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Title: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 08:33:13 am
The aim of a registered letter is to provide proof of delivery.  So if they send your registered letter to the PO, who then send out a notice to collect - how will they proof receipt?  There is no evidence that you received the PO notice to collect?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 08:39:37 am
The aim of a registered letter is to provide proof of delivery.  So if they send your registered letter to the PO, who then send out a notice to collect - how will they proof receipt?  There is no evidence that you received the PO notice to collect?

Well you have to sign for it when you collect it. Its proof enough to say you received it
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 08:42:28 am
Point is - I need to get the notice first (normal post) to go and sign for the registered letter.  How can they proof I received the notice to sign for the registered letter if its delivered via normal post?  I just ignore the notices to collect and claim I never received it.  Onus is on them to proof I received their bill.  Only way to do that is registered letter delivered and sign for at my door.
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 08:44:19 am
Point is - I need to get the notice first (normal post) to go and sign for the registered letter.  How can they proof I received the notice to sign for the registered letter if its delivered via normal post?  I just ignore the notices to collect and claim I never received it.  Onus is on them to proof I received their bill.  Only way to do that is registered letter delivered and sign for at my door.

Well then they cant proove it, cos you DIDNT receive it. However you wont be receiving that important parcel you ordered either cos youre ignoring all your notices  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 08:45:08 am
Send the important ones to my postal box ;D
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 24, 2014, 09:02:59 am
I have all the goods I order delivered to work, so anything registered that comes to my house is most likely of an unpleasant nature, so gets ignored.
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Bundu on January 24, 2014, 09:04:46 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 09:06:38 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days

ASSUME - Makes an ASS of U and ME
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 24, 2014, 09:08:02 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days

ASSUME - Makes an ASS of U and ME

Well I ASSume that they need proof that I am aware of the letter else good luck to them?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 09:08:33 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days

they can assume as much as they will.  When the court case come, they will not be able to proof that they notified me of their bill until the day I received summons.

They'll be farked purely ito procedure?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Draadwerk on January 24, 2014, 09:08:44 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days

Nope. They can assume that, but their assumption carries no weight at all.

KR, you must mos know when a parcel is on its way as well as the tracking number. Easy to know which notices to ignore then, not???
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 09:10:02 am
AFAIK Sanral will assume you received the letter after a certain number of days

Nope. They can assume that, but their assumption carries no weight at all.

KR, you must mos know when a parcel is on its way as well as the tracking number. Easy to know which notices to ignore then, not???

100% :thumleft:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 09:10:54 am
When your doctor send you a bill and you dont pay it and ignore it and then later you get blacklisted for it, do you ignore that too?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 09:13:53 am
see fortunately I dont give a fark for blacklisting.  It does not scare me at all.  The blacklisting process is unconstitutional imo...  I just draw money from my flexi bond if i need credit
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Dogboxelectric on January 24, 2014, 09:14:08 am
When your doctor send you a bill and you dont pay it and ignore it and then later you get blacklisted for it, do you ignore that too?

Have been known to do that yes. but mostly I am being "selective" as to what i pay.
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 09:15:37 am
see fortunately I dont give a fark for blacklisting.  It does not scare me at all.  The blacklisting process is unconstitutional imo...  I just draw money from my flexi bond if i need credit

Its a good situation to be in, unless you move and have to reapply for that bond.

Most arent lucky enough to be in that situation, so Blacklisting does worry me
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 09:21:12 am
You dont have to be lucky - you need to save ;D

Blacklisting is unconstitutional, since it does not offer you a guaranteed process to pay or defend your case.  Lots of people are not even aware that they are blacklisted for certain events.  They can't black list 2m people for etolls and expect business will take it serious ito granting credit.  So the more people who gets blacklisted - the better.  It will sommer cure this scourge of human rights abuse too.  I volunteer to get blacklisted for etolls

See what I will do for the cause.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2014, 09:25:19 am
You dont have to be lucky - you need to save ;D

Blacklisting is unconstitutional, since it does not offer you a guaranteed process to pay or defend your case.  Lots of people are not even aware that they are blacklisted for certain events.  They can't black list 2m people for etolls and expect business will take it serious ito granting credit.  So the more people who gets blacklisted - the better.  It will sommer cure this scourge of human rights abuse too.  I volunteer to get blacklisted for etolls

