride their bikes between the vehicle barrier poles and park them right at the front door.

Doing crap like that is the fastest way to get the authorities annoyed. When you are in a reserve your bike is as broad as a Hilux. Treat it like that - park in the designated parking areas, there's no need to park right against the front door.
If you want bikes to be treated equally with cars, then ride it equally too - people seem to forget that part.
Title: Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
Post by: Pistonpete on December 26, 2013, 11:08:03 am
9 out ten bikes are going to have a pipe on. Its up to the rider to respect the environment by keeping down the revs. A handy sign and pamphlet should ensure complience. Free game drives for bikers will only enhance this......good opportunities...... :thumleft: