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Title: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye - build up thread
Post by: Camelman on January 14, 2014, 08:22:52 am
2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
01 November 2014 to 08 November 2014

(http://amageza.com/web/images/about/2014_banner.jpg)

Foreword:
As you may or may not know every year has been a challenge for Amageza. We were the first and still are the longest Rallye-Raid type event in Southern Africa. Sponsors are also non-existent, so we must make do with what we got. This makes planning and executing the Amageza a tight operation. There is no room for error.

The objective once more for Amageza is:

Important: The Amageza website, http://amageza.com (http://amageza.com), should be your primary source of information. It is not possible to answer nor respond on all the various forums. Below is just a guide, the website and shopping cart has the specifics.

The duration of this year's event will be 8 days. This year we are having a 5 stage rallye. Starting in Upington in the Northern Cape the rallye will first move North into the Kalahari dunes, then work its way South to the finish in Cape Town. There will be one Marathon stage where you will have no trunk, no support. After starting the SS on the stage before you will ride with what you have on you, until reaching the bivouac the next day. We will have two days scrutineering and public events on the 1st and 2nd of November 2014 in Upington before starting the race on 03 November 2014. On the 8th we will have a morning prize-giving in a very public spot in Cape Town. Once I have signed the docs, I'll make the venue public.

We will also be using a deLorme Satellite tracker for each rider. They use the Iridium satellite network with 100% coverage everywhere. This means we can go safely off-piste in uncharted territory, and also make a interface public where viewers can watch live tracking of all the riders.

In 2013 we tried the instant reporting method via forums and facebook. This worked great. This year we will add to that by trying our hand at a live Youtube feed from the rallye ops center.

This year will also be a Motorsport South Africa sanctioned event. This will enable us to make spectator points available for those wishing to follow the rallye.

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for your support be it as a competitor or supporter. Without you the Amageza would just have stayed a idea.

Alexander

Summery

Before you click-away, just read the following please!
-> Entries available: There are only a limited number available due to the tracking units being ordered.
-> Read the contents of the 'Enter' tab, and all the sub-tabs. This will ease your pain a lot.
-> Shopping Cart: The entry mechanism for this year is a standard on-line shopping cart. Buy what you need. The mandatory products are:
-> Discount are applicable up to 30% for competitors who had entered a previous Amageza. It does not matter if you finished or not. If you paid your entry fee, you are eligible for the discount. Discounts are applicable on the Moto Entry and Competitor Entry only. If you fall in the category, first register and wait until I place you in the correct discount category, then add your products.
-> Support Vehicles: Are allowed this year. If you and your buddies form a team of 5 riders or more, you get your team entry free. One vehicle per team. Support vehicles are allowed on the Liaison and Bivouac. I know that this may be a bone of contention, but many riders have fallen out due to something stupid like a broken chain, while on the liaison. Because he has to now wait for the recovery truck, or recover himself to the nearest town, he cannot get to the Selective Section, thus loosing out on the stage, and the finishers medal. The cheapest option is still to race in the 'Unsupported' category, ie. Malle Moto. See the shopping cart description for specifics.
-> Accommodation: The bivouac will be located in a town. There will be various options available to you. There is no need to sleep in the bivouac. Those wishing too, must pack there own tent daily in the trunk for transport, and put it up themselves. You can purchase a Camping Spot on the cart.
-> Meals: Same thing as accommodation. You can purchase meals from the cart or eat when and where you feel like. Some want to eat at 05:00, others can't. This makes it your choice.
->Refunds: This is always a b!tch to administrate, so make sure you choose correct before you check-out. Within 7 days of payment you can get a full refund, after that only 50%. No matter what your reason. It costs about R15000 to recce one stage. This money comes from the entry fee's. If too many riders cancel, Amageza goes into the red. That puts massive strain on my marriage!  ;D
->Entry Form and Rules: This is available from the cart when logged in, once your status is 'Complete'. Its complete when your 'Competitor Entry' order is paid. Why?
-> Payment: Pay what you order. Buying a meal package does not mean you have reserved a entry. As long as all you require is paid by 1 August 2014. Start with the most important, then follow with the rest:
-> Questions: If you have a issue with anything email or call me. Nobody on this forum can help you with your question quicker than a email to me will sort you out!  :3some:

Let the mayhem begin!  >:D

http://amageza.com/web/index.html (http://amageza.com/web/index.html)

Lets all give WayneH a hand for once more creating a great banner for us!  :thumleft:

2014/02/02 Entry Requirement
Please review the website 'terms' section. Hit F5 if it lists requirements to enter. It should just show you a single paragraph.

2014/07/19 Regulations
We have exemption for the route for non-roadworthy vehicles. But if you get caught off-route on a chicken-run, then you're on your own. The exemption is only valid for routes applied for. Anything else is illegal.

You as a individual still needs to be licensed according to your engine size:

2014/07/21
You need a mirror so you can see the guy foaming at the mouth trying to pass you, and before he injures himself or you, let him pass or he can lodge a complaint with the Clerk of the Course and you can get a time penalty.

You don't need indicators if you have arms.

You don't need a license plate if you stay on route.

You need 1 litre of fixed water to your bike, and 2 litre on your back.

You need fuel for 275km.

You need a drivers license as stipulated on aforementioned website!

You need a MSA club license or temp one.

Other than this, you need everything listed on the entry form. The entry form is available for download once you paid your competitor entry. If you're not going to commit, then why do you want to download it?  :deal:

2014/08/01
First round of entries close. Further entries are available till 1 September 2014, but no discounts are applicable. The Iridium Satellite tracker is still available for all entries till 1 September 2014.

2014/08/15
The rules are available for download:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on January 14, 2014, 10:08:18 am
I'M IN  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 14, 2014, 10:37:42 am
I'M IN  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

And so it begins. 10% of entries already taken. Julle vattiek@kie!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Brandt on January 14, 2014, 10:52:17 am
This is going to be awesome, I think it is Africa's next Dakar in the making  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Crossed-up on January 14, 2014, 10:56:01 am
Yeehaa!

I'm available for marshal duties.  Let me know if I can help in any way.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 14, 2014, 11:29:36 am
Yeehaa!

I'm available for marshal duties.  Let me know if I can help in any way.

You know the same crew will be there! We're all amageza!  :drif:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 14, 2014, 11:43:55 am
 :deal:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on January 14, 2014, 11:52:31 am
I'm in as well and no TPS failure this time, I'm bringing the 500!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on January 14, 2014, 12:10:27 pm
Gee wat het van n inflasie verwante verhoging vir inskrywingsgelde geword.  Meer as dubbeld die prys?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Rokie on January 14, 2014, 12:22:50 pm
Great initiative.

Strength to strength!!!

One day when I'm big . . .
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 14, 2014, 12:40:06 pm
Gee wat het van n inflasie verwante verhoging vir inskrywingsgelde geword.  Meer as dubbeld die prys?

Amper dubbel die afstand ;)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 14, 2014, 12:40:41 pm
My money is in! See you guys 1 November.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Brandt on January 14, 2014, 12:41:12 pm
Gee wat het van n inflasie verwante verhoging vir inskrywingsgelde geword.  Meer as dubbeld die prys?

Amper dubbel die afstand ;)
Wat ek ook gedink het  :thumleft: Meer dae......
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scrat on January 14, 2014, 01:56:54 pm
NICE!! :ricky: :ricky:

EK is da!  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 14, 2014, 02:47:44 pm
Subs...

Bit more than I hoped for, but where can a Saffer do a 5 day roadbook ralley for this money anyway. Will make a decision during the next few days. If entries fill up before then so be it.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2014, 03:16:06 pm
In!

Roll on Kalahari dunes!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Brandt on January 14, 2014, 03:20:57 pm
In!

Roll on Kalahari dunes!
Are you doing it with the 950 again?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 14, 2014, 04:09:01 pm
In!!

The heart's pounding already ...........
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2014, 04:32:27 pm
In!

Roll on Kalahari dunes!
Are you doing it with the 950 again?

Of course!

Very dependable. Low maintenance. No oil changes. Comfortable. Fast over most stuff and very fast over the open stuff. Perfect for dunes.

Of course it's heavy, thirsty and doesn't slow down too well, but one can't have everything.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 14, 2014, 05:26:28 pm
Jealous.  Very jealous.  So much of jealous I cant think of something nasty to say.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: africanSky on January 14, 2014, 06:16:39 pm
In :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 14, 2014, 07:36:57 pm
I'm planning a string of cash-in-transit withdrawals over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 14, 2014, 07:46:51 pm
LOL!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 14, 2014, 08:34:45 pm
Entered, let's do this!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Milla on January 14, 2014, 08:50:54 pm
Liewe hel, ek het die regte tool vir die job, die 690 sal tog te mooi werk vir die Amageze. Maar dis net te ver om te kan se of ek dit sal kan maak of nie.. :'(
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 14, 2014, 09:03:00 pm
Liewe hel, ek het die regte tool vir die job, die 690 sal tog te mooi werk vir die Amageze. Maar dis net te ver om te kan se of ek dit sal kan maak of nie.. :'(

They say that the only sureties in life is Death and Taxes. Well you can add the Amageza to that list. Death, Taxes and a Ass Kicking Amageza!  >:D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Milla on January 14, 2014, 09:09:58 pm
Trust me, it's VERY tempting :drif:. Especially with the current Dakar hype that's floating around.. :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 14, 2014, 09:32:14 pm
Camelman, is facebook vrot of the Amageza yet? And the twitter channels? Are all the wifes and girlfriends notified yet!?  They are our supporters and ultimately, they balance the books!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Andy660 on January 14, 2014, 11:45:21 pm
Will the Marshall's be given Cones  for the sun again ???

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/AMAGESA/Coneheads_zpsec0e3cfc.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/hunday/media/AMAGESA/Coneheads_zpsec0e3cfc.jpg.html)
And to encourage the stragglers !

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/AMAGESA/1381594_10151748953151025_787265395_n_zps0fbbc87c.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/hunday/media/AMAGESA/1381594_10151748953151025_787265395_n_zps0fbbc87c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 14, 2014, 11:51:22 pm
Hentie and myself have something in planning stages :thumleft:

Wer'e thinking of entering a 4 man sponsored Rally team................probably with back-up
Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................That is - if I don't hit a jackpot somewhere and buy a 500, 525 or 530 Katoom for the job
I know of a sure 30K inbound that can be applied just for this.
I am almost 100% sure that I am going to enter............just need some slight planning first


and by the way............... 7-11 is my birthday
Just think what a pressie like this can be for yourself?? :biggrin: ;D :biggrin: ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 15, 2014, 05:30:43 am
Camelman this is FANTASTIC STUFF!!!

 :ricky:   :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:

Sticky'd this thread. 

A comment in general if I may: If you want to do this thing, DO IT. Don't come here and bla bla bla like typical South Africans and back out when it starts getting close/too difficult/too expensive/too busy etc etc etc. You have 8 months to get ready for this. If you tell us you're going to do it and then you don't, your words will still be here thread for all of us to read forever.

You only live once. If you think you can do it go for it. Its going to be hard though. Hard to get to the start, and hard to finish.

Hentie and myself have something in planning stages :thumleft:

Wer'e thinking of entering a 4 man sponsored Rally team................probably with back-up
Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................That is - if I don't hit a jackpot somewhere and buy a 500, 525 or 530 Katoom for the job
I know of a sure 30K inbound that can be applied just for this.
I am almost 100% sure that I am going to enter............just need some slight planning first


and by the way............... 7-11 is my birthday
Just think what a pressie like this can be for yourself?? :biggrin: ;D :biggrin: ;D

Okay if you are in I am in!

Now I'm in so you have to be in. Sponsor shmonsher - Cool idea but not sure about it in practice.

I don't have the money to get home to RSA right now. The mining business is very tough at the moment. I have a bike that has not been ridden in months. I wont have enough time to prep it. But somehow I will manage.

Whats your excuse?  :deal:   >:D 

 :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 15, 2014, 07:39:57 am
Camelman this is FANTASTIC STUFF!!!

 :ricky:   :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:

Sticky'd this thread. 

A comment in general if I may: If you want to do this thing, DO IT. Don't come here and bla bla bla like typical South Africans and back out when it starts getting close/too difficult/too expensive/too busy etc etc etc. You have 8 months to get ready for this. If you tell us you're going to do it and then you don't, your words will still be here thread for all of us to read forever.

You only live once. If you think you can do it go for it. Its going to be hard though. Hard to get to the start, and hard to finish.

Hentie and myself have something in planning stages :thumleft:

Wer'e thinking of entering a 4 man sponsored Rally team................probably with back-up
Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................That is - if I don't hit a jackpot somewhere and buy a 500, 525 or 530 Katoom for the job
I know of a sure 30K inbound that can be applied just for this.
I am almost 100% sure that I am going to enter............just need some slight planning first


and by the way............... 7-11 is my birthday
Just think what a pressie like this can be for yourself?? :biggrin: ;D :biggrin: ;D

Okay if you are in I am in!

Now I'm in so you have to be in. Sponsor shmonsher - Cool idea but not sure about it in practice.

I don't have the money to get home to RSA right now. The mining business is very tough at the moment. I have a bike that has not been ridden in months. I wont have enough time to prep it. But somehow I will manage.

Whats your excuse?  :deal:   >:D 

 :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:



How very true - It's gonna be hard to get to the start and even harder to get home from the finish - but we've got 8 months to organise something that would really only take a day or 2.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 15, 2014, 08:12:30 am
Camelman this is FANTASTIC STUFF!!!

 :ricky:   :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:    :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:
 :ricky:     :thumleft:

Sticky'd this thread. 

A comment in general if I may: If you want to do this thing, DO IT. Don't come here and bla bla bla like typical South Africans and back out when it starts getting close/too difficult/too expensive/too busy etc etc etc. You have 8 months to get ready for this. If you tell us you're going to do it and then you don't, your words will still be here thread for all of us to read forever.

You only live once. If you think you can do it go for it. Its going to be hard though. Hard to get to the start, and hard to finish.

Hentie and myself have something in planning stages :thumleft:

Wer'e thinking of entering a 4 man sponsored Rally team................probably with back-up
Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................That is - if I don't hit a jackpot somewhere and buy a 500, 525 or 530 Katoom for the job
I know of a sure 30K inbound that can be applied just for this.
I am almost 100% sure that I am going to enter............just need some slight planning first


and by the way............... 7-11 is my birthday
Just think what a pressie like this can be for yourself?? :biggrin: ;D :biggrin: ;D

Okay if you are in I am in!

Now I'm in so you have to be in. Sponsor shmonsher - Cool idea but not sure about it in practice.

I don't have the money to get home to RSA right now. The mining business is very tough at the moment. I have a bike that has not been ridden in months. I wont have enough time to prep it. But somehow I will manage.

Whats your excuse?  :deal:   >:D 

 :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:  :ricky:


:laughing4:
Great Niel :thumleft:
Looking forward to see you again!
Wer'e surely going to have a hell of an afterparty in CT!
Its been a while and lots have happened
You sure your leg is going to be fine?
No tears and wimpering allowed :o
Remember - pissies will never be heroes! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
3000 k's over 5 days - daily distance directly in line with the Dakar.
It all depends on the length of the daily special stages - in any case - its gonna be a tough one!
Whether I do it with the SE or another bike...................iv'e got a hell of a lot of prepping to do until then

See you in Uppington on 1 Nov :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 15, 2014, 08:20:02 am
Hentie and myself have something in planning stages :thumleft:

Wer'e thinking of entering a 4 man sponsored Rally team................probably with back-up
Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................That is - if I don't hit a jackpot somewhere and buy a 500, 525 or 530 Katoom for the job
I know of a sure 30K inbound that can be applied just for this.
I am almost 100% sure that I am going to enter............just need some slight planning first


and by the way............... 7-11 is my birthday
Just think what a pressie like this can be for yourself?? :biggrin: ;D :biggrin: ;D
Yes lets do it  :deal:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on January 15, 2014, 09:39:35 am
Gee wat het van n inflasie verwante verhoging vir inskrywingsgelde geword.  Meer as dubbeld die prys?

Amper dubbel die afstand ;)

Jip, still wanna do it.  But my current wife will crack if she finds out how much it's costing!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 15, 2014, 10:58:58 am
@Bluebull2007

It will be AWESOME to see you again Neil. I'm sure you are one with the saying ''N BOER MAAK 'N PLAN'!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: weskus on January 15, 2014, 11:06:48 am
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 15, 2014, 11:21:06 am
Camelman, perhaps you should add a list of paid entries/partial at the top(your first post)
130Robert AdamsWR450F Rally Custom
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 15, 2014, 11:45:07 am
Nee o donerdag.  >:(

I have a 5 day race to plan! One man guys. Okay 1.357689324. (I get some help from Wayne and others when they can)

Lets just make it like a 'Planning a Ride'. You post your name and if you are paid or partial. Lets see how honest everyone is. I'll mark it and allocate race numbers according to truthfulness!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2014, 11:47:36 am
Yeehaa!

I'm available for marshal duties.  Let me know if I can help in any way.

You know the same crew will be there! We're all amageza!  :drif:

AWESOME! Can't wait to be part of the Amageza again!   :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2014, 12:05:49 pm
This looks fantastic!  :sip: Suuuuub.

Best of luck to everyone!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: tour on January 15, 2014, 03:45:41 pm
aan ALEXANDER THE GREAT est

Ek se sommer nou ek soek asb weer my lucky nommer 103  :headbang:

by voorbaat dank
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 15, 2014, 04:31:25 pm
aan ALEXANDER THE GREAT est

Ek se sommer nou ek soek asb weer my lucky nommer 103  :headbang:

by voorbaat dank

Met trane in my hart en bloed in my oe: NEE

Van hierdie jaar af word die nommers uitgedeel volgens jou 'finishing times' van die vorige jaar!

Vir die nuwelinge, volgens die 'Fully Paid' status.

Sorry tjom!  :-\
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hando on January 15, 2014, 04:39:56 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scrat on January 15, 2014, 04:42:13 pm
aan ALEXANDER THE GREAT est

Ek se sommer nou ek soek asb weer my lucky nommer 103  :headbang:

by voorbaat dank

Met trane in my hart en bloed in my oe: NEE

Van hierdie jaar af word die nommers uitgedeel volgens jou 'finishing times' van die vorige jaar!

Vir die nuwelinge, volgens die 'Fully Paid' status.

Sorry tjom!  :-\

Aaaaah ge neeeee.... :P

ek dog daai eerste 3 nommers is "reserved" ?  :pot:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Kevin_ZA on January 15, 2014, 06:27:32 pm

Kamanya - if you can do it on your bigbore - so can I on the SE
.................




Wer'e surely going to have a hell of an afterparty in CT!


GROOT K*K looming...
Very very keen but my bones and skill level is questionable on the big bike (SE )
Need a 500 !!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Kevin_ZA on January 15, 2014, 06:28:49 pm
Gee wat het van n inflasie verwante verhoging vir inskrywingsgelde geword.  Meer as dubbeld die prys?

Amper dubbel die afstand ;)

Jip, still wanna do it.  But my current wife will crack if she finds out how much it's costing!

Even grooter K*K looming  !!!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: lamo on January 15, 2014, 10:23:55 pm
Trying to gather some kzn troops
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 15, 2014, 10:36:45 pm
You know im in ^.^
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Minxy on January 16, 2014, 07:38:54 am
Exciting stuff :D

:sip:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 16, 2014, 08:22:09 am
Entry in!

 :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2014, 12:40:38 pm
Entry in!

 :ricky:


On the TTR? I will be watching with interest. Respect.  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 16, 2014, 12:54:38 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Sprocketbek on January 16, 2014, 01:06:02 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)


Bring jou kamera saam, ons kan doen met nog ouens wat kan fotos neem!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Brandt on January 16, 2014, 01:08:34 pm
Think I must take some leave and attend this as spectator  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hando on January 16, 2014, 02:06:58 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)


Bring jou kamera saam, ons kan doen met nog ouens wat kan fotos neem!

That would have gone without saying.

You think I want to go there to be pitcrew ???

How else am I going to get away and out there to take pics ?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on January 16, 2014, 02:09:03 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)


Bring jou kamera saam, ons kan doen met nog ouens wat kan fotos neem!

That would have gone without saying.

You think I want to go there to be pitcrew ???

How else am I going to get away and out there to take pics ?
Jy gaan jou moer suur werk  :deal:  :lol8:  :lol8:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 16, 2014, 02:11:40 pm
Entry in!

 :ricky:


On the TTR? I will be watching with interest. Respect.  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Jip... If there are massive dunes, power might be an issue, but should not have issues anywhere else.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 16, 2014, 03:21:57 pm
Think I must take some leave and attend this as spectator  :thumleft:

Ek Brandt om saam te gaan  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: T9ER on January 16, 2014, 08:43:29 pm
Just registered. ... Malle Moto for sure. In a tent the way it should be..... Hope I don't regret that.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 17, 2014, 01:39:38 pm
Registered...
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 17, 2014, 04:32:25 pm
Registered...
lekka!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 17, 2014, 05:19:59 pm
Any news on the Requirement:

"Completed a Amageza Racing (Pty) Ltd approved course in Rally Racing"

Hopefully content will include tutoring on Roadbooking etc?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 19, 2014, 07:06:09 am
Any news on the Requirement:

"Completed a Amageza Racing (Pty) Ltd approved course in Rally Racing"

Hopefully content will include tutoring on Roadbooking etc?


The answer and reasoning behind this is as follows:

When done with the course, the rider must understand the following and have the ability to train himself further:

To do the Amageza is the most be one of the most difficult things you can do on a bike. To do low level flying over anything from 'Roof' style rocks to 'Botswana 1000' style sand tracks and two stages of dunes, while reading of a road-book, monitoring your ICO and following a compass heading, takes training and commitment. Other than the Dakar, 80% of all your waypoints are hidden. This makes the Amageza more difficult to navigate than the Dakar.

Doing a course, then completing a shortened rally stage will give you the idea if this is for you or not. The guys who have done a Roof, or Botswana 1000 have a understanding of this, although they might need training in roadbook navigation, and when asked the question, 'did you know what you were getting yourself into?' the answer can only be 'Yip'.

It is easy to promise the world and throw in some photo's of dunes and the massive adventure. But we can't accept your entry fee with a clear conscience if I am not convinced that you are prepared and have a plausible chance to make the finish line.

I am just waiting for some guys to come back from the Dakar before we finalize the training school. I'll give them a week to rest.  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 19, 2014, 07:33:10 am
Thanks for the further clarity  :thumleft:  - all makes absolute sense and I support your position on accountability regarding potential entrants. I think this relates in part to the problem that the Roof has experienced recently in the Bronze class with larger numbers of weekend warriors creating a congestion circus ... guys out of their depth but adament that it is on their 'bucket list' and so must get the badge or t-shirt or whatever at all cost!  ::) 
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 19, 2014, 08:08:48 pm
A short video from the 2013 Amageza Rallye… to wet the appetite  :drif:


http://www.youtube.com/v/DL4BEvaIwJ0
http://www.youtube.com/v/UV8AJNYHIGc
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 19, 2014, 09:48:34 pm
cool  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 20, 2014, 08:30:08 am
Out training. Haha.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7460/12045707783_80491ffa36_b.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3702/12045707823_9dd8b78a2e_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/12045808874_d6a7263bed_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 20, 2014, 02:00:25 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)


Bring jou kamera saam, ons kan doen met nog ouens wat kan fotos neem!

That would have gone without saying.

You think I want to go there to be pitcrew ???

How else am I going to get away and out there to take pics ?
Jy gaan jou moer suur werk  :deal:  :lol8:  :lol8:
Bikes was, olie en filters ruil, tyres change, dop aandra, kouse was, gatte afvee ens.........................
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Hando on January 20, 2014, 02:15:58 pm
Somehow vermoed ek , ek gaan deel word van Amageza of ek wil of  nie.

Hentie het klaar vanoggend begin praat van mechanic en backup crew etc. nudge nudge wink wink.




Ok, hy het nie , maar ek hoop hy vang die skimp.
Noted  :deal:  ;)


Bring jou kamera saam, ons kan doen met nog ouens wat kan fotos neem!

That would have gone without saying.

You think I want to go there to be pitcrew ???

How else am I going to get away and out there to take pics ?
Jy gaan jou moer suur werk  :deal:  :lol8:  :lol8:
Bikes was, olie en filters ruil, tyres change, dop aandra, kouse was, gatte afvee ens.........................
 :ricky:

Nope. not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: mkruger on January 20, 2014, 04:23:46 pm
Ek is in
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: mkruger on January 20, 2014, 04:26:23 pm
Moet nou net 'n bank roof
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 20, 2014, 06:52:05 pm
Ek is in

Awesome, Marthinus  :thumleft:  ...Just leave the wire fences alone this time, please.  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 21, 2014, 09:58:43 am

 :o 24x confirmed entries, in the first week   :deal: 



 :ricky: Buckle your seat-belt Dorothy… this is gonna be an incredible ride.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 21, 2014, 09:59:29 am
Wild!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Brandt on January 21, 2014, 10:10:18 am
I have tweeted the link of Amageza to Charley, let see if he is up to the challenge  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 21, 2014, 10:31:33 am
Out training. Haha.

Nice pics!

Those 690's jump well for a fat bike hey...  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 21, 2014, 03:31:11 pm
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 22, 2014, 02:19:11 pm
What fuel capacity is required?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 22, 2014, 02:25:17 pm
Ok, I have some questions regarding the support vehicles (I tried to find this info in the guide and online, apologies if I missed it):

1. What is the cost of entering one support vehicle and one support team member (and what is free if you enter a team of 5, vehicle or support team member entry)?

2. What equipment is compulsory for them? (e.g. Radio, GPS, roadbook ect).

3. Where can they sleep, do they also buy the camping option per person?

Have some mates who are interested.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 22, 2014, 02:26:23 pm
What fuel capacity is required?

Max dist between fill ups is 250 km.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 22, 2014, 02:49:55 pm
What fuel capacity is required?

last year was 250km not sure about this year yet
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 22, 2014, 03:42:09 pm
What fuel capacity is required?

Max dist between fill ups is 250 km.

What is that on a 450, 20L?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 22, 2014, 04:06:02 pm
What fuel capacity is required?

Max dist between fill ups is 250 km.

What is that on a 450, 20L?

FI, yes, Carb... would be cutting it close!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 22, 2014, 04:18:37 pm
Ok, I have some questions regarding the support vehicles (I tried to find this info in the guide and online, apologies if I missed it):

1. What is the cost of entering one support vehicle and one support team member (and what is free if you enter a team of 5, vehicle or support team member entry)?

2. What equipment is compulsory for them? (e.g. Radio, GPS, roadbook ect).

3. Where can they sleep, do they also buy the camping option per person?

Have some mates who are interested.

Email Alex directly - you'll get quick answers (let us know what they are)

As far as I can tell the support crew pays zip, except for the food and camping packages - I hope so at least. All I really need is one oke in a car to get me to upington and back from CT, AND take me home if I bomb out in between. I'd still send the trommels with the amageza truck, just in case the support vehicle/crew has a problem.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 22, 2014, 04:20:29 pm
Ok, I have some questions regarding the support vehicles (I tried to find this info in the guide and online, apologies if I missed it):

1. What is the cost of entering one support vehicle and one support team member (and what is free if you enter a team of 5, vehicle or support team member entry)?

2. What equipment is compulsory for them? (e.g. Radio, GPS, roadbook ect).

3. Where can they sleep, do they also buy the camping option per person?

Have some mates who are interested.

Email Alex directly - you'll get quick answers (let us know what they are)

As far as I can tell the support crew pays zip, except for the food and camping packages - I hope so at least. All I really need is one oke in a car to get me to upington and back from CT, AND take me home if I bomb out in between. I'd still send the trommels with the amageza truck, just in case the support vehicle/crew has a problem.
R1000 per support vehicle unless your "team" has 4 (maybe it was 5) people I think?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 23, 2014, 07:25:32 am
Good morning gents!

It is not possible for me to read and answer all the questions raised across the worlds forums, so I stick to reading email and making sure that the info is present on the website.

Your primary source of information should be the Amageza website: http://amageza.com (http://amageza.com). Specifics of each purchasable item is described in the shopping cart, accessible on the aforementioned website.

The Dakar also have fuel stops at a max of 250km. They still ride with 32l of fuel each. Why?


Like you riding gear and helmet, you have it for the critical chance that you might need it.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 23, 2014, 03:16:29 pm
Ok, I have some questions regarding the support vehicles (I tried to find this info in the guide and online, apologies if I missed it):
1. What is the cost of entering one support vehicle and one support team member (and what is free if you enter a team of 5, vehicle or support team member entry)?

Cost is R1000 per support crew, for the length of the rallye. This cost is for the crew (2x support people).

Support crew will be allowed access to the Bivouac area. They will have a number.

A Support Crew entry consists of:
- A single vehicle with a trailer.
- A maximum of two support personal. Email entry@amageza.com to enquire about larger support crews.
- Each competitor is allowed a single Support Crew Team entry.
- A single support vehicle can support a maximum of 5 competitors.

If 5 riders enter as a team, a single Support Crew entry is free for the team. This means you will not need to pay the R1000 for the support crew (the service spot at every bivouac). So chat to your mates and form a team.

2. What equipment is compulsory for them? (e.g. Radio, GPS, roadbook ect).

Support crew are totally self sufficiant. No recovery or medical support wll be rendered by the orginizers.
No compulsory equipment required… but the following will come in handy: GPS (to nav to bivouacs & along the liaisons - if you choose), water container, First Aid kit, field camping equipment if you have to overnight in the bush).

3. Where can they sleep, do they also buy the camping option per person?
Have some mates who are interested.

Meal and Camp products can be purchased online. But each Support Crew Team will automatically have a single spot allocated to them - this is in the service area. So your support crew can sleep on the same spot… if they are comfortable sleeping with earplugs. If not, they can get an additional camping package @ R375 per person, for the length of the rallye race days (3rd to the 7th November).

 ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 23, 2014, 04:29:20 pm
I would be interested in contributing as part of a team of EC guys with a Support Crew ...
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 24, 2014, 03:02:50 pm
I would be interested in contributing as part of a team of EC guys with a Support Crew ...

Hi Dom, Try hook up with Darthvader, saklx650c & REVS… all three are rallye riders living in your woods.  :deal:  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 24, 2014, 03:11:54 pm
I would be interested in contributing as part of a team of EC guys with a Support Crew ...

Hi Dom, Try hook up with Darthvader, saklx650c & REVS… all three are rallye riders living in your woods.  :deal:  ;D

Cool thanks.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: bonova on January 24, 2014, 04:39:41 pm
I've registered. Haven't paid yet as i'm broke....long story, but soon as my salary is in i'm in!
already started to warm up my right wrist so that it can hold the throttle full open for hours on end!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 24, 2014, 04:44:05 pm
Just something to think about guys: In sand dunes you will only get 250km with about 32L and not a lot to spare. I'm sure the Orga has thought about this in terms of their fuels stops. I guess that the range they are talking about is 250km on a semi sandy road.

Wayneh, maybe you can tell us a bit more about this?

Anyway I would not be comfortable with anything less than 20L...25L would probably be a better idea.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 28, 2014, 07:36:19 am
Added another tyre transport to the trunk/tyre transport product. Transport for the following is now included in the package:

Why three?

Your front should last you easily unless you have a epic disaster. So one spare front is enough. The rear you might want to change on stage three as stage 4 and 5 are most likely to be a marathon stage with absolutely no support, not even your trommel. What you have on you is what you have. So pack a extra jock in your Camalbak.  ;D

To keep up with current development you might want to keep a eye on the Amageza News: http://amageza.com (http://amageza.com). Click on the 'News' tab.

If this marathon stage happens  (still sorting this one out), we will provide the basic necessities,  it will be over the legendary stage of Springbok to Cape Town via Sutherland.  >:D And we all know Sutherland, don't we. Weather is created there.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: nelf13 on January 28, 2014, 08:23:49 am
This is going to be an epic race :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: bonova on January 28, 2014, 12:14:26 pm
Paid for my competitor entry.... so Rider 101 is green for GO!!!!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 28, 2014, 01:05:31 pm
I have been meaning to email Alex but I still think I should say, that before I pay almost R15000 of my hard earned cash as well as everything else needed to prep my bike, I would like to know exactly what is needed to enter and pass scrutinizing. As far as the entries state any bike can enter but then you start thinking and reading about fuel stops, on board water, etc. And now the cost of entering and prepping my bike are escalating.. I now see you will get the rules once you have entered but I would not be able to budget properly and know if I can afford to race this year before entering and paying. I certainly don't have the cash to fork out on extra things to be able to participate and enjoy myself beyond my budget. Can anyone maybe help me clear this up or perhaps have the rules already and willing to share them with me. I really would love to race this year and made it a goal for this year. Then again I may be overly concerned as I have never ridden a rally before.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 28, 2014, 02:48:52 pm
Paid and IN!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 28, 2014, 04:21:45 pm
aka.Goliath, I think the starting point is to go through the Amageza 2013 thread - It will give you a good idea of what is needed. Check out the Index in this forum for all Amageza and rally related stuff (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=129030.0). :deal:

Without trying to be funny, half the battle with an event like this is getting to the start - it is not going to be handed to you on a plate. If that sounds a bit unfair, don't forget this is the toughest race in Southern Africa, if not Africa. Its important to do your homework.

Paid and IN!

This is great! Does this mean we will get to read a legendary RR about this as well?

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 28, 2014, 05:05:22 pm
aka.goliath, there's nothing special you don't know already. I can't recall the rules but I read through them and nothing jumped out at me that I need worry about.

250ks between fuel stops
1 litre on-board water - I'll be hiding 2 x 500ml coke bottles somewhere on the bike, or similar
2-way radio - you gotta have one, no matter what the specs are
roadbook
ICO - I'm trying to work around this one
Garmin GPS able to record 10000 points
All your snacks, drinks and other food not in the price you'd be buying anyway

Besides what I'm gonna give to Amageza I'm counting on another R5k for transport and accomodation in CT somewhere.

I've never ridden a rally but besides navigating with a pictured toilet roll, the terrain and the bike are gonna be the same as usual

E-mail Alex - he answered a couple queries I had very quickly.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 28, 2014, 05:14:31 pm
Do not forget the cost of doing one of their 'qualifying rally courses' - not sure where they will be held. Also I think the onboard water will be at least 3 litres compulsory. A specced first aid kit also rings a bell and probably includes space blanket.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 28, 2014, 06:05:08 pm
No grass growing under the Amageza 2014 entries  :deal:

 :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 28, 2014, 07:39:19 pm
.

Paid and IN!

This is great! Does this mean we will get to read a legendary RR about this as well?

I'm hoping I'm going to have a bland, untroubled (and yet no doubt tough) passage to the finish. Not worthy of a ride report. Haha. Fat chance!

Researching drone batteries so I can get one to follow me on every special. ;)

Met Darthvader at a Cape Town bar this eve. Hopefully I can get some of the veterans to take me under their arm!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 29, 2014, 08:35:07 am
Do not forget the cost of doing one of their 'qualifying rally courses' - not sure where they will be held. Also I think the onboard water will be at least 3 litres compulsory. A specced first aid kit also rings a bell and probably includes space blanket.

Rally Course: Won't be to steep. The idea is to get you to have a better understanding of what you are getting yourself into. This is a requirement of the Consumer Act. I can take your entry fee and you will fall out inside 1km into the SS, or I can give you a better understanding of what you are getting yourself into, and ensure you have a fighting chance of completing the stage, and race.

Water One litre in a hard shelled protected container physically mounted to your bike. This is so if you go over your bars and burst your hydra-pack, then you have at least some water to survive with. A litre is the bare minimum. A incident can very quickly become a accident in 40deg with no water.

As I have said before. Email me with your q's. Its not possible for me to monitor all the forums around the world.

If you are really interested in doing the race, pay your Competitor Entry Fee and get access to the rules, etc.

Time to jump out out of the frying pan into the fire!  >:D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 29, 2014, 11:01:02 am
Alex

How big are the (rented) trackers we are putting on the bikes? Trying to work out whether a rally-lite setup will handle the gear...

shot
Ian
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 29, 2014, 12:35:38 pm
Maybe the tracker can go in your backpack  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 29, 2014, 12:59:17 pm
Maybe the tracker can go in your backpack  :thumleft:

I hope so, not keen to have more nonsense on my bars.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 29, 2014, 01:35:34 pm
Heard from Alex - it can! So rally-lite setup with just road book, GPS and one ICO could do the job plenty well for the Amageza...
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Rynet on January 31, 2014, 05:47:50 am
Is it too early to start getting excited.  :peepwall:

and I'm not even riding  . :imaposer:

Well done guys , am following everyone's prepping progress with interest.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 31, 2014, 08:43:06 am
Question for you experts:
what is better - higher or lower handlebars?
I am short at 1.72m, want to know do I put the steering damper over or under?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 31, 2014, 08:44:11 am
Question for you experts:
what is better - higher or lower handlebars?
I am short at 1.72m, want to know do I put the steering damper over or under?
I would say have the bars the height that you are comfy with and then work around that
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 31, 2014, 09:19:05 am
Question for you experts:
what is better - higher or lower handlebars?
I am short at 1.72m, want to know do I put the steering damper over or under?
I would say have the bars the height that you are comfy with and then work around that

currently at standard height with no damper. it feels a little low when standing, maybe its just me being used to an Adv bike. What is better for the long distances?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 31, 2014, 09:23:20 am
An underbar damper position is safer in as much that it does not take the family jewels with it if you go over the bars  :o. Further the control arm is shorter and inevitably more direct and reduces possibility of flex. Aesthetically neater. Some may argue it is less accessible but generally the adjustment you do on the fly once set up is pretty minimal - a few clicks here or there in my experience.

Regarding bars - you do not want to hang on them and generally the lower the more control (look at MX bikes) - keeps weight forward. As such you are probably lucky to be short as further issues start when standing. This is where one is tempted to add risers for comfort if you are taller but inevitably at the expense of handling (I know as this is my dilemma). If an underbar damper setup raises your bars slightly it is not normally a big problem. Also you get bars in different sweeps and heights so you could then fit a lower bar of necessary if you feel the OEM's make the whole setup too high (I did this with my HP2). You want a bar that allows you to feel comfortable in terms of not being stretched outward or inward (chest dimesion will determine) and adjusted forward or backward so you are not over reaching. Pronation of wrists must be comfortable and not bent back too far otherwise you can not get your elbows up = which is what you want (in many ways the straighter the more your elbows will rise). Try a few bars on friends bikes - often they will have the model and specs printed on them. If going for aftermarket buy the best you can afford - Pro-Taper and Renthal are very good.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 31, 2014, 09:31:03 am
 :thumleft: a lot of greek but I think I follow. with the under bar damper my bar will rise +-50mm, maybe to much for me?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 31, 2014, 09:32:15 am
apologies for the technical highjack!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 31, 2014, 10:30:17 am
:thumleft: a lot of greek but I think I follow. with the under bar damper my bar will rise +-50mm, maybe to much for me?

What bike we talking? I think you may find that it is a good compromise if you are feeling a bit bent over when standing (give you a bit of rise without overdoing it). and ja probably need to move this to Technical section.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 31, 2014, 11:17:17 am
:thumleft: a lot of greek but I think I follow. with the under bar damper my bar will rise +-50mm, maybe to much for me?

What bike we talking? I think you may find that it is a good compromise if you are feeling a bit bent over when standing (give you a bit of rise without overdoing it). and ja probably need to move this to Technical section.
it is also pretty interesting to have here
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 31, 2014, 03:39:25 pm
Interesting comments Big Dom :thumleft:

I would like understand why do you say having higher bars affects handling? :)

I found that having the bars slightly low made me feel like I was falling over the front, with too much weight on my hands. I felt more in control the higher the bars went.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on January 31, 2014, 06:26:37 pm
Interesting comments Big Dom :thumleft:

I would like understand why do you say having higher bars affects handling? :)

I found that having the bars slightly low made me feel like I was falling over the front, with too much weight on my hands. I felt more in control the higher the bars went.

I tend to agree with BB. When on my training bike with lower handlebars, my arms seem to get more tired. On the 690 with raised handle-bars, this never occurs. It seems that if the handle-bars is higher, one can stand up straighter and lean forward, thus taking some strain of the arms hanging onto the bars as some of the acceleration force is absorbed by your legs on the pegs.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 31, 2014, 06:49:00 pm
look, I'm not criticizing - I actually don't know and am seeking advice here. :scratch:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 31, 2014, 06:54:09 pm
My experience is not dissimilar to yours - I think it does depend on your height and riding style. Personally I have risers on all my bikes but am reasonably tall - I do not like to be crouched over the bars when standing and have a cricked neck. I have though been picked out about them by Jan du Toit and a few other accomplished riders. I would agree when standing and often sitting straight backed it is more comfortable but where I have experienced the dilemma is on technical hill climbs - it is more difficult to keep the front wheel down and the bars end up closer to you with less control - and also in some fast stuff where you want to be really over the front wheel. I guess it is different strokes for different folks. It would be interesting to move this to the Riding Tips section.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on January 31, 2014, 07:09:44 pm
We are all different heights and have different body/arm lengths plus have different postures that we are comfortable with - hence we have different preferences. A shorty can't speak for a tall person and vice versa.

This has been discussed 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times already  - let's stop this one going viral!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on February 02, 2014, 05:49:56 am
The 'Rally School' entry restriction has been lifted.  The guys who were going to open the school, changed their mind.  :-\

Please review the 'Terms and Conditions' section on the website. http://amageza.com/web/terms.html (http://amageza.com/web/terms.html)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Pleco on February 04, 2014, 02:57:26 pm
My experience is not dissimilar to yours - I think it does depend on your height and riding style. Personally I have risers on all my bikes but am reasonably tall - I do not like to be crouched over the bars when standing and have a cricked neck. I have though been picked out about them by Jan du Toit and a few other accomplished riders. I would agree when standing and often sitting straight backed it is more comfortable but where I have experienced the dilemma is on technical hill climbs - it is more difficult to keep the front wheel down and the bars end up closer to you with less control - and also in some fast stuff where you want to be really over the front wheel. I guess it is different strokes for different folks. It would be interesting to move this to the Riding Tips section.

Put your left foot on the passenger peg. Sorts out the bar in your face going up steep hills. Install a peg there if you don't have one. :thumleft:

Had to ride thesecond day of 2012 on the passenger peg, as the main peg broke off. Found out the passenger peg works well going up broekskeur.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: clutch on February 06, 2014, 07:14:45 am
Entered!!! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on February 06, 2014, 10:02:00 am
Is there somewhere where we can see how many & who have entered?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 06, 2014, 11:11:34 am
Will light a fire under some of my lazy arse mates if they see only 8... 7... 6... 5 more places left!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on February 06, 2014, 02:01:57 pm
Is there somewhere where we can see how many & who have entered?

At this stage:

32 Entered.
30 Paid or Partially Paid.

I only ordered 60 satellite tracking units, where-of 5 are for aircraft and crew. The way the dollar is going, that will be all we can afford this year. That means there are only 23 spots still available, and still 7 months to cut-off.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: harryhound on February 06, 2014, 09:24:36 pm
So if I understand there is only space for 55 riders and once that is achieved no more.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 06, 2014, 10:58:08 pm
Yes, probably less by now. I had better get my ass into gear

::)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Bill the Bong on February 07, 2014, 11:29:20 am
Selling my kidney
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 07, 2014, 03:27:51 pm
Selling my kidney

I can report life is fine with only 1. At least you'll have something to look forward to!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: harryhound on February 07, 2014, 10:19:18 pm
It is the 30 partially paid that still give me hope. History dictates they all not taking part :sip: :sip: :sip:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoodPb on February 07, 2014, 10:38:19 pm
Hey Harry , how's it going, you three entering again then :ricky:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: harryhound on February 08, 2014, 06:31:26 pm
Hey Lood we will c later after the Namakwa  are you three musketeers also going to give it a go.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoodPb on February 09, 2014, 02:35:49 pm
Jip, looks like it, I'll be there on something different this year though................ :peepwall:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on February 10, 2014, 08:05:54 am
Jip, looks like it, I'll be there on something different this year though................ :peepwall:

Hey Lood, good to see you entering again.  Show us what your weapon of choice is gonna be. Don't make a ou beg jong!!  ;D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on February 19, 2014, 06:25:44 am
A quick update for you racing-mad crazies!

I am in an advanced stage of negotiating with Botswana and Namibia, so expect route changes and epic Selective Sections this year! However, we will still start in Upington and finish in Cape Town.

So make sure you, your bike, and especially your navigation setup is tried and tested.

Keep your eye on the 'News' section on the Amageza Website ,http://amageza.com/web/news.html (http://amageza.com/web/news.html),  for the latest developments in the 'There can only be one' , Amageza Rallye!  >:D

For those of you riding the fence:  ;D

I am in a advanced stage negotiating with FIM Africa. We will have to ride using FIM Rally Rules 2015. Also 2015 we are very likely to be racing Cape Town to Lusaka, Zambia. This means that like Dakar, without any rally-raid experience, you may not be allowed to enter. Off-course, with Amageza 2012 and later under your belt, you will be allowed.

Like I have been preaching for years, DO IT WHILE ITS CHEAP!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 19, 2014, 11:16:17 am
QUADS????!!! ;)

Spent the last week scoping out some possible/likely routes in Richtersveld and Orange River/Pofadder surrounds. God it was hot!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Motties on February 19, 2014, 12:10:07 pm
Subs. Hope to be able to enter again :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on February 19, 2014, 01:51:23 pm
QUADS????!!! ;)

Spent the last week scoping out some possible/likely routes in Richtersveld and Orange River/Pofadder surrounds. God it was hot!

Now you don't really believe with all your heart that I'll draw a public map, tell you were we're going, then sit back and watch the guys ride every likely route do you?  ;)

Which means: Wherever you think we're going, we're not. Disinformation my bud, disinformation!

But at least you're training. Thats good!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 19, 2014, 02:30:21 pm
Haha. Exactly. Maybe I was really scoping dune sections along the Botswana border.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Biker Al on February 19, 2014, 02:46:54 pm
This has my Interest,

Would an XR 400 make it? They are dependable as anything, great in the difficult stuff but slow on the open.

On another thought, Is there a thread yet on what the ideal budget package would be should a person want to do this as a once off and then sell the bike? My first thought would be an XR 650 with a couple of extra bobs on. Should sell fairly easily if one wanted to after the trip. Just asked my Brothers if they would be keen to join me to hit it together.



Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 20, 2014, 08:37:35 am
There's a guy on this forum doing it on a 250 - I'm sure a XR400 with enough fuel would be fine. But I'm doing my first, so don't take my word for it...
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 20, 2014, 09:10:13 am
There's a guy on this forum doing it on a 250 - I'm sure a XR400 with enough fuel would be fine. But I'm doing my first, so don't take my word for it...

That will be me... but to be perfectly honest I'm starting to wonder about the wisdom of this move. The TTR is not a dune climbing monster, I found that out at Maraisburg a few weeks ago. If there are big ones in the Geza I'm going to have issues. Everything else I'm confident about. Range, weight, reliability, comfort.

A XR400 will do better on the dunes. 
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: SteveD on February 22, 2014, 06:21:49 pm
This has my Interest,
Would an XR 400 make it? They are dependable as anything, great in the difficult stuff but slow on the open.
On another thought, Is there a thread yet on what the ideal budget package would be should a person want to do this as a once off and then sell the bike? My first thought would be an XR 650 with a couple of extra bobs on. Should sell fairly easily if one wanted to after the trip. Just asked my Brothers if they would be keen to join me to hit it together.

There is a guy who rode his first Dakar in 2000 on an XR400. You may have heard of him? Cyril Despres? The only disadvantage is you may end up wearing a bandana and abandoning your friends in mud holes.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on February 22, 2014, 08:48:58 pm
Wow I didn't know that
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on February 23, 2014, 08:46:27 am
There's a guy on this forum doing it on a 250 - I'm sure a XR400 with enough fuel would be fine. But I'm doing my first, so don't take my word for it...

That will be me... but to be perfectly honest I'm starting to wonder about the wisdom of this move. The TTR is not a dune climbing monster, I found that out at Maraisburg a few weeks ago. If there are big ones in the Geza I'm going to have issues. Everything else I'm confident about. Range, weight, reliability, comfort.

A XR400 will do better on the dunes. 

Pieter, keep an eye open for when/if we ride maraisburg with the big bikes, I need to train and refine the 650 somewhere. It may have a bit more power but is as heavy as lead and dune riding on the heavies is all about momentum

Wasn't it N[]vA that used a 400 at last years amageza?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on February 23, 2014, 01:47:12 pm
There's a guy on this forum doing it on a 250 - I'm sure a XR400 with enough fuel would be fine. But I'm doing my first, so don't take my word for it...

That will be me... but to be perfectly honest I'm starting to wonder about the wisdom of this move. The TTR is not a dune climbing monster, I found that out at Maraisburg a few weeks ago. If there are big ones in the Geza I'm going to have issues. Everything else I'm confident about. Range, weight, reliability, comfort.

A XR400 will do better on the dunes. 

Pieter, keep an eye open for when/if we ride maraisburg with the big bikes, I need to train and refine the 650 somewhere. It may have a bit more power but is as heavy as lead and dune riding on the heavies is all about momentum

Wasn't it N[]vA that used a 400 at last years amageza?
a DRZ 424
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: g1_ on February 25, 2014, 04:15:07 pm
sub
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 27, 2014, 12:02:21 am
There's a guy on this forum doing it on a 250 - I'm sure a XR400 with enough fuel would be fine. But I'm doing my first, so don't take my word for it...

That will be me... but to be perfectly honest I'm starting to wonder about the wisdom of this move. The TTR is not a dune climbing monster, I found that out at Maraisburg a few weeks ago. If there are big ones in the Geza I'm going to have issues. Everything else I'm confident about. Range, weight, reliability, comfort.

A XR400 will do better on the dunes. 

Ja a 250 might be a little on the light side, esp. when it comes to doing 700km/day. I would be worried about blowing up the engine, or finishing late everyday, nursing the engine more than the dunes.

How long does it take you to ride 700km of dirt roads, with a few tough technical sections thrown in?



Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 27, 2014, 07:24:58 am
Ja a 250 might be a little on the light side, esp. when it comes to doing 700km/day. I would be worried about blowing up the engine, or finishing late everyday, nursing the engine more than the dunes.

How long does it take you to ride 700km of dirt roads, with a few tough technical sections thrown in?


I've never done that distance on this bike in a day, but the time will be determined by the speed limits etc. 12 hours on 700 km? The TTR mill will not have issues with long days or distance, very unstressed, that is why it does not make as much power as the water cooled engines.

But yes, dunes.... Going to have to ride to 120% of my ability to get over long, tall ones. Struggling here might cost me some time.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 27, 2014, 11:21:14 pm
Just to give you an idea guys like Mark Coma average about 80-85km/hr over a 600km special, without stops. Thats about 7.5 hours. If I really push it my average would probably be about 50-60km/hr over the same distance. That's 10-12 hours for 600km. Add 2 hours for start/refuels/mandatory stops  etc. That makes it about 14 hours. Then add the 100-200km liaisons typically associated with a long special stage, where you must ride at the speed limit so lets say the average speed there is may 70km/hr, mostly because its tar- So you're looking at about another 2-3 hours or 15-17 hours in the saddle, longer the slower you go. If you come off or have a mechanical that delays you it is easily possible for you not to get in before midnight.

When you get to the bivouac, you still have to attend the briefing (if you got there on time!),maintain your bike, change tyres, refuel (again), eat, prep your road book, rehydrate, eat again and sleep before the start at 4am tomorrow. Skip any of these steps and you dramatically increase your chances for a disaster the next day.

That sets the scene for what we call the snowball effect: The cumulative effect of one small problem on subsequent days can snow ball into a DNF very easily and is the reason why so few people worldwide get to finish desert rallies.

So going slow is not an option really because the snowball will eat you after 3 days. Fatigue sets in or you ride less fatigues at the cost of something else. Risk of crashing goes up, causing more delays even if you are unhurt. Chances of a DNF start to really go up.

In rallies you have to ride as fast as you can whenever you can do so safely. So that would mean pushing that poor 250cc really hard and risking the engine.

Then add to it some sections in the dunes or fesh fesh where you have wring the things neck and even a 450 will struggle after a couple of days.

I don't want to discourage you, if you want to go for it on a 250 good for you, but you are investing a lot of time and effort into the Amageza. I would like to see you at the finish. Just be aware that the challenge will be much harder to finish on that bike over the planned 3,500km even though you probably ride it very well over shorter distances.

Its a bugger really because its the long distances that are cool to ride, but the toll on bikes makes it a very expensive sport and limits the use of smaller cc engines.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Cracker on February 28, 2014, 07:52:31 am
So, a finish is statistically unlikely - but therein lies the challenge

To finish on a rally bike is expected but there's a much bigger story in finishing on a 250

the best equipment makes it a race
the worst equipment makes it a challenge
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2014, 08:08:38 am
I don't want to discourage you, if you want to go for it on a 250 good for you, but you are investing a lot of time and effort into the Amageza. I would like to see you at the finish. Just be aware that the challenge will be much harder to finish on that bike over the planned 3,500km even though you probably ride it very well over shorter distances.

So, a finish is statistically unlikely - but therein lies the challenge

To finish on a rally bike is expected but there's a much bigger story in finishing on a 250

the best equipment makes it a race
the worst equipment makes it a challenge

Yes, I think this is probably the year where the Amageza changes from being a "free for all" ralley to a "proffesional" ralley. It's sad in a way, but I suppose that's the way these things work and evolve.

My budget is allready under pressure, and I have not paid for a crapload of things yet; petrol (bike and bakkie),  tyres (two sets), new chain+sprockets, trunk, radio, neck brace, list goes on. I have allready spent a lot, prob R50k+ on bike, kit , MSA stuff and minimum AMA entry fee. This is actually unfair to my family this year, but I'm pushing the limits.

Building or buying a roadworthy 450 ralley bike would be ideal, but just would not have happened this year or any other year (planning for kiddo no 2). So I'm taking a huge risk doing it on the TTR, but it's my only chance at the Amageza or any ralley. If I fail I'll go down fighting.

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on February 28, 2014, 08:18:53 am
Vetkat - remember BB's post relates more to the Dakar ... not to say the AmaG will not be very challenging ... and snowballs can occur but I cannot see this type of liaisons etc on the Amageza ... well hopefully because they are a rally killer IMHO.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 28, 2014, 11:42:36 am
Vetkat! Go for it!! Yours is a much better story than the 'pros' on fancy kit. I would love to see you finish and make a success of it. I'll be chasing up the rear alongside you anyway! :)
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2014, 11:59:47 am
Vetkat! Go for it!! Yours is a much better story than the 'pros' on fancy kit. I would love to see you finish and make a success of it. I'll be chasing up the rear alongside you anyway! :)

 ;D Maybe you can tow me up those dunes with your 690...
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 28, 2014, 05:49:16 pm
Vetkat! Go for it!! Yours is a much better story than the 'pros' on fancy kit. I would love to see you finish and make a success of it. I'll be chasing up the rear alongside you anyway! :)

+1000

Vetkat, you are the guy everyone will be supporting, because you're the underdog. I have huge respect for you giving it a go on the 250, especially after reading your latest posts.

Flip, even if we have to tow you to the finish we will help you if we can!

The bad news is that Alexander is designing the Amageza to be at the level of a typical Dakar day. The good news is it is only 5 days, not 14. Only once has a 250 finished the Dakar so it is possible. The guy tried 5 times!

Yes its not really fair on the family but sometimes you need to do something for yourself.

Don't worry about the dunes too much. None of them are anything like we see in the Dakar, so Im pretty sure you will get through through these sections. Worst comes to worst you can just go around them and take a penalty if there is a WPM on the top.

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on February 28, 2014, 06:01:21 pm
Go for it Vetkat.  Stay focused, relax, think all the time while you are riding, keep it upright and we all end up at the end for a beer.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BV on March 02, 2014, 09:01:34 am
Anybody have the link for the bike specs? Water tank etc?
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on March 02, 2014, 05:02:03 pm
http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html (http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html)

Very last sentence.  :thumleft: Click on the 'View' link.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on March 03, 2014, 10:09:46 am
Next year is the fifth year anniversary for Amageza. And we are racing South to North.

We are hard at work with stakeholders to make next year a 9 day rallye from Cape Town to Lusaka in Zambia. You will race four days then have one rest day, then race four more. You will not be able to enter without a proper race CV, with at least one real navigational style rally on it.

If a route was marked in any way, shape or form, it does not count as a Navigational Rallye. A  Navigational Cross-country Rallye we define as a multi-stage event crossing more than 500km per day, with Liaison and Special Sections and overnighting in different locations,  where your only means of navigation was a road-book scroll and compass heading. If you have done any Amageza Rallye, you will qualify.

We will also be launching a competition where a lucky entrant will win a free entry into the Amageza 2015. To qualify for the competition you need to finish the 2014 Amageza Rallye.

We are going to aggressively market this in Europe, USA and Australia. So if you have been riding the fence, enter now and join the 2014 Amageza Rallye. You will not find a more cost effective rallye in the world.

The Amageza Rallye is major bang for a minor buck!
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on March 03, 2014, 10:37:30 am
epic news :D
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on March 03, 2014, 10:53:48 am
Jim on facebook had a interesting idea.

For 2015 you can enter the 'South African' leg only. So you race with us for two or three days, then we wave you goodbye at the border.

For a guy on a extreme tight budget, this means you can experience three or so days of the Amageza.

I like it. Good idea!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on March 03, 2014, 12:07:18 pm
http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html (http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html)

Very last sentence.  :thumleft: Click on the 'View' link.

Alex, I know it is early days, but following that link, from what I can see, does not show anything about the bike specifics, water tanks, like BV has asked.  Maybe I am not reading it correctly, but I see nothing.  Please help asseblief Meneer.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: markdiver on March 03, 2014, 12:09:35 pm
Jim on facebook had a interesting idea.

For 2015 you can enter the 'South African' leg only. So you race with us for two or three days, then we wave you goodbye at the border.

For a guy on a extreme tight budget, this means you can experience three or so days of the Amageza.

I like it. Good idea!  :thumleft:

Absolutely dig the idea of both possibilities - will be a fantastic event.  Really hope it goes the way you want it to Alex.  NICE ONE!!!  :thumleft: :drif:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on March 03, 2014, 12:23:44 pm
http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html (http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html)

Very last sentence.  :thumleft: Click on the 'View' link.

Alex, I know it is early days, but following that link, from what I can see, does not show anything about the bike specifics, water tanks, like BV has asked.  Maybe I am not reading it correctly, but I see nothing.  Please help asseblief Meneer.   :thumleft:

Its actually in the entry form. Part of the safety kit. Once you pay your Moto-Entry, you can download the entry form.

Its basically just a added 1 liter of water in a hard tank fixed to your bike. This is so when you go over your handlebars and burst your Hydration Pack, you still have some emergency water. I would go for 2 litres like in the Dakar, but for this year the minimum is 1 liter fixed.

This can take the form of a container fixed to the back of the bike like a  Wild@heart-type container. But it cannot be in a back-pack tied down to the back of the bike. The latter is lying all over the Northern Cape from previous failures!

What can also work is a tool-tube with a hydra-pack pack inserted, or a 1.5l plastic water bottle inserted in the tube.

So in total you need a Camelbak type water on your back with 2 liters, and 1 liter fixed on the bike. You want water, trust me. If its not a medical emergency, you may wait several hours if not longer for the recovery truck to get to you. Thats why you need water and purification tablets.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on March 03, 2014, 12:29:00 pm
http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html (http://amageza.com/web/nutshell.html)

Very last sentence.  :thumleft: Click on the 'View' link.

Alex, I know it is early days, but following that link, from what I can see, does not show anything about the bike specifics, water tanks, like BV has asked.  Maybe I am not reading it correctly, but I see nothing.  Please help asseblief Meneer.   :thumleft:

Its actually in the entry form. Part of the safety kit. Once you pay your Moto-Entry, you can download the entry form.

Its basically just a added 1 liter of water in a hard tank fixed to your bike. This is so when you go over your handlebars and burst your Hydration Pack, you still have some emergency water. I would go for 2 litres like in the Dakar, but for this year the minimum is 1 liter fixed.

This can take the form of a container fixed to the back of the bike like a  Wild@heart-type container. But it cannot be in a back-pack tied down to the back of the bike. The latter is lying all over the Northern Cape from previous failures!

What can also work is a tool-tube with a hydra-pack pack inserted, or a 1.5l plastic water bottle inserted in the tube.

So in total you need a Camelbak type water on your back with 2 liters, and 1 liter fixed on the bike. You want water, trust me. If its not a medical emergency, you may wait several hours if not longer for the recovery truck to get to you. Thats why you need water and purification tablets.

Trust me if you do end up waiting for recovery you want all the water/liquid you can get
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Pleco on March 04, 2014, 11:02:23 am
Safety Officer here :deal:

I see a lot of speculation about how tough, how long, which size bike, what safety equipment etc.

As BB said in some posts, you will be doing about 10 to 12 hours on the bike. So I would suggest you pack your bike with all your kit, then map out 800kms to 900kms of dirt road one way. Ride the dirt road while sticking to the 100km/h speed limit and go and sleep over at the end of it. Ride back the next day. Then repeat.  :deal: This will be one day short of the 5 days coming up, with no special stages, so it will not prepare you for the difficult parts. But it would give you the mental notes of the time and energy involved just to ride. You would also sort out your equipment and machine niggles.

(I did this return trip to Upington and back from CT in January 2012 before that Amageza. It was in 45 plus heat, and I was down and out for 2 days afterwards. Without this prep, I would have broken down mentally in the Amageza halfway through day 1.)

Do not come to the Amageza and do a 5 day x 10hr ride for the first time there. It would be like jogging around the block to prepare for the Comrades. You won't make it, and we would have to recover you after day 1. :eek7:

There are only 2 differences between the Amageza and the Dakar. 1. Its currently 9 days shorter 2. The specials are run in tougher riding terrain to keep the racing speeds down.

We had 3 days last year. We lost avg of 10 riders per day, and only one was due to injury. This thing is as tough as its gonna get.

Does not really matter what you ride if you are well prepared and look after your machine and yourself, you will make it. But PREPARE, TRAIN and look after machine.
 
 
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on March 04, 2014, 12:22:33 pm
To give you an idea the training ride I did this weekend was 260km of special stage terrain that took about 9 hours to ride in total and cost 5600 odd calories. Add on top of that 400-800km of liaison in a day and having to navigate through it all.

If you are not fit enough to cover the distances and terrain involved with some room for tumbles and time lost you are going to fail sooner or later. Your fitness needs to be up to scratch otherwise you will get tired and start making more mistakes on the navigation side that will cost you repair/sleep time. and so it begins to get worse and worse and worse
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: tour on March 05, 2014, 07:32:06 am
What Nova said is right. People watch dakar and think O yeah no probs i can do that. Well guess again.
Get your EGO in check first. Big ego big fail.
Get super fit. I mean ironman fit.
You gotta be able to ride and consentrate hard for 12 hrs straight.
When you want to give up for the 3 rd time. You cant. You must continue
Your bike must be 100%. The type or size is not super important but the machanics is.
I was caught out with ama 3 and almost didnt make it on all 3 days. Fitness wasnt in check but all other things were 100%. So dumb luck helped.
This year it will be double of last year. So be sure that you want to do it. Be sure you can handle the failure. Be sure you really got the balls and not just internet chat. Be sure and get ready.
It can be one of your best achievements or it will break you. So be sure that you are ready to do it and willing to commit.
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on March 05, 2014, 11:02:48 am
…While ask any finisher... the feeling of reward, accomplishment & privilege of being a member of the exclusive club of Amageza Rallye finishers, is worth every bucket of blood, sweat & tears.

 :notworthy:

Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 05, 2014, 05:26:45 pm
Well said Tour and Wayne!

There were 45 starters last year, and 17 finished. It was only 3 days long. Who know how many would have finished had it been 5.

Everyone was ready for it, most had prepared well, but only 2 out of every 5 guys made it.

Think about that.

You have to do everything you can to improve your chances of a finishing, because you are going to need all 9 nine lives plus some luck and a blessing and only then if you have prepared 100% as Tour says will you have a hope of finishing.

Pissies will never be heroes. :paw:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: tour on March 05, 2014, 07:00:12 pm
Heros are not made in politics
Heros are not made in business
Heros are jot made on the rugby field
Heros are jot made in WAR

Heros are made when others quit, when your at the end of the line and keep marching on, when your buddy needs help changing his tyres in 40'C. When you finish the

                        AMAGEZA 2014!!!

So who really has what it takes???
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Camelman on March 05, 2014, 07:45:42 pm
Heros are not made in politics
Heros are not made in business
Heros are not made on the rugby field
Heros are not made in WAR

Heros are made when others quit, when your at the end of the line and keep marching on, when your buddy needs help changing his tyres in 40'C. When you finish the

                        AMAGEZA 2014!!!

So who really has what it takes???

Give this man a Bell's!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Amageza 2014 (Kalahari Safari): Entries Open
Post by: Dutchie on March 05, 2014, 09:53:37 pm
Heros are not made in politics
Heros are not made in business
Heros are not made on the rugby field
Heros are not made in WAR

Heros are made when others quit, when your at the end of the line and keep marching on, when your buddy needs help changing his tyres in 40'C. When you finish the

                        AMAGEZA 2014!!!

So who really has what it takes???

Give this man a Bell's!  :thumleft:
Would even have given him a nice whiskey instead... but I fear the grammar police...  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 11, 2014, 07:20:34 am
After some convincing, we have added a 'Adventure' class to the rallye. So if you have a mate who would like to scope out the Amageza, this is the perfect opportunity. The Adventure class will follow most of the Liaison routes and detour the Selective Sections (Specials). The difficulty level will be moderate, with some sand, river crossings and rocks, but all easily doable with a Adventure bike.

As the Adventure riders can also hire a transport package, it means they have a unloaded bike to ride each day, making it much more enjoyable. They require no roadbook, just a GPS, as they will receive a track with each briefing for the next day. (The route differs slightly, so don't get excited rallye riders!  >:D. You'll still have to navigate the liaisons on your roadbook!)

So please let your adventure mates know, it going to be a blast.

Here is the link to the ride, its also on the website.
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146876.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146876.0)


(http://amageza.com/web/images/adventure/ktm-1190-adventure_amageza_a_600.jpg)

(http://amageza.com/web/images/adventure/BMW_1200_Adv_Amageza_600.jpg)

(http://amageza.com/web/images/adventure/yamaha_1200_amageza_600.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 11, 2014, 04:56:28 pm
That's a great idea Alex!! I hope the Adventure riders will let the rally guys pass so we don't have to ride in the dust.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 11, 2014, 05:26:40 pm
That's a great idea Alex!! I hope the Adventure riders will let the rally guys pass so we don't have to ride in the dust.  :peepwall:

The Adventure guys will start after the Rallye guys, and their track will differ slightly. If however you get stuck with something broke, you might be stuck behind some Adventure guys, if the route overlaps.

On the other hand, if you're stuck, well 50 helpers might be on their way! That's if you're fortunate enough to have a issue on a Liaison.  ;D

But seriously, I do agree with BB. This is a good way to check out the Amageza Rallye if you're not sure if you want to make the leap from 'Biking is my hobby', to 'Biking is my sport, my passion, my all, I'll sell my soul...'.

Personally, I'm a lost cause, like BB. Touring lost its glory the moment I set eyes on a road-book scroll. That was love at first sight!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 11, 2014, 05:52:39 pm
Alex, you are my brother from another mother man! :laughing7:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on March 12, 2014, 12:21:52 am
hmm - same father?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 12, 2014, 10:37:13 am
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 12, 2014, 11:44:38 am
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding

WTF? Unfortunate ... But yes life happens ... ask me.  ::)  Hope you will be there though.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 12, 2014, 12:26:28 pm
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding

WTF? Unfortunate ... But yes life happens ... ask me.  ::)  Hope you will be there though.
Yea I hope to be there too, really wanna film the special stages
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: g1_ on March 12, 2014, 12:54:22 pm
Yea I hope to be there too, really wanna film the special stages
Now we just need a back bone gopro to fly in your quad!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on March 12, 2014, 12:59:03 pm
 :-[
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 12, 2014, 01:09:21 pm
Yea I hope to be there too, really wanna film the special stages
Now we just need a back bone gopro to fly in your quad!
huh?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: g1_ on March 12, 2014, 01:22:56 pm
huh?

GoPro with a c-mount:
http://www.back-bone.ca/ (http://www.back-bone.ca/)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 12, 2014, 01:23:57 pm
huh?

GoPro with a c-mount:
http://www.back-bone.ca/ (http://www.back-bone.ca/)
Nice!

Plan is just the stock GoPro 3 black I use currently with a polarised filter
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on March 12, 2014, 02:14:49 pm
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding

Nooit! That's a shame man... sorry to hear it, but yes. I'll forge on into the land of irresponsibility on my own then ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 12, 2014, 02:18:51 pm
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding

Nooit! That's a shame man... sorry to hear it, but yes. I'll forge on into the land of irresponsibility on my own then ;)
was very envious reading your thread yesterday and knowing what had to be done.

Best of luck to ya mate!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on March 12, 2014, 07:11:15 pm
So having sat down and crunched number for some of the larger plans over the next year(s) I have decided that it wouldn’t be very responsible of me to chase the Amageza as a competitor for the next few years  :-\ Having just returned back to SA and starting to setup shop here again I am supporting my girl over the next year; saving for a wedding and then later kids. Just not financially viable for me to allocate funds to racing the Amageza at this stage in life.

I plan to try and follow the Amageza as either support or meida, media being my RC quadrocopter with gimbal and GoPro. I still really want to support the Amageza in any way I can and I feel this would be an awesome way to help get media cover and thus exposure... also its pretty sick having aerial HD video footage :D

On one hand it sux on the other hand it does free me up for some other very cool things.

Will be posting up my race bike(s) in due course and then getting something more suited to dual sport / social riding

Nooit! That's a shame man... sorry to hear it, but yes. I'll forge on into the land of irresponsibility on my own then ;)

not on your own, pandaman - I am very good at irresponsible too
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 13, 2014, 10:35:07 am
My heart goes out to those of you that had parted with so much money, time and effort to then let 'life' beat your dreams to dust.

In this racing business it seems irresponsibility is the name of the game. Who defines responsibility anyways. The everyday dude who gets his kicks from watching reality shows? Where was the days when TV was a imitation of life, now its the inverse.

I say 'up the system'. One life, live it. I might only have this year, this day, this hour left on planet earth. Best I spend it on what I want to do, than what society expects from me.

If you overthink things, you won't even get out of bed!

I decided to try and use one word never, 'But'. Its a lame three letter word which is mostly always followed by failure, unless its in the context of 'She hit a massive donga with her 1200, but bleeding and battered she picked up her bike, and finished the Amageza 2012. ' That was Rynet. A very tough lady!

Like Nike says: 'Just do it, dammit'.

I can think of a million reasons not to have started the Amageza, or not to continue the Amageza. But we will never know what could have been, if we stop now. Note the 'WE' in the sentence. Both YOU and I are in a partnership. While YOU enter the race, I'll make sure YOU and I have something to stand up for, train for, and talk about. Amageza has no sponsors. YOU and I pay for this race, for this dream.

Everybody always have excuses. You read on 'Planning a Ride', hear it in conversations, etc. But where's the guy who says: 'Up that'. I work my ass off, I deserve this. I deserve to be a man, and do man things with men. Or the lady who says, why can't I do it, then shows the men how to bite down and persevere against all odds.

When I started the Amageza I got a lot of flack from my wife and family. I was irresponsible, why don't I rather spend that money on new furniture, bigger house, holidays with my wife, buy my mother a present. My answer was:' I like our furniture and house, I am on holiday the moment I start my bike, my mother sees my success and happiness in an impossible dream as a present.'

Last year when all of a sudden Amageza had competition, big stories, big ads, big sponsorship money, and legislation killed the original Amageza 2013 and I was in ashes, it was motivating emails, calls and support from YOU that picked me up and out of bed every morning. When I heard how my competitor had hit pay-gold in my backyard with sponsorship deals, and I was working 18 hours a day to finance Amageza, YOU were the ones that kept me going. Everytime N[]va posted something on his bike build, everytime Mark Cambell called from the rig to hear how things were going, that kept me going. YOU keep me going. So now its my turn to keep YOU going. YOU enter, and I'll make sure that with my super team of helpers like Pleco, Andy660, Crossed-up, Rynet and others give you a experience the Dakar had back in 1980.

I remember something I read once, it went something like this:
'Ere ever a race is won, not by the fastest, but the one who wanted it the most'.

I want our own rallye in Southern Africa. Not driven by greed or money, but by people like us that will just not give up.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on March 13, 2014, 10:56:13 am
I did it last year on a shoe string budget! Anybody can do it, where there is a will there's a way!

Amen Alex!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 13, 2014, 03:20:26 pm
This years one will be the best one yet!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on March 13, 2014, 03:52:00 pm
Dam it Alex, you made me get all teary at work, I had to pretend I had something in my eye!
100% behind you all the way.
Give me an "A".......give me an "L".........give me an "E"............give me a "X". :wav:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: >>Thump°C on March 13, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
I like it when the men on this forum are man enough to show respect when a lady does exceptionally well!
+100 CAmeldude
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MissM on March 13, 2014, 06:01:42 pm
 :peepwall:

What's a "shoestring budget"?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 13, 2014, 06:39:12 pm
:peepwall:

What's a "shoestring budget"?
25k
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 13, 2014, 06:42:37 pm
:peepwall:

What's a "shoestring budget"?
25k

No, its when you sell your shoes and strings to get there. ;D

Manny Luchesse from Italy is this young guy who did the Dakar on a shoestring budget. He paid the entry fee and managed to somehow bum everything else including spare tyres, his flight the works.

Bumming stuff is one thing but this guy took it to the ultimate level
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 14, 2014, 09:20:50 am
What GPS is best for Amageza - or what would options be? I know for Roof the guys use Fortrex and ETrex.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on March 14, 2014, 09:25:10 am
What GPS is best for Amageza - or what would options be? I know for Roof the guys use Fortrex and ETrex.

There's best and cheapest. Purely for the Amageza that may coincide - current wisdom seems to be new Etrex 20/30. Montana is a brilliant device and will have wider application, but is bigger and more expensive.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 14, 2014, 10:07:25 am
We prefer the eTrex. Personally I prefer the eTrex 10.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 14, 2014, 10:17:19 am
I bought a GPSmap 62s and love it, had an etrex Venture HC with as a spare
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 14, 2014, 10:31:29 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 14, 2014, 10:52:15 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 14, 2014, 11:24:53 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break

Ja I hear you - bulletproof as much as possible  :thumleft:  And thinking some more NO -  the Zumo will be a pain with dust etc as is a touch screen.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 14, 2014, 11:32:11 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break

Ja I hear you - bulletproof as much as possible  :thumleft:  And thinking some more NO -  the Zumo will be a pain with dust etc as is a touch screen.
Tis the only way
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 17, 2014, 07:21:45 am
Seeing that the successful outcome of your race relies so much on the working of your GPS, two might not be a bad idea if you don't have a robust unit. Its even possible to install a program like GPS Essentials on your Android phone, and have that record your track as well during the stage.

The perfect option would be a GPS mounted central on your handlebar. This is the most protected place on a bike.

Then have another device displaying your heading.

I have had a Trail-tech Voyager installed on my 450 project bike for the last three weeks, and I'm mighty impressed. It gives you a lot of data, but GPS heading and recording of the track are two. Its mounted on my handlebar and was developed for use on a off-road bike, so it has the best chance of not packing up. Also has a backup battery with a 8 hour range. Get the manual online. Good toilet reading.

So I'm only mounting the Roadbook reader and ICO in line of sight. Once I hit a turn on the road-book, I glance down, verify the cap, and continue on my merry way.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 17, 2014, 08:03:09 am
Seeing that the successful outcome of your race relies so much on the working of your GPS, two might not be a bad idea if you don't have a robust unit. Its even possible to install a program like GPS Essentials on your Android phone, and have that record your track as well during the stage.

The perfect option would be a GPS mounted central on your handlebar. This is the most protected place on a bike.

Then have another device displaying your heading.

I have had a Trail-tech Voyager installed on my 450 project bike for the last three weeks, and I'm mighty impressed. It gives you a lot of data, but GPS heading and recording of the track are two. Its mounted on my handlebar and was developed for use on a off-road bike, so it has the best chance of not packing up. Also has a backup battery with a 8 hour range. Get the manual online. Good toilet reading.

So I'm only mounting the Roadbook reader and ICO in line of sight. Once I hit a turn on the road-book, I glance down, verify the cap, and continue on my merry way.
I was planning to use my polar RC3GPS heart rate monitor this year cause of its size and accuracy
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on March 17, 2014, 08:06:42 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break

This is how hard the Amageza is, according to camelman  :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall:

" To put it into perspective:
I once did the 2013 Amageza Day 2 SS and half of Day 3 SS with my wife, two full panniers, a top-box, tank-bag, and 10 litres of extra fuel on a KTM 950 Adventure. "

So, as you can see, the problem is that you'll have no space for a Zumo  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 17, 2014, 08:32:43 am
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break

This is how hard the Amageza is, according to camelman  :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall:

" To put it into perspective:
I once did the 2013 Amageza Day 2 SS and half of Day 3 SS with my wife, two full panniers, a top-box, tank-bag, and 10 litres of extra fuel on a KTM 950 Adventure. "

So, as you can see, the problem is that you'll have no space for a Zumo  ;)

unless I mount it on top of the kitchen sink?  8) 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 17, 2014, 12:44:18 pm
I have a Zumo 660 for my DS bikes - is this overkill - over-tech for Amageza? Guess vulnerable too?  I need to get a GPS for my son for Roof anyway so guess eTrex.
It would work for the race (Alex - confirm?) but I would be worried about breaking it to be honest.

Seriously you have no idea how hard everything will work in an event like this, with pretty much everything go with the solution that is simple and hard as f*ark to break
This is how hard the Amageza is, according to camelman  :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall:

" To put it into perspective:
I once did the 2013 Amageza Day 2 SS and half of Day 3 SS with my wife, two full panniers, a top-box, tank-bag, and 10 litres of extra fuel on a KTM 950 Adventure. "

So, as you can see, the problem is that you'll have no space for a Zumo  ;)

I did'nt say it took us four days and a almost a divorce...  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 18, 2014, 09:05:15 pm
Something for the traffic!

Big thanks to WayneH for making this happen!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on March 19, 2014, 08:21:01 am
That looks cool !!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on March 19, 2014, 09:08:07 am
Something for the traffic!

Big thanks to WayneH for making this happen!



I would have thought after last year's Chinese effort that you would get vehicles that would last in the Kalahari.  Think Ford F250...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 19, 2014, 09:47:02 am
Ai. Me and my Chinese car are still fighting it out. Still broken in the garage. They sent a chair in stead of the part. Ai f@k tog.  :'(

But, the Jeep reccied the whole of last year's stage. Slow but steady. Day 3's stage of last year took me three days, and two sleepovers under the stars. Biggest worry was if I had enough meat to braai every evening! Only saw one 4x4 in all of that time.

If I could get my hands on that Ford F250 though. Haibo.  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 25, 2014, 06:26:44 am
Quick update:

Seems we will be getting out Motorsport SA permit issued in this week. I have managed to figure out how to get non-road registered bikes entered as well, and will let you know as soon as I have the signed document from government for the exemption.

This means bike like Honda CRF 450 and quads are likely to be able to enter as well for the rally but not the Adventure. The latter is still for road-legal bikes only as the route varies slightly.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 25, 2014, 06:32:34 am
Meanwhile guys have specifically been choosing and investing in road legal bikes ... avoiding the plastics.  ::)  This also does fit the Dakar analogy IMHO. No offence but shifting the goal posts may make some happy but piss others off.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on March 25, 2014, 07:05:18 am
Meanwhile guys have specifically been choosing and investing in road legal bikes ... avoiding the plastics.  ::)  This also does fit the Dakar analogy IMHO. No offence but shifting the goal posts may make some happy but piss others off.

I agree.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Motties on March 25, 2014, 07:25:47 am
I think it allows more people to take part which is a good thing.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on March 25, 2014, 07:42:47 am
So, if quads and plastics can join, what happens to the fuel and water carrying issue?

I can't afford the spend converting my 450 but If I can ride it like it is, then it's now worth looking at ........... 

I'm not really happy with goal post moving, I would have probably entered the 'new' adventure class if it had existed on day one.

Seems a bit pointless taking an adventure bike to a plastic race.



Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 25, 2014, 08:37:13 am
So, if quads and plastics can join, what happens to the fuel and water carrying issue?

I can't afford the spend converting my 450 but If I can ride it like it is, then it's now worth looking at ........... 

I'm not really happy with goal post moving, I would have probably entered the 'new' adventure class if it had existed on day one.

Seems a bit pointless taking an adventure bike to a plastic race.


You need to read up on the Adventure ride Cracker.  :deal:. Two totally different things. Rallye has SS, Adventure not. Rallye on more difficult routing, Adventure circumvents this. Rallye timed, Adventure not..... You get my drift? The only thing in common is the name 'Amageza', the bivouac location, and some parts of the liaison routes. That being said, there are more than one entrant eho has completed the 2011 and 2012 Amageza Rallies successfully in the past on a Adventure bike, including Rynet on a BMW 1200!

The goal posts are still the same, the Toughest Rallye in Southern Africa. You still need a range of 300km for the Rallye. Adventure class bikes must be road-legal. They do not form part of the race, hence no exemption.

The ultimate objective of the Amageza is to have the same classes and vehicles competing as the Dakar, and if all 450 class bike, quads, side x sides, cars and trucks are racing there, then we can too!

You see?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 25, 2014, 08:40:53 am
My understanding is the Dakar vehicles are road legal and registered? (As also stated in the Amageza regulations)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 25, 2014, 08:46:07 am
My understanding is the Dakar vehicles are road legal and registered?

Nope. No way you can road-legal some of the classes of vehicles competing like the Polaris and other side x sides. The Honda CRF 450 can only be registered for road-use in Australia as far as I know. Same thing with quads.

It all depends if we will get the exemption from National Government, and also that of the countries we wish to race through, but I'm trying.

The reason the rules are still 'road-legal' is that I can't change the rules before I have a signed document with the exemption allowed in my hand.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on March 25, 2014, 12:09:25 pm
I think the more flexible, open regulations is a good thing. The reality is that very, very few entrants at Amageza are anything like professional, so it's not like there's a huge advantage or disadvantage either way. A plastic outfitted to do 300km in soft sand conditions is pretty much a rally bike - the way I see it that means around 25litres for CRF/WR/older carb models and perhaps a few litres less for modern fuel injected models... and that's without getting lost. And then there's the weight of the nav equipment and water.

There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

However, it was interesting looking at the photos from the recent Tuareg rally - where, judging from the tank sizes they need significantly less range than on the Amageza - and seeing that most people went for rally-lite setups with the absolute minimum additional weight and gear rather than the full blinged out Dakar-style bikes.

These bikes are cheaper, lighter, and crash better. The course also seemed to have a lot of technical riding as opposed to straight open dessert racing. Seems to me the Dakar is heading in that direction too, for the bikes. A good direction in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on March 25, 2014, 12:35:10 pm
It's not the timed sections where the plastic bikes will kak off, it's liasons.

6-700k's on a plastic a day is not going to be fun. I think before a tank upgrade, a seat will be the more sought after item.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Snafu on March 25, 2014, 12:53:30 pm
Quick update:

Seems we will be getting out Motorsport SA permit issued in this week. I have managed to figure out how to get non-road registered bikes entered as well, and will let you know as soon as I have the signed document from government for the exemption.

This means bike like Honda CRF 450 and quads are likely to be able to enter as well for the rally but not the Adventure. The latter is still for road-legal bikes only as the route varies slightly.

MSA permit!!! WELL DONE!!!!!!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on March 25, 2014, 01:18:05 pm
It's not the timed sections where the plastic bikes will kak off, it's liasons.

6-700k's on a plastic a day is not going to be fun. I think before a tank upgrade, a seat will be the more sought after item.

Seat Concepts $159! :) http://www.seatconcepts.com (http://www.seatconcepts.com)

But apart from the seat, is there any reason why a 450-class bike is less comfortable than, say, a 690 - especially since one can't go over the speed limit on the liaison anyway?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 25, 2014, 01:35:06 pm
Well done Alexander. I can't imagine the hoops you had to jump through to get all this done! :thumleft:

MaxThePanda is right, There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

The argument that 6-700km is easier on a big bike is true. If you want comfort, its the better bike. If you want to finish then maybe its not (apart from the riding Gods of course!) :)

As for the question of road legal: On the Dakar you do not see indicators and rear view mirrors, horns or anything like that. NONE of these bikes are road legal, but none of them are pure "plastics" either. The bike all have to carry 30L of fuel and that turns any plastic into something that is not at all like a plastic. But its easier to ride (but not by much) than a big 700 in the technical stuff for sure. Okay maybe not, but its easier to pick up! If you want to plough down a rock river bed on a your 950, you had better be comfortable with that and fit, is all. I'm not that good so I go for the "plastic"

Taking it to the other extreme, you could easily manage a river bed on a 250 2 stroke, but the liaisons are gonna wipe you out.

Bottom line is that the 4 stroke light bike is probably the best of both worlds.

I'm still going to get mine roadworthied (before taking off all the indicators again) simply because I want to be able to take my bike cross border next year, and that will be a lot easier to do.

So at the end of the day this change in rule is not going to change 99% of what people planned to ride in the first place.


Having a few quats in the rally will spice things up a bit for sure and probably make the make a little bit more money for Alex, so as much as I hate them, I am in support.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on March 25, 2014, 02:19:04 pm
Well done Alexander. I can't imagine the hoops you had to jump through to get all this done! :thumleft:

MaxThePanda is right, There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

The argument that 6-700km is easier on a big bike is true. If you want comfort, its the better bike. If you want to finish then maybe its not (apart from the riding Gods of course!) :)

As for the question of road legal: On the Dakar you do not see indicators and rear view mirrors, horns or anything like that. NONE of these bikes are road legal, but none of them are pure "plastics" either. The bike all have to carry 30L of fuel and that turns any plastic into something that is not at all like a plastic. But its easier to ride (but not by much) than a big 700 in the technical stuff for sure. Okay maybe not, but its easier to pick up! If you want to plough down a rock river bed on a your 950, you had better be comfortable with that and fit, is all. I'm not that good so I go for the "plastic"

Taking it to the other extreme, you could easily manage a river bed on a 250 2 stroke, but the liaisons are gonna wipe you out.

Bottom line is that the 4 stroke light bike is probably the best of both worlds.

I'm still going to get mine roadworthied (before taking off all the indicators again) simply because I want to be able to take my bike cross border next year, and that will be a lot easier to do.

So at the end of the day this change in rule is not going to change 99% of what people planned to ride in the first place.


Having a few quats in the rally will spice things up a bit for sure and probably make the make a little bit more money for Alex, so as much as I hate them, I am in support.

looking at the Quad interest for Namaqua - maybe its worth considering , some good entries from up north & six of us WCOC members are busy modifying ours for Namaqua however if the Amageza can cater for quads , sure we will try be there.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 25, 2014, 03:39:04 pm
As long as you promise not to ride in front of me ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on March 25, 2014, 05:00:40 pm
As long as you promise not to ride in front of me ;D
haha why are you worried about dust - it is Africa after all, take is as it comes  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on March 31, 2014, 07:04:44 am
Got a chance to save a animal over the weekend while on Amageza business!!

While working on some routes we passed this unfortunate Ostrich. Seems the guy jumped the fence and got his foot caught in the top wire. We have no idea how long it had been there but it looked exhausted.

So keeping the helmet on, and armed with wire-cutters we went as close as we could and cut the wire. After some coaching the ostrich stood up and ran off, still with some wires around the left foot. At least it can get to food and water now.

Hopefully the farmer or workers notice it, catch the fence-jumper and can fully clear the wire.

That's the Amageza Animal Rescue count up to two. One calf and one ostrich!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 31, 2014, 08:34:49 am
good on ya mate!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on March 31, 2014, 11:28:34 am
Lean pickings - Not much but stones for that poor arsestretch to nibble  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 01, 2014, 02:54:10 pm
The Chinese is running again.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 01, 2014, 03:16:44 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on April 01, 2014, 03:17:58 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:
I have a WR for sale that will do 450km+ ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 01, 2014, 03:26:56 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:

I thought it was 250km range/refuel intervals + a little possible rondry?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 01, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:
I have a WR for sale that will do 450km+ ;)

How fast (or slow) do you ride to get that range with a carb WR?? :pot:
How much fuel do you then carry?  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 01, 2014, 03:59:19 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:

My 690 does around 5.5l/100km pushing on (but riding fluidly) on dirt sections. But I've seen it go up to around 7.8l/100km working hard around Atlantis. This means:

The full fat 27l is, I'm sure, equal to over 30l on a WR or CRF, and I very much doubt that many people on the Amageza will have that much fuel capacity. But adding front tanks, thanks to the lovely exchange rate situation, will cost me another R12k!!

So... the question is... does one calculate range based on a full stage of heavy sand riding? I doubt that is going to be the reality, but then, as they say, you pays your money and takes your chances! How far can you walk in the desert?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on April 01, 2014, 04:32:09 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:
I have a WR for sale that will do 450km+ ;)

How fast (or slow) do you ride to get that range with a carb WR?? :pot:
How much fuel do you then carry?  :deal:

35L

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/p417x417/1798716_615587238506321_28854373_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 01, 2014, 05:36:55 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:

My 690 does around 5.5l/100km pushing on (but riding fluidly) on dirt sections. But I've seen it go up to around 7.8l/100km working hard around Atlantis. This means:
  • with the current 17.5l setup I get around 320km on dirt, 225 in thick sand
  • with 22l Rally Raid (front) tanks I could get around 400km on dirt, 280 in thick sand
  • with 27l Rally Raid (front & rear) tanks I could get around 500km on dirt, 350 in thick sand

The full fat 27l is, I'm sure, equal to over 30l on a WR or CRF, and I very much doubt that many people on the Amageza will have that much fuel capacity. But adding front tanks, thanks to the lovely exchange rate situation, will cost me another R12k!!

So... the question is... does one calculate range based on a full stage of heavy sand riding? I doubt that is going to be the reality, but then, as they say, you pays your money and takes your chances! How far can you walk in the desert?

My 690 with front RR tanks ran 310km in last year's amageza before reserve. But it gives about 11km/l in the dunes.  If I run out of juice, I'll bum some from a Yamaha with a cooked clutch.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 01, 2014, 06:08:03 pm
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

 :sip:
I have a WR for sale that will do 450km+ ;)

How fast (or slow) do you ride to get that range with a carb WR?? :pot:
How much fuel do you then carry?  :deal:

You would probably be okay on 25-30L, just don't get too lost...

Trust me its worth the cost and effort, because these rallies go to places you would not be able to do with less fuel.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 01, 2014, 07:04:37 pm
twisting the ear I get less than 10km/l in the dunes...
just over 10km/l on hard surfaces
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 01, 2014, 07:13:27 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on April 01, 2014, 08:06:16 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

http://www.renazco.com/ (http://www.renazco.com/)
Your butt will thank you  :bootyshake:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tour on April 01, 2014, 08:12:30 pm
Fuel onboard 30lts and hard riding gets me to 9km/l but noway you can go flat taps all day for 12 hrs...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 01, 2014, 08:16:27 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

http://www.renazco.com/ (http://www.renazco.com/)
Your butt will thank you  :bootyshake:

These guys are seriously good at this.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 01, 2014, 08:17:21 pm
twisting the ear I get less than 10km/l in the dunes...
just over 10km/l on hard surfaces

So there is your answer. 250km +15% = 30L
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 01, 2014, 08:19:00 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

http://www.renazco.com/ (http://www.renazco.com/)
Your butt will thank you  :bootyshake:

These guys are seriously good at this.

But you don't buy a seat, just a re-upholster! for 4K!? Not the f_ck.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 01, 2014, 08:55:31 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

Look at Seat Concepts - sell great kits  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 01, 2014, 10:16:28 pm
I am sure there must be someone local that can 'rebuild' a bike seat   ???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on April 04, 2014, 03:25:41 pm
Something for the traffic!

Big thanks to WayneH for making this happen!



I also want a set please >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AntonW on April 04, 2014, 04:25:49 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

There is a guy who lives just behind Paarden Eiland who has recovered a seat fro me. Cheap and good work. I am planning to re do a seat from my 640. I have not found the foam as yet, but I have spoken to Sondor who produce foam. The tell me there are various densities of closed cell foam availble by the sheet. My plan was to shape the foam as I like it and have it covered. Kehl's in Maitland should have the fabric or Kwaai Lappies in Woodstock.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 04, 2014, 11:09:07 pm
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

There is a guy who lives just behind Paarden Eiland who has recovered a seat fro me. Cheap and good work.
+1
He collected a seat from our store from a lady who was leaving THE NEXT DAY to ride CPT - Kenya, but felt her BMW 650 twin seat was too high (nothing like last.minute.com!), anyway, Pieter collected the seat, re-shaped it overnight, and delivered it back the next day, R150!
Another interesting point is he does his collections & deliveries (Yamaha, Flying Brick, Retro Prestige, etc) by BICYCLE, with a custom-made rucksack that takes a bike seat, so he is Earth-Friendly too !
I have a set of 15 seat-covering samples of his, at my store, if you want to check fabric availability.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 05, 2014, 05:04:49 am
I am looking for a good rally seat or somebody that has re-upholstered a seat.  I am not in the market for a Corbin seat, because they are way too wide for rally purposes.

Any ideas or examples?

http://www.renazco.com/ (http://www.renazco.com/)
Your butt will thank you  :bootyshake:

These guys are seriously good at this.

But you don't buy a seat, just a re-upholster! for 4K!? Not the f_ck.

:imaposer:

If you put it like that ;D

I keep forgetting about the little thing called exchange rate. Its only $350!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 10, 2014, 08:12:35 am
OK, AntonW, lets get together and make a plan with the seats.  My seat is not f_ck_d yet, so perhaps he can do your's first and I can decide on the quality of work before I take my expensive new seat apart.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 10, 2014, 08:49:08 am
Had my seat at McCarthys Auto trimmer this week. got it back the same day. they added a thin layer of foam. still need to try it out...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 10, 2014, 09:11:46 am
Can you guys just send me pics of work done on your seats please...  I just want to get a feel for the quality.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 10, 2014, 04:49:48 pm
 :bootyshake:    :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 10, 2014, 06:20:06 pm
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on April 10, 2014, 09:15:21 pm
Opinions on this bike as a Ama14 finisher! I am aware of the xr 650r as the one and have test ridden a couple, but  the legend tax is killing me. TE 610 at a reasonable price. I am also aware of range limitations which will need to be dealt with. I am also a one bike man so after ama14 I need it to go tkei bashing and the like (1 to 2 day adventure rides). No BS please, I am going to test ride it this weekend. Thanks
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 10, 2014, 09:29:10 pm
Opinions on this bike as a Ama14 finisher! I am aware of the xr 650r as the one and have test ridden a couple, but  the legend tax is killing me. TE 610 at a reasonable price. I am also aware of range limitations which will need to be dealt with. I am also a one bike man so after ama14 I need it to go tkei bashing and the like (1 to 2 day adventure rides). No BS please, I am going to test ride it this weekend. Thanks

You are going to get the parts at which price from where?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 10, 2014, 09:29:39 pm
Opinions on this bike as a Ama14 finisher! I am aware of the xr 650r as the one and have test ridden a couple, but  the legend tax is killing me. TE 610 at a reasonable price. I am also aware of range limitations which will need to be dealt with. I am also a one bike man so after ama14 I need it to go tkei bashing and the like (1 to 2 day adventure rides). No BS please, I am going to test ride it this weekend. Thanks

You are going to get the parts at which price from where?

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 10, 2014, 09:40:55 pm
Fantastic bikes - do not listen to the naysayers regarding parts. Everything still available. PM Blazes if you want more info on them. I would use my 610 for AmaG if I did not have the 450 and even then am torn. They are incredibly forgiving and have a great ability to chug the technical stuff. I use a Nomad bum tank on mine if I need extra range.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on April 10, 2014, 10:05:01 pm
I've got a 2000 TE610 and all of the parts I've needed are available ex-USA within 2 to 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 10, 2014, 10:47:46 pm
That's a great setup you have there Big D.

I agree that these bikes are one of the best and most versatile available.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AntonW on April 11, 2014, 09:54:34 am
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.

Why dont you make a padded cover that fits over your seat, think Air Hawk but bigger.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 11, 2014, 10:02:01 am
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.

Why dont you make a padded cover that fits over your seat, think Air Hawk but bigger.

There are other similar Air Hawk products that are gel pads. You can also buy gel inserts that can be upholstered into the seat which is maybe better - the less to come loose, move around, annoy etc the better IMHO.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on April 11, 2014, 10:04:06 am
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.

Why dont you make a padded cover that fits over your seat, think Air Hawk but bigger.

There are other similar Air Hawk products that are gel pads. You can also buy gel inserts that can be upholstered into the seat which is maybe better - the less to come loose, move around, annoy etc the better IMHO.

Waar kry ek die!?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AntonW on April 11, 2014, 02:02:10 pm
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.

Why dont you make a padded cover that fits over your seat, think Air Hawk but bigger.

There are other similar Air Hawk products that are gel pads. You can also buy gel inserts that can be upholstered into the seat which is maybe better - the less to come loose, move around, annoy etc the better IMHO.

Waar kry ek die!?

Thats why I suggested making a cover so you can experiment with it till you are happy, than go for a permanent fix. I was looking at the 640 seat, the earlier models had a normal straight seat. on the later model the seat is wider, rounder,  on the last half of the seat, far more comfortable. Are you still living close to me, I have both types of seat if you want to look.

We can make a plan as what foam to get, I need to buy a sheet from Sondor which is enough to cover 4 or more seats. As for doing the cover it is something that is possible to do yourself if you have the right staple gun
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 11, 2014, 02:28:27 pm
One of my Brazilian friends (he is a top 10 rider in Brazil) uses the pooratech version: A smallish pillow strapped to his ass with a sling. I'm not joking!

Riding with him on a 500km liaison I must say I was rather envious of him and his dumb pillow. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AntonW on April 11, 2014, 03:22:43 pm
One of my Brazilian friends (he is a top 10 rider in Brazil) uses the pooratech version: A smallish pillow strapped to his ass with a sling. I'm not joking!

Riding with him on a 500km liaison I must say I was rather envious of him and his dumb pillow. ;D

Getting creative, what about an adult nappy. Don't need to stop and the added padding  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 12, 2014, 05:22:59 pm
Jeez guys - adult nappies, bum pillows... We have reputations to protect!! ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on April 16, 2014, 09:25:19 am
Been to Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Pinetown since Sunday. Durban this morning, then high-tail it to meet with Alfie Cox at 11:00 in Cato Ridge. Then back on highway to Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Have not been on the road repping nothing for more than a decade. And down here it seems every call is a cold call.

I believe this effort will pay off.

At least the Jeep Wrangler is behaving itself at 9.8l/100km. Not bad for a V6 3.8l.

Surviving on McDonalds for breakfast, PVM bars for lunch, and Spur for dinner. At least you know what you'll be getting.

Last night in Umhlanga, walked into a place, sat down, ordered coffee. When the waiter returned, I said 'I would like a Spur Burger please'. He said: 'Eish mister, the Spur she's next door'.

Mmm. Seems I have car-lag. Bouncing provinces like a Bible salesman. Except I'm preaching Amageza!  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 16, 2014, 09:32:10 am
Way to go. Praise to Amageza.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Buff on April 16, 2014, 10:11:48 am
One of my Brazilian friends (he is a top 10 rider in Brazil) uses the pooratech version: A smallish pillow strapped to his ass with a sling. I'm not joking!

Riding with him on a 500km liaison I must say I was rather envious of him and his dumb pillow. ;D

Does no one use cycling pants? That would make the most sense to me and it'll reduce charfing.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 16, 2014, 10:32:14 am
Definately with that lump in your butt and lunchbox on display your chances of anyone "charfing" you will be reduced.  :imaposer:

Jokes aside cycling pants can reduce chaffing and add a bit of padding - nothing though beats a good custom seat.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on April 16, 2014, 01:41:59 pm
Been to Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Pinetown since Sunday. Durban this morning, then high-tail it to meet with Alfie Cox at 11:00 in Cato Ridge. Then back on highway to Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Have not been on the road repping nothing for more than a decade. And down here it seems every call is a cold call.

I believe this effort will pay off.

At least the Jeep Wrangler is behaving itself at 9.8l/100km. Not bad for a V6 3.8l.

Surviving on McDonalds for breakfast, PVM bars for lunch, and Spur for dinner. At least you know what you'll be getting.

Last night in Umhlanga, walked into a place, sat down, ordered coffee. When the waiter returned, I said 'I would like a Spur Burger please'. He said: 'Eish mister, the Spur she's next door'.

Mmm. Seems I have car-lag. Bouncing provinces like a Bible salesman. Except I'm preaching Amageza!  >:D


Good work Alex. Cool so we doing all nine provinces - sorry this is how rumours start.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 16, 2014, 04:38:26 pm
Great stuff Alex! Drive safely boet!


Cycling pants don't help that great in my experience because they're designed for a bicycle, and I find you get chaffing on the edges of the padding. I find cycling pants without the padding are best with lots of TLC around the nether regions when off the bike. Johnson & Johnson is my friend. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 16, 2014, 05:10:16 pm
Been to Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Pinetown since Sunday. Durban this morning, then high-tail it to meet with Alfie Cox at 11:00 in Cato Ridge. Then back on highway to Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Have not been on the road repping nothing for more than a decade. And down here it seems every call is a cold call.

I believe this effort will pay off.

At least the Jeep Wrangler is behaving itself at 9.8l/100km. Not bad for a V6 3.8l.

Surviving on McDonalds for breakfast, PVM bars for lunch, and Spur for dinner. At least you know what you'll be getting.

Last night in Umhlanga, walked into a place, sat down, ordered coffee. When the waiter returned, I said 'I would like a Spur Burger please'. He said: 'Eish mister, the Spur she's next door'.

Mmm. Seems I have car-lag. Bouncing provinces like a Bible salesman. Except I'm preaching Amageza!  >:D


God that's a horrible sounding diet! :) But great work... keep us updated on what's happening.. feeds the excitement!  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 16, 2014, 07:21:33 pm
Great stuff Alex! Drive safely boet!


Cycling pants don't help that great in my experience because they're designed for a bicycle, and I find you get chaffing on the edges of the padding. I find cycling pants without the padding are best with lots of TLC around the nether regions when off the bike. Johnson & Johnson is my friend. ;D

1 word: Seat Concepts.  OK, that's 2.  Tiny problem:  the extra width makes a 690 just so tall that the Jolly Green Giant tip-toes.  But I did not have any discomfort in my ass last year.  I got slight discomfort in most of my other places, though.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on April 16, 2014, 08:53:25 pm
Harrismith this evening. Day was a blur. Long wait and a quick chat at Gateway KTM in Umhlanga, clothes in at the washer-dudes, dash down to Auto Umhlanga BMW and a long chat with a true gentleman, Roy Bowman. Then of to TR Tech and great chat and a coffee with Howard Scott. Great stuff they're building.

Missed Alfie Cox again. Damn. The man works hard! At least we had a good chat on the phone!
Tomorrow morning I'm continuing my nightmare road to Jhb. The N3. Damn that road is busy. Trucks ass to nose for hundreds of kilometres. Have the freight guys heard of a little invention called THE TRAIN!  ;)

I hope I can get to the major bike players in the game in Gauteng tomorrow, hoping more to convince them to bring their Adventure Riders and get the guys with talent on a Rally bike, and off-course, hang a poster or two! Then meet up with Mr. Bandit Signs
After Gauteng its Kimberley on Saturday, then Sutherland on Sunday. Burger with Theo Wolfaardt and convince him to hang up a poster! Havn't been to Sutherland in ages. Looking forward to it!

After being a bit demotivated after yesterday's effort, I'm fully charged and ready for Jhb. Today was good! Its a pity I don't have appointments with the main guys, but It's just not possible to schedule these things. Many of them have a wealth of knowledge regarding racing, and I'm ready to learn from anybody and everybody! This means having a chat without watching the time.
I must give Wayne Harrison the honors for designing our awesome 2014 poster. Even if a dealer is a bit hesitant when I request him to hang a poster, they normally go, 'give me more' once they see it! Well done bud!!

That's me for the night. Going to delete all spam, reply on a couple of questions they check if Ukraine is still sovereign!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 16, 2014, 08:56:46 pm
Wayne/Alexander, post the poster pdf  here, Im sure a lot of us will print them out and put them up everywhere!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 16, 2014, 09:14:50 pm
Wayne/Alexander, post the poster pdf  here, Im sure a lot of us will print them out and put them up everywhere!

+1

I want one for the garage at least.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 16, 2014, 09:15:48 pm
Alex,shout if you need somewhere to kip in JHB. I'm in Midrand.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on April 17, 2014, 07:27:02 am
Alex,shout if you need somewhere to kip in JHB. I'm in Midrand.

Thanks Vetkat. My dad lives in Wonderboom, Pta. If I can survive the N3, I'll probabily kip there.

Thanks for the offer though bud.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2014, 09:08:07 am
Thanks Vetkat. My dad lives in Wonderboom, Pta. If I can survive the N3, I'll probabily kip there.
Thanks for the offer though bud.  :thumleft:

Good. Sterkte met die res van jou trip!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 17, 2014, 12:24:06 pm
Wayne/Alexander, post the poster pdf  here, Im sure a lot of us will print them out and put them up everywhere!

Howzit BB, by all means...  ;D

The high resolution pdf is available at:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxEnvycO3zYzWDhLbHRPdURtZWs&usp=sharing

The low resolution Jpeg is below/attached.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Sprocketbek on April 17, 2014, 12:40:00 pm
Nice pic   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 17, 2014, 04:50:13 pm
Nice pic   ;D

 :thumleft:  Great photographer    ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 18, 2014, 06:56:41 am
That's totally awesome Wayneh!!!

Guys please help Alex by printing and posting everywhere!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 18, 2014, 09:23:54 am
Could you please change the bike in the poster.  I got roosted by that thing.  Now every time I see it, I involuntary duck behind my PC's screen.  My neck is in spasm. Not funny.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on April 19, 2014, 09:13:48 am
Could you please change the bike in the poster.  I got roosted by that thing.  Now every time I see it, I involuntary duck behind my PC's screen.  My neck is in spasm. Not funny.

 :biggrin:

In your town Bill the Bong. Need to pop in at the RAF just now. Just going to check out the bike shops and venues first. Get some posters up. Will give you a call just now. Going to kick Chris out of bed as well!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 19, 2014, 06:39:37 pm
BB haha, but serious guys, if you have either an aftermarket seat or have had a re-upholster done, please send me pictures.

Why dont you make a padded cover that fits over your seat, think Air Hawk but bigger.

There are other similar Air Hawk products that are gel pads. You can also buy gel inserts that can be upholstered into the seat which is maybe better - the less to come loose, move around, annoy etc the better IMHO.

Waar kry ek die!?
We stock/supply Seat Saint; Small, Medium and Large Gel seat pads, as well as Airhawk (Riderr, Pillion, and Cruiser).
I think Seat Saint would be more practical for this application that AirHawk.
Redoing the seat could be an even better option.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Alexander Please Take Note!
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 22, 2014, 10:13:50 pm
No more 15m roadbook rolls per stage.  This is an entire Safari Rally Stage.  You can see the entire stage at a single glance.  Get with the program   >:D

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2rh9010.jpg)

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 23, 2014, 07:34:00 am
Ha!

If you like following fence lines.... :P
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 23, 2014, 08:02:32 am
  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on April 29, 2014, 08:33:57 pm
From the man:



https://www.youtube.com/v/CD4khXfTILc
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on April 29, 2014, 09:00:32 pm
Thanks Pleco!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on April 29, 2014, 09:03:24 pm
Ek sien die ouens gaan weer bars.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 29, 2014, 11:59:47 pm
Looking GREAT!! I can't wait!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 30, 2014, 09:45:41 am
Gaan ons ralley ry of enduro Alex? Wat gaan die roadbook se; "hou op heading 283 deg vir 5 km deur die riete"?

Daai water maak my TTR bang, ek sal die intake bietjie moet opskuif.

Kannie wag nie!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on April 30, 2014, 06:09:21 pm
Love it - bring it on  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 30, 2014, 11:30:01 pm
In other news, lots of lessons on what not to do this week it seems. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 01, 2014, 07:38:49 am
In other news, lots of lessons on what not to do this week it seems. ;D

And I really hope it does not affect the Amageza. In terms of relationships with police and farmers, the last stage of the Geza will be in the same areas.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on May 01, 2014, 07:43:00 am
Ja these things are so sensitive when it is private land being 'invaded' - as usual it can take only one AHole to ruin it for all.  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 01, 2014, 10:02:49 am
Ja these things are so sensitive when it is private land being 'invaded' - as usual it can take only one AHole to ruin it for all.  ::)

There's so much that can go horribly wrong when hosting a Rallye... Specially when it covers more than 3000km. One has to have contingency plans for contingency plans  :deal:
And things can still hit a wobbly.

But don't worry about the Amageza. We have the most experienced team in Southern Africa (this year is our fourth year of organising a successful Rallye), and our strategy focuses on three critical factors...
- providing the most spectacular route in Southern Africa (all competitors can testify towards this)
- safety to riders, crew and the public is none negotiable
- the communities we pass through must be involved & prosper.

Except in a very rare case, all Specials are held on 100% privately owned land (so no chance of public traffic), and we design the routes in collaboration with the farmers.
This takes a lot of time and conscious care for the wildlife, life stock and vegitation.

Another thing Amageza does that is different, much of the competitor fees are put into the communities we pass through. Whether it is a donation to the farms whose land we are using (to contribute toward any repairs), and/or donating food & needed equipment to community schools and old age homes and/or using local businesses or non profit organisations to provide food.

We also work with the local police to manage aspects of the safety and security. Meetings are held with every police station we plan to past through... This is not just a curtesy, it's part of the FIM regulations. So there shouldn't be any surprises from the law enforcement - rather, they help us make the event a success for the riders, and the sport.

For many of these reasons, Amageza is a labor of love... For Alex and the whole team. And as such, commercial interests... While very, very welcome (in any form)...  Will enjoy the highest level of returns, as long as they share these basic ethics.

 :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 01, 2014, 11:07:41 am
Well put Wayne.

And all of the above equals to farkin lot of hard work.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 01, 2014, 04:08:31 pm
I agree, this is how a rally should be organized :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: washer6 on May 03, 2014, 10:31:06 am
BB, are U participating this year??
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 03, 2014, 04:06:44 pm
Washer, it is my plan to race it, yes. :ricky:

But its something I can unfortunately only commit to in the next couple of months time.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 03, 2014, 04:15:16 pm
Washer, it is my plan to race it, yes. :ricky:

But its something I can unfortunately only commit to in the next couple of months time.

 :laughing4: Its not a race.

But we will be keeping time  :deal:

Jip. Unfortunately working as an expat makes planning anything further in the future than 2 weeks, never a sure thing.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: harryhound on May 03, 2014, 08:12:01 pm
bump
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 03, 2014, 08:43:35 pm
Maybe then WayneH you can clear a few things up regarding your post.

When the sweeper vehicle broke down last year what plan was in place to cover that really important role?
Why was there no T Shirts or any merchandise as part of the entry or to buy?
It was also evident that the owner was not aware of us coming to Sutherland is there evidence that he was informed?
Why did we have to purchase radios that could not do the job?
The tracking system was also not adequate what is being done about it this year?
Why is it that Amageza cannot attract sponsors?
What evidence is there that money is going to charities?

I do agree the Amageza is a fantastic adventure but why do we not get what is promised?


 :pot:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: IanC on May 03, 2014, 09:00:57 pm
A t shirt😉
Title: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: IanC on May 03, 2014, 09:03:27 pm
Double post
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: harryhound on May 03, 2014, 09:15:03 pm
You missing the point. If you sell something then you deliver. If you say something you do what you say.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 03, 2014, 09:17:49 pm
Sorry can't promise you a T shirt.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 03, 2014, 11:36:04 pm
Calm down guys. :3some:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on May 04, 2014, 05:45:20 am
Hokai guys. Chill out.

As Clint said on the other thread. Only two guys have stepped up and tried to give you a event. If not for me and George, then most of you would only have sat and dreamed about doing a rally.

None of our events are perfect, and I'm sure both of us are trying our damndest. It is so very easy to shoot down another person or event. But can you better it? If so, why don't you? 'The client is always right' is the biggest bullsh!t ever. Any of you with a business know that some clients will never be pleased. Something will always make them unhappy. Even the Dakar with 30 years experience have had epic balls-ups in the past!

If you have a issue, why don't you contact the person or organization, put it in writing, then wait for a response. If none is forthcoming, yes, go ahead and blast it to the world, but at least give the other guy a chance before shooting him to the ground!

Now can we please all be friends, and not promise anything.  :3some:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: harryhound on May 04, 2014, 11:24:44 am
Camelman I do believe you have good intentions and it is great that you sacrifice so much to organise an event like the Amageza. But before you start planning rides into neighbouring countries maybe try and perfect what you are trying in your own country. The T shirt saga is just a example of the attention to detail that needs to be sorted out. Having Pleco publicly promising me a T-shirt with a spoon is counter productive. There was also some unhappiness at the start of the SS in Lainsberg from the public if you remember proving that the organisation of the rally still needs more attention So Pleco you should calm down because last time I raised a concern you personally wanted to give me a injection of some sorts. People in glass house should not throw stones
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 04, 2014, 01:15:01 pm
Sorry boet. Point taken.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: harryhound on May 04, 2014, 02:37:04 pm
Accepted Pleco I thought I would never ever hear that from you and I am really impressed that you have publicly took the time to type that you a great man.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 04, 2014, 02:46:58 pm
If you take the time tp get to know me you wont be so surprised ;) unfortunately more out of the country than in. So not much time for riding with the WDs anymore.

You sure you not confusing me with someone else? Don't know anything about an injection comment :P
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 04, 2014, 09:10:49 pm
I think....wait....yes, my heart is definitely pumping custard right now :imaposer: :3some:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 04, 2014, 09:25:07 pm
Softie :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on May 04, 2014, 09:50:40 pm
Alright I'm over all of this... moving on to see what will happen further for rally in SA

Any plans for a rally/roadbook training weekend up north yet?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on May 04, 2014, 10:05:25 pm
How about a Malle Moto class? Where you mark out an area in the pits so when the competitor arrives he has to park his bike in this area and it cannot leave until the next days start. It wouldn't be much effort to monitor it. You could do a separate trophy like at dakar and it would give the guys with smaller budgets something to aim for. There is a big difference between support and no support on a tough rally were you are getting in late. How about it?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on May 04, 2014, 10:12:34 pm
How about a Malle Moto class? Where you mark out an area in the pits so when the competitor arrives he has to park his bike in this area and it cannot leave until the next days start. It wouldn't be much effort to monitor it. You could do a separate trophy like at dakar and it would give the guys with smaller budgets something to aim for. There is a big difference between support and no support on a tough rally were you are getting in late. How about it?
Agreed, was a very big attraction to be doing moto malle
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 05, 2014, 08:18:45 am
Alright I'm over all of this... moving on to see what will happen further for rally in SA

Any plans for a rally/roadbook training weekend up north yet?

Keep your eyes open for another one in KZN - 4 or 5 days on a bike, long hours every day - great for getting your backside toned  :biggrin:

I'd be keen on setting up a route and helping out up here in GP but I can't do the conversion from GPS to RB. Open a thread and see if we can rope in some IT boffins.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 05, 2014, 08:26:03 am
Good to see this.

You need to do a 5 day in the saddle before the 5 day in the saddle rallye. :thumleft:

This is the best out there at the moment. But not for free unfortunately www.rallynavigator.com (http://www.rallynavigator.com)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on May 05, 2014, 10:43:04 am
Wayne/Alexander, post the poster pdf  here, Im sure a lot of us will print them out and put them up everywhere!

Howzit BB, by all means...  ;D

The high resolution pdf is available at:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxEnvycO3zYzWDhLbHRPdURtZWs&usp=sharing

The low resolution Jpeg is below/attached.

 :thumleft:

Help Please - what am I doing wrong as this link does not appear to be high res???  I want to have some posters made for Alex and post in my local region.  Cannot wait for this rally!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 05, 2014, 11:40:14 am
The high resolution pdf is available at:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxEnvycO3zYzWDhLbHRPdURtZWs&usp=sharing

Help Please - what am I doing wrong as this link does not appear to be high res???  I want to have some posters made for Alex and post in my local region.  Cannot wait for this rally!!!

Howzit Mark,
No problem... send me an email at: wayne[at]clarionid.co.za
I'll mail the high res pdf file direct to you (it's about 2.5 Megs in size).
Cheers,
Wayne
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 05, 2014, 04:09:49 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on May 05, 2014, 08:51:33 pm
Can we have t-shirt FFS!  :imaposer:

Seriously, I want a t-shirt "Amageza 2014" or something to that effect - it will give me much motivation to sport a Amageza T when I have a cold one after a good practice session! 

You wear that thing and you are a walking billboard :)

How can we make this happen? ...or did I miss a post?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on May 05, 2014, 08:53:42 pm
Ask the Namaqua guys who did theirs  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on May 05, 2014, 08:59:33 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on May 05, 2014, 09:01:03 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D

Eish  :lamer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on May 05, 2014, 09:04:08 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D

Wat het alles gebuig?  Lyk of net die fender agter in sy peutjie is?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 05, 2014, 09:25:32 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D

Wat het alles gebuig?  Lyk of net die fender agter in sy peutjie is?

Sy ego is dalk bietjie gekneus.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on May 05, 2014, 09:28:45 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D

Wat het alles gebuig?  Lyk of net die fender agter in sy peutjie is?

Sy ego is dalk bietjie gekneus.  :biggrin:

Nee wat, hy is hin bees!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 05, 2014, 09:52:08 pm
:sip:

Moet jy nie die prentjie van jou bike update nie?  ;D

Wat het alles gebuig?  Lyk of net die fender agter in sy peutjie is?

Sy ego is dalk bietjie gekneus.  :biggrin:

Nee wat, hy is hin bees!

Hahaha, ok ek sal dit verander!    ;)

Dalk so:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 06, 2014, 12:22:35 am
;D :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on May 06, 2014, 02:54:29 pm
Ask the Namaqua guys who did theirs  :peepwall:

 :spitcoffee:
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: weskus on May 06, 2014, 03:09:07 pm
 :peepwall: :pot: ok guys please let me know if you want any Amageza or Namaqua T-shirts, will leave space open for over printing for ANNO... kan doen met 'n geldjie na hierdie besigheid... :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 06, 2014, 03:14:53 pm
:peepwall: :pot: ok guys please let me know if you want any Amageza or Namaqua T-shirts, will leave space open for over printing for ANNO... kan doen met 'n geldjie na hierdie besigheid... :imaposer:

Amageza please!!!
3 x XL
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 06, 2014, 03:33:46 pm
Amageza vir my

2 x M
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: harryhound on May 06, 2014, 06:51:15 pm
Koos imagine if you did ride one of those bikes you could have been a 100k ahead :imaposer: :imaposer: :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 06, 2014, 08:53:17 pm
Koos imagine if you did ride one of those bikes you could have been a 100k ahead :imaposer: :imaposer: :lol8:

I can only agree with you!!!   :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 07, 2014, 07:03:54 am
Its not the bike  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on May 07, 2014, 07:32:09 am
Koos imagine if you did ride one of those bikes you could have been a 100k ahead :imaposer: :imaposer: :lol8:

Could be R100K ahead on ones overdraft as well  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 07, 2014, 10:40:35 pm
Teaser

http://www.youtube.com/v/000EKL9OST4
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 07, 2014, 11:36:28 pm
Some helmet cam footage from Jan, from the 2013 Amageza Rallye.

...Each Special Stage has unique challenges, different terrain, obstacles and navigation. Here Jan is seen tackling the tail end of a river section with a tricky navigation section.

This is definitely not open high-speed dirt roads  ;D. This is super lekker Rallye fun... Using your riding skill and kop.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8UPmoMgur1Y

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 07, 2014, 11:56:35 pm
Well I'm hoping there will be some high speed stuff too! :deal: Nothing wrong with that is there? otherwise we will end up with a 5 day enduro. :peepwall:

Lets no forget that tops speeds on the Dakar at times get up to 185km/hr. For the rest of us mortals that means about 150-160 ;D

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 08, 2014, 08:02:16 am
Don't worry, there'll be plenty high speed stuff - can't do 600kms a day up and down river beds

My high speed is nowhere near 160 so I'll be losing out there. I've got a heavy brick for the tech sections, so I'll be losing out there. And if my nav skills haven't improved since the 1000 hills, then I'll be lucky to finish by Xtmas  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 08, 2014, 08:36:45 am
Well I'm hoping there will be some high speed stuff too! :deal: Nothing wrong with that is there? otherwise we will end up with a 5 day enduro. :peepwall:
Lets no forget that tops speeds on the Dakar at times get up to 185km/hr. For the rest of us mortals that means about 150-160 ;D

 ;D  

Back in Oct 2012, we reccied some of Day-1's Stage into Askhas... All I can say is  :o WOW WOW WOW.  One of the most spectacular routes I have even ridden.  :thumleft:

Also...I heard a rumour that the 2014 Amageza will be visiting some huge salt pans  >:D  

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on May 08, 2014, 12:04:20 pm
Don't worry, there'll be plenty high speed stuff - can't do 600kms a day up and down river beds

My high speed is nowhere near 160 so I'll be losing out there. I've got a heavy brick for the tech sections, so I'll be losing out there. And if my nav skills haven't improved since the 1000 hills, then I'll be lucky to finish by Xtmas  ::)

bud you have nothing to worry about!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 08, 2014, 12:50:17 pm
Don't worry, there'll be plenty high speed stuff - can't do 600kms a day up and down river beds

My high speed is nowhere near 160 so I'll be losing out there. I've got a heavy brick for the tech sections, so I'll be losing out there. And if my nav skills haven't improved since the 1000 hills, then I'll be lucky to finish by Xtmas  ::)

 >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 08, 2014, 03:29:43 pm
Well I'm hoping there will be some high speed stuff too! :deal: Nothing wrong with that is there? otherwise we will end up with a 5 day enduro. :peepwall:

Lets no forget that tops speeds on the Dakar at times get up to 185km/hr. For the rest of us mortals that means about 150-160 ;D


Of course any idiot can twist a throttle to 185kph, or even 160kph... but you better be a riding god to catch it when it all starts going wrong...

https://www.youtube.com/v/DOSEXZWHQ84

 :snorting:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 08, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
That sounds very cool Wayne! Careful, you're giving it all away! :deal:

I love that video MaxThePanda - Just when he is sitting down again thinking "oh my Gawd, I can't believe I'm still on the bike," he nearly gets jacked over the bars again. :imaposer:

I have ridden on stuff like that and those little dunettes look like theyre soft but its like riding on concrete.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pistonpete on May 22, 2014, 12:21:59 pm
Thanks for dropping off the posters... brightens up the place!  ;D Nice to see you again Alex :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on May 22, 2014, 12:42:30 pm

 weet iemand  of die Toyota 1000 volgende maand vir fietse en 4wielers aan is ? hijacked,  wil maar net weet !
 ek sien geen regs. nie.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Motties on May 22, 2014, 01:11:05 pm

 weet iemand  of die Toyota 1000 volgende maand vir fietse en 4wielers aan is ? hijacked,  wil maar net weet !
 ek sien geen regs. nie.
Ongelukkig net vir karre hierdie jaar.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KND on May 28, 2014, 06:07:11 pm
Hi Guys
Just finished the Pharaons Rally and must say, the best terrain ever. Hope the Amageza is something like this. Check out the terrain.
Looking fwd to the Amageza.
Egypt (Pharaons Rally) is a must for anybody that wants to participate in any FIM event. Our type of terrain.
I will be getting my new KTM 450 RR (2016 model) hopefully in time for the event.
Kobus
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 28, 2014, 06:17:38 pm
Brilliant stuff Koos.

How did the results look in the end?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:43:37 pm
Hi Guys
Just finished the Pharaons Rally and must say, the best terrain ever. Hope the Amageza is something like this. Check out the terrain.
Looking fwd to the Amageza.
Egypt (Pharaons Rally) is a must for anybody that wants to participate in any FIM event. Our type of terrain.
I will be getting my new KTM 450 RR (2016 model) hopefully in time for the event.
Kobus

Fantastic inspiration.  >:D   ...That terrain is incredible!
Thanks Kobus  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:47:40 pm
Update from Alex... May 23rd

Stage 4 recce, here I come!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:48:46 pm
Update from Alex... May 26th

Yesterday afternoon in Calvinia. That 6m trailer makes for a good platform to camp on. Starting today with the 250km SS for stage 4 of the Amageza to Sutherland.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:51:18 pm
Update from Alex... May 27th

Yesterday on a 2014 Amageza Rallye Special Stage stretch, and a selfie with the notepad strapped to my right leg for the roadbook notes.
Today I need to link the start of the SS with Springbok. That's a 700km roundtrip on that KLX seat. Missing my KTM plenty! But the bike beats the pipe car in speed over distance. I have 10 hours of daylight. Okay, if I don't run into locked gates.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 28, 2014, 06:52:25 pm
Had a quick chat to him today. He got lost on some mule blushing tracks and was quite knackered.

So he is finding all the right routes again :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:54:05 pm
Update from Alex... May 27th

Working on stage 4. Got lost, ran out of fuel, had to outrun a storming 3ft tall sheepdog. Tested my biking skills that one. Crap seeing a dog grow in size in your rearview mirrors, while going forward in a single track twisty path between thorn trees.  ;D

Spent the day searching for routes. Got lost for a couple of hours, and landed on this track. One of those tracks that you wish will never end. Then ran out of fuel. If Acerbis says 16.5l then you can bet on it.

After it ran out I switched to reserve. Lasted 12km and stalled as I turned into the town. Had to push a bit. Luckily a 450 is light.
Arrived in Springbok to late to return. Now I see a cold front approaching. Going to stick newspapers into my mx shirt for some warmth. No space for sissies on this race!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 28, 2014, 06:57:05 pm
Update from Alex... May 28th

Today started cold. Cut a garbage bag into a vest, and wore it over my armour and under my MX shirt.  :-\

Worked amazingly well!  :thumleft:  After 210km of trails and a couple if locked gates, daylight was going to catch me once more and I hit the main dirt to Calvinia.

Hit the rain 80km out and was cold to the core by the time I got to town. All in all a good day.

Need to choose between two SS now. Both equally technical. Both awesome, but both 200km +.
Only one can be used. Else the back-markers will come in too late.

 :ricky:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on May 28, 2014, 07:02:02 pm
 :pot: :ricky: :ricky:

Nice!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 28, 2014, 07:28:51 pm
Sensational looking tracks! Now if my bike would just arrive...!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on May 28, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
Come on November!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 28, 2014, 07:59:26 pm
That looks Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!

Sounds like it is going to be totally epic. 200km specials and back markers... Maybe just implement a cut off time and shortcut route? Should be a little more sunlight in Movember.

Alex must be having a total blast.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 28, 2014, 08:00:55 pm
Who agrees Alex has the best job in the world? :ricky:


Hopefully one of these days he will start making some money from this. :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 28, 2014, 08:02:42 pm
Who agrees Alex has the best job in the world? :ricky:


Hopefully one of these days he will start making some money from this. :deal:

Best job and making money! That would be unfair :'(

But if anyone deserves it. Its Rambo. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 29, 2014, 08:46:57 am
Ek het lankal gesê:  Alex for President!!!    :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 29, 2014, 08:54:08 am
Ek het lankal gesê:  Alex for President!!!    :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

You must be crazy: he will increase the effective tax rate to 90% just to see if you can cope.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on May 29, 2014, 09:03:51 am
Is there any way we can have this rally earlier, I just can't blady wait any longer.  ;)  Nice one Alex, and look after yourself out there.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on May 29, 2014, 09:38:44 am
Else the back-markers will come in too late.

400km+ SS!

I dare you.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 29, 2014, 09:44:29 am
Says the man on the biggest bike of all!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 10:12:48 am
Kamanya has a small bag of cement on the handle bars. Let him tell you what he does with that.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 29, 2014, 10:20:50 am
Kamanya has a small bag of cement on the handle bars. Let him tell you what he does with that.  :imaposer:

Sort of home-grown Scotts damper... bit of extra weight over the bars, just to keep the bike stable through the really rough stuff? In case the 42 litre fuel tanks aren't doing the job?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 10:31:36 am
Kamanya has a small bag of cement on the handle bars. Let him tell you what he does with that.  :imaposer:

Sort of home-grown Scotts damper... bit of extra weight over the bars, just to keep the bike stable through the really rough stuff? In case the 42 litre fuel tanks aren't doing the job?

None of the above.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on May 29, 2014, 10:37:58 am
How does the saying go? Bike bike, small brain?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 10:39:17 am
How does the saying go? Bike bike, small brain?

We want to hear what the cement and spoon is for.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on May 29, 2014, 10:49:00 am
How does the saying go? Bike bike, small brain?

We want to hear what the cement and spoon is for.  :biggrin:

I see you are speaking on behalf of many about something that intimates digestive and testicular interactions in a very public space. Is there not a latent itch that I could possibility help you with?

 :biggrin:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 10:59:47 am
How does the saying go? Bike bike, small brain?

We want to hear what the cement and spoon is for.  :biggrin:

I see you are speaking on behalf of many about something that intimates digestive and testicular interactions in a very public space. Is there not a latent itch that I could possibility help you with?

 :biggrin:



No thank you :o

But I have seen what it does to your riding!  :ricky: :ricky: On a big bike
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 29, 2014, 03:03:07 pm
We all know what the cement's for, I ASSume the spoon's needed to get it back out .................
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on May 29, 2014, 03:33:10 pm
Okay, if I don't run into locked gates.


 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 29, 2014, 04:05:41 pm
Else the back-markers will come in too late.

Back-markers? Where? What back-markers?.........







......  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 04:18:02 pm
Else the back-markers will come in too late.

Back-markers? Where? What back-markers?.........







......  :ricky:

The guys that slip past Andy and John when they look the other way  :imaposer: Then gets chased with a big stick by me to get in before dark. :biggrin:

Will have to get Andy a phone that does not break connection at critical instruction points.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on May 29, 2014, 04:26:21 pm
Since you asked;

The cement is to create back-pressure and form a sold base to work against when having to pick it up. I have no problem muscling it up fully loaded. My hemorrhoids however are never keen and need the support... :patch: And on days of heavy diarrhoea, it's pot luck.

The spoon is to mete out the right dosage and to work the cement out before it dries thoroughly.

Click on video image for a few demo's.


(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/10/06-Namakwa/Fairies/923651078_hXaAp-L.jpg) (http://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/10/06-Namakwa/12590396_M5kdR#923651078_hXaAp-A-LB)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 29, 2014, 04:40:54 pm
And if you meet some bitching and moaning rider next to the road, or deep in the back of Atlantis I have known you to offer a spoonful of cement.
Why they ask?

Eat it and toughen the f@ck up! I have heard before.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on May 29, 2014, 09:15:41 pm
Is there any way we can have this rally earlier, I just can't blady wait any longer.  ;)  Nice one Alex, and look after yourself out there.

HELL YEAH!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 30, 2014, 01:32:48 am
Hehehe Kamanya. ;D


I just know I have to stay ahead of you no matter what in case I run out of fuel!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on May 30, 2014, 12:00:00 pm
Update from Alex... May 30th

Found the open twisties Garth Roberts loves.  >:D 

Another good day. 300km added to stage 4.   :deal:
Normal MO: Get lost, stuck behind a locked gate, freeze my way in the dark to base. All good though. This is panning out to be another epic Amageza stage!

 :drif:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on May 30, 2014, 03:15:59 pm
Next time maybe buy a car with a windscreen and doors  :biggrin:

And a heater. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on May 30, 2014, 04:01:06 pm
Hehehe Kamanya. ;D


I just know I have to stay ahead of you no matter what in case I run out of fuel!



AND most importantly cause that 950 chucks rocks the size of small buildings in a rear-ward direction..... feel the wrath if thou shalt fall behind - incentive - there it is
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tour on June 02, 2014, 06:36:15 pm
so Alex where s the updates? raak mos lus hier virrie AMAGEZA
die malletjies kom
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 04, 2014, 05:11:57 pm
Can Anyone give me a quick run down of the rules WRT malle moto / support  / teams etc?
Is it gonna be no support like last time? Or is support gonna be a different category? Or is it free for all  :biggrin:
I don't really mind which but wouldn't mind someone changing my tyres for me  :biggrin: :biggrin:

and Alex... please sort out this time thing so that time goes faster and I can braaaaaaaaaaapppppp  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on June 04, 2014, 05:25:15 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on June 04, 2014, 05:58:17 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

So then the question would be; How can you celebrate your wedding anniversary and do the Amageza?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2014, 06:26:38 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

No man, 38 does not count, it is 20, 30 , 40..............
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on June 04, 2014, 06:28:45 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

So then the question would be; How can you celebrate your wedding anniversary and do the Amageza?

Amageza is a nce holiday. bring her along we will show you places.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on June 04, 2014, 07:56:59 pm
I cant wait for this year and I'm not even racing it :D

E.P.I.C sums it up
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on June 04, 2014, 08:24:51 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

You still celebrate after 38years  :patch:

Just kidding >:D
Well done, your wife should let you do the Amegeza as a reward for holding out so long :thumleft:
Show her this thread so she can begin to understand, she will let you go
 :3some:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on June 04, 2014, 08:30:59 pm
Can Anyone give me a quick run down of the rules WRT malle moto / support  / teams etc?
Is it gonna be no support like last time? Or is support gonna be a different category? Or is it free for all  :biggrin:
I don't really mind which but wouldn't mind someone changing my tyres for me  :biggrin: :biggrin:

and Alex... please sort out this time thing so that time goes faster and I can braaaaaaaaaaapppppp  ;)

I am going as a support crew to my mate.
Max 2 support persons per team of 5 riders. There is a cost for the support which is depicted in the shop. More info on there too.

Mail from Alex:
You enter you support crew online with the driver as the entrant. Then you purchase meals, camping etc. for them as required. If you have 5 or more entries in your team, your crew entry is free. Your crew may only be a max of 2 persons per team of 5.

When you check-out, there is a 'comments' section. In this enter your team name. Ask your competitors to do the same. This way I know who is a team and can allocate discounts accordingly.

This is the direct link to the Support Crew item in the cart:
http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=59 (http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=59)

Hope it helps
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on June 04, 2014, 08:38:01 pm
Starting to get that amageza feeling. :ricky:

Paid up last year and then could not make it. Not even a sorry you could not make it, here's your T -shirt. :peepwall:
Suppose I am going to get a moerse discount this year- Ne Alex? :deal: ::)


Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on June 04, 2014, 10:19:59 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

Hi Babe, I bet you thought I couldn't surprise you any more, not after 38 years of marriage. Well I entered both of us in Amageza. Surprised?
 :love3:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 05, 2014, 07:20:58 am
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

Off-road sidecar??

If you're celebrating your 38th anniversary and not a Mormon, that puts you around 60+?

Great effort! Shouldn't that qualify for free entry??? Especially with a sidecar! ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on June 05, 2014, 08:34:10 am
Can Anyone give me a quick run down of the rules WRT malle moto / support  / teams etc?
Is it gonna be no support like last time? Or is support gonna be a different category? Or is it free for all  :biggrin:
I don't really mind which but wouldn't mind someone changing my tyres for me  :biggrin: :biggrin:

and Alex... please sort out this time thing so that time goes faster and I can braaaaaaaaaaapppppp  ;)

I am going as a support crew to my mate.
Max 2 support persons per team of 5 riders. There is a cost for the support which is depicted in the shop. More info on there too.

Mail from Alex:
You enter you support crew online with the driver as the entrant. Then you purchase meals, camping etc. for them as required. If you have 5 or more entries in your team, your crew entry is free. Your crew may only be a max of 2 persons per team of 5.

When you check-out, there is a 'comments' section. In this enter your team name. Ask your competitors to do the same. This way I know who is a team and can allocate discounts accordingly.

This is the direct link to the Support Crew item in the cart:
http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=59 (http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=59)

Hope it helps


Before I ask Alex directly, maybe you can answer my questions. Just shooting the breeze at the moment, I've no definite plans other than I'm gonna be there!

We're thinking of travelling down as a group, a couple racers and a couple adventure riders, with a bakkie to move bikes and boxes etc. My thinking is the racers will enter the malle moto class, while the bakkie drivers/adventure riders will follow just for the jol and lift back to JHB when finished. Is this possible?

We'll enter everyone as we should in whatever class but if the drivers aren't direct support crew then what are they?

Or, if we use them as direct support and they move our kit, are we then segregated from the malle moto boys.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on June 05, 2014, 01:49:07 pm
Interesting questions
Mt take is the access to the biv is only for entrants, be that rider and support crew. So if you tag along you excluded from the inner workings and atmosphere, but you still there
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on June 05, 2014, 07:43:11 pm
Unless you bring a bike and ride the adventure Amageza.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on June 05, 2014, 08:36:24 pm
Seriously need to get my ducks in a row and enter. Namaqua was a bit of a frustration so I really do "need this". Just need to work out how to tell my wife that Amageza is more necessary than our 38yr wedding anniversary holiday.
Please help !!!!!!

You still celebrate after 38years  :patch:j

Just kidding >:D
Well done, your wife should let you do the Amegeza as a reward for holding out so long :thumleft:
Show her this thread so she can begin to understand, she will let you go
 :3some:

After 38 years  one would think I would learn !! Romantic dinner last night and then let slip that I'm doing Man and Machine in Aug. Tomorrow night another romantic dinner and then tell her...oh by the way I'm doing the Koes Rally.
I think the only thing that can help me is a big diamond !!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on June 09, 2014, 01:59:10 pm
Congratulations to the Amageza Racing crew for passing the MSA General Competition Rules exam with flying colors, and in Steve's case, in record speed! MSA Cape Town via Joy gave a sterling lecture, and after telling me to stop asking so much questions until after the course  ;), managed to get us through the manual in 2 hours!  :thumleft:

John (Crossed-up)
Steve (SteveD)
Sean (Not WD)

Yeah, I passed as well.  ;D Going to write the Clerk of the Course exam sometime before Friday. Then we're all legal and so forth!  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on June 09, 2014, 02:06:09 pm
Congratulations to the Amageza Racing crew for passing the MSA General Competition Rules exam with flying colors, and in Steve's case, in record speed! MSA Cape Town via Joy gave a sterling lecture, and after telling me to stop asking so much questions until after the course  ;), managed to get us through the manual in 2 hours!  :thumleft:

John (Crossed-up)
Steve (SteveD)
Sean (Not WD)

Yeah, I passed as well.  ;D Going to write the Clerk of the Course exam sometime before Friday. Then we're all legal and so forth!  :deal:

Well done!!!!!    :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on June 09, 2014, 02:14:46 pm
Well done - it gives one a much better understanding of things behind the scenes.
Good luck with the CoC exams - nice to know there are some more officials around.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 09, 2014, 02:15:08 pm
Congrats! Nice to have this all becoming official...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AntonW on June 09, 2014, 02:29:33 pm
Congratulations to the Amageza Racing crew for passing the MSA General Competition Rules exam with flying colors, and in Steve's case, in record speed! MSA Cape Town via Joy gave a sterling lecture, and after telling me to stop asking so much questions until after the course  ;), managed to get us through the manual in 2 hours!  :thumleft:

John (Crossed-up)
Steve (SteveD)
Sean (Not WD)

Yeah, I passed as well.  ;D Going to write the Clerk of the Course exam sometime before Friday. Then we're all legal and so forth!  :deal:

Old dogs, new tricks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on June 09, 2014, 04:19:21 pm
I can tell you one thing though:  I have a lot more respect for MSA now than I did before.  It's like the way that Alex organises this Rally - it's the 99% behind the scenes stuff that matters. 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pistonpete on June 09, 2014, 04:21:58 pm
Congratulations to the Amageza Racing crew for passing the MSA General Competition Rules exam with flying colors, and in Steve's case, in record speed! MSA Cape Town via Joy gave a sterling lecture, and after telling me to stop asking so much questions until after the course  ;), managed to get us through the manual in 2 hours!  :thumleft:

John (Crossed-up)
Steve (SteveD)
Sean (Not WD)

Yeah, I passed as well.  ;D Going to write the Clerk of the Course exam sometime before Friday. Then we're all legal and so forth!  :deal:

Nice work...well done guys!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Garfield on June 09, 2014, 04:22:53 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on June 10, 2014, 09:34:03 am
Good job guys!! Another step towards a bigger better rally year on year, love it. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on June 10, 2014, 10:03:04 am
Good job guys!! Another step towards a bigger better rally year on year, love it. :thumleft:
+1
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Adolf Botes on June 10, 2014, 04:50:34 pm
Well done guys ! Great to see that people involved in the organizing have a clear understanding of MSA's rules .......... like i always say to riders "Learn the rules you race to - it empowers YOU !"
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dutchie on June 11, 2014, 08:54:27 am
Good job guys!! Another step towards a bigger better rally year on year, love it. :thumleft:
+1
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 11, 2014, 12:30:17 pm
I've found that with the Amageza organisation, kissing butt doesn't work. 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 11, 2014, 08:00:09 pm
I've found that with the Amageza organisation, kissing butt doesn't work. 

:imaposer: True

But pissies will never be heroes either. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on June 17, 2014, 03:46:31 pm
Saw an amageza add in the dirt mag, talking about living out of 2 truncks for five days...2 truncks??? Meaning we will have to double up on all???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 17, 2014, 04:00:40 pm
Saw an amageza add in the dirt mag, talking about living out of 2 truncks for five days...2 truncks??? Meaning we will have to double up on all???
U can live out of one if you want  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 17, 2014, 10:02:15 pm
I've found that with the Amageza organisation, kissing butt doesn't work. 

:imaposer: True

But pussies will never be heroes either. :thumleft:

Graphic evidence that BlueBull talks shit:

(http://edgetulsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/CatSuperhero.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 17, 2014, 10:04:54 pm
And more

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/textarticle_640/2014/05/15/herocat.jpg)

and more...

(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Tara-the-Hero-Cat-Receives-Offers-to-Appear-on-Magazine-Covers-442501-4.jpg)

and more:

(http://geeksdoingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Superhero-cat-superman-n-batman.jpg)

Sigh.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 17, 2014, 10:06:43 pm
They're everywhere...

(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/club937.com/files/2014/05/bat-cat.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 17, 2014, 10:07:56 pm
Need I go on?

(https://stampics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/cat-hero-tara-stamp-300x300.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 18, 2014, 12:02:38 am
:imaposer:

No, your made your point very well.  O0  ;D



















Except I didn´t say pussies  :patch:











I said pissies will never be héroes.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissy)

 :laughing4:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 18, 2014, 12:06:37 am
:) exakkery.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: REVS on June 26, 2014, 04:52:33 pm
I have a limited amount of Michelin mousses in stock, front and rear. R1 900ea excl postage.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on June 29, 2014, 11:45:49 am
2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye: Recce Update

Knowing my dogs might bite me on my return I left Cape Town in my trusty Jeep Wrangler with only one objective in mind: Complete the route. I was not coming home until this was done. The provisional time I had set myself was 4 weeks.

Having only one mode of transport meant that I would be doing all the terrain with the Jeep. That means slow, very slow! If I knew how much I would have missed my bike, I probably would have made a plan to load it.

At 05:00 I hit the road to Upington. The GPS confirmed 811km, and 10 hours later, thanks to all the roadworks on the N7, I made it to Upington.

Sunrise just before Piketberg:
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140617_072128.jpg)
Mist covering all of Citrusdal:
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140617_081625.jpg)

The next day I started with the route I had in mind, 60 odd kilometres of liaison route for stage 1 followed by a 240km special, and finally a 20 odd kilometre liaison into Askham.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140618_113539.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140618_160739.jpg)

The idea for stage 1 is to get the braincells ready for what is to come. The stage is not to difficult. The navigation will be tricky in parts, but like last year, every competitor will have a a WP or two they can program into the GPS if they get totally lost. The terrain is mostly Kalahari sand with smallish dunes to content with. This is a shakedown stage. Last chance to make sure you are ready for the long and technical stage to come from Askham to Kakamas. In all the farmers were mostly cool with the idea. A couple of times I had to change the route due to a farmers concern, but mostly I could stick what I had planned.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140619_131230.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140619_143723.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140619_114626.jpg)

Some mornings were quite chilly:
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140620_063510.jpg)

Returning on the Friday to Upington after getting lost for 10 hours, doing only 70km in the dunes en route to Askham, I came to the conclusion that I needed more maps. I had been stuck on tracks that existed on the Jeeps 2007 maps, but not on the Garmin AfricaTopo 2011 maps, and then sometimes on paths not on any map where the grass was so long that I could not see the path. This meant making a trip to the Surveyors offices for 1:250k maps, and 1:500k aircraft maps.

The plane to Cape Town was leaving at 18:30. The next flight was only Monday afternoon. I needed to be there at 17:00 as I still needed to buy a ticket, pack a smaller bag, and get parking for the Jeep. It was 14:30, and 140km-something to go. All was good. I had 105km/h set on the cruise control and ACDC on the radio. Then the most hated sound in my Jeep popped up, the warning ding, ding, ding. Looking at the instrument panel, I found the tyre pressure warning flashing. I was 65km from Askham. This was bad.

Let me tell you. Nothing motivates a man as much as the thought of missing a flight to his family. In a flash I had my shirt off, (still needed that shirt clean for the flight), and in less than 10 minutes had changed that wheel. It was the same wheel that had a puncture on the R355 en route to the Tankwa Bike Burn.

Back on the road the GPS display read ETA Upington International at 17:05. I knew it was getting its average speed based on the snail's pace of the previous week, but this won't do. So I put it on a substantially higher speed setting with the fuel usage climbing to 14l/100km and nailed it.

Made the flight in time. Still had time to park the Jeep at the friendly family business of RAF gyrocopters at the General Aviation area of the airport.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140620_181319.jpg)

The weekend flew past, with a couple of meetings with role-players and with the Hayadu side-by-side as my sole means of transport in Cape Town, I did some orange flying to get maps and chat to some dealers.

Returning to Upington on the Wednesday I was faced with the flat tyre. So coming recommended from the RAF guys, I went in search of  Fit-It. Only later did Rickus tell me that their was another dealer run by a Wilddog in Upington! Sorry bro, next time. Any case, I regress. The sales guy had one look at that tyre with a knowing shake of the head, and I knew HKGK. And it got worse. The BF Goodrich tyres I had, could not be found in a radius of 800km. In fact, they weren't even manufactured any more, and, in fact, all my tyres have already expired! Expired? WTF? Didn’t even know they could expire! So after a substantial knock in the piggy-bank and a couple of tears later I had four new Cooper A/T's on the Jeep and off I went to meet with officialdom.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140626_152446.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140626_152513.jpg)

This was less traumatising than expected. Also popped in at BMW in Upington to say thanks for putting up the poster. Very friendly dealer principal, and allowed Kobus to take me on a tour of possible venues. That evening I met up with the first of some venues on my short list for a bivouac location, the Casino outside town. A friendly assist from the marketing manager, Vicky, and hopefully in another week, we'll know if its a go!

While searching for routes out of Upington, I made some new friends:
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140625_170910.jpg)

And then it was Friday. Darryl Curtis  had told me the previous week that Xavier from ASO (The guys that organise the Dakar) would be at the Toyota 1000 in Botswana. This was confirmed by Gillian from FIM in Botswana, and after a email to Xavier asking for a meet, and a 'You're welcome' response, I was back on cruise-control at 105km/h for the 711km trip to Jwaneng in Botswana. Crossing the border at Mafikeng was a smooth, efficient and a bit of queuing. But pretty soon I was over and hitting the road to Jwaneng. Garth Roberts from Roberts Racing had told me about the short-cut I almost missed, but pretty soon I had the sun setting in front of me 50km out of Jwaneng.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140627_150609.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140627_173613.jpg)

As this was spur-of-the-moment stuff, I had not booked any accommodation, and yes, all was taken in town by the competitors of the Desert Race. With a call to Gillian by a friendly gate official, I was given a gate pass, and could enter the bivouac area. To say I was impressed is a understatement. Those car guys have budgets most probably 10 times that of the entire 2014 Amageza Rallye budget. Holy smokes. It's rows upon rows of 20m trucks with 3 or 4 race vehicles bathed in fluorescent. Searching for somebody official I bumped into a 7ft giant in shorts braaing. He directed me to the officials, and I managed to rustle up a camping spot 11km out of town. Luckily I had my tent, so all good. On my way out, I passed the braaing again, and found this friendly giant to be none other than Sarel van Biljon. Some of you might remember that he did very well in the quad category in the Dakar 2 years ago, and was in the top 3 until he had mechanical issues. He was there driving a Toyota race-bakkie. We had a long chat, and off-course I invited him to Amageza this year.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140627_192133.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140627_191406.jpg)

Off to the campsite then. At 20:00 I had been on the road since 06:00 and had only eaten breakfast in Kathu that morning. I decided I would live, and went to bed amongst the sounds of Kurt Darren and generators.

At 04:00 the camp broke into life again. Kurt Darren and generators. I pretended to sleep and eventually at 06:00 I dragged myself to the showers, packed and headed off to the bike start where I would meet up with Gillian who had no choice but to be my guide for the day until I could get hold and meet with Xavier. While looking after her race team, she introduced me to the key players and gave me snippits of wisdom in navigating motor-sport officialdom. All of the marshals were volunteers and what a awesome job they were doing. The cars were run by SA Offroad Racing and they were a slick well-oiled machine. The bikes were under the new Botswana Motorsport organisation, and after some hiccups with comms and marshals, the bikes could start after the cars.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140628_073854.jpg)

Sarel van Biljon's bakkie
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140628_080445.jpg)

The local radio station cornered me, and asked me who I was supporting, Sarel, of course!

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140628_080825.jpg)
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140628_082843.jpg)

We will have 5 of these on the Amageza this year.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/camelman_ktm/Amageza%202014/IMG_20140628_083308.jpg)

Let me tell you, if you don't get goose-pumps from hearing those racing Toyota's and Ford's hit third gear in so many seconds, you are missing a vital part of your anatomy! It's really something!!

So I was sitting around the pits being a nuisance to all, but Gillian could eventually link me up with Xavier when the cars completed their race at 14:00. And a great meeting it was.
Xavier will have a look at us, and we will perform like everything depends on it, because if we do well, we could get the Dakar Challenge in a year or two. So to confirm what I said in 2011. The objective of Amageza is to be the race closest resembling the Dakar to be used as a training and stepping stone for the riders to get to Dakar.

This my friends are up to us, you and I. My dedicated crew and I will do our damnedest to give you the best rally experience we can. I will make sure the route is once more as close as I can get it to the duration and difficulty found on the mighty Dakar. You will have the opportunity to show just how close our local riders are to being Dakar-ready. Because that is what ASO needs. They cannot give a entry to a rider without them being sure that he has a better than probable chance of completing the Dakar. They want a guy who will malle-moto style, survive every day, fix his bike, navigate like a post-dove and be tougher than Bear Gryllis's camera man!

If you have been riding the fence for the past three years, now my friend, enter now. From next year, no race CV, no entry. This is the final year you can enter Amageza on your word.

I know the talent of the riders out there, else I would never have started Amageza. This year is critical for Rallye racing in Southern Africa. After the NAR-saga, we owe it to show FIM that we can have a international-class event in Southern Africa. Let's not that the only racing to be done cross-country style be the car-guys. The saying 'Who dares, wins'. I'm daring all and have done so for 4 years. Enter my friends. Lets do this!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on June 29, 2014, 01:40:27 pm
Great story, Alex - I'm amped and ready to go  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ruger1 on June 29, 2014, 02:47:18 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: an epic adventure awaits :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 29, 2014, 06:03:21 pm
320 km first day? Lyk maklik man....

:komet:





4 months to go!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on June 29, 2014, 06:05:12 pm
How many are we so far?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on June 29, 2014, 07:47:04 pm
...Upwards and onwards  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 29, 2014, 09:20:31 pm
Wooohooo Alex!!


Im soo stoked for you boet. Your dream is coming true.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on June 29, 2014, 09:55:31 pm
Xavier will have a look at us, and we will perform like everything depends on it, because if we do well, we could get the Dakar Challenge in a year or two.

Hier kom 'n ding, en dis 'n lekker ding....
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on June 30, 2014, 02:19:47 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on June 30, 2014, 08:26:24 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: g1_ on June 30, 2014, 12:14:43 pm
Awesome stuff!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 01, 2014, 10:07:02 am
Quick question please. We are busing doing sums and putting together a proposal. How does petrol work? I assume it's for each riders account? How much fuel do you need to carry on the bike? Do you need to finish the entire stage on what you carry?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 01, 2014, 10:46:08 am
Never mind, managed to answer my question through a little light reading  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on July 01, 2014, 11:26:16 am
Hang around me, you should be fine...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 01, 2014, 11:27:33 am
Hang around me, you should be fine...

I won't be able to keep up  :P
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on July 01, 2014, 11:27:51 am
I'm stoked and I am not even riding  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on July 01, 2014, 11:47:11 am
Hang around me, you should be fine...

I won't be able to keep up  :P

That's all a myth. It's a navigation exercise, not a race. :biggrin:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: White Rhino on July 01, 2014, 11:54:48 am
Brilliant - Look forward to the day when SA hosts a top international event like the Dakar.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 01, 2014, 11:56:13 am
Hang around me, you should be fine...

I won't be able to keep up  :P

That's all a myth. It's a navigation exercise, not a race. :biggrin:

I got lost in my shower once. I am actually holding thumbs our plans don't work out because I don't want to die alone in the desert  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 01, 2014, 01:28:20 pm
Hang around me, you should be fine...

I won't be able to keep up  :P

That's all a myth. It's a navigation exercise, not a race. :biggrin:

I got lost in my shower once. I am actually holding thumbs our plans don't work out because I don't want to die alone in the desert  :lol8:

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 01, 2014, 01:37:39 pm
can anyone help me out with the Amageza definition of an expectable rear fuel tank please. What are the manufacturing and mounting requirements that Amageza will allow. Can it for example be a fuel cell bolted to a carrier? Coke bottle  :lol8:?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: weskus on July 01, 2014, 02:40:37 pm
can anyone help me out with the Amageza definition of an expectable rear fuel tank please. What are the manufacturing and mounting requirements that Amageza will allow. Can it for example be a fuel cell bolted to a carrier? Coke bottle  :lol8:?
Ja, jy wil mos jou goed loop-staan en verkoop... ga jy Amageza ry Dirk?? Ai, ai, as ek net die regte fiets gehad het..
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 01, 2014, 02:44:49 pm
Ai, ai, as ek net die regte fiets gehad het..

Waar is daardie Namaqua KTM van jou?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: washer6 on July 01, 2014, 10:18:07 pm
Brilliant, kan nie meer wag nie!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 02, 2014, 06:32:16 am
Does one need to take out special medial or insurance or does the standard stuff cover the event?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 02, 2014, 07:19:48 am
Does one need to take out special medial or insurance or does the standard stuff cover the event?

MSA club license (and the compulsory minimum MSA medical insurance) and normal medical aid will be enough.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 02, 2014, 07:30:52 am
Does one need to take out special medial or insurance or does the standard stuff cover the event?

MSA club license (and the compulsory minimum MSA medical insurance) and normal medical aid will be enough.

Shot  :thumleft:

And insurance on the bike?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on July 02, 2014, 07:41:52 am
Does one need to take out special medial or insurance or does the standard stuff cover the event?

MSA club license (and the compulsory minimum MSA medical insurance) and normal medical aid will be enough.

And insurance on the bike?


 :imaposer:  fire and theft

most all insurance companies will not cover for motorsport use
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: weskus on July 02, 2014, 07:47:09 am
Ai, ai, as ek net die regte fiets gehad het..

Waar is daardie Namaqua KTM van jou?
Gesmous, beste van als is dat pel hom gekoop het.. besig om hom te "convince" vir Amageza inskryf..
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: washer6 on July 02, 2014, 09:01:49 pm
Does one need to take out special medial or insurance or does the standard stuff cover the event?

MSA club license (and the compulsory minimum MSA medical insurance) and normal medical aid will be enough.

Shot  :thumleft:

And insurance on the bike?


Dwerg, just make sure with Your Broker about Motorsport activities during racing??
Some of them do not cover Life Insurance or Trauma if U are competing in a race, even if U do have it. U will have to tell them and they will decide if they are going to cover U for Races and premium will go up or they are excempt and not liable for payout if death or Trauma occurred during race.

Cheers
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 08, 2014, 12:13:12 pm
Sorry for all the questions guys, just trying to get my ducks in a row.

On the entry shopping basket, do I have to book a support package for each of the support crew members? Or does the package include the maximum allowed amount of people per support vehicle?

Do I have to book the meal packages for the support crew or do they have to individually go and register?

Also, do I need to book the camping package if the support crew will be packing and transporting our tents?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 08, 2014, 12:26:33 pm
Sorry for all the questions guys, just trying to get my ducks in a row.

On the entry shopping basket, do I have to book a support package for each of the support crew members? Or does the package include the maximum allowed amount of people per support vehicle?
No, support package is for the entire crew

Do I have to book the meal packages for the support crew or do they have to individually go and register?
No the rider can book the packages

Also, do I need to book the camping package if the support crew will be packing and transporting our tents?
No camping package required if support crew is handling it


Ok so my riding partner phoned Alex and got some answers
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bud500 on July 08, 2014, 12:56:02 pm
Lekker Dwerg!

HKGK!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 08, 2014, 01:55:51 pm
 :drif:

So tempted, but $$$$   :o :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 08, 2014, 02:03:24 pm
:drif:

So tempted, but $$$$   :o :'( :'( :'(

Ek sit myself ook bietjie in 'n gat om dit te doen maar mens kan altyd nog geld maak
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 08, 2014, 02:18:27 pm
:drif:

So tempted, but $$$$   :o :'( :'( :'(

Ek sit myself ook bietjie in 'n gat om dit te doen maar mens kan altyd nog geld maak

You can always make more money, but you cannot make more time....  :deal:

Laat ek gou gaan kyk wat is die sluitings datum...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 08, 2014, 02:21:16 pm
Entries close end July!!!  :o

Has anyone got a rear tank for my WR450???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 08, 2014, 02:58:47 pm
Sorry for all the questions guys, just trying to get my ducks in a row.

On the entry shopping basket, do I have to book a support package for each of the support crew members? Or does the package include the maximum allowed amount of people per support vehicle?
No, support package is for the entire crew

Do I have to book the meal packages for the support crew or do they have to individually go and register?
No the rider can book the packages

Also, do I need to book the camping package if the support crew will be packing and transporting our tents?
No camping package required if support crew is handling it


Ok so my riding partner phoned Alex and got some answers

Great, just the answers I needed as well. We're sort of going down in a rag-tag mob, some racers, some adventurers and some support.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on July 08, 2014, 07:19:08 pm

I said pissies will never be héroes.


  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 08, 2014, 08:27:52 pm
Did I just feel a butterfly?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 09, 2014, 02:02:03 pm
I am one step closer to the Amageza!!! thanks to N[]VA I now have the required fuel range  :thumleft:
Now just to get the entry fee together...  :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on July 09, 2014, 02:45:20 pm
I am one step closer to the Amageza!!! thanks to N[]VA I now have the required fuel range  :thumleft:
Now just to get the entry fee together...  :o
Pleasure mate!

I am getting some great practice in for filming and editing.

Planning to film the race on the 26th too
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 10, 2014, 08:53:19 am
Hey guys!

Firstly, thanks to all the guys who have entered and paid in full. You're entry fee's are keeping Amageza going!

Some of you might have noticed that I went to the Toyota 1000 Desert Race in Botswana recently to chat with the guys from ASO, organisers of the Dakar. This meeting went very well indeed. This is a excerpt from a email last night:

'.... I’ve shared my point of view on your event as well as the content of our discussion with Etienne Lavigne, Director of the Dakar. You event will definitely be in our radar screen for the future. ...'

As promised in 2011, I (we) are working flat-out to deliver a world-class cross-country rally to be used as a qualifier for Dakar. This is one step closer.

Every year I plead with the guys on the fence to make the leap. I never know from year to year if I'll make the next one financially. I just don't have time to find meaningful sponsorship, and this is critical to be able to get a marketing budget. Currently all operations are financed out of the entry fee's, which is the correct way, but that leaves us with a very small marketing budget. So if you've been wondering, guys please make the leap. Even entering as a Adventure Rider will help show ASO that we are serious about building the sport in South Africa.

Let's get the Dakar Challenge for South Africa!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 10, 2014, 08:56:01 am
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 10, 2014, 08:57:34 am
I've registered. Will pay my moto entry tomorrow  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on July 10, 2014, 09:25:15 am
Personally I do not think you can grow this event without corporate sponsorship. It really needs to be addressed - even if it means engaging a professional on a commission basis in the first instance. I am sure there are WD's out there with more experience than me in this area but seems vital for the future success of this event. Sorry just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 10, 2014, 10:31:41 am
I have no doubt that you're right Big Dom. Although I have been looking ,finding the right person for the job is proving quite a challenge.

Now Amageza is like this super loaf of bread. It never existed, and no one new what to expect. So over year's some guys found it appetising and returned, some not. The latter had a variety of reasons, from indigestion to lack of appetite. But because the bakery is trying to expand, to compete with the industrial size bakers, all proceeds are reinvested in bigger ovens. Very little is left over to tell the world about the awesome bread. Although the baker knows that not advertising is like winking in the dark, (you know you're winking, but no one else does) he has to choose. Keep baking awesome bread by investing in infrastructure, or don't grow and try to increase sales. But the baker knows that other guys are seeing this awesome bread as a money-making opportunity, and are able to sell their bread event though its inferior in every way, but he is to stupid or stubborn to let go. So as soon as he can get time to buy a little known book called 'Marketing for idiots with no money', he will up his marketing game, and hopefully get more people to buy his bread. Untill then he is doing the only things he is good at, and that is baking bread.  ;D

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on July 10, 2014, 10:43:15 am
Keep baking that bread Alex  ;D

 I really want to try make a plan to do this Amageza  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 10, 2014, 11:38:58 am
Hmmm brood  :drif:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: B2B on July 10, 2014, 09:11:16 pm
Cheers to the Baker :thumleft: From small beginnings come great things.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 10:24:47 am
Entered and paid. Dear god what have I done  :-[ :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 11, 2014, 10:35:58 am
Entered and paid. Dear god what have I done  :-[ :lol8:
:blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7:
I salute you in all of your madness.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Buff on July 11, 2014, 10:43:03 am
Entered and paid. Dear god what have I done  :-[ :lol8:

 :laughing4: Gooi mielies  :ricky: That new 690 is not going to know what hit it  ;)

Alex, I have no doubt that your tenacity is going to pay off. It's just a matter of time before your stars align and someone with cash sees what we see in this event and then the sky is the limit. Keep plugging at it boet, you're on the right path  :thumleft:

I'm just waiting patiently to see how my leg recovers before I pull the trigger on the Adventure ride, no chance of me racing this year after my long layoff.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 12:03:51 pm
 :lol8:

I am just hoping my riding partner signs in soon so I am not the only noob in the club
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on July 11, 2014, 12:10:20 pm
You're not!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on July 11, 2014, 12:12:55 pm
Cheers to the Baker :thumleft: From small beginnings come great things.

Ja the bread will rise I am sure  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 12:18:16 pm
You're not!

You've at least done some regional offroads. Do you have any more lined up? Was thinking I should maybe do one of the GOC races with my 690 just to get my cherry popped
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: J-dog on July 11, 2014, 12:23:37 pm
You're not!

You've at least done some regional offroads. Do you have any more lined up? Was thinking I should maybe do one of the GOC races with my 690 just to get my cherry popped

Enter an enduro race with the 690  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 12:45:40 pm
What are you guys doing WRT the fixed water requirement? I was looking at the bashplates with tanks but those are almost mad expensive
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 11, 2014, 01:15:10 pm
Dwerg, Good for you bud, its a scarey reality taking that plunge! :thumleft:

I am going to be having the talk with the Mrs. today, shes not too keen on rallies after I broke my leg. And in between moving to another continent, new job, I need to find the time and a place to start training in northern Spain ::)

Re wáter tank: scroll through some of the rally build threads (check the Racing Index thread) :deal: and you will find a couple of ideas for a pooratech jobbie.

Re busting your cherrie: I would not recommend you try an enduro on your 690. If you can ride dirt for 10-12 hours/day 2-3 days in a row you will be fine. An alternative is to take you 690 to an mx track. They will look at you funny, but it is by far the best workout you will get. Dont be a hero and get air time. Rather ride it like you would an adventure route , and you will be surprised at the workout! If you can stay on that track for 2-3 hours with a 5 minute break each hour you will be Amageza ready. You´ll also impress the MX boys who only hit it for 20-30 laps at a time. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on July 11, 2014, 01:29:06 pm
Dwerg, Good for you bud, its a scarey reality taking that plunge! :thumleft:

I am going to be having the talk with the Mrs. today, shes not too keen on rallies after I broke my leg. And in between moving to another continent, new job, I need to find the time and a place to start training in northern Spain ::)

Re wáter tank: scroll through some of the rally build threads (check the Racing Index thread) :deal: and you will find a couple of ideas for a pooratech jobbie.

Re busting your cherrie: I would not recommend you try an enduro on your 690. If you can ride dirt for 10-12 hours/day 2-3 days in a row you will be fine. An alternative is to take you 690 to an mx track. They will look at you funny, but it is by far the best workout you will get. Dont be a hero and get air time. Rather ride it like you would an adventure route , and you will be surprised at the workout! If you can stay on that track for 2-3 hours with a 5 minute break each hour you will be Amageza ready. You´ll also impress the MX boys who only hit it for 20-30 laps at a time. ;D

remind her that you didn't break the leg on a  ralley!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 01:38:32 pm
Shot BB  :thumleft:

Yeah I have 2 mx tracks close to me and both are on the training schedule. I've been around one of them and it's got quite deep sand so it's a good workout. I was looking at doing one of the last two offroad races for the year, not enduros but they still have rocky climbs that would probably just damage a 690 so that's out. We've got quite a mixed training schedule planned but I'll start a thread on that when the time comes. Cocky kindly volunteered to put some pressure on KTM Cape Town so I'll hopefully get the bike in 3 weeks tops.

Are you planning on coming for Amageza is the missus does ok it?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 11, 2014, 02:19:58 pm
What are you guys doing WRT the fixed water requirement? I was looking at the bashplates with tanks but those are almost mad expensive

DIY

(http://i60.tinypic.com/23si2vt.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 11, 2014, 02:40:47 pm
Shot BB  :thumleft:

Yeah I have 2 mx tracks close to me and both are on the training schedule. I've been around one of them and it's got quite deep sand so it's a good workout. I was looking at doing one of the last two offroad races for the year, not enduros but they still have rocky climbs that would probably just damage a 690 so that's out. We've got quite a mixed training schedule planned but I'll start a thread on that when the time comes. Cocky kindly volunteered to put some pressure on KTM Cape Town so I'll hopefully get the bike in 3 weeks tops.

Are you planning on coming for Amageza is the missus does ok it?

Ja, Im very very keen. The Amageza 2014 is going to be one of the best rallies to do in the world IMO.

Also got to get the boss to okay it, but I think it will be easier just to say sorry afterwards ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on July 11, 2014, 02:47:41 pm
Hey Scooterbike

Ek en Dwerg wou juis hoor of jy ons nie kan sponsor nie ha ha ha. Desember wou jy vir ons n geldjie gee toe ons so verwaarloos daar opdaag.

Inskrywing betaal nou is daar nie omdraai nie.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 11, 2014, 02:52:00 pm
Shot BB  :thumleft:

Yeah I have 2 mx tracks close to me and both are on the training schedule. I've been around one of them and it's got quite deep sand so it's a good workout. I was looking at doing one of the last two offroad races for the year, not enduros but they still have rocky climbs that would probably just damage a 690 so that's out. We've got quite a mixed training schedule planned but I'll start a thread on that when the time comes. Cocky kindly volunteered to put some pressure on KTM Cape Town so I'll hopefully get the bike in 3 weeks tops.

Are you planning on coming for Amageza is the missus does ok it?

loopsoosstroop does the GOCs on his Amageza bike, as does aka.goliath. The 690 will handle it with ease as long as you're not going for a win - 4 hours non-stop fun - and the climbs are easy with torquey bikes.

As for water, I've put a 1 litre bottle inside a piece 0f 110mm pipe and attached it on front of my bashplate, as others do with tooltubes.
Another option is to fit 2 x 500ml coke bottles in a 'hidden' place - not that you have any on a bike.

But looking at bill the bong's idea has got me thinking - maybe I can build a 'square/flat'tank to go in front of the bashplate - will look better than a 'Saint Bernard' tube.

For me the Amageza is a one-off so there's no way I'm spending megabucks on anything - a trick bike looks great, though
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on July 11, 2014, 02:57:26 pm
Entered and paid. Dear god what have I done  :-[ :lol8:

Surprise Dwerg!!!

 I Piad. You are not alone (Sounds like a song i probably should not know)

He He. Hou vas
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2014, 03:31:45 pm
Entered and paid. Dear god what have I done  :-[ :lol8:

Surprise Dwerg!!!

 I Piad. You are not alone (Sounds like a song i probably should not know)

He He. Hou vas

J tot die mag twee bringing up the rear  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 11, 2014, 06:06:12 pm
Well done guys. Entries are looking much better today than Monday!  :thumleft:

A tool-tube with a water-bladder is fine. That time of the year in those parts can be anything from 25 C to 45 C.

If you can load a total of 4 litres, do it. The fixed water tank is so that if you fly over your handlebars and land on your back, killing your water-bladder dead, you still have some fluid. That's the difference between getting to the bivouac on your bike or not!

Amageza Rule 1-5978. Always plan for the worst. Anything else is a bonus!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on July 11, 2014, 11:49:52 pm
Yup I plan to bolt a tool tube with 1.5L bottle of water and extra rations onto my bashplate. Should do the trick.

I'm quite curious what has everyone planned to take on the bike with them besides tools and first aid of course. What kinda supplies - extra oil, food rations etc?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 12, 2014, 01:01:42 pm
An MP3 player for the liaisons  :thumleft:

We'll have to keep to the speed limits, while the adventure riders won't ..............
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 12, 2014, 05:11:54 pm
Hey Scooterbike

Ek en Dwerg wou juis hoor of jy ons nie kan sponsor nie ha ha ha. Desember wou jy vir ons n geldjie gee toe ons so verwaarloos daar opdaag.

Inskrywing betaal nou is daar nie omdraai nie.

 :imaposer:
ja shame julle het soos bergies gelyk!
as alles goed loop sien ek julle daar!
gooi mielies
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 13, 2014, 01:28:55 pm
We'll have to keep to the speed limits, while the adventure riders won't ..............

Oh yes they will. Or the wrath of Camelman will descend upon them. A bunch of lawless cowboys jaaging around pissing off all the locals will not be good for the Amageza name. If the Adventure guys want to race, they need to enter the race.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 14, 2014, 08:08:18 am
Spent the day yesterday in the dunes at Maraisburg with the 650 - was not impressed with the E-09 at all. I've always enjoyed riding sand and wondered why others battled in it, but yesterday gave me a glimpse of what it can be like. First time ever that I couldn't get up the dunes and so I didn't even bother with the big dune.

Had it at about 1.2 bar and it has about 50% tread left - was spinning all over the place, couldn't get traction like I'm used to - I'll be going back to D606s for the amageza - even if I have to take 2 or 3.

In their defence, it is extremely dry now and the sand is deep and powdery but still, no matter how good these tyres are, I can't trust them to carry me up dunes on an underpowered KLR.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 14, 2014, 10:19:27 am
Cracker, not tyre pressure perhaps? My bike does not climb with any tyre if the pressure is 1.2 bar. At 0.5-0.8 it does much better. What minimum can you run before it starts to de-bead?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on July 14, 2014, 11:37:08 am
Cracker, not tyre pressure perhaps? My bike does not climb with any tyre if the pressure is 1.2 bar. At 0.5-0.8 it does much better. What minimum can you run before it starts to de-bead?

I would agree - the Mitas E09 Dakar side wall is also very hard and needs proper deflating to increase footprint.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 14, 2014, 11:44:26 am
I've been using the Michelin Rally Race since 2012. Not one puncture (touch wood), and grips on anything. Very hard to come by though!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 14, 2014, 12:04:43 pm
Cracker, not tyre pressure perhaps? My bike does not climb with any tyre if the pressure is 1.2 bar. At 0.5-0.8 it does much better. What minimum can you run before it starts to de-bead?

I would agree - the Mitas E09 Dakar side wall is also very hard and needs proper deflating to increase footprint.

Maybe that's a good thing for this type of rally. The E-09 sticks to the rim even when flat, so you can still crawl along with a flat tyre. And they last long.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 14, 2014, 01:40:20 pm
I've fitted rimlocks anyway to keep the tyre on in case of deflation.  I'd normally run at 1 bar when off-road but this bike is doing mostly fast hardpack, rocks with the occasional sand and mud thrown in. Lower pressures don't bother me at all but I don't wanna mess around with pressures while riding.

I was initially hoping to use one tyre for the whole race. At low pressures this tyre's gonna get chomped quickly. Now if the E-09 can't do the whole race and I'm changing tyres anyway, there's no point in sticking with it, other than the harder sidewalls. The D606 might puncture easier but it'll be a whole lot easier to remove when fixing said puncture.

And with a 17-inch rim, my choice is limited.

Now you mention it, though, the tyre didn't seem to change shape easily at 1.2bar - looks as solid as 2 or 3 bar.

Many others swear by this tyre and it's twin, the T63, but I think they're kak - In fairness, I'll give it another go at lower pressures and see ..............
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on July 14, 2014, 02:38:28 pm
I'm very surprised you find such a difference between a D606 and T63 or E09 as to say one gets up a dune and the other can't. Always found E09 very tough and hard wearing - I'd thought pretty much THE toughest and hardest wearing tyre on the rally market. I know they are supposed to be pretty tough to change but got the 130/18 off and back on my 690 without too much trouble on a trip earlier this year. Everything's a trade off, I guess. C02?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 14, 2014, 02:43:50 pm
I've fitted rimlocks anyway to keep the tyre on in case of deflation.  I'd normally run at 1 bar when off-road but this bike is doing mostly fast hardpack, rocks with the occasional sand and mud thrown in. Lower pressures don't bother me at all but I don't wanna mess around with pressures while riding.

I was initially hoping to use one tyre for the whole race. At low pressures this tyre's gonna get chomped quickly. Now if the E-09 can't do the whole race and I'm changing tyres anyway, there's no point in sticking with it, other than the harder sidewalls. The D606 might puncture easier but it'll be a whole lot easier to remove when fixing said puncture.

And with a 17-inch rim, my choice is limited.

Now you mention it, though, the tyre didn't seem to change shape easily at 1.2bar - looks as solid as 2 or 3 bar.

Many others swear by this tyre and it's twin, the T63, but I think they're kak - In fairness, I'll give it another go at lower pressures and see ..............

I ran the E09 Dakar at 0.8 bar last Amageza.  Lasted well.  KTM 690.  No grip at 1.2 bar.  Don't think it will make 5 days at 0.8 - 1.2 bar.  I'm running enduro knobblies this year, plan to change along the way.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 14, 2014, 03:26:13 pm
Many others swear by this tyre and it's twin, the T63, but I think they're kak - In fairness, I'll give it another go at lower pressures and see ..............

My experience with the T63 is not very good, i.m.o. mainly due to how low it's knobs are. It was horrible in soft sand at any pressure. Is the E09 similar in pattern?

I've had way better results in sand with tyres with higher knobs, such as the Metzler MC4 and my current Michelin AC-10. But most of these are not available in 17".
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on July 14, 2014, 03:42:29 pm
Everything's a trade off, I guess. C02?
I have two C02 17" that I bought from WayneH for last years geza.  One is still brand new other has plenty of tread - only used for two days of the safari and a couple of local off road rides.  If you are interested can take some snaps.
PS: husky has 18" rims thats why I don't need them.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 14, 2014, 04:28:02 pm
I'm very surprised you find such a difference between a D606 and T63 or E09 as to say one gets up a dune and the other can't. Always found E09 very tough and hard wearing - I'd thought pretty much THE toughest and hardest wearing tyre on the rally market. I know they are supposed to be pretty tough to change but got the 130/18 off and back on my 690 without too much trouble on a trip earlier this year. Everything's a trade off, I guess. C02?

It's not to say it can't get up a dune - it just didn't, with all else being equal. It surprised me that a tyre can be so different on terrain I've ridden so many times. CO2s are an option - I just mention D606s coz that's what I've been using since I can remember so I know what to expect.

Will be in touch, saklx650c  :thumleft:

LoopSoosStroop - the E-09 and T63 are the same thing  :peepwall: :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 14, 2014, 05:16:06 pm
k, moving on from the tyres - where's the best place to get the necessary 2-way radio? I know zip about radios so will need direction here.

and I sort of remember reading that the RB instructions will be in french - is that so?

AND - I managed to smash my water-tube attached to the bashplate on a big rock - so it's back to the drawing board again

I'm thinking of removing the coolant overflow bottle from next to the fuel tank (on the other side to the radiator) and slotting in 2 x 500ml coke bottles - not visible to the layman. I could then fit an enduro-type boil bottle at the rear of the bike for any possible overflow. Can you guys see any drawbacks to this?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on July 14, 2014, 06:13:22 pm
Hello Guys.

Just had a look at all the noise now after the Namaqua rallye. I can assure you that we will be a lot stricter at the Amageza this year with rules and regulations. We will not hesitate to disqualify riders if we see fit. The wrong actions can cause a lot of crap going forward for a lot of people.

The rules allow enough scope to have a very fun rallye without being speedcopped all the time. But be aware. There is way too much at stake here to allow problem kids.  :deal:

The pressure is on all the Marshals and our lone Organizer to run this 200% so please do not take any sanctions personally.

Now go practice and get fit. Last year's attrition rate was a bit high. :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 14, 2014, 06:44:35 pm
and I sort of remember reading that the RB instructions will be in french - is that so?

The answer is never simple, but the short version is:
The roadbooks will indeed use FIA rally lexicon.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2014%20GP%20Cross%20Country%20Rally%20%28dual%29_120314_1.pdf (http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2014%20GP%20Cross%20Country%20Rally%20%28dual%29_120314_1.pdf) is the official FIA set of rules, the lexicon is given on page 20.
Alternately go to http://www.rallynavigator.com (http://www.rallynavigator.com) and browse through/learn their tulip symbols. They should be the same.
(We have Camelman himself to thank for that)

The long version is that country specific rules can override the FIA rules, and event specific rules can override the country specific rules. So if Amageza were to choose to use unique lexicon, they could. (But they won't)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 15, 2014, 10:02:11 am
Pleco and Steve are both correct as they should know!

On speeding, rules, etc.
Rules are there to even the playing field, yes, but also to assure the landowners and government that we run a tight ship, and not a gung-ho bunch. Also why we must enforce them. Rules without strict enforcement is not worth the paper its written on. So we'll enforce all the rules strictly, especially when it comes to safety, speeding and route navigation. Safety kit will be checked every single day and randomly at stops. Don't think you can pass scrutineering, then dump your mirror and half your kit! If you wonder what we're going to enforce, just read the Dakar rules. Same thing. Our rules will be published as soon as the route is completed and we get our permanent Race Permit. (they won't give it to us without all the permissions in place thanks to the NAR debacle, and I'm not allowed to publish it incomplete (no permit number))  :-\

That being said, I've found all the guys who've taken part responsible and never have we damaged anything, and only left tracks. We'll keep it that way.

Even Adventure Riders will be checked, and their GPS track taken. Speeding, going off-route etc will be punishable up to disqualification.

On lexicons:
We use the Dakar as a template. So FIM symbols it is, as SteveD posted. Because we need a worldwide standard, I've been lobbying Mike from Rally Navigator to include the French Abbreviations in the software.

On quads and SxS:
You are not racing in the same class, hence you should have no problem when a quad wants to pass you and vica-versa. There are only 10 quads and 5 SxS's. Quads are a part of racing, so are SxS's. If you have never entered a Amageza, nor raced anything close to a rallye, your negative comments towards classes not on two wheels will be frowned upon. Until proven otherwise, they are innocent in my books, and I'll allow them to race until proven wrong. If you can't stay ahead of a quad with a 30min lead, then you chill, let the faster quads pass you (thats why you need the mirror)!

If any rider complaints about another class vehicle not allowing him to pass, we can check the accusation using the GPS log, and if found guilty the offending rider will be punished according to the GCR's and SSR's of the event.

I have found everyone entering the Amageza gentleman, and have no worries that once again this year we will have a great race with everyone just doing their best to make the finishing line!

On negative comments
Your comments are only worth where its coming from. If you never race, seldom ride and need to duckwalk anything approaching technical riding your comments weigh less than someone who have done 3 Amageza's or completed the Roof/ Dakar, etc. If you are serious about a issue, please email me. The contact detail is on the website. Don't start a massive 3 page issue here.

Regarding NAR
Let it be guy's, please.
Booker has till 15 August to fix his issues. Lets hope its not the end of the race as it would be nice to have more than one Rallye in SA don't you think? In the meantime I'll do what I can to calm the farmers and assure them that we are not evil. Its up to all of us to prove them wrong.

Now, can I please continue my hunt for sponsorship!  ;D Off next week to complete the route. So lots of phoning, planning and Google Earth to deal with!

Keep up the good work. Things are looking up!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: OverlandRider on July 15, 2014, 01:33:27 pm
Hi,

I'm hoping to enter the rally on my 690 that I'm currently riding down the west coast of Africa from UK to SA.  It's not too technical for a 690 right?

I'll have to buy a roadbook holder in SA, tyres etc (any tips?) but of course the biggest question is servicing for the rally.  Anyone know of a service team with a space?  Do the Malle Moto guys normally run Mooses or tubes?

If anybody has any tips for a roaming visitor to SA, please send me a PM!  And in the months leading up to the rally, I'd be really keen to get out and ride some of SA's great tracks :)  Take contact!

Cheers

www.overlandride.com (http://www.overlandride.com) or Facebook blog: www.facebook.com/overlandride (http://www.facebook.com/overlandride)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 15, 2014, 01:43:15 pm
Hi,

I'm hoping to enter the rally on my 690 that I'm currently riding down the west coast of Africa from UK to SA.  It's not too technical for a 690 right?

I'll have to buy a roadbook holder in SA, tyres etc (any tips?) but of course the biggest question is servicing for the rally.  Anyone know of a service team with a space?  Do the Malle Moto guys normally run Mooses or tubes?

If anybody has any tips for a roaming visitor to SA, please send me a PM!  And in the months leading up to the rally, I'd be really keen to get out and ride some of SA's great tracks :)  Take contact!

Cheers

www.overlandride.com (http://www.overlandride.com) or Facebook blog: www.facebook.com/overlandride (http://www.facebook.com/overlandride)

A 690 will be fine.  Just remove the touring racks, etc if fitted.
Roadbooks and ICOs are available in South Africa.
I'm planning on not servicing my 690 even once during the rallye, that's its main advantage over the lighter 450/500 enduro conversions.  It has ample oil capacity.  I take along a standard paper air filter (just in case).  I'm planning to change the rear tyre at the midway point, but I'll have a spare set F/R.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 15, 2014, 04:17:39 pm
Hi,

I'm hoping to enter the rally on my 690 that I'm currently riding down the west coast of Africa from UK to SA.  It's not too technical for a 690 right?

I'll have to buy a roadbook holder in SA, tyres etc (any tips?) but of course the biggest question is servicing for the rally.  Anyone know of a service team with a space?  Do the Malle Moto guys normally run Mooses or tubes?

If anybody has any tips for a roaming visitor to SA, please send me a PM!  And in the months leading up to the rally, I'd be really keen to get out and ride some of SA's great tracks :)  Take contact!

Cheers

www.overlandride.com (http://www.overlandride.com) or Facebook blog: www.facebook.com/overlandride (http://www.facebook.com/overlandride)

Are you Chris James's friend? He phoned me this AM about your situation.
If you are Keen on the Amageza Rally, get hold of me and I'll do anything I can to help - organise road books / tower etc. we can get it all built and ready for when you arrive.

I'm riding with tubes again... Mousses are just too pricey and you HAVE to change them lest they fail on you.
On a 690 you don't really need a service team per say... just take out the package and let Alex and team lug your kit around. There are quite a few guys going from Natal this year so If you are this side, no doubt there will be someone you can join to help costs.

Peter
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 15, 2014, 04:31:48 pm
Overlander, let us know where you'll be staying in SA leading up to the rally .............
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on July 16, 2014, 09:48:42 am
Hi,

I'm hoping to enter the rally on my 690 that I'm currently riding down the west coast of Africa from UK to SA.  It's not too technical for a 690 right?

I'll have to buy a roadbook holder in SA, tyres etc (any tips?) but of course the biggest question is servicing for the rally.  Anyone know of a service team with a space?  Do the Malle Moto guys normally run Mooses or tubes?

If anybody has any tips for a roaming visitor to SA, please send me a PM!  And in the months leading up to the rally, I'd be really keen to get out and ride some of SA's great tracks :)  Take contact!

Cheers

www.overlandride.com (http://www.overlandride.com) or Facebook blog: www.facebook.com/overlandride (http://www.facebook.com/overlandride)

Overlander - Just spoke to Garth Roberts and he is looking for one more rider to make up a support team.  He runs a very efficient and proper support package team.  Will PM you details for Garth if you like?  If anyone else interested let me know and I will put you in touch with Garth.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on July 17, 2014, 06:30:02 pm
You might want to get your Bike sorted in Namibia (Windhoek) unless you plan to ride al the way down to Cape Town and back again.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 18, 2014, 09:20:42 am
Do we need numberplates fitted for the Amageza?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on July 18, 2014, 09:29:01 am
Are you going to ride on a public road?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 18, 2014, 09:52:56 am
Understood  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on July 18, 2014, 09:54:27 am
Sorry for the sarcasm ;) 

Our bikes needs to be fully roadworthy!, but what a schlep!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on July 18, 2014, 10:04:31 am
Please check with Alex. You all have his email address. I am sure the below is on the Amageza site as well.

Not so black and white regarding roadworthyness etc.

Quote from him on a mail with a similar question:

Hey everyone!

We have exemption for non-licensed vehicles under the following conditions:
Driver/ Rider needs to be licensed for the category of vehicle. For a quad you need either a bike license for the same engine size motorbike or a code 8 drivers license, and Side x Side you need a minimum of a code 8 drivers license.
All machines to have head and taillight with a working brake light and at least one rear-view mirror. Additionally:
Bikes and quads vehicles have to comply with the FIM Cross-Country Rallies Technical Rules. (Download from the FIM website)
Above must also comply with the MSA Motorcycle & Quad Off Road Racing Regulations Applicable To All Events.
In the event of a discrepancy, MSA directives will take priority.
Side x Sides need to comply with MSA 2014 Cross Country SSR's for the category of vehicle competing.
Cheers,
A
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 18, 2014, 10:57:15 am
More, more!

If you are unsure of any vehicle requirement etc, do this:

Comply with all the requirements regarding your category of vehicle using the FIM Cross-Country Rallies and MSA Off-Road documents regarding your class of vehicle. MSA will always get precedence.

VERY IMPORTANT
If you miss the deadline on 1 August regarding your tracker rental, you will be issued a GSM (cellphone) based tracker and not a Iridium Satellite based tracker. The latter I have to order 3 months prior, so that ship is sailing 1 August. Nothing you can say or do can change that. The Northern Cape does not have 100% cellphone coverage, so at the very least we'll know where to start looking for you if you don't show. We have a map of cell coverage for the areas we race through, so we should find you. Your fanclub will just not be able to track you 100% of the way, neither will we!

Guys. Buying a meal package does not reserve a entry. You need either a moto-, or competitor entry with a tracker rental. The rest can be paid until 1 October 2014. If you miss the deadline you forfeit this meals you paid for, unless you sell it to a another entrant.

Email me if you are unsure. This forum is a fire-and-forget mission. I might see it, or a may not, dependant on where I am, but email I'll respond to within at least 48 hours dependant on where I'm stuck in the bush! Email function available on the WEBSITE!

May the force be with you!  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 18, 2014, 11:22:31 am
Ok, I'm having a boring/no work Friday so I looked it up - the number plate issue, that is.

FIM rule 080.7 says rules of the road of the country you are in must be abided by - so fit a plate

MSA off-road says zip about plates - not needed off-road as the only time we're on public roads is when we cross them at manned crossings - dunno about public sand roads ............

Looking at last years Amageza pics - seems they all had plates fitted - think I'll fit one!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 18, 2014, 11:26:02 am
Alex, can you post the correct FIM & MSA regs on your site please.
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Pleco on July 18, 2014, 12:08:19 pm
Ok, I'm having a boring/no work Friday so I looked it up - the number plate issue, that is.

FIM rule 080.7 says rules of the road of the country you are in must be abided by - so fit a plate

MSA off-road says zip about plates - not needed off-road as the only time we're on public roads is when we cross them at manned crossings - dunno about public sand roads ............

Looking at last years Amageza pics - seems they all had plates fitted - think I'll fit one!



I don't know how many guys have a bike that they can afford to only run as a rallye machine. Making it roadworthy makes it useable outside of Rallies. I would make the bike fully roadworthy and licensed. That 450 in traffic on the way to work every now and again makes the smile go right round your head.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 19, 2014, 08:23:46 am
Alex, can you post the correct FIM & MSA regs on your site please.
 :thumleft:

The more admin you make me do, the more difficult the route gets.  :deal: At the rate some okes are going, you might be doing 3000km of roof this year!  >:D

Check under 'Description/ Important'
http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=60 (http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=60)

NOTE: We have exemption for the route for non-roadworthy vehicles. But if you get caught off-route on a chicken-run, then you're on your own. The exemption is only valid for routes applied for. Anything else is illegal.

You as a individual still needs to be licensed according to your engine size:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
Post by: OverlandRider on July 19, 2014, 09:21:14 am
Overlander, let us know where you'll be staying in SA leading up to the rally .............

Gents, thanks so much for your response.  I'm just finishing up here in Kinshasa (fork rebuild!) and will be heading across DRC to Lubumbashi/Zam/Zim/Bot before spending some time in SA.  Should reach SA by Mid Aug time so will have plenty of time to go riding and hopefully meet some of you before heading off to the Rally. Once in SA I will sort/test the Nav tower and other equipment Sounds like I can get by Malle Moto - nice thing about having longer service intervals! 

Cheers
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on July 19, 2014, 09:47:18 am
I have a spot fir you to sleep in Kolwezi when you ride through. Have a small workshop if you need as well.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on July 20, 2014, 07:01:19 am
My bike is not roadworthy as I use it only for offroad riding.
I do have a license for motorbike and the bike has head lights & brake light.  I will fit one mirror still. I do not have indicators ,number plate and hooter though and no intention of fitting those either.
I hope I am allowed to race like this, I dont see the Dakar riders using indicators and number plates or am I just missing it?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 20, 2014, 09:58:56 am
I'd say the answer is no - reading the info on the amageza website

Best you e-mail Alex directly, rather than asking on a public forum  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on July 20, 2014, 10:39:57 am
Read Alex's reply above - he has stated months ago that bikes need not be roadworthy for the race routes and they were awarded a permit to this effect. Sad for guys who had specifically invested in roadworthy bikes but guess lucky for those like yourself...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on July 20, 2014, 09:02:56 pm
When does entries for Support Crew close?
Same date as rallye entries?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on July 21, 2014, 09:30:01 am
Read Alex's reply above - he has stated months ago that bikes need not be roadworthy for the race routes and they were awarded a permit to this effect. Sad for guys who had specifically invested in roadworthy bikes but guess lucky for those like yourself...

Thanks Big Dom

Lucky me I guess. I will give Alex a call once I am back in SA to double check on this.

Are you doing it on you HP?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 21, 2014, 10:42:31 am
You need a mirror so you can see the guy foaming at the mouth trying to pass you, and before he injures himself or you, let him pass or he can lodge a complaint with the Clerk of the Course and you can get a time penalty.

You don't need indicators if you have arms.

You don't need a license plate if you stay on route.

You need 1 litre of fixed water to your bike, and 2 litre on your back.

You need fuel for 275km.

You need a drivers license as stipulated on aforementioned website!

You need a MSA club license or temp one.

Other than this, you need everything listed on the entry form. The entry form is available for download once you paid your competitor entry. If you're not going to commit, then why do you want to download it?  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Motties on July 21, 2014, 11:00:29 am
Feck, I can't believe I am missing this one.  :xxbah:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 21, 2014, 11:08:51 am
Other than this, you need everything listed on the entry form.

So big brass balls is on the entry form?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 21, 2014, 11:12:12 am
If I ride like a p--s, do I still need big brass balls?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on July 21, 2014, 01:19:14 pm
If I ride like a p--s, do I still need big brass balls?

Yes, as you will be sleeping in the veld on your ace, hugging your exhaust for warmth, trying to scare off cape cobras with your flare gun. ;D ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 21, 2014, 01:24:05 pm
sshhhh, don't mention a flare gun - It'll end up in the bloody kit list  :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 21, 2014, 01:46:52 pm
sshhhh, don't mention a flare gun - It'll end up the bloody kit list  :o

Last year's contestants will already have 3.  You can buy one cheap cheap.  Besides the fact that it was pretty expensive, it also weighed a lot. I'm glad that its off the list.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 22, 2014, 11:27:14 am
All Paid up!!!!
woohoooooo
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Nitro on July 22, 2014, 06:43:51 pm
Paid today.

Need help knowing wat gps to run, got a foretrex 301
Will that work ??
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 22, 2014, 07:03:01 pm
Paid today.

Need help knowing wat gps to run, got a foretrex 301
Will that work ??

Nope. Unfortunately doesn't store enough points in a track (I stand to be corrected by the fundi's)
Edit.... I did some looking and evidently the 301 and 401 store 10000 points. I was mistaken... The waypoints that are sa able are 500.  Sooooo Alex and those that know...can we use the fortrex? :) be cool to have as a backup. Maybe let's test one? It would also be good to check the track point interval....to see if the 10000 points will be enough for a full days riding. Ie...can you change the interval that it saves points?
Etrex 20 or 30 is a good, small, cost effective option.... That's what I'd get. I'm gonna use a garmin GPSmap 60cx cause I can borrow my dad's one.... Will take my etrex hcx as a spare I think...
U can use the fortrex as your CAP reader... Ie mount it nice and high up.... But if I'm not mistaken the bearing on it is pretty small....and I dunno if it is true north?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Nitro on July 22, 2014, 07:45:57 pm
Thanks. Will get a Etrex

Waiting for my fairing and tank for my husky Te 511.
Than will do some test rides, going to make own road book for practice if your keen to join
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 22, 2014, 08:05:35 pm
Thanks. Will get a Etrex

Waiting for my fairing and tank for my husky Te 511.
Than will do some test rides, going to make own road book for practice if your keen to join
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=147765.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=147765.0)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 22, 2014, 09:16:15 pm
Thanks. Will get a Etrex

Good call.
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=147765.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=147765.0) is the thread discussing various options.

You need something robust and reliable. We can stitch bits of track together for you, but we can do nothing about missing bits, so please don't have any. For the same reason, you need to mount the GPS so that it gets good signal.
You need to be able to set the recording interval to 1 second, and then record at that rate for as long as a day will take you. 100000 points is around 27 hours, by which time you probably need to get the message and stop.
Recording has to be in GPX format, so that MapSource can read it.
We need to be able to import the track from your GPS device chop-chop when you arrive triumphantly at the finish of the days ride. Plug in via USB cable is preferred.

You can test all of this beforehand yourself. Log a training ride (>3 hours takes you beyond 10000 points), download the GPX into MapSource, and confirm that the recording intervals are genuinely 1 second, with no holes.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 23, 2014, 06:54:48 am
Passed my Motorsport SA Clerk of the Course exam for off-road motorcycles and quads. So guess who's your Clerk of the Course for the 2014 Amageza!  >:D

When dealing with the GPS issue, these are the important requirements for the device.
- Record 12 hours worth of track at 1sec intervals in GPX format.
- The ability to show current digital compass heading (also called bearing).
- The ability to add waypoints manually.
- The ability to route direct to a waypoint.
- Water and Dust proof (IP67).
- Trustworthy power supply.

When dealing with fuel:
-According to MSA 2014 Senior Motorcycle and Quad regulation 352 - Penalties - Exclusion: For carrying fuel, other than in the tank or container permanently attached to machine.

The docs are available for download here (at the bottom  ;)): http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=60 (http://amageza.com/web/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=60)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on July 23, 2014, 08:52:48 am
Passed my Motorsport SA Clerk of the Course exam for off-road motorcycles and quads. So guess who's your Clerk of the Course for the 2014 Amageza!  >:D



 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on July 23, 2014, 08:55:31 am
Entries are closing for Iridium-based satellite trackers on 1 August 2014. After this date only GSM-based (cell-based) trackers are available till the close of entries on 1 September 2014.
GSM-based trackers does not have 100% coverage for the route which means your fans won't be able to track you 100% of the way!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Nitro on July 23, 2014, 11:15:03 am


When dealing with the GPS issue, these are the important requirements for the device.
- Record 12 hours worth of track at 1sec intervals in GPX format.
- The ability to show current digital compass heading (also called bearing).
- The ability to add waypoints manually.
- The ability to route direct to a waypoint.
- Water and Dust proof (IP67).
- Trustworthy power supply.


I assume a Etrex 20 does all of the above, I trust batteries as my power supply and will change them daily.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on July 23, 2014, 11:28:56 am
Entries are closing for Iridium-based satellite trackers on 1 August 2014. After this date only GSM-based (cell-based) trackers are available till the close of entries on 1 September 2014.
GSM-based trackers does not have 100% coverage for the route which means your fans won't be able to track you 100% of the way!
Does this then mean that the entry fee will reduce by R3000.00.  Any saving will be great when trying to talk to the bank manager.  PS: she is my only fan - savings vs her dear beloved?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on July 23, 2014, 11:56:56 am
 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 23, 2014, 01:37:45 pm


When dealing with the GPS issue, these are the important requirements for the device.
- Record 12 hours worth of track at 1sec intervals in GPX format.
- The ability to show current digital compass heading (also called bearing).
- The ability to add waypoints manually.
- The ability to route direct to a waypoint.
- Water and Dust proof (IP67).
- Trustworthy power supply.


I assume a Etrex 20 does all of the above, I trust batteries as my power supply and will change them daily.


Yes.
 Use energizer lithium batts. They last frikkin forever  :ricky: I'm still using the ones i used on Amageza last year when I ride offroad. New set every day....just to be safe.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 23, 2014, 01:44:56 pm
I also use energizer lithium. Lasts about 3 days in my Oregon 300
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Snafu on July 24, 2014, 01:50:40 pm
Passed my Motorsport SA Clerk of the Course exam for off-road motorcycles and quads. So guess who's your Clerk of the Course for the 2014 Amageza!  >:D


Well done!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 25, 2014, 10:31:31 am
Who is using which rear tyre?
I am between the Desert Race and  E09. The E09 imo can potentially last the 3000km, and its cheaper. But if it does not last then a bitch to get off.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on July 25, 2014, 10:35:21 am
Who is using which rear tyre?
I am between the Desert Race and  E09. The E09 imo can potentially last the 3000km, and its cheaper. But if it does not last then a bitch to get off.

Ek het nou D606 op gesit en moet se sover glad nie bad nie en baie goed geprys
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on July 26, 2014, 03:47:49 pm
Ok, I have now completed a road book for basic self-training purposes and invite anyone to come and prepare for the Amageza and to hone up your navigation skills with Road Book.  This has taken me 3 weeks to finalize and I think I have put together a really lekker ride.  The plan is for next Saturday the 2nd Aug.   The location is in the North West, Magalies, Hartbeespoort Dam.  There are quite a few riders already confirmed. There is at this stage only 12 road books available.  If there is a bigger interest I will have more printed.  I am only charging for the price of the road book to be made which I will confirm early next week, but looking in the region of R150 - R250.   This is a long ride of 435km and will take you at least 6-7 hours to ride.  So this will give you good time in the saddle, a continuous navigational challenge, and a little taster of what you could expect on the Amageza.  The riding itself is mostly moderate as I wanted you to concentrate more on the navigation, rather than hectic riding terrain, however there are a few tricky bits.  So if you are keen, then come and join next week Saturday and let’s ride.  PM if interested for more details.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2014, 04:31:22 pm
Myself and Bazinga would be interested. I don't have my bike yet but I'd like the roadbook to go do the route at a later stage if that's ok?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 26, 2014, 04:45:52 pm
Ok, I have now completed a road book for basic self-training purposes and invite anyone to come and prepare for the Amageza and to hone up your navigation skills with Road Book.  This has taken me 3 weeks to finalize and I think I have put together a really lekker ride.  The plan is for next Saturday the 2nd Aug.   The location is in the North West, Magalies, Hartbeespoort Dam.  There are quite a few riders already confirmed. There is at this stage only 12 road books available.  If there is a bigger interest I will have more printed.  I am only charging for the price of the road book to be made which I will confirm early next week, but looking in the region of R150 - R250.   This is a long ride of 435km and will take you at least 6-7 hours to ride.  So this will give you good time in the saddle, a continuous navigational challenge, and a little taster of what you could expect on the Amageza.  The riding itself is mostly moderate as I wanted you to concentrate more on the navigation, rather than hectic riding terrain, however there are a few tricky bits.  So if you are keen, then come and join next week Saturday and let’s ride.  PM if interested for more details.

Good work Cactus-jack! At least one member of team Subtech is doing some training!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on July 26, 2014, 06:20:35 pm
Myself and Bazinga would be interested. I don't have my bike yet but I'd like the roadbook to go do the route at a later stage if that's ok?

If there are road books available after the week-end, then no problem Dwerg.  Thanks for the interest.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2014, 07:51:42 pm
Myself and Bazinga would be interested. I don't have my bike yet but I'd like the roadbook to go do the route at a later stage if that's ok?

If there are road books available after the week-end, then no problem Dwerg.  Thanks for the interest.  :thumleft:

I'll gladly pay if you can order me one
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on July 26, 2014, 09:31:18 pm
Road book for me too please
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on July 26, 2014, 11:13:15 pm
I'm racing at the GOC that Saturday, but would love to try this roadbook later on. Please can I order one, and obviously willing to pay.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 27, 2014, 12:58:10 am
So I finally registered on the Amageza website so I can enter. Wife gave me the :thumleft: tonight :ricky: :blob3:

But now I have to be approved before I can go shopping on the Amageza website :dontknow:

Did anyone else have this problem? Any sage advice please?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on July 27, 2014, 07:37:57 am
Road book for me too please
I Also have a time issue on the second.
Will we be able to do this. Bit later as we'll?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Stef on July 27, 2014, 07:57:44 pm
Road book for me too please
I Also have a time issue on the second.
Will we be able to do this. Bit later as we'll?
Also a time issue,
If possible, would like to purchase a roadbook as well.


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Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 28, 2014, 08:01:25 am
So I finally registered on the Amageza website so I can enter. Wife gave me the :thumleft: tonight :ricky: :blob3:

But now I have to be approved before I can go shopping on the Amageza website :dontknow:

Did anyone else have this problem? Any sage advice please?

That's how it works, BB. You should get an e-mail back confirming your registration - then you go shopping.  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Time is limited, though, so drop Alex an e-mail just to confirm.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 28, 2014, 08:03:32 am
Okay i got it sorted, thanks Cracker! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 28, 2014, 08:27:41 am
entered and paid.....   :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 28, 2014, 08:34:36 am
Wonder how many entries so far?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 28, 2014, 08:36:19 am
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 28, 2014, 08:54:38 am
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)

Thanks, was lanklaas op die site!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on July 28, 2014, 12:19:18 pm
Alex said there will be 4 classes this year. Supported 450 and smaller, 451 and larger. Malle Moto 450 and smaller, 451 and larger.
I wonder what the split will be between the classes. I will be Malle Moto 450. What are the rest of you guys racing?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 28, 2014, 03:31:55 pm
so far supported 451 and up - but paying malle moto just in case ..............
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: wayneh on July 28, 2014, 07:12:22 pm
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)

...There's actually over 70 registered... the current entry system just shows those that have paid the, or more than the, minimum deposit.  :deal:  I also heard this weekend we're gonna receive a few more riders from Europe this year (besides BB).

Markdiver... awesome initiative with creating the roadbook training route.  :ricky:  For those that have not had the pleasure of riding via roadbook, doing a training session like this is priceless. Will seriously help take all the pressure of the unknown out of receiving stage one's roadbook at the rallye.  :eek7:

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 29, 2014, 07:52:51 am
Wow Wayne thats really awesome news. I heard there might be a few big names coming?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 29, 2014, 07:54:05 am
Wow Wayne thats really awesome news. I heard there might be a few big names coming?

Jy het reg gehoor tjomma!!! Ek en Bazinga gaan daar wees  :imaposer:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156026.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156026.0)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 29, 2014, 08:50:03 am
Wow Wayne thats really awesome news. I heard there might be a few big names coming?

Jy het reg gehoor tjomma!!! Ek en Bazinga gaan daar wees 

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156026.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156026.0)

 :laughing4: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 29, 2014, 09:45:54 am
Anyone keen to join me tomorrow?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156127.new#new (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=156127.new#new)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on July 29, 2014, 07:02:02 pm
Wow Wayne thats really awesome news. I heard there might be a few big names coming?

Thanks WayneH, this will definitely give a little taster of what Alex has for us for just 1 day , MAYBE!!!.  I am firm believer of time in the saddle!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on July 29, 2014, 09:09:28 pm
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)

...There's actually over 70 registered... the current entry system just shows those that have paid the, or more than the, minimum deposit.  :deal:  I also heard this weekend we're gonna receive a few more riders from Europe this year (besides BB).

Markdiver... awesome initiative with creating the roadbook training route.  :ricky:  For those that have not had the pleasure of riding via roadbook, doing a training session like this is priceless. Will seriously help take all the pressure of the unknown out of receiving stage one's roadbook at the rallye.  :eek7:

 ;D

Oh dear, it seems the pressure's on you now, BB .............................   :peepwall: :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on July 30, 2014, 11:35:27 am
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)

...There's actually over 70 registered... the current entry system just shows those that have paid the, or more than the, minimum deposit.  :deal:  I also heard this weekend we're gonna receive a few more riders from Europe this year (besides BB).

Markdiver... awesome initiative with creating the roadbook training route.  :ricky:  For those that have not had the pleasure of riding via roadbook, doing a training session like this is priceless. Will seriously help take all the pressure of the unknown out of receiving stage one's roadbook at the rallye.  :eek7:

 ;D

Oh dear, it seems the pressure's on you now, BB .............................   :peepwall: :peepwall:



What about the Capies? Is anybody doing a roadbook warm up or training thingy down here?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on July 30, 2014, 11:59:49 am
Wonder how many entries so far?

48 according to the website

http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html)

...There's actually over 70 registered... the current entry system just shows those that have paid the, or more than the, minimum deposit.  :deal:  I also heard this weekend we're gonna receive a few more riders from Europe this year (besides BB).

Markdiver... awesome initiative with creating the roadbook training route.  :ricky:  For those that have not had the pleasure of riding via roadbook, doing a training session like this is priceless. Will seriously help take all the pressure of the unknown out of receiving stage one's roadbook at the rallye.  :eek7:

 ;D

Oh dear, it seems the pressure's on you now, BB .............................   :peepwall: :peepwall:



What about the Capies? Is anybody doing a roadbook warm up or training thingy down here?

We have the suiplappe threads. The roadbooks appears on a Friday and there is normally a selection of 3 or so. Most don't bother printing it out but commit it to memory and play it by beer.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 30, 2014, 12:26:49 pm
Oh dear, it seems the pressure's on you now, BB .............................   :peepwall: :peepwall:

You think?  :sad2: :laughing7:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on July 31, 2014, 10:22:33 am
Paid for Malle Moto with satelite tracker. Oh sh#t what have I done.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 31, 2014, 10:24:14 am
Paid for Malle Moto with satelite tracker. Oh sh#t what have I done.

Nice  :thumleft:

How did you fair last year if I may ask?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on July 31, 2014, 10:52:32 am
Paid for Malle Moto with satelite tracker. Oh sh#t what have I done.

Nice  :thumleft:

How did you fair last year if I may ask?
Not too well. Didn't finish ss 1&2. Day 3 sat on the truck to Kakamas like a tourist. So I am hopefully back this year with one goal in mind. I want a finishers medal. Last year I was clueless and nothing has changed except for the bike. :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on July 31, 2014, 02:32:16 pm
Paid for Malle Moto with satelite tracker. Oh sh#t what have I done.

Nice  :thumleft:

How did you fair last year if I may ask?
Not too well. Didn't finish ss 1&2. Day 3 sat on the truck to Kakamas like a tourist. So I am hopefully back this year with one goal in mind. I want a finishers medal. Last year I was clueless and nothing has changed except for the bike. :ricky:

We are in the same boat and i know nothing about sailing, he he he
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 31, 2014, 02:38:24 pm
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times (if you are an amateur like us).
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 31, 2014, 05:54:50 pm
Hey all....
Filling in my one event MSA licence and just checking a few things: Under region - what do we put for the race? Northern cape and Western cape?
Under CLASS what do we put? (it says (consult event regulations)
Under Type of Licence what do we put?
not all that obvious to me as to what to fill in these (very small) blocks  :-\
I'm putting club event as recommended.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on August 01, 2014, 08:07:27 am
I am using my local club off-road license for Amageza - which is all we need.

I'd put Western cape and amageza for club name

class/type will be club, off-road/enduro, motorbike, not closed-circuit racing or something like that ........

hope this helps
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on August 01, 2014, 09:27:25 am
Good morning gents.

Although I would have dearly have liked to be on recce now, admin has me stuck clicking buttons! So come Monday or Tuesday I'm on the trail!

Amageza has been recognized as one of the events you can do to build your rally CV to enter the Dakar Rally. A great big thanks for all of you who believed and entered all the events up to this rally, and those who missed the clandestine 2011 Amageza but have been faithful entrants from 2012. Also the marshal's who had stuck by the event and helped run the sometimes very challenging race-days!

I must single out Darryl Curtis and Gillian Dykes who believed and threw their influence behind our cause. Very well done, all of you. Without you, I would still be crossing the country breaking bikes with no clear objective!  :thumleft:

The good news for late entries:

The bad news:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 01, 2014, 09:32:57 am
Thats great Alex! Glad everyone gets a chance for a few more last minute entries!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 01, 2014, 11:36:55 am
Excellent news! Well done for keeping the faith...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 01, 2014, 11:50:46 am
Great - still counting the sheckles after 'the burn' ... and my 450 miraculously survived ... so maybe with some faith ...  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 01, 2014, 12:11:19 pm
Great - still counting the sheckles after 'the burn' ... and my 450 miraculously survived ... so maybe with some faith ...  ::)

What better to spend the insurance money on???  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 01, 2014, 12:16:37 pm
Great - still counting the sheckles after 'the burn' ... and my 450 miraculously survived ... so maybe with some faith ...  ::)

Would be great to see you there Dom. :thumleft: Really hope you can somehow make it.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 01, 2014, 12:24:42 pm
Great - still counting the sheckles after 'the burn' ... and my 450 miraculously survived ... so maybe with some faith ...  ::)

What better to spend the insurance money on???  >:D

Ja kinda my thinking as well ... maybe the phoenix will indeed rise from the ashes  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on August 01, 2014, 01:09:56 pm
Good morning gents.

Although I would have dearly have liked to be on recce now, admin has me stuck clicking buttons! So come Monday or Tuesday I'm on the trail!

Amageza has been recognized as one of the events you can do to build your rally CV to enter the Dakar Rally. A great big thanks for all of you who believed and entered all the events up to this rally, and those who missed the clandestine 2011 Amageza but have been faithful entrants from 2012. Also the marshal's who had stuck by the event and helped run the sometimes very challenging race-days!

I must single out Darryl Curtis and Gillian Dykes who believed and threw their influence behind our cause. Very well done, all of you. Without you, I would still be crossing the country breaking bikes with no clear objective!  :thumleft:

The good news for late entries:
  • Further entries are available till 1 September 2014
  • The Iridium Satellite tracker is still available for all entries till 1 September 2014

The bad news:
  • No discounts are applicable for guys with past Amageza race experience. Sorry, you missed that bus!
  • Because of the extension on the cut-off date, the final regulations will also be postponed till the new cut-off.

Congratulations to all involved!!! This is a big achievement!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on August 08, 2014, 08:48:52 am
Entry list here http://amageza.com/web/entries.html (http://amageza.com/web/entries.html).

If you want to be on that list, ENTER!  :deal:

If you want more data on the list other than your name, send me your entry form! (Download it from the shop once logged in 'My Account -> Downloads'!

Haibo!
 :ricky:

BTW: Don't use this forum as your primary means of information regarding Amageza. Use the Amageza website please.  :3some:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on August 09, 2014, 05:21:40 pm
A teaser for you guys  :thumleft:  :ricky: :ricky:

During the 2013 Amageza rally after my bike broke I decided to interview guys just after they were coming out of the last special stage of the final day. By this point they had easily done over 2500km of riding and it showed when you see how tired they are.

I had been struggling to put a finger on the amazing Amageza feeling but after finding these previously lost clips I think it summarizes it well :)

https://www.youtube.com/v/2OLHIdsVuaY
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on August 09, 2014, 06:45:58 pm
Shooo, that's a great video!

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 09, 2014, 09:27:54 pm
Great memories!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Sprocketbek on August 09, 2014, 10:37:53 pm
Awesome footage  ;D
Brings back great memories!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on August 10, 2014, 08:43:11 am
Definitely brings back very lekker memories.  Nice one.  Roll on 2014 AMAGEZA!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BLK on August 10, 2014, 09:09:19 am
Nice video thks
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: gser on August 10, 2014, 03:52:40 pm

 Roll on , en ek wil meer sien ! Amageza ouens
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: gser on August 10, 2014, 03:56:35 pm

 Roll on ! Ek is vas gelym aan die ZA UITHOUER van n ren !
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on August 11, 2014, 10:42:32 am
Vids like these answers a lot of questions for us newbies, thanks guys.

Thanks for the list Mark, wish I could join you guys for some roadbook training but I just got home on Wednesday so I need to get my ducks in a row at home first before playtime.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 11, 2014, 02:11:30 pm
Went dune training yesterday

(http://i59.tinypic.com/9sryj8.jpg)

I'll need to do some more...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: WDT on August 11, 2014, 10:40:05 pm
Nice Billy!
 Dis nou toewyding. Resies saterdag en training sondag
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 12, 2014, 02:50:39 pm
En Maandag gaan draf  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on August 13, 2014, 10:17:58 am
Went dune training yesterday

(http://i59.tinypic.com/9sryj8.jpg)

I'll need to do some more...
You lucky you got the playground. We only got beaches which we aren't even allowed close to with petrol fumes. 3rd November will being on the job training.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: ChrisMann on August 13, 2014, 12:45:03 pm
Ja, ons is gelukkig om ons eie speelplek te he waar niemand ooit kom nie. Moet net nie dat Alex van dit uitvind nie...
 
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Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 14, 2014, 01:00:09 pm
Hey All!
If anyone wants a meal package (evening meals) please let me know. I paid for one and now I don't need it. So please instead of buying it online, please buy mine, cause I can't get a refund ;)
PM me  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 14, 2014, 01:05:32 pm
Hey All!
If anyone wants a meal package (evening meals) please let me know. I paid for one and now I don't need it. So please instead of buying it online, please buy mine, cause I can't get a refund ;)
PM me  :thumleft:

I may still have a few SADF ratpacks laying around  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on August 14, 2014, 01:09:21 pm
Hey All!
If anyone wants a meal package (evening meals) please let me know. I paid for one and now I don't need it. So please instead of buying it online, please buy mine, cause I can't get a refund ;)
PM me  :thumleft:

Not sure if we've paid all of ours yet. Will check
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: KND on August 14, 2014, 05:03:16 pm
Hi guys, everyone is talking about training.
Riding a rally is all about getting fit (mentally as well as physically) and use to time in the seat. Doing one hard days of riding or even two is simply not good enough. The turnaround is normally after day 3. When I train for a rally, I will push hard to ride for three days non stop trying to get at least 300-400km per days riding. I know it is difficult to do for most, but try at least to take one long weekend and just do it.
I'm off today via Dubai to Turkey to race the Trans Anatolia which is a 7 day event starting in Ancara ending approx 3000 - 3500 km later. Will keep the forum posted on what is happening.
Enjoy
Kobus Potgieter
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on August 14, 2014, 05:24:23 pm
Good Luck Kobus  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on August 14, 2014, 09:38:23 pm
Hi guys, everyone is talking about training.
Riding a rally is all about getting fit (mentally as well as physically) and use to time in the seat. Doing one hard days of riding or even two is simply not good enough. The turnaround is normally after day 3. When I train for a rally, I will push hard to ride for three days non stop trying to get at least 300-400km per days riding. I know it is difficult to do for most, but try at least to take one long weekend and just do it.
I'm off today via Dubai to Turkey to race the Trans Anatolia which is a 7 day event starting in Ancara ending approx 3000 - 3500 km later. Will keep the forum posted on what is happening.
Enjoy
Kobus Potgieter
gl mate, keep the facebook photos coming
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on August 15, 2014, 09:22:00 am
Yes all the best and thx for the advise. :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dutchie on August 15, 2014, 01:47:08 pm
Hi guys, everyone is talking about training.
Riding a rally is all about getting fit (mentally as well as physically) and use to time in the seat. Doing one hard days of riding or even two is simply not good enough. The turnaround is normally after day 3. When I train for a rally, I will push hard to ride for three days non stop trying to get at least 300-400km per days riding. I know it is difficult to do for most, but try at least to take one long weekend and just do it.
I'm off today via Dubai to Turkey to race the Trans Anatolia which is a 7 day event starting in Ancara ending approx 3000 - 3500 km later. Will keep the forum posted on what is happening.
Enjoy
Kobus Potgieter
Gooi mielies swaar!  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on August 15, 2014, 06:08:15 pm
After spending many a day and night, and after asking SteveD to spend some of his nights as well to fix where I got A.D.D, Motorsport South Africa has approved our regulations for the first MSA approved  :deal: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rally.

Please download the PDF file over here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)

Enjoy....  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on August 16, 2014, 06:06:40 am
After spending many a day and night, and after asking SteveD to spend some of his nights as well to fix where I got A.D.D, Motorsport South Africa has approved our regulations for the first MSA approved  :deal: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rally.

Please download the PDF file over here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)

Enjoy....  :spitcoffee:

Is it just me, but I cannot seem to open this doc from the link??  ???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 16, 2014, 08:04:45 am
After spending many a day and night, and after asking SteveD to spend some of his nights as well to fix where I got A.D.D, Motorsport South Africa has approved our regulations for the first MSA approved  :deal: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rally.

Please download the PDF file over here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)

Enjoy....  :spitcoffee:

Is it just me, but I cannot seem to open this doc from the link??  ???

It is indeed JUST YOU  :biggrin:  So this time you can claim it is about me, me me  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 16, 2014, 08:50:25 am
After spending many a day and night, and after asking SteveD to spend some of his nights as well to fix where I got A.D.D, Motorsport South Africa has approved our regulations for the first MSA approved  :deal: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rally.

Please download the PDF file over here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)

Enjoy....  :spitcoffee:
well done, that's quite the achievement!  :thumleft:
May Amageza continue from strength-to-strength!
Cheers
Chris & Team
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on August 16, 2014, 09:17:58 am
After spending many a day and night, and after asking SteveD to spend some of his nights as well to fix where I got A.D.D, Motorsport South Africa has approved our regulations for the first MSA approved  :deal: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rally.

Please download the PDF file over here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing)

Enjoy....  :spitcoffee:

Is it just me, but I cannot seem to open this doc from the link??  ???

It is indeed JUST YOU  :biggrin:  So this time you can claim it is about me, me me  :imaposer:

 :o. Ok it's me then.  Must be this blady useless and slow connection that I will have for the next 6 weeks, eishhhh!!! 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on August 18, 2014, 08:05:17 am
Another bit of footage I had thought lost

https://www.youtube.com/v/TomRzPLgt6I
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 18, 2014, 09:30:54 am
Another bit of footage I had thought lost

https://www.youtube.com/v/TomRzPLgt6I

Thanks Jan - that's awesome!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye Accommodation for overlander
Post by: Pleco on August 25, 2014, 08:44:22 am
Hello Guys.

Jonathan Blackburn is currently in JHB, and needs a spot to stay over for a week. I met up with him after he came through the Central DRC, and he stayed over with me in Kolwezi.

http://www.overlandride.com/ (http://www.overlandride.com/)

Anybody got a spare bedroom open? He has some very interesting tales to tell. He has entered the Amageza as well, and will need some assistance setting up his bike and wants to join some training runs if possible.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on August 28, 2014, 07:13:35 pm
Where can I get the noise level of the exhaust checked in the west/north rand area? a roadworthy tester, maybe?

I have an aftermarket can fitted to the KLR that sounds a bit louder (hard to tell) than my standard KLX 450 exhaust. I still have the original exhaust but that doesn't make any sound at all - so passing you okes will be difficult  :pot: :pot:

And I'm simply just not pushing the hooter - never, ever! ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on August 28, 2014, 07:33:10 pm
Where can I get the noise level of the exhaust checked in the west/north rand area? a roadworthy tester, maybe?

I have an aftermarket can fitted to the KLR that sounds a bit louder (hard to tell) than my standard KLX 450 exhaust. I still have the original exhaust but that doesn't make any sound at all - so passing you okes will be difficult  :pot: :pot:

And I'm simply just not pushing the hooter - never, ever! ;D
On your phone download a DB meter app, stand like 5m away and take a measurement while you brap it, if over then goto a roadworthy place
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on August 28, 2014, 08:32:02 pm
Hey guys

This is very dof, but I can not find where to download the entry form.
Please help.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on August 28, 2014, 08:54:04 pm
Once you've ordered the bike AND rider entry, you then pay.

Once the payment is confirmed on their side, your order under 'history' will be marked complete

Once this is complete, look under the download section and the entry form should be available.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 29, 2014, 12:20:29 am
Where can I get the noise level of the exhaust checked in the west/north rand area? a roadworthy tester, maybe?

I have an aftermarket can fitted to the KLR that sounds a bit louder (hard to tell) than my standard KLX 450 exhaust. I still have the original exhaust but that doesn't make any sound at all - so passing you okes will be difficult  :pot: :pot:

And I'm simply just not pushing the hooter - never, ever! ;D

çrap, they are going to measuring db? :eek: I have not read all the rules yet, and my bike ...she is loud. :P
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on August 29, 2014, 01:05:39 am
At what rev's should one measure the DB of their bike? I see in the next while a lot of DB killers wanted in the 'Trade, Buy and Sell' Section
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 29, 2014, 03:41:16 am
At what rev's should one measure the DB of their bike? I see in the next while a lot of DB killers wanted in the 'Trade, Buy and Sell' Section

They did it flat taps for me before at Sertoes. Never even warmed up the bike. :xxbah:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 29, 2014, 08:31:42 am
çrap, they are going to measuring db? :eek: I have not read all the rules yet, and my bike ...she is loud. :P

S'true, when I started her up the whole f-ing neighbourhood came out to have a look.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: clutch on August 29, 2014, 09:11:27 am
Also link problem, can not open?
Title: FIM Sound Test
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 29, 2014, 10:38:03 am
The sound levels will be measured with the sound meter/microphone fixed on
a tripod, in the horizontal position, at the rear of the motorcycle.
 For the place and position of the motorcycle, ensure that there are no solid
obstacles within 10 meters around the microphone.
 The sound meter will be positioned at a distance of 2 metres behind the
motorcycle, at an angle of 45° from the centerline, on the exhaust side and at
a height of 1.35 metre above the ground. The sound meter must be level and
horizontal.
 The 2 metre distance is measured from the point where the centre of rear tyre
touches the ground.
 It is preferred to make the tests on soft ground, not reverberating, i.e. grass or
fine gravel.
 In other than moderate wind, machines should face forward in the wind
direction.
 The ambient sound level must remain lower than 100 dB/A.
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THE POSITIONING OF THE MOTORCYCLE (see illustrations following)
The reference points:
 For a motorcycle: the contact point of the rear wheel on the ground.
 For motorcycles fitted with 2 exhaust outputs, the measurement will be made
on the side of the air intake. If a central positioned air intake is used, both
sides will be tested.
 For Side-cars: the contact point of the side wheel on the ground.
 For Quad vehicles: the vertical line to the ground from the centre point of the
rear axle.
 For Quad vehicles with exhaust outlet moved from the median axis, the
measurement will be made on the offset side.
To make repetitive measurements, all motorcycles can be positioned into a small
frame fixed on the ground.
THE NEW 2 METRE MAX METHOD –
THE OPERATION – PROTECT YOUR HEARING – USE EAR PROTECTION
 The measurement is made with motorcycle on its wheels, with a hot engine.
 The technical steward takes place besides the motorcycles, opposite to the
microphone, not to screen or stand between the bike and the microphone. A
mechanic, placed on the left side of the motorcycle, shall disengage the
clutch.
 If a second steward is permanently attending the sound level checks, it is
strongly advised for him to use earplugs, a headset or ear protectors.
 The Inspector shall open throttle as fast as possible until full open throttle
(instantly, within 0.3 seconds). He will keep the engine at max engine ‘rpm’ for
at least 1 second. To conclude, the inspector will release the throttle quickly.
 If the result exceeds the limit, including ‘after fire’, the Inspector shall test the
motorcycle a maximum of two more times.
 For motorcycles equipped with an engine rpm limiter, the throttle will be
opened - instantly, within 0.3 seconds - and kept open until at least 1 second
has passed and/or until there is an audible sign that the engine is overrevving.
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 For motorcycles without an engine ‘rpm’ limiter, the throttle will have to be
opened for less than 2 seconds and/or until there is an audible sign of overrevving
the engine.
 If the engine starts to misfire close the throttle slightly and re-open the throttle.
 If detonations appear, the measurement must be started again.
The numbers obtained from the test shall not be rounded down.
For the sound level measurement, only the Inspector shall handle the throttle. He
shall open the throttle himself in order to minimize any influence by another operator
(it is helpful to have the microphone equipped with an extension cable to the sound
meter).

Hulle vattie kakkie
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 29, 2014, 12:19:44 pm
All that just for the exhaust noise, no grey area there.
How will snoring in tents be measured?....2m from the middle of the matress once subject reaches REM down wind on soft ground only valid if his roadbook was marked the night before.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on August 29, 2014, 12:26:33 pm
I am also worried about this...

No one will be riding behind me so the rest of you better get those DB's down  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: gser on August 29, 2014, 12:37:07 pm

 Is die meter gespec , gekalibreer , gesertifiseer, ens ?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 29, 2014, 12:56:23 pm
Geen moer gaan my bike rev in die limiter in nie! Ek self doen dit nie eens nie.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 29, 2014, 01:00:12 pm
Flatulance will be measured with the sound meter/microphone fixed on a tripod, in the horizontal position, at the rear of the offending flatulee.
 Ensure that there are no solid or flammable obstacles within 10 meters around the flatulee.
 The sound meter will be positioned at a distance of 2 metres behind the origonating orifice, at an angle of 45° from the center of the crack, and at a height of 1.35 metre above the ground. The sound meter must be level and horizontal.
 The 2 metre distance is measured from the centre of the balsack of the flatulee.
 It is preferred to make the tests on soft ground, not reverberating, i.e. grass or fine gravel.
 For health and safety reasons, the measurement should be taken upwind.
THE OPERATION – PROTECT YOUR SENSE OF SMELL – USE NOSE PROTECTION
 The technical steward takes place besides the flatulee
 If a second steward is permanently attending the sound level checks, it is strongly advised for him to use noseplugs.
 The flatulee shall let rip, as fast and as loud as possible.
 If the result exceeds the limit, the Inspector shall test the flatulee a maximum of two more times.

Slightly more seriously, how was noise level tested at Amageza scutineering last year?  ???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 29, 2014, 01:11:05 pm
Flatulance will be measured with the sound meter/microphone fixed on a tripod, in the horizontal position, at the rear of the offending flatulee.
 Ensure that there are no solid or flammable obstacles within 10 meters around the flatulee.
 The sound meter will be positioned at a distance of 2 metres behind the origonating orifice, at an angle of 45° from the center of the crack, and at a height of 1.35 metre above the ground. The sound meter must be level and horizontal.
 The 2 metre distance is measured from the centre of the balsack of the flatulee.
 It is preferred to make the tests on soft ground, not reverberating, i.e. grass or fine gravel.
 For health and safety reasons, the measurement should be taken upwind.
THE OPERATION – PROTECT YOUR SENSE OF SMELL – USE NOSE PROTECTION
 The technical steward takes place besides the flatulee
 If a second steward is permanently attending the sound level checks, it is strongly advised for him to use noseplugs.
 The flatulee shall let rip, as fast and as loud as possible.
 If the result exceeds the limit, the Inspector shall test the flatulee a maximum of two more times.

Slightly more seriously, how was noise level tested at Amageza scutineering last year?  ???

Na die derde "let rip" sal daar geen meer beamptes wees om my te toets nie!   :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on August 29, 2014, 01:40:28 pm
Sit net vir Bazinga voor in die ry. Sy bike is so hard hy sal die masjien blaas
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: gser on August 29, 2014, 01:42:41 pm

. . . dan aardbewing in Orkney . . . .
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 29, 2014, 04:40:48 pm


Slightly more seriously, how was noise level tested at Amageza scutineering last year?  ???

This is the 1st year under MSA and therefor FIM regulations
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on August 31, 2014, 08:08:21 am


Slightly more seriously, how was noise level tested at Amageza scutineering last year?  ???

This is the 1st year under MSA and therefor FIM regulations

Bill is correct. With a representative from FIM present, we are going to toe the line and be super subservient to all rules as stated.

That being said, if you have two arms, you can indicate your proposed direction of turn when on a public road. But you will not pass scrutineering (daily as well) without these:
1) Working head and tail light. (Really? Do I need to explain ???)
2) Working brake light. (So the guy behind you hopefully reacts and not rides over you!)
3) Mirror on your RIGHT side. Foldaway is fine. (So you can see a another rider trying to overtake, and get out of his way)
4) Horn. (so you can hoot at the donkey/ cow/ rider in front of you)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 31, 2014, 09:58:59 am
WHAT!!??!!
There is going to be cows there!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on August 31, 2014, 10:13:22 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 31, 2014, 03:11:55 pm
Yeah, Joey's full of bull these days.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on August 31, 2014, 07:58:17 pm
WHAT!!??!!
There is going to be cows there!!!
hahah ya legend!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 01, 2014, 03:05:24 am
Mirror on the RHS so you can see guys coming up behind you?¿?  ;D

In the Dakar mirror is actually supposed to be used for signalling in a emergency....definitely not for looking into ;D Way too much vibration for that to be of any use. You should mention that to the MSA boyz so they don´t look too silly.  :imaposer:

FYI, the FIM Dakar reg´s actually require an additional, bright brake light to the stock brake light.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 01, 2014, 03:06:13 am
çrap, they are going to measuring db? :eek: I have not read all the rules yet, and my bike ...she is loud. :P

S'true, when I started her up the whole f-ing neighbourhood came out to have a look.  :peepwall:

:imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 01, 2014, 08:34:43 am
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft: 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 01, 2014, 11:01:08 am
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft: 

Weren't there under 50 last year? That's like 50% growth... great going! Who is the lady?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 01, 2014, 12:13:59 pm
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft: 

Weren't there under 50 last year? That's like 50% growth... great going! Who is the lady?

42 Entries last year with 17 finishers. Out of the 42 starters last year, there are from what I can see ± 50% of those returning this year, which means about 40-50 new entries this year.  Fantastic support for this years rally, and well deserved. Sandi Pitchers is our lady entrant.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on September 01, 2014, 12:15:54 pm
Fok, I'm getting excited

(http://amageza.com/web/gallery/var/albums/Amageza-2013/Day-3/Day3_special043.JPG?m=1388644721)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on September 01, 2014, 12:22:07 pm
Fok, I'm getting excited

(http://amageza.com/web/gallery/var/albums/Amageza-2013/Day-3/Day3_special043.JPG?m=1388644721)

You can say that again!!!!    :deal: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 01, 2014, 12:27:23 pm
Ms Sandi is one tough lady. This was from 17 August:

Sooooo....I am in hospital...broken scapula and nose...going to do CAT scans and check my head too...told them not to bother coz on the right side nothings left and on the left side nothings right! Here's a pic of me after a moorah big face plant! I LOVE RACING
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on September 01, 2014, 02:42:03 pm
Ms Sandi is one tough lady. This was from 17 August:

Sooooo....I am in hospital...broken scapula and nose...going to do CAT scans and check my head too...told them not to bother coz on the right side nothings left and on the left side nothings right! Here's a pic of me after a moorah big face plant! I LOVE RACING


she is a Dakar hopeful for 2016...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on September 01, 2014, 02:45:11 pm
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft: 

that is the paid up entries. Are there others still eligible if they still pay?

I also note only 1 rider in the Adventure category and only 1 in the SxS category, is that right?
 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 01, 2014, 03:17:10 pm
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft:  

that is the paid up entries. Are there others still eligible if they still pay?

I also note only 1 rider in the Adventure category and only 1 in the SxS category, is that right?
 

+ 2 Quads and 17 unknowns at this stage.  Cut off is today, so if you are still on the fence about this one, then as they say -JUST DO IT!!, you will have an adventure of a lifetime. There is nothing like the unknown and just facing it head on.   ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on September 02, 2014, 08:06:50 am
i'm in... as support  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 02, 2014, 10:32:18 pm
i'm in... as support  :lol8:

It´ll be great to meet the 1st road book user in the country ! :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 02, 2014, 10:33:50 pm
Ms Sandi is one tough lady. This was from 17 August:

Sooooo....I am in hospital...broken scapula and nose...going to do CAT scans and check my head too...told them not to bother coz on the right side nothings left and on the left side nothings right! Here's a pic of me after a moorah big face plant! I LOVE RACING


Awesome!! :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Is she a wilddog? She should become one....could show a few of the armchair posters what riding is really about! :evil6:
Title: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: GG on September 03, 2014, 08:31:58 pm
OK I'm offically nervous. Curious  to know how many non finishes were mechanical?
Title: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on September 03, 2014, 09:19:28 pm
OK I'm offically nervous. Curious  to know how many non finishes were mechanical?

A good discussion with some great points in this thread
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=155827.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=155827.0)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 04, 2014, 08:13:29 am
OK I'm offically nervous. Curious  to know how many non finishes were mechanical?
Im on that list, electrical failure
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on September 04, 2014, 08:40:02 am
I think there are/were 3 categories of reasons;

Mechanical

Something on the bike broke and couldn't be fixed or ridden around

Medical

Something on the body broke and couldn't be fixed or ridden around

Competence

Riding and navigating ability was less than the minimums required to complete the course in the alloted time


As a pure wild arsed guess based on what I saw and heard last time around, I am guessing they were, as a percentage of the whole field, 60%, 10%, 30%.

I'd be curious to know what it really was?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 04, 2014, 09:52:58 am
Kamanya - That sounds about right.  30% is a high figure for attrition due to navigation and this is one thing you should not fall foul to, although having said that, it happens to the best of rally riders.  I cannot stress enough, that if you are not familiar with a road book, then make a plan to get one and practice using it on an outride.  Secondly your GPS unit should be familiar to you in everyway.  Know exactly how to get around all it's menu's easily  :deal:, know how to input waypoints quickly and you must know how to navigate to a particular waypoint from a selected waypoint and to a new waypoint.  
Let me indulge you of my own experience on this.  When I first used my GPS on last years Amageza, my thoughts about it were only that it was and essential piece of kit for the organisation to see where and what I achieved on the route.  How they went about that was complete gibberish to me.  ???  The organisers even had to set it up to the required 1 sec intervals as I did not know how to do that. :peepwall:  
And so off I went, started the race, only to miss a turn within in the 1st 5km's of the 1st race section on day 1.  It took me almost 2 hours to realise I was heading towards Timbuktu and not where I should have been going.  Reason for this - I did not load waypoints into my GPS,  >:( which would have helped me massively, as I could have simply navigated to waypoint before I was even lost.  What I should have done the moment I could not find the turn out of the river bed, was to navigate to the next waypoint and my problem would be 95% solved.
That evening in the bivouac Koos schooled me on the use of GPS.  (Thanks again Koos  :thumleft:) It takes a while to load the next days waypoints, even as much as an hour, but I finally got it done and you need to get it done.
The next morning on day 2, we were to start from the bivouac gate, but the first turn was not from the gate, but in fact a few huundred meters up the road.  When I got there, there were bikes going left and right at the T-junction.  That's when I knew there was something wrong.  ??? So having learned my new GPS skills from Koos the night before  :thumleft:, I  quickly set up the GPS to navigate to the next waypoint and when I did that, I could see straight away that I was to turn Right.  A few Km's down the road the Left turners sheepishly  :-[came past me, shaking their heads.  :ricky:
Give yourself the best chance of navigating without faults, by learning how to use all of your equipment on your nav tower.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on September 04, 2014, 10:31:04 am
Tend to agree those averages are probably right. Excellent advice from Markdiver on GPS stuff. You will always have times where you are not exactly sure where you are but if you know your GPS you may pick up time penalties from missing a hidden waypoint but you will get back on track and still be able to get the holy grail (Amageza finishers medal). Load the waypoints, it takes forever (unless you are Koos) but well worth it. I would recommend that you have a backup GPS, even if it sits in your bag on batteries, no track, no finish.
Oh and lastly avoid the cows.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 04, 2014, 11:14:22 am
Hey Ous
I just got the mail about the roadworthy.
If I had known this was the case I would not have entered to be honest. I am a bit disappointed. I do not commute with my bike it is for offroad only.
I get the feeling the goalpost keeps moving further and further every week. To get the WR roadworthied is going to be a big headache.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on September 04, 2014, 11:30:04 am
Doesn't say that it has to be roadworthy, just that you need the transport package or support package if it's not
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 04, 2014, 12:12:37 pm
Ok, let me try and understand this  ???  If your bike is not legal roadworthy, then you will not (possibly not at this stage) be able to ride any of the liaison sections of road?  Would that bike then have to be taken by trailer, truck or whatever to the start of the special section??
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on September 04, 2014, 12:20:43 pm
Let me indulge you of my own experience on this....

 What I should have done the moment I could not find the turn out of the river bed, was to navigate to the next waypoint and my problem would be 95% solved.

What you probably didn't know is that I for one, was in that river bed with you AND I was using the GPS trying to just get to the next way point. I just couldn't work out the routebook and so had abandoned it in favour of trying to get to the next waypoint.

Whether by fluke or design, I suspect the latter knowing Alex, he had created a track with a visible waypoint that was in just the right place to make it SEEM as if continuing up that river bed was the right thing to do...

Note the waypoint in the north, the river bed and where we should have turned off and how the river bed turns toward the Waypoint. It was only once we were well a truly stuck with no chance of going further, AND the river bed turned west, that it became obvious that we had taken the wrong path. But, that took an hour of bashing to get to the point where it turned west.

(http://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/13/10-Amageza/i-Zj37rcP/0/L/Stage%201%20sukkel-L.jpg) (http://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/13/10-Amageza/32819468_VWgkxX#!i=2882924769&k=Zj37rcP&lb=1&s=A)

The GPS is helpful but one still has to keep your wits about you. It is only one small piece in the puzzle and by far not the silver bullet and to be relied upon with caution.

On stage 2, I was riding the known waypoints quite a lot and as a result picked up more than an hour of penalties in missed hidden waypoints.
Title: Big Boy Panties
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 04, 2014, 12:53:45 pm
Or a teaspoon of cement: Upington will reach 33C this weekend.  It is the 1st week of spring.  Suggest you ensure your bike's cooling system is 100%.  And install you stationary bike in a sauna to savour the upcoming experience.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 04, 2014, 01:27:09 pm
Haha, ons gaan nou braai!

Vrekkit ouens, ek begin nou baie uitsien na hierdie uitstappie.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 04, 2014, 01:27:48 pm
From my experience running a 200km road book last weekend, it seems that CAP heading is an important piece of the puzzle. I once read great rally racers just use the ICO and CAP heading, knowing immediately where they should go.

Say you get to a turn at 55.26km that is sharp right, and low and behold, there is a sharp right in the road, so off you go, then it's 17km of pinning it to the next turn, and then a turn to the left. But... when you arrive at 72km, there is no turn to the left. All of this because you missed the turn at 51.22 (easier than you think). Now you're back-tacking at least another 17km... and starting to feel unsure about where you went wrong. You are quite possibly now lost.

The CAP heading (on your GPS if you don't have a spare CAP repeater or Rally Blitz on the iPhone) will tell you that the sharp right turn at 55.26 should have been at 160deg, but because you were on the wrong road by then, the sharp right turn you actually took was at 64deg, and it was the wrong way.

Having said that... it's quite a lot to concentrate on, while still attempting to ride the bike at speed on bad roads. This is harder than it appears.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 04, 2014, 01:52:58 pm
Let me indulge you of my own experience on this....

 What I should have done the moment I could not find the turn out of the river bed, was to navigate to the next waypoint and my problem would be 95% solved.
From my experience running a 200km road book last weekend, it seems that CAP heading is an important piece of the puzzle. I once read great rally racers just use the ICO and CAP heading, knowing immediately where they should go.

Say you get to a turn at 55.26km that is sharp right, and low and behold, there is a sharp right in the road, so off you go, then it's 17km of pinning it to the next turn, and then a turn to the left. But... when you arrive at 72km, there is no turn to the left. All of this because you missed the turn at 51.22 (easier than you think). Now you're back-tacking at least another 17km... and starting to feel unsure about where you went wrong. You are quite possibly now lost.

The CAP heading (on your GPS if you don't have a spare CAP repeater or Rally Blitz on the iPhone) will tell you that the sharp right turn at 55.26 should have been at 160deg, but because you were on the wrong road by then, the sharp right turn you actually took was at 64deg, and it was the wrong way.

Having said that... it's quite a lot to concentrate on, while still attempting to ride the bike at speed on bad roads. This is harder than it appears.

What you probably didn't know is that I for one, was in that river bed with you AND I was using the GPS trying to just get to the next way point. I just couldn't work out the routebook and so had abandoned it in favour of trying to get to the next waypoint.

Whether by fluke or design, I suspect the latter knowing Alex, he had created a track with a visible waypoint that was in just the right place to make it SEEM as if continuing up that river bed was the right thing to do...

Note the waypoint in the north, the river bed and where we should have turned off and how the river bed turns toward the Waypoint. It was only once we were well a truly stuck with no chance of going further, AND the river bed turned west, that it became obvious that we had taken the wrong path. But, that took an hour of bashing to get to the point where it turned wes

The GPS is helpful but one still has to keep your wits about you. It is only one small piece in the puzzle and by far not the silver bullet and to be relied upon with caution.

On stage 2, I was riding the known waypoints quite a lot and as a result picked up more than an hour of penalties in missed hidden waypoints.


Andrew & Max - All good and valid points - there is no exact science in this and as I said before, the best get lost too - SO I am gonna force myself to turn over a new leaf for the Amageza and go against my manly grain - If I am lost  - I AM GOING TO ASK FOR DIRECTIONS  :peepwall:  Wether I get any help is another thing  ;D  If for whatever lucky reason I am ahead of Joey (T9er)(if he actually does come) then I will ask him, as Joey cannot not stop and cannot say no  >:D :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 04, 2014, 02:06:31 pm
Mark  :laughing4: :lol8: I would be careful about that, it did not work for me because the others were more lost than I was :P It is sometimes good to "consult" but others times not.

Im really loving this thread. :thumleft:


1 - Good navigators can do it without the tulips, going only on CAP and distance.
2 - Most of us are not good navigators
3 - Kamanya and Mark both have very good points, both valid.
4 - The challenge of rally is that the road book creator is going to fox you unless you concéntrate.

Its rider vs. road book creator, and Kamanya´s example is a classic Kansas city shuffle (see the movie Lucky Number Slevin). Be aware that the small, less visible (-v)track to the left/right might actually be the turn he wants you to take. DONT SECOND GUESS YOURSELF or you will be lost.


Is it just me waking up every morning and going to sleep everynight thinking about this event? :patch:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 04, 2014, 02:19:30 pm

Is it just me waking up every morning and going to sleep everynight thinking about this event? :patch:


NOPE!!!   :drif:  We must seem like just such a sad bunch to some non bikehead people or what hey?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on September 04, 2014, 02:30:52 pm

Is it just me waking up every morning and going to sleep everynight thinking about this event? :patch:


NOPE!!!   :drif:  We must seem like just such a sad bunch to some non bikehead people or what hey?

Same boat. No sleep. Stressed ha ha ha
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on September 05, 2014, 02:10:50 am
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 05, 2014, 05:04:29 am
Can anyone give me and my bike a lift from CT up to the start please? If not is there anyone who can take my trommel and tyres?

I would be most grateful and am willing to pay towrds costs.

Cheers
Neil :paw:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 05, 2014, 05:10:35 am

Is it just me waking up every morning and going to sleep everynight thinking about this event? :patch:


NOPE!!!   :drif:  We must seem like just such a sad bunch to some non bikehead people or what hey?

Ja, people look at us funny. :evil6:

I tell my employees what i do...they have to listen importantly - its really therapeutic.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Buff on September 05, 2014, 07:51:31 am
Is there anything in the rules about racing a Rally with a pillion?  :o I have a female friend that's a multiple SA Orienteering champion, she'd make short work of a road book as she's used to running around in the dead of night navigating with a map and finger compass >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 05, 2014, 07:57:23 am
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".

Have a look in the shop - maybe the info is there
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on September 05, 2014, 08:04:39 am
Is there anything in the rules about racing a Rally with a pillion?  :o I have a female friend that's a multiple SA Orienteering champion, she'd make short work of a road book as she's used to running around in the dead of night navigating with a map and finger compass >:D

That's funny!

Lateral thinking!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 05, 2014, 09:02:31 am
Is there anything in the rules about racing a Rally with a pillion?  :o I have a female friend that's a multiple SA Orienteering champion, she'd make short work of a road book as she's used to running around in the dead of night navigating with a map and finger compass >:D

From the Amageza SRs:
Each motorcycle/quad must be equipped with at least :
  - A front light (min 55 watts or equivalent in ‘lumen’).
  - Highly recommended but not mandatory, a backlight for the road-book.
  - A homologated rear lamp with stop light
  - Recommended but not mandatory, a fog light (min 21 watts or equivalent in ‘lumen’), with a minimum legal surface, may be split into two parts and may flash
  - A generator with a recommended minimum performance of 140 watts
  - An audible horn, minimum 90 dB/A, measured at one metre.
  - Minimum one rear view mirror.
  - Highly recommended but not mandatory, a fixed water tank of at least 1 litre


So declare her as your "audible horn", get her to scream like a foghorn at 90 dB/A, and you are good to go  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Buff on September 05, 2014, 10:08:36 am
Is there anything in the rules about racing a Rally with a pillion?  :o I have a female friend that's a multiple SA Orienteering champion, she'd make short work of a road book as she's used to running around in the dead of night navigating with a map and finger compass >:D

From the Amageza SRs:
Each motorcycle/quad must be equipped with at least :
  - A front light (min 55 watts or equivalent in ‘lumen’).
  - Highly recommended but not mandatory, a backlight for the road-book.
  - A homologated rear lamp with stop light
  - Recommended but not mandatory, a fog light (min 21 watts or equivalent in ‘lumen’), with a minimum legal surface, may be split into two parts and may flash
  - A generator with a recommended minimum performance of 140 watts
  - An audible horn, minimum 90 dB/A, measured at one metre.
  - Minimum one rear view mirror.
  - Highly recommended but not mandatory, a fixed water tank of at least 1 litre


So declare her as your "audible horn", get her to scream like a foghorn at 90 dB/A, and you are good to go  :thumleft:

 :laughing4: Riding on the back with me, that won't be a problem at all  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 07, 2014, 03:31:55 pm
Here is a converted to English copy of the Road Book Signs if anyone wants to sharpen up and perhaps make hit cards out of any of them.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: KND on September 07, 2014, 06:19:02 pm
hi guys. 
Just finished the Transanatolia Rally in Turkey. Not the result which I wanted to achieve but I raced in a place where only a selected handful of people will see and experience in their life. The 2nd placed on day 5 made up for the overall result which I think was around 10th place overall. If I can recommended a rally to races in gain international experience plus suffering, call me about this one.  Really enjoyed it.
Kobus
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: gser on September 07, 2014, 06:26:16 pm

 Lekker NDK !
 Lekker Foties
 Dakar prospects ?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 07, 2014, 11:33:29 pm
Congratulations Kobus, that´s a great result!! :ricky: I reckon you must be one of the favorites to win the Amageza this year... ?

Nice pics too! Did you have to pay a photo package for those?

I believe that was the rally that Kemal Merkitt and a Young dutch guy got killed two years ago? Recall that Merkitt and one other guy stopped to wait for dust to clear and check their directions and a Young bloke (cant remember his name now) came flying in from behind into zero vis and took out Merkitt and himself instantly.

Neil :paw:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: KND on September 08, 2014, 07:49:37 am
Niel
That is where Kemal died. He was a legend in Turkey and great guy.
Favourite for Amageza ? You know that in a rally there is no such thing as a favourite. I could have been out on my first day in the prologue. Even the Pro's have shown us this over the years. This year in the Abu Dhabi Rally, Sam was for sure the favourite to win and his bike broke.
For me it is to enjoy the races, make new friends, see new places and ride within my ability. If the result at the end is good, then it is a bonus.
Thanks for all your messages.
Kobus
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 08, 2014, 10:36:57 am
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".

Would also like to know, still need to find one.

Imagine myself seeing something somewhere mentioning 800 x 400 x 400?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on September 08, 2014, 07:02:57 pm
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".

Would also like to know, still need to find one.

Imagine myself seeing something somewhere mentioning 800 x 400 x 400?

that is lunch box size
Bigger one at builders is 550x450x900
Next one down is a lot smaller
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on September 09, 2014, 12:12:28 am
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".

Would also like to know, still need to find one.

Imagine myself seeing something somewhere mentioning 800 x 400 x 400?

that is lunch box size
Bigger one at builders is 550x450x900
Next one down is a lot smaller


Is that the verifiable 'legal' size allowed at Geza?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 09, 2014, 07:24:31 am
Last year Trommel size was restricted to (L) 800mm x (W) 600mm x (H) 450mm.  Best to confirmn this with Alex if bigger trommels are allowed.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on September 09, 2014, 02:35:00 pm
The mail from Alex:

Evening lady and gents,

From a rather hot Calvinia.

The venues. (Don't ask me for a list of places to stay please. Google is your friend!)

Nov 1&2: Upington Show Grounds. You have to be there both days. No camping available. Documentation starts at 09:00 on 1 November. If you're late, you have a long way to drive home! On 2 November you will ride a short track to get your starting order. Its a specator-friendly mission. Prologue will be at 11:00 with rider presentation thereafter.

Nov 3: Askham. Molopo Kalahari Lodge. 054 511 0008. Say you're with Amageza and quote your order number. Special rate. No camping at the lodge. Amageza already took that for the Malle Moto riders. Some guesthouses and lodges in Askham and surrounds.

Nov 4: Kakamas. High School Maarten Esterhuizen. Its in town. Town is 1km diameter in any direction. Ask the guesthouse how far they are from the school. You don't want to drive 30km to get there. Malle Moto stay on field. Meals next to field as is briefing.

Nov 5: Kokerboom Motel. (Same place we stayed last year on stage 2) 027 712 2685. Its about 5km outside Springbok on the N7. Speak to Daleen. Use Amageza and your order number. I am hopefully seeing them tomorrow. Will try and confirm a special rate.

Nov 6: Amageza-Special. You'll find out when you get there. Amageza provides dinner, breakfast, bedding and towel. You need to bring whatever you want to wear for the night. Its a marathon stage. Last DSP will be in Calvinia before hitting the final stretch to Sutherland. From Calvinia your crew will either overnight, or go to Cape Town. DSP is at the Calvinia Show Grounds. Food, drinks for sale at Calvinia. All monies go to the High School and old age home. Both in dire need of a cash injection.

Nov 7: Big Bay Lifesaving Club. It's on the beach at the Big Bay Shopping Center. Stage will end there. Showers available. Drinks at club prices! Food free. Prize giving at 19:00. Food available from 17:00. Bar opens when the first rider gets there! Bar closes at 00:00 unless we party very quitely! Your entry fee includes a +1. Will confirm how we will identify the +1 at a later stage.

Now before you email me a list of questions, ask yourself this:

1) Is it really not in this list?

2) Do I really want to start at the back?

Better train,

Julle gaan #$# pappie!


Does this mean, for those whose bought the tent package, they stay at the bivouac (Nov1 and Nov2)?  Or do they have to find alternate accommodation now?

AND I do like the parting words!   :deal:


Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 09, 2014, 02:44:01 pm
Does this mean, for those whose bought the tent package, they stay at the bivouac (Nov1 and Nov2)?  Or do they have to find alternate accommodation now?

As I understand it, yes. The camping package is only from 3-7 Nov. I've sent an email to clarify, but suspect this will be confirmed.

Ek slaap sommer onder my bike, is mos warm daardie tyd?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BV on September 09, 2014, 03:04:19 pm
Does this mean, for those whose bought the tent package, they stay at the bivouac (Nov1 and Nov2)?  Or do they have to find alternate accommodation now?

As I understand it, yes. The camping package is only from 3-7 Nov. I've sent an email to clarify, but suspect this will be confirmed.

Ek slaap sommer onder my bike, is mos warm daardie tyd?


Do I understand it correct?
No camping. Only camping for MalleMoto.
Askam
 "No camping at the lodge"

So do we non MalleMoto get refund?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 09, 2014, 03:23:45 pm
Do I understand it correct?
No camping. Only camping for MalleMoto.
Askam
 "No camping at the lodge"

So do we non MalleMoto get refund?

I think what Alex meant is that only those who paid for the camping package get to camp there. I'm not Malle Moto anymore but I did purchase the camping package, and still need camping space. If I lose this camping package I'm going back to Malle Moto.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: ChrisMann on September 09, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 09, 2014, 06:13:32 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 

I am the same. Bought camping packages + meals for myself and my two crew members for the rally.
Why sell the non malle moto guys camping packages if we cannot use them?
I assume the vehicle will have to be parked outside the bivouac and then we have to walk in with our camping gear?
Where do we service the bike?

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 09, 2014, 06:23:27 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 

I am the same. Bought camping packages + meals for myself and my two crew members for the rally.
Why sell the non malle moto guys camping packages if we cannot use them?
I assume the vehicle will have to be parked outside the bivouac and then we have to walk in with our camping gear?
Where do we service the bike?



I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. 
I e-mailed Alex today with the same question that I was going to stay in bivouac with my team & pit crew.  And his response was - "Yip. 100% fine".  Hopefully this will clear the air for those that bought the team/support package.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 09, 2014, 06:24:28 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 

I am the same. Bought camping packages + meals for myself and my two crew members for the rally.
Why sell the non malle moto guys camping packages if we cannot use them?
I assume the vehicle will have to be parked outside the bivouac and then we have to walk in with our camping gear?
Where do we service the bike?



I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. 
I e-mailed Alex today with the same question that I was going to stay in bivouac with my team & pit crew.  And his response was - "Yip. 100% fine".  Hopefully this will clear the air for those that bought the team/support package.
Alex wont leave you high and dry, not to stress
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on September 09, 2014, 08:19:55 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 

I am the same. Bought camping packages + meals for myself and my two crew members for the rally.
Why sell the non malle moto guys camping packages if we cannot use them?
I assume the vehicle will have to be parked outside the bivouac and then we have to walk in with our camping gear?
Where do we service the bike?



I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. 
I e-mailed Alex today with the same question that I was going to stay in bivouac with my team & pit crew.  And his response was - "Yip. 100% fine".  Hopefully this will clear the air for those that bought the team/support package.

I read the mail like 10 times, and then another ten times.
I am glad i am not the only one that did not get it. I am pit crew so was feeling rather lost in terms of where do we stay and put up the pits for the team if we not camping.

I did send mail to Alex as well, so hopefully clarity will be forthcoming for all of us.

i liked the humor at the end "2) Do I really want to start at the back?"
Guess my team is placed near the back now  >:D >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 09, 2014, 08:21:40 pm
You start last, you may ignore the roadbook  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 09, 2014, 09:36:32 pm
Hi, sorry for questions but I don't understand.

1. Camping at bivouac only available for Malle Moto entries?
2. Team entries, find own camping?
3. Where do you service your bike? At bivouac or own camping site?

We got 3 sponsors and kind of promised them we will put their banners up at the bivouac where our tents and gazebo's are.

Also, I could not find any other camping spots near Askham. Only the camping at the lodge that is booked for Malle Moto riders. I really have very little time. Can someone please help with camping spots (and costs...)?

Thx.

 

 

I am the same. Bought camping packages + meals for myself and my two crew members for the rally.
Why sell the non malle moto guys camping packages if we cannot use them?
I assume the vehicle will have to be parked outside the bivouac and then we have to walk in with our camping gear?
Where do we service the bike?



I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. 
I e-mailed Alex today with the same question that I was going to stay in bivouac with my team & pit crew.  And his response was - "Yip. 100% fine".  Hopefully this will clear the air for those that bought the team/support package.

I read the mail like 10 times, and then another ten times.
I am glad i am not the only one that did not get it. I am pit crew so was feeling rather lost in terms of where do we stay and put up the pits for the team if we not camping.

I did send mail to Alex as well, so hopefully clarity will be forthcoming for all of us.

i liked the humor at the end "2) Do I really want to start at the back?"
Guess my team is placed near the back now  >:D >:D

I'm in the same boat as you lot but haven't emailed Alex yet - guess we'll be right at the back - gonna be a lot of sweepers  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 09, 2014, 09:45:13 pm
You start last, you may ignore the roadbook  :laughing4:
Then youa re also going to make most of the common navigation mistakes
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 09, 2014, 09:47:57 pm
I was one of the first to mail him, so I went to the back but now you all mailed him so I'm back at the front. :)

This is what I expect from his roadbook. A clear instruction that these are the directions, followed by a bunch of red herrings and some deliberate confusion to put everyone on the back foot.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: luckyloo on September 09, 2014, 10:03:43 pm
I'm also a bit lost.  From what I understand (someone else emailed Alex) it's own accommodation, but if you did book camping package, you allowed to take only a tent inside, albeit malle moto guys receive 1st priority in camping site.  i planned on camping in my van / camper, with my support crew, which is a problem if no vehicles will be allowed in the camping area, surely they can bunt off the malle moto guys to keep them from getting outside assistance?  How do we work on bikes if the tools are outside the biviouc, also a problem if we have one service crew / vehicle for more than one rider, who's all got separate accommodation..  Are the campsites now flooded because of too many entries, in which case, should the no of entries have been limited?

As I say I got 2nd hand information.  I don't think everybody should send Alex the same questions, so let's wait & see if anybody has the answers real soon.....please share if anybody has any valuable info...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 10, 2014, 07:54:18 am
Answers to my questions:
 
1.       The documentation start time 1 Nov @ 9:00. Coming from JHB this might be a stretch? Not everyone will be able to take leave on the Friday as well.

1) There is a lot to do this year for scrutineering. Any later than 09:00 and we'll not make it.
 
2.       The camping package. Does this include camping at Uppington on Sat night 1 Nov and Sun night 2 Nov? From the email below and Amageza online shop it does not seem so.
 
2) you are correct. Amageza camping only kicks in for the actual race 3-6 November.

3.        The trunk allowable size. 800x600x450?
 
3) that's about right. Its the second largest one available from Builders Warehouse.


My issues with the above still stands. Why do we need to be there two whole days before the race? Surely this is excessive, and I cant take leave on the Friday, as with our leave system this will cost me three additional days. Also, now a hundred people have to look for a place to camp/stay on the Sat and Sun evenings.    
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 10, 2014, 08:17:13 am
Just call in sick on Friday  ;D

We'll be leaving JHB on Thursday, staying overnight on the road somewhere and then have 3 sleeps in Upington before the race starts - gonna be doing a similar thing once we reach CT.

So my Amageza is quickly turning into a 2 week trip ..........  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on September 10, 2014, 08:20:33 am
Yep I am also taking 2 weeks to do the race, will be there on Friday. Thought we'd at least be able to camp on Saturday and Sunday
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 10, 2014, 05:03:00 pm
Answers to my questions:
 
1.       The documentation start time 1 Nov @ 9:00. Coming from JHB this might be a stretch? Not everyone will be able to take leave on the Friday as well.

1) There is a lot to do this year for scrutineering. Any later than 09:00 and we'll not make it.
 
2.       The camping package. Does this include camping at Uppington on Sat night 1 Nov and Sun night 2 Nov? From the email below and Amageza online shop it does not seem so.
 
2) you are correct. Amageza camping only kicks in for the actual race 3-6 November.

3.        The trunk allowable size. 800x600x450?
 
3) that's about right. Its the second largest one available from Builders Warehouse.


My issues with the above still stands. Why do we need to be there two whole days before the race? Surely this is excessive, and I cant take leave on the Friday, as with our leave system this will cost me three additional days. Also, now a hundred people have to look for a place to camp/stay on the Sat and Sun evenings.    


I would not stress.  The show grounds are massive and there is plenty of place to camp.  Nobody will mind.  That place absorbs 2000 bikers during the gemsbok rally.  Its 3 minutes from the mall where there is food and toilets (if the facilities at the show grounds are not available for some reason).  This is not Pta or Jhb.  It is part of the municipal meent, which is essentially community ground, ie, available to the community.  
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 10, 2014, 09:19:39 pm
Hey Ous
I just got the mail about the roadworthy.
If I had known this was the case I would not have entered to be honest. I am a bit disappointed. I do not commute with my bike it is for offroad only.
I get the feeling the goalpost keeps moving further and further every week. To get the WR roadworthied is going to be a big headache.

We have a lot of time for scutineering, but there are a moer of a lot of things to check, and lots of bikes to check, and quads, which we have never done before. We are going to be very, very busy, and us marshal types have bad eyesight, bad hearing, and short attention spans. And we trust nice rally riders, a lot.
Come looking the part, and I don't see how us marshals will have the time to check every little detail, we're mos going to be very busy...........
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 11, 2014, 08:41:16 am
So we have reached 70 entries for this years start, and the 70th entry was a lady - NICE ONE  :thumleft:  
Cut off is today, so if you are still on the fence about this one, then as they say -JUST DO IT!!, you will have an adventure of a lifetime. There is nothing like the unknown and just facing it head on.   ;)

Our fearless leader is stuck in some tiny frozen dorpie with internet bandwidth of millibits per minute, but he let me know that he could be persuaded to accept a few late entries, provided that the entrants organise for the rent of deLrome trackers themselves.
So hurry up, all the fence-sitters, you can still get in!
We could have close to 80 riders this year.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: g1_ on September 11, 2014, 01:01:07 pm
I'm trying to imagine what a mili-bit is. A fraction of a 0 or 1?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 11, 2014, 04:32:29 pm
T - 52 days


Shoe, there are a lot of moan gatte here. Okay, maybe not.  :biggrin:

BUT BEFORE YOU DO...Guys:

It was never meant to be easy, cheap or simple, so suck it up and get your asses to the start!  >:D :ricky:

What you are buying is is not a holiday trip, nor is it some kind of service delivery agreement. You are buyinga FIM rally experience.. Only a few people in the world get to do it because it is so damn hard and expensive. So before you say you did not get what you paid for, think about the rest of this post.

Firstly, things are never easy on a rally, and they often don´t turn out like you thought they would. If not....ek is jammer om jou kak te hoor.

If the food is good, it will be a bonus. Showers? It will be awesome if get any at all, never mind hot ones. Anyway, its not broke back mountain: "die groot manne" need to be made smaller. :evil6:

(http://ih1.redbubble.net/work.3177627.3.flat,550x550,075,f.harden-the-f-k-up.jpg)

Yes, the trommels are too small
Yes the start is far away
Yes you have to organise your own accommodation before the start and after the finish
Yes you have to get ALL your own shit to the start and from the finish ALL BY YOURSELF
Yes the malle moto guys do get the best spots - They are afkakking doublé time without your team managers, mobile motor homes, private mechanics and massage specialists.
Yes if you want to stay in a lodge every night you might be miles from the bivouac
Yes you will almost certainly be able to camp close to or in the bivouac even if you are not malle moto
Yes your banners will be flying proudly in the circus of the bivouac each day. (If someone puts them up)

There will be a myriad of other inconveniences, and small things you need to attend to that you thought you did not.


Will everything go as planned?  Absolutely not!

It´s a rally after all, and when shit happens people suck it up. Those that don´t can get their panties in a knot and whinge about the price/lack of service if they wish -as if they are going to change anything at all- ::) They will just be laughed at by the rest of us. :laughing4:

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsP_CivMYDflFdj9z4SP7n7KqP4nRHyLCW3YR-DKLAgJo4RJCnuQ)

The Amageza is not a joke poser event like another event we all know about rally. This route will be long and hard, and well planned. If it is shortened for whatever reason we will likely be very glad the punishment is less! Rather than moaning,we should be grateful knowing that the Amageza organization are fully committed to our safety; they have the experience to run an event like this and they have delivered brilliantly in the past. So we can ride with the confidence that they will pull us out of the stage and get us to the bivouac  if anything goes wrong.

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/ADV/Rallye/i-dHJhw7m/0/XL/cyrildespres-XL.jpg)

Having said that if you do drop out for whatever reason, or you arrive at the bivouac very late or stay too long, it will likely move on without you. A rally clears the stage and then waits for no one. The next day it moves. Make sure you have a plan B to get home, because if you read the fine print, unless otherwise organised, you have to get your own bike and yourself home from Ashkam if that is where your broken bike was towed to. You dont want to be the only person left in Ashkam!  :snorting: Dont cry if you are.....just saying.

Most of all the AMAGEZA orga have provided us with an opportunity to learn who we really are, and whether we can meet the challenge above all odds. How much is that worth?

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/ADV/Rallye/i-x9x8GsR/0/XL/2009-3-XL.jpg)

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Other/Dakar/i-zVhMt9T/0/XL/st3%20fretigne-XL.jpg)

Like all good rallies, getting to the start line with a working bike is a moer of a mission and an achievement in itself.

I congratulate everyone who has had the balls to enter. Some of us are not going to finish, but that long makes no one any less a hero for daring to set out on the 1st leg. :hello2: :hello2:

For those of you who have never done a proper rally before, DONT PANIC. It will be okay.  :thumleft: Ride safely and enjoy yourself, its going to be a lot of fun, and if youre sensible in your approach and stay focused on the objective, you can finish. Yes, you will be overwhelmed at times, but if you focus on getting to the finish of each day, each hard section, -one day and one hard section at time- you can actually eat this elephant. :thumright:

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/ADV/Rallye/i-kjK87Cm/0/XL/IMG_1074-XL.jpg)



Youre going to make a lot of new friends, you´ll likely help someone in need, you´ll likely be helped by someone else. You´ll meet guys who are seriously fast and good, and other who are slow but get there every day. You´ll learn that there is Little difference between them, that we are brothers in arms, that there is very little time for ego´s, kak verhoudings and all the other typical transparencies we see in everyday life. You´ll see people for who they really are, and you will see yourself for who you are.

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Sertoes/Sertoes-other2/i-dTrtNbX/0/XL/d07_040_rs10_stepannorairchahinian_077482-XL.jpg)

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/ADV/Rallye/i-9txDcTC/0/XL/2009-2-XL.jpg)


You´ll experience every emotion from joy and excitement, to sadness, fear, and laughter, in the same day, and you will do some of the best riding in your life. How much is that worth?


For the other worries I have seen:

Your bivouac will not be separated from the main event as a non malle moto entrant, so your banners will be there, but you might be sleeping somewhere else. This is the inconvenience of being in a big team.


I doubt very much the malle moto guys will be shutoff /separated from everyone else, they just cant have other people working on their bikes. Likely their bikes will be in area demarcated with tape.  Normally in a rally they are closest to meals, bathrooms, race control and organizational assistance, and they have the best camping spots. They are the hardest guys in the rally afterall.

Finally, how badly do you want that finishers medal, and at what price does it come?

(http://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Sertoes/Sertoes-other2/i-QmXv9TS/0/XL/d10_101_rs10_theoribeiro_109568-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on September 11, 2014, 05:08:33 pm
Good stuff!!  :thumleft:

a general question: If a rider does not make a stage/day due to mechanical issues, will he be disqualified? And if he can fix the bike for the next day, will he be allowed to ride 'just for fun' even though not being timed?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 11, 2014, 06:25:06 pm
Its very likely if he can get to the bivouac on own power even a couple of hours before the next day he will be allowed to start - it is the decisión of the orga, but they may not let him start if they feel it would be unsafe to do so.

If you dont make it due to a mechanical or even miss a stage, I reckon they will allow you to start the next day, but you wont get a finishers medal.


Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 11, 2014, 07:40:47 pm
Nice post, BB  :thumleft:

I can't wait to get there but at the same time I'm shitting myself - I already feel the nerves I normally feel on the start line  :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 11, 2014, 07:49:04 pm
Good stuff!!  :thumleft:
a general question: If a rider does not make a stage/day due to mechanical issues, will he be disqualified? And if he can fix the bike for the next day, will he be allowed to ride 'just for fun' even though not being timed?


From the Amageza SRs:

Cut and Run
A entrant may Cut and Run in the following circumstances:
If an entrant chooses not to compete in a Selective Section (for any reason) he/ she may elect to miss that section but will have to miss all subsequent sections of that Leg (Day).
No further time penalties or late time will be applied, but the entrant will incur the maximum penalty for the missing section, or sections, which will be equal to 200% of the ‘Target Time’ for that section in the case of the Selective Sections (Special) or 150% of the ‘Allotted Time’ for Road Sections (Liaison).
A entrant may rejoin the ‘Race’ only at the start of the next Leg.
A entrant may elect to miss the following day when taking the Cut and Run option to effect repairs but will incur penalties as listed for a Cut and Run.
A entrant may leave the prescribed course only at a major control where a Marshal is present and never from within a Selective Section or a Road Section. If an entrant elects to ‘Cut and Run’ (miss a section or sections) he/ she SHALL report it to the Clerk of Course via a phone-call to Amageza HQ and to the Marshal on duty at the major point.
Once an entrant has advised of a decision to ‘Cut and Run’, this cannot be reversed for the particular Leg.
Failure to report the intention to ‘Cut and Run’ may result in exclusion from the entire race, furthermore, a rider may choose to miss a complete Leg (eg: to effect repairs,) however the maximum time penalty of missing sections will be applied.
During the course of the race, a entrant may choose the ‘Cut and Run’ option only once, after which the complete (100%) remainder of the course must be completed, or the entrant will face exclusion.

Finisher
To qualify as a finisher of the race and qualify for a finisher's medallion, a entrant shall:
Complete the course to the satisfaction of the organisers, in total accordance to these regulations AND
Have not been excluded from the race by the Clerk of the Course or Stewards for any breach of regulation AND
Have completed 100% of the course as presented by the organisers AND
Have not used a ‘Cut and Run’ option.


So to answer your question:
Only MSA can disqualify you, we can only exclude you.
If you can get your bike fixed, then Yes, you can ride, but you won't be counted as a finisher.
This isn't a free-for-all - If the marshals think that you are a danger to yourself or to other people, then they won't allow you to continue.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 11, 2014, 08:42:49 pm
Great post BB the Wise! Look forward to meeting you there!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 11, 2014, 09:33:42 pm
Great post BB!

Point taken, I'll stop moaning...  ;D

I can't wait to get there but at the same time I'm shitting myself - I already feel the nerves I normally feel on the start line  :o :o :o

Hehe, same here.

This thing has destroyed our budget for this year. But yes, where else can you do an FIM Ralley for this money? Will just have to roll with punches.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bmad on September 11, 2014, 09:42:38 pm
F@ck, I am not riding, but I am excited and eager.
Had to go over the time away from home this evening with the missus and she was going on about the holiday, how lucky I am to be getting a break, blah blah blah.

No matter how hard I tried, she does not believe this is harder work than daily graft and that we will all return home at the end in dire need of a vacation
 :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bud500 on September 11, 2014, 10:04:32 pm
Great Post BB!  :thumleft:
Amageza should publish it in a competitor bulletin.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: whitedelight on September 11, 2014, 11:04:18 pm
Anyone know the max size of the trommel we are allowed? I have seen some really big ones before. I cant find any mention of it in the "guide".

Would also like to know, still need to find one.

Imagine myself seeing something somewhere mentioning 800 x 400 x 400?


SPeak to Pistonpete,he can get you trommels at a good price.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Roadkill on September 12, 2014, 01:14:39 pm
 well said BB   :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on September 12, 2014, 10:53:31 pm
I would just like to complain and moan about bb's post cos I have crapped myself a little bit more. :eek7: Thanks :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Jacques@Upington on September 13, 2014, 12:06:54 pm
Hi All, I read all the great posts, not much of a poster myself, just a word of encouragement to the guys who read Alex's mail about going through towns. {edited}. My bike was not {edited }but I still made to Kakamas. Traffic guys are great to deal with if you stay nice to them. I am doing it on a {edited}500KTM this year and I am am not worried a bit. Go for it guys it is going to be magic this year. Would like to show a picture of what my bike looked like on day two but do not even know how to attach picture. Clueless I know, but racing is importanter then school.

To be prudent, I took the liberty of to editing this post, its a public fórum  ;) BTW welcome to the fórum  :thumleft: - Bluebull2007
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Jacques@Upington on September 13, 2014, 12:08:15 pm
Hey! my picture did actually go through
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on September 13, 2014, 01:21:11 pm
On what to wear.. The rules are quire clear that you need particular protection on your body, but the question I have is should I be considering using my Klim badlands jacket. It has good protection (back, chest, shoulder, elbows) but not sure if it is as good as body protector and I'm not sure if it qualifies as the required protection. I was considering using it because of all the pockets, waterproofness etc. but now that its nice and warm again I have some doubts how good it will be. Do these jackets qualify for the required protection at Amageza? What are you wearing to race?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 13, 2014, 05:30:55 pm
Body protector/mx jersey/thin wind proof and waterproof for the early mornings. I'm guessing heat will be much more an issue than cold. I suffer from cold though, so will have warm gloves and base layer with me just in case...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 13, 2014, 07:29:45 pm
How cold can it be in that area in November? Not midnight but early hours and possibly late hours?

I was just gonna do MX gear with overboot type pants - they've got pockets, MX pants don't - but if it gets cold, I'll make a plan ......
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 13, 2014, 08:19:37 pm
On what to wear.. The rules are quire clear that you need particular protection on your body, but the question I have is should I be considering using my Klim badlands jacket. It has good protection (back, chest, shoulder, elbows) but not sure if it is as good as body protector and I'm not sure if it qualifies as the required protection. I was considering using it because of all the pockets, waterproofness etc. but now that its nice and warm again I have some doubts how good it will be. Do these jackets qualify for the required protection at Amageza? What are you wearing to race?

Remove the pads and wear it over protection. The Klim jacket will work perfectly as a shell layer.   Leatt makes wearable chicken vests, MX style stuff works as well.  They check that you have knee guards, chest and back protection, shoulder, bicep and elbow/forearm guards during scrutineering.  The pads in a jacket will not make scrutineering.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 13, 2014, 08:29:17 pm
How cold can it be in that area in November? Not midnight but early hours and possibly late hours?

I was just gonna do MX gear with overboot type pants - they've got pockets, MX pants don't - but if it gets cold, I'll make a plan ......

Upington will likely be in the 35 - low 40's range with the evenings 25+.  Sutherland is a different story, could be as low as 10.  You'll need 2 sets of kit for the different conditions.  For what its worth, some guys not local to here actually prefer a rally jacket with lots of vents in the heat, as it keeps the heat from directly burning you.  The vents apparently cool down the air that reaches your body to a degree.  I'm more concerned about my bike than myself, I have medical aid.  I've seen temps up to 47 when on my bike on the tar.  The air burns your throat, making you want to puke.  Test with a hair drier.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 13, 2014, 09:03:52 pm
How cold can it be in that area in November? Not midnight but early hours and possibly late hours?

I was just gonna do MX gear with overboot type pants - they've got pockets, MX pants don't - but if it gets cold, I'll make a plan ......

Upington will likely be in the 35 - low 40's range with the evenings 25+.  Sutherland is a different story, could be as low as 10.  You'll need 2 sets of kit for the different conditions.  For what its worth, some guys not local to here actually prefer a rally jacket with lots of vents in the heat, as it keeps the heat from directly burning you.  The vents apparently cool down the air that reaches your body to a degree.  I'm more concerned about my bike than myself, I have medical aid.  I've seen temps up to 47 when on my bike on the tar.  The air burns your throat, making you want to puke.  Test with a hair drier.


Yes I like the jacket over the armour vest, over a wicking shirt. Camelback goes under the jacket to promote airflow (and keep your wáter cold). You cannot stop for long like this without getting really hot though.


 If its cold, I´ll wear surgical gloves and close all the vents on my jacket. Rubbish bag over the armour, under the jacket if its freezing
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on September 14, 2014, 12:31:43 am
Great advise thanks.. I'll be trying out the Jacket over armor setup and see how that works. Perhaps I'll have a MX jersey in the trommel for in case it is just too hot. The big bonus of having a jacket/shell is that you don't  need to carry a bum bag as it has plenty pockets and no need for waterproofs. I like the idea of the rubbish bag for the when its freezing  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 14, 2014, 04:15:19 am
Plus the jacket will provide you with a lot of additional protection, which is important.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Jacques@Upington on September 14, 2014, 08:19:31 am
Thanks BB, did not think clearly, like I said racing is importanter then school. Was worried that some guys might drop out? Well spotted!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 14, 2014, 08:43:37 am
How cold can it be in that area in November? Not midnight but early hours and possibly late hours?

I was just gonna do MX gear with overboot type pants - they've got pockets, MX pants don't - but if it gets cold, I'll make a plan ......

Upington will likely be in the 35 - low 40's range with the evenings 25+.  Sutherland is a different story, could be as low as 10.  You'll need 2 sets of kit for the different conditions.  For what its worth, some guys not local to here actually prefer a rally jacket with lots of vents in the heat, as it keeps the heat from directly burning you.  The vents apparently cool down the air that reaches your body to a degree.  I'm more concerned about my bike than myself, I have medical aid.  I've seen temps up to 47 when on my bike on the tar.  The air burns your throat, making you want to puke.  Test with a hair drier.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 15, 2014, 09:13:16 am
Follow Alex on Facebook... he's cooking up some 'horrible' sounding routes for us   >:D Fitness may be key...

Yesterday:
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Stuck in a riverbed somewhere South of the RSA border. Can't find the exit. Thanks to satphone and google earth Sean might be able to help!

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40km from civilisation. Breeze coming down the canyon. Camp set. After the radiator the Hayado is fine. Terrain rough. Tough stage this.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 15, 2014, 09:32:00 am
Follow Alex on Facebook... he's cooking up some 'horrible' sounding routes for us   >:D Fitness may be key...

Yesterday:
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Stuck in a riverbed somewhere South of the RSA border. Can't find the exit. Thanks to satphone and google earth Sean might be able to help!

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40km from civilisation. Breeze coming down the canyon. Camp set. After the radiator the Hayado is fine. Terrain rough. Tough stage this.

Sounds like fun.

I'll have to spend some more time at De-Wildt in the riverbeds there.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 15, 2014, 10:33:10 am
How cold can it be in that area in November? Not midnight but early hours and possibly late hours?

I was just gonna do MX gear with overboot type pants - they've got pockets, MX pants don't - but if it gets cold, I'll make a plan ......

Upington will likely be in the 35 - low 40's range with the evenings 25+.  Sutherland is a different story, could be as low as 10.  You'll need 2 sets of kit for the different conditions.  For what its worth, some guys not local to here actually prefer a rally jacket with lots of vents in the heat, as it keeps the heat from directly burning you.  The vents apparently cool down the air that reaches your body to a degree.  I'm more concerned about my bike than myself, I have medical aid.  I've seen temps up to 47 when on my bike on the tar.  The air burns your throat, making you want to puke.  Test with a hair drier.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Ok, just saying here.  I have a similar Kini jacket and I have found that it is extremely hot to ride with.  I am not  talking about a days ride on the tar, but technical offroad stuff.  The jacket simply drained all my energy away from the heat.  The differnce between that and a purpose made rally jacket or a even a riding shirt was and is huge for me.  It makes all the differnece for me that is.  Your body needs to cool and if you cannot get that from the gear you are wearing, then you should change it immediately.  We will be riding the special stages in the very hot part of the day.   Liason sections are a different story, but we do not have the option of changing gear when out there.  So in my opinion, go and ride on a hot day for 4,5 even 6 hours offroad with techical stuff, and see how you feel.  You may find that it is perfect for you, or you may realise now that you need to rethink the jacket.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 16, 2014, 03:34:25 am
Thats a fair point Mark. :deal:

Ive never had the luxury of a purpose made jacket (BTW do you still have the link with your supplier/manufacturer?), but managed okay with my setup (as described above) in Brazil which went up to 40-45 degrees with very high humidity. Admittedly I did ride most of the time with my jacket unzipped down to my navel for better airflow. :evil6:

I doubt there is enough time to organize something in time for the Amageza anyway, so you´ll likely see me in my same old, beat up gear. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 16, 2014, 05:53:56 am
(BTW do you still have the link with your supplier/manufacturer?)


Link to KENNY - http://www.kenny-racing.com/ (http://www.kenny-racing.com/)
E-mail - nicolas@kenny-racing.com - Speak to Nico if you call direct, he is very helpfull.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 18, 2014, 05:59:02 pm
Are the Amageza RB distances measured in 100m or 10m intervals?

My ICO can do both but it seems to me that 10m might be more accurate but may need a lot of adjusting while riding.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 18, 2014, 06:01:23 pm
Im almost certain it will be 10m intervals. Most roadbooks are.


EDIT: Actually it would be more accurate to say 1/100th of km ...e.g. 165.34 km
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 18, 2014, 06:13:37 pm
 :thumleft: - I think?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 18, 2014, 06:19:02 pm
Are the Amageza RB distances measured in 100m or 10m intervals?

My ICO can do both but it seems to me that 10m might be more accurate but may need a lot of adjusting while riding.


Im almost certain it will be 10m intervals. Most roadbooks are.


EDIT: Actually it would be more accurate to say 1/100th of km ...e.g. 165.34 km


Amageza last year was set to 1/100 if memory serves me correct.  My only issue with this, is the ICO set up.  To set it to 1/100, you will loose the first digit as it has only 4 possible digits.  I.E. when the ICO trips over to 100km, 200km etc, you will not be shown the 1 or 2 of the hundreth km that you have tripped over.  I prefer to set mine to 10m intervals.  Some of my team mates prefer it the other way, so it comes down to your preference.  Either way of course is correct and good.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 18, 2014, 06:26:39 pm
Did you find yourself adjusting it quite a lot or are the 'sections' long enough that you're not continuously on the buttons?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 18, 2014, 06:43:19 pm
Did you find yourself adjusting it quite a lot or are the 'sections' long enough that you're not continuously on the buttons?

No, not more than is usual.  You will always be adjusting your ICO many times on the route, which is normal, believe me.  The difference of 10m to 1m on the road is direct eye view on the road.  If I make a turn at a particular point on the road book which reads 165.34, I will either advance it to 165.4 or retard it to 165.3 depending on how my ICO on that day is performing, which you will quickly find out during your days ride.  I know this sounds weird, but some days are different to others, which could be a matter of fact how the road book was measured that day, how much tread/knobblies, i.e. wheel circumference has changed slightly, and perhaps other variables to.  I believe it to be wheel circ, as I have found riding with my old used tyres when home that I make constant ICO adjustments.  But that is ok, as we are not talking 100 to 200m differences here.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 18, 2014, 07:38:58 pm
If you set the ICO to Auto Calibration, it will become more accurate after a couple of adjustments.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 18, 2014, 09:40:21 pm
Did you find yourself adjusting it quite a lot or are the 'sections' long enough that you're not continuously on the buttons?

No, not more than is usual.  You will always be adjusting your ICO many times on the route, which is normal, believe me.  The difference of 10m to 1m on the road is direct eye view on the road.  If I make a turn at a particular point on the road book which reads 165.34, I will either advance it to 165.4 or retard it to 165.3 depending on how my ICO on that day is performing, which you will quickly find out during your days ride.  I know this sounds weird, but some days are different to others, which could be a matter of fact how the road book was measured that day, how much tread/knobblies, i.e. wheel circumference has changed slightly, and perhaps other variables to.  I believe it to be wheel circ, as I have found riding with my old used tyres when home that I make constant ICO adjustments.  But that is ok, as we are not talking 100 to 200m differences here.

Go with this explanation, its better than mine. :deal:  

Except for one thing: ;D


165.34 means 165km and 340m, right? So if you drop the decimal on your ICO to read 165.3 you are may have more trouble finding that elusive , less visible (-v) turnoff... Look at it like this:

If you get to 165.4 and you are sure your ICO is right, then you know you have gone too far by as much as perhaps 100m.

versus

If you get to 65.35 and you are sure of your ICO distance, then you know you have gone too far by just a few meters.


The latter is more precise, particularly if the roadbook is very detailed with tulips close to one another. So if you want to be precise, set it to 2 decimal places (65.34). You obviously will know how many hundreds of km you have done even though its not displayed because for sure you can tell the difference between 65km and 165km, and anyway you are following a roadbook with perhaps 50-150 navpoints with the axact distance written down for you. It is very very unlikely for you to get lost by more than 30km at most if you are following your roadbook.

Some other tips:
 
Calibrating your ICO in the rally:

The trick is not so much how many decimals you want to use but more a case of being sure your ICO is calibrated to the road book. So when there is a clear left hand turn, a clear landmark indicated that you will easily recognise, or a huge obvious !!! danger that is very clear like a collapsed bridge marked in the roadbook, and you know where you are AND  you are sure you are not lost,  CHECK that your ICO is matching the road book distance at that known point. I try to do this at every navigation point as a habit.

If the ICO and roadbook distances do not match, just click it up or down so that the ICO matches the roadbook distance at that point. Stop if necessary. You need to do this calibration step every 10km or so at least because naturally your distance covered can change a little bit from the road book measured distance, and you can be 5-10% out (500m-1km) over this distance.

Soon enough you will find out if your ICO is slightly over or underestimating on each time and you will get into a rythm of calibration. Having your ICO on autocalc mode, reduces this effect/work a lot, but some guys prefer not to have autocalc on because it is confuses them.

What ever you decide, the liaisons are good places to test this stuff and settle down on your system when you have less time pressure (hopefully).


What do you do if you get lost?

Cut and run, cut and run. :imaposer:

No seriously: It is illegal to backtrack on a course per FIM rules. You are putting your own life and the lives of the other guys coming up behind you at risk of a bad head-on collision. So if you do have to back-track for all our sakes DO IT SLOWLY AND VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFULLY. Rather ride next to the track. Honestly, there is nothing more terrifying than coming over a ridge or round a bend at  160km/hr, using the full width of the road for the turn to find a quad or bike coming straight back at you because he is F$%&/"$ lost. It happened to me and I can tell you we were both extremely lucky.... :eek: You dont want to die.

So what do you do? The only thing for you to do is to start sleuthing. Look for tracks. They might be wrong but they could give you an indication. Check your GPS, maybe there is a demarcated WP not to far off. Look around. is there dust from other riders? Can you see anyone? Bear in mind they could also be lost too, perhaps double more lost than you!!  :patch:  :snorting: Sometimes its worth taking a chance and following someone. If you need to back track, read the above paragraph again. Dont take any safety chances, seriously.

See how far past you are from your last known point/tulip. You have to go back probably that distance, so calculate what your ICO will be reading at that known point if you go back. :evil6: I should mention at this point that the more you have ridden around aimlessly looking for shit, the more your ICO is going to be out at this point, so take this into account. Have lots of fun doing maths and feeling screwed over in the hot sun!!  >:D  >:D  :sad5:

Smile because Alexander has caught you out, and know he is laughing at your account. You rose to meet your match and been beaten by the designer of the course.  :whip2:

Now if you backtrack past your calculated distance without recognising anything, then know you are either seriously freaking lost or have gotten the last point wrong as well!  The latter is quite possible, and hopefully that is the case. :bluduh: You should probably stop and have a little think about it at this point. Have a salt pill and a power bar as well. It´ll help you from getting even more lost and losing more time. Assuming you got two tulips wrong, you now need to add the distance back to the previous tulip, and and add to back track to that point.  Repeat as necessary until you find yourself again....

Either that or shortcut on your GPS to the next WP. Good luck - You may have an epic trip in getting there!  :imaposer: You can also thank yourself for the penalties you will get on the way and the time lost getting lost. ;D  The truth is sometimes this is the better thing to do. Its a call you will have to make.

Now assume you somehow found the right way again and you are at a known point again. That´s easy, just reset your ICO to the corresponding distance in your roadbook. If you think you have found the route but are not sure where you are in the road book then you have a new problem:

No matter where you go from there you could be horribly wrong. You can take a chance and belt off somewhere on your own, but it may cost you dearly if you are wrong. The best course of action is to wait and then  follow someone who you think might not be lost. Remember though, and repeat after me: Assumptio is the mother of all ??? :evil6:

So if you do follow someone, you have to assume they are not reading the roadbook.

Expect anything and modulate your speed in case you hit a triple caution danger. Never ever ride in the guys dust - you dont even have a road book to follow! The guy you are following will likely lose you - thats okay, he is your marker. You need to be riding slowly looking for a decent land mark that matches something in your roadbook where you think you might be! If and when you find that point, fix your ICO to match that point and Bob´s your aunty youre back in the race!  :thumbsup:
 

If you don´t you and you have done like 10km with your marker boy without spotting anything recognisable, you need to stop and think again, maybe this clown is leading you further off course!
 :tool: :sign5:

In which case you have to cut and run to the next WP / end of the Leg or go back again.....Good luck with that and start praying you have enough light and fuel to get to the finish.

Hope this has been helpful!



Final Words of caution: Be careful not to get road book fixation and forget to look at the road while you are riding. This is ea]sier to do than you think! The results are obviously not what the doctor ordered ;D Rather pull off on the side of the road (never stop in the middle of the road) and work it out if you need to. Sometimes this is very helpful, more so if you´re like me who can only do one thing at a time!

Do not, I repeat DO NOT second guess yourself! If you follow the process, you need to believe in your ICO. Learn to rely on your equipment.


If you set the ICO to Auto Calibration, it will become more accurate after a couple of adjustments.

Yes, so long as they are not big ones which I believe the software "excludes".
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 19, 2014, 04:58:47 am
Did you find yourself adjusting it quite a lot or are the 'sections' long enough that you're not continuously on the buttons?

No, not more than is usual.  You will always be adjusting your ICO many times on the route, which is normal, believe me.  The difference of 100m to 1m on the road is direct eye view on the road.  If I make a turn at a particular point on the road book which reads 165.34, I will either advance it to 165.4 or retard it to 165.3 depending on how my ICO on that day is performing, which you will quickly find out during your days ride.  I know this sounds weird, but some days are different to others, which could be a matter of fact how the road book was measured that day, how much tread/knobblies, i.e. wheel circumference has changed slightly, and perhaps other variables to.  I believe it to be wheel circ, as I have found riding with my old used tyres when home that I make constant ICO adjustments.  But that is ok, as we are not talking 100 to 200m differences here.

Apologies, have corrected my typo & brain fart statement  :-[ ::), should have been 100m and not 10m above.
BB - you are correct and all good advise.  At the end of the day, you still need to get out there and test your device and see what suits you.  
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 19, 2014, 10:14:26 am
As you may know by now, OverlandRider (Jonathan) is the Gent that has riden through Africa from the UK and will be taking part in the Amageza.  I have offered him acces to ridng gear and equipmet that he will need rather than having to incur another huge expense during his travels.  He has taken up the offer, however I am unable to assist him MX Boots.  We just not the same size.  Does anyone has a spare set of size 43 that they are prepared to loan Jonathan for the Amageza??   :)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 19, 2014, 10:56:29 am
Great info BB thanks a million.
Because of work I have not been able to do any RB training yet. I will only be back in SA on 5 Oct then I need to concentrate on that.
As far as I know the RB gives you a distance from the current tulip to the next one. Do you reset your ICO at every tulip?
I need to soak up as much info as I can.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 19, 2014, 11:03:50 am
As far as I know the RB gives you a distance from the current tulip to the next one.

Yep, the smaller number at the bottom.

That's the only one I use due to my little bicycle trip meters. Cannot adjust them, can only reset them. So after every tulip I reset my trip meter, except in cases where it's easy to add the distances of a few of them.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 19, 2014, 02:58:24 pm
Great info BB thanks a million.
Because of work I have not been able to do any RB training yet. I will only be back in SA on 5 Oct then I need to concentrate on that.
As far as I know the RB gives you a distance from the current tulip to the next one. Do you reset your ICO at every tulip?
I need to soak up as much info as I can.

The distance is from the start of the Stage/special, so you shouldnt have to reset your ICO each time. If you dont have an ICO then you need to do what LoopsoosStroop suggests.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 19, 2014, 09:43:21 pm
Great info BB thanks a million.
Because of work I have not been able to do any RB training yet. I will only be back in SA on 5 Oct then I need to concentrate on that.
As far as I know the RB gives you a distance from the current tulip to the next one. Do you reset your ICO at every tulip?
I need to soak up as much info as I can.

The distance is from the start of the Stage/special, so you shouldnt have to reset your ICO each time. If you dont have an ICO then you need to do what LoopsoosStroop suggests.


Aha makes sence now. So I wil concentrate on the total distance and adjust  the ICO to that.
Thanks again guys.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: T9ER on September 20, 2014, 12:20:11 pm
As you may know by now, OverlandRider (Jonathan) is the Gent that has riden through Africa from the UK and will be taking part in the Amageza.  I have offered him acces to ridng gear and equipmet that he will need rather than having to incur another huge expense during his travels.  He has taken up the offer, however I am unable to assist him MX Boots.  We just not the same size.  Does anyone has a spare set of size 43 that they are prepared to loan Jonathan for the Amageza??   :)

I have a pair of older TCX that he is welcome to keep. I think they are the right size, the label is long gone. I think they would be good enough still to get him through the race.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on September 20, 2014, 03:01:18 pm
A bit of Roadbook 101 (from somebody who has never ridden a race with one  ;)):

Alex is using Rally Navigator to generate the Amageza roadbook, so it will have the look and feel of the one on the right in the picture below. The one on the left is from Brett Cumming's Dakar roadbook from this year, as a comparison.

The big number in the box on the right is total distance . This is shown in Dakar and in Rally Navigator in 10m increments ie two decimal places. Brett and lots of the top rally riders choose to blank out the second digit, apparently 10m passes too quickly at Mach2.
The little number on the bottom left of the box is a counter. Rally Navigator has a simple incrementing counter, Dakar has a "distance since you started today" I guess because they have multiple roadbook rolls per day.  This is useful if there are changes to the roadbook announced at the riders briefing, and you have to cut-and-paste (literally, with scissors and sticky tape) new bits into the roadbook. The numbers help you to join the pieces together in the right order.
The little number on the bottom right of the box is incremental distance ie distance from the last tulip. This is what LoopSoosStroop will be using, a lot!

The big box on the right is for the cryptic tulip, and confusing French abbreviations.
Rally Navigator uses a box in the bottom left to show the CAP heading, shown as C. It is not necessarily shown in each tulip. Dakar shows the CAP heading in smallish freee text, so Brett chose to write this is big red letters so that he sees it at Mach 2.

For the guys that havn't ridden with roadbooks before, you will need scissors, sticky tape, and multi-coloured highlighters. Highlighting the important bits really, really helps, because the workload can get very high navigating while you ride.
Different people have different highlighting schemes. I just mess around with roadbooks, but what works for me is:
 - Red for dangers
 - Blue for changes of direction
 - A big yellow bar down the right hand side if I am in a speed controlled zone
Brett uses green for changes of direction. I found green doesn't show up with the LED backlighting that I have, but other roadbooks may be different.

Kinda make sense?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 20, 2014, 09:02:52 pm
Makes sense to me - day 1 is the big learning curve - if you survive that, it can only get easier ........................................................
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 21, 2014, 01:25:16 am
Sure hopes this happens to any of us...! :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/v/G4cz7Kjd7to

Kevin Muggleton  on the 2nd stage of Dakar 2014. He never made it to the end of the stage - electrical problems.  :-[



Least we dont have any of these to worry about...

https://www.youtube.com/v/EDEOYMd14p4
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 21, 2014, 04:28:29 am
As you may know by now, OverlandRider (Jonathan) is the Gent that has riden through Africa from the UK and will be taking part in the Amageza.  I have offered him acces to ridng gear and equipmet that he will need rather than having to incur another huge expense during his travels.  He has taken up the offer, however I am unable to assist him MX Boots.  We just not the same size.  Does anyone has a spare set of size 43 that they are prepared to loan Jonathan for the Amageza??   :)

I have a pair of older TCX that he is welcome to keep. I think they are the right size, the label is long gone. I think they would be good enough still to get him through the race.

You are a champion Joey, will call your HIDE when I am home.  :ricky: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 21, 2014, 03:02:40 pm
Just got my new filming rig up and running especially for the Amageza, smooth 3 axis gimbal and a long range control link :D

Should be able to chase bikes for 5km+
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on September 21, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
Just got my new filming rig up and running especially for the Amageza, smooth 3 axis gimbal and a long range control link :D

Should be able to chase bikes for 5km+


 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on September 22, 2014, 06:29:38 am
Has anyone been able to access the new Amageza site yet  ??? or is it just me again and this blady slow connection!!  >:( ???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on September 22, 2014, 06:42:33 am
This is going to be awesome  :ricky:

Wish I was riding.

Good luck to all involved (competitors and organisers).

You all have my envy and admiration already.

Looking forward to the drone footage.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 22, 2014, 07:43:47 am
Has anyone been able to access the new Amageza site yet  ??? or is it just me again and this blady slow connection!!  >:( ???

Blame the connection  :thumleft:

I haven't navigated the new site yet but I can access it.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on September 22, 2014, 09:44:06 am
Has anyone been able to access the new Amageza site yet  ??? or is it just me again and this blady slow connection!!  >:( ???

Jip.

Looks good. 
I assume Alex is going to allow people to track the riders on the website?!?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 23, 2014, 11:21:55 am
Nov     Moonset             Moonrise             Time                   Distance (km)   Illum.

1   -   01:40   ↑ (258°)   13:25   ↑ (100°)   19:57   (68.1°)   368,534   68.4%
2   -   02:24   ↑ (263°)   14:28   ↑ (95°)   20:50   (63.5°)   367,901   79.0%
3   -   03:06   ↑ (268°)   15:31   ↑ (89°)   21:42   (58.8°)   368,167   87.9%
4   -   03:48   ↑ (273°)   16:34   ↑ (84°)   22:35   (54.2°)   369,485   94.5%
5   -   04:30   ↑ (278°)   17:37   ↑ (79°)   23:28   (50.0°)   371,925   98.6%
6   -   05:14   ↑ (283°)   18:39   ↑ (75°)   -   -   -
7   -   06:00   ↑ (287°)   19:40   ↑ (72°)   00:21   (46.6°)   375,429   100.0%

Moon phases for Upington in Nov. Good news for those of us with crappy lights. Not that I plan on getting lost  or being late  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 23, 2014, 11:24:53 am
Any one know how windy these parts of the world are that time of year?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 23, 2014, 01:20:02 pm
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 23, 2014, 01:29:39 pm
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on September 23, 2014, 01:35:26 pm
Are these considered to be mx type boots? They say mx on the logo. What constitutes mx style?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BLK on September 23, 2014, 01:44:50 pm
Those don't look tough to me.
MX=Strong ankle design,stitched soles,steel toe caps,strong buckles(Alum).

My idea

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 23, 2014, 02:16:32 pm
Those are MX style boots.  As opposed to Army or walking boots, you know.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 23, 2014, 02:17:48 pm
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind

Not even the birds are flying.  Jabiru flew backwards on final  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 23, 2014, 02:39:11 pm
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind

Not even the birds are flying.  Jabiru flew backwards on final  >:D
Will need to redo my max wind test soon as I have changed sooo many things that will effect it.


Check this for stable video and speed testing (topped out at 19 m/s there so like 68.4 km/h) wasn't, I have been trying to push it up to 80-100km/h and think I might just have hit the point where I can do 80. Will be amazing for filming Amageza if I can keep up with bikes in specials

https://www.youtube.com/v/HUNgY-yQdDY
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 23, 2014, 03:34:42 pm
ATTENTION: while planning your Amageza spares and equipment, don't forget the most important accessory of all: a beard!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/23/ubaqeby6.jpg)

More uses than your average toolkit: Protects you from the sun, keeps you warm on long, late liaisons, can store extra leftover food from breakfast for when you're starving at the end of that special.... Also certain to stave off the unwanted attention of those hordes of Amageza Groupies who'll be pawing at the clean shaven riders and preventing them getting important things done like oil changes.

Real Rally Men wear hair!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 23, 2014, 03:47:20 pm
I don't own a beard unfortunately. If I grow one it looks like a bird nest, built by a stingy beginner bird.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 23, 2014, 07:57:39 pm
All hail the Gingerbeard man   :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on September 23, 2014, 09:15:26 pm
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind

Not even the birds are flying.  Jabiru flew backwards on final  >:D
Will need to redo my max wind test soon as I have changed sooo many things that will effect it.


Check this for stable video and speed testing (topped out at 19 m/s there so like 68.4 km/h) wasn't, I have been trying to push it up to 80-100km/h and think I might just have hit the point where I can do 80. Will be amazing for filming Amageza if I can keep up with bikes in specials

https://www.youtube.com/v/HUNgY-yQdDY

Insanely awesome!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 24, 2014, 08:06:00 am
ATTENTION: while planning your Amageza spares and equipment, don't forget the most important accessory of all: a beard!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/23/ubaqeby6.jpg)

More uses than your average toolkit: Protects you from the sun, keeps you warm on long, late liaisons, can store extra leftover food from breakfast for when you're starving at the end of that special.... Also certain to stave off the unwanted attention of those hordes of Amageza Groupies who'll be pawing at the clean shaven riders and preventing them getting important things done like oil changes.

Real Rally Men wear hair!

Since I won't be doing oil changes at all - I'll shave instead and entertain the groupies for you  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: KND on September 24, 2014, 09:12:15 pm
LEATT Knee Brace
If anyone is considering buying the new LEATT knee brace, my advice is rather NOT.
At the Transanatolia Rally which I participated, my team mate used his new LEATT brace as a shake down for the DAKAR. He crashed and the main frame broke in 2 pieces. The scary part is that the break had sharp edges which could have penetrated straight into his leg.
This product is dangerous and I have written to LEATT to take this product off the market.
Kobus
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on September 24, 2014, 09:27:59 pm
LEATT Knee Brace
If anyone is considering buying the new LEATT knee brace, my advice is rather NOT.
At the Transanatolia Rally which I participated, my team mate used his new LEATT brace as a shake down for the DAKAR. He crashed and the main frame broke in 2 pieces. The scary part is that the break had sharp edges which could have penetrated straight into his leg.
This product is dangerous and I have written to LEATT to take this product off the market.
Kobus

Is that the new c-shape one? The one with a hinge only on one side?
And also importantly....did his knee survive? How hard was the crash?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on September 24, 2014, 09:31:09 pm
LEATT Knee Brace
If anyone is considering buying the new LEATT knee brace, my advice is rather NOT.
At the Transanatolia Rally which I participated, my team mate used his new LEATT brace as a shake down for the DAKAR. He crashed and the main frame broke in 2 pieces. The scary part is that the break had sharp edges which could have penetrated straight into his leg.
This product is dangerous and I have written to LEATT to take this product off the market.
Kobus

 :eek7: :o

I sincerely hope it is not the same Chinese plastic their new helmets about to be launched at Intermot are made of !  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 25, 2014, 12:47:05 am
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind

Not even the birds are flying.  Jabiru flew backwards on final  >:D
Will need to redo my max wind test soon as I have changed sooo many things that will effect it.


Check this for stable video and speed testing (topped out at 19 m/s there so like 68.4 km/h) wasn't, I have been trying to push it up to 80-100km/h and think I might just have hit the point where I can do 80. Will be amazing for filming Amageza if I can keep up with bikes in specials

https://www.youtube.com/v/HUNgY-yQdDY

Insanely awesome!

i want to know if he chased that little dog after the double take on it ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 25, 2014, 08:22:13 am
Right now its 030 20 gusting 35 kt.  That means its strong  :P (63 kph) Nov its generally not more that 20 - 25 knots
k cool, it's the one thing I can really plan for :-p

63km/h wouldn't work too well for filming. I'd get smooth footage with my new rig but I wouldn't be able to follow if the guys ride into the wind

Not even the birds are flying.  Jabiru flew backwards on final  >:D
Will need to redo my max wind test soon as I have changed sooo many things that will effect it.


Check this for stable video and speed testing (topped out at 19 m/s there so like 68.4 km/h) wasn't, I have been trying to push it up to 80-100km/h and think I might just have hit the point where I can do 80. Will be amazing for filming Amageza if I can keep up with bikes in specials

https://www.youtube.com/v/HUNgY-yQdDY

Insanely awesome!

i want to know if he chased that little dog after the double take on it ;D
haha naw I didnt, have video to prove it too! ;)
Title: 1st Aid Kit
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 25, 2014, 01:41:02 pm
I'm busy with the 1st Aid Kit.  Anybody has any idea what a disinfecting compress is?  My pharmacist hasn't got.  Google was not much help, either.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 25, 2014, 01:47:14 pm
I have  my handheld smoke flares if some one wants to buy em, dont think I will need em any time
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 25, 2014, 02:01:28 pm
I have  my handheld smoke flares if some one wants to buy em, dont think I will need em any time

Went through the regs the other day to check all my outstanding items, did not see flares anywhere. Might be wrong.
Title: Re: 1st Aid Kit
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 25, 2014, 02:04:34 pm
I'm busy with the 1st Aid Kit.  Anybody has any idea what a disinfecting compress is?  My pharmacist hasn't got.  Google was not much help, either.

Not that gauze material stuff they put underneath bandages, directly onto the wound? 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on September 25, 2014, 02:06:05 pm
I have  my handheld smoke flares if some one wants to buy em, dont think I will need em any time

Went through the regs the other day to check all my outstanding items, did not see flares anywhere. Might be wrong.
Ah ok

was there for last year
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 25, 2014, 03:15:01 pm
Ja I think it is mormal gause. So uou can use it with disinfectant to clean a wound but double check with King Alex.
No flares this year required.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on September 25, 2014, 07:39:19 pm
You have satellite trackers. We WILL find you, have no fear. Rather make sure your super-fly-red-hot exhaust pipe does not start a veld fire when you do a superman over the handlebars.

I'm busy testing the route and roadbook with this puppy. >:D

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 25, 2014, 07:42:53 pm
You beauty Alex! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on September 25, 2014, 08:02:51 pm
Ja I think it is mormal gause. So uou can use it with disinfectant to clean a wound but double check with King Alex.
No flares this year required.

Well, that's what I bought today :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 25, 2014, 09:44:44 pm
Naice! That's what I'm riding - how's the fuel range doing?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on September 26, 2014, 02:11:10 am
Talking first aid.. What is a medical board? And is cotton wool necessary or will gauze be accepted as well.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 26, 2014, 07:33:18 am
A medical board is the sign that has a green OK on one side and a red X on the other - to indicate your status to other riders. You see someone show an X - you stop.

BUT, aka.Goliath, the medical kit is the same one you've been carrying all year for the GOCs and the rules are the same ..............  ::)

Now I know why you were so fast ....................
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 26, 2014, 08:34:44 am
BUT, aka.Goliath, the medical kit is the same one you've been carrying all year for the GOCs and the rules are the same ..............  ::)

Remember, for the Amageza you need the list on the Guide and the list on the entry form.

The list on the guide is basically the MSA requirements (med kit + board). You can buy this whole list in a kit from Enduro World Magazine.

The list on the entry form has all kinds of other stuff on it.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on September 26, 2014, 02:30:42 pm
I asked Alex a while back - he told me MSA medical kit only  :thumleft:

+ the non-medical stuff mentioned, of course
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on September 26, 2014, 04:44:19 pm
BUT, aka.Goliath, the medical kit is the same one you've been carrying all year for the GOCs and the rules are the same ..............  ::)

Remember, for the Amageza you need the list on the Guide and the list on the entry form.

The list on the guide is basically the MSA requirements (med kit + board). You can buy this whole list in a kit from Enduro World Magazine.

The list on the entry form has all kinds of other stuff on it.

Cool I will definately do that.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on September 27, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
You have satellite trackers. We WILL find you, have no fear. Rather make sure your super-fly-red-hot exhaust pipe does not start a veld fire when you do a superman over the handlebars.

I'm busy testing the route and roadbook with this puppy. >:D



You call that a route? Looks like bossies in a vlakte.  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 27, 2014, 01:54:23 pm
Dont know if any of you have been following the Australasian Safari, but here are a couple of reflections. (Its 7 days doing about 350km/day). Hope its inspirational - I thought it was!

I'm back home in Perth with a broken R ankle. Operation booked with orthopaedic surgeon to plate and pin the fracture next Tuesday after the swelling goes down. Will include some arthroscope work on the ligament to realign it on the medial side.
Like Dave 47 I'm in a reflective mood. It's not until you do an event like this for the first time that you find out what's really required for an event like this. Near enough is not good enough but perfect is near enough.
Anyway, I'm glad I did have a go, because no amount of looking in from the outside can prepare you for what's ahead.

pete


-------------------------
Turns out I have a bit of time now, so I can chip in with the story of my race....

Prologue went slow and steady as usual, I hadn't ridden the bike since Condo, so just had a refamiliarisation lap, ended up in equal 25th, which I was happy with - it's the first Safari Prologue I'd done that I'd not finished last in. Bonus!

Getting into the Legs proper, and I felt really comfortable, except my right wrist which ached straight away. At the time in wondered how I'd ride the afternoon, let alone the rest of the event, but miraculously the pain just disappeared after the lunchtime service, so no idea what was going on there. The terrain was largely fast (4-6th gear) flowing trails, interspersed with tougher more technical bits and I really enjoyed it. No real standouts in terms of day 1 moments.

I started Day 2 a minute ahead of Neil, and he'd caught me around 60km into the first special. After that we rode together, and I plotted a flying finish overtaking manoeuvre of epic proportions. Unfortunately, while gathering momentum, I high-sided into a tree, the end result being Neil picking up a couple of minutes on me. DRAT.

Day 3, and similar terrain to the first two, but with more rock. I started a couple of minutes after Neil, with a quad between us. I caught the quad about 60km into the first special, but buggered if I could get past it. Luckily for me (unluckily for him), the quad took a wrong turn, and I gassed it to the service. Neil hadn't arrived yet, and I hadn't overtaken him, which means he'd also taken a wrong turn. At this stage I was 17 minutes up on him. At service it was noted my rear wheel bearings were shot, so in with the spare wheel, and into the second special. This launched us into a rock farm, which didn't really seem to have a track at all. Hard work, but made it through without crashing. Then I got lost. And not a little lost, a lot lost. 30 minutes lost. Finally found my way, but the top cars had made it though. Put my head down, and got my groove on, overtook eight bikes and a quad, when what should appear before me. Neil, engine stopped on the side of the track. He was hopelessly lost too. My little eyes lit up and my spirit soared. It was game on, moles. We rode together for the rest of the special, and having learned my lesson on Leg 2, I overtook with 10km to go, leaving us in 15th and 16th positions outright, having finished Day 3 with the 12th fastest time. On the long transport back, my bike developed a slight knocking/tapping noise. Hmm. I don't have the skills to diagnose that, and in the bivouac, the engine sounded okay. Not good.

Day 4, and transported 70 km in the thickest fog-like dust. More dangerous than the specials! The engine knock was back, and getting worse. It sounded terminal, but what are you going to do? I rip into the special, and the first fee kilometres are a flat out blast. I crest a rise in top at around 125kmh, the bike gets light, revs come up, and when it settles, there's a sound like coins in a blender and four seconds later it seizes. Skid to a halt, and my Safari had ended 15.3km into the first Special of Day 4. Fuck. Eleven hours of logistics and transport and I'm reunited with my team, to play the role of the support guy for the rest of the event. Disappointed, but not gutted, I had a bloody great three days.

I'd said at the start of this Safari that I'd be my last rally, but I'm already plotting what I'd do different for the next one! Ha.

Peace out, Dave (#47).
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on September 27, 2014, 06:19:24 pm
Nice! Must be super gutting to end your rally like that. But still better than straight to hospital. Hope my bike holds out!

Ian Blythe is putting in a great Dakar Challenge performance...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on September 28, 2014, 07:00:17 am
You have satellite trackers. We WILL find you, have no fear. Rather make sure your super-fly-red-hot exhaust pipe does not start a veld fire when you do a superman over the handlebars.

I'm busy testing the route and roadbook with this puppy. >:D



You call that a route? Looks like bossies in a vlakte.  :ricky:

You mean like this?  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scrat on September 28, 2014, 07:22:04 am
Nice!!!! :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on September 28, 2014, 08:54:13 am
Alex got something up his sleeve!!!    :deal: :pot:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: AntonW on September 28, 2014, 12:59:04 pm
Watch out for the middle mannetjie  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on September 29, 2014, 08:48:16 pm
For me the Amageza is not only about the actual event but all that leads up to it. The tinkering around on the  bike late into the night...the outrides whith friends building up to the Amageza...the lots of wine around a fire discussing the Amageza.....the visits to the gym...the meeting of new friends....the new zest for life -the list is endless. The Amageza may cost a bit but what one experiences is priceless.
Thanks to all who have helped put the Amageza together. I am indebted to you.  See you at the Amageza !!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on September 30, 2014, 01:01:19 pm
I hope you are bringing a smaller bike this year Kevin.

Will be good to see you there again. Just hope there is no midnight rides and searches for walking kids in this year's program.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on September 30, 2014, 05:50:50 pm
For me the Amageza is not only about the actual event but all that leads up to it. The tinkering around on the  bike late into the night...the outrides whith friends building up to the Amageza...the lots of wine around a fire discussing the Amageza.....the visits to the gym...the meeting of new friends....the new zest for life -the list is endless. The Amageza may cost a bit but what one experiences is priceless.
Thanks to all who have helped put the Amageza together. I am indebted to you.  See you at the Amageza !!!

Well said Kevin! :hello2: :hello2:

I´m now thinking about Amageza just about all the time....

To me the Amgeza is a Little bit like being in basic training in the army. You´re know you are afkakking big time, and even though you might not see anyone else for hours, you also know you´re not the only one suffering. There is a brotherhood that develops among the riders that can´t really be described. The snatch of a conversation about where we might be, or the quick stop to help another guy get his chain back on....or the shared glances with apprehension & tensión in the eyes just before the bikes pull away in the early hours of the morning....the banter and discussion over meals or roadbook marking.  This is what I love about rally racing.

That - and the point when you are too tired to carry on but have no choice and have to dig down doubly deep. Its bit like a runner´s high. Its a timeless zone where anything can happen, but also where I have experienced some of the best riding of my life.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 01, 2014, 10:02:31 am
Exactly one month, people, to Scrutineering Saturday!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on October 01, 2014, 02:22:58 pm
Did you guys see the latest email regarding number plates yet?

My bike is not roadworthied and I do not have a registration nr.

What now?

Here is the mail:

Hi everyone,

Provincial traffic as requested the registration numbers of all vehicles competing in the race before they will issue the event permit.

I need everyones vehicle registration numbers by close of business today.

Please send it to me in the message SUBJECT line, ie: Johnny Bravo CA12345.

If your name is not on the list, you cannot compete.

Their is absolutely no exceptions to the rule. They will cancel the event if all vehicles do not have a numberplate and that plate is on the entry list.

Guys, work with me. This is tough times with the goverment.

Thanks,

Alexander
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Ektoknbike on October 01, 2014, 02:35:52 pm
Did you guys see the latest email regarding number plates yet?

My bike is not roadworthied and I do not have a registration nr.

What now?

Here is the mail:

Hi everyone,

Provincial traffic as requested the registration numbers of all vehicles competing in the race before they will issue the event permit.

I need everyones vehicle registration numbers by close of business today.

Please send it to me in the message SUBJECT line, ie: Johnny Bravo CA12345.

If your name is not on the list, you cannot compete.

Their is absolutely no exceptions to the rule. They will cancel the event if all vehicles do not have a numberplate and that plate is on the entry list.

Guys, work with me. This is tough times with the goverment.

Thanks,

Alexander

Ek sal jou elke aand in tou vir 'n bier.  :pot:

As jy so lank vir my gaan wag.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 01, 2014, 02:38:05 pm
J3THRO, I'm not sure how this ties in with the previous arrangement where the unroadworthy bikes could compete but not go into the towns. Best to phone Alex.

Wonder how many others are in the same boat.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 01, 2014, 04:26:38 pm
Mod Edit: Sorry ou boet, names and places have been changed to protect the innocent involved We know what you are thinking - Bluebull2007  8)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 01, 2014, 04:31:17 pm
Guys, those in doubt, best you get hold of Alex personally. ..

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 01, 2014, 05:48:36 pm
Before I read all the posts again..... Do we still need a radio? We'll have the trackers, so I'm just checking if anything has been said about not needing one ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 01, 2014, 05:59:36 pm
The regs say we still need one - I guess the trackers aren't like the ones on the Dakar where you can talk to race control. I'm guessing they will fly over or get within range so they can talk to us if we're stationery for a while and they are worried something is wrong.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on October 01, 2014, 07:00:43 pm
You need a radio  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 01, 2014, 09:44:28 pm
Catch a ride at the opportunity zoo
right on time you came stumbling through
Itʼs a fight no one can win it for you
In the final days, if you change your ways
Always stop, look up, and remember
Choose your own adventure

http://www.youtube.com/v/azUPzNUGLsk

I can think of a million reasons not to undertake this little adventure, not least of all (for me at least), the fear of failure, but dammit, come dawn 3 November me and my trusty blue monkey and 70 odd other chaps will be lined up in Upington with a shot at glory. Sorry for waxing lyrical, but I'm getting amped, and Goldfish is not helping.   
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: J3THRO on October 01, 2014, 10:07:34 pm
Did you guys see the latest email regarding number plates yet?

My bike is not roadworthied and I do not have a registration nr.

What now?

Here is the mail:

Hi everyone,

Provincial traffic as requested the registration numbers of all vehicles competing in the race before they will issue the event permit.

I need everyones vehicle registration numbers by close of business today.

Please send it to me in the message SUBJECT line, ie: Johnny Bravo CA12345.

If your name is not on the list, you cannot compete.

Their is absolutely no exceptions to the rule. They will cancel the event if all vehicles do not have a numberplate and that plate is on the entry list.

Guys, work with me. This is tough times with the goverment.

Thanks,

Alexander

Ek sal jou elke aand in tou vir 'n bier.  :pot:

As jy so lank vir my gaan wag.


Dit klink na n deal.


Mybike is nie n fkn delivery bike nie. Hy is nie roadworthy nie want ek race met hom. As Alex my gaan stop agv dit sal hy my geldjies terug betaal want initial agreement het niks gese van roadworthy nie en actually gebrag oor Dakar spec FIM race. Dakar bikes ry nie in die dorp met nr plate en flickers nie.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 01, 2014, 11:46:58 pm
Eish ou boet. I understand the frustration but Alex is trying his best to tow the line here. After George Booker´s Namaqua screwup all eyes are on this one this year.

Lets not get our panties in a knot just yet ;D Pitch up and Im sure you will be okay. But read my PM as well. :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 02, 2014, 12:09:58 am
I have been familiarizing myself with the rules :eek:

This event is serious boys. Have you looked at the definitions? Here is an excerpt:

Allotted time - Each Road Section must be run in the allotted time which must be respected by all riders. Exceeding
this allotted time will result in a penalty..

Bivouac Zone - situated between the Time Controls at the finish of one Leg and the start of the next, where
all riders regroup; this zone is indicated in the road book.

Briefing - The briefing shall be held jointly by the Clerk of the Course and the organiser or his delegate. The
participation of the riders is compulsory. The text of the briefing concerning security shall in addition
be published on the official notice board.

Clerk of the Course - Responsible for all oncourse (Dis Alexander, die groot meneer, die colonel :deal: )
activities including demonstrations and parades. The supervision of
the track and all emergency services is at all times be under the ultimate control of the Clerk of the
Course.

Controller - A timing official at a CP.
CRO  - Control Room Officer. The person in command of the Race Control Office. (I fink that might be SteveD :patch: )

CP (Passage Control) - Check Point. A zone where the time card must be stamped by the marshals.

Duration of an Event - The Event will be deemed to have started once with the administrative control or technical
inspection have started, and to have ended when the final results have been announced.

DZ - The start of the speed control zone.

Estimated time - Time estimated by the Organiser to cover a Selective Section.

Fixed penalty (FP) - A time penalty which will be added to penalties already incurred by riders in specific cases and
specified in the Supplementary Regulations.

FZ - The end of a speed control zone.

GPS - “Global Positioning System” is a system using satellites to localise precisely longitude, latitude and
altitude at any point on earth.

Journal - Information book with irremovable numbered pages, with the precise time and date of the
annotations.

Liaison Section  - An untimed section of the Amageza rally route. For safety and security reasons, it is not always
possible to begin and end the SS at the bivouac sites. In this case, race vehicles must proceed
from the bivouac site to the SS start point, complete the SS, then proceed from the SS end point to
the next bivouac. The sections before and after the SS are referred to as liaison sections.

Marathon Stage - A stage where no assistance vehicles will be allowed. No trunks or tyres will be transported.
Sleeping and meal arrangements will be provided by the organization.

Maximum time allowed - Additional time to the allotted time made in each Road Section and maximum time given for each
Selective Section, which, if passed, will result in the application of a fixed penalty. At this moment,
the control is considered closed for the rider in question.

Neutralisation - Time during which the riders are stopped by the Clerk of the Course (Parc Fermé conditions). This
time is the same for all participants.

Official itinerary - This is represented by the passage through each point featured in the road book (WPV, WPM, WPE,
DZ, FZ, CP) to be followed compulsorily on pain of penalties.

Overall - classification Overall classification of all categories together.

Parc Fermé - Zone in which no preparation or interventions are possible, with the exception of cases expressly
mentioned in the Supplementary Regulations of the event.

Rally HQ - Rally headquarters. Central point for coordinating and managing the rallye.

Real time - The time actually spent in a Selective Section



So you can start to make sentences in Amageza Language. Example:

Bluebull2007, "Hey dude, Have you confirmed the alloted time tomorrow between the Bivouac and the DSS with the CRO over at the PC?"

MaxThePanda, "Its like..so rad hey (he is from Cape town); ja, I tuned the CRO, but he said nooit.. the Clerk of the Course told him that he can only say when he has seen the Journal which is still over at the Park Ferme, and depending on the DZ specifications, the FP could be huge, and the Máximum Time will only be determined when the MSA once the chief scrutineer, the club Steward and the Environmental steward arrive in the next ASS."

Bluebull2007 "In the ass?" :o

MaxThePanda "Nooit bru the FP in the A-S-S not the ass! The ass is that guy with that roosted us this morning..... Wait- Have you been smoking that weed again? :patch:  :lol8: "
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 02, 2014, 10:36:19 am
I have been familiarizing myself with the rules :eek:

This event is serious boys. Have you looked at the definitions? Here is an excerpt:

Allotted time - Each Road Section must be run in the allotted time which must be respected by all riders. Exceeding
this allotted time will result in a penalty..

Bivouac Zone - situated between the Time Controls at the finish of one Leg and the start of the next, where
all riders regroup; this zone is indicated in the road book.

Briefing - The briefing shall be held jointly by the Clerk of the Course and the organiser or his delegate. The
participation of the riders is compulsory. The text of the briefing concerning security shall in addition
be published on the official notice board.

Clerk of the Course - Responsible for all oncourse (Dis Alexander, die groot meneer, die colonel :deal: )
activities including demonstrations and parades. The supervision of
the track and all emergency services is at all times be under the ultimate control of the Clerk of the
Course.

Controller - A timing official at a CP.
CRO  - Control Room Officer. The person in command of the Race Control Office. (I fink that might be SteveD :patch: )

CP (Passage Control) - Check Point. A zone where the time card must be stamped by the marshals.

Duration of an Event - The Event will be deemed to have started once with the administrative control or technical
inspection have started, and to have ended when the final results have been announced.

DZ - The start of the speed control zone.

Estimated time - Time estimated by the Organiser to cover a Selective Section.

Fixed penalty (FP) - A time penalty which will be added to penalties already incurred by riders in specific cases and
specified in the Supplementary Regulations.

FZ - The end of a speed control zone.

GPS - “Global Positioning System” is a system using satellites to localise precisely longitude, latitude and
altitude at any point on earth.

Journal - Information book with irremovable numbered pages, with the precise time and date of the
annotations.

Liaison Section  - An untimed section of the Amageza rally route. For safety and security reasons, it is not always
possible to begin and end the SS at the bivouac sites. In this case, race vehicles must proceed
from the bivouac site to the SS start point, complete the SS, then proceed from the SS end point to
the next bivouac. The sections before and after the SS are referred to as liaison sections.

Marathon Stage - A stage where no assistance vehicles will be allowed. No trunks or tyres will be transported.
Sleeping and meal arrangements will be provided by the organization.

Maximum time allowed - Additional time to the allotted time made in each Road Section and maximum time given for each
Selective Section, which, if passed, will result in the application of a fixed penalty. At this moment,
the control is considered closed for the rider in question.

Neutralisation - Time during which the riders are stopped by the Clerk of the Course (Parc Fermé conditions). This
time is the same for all participants.

Official itinerary - This is represented by the passage through each point featured in the road book (WPV, WPM, WPE,
DZ, FZ, CP) to be followed compulsorily on pain of penalties.

Overall - classification Overall classification of all categories together.

Parc Fermé - Zone in which no preparation or interventions are possible, with the exception of cases expressly
mentioned in the Supplementary Regulations of the event.

Rally HQ - Rally headquarters. Central point for coordinating and managing the rallye.

Real time - The time actually spent in a Selective Section



So you can start to make sentences in Amageza Language. Example:

Bluebull2007, "Hey dude, Have you confirmed the alloted time tomorrow between the Bivouac and the DSS with the CRO over at the PC?"

MaxThePanda, "Its like..so rad hey (he is from Cape town); ja, I tuned the CRO, but he said nooit.. the Clerk of the Course told him that he can only say when he has seen the Journal which is still over at the Park Ferme, and depending on the DZ specifications, the FP could be huge, and the Máximum Time will only be determined when the MSA once the chief scrutineer, the club Steward and the Environmental steward arrive in the next ASS."

Bluebull2007 "In the ass?" :o

MaxThePanda "Nooit bru the FP in the A-S-S not the ass! The ass is that guy with that roosted us this morning..... Wait- Have you been smoking that weed again? :patch:  :lol8: "

think Ill just follow the crowd and the tracks and hope the fuel land bike lasts :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 02, 2014, 12:48:34 pm
Risky game that!

Often there are too many track and some times none at all, best advise I can give you is to focus on the navigation
https://www.youtube.com/v/2mFIAIoSYek
https://www.youtube.com/v/AVKz0JDrj4A
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 02, 2014, 04:40:11 pm
Watched the first video - I dunno whether to laugh or cry

The thought of dragging my KLR through that lot makes me wanna vomit !!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 02, 2014, 09:49:14 pm
If I remember correctly, I actually did.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: JamesKTM on October 03, 2014, 09:41:14 am
Thanks Mark for your effort in putting that road book together.
Have done it twice now.Really learned a lot .


James
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BLK on October 03, 2014, 10:45:17 am
Risky game that!

Often there are too many track and some times none at all, best advise I can give you is to focus on the navigation
https://www.youtube.com/v/2mFIAIoSYek
https://www.youtube.com/v/AVKz0JDrj4A

Great video,thks for sharing the experience.No wonder I have retired/tired.
 :)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 03, 2014, 10:46:10 am
N[]va, thanks for the repost. i watched them again (actually still watching the rest again) on full HD.

I forgot how hard it was - exhausting stuff with big rocks and changing conditions.

What was the cause of the electrical failure in the end ... was it the big crash or something else?

Was lookingn at your back end with that bag and full fuel tank...must have been damn hard to control that bike!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 03, 2014, 11:20:09 am
N[]va, thanks for the repost. i watched them again (actually still watching the rest again) on full HD.

I forgot how hard it was - exhausting stuff with big rocks and changing conditions.

What was the cause of the electrical failure in the end ... was it the big crash or something else?

Was lookingn at your back end with that bag and full fuel tank...must have been damn hard to control that bike!
So the bike was very easy to control the second day after I realized that the suspension was still set to stock (motard)

Was a kak idea having the vagabond the back, spent 40 minutes just getting the bag out of the back wheel a few times.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 03, 2014, 01:56:55 pm
That must have been kak :imaposer:

>Its just what you don´t need to happen with all the stuff you bring along in case your bike has an issue.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on October 03, 2014, 04:57:07 pm
Thanks Mark for your effort in putting that road book together.
Have done it twice now.Really learned a lot .


James

 :thumleft: :)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 06, 2014, 08:25:13 am
Does anyone have any idea of what the prologue entails?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 06, 2014, 08:34:30 am
Does anyone have any idea of what the prologue entails?

Don't you like surprises oom?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 06, 2014, 08:49:17 am
Depends ..................

If a big darkie with a gap in his teeth jumps out the cupboard with an LMG in his hand, when I'm wandering off to bed - the answer would be NO.

If it were a darkie with a gap in her teeth with a whip in her hand - the answer would be MAYBE.

No gap and no whip - then the answer would be YES. 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Freddy Fudpucker on October 06, 2014, 11:34:46 am
Right guys..........I started riding motorcycles when Joel Robert was still in junior motocross, and the correct riding apparel was leather pants and a rugby jersey. Now it seems we have to wear a neckbrace type thing. How are you supposed to wear this thing with a chest protector? I spent the weekend which goes on first and am non the wiser. If someone out there would be so kind as to point out the 'firing order' for getting dressed ie, riding shirt, then neckbrace then chest-protector( that doesn't work cause I can't get the protector over the neck-brace). Do I need to cut the chest protector? Do I need to ..................please help  ??? ???
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 06, 2014, 12:14:01 pm
Brace under the protector against the skin at the back - or try to, at least
front portion on top of the protector

So, protector on first, followed by brace (without breaking your arms or neck)

Use your camelback straps to hold the brace down against your shoulders/protector

Set the brace to the biggest size possible

To be honest, I still fight with this and I've had both for years - different protectors are better than others in this regard - AND you've seen how skinny I am - it should be easy!!!!

If you get all this right then try it with a jacket - I can't get past this point yet - that is, without the brace hitching up. So when I wear a jacket, I skip the brace. If it doesn't fit properly then it's a waste of time.

Good luck  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: tour on October 06, 2014, 08:25:56 pm
uuhhmm who is joel Robert????

shit looks like I am one of the young ones..... >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Gavin on October 07, 2014, 08:48:44 am
I have landed up going out and buying all new kit , hurts the pocket a bit but wow ! its all so much more comfortable . The Leatt stuff is what I got upper body protection with neck brace & went the whole hog & got knee braces too
Thinks have come a long way since the leather pants & rugby jersey 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Buff on October 07, 2014, 09:42:16 am
Watched most of N[]va vids this morning after a bout of insomnia. Gees dude, I thought I fall a lot but you Sir take the cake  :o   :imaposer:
Besides rider fatigue, you must have been shattered from picking that bike up so many times. 
I'm no pro but one of the first things I thought while watching you bounce off those rock was that your suspension was way too hard. The bike was bouncing rather than rolling.

Cool vids though, gives one a great idea of what to expect out there... it's a lot like our Offroads but without course markings  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 07, 2014, 10:06:15 am
Suspension was set to motard, was painful
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: wayneh on October 07, 2014, 10:44:15 pm
Does anyone have any idea of what the prologue entails?

Hey Cracker  ;D
As you know, many of the big enduro events... Romaniacs or The Roof... have a short timed track which is run the day before the main event starts whereby the organisers base the Day 1 starting order.
The times don't go towards the rallye competitor time... Just the stating order.
And it's also a great opportunity for the public to checkout the awesome bikes/quads/side-by-sides in action... And their super hero pilots... Before the event starts.
Should be lots of fun.  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 08, 2014, 08:02:51 am
Um, ja, sounds like an opfok to me - that is, if Alex has been following Romaniacs -  :o :o

 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 08, 2014, 09:57:27 am
I think to over-do a prologue with a rallye bike is a real good way to break an arm .  I'm going to take it really easy.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 08, 2014, 10:22:57 am
I think to over-do a prologue with a rallye bike is a real good way to break an arm .  I'm going to take it really easy.
Good man ;)

When that first start line is there it's not the easiest of things to not get carried away but in the end if you can stay calm it will benefit you hugely
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 08, 2014, 03:10:00 pm
I think to over-do a prologue with a rallye bike is a real good way to break an arm .  I'm going to take it really easy.

More likely break a bike - this has happened often at the Roof ... bikes not geared for flat out hooligan shyte and also you can really cook mousses depending on circuit ... but when the flag drops and adrenalin flows often common sense drops as well  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 08, 2014, 04:37:10 pm
Jeez - I just got back from Sea to Ski..... and I think it was amazing training for Amageza (I was starting to stress I wasn't getting any bike time in)
440 KM of enduro bike riding in 3 days, Camping (Like I will on Amageza) and getting in the good habits nutrition wise and caring for yourself and the bike. All in all... my ass got some serious saddle time and my hands and arms and now much better prepared.
I also managed to ride just about every type of bike - helping other riders up tricky sections... YZ 450's, free rides, 300's, 250's recluse clutches....... dudes were only too keen for someone to ride there bike forward haha.
I can recommend it to anyone even though it's not rally riding... the navigation helps a tonne at learning to look up and down at the right times.
It's the multi-day training that is the business.... I know Kobus said this before too  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on October 09, 2014, 12:12:10 am
Definitely on my list of things to do next year.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 09, 2014, 07:55:12 am
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: G A Booker on October 09, 2014, 08:30:18 am
Mod Deleted - George Booker - You have brought rally in RSA into disrepute, and have no right to post here - what a cheeck.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 09, 2014, 08:47:01 am
.

George, is that you?

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=130516.msg2694484#msg2694484 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=130516.msg2694484#msg2694484)

Maybe that has something to do with the issues the Amageza organizers are experiencing at the moment?

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Motties on October 09, 2014, 08:50:14 am
WTF Booker, are you for real????!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 09, 2014, 08:53:27 am
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...

For my part I very much doubt there will be competitors walking around the bivouac at the end of each stage complaining the course was cut short and they wanted more of a challenge. Just saying...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on October 09, 2014, 08:55:33 am
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...

For my part I very much doubt there will be competitors walking around the bivouac at the end of each stage complaining the course was cut short and they wanted more of a challenge. Just saying...

Yeah for sure. And if it REALLY bugs you, go have a look at day 4  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: WDT on October 09, 2014, 09:04:18 am
Booker, ek is nou stom geslaan!
Betaal eerder die geld wat jy vir die Lions skuld en hou jou neus uit die Amageza

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 09, 2014, 09:08:03 am
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Listen you stupid twat, go fucking answer for the mess you made and people you stuffed over before causing shit here
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 09, 2014, 09:27:24 am
Is that a rat I smell ... or a troll ... or the actual drol?  8)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on October 09, 2014, 09:29:26 am
Listen you stupid twat, go fucking answer for the mess you made and people you stuffed over before causing shit here
[/quote]

Say it like you mean it. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Stef on October 09, 2014, 09:35:39 am
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Hey, Booker WTF??!
Rumor going around that you pissed off a load of good people.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 09, 2014, 01:26:37 pm
Nou het ek alles gehoor.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 09, 2014, 02:02:36 pm
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Listen you stupid twat, go fucking answer for the mess you made and people you stuffed over before causing shit here
:laughing4: :thumleft:
WTF! almost fell off my chair... dead man talking. or is that seen as a thread!?  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 09, 2014, 02:08:13 pm
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...

For my part I very much doubt there will be competitors walking around the bivouac at the end of each stage complaining the course was cut short and they wanted more of a challenge. Just saying...

Yeah for sure. And if it REALLY bugs you, go have a look at day 4  :deal:

I've missed all this info - can someone tell me or do I have to ask Alex  :peepwall: :peepwall:

Just to have him tell me (yet again) that it's in the rules, I must look it up  ......................  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on October 09, 2014, 02:17:03 pm
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...
Be careful what you wish for...a 40km ride in De Wildt is more hectic than my 2000km ride last weekend. Bumped into Alex at Ashkam and am a bit relieved it's only 288km. Then again, I'm old and slow and often get lost. :)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on October 09, 2014, 02:24:14 pm
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...

For my part I very much doubt there will be competitors walking around the bivouac at the end of each stage complaining the course was cut short and they wanted more of a challenge. Just saying...

Yeah for sure. And if it REALLY bugs you, go have a look at day 4  :deal:

I've missed all this info - can someone tell me or do I have to ask Alex  :peepwall: :peepwall:

Can't remember where I saw it but I remember stage 4 being a long one. Springbok to Sutherland is 500kms by tar  :eek7:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 09, 2014, 04:04:04 pm
I don't understand stage 1 = 288km. where is the 500km? not that I am complaining...
Be careful what you wish for...a 40km ride in De Wildt is more hectic than my 2000km ride last weekend. Bumped into Alex at Ashkam and am a bit relieved it's only 288km. Then again, I'm old and slow and often get lost. :)

God, yes. I'm prepared to sit on anyone complaining it's going to be too easy... from the warm, comfortable sofa or whatever.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 09, 2014, 05:39:47 pm
Last year, day 2 Southerland to Springbok was 760km's. I'd guess a bit over a 100 of it was tar.

I hit the wall at the end of the 3rd day.

Apart from the uber fit and proper rally boys, I expect day 5 & 6 to be a few pints of vasbyt and a 6 pack of moer strip.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on October 09, 2014, 06:07:02 pm
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This guy has skin thicker than a rhino's arse

Can't believe G A Booker is actually coming back here and commenting on Amageza 5 when Namaqua 1 was such a cock up
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 09, 2014, 09:20:08 pm
Last year, day 2 Southerland to Springbok was 760km's. I'd guess a bit over a 100 of it was tar.

I hit the wall at the end of the 3rd day.

Apart from the uber fit and proper rally boys, I expect day 5 & 6 to be a few pints of vasbyt and a 6 pack of moer strip.

Methinks you and I, AND a few others, will be paddling the same boat ............  ::)

To be honest though, if there's no vasbyt, there's no challenge.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SandiDakar on October 09, 2014, 09:28:15 pm
Can anyone help me - here's the list ;D:

I am battling to register my 2015 KTM450XCW as it is on Natis as an offroad

I missed my learners license exam today due to a delay on the highway - where can I go book pronto in Gauteng or areas nearby?

I am travelling up alone with my vehicle and trailer -I need someone to drive my vehicle while I am riding ?????

Yes I am blonde so I am battling to take this all in :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 09, 2014, 09:54:46 pm
Can anyone help me - here's the list ;D:

I am battling to register my 2015 KTM450XCW as it is on Natis as an offroad

I missed my learners license exam today due to a delay on the highway - where can I go book pronto in Gauteng or areas nearby?

I am travelling up alone with my vehicle and trailer -I need someone to drive my vehicle while I am riding ?????

Yes I am blonde so I am battling to take this all in :o

I can't recommend one for the bike, you need a crooked roadworthy man - it can be done - keep asking around.

Krugersdorp can probably sort your license - no corruption but they're efficient.

I may have a driver for you but it's a very long shot ..................... PM me with what you need and I'll have a word with him ................
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SandiDakar on October 09, 2014, 10:02:24 pm
Thanks Cracker...PM you now :-)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 09, 2014, 10:07:11 pm
Can anyone help me - here's the list ;D:

I am battling to register my 2015 KTM450XCW as it is on Natis as an offroad

I missed my learners license exam today due to a delay on the highway - where can I go book pronto in Gauteng or areas nearby?

I am travelling up alone with my vehicle and trailer -I need someone to drive my vehicle while I am riding ?????

Yes I am blonde so I am battling to take this all in :o
I know someone
can find out if they can assist.

I think there are still some lifts available, then you do not need to use your vehicle.
Just ask here on the forum.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SandiDakar on October 09, 2014, 10:12:54 pm
Hmmm thanks Rolling Stone...

That would be a great advantage would appreciate their contact details :-)

Now just to find someone to do my learners :-)



So does anyone going to Amageza have space for another rider+bike+kit+++++ :-)

Happy to chip in :-)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on October 09, 2014, 10:14:19 pm
I can help you with the roadworthy.. Got mine done without much hassle or nefarious dealings.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SandiDakar on October 09, 2014, 10:18:39 pm
Do tell :-) please PM me - then it's a secret

Bike few months new with just a manufacturers certificate.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: clutch on October 10, 2014, 08:53:31 am
My 450 I took to a roadworthy centre, got roadworthy certificate, took to the traffic office and licensed. do not get what the hassle is?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 10, 2014, 08:59:47 am
My 450 I took to a roadworthy centre, got roadworthy certificate, took to the traffic office and licensed. do not get what the hassle is?

Some bikes are registered on E-Natis as "offroad", and then the above does not help when all the paperwork reaches the persons sitting at the counter at the traffic department.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: clutch on October 10, 2014, 10:28:37 am
450 was registered as off road, gave roadwothy certificate and requested to be re-registered as road legal. No problem. Their is also a 21 day permit that can be purchased if the vechile has all the road worthy items but not yet road worthy registered. I did it with a trailer some years 10 years back to take to a police stastion to get clearance. Do not no if this "permit "still exist, but as a last resort I will recommend to get such permit.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 10, 2014, 10:50:28 am
450 was registered as off road, gave roadwothy certificate and requested to be re-registered as road legal. No problem.

Fantastic, did not realise it was that simple.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Freddy Fudpucker on October 10, 2014, 11:21:15 am
Maybe this question is answered in the regs but I have yet to get there, do we need an enviro-mat thingy or are we allowed to drain our oil on the local rugby field? Seriously, what do we do with spent fluids? (oil, blood etc). Is there provision made or do we need to take an empty container for this purpose
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 10, 2014, 11:26:44 am
Hi SandiDakar - And welcome to the forum!! Huge respect to you for entering this Rally! :ricky:

Looking forward to meeting you in a few weeks.



Maybe this question is answered in the regs but I have yet to get there, do we need an enviro-mat thingy or are we allowed to drain our oil on the local rugby field? Seriously, what do we do with spent fluids? (oil, blood etc). Is there provision made or do we need to take an empty container for this purpose

This is good question. As a malle moto guy, I´m not sure if I have to bring a mat because i dont believe it is going to fit in my trunk. I will be taking a bottle to colllect and dispose of oil in a responsible way.

Cheers

Neil
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 10, 2014, 11:46:54 am
General mod note for this part of the forum:

Please think about what you want to say it before posting here. A lot of visitors are reading this thread including people in public office, and we all want the rally to go well.

Bear in mind that the riders and in particular the Amageza Organization have been extremely hard at work to ensure that every rider complies to MSA and legal requirements.

We do not want to inadvertently tarnish the reputation of the Amageza organisation, or put the event at risk :deal:



:thumleft:
Thanks
Bluebull :paw:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on October 10, 2014, 12:39:22 pm
Maybe this question is answered in the regs but I have yet to get there, do we need an enviro-mat thingy or are we allowed to drain our oil on the local rugby field? Seriously, what do we do with spent fluids? (oil, blood etc). Is there provision made or do we need to take an empty container for this purpose

Last year we were all malle motos, and had to have enviro mats, so do not see that being different this year.  Find old piece of carpet and cut to size of you trammel and then fits in perfectly at the bottom.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on October 10, 2014, 01:24:27 pm
And what about the spent fluids? Anyone know if there will be somewhere to dispose of them at the bivouacs?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 10, 2014, 01:26:18 pm
The official MSA enviro mat folds away to less than A4 size.  Its essentially a piece of plastic coated canvass.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 10, 2014, 01:34:24 pm
Will a tarpaulin work okay?

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 10, 2014, 02:09:02 pm
Guys, looking urgently for rear Michelin Desert mousses. Can anyone help?

I tried Pete, Renz and a number of others...none in stock. :(

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Takashi on October 10, 2014, 02:14:46 pm
Guys, looking urgently for rear Michelin Desert mousses. Can anyone help?

I tried Pete, Renz and a number of others...none in stock. :(



Conrad @ Offroad Cycles??? Remember to ask for discount before asking for stock :pot:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 10, 2014, 02:28:45 pm
Hehe, thanks, I phoned Conrad´s shop - They dont have :(
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 10, 2014, 02:31:48 pm
Will a tarpaulin work okay?



An enviro mat is supposed to absorb spills without leaking any onto the ground below - if the tarp does that, then fine  :thumleft:

for those using trommels, I would suggest you find a small piece of carpet or use the official MSA one - it is extremely light, well worth buying if you're in malle moto - I think it's R100 only, direct from MSA.  

I cant remember what the rules say but it's worth checking to see if you need a 2kg fire extinguisher as well. If MSA scrutineers us then the enviro mat, extinguisher, first aid kit, med board, and bike safety features will have to be spot-on.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on October 10, 2014, 03:08:28 pm
Here it is from the SSR 345

c) All Service Crews must carry a fire extinguisher suitable for liquid fuels per competitor or team to be serviced with a minimum capacity of 2,5kgs or equivalent fire stryker, to be located next to the vehicle being refueled or next to the refueling rig.
d) The use of an environmental mat, which must be a minimum size of ½m X ½m which may not allow fuel to seep through, is mandatory and the vehicle must be on the environmental mat when refuelling and servicing is effected and not next to it. At “non accessible” refuel points, the organisers are to supply adequate mats

Medical boards - we just take a piece of PVC or canvas , make a cardboard template spray green ok on one side & red cross on the other side fold it up store anywhere in your kit. If injured you put up red cross or ok even if you leave you bike if broken down.

Enviro matt is supposed to hold 1L of oil/fuel ( i think) - i just use a piece of old bakkie tarpaulin or similar, it is usefull if you doing a repair you dont loose stuff in the dirt.

c) All Riders must carry, at all times whilst racing, a First Aid Kit as detailed below:
1 x Medical Board
1 x Space Blanket
1 x Triangular Bandage
1 x 50mm x 70mm First Aid dressing pad
1 x 50mm x 200mm x 2,5mm First Aid dressing pad
1 x 8cm Stretch bandage
4 x Band-Aid type strips
4 x Neat seal type plasters (2 x large, 2 x small)
1 x Piece cotton wool
4 x Pain Killers
1 x Tube of burn ointment
Surgical gloves
CPR device recommended
Each competitor will be issued with a helmet medical information sticker which must be completed and attached to the riders helmet

Make it easy for yourself and get sorted beforehand  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 10, 2014, 03:21:17 pm
Med Board - If anybody is making up or has one to lend me, I would appreciated you getting one for me or lending it.

If you are getting one I will re-imburse you when we meet.

Please PM me to confirm that you will do this as I don't want to have to arrive in Uppington and have to pay for 80 boards.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: africanSky on October 10, 2014, 03:26:34 pm
Enduro world magazine sells the boards for R30
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Offroad2 on October 10, 2014, 05:58:45 pm
Medical board - take A4 draw in bold OK (green) other side RED cross  laminate it - make yourself 3 copies - off you go - if yo can do it in A3 even better  no fuss  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 10, 2014, 09:57:33 pm
Another MSA? requirement - you cannot sit on your bike while refuelling ................................

And for those on BMWs - standing/meerkatting while refuelling is also not allowed - unless you can prove your COG is lower and you did not use your rear brake to stop, of course.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 10, 2014, 10:27:23 pm
Medical board - take A4 draw in bold OK (green) other side RED cross  laminate it - make yourself 3 copies - off you go - if yo can do it in A3 even better  no fuss  :thumleft:

Ah, simple.

Here I was thinking that it was a unique type thing.

Cheers

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on October 11, 2014, 05:30:32 am
Guys, looking urgently for rear Michelin Desert mousses. Can anyone help?

I tried Pete, Renz and a number of others...none in stock. :(



Have you tried JustBikeTyre in Centurion?  Speak to Nomore, he is very helpful.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 11, 2014, 12:21:34 pm
Well, it's back from the sticker man at Racestar Graphics and ready to go. He's done a pretty good job and I'll be using him again, after the rally, when I'll need the team logo removed. AND I'll get a kit from him for my 450, which is looking a bit battered. If you ever need a sticker kit for your off-road bike I'd recommend Richard.

The navigation training went well and all the bits performed as they should and nothing fell off or broke. I have discovered that as my eyes are getting older, reading the small print on the Etrex GPS is nearly impossible, like the waypoint numbers and scale. I can't wear my reading glasses coz then I can't see far.

Jeez, it's kak getting old .................. still beats death, though  :thumleft:

Everything I need is in a good position except the ICO, I currently have it above my bars but it would definitely be better where the Rally boys normally have it, above the RB. I'll see how practical it is to move it - it doubles as a speedo when not in Rally mode.

I can see everything fine when sitting and coz of a dodgy knee, I can't stand for long - so I keep the standing for when I really need to. Lots of sitting is not good for your arse though, even on a KLR seat, so those marathon sessions are gonna be tough. 

All I  need to do is fit a spotlight, new tyres, tubes and tyreshield - And I'll get the wheels balanced, there's a definite bounce on the front at about 50/60 kph.

I fitted sponge pro-grips but don't know if I like them, they're a bit soft. I'm so used to the rubber MX ones and blisters/arm pump are problems that disappeared many years ago - maybe I'll change them after a day or two.

BTW, I bought some JT enduro gloves - they feel as comfy as any others but most importantly, they don't bunch up on your palm - this is a big plus for those who might get blisters.

I'm not doing any more training before the Amageza, I'm trying to fix a neck injury that's been getting steadily worse and that ride of Mark's hurt me a lot. So now I'll concentrate on eating right and try cut down on the hangovers ......................  :peepwall:

3 weeks to go - it's coming up fast  :o :o :o

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Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: wayneh on October 11, 2014, 01:52:02 pm
 :drif:  Very,very niiice, Cracker.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 11, 2014, 03:04:22 pm
My 450 'Naked' is now mostly complete and needs a good shake down ride.
This is a very light build, want to be able to get bike back to Enduro mode with net too much hassle.
Should take an hour to remove rally equipment and rear tank.
 There are some things that need some attention
Little Alu screen is dangerous and will be replaced with something from a softer plastic.
Fuel range is not enough, considering extra 2 liters in giant loop or bladder for the longer stages.
No ICO, will be counting on the GPS and computer. You can adjust this model from a switch on handle bars similar to ICO. Not as user friendly though.
Will also make use of the smaller Garmin forerunner for distances, should work well between points on road book and to get breadcrumb trail back to where you zeroed previously.
Still need to fit some spotlights, hope that two 1000 lumen units will be enough.

Routing of front brake hose is still a bit of an issue, I am concerned that it might snag on the roadbook holder.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 11, 2014, 03:08:07 pm
My 450 'Naked' is now mostly complete and needs a good shake down ride.
This is a very light build, want to be able to get bike back to Enduro mode with net too much hassle.
Should take an hour to remove rally equipment and rear tank.
 There are some things that need some attention
Little Alu screen is dangerous and will be replaced with something from a softer plastic.
Fuel range is not enough, considering extra 2 liters in giant loop or bladder for the longer stages.
No ICO, will be counting on the GPS and computer. You can adjust this model from a switch on handle bars similar to ICO. Not as user friendly though.
Will also make use of the smaller Garmin forerunner for distances, should work well between points on road book and to get breadcrumb trail back to where you zeroed previously.
Still need to fit some spotlights, hope that two 1000 lumen units will be enough.

Routing of front brake hose is still a bit of an issue, I am concerned that it might snag on the roadbook holder.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: KND on October 11, 2014, 03:15:23 pm
Hi Guys.
Looks good.
Lightweight is the way to go.
I will not bother with a screen at all. The road book can be the screen.
The saddle bags at the back? Not sure what you are thinking of storing in these unless you carry tubes etc

The less you carry, the better. If you can't repair the bike with basic stuff such as wire, putty, spare levers, don't try to carry all the spares to rebuild an engine. Focus instead on your survival kit such as a very good medical kit, very good space blanket in case you need to spend the night. etc.

The lighter you travel, the better you will perform and your bike swell.
Good luck with the prep work.
Kobus
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 11, 2014, 03:21:03 pm
Hi Guys.
Looks good.
Lightweight is the way to go.
I will not bother with a screen at all. The road book can be the screen.
The saddle bags at the back? Not sure what you are thinking of storing in these unless you carry tubes etc

The less you carry, the better. If you can't repair the bike with basic stuff such as wire, putty, spare levers, don't try to carry all the spares to rebuild an engine. Focus instead on your survival kit such as a very good medical kit, very good space blanket in case you need to spend the night. etc.

The lighter you travel, the better you will perform and your bike swell.
Good luck with the prep work.
Kobus
Saddle  bags are for extra fuel and water as well as tubes, tools etc.
Keeps the weight low and I do not know that they are there. This is the smaller Giant loop, not very big.
I do not like a hip belt or something big on the tail. Also less strain on rear subframe.
had the rear and front suspension also beefed up a bit
Must still sort out settings.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 11, 2014, 03:35:19 pm
Some good advice there Kobus! :thumleft:


Just a reminder to be careful out there guys. Here is Juan Pedrero blasting through a double caution on the Rally Maroc this week.
https://www.youtube.com/v/md62o2uC6no
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 11, 2014, 04:09:14 pm
Hi Guys.
Looks good.
Lightweight is the way to go.
I will not bother with a screen at all. The road book can be the screen.
The saddle bags at the back? Not sure what you are thinking of storing in these unless you carry tubes etc

The less you carry, the better. If you can't repair the bike with basic stuff such as wire, putty, spare levers, don't try to carry all the spares to rebuild an engine. Focus instead on your survival kit such as a very good medical kit, very good space blanket in case you need to spend the night. etc.

The lighter you travel, the better you will perform and your bike swell.
Good luck with the prep work.
Kobus
Saddle  bags are for extra fuel and water as well as tubes, tools etc.
Keeps the weight low and I do not know that they are there. This is the smaller Giant loop, not very big.
I do not like a hip belt or something big on the tail. Also less strain on rear subframe.
had the rear and front suspension also beefed up a bit
Must still sort out settings.

I like the idea of the GL Mojave - really is a small and compact unit that can take your tools off your back, extra water etc and weight is low and close. Check on the fuel in bottle/bladder thing - if I recall correctly it all has to be hard attached? I agree loose the screen - is a testicle guillotine!  ::)  Great light build  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 11, 2014, 04:12:27 pm
Well, it's back from the sticker man at Racestar Graphics and ready to go. He's done a pretty good job and I'll be using him again, after the rally, when I'll need the team logo removed. AND I'll get a kit from him for my 450, which is looking a bit battered. If you ever need a sticker kit for your off-road bike I'd recommend Richard.

Race Star rock  :thumleft: I have used them a couple of times for my sons enduro bike and great guys to work with … they race themselves and know the story.

Cracker regarding your eyes definitely look at getting vary-focal specs … I have had same issue and they transformed my life - take a little adaptation but then are THE answer… can see the detail down in front of you and distance also perfect.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 11, 2014, 06:53:24 pm
Vary-focal, heh? I'll follow that one up - although my sight is getting bad I'm still new to glasses, thanks.

rolling stone - route your brake hose behind your light and let it come out of the fairing in that sort of gap you've got behind the light. a couple cable ties will keep it in place so it doesn't snag the wiring, etc.

That way, it will bend towards the hand-guard - side-ways instead of up. It can then be put back to normal after the Amageza. I've had mine like that for a while, it works well and cannot snag on anything. I can send a pic if you don't quite follow what I mean.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 11, 2014, 07:31:18 pm
Well, it's back from the sticker man at Racestar Graphics and ready to go. He's done a pretty good job and I'll be using him again, after the rally, when I'll need the team logo removed. AND I'll get a kit from him for my 450, which is looking a bit battered. If you ever need a sticker kit for your off-road bike I'd recommend Richard.

Race Star rock  :thumleft: I have used them a couple of times for my sons enduro bike and great guys to work with … they race themselves and know the story.

Cracker regarding your eyes definitely look at getting vary-focal specs … I have had same issue and they transformed my life - take a little adaptation but then are THE answer… can see the detail down in front of you and distance also perfect.
I find that I get headaches due to the glare off the sand road, cockpit etc if I ride all day.
can not ride with dark glasses so went out and found an Amber tinted lens today.
Was. Wondering. If it is going to make it. Very difficult to ride at night
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 11, 2014, 07:54:02 pm
I suffer from the same problem - my glasses have both a photochromic coating that goes darker in sunlight and an anti-glare coating  … and I still use a tinted visor. Yes is difficult at night but seldom actually ride at night and if need be ride with it open. For Amageza I was told no visors though!? Only goggles - so could have a tinted pair and a clear pair for possible early morning or night use?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 11, 2014, 09:40:28 pm
Dom is right. I´m carrying two sets of goggles plus spare lenses: one clear and one tinted.

Neil :paw:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 12, 2014, 01:24:30 pm
Dom is right. I´m carrying two sets of goggles plus spare lenses: one clear and one tinted.

Neil :paw:
Good idea, will follow this plan
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 12, 2014, 03:06:54 pm
Anyone have specific ideas about suspension setup.
Front and rear springs are upgraded.
How should I set this baby up now?
Front felt fine on last rides, rear spring upgraded to 110 kg,s
I weigh 90 without all the kit and loop with spares water etc

WIll take any advice here will have one training ride to do finer adjustments
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 12, 2014, 06:22:48 pm
RS, suspension is very much a personal thing. I rode Jonah Street´s 690 bike a couple of times and I can tell you that the suspension setup was horrible, but he managed to win a couple of Dakar stages on that thing.

It does pay to get someone who knows what he is doing to set it up properly though.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 12, 2014, 08:10:09 pm
It's also very specific to the terrain you're riding, and the speed you're riding at. Maybe Jonah's bike was set up to handle really big hits and to stop it wallowing in whoops at mach speed?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 12, 2014, 09:47:58 pm
Anyone have specific ideas about suspension setup.
Front and rear springs are upgraded.
How should I set this baby up now?
Front felt fine on last rides, rear spring upgraded to 110 kg,s
I weigh 90 without all the kit and loop with spares water etc

WIll take any advice here will have one training ride to do finer adjustments
Sounds to me like the standard 10 clicks factory setting is the way to go, unless I want to spend a couple of grand with Hilton
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2014, 03:27:03 am
So, looking at the published starting list as of Today:

We have 77 bike entrants. Hopefully there wont be any further drop outs by the start. Seven entrants have not yet indicated their class or bike type, so we may yet end up with 70. 

An amazing No. of entrants entered into Malle Moto class, 22 so far, and it could go higher than that. I wonder how many of us will be able to finish?

Here is a breakdown of the malle moto guys (and girl), type of bike and whether they are riding restricted (R) or in the open (O) class.

1 - Robert Adams  WR450     R
2 - Andre Augustyn 690RR O
3 - Jonathan Blackburn 690 R O
4 - Lood Burger WR450 R
5 - Zarin Delport 690 R O
6 - Claude Deyzel 690 R O
7 - Gerrit du Toit SMR 610 O
8 - Diederik Esterhuizen 950 Adv O
9 - Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R
10 Niklaus Lutzeler BMW 450GZ R
11 Noel Maddiaon TE 610 O
12 Rudi Tour Neethling 950 SE O
13 Sandi Pitchers ?? O
14 Neil Ringdahl WR450 R
15 Willem Schoonbee 690 R O
16 Byron Taylor 530 O
17 Walter Terblanche 450 RR R
18 Dale Thompson ?? R
19 Ryan Upfold WR450 R
20 Donovan van de Langenberg ?? R
21 Koos can den Heever 690R O
22 Hendrik van der Walt XR650R O

Here is what is being ridden among the malle moto guys

7 x KTM 690 R
4 x WR450F
2 x KTM 950´s
2 x Husqvarna 610´s
2 x unkown
1 x KTM 450 RR
1 x XR650
Title: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: donovanwho on October 13, 2014, 05:41:42 am
Donovan van de Langenberg Husqvarna fe 501
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Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on October 13, 2014, 05:48:31 am
Where is Andrew johnstone aka kamanya?

Is he riding Malle moto ?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 13, 2014, 07:25:04 am
Interesting, I thought most riders would be malle moto and there would only be 1 or 2 support crews.

Are all the malle moto guys from Cape Town, or at least Cape, based?

Travelling from across the country without support is very difficult, especially with a finish in CT - or elsewhere if you don't make it
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 13, 2014, 07:45:04 am
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 13, 2014, 08:53:52 am
So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Yep, very little practical difference. I'll live out of one trunk and I'll pitch my tent myself.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 13, 2014, 09:35:16 am
So, looking at the published starting list as of Today:

We have 77 bike entrants. Hopefully there wont be any further drop outs by the start. Seven entrants have not yet indicated their class or bike type, so we may yet end up with 70. 

An amazing No. of entrants entered into Malle Moto class, 22 so far, and it could go higher than that. I wonder how many of us will be able to finish?

Here is a breakdown of the malle moto guys (and girl), type of bike and whether they are riding restricted (R) or in the open (O) class.

1 - Robert Adams  WR450     R
2 - Andre Augustyn 690RR O
3 - Jonathan Blackburn 690 R O
4 - Lood Burger WR450 R
5 - Zarin Delport 690 R O
6 - Claude Deyzel 690 R O
7 - Gerrit du Toit SMR 610 O
8 - Diederik Esterhuizen 950 Adv O
9 - Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R
10 Niklaus Lutzeler BMW 450GZ R
11 Noel Maddiaon TE 610 O
12 Rudi Tour Neethling 950 SE O
13 Sandi Pitchers ?? O
14 Neil Ringdahl WR450 R
15 Willem Schoonbee 690 R O
16 Byron Taylor 530 O
17 Walter Terblanche 450 RR R
18 Dale Thompson ?? R
19 Ryan Upfold WR450 R
20 Donovan van de Langenberg ?? R
21 Koos can den Heever 690R O
22 Hendrik van der Walt XR650R O

Here is what is being ridden among the malle moto guys

7 x KTM 690 R
4 x WR450F
2 x KTM 950´s
2 x Husqvarna 610´s
2 x unkown
1 x KTM 450 RR
1 x XR650


Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R should be open class...
Title: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Buff on October 13, 2014, 09:49:23 am
Donovan van de Langenberg Husqvarna fe 501
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/12/f2d21b53f9c6045e101c8f2a6b332b31.jpg)

Hi Donovan, is it your Husky that Eddie prepped? It sure looks the business  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on October 13, 2014, 11:49:14 am
Nice to see so many Husky's  :thumleft:

Good luck guys!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2014, 12:40:57 pm
Where is Andrew johnstone aka kamanya?

Is he riding Malle moto ?

He is not listed in the malle moto class.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on October 13, 2014, 01:58:51 pm
Hey guys.

Long time no chat. Seems the forum has been busy. Even had a visit from the other guy! Well I have met some of the irate farmers, and lets leave it at that. As least it made for a very interesting stage to get you around those farms.

Been spending my days between recce, road-book and admin in the evenings. Huge thanks to Crossed-Up for jumping on his bike to come help me. He had several punctures, invented new ways to fix a flat and spent 2 days on the road to meet me in Pofadder! Then spent two weeks with me driving the Jeep and trailer from town to town, chatting to the missing Police stations and sorting out the days track I recce'd in the evening, scanning the permission documents and setting out the route spreadsheet for MSA. We spent 18 hour days non-stop working the last bit. I owe you BIG time John!  :thumleft:

Sermon On...  >:(

Guys, you really need to chill when lambasting authority. Have you forgotten that not only members can view this thread, and that some of the members may even be the guys you are accusing? Although we have had it tough this year, every single government department, including traffic services, has done everything they could to assist us. Rules are rules, and from the beginning we have decided to make this event a success without cutting corners and with dignity and respect to all landowners. And the Traffic Police are the custodians of the roads owned by the public of SA. They cannot allow anything illegal to take place. Now you might go on with a 'but this and that...'. Sure. But keep it off the public forums. I don't want to another call from a government official asking why you are being rude.

Without government support you will be stuck racing off-road events only. Common guys. We are almost there. I have the utmost respect for you as a competitor, lets have respect for our traffic officers and Police as well.

Sermon off!  ;D

Thanks to John, this is a pic taken on one of the stage SS starts. Mine has been the first motorcycle to ever set wheel on that path. I can't tell you where it is, but it goes straight up a 5 story dune. Epic stuff. You'll love it!  >:D

If you want to come support the racing guys on the 1 and 2 or for the duration, then make sure you are at Upington on the 2nd at 10:30 (Prologue day). Entrance is R10 and goes to the old age home. The schedule for 2 November will be announced soon.

Keep safe and strong.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on October 13, 2014, 02:39:01 pm
Hier kom n ding ha ha ha. Af chop soos in die ou dae
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 13, 2014, 02:52:14 pm
...but it goes straight up a 5 story dune.

Eish wena....
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on October 13, 2014, 02:53:25 pm
...but it goes straight up a 5 story dune.

Eish wena....

Gelukkig is dit reguit  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on October 13, 2014, 02:57:17 pm
So, looking at the published starting list as of Today:

We have 77 bike entrants. Hopefully there wont be any further drop outs by the start. Seven entrants have not yet indicated their class or bike type, so we may yet end up with 70. 

An amazing No. of entrants entered into Malle Moto class, 22 so far, and it could go higher than that. I wonder how many of us will be able to finish?

Here is a breakdown of the malle moto guys (and girl), type of bike and whether they are riding restricted (R) or in the open (O) class.

1 - Robert Adams  WR450     R
2 - Andre Augustyn 690RR O
3 - Jonathan Blackburn 690 R O
4 - Lood Burger WR450 R
5 - Zarin Delport 690 R O
6 - Claude Deyzel 690 R O
7 - Gerrit du Toit SMR 610 O
8 - Diederik Esterhuizen 950 Adv O
9 - Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R
10 Niklaus Lutzeler BMW 450GZ R
11 Noel Maddiaon TE 610 O
12 Rudi Tour Neethling 950 SE O
13 Sandi Pitchers ?? O
14 Neil Ringdahl WR450 R
15 Willem Schoonbee 690 R O
16 Byron Taylor 530 O
17 Walter Terblanche 450 RR R
18 Dale Thompson ?? R
19 Ryan Upfold WR450 R
20 Donovan van de Langenberg ?? R
21 Koos can den Heever 690R O
22 Hendrik van der Walt XR650R O

Here is what is being ridden among the malle moto guys

7 x KTM 690 R
4 x WR450F
2 x KTM 950´s
2 x Husqvarna 610´s
2 x unkown
1 x KTM 450 RR
1 x XR650


44 Mellin Lee    Rallye Moto  Open  Malle Moto  Husqvarna TE 610  - not that it is important :thumleft:.   Additionally, like last year, the only entrant from the Eastern Cape as far as I am aware. 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2014, 03:01:50 pm
Sorry I missed you boet!

3 weeks today we will be on the Ashkam Afkak. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on October 13, 2014, 03:10:39 pm
Sorry I missed you boet!

3 weeks today we will be on the Ashkam Afkak. ;D

Cool, no worries,  only for stats purposes ;). No sand in the EC to ride so afkak it will be. :'(
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 13, 2014, 03:14:22 pm
Gelukkig is dit reguit  :imaposer:

Reguit of nie, 'n 130 kg bike met 28 hp klim nie 5 verdiepings nie. Sal maar penalties moet vat...

Maar kom ons kyk maar!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: WDT on October 13, 2014, 03:35:03 pm
Lyk dan soos ons plaas daai!

O nee, ons plaas is droer

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 13, 2014, 03:37:41 pm
Gelukkig is dit reguit  :imaposer:

Reguit of nie, 'n 130 kg bike met 28 hp klim nie 5 verdiepings nie. Sal maar penalties moet vat...

Maar kom ons kyk maar!

I'll lend you 200cc from my bike, the we'll both be on 450s - that should make life easier for both of us  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 13, 2014, 03:39:31 pm
I'll lend you 200cc from my bike, the we'll both be on 450s - that should make life easier for both of us  :thumleft:

Haha, deal!

And we'll pass the weight on to our cousins with the 450 race bikes. If they each take a kg or two we'll be sorted.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 13, 2014, 03:41:54 pm
Guys, who can help me with measuring the sound level of my horn and exhaust? Horn must be at least 90 dB and exhaust under 112 dB.

The phone apps are limited by the specific microphones, most only go to about 85 dB.

Dont want to leave this till Sat 1 Nov. I'm in Gauteng. I phoned Dekra and they cant do it.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 13, 2014, 04:00:32 pm
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 13, 2014, 04:11:16 pm
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo
I skeem we all are getting amped!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 13, 2014, 07:21:42 pm
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo

Well -------------- that's coz bonova got there too fast  >:D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on October 13, 2014, 07:36:55 pm
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo
I skeem we all are getting amped!

Hell I'm not riding, but I'm also getting twitchy  :biggrin:

As usual really regretting I wont be there.  Maybe next year if I can get a few things aligned..... ::) :-\ :P :sip: :bueller:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: GJ on October 13, 2014, 07:54:14 pm
So, looking at the published starting list as of Today:

We have 77 bike entrants. Hopefully there wont be any further drop outs by the start. Seven entrants have not yet indicated their class or bike type, so we may yet end up with 70. 

An amazing No. of entrants entered into Malle Moto class, 22 so far, and it could go higher than that. I wonder how many of us will be able to finish?

Here is a breakdown of the malle moto guys (and girl), type of bike and whether they are riding restricted (R) or in the open (O) class. T











1 - Robert Adams  WR450     R
2 - Andre Augustyn 690RR O
3 - Jonathan Blackburn 690 R O
4 - Lood Burger WR450 R
5 - Zarin Delport 690 R O
6 - Claude Deyzel 690 R O
7 - Gerrit du Toit SMR 610 O
8 - Diederik Esterhuizen 950 Adv O
9 - Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R
10 Niklaus Lutzeler BMW 450GZ R
11 Noel Maddiaon TE 610 O
12 Rudi Tour Neethling 950 SE O
13 Sandi Pitchers ?? O
14 Neil Ringdahl WR450 R
15 Willem Schoonbee 690 R O
16 Byron Taylor 530 O
17 Walter Terblanche 450 RR R
18 Dale Thompson ?? R
19 Ryan Upfold WR450 R
20 Donovan van de Langenberg ?? R
21 Koos can den Heever 690R O
22 Hendrik van der Walt XR650R O

Here is what is being ridden among the malle moto guys

7 x KTM 690 R
4 x WR450F
2 x KTM 950´s
2 x Husqvarna 610´s
2 x unkown
1 x KTM 450 RR
1 x XR650


Albert Hintenaus 690 R  R should be open class...




Albert ry n 450rr
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 13, 2014, 09:14:22 pm
Thought so
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: donovanwho on October 13, 2014, 09:28:15 pm
Donovan van de Langenberg Husqvarna fe 501
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/12/f2d21b53f9c6045e101c8f2a6b332b31.jpg)

Hi Donovan, is it your Husky that Eddie prepped? It sure looks the business  :thumleft:
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2014, 10:53:47 pm
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!

Cool stuff Donovan! Welcome to the fórum as well bru! :thumleft:

How do you find that Leatt body armour? Do you wear anything under it? I was looking at one here this afternoon in Lima, and they retail for US$ 335. Reckon I can get it for less than R4,000 in RSA?

Previously I wore the Acerbis Koarta body armour which was great even though I battled a bit fitting and wearing the neck brace with it.

I figure Im due for a replacement so am considering this. I plan to wear a rally jacket over the lot.
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: donovanwho on October 14, 2014, 05:44:22 am
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!

Cool stuff Donovan! Welcome to the fórum as well bru! :thumleft:

How do you find that Leatt body armour? Do you wear anything under it? I was looking at one here this afternoon in Lima, and they retail for US$ 335. Reckon I can get it for less than R4,000 in RSA?

Previously I wore the Acerbis Koarta body armour which was great even though I battled a bit fitting and wearing the neck brace with it.

I figure Im due for a replacement so am considering this. I plan to wear a rally jacket over the lot.
Works well with the leatt next brace, removable front and back insert to get the brace close to your body but tricky with jackets. They do not fit over the brace. I found a rally jacket from alpinestar with a removable collor, and when it gets to hot I remove the sleaves. Under the brace  a compression vest. I think its personal prefrence.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 14, 2014, 05:51:59 am
Look at the Leatt 5.5 armour - integrated for the neck brace, also get a lite version. Their hydrapack is also great and developed as an integrated unit that sits vas and does move at all (not a fan of the one that works with the neck brace though).
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 14, 2014, 08:45:17 am
Hello BB.

Long sleeve hiking shirt, Leatt Armor, Leatt neckbrace, MX shirt and then Leatt jacket that goes over it all. The jacket has a special collar that fits around the brace. It ends up costing a bit, but its all made to fit, so is quite comfortable.

The hiking shirt takes all the sweat off and keeps you reasonably cool if you take the jacket off and wet the MX shirt a bit.

Bought my Armour before the 2012 Amageza, and its still holding up quite well. I do crash test them quite often.

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 14, 2014, 08:49:12 am
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo

We are learning. You guys surprised us a few times with how quick you were in the stages last year. I will be moving one day ahead of you lot every stage to get things sorted well before you get there. Alex has also made your stages longer and our moves shorter in comparison, so the Marshals won't have to be Rallye champ drivers to stay ahead of you all the time.

Can't wait... :3some:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 14, 2014, 08:56:11 am
Hey guys.

Long time no chat. Seems the forum has been busy. Even had a visit from the other guy! Well I have met some of the irate farmers, and lets leave it at that. As least it made for a very interesting stage to get you around those farms.

Been spending my days between recce, road-book and admin in the evenings. Huge thanks to Crossed-Up for jumping on his bike to come help me. He had several punctures, invented new ways to fix a flat and spent 2 days on the road to meet me in Pofadder! Then spent two weeks with me driving the Jeep and trailer from town to town, chatting to the missing Police stations and sorting out the days track I recce'd in the evening, scanning the permission documents and setting out the route spreadsheet for MSA. We spent 18 hour days non-stop working the last bit. I owe you BIG time John!  :thumleft:

Sermon On...  >:(

Guys, you really need to chill when lambasting authority. Have you forgotten that not only members can view this thread, and that some of the members may even be the guys you are accusing? Although we have had it tough this year, every single government department, including traffic services, has done everything they could to assist us. Rules are rules, and from the beginning we have decided to make this event a success without cutting corners and with dignity and respect to all landowners. And the Traffic Police are the custodians of the roads owned by the public of SA. They cannot allow anything illegal to take place. Now you might go on with a 'but this and that...'. Sure. But keep it off the public forums. I don't want to another call from a government official asking why you are being rude.

Without government support you will be stuck racing off-road events only. Common guys. We are almost there. I have the utmost respect for you as a competitor, lets have respect for our traffic officers and Police as well.

Sermon off!  ;D

Thanks to John, this is a pic taken on one of the stage SS starts. Mine has been the first motorcycle to ever set wheel on that path. I can't tell you where it is, but it goes straight up a 5 story dune. Epic stuff. You'll love it!  >:D

If you want to come support the racing guys on the 1 and 2 or for the duration, then make sure you are at Upington on the 2nd at 10:30 (Prologue day). Entrance is R10 and goes to the old age home. The schedule for 2 November will be announced soon.

Keep safe and strong.

Thanks for the assist there John. Alex was fighting a huge war on his own. He even needed to get the Samson locks growing back. :biggrin:

I need to agree fully with Alex on the authority issues. The platteland authorities are a very nice bunch of people, unfortunately some people see the niceness as a weakness and then upset the balance, giving us out of town folk a bad name.

We need everybody's involvement to make this a success. We will only see how good we are if the shit hits the fan, as anybody can run something that never goes wrong. We need all involved to limit any fall out so we cannot estrange anybody in the area.

Practice your Sir and Ma'am and Oom en Tannie please. Respect and a smile goes a long way.   :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on October 14, 2014, 09:00:56 am
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo

We are learning. You guys surprised us a few times with how quick you were in the stages last year. I will be moving one day ahead of you lot every stage to get things sorted well before you get there. Alex has also made your stages longer and our moves shorter in comparison, so the Marshals won't have to be Rallye champ drivers to stay ahead of you all the time.

On the last stage last year, we realised that the front guys were ahead of the marshalls, and due to arrive at the finish first. Some bright spark (Malibu, I think?) on the forum pointed this out, and demanded (!) photos of the riders arriving. So i jump on the sat phone, contact Pleco and his wife, and "invite" them to hurry up, direction finish. This of a couple that had slept I guess maybe three hours in the previous three days. For a while it was neck-and-neck, with Kobus on the liaison and Pleco on tar, but they made it with a few minutes to spare, and the mandatory photos were taken.
Good memories...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: boland on October 14, 2014, 09:05:34 am
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!

Cool stuff Donovan! Welcome to the fórum as well bru! :thumleft:

How do you find that Leatt body armour? Do you wear anything under it? I was looking at one here this afternoon in Lima, and they retail for US$ 335. Reckon I can get it for less than R4,000 in RSA?

Previously I wore the Acerbis Koarta body armour which was great even though I battled a bit fitting and wearing the neck brace with it.

I figure Im due for a replacement so am considering this. I plan to wear a rally jacket over the lot.

Just for interest, I paid R1800 for mine (exactly the same) at Trac-Mac in Durbanville :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 14, 2014, 09:05:44 am
BB the leatt stuff is quite a bit cheaper in SA. Contact dustriders.co.za
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 14, 2014, 09:39:12 am
We're three people taking a bakkie and trailer from Cape Town together to save costs, and the bakkie will carry our shit instead of the org. Makes us a team, but there's no mechanic, cook, helper or dancing girls... So Malle Moto in all but name. I guess many are in a similar position.

Haha... I'm the same..... I'm part of team Subtech...... but I'm camping and doing all the work on my own bike.... So basically Malle Moto with a guy taking my stuff to the bivouac instead of Alex's team.
It does help tho in many ways... last year there were 2 x I had to wait quite a long time before my trommel arrived at the biv.

getting super amped.... woooohooooo

We are learning. You guys surprised us a few times with how quick you were in the stages last year. I will be moving one day ahead of you lot every stage to get things sorted well before you get there. Alex has also made your stages longer and our moves shorter in comparison, so the Marshals won't have to be Rallye champ drivers to stay ahead of you all the time.

On the last stage last year, we realised that the front guys were ahead of the marshalls, and due to arrive at the finish first. Some bright spark (Malibu, I think?) on the forum pointed this out, and demanded (!) photos of the riders arriving. So i jump on the sat phone, contact Pleco and his wife, and "invite" them to hurry up, direction finish. This of a couple that had slept I guess maybe three hours in the previous three days. For a while it was neck-and-neck, with Kobus on the liaison and Pleco on tar, but they made it with a few minutes to spare, and the mandatory photos were taken.
Good memories...

Never knew I would need to be that fast on tar to keep up with a Rallye bike going off road. Steve gave me a heads up just in time. Beat the fornt runner by about 10 mins.  :o
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 14, 2014, 02:22:45 pm
Any idea how good the cell/data coverage will be int he places we are staying at night?

Im considering getting a 20GB data bundle so I can upload photos and video highlights (quick rough edits) every night
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 14, 2014, 03:30:41 pm
Any idea how good the cell/data coverage will be int he places we are staying at night?

Im considering getting a 20GB data bundle so I can upload photos and video highlights (quick rough edits) every night

Alexander and I had some trouble finding good connections wherever we went in Upington. None of the 3 places we stayed had good connections. The place where the officials will sleep was the worst, but they did have wi-fi.
The Wimpy, Spur, Panarottis etc saw a lot of us!
I don't remember Kakamas, but I was tracking Alexander from my phone while waiting for him and it was good.
Springbok was OK, Sutherland was adequate.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 14, 2014, 04:15:43 pm
Sutherland went completely off the grid last year just at the wrong time. AS the bikes came in and some okes dropped some very weird Garmins in my lap.

But Springbok and Kakemas was fine.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 14, 2014, 04:20:17 pm
Any idea how good the cell/data coverage will be int he places we are staying at night?

Im considering getting a 20GB data bundle so I can upload photos and video highlights (quick rough edits) every night

can you post the link, or what ever info is required so we can forward to family and friends before we leave for Upington  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 14, 2014, 04:22:26 pm
mmm ok well I think then I will try my luck and buy a 20GB data bundle, can just upload things over night while I sleep.

All my mates followed on here last year and all said they would like to see more photos and video during the event
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 14, 2014, 04:22:42 pm
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!

Cool stuff Donovan! Welcome to the fórum as well bru! :thumleft:

How do you find that Leatt body armour? Do you wear anything under it? I was looking at one here this afternoon in Lima, and they retail for US$ 335. Reckon I can get it for less than R4,000 in RSA?

Previously I wore the Acerbis Koarta body armour which was great even though I battled a bit fitting and wearing the neck brace with it.

I figure Im due for a replacement so am considering this. I plan to wear a rally jacket over the lot.
Works well with the leatt next brace, removable front and back insert to get the brace close to your body but tricky with jackets. They do not fit over the brace. I found a rally jacket from alpinestar with a removable collor, and when it gets to hot I remove the sleaves. Under the brace  a compression vest. I think its personal prefrence.

I use the same Leatt body armour over a long sleeve shirt, with a rally jacket over that and lastly the neck brace.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 14, 2014, 04:39:27 pm
mmm ok well I think then I will try my luck and buy a 20GB data bundle, can just upload things over night while I sleep.

All my mates followed on here last year and all said they would like to see more photos and video during the event

I think that the competitors and Armchair competitors will appreciate this immensely bud!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 14, 2014, 04:54:57 pm
mmm ok well I think then I will try my luck and buy a 20GB data bundle, can just upload things over night while I sleep.

All my mates followed on here last year and all said they would like to see more photos and video during the event

I think that the competitors and Armchair competitors will appreciate this immensely bud!  :thumleft:
For sure!

Order of operations will be

photos to facebook/wilddogs/advrider
video to youtube/wilddogs/advrider

I will try to do interviews with the riders on the 1st day, as well as get bits here and there during the event/nights. depending how good or bad reception is I will post more than one day at a time or ideally every night with some times in the day
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 14, 2014, 06:41:21 pm
That´s great stuff N[]va! :thumleft:

This will really put South Africa on the map with the right coverage of a properly managed rally.

Thanks to you and to all, especially Alex and the authorities for making it happen.  :hello2: :hello2:

Title: Re: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 14, 2014, 08:39:09 pm
Sold both my 640 sm and 690 to buy this beast. Got the bike new from E2R  but has done the whole conversion myself. Veeeeeerrrrryyyyy excited!!!!!

Cool stuff Donovan! Welcome to the fórum as well bru! :thumleft:

How do you find that Leatt body armour? Do you wear anything under it? I was looking at one here this afternoon in Lima, and they retail for US$ 335. Reckon I can get it for less than R4,000 in RSA?

Previously I wore the Acerbis Koarta body armour which was great even though I battled a bit fitting and wearing the neck brace with it.

I figure Im due for a replacement so am considering this. I plan to wear a rally jacket over the lot.
Works well with the leatt next brace, removable front and back insert to get the brace close to your body but tricky with jackets. They do not fit over the brace. I found a rally jacket from alpinestar with a removable collor, and when it gets to hot I remove the sleaves. Under the brace  a compression vest. I think its personal prefrence.

I use the same Leatt body armour over a long sleeve shirt, with a rally jacket over that and lastly the neck brace.

Is everyone going with the Rally jacket idea , ore will there be some guys with MX shirts?
I can just not imagine that jacket in the heat.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 15, 2014, 06:30:03 am
I've got a tough MX shirt (both shirt and pants mesh) and a water/windproof pullover for if it gets cold. I have an old mesh rally jacket I'll take with, but I agree - some guys are going to sweat big time! Just don't crash on tar or fast gravel!
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 15, 2014, 06:32:54 am
I've got a tough MX shirt (both shirt and pants mesh) and a water/windproof pullover for if it gets cold. I have an old mesh rally jacket I'll take with, but I agree - some guys are going to sweat big time! Just don't crash on tar or fast gravel!

Similar setup here. Vest under armour under MX shirt + cheap yellow windbreaker that stores away.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Camelman on October 15, 2014, 06:57:44 am
Something I found a while back regarding Rally Navigation on the internet somewhere...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZTbEpGSoZ4tDDttugrcGJsRnW8gYcy_6GXwlz37bRiTeKfTFG4s4jAgZLcE/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZTbEpGSoZ4tDDttugrcGJsRnW8gYcy_6GXwlz37bRiTeKfTFG4s4jAgZLcE/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Gavin on October 15, 2014, 08:37:46 am
You will loose less fluid from sweating over a long period  if you have a jacket on than with just a MX shirt. obviously at a standstill you sweat like a beast in a jacket , but the idea is that you are always on the move 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 15, 2014, 12:46:40 pm
Something I found a while back regarding Rally Navigation on the internet somewhere...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZTbEpGSoZ4tDDttugrcGJsRnW8gYcy_6GXwlz37bRiTeKfTFG4s4jAgZLcE/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZTbEpGSoZ4tDDttugrcGJsRnW8gYcy_6GXwlz37bRiTeKfTFG4s4jAgZLcE/view?usp=sharing)

Some really useful comments in that :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 15, 2014, 12:57:08 pm
So I made my UAV easier to spot, if you see this orange thing flying towards you dont stress

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1653875_728758227189221_3366788137651140827_n.jpg?oh=6228c03367b288880fb9eea4ed664da0&oe=54F402E2&__gda__=1421786759_8cd7dce625c9d21cc7f633f25de128e0)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 15, 2014, 01:46:59 pm
So I made my UAV easier to spot, if you see this orange thing flying towards you dont stress

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1653875_728758227189221_3366788137651140827_n.jpg?oh=6228c03367b288880fb9eea4ed664da0&oe=54F402E2&__gda__=1421786759_8cd7dce625c9d21cc7f633f25de128e0)

And if it overtakes you.... Twist throttle open more..... :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 15, 2014, 01:48:41 pm
So I made my UAV easier to spot, if you see this orange thing flying towards you dont stress

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1653875_728758227189221_3366788137651140827_n.jpg?oh=6228c03367b288880fb9eea4ed664da0&oe=54F402E2&__gda__=1421786759_8cd7dce625c9d21cc7f633f25de128e0)

And if it overtakes you.... Twist throttle open more..... :biggrin:
If there are some nice open sections where I film I will fly backwards with the camera facing you guys
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 15, 2014, 02:06:26 pm
So remember to duck for flying birds ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Gavin on October 15, 2014, 04:36:00 pm
Put a KTM sticker on it and it will fly faster .
Looks awesome
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 15, 2014, 08:46:54 pm
Put a KTM sticker on it and it will fly faster .
Looks awesome
Good thing it doesnt need oil...  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 04:05:46 am
Some sage words i picked up in advrider on wáter in the desert:

Quote
In the lines of dimi's story, I was out a few week ago on sweep for the Baja rally and punched a hole in my case. The two guys in front if me were sure to come back, but a just in case plan of mine was to sleep under the tree until the sun hit the mountains, save my water and hike out. But I was already low in water because I didn't fill it up (back story, but bad decision).

Regardless of rules and regulations and phones and flares, I can't possibly consider emergency water a "joke." Within the context of the discussion even. I imagine that we all have decisions to make and we either live or die with them. If I were to have the option of extra water, I'd take it.

One of the things I like to say to guys I chase for in Baja is, if there is an easy solution to a hard problem, it's a no brainer. Spare tires, extra water, proper first aid kits. Easy solutions to hard problems.

I say this without extensive racing experience. But I nearly exclusively ride alone. Sometimes we rely on others to "save" us, and we most certainly should not.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Gavin on October 16, 2014, 11:03:45 am
Scooterbike , Your funny  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 16, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
As you know I recently spent 2 weeks with your Rallye Director helping with laying out the course and getting the paperwork in order. Mostly the latter actually.

There are three matters (among many) that I'd like the riders to fully internalise - to take to heart.

1.  South Africa is a land of fences. Gates are critical to the success and future of this rally. We will arrange that as many of the gates as possible will be open. But there are others which have to be closed.  Guys, please, if a gate is closed, it is your responsibility to close it behind you.  If another rider approaches while you are busy with the gate do not leave until you are sure that he knows he must close the gate. Do not assume that he will.  I know that Alexander is fine-tuning his software so that the short time that riders spend at gates does not count against their stage time. It may be a good time to give your bike and gear a quick check and to take stock of your progress.  Of course, by examining the timing, the software can also tell who left the gate open. Penalties will be severe.  After the fiasco earlier this year all eyes are on us and our behaviour. Gates are a fact of life in cross-country rallying in this country and we have to live with them and behave accordingly.

2.  Stick to the track.  We're using most of these roads by kind permission of the farmers and other stake-holders. Except for just one specific place, no off-piste riding will be tolerated.  Some of the  areas we cross are important for bio-diversity, and some for concerns about cultural/archaeological preservation. We ask you in the nicest possible terms to stick to the track. The penalty that you might accrue for riding across the veld will be small in comparison to the cost to the event itself.

3.  Alcohol. MSA GCRs state clearly that no alcohol is to be consumed by competitors or officials during any MSA event. At this stage I'm not completely sure that this applies to the Bivouacs. I must assume it does as Bivvy's are integral to the event.  In any case we had to give Lt. Colonel Goeimans of the Upington police the assurance that there will be no alcohol at the Skougronde venue. This is cast in stone. Do not come to the starting line even smelling of alcohol, much less under the influence. This is grounds for immediate exclusion.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 16, 2014, 02:59:56 pm
Hmmm ... while I would really not be quaffing beers while competing in an event like this it is interesting to note that at the Dakar bivouac meals every competitor can get their ration of beer or wine with their meal ... but then it is a French organisation  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 05:58:56 pm
Hmmm ... while I would really not be quaffing beers while competing in an event like this it is interesting to note that at the Dakar bivouac meals every competitor can get their ration of beer or wine with their meal ... but then it is a French organisation  ::)

Having spent some time in Dakar bivouac´s I can promise you that no competitors I saw were drinking alcohol of any kind. Occasionaly on the last night of the rally riders will maybe drink one beer, but even then most guys don´t for fear of not being able to finish the event as a result.

Dont really see why we need alcohol or even justify it anyway. This is not the Dakar, its the Amageza. And as far as the Amageza is concerned, there will be no alcohol. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 06:03:17 pm
As you know I recently spent 2 weeks with your Rallye Director helping with laying out the course and getting the paperwork in order. Mostly the latter actually.

There are three matters (among many) that I'd like the riders to fully internalise - to take to heart.

1.  South Africa is a land of fences. Gates are critical to the success and future of this rally. We will arrange that as many of the gates as possible will be open. But there are others which have to be closed.  Guys, please, if a gate is closed, it is your responsibility to close it behind you.  If another rider approaches while you are busy with the gate do not leave until you are sure that he knows he must close the gate. Do not assume that he will.  I know that Alexander is fine-tuning his software so that the short time that riders spend at gates does not count against their stage time. It may be a good time to give your bike and gear a quick check and to take stock of your progress.  Of course, by examining the timing, the software can also tell who left the gate open. Penalties will be severe. After the fiasco earlier this year all eyes are on us and our behaviour. Gates are a fact of life in cross-country rallying in this country and we have to live with them and behave accordingly.

2.   Stick to the track.  We're using most of these roads by kind permission of the farmers and other stake-holders. Except for just one specific place, no off-piste riding will be tolerated.  Some of the  areas we cross are important for bio-diversity, and some for concerns about cultural/archaeological preservation. We ask you in the nicest possible terms to stick to the track. The penalty that you might accrue for riding across the veld will be small in comparison to the cost to the event itself.

3.  Alcohol. MSA GCRs state clearly that no alcohol is to be consumed by competitors or officials during any MSA event. At this stage I'm not completely sure that this applies to the Bivouacs. I must assume it does as Bivvy's are integral to the event.  In any case we had to give Lt. Colonel Goeimans of the Upington police the assurance that there will be no alcohol at the Skougronde venue. This is cast in stone. Do not come to the starting line even smelling of alcohol, much less under the influence. This is grounds for immediate exclusion.


Thanks for this post Crossed up! Its good to know the ground rules ahead of time. Gates will also be marked open or closed right?

I am sure these rules will be mentioned again at the briefing.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 16, 2014, 07:01:37 pm
Hmmm ... while I would really not be quaffing beers while competing in an event like this it is interesting to note that at the Dakar bivouac meals every competitor can get their ration of beer or wine with their meal ... but then it is a French organisation  ::)

Having spent some time in Dakar bivouac´s I can promise you that no competitors I saw were drinking alcohol of any kind. Occasionaly on the last night of the rally riders will maybe drink one beer, but even then most guys don´t for fear of not being able to finish the event as a result.
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Dont really see why we need alcohol or even justify it anyway. This is not the Dakar, its the Amageza. And as far as the Amageza is concerned, there will be no alcohol. :thumleft:

I agree but was also reading an Amageza thread here on nutrition the other day and a few competitors were  listing a few beers in the evening as part of their projected diet ... carbo loading I guess  ;D They are going to be dissapointed by the prohibitionists.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 07:15:21 pm
Thats true, and i also think that was way Crossed up said what he did. Beers is going to be off the menú ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 16, 2014, 07:19:00 pm

Gates will also be marked open or closed right?

I am sure these rules will be mentioned again at the briefing.

The logistics of marking the gates might prove too much for our tiny organisation. This is the ideal, I know, and it is mentioned in the Guide/SRs. The fact is that a great deal of the early Specials (where there are  many gates) are almost inaccessible to all but serious 4X4s. The cost in time and money might be too much.

Remember, though, that I'm speaking without referring to Alexander, who might still have a plan to mark the gates, but he hasn't mentioned it to me.

The rules etc have to be rehashed at the briefing. There is nothing "official" about this thread. It merely serves for the many competitors who read this forum.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 07:49:20 pm
Agreed, this thread forms part of an open public forum with all kinds of people posting comments.

Many will not even be attending the rally either as entrants or officials.

It needs to be said, that while some of the comments in this forum are related,

The views expressed in this forum are independent and do not represent the views of the Amageza Racing (Pty) Ltd. nor any of its representatives or officials, nor the views of the MSA or other authorities and their representitives, nor do they represent the views of the competitors entering the event

If anyone has any complaints, questions or concerns, please contact a moderator; if any comments are deemed inappropriate or misleading, please use the "report to moderator"  button or contact one of the mods directly. :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: witblitz on October 16, 2014, 07:56:25 pm

Gates will also be marked open or closed right?

I am sure these rules will be mentioned again at the briefing.

The logistics of marking the gates might prove too much for our tiny organisation. This is the ideal, I know, and it is mentioned in the Guide/SRs. The fact is that a great deal of the early Specials (where there are  many gates) are almost inaccessible to all but serious 4X4s. The cost in time and money might be too much.

Remember, though, that I'm speaking without referring to Alexander, who might still have a plan to mark the gates, but he hasn't mentioned it to me.

The rules etc have to be rehashed at the briefing. There is nothing "official" about this thread. It merely serves for the many competitors who read this forum.

I am unsure if the route will be ridden a week or two before the event to ensure that everything is in order. Just a suggestion for the gates if you ride it beforehand again. Mark closed gates with three orange stickers on the gate. Racing guys will know that it indicates a warning and it can double up as indication that the gate must be closed afterwards. Open gates need not be marked.

Otherwise goodluck to everyone taking part.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 16, 2014, 08:07:17 pm
witblitz - good suggestion. I am sure they are pre running the route ahead of the event and will make the applicable indications. Bear in mind that farmers sometimes change when gates are closed or opened pretty often so this can be different even if the the route is pre-run. Im sure the orga will be in touch with each landowner and communicate to us what the plan will be.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 18, 2014, 10:54:00 am
Where is Andrew johnstone aka kamanya?

Is he riding Malle moto ?

He is not listed in the malle moto class.

I have Jagsding as my toilet seat warming handlanger for the frosty mornings and steering wheel attendant for the long days. I am expecting soothing back rubs with a stress releasing facial  and frozen peeled grapes once I get in. He's been practicing his motivational bedtime story telling for the evenings.

You have no idea how hard it is to get obedient, well trained rally help these days!

I do think I am going to have a harder time than the Malle Moto guys; besides racing, I'm going to have to be managing and supervising staff and you know that can be so very tedious and tiring.

Sadly, he's recently only been working on Landrovers so I cannot possibly let him near my bike for any fixes or maintenance. If he gets within a few meters or two, my bike would most likely just spontaneously shit all its oil.

He is going to be driving my Pajero with my kak in it.

He doesn't know it yet, but he will be sneakily inserted into my riding gear for a stage or two.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 18, 2014, 03:09:44 pm
:imaposer:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 18, 2014, 06:32:48 pm
Where is Andrew johnstone aka kamanya?

Is he riding Malle moto ?

He is not listed in the malle moto class.

I have Jagsding as my toilet seat warming handlanger for the frosty mornings and steering wheel attendant for the long days. I am expecting soothing back rubs with a stress releasing facial  and frozen peeled grapes once I get in. He's been practicing his motivational bedtime story telling for the evenings.

You have no idea how hard it is to get obedient, well trained rally help these days!

I do think I am going to have a harder time than the Malle Moto guys; besides racing, I'm going to have to be managing and supervising staff and you know that can be so very tedious and tiring.

Sadly, he's recently only been working on Landrovers so I cannot possibly let him near my bike for any fixes or maintenance. If he gets within a few meters or two, my bike would most likely just spontaneously shit all its oil.

He is going to be driving my Pajero with my kak in it.

He doesn't know it yet, but he will be sneakily inserted into my riding gear for a stage or two.
With a name like Jagsding I would would be a bit worried about back rubs, turning my back on him would be a definite nono. >:D


After atempting a navigational ride today, I do like the idea if a body double, think Mark Coma is in town :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on October 18, 2014, 07:30:50 pm
I are here is.

Me number 1 rally fan make massage good love you long time
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 18, 2014, 08:02:35 pm
sounds like happy ending even if not coming first !  >:D
Title: Springbokkie ready to race
Post by: SteveD on October 19, 2014, 01:20:28 pm
With BlueBull spending his time between Peru and Spain, and Springbokkie being in Port Elizabeth, this was proving to be a tiny stumbling block to Amageza preparations. So I offered to help get the legendary bike ready for Amageza this year.

The known issues included:
- wiring not so lekker. Functional, but not lekker
- the HID, or something, was draining the battery
- the HID interfered with the fairing, so it could not be adjusted high enough
- the bike really, really battled to start
- oh, and the last one - every now and then she would catch fire.
Not a problem, I say, bring it on.

So I get the bike from PE, and pretty much immediately send it to Helderberg Yamaha. Electrical stuff I am comfortable with, mechanical stuff and engines are beyond me.
The Yamaha people figure out quite quickly that the fuel pump had found a new purpose in life. Rather than pump fuel, it was doing everything in its power to prevent fuel getting from the tank to the carb. A bit of Googling and we found out that a Polaris Ranger uses the same fuel pump, and Polaris were really helpful in sourcing a new one for me, chop-chop.

While that was happening, I was busy ordering a few farkles - Squadron LED to replace the HID, Skeene dimmer so that oncoming traffic is not blinded, backup ICO, ICO Rally CAP, GPS and holder, a bakkie load of tyres, and a whole lot of wiring.
I decided to rip out the old instrument wiring and redo it, at the same time adding two relay/fuse holder PCBs that I made for my X-Challenge. It is possibly overkill, but each instrument gets its own fuse, so a failure on one instrument won't affect any of the others. And it is redundant, so post-crash repairs to get going again should, in theory, be easier.

All of the farkles got stuck in our ever-so-helpful striking Post Office, for six weeks! But I got the last bits on Friday, eventually.

Enough talk, time for peechas:
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174431_zps48010549.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174431_zps48010549.jpg.html)
Very neat SKeene IQ-175 dimmer. What I didn't figure out is that it relies on the housing of the LED not being connected to the power return. As a result, I had to mount the LED using non-conductive rubber washers. The people at Skeene were extremely helpful, helping me figure out the problem rather late on Saturday night.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174449_zpsdd50e67b.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174449_zpsdd50e67b.jpg.html)
On the other side of that go the two relay/fuse holder PCBs. Their location was a trade-off between accessibility and protection, with protection getting a much bigger piece of the cake. I suspect I might be sworn at, quite a lot, if a fuse does need replacing.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174526_zps4d301155.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18174526_zps4d301155.jpg.html)

On either side of the tower, these brackets, which I had laser-cut by a crowd in Cape Town for a very reasonable price. Amazingly, the people at Baja Designs cold not provide me with a decent drawing of the Squadron, so the bracket was drawn by eye-balling their rather crappy drawing, and guessing quite a lot. I made two mistakes, thankfully both small.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18181541_zps27e0b3b3.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18181541_zps27e0b3b3.jpg.html)

Sandwiched between the two brackets, and the required rubber washers, goes the Squadron LED. This thing is really, really bright!
I use a three-position thumb switch on the handlebars to control the dimmer. The brightness for each position of the switch can be programmed while on the bike, which is rather neat. For now, I set it to 20% (road dim), 40%(road bright) and 100% (sunlight!)

I needed longer screws than those provided, and the Squadron uses UNC, not metric thread :-[  Bolt and Nut Centre in Paarden Island stock UNC bolts, thank heavens.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18181632_zps58b93cac.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-18181632_zps58b93cac.jpg.html)

A major, major relief that the fairing still fits, with enough space to be able to adjust the angle of the LED.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-19101947_zpsa8c8e6f9.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/2014-10-19101947_zpsa8c8e6f9.jpg.html)

All done!
Well not quite. I still have to fit the Aurora Roadbook holder, and its custom bracket. They are making one specifically for BlueBull, with provision for ICO  +ICO CAP on top, with backup ICO at the bottom. And of course the Aurora roadbook itself, which is a thing of beauty.

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sdennehy/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/1_zpsdb547a27.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sdennehy/media/Bike%20stuff/Springbokkie/1_zpsdb547a27.jpg.html)

https://www.youtube.com/v/Km_l2kM1YoM

The catching-fire thing was found to be a tiny hole in the rear fuel tank, directly above the exhaust. We had the tank repaired, and on a few test runs I havn't caught fire once.

The sticker kit and roadbook+bracket should arrive this week, and Springbokkie will be ready to race!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 19, 2014, 03:30:27 pm
Nice one Steve!


Does anyone know the size of the GPS tracker that we gonna need to fit on or in somewhere?
Can I assume that it has it's own power supply (batteries?)?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2014, 04:14:13 pm
Nice job - by the way Baja Designs has all the specs and tech drawings on their website?  ::)
You need to look under the banner 'science of lighting' then data sheets.

http://www.bajadesigns.com/science-of-lighting/data-sheets/squadron-sport-data-sheet (http://www.bajadesigns.com/science-of-lighting/data-sheets/squadron-sport-data-sheet)

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 19, 2014, 04:22:53 pm
Bravo Steve!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on October 19, 2014, 04:45:46 pm
Well done Steve!

Some superb work there I think  :thumleft:

Just a point on navigation tower build philosophy (just to discuss the point a bit).  From keen observation of the trouble competitors report with these things the following points emerge for me:

1) Crash recoverability is important - in that I mean the navigation tower tends to take the brunt of many crashes.  You need to try as  far as possible make the whole thing - including the wiring - in fact especially the wiring - as resistant as possible to crashes, but equally important it should be as easy as possible to recover from a crash.   So wires and connections etc must be readily accessible for checking/replacing etc.
2) Navigation wiring failure is a major point failure I think from what I see on the various sites.  Again, robust wiring - ie good thick, well insulated/protected wires, solid vibration proof connections, routing of wires to avoid pinching and chafing.   As well as accessible wires and connections reduce issues from wear and tear as well as make problem solving easy.

Just a few thoughts.  Its easier to postulate than implement but its worth keeping these issues in mind maybe?

I think this is an issue which often overlooked in rally bikes, especially home builds.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 19, 2014, 04:52:06 pm
Very nice work - that Aurora is a piece of beauty... Look forward to perving it.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 19, 2014, 05:09:47 pm
Steve, you are my hero bru!! :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Thanks so much for all of this serious grunt work and testing. That light looks really amazing!! :thumleft: :thumleft:

That Aurora road book is really something else. Its being tested by the Honda racing team and a number of other people around the world, including myself. It was designed by another rally nut from Greece by the name of Dimitri, who has spend no less than 2 years engineering a vitually indestructible road book. I don´t believe its commercially available yet.  One of the nicest things about it is that the rollers can be taken out of the holder and roll on the road book away from the bike. You can also mark it up on the rollers, which makes it ideal for someone setting a course. :deal: http://www.aurora-rally.com/ (http://www.aurora-rally.com/)



Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on October 19, 2014, 06:50:45 pm
Nice one Steve!


Does anyone know the size of the GPS tracker that we gonna need to fit on or in somewhere?
Can I assume that it has it's own power supply (batteries?)?

It''s a Delorme inReach, about the size of two packets of cigarettes. It runs of its own batteries, so you just put it in your pocket.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on October 19, 2014, 07:12:50 pm
Nice job - by the way Baja Designs has all the specs and tech drawings on their website?  ::)
You need to look under the banner 'science of lighting' then data sheets.

I got those, but they give only the major dimensions. The mounting holes of the Squadron XL are not dimensioned. I did OK using a scale print and a ruler, but I had to file the slot a bit to get it to fit.

1) Crash recoverability is important....
2) ..robust wiring - ie good thick, well insulated/protected wires, solid vibration proof connections, routing of wires to avoid pinching and chafing.   As well as accessible wires and connections reduce issues from wear and tear as well as make problem solving easy.....

alanB, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. This is the first bike that I have prepared for a real rally, my bikes are just for gentle dirt road riding. How well I did remains to be seen.
I am a big fan of protective sleeving, both the expanding one and the spiral one, and an even bigger fan of decent crimping tools.
I think the location of the relay/fuse PCBs is not all that great, because accessibility is limited. But it was a trade-off between accessibility and protection. It is a difficult balancing act. One can put the fuses under the seat, like KTM has on the 450RR, but then the loom going to the tower is long and thick. Breaking out on the tower makes for a smaller loom, but  the likelihood of damage in a big off is increased.
The other trade-off was between fully waterproof connectors and crimp tabs. I went with crimp tabs, because it is then possible to do roadside repairs using no tools.
Another trade-off that only time will tell if I got right.....

I'm going to cry like a baby if when BlueBull arrives at the finish.....
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 19, 2014, 08:00:32 pm
I'm doing some last minute re-wiring on my bike too! :) like everything on that bike trying to keep it as simple and light as possible. I'm doing away with multiple fuse boxes and cutting away loom. But as you say... Time will tell! ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2014, 08:27:15 pm
alanB and others - I am guessing that the advantage of the newer generation poly and CF nav towers are not just that they are lighter but also that they flex a bit if they take a knock and return to position?
I really like the BD Squadron lights and have been dreaming of one for my new HP2 … I had their 8" SolTek HID unit on the bike that burnt out.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on October 19, 2014, 08:40:56 pm
I'm doing some last minute re-wiring on my bike too! :) like everything on that bike trying to keep it as simple and light as possible. I'm doing away with multiple fuse boxes and cutting away loom. But as you say... Time will tell! ;)

Your bike also looked very impressive last time I looked  :thumleft:

One of the things I find truly sexy and beautiful about any bike designed for real racing is how simple, light and easy to maintain they are. 

You can see that people who really knew what they were doing spent a lot of time and hard experience working how to get the ultimate balance between performance, reliability and ease of maintenance.  There is absolutely nothing on the bike that isn't there to help get it to the finish line 1st!

You just don't get that on a non racing bike!  In fact you get the exact opposite - which I find repulsive.  All bloated with just for show stuff that has no real purpose other than add weight.  (I still get irritated about the 17 screws necessary to even see the bloody BMW Dakar's aircleaner  :o >:()

Nothing I like better than wondering around a racing garage and perving over the machinery on display. 




Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: alanB on October 19, 2014, 08:47:09 pm
alanB and others - I am guessing that the advantage of the newer generation poly and CF nav towers are not just that they are lighter but also that they flex a bit if they take a knock and return to position?
I really like the BD Squadron lights and have been dreaming of one for my new HP2 … I had their 8" SolTek HID unit on the bike that burnt out.

Ja I suppose polycarb is a lot tougher than fibre glass which just shatters in some cases. 

Those Baja Designs Squadrons are amazing - very pricey the last time I looked.

I think LED's will get cheaper so its probably worth waiting a year or two maybe?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: SteveD on October 19, 2014, 08:51:17 pm
Those Baja Designs Squadrons are amazing - very pricey the last time I looked.

I just got back from a night-time test ride. Donner, that Squadron XL is bright.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2014, 09:47:08 pm
Ja the LED technology is getting cheaper and also advancing very rapidly - the latest generation CREE spot units can put out a claimed 3600 lumen … I had two on my HP2 plus the 8"HID headlight and it was like a Boeing coming in to land  ;D … now if they put 4 of those into the Squadron optics ….  :o :o :o 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 19, 2014, 09:52:36 pm
So fucking depressing!

I stripped 3 cam bridge bolts, that took a whole afternoon and basically almost pulling the engine, found a crack in the exhaust and have a myriad other shit to deal with.

I've never stripped these bolts before and today I get 3!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 19, 2014, 10:36:25 pm
So fucking depressing!

I stripped 3 cam bridge bolts, that took a whole afternoon and basically almost pulling the engine, found a crack in the exhaust and have a myriad other shit to deal with.

I've never stripped these bolts before and today I get 3!

Don't you traditionally engage in a little light bike/engine rebuilding the week before Amageza? Maybe it's a positive omen?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 19, 2014, 10:59:14 pm
alanB and others - I am guessing that the advantage of the newer generation poly and CF nav towers are not just that they are lighter but also that they flex a bit if they take a knock and return to position?
I really like the BD Squadron lights and have been dreaming of one for my new HP2 … I had their 8" SolTek HID unit on the bike that burnt out.

Many of these new nav towers are carbón fibre, and my bash plate is too. Extremly flexible and can really take a hammering. The danger with the toweres is the mountings for the brackets. Invariably these take some strain on highside/lowside and endo incidents and sometimes just get broken into pieces. The fairing definetely helps but its still the biggest weakness on any of these bikes.

Compare that to the handle bar mounted setups that many guys use, which seems to be a lot simpler and cheaper. In many ways its better protected too, except from endo type crashes. There are many other disadvantages mentioned earlier (including having to look down a lot more- whic increases chances of a crash!) but from a destrution POV they are better I think.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scrat on October 20, 2014, 07:14:28 am
So fucking depressing!

I stripped 3 cam bridge bolts, that took a whole afternoon and basically almost pulling the engine, found a crack in the exhaust and have a myriad other shit to deal with.

I've never stripped these bolts before and today I get 3!

Eish - not good!! Good luck there... think we need to meet this friday for a pre- Amageza drink? :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on October 20, 2014, 07:34:10 am
alanB and others - I am guessing that the advantage of the newer generation poly and CF nav towers are not just that they are lighter but also that they flex a bit if they take a knock and return to position?
I really like the BD Squadron lights and have been dreaming of one for my new HP2 … I had their 8" SolTek HID unit on the bike that burnt out.

Many of these new nav towers are carbón fibre, and my bash plate is too. Extremly flexible and can really take a hammering. The danger with the toweres is the mountings for the brackets. Invariably these take some strain on highside/lowside and endo incidents and sometimes just get broken into pieces. The fairing definetely helps but its still the biggest weakness on any of these bikes.

Compare that to the handle bar mounted setups that many guys use, which seems to be a lot simpler and cheaper. In many ways its better protected too, except from endo type crashes. There are many other disadvantages mentioned earlier (including having to look down a lot more- whic increases chances of a crash!) but from a destrution POV they are better I think.

In that case my naked tower should be just fine. Have not been practicing my endo, highside or lowside manuvres, so I will not be attempting any of those. :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 20, 2014, 08:13:07 am
So fucking depressing!

I stripped 3 cam bridge bolts, that took a whole afternoon and basically almost pulling the engine, found a crack in the exhaust and have a myriad other shit to deal with.

I've never stripped these bolts before and today I get 3!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  :o
Shit bud - Hope that you get it all sorted. My 950 is still non functional so shout if you need a part that I can courier to you...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 20, 2014, 10:02:25 am
So fucking depressing!

I stripped 3 cam bridge bolts, that took a whole afternoon and basically almost pulling the engine, found a crack in the exhaust and have a myriad other shit to deal with.

I've never stripped these bolts before and today I get 3!

Don't you traditionally engage in a little light bike/engine rebuilding the week before Amageza? Maybe it's a positive omen?

True, I suppose it's all going to plan then....
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on October 20, 2014, 10:45:19 am
Is there anyone from Gauteng that has space/transport for the Jonathan Blackburn's bike, body & trommel to Upington, and then again back from Cape Town?  He is willing to pay.  He is lad that rode from the UK to SA and taking part.  Have been supporting him here locally, but cannot help with getting to Start line.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 20, 2014, 07:49:32 pm
Today was 38C in Upington.  I see that the extended forecast says it may be much cooler on the 3rd.  Here's hoping...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 20, 2014, 09:36:59 pm
Ja nee, 38 is quite warm...


Did you all see the note from the organization?

One of the filling stations we were going to use is impossible to reach after some dunes shifted on Stage 2. With the filling points 355km from each other, a refill point at kilometer 240. This means that you have to supply the logistics team with a empty 10 liter jerry can on the evening of 4 November 2014.


Boys: I hope you all realize this means we will be riding 240km in sand. Hope you all have fuel capacity for this kind of distance. I would say 25l capacity would be a mínimum, but that is just me.

Oh, and even if you have this range, you´ll be needing 10L of extra fuel in a Jerry can to finish the last 115km to the fuel pump.

What this tells me if is we screw up the nav on Day 2, we will likely not have enough fuel to finish.  :deal:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 20, 2014, 10:06:12 pm
Neil, where did you get this info from?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 20, 2014, 10:15:25 pm
Neil, where did you get this info from?

Came in an email from Alex.

Although it's 240km... I doubt it's all thick sand... But like BB said... Navigation is gonna be very critical.
My bike will be fine....I hope.  Fuel injection and 2 power settings.... Low power can be switched on for if it's getting tight and it sips fuel...... It also runs on fairy dust.....which I happen to have..... And no I'm not sharing  :ricky:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 20, 2014, 10:35:24 pm
^^ Boet, hope you don´t run out of fuel saying something like that..... People here have memories like an elephant  ;D


Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 20, 2014, 10:48:58 pm
^^ Boet, hope you don´t run out of fuel saying something like that..... People here have memories like an elephant  ;D


Hahaha I have a lot more vexing problems...like staying on the bike  :biggrin: and even more vexing..... Managing how sore my ass is gonna be on that brick hard seat of mine!
But point taken.... I retract my statement....running out of fuel is a real worry!!! Bit late now to be worrying haha
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 21, 2014, 05:37:13 am
What Peter's not saying is that his main strategy is simply to stay ahead of Andrew and the fuel tanker, and then to stand on the side of the road, cap in hand, with an empty coke bottle and a really cheesy "how long have we known each other?" look on his face and beg.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 21, 2014, 07:40:22 am
The e-mail also tells me we're doing dunes on day 2 at least - and if they're shifting, then nav might be even trickier

Of course, I'm also assuming that I won't get lost on day 1 ..............................................
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 21, 2014, 08:17:05 am
I'd urge you all to avoid assumptions, good or bad. You know whose momma assumption is.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: wayneh on October 21, 2014, 08:31:52 am
Checkout the 2014 Amageza Rallye press kit... it lays down some more info:  :deal:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxEnvycO3zYzaG9VeDZsSmU2YVk/view?usp=sharing

(also includes some images from previous years, plus a few borrowed words from our friend BlueBull2007)  :thumleft:

 :ricky:

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 21, 2014, 10:20:11 am
Checkout the 2014 Amageza Rallye press kit... it lays down some more info:  :deal:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxEnvycO3zYzaG9VeDZsSmU2YVk/view?usp=sharing

(also includes some images from previous years, plus a few borrowed words from our friend BlueBull2007)  :thumleft:

 :ricky:



Wooly bugger should be along soon

It needs another proof read;

"and perceptively fast warthogs" - deceptively maybe?


Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Buff on October 21, 2014, 10:26:03 am
 :laughing4:

Your perspective on the warthogs speed might change when you see how deceptively fast they are  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 21, 2014, 10:27:09 am
Last year was 2014km over 3 days in total.
This year is 2056km over 5 days in total.

Hmmm, I think the lighter bikes will be having fun.

Last year my average speeds for the stages were;

Stage 1 = 17km/h
Stage 2 = 50kp/h
Stage 3 = 33kp/h
Stage 4 = 66kp/h

I think Alex will be making them all a bit like stage 1 = slow technical and shit for fat pigs like mine.

I'm getting tired just sitting here thinking about it!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 21, 2014, 11:12:51 am
Ja, but not a whole lot of small bikes entered, mostly open class bikes.  So, you'll not be suffering alone. 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 21, 2014, 11:57:24 am
Last year was 2014km over 3 days in total.
This year is 2056km over 5 days in total.

Hmmm, I think the lighter bikes will be having fun.

Last year my average speeds for the stages were;

Stage 1 = 17km/h
Stage 2 = 50kp/h
Stage 3 = 33kp/h
Stage 4 = 66kp/h

I think Alex will be making them all a bit like stage 1 = slow technical and shit for fat pigs like mine.

I'm getting tired just sitting here thinking about it!

I'm getting all warm and fuzzy inside......
But when you see me on the liasons sitting side saddle.....at 100km/hr on a straight tar road..... you are welcome to laugh out loud ;)
Looking forward to catching a beer with you Andrew... Hopefully we can open some gates again together this year  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on October 21, 2014, 12:26:07 pm
Very excited and very much worried now after reading the Press Kit!! Ha ha ha

I think I need to go to the pub now and let all this sink in... :pot:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 21, 2014, 12:28:15 pm

[/quote]

I'm getting all warm and fuzzy inside......
But when you see me on the liasons sitting side saddle.....at 100km/hr on a straight tar road..... you are welcome to laugh out loud ;)
Looking forward to catching a beer with you Andrew... Hopefully we can open some gates again together this year  :thumleft:
[/quote]

I think you need an Airhawk for the liasons  :3some:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 21, 2014, 01:28:42 pm
Im quite surprised - I thought the specials would be a lot longer. Probably glad theyre not! ;D

Sounds like each special is going to be heartache.

This rally is going to hit us where it hurts, getting longer and harder everyday. For those of you like me you´ll want to see the summary:



Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bud500 on October 21, 2014, 01:38:21 pm
Ooh those liaisons with some accumulated fatigue are going to get painful....  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 21, 2014, 02:13:35 pm
Anyone got a spare 10 l jerry can I can borrow? Only have 20 l ones.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 21, 2014, 02:24:22 pm
Fork those liaisons are long! :o  Especially on a small bike they will be a real drag.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on October 21, 2014, 02:25:05 pm
Anyone got a spare 10 l jerry can I can borrow? Only have 20 l ones.

I am pretty sure we wil be able to give them a 20 L one. I also only have 20L ones
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 21, 2014, 02:36:50 pm
They must just fill it halfway.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 21, 2014, 02:47:10 pm
Seventy-five 10l containers will take up a lot of space......
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on October 21, 2014, 03:14:08 pm
Seventy-five 10l containers will take up a lot of space......
fok!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 21, 2014, 03:18:14 pm
Maybe the support crews can carry it for their own riders - AND they might as well help out and carry it for the rest

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 21, 2014, 03:34:55 pm
Maybe the support crews (with trailers etc) won't be able to get to where the refuel is? i.e. In the god forsaken back of beyond, round the corner, over the sand dune mountain at the bottom of the cliff. In a river. At least we won't be thirsty.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on October 21, 2014, 05:32:32 pm
I'm sure teams could share a 20L can??
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 21, 2014, 06:08:57 pm
Do we need our passports again?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on October 21, 2014, 06:12:32 pm
Do we need our passports again?

AFAIK you don't leave this country. Alexander will definitely tell you if you do.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 21, 2014, 06:30:15 pm
And how's Alex gonna know if Kamanya's left the country ........................  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on October 21, 2014, 11:24:44 pm
And how's Alex gonna know if Kamanya's left the country ........................  :ricky:
Knowing Alexander , he will have you all fitted with satalite tracking chips , like they do with dogs ! Lol

With Alexander,, its like Bigbrother is watching you !
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 22, 2014, 03:34:44 am
Its not Alex im worried about, its Steve! He is going to be the Eagle eye on all the bad boys. And believe me you should have seen how easy it was to see where guys were going off piste or too fast last year. Amazing the technology. He will be able to see every centimeter we all ride.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 09:07:59 am
And we will be even stricter this year. We have FIM and MSA looking over our shoulders.

Not to mention keeping promises to local authorities and farmers. :deal:

We want to do this for many years to come.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Roadkill on October 22, 2014, 09:41:57 am
Pleco I have a Q for as I dont want ask Alex now , I have a Zartech 708 radio will this be ok for Amageza 
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Roadkill on October 22, 2014, 09:44:25 am
sorry i have the 705  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 10:25:29 am
Jip. That one will work.

Alex has the programming software to change the channels if needed.

Jip, Alex is running around a little :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Roadkill on October 22, 2014, 12:08:30 pm
thanx pleco  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 12:34:17 pm
Ek kannie meer wag nie. En ek ry nie eers nie ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 22, 2014, 12:59:08 pm
I'm looking forward to the dune sections.  We're going to cross areas that you'll never have access to in the normal run of things.  That's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 22, 2014, 01:52:35 pm
Was thinking about this today too. So much of SA is fenced and private this is going to be one of the real highlights of Amageza. Spiced up by a healthy dose of fear you may be completely lost.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Roadkill on October 22, 2014, 04:23:32 pm
Amageza might as well start tomorrow , I'm worthless at work  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 22, 2014, 05:27:41 pm
Took my bike out today for a run with the new tyres - tar only - it felt really bad - both front AND back are weaving about

And the rimlocks have given me a shake at about 60kph - marvellous

Front Desert and rear C-02, both at about 1.5bar for tar

Can't wait to get on the dirt - then they can weave as much as they want - it'll feel normal

AND some bright spark asked me when last I checked the balancer chain adjustment coz the motor's a bit noisy - never, I answered.

So that's me - gotta dismantle the bloody bike and motor and check the stupid thing .......................  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 22, 2014, 05:31:55 pm
Anyone have an Amageza legal radio they don't mind lending me. If I break, damage or lose I'll replace it. Just not keen to fork out again. My Zartek is buggered, can recieve but not send.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 05:32:35 pm
Doc KLR is around there somewhere as far as I know.

Thats about the only thing that can break on a KLR.

Oh and drill your footpeg bolts right through the frame and put HT bolts and nylocs through them. Had to finish the second half of last day 2012 with left foot on pillion peg.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 05:33:39 pm
Anyone have an Amageza legal radio they don't mind lending me. If I break, damage or lose I'll replace it. Just not keen to fork out again. My Zartek is buggered, can recieve but not send.

That was buggered last year already :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 22, 2014, 06:53:34 pm
Took my bike out today for a run with the new tyres - tar only - it felt really bad - both front AND back are weaving about

And the rimlocks have given me a shake at about 60kph - marvellous

Front Desert and rear C-02, both at about 1.5bar for tar

Can't wait to get on the dirt - then they can weave as much as they want - it'll feel normal

AND some bright spark asked me when last I checked the balancer chain adjustment coz the motor's a bit noisy - never, I answered.

So that's me - gotta dismantle the bloody bike and motor and check the stupid thing .......................  ::)

The C02 needs some riding on tar before it settles and then is great and tough.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 22, 2014, 07:13:31 pm
Took my bike out today for a run with the new tyres - tar only - it felt really bad - both front AND back are weaving about

And the rimlocks have given me a shake at about 60kph - marvellous

Front Desert and rear C-02, both at about 1.5bar for tar

Can't wait to get on the dirt - then they can weave as much as they want - it'll feel normal

AND some bright spark asked me when last I checked the balancer chain adjustment coz the motor's a bit noisy - never, I answered.

So that's me - gotta dismantle the bloody bike and motor and check the stupid thing .......................  ::)

The C02 needs some riding on tar before it settles and then is great and tough.

Don't worry. Not a lot of tar involved :ricky:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on October 22, 2014, 07:15:18 pm
The long liaisons will do the job  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 22, 2014, 10:25:12 pm
What exactly do we do on a liaison - it's not just a dirt-road ride with a bit of nav is it?

I'm reading about all this super-food and juice we're supposed to eat but surely we don't need all that when we're dawdling along at 120 on a sand road.

Or is all this superman food just for the specials?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 23, 2014, 05:53:37 am
Least you have time to think about the liaisons! Im in a panic here after my supplier for mousses dumped me this morning. Sorry - nothing until mid november! And apparently there are no mousses in RSA at all!!?

So I stripped out four old mousses from my KTM rally bike here in Peru this afternoon. Theyre only like 2 yrs old and used, so they should last....NOT!  :snorting:  :lol8: What choice to i have? Tubes I suppose. Holy moly. Punchas. Ag nee man.  Theyre in a plastic bag which is going on the plane with me in a few hours to Spain. :P Going to be fun explain that one to Spanish Customs: On my way to rally in Africa - yeah right!

Going to be doing some work in Spain over the weekend and then on Tuesday i fly to south Africa. WOOOOHOOOO!! Get to relax on the plane and then its going to be a mad rushing around like a bunny finding mousses and mousse lube among a whole lot of other stuff as well.

I think I should be ready for a rest by the 1st of Nov. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 23, 2014, 06:23:03 am
Myself and multiple others are running Tubliss if you don't come right with mousses. I know it's a contentious choice, and mousse is the rally standard, but it's much better than tubes in my book. I love them, and you can run nice low pressure for great traction.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on October 23, 2014, 07:14:17 am
Liaisons suck.  There's a speed limit, sometimes 80 or 100.  So you have to sit at 80 on a dirt highway or get a speed penalty.  However, there is a target time for the start of the special, therefore you essentially have a time limit for the liaison.  Arrive late the special, you get a massive penalty.  So you have to toggle continuously between distance and speed on the ICO. I find that I stress more in the liaison.  At least in the special you can ignore the speed.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 23, 2014, 07:39:44 am
A thought has just occured to me in the the tube/tubeliss/mousse discussion : -

If I have a puncture on a liaison I'll not only be sweating to death in the sun, trying to remove a UHD tube, I'll also be penalised for being late at the special.

And if I speed after the puncture, to make up time, I'll get penalised for that as well.

And that will be stress ..........  :o :o

Good luck with your trip, BB - are you the only international rider gracing our shores?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 07:45:00 am
And apparently there are no mousses in RSA at all!!?

Very unlikely. Maybe not Michelin, but should be some others.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 07:46:25 am
And that will be stress ..........  :o :o

What stress oom? I thought you are going for a relaxed five day trip, enjoying the scenery on the way?

Or are you looking to put that green beast on the podium?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Nitro on October 23, 2014, 08:01:02 am
I got dropped for my mousses aswell.
Flying some in from France, which is costing me an extra R3000

Where can we find the regs ??
The new website sucks.

Is a neck brace compulsory??
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 08:13:10 am
Liaisons suck.  There's a speed limit, sometimes 80 or 100.  So you have to sit at 80 on a dirt highway or get a speed penalty.  However, there is a target time for the start of the special, therefore you essentially have a time limit for the liaison.  Arrive late the special, you get a massive penalty.  So you have to toggle continuously between distance and speed on the ICO. I find that I stress more in the liaison.  At least in the special you can ignore the speed.

Liaison speed limit is national road speed limit. Gravel roads normally 100. It means you have to be a little faster in the corners :ricky:

Use your GPS. Set up fields on the display. AVG speed, speed, distance to next waypoint, heading. Thats a lot of info for good use right there.

We were lucky enough to ride back up for Darryl and Riaan last year, and had a chance to compare their track with mine that I rode 2 weeks later to go and mark some hazards. I lost 20kph in about every corner to them. The 1200s top speed helped stuff all. It was in the corners that they made up. They were 2 hours faster than I was over 160km. So the speed limit won't bother you if you don't slow in the corners.

BBull's advice about practicing on a MX track is very good. Its the best place to learn to corner.

The main thing for your start time limit and target start time is to get everybody to start the special before we close the checkpoint. Gotta get 77 riders through, starting 2 to 3 mins apart. Thats about 3 hours. So the last guy has 3 hours less time to complete the special than the 1st guy.

And the last guy is the guy that will need the extra time.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 08:30:26 am
Where can we find the regs ??

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySSjxmITS8jVmdkZkMzWkxkS2s/edit?usp=sharing

The new website sucks.

Yes

Is a neck brace compulsory??

Yes
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 08:34:09 am
The main thing for your start time limit and target start time is to get everybody to start the special before we close the checkpoint. Gotta get 77 riders through, starting 2 to 3 mins apart. Thats about 3 hours. So the last guy has 3 hours less time to complete the special than the 1st guy.

And the last guy is the guy that will need the extra time.

Why can we not start the special in as soon as you get there? How does the Dakar work?

Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 08:43:19 am
On the radios:

It is imperative that every entrant have a hand radio capable of broadcasting on the PMR channels. The
channel to monitor and call on would be what is normally channel 1 at frequency 446.00625. Each radio
needs to have a maximum emergency broadcast power of at least 3W

Straight out of the regs.

The cheap Zarteks only transmit at 0.5W, which will be useless in this instance. If you can program your radios, then program channel 1 accordingly.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 08:47:39 am
The main thing for your start time limit and target start time is to get everybody to start the special before we close the checkpoint. Gotta get 77 riders through, starting 2 to 3 mins apart. Thats about 3 hours. So the last guy has 3 hours less time to complete the special than the 1st guy.

And the last guy is the guy that will need the extra time.

Why can we not start the special in as soon as you get there? How does the Dakar work?



The second reason for the timeslots are for us to keep track. The Marshals will have to work down a list of 77 riders. if the guys start jumping around their time slots, it will be quite chaotic to keep track who is missing.

If you are very late, and no one infront of you, you will be stopped, checked in and waved through. No wait.

If you are early in the Dakar, you get penalized as well. :deal: Use the extra time to catch a breather and triple check everything and top up on water. Extra time will be in short supply. Use it wisely.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 09:00:20 am
Guys, Please remember to keep it nice and professional with the Marshals. Everybody will be tired and frustrated by end of day 3. Some before then.

You can read my report on the Marshall's view from behind the scenes from last year. It gets hectic. Alex is feeling sorry for us this year, so he has rearranged the logistics so we can all get a little extra sleep. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: markdiver on October 23, 2014, 09:05:25 am
BB - have sourced 2 new rear Bib mousses for you, now to find fronts.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 23, 2014, 09:28:16 am
BB - have sourced 2 new rear Bib mousses for you, now to find fronts.

Try Renz.
I bought the last 3 fronts they had a few weeks ago - but worth a check
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 10:23:29 am
You can read my report on the Marshall's view from behind the scenes from last year.

Good read, thanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 23, 2014, 10:26:38 am
Guys, Please remember to keep it nice and professional with the Marshals. Everybody will be tired and frustrated by end of day 3. Some before then.

You can read my report on the Marshall's view from behind the scenes from last year. It gets hectic. Alex is feeling sorry for us this year, so he has rearranged the logistics so we can all get a little extra sleep. :thumleft:

Last year you guys were frikken amazing! It made the entire event a pleasure to be part of. With the bigger field your work is gonna be cut out for you!

On the timed start thing... I'm 100% for this! It stops the stress in the liasons. You just stick to the speed limits and you cruise. there is no passing and no sitting in dust and no racing... you will get there in time if you just ride as per the map book. If someone flies past you.....they will get penalties for sure. This also ensures that the faster riders stay in front of the pack for the SS and makes for less dust, less passing and just more racing of awesomeness. Anyone can be fast on a liason..... but you want the guys who are fast on the SS to be in front.... read Riaan Van Niekerk... who I see is now coming!!! woohoo

in other news... can anyone else actually concentrate at work?!?!?! I'm struggling here
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 23, 2014, 10:33:51 am
in other news... can anyone else actually concentrate at work?!?!?! I'm struggling here

No chance. I should be fired.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 11:03:34 am
Check with Darryl Curtiss about Mooses

If anybody knows, he will.

http://www.banditsigns.co.za/contact-us/ (http://www.banditsigns.co.za/contact-us/)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Minora on October 23, 2014, 11:10:51 am
Some news from FB:

#BreakingNews @dakarrally legend @Riaan_vniekerk has just been added to the 2014 #Amageza entry list! #Rally #ktmfactory #southafrica

(http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Minora11/ralli-dakar-2013-53_zpsfe22e66c.jpg) (http://s826.photobucket.com/user/Minora11/media/ralli-dakar-2013-53_zpsfe22e66c.jpg.html)

(http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Minora11/1654068_762339800468431_604288388629678979_n_zpsfc0dbc95.jpg) (http://s826.photobucket.com/user/Minora11/media/1654068_762339800468431_604288388629678979_n_zpsfc0dbc95.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 11:13:59 am
Some news from FB:

#BreakingNews @dakarrally legend @Riaan_vniekerk has just been added to the 2014 #Amageza entry list! #Rally #ktmfactory #southafrica

I see Malle Moto class.

No team backup. Giving you guys a chance.
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on October 23, 2014, 11:26:02 am
... Giving you guys a chance ...

Of wondering which way he went?
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bud500 on October 23, 2014, 11:31:36 am
... Giving you guys a chance ...

Of wondering which way he went?

 :lol8: :laughing4:

Its funny coz its true...
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 11:47:17 am
Jip. You see him in the first few corners. then again at camp have an ice cold one. :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on October 23, 2014, 12:38:53 pm
Agg kak, now I'll have to settle for second then. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Cracker on October 23, 2014, 01:04:16 pm
in other news... can anyone else actually concentrate at work?!?!?! I'm struggling here

No chance. I should be fired.

Yep, work is a waste of time at the moment - I think I might leave JHB next Tuesday or Wednesday and have a leisurely stroll down to Upington ............. you know, to get back into the holiday groove  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: bonova on October 23, 2014, 01:45:01 pm
Some news from FB:

#BreakingNews @dakarrally legend @Riaan_vniekerk has just been added to the 2014 #Amageza entry list! #Rally #ktmfactory #southafrica

I see Malle Moto class.

No team backup. Giving you guys a chance.

Bwahahaha. At least now The rest of us don't need to bother racing..... Gonna be a leisurely stroll  :ricky:
And he'll have finished changing his own tyres and servicing his bike...and showering...and having a beer...and skyping and twittering and having a snooze by the time I get in so maybe he can help me :) it's all about the fans you know!
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on October 23, 2014, 01:56:47 pm
in other news... can anyone else actually concentrate at work?!?!?! I'm struggling here

No chance. I should be fired.

Yep, work is a waste of time at the moment - I think I might leave JHB next Tuesday or Wednesday and have a leisurely stroll down to Upington ............. you know, to get back into the holiday groove  :thumleft:

I have also been useless at work. thinking of sacking myself by now. :lol8:
Title: Re: 2014 Amageza Cross-Country Rallye
Post by: Pleco on October 23, 2014, 02:23:11 pm
Darryl only finished 5th in 2012. He was all serious day one even telling Tau he is going the wrong way, while he got a little lost himself. Day 2 he chilled and rode with the bunch and even helped so