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Title: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 26, 2014, 12:36:32 pm
Hi Guys

In the market but with limited funs.

Looking at Honda Transalp or Suzuki 650 v-storm

I know these bikes are not fully off road but staying in the countryside about 60 % will be dirt-highways.

ANY ADVICE ABOUT THE TWO. I'm looking for a comfortable ride on long distances and a bit of more power. Bigger than 800 cc is not always a good all-rounder.  Also looking at the GS 800 but they're bit expensive at this stage

Thanks
 
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: CoolBreeze on January 26, 2014, 01:23:44 pm
If you don't mind, I'd like to see what the opinions are here. :3some: :sip:

I had a 800GS and loved the bike. For me it was the perfect all round bike. i could do a fair amount of playing with it, I could carry a pillion and did for up to 1000km in a day like a breeze and Sani pass was a speed bump :ricky: It was awsome!
The reason I sold it though was because I got to a stage where we hardly ever rode 2up, I started abusing the bike on weekends (it's not ment to be treated like a scrambler) and to be quite honest, I didn't see the value in paying R3000+ on a service..... aaand I started seeing the light..... there are just so many other bike to choose from :drif:

I rode a Transalp for two days as a curtesy bike from BMW. I was excited because I really think a transalp looks sooo good with a set of knoblies and packed for a trip. It's a sexy bike :drif:. It did nothing for me when I rode it though, and that pisses me off because I was hopping it would! I found it very lose on the dirt road. If i remeber correctly it was a 650. I don't know the 700's

I don't know the V-storm but I've read good things.
Would you cincider an Africa Twin? They also carry quite a good rep and the transapl, Africa Twin and V-Storm are in a different price bracket to the 800GS, Triumph tiger and so on (unless I got it wrong).

At the moment I'm loving my XR650 and I now look at smaller, lighter, cheaper adventure bikes as the way to go :thumleft: :thumleft:

I love threads like these.
Cheers
Title: Re:
Post by: iamgigglz on January 26, 2014, 06:35:06 pm
The strom is arguably the better choice for tar, but I'd say go with the Transalp.

I love my Transalp 700. I've done nearly 50,000km on mine, mostly on tar admittedly. It's a great tar machine, but the gearing is a bit short and fuel consumption is higher than the strom.
It's definitely more off-road capable than the strom though. Mine has done rocks, mud, rivers, sand and ploughing through bundu without complaint, often in the company of XR's and 640's.

The Africa Twin is another story. It'll be an older machine requiring more THE more often than the other two, and the fuel consumption is probably the highest of the three. You'll get a higher percentage return on the purchase price when you resell it though. Much like the 1150, they hold their value and have a certain collector's appeal.
It's also probably the fastest of the three :D

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Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 26, 2014, 06:48:02 pm
You have ultimately chosen 2 bikes that are arguably quite close to each other.

I had the transalp 650 and went through Africa on it, they are probably one of the most under rated offroad bikes out there, they are freaking bullet proof. When it was time to upgrade I simply went for the 700.. why? because I got a 1 year old bike, with 16 000km on the clock with TONS of extras for R53k.. you simply cannot beat the value for money and amount of bike you are buying for that money, best of all, I will take that bike wherever I could take my XR650R.. sure the ground clearance becomes an issue in hectic rocks, so if it has a center stand, it doubles up as a bash plate  :laughing4:

In the end I went for the Transalp for one reason and one reason only, it is a Honda. I just was'nt impressed with Suzuki. Don't get me wrong, I think the V Strom is a great bike, but in the end the Transalp won my heart over the Suzuki, I agree with imagigglz, I would like the gearing on the 700 to be a bit longer..

I dunno, I just don't see many V Stroms around and that influenced my choice a lot.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Gérrard on January 26, 2014, 06:53:27 pm
The real difference is the price you'll pay(secondhand I assume). The V-Strom you can get for about half the price of the TransAlp and it will serve the same purpose just as well.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Wildcoast on January 26, 2014, 06:57:54 pm
Strom is certainly more powerfull and will have better fuel consumption, wind protection, fuel range , Suzuki wins both of those I think?
One of the main reasons I went Honda (bought the 650 looked very hard at the Strom and 700 alp , rode them all) was the tough spoked wheels and super reliability (Honda's also seemed to be better quality to me)

Best advice, ride them all, take the one that you like the most, the Honda will not let you down though.


Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: adventure hunter1 on January 26, 2014, 07:23:00 pm
Ive just got back from a cederberg ride on my 700. We bumped into 2 german tourists who are planning to travel southern Africa on a 650 v strom and a 650 TA.

We did some riding with these guys and I noticed the v strom to handle badly in the looser sand and gravel. I agree the TA suspension could do with some tlc as well.

The other bigger concern and this is huge. The v stroma oil cooler is so low down to the ground sticking out with 0 protection from any flying rocks. break the cooler and you are in cuck. Also dont forget the rims not spokes on the strom which are not ideal.

 TA 700 or 650 are your better choice in adventure bike.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Strompie on January 27, 2014, 08:52:13 am
As a Strom-owner, I can give you an honest feedback on the bike. On gravel highways, you will be better off on the TA. Apparently it has to do with the rake of the front wheel. My Strom is very fidgety on gravel, and sand is one area where my lack of experience seriously hampers my confidence. But on tar it is an absolute joy.

As a tourer, I have ridden both a 650GS and now a Strom, and I can honestly say the Strom is the better bike. We completed a 4000+ km trip in 2012 and the bike performed flawlessly. My GS had  buzz to it that you simply do not get with that V. It can even go up Sani if required.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=134793.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=134793.0)

I share the concerns about not seeing many Stroms around, but it is a very under-rated bike. Solid as rock, and I do not regret owning one. But if you are going to spend most of your days on gravel, get the TA.

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 27, 2014, 02:06:28 pm
Hi guys

Thanks for your responds. It is much appreciated. :)

 By the looks (and sounds) of it, these two bikes are very close. I must say the TA 700 does appeal to me as the first choice (Probably more off-road orientated I guess) 
Looking at off-road, Can one do something to the TA front suspension to make them more capable and is it worth it and at what cost. My 650 TA did well in the sand and I was much more comfortable with it because of the low centre of gravity but going off-road with it, I wasn't impress with the hard front suspension......feeling every bump/hole in the road. I don't want to go that road again. I  hope that with the 700, Honda sorted that problem... :-\
When buying a second hand TA, What km's is considered as to high?
What fuel consumption do they really get. Been to the internet and I still cant get a good idea. With my 650 TA the fuel consumption was hectic. 14-16km/l.
The fact that the 700 TA is no longer in production should probably not be an issue or what....?(re-sale value ect)

Thanks  :thumleft:

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: AJALP on January 27, 2014, 02:54:37 pm
Hi guys

Thanks for your responds. It is much appreciated. :)

 By the looks (and sounds) of it, these two bikes are very close. I must say the TA 700 does appeal to me as the first choice (Probably more off-road orientated I guess) 
Looking at off-road, Can one do something to the TA front suspension to make them more capable and is it worth it and at what cost. My 650 TA did well in the sand and I was much more comfortable with it because of the low centre of gravity but going off-road with it, I wasn't impress with the hard front suspension......feeling every bump/hole in the road. I don't want to go that road again. I  hope that with the 700, Honda sorted that problem... :-\
When buying a second hand TA, What km's is considered as to high?
What fuel consumption do they really get. Been to the internet and I still cant get a good idea. With my 650 TA the fuel consumption was hectic. 14-16km/l.
The fact that the 700 TA is no longer in production should probably not be an issue or what....?(re-sale value ect)

Thanks  :thumleft:


I get 20 - 24km/l depending how I drive. Cruise at 100-120 for those figures. Take her above 120 and you can start cutting that consumption back considerably.. :ricky:
Those twin Honda engines just keep going. Got lots of grunt low down. Needs another gear though but you can change the sprocket... She revs around 6000rpm at 140.
Cant say about holding value... Only had mine for 5 months. Excellent commuter, cruises nicely on tar, and low centre of gravity for off road. Needs a bit more clearance IMHO..
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: iamgigglz on January 27, 2014, 03:36:00 pm
There's a progressive spring kit out there for the Transalp's front end; pretty much considered a "must-do" upgrade on that bike.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Eisbein on January 27, 2014, 04:42:15 pm
The V-Strom 650 (in my opinion) has the best 650 v-twin engine ever made.
Unfortunately the v-strom also has this:

(http://www.oumeulteater.co.za/pics/weskus/dag5/DSCF5422.jpg)

Once there's a bashplate on it the ground clearance goes down by a lot.

We've spent 7 days on the Northern Cape roads with a good collection of bikes and the owner of this Strom didn't like what the corrugated roads did to his bike with the suspension that's on it (a bit too stiff) and as mentioned the rake also made the bike handle differently - lucky he's a good rider, so he managed quite well.

The Transalp has a bit of a more 'boring' engine - sorry - I don't know how else to explain. It has got more than enough speed and power, but it feels like it hands it to you in a more 'civilized' fashion than the V-Strom engine's kick in the backside.

The Transalp on the other hand have an engine that is probably the smoothest for a twin I've ever experienced.
Also a bit more 'neutral' on the gravel in terms of handling.


Both good excellent bikes for what they are, but in my opinion (for what that is worth) the Transalp is ever so slightly more biased towards gravel.

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: iamgigglz on January 27, 2014, 04:57:49 pm
Links I found that may be useful:

http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/transalp/25682-transalp-700-vs-versys-650-vs-v-strom-650-a.html (http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/transalp/25682-transalp-700-vs-versys-650-vs-v-strom-650-a.html)

http://www.zimbio.com/Motorcycles/articles/L_M8vR94zrY/BMW+G650GS+vs+Honda+XL700V+Transalp+vs+Suzuki (http://www.zimbio.com/Motorcycles/articles/L_M8vR94zrY/BMW+G650GS+vs+Honda+XL700V+Transalp+vs+Suzuki)

<edit> wow, the English on that second link is terrible. Clearly translated from something else...poorly.  :P

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on January 27, 2014, 05:10:44 pm
You said you only want to do dirt highways and tar? Then the VStrom beats the TA hands down. It pulls like a train up to 200 (the L2) when you' in a hurry, it's light on fuel, it has tubeless tyres and very strong mag wheels. I haven't seen one with a smiley after quite a bit of abuse (I am talking here about the medical response bikes of ER24)
However, the TA is not bad at all, but not as comfy as the Strom and heavy on fuel. Both engines are bullet proof but the gearbox of the Suz is just perfect. Smooth and never a false neutral.
My vote goes for the VStrom but go and test ride both and make up your mind. Can't go wrong it comes down to personal pref
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Dutchie on January 27, 2014, 05:19:21 pm
In the market but with limited funs.

Well, by the sounds of it, that's about to change!

Looking at Honda Transalp or Suzuki 650 v-storm

I don't have advice, but would like to wish you plenty miles and loooads of funs with whichever one you choose  :thumleft:

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 27, 2014, 09:43:56 pm
Thanks for the very welcome info on the two bikes.

Must say, now I'm confused again..... But, I'll use all the info you guys generously gave me to help clear my mind.

Like you said Wildcoast........The taste in the pudding is eating it. I'm gonna have to test drive each one of them to see what works.
 
Imgizzls- do you know what such progressive springs costs for the TA?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 27, 2014, 09:51:47 pm
The real difference is the price you'll pay(secondhand I assume). The V-Strom you can get for about half the price of the TransAlp and it will serve the same purpose just as well.

err.. a second hand transalp 700 is about R50k, are you saying you can get a V strom for R25k.. not one I would buy
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 27, 2014, 09:53:07 pm
There's a progressive spring kit out there for the Transalp's front end; pretty much considered a "must-do" upgrade on that bike.

agreed, I have progressive springs in front.. what a difference, it is a very different bike, especially offroad
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: iamgigglz on January 28, 2014, 08:43:19 am
Imgizzls- do you know what such progressive springs costs for the TA?

 :lol8: Adding that to the list of how people have spelt my forum name...

Not sure of the cost; educated guesstimate is under R2k all in. The springs alone are floating around the net for around £85.

Dogs, help out here. Which vendor to contact for springs? Can't think of the name now... ???
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on January 28, 2014, 09:54:16 am
Imgizzls- do you know what such progressive springs costs for the TA?

 :lol8: Adding that to the list of how people have spelt my forum name...

Not sure of the cost; educated guesstimate is under R2k all in. The springs alone are floating around the net for around £85.

Dogs, help out here. Which vendor to contact for springs? Can't think of the name now... ???

Bling King
Denver Bigs (think I misspelled his surname)
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 28, 2014, 11:27:31 am
iamgigglz

Sorry about the name  ::), didn't wear my glasses last knight. :) Dammm....and then I want to buy a bike. Wonder if that's a great idea. :o I already lost a hand, not my eyes toooooo..

Thanks for the info. Not to expensive for the progressive springs. Will be a definite add-on.

I can get TA 700 2009 with 19000 k's on the clock for R57 000 in the Free State
Looks like the CAT  is out with Leo Vince pipes.

Good buy me think?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 28, 2014, 11:30:32 am
Fuzzy Muzzy

How does the springs work in sand driving?
Are these springs adjustable?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 28, 2014, 11:41:14 am
That price is about right. If you look around  and you are not in a hurry you can get a slightly  better deal.

As far as I know springs are about R2k as well. The springs make sand riding a little easier for me, the front tends to float in a little more ( to be fair I am useless at sand with the TA, I have been too spoilt with my CRF450 in sand ) best to speak to someone like Sprocket who is a much better sand rider than me when it comes to the Transalp.

Where the springs make a massive difference if simply on rocky declines, then you are just all smiles. honestly the upgrade is well worth ot. I was lucky mine came with the upgrade already done. They are not adjustable, you can play around with different density oils I suppose but frankly I don't see the need.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on January 28, 2014, 11:44:00 am
Fuzzy Muzzy

How does the springs work in sand driving?
Are these springs adjustable?

If I may: the springs are not ajustable, they are just way better quality than the OEM springs and will not bottom out and will give you a more sure footed handling. It 'firms' the ride up a bit on the gravel and even better handling on tar noichble in corners. It will not help for sand thoug. Nothing works for sand other than your 'hart' and by that I mean confidence that will come with experience
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 28, 2014, 11:45:31 am
Nearly got my bikes mixed up there, just to remember the shocks are just stiffer, with the TA std when you hit something like a washed out rut you bottom out the front, it is not a train smash, you can ride like that, I did with my 650 for years.. you just adapt to what you have,

If you are doing mainly road riding the std spring is just fine. If you are going to do the old postal route.. change them now.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 28, 2014, 04:00:39 pm
Thanks guys.

On the internet an 18 min video of a TA going off-road, sand, mud and very uneven single road, passes an old mine somewhere in Gauteng.
It convinced me finally that the TA would be the bike for the type off- oad driving I do.

Thank you all for your help and input.  :)

Now just to get that right bike for the right price.....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on January 28, 2014, 05:06:49 pm
Of all the bikes I've owned and ridden (39 years now), the 650 Transalp has given me the most joy. Bullet-proof motor and reliable as hell. Fuel consumption is not the best, but like a toyota hi-lix, it just goes on forever, so it seems.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 29, 2014, 11:54:41 am
Tommy Transalp

What is your take on the 700 v.?

What is your dislikes about it, compared to the 650 you have? (I had the same one just in blue-Hellava nice bike except that the plastics started to irritate me when driving off-road, vibrating/rattles a lot. Got the same problem?)

Would you consider an upgrade to the 700 and why or why not?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 12:24:57 pm
I had the 650 for a few years and did 80 000km on that bike, my longest trip was 59 days through Nam, Bots, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania & Moz, the bike did'nt even use oil.. flip those 650's are bulletproof and you can load the hell out of them, I never had a day's issue.

Not that I like to compare bikes but the 650 and 700 are as similar as they are different. The 700 is an upgrade if you consider that it has more electronics, digital dash, ABS etc. Also being a fuel injected bike. Other than that, it is the same bulletproof bike.

I think for me the 700 was not seen as an upgrade, they simply stopped making the 650 and launched the new 700.

My 2c
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 29, 2014, 12:32:50 pm
Yes, The fact is.....even in my school days, the 50cc, Honda (bobcat) was the fastest(117km/h) and lasts longer. Honda and even Yamaha used to be the tough bikes then.
I believe in Honda and surly that is the way.

I see the dry weight is about 116 kg.

Does this effect the handling on more technical roads?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 12:58:14 pm
lets not talk about the school day 50cc.. my dream bike was the gamma, it was also pretty quick.. probably around 105km/h - 115km/h  I was just never allowed one.. dammit mom.

Look the Transalp will go where you need it to but now define technical, it is no plastic. The weight sits quite far forward so in sand you really have to lean back and open up, in tight technical stuff I have to feather her because I can tend to fall because of the weight distribution.. but define technical. There are not many places I can't go.. I really really don't like sand with her because of the weight but some okes seem to do better than me.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on January 29, 2014, 01:15:28 pm
Tommy Transalp

What is your take on the 700 v.?

What is your dislikes about it, compared to the 650 you have? (I had the same one just in blue-Hellava nice bike except that the plastics started to irritate me when driving off-road, vibrating/rattles a lot. Got the same problem?)

Would you consider an upgrade to the 700 and why or why not?
What Fuzzy said! :thumleft: In soft sand you have to almost position yourself over the rear wheel and keep the power on!... there is still a chance you'll have a tumble, but it's only sand after all. Transalps don't like soft stuff too much, but like the ol'timers say...A Transalp can do everything well, but is not exceptional at anything! (bit like a Toyota hi-lux) . They will keep going when you think that it's not possible. I like the 21" front wheel on the 650 for offroad stuff, but depending on your riding style, there shouldn't be too much difference between the two. The 700's fuel consumption is better by 3 km/l. (fuel injection).

The 650's fairing panels rattle a bit on corrugated gravel roads, bit don't seem to break.... (unless you ride over Duikers and such... but that's another story!) :biggrin: Spares so far have not been a problem, although sometimes you'll have to wait a day or two. I've plumbed a spare clutch-cable next to the original, because I broke a cable at about 50k kms and it's a PITA to replace on the road. (Specially when you don't have the spare with you!)
I don't think you'll be sorry buying a Transalp....
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: KiLRoy on January 29, 2014, 01:27:32 pm
650 TA not 21inch front wheel and the 700 19?

Thats is imho the deal stealer.  If you want to do more diverse d/s touring - get the TA 650.  If you want to ride more sedate areas - get the 700.  If you want more fun for less money - get the VStrom.  that Suzuki motor and the Versys motor are probably the most fun, explosive twin 650 motors ever. :thumleft:

Honda's motors last forever, because they are so detuned.  So ideal for long d/s trips
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 29, 2014, 01:34:13 pm
of the 2 I would go strom ...... its motor is way better than the Honda's and I mean way better and much lighter on fuel. Strom got a nice big tank so huge range too.

I would say off road the TA and strom are pretty even .....I seen stroms go anywhere and everywhere.....

The TA has what must be the most gutless motor in all of DS biking...I think my 660 tenere motor got more oomph ... and that's saying something.

but the Honda is super smooth and its a Honda ....

if you considering any 2 up riding , yr answer must be strom
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: KiLRoy on January 29, 2014, 01:40:32 pm
of the 2 I would go strom ...... its motor is way better than the Honda's and I mean way better and much lighter on fuel. Strom got a nice big tank so huge range too.

I would say off road the TA and strom are pretty even .....I seen stroms go anywhere and everywhere.....

The TA has what must be the most gutless motor in all of DS biking...I think my 660 tenere motor got more oomph ... and that's saying something.

but the Honda is super smooth and its a Honda ....

if you considering any 2 up riding , yr answer must be strom

Are you speaking about 700 TA or 650?   650 is gutless and heavier on fuel, but because of its 21inch spoked front wheel is much better suited for more serious d/s touring.  I do thing the strom is good value for money and more exciting though
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 29, 2014, 01:47:12 pm
of the 2 I would go strom ...... its motor is way better than the Honda's and I mean way better and much lighter on fuel. Strom got a nice big tank so huge range too.

I would say off road the TA and strom are pretty even .....I seen stroms go anywhere and everywhere.....

The TA has what must be the most gutless motor in all of DS biking...I think my 660 tenere motor got more oomph ... and that's saying something.

but the Honda is super smooth and its a Honda ....

if you considering any 2 up riding , yr answer must be strom

Are you speaking about 700 TA or 650?   650 is gutless and heavier on fuel, but because of its 21inch spoked front wheel is much better suited for more serious d/s touring.  I do thing the strom is good value for money and more exciting though

the 700 is fractionally better power wise , not sure bout the fuel consumption and maybe its way better but the motor aint a demon by any means.

the 650 is hellish on fuel .....I was getting between 13-15 km per litres and it hurt, my car was lighter.  my 1000 strom would get 22km/l with a 22 litre tank gave me a range of 400km plus

the 650 off road would be better than the 750 or the strom for that matter but the 700 is the same. ground clearance of the strom an 700 must be almost identical I reckon.

but agree, the 21 inch wheel make a world of difference ....
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 02:03:39 pm
I don't get that a 21 inch wheel is a deal breaker.. I take my 700 everywhere I took my 650.. did the front wheel make a difference.. no. I can tell you that the ground clearance on the Transalp will be an issue WAY before the front tyre size will.

bring me a section of dirt that a 19 inch wheel can't do that a 21 inch can and I will believe you.

Are you comparing a 650cc bikes fuel consumption with a 1000cc.. really  :patch:, if people based getting a bike on fuel consumption why even bother looking at a twin, go get a 650 Dakar or Tenere then.. and again if you strat comparing oomph why compare a single to a twin if we want to start getting into the single vs twin we can.

Apples with apples okes  :deal:

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: drewdza on January 29, 2014, 02:07:22 pm
of the 2 I would go strom ...... its motor is way better than the Honda's and I mean way better and much lighter on fuel. Strom got a nice big tank so huge range too.

I would say off road the TA and strom are pretty even .....I seen stroms go anywhere and everywhere.....

The TA has what must be the most gutless motor in all of DS biking...I think my 660 tenere motor got more oomph ... and that's saying something.

but the Honda is super smooth and its a Honda ....

if you considering any 2 up riding , yr answer must be strom

Are you speaking about 700 TA or 650?   650 is gutless and heavier on fuel, but because of its 21inch spoked front wheel is much better suited for more serious d/s touring.  I do thing the strom is good value for money and more exciting though

the 700 is fractionally better power wise , not sure bout the fuel consumption and maybe its way better but the motor aint a demon by any means.

the 650 is hellish on fuel .....I was getting between 13-15 km per litres and it hurt, my car was lighter.  my 1000 strom would get 22km/l with a 22 litre tank gave me a range of 400km plus

the 650 off road would be better than the 750 or the strom for that matter but the 700 is the same. ground clearance of the strom an 700 must be almost identical I reckon.

but agree, the 21 inch wheel make a world of difference ....
Granted, the 650 TA was no ball of fire but "gutless"? No, its a sweet V-twin with adequate power on road and off. Unless you're 2 up or in a serious hurry. Motor is bulletproof  :thumleft:
Fuel consumption? I averaged 18-20 km/l over 35000km. Leo Vince and decent dyno tuning by Freeze. If you're getting 13-15 km/l there' something seriously wrong with the state of tune or you're riding the tits off the bike into a 50km/h head wind
Offroad handling was goodish. She hated corrugations and sand. Headshakes now and again when standing just to keep you awake. Front end was poor but can be (almost) sorted with progressive springs.
The 650TA is a better DS than the 700 I reckon. Its a far better DS than the V-Strom.
The Strom motor is nicer/stronger but it has lower ground clearance, worse suspension, alloy rims and (apologies to owners) it has to be one of the most aesthetically challenged (ugly :o) bikes ever made. TA's are quite pretty  >:D
Fond memories of my TA  :thumleft:

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 02:10:17 pm
by the way, my 650 I was getting 15l/km if I was shunting, but if you take it easy you can get 17 - 20 which was about my average.. so not that bad. My 700 is slightly better.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: KiLRoy on January 29, 2014, 02:20:25 pm
Never said a 19inch front is a deal breaker - said:

Quote
Thats is imho the deal stealer.

Thats what will get my vote if I want to do more serious terrain d/s touring.  It makes a hell of a difference (together with the fact that its spoke wheels) IN MY OPINION.  so if thats the application - 650 TA it will be.

Much of a muchness ito application between the 700 TA and 650 VStrom - IN MY OPINION - differences are mentioned above
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 29, 2014, 02:28:57 pm


Are you comparing a 650cc bikes fuel consumption with a 1000cc.. really  :patch:, if people based getting a bike on fuel consumption why even bother looking at a twin, go get a 650 Dakar or Tenere then.. and again if you strat comparing oomph why compare a single to a twin if we want to start getting into the single vs twin we can.

Apples with apples okes  :deal:



the 650 strom is even lighter...that was my point ....

and yes when we go to remote parts of moz or bots fuel range becomes an issue....and even some parts of za.

Fuel consumption is important to me, I have a limited budget and I like long fuel ranges ..... a 650 pushing 12kw on a cool day (the TA) used more , much more fuel than a 1000 pushing 75kw in all conditions....
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 02:57:01 pm
fuel range is a problem with any bike if you are going far enough.. I have been to all sides of bots and Moz and never had to deal with a fuel range issue.. the only time I have ever run out of fuel is when Andy took me all over the Karoo and I ran out of fuel 5km from Ceres.. I had to syphon from a KTM..  :o

V Strom 650 4.77l per 100

Tranaslp 700 4.73 per 100

You can varify test results on www.motostat.eu (http://www.motostat.eu)

My point is your reference is off.. my Transalp was getting similar fuel stats to the V Strom.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Ratt on January 29, 2014, 03:17:29 pm
I had the AT, great bike and did alot of bundu bashing with it. Heavy as hell, but you get use to it quickly.
While AT was in for repaires I had a TA 650 for a week, not my bike so didn't slauter it like the AT. TA was much lower, 99% more plastic and a bit lazier than the AT.
Would I have taken the TA bundu bashing? Hell yeah!
On a KLE 500 now, lazy as a ANC member, but I already did all the stuff already that I did with the AT.

Obviously you aren't going to bundu bash, but just stick to high ways.

Looked at the TA700 before buying the KLE. The wheels put me off first, then the headlight.

I prefer spoked wheels as I have broken a few spokes already and is not such a PIA to fix.

No experience on the Strom, but it looks like a pure road tourer like the nc700's, you can take them off the tar slightly, but woud snap in half at the first donga youhave to go through.

Personally I would go for a TA 650. If you can find one, look at a varadero, it's still a better call than the vstrom imho.

Whatever you choose, have fun  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 29, 2014, 04:18:43 pm

 look at a varadero


 :eek7: a varadero..  :imaposer:

good one  :laughing4:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Wildcoast on January 30, 2014, 06:35:58 am
With low mileage ones going at between 35 and 40k I am afraid the answer to this thread is a no brainer........
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Ratt on January 30, 2014, 07:09:36 am

 look at a varadero


 :eek7: a varadero..  :imaposer:

good one  :laughing4:

With a AT bodykit and wheel conversion, I don't see why not.
It's just a bigger TA
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 30, 2014, 11:30:27 am
Have you tried to take one through sand, over rocks or anything technical? If someone is looking to choose between 2 650's the last thing I think of is ' hey, get a varadero  :thumleft:'

There is a reason why that bike never sold and if you can sell it.. note not , when you sell it, if you can sell it, it has probably the worst resale value of any Honda.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Ratt on January 30, 2014, 11:32:59 am
Have you tried to take one through sand, over rocks or anything technical? If someone is looking to choose between 2 650's the last thing I think of is ' hey, get a varadero  :thumleft:'

There is a reason why that bike never sold and if you can sell it.. note not , when you sell it, if you can sell it, it has probably the worst resale value of any Honda.

Hence, he can pick it up for next to nothing and ride the gravel high ways and tar.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 30, 2014, 11:37:07 am
So your advice is to buy a bike Honda took out of production pretty much as soon as it hit showroom floors, one of the kukkest bikes Honda ever made and the reason for that is because you can pick it up for cheap.  :eek7:

No man.  :3some:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: KiLRoy on January 30, 2014, 12:44:39 pm
I agree, always smile at the comments on these kind of posts asking about eg which 650, - then get answers ranging from buy a CRF250 too a 1200LC :biggrin:

Kind of like - which is the best a XR250 or TTR250 ---- the get answers like a KTM525 ;)
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on January 30, 2014, 01:19:04 pm
Thanks for a very interesting debate and valuable info about the two bikes guys
.
I don't think the 650 TA would still be an option although they are great bikes though.

Just been to the Ceres Karoo/(Tankwa) for work and the dirt roads are calling...,... :drif: Gotta make a final decision soon.

The issue for me about the v-strom is also that it might be a bit too low....danno!!!!!!!!!!!

An indication=a road that I probably would think is my limit is the road to Anysberg Nat Reserve up to the office.
Handling these type of roads with one hand is still ok, but something worse than that might become a problem. BUT...doing long trips on dirt highways and tar I think the TA would be more comfy and faster than the Tenere that I used to have. I probably want best of both worlds, on and off-road..... :-\ Looking mostly at the comfortable side of riding long distances I guess. :thumleft:

The other point is ....., I would like to think that where ever a WD Bash is held, I would be able to attend such bash with the bike of choice I made now. I do not want to stay at home because the bike is not capable...That factor has to be determined by my driving skills not to be able to do such. ;)
 


Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on January 31, 2014, 09:43:34 am
Just a thought: you have one hand. With respect do you not thing a tubeless bike will work better? The V strom's mag wheels are real tough and I have never seen one with a smiley. All I'm saying. A flat can left you standed maybe with the one hand? But not if it was a tubeless rim like on the V strom. I have seen Stroms on sand, mud and many 'rough sections'. Is a standard GS or S10 better in the dirt? Concidering its weight? Have a look at how little ground clearance there is on a S10 yet they do Sani without effort. Say take a Strom for a test run on the gravel before you make a decition
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: SlowMo on January 31, 2014, 10:50:00 pm
Just a thought: you have one hand. With respect do you not thing a tubeless bike will work better? The V strom's mag wheels are real tough and I have never seen one with a smiley. All I'm saying. A flat can left you standed maybe with the one hand? But not if it was a tubeless rim like on the V strom. I have seen Stroms on sand, mud and many 'rough sections'. Is a standard GS or S10 better in the dirt? Concidering its weight? Have a look at how little ground clearance there is on a S10 yet they do Sani without effort. Say take a Strom for a test run on the gravel before you make a decition

TVB I honestly don’t know why you are so convinced that the DL rims are tough. I was warned that this is a weak spot on the DL. On my very first off-road excursion with my DL, within the first 30 km I picked up a bad “smiley”. I was very lucky that my tyre held air, else I would have been  F*&. Moreover for the rest of the trip I had to inflate the tyre so much that only the best gravel roads did not hurt my hands etc. I've also heard that many of the DL guys have learnt that high tyre pressures are the only way to ensure that you save your rims.

Some years ago I was on a Suzuki SA arranged off road excursion where they (tried) to introduce the DL as a proper D/S bike. And whilst the bike and its off road capabilities impressed me, Steve Swanepoel, the P.R.O. of Suzuki at the time also wrote off a front rim, to the extent that he could not continue. I remember them trying to “donner” the rim straight with a rock at the time….
I've owned both TA and DL 650 and have done over 50,000 km on each. I can only praise both of them.

 My suggestion would be to take both the TA 700 and DL for a spin. Usually within the first 2 km you can feel which bike appeals to you. If that doesn't seal the deal and you’re still confused, the cheapest one you can find with the lowest kilometres should do. The good news is you can't go wrong with either.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on January 31, 2014, 11:27:48 pm
Ok there is a guy on this forum, ZAR who is on his second DL and he loves riding at GRoot Marico and it is just mountains and rock. Especially the 'roller coaster' and he has never bend a rim and swear by the DL. I habe a DL 650 L2 (work paramedic response bike) and often takes it off road (shh) and yet no problem what so ever. I like the TA as well, always liked it and nearly bought one myself at some stage new but hell man, do yourself a favour and ride them back to back. The TA is plain boring compared to the suz engine. That is one sweet mil
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on February 01, 2014, 05:13:52 pm
Thanks guys. Appreciate your valuable input.

TVB- I have always use enduro choops which are thick and don't puncture that easy. Also have that  "slime" bompies with me. It ill probably help in need.

Just looking/reading back on this thread it is evident that both the TA and V-Strom is perfect for South African conditions.
Both Honda and Suzuki, even Yamaha, Kawa and KTM has been with us for a very long time and are superb brands.
Looking at technology, all bikes are very equal and it boils to probably personal appealing I guess.

I'm gonna have to test drive both the TA and V Strom with the well presented information I got from each of your dogs in the back of my mind, to get to the final decision.

Thanks for all your help guys.




 

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Bliknêrs on February 01, 2014, 07:22:14 pm
Please remember to update this post with your thoughts once you get going it will make a great reference.
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on February 20, 2014, 03:47:28 pm
HI GUYS

EVENTUALLY, DECIDED ON THE VSTROM, 2010 MODEL. GETTINGIT SOON, JUST FINISHING THE NITTY-GRITTY FINANCE

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING, SEE YOU ON THE ROAD.

CHEERS :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on February 20, 2014, 04:25:37 pm
HI GUYS

EVENTUALLY, DECIDED ON THE VSTROM, 2010 MODEL. GETTINGIT SOON, JUST FINISHING THE NITTY-GRITTY FINANCE

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING, SEE YOU ON THE ROAD.

CHEERS :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:


And you won't be sorry, congrats and may you have many safe miles and smiles on that machine!
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Strompie on February 26, 2014, 11:48:04 am
HI GUYS

EVENTUALLY, DECIDED ON THE VSTROM, 2010 MODEL. GETTINGIT SOON, JUST FINISHING THE NITTY-GRITTY FINANCE

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING, SEE YOU ON THE ROAD.

CHEERS :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:


Al tik jy in hoofletters, dis OK. Goeie keuse. Nou waars die kiekie ?
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on March 10, 2014, 01:59:20 pm
Hi strompie/fellow dogs

I'm busy with the seat .

Will send a pic as soon as the seat is fitted. Will be finished this week.

Cheers :-\

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on March 10, 2014, 02:04:49 pm
Thanks TVB

Got to get used to the bike......I'm used to higher scramblers like the tenere and klr.

Something I notice - the pull away of the tenere and even klr was instant where the strom does not have that instant power when opening the throttle.

Mmmmm  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on March 10, 2014, 02:11:22 pm
Thanks TVB

Got to get used to the bike......I'm used to higher scramblers like the tenere and klr.

Something I notice - the pull away of the tenere and even klr was instant where the strom does not have that instant power when opening the throttle.

Mmmmm  :-\ :-\


Unfortunately on some of the previous model a bit sluggish yes, also low down a bit of a surge (very slow tech riding) but not to bad. As soon as the revs go above 3000 they smooth out. I am unfortunately not sure if there is a software update to rectify this. The L2 (new shape) has not got this problem and is smooth throughout the entire rev range up to the limiter @ 1000rpm
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on March 11, 2014, 10:40:45 am
Thx for the info

Not extra bugs for a newer model (dammm), have to get used to it for now..

Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on March 11, 2014, 10:48:00 am
Maybe have the bike looked at on a dyno??... sound like it's a bit pap? Hope you come right mate! :thumleft:
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: TVB on March 11, 2014, 11:14:54 am
As hy baie krag bo deur het (se van 5000rpm+) en deurtrek tot op 10 000rpm is daar nie n probleem. Die L1 was effe stadig uit die blokke uit en n bietjie sluggish teen lae rpm (tegniese ry) maar die L2 trek heeltemal smooth regdeur en is baie responsive op lae rpm. Jy kan dit search daar sal inligting wees op uk forums waar die bike ongelooflik gewild is. Weet net een ding, jy het n moerse betroubare en goeie bike al is dit die L1. Mens pas vinnig aan, baie goeie toerfiets en off road capable! Ek ry die werk bike soms op baie tegniese gebiede en die krag red soms my gat!
Title: Re: TRANSALP 700 OR SUZUKI 650 V-STORM?
Post by: rightless on March 13, 2014, 11:41:41 am
Thx guys

I still want to give it one big service at the agents. It will probably help with clean air intake ect.

Yes I think I have a great bike. :thumleft:

 Just that darnnnn seat that is at the upholsterer. >:( >:( >:( It messes with my "riding time" It's two weeks already. Went there yesterday and he haven't even started it. So I took the seat and sponge and did the heightening of the seat  last knight myself. Came out great and took it back for the covers. Hope it will be done by tomorrow. Yeah, we only have two upholsterer in town, not like in the city where if they don't produce, you go to the next one.  :-\