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Title: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Slaaiblaar on January 20, 2014, 10:29:55 am
5000km and they need replacement........WTF????

I drive from PTA to Centurion 80% of the Km on Highway.

How many k's did you get on rear brake pads
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on January 20, 2014, 10:32:29 am
I had 6 500 K's on mine when I traded it, was not a problem yet
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: HermanH on January 20, 2014, 10:33:48 am
I've got 12,500km and they still don't need replacement  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 20, 2014, 12:34:05 pm
9300 still going


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Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: corriej on January 20, 2014, 12:58:11 pm
Check here:

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22820261&highlight=rear+brake#post22820261 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22820261&highlight=rear+brake#post22820261)

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Originally Posted by pebe  View Post
After reading Duffs post and more particularly
"Rear brake pads were found to be prematurely worn. Organic pads removed and replaced by sintered pads under warranty."
(I remember our bikes where delivered about the same date...)

Went out and checked mine.
@6300km (~3900miles) mine are "gone"
just a fraction and it will be metal to metal
I never use the rear brake... (the bike does itself so why should I...)

Contacted my dealer and they are unaware about brakepads being replaced under waranty  (Belgium)

Can some of you please provide me details regarding the waranty replacement? (could help me to discuss the issue with my dealer)
(I don't think brakepads "should" be gone after that distance...)

Anyway, i'll have my pads replaced today!
(waranty discussions are to be taken care off later)
I have no exact details, but my dealer made me sign a paper for it and they sent it to BMW.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 20, 2014, 02:15:28 pm
There was an issue with some rear pads from the earlier K50 batches but that changed from mid year 2013 already. If your bike was manufactured July onwards by my estimates it should be OK on rear brakes but I may be wrong.

The thread from advrider stopped talking about the wear on rear brakes last year already, I have been tracking it out of interest.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BennNevis on January 20, 2014, 02:18:05 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 20, 2014, 02:25:01 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms


BennNevis, how much did you get on your LC locally?
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BennNevis on January 20, 2014, 03:29:03 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms


BennNevis, how much did you get on your LC locally?

around 7K
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Nox on January 21, 2014, 08:56:52 pm
Its not only the earlier batches, SGBs went on 5000 km.

I have a theory on this, hear me out pls-:

The throttle mode adjusts the Abs and traction control function aswell.

Given that and the fact that you use the rear brake more aggresively on gravel, I would assume the germans made Enduro and Enduro pro mode brake harder at the rear, compared to rain, road and dynamic.

This will mean by riding in Enduro, will wear the rear pads quicker.

Will this be possible, or am I overthinking this?

I am waiting for my LC and will test it.

Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 21, 2014, 09:33:26 pm
The brakes are not linked in Enduro Pro, if the rear woks harder it would be because you press harder.

Most brake issues reported was in Europe and the bikes were riding tar. BennNevis actually experienced this first hand during a tour on K50's in Europe.

The other challenge is to explain how some of us have done 10000km or more without need for replacement. My bike is only used for DS riding, no commuting and off tar is always in enduro pro.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Slaaiblaar on January 22, 2014, 04:05:55 pm
BMW said that it was caused by my driving style, the colour of the disc was used to come to this conclusion.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Nox on February 03, 2014, 09:06:48 pm
The brakes are not linked in Enduro Pro, if the rear woks harder it would be because you press harder.

Most brake issues reported was in Europe and the bikes were riding tar. BennNevis actually experienced this first hand during a tour on K50's in Europe.

The other challenge is to explain how some of us have done 10000km or more without need for replacement. My bike is only used for DS riding, no commuting and off tar is always in enduro pro.

Put your bike in EnduroPro, disable ABS and TRACTION control.

You will be able to slide the rear wheel on gravel by only pulling the front brake lever.

ABS is disabled, but combined braking distribution is not disabled.

My theory is that the combined braking is adjusted when you you select different modes.

My bike is still relatively new, but I will test this in months to come.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 03, 2014, 09:10:55 pm
The brakes are not linked in Enduro Pro, if the rear woks harder it would be because you press harder.

Most brake issues reported was in Europe and the bikes were riding tar. BennNevis actually experienced this first hand during a tour on K50's in Europe.

The other challenge is to explain how some of us have done 10000km or more without need for replacement. My bike is only used for DS riding, no commuting and off tar is always in enduro pro.

