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General => General Bike Related Banter => To Buy or Not To Buy => Topic started by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 09:38:26 pm

Title: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 09:38:26 pm
Hi. I am a newbie when it comes to the world of bikes. At the moment I am doing research on bikes to get a target I can put for my self. In about tree months I would really want to be going on about my new bike and how much I love it. At this stage I only have the bikes in my dreams.

I drove a scooter for a few years so not totally clueless but I dont thing it can be compaired. I would like to know about a few entry level good value for money bikes. Any ideas and advice welcome.

I spoke to a friend of mine and he told me go with a honda dual sport because they last for ever. So I did some research and found the crf 250l. That sounded like an ideal bike. My problem is a new one is expensive and second hand is hard to find and mostly up in joburg (I am in cape town). Then a Lady on the site sent me a link to a bike she is selling, a aprilia pegaso 660 trail. At first I thought it would be way to much bike for me but after some research I am much more comfortable with the idea.

I would like to get advice from any one and every one on what would be a good bike to start off with. What I would like in the bike is as follows: I will be using it for day to day commuting to work and back and then the every now and then getting away(most likely far away) and even the of chance of going offroad. I dont want to go fast but would like to be able to do atleast 120kph. I want some thing in the price range of up to 50k and will need to be able to get financing as I dont have stacks of cash. I am very new to al this an most of the technical turms go right over my head so please try and keep it simple.

Thank you very much. I will be awaiting your responce.

Pardon my english as I were born Afrikaans.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Teapot on March 19, 2014, 09:47:45 pm
Howzit Frankie3 welcome to mad dog house.
Best advice- go out and test bikes before you buy and also the best for your needs and purposes. Don't listen to all the advice but that which you feel after testing a bike. Don't rush it either. Your first real big bike will be you first love. Advice for a nebie who wants to do adventure riding and you want to hit the no so travelled parts then invest in going for lessons at a good adventure training academy and tits is your friend haha. (Time in the saddle) ;)

Enjoy dude.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: mox on March 19, 2014, 10:00:24 pm
Hey Mnr, depends on how much highway travelling you will be doing. Small bikes can manage on back roads and most gravel(in fact pretty much all gravel an mud) but if you are commuting on Gauteng roads look for something slightly bigger and take your time to get to know the bike and yourself. Twist of right wrist and your brain are your control, the rest is up to your awareness of the chops on the road. Oh and welcome Mnr !

edit: have enough in the motor to counter traffic in the slow lane  :ricky:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 10:08:00 pm
The problem is that I can test drive 100 bikes and each one will be the best thing I have ever had. For the moment I just want to get into it. Its not like I am going to do a cross country trip in the first month. I want to start of slow and start of right. Thanks for your input teapot.

Mox, I dont mind travelling back roads with a bike but in a car its not nice. I want to get some thing reliable and easy to ride so that I can get to know my self without spending time in the hospital.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:10:27 pm
Hey Franky,

luister ou kwagga, hier gaan jy baie stories hoor en baie advice kry. Die honne weet waarvan hul praat  :patch: en sommige van hulle laaik net
baie kak praat.  >:D

Soos Teapot se, gaan ry eers so paar fietse. Kyk wat by jou pas en hoe gemaklik jy op hul voel. Daarna is dit eenvoudig, koop die deng en ry!  :3some:

Hoe meer jy ry, hoe lekkerder word dit en hoe meer gemakliker raak jy.
Vir daai R50000 budget sal jy op die site genoeg rygoed vind.
Vra maar vir honne om skenkings te gee vir kit - die ouens is baie vrygewig, vra maar rond. Hier help almal mekaar!
Daar is ook oorgenoeg bike in die Kaap te vinde!

Vra vir advice as jy nie seker is nie - almal sal weereens help!

Voorspoed en WELKOM!!!

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:14:14 pm
The problem is that I can test drive 100 bikes and each one will be the best thing I have ever had. For the moment I just want to get into it. Its not like I am going to do a cross country trip in the first month. I want to start of slow and start of right. Thanks for your input teapot.

Mox, I dont mind travelling back roads with a bike but in a car its not nice. I want to get some thing reliable and easy to ride so that I can get to know my self without spending time in the hospital.

Franky - moenie die saak te erg oordink nie - jy gaan jouself net opfok en nie weet wat jy wil he nie. Test ride en dan koop!
Pros en cons op papier en kyk watter een jy die beste geniet het en daarna watter een jy kan bekostig!