See what I will do for the cause.... :biggrin:
:laughing4:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Bundu on January 24, 2014, 11:06:55 am
I thought I'd read it somewhere.... it's part of the terms and conditions which e-tagged sheep sign when they register:

"If we send a notice to you by registered post at your address, we will be allowed to
treat it as if you have received it 10 calendar days after we posted it. This means we do
not have to prove that you did receive it after 10 calendar days."



what a flippen cheek, but tagged people probably deserve this.... and vaseline
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: punisher on January 24, 2014, 11:13:37 am
They dont deserve vasseline at all , doffness must feel the pain
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 11:18:25 am
Kilroy asked a question and everyone assumes its SANRAL related (just cos its here) and again the boring insults continue...wtf.... if you going to carry on down that path at least think of funny insults not the same repetitive gunk over an over again...

getting blacklisted I guess is no fun though ..... irrespective of how many there are its still no fun.

Bundu, hope to see you tomorrow in the lead of the procession .....and all the other ouens prone to insulting too...I want to see you okes in front leading the charge at 70km /h ...
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 11:21:51 am
I thought I'd read it somewhere.... it's part of the terms and conditions which e-tagged sheep sign when they register:

"If we send a notice to you by registered post at your address, we will be allowed to
treat it as if you have received it 10 calendar days after we posted it. This means we do
not have to prove that you did receive it after 10 calendar days."



what a flippen cheek, but tagged people probably deserve this.... and vaseline

have u lost yr mind? 

no organisation , be it sanral or sabc or pick n pay can "clause" you out of your rights.

plus us etagged ouens aint gonna get notices anyway ....  :ricky:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 11:23:12 am
Last Charge of the Light Brigade

I'm still keen on throwing manure at their HQ :laughing4: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 11:24:50 am
Last Charge of the Light Brigade

I'm still keen on throwing manure at their HQ :laughing4: :biggrin:

me an ganjora with you leader ....... lets get 17 ouens together an really protest ...like hairy assed bikers would....not this namby pamby 70km procession on the highways to tell the govt how angry we are and hope to embaress them ...

like em ouens at CT international, we will make frontpage news, of course we may end up in gaol too but ce la vie of a revolutionary eh
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 11:25:59 am
No dude - only 15 okes, then we can ride drunk and carry guns and shit :thumleft:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 11:27:16 am
No dude - only 15 okes, then we can ride drunk and carry guns and shit :thumleft:

but if we 17 and do all of that stuff without a permit SANRAL will be convinced we mean business.....u check ....
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Bundu on January 24, 2014, 11:51:07 am
Kilroy asked a question and everyone assumes its SANRAL related (just cos its here) and again the boring insults continue...wtf.... if you going to carry on down that path at least think of funny insults not the same repetitive gunk over an over again...

getting blacklisted I guess is no fun though ..... irrespective of how many there are its still no fun.

Bundu, hope to see you tomorrow in the lead of the procession .....and all the other ouens prone to insulting too...I want to see you okes in front leading the charge at 70km /h ...

I can't understand how a tough guy like you that gets an e-tag and hides behind his wife as the reason for getting the tag, is so easily offended  ???
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Bundu on January 24, 2014, 11:52:08 am
I thought I'd read it somewhere.... it's part of the terms and conditions which e-tagged sheep sign when they register:

"If we send a notice to you by registered post at your address, we will be allowed to
treat it as if you have received it 10 calendar days after we posted it. This means we do
not have to prove that you did receive it after 10 calendar days."



what a flippen cheek, but tagged people probably deserve this.... and vaseline

have u lost yr mind? 

no organisation , be it sanral or sabc or pick n pay can "clause" you out of your rights.

plus us etagged ouens aint gonna get notices anyway ....  :ricky:

I was simply quoting the T&C's YOU signed - obviously those are not applicable to us
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 11:54:34 am
Kilroy asked a question and everyone assumes its SANRAL related (just cos its here) and again the boring insults continue...wtf.... if you going to carry on down that path at least think of funny insults not the same repetitive gunk over an over again...

getting blacklisted I guess is no fun though ..... irrespective of how many there are its still no fun.

Bundu, hope to see you tomorrow in the lead of the procession .....and all the other ouens prone to insulting too...I want to see you okes in front leading the charge at 70km /h ...

I can't understand how a tough guy like you that gets an e-tag and hides behind his wife as the reason for getting the tag, is so easily offended  ???

come now - we've been through this.  I dont understand it either but by Thor, must we sodomise the horse after flogging it dead too?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 01:13:43 pm
Kilroy asked a question and everyone assumes its SANRAL related (just cos its here) and again the boring insults continue...wtf.... if you going to carry on down that path at least think of funny insults not the same repetitive gunk over an over again...

getting blacklisted I guess is no fun though ..... irrespective of how many there are its still no fun.

Bundu, hope to see you tomorrow in the lead of the procession .....and all the other ouens prone to insulting too...I want to see you okes in front leading the charge at 70km /h ...

I can't understand how a tough guy like you that gets an e-tag and hides behind his wife as the reason for getting the tag, is so easily offended  ???

offended? nee ou .... u got it wrong

but more importantly , I get the feeling u not going to be there tomorrow, so you lose your right to insult .... :lol8:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Bundu on January 24, 2014, 01:19:41 pm
actually I will be there tomorrow
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 24, 2014, 01:20:23 pm
then kiss and make up you two :biggrin:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 24, 2014, 01:24:49 pm
then kiss and make up you two :biggrin:

sodomise, kiss....u a sicko man   :peepwall:
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: punisher on January 24, 2014, 01:51:45 pm
Kilroy asked a question and everyone assumes its SANRAL related (just cos its here) and again the boring insults continue...wtf.... if you going to carry on down that path at least think of funny insults not the same repetitive gunk over an over again...

getting blacklisted I guess is no fun though ..... irrespective of how many there are its still no fun.

Bundu, hope to see you tomorrow in the lead of the procession .....and all the other ouens prone to insulting too...I want to see you okes in front leading the charge at 70km /h ...


bwahhhhahahahqah   classic comming from  you    bwahahahahahaha     
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: Plaashaas on January 24, 2014, 08:10:12 pm
Fark guys dont get emotional  :biggrin:

Its a legal question in most courts they will accept your postal address that you put on documents i.e. and a registered letter sent to that address as deemed to have been informed and received

You can k@k and kerm all u want and quote Zim's constitution even it is the law of RSA

Letter of demand via registred mail is accepted to have been placed in mora (in other words you farking owe us -- nothing said about not picking letter up)

PS black listing not unconstitutional the Credit Act actualy indicates that bad credit records MUST be recorded

This is also a fact in law

Employer may check credit records as well also perfectly legal -- so blacklisting not such a great idea for some


The above doesn’t mean that I agree with any of these issues but I have had enough experience  to know how the courts will rule





Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: T Rex on January 24, 2014, 08:12:40 pm
Kilroy , you ignore it at your own risk .....
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: NeelsK on January 24, 2014, 08:44:21 pm
PS black listing not unconstitutional the Credit Act actualy indicates that bad credit records MUST be recorded

True.  But I did not apply for farking credit now, did I?
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: KiLRoy on January 25, 2014, 06:08:17 am
Fark guys dont get emotional  :biggrin:

Its a legal question in most courts they will accept your postal address that you put on documents i.e. and a registered letter sent to that address as deemed to have been informed and received

You can k@k and kerm all u want and quote Zim's constitution even it is the law of RSA

Letter of demand via registred mail is accepted to have been placed in mora (in other words you farking owe us -- nothing said about not picking letter up)

PS black listing not unconstitutional the Credit Act actualy indicates that bad credit records MUST be recorded

This is also a fact in law

Employer may check credit records as well also perfectly legal -- so blacklisting not such a great idea for some


The above doesn’t mean that I agree with any of these issues but I have had enough experience  to know how the courts will rule







You're missing the point. Just read the posts again.
Title: Re: Registered letters - legal question
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 25, 2014, 07:07:59 am
Fark guys dont get emotional  :biggrin:

Its a legal question in most courts they will accept your postal address that you put on documents i.e. and a registered letter sent to that address as deemed to have been informed and received

You can k@k and kerm all u want and quote Zim's constitution even it is the law of RSA

Letter of demand via registred mail is accepted to have been placed in mora (in other words you farking owe us -- nothing said about not picking letter up)

PS black listing not unconstitutional the Credit Act actualy indicates that bad credit records MUST be recorded

This is also a fact in law

Employer may check credit records as well also perfectly legal -- so blacklisting not such a great idea for some


The above doesn’t mean that I agree with any of these issues but I have had enough experience  to know how the courts will rule







You're missing the point. Just read the posts again.

Hope vrou ok ou