Put your bike in EnduroPro, disable ABS and TRACTION control.

You will be able to slide the rear wheel on gravel by only pulling the front brake lever.

ABS is disabled, but combined braking distribution is not disabled.

My theory is that the combined braking is adjusted when you you select different modes.

My bike is still relatively new, but I will test this in months to come.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=144135.0
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 03, 2014, 09:16:48 pm
Combined braking is always enabled, Enduro Pro disables ABS on the rear brake if the rear brake pedal is used.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on April 06, 2014, 07:01:18 pm
I've got a late 2013 model, with steering damper,etc. It had 3000 km on the odo when I got it from the dealer-is on 6000 km today. I've done about 1000 km in Enduro mode. Rear brake pads on the metal- disc scored. I anticipate an interesting discussion with the dealer tomorrow if the term "riding style" is used.




Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on April 16, 2014, 03:39:39 pm
My brake pads and disc were replaced by Continental P.E. free of charge and they gave me a loan bike for the few days they were waiting for a disc. Good service from them. They could not find any technical reason for the premature wear. Disc was also blue from over heating, but to be expected seeing one pad was on the metal and the other had a few micron of friction material left.

I contacted BMW SA to determine the root cause of the problem as I do not want a re-occurance of the problem in 6 000 km. BMW SA they are not aware of the problem and have not been informed by BMW AG. Besides the WD posts I sent them extracts from US & UK forums where the problem is also experienced.
Anybody else experience the problem?
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: ExploreSA on September 29, 2014, 09:35:47 am
Trudie's 2014 LC is always in ROAD mode and she seldom if ever apply rear brake.

How will one know if there is a problem on wear (without looking obviously) while riding? Will there be a sound or smoke or any indication at all?
None of us are really thinking of the rear brakes when using the front.

All my boxers (Oilies) have never required rear pads before at least 30k km and this "less than 10k" talk worries me.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on September 29, 2014, 09:57:41 am
Trudie's 2014 LC is always in ROAD mode and she seldom if ever apply rear brake.

How will one know if there is a problem on wear (without looking obviously) while riding? Will there be a sound or smoke or any indication at all?
None of us are really thinking of the rear brakes when using the front.

All my boxers (Oilies) have never required rear pads before at least 30k km and this "less than 10k" talk worries me.

The only way to visually inspect without removing the calliper is from behind the bike while stationary. Mine seems OK so far at nearly 10000km.

My 2013 also had no issues up to 10000km when it was traded.

I have very little mechanical sympathy and find it surprising that I have not needed new pads yet.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on September 29, 2014, 11:18:09 am
Trudie's 2014 LC is always in ROAD mode and she seldom if ever apply rear brake.

How will one know if there is a problem on wear (without looking obviously) while riding? Will there be a sound or smoke or any indication at all?
None of us are really thinking of the rear brakes when using the front.

All my boxers (Oilies) have never required rear pads before at least 30k km and this "less than 10k" talk worries me.

Remember that the rear brake works even if not applied due to the duel braking system.

I have not checked my LC close enough yet, but the previous model had marks on the retaining pin showing wear on the pads.  Sort of a 90%, 60% and 30% wear marker.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on September 29, 2014, 11:52:13 am
Trudie's 2014 LC is always in ROAD mode and she seldom if ever apply rear brake.

How will one know if there is a problem on wear (without looking obviously) while riding? Will there be a sound or smoke or any indication at all?
None of us are really thinking of the rear brakes when using the front.

All my boxers (Oilies) have never required rear pads before at least 30k km and this "less than 10k" talk worries me.

Remember that the rear brake works even if not applied due to the duel braking system.

I have not checked my LC close enough yet, but the previous model had marks on the retaining pin showing wear on the pads.  Sort of a 90%, 60% and 30% wear marker.

Indeed, and if you have a Nav V connected, you can look at the stats afterwards and see exactly how many times you used which brake, although front brake is used most of the time, even in enduro mode and doing offroad.

You will note that even just using front break, the stats show about 40% of all braking is the back in any event. When doing gravel and in enduro mode, the front is used about 30% and the back the rest, although you omly used front brake on most occassions.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BennNevis on September 29, 2014, 01:44:08 pm
FFS how does nobody at BMW SA or Germany apparently not know. It is an issue!

Two years in a row on our Alpine road tour to Motorrad days in Garmish were there bikes that required brake pad replacement during the tour.

I replaced mine in Italy at a Honda dealership  who had stock of BMW parts as it is a common problem. With the replacement pads I managed not even 2000kms when they had to be replaced again by BMW. Admittedly we did Stelvio Pass twice up and down and were riding much harder and faster than just touring. The brakes are linked and no matter how you brake, especially in road and dynamic mode, the rear brakes get activated
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on September 29, 2014, 01:57:56 pm
FFS how does nobody at BMW SA or Germany apparently not know. It is an issue!

Two years in a row on our Alpine road tour to Motorrad days in Garmish were there bikes that required brake pad replacement during the tour.

I replaced mine in Italy at a Honda dealership  who had stock of BMW parts as it is a common problem. With the replacement pads I managed not even 2000kms when they had to be replaced again by BMW. Admittedly we did Stelvio Pass twice up and down and were riding much harder and faster than just touring. The brakes are linked and no matter how you brake, especially in road and dynamic mode, the rear brakes get activated

Short life span on rears is nothing new.  I found the pads on my 2009 didn't last that long either.  Around 10000km.  Even less if pads for KTM or Honda, that also fitted BMW caliper as they had less meat on them.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 02, 2014, 08:05:26 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: OomD on October 02, 2014, 08:12:21 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Strange, my Nav also shows a higher usage count of the rear brake, while I definitely use the front more. Another stupid thing is that you have to remove the Nav form the cradle to see these stats. Someone didn't think this through.
Title: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 02, 2014, 08:54:36 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Strange, my Nav also shows a higher usage count of the rear brake, while I definitely use the front more. Another stupid thing is that you have to remove the Nav form the cradle to see these stats. Someone didn't think this through.

I think they thought long and hard about looking at these stats and the risk associated. This way they are relatively sure it is only done when you are not riding the bike.

The brakes are linked and will always first start with the rear milli seconds before the front. If you feather the brake lever, chances are only the rear is activated resulting in the higher rear brake activation count.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: OomD on October 02, 2014, 09:45:42 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Strange, my Nav also shows a higher usage count of the rear brake, while I definitely use the front more. Another stupid thing is that you have to remove the Nav form the cradle to see these stats. Someone didn't think this through.

I think they thought long and hard about looking at these stats and the risk associated. This way they are relatively sure it is only done when you are not riding the bike.

The brakes are linked and will always first start with the rear milli seconds before the front. If you feather the break lever, chances are only the rear is activated resulting in the higher rear brake activation count.
Or maybe the front activating the rear adds to the count, as does your foot on the pedal. On which case the rear will almost always have a higher count than the front... unless you don't use the rear (pedal) at all.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: OomD on October 02, 2014, 09:55:20 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Strange, my Nav also shows a higher usage count of the rear brake, while I definitely use the front more. Another stupid thing is that you have to remove the Nav form the cradle to see these stats. Someone didn't think this through.

I think they thought long and hard about looking at these stats and the risk associated. This way they are relatively sure it is only done when you are not riding the bike.

The brakes are linked and will always first start with the rear milli seconds before the front. If you feather the break lever, chances are only the rear is activated resulting in the higher rear brake activation count.
Jaaa, I dunno hey. They could've simply restricted it to when your speed is 0, or the engine is not running. It makes it stupid because for this you need to have the unit removed, but for the info screen you need to have the unit attached. They are not that different, both screens give you a lot of information to look at, both can equally distract you.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on October 02, 2014, 10:28:11 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???

Your bike have linked braking.  Touch the front brake and the rear also engages.

As for the Nav stats, I can't say for sure, but just think how often you do touch the rear pedal in a normal day. 
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 03, 2014, 07:44:33 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???
Strange, my Nav also shows a higher usage count of the rear brake, while I definitely use the front more. Another stupid thing is that you have to remove the Nav form the cradle to see these stats. Someone didn't think this through.

I think they thought long and hard about looking at these stats and the risk associated. This way they are relatively sure it is only done when you are not riding the bike.

The brakes are linked and will always first start with the rear milli seconds before the front. If you feather the break lever, chances are only the rear is activated resulting in the higher rear brake activation count.
Jaaa, I dunno hey. They could've simply restricted it to when your speed is 0, or the engine is not running. It makes it stupid because for this you need to have the unit removed, but for the info screen you need to have the unit attached. They are not that different, both screens give you a lot of information to look at, both can equally distract you.

I agree with you 100% OomD  ???
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 03, 2014, 07:46:06 am
I only ever use the front brake on my bike. The only time I really ever use the rear brake is when I'm pulling off from a very steep incline and don't want to roll backwards.

I had a look on my BMW Navigator V yesterday and found that according to the GPS I've used the front brake around 4,000 times ... & the rear brake around 7,000 times  ???

Your bike have linked braking.  Touch the front brake and the rear also engages.

As for the Nav stats, I can't say for sure, but just think how often you do touch the rear pedal in a normal day. 

You're probably right AMZ - I must actually make a mental note to check how often I touch the rear brake.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: K-9 on October 04, 2014, 12:36:25 pm
GSA LC I replaced the back pads at 9200kms, i saw it coming so i carried spares. (just in-time and it was nearly metal to metal) and carry a spare in my topbox.

agree the GPS i think it is a safety thing, so you have to be stopped to view the stats.

and i think when you pull the front brake it counts as a one front and one back and the foot brake you touch anyway so three counts.  but i need to check it.


Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: K-9 on November 17, 2014, 02:36:11 pm
GSA LC:  first pads changed at 9200 kms, second set of pads changed at 17822 kms.  so only did 8622 kms on the second set.  both sets of pads changed with very little meat left.  according to the GPS i use the back slightly more than the front. 
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 17, 2014, 05:01:28 pm
I am on 11000km and my first set of rear pads. Clearly I brake less than average.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on November 17, 2014, 06:47:15 pm
On 12400 and also still first set.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on November 18, 2014, 03:45:36 am
Mine is just over 9 000km's and also still on the first set
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: K-9 on November 21, 2014, 09:01:49 am
i have been thinking about the pad wear.

90% of my riding on the GSA LC is two up, with full boxes, my GSA LC is for pleasure trips ONLY.  That could be why only get about 9300 kms on a pad.

i have a GS800 for daily use, short trips and going to Durban and back.

also as i ride two bikes i don't want get into the habit of using (connected) front brakes only.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 28, 2014, 10:09:48 am
I am on 12000km and starting a 4000km trip today. Had the rear pads checked by BMW and still have 70% left.

I clearly do not use my brakes :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2014, 10:20:56 am
I am on 12000km and starting a 4000km trip today. Had the rear pads checked by BMW and still have 70% left.

I clearly do not use my brakes :thumleft:

You need to go faster than 10km/h to need brakes Sir Moer.   :ricky:

I am at 7000km.  No idea how much I have left as I keep forgetting to check.  The better half is at 16 000km and going, but she rides like a girl .... or Knormoer. 
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on November 28, 2014, 01:06:06 pm
I am on 12000km and starting a 4000km trip today. Had the rear pads checked by BMW and still have 70% left.

I clearly do not use my brakes :thumleft:

You need to go faster than 10km/h to need brakes Sir Moer.   :ricky:

I am at 7000km.  No idea how much I have left as I keep forgetting to check.  The better half is at 16 000km and going, but she rides like a girl .... or Knormoer. 

Yes :imaposer:

You realize the brakes are for slowing down, I do not do that too often which is evident when you look at my rear tyre wear :deal:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2014, 01:56:49 pm

Yes :imaposer:

You realize the brakes are for slowing down, I do not do that too often which is evident when you look at my rear tyre wear :deal:

OH!  Is that what they are for?  I thought it is just so we can brag about ABS and stuff.   :ricky:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: plaky on February 05, 2015, 04:18:26 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms


I got the first LC when launched from Donford. I commute every day from n/Subs to Woodstock, 25km one way. I got 10 000km from the back brakes. I had a steering oscillation problem from 2000km and at 14 000km BMW did a buy back deal for me and I got a brand new bike, this time with steering damper and cruise control. I got the new bike in August last year. New bike has 6000km on the clock and so far no brake pad issues I aware of.  I don't use my back brakes when commuting, so to me 10 000kn is kak mileage for back brakes!
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 06, 2015, 01:47:16 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms


I got the first LC when launched from Donford. I commute every day from n/Subs to Woodstock, 25km one way. I got 10 000km from the back brakes. I had a steering oscillation problem from 2000km and at 14 000km BMW did a buy back deal for me and I got a brand new bike, this time with steering damper and cruise control. I got the new bike in August last year. New bike has 6000km on the clock and so far no brake pad issues I aware of.  I don't use my back brakes when commuting, so to me 10 000kn is kak mileage for back brakes!

I'm on 20000km with the first set of rear pads :thumleft:


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Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 06, 2015, 02:02:59 pm
Problem on some early bikes
3 bikes on our tour of Germany with LC's had to have their rear pads replaced at around 4K
And at the time a discussion with the workshop doing the replacement confirmed that they had done quite a few bikes at very low kms


I got the first LC when launched from Donford. I commute every day from n/Subs to Woodstock, 25km one way. I got 10 000km from the back brakes. I had a steering oscillation problem from 2000km and at 14 000km BMW did a buy back deal for me and I got a brand new bike, this time with steering damper and cruise control. I got the new bike in August last year. New bike has 6000km on the clock and so far no brake pad issues I aware of.  I don't use my back brakes when commuting, so to me 10 000kn is kak mileage for back brakes!

I'm on 20000km with the first set of rear pads :thumleft:


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I am now at 12 500 Km's with my first set of brake pads.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on February 06, 2015, 02:22:45 pm
I am at 16500 km with original pads as well
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 06, 2015, 02:35:26 pm
I am at 16500 km with original pads as well

Lyk my nie ons gebruik eintlik die remme nie >:D
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on February 06, 2015, 02:45:45 pm
I am at 16500 km with original pads as well

Lyk my nie ons gebruik eintlik die remme nie >:D

Nope - net die oor
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Lord Knormoer on February 06, 2015, 07:57:06 pm
Ja, na 20000km het ek 5 agterbande opgery maar nog nie brieke vervang nie :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on February 07, 2015, 08:49:06 am
Op 16 000 km is reeds deur my eerste stel agter "disc en pads". Huidige pads het 1.0 mm " friction" materiaal- skat ongeveer 1 000 km oor. Wag vir Bmw SA om op te verklaar hoe ek disc skade moet vermy siende dat pads nie 10 000 km maak nie.  Nav stats wys ek het 168 vs. 465 voor vs. agter remme gebruik. Soos enige normale ou  gebruik ek hoofsaaklik voor remme. Ek vermoed die problleem het iets te doen met die " brake force distribution front to rear" wanneer  voor remme gebruik.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 16, 2015, 04:14:57 pm
Ek wonder of die agter rem nie per ongeluk heeltyd getrap word omdat die "pedaal'' te hoog gestel is vir staan en ry nie?
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Ouman on February 16, 2015, 04:26:21 pm
Ek is op 15000km met die oorspronklike pads.  Moet bysÍ - wonder of ek in al daardie kilos 10 keer my voet op die agterpedaal gesit het. Die rem wat ek van voor af kry is genoeg vir my
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 16, 2015, 04:57:10 pm
Wanneer ek die agter rem gebruik is dit gewoonlik om die agterwiel te sluit  >:D :imaposer:
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on February 16, 2015, 07:20:14 pm
Julle klink net soos BMW/handelaar! My 2004 GS het my 30 000 km gegee- my "riding style" het nie verander nie.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on February 19, 2015, 06:57:38 am
Julle klink net soos BMW/handelaar! My 2004 GS het my 30 000 km gegee- my "riding style" het nie verander nie.

Maar!

My 09 en my vrou se 09 het nie sommer verder as 15000km op agterbrieke gegaan nie.

My 14 is nou op 10000km (tydens diens reken hulle nog 4000km) en my vrou se 14 op 18000km en ons het ook nie rystyl verander nie.

Het die 04 al linked braking gehad?
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 19, 2015, 10:36:28 am
Julle klink net soos BMW/handelaar! My 2004 GS het my 30 000 km gegee- my "riding style" het nie verander nie.

Maar!

My 09 en my vrou se 09 het nie sommer verder as 15000km op agterbrieke gegaan nie.

My 14 is nou op 10000km (tydens diens reken hulle nog 4000km) en my vrou se 14 op 18000km en ons het ook nie rystyl verander nie.

Het die 04 al linked braking gehad?

Ek dink jy slaan die spyker op die kop!
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on February 19, 2015, 05:43:41 pm
Ek glo nie die 2004 het "linked braking" gehad nie. Dit is wat my betref irrelevant. My verwagting is dat die kalibrasie van die "brake force distribution front to rear" van so n aard is dat ek nie met n agter rem slytasie probleem sit nie.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 20, 2015, 06:31:27 am
Vir my is dit normaal as die '''pads'' elke 15 000 km's, of meer, vervang moet word. My agter remme het ongeveer 50 % oor op 12 500 km's, wat ek nie dink sleg is nie?

Normale slytasie?
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2015, 06:39:22 pm
Ek glo nie die 2004 het "linked braking" gehad nie. Dit is wat my betref irrelevant. My verwagting is dat die kalibrasie van die "brake force distribution front to rear" van so n aard is dat ek nie met n agter rem slytasie probleem sit nie.

Ek dink weer dit is uiters relevant.  Op jou 04 kon jy kies om nooit jou agterwiel te gebruik bie.  Op die kinked braking modelle werk die agterwiel altyd.  Ongeag hoe dit gekalibreer is sal dit nie so lank hou nie.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on February 24, 2015, 07:36:02 pm
Vir my is dit normaal as die '''pads'' elke 15 000 km's, of meer, vervang moet word. My agter remme het ongeveer 50 % oor op 12 500 km's, wat ek nie dink sleg is nie?

Normale slytasie?
Jy moet hom net dophou. My laaste 50% het soos blits gegaan binne 2000 kilo's as ek reg skat
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: genie on February 24, 2015, 07:57:23 pm
Ek verstaan dat dit relevant is dat die 2004 nie linked braking gehad het nie. Wat ek met irrelevant bedoel is dat die pads ten minste 12 000 km moet hou sodat dit die diensinterval oorskry!
BMWSA het vandag nuwe keramiek pads opgesit. Het my niks gekos nie. Goeie diens van Continental Port Elizabeth en die fabriek! Wag en sien hoe lank hou die ceramics (R950)
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: OomD on February 25, 2015, 06:21:44 am
Ek verstaan dat dit relevant is dat die 2004 nie linked braking gehad het nie. Wat ek met irrelevant bedoel is dat die pads ten minste 12 000 km moet hou sodat dit die diensinterval oorskry!
BMWSA het vandag nuwe keramiek pads opgesit. Het my niks gekos nie. Goeie diens van Continental Port Elizabeth en die fabriek! Wag en sien hoe lank hou die ceramics (R950)

Keramiek is harder, is dit nie? En harder pads gaan jou disk vinniger laat slyt. Ja, die pads hou nou langer maar die disks is ietwat duurder om te vervang. Sou graag wou sien hoe lank n disk hou met keramiek pads.

Wonder maar net hardop.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: BikerJan on February 25, 2015, 06:25:01 am
Vir my is dit normaal as die '''pads'' elke 15 000 km's, of meer, vervang moet word. My agter remme het ongeveer 50 % oor op 12 500 km's, wat ek nie dink sleg is nie?

Normale slytasie?
Jy moet hom net dophou. My laaste 50% het soos blits gegaan binne 2000 kilo's as ek reg skat

Dankie Draadwerk, sal so maak!
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear- front vs. rear usage
Post by: genie on February 27, 2015, 09:26:09 am
Rode ca. 40 km this morning and conciously did not use my rear brakes, but Nav 5 stats show I used the front 38 times and the rear 60 times! I had reset Last trip info before I started this morning. Anybody have an explanation for this strange result. If the rear and front usage was the same, I  could understaand the result, but not rear usage almost double that of front.
Title: Re: 1200GS rear Brake pad wear
Post by: Draadwerk on February 28, 2015, 05:41:09 am
Rode ca. 40 km this morning and conciously did not use my rear brakes, but Nav 5 stats show I used the front 38 times and the rear 60 times! I had reset Last trip info before I started this morning. Anybody have an explanation for this strange result. If the rear and front usage was the same, I  could understaand the result, but not rear usage almost double that of front.

Remember that front and back are linked - the moment you use front brake, the ABS system uses back as well.

If you switch to enduro pro, they are unlinked and you get to decide which brake you use. There is still some interference, but less so then.

Perfectly normal and my stats always show I use back brake almost double although I mainly use only front brake.

To answer your question - why the system uses back more - I just don't know