I want to start of slow and start of right. - test ride boeta, only way! :thumleft:

Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 10:19:34 pm
Hahaha. Ek het gehoop vir bikie meer spesifieke raad maar daai sal doen. Kan ek dan net in n rigting gewys word, soos byvoorbeeld n paar tiepe bikes. Op google searches gooi hulle in elk geval vir jou enige iets net naastenby related uit so dit sal n groot hulp wees.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:22:15 pm
ok,is jy n vetgat soos ek, of maer?
wanna laas het jy gery?
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 10:30:46 pm
Ek sal se eks midelmatig. Ek weeg so amper 80kg. Ek het 3jaar laas gery en toe was dit n 150 vuka scooter(grootste gemors onder die son in my oe).
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Teapot on March 19, 2014, 10:32:58 pm
Just one more tip. Your bike and you will find each other. You will test some bikes then you'll get on that special one and will just feel right and you'll feel it and know it. 50k is a quite a nice a decent budget for a great bike.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:35:09 pm
Ek sal se eks midelmatig. Ek weeg so amper 80kg. Ek het 3jaar laas gery en toe was dit n 150 vuka scooter(grootste gemors onder die son in my oe).

ok - so wat van 650BMW, Dakar, F800gs, Klr 650 ens?
klein genoeg om mee te begin en kan altyd upgrade na groter bikes toe later  
Die ander mag dalk miskien te groot wees vir jou.... ???

KTM moer mooi na baie duur, alhoewel ek hul ook baie laaik
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:36:15 pm
Just one more tip. Your bike and you will find each other. You will test some bikes then you'll get on that special one and will just feel right and you'll feel it and know it. 50k is a quite a nice a decent budget for a great bike.


agreed! Teapot, why not give the lad some info on the F800 you got  ???
he might appreciate that :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: mox on March 19, 2014, 10:38:05 pm
 :thumleft: so true Mnr
Just one more tip. Your bike and you will find each other. You will test some bikes then you'll get on that special one and will just feel right and you'll feel it and know it. 50k is a quite a nice a decent budget for a great bike.

Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Jondu on March 19, 2014, 10:38:21 pm
Begin by 650's en werk dan op. Vat net jou tyd met die besluit. Daar is te veel bikes om van te kies. Kyk na als wat jy kan kry in elke groep. Ons ry KLR en Bmw 1200 gs. En dit is beide reg.
Welkom by die forum.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 19, 2014, 10:50:17 pm
Thanks for all the input. Just a comment,50k is as high as I can go and thats being optimistic. I will start my research in the right direction. Thank you guys.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: snortjoppie on March 19, 2014, 10:53:55 pm
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Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: mox on March 19, 2014, 11:07:18 pm
Okay seriously, you dont want a big powerful bike bit you need something reasonable that you can handle. 650 class.(make up to you . Search through the forum) Easy to ride, they all give you enough oomph on the highway to be able to travel highway speeds safely. You dont want a scoot that can only manage 120 max middle lane and trying to match traffic speeds. It's down right dangerous. As my pappy always said to me, have a vehicle that you can ride with in your limits but make sure if need be it can get you out of kak. With 50k you have a good scope of bikes. Keep your eye on the forum. Some fantastic bikes have been around lately !
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 20, 2014, 05:54:34 am
Thank you mox. You are 100% right I dont want a big monster of a bike. Before I thought that a 650 would be to big for me but I hear they are quite easy to handle. I will keep an eye on the forum, still need to figure out exactly how it works on here. I love it allready. Thanks to every one.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: edgy on March 20, 2014, 08:16:14 am
In that price range, simple.....KLR, XRL or DR 650 - all very versatile,very reliable and tick all your requirements!!
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Yefimovich˛ on March 20, 2014, 08:38:42 am
Dont fall into the "let me buy a small bike to start with" trap, you'll have it about a month before looking to replace it.

In my case I just kept it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Dirty Boy on March 20, 2014, 08:54:46 am
In that price range, simple.....KLR, XRL or DR 650 - all very versatile,very reliable and tick all your requirements!!

If R50k is your budget you should easily be able to get one of the above. I would suggest that you keep some money in reserve for the kit you will be buying at the same time. Decent jacket, gloves, helmet and later boots and pants. Then you will want to personalise your bike with certain farkles. It doesnt stop but some things are more important than others.

Spend lots of time on the forum and ask questions. The answers are here even if the question hasnt been asked.
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: cheesy on March 22, 2014, 03:55:32 am
Have a look at: BMW 650 gs, Honda Trans Alp, 650 KLR, all good commuters and distance bikes. BMW also have a very active club. Service and spares are available on all the above.
Consider the overall condition, mileage etc. Try and buy from a dealer if possible who will give you a good 3 or 6 month guarantee, read that part of the deal properly. :)
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Rynet on March 22, 2014, 07:17:25 am
Hi Franky welcome to the forum. :thumleft:

 I agree with Dirty Boy, buy a bike for around R40k and save the rest for ATGATT , all the gear all the time . You must have decent boots when you commute that must cover your ankles and be sturdy . Wear knee guards at all times ,even going to the shops , as feet and knees are the biggest casualties in accidents . For off-road you should get proper off-road boots and they costs a few thousand . Good helmet , jacket , gloves also essential. Camera and money left for bike trips and insure the bike before you ride it the first time .

Some bikes also need to be upgraded before they are user -friendly. The Kawasaki KLR and Honda XRL both need about R10K upgrades , although you don't have to do all of them. So if you buy from a shop you would still have to do the upgrades .

 If you buy from someone well -known on this forum , you could get one of these that are already upgraded. The XRL is not so nice on tar , so I would go for the KLR. It is a lovely commuting bike as it is comfortable and yet you could also use it very easily off -road. I got mine , already upgraded , from someone in Johannesburg. I love mine. The brakes are not that great , but then I have a problem with my right hand and the accelerator . For a first timer the brakes should be more than adequate. Go look under the bike specific part of the forum and ask questions there . I would stay away from gumtree , unless you know what you are doing , too much fraud .

I don't know enough about the DR , but you can speak to Le Cap about those , they are apparently also very able.  The BMW will be more expensive and I don't think the 650 is so nice to use off-road . The BMW 800 is great , but expensive , and the parts are expensive too, so maybe not so good for first time user. The KLR is all you need . :biggrin:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Pistonpete on March 22, 2014, 07:37:34 am
Budget for bike
Budget for ATGATT

xxxx Honda 650 TransAlp
xx    Honda 650 XRL
xxx   Suzuki 650 VStrom
xx     Suzuki DR650
xxxx  Yamaha XT660R
xxxx BMW 650 Dakar
xxx   Kawasaki KLR650

Have fun.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Franky3 on March 23, 2014, 08:35:22 am
Thank you every body. Im glad I didnt fall into the ''start with a small bike" trap. I knew that I will have to spend some money on gear. I beleive in wearing the right gear. I just want to ask rynet, What is the upgrades you are talking about to make the bike user friendly?
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 23, 2014, 08:39:45 am
The Suzuki DR 650 is now being sold out/discontinued at around R52K, new...!
So financing would be easy, I would not normally recommend a new bike for starting out, but this time it may have merit...
(underrated, lightweight , carbureted 650). Good value for money.

650 class probably ideal for you.
Invest in good protective gear, it IS necessary.
Feet and ankle protection is very important....
There is PLENTY of GOOD 2nd hand gear out there, you do not have to buy new.
Doing an intro course is one of the best investments you can make.
Oh, and:

Doing an intro course is one of the best investments you can make.

Welcome, enjoy, and be safe
Chris
Title: Re: Advice for new rider
Post by: Rynet on March 23, 2014, 01:28:40 pm
Thank you every body. Im glad I didnt fall into the ''start with a small bike" trap. I knew that I will have to spend some money on gear. I beleive in wearing the right gear. I just want to ask rynet, What is the upgrades you are talking about to make the bike user friendly?

When I bought my KLR from someone on the forum, it had these extras already on, which saved me money and time :

"Extras on the bike includes:
1) SW Motech crashbars
2) SW Motech bashplate
3) SW Motech centre stand
4) HID High beam
5) RaceTech back suspension spring upgrade (Stiffer Spring)
6) Front fork spring upgrade (Stiffer Spring)
7) Zeta hand guards
8)Cool PowerFlo Exhaust
9) Raising Links for more Ground Clearance (Still have the originals)
10) 12V power socket (Lighter en Hella)
11) Handle bar risers.
12) LED rear turn indicators.
13) wide offroad footpegs
14) Front fork brace"

I took nr 8 and 14 off as it made the bike handle badly . I added a suspension upgrade at Martin Petzold in Milnerton, who put in another shock in the front on top of the other one to make it better off and on road and not nosedive . And he put braided brake hose on for me . And I think that's it. O yes , the Doohicky had been done already . Don't ask me what it is , but it has to be done . :imaposer:

Not all of the above is necessary , I think the Doohicky is, but the rest I think not . Nice , but you can ride without it , I think. With the XRL you can see on that board what the guys do .

Sent you a pm as well . :thumleft: