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Title: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 03, 2014, 12:43:22 am
Anyone else see this?  Happened to my mate recently.  He says his other '13's are cracked too.  I heard this was an issue with the '13 models that was apparently addressed in the '14 model?

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Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on April 03, 2014, 05:20:09 am
Oh no, that does not look good. Has it been repaired yet, or what did BMW have to say about this???
Title: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 03, 2014, 07:42:47 am
Wow, never seen this. Did 9500km on a '13 and this did not happen.

Worth searching the global forums though.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 03, 2014, 04:53:30 pm
Oh no, that does not look good. Has it been repaired yet, or what did BMW have to say about this???

It has not been fixed yet.  He has been trying to sort it out w/BMW and the dealer for about 11 weeks now.  I'm not sure what BMW is saying about it at this point, just that it's not fixed yet.  I could understand if they were claiming "abuse" but it sounds like there are a few other bikes with cracks too and that BMW reinforced this area on the '14 models, indicating they knew it was a problem.

He has been quite the brand ambassador for BMW for years now as a mfg-endorsed instructor as well as the dealer leading a group of riders in his area on various weekend trips and longer ones too.  I have done a few rides with him like the COBDR (Colorado Backcountry Discovery Route).  I know he rides a lot of dirt but I've never seen him abuse the bike or try and ride it in a way that would break it like this.

I just started yesterday doing a search of some forums like this one and advrider and haven't come up with any examples yet, but it is still a new bike and not as many take them off road like we do.

My advice would be if you have a '13 GS LC, to check this area for any cracks and report them immediately.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 03, 2014, 04:55:17 pm
This was his message on Facebook yesterday:

Hi folks I just want to give you little snapshot of the picture of my 2013 BMW watercooled bike since it's been in the shop for 10 1/2 weeks as of today. Bmw has been the most unpleasant business to deal with as far as warranty goes that I've ever had to deal with in my life. For you people out there that know me my bike is very important to me I ride every single day and promote their brand and I have been getting the shaft for the last 10 plus weeks. This is supposed to be a warranty issue and they supposed to of tried to fix it that is not worked yet and they will not make a decision on trying to get me into another bike I am so frustrated, I hope no one has to deal with this it will put you over the edge I promises. There has been four of these bikes that we ride with as of right now that are cracked also.
More to come later.
Title: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 03, 2014, 05:31:19 pm
He needs a new dealer :deal:

Not acceptable!

Edit: I have seen some pictures and understand the situation better. My sincerest condolences to the dealer.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Ratt on April 03, 2014, 05:54:00 pm
Let's all buy BMW's they have been around the world and is so good and what not with the garage card.

And you ppl argue with 2SD, ffs, can't you see it yet  :deal:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Garfield on April 03, 2014, 06:32:32 pm
Let's all buy BMW's they have been around the world and is so good and what not with the garage card.

And you ppl argue with 2SD, ffs, can't you see it yet  :deal:

Waar daar 'n anti BMW thread is kan jy maar deesdae kyk, daar is ook 'n rot...

Pasop dat die anti BMW ding nie 'n obsessie raak nie, probeer objektief bly  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 03, 2014, 06:38:44 pm
Iewers op een of ander forum het ek dieselde gesien,,,,,, ek glo nie hierdie was die enigste of eerste een nie,

Cam shaft probleme, nek wat breek,, albei ernstige probleme,,, dit laat mens nogal dink,,, :patch:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Garfield on April 03, 2014, 06:41:33 pm
Iewers op een of ander forum het ek dieselde gesien,,,,,, ek glo nie hierdie was die enigste of eerste een nie,

Cam shaft probleme, nek wat breek,, albei ernstige probleme,,, dit laat mens nogal dink,,, :patch:

Presies hoekom ek gelukkig is om nog my argaiese 2011 te ry tot die LC v1.01 issues almal uitgesort is.

Ek glo die nuwe LC is 'n great bike maar sal rustig wag vir nog so 'n jaar.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 03, 2014, 06:49:12 pm
Iewers op een of ander forum het ek dieselde gesien,,,,,, ek glo nie hierdie was die enigste of eerste een nie,

Cam shaft probleme, nek wat breek,, albei ernstige probleme,,, dit laat mens nogal dink,,, :patch:

Presies hoekom ek gelukkig is om nog my argaiese 2011 te ry tot die LC v1.01 issues almal uitgesort is.

Ek glo die nuwe LC is 'n great bike maar sal rustig wag vir nog so 'n jaar.

Presies, ek dink ook dit is 'n great bike maar van dat hy die lig gesien het was daar maar net te veel ernstige probleme,,,,, hoe het BMW die fiets ge toets ?  :patch:

Dink dit is baie wys om maar eerder eers te wag en te kyk.  :deal:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 03, 2014, 07:36:08 pm
Iewers op een of ander forum het ek dieselde gesien,,,,,, ek glo nie hierdie was die enigste of eerste een nie,

Cam shaft probleme, nek wat breek,, albei ernstige probleme,,, dit laat mens nogal dink,,, :patch:

Presies hoekom ek gelukkig is om nog my argaiese 2011 te ry tot die LC v1.01 issues almal uitgesort is.

Ek glo die nuwe LC is 'n great bike maar sal rustig wag vir nog so 'n jaar.

Yes, I'm happy with my 2011 GSA too.  68,000 km's and still going strong.  Was going to get the KTM 1190 R in December then lost my job  :'(  I wanted something a bit lighter, with 21/18 wheels and more suspension travel.  Will have to wait on that a bit longer.

The biggest question I had with the new LC GS was would it be as good in the dirt as the last one?  It's a fantastic street bike but it seemed BMW was moving more towards the urban Euro commuter who rarely takes it off road.  I hope there is some truth to what I heard about them fixing this problem in the '14 models but I am not certain.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Beebop on April 03, 2014, 07:36:53 pm
I seem to remember about 5 years ago, the GSXR's were also having neck issues, and
Suzuki wanted the guys to bring them in to have additional re-inforcing plates glued
onto the frame.
The thing that people have to face up to is that if you have a 5% failure rate on for example
the ST10, thats maybe 10 bikes in South Africa.
5% on the GS is about 100, so you certainly going to hear more about the BM failures
simply because of the maths.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 03, 2014, 07:59:38 pm
None of us are blind to the faults. I am certainly happy that it comes to light, so if my dealer issues the standard response of "First time I've seen this" I can call BS. We learnt a lot from the forum, and constructive comments really help more than being blind for the faults. Constructive comments are also more useful than just repeating the same sermon over and over...yawn.

My experience is that BMW goes the extra mile....and this is not the first brand that I've seen crack a frame...
Title: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 03, 2014, 08:36:27 pm
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 03, 2014, 08:48:23 pm
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.

Ai tog, van waneer af is die GS threads geheimsinige threads  :patch:

Ek dink dit is 'n oop thread en dit is juis waarom enige iemand daar kan post en hulle mening gee, as daar 'n probleem is moet dit tog sekerlik op die lappe kom of moet dit weg gesteek word en stil stil verdwyn.

Seker maar 'n algemene probleem by brand vaste mense, mense wat nie brand vas is nie is oor die algemeen nie skaam om oor die swak punte op hulle brands te praat nie, as jy die reply's weer gaan lees sal jy sien dat daar genoem is dat dit 'n great bike is,,,,,,, maar dit beteken seker nie hy is foutloos nie,, of hoe ?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 03, 2014, 08:52:02 pm
Post deleted. Stay on topic 2SD
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Garfield on April 03, 2014, 08:55:27 pm
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.

Wow...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on April 03, 2014, 09:06:33 pm
Lets stay on topic please gents. I do not feel like moderating tonight 👍

Take it easy 2SD...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 03, 2014, 09:12:46 pm
Got some good info off the Facetubes...  

This guy says they've seen it already and Touratech CZ already has a part!  No part # yet because it's new but he describes as this: Touratech CZ offers an enforcement kit for roughly 100 Euro.. it is basically a longer axle with a second mounting point at the end of this stem! ... my personal impression is, that BMW used a poor material, or the manufacturing process is weak, so some bikes are fine, some others might break... However, I would recommend that Touratech part for any 1200Gs LC...it's not yet in the catalogue.. you need to contact Tom Kocanda

I just want to share some info, learn what others have experienced and then find out if anything good comes from it.  I see no point in demonizing BMW (or the rider).  They sold 500,000 of them so they must be doing something a few people like enough to buy.  It's not always perfect but I'm sure they will sort this one out eventually.

I guess advrider is no the only forum that has to deal with trolling   :imaposer:  A mod's work is never done.   ;)
Title: Re:
Post by: nielvn on April 03, 2014, 09:17:53 pm
Shit I am getting my gsa tomorrow.

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Title: Re:
Post by: Garfield on April 03, 2014, 09:28:36 pm
Shit I am getting my gsa tomorrow.

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The original post mentions it was changed in '14 models, maybe someone here can check and confirm?

It looks like a very dangerous failure, even if it is isolated to very few bikes.

No, I am not trolling, I am interested and also have an opinion since in the next year or so I will be buying a new bike, so stuff like this is important to me too, just saying  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 03, 2014, 10:25:45 pm
Shit I am getting my gsa tomorrow.

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The original post mentions it was changed in '14 models, maybe someone here can check and confirm?

It looks like a very dangerous failure, even if it is isolated to very few bikes.

No, I am not trolling, I am interested and also have an opinion since in the next year or so I will be buying a new bike, so stuff like this is important to me too, just saying  ;)

I checked mine against the photo but cannot see any change unless it was reinforced under the surface. Will try and compare with a '13 over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Dcjet on April 03, 2014, 11:03:52 pm
Why don't you go to the guys Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7221200&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7221200&type=1)) and see what he has been doing with his bike.
It puts the failure in perspective - especially for the trolls.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 05:06:21 am
Why don't you go to the guys Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7221200&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7221200&type=1)) and see what he has been doing with his bike.
It puts the failure in perspective - especially for the trolls.

I cannot access the link?
Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: silvrav on April 04, 2014, 06:11:09 am
Shit I am getting my gsa tomorrow.

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Well yhey stated its reinforced in the '14 module and with the extra weight of the gsa i assume it will be reinforced as standard?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Dcjet on April 04, 2014, 06:36:06 am
My linking skills obviously suck - search for Jason Houle on Facebook - he looks like he can give the KTM plastics a run on an enduro track with the GS.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 07:06:08 am
Shit I am getting my gsa tomorrow.

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Well yhey stated its reinforced in the '14 module and with the extra weight of the gsa i assume it will be reinforced as standard?

According to a very long discussion I read on UKGSer, the frame design changed during the final design of the GSA. It's not clear why and it cannot be confirmed it is in any way related to this topic. My assessment is that the change was required to accommodate the slightly different attachments and it just make sense to use one standard frame.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 07:09:40 am
My linking skills obviously suck - search for Jason Houle on Facebook - he looks like he can give the KTM plastics a run on an enduro track with the GS.

:thumleft: have seen some of those pictures online. Sure looks great, but I am not convinced the 1200 was designed for that. If this is indeed the man then he may have a challenge claiming from warranty although if I was BMW I would keep him happy. These pictures get's a lot of current and future GS riders exited, that's good publicity.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 07:39:36 am
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.

Ai tog, van waneer af is die GS threads geheimsinige threads  :patch:

Ek dink dit is 'n oop thread en dit is juis waarom enige iemand daar kan post en hulle mening gee, as daar 'n probleem is moet dit tog sekerlik op die lappe kom of moet dit weg gesteek word en stil stil verdwyn.

Seker maar 'n algemene probleem by brand vaste mense, mense wat nie brand vas is nie is oor die algemeen nie skaam om oor die swak punte op hulle brands te praat nie, as jy die reply's weer gaan lees sal jy sien dat daar genoem is dat dit 'n great bike is,,,,,,, maar dit beteken seker nie hy is foutloos nie,, of hoe ?

Jammer man, was glad nie op jou gemik nie. Het effe vies geraak toe ek 'n rot ruik :deal:

Ek ondersteun 100% dat die probleem in die onderwerp bespreek word en ons almal sodoende beter ingelig is. Stem ook dat die fietse nie foutloos is nie, vra my maar ek ry al my tweede LC. Mens gee egter nie boedel oor en verander van handelsmerk elke keer wat jy hoor van 'n probleem nie, of mis ek nou iets? Ek is ook nie 'n groot voorstaner van redeneer oor gerugte nie. As daar moeilikheid is, kom ons analiseer die probleem gebasseer op die beskikbare feite. Gerugte help nie die saak nie.

PS: Tussen my huis in Durbanville en die plaas het ek een BMW, een Honda, een Yamaha, twee Suzuki's, een Kawasaki en as ek my sin kry binnekort ook 'n KTM. In my eie minder beskeie opinie is ek glad nie so handelsmerk lojaal nie :joker:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Dcjet on April 04, 2014, 07:55:50 am
It is definitely the same guy - his wall has a long thread from him about it - I can understand why BMW is holding back on replacing the frame under warranty, something the OP was not open about.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 04, 2014, 08:34:32 am
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.

Ai tog, van waneer af is die GS threads geheimsinige threads  :patch:

Ek dink dit is 'n oop thread en dit is juis waarom enige iemand daar kan post en hulle mening gee, as daar 'n probleem is moet dit tog sekerlik op die lappe kom of moet dit weg gesteek word en stil stil verdwyn.

Seker maar 'n algemene probleem by brand vaste mense, mense wat nie brand vas is nie is oor die algemeen nie skaam om oor die swak punte op hulle brands te praat nie, as jy die reply's weer gaan lees sal jy sien dat daar genoem is dat dit 'n great bike is,,,,,,, maar dit beteken seker nie hy is foutloos nie,, of hoe ?

Jammer man, was glad nie op jou gemik nie. Het effe vies geraak toe ek 'n rot ruik :deal:

Ek ondersteun 100% dat die probleem in die onderwerp bespreek word en ons almal sodoende beter ingelig is. Stem ook dat die fietse nie foutloos is nie, vra my maar ek ry al my tweede LC. Mens gee egter nie boedel oor en verander van handelsmerk elke keer wat jy hoor van 'n probleem nie, of mis ek nou iets? Ek is ook nie 'n groot voorstaner van redeneer oor gerugte nie. As daar moeilikheid is, kom ons analiseer die probleem gebasseer op die beskikbare feite. Gerugte help nie die saak nie.

PS: Tussen my huis in Durbanville en die plaas het ek een BMW, een Honda, een Yamaha, twee Suzuki's, een Kawasaki en as ek my sin kry binnekort ook 'n KTM. In my eie minder beskeie opinie is ek glad nie so handelsmerk lojaal nie :joker:

Geen probleem,, :thumleft:

Ek haat dit net as mense weet daar is 'n fout of moontlike fout en hulle probeer dit weg steek om hulle brand keuse te beskerm,,, ek meen, die goed kos geld en dit is nou nie juis dat ons as Jan Publiek profit share op die brands se profits kry nie,

Wat wel tel is dat dit op die lappe moet kom en sodoende te keer dat probleme weg gesteek raak en onskuldige mense die spit moet af byt,

Ek is self nou weer in die mark om 'n nuwe fiets te koop en moet eerlik wees die 1200 LC het nice looks en ek hou van hom,, maar die enigste rede hoekom ek glad nie op die stadium na hom sal kyk nie is omdat daar maar net te veel dinge sovr met hom fout gegaan het soos , engine failier (Cam), frame wat breek ens,  So persoonlik dink ek ek sal 'n dwaas wees om nou een te koop en te hoop dit gebeur nie met my dalk iewers op 'n af gelee pad nie,

Dit is regtig 'n great bike, maar ek vertrou hom nie, nie voordat BMW al sy probleme uit gesorteer het nie, en ek val ook nie vir daai sales trick van die bike is onder waranty nie, waranty help my niks as ek op 'n af gelee plek in die Karoo, Nam of Mosambiek staan nie,

So verstaan my asb reg, ek probeer glad nie die bike af kraak nie maar mens kan nie anders as om te twyfel nie,

Ek weet nie of hierdie dieselfde fiets is wat in die thread genoem word nie, maar die een se nek het ook geknak,

 
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 09:12:15 am
Het al die foto gesien maar hy is baie ouer. Die geval genoem in die OP se fiets is ook nie ao skoon nie :joker:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Ratt on April 04, 2014, 09:14:21 am
LKM, moenie jou so opwerk nie.

Wat ek bedoel het met my stelling is dat almal n BMW 'moet' ry omdat hy so 'goed' is dat hy om die wereld kan ry.n China bike kan dit ook doen. Elke bike het sy pro's en cons.

 Ek is glad nie brand biased nie, my moermeter klim net baie gou as iemand s BMW is so bitter goed en elke 2e thread wys n flaw uit en dan bedonner die garages hulle ook nog.

As dit nie was dat die engine te groot is vir die frame nie, sou ek ook n 1**0 BMW gery het heel moontlik, die 800 is die reg, net way over priced.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 09:17:32 am
Jakkals, voor jy oor die fiets besluit, skakel met manne soos SBG, Slovac, Crankshaft, BikerJan en vele ander wat 10k kilos en meer sonder moeilikheid gery het.

Ek dink die K50 eienaars is baie uitgesproke en wat jy op internet sien is 'n goeie refleksie van die waarheid.

Ek kon ook nog geen bevestiging kry dat enige van die probleme ervaar is met 'n '14 K50 nie.

Sterkte met die koop, jy het 'n lekker wye verskeidenheid keuses van uitsonderlike fietse in die 1200 klas!
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 04, 2014, 09:47:43 am
Jakkals, voor jy oor die fiets besluit, skakel met manne soos SBG, Slovac, Crankshaft, BikerJan en vele ander wat 10k kilos en meer sonder moeilikheid gery het.

Ek dink die K50 eienaars is baie uitgesproke en wat jy op internet sien is 'n goeie refleksie van die waarheid.

Ek kon ook nog geen bevestiging kry dat enige van die probleme ervaar is met 'n '14 K50 nie.

Sterkte met die koop, jy het 'n lekker wye verskeidenheid keuses van uitsonderlike fietse in die 1200 klas!

Ek het reeds besluit wat ek wil koop, en net om te bewys ek is nie brand vas nie kan ek noem dat ek ook na die 800 GSA gaan kyk het maar wat my af gesit het van hom is dat hy glad nie pillion friendly is nie, ek toer gereeld en l lang distansies af met 'n pillion en dus sal hy nie vir my werk nie,

Ek stem saam dat daar baie ouens is wat geen probleme met die LC het nie,, maar die probleme wat wel op gekom het is ernstige probleme en is nie 'n quikfix langs die pad nie.

My punt is, a.g.v die genoemde probleme geval die LC my nie, daar is baie ander goed waaroor ek my moet bekomer as ek ry as om in my agter kop te dink aan 'n engine of 'n nek wat kan knak,, ek toer gereeld plekke soos Mosambiek, Nam en vr af gelee plekke in die Karoo, ek ry meeste van die tyd alleen en glo my die laaste ding wat ek daar wil ondervind is een van die genoemde probleme,

So ja, ek is bly dat daar ouens is wat die fiets koop en toets, ek is bly as daar probleme op kom wat vorentoe herstel kan word en dit dan 'n betroubare fiets maak,,,,, maar ek kan ongelukig nie anders as om te s dat ek nie 'n proef konyn vir enige brand is nie, ek gaan ook nie saam met die stroom nie, net dooie visse gaan saam met die stroom.

Ek noem dit weer, ek wil nie stry nie en doen ook nie brand bashing nie, maar feite is feite en as dit nie was dat ek gekyk het na die LC nie sou ek ook glad nie eers hier gepost het nie.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Garfield on April 04, 2014, 10:08:03 am
Die een is nie stukkend nie Jakkals, dit is die nuwe opsionele ESA Attack Mode setting...

Skuus ek weet ek moes nie, maar kon myself nie keer nie  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 04, 2014, 10:17:32 am
Die een is nie stukkend nie Jakkals, dit is die nuwe opsionele ESA Attack Mode setting...

Skuus ek weet ek moes nie, maar kon myself nie keer nie  :ricky:

:imaposer:

Die een se trailing arm pivot bout het gebreek...selfde uitkoms maar ander oorsaak. Jy sal ook sien dat die man oor die handvatsels geduik het. Kyk na die spieels.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Bring It On on April 04, 2014, 04:01:39 pm
Die een is nie stukkend nie Jakkals, dit is die nuwe opsionele ESA Attack Mode setting...

Skuus ek weet ek moes nie, maar kon myself nie keer nie  :ricky:

:imaposer:

Die een se trailing arm pivot bout het gebreek...selfde uitkoms maar ander oorsaak. Jy sal ook sien dat die man oor die handvatsels geduik het. Kyk na die spieels.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: Lekker lag ek nou vir daai comment.  :lol8: :lol8:

Seriously though.... this issure sure is not a nice thing. sure hope that all affected bikes get sorted out correctly.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 04, 2014, 04:59:25 pm
Die een is nie stukkend nie Jakkals, dit is die nuwe opsionele ESA Attack Mode setting...

Skuus ek weet ek moes nie, maar kon myself nie keer nie  :ricky:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

,,, kan mens 'n aftermarket bypass switch op sit vir die ESA Attack mode,,,,,,,,,,   :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Upgrade on April 04, 2014, 05:14:22 pm
Jakkals, jy was dan juis die proefkonyn vir ons almal met die S10.  Jy kan juis nou weer die rol vervul met die lc, dan voel ek nie so alleen nie.  :pot: Ek sal reel vir jou fiets vir 'n special attack mode setting. :lol8:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 04, 2014, 05:23:46 pm
Jakkals, jy was dan juis die proefkonyn vir ons almal met die S10.  Jy kan juis nou weer die rol vervul met die lc, dan voel ek nie so alleen nie.  :pot: Ek sal reel vir jou fiets vir 'n special attack mode setting. :lol8:

O'nee, moet nie daai fout maak nie, ek het wel die eerste S10 in George gehad maar beslus nie die eerste in die land nie en het ook baie op gelees voor ek ge koop het, net soos met die LC,  :deal:



Nee los maar die reelings vir die switch, ek sien beslus nie 'n LC in die nabye toekoms nie,,,,,,,, hoe s hulle,"mens moet die kat eers mooi uit die boom uit kyk", en op die stadium kan ek nie anders om te s dat ek die LC nie vertrou nie,  imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on April 04, 2014, 06:14:08 pm
Ek het vandag met my vrou gery vanaf Nelspruit na Maputo. Ons l nou hier op die 7de vloer van die Radison hotel en kyk oor die see. 😜

Man, die LC is champion. Tot my vrou, wie se eerste ver trippie die is, is impressed met die fiets en het dit baie geniet. Sy s ons kom volgende naweek weer, en weer met die fiets. Kan jy glo? Sukkel jare om haar op fiets te kry, en nou wil sy nie afklim nie. Dis alles oor dit 'n LC is s ek ...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 04, 2014, 07:32:47 pm
It is definitely the same guy - his wall has a long thread from him about it - I can understand why BMW is holding back on replacing the frame under warranty, something the OP was not open about.

I'm not sure what I wasn't sufficiently open about?  Read my posts again.  I think I made it clear who this guy is, what he's claiming, how he rides and his role in supporting the brand.

The point his riding could have contributed to the problem is a valid one and one that I am not denying.  However, we've also seen cracks in the same area on other bikes not ridden by Jason and have now learned Touratech CZ has a reinforcing plate they're selling.

But please also re-read my post about not wanting to demonize either BMW or the rider here.  That's certainly how a lot of online discussions lead after a few pages but I think what we're all most interested in is if this is a common problem, if it is a design or rider issue, and what can be done to avoid seeing this happen to our own bikes.

These are the types of responses I've been getting so far here and elsewhere:


Cheers!
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 04, 2014, 07:42:04 pm
Het niemand iets beter om te doen as om BMW threads te troll nie?

As jy ervaring het met die probleem, deel asseblief.

As jy raad het vir die man, help hom.

As jy iewers gelees het van soortgelyke probleme, gee vir ons die koppeling dat ons ook kan leer.

Indien jy egter wil nonsens praat, gaan praat in Jou Ma. Daai afdeling is geskep daarvoor, die een is nie.

Ai tog, van waneer af is die GS threads geheimsinige threads  :patch:

Ek dink dit is 'n oop thread en dit is juis waarom enige iemand daar kan post en hulle mening gee, as daar 'n probleem is moet dit tog sekerlik op die lappe kom of moet dit weg gesteek word en stil stil verdwyn.

Seker maar 'n algemene probleem by brand vaste mense, mense wat nie brand vas is nie is oor die algemeen nie skaam om oor die swak punte op hulle brands te praat nie, as jy die reply's weer gaan lees sal jy sien dat daar genoem is dat dit 'n great bike is,,,,,,, maar dit beteken seker nie hy is foutloos nie,, of hoe ?

Jammer man, was glad nie op jou gemik nie. Het effe vies geraak toe ek 'n rot ruik :deal:

Ek ondersteun 100% dat die probleem in die onderwerp bespreek word en ons almal sodoende beter ingelig is. Stem ook dat die fietse nie foutloos is nie, vra my maar ek ry al my tweede LC. Mens gee egter nie boedel oor en verander van handelsmerk elke keer wat jy hoor van 'n probleem nie, of mis ek nou iets? Ek is ook nie 'n groot voorstaner van redeneer oor gerugte nie. As daar moeilikheid is, kom ons analiseer die probleem gebasseer op die beskikbare feite. Gerugte help nie die saak nie.

PS: Tussen my huis in Durbanville en die plaas het ek een BMW, een Honda, een Yamaha, twee Suzuki's, een Kawasaki en as ek my sin kry binnekort ook 'n KTM. In my eie minder beskeie opinie is ek glad nie so handelsmerk lojaal nie :joker:

Geen probleem,, :thumleft:

Ek haat dit net as mense weet daar is 'n fout of moontlike fout en hulle probeer dit weg steek om hulle brand keuse te beskerm,,, ek meen, die goed kos geld en dit is nou nie juis dat ons as Jan Publiek profit share op die brands se profits kry nie,

Wat wel tel is dat dit op die lappe moet kom en sodoende te keer dat probleme weg gesteek raak en onskuldige mense die spit moet af byt,

Ek is self nou weer in die mark om 'n nuwe fiets te koop en moet eerlik wees die 1200 LC het nice looks en ek hou van hom,, maar die enigste rede hoekom ek glad nie op die stadium na hom sal kyk nie is omdat daar maar net te veel dinge sovr met hom fout gegaan het soos , engine failier (Cam), frame wat breek ens,  So persoonlik dink ek ek sal 'n dwaas wees om nou een te koop en te hoop dit gebeur nie met my dalk iewers op 'n af gelee pad nie,

Dit is regtig 'n great bike, maar ek vertrou hom nie, nie voordat BMW al sy probleme uit gesorteer het nie, en ek val ook nie vir daai sales trick van die bike is onder waranty nie, waranty help my niks as ek op 'n af gelee plek in die Karoo, Nam of Mosambiek staan nie,

So verstaan my asb reg, ek probeer glad nie die bike af kraak nie maar mens kan nie anders as om te twyfel nie,

Ek weet nie of hierdie dieselfde fiets is wat in die thread genoem word nie, maar die een se nek het ook geknak,

 

No, that's another bike.  I've seen a few pictures like this out there.  I'll see if I can find any more
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Garfield on April 04, 2014, 10:28:33 pm
Die een is nie stukkend nie Jakkals, dit is die nuwe opsionele ESA Attack Mode setting...

Skuus ek weet ek moes nie, maar kon myself nie keer nie  :ricky:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

,,, kan mens 'n aftermarket bypass switch op sit vir die ESA Attack mode,,,,,,,,,,   :imaposer: :imaposer:

Other brands are ready to race, this one is ready to pounce...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 05, 2014, 06:07:22 am
He he he. Nice one.

How about starting a thread of 13 Wasserboksers that DO NOT have issues?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 05, 2014, 07:30:09 am
He he he. Nice one.

How about starting a thread of 13 Wasserboksers that DO NOT have issues?

Great, and then there will be alot of people riding LC's without knowing there might be a serious problem that might catch them with their pants on their knees,  :deal:

I realy dont think that a problem like this must be kept a secret and die a silent death like most of the BMW problems did amongst some of the BMW riders,

This problem can be fatal for a rider and pillion and people must be aware of it.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 05, 2014, 12:10:09 pm
He he he. Nice one.

How about starting a thread of 13 Wasserboksers that DO NOT have issues?

Great, and then there will be alot of people riding LC's without knowing there might be a serious problem that might catch them with their pants on their knees,  :deal:

I realy dont think that a problem like this must be kept a secret and die a silent death like most of the BMW problems did amongst some of the BMW riders,

This problem can be fatal for a rider and pillion and people must be aware of it.

Agree. Get the issues on the table. Like this thread. The idea about the thread is a concept that we call "a joke"
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 05, 2014, 06:06:35 pm
Turns out one of Jason's mates had his GS LC frame replaced with this "2013 1/2" frame, so I can see how that would add to his frustration.

What I mean by "2013 1/2" is some of the '14 GS's have the new frame but I think before November they were the same frame as the '13 model.  I think someone already mentioned that here.

All new bikes have issues.  The reason I got on this forum was to learn about the 1190 R, which has a few of its own.

The GS LC is still pretty cool though.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/fudgypup/1492460_10151740715041065_313756709_o_zps4e14c691.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 06, 2014, 08:48:43 am
Great picture  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Upgrade on April 06, 2014, 07:31:39 pm
My frame en camchain wil nog nie breek nie. Ek is seker maar net baie gelukkig. :3some:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on April 07, 2014, 08:21:00 am
My frame en camchain wil nog nie breek nie. Ek is seker maar net baie gelukkig. :3some:

Ek glo nie dit sal so groot probleem in SA wees nie,,,, soos ek verstaan kom die probleem glo net voor onder die LC's wat grondpad ry,,,,,,,,, :pot: :peepwall: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: lecap on April 08, 2014, 08:35:37 am
It is definitely the same guy - his wall has a long thread from him about it - I can understand why BMW is holding back on replacing the frame under warranty, something the OP was not open about.

I'm not sure what I wasn't sufficiently open about?  Read my posts again.  I think I made it clear who this guy is, what he's claiming, how he rides and his role in supporting the brand.

The point his riding could have contributed to the problem is a valid one and one that I am not denying.  However, we've also seen cracks in the same area on other bikes not ridden by Jason and have now learned Touratech CZ has a reinforcing plate they're selling.

But please also re-read my post about not wanting to demonize either BMW or the rider here.  That's certainly how a lot of online discussions lead after a few pages but I think what we're all most interested in is if this is a common problem, if it is a design or rider issue, and what can be done to avoid seeing this happen to our own bikes.

These are the types of responses I've been getting so far here and elsewhere:

  • File it at the NHTSA website
  • Go after the dealer using his state's lemon laws
  • Deal directly with BMW NA and bypass the dealer
  • Others should look for the part Touratech CZ is selling
  • More hearsay about the '14 frames being "fixed."
  • It's a rider issue
  • It's a design issue as other frames have cracked and failed

Cheers!

If there are cracks on a number of bikes, someone offers a fix and BMW has reinforced later model frames I would say it looks a teeny wee bit like a design or manufacture issue. Even if only one in a hundred frames fail during their service life.

Just my totally unfounded and personal opinion :D

And no I don't own a LC and have not ridden one. Maybe I go and borrow Jrg's for a spin?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 08, 2014, 09:07:44 am
I have never seen evidence of these cracks nor spoken to someone who has.

If anyone else has, please point us to the dealer/owner, I would like to see where the frame cracks so I can monitor mine.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 08, 2014, 10:44:51 am
Can someone point me to the Touratech thingamabob that is supposed to strengthen the frame? I've looked at the Touratech RSA online shop and can't find it.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 08, 2014, 11:09:06 am
Can someone point me to the Touratech thingamabob that is supposed to strengthen the frame? I've looked at the Touratech RSA online shop and can't find it.

I doubt it will be on any parts catalogue, read carefully:

This guy says they've seen it already and Touratech CZ already has a part!  No part # yet because it's new but he describes as this: Touratech CZ offers an enforcement kit for roughly 100 Euro.. it is basically a longer axle with a second mounting point at the end of this stem! ... my personal impression is, that BMW used a poor material, or the manufacturing process is weak, so some bikes are fine, some others might break... However, I would recommend that Touratech part for any 1200Gs LC...it's not yet in the catalogue.. you need to contact Tom Kocan.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 08, 2014, 11:56:09 am
Exactly, and that is why I am very interested to see this thing. To be totally honest, I've emailed Touratech and searched the web ... Seems like it is a real issue.

That is why I am riding the crap out of the bike, if it has to crack, rather while it is under warrantee n?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Ratt on April 08, 2014, 12:06:08 pm
Exactly, and that is why I am very interested to see this thing. To be totally honest, I've emailed Touratech and searched the web ... Seems like it is a real issue.

That is why I am riding the crap out of the bike, if it has to crack, rather while it is under warrantee n?

Or you end up in the RIP board n
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Slaaiblaar on April 08, 2014, 12:12:00 pm
Hijack
I just can not get comfortable with my LC on dirt, feel like the suspension is just not doing it, previous bike was 800GS with some mods on front suspension.
No problem on my LC although BMW is changing some stuff for me out of good faith.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 08, 2014, 01:39:01 pm
Hijack
I just can not get comfortable with my LC on dirt, feel like the suspension is just not doing it, previous bike was 800GS with some mods on front suspension.
No problem on my LC although BMW is changing some stuff for me out of good faith.

Which tyres, riding mode and ESA settings are you using?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Slaaiblaar on April 08, 2014, 02:35:33 pm
Hijack
I just can not get comfortable with my LC on dirt, feel like the suspension is just not doing it, previous bike was 800GS with some mods on front suspension.
No problem on my LC although BMW is changing some stuff for me out of good faith.

Which tyres, riding mode and ESA settings are you using?
Anakee 3, single rider, Enduro, soft./normal
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on April 08, 2014, 02:49:34 pm
Exactly, and that is why I am very interested to see this thing. To be totally honest, I've emailed Touratech and searched the web ... Seems like it is a real issue.

That is why I am riding the crap out of the bike, if it has to crack, rather while it is under warrantee n?

Or you end up in the RIP board n

He he he. Some okes can't read properly. Read the whole thread and look at my history on this forum. I'm open minded. I read the reports. I make sure I know what are real issues and what not. I'm open to saying when a bike is crap, even if I own it and don't want it to be true. But, I do monitor the bike carefully exactly because of threads like these, I know where to look for possible issues.

If everyone had to stop riding their bikes because some random dude on the interwebs managed to crack his frame, not a lot of us would be riding

Go troll somewhere else.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 08, 2014, 02:52:41 pm
Hijack
I just can not get comfortable with my LC on dirt, feel like the suspension is just not doing it, previous bike was 800GS with some mods on front suspension.
No problem on my LC although BMW is changing some stuff for me out of good faith.

Which tyres, riding mode and ESA settings are you using?
Anakee 3, single rider, Enduro, soft./normal

I rode with the exact settings and tyres once and actually stopped thinking something's wrong. The bike feels very loose, at least it did for me. It got better when I dropped the pressure to below 2 bar. I also find that Enduro interferes too much and Enduro Pro feels more planted but on Anakee III's this may be challenge, just keep TC on.

In short, the Anakee III is not a great dirt tyre it has no lateral grip. Rated as 90/10 one should probably not expect anything else.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on April 08, 2014, 03:19:58 pm
How about rain mode for gravel and suspension on soft?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 08, 2014, 04:03:02 pm
How about rain mode for gravel and suspension on soft?

That actually works well for slow technical riding and the softer dampening improves traction.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Inverted on April 10, 2014, 06:36:11 pm
My pa het altyd gese: "Met geweld kan jy jou vinniger in jou poepol afbreek"
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on April 10, 2014, 07:31:47 pm
My pa het altyd gese: "Met geweld kan jy jou vinniger in jou poepol afbreek"

En as jy jou VINGER gebruik dan gaan dit VINNIGER ! 😄
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 26, 2014, 09:16:06 pm
Was at the dealer today and snapped some pics of the steering tube of their new '14 GS LC...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/fudgypup/20140426_093719_zpsdwg3cllu.jpg)

Then a '13 GS LC demo:
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/fudgypup/20140426_094028_zpstviwxuzr.jpg)

Doesn't seem that much different.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: lecap on April 28, 2014, 08:41:31 am
If you look at het pic of the broken frame you will see  that the part welded into the steering head broke, not the weld.
If the modification is to the part (like thicker, which would make sense to reinforce it against the breakage shown in the picture) you won't see it from the outside.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on April 30, 2014, 10:48:09 pm
If you look at het pic of the broken frame you will see  that the part welded into the steering head broke, not the weld.
If the modification is to the part (like thicker, which would make sense to reinforce it against the breakage shown in the picture) you won't see it from the outside.

You're right, it's not the weld but the part itself.  I'm still hunting for any kind of verification that BMW addressed this.  Haven't found anything yet.
Title: Re:
Post by: fudgypup on May 06, 2014, 05:43:55 am
Got confirmation yesterday that the new 14 GS LC frame is indeed reinforced st the steering tube.  Instead of the old 3/16" flat steel cap it's now got a metal wedge up there.  If you ever took your bicycle's goose neck out and seen that wedge piece, its kind of like that.

Also, turns out BMW bought that bike back after all so Jason is whole.  Happy ending

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on May 06, 2014, 06:11:18 am
Got confirmation yesterday that the new 14 GS LC frame is indeed reinforced st the steering tube.  Instead of the old 3/16" flat steel cap it's now got a metal wedge up there.  If you ever took your bicycle's goose neck out and seen that wedge piece, its kind of like that.

Also, turns out BMW bought that bike back after all so Jason is whole.  Happy ending

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk

Great news, glad he's sorted :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2014, 12:51:33 pm
Delete stupid post.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2014, 12:53:48 pm
Hijack
I just can not get comfortable with my LC on dirt, feel like the suspension is just not doing it, previous bike was 800GS with some mods on front suspension.
No problem on my LC although BMW is changing some stuff for me out of good faith.

Which tyres, riding mode and ESA settings are you using?
Anakee 3, single rider, Enduro, soft./normal

I rode with the exact settings and tyres once and actually stopped thinking something's wrong. The bike feels very loose, at least it did for me. It got better when I dropped the pressure to below 2 bar. I also find that Enduro interferes too much and Enduro Pro feels more planted but on Anakee III's this may be challenge, just keep TC on.

In short, the Anakee III is not a great dirt tyre it has no lateral grip. Rated as 90/10 one should probably not expect anything else.

Endiro Pro mode sets the bike up for knobblies.  It may well feel real terrible on Anakees.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on May 08, 2014, 01:13:59 pm
Endiro Pro mode sets the bike up for knobblies.  It may well feel real terrible on Anakees.

I use this mode a lot, and Hildr is on Anakee III. It would be better with knobblies yes, but it's definitely not "terrible". It's orders of magnitude better than my old '05GS with Anakee II and ZERO riding aids.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on May 28, 2014, 10:13:42 pm
Eric Massiet du Biest's '13 GS LC
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/fudgypup/10173730_10152114309788372_5087083120264498738_n_zps37beded7.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on May 29, 2014, 10:25:24 am
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: nielvn on May 29, 2014, 07:13:47 pm
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.

Ouch hope the batches we received here are different to ones recieved in us ............ :ricky:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on May 30, 2014, 04:43:03 am
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.

This guy is from France
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on May 30, 2014, 04:44:21 am
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.

Ouch hope the batches we received here are different to ones recieved in us ............ :ricky:

wishful thinking :)  I think all the '13's and a few of the '14's up to November but BMW knows about the issue now and will work with whomever has a frame problem.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: DirtCopper on May 30, 2014, 09:19:24 am
KTM's breek ook :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 10:39:42 am
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.

Ouch hope the batches we received here are different to ones recieved in us ............ :ricky:

wishful thinking :)  I think all the '13's and a few of the '14's up to November but BMW knows about the issue now and will work with whomever has a frame problem.

Now you see, thats my worry,,

If I had a 1200 LC I would be to scared to go on a dirt road with it,,, there isnt a warning light on the dash that will tell you "hey,, STOP, the neck is bussy to seperate from the frame",

What wil be the outcome if something like this happens to you on a long distance trip in a remoute area,,,
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on May 30, 2014, 12:24:01 pm
Ouch, is this an American thing? I have not seen/heard about this one locally.

Ouch hope the batches we received here are different to ones recieved in us ............ :ricky:

wishful thinking :)  I think all the '13's and a few of the '14's up to November but BMW knows about the issue now and will work with whomever has a frame problem.

Now you see, thats my worry,,

If I had a 1200 LC I would be to scared to go on a dirt road with it,,, there isnt a warning light on the dash that will tell you "hey,, STOP, the neck is bussy to seperate from the frame",

What wil be the outcome if something like this happens to you on a long distance trip in a remoute area,,,

I did 10k on my 2013 and am now on 6k on the 2014. Since hearing about this I just periodically check for any signs of fatigue but it doesnt slow me down at all :deal:

Maybe I'm too stupid to see the danger :joker:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 12:45:49 pm

Yip, and that is the main thing I like about a forum, if something like this pop up there is no exuse of you didnt know about it and if you already have the product you know what to do,

But maybe its only me, but if I know there is a problem, I stay away, I dont want to wonder in the back of my head if its gonna happen to me, specialy if I do a loaded trip, two up throw Mozambiek or any other neighbor country,,,
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on May 30, 2014, 01:41:58 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 03:08:17 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Snafu on May 30, 2014, 03:16:31 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on May 30, 2014, 03:18:30 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?

Don't be silly. Yammie riders don't need to stand.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 03:21:31 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?

Nee oom Snuifie,, ek trust nie die alminium pegs nie en het after market pegs op, so ja nou kan ek op hulle staan sonder om te worry dat hulle gaan breek,,,,,amper iets soos risk management,,,,,,  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Snafu on May 30, 2014, 03:22:44 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?

Nee oom Snuifie,, ek trust nie die alminium pegs nie en het after market pegs op, so ja nou kan ek op hulle staan sonder om te worry dat hulle gaan breek,,,,,amper iets soos risk management,,,,,,  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Weise besluit :P
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 03:25:09 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?

Don't be silly. Yammie riders don't need to stand.  :biggrin:

Hey hey ,,,,,,, Sometimes I also need to post when I enter a town ,,,,,,, :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on May 30, 2014, 03:28:20 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Do you stand on your footpegs?

Nee oom Snuifie,, ek trust nie die alminium pegs nie en het after market pegs op, so ja nou kan ek op hulle staan sonder om te worry dat hulle gaan breek,,,,,amper iets soos risk management,,,,,,  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Weise besluit :P

Watse kroeg sit oom Snuifie nou weer in ,,,,, dit is wyse en nie die duitse weise nie    :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Snafu on May 30, 2014, 08:58:31 pm
Jis woolly :P

Duitse engineering shop, besig om bmw te herontwerp :P
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2014, 05:37:29 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 01, 2014, 05:43:26 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?

I am more interested in how and why. Both pieces of information are glaringly absent creating the impression that the bikes broke for no reason.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Jakkals on June 01, 2014, 06:45:03 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?

Correction,,,,, shouldnt there be a "s" at the end of dude (dude's),,

Well the pic's was here on the forum, broken frame, broken gearbox ext,,,,,,

I dont do brand bashing, and I realy like the looks of the LC, but , soos hulle in afrikaans s, "waar daar 'n rokie is, is daar 'n vuurtjie" en ongelukig is dit geen geheim dat die Bmer glang lief is om foutjies weg te steek en nie daaroor wil praat nie,
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 01, 2014, 08:07:20 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?

Correction,,,,, shouldnt there be a "s" at the end of dude (dude's),,

Well the pic's was here on the forum, broken frame, broken gearbox ext,,,,,,

I dont do brand bashing, and I realy like the looks of the LC, but , soos hulle in afrikaans s, "waar daar 'n rokie is, is daar 'n vuurtjie" en ongelukig is dit geen geheim dat die Bmer glang lief is om foutjies weg te steek en nie daaroor wil praat nie,

I actually find the BMW riders extremely vocal about issues and very interested to understand how and why things go wrong.

It is however difficult when all that is posted is second hand reports with very little supporting information. For all I know, the frame cracked during an accident.

Not that I particularly care.

And by the way, there was never any more info about that gearbox...not that I believed that particular story to start with.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: badseed on June 01, 2014, 08:47:40 pm
In my experience with the Beemer scooter they denied the faults I had were a common problem or that they had any knowledge of a bike with similar problems. Even though their demo bike was standing with the same problems as well as both my mates that bought the scooters. Only when I brought them websites dedicated to the problems in Europe with the scooters did they agree to a trade/ buy back . They also stopped importing the model , but they continue to sell their existing stock ( lots I'm told by a little bird).

How can they continue selling a product they know is faulty? It's criminal . Devious.

So ask yourself then, if they know the 1200LC has a problem / problems they know about will they stop selling them. Not fucking likely.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 01, 2014, 08:59:14 pm
In my experience with the Beemer scooter they denied the faults I had were a common problem or that they had any knowledge of a bike with similar problems. Even though their demo bike was standing with the same problems as well as both my mates that bought the scooters. Only when I brought them websites dedicated to the problems in Europe with the scooters did they agree to a trade/ buy back . They also stopped importing the model , but they continue to sell their existing stock ( lots I'm told by a little bird).

How can they continue selling a product they know is faulty? It's criminal . Devious.

So ask yourself then, if they know the 1200LC has a problem / problems they know about will they stop selling them. Not fucking likely.

I am referring to BMW riders not the company.

Corporates are in it to make money, don't expect any more or less from them.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Draadwerk on June 01, 2014, 08:59:37 pm
I think it is mainly some dealers that will give you problems, and others not. Our dealership is mostly useless. The guy that works on the bikes is excellent, but he does not make the decisions on what can be replaced and what not. That is where the problem lies.

I think there is not enough reliance on the expert mechanic's opinion, and the dealerships are intent on not losing money by honouring their best service at all times agreements...
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: fudgypup on June 09, 2014, 07:10:35 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?

I am more interested in how and why. Both pieces of information are glaringly absent creating the impression that the bikes broke for no reason.

I do not know the exact circumstance that caused each bike's frame to crack.  If Jason's was the only one whose frame broke, then it would be easy to point to his riding style and pictures he's posted of himself airborne on it.  However, the three other GS/A's he's owned prior to the '13 model were also "jumped" occasionally and never broke.  I do not know Mick and Chris to be guys who jump their bikes (like Jason) or ride them recklessly or any more severe than the bikes are marketed.  I know these guys well and have ridden with them quite a few times.  Mick is actually quite a tame rider; something we kid him for mercilessly.  I don't jump my GSA either.  About the only air it gets is jumping water bars and in that case the rear wheel may only get a few inches of air.

I think it's obvious this new '13 LC frame style has a weak point and we also know it's something BMW has chosen to address part way into the '14 production line.  If I owned one of these bikes, I'd just keep an eye on that area for metal fatigue and avoid jumping it.  I still think they're fine bikes.  Every bike out there has an issue or two.
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 09, 2014, 08:19:44 pm
No it's not just you Jakkels.

But what if I put it to you that your front tire could burst at any time? No matter what bike you ride. And you could die because of that.

Now I put it to you to stop riding.

What if I put it to you a car could take you out? Now stop riding.

We have a risky means of getting around. We manage the risks. I also check my bike and trust the statistics. Statistically, more LC's are taken out by accidents than by failure of the front fork. According to the reports we could gather.

It does not mean I'm not checking mine...

True, the risk is always there but that is live,,

But will you step on a ladder if you know the ladder is cracked, or will you rather use the ladder without any cracks and the biggest risk is for the ladder to slip ,,,,  both have their risk, the one is just a more common risk ,,,,,,

Will you refuse to use your ladder because you have seen on the internet, that some dude who you don't know had a ladder broken?

I am more interested in how and why. Both pieces of information are glaringly absent creating the impression that the bikes broke for no reason.

I do not know the exact circumstance that caused each bike's frame to crack.  If Jason's was the only one whose frame broke, then it would be easy to point to his riding style and pictures he's posted of himself airborne on it.  However, the three other GS/A's he's owned prior to the '13 model were also "jumped" occasionally and never broke.  I do not know Mick and Chris to be guys who jump their bikes (like Jason) or ride them recklessly or any more severe than the bikes are marketed.  I know these guys well and have ridden with them quite a few times.  Mick is actually quite a tame rider; something we kid him for mercilessly.  I don't jump my GSA either.  About the only air it gets is jumping water bars and in that case the rear wheel may only get a few inches of air.

I think it's obvious this new '13 LC frame style has a weak point and we also know it's something BMW has chosen to address part way into the '14 production line.  If I owned one of these bikes, I'd just keep an eye on that area for metal fatigue and avoid jumping it.  I still think they're fine bikes.  Every bike out there has an issue or two.

:thumleft:
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: BikerJan on June 10, 2014, 09:03:30 am
Hi guys, do not know whether this is an issue, but here goes. I ride a Jan 2014 model, when I lift the front wheel to go over a pothole or rut, not a wheely, just lifting the wheel slightly to go over the obstacle, I hear (feel) a distinctive "clack" sound. Should I be worried, anybody else experienced this?
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: AntVan on June 10, 2014, 10:21:22 am
Hi guys, do not know whether this is an issue, but here goes. I ride a Jan 2014 model, when I lift the front wheel to go over a pothole or rut, not a wheely, just lifting the wheel slightly to go over the obstacle, I hear (feel) a distinctive "clack" sound. Should I be worried, anybody else experienced this?

No, I've not experienced it. When you say "feel" you mean through the handlebars?

It could be many things, but I would have the dealer check it out. Just make sure you go to a dealer that has muffins  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 1200 GS LC: Broken Frame
Post by: BikerJan on June 10, 2014, 02:21:57 pm
Yip, through the handlebars.

Will check the muffins before going to BM :laughing4: