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Title: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 02:12:58 pm
or rather 'eating plan'. I have been on for 3 month and lost 6kg.... And the food tastes much better. Also have lots of energy and after some excercise I am not hangry at all... On carbs I used to be starving afterwards
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Draadwerk on April 20, 2014, 02:23:48 pm
Post the plan for us if you don't mind?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 02:35:21 pm
Post the plan for us if you don't mind?

Here you go:

Cut out: potatoes, bread, pasta, flour.

Eat: eggs, fat and protein, vegetables that grow above ground and cut out fruit as much as possible.

We on the same diet but not Noakes's. My dad was following his book and went from 135kg to 98kg. He said he has cut back on some of the fat since the Noakes plan uses a lot of cream and butter etc and it made things to rich for him.

We have been on a low carb diet for 4 weeks. I have lost 4kgs and the wife 6 (...but she was pregnant so had more to "lose").

I love it. I don't ever feel hungry and feel like I have more energy. Weight loss has been slowish but I drop about a kilo a week, I just dipped under 90kgs. Want to lose at least 5 more.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 20, 2014, 02:41:40 pm
Post the plan for us if you don't mind?

Here you go:

Cut out: potatoes, bread, pasta, flour.

Eat: eggs, fat and protein, vegetables that grow above ground and cut out fruit as much as possible.

We on the same diet but not Noakes's. My dad was following his book and went from 135kg to 98kg. He said he has cut back on some of the fat since the Noakes plan uses a lot of cream and butter etc and it made things to rich for him.

We have been on a low carb diet for 4 weeks. I have lost 4kgs and the wife 6 (...but she was pregnant so had more to "lose").

I love it. I don't ever feel hungry and feel like I have more energy. Weight loss has been slowish but I drop about a kilo a week, I just dipped under 90kgs. Want to lose at least 5 more.


Same here.
4 weeks, 4kgs.
Goin' down an' feelin' groovy!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 03:04:41 pm
Post the plan for us if you don't mind?

Here you go:

Cut out: potatoes, bread, pasta, flour.

Eat: eggs, fat and protein, vegetables that grow above ground and cut out fruit as much as possible.

We on the same diet but not Noakes's. My dad was following his book and went from 135kg to 98kg. He said he has cut back on some of the fat since the Noakes plan uses a lot of cream and butter etc and it made things to rich for him.

We have been on a low carb diet for 4 weeks. I have lost 4kgs and the wife 6 (...but she was pregnant so had more to "lose").

I love it. I don't ever feel hungry and feel like I have more energy. Weight loss has been slowish but I drop about a kilo a week, I just dipped under 90kgs. Want to lose at least 5 more.

And cut out beer, and ideally alcohol.  I really miss the beer.  but have one once in a while...

We actually use a lot of bacon now as it is good for flavour  as well as high fat.
What I also find is that once I have done a little excercise,  the fat loss actually accellerates. Not so much the weight but I can feel my midriff fat disappearing. Lot of my clothes now fall off....

Have a look at the CNA etc, there is a new mag out from TN where he has recipes and articles. [quote author=Draadwerk

Instead of butter for frying also use coconut oil. It comes in a little tub and works very well. not as rich as butter

link=topic=149423.msg2845468#msg2845468 date=1397996628]
Post the plan for us if you don't mind?
[/quote]

He has a cook book that he did with a chef. the recipes are really awesome and tasty.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 03:19:37 pm
We also use Coconut oil instead of vegetable oil.

The booze..... ja look. If I cut that out I would have lost even more weight. Beer isn't as bad.... I only drink beer on Friday afternoons, never at home but I can't cut out wine. But I am trying to drink less.

The only thing that my wife has given up on is baking. She has tried a few low carb baking ideas but none of them really works.

The one thing on this diet is when we go out or to friends and eat carbs we just carry on the next day. Eating a potato won't kill you so we eat it when we have to but cut it out the next day.

By the way, watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/v/evcNPfZlrZs?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"

I happened to stumble onto it before we even considered going low carb but it is a interesting look on why we were told low fat was the way to go.

Here is how he explains why you get fat:

http://www.youtube.com/v/mNYlIcXynwE?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0"



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 20, 2014, 03:30:10 pm
Use Xilitol instead of suger as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol)

"Possessing approximately 33% fewer calories, xylitol is a lower-calorie alternative to table sugar. Absorbed more slowly than sugar, it does not contribute to high blood sugar levels or the resulting hyperglycemia caused by insufficient insulin response. This characteristic has also proven beneficial for people suffering from metabolic syndrome, a common disorder that includes insulin resistance, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, and an increased risk for blood clots.[30] Xylitol is used as a sweetener in medicines, chewing gum and pastilles."
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 03:33:25 pm
Use Xilitol instead of suger as well.


Yip.

But I have started almost cutting out even that. The only thing I need a bit of xilitol in is instant coffee.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 03:37:50 pm
Use Xilitol instead of suger as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol)

"Possessing approximately 33% fewer calories, xylitol is a lower-calorie alternative to table sugar. Absorbed more slowly than sugar, it does not contribute to high blood sugar levels or the resulting hyperglycemia caused by insufficient insulin response. This characteristic has also proven beneficial for people suffering from metabolic syndrome, a common disorder that includes insulin resistance, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, and an increased risk for blood clots.[30] Xylitol is used as a sweetener in medicines, chewing gum and pastilles."

yep we use that for the rare occasion we do baking, but i take everything without sugar. also dont eat premade meals at all. those are loaded with sugar. we make all our meal from scratch.

search on YouTube. 'the men who made us fat'

The only thing that my wife has given up on is baking. She has tried a few low carb baking ideas but none of them really works.
Yes my wifr tried pumpkin fritters last night and it was a total fcukup. so in the end she was pissed with me.. WTF

The one thing on this diet is when we go out or to friends and eat carbs we just carry on the next day. Eating a potato won't kill you so we eat it when we have to but cut it out the next day.
Yes I used to be VERY disciplined, but then realised that now and then wont hurt, so now I dont make a fuss if I 'have to'  have a social beer or wine.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 03:55:58 pm
...search on YouTube. 'the men who made us fat'...

No need, Uncle Grrrr did it for you...

http://www.youtube.com/v/E6nGlLUBkOQ?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"

http://www.youtube.com/v/owekbSp7wU0?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0"

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZlQHXkOUjeI?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on April 20, 2014, 05:29:51 pm
swambo's been on this for 3 months; lost 11kg so far. I'm at my ideal weight, albeit more flab than muscle, but I haven't put on any weight since switching to this diet with swambo, and the food is awesome.

We almost exclusively cook with butter rather than any kind of oil. Everything tastes better when cooked with butter. Everything.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2014, 05:52:34 pm
I have never been fond of pasta, bread,etc. , and I could feel that it was not good for me. Always ate fat, dairy, and I am slow in picking up weight, considering that I eat a lot of sugar.

Listen to your body.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Cracker on April 20, 2014, 05:53:38 pm
Do you really have more energy eating this way?

I'm already thin and eat WTF I want but when I'm not out doing adrenalin/physical related exersize or work, I'm dog- tired and lethargic.

How does beer or other alcohol affect you, seeing as it's virtually all liquid?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 20, 2014, 06:08:05 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 06:08:29 pm

How does beer or other alcohol affect you, seeing as it's virtually all liquid?

Still has calories, empty ones....

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 20, 2014, 06:12:13 pm


Started this a few weeks back, dropped between 6kg and 8kg quite quickly then stabilized but that will happen.

Never liked bread, potatoes and crap but you can catch me in a trap with a nice crispy piece of fat on a chop.
I do have a sweet tooth but once you are used to cutting out sugar (takes a few weeks) it is no longer an issue.
Love cheese, butter and so on, so this way of eating is perfect for me.

Struggle with letting go of beer, have cut down a lot keep it for weekends now.

Edit: Have made a few of the recipes in the book, great food.  Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 06:20:59 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 20, 2014, 06:23:20 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........

Ek PM vir jou die dropbox link  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: OMO on April 20, 2014, 06:48:56 pm
Het self so paar ekstra onsies opgetel die afgelope jaar of wat, sal moet plan maak...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on April 20, 2014, 06:49:30 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........

Ek PM vir jou die dropbox link  :thumleft:

Stuur vir my ook assemblief!!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eish on April 20, 2014, 07:03:33 pm
Lost 7 kgs in three months...cheat one or 2 meals a week. No beer ... Whiskey, water or wine.

Bought the book - seemed like the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 08:10:50 pm
Lost 7 kgs in three months...cheat one or 2 meals a week. No beer ... Whiskey, water or wine.

Bought the book - seemed like the right thing to do.



Yes also boughht. I have a signed copy...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 08:12:41 pm
Do you really have more energy eating this way?

I'm already thin and eat WTF I want but when I'm not out doing adrenalin/physical related exersize or work, I'm dog- tired and lethargic.

How does beer or other alcohol affect you, seeing as it's virtually all liquid?
Yep i feel great... I used to be ravenous after a hard cycle. But now not really. I could do a ride in the morning and then only do lunch at 3pm

Beer is pure carbs. Not legal in this diet
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 20, 2014, 08:13:57 pm
The one thing I have had my fill of is tuna salad....

I never had a issue eating a tuna salad and it fits well into this diet and is quick and easy to make. But jeez..... you get to a point where enough is enough.

I think I have had my last tuna salad for a while today.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on April 20, 2014, 08:40:57 pm
Beer is pure carbs. Not legal in this diet

That's my one MAJOR issue with this diet. It sounds weak-willed but I would really struggle to give up beer altogether.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 20, 2014, 10:00:56 pm
Beer is pure carbs. Not legal in this diet

That's my one MAJOR issue with this diet. It sounds weak-willed but I would really struggle to give up beer altogether.

I thought I did too, but its not so bad. Even cut down drastically on wine. My problem was sitting by the PC at night 2am I would drink a few beers... not good. now I have one beer maybe every 2 weeks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: capetownvara on April 21, 2014, 05:01:50 am
Guys , some advice please . I weigh 71 kg , run regularly , marathons etc . Do not need to- cannot really afford to- lose weight . Love carbs , bread , potatoes etc , not so much beer , wine yes !

Will this eating plan benefit me ? Improve energy levels ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 21, 2014, 05:53:50 am
I've lost about 7kgs so far but I am not too strict on myself. We have one cheat day on weekends and I'll have a beer or six twice a month. Still drink plenty of wine though. There are a lot of easy quick recipies that are super tasty. Latest favourite is Jamie Oliver's creamy mustard chicken. Takes about 15-20 minutes and it's super yummy
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: capetownvara on April 21, 2014, 06:59:43 am
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

Hi Veldtie , could you send to me please , quite keen to have a look .....but I do not need to lose weight , more interested in the energy gains .
Cheers
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on April 21, 2014, 07:05:25 am
Guys , some advice please . I weigh 71 kg , run regularly , marathons etc . Do not need to- cannot really afford to- lose weight . Love carbs , bread , potatoes etc , not so much beer , wine yes !

Will this eating plan benefit me ? Improve energy levels ?

I also follow this diet  combined with crossfit.

I have actually picked up weight, but that was my goal.

I think you reach a point and then level out. I don't think this diet will take you from 71kg to 60kg
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Casting from Turd on April 21, 2014, 07:40:38 am
Works like a charm.
Lost 6kgs so far but not too stricked though.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on April 21, 2014, 08:36:37 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rocky58 on April 21, 2014, 09:17:45 am
Great eating plan , I have been more or less on it for a year , lost 18 kg cut out bread pasta chips sweets etc , still drink beer ...lots of it , but castle light only problem it is similar to fishing , both are close to water . Eat as much fat as I want , am a bit nervous to have my colestrol tested . but it does work and you do feel better don't fart and burp all day like I used to . :laughing4:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: OMO on April 21, 2014, 09:24:47 am
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

Sal jy vir my ook stuur asb?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fudge on April 21, 2014, 10:54:21 am
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

I am interested in a copy please, I can do with losing a bit of blubber.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 21, 2014, 01:05:25 pm
Great eating plan , I have been more or less on it for a year , lost 18 kg cut out bread pasta chips sweets etc , still drink beer ...lots of it , but castle light only problem it is similar to fishing , both are close to water . Eat as much fat as I want , am a bit nervous to have my colestrol tested . but it does work and you do feel better don't fart and burp all day like I used to . :laughing4:

The cholesterol test and medication is also one big scam. Your body needs cholesterol. There is also no such thing as good or bad cholesterol. There are 2 cholesterol carriers LDL and HDL. (High/Low Density Lipo-Protein). The LBL comes in 2 forms: larger and small. The small one (type B) is the bad lipo protein that can, when oxidised, cause artery inflammation. That is what then becomes a heart attack. The small LDL Type B results from eating carbs. That is why, regardless of whether you need to lose weight or not, dont eat carbs.  So you actually want to test for LDL/HDL ratio and LDL-B count.
But watch the videos.... it's all in there
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 21, 2014, 01:10:17 pm
Guys , some advice please . I weigh 71 kg , run regularly , marathons etc . Do not need to- cannot really afford to- lose weight . Love carbs , bread , potatoes etc , not so much beer , wine yes !

Will this eating plan benefit me ? Improve energy levels ?

Well Tim did say that you must tear out his whole chapter on carbo loading. I believe that you will benefit yes. Once you make the switch, there is a period that you feel tired. But as soon as your body starts to metabolise fat, your energy levels will improve. I find that after excercise I am not hungry anymore. Check the videos especially the 2nd one that Grr posted on how you get fat. That will tell you how it works
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eish on April 21, 2014, 04:03:13 pm
Great eating plan , I have been more or less on it for a year , lost 18 kg cut out bread pasta chips sweets etc , still drink beer ...lots of it , but castle light only problem it is similar to fishing , both are close to water . Eat as much fat as I want , am a bit nervous to have my colestrol tested . but it does work and you do feel better don't fart and burp all day like I used to . :laughing4:

The cholesterol test and medication is also one big scam. Your body needs cholesterol. There is also no such thing as good or bad cholesterol. There are 2 cholesterol carriers LDL and HDL. (High/Low Density Lipo-Protein). The LBL comes in 2 forms: larger and small. The small one (type B) is the bad lipo protein that can, when oxidised, cause artery inflammation. That is what then becomes a heart attack. The small LDL Type B results from eating carbs. That is why, regardless of whether you need to lose weight or not, dont eat carbs.  So you actually want to test for LDL/HDL ratio and LDL-B count.
But watch the videos.... it's all in there

Quite correct, Tim does say that ideally one would need to measure the LDL Particle size but unfortunately we do not have the equipment to do it in SA.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: meteldog on April 21, 2014, 04:43:52 pm
I've lost 8 kilos in the last 4 months by also just cooling it on carbs, but have not cut them out completely. Can't have a good curry without rice every now and then, maybe with a bit more curry and a little less rice now. Live on biltong and apples at work during the day and never really feel hungry.

I binned the Statins my cardiologist put me on a month ago, they seriously cause severe memory loss and with an LDL level at 3.2 I can't see any reason why I needed them in the first place anyway. Will be interesting to see what my LDL levels are in 3 months time after cooling it on the carbs.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on April 21, 2014, 05:07:15 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

I would really appreciate a copy please. stanschroeder at lantic dot net

many thanks.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on April 21, 2014, 05:09:16 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........

Ek PM vir jou die dropbox link  :thumleft:

Could you please send me the link as well, it would be much appreciated.
many thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 21, 2014, 05:11:31 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........

Ek PM vir jou die dropbox link  :thumleft:

Could you please send me the link as well, it would be much appreciated.
many thanks


What link?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on April 21, 2014, 05:31:58 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

I would really appreciate a copy please. stanschroeder at lantic dot net

many thanks.

+1

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Thunderlinde on April 21, 2014, 05:34:26 pm
Het nou n befokte bees potjie met groente en rys gemaak. Drink ook my hoeveelste bier vir die middag. Wonder of ek nou moet skuldig voel...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 21, 2014, 05:34:59 pm
Also made the carb free bread and it works well and I like the taste (with real butter of course).

I would be really interested in this!

Me, I LOOOOOOOOVE bread.........

Ek PM vir jou die dropbox link  :thumleft:

Could you please send me the link as well, it would be much appreciated.
many thanks


What link?

Post the recipe for the carb free bread please (if such a thing exists :-)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 21, 2014, 05:35:57 pm
Het nou n befokte bees potjie met groente en rys gemaak. Drink ook my hoeveelste bier vir die middag. Wonder of ek nou moet skuldig voel...

Maar is jy vet......  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 21, 2014, 05:37:56 pm
Het nou n befokte bees potjie met groente en rys gemaak. Drink ook my hoeveelste bier vir die middag. Wonder of ek nou moet skuldig voel...

Net as jy regtig wil  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Thunderlinde on April 21, 2014, 05:38:45 pm
Het nou n befokte bees potjie met groente en rys gemaak. Drink ook my hoeveelste bier vir die middag. Wonder of ek nou moet skuldig voel...

Maar is jy vet......  :spitcoffee:

Sleg versadig op die stadium.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 21, 2014, 08:53:20 pm

I binned the Statins my cardiologist put me on a month ago, they seriously cause severe memory loss and with an LDL level at 3.2 I can't see any reason why I needed them in the first place anyway. Will be interesting to see what my LDL levels are in 3 months time after cooling it on the carbs.

 Would be very interesting to seenthe results. Doc prob pissed with you
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 21, 2014, 09:00:22 pm
Tim was such a healthy guy!! when did he diet? When did he diet?

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: capetownvara on April 22, 2014, 05:00:40 am
Guys , some advice please . I weigh 71 kg , run regularly , marathons etc . Do not need to- cannot really afford to- lose weight . Love carbs , bread , potatoes etc , not so much beer , wine yes !

Will this eating plan benefit me ? Improve energy levels ?

Well Tim did say that you must tear out his whole chapter on carbo loading. I believe that you will benefit yes. Once you make the switch, there is a period that you feel tired. But as soon as your body starts to metabolise fat, your energy levels will improve. I find that after excercise I am not hungry anymore. Check the videos especially the 2nd one that Grr posted on how you get fat. That will tell you how it works
:thumleft:Thanks  Bomber
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Aicorner on April 22, 2014, 05:45:15 am
I've been on a low carb diet for 2 years, gone from 97 to 77kgs. I was very strict for about the first 6 months & lost all the weight then. The weight loss it much easier to do everything, so I exercise a lot more because its just so much more fun.

I haven't cut out carbs completely ("low carb" not no carb) and have quite a lot of wine and a bit of beer (milk stout) on the weekends, the odd slice of bread, rice with curry etc.  I found that too much meat makes it difficult to poo !

My BP and cholestrol have come down (although they were only at the high end of the range before)

Having said all that, I think there are a lot of snake oil diets/ideas out there (most of the "Paleo" ideas sound like nonsense to me).  Tim Noakes went onto the diet because he was at risk of diabetes & makes the point that it works better for some body types (apples) than others.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 22, 2014, 07:59:26 am
Hey guys glad you are losing weight , but don't follow Tim Noakes diet too rigorously, or for too long , you can get very ill.

Tim used to push carbo loading , he is now gone way over to the other side  . Many other experts caution against his theories . They think he is old and no longer relevant , not keeping up with new research .

Your body need carbohydrates . Eating no carbs can kill you, if you do it for long enough .  Sure eat more protein and good fats , and cut down carbs  , but don't cut out completely. Balance is the key.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 22, 2014, 08:47:52 am
Hey guys glad you are losing weight , but don't follow Tim Noakes diet too rigorously, or for too long , you can get very ill.

Tim used to push carbo loading , he is now gone way over to the other side  . Many other experts caution against his theories . They think he is old and no longer relevant , not keeping up with new research .

Your body need carbohydrates . Eating no carbs can kill you, if you do it for long enough .  Sure eat more protein and good fats , and cut down carbs  , but don't cut out completely. Balance is the key.

I know of a few athletes who have been in ketosis for a very long time and they are doing very well. Your body does in fact not need carbs, and can make whatever glucose it needs from protein through Gluconeogenesis. If Carbs were essential, many tribes, including the Inuit would be extinct.

Do more research.

Also remember that Paleo or Low Carb High Fat precedes Tim Noakes by a hundred Years, ie Banting's research.

There are hordes of experts whose ranks are growing daily (including some renowned Cardiologists and brain surgeons) who are throwing their weight behind this way of eating.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Lakey on April 22, 2014, 08:51:24 am
Hey guys glad you are losing weight , but don't follow Tim Noakes diet too rigorously, or for too long , you can get very ill.

Tim used to push carbo loading , he is now gone way over to the other side  . Many other experts caution against his theories . They think he is old and no longer relevant , not keeping up with new research .

Your body need carbohydrates . Eating no carbs can kill you, if you do it for long enough .  Sure eat more protein and good fats , and cut down carbs  , but don't cut out completely. Balance is the key.

I spoke to my doc a while ago about Tim Noakes theory
He agrees with it with one exception and that is the intake of animal fats
It must be limited. As far as carbs are concerned, you dont cut out carbs completely.
you must have a limited carb intake. Potatoes are out as they are pure sugar
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 22, 2014, 08:59:23 am
Hey guys glad you are losing weight , but don't follow Tim Noakes diet too rigorously, or for too long , you can get very ill.

Tim used to push carbo loading , he is now gone way over to the other side  . Many other experts caution against his theories . They think he is old and no longer relevant , not keeping up with new research .

Your body need carbohydrates . Eating no carbs can kill you, if you do it for long enough .  Sure eat more protein and good fats , and cut down carbs  , but don't cut out completely. Balance is the key.

I spoke to my doc a while ago about Tim Noakes theory
He agrees with it with one exception and that is the intake of animal fats
It must be limited. As far as carbs are concerned, you dont cut out carbs completely.
you must have a limited carb intake. Potatoes are out as they are pure sugar

Doctors are notoriously poor at nutritional advice.
Any carbs should come from fibrous vegetable sources.
Animal fats are the way to go. Stay away from man made fats such as Sunflower oil and Margarine.
Potatoes are bad, but bread and Pasta is worse.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on April 22, 2014, 09:20:33 am
The thing to do is eat the right carbs - look for low Gi and natural unprocessed or raw. Low (limited) carbs not no carbs is the way to go.

The one thing I have a bit of a problem with Noakes about is is his no legumes claim - he seems to forget that probably half the healthy world with the best longevity have legumes as a staple. What would India be like without lentil dahl and the South Americans with beans?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Magnum on April 22, 2014, 10:57:57 am
Been on for 8 weeks now with a bit of cheating here and there.
Down 6 kg but the biggest benefit was getting the blood sugar back into an acceptable range.
This has helped tremendously.
For those with diabetes and high blood pressure if one looses between 12-15% of your body mass you can reduce your medication by 50%.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: cloudgazer on April 22, 2014, 11:02:09 am
Tim Noakes diet may help you lose weight - but it cannot be healthy in the long term.

Are any of his claims peer reviewed and scientifically tested?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 22, 2014, 11:05:52 am
Tim Noakes diet may help you lose weight - but it cannot be healthy in the long term.

Are any of his claims peer reviewed and scientifically tested?


Everybody in SA calls it the Noakes diet, truth is it has been around for a long time and there are ample studies and experiments that demonstrate how effective and safe it is.

Anyhow, it is not a short term diet, but a permanent way of eating.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on April 22, 2014, 11:40:41 am
Soooo....give some tips here.

What do you guys replace the bread/flour/pototies with in a restaurant.

we just went to have breakfast, and it was a bagel (spelling?), eggs, beacon, tomotoe and wors.

Instead of the "toast" what do you guys eat?

Also, in the mornings and for lunches? What is a good replacement?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 22, 2014, 11:53:29 am
Instead of the "toast" what do you guys eat?

More bacon  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Gérrard on April 22, 2014, 12:14:49 pm
I've not been following much of this Tim Noaks diet debate, but has he applogised to us thousands of long distance athletes for all those years he did damage to our health with his carbo-loading diet.

Or do we now just sue his ass for talking crap, as in a few years time this would probably prove to be as well.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Supervan on April 22, 2014, 01:10:13 pm
I made some Indian style buttered chicken last night.  F$ck, my life is a tiny bit better after that meal.    :drif:

Then I read this fred with all you guys on the Noaks diet and thought this is relevant.  Let me just say this, you start of making your buttered chicken with about half a Nissan NP200 of butter and you end it off with as much fresh cream as your skinny little arms can carry out of Spar.

To die for!   :biggrin:

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on April 22, 2014, 01:18:07 pm
I made some Indian style buttered chicken last night.  F$ck, my life is a tiny bit better after that meal.    :drif:

Then I read this fred with all you guys on the Noaks diet and thought this is relevant.  Let me just say this, you start of making your buttered chicken with about half a Nissan NP200 of butter and you end it off with as much fresh cream as your skinny little arms can carry out of Spar.

To die for!   :biggrin:

Enjoy.

And you probably will  >:(

either from all that fat and cholesterol and other kark...

or from those of us trying to diet and being pretty aggro from the lack of sugar and bread and sweets and beer and chips and chocolate and such like lekker stuff  :drif:

I think it may be the latter...  >:D

ps. I am drooling at the thought of your chicken. fark.  :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on April 22, 2014, 01:31:51 pm
I made some Indian style buttered chicken last night.  F$ck, my life is a tiny bit better after that meal.    :drif:

Then I read this fred with all you guys on the Noaks diet and thought this is relevant.  Let me just say this, you start of making your buttered chicken with about half a Nissan NP200 of butter and you end it off with as much fresh cream as your skinny little arms can carry out of Spar.

To die for!   :biggrin:

Enjoy.

And you probably will  >:(

either from all that fat and cholesterol and other kark...

or from those of us trying to diet and being pretty aggro from the lack of sugar and bread and sweets and beer and chips and chocolate and such like lekker stuff  :drif:

I think it may be the latter...  >:D

ps. I am drooling at the thought of your chicken. fark.  :drif:

His chicken or the chicken he made  :pot:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ROOI on April 22, 2014, 02:07:02 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Me 2 pls
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 22, 2014, 02:11:02 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Me 2 pls

I am on page 40 now.  :thumleft:
More than worth a read and could be life changing for some like me.
Thank you Veldbrand.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Supervan on April 22, 2014, 02:40:32 pm
I made some Indian style buttered chicken last night.  F$ck, my life is a tiny bit better after that meal.    :drif:

Then I read this fred with all you guys on the Noaks diet and thought this is relevant.  Let me just say this, you start of making your buttered chicken with about half a Nissan NP200 of butter and you end it off with as much fresh cream as your skinny little arms can carry out of Spar.

To die for!   :biggrin:

Enjoy.

And you probably will  >:(

either from all that fat and cholesterol and other kark...

or from those of us trying to diet and being pretty aggro from the lack of sugar and bread and sweets and beer and chips and chocolate and such like lekker stuff  :drif:

I think it may be the latter...  >:D

ps. I am drooling at the thought of your chicken. fark.  :drif:

His chicken or the chicken he made  :pot:

Whatchit, my consummation loin is strictly there for the wife's pleasure.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 22, 2014, 03:20:27 pm
Instead of the "toast" what do you guys eat?

More bacon  ;D
Exactly!
Just double up on everything else especially the butter.
You don't need toast. It's processed kak with no nutritional value other than bad fat.

Mr Zog's Sex Wax and REDRIDER, just be patient. I'll send it to you but if anybody else wants it please speak up NOW so I can send a bulk mail please since I've sent about 28 gazillion mails over the last two days and I'm stuck on a HCD (High Carb Diesel) Wi Fi connection out here in the sticks and my old XT equivalent non-turbo laptop doesn't deal with this 50pp type juice either....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mikedabike on April 22, 2014, 03:41:50 pm
Veldtie please send to kruger.elize@gmail.com....muchos gracias
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on April 22, 2014, 03:49:06 pm
Tim Noakes diet may help you lose weight - but it cannot be healthy in the long term.

Are any of his claims peer reviewed and scientifically tested?


Nonsense - it is a life style eating plan not a weight loss diet.

As far as the "peer reviewed and scientifically tested" goes ... PLEASE... that most often proves faarkall (and I say this as a professor!) ... it is the very peers who jerk each other off so they retain credibility that are the problem. REMEMBER IT IS THE SCIENTISTS WHO PUT SUGAR IN YOUR TOOTHPASTE! (never mind the shyte they cook up in their labs to put in your daily meals).
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on April 22, 2014, 04:26:31 pm
I went the high protein route as well when I was desperate to loose weight for my offroad racing. Dropped from 97 -87kgs but I eventually stopped it as I wasn't feeling to great. I was fine in cutting out the processed stuff and the sweets but the lack of fruit is what got to me, especially apples & bananas  :(
But there's no denying it works, that's for sure, I just don't think it's perfect for everybody.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BikerJan on April 22, 2014, 04:29:00 pm
Instead of the "toast" what do you guys eat?

More bacon  ;D
Exactly!
Just double up on everything else especially the butter.
You don't need toast. It's processed kak with no nutritional value other than bad fat.

Mr Zog's Sex Wax and REDRIDER, just be patient. I'll send it to you but if anybody else wants it please speak up NOW so I can send a bulk mail please since I've sent about 28 gazillion mails over the last two days and I'm stuck on a HCD (High Carb Diesel) Wi Fi connection out here in the sticks and my old XT equivalent non-turbo laptop doesn't deal with this 50pp type juice either....


Hallo Veldtie, please mail it to JanV@VGI.co.za as well.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 22, 2014, 04:32:58 pm
...but the lack of fruit is what got to me, especially apples & bananas  :(

You can still eat fruit. You should just cut back on it because of the sugar.

This is for weight loss. If you are happy with your weight you can eat fruit and even carbs, but in moderation.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ButchH on April 22, 2014, 04:39:13 pm
Im using something similar  check (https://www.facebook.com/DianeKressRD?ref=profile (https://www.facebook.com/DianeKressRD?ref=profile))  The Metabolism Miracle
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 22, 2014, 05:45:04 pm
Holy cr@p......

Busy watching 'The Men who made us fat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owekbSp7wU0#aid=P-aSc0hXPUs)'. The second episode focuses on the decisions to make our portion sizes bigger and how it affected us.

They used soda as a example at McDonalds. In the 1950's you only got one adult size soda that was 7 ounces. Today the adult size holds 32 ounces.

But that is nothing, 7/11 sells a Double Gulp soda that holds 64 ounces of soda. That equates to 800 calories and about 50 teaspoon of sugar in a single helping.

Good grief....  :o
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Occy on April 22, 2014, 05:51:52 pm
Hi Veltie Please send it to me as well mmills@mweb.co.za Many thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on April 22, 2014, 05:58:32 pm
Thanks Veldtie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 22, 2014, 06:09:47 pm
Hey guys glad you are losing weight , but don't follow Tim Noakes diet too rigorously, or for too long , you can get very ill.

Tim used to push carbo loading , he is now gone way over to the other side  . Many other experts caution against his theories . They think he is old and no longer relevant , not keeping up with new research .

Your body need carbohydrates . Eating no carbs can kill you, if you do it for long enough .  Sure eat more protein and good fats , and cut down carbs  , but don't cut out completely. Balance is the key.

I know of a few athletes who have been in ketosis for a very long time and they are doing very well. Your body does in fact not need carbs, and can make whatever glucose it needs from protein through Gluconeogenesis. If Carbs were essential, many tribes, including the Inuit would be extinct.

Do more research.

Also remember that Paleo or Low Carb High Fat precedes Tim Noakes by a hundred Years, ie Banting's research.

There are hordes of experts whose ranks are growing daily (including some renowned Cardiologists and brain surgeons) who are throwing their weight behind this way of eating.

100% correct. All Noakes' critics seem to forget that he did not pioneer this diet. But he is getting lots of flak for it. He has actually made it accessible and palatable thru his book
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rover3 on April 22, 2014, 07:00:56 pm
Hi Veldtie. Stuur vir my ook aan asseblief.
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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: capetownvara on April 23, 2014, 03:56:53 am
Instead of the "toast" what do you guys eat?

More bacon  ;D
Exactly!
Just double up on everything else especially the butter.
You don't need toast. It's processed kak with no nutritional value other than bad fat.

Mr Zog's Sex Wax and REDRIDER, just be patient. I'll send it to you but if anybody else wants it please speak up NOW so I can send a bulk mail please since I've sent about 28 gazillion mails over the last two days and I'm stuck on a HCD (High Carb Diesel) Wi Fi connection out here in the sticks and my old XT equivalent non-turbo laptop doesn't deal with this 50pp type juice either....


Veldtie , please remember me    marksidd@gmail.com    Thanks man .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JWP on April 23, 2014, 06:48:07 am
Me too please.  john.peace@me.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 07:11:39 am

The thing to do is eat the right carbs - look for low Gi and natural unprocessed or raw. Low (limited) carbs not no carbs is the way to go.

The one thing I have a bit of a problem with Noakes about is is his no legumes claim - he seems to forget that probably half the healthy world with the best longevity have legumes as a staple. What would India be like without lentil dahl and the South Americans with beans?
Hitting the nail on the head there Mr Big D. :thumleft:


Tim Noakes diet may help you lose weight - but it cannot be healthy in the long term.

Are any of his claims peer reviewed and scientifically tested?


Nonsense - it is a life style eating plan not a weight loss diet.

As far as the "peer reviewed and scientifically tested" goes ... PLEASE... that most often proves faarkall (and I say this as a professor!) ... it is the very peers who jerk each other off so they retain credibility that are the problem. REMEMBER IT IS THE SCIENTISTS WHO PUT SUGAR IN YOUR TOOTHPASTE! (never mind the shyte they cook up in their labs to put in your daily meals).

Exactly   :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 07:18:43 am
Tim has been the instigator of carbo loading in the world , he was regarded as a world expert . Instead of coming and saying he was wrong , he has flipped over religiously to the extreme other side. Please believe  me guys , you will get very ill if you follow this diet.

I agree that it was good of Tim to have realised that the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates may be toxic for the body, but to take out all carbohydrates can lead to destroying your gut. You can eat more and better quality protein , and eat better and less carbs but your intestines need carbohydrates. Eat potatoes ,esp sweet potatoes , beans , lentils, brown rice ,oats , quinoa etc  , but don't cut out all carbs.

Also eating bad fats is very unhealthy , you should only consume bacon on a bike trip. It has nitrates which cause cancer esp of the gut and prostrate , and it's fat to nutrition ration is so small that it is not a good food to eat , it is junk food , which causes illnesses.

Tim's latest fad has not been researched long enough , and he is not respected for this diet in the industry , although he is respected as a person .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 07:38:48 am
Our sport science institute is regarded as one of the best in the world , its one of the few privately funded institutes in the world ( Discovery half , also Woolworths ) . We are apparently at least 5 years ahead of the UK and our lecturers go there to lecture at their universities . We are also very highly regarded in the USA although a people are cross about the swinging.

Tim was one of the founder members with Morne du Plessis and Johann Rupert

See  http://www.ssisa.com/ (http://www.ssisa.com/)

As one of the founder members and their most charismatic and well -known members , do you guys not think they would advertise/support this new diet on their website ?. Well they don't . I can't say what they really think of Tim, as I would open myself to slander and someone with a doctorate in sport science would risk losing his job , but see below what the SSISA's formal policy is as contained on their website. It is 2012 but it has not changed afaik. Sorry it is long , but it is important . ( my highlights for those with ADD  ;D ) see next post .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on April 23, 2014, 07:42:32 am
Is jy bietjie bored Rynet met die die feit dat daar niks met die Oscar trial aangaan nie?  :pot: :biggrin: :3some:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 07:43:25 am
my highlights :

http://www.ssisa.com/articles/nutrition/what-constitutes-a-healthy-diet-in-2012 (http://www.ssisa.com/articles/nutrition/what-constitutes-a-healthy-diet-in-2012)


What constitutes a ‘Healthy Diet’ in 2012?

SSISA's joint statement regarding what constitutes a "Healthy Diet" in 2012
This document has been compiled by a panel of practitioners and scientists in the field of nutrition and sports science on behalf of the Sports Science Institute of South Africa (SSISA) and the University of Cape Town/South African Medical Research Council Research Unit for Exercise Science and Sports Medicine (ESSM).

Morne du Plessis (Managing Director, SSISA)
 
Background
 
As far back as fifty years ago, nutrition scientist, Elsie Widdowson coined the phrase ‘nutritional individuality”, and highlighted the fact that energy and nutrient requirements may differ by as much as two-fold in individuals of similar ages and gender. However, in the past 10 years alone, more than 830,000 scientific publications on diet and health have been published in scholarly journals. This means that in the last decade, there has been a peer-reviewed, scientific study published approximately every 6½ minutes. 
 
To put it mildly, nutrition is a rapidly changing science, with new evidence emerging all the time. In addition, nutrition science recognises the role of genetic and epigenetic phenomena, early life events, and lifestyle choices, which act in concert to modulate the impact of the food we eat on our health status and health outcomes. Moreover, we live in a country where under-nutrition is not uncommon, and in which many South Africans continue to struggle to make ‘ends meet’. These factors will also influence dietary choices, which in turn influence health and the maintenance of a healthy body weight. As a result, making population-based nutritional recommendations for public health is particularly challenging.
 
There is always lively and robust scientific and public debate around the continually evolving field of nutrition, health and disease.  As a result, a number of scientists and practitioners from UCT and SSISA have formulated a statement regarding dietary recommendations, based on their joint interpretation of the current state of evidence (i.e. research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals) as to what constitutes a ‘healthy diet’ in 2012.
 
The complexity of dietary strategies
 
The primary aim of any dietary strategy is to provide optimal nutrition for energy, growth and health throughout the life course, while secondary aims include prevention or management of a range of chronic medical conditions, optimising sports performance or weight loss/gain. However, dietary strategies are complex for a number of reasons. There is good evidence to support the concept that individuals have their own unique “metabolic profiles”. That is, one person may ‘handle’ various nutrients, including fat, carbohydrate or protein, or respond to a specific dietary strategy differently to the next person. By ‘handling’ of nutrients, we refer specifically to the body’s use of these nutrients to meet day-to-day requirements, to aid in growth and to contribute to health and well-being.  

In addition, a dietary strategy does not act in isolation. Rather, external factors such as a person’s health/disease status, physical activity levels, diet quantity (amounts consumed) and quality (e.g. types of fat and fatty acids, protein and carbohydrate consumed, as well as alcohol intake), stress levels, attitude towards food and eating, and motivation etc. may modify the outcomes or effectiveness of any given strategy. Moreover, individuals may have short-term goals (e.g. weight loss/gain or sporting performance) and/or more long-term goals (e.g. the maintenance of a healthy weight, and reducing the risk of chronic, non-communicable diseases, such as diabetes, heart disease and cancer), which also need to be taken into account.

Furthermore, no recommendation for a healthy diet would be complete without an accompanying recommendation to accumulate at least 30 minutes of moderate-to-vigorous physical activity, on most, preferably all days of the week.
 
There are a number of international standard-setting groups, such as the American Heart Association and the Institute of Medicine, which have considered the evidence, and made recommendations as to what constitutes a ‘healthy diet’. However, the difficulty remains that these recommendations are more general, than specific, and often fail to take into consideration many of the previously mentioned factors that may influence the effectiveness of a dietary strategy. It might be simpler to first consider those dietary recommendations that are unequivocally ‘good’ or healthy for everyone, much like one can confidently say that cigarette smoking is unequivocally ‘bad’, or that regular physical activity is beneficial.
 
 
What does the evidence say?
 
For example, the evidence concerning dietary intake of vegetables and fruit, in particular, cruciferous vegetables or green, leafy vegetables, and health, is emphatically positive. Therefore, the recommendation by the American Heart Association to eat a diet rich in vegetables and fruit, as part of a healthy diet in 2012, is strongly supported. However, while fruit in the diet has generally been shown to be favourably associated with overall lower risk of chronic diseases, the effects, when demonstrated, are much more modest than those for vegetables. Moreover, fruit intake is often combined with vegetable intake in long-term observational studies, making it more difficult to evaluate the stand-alone benefits.
 
Further, with respect to carbohydrate in the diet, whole grain sources of carbohydrate, and a diet rich in fibre (legumes, vegetables and fruit), are unequivocally healthy. In contrast, the intake of sugar-sweetened beverages and foods with added (indeed often “hidden”) sugars should be discouraged, and have been shown to unequivocally ‘unhealthy’. There is strong evidence that the higher the ‘glycaemic load’ of the diet, or the extent to which the carbohydrate in the foods eaten raises blood sugar and insulin, the greater the association with cardio-metabolic diseases. 
 
The intake of ‘trans fats’ (partially hydrogenated oils which are solid at room temperature) – specifically those in processed foods – has been emphatically associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease. The evidence concerning saturated fats is not quite as straightforward, with different reviews and meta-analyses coming to differing conclusions. On balance, while not ‘unequivocally bad’, much of the evidence suggests that replacing saturated dietary fats with mono-unsaturated fatty acids, or omega-3 fatty acids, is associated with a lower risk for cardiovascular events.
 
Diets high in salt have also been linked, in particular, to hypertension, some cardiovascular disease outcomes and certain cancers. Finally, it has been well established that some foods contain allergens to which certain individuals are highly sensitive and for obvious reasons must be avoided. Current evidence suggests that this list includes wheat, nuts, eggs, dairy, soy and fish-containing foods.
 
Macronutrient proportions
 
Perhaps the most controversial part of the public debate, and where the largest differences of opinion rest, is with respect to the proportion of the diet that should be comprised of carbohydrates and fats. In the past, fats have been ‘demonised’ in much of the ‘layman’s’ interpretation of the scientific evidence, and carbohydrates have been raised up as being unequivocally healthy.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, and depends in large measure on the types of carbohydrates and fats that comprise the diet.

Either way, it is likely that a more balanced diet, which neither favours fat or carbohydrate, but rather focuses on whole grain and high-fibre sources of carbohydrate and dietary fats that are rich in omega-3 and mono-unsaturated fatty acids, is preferred. While the evidence concerning saturated fats is still open to interpretation, it is likely that relatively low-fat protein sources will prove to be the most beneficial for health in the long-term. This type of diet is also more sustainable, more affordable, and probably has a lower impact on the environment.
Obesity, insulin resistance and weight loss
 
Factored into this dialogue, is the issue concerning dietary recommendations for obesity, insulin resistance and weight loss. While it has been shown that it is possible for normal-weight, non-obese persons to be insulin resistant or pre-diabetic, it is at least 10-fold more likely if they are carrying those extra kilograms. Therefore, weight loss alone will improve cardio-metabolic risk or decrease the likelihood of cardiovascular disease.  To lose weight, energy expenditure, through physical activity and activities of daily living, must exceed energy intake. From a dietary perspective, this can be achieved by an overall reduction in food intake, and/or by manipulating the nutrient content of the diet. There is evidence that certain dietary strategies, including a higher-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, may be associated with greater weight losses, by reducing hunger and also the glycaemic load of the diet.  However, there are studies that also show that a low-fat, kilojoule-restricted diet is as effective as the higher-protein, low-carbohydrate intake.
 
Once weight is lost, the critical issue is the maintenance of a healthy weight. The balance of nutrients that contribute to the overall diet, in terms of carbohydrate, fats and proteins, may differ according to individuals, but overall energy balance needs to be maintained (kilojoules in = kilojoules out).  As a result, for some people, this means attention may need to be given to portion sizes, and/or moderating the use of alcohol. In addition, physical activity should be encouraged to maintain lean body mass and improve health.
 
A comment on research design
 
In the arena of public debate, there has also been some discussion as to the limitations of longitudinal, observational studies. These studies follow groups of people over years, even decades, and examine the extent to which differences in food intake, such as fruits and vegetables, meat or whole grain cereals, or nutrient intake, such as saturated fats, carbohydrate or protein (as a percent of total energy), are associated with long-term health outcomes. While the results of these studies do not imply causality, they do provide the basis of ‘natural experiments’ that cannot be replicated in the form of clinical trials. The difference is that one tests ‘interventions’ in a randomised, controlled manner, whereas, the longitudinal study tests the association between ‘exposures’ and disease outcomes in free-living individuals, throughout the life-course, in combination with other lifestyle choices. Each of these study designs contributes importantly to our understanding of the diet- disease relationship, and well-designed research that is peer-reviewed should inform dietary recommendations for public health purposes.
 
Summary
In summary, the following dietary strategies for maintaining health and preventing disease are strongly supported by the peer-reviewed scientific literature and include:
•   A diet rich in vegetables, especially green leafy vegetables – recommended
•   Whole grain sources of carbohydrates – recommended
•   A diet high in fibre – recommended
•   Sugar-sweetened beverages and foods with added sugar – not recommended
•   Highly processed, refined carbohydrates – not recommended
•   A diet with a high-glycaemic load – not recommended
•   Dietary fats which are rich in omega-3 fatty acids and mono-unsaturated fatty acids – recommended
•   Trans-fats or partially-hydrogenated vegetable fats – not recommended

•   Maintenance of a healthy weight – recommended
•   Regular physical activity, at least 30 minutes of moderate activity on most days – recommended

It is also clear that individuals respond differently to different weight loss interventions, and there will be individuals for whom a particular dietary strategy is more or less effective. In practice, this means that there is no “one size fits all” approach when it comes to finding the best nutritional strategy for any given individual. Instead, a holistic approach that takes into account a person’s history (dietary, medical, age, budget, lifestyle, physical activity, psychological factors, family history of disease, and genetics), will be helpful in determining the most effective strategy to promote long-term adherence and quality of life. It also recommended that individuals with chronic, non-communicable diseases (such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension), those struggling to manage their weight, or those with a history of weight or dietary concerns, should ideally consult with a registered dietitian or an appropriate health professional, to decide on the most effective dietary strategy to promote health. Our commitment is to continue to monitor the published research pertaining to nutrition science in order to remain current, to be effective in the translation of this research and to engage in relevant research ourselves.
 
All enquiries to SSISA’s Marketing and Media Manager:
 
Kathleen Mc Quaide-Little:  kmcquaide@ssisa.com
 
________________________________________

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 23, 2014, 07:46:05 am
Tim has been the instigator of carbo loading in the world , he was regarded as a world expert . Instead of coming and saying he was wrong , he has flipped over religiously to the extreme other side. Please believe  me guys , you will get very ill if you follow this diet.

I agree that it was good of Tim to have realised that the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates may be toxic for the body, but to take out all carbohydrates can lead to destroying your gut. You can eat more and better quality protein , and eat better and less carbs but your intestines need carbohydrates. Eat potatoes ,esp sweet potatoes , beans , lentils, brown rice ,oats , quinoa etc  , but don't cut out all carbs.

Also eating bad fats is very unhealthy , you should only consume bacon on a bike trip. It has nitrates which cause cancer esp of the gut and prostrate , and it's fat to nutrition ration is so small that it is not a good food to eat , it is junk food , which causes illnesses.

Tim's latest fad has not been researched long enough , and he is not respected for this diet in the industry , although he is respected as a person .

To be fair, he doesn't say cut out carbs at all. In fact, he says that if you are eating carbs and are happy with your weight, then stay as you are. What he is saying is twofold:
1 If, as you get older especislly, keep putting on weight, then you need to cut back on carbs.
2 He is specifically sayong that one must cut out REFINED carbs, such as sugar and gluten. He actually encourages the consumption of veggies, even quinoa and buckwheat if need be.

What he is saying, is that carbs are not necessary for survival (read Not Dying) and that the consumption of refined carbs can lead to many health problems. He also says that anywhere from 25g-200g per day is correct, depending on how you tolerate carbs and if your weight is stable.

So, in a nutshell, cut out refined carbs and oils (like sunflowewr and Canola) and increase your fat intake. Simple really! People are really getting upset about nothing IMHO.

PS Do you have any studies to back up the statement that "you will get very ill if you follow this diet"?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 07:48:56 am
Is jy bietjie bored Rynet met die die feit dat daar niks met die Oscar trial aangaan nie?  :pot: :biggrin: :3some:

 :imaposer: nee ek werk te hard om bored te wees . Die Oscar thread sal moet wag tot more , ek moet nou werk , maar ja ons sal nog aanhou praat op Oscar , al loop die verhoor nie .  >:D :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 23, 2014, 08:00:52 am
Our sport science institute is regarded as one of the best in the world , its one of the few privately funded institutes in the world ( Discovery half , also Woolworths ) . We are apparently at least 5 years ahead of the UK and our lecturers go there to lecture at their universities . We are also very highly regarded in the USA although a people are cross about the swinging.

Tim was one of the founder members with Morne du Plessis and Johann Rupert

See  http://www.ssisa.com/ (http://www.ssisa.com/)

As one of the founder members and their most charismatic and well -known members , do you guys not think they would advertise/support this new diet on their website ?. Well they don't . I can't say what they really think of Tim, as I would open myself to slander and someone with a doctorate in sport science would risk losing his job , but see below what the SSISA's formal policy is as contained on their website. It is 2012 but it has not changed afaik. Sorry it is long , but it is important . ( my highlights for those with ADD  ;D ) see next post .

And there lies the problem. That is pretty much like when BAT funded cigarrette reseach in the 80s. Never trust the findings of someone who has commercial interest in the outcome.

I don't agree that you will feel ill following this diet. I personally haven't felt this good in years and after some cheat days I actually feel physically ill. Grains especially affect me negatively but like it's been said, some genetic types may react differently to certain foods, but no one knows that for sure
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 08:02:09 am

To be fair, he doesn't say cut out carbs at all. In fact, he says that if you are eating carbs and are happy with your weight, then stay as you are. What he is saying is twofold:
1 If, as you get older especislly, keep putting on weight, then you need to cut back on carbs.
2 He is specifically sayong that one must cut out REFINED carbs, such as sugar and gluten. He actually encourages the consumption of veggies, even quinoa and buckwheat if need be.

What he is saying, is that carbs are not necessary for survival (read Not Dying) and that the consumption of refined carbs can lead to many health problems. He also says that anywhere from 25g-200g per day is correct, depending on how you tolerate carbs and if your weight is stable.

So, in a nutshell, cut out refined carbs and oils (like sunflowewr and Canola) and increase your fat intake. Simple really! People are really getting upset about nothing IMHO.

PS Do you have any studies to back up the statement that "you will get very ill if you follow this diet"?

Hi Bergman  , quinoa and buckwheat are seeds, not grains,  and high in protein , yes very good, but quinoa esp is very expensive.

I must work now , last I looked Tim cut our carbs almost completely , you had to cut out potatoes and other starchy vegs, rice etc. Rice is a staple of the Eastern diet and the people are known for their health and longevity . 

I don't know if there are enough studies done yet , as this fad is now new ( again ) , so problems will only surface in the long run. I have read about people who got ill, and the reason I use this caution is some of the damage is irreversible, like permanent gut disorders .

I know I am coming over strong, but just be careful about cutting out carbs completely and eating too much bad fats that are high in transfats , salt , nitrates and other preservatives.

Rather have a balance . :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 08:05:45 am
Our sport science institute is regarded as one of the best in the world , its one of the few privately funded institutes in the world ( Discovery half , also Woolworths ) . We are apparently at least 5 years ahead of the UK and our lecturers go there to lecture at their universities . We are also very highly regarded in the USA although a people are cross about the swinging.

Tim was one of the founder members with Morne du Plessis and Johann Rupert

See  http://www.ssisa.com/ (http://www.ssisa.com/)

As one of the founder members and their most charismatic and well -known members , do you guys not think they would advertise/support this new diet on their website ?. Well they don't . I can't say what they really think of Tim, as I would open myself to slander and someone with a doctorate in sport science would risk losing his job , but see below what the SSISA's formal policy is as contained on their website. It is 2012 but it has not changed afaik. Sorry it is long , but it is important . ( my highlights for those with ADD  ;D ) see next post .

And there lies the problem. That is pretty much like when BAT funded cigarrette reseach in the 80s. Never trust the findings of someone who has commercial interest in the outcome.

I don't agree that you will feel ill following this diet. I personally haven't felt this good in years and after some cheat days I actually feel physically ill. Grains especially affect me negatively but like it's been said, some genetic types may react differently to certain foods, but no one knows that for sure


Just to explain , Discovery and many in the media have published Tim's diets. For those who care i was talking about his peer scientists. But never mind .

I also don't eat wheat ,  haven't done so in 15 years and eat a lot of protein , but I still eat beans , lentils , rice , oats , potatoes etc.  I agree with some of what Tim says I am just saying have a balance . Carbs is not the evil , refined carbs and stored grains are the problem.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Casting from Turd on April 23, 2014, 08:07:42 am
Well i shit like a heron with teflon coated drols and have lost about 6kg's already..


It works 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 23, 2014, 08:09:43 am
Tim has been the instigator of carbo loading in the world , he was regarded as a world expert . Instead of coming and saying he was wrong , he has flipped over religiously to the extreme other side. Please believe  me guys , you will get very ill if you follow this diet.

I agree that it was good of Tim to have realised that the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates may be toxic for the body, but to take out all carbohydrates can lead to destroying your gut. You can eat more and better quality protein , and eat better and less carbs but your intestines need carbohydrates. Eat potatoes ,esp sweet potatoes , beans , lentils, brown rice ,oats , quinoa etc  , but don't cut out all carbs.

Also eating bad fats is very unhealthy , you should only consume bacon on a bike trip. It has nitrates which cause cancer esp of the gut and prostrate , and it's fat to nutrition ration is so small that it is not a good food to eat , it is junk food , which causes illnesses.

Tim's latest fad has not been researched long enough , and he is not respected for this diet in the industry , although he is respected as a person .

Jy kan darem strooi gorrel  :patch:
Tim het verklaar dat hy verkeerd was en selfs mense gevra om die hoofstuk oor carbo loading etc, uit te skeur uit sy vorige boeke.
Die dieet (nie werklik Tim se dieet) moedig nerens geen carbo aan nie. Kan jy lees "low carbo"
Bacon = junk food   :lol8:
Wie is "die industry". Miskien moet jy eerder gaan oplees wie is "die industry" en wat hulle bevorder . Hulle is verantwoordelik vir moderne lewenstyl eetgewoontes.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 23, 2014, 08:13:03 am
Our sport science institute is regarded as one of the best in the world , its one of the few privately funded institutes in the world ( Discovery half , also Woolworths ) . We are apparently at least 5 years ahead of the UK and our lecturers go there to lecture at their universities . We are also very highly regarded in the USA although a people are cross about the swinging.

Tim was one of the founder members with Morne du Plessis and Johann Rupert

See  http://www.ssisa.com/ (http://www.ssisa.com/)

As one of the founder members and their most charismatic and well -known members , do you guys not think they would advertise/support this new diet on their website ?. Well they don't . I can't say what they really think of Tim, as I would open myself to slander and someone with a doctorate in sport science would risk losing his job , but see below what the SSISA's formal policy is as contained on their website. It is 2012 but it has not changed afaik. Sorry it is long , but it is important . ( my highlights for those with ADD  ;D ) see next post .

And there lies the problem. That is pretty much like when BAT funded cigarrette reseach in the 80s. Never trust the findings of someone who has commercial interest in the outcome.

I don't agree that you will feel ill following this diet. I personally haven't felt this good in years and after some cheat days I actually feel physically ill. Grains especially affect me negatively but like it's been said, some genetic types may react differently to certain foods, but no one knows that for sure


Just to explain , Discovery and many in the media have published Tim's diets. For those who care i was talking about his peer scientists. But never mind .

I also don't eat wheat ,  haven't done so in 15 years and eat a lot of protein , but I still eat beans , lentils , rice , oats , potatoes etc.  I agree with some of what Tim says I am just saying have a balance . Carbs is not the evil , refined carbs and stored grains are the problem.

Nail on the head!!!



Also regarding the rice in eastern diets, I agree with you to a large extent. But the question is, how refined is their rice? He explicitly states that if carbs don't have an adverse effect on you, then don't change.

Tim has never said cut out all carbs, I think that comes from zealotsand extremists, as is the case in all things in life.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 23, 2014, 08:20:23 am
The thing with getting carbs from veggies is that the fibre in the veg helps control insulin spikes in the blood, which is the aim of this diet.

Also, hydrogenated oils (like sunflower and canola and margarine) are a no no. Just stop and think for a second how much of your daily food contains these oils, without even knowing it. French fries, takeaways, mayonnaise, sauces, salad dressings..........

The fats found in butter and animals is the same as we naturally have in our bodies. So why consume manufactured products? As I read somewhere the other day, "I trust cows more than I trust scientists", the guys who are making all this stuff for us to eat. Let's be honest here, all the bad things we consume is there to maximize profits for the company who makes and sells it!!! The grains and fruit we eat today are far removed from their original forms.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 08:29:45 am
Tim has been the instigator of carbo loading in the world , he was regarded as a world expert . Instead of coming and saying he was wrong , he has flipped over religiously to the extreme other side. Please believe  me guys , you will get very ill if you follow this diet.

I agree that it was good of Tim to have realised that the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates may be toxic for the body, but to take out all carbohydrates can lead to destroying your gut. You can eat more and better quality protein , and eat better and less carbs but your intestines need carbohydrates. Eat potatoes ,esp sweet potatoes , beans , lentils, brown rice ,oats , quinoa etc  , but don't cut out all carbs.

Also eating bad fats is very unhealthy , you should only consume bacon on a bike trip. It has nitrates which cause cancer esp of the gut and prostrate , and it's fat to nutrition ration is so small that it is not a good food to eat , it is junk food , which causes illnesses.

Tim's latest fad has not been researched long enough , and he is not respected for this diet in the industry , although he is respected as a person .

Jy kan darem strooi gorrel  :patch:
Tim het verklaar dat hy verkeerd was en selfs mense gevra om die hoofstuk oor carbo loading etc, uit te skeur uit sy vorige boeke.
Die dieet (nie werklik Tim se dieet) moedig nerens geen carbo aan nie. Kan jy lees "low carbo"
Bacon = junk food   :lol8:
Wie is "die industry". Miskien moet jy eerder gaan oplees wie is "die industry" en wat hulle bevorder . Hulle is verantwoordelik vir moderne lewenstyl eetgewoontes.

Subie no need to get personal , its not an exact science and the research keeps improving . So no need to crap on my head . Of course many other food also contains some carbs like veggies and diary . When I talk about carbs here, I talk about Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes, Porridge, Breakfast cereals etc, which he wants you to exclude.

Yes I agree , Tim himself was a big cause of unhealthy carb consumption. My issue with him is that he has swung too much to the other side. And thrown out all carbs instead of encouraging people to bake their own bread and eat healthier unstored brown rice and organic potatoes etc if possible , although who has the time and money and energy to do everything right ? ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 23, 2014, 08:33:14 am
The thing with getting carbs from veggies is that the fibre in the veg helps control insulin spikes in the blood, which is the aim of this diet.

Also, hydrogenated oils (like sunflower and canola and margarine) are a no no. Just stop and think for a second how much of your daily food contains these oils, without even knowing it. French fries, takeaways, mayonnaise, sauces, salad dressings..........

The fats found in butter and animals is the same as we naturally have in our bodies. So why consume manufactured products? As I read somewhere the other day, "I trust cows more than I trust scientists", the guys who are making all this stuff for us to eat. Let's be honest here, all the bad things we consume is there to maximize profits for the company who makes and sells it!!! The grains and fruit we eat today are far removed from their original forms.

Eat protein with good low gi carbs then you won't spike . I wont eat margarine either .  I agree good oils like Coconut and Olive and butter. Meat is good , just not bacon and other processed foods , preferably organic meat   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mikedabike on April 23, 2014, 08:43:14 am
Received it thank you Veldtie.....the missus also excited to try this eating lifestyle/program
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: manta on April 23, 2014, 08:49:04 am
First off to call this the Tim Noakes diet is a misnomer.

The 'Time Noakes' diet is a shameless rip off of the paleo diet with a couple of tweaks here and there.

Let me begin by stating that I do not believe there was ever a paleolithic era of mankind but I digress. The fact remains that aboriginal people the world over have followed the 'paleo' diet for centuries and these people have had exceptional health markers as attested to by various studies.

Following this kind of diet is inherently very healthy. With that being said, please read the next part very carefully.

Meat is no longer meat in that most meats come from large commercial farms where the cheapest and worst feeds possible are fed to the animals. This has changed the chemical profiles of the meat so you are no longer getting the best protein. For a comparison look at the differences between grain fed and grass fed beef. You can do the same with commercially battery farmed chickens and free range chickens. The list goes on and on.

What to do?
Use your brain. If you plan on following this type of diet, do your homework as to where your food comes from and make sure the composition of said food is based on healthy markers. Usually if you buy organic (from reputable sources) you will get the right level of protein.

I have been following paleo for over two years. I do need to add carbs because I am an amateur athlete and train quite a bit. Having no carbs was affecting my athletic performance. I earn my carbs and usually stick to sweet potato and raw oats. I will also eat pretty much any vegetable. Other than that I stick to paleo making sure I get the right foods. No processed rubbish and try and stick to grass fed and free range as far as possible.

My blood tests do not lie. I am 40 years young, all my markers, glucose, cholesterol, BF etc. are excellent. The nurse that did my assessment told me she only sees these kinds of numbers in university athletes.

Do your research before you embark on a eating plan or lifestyle plan. Get blood tests done at the beginning and have it rechecked after 3 months. Then keep re-assessing until you are comfortable that it is not affecting your health negatively. This is just good advice.

As for the naysayers of paleo, Tim Noakes, Atkins etc. Please do some actual research for yourself and don't just bow to the supposed 'experts'. If you check what you are doing you will not mess your body up and you will learn new things not only about how your body works but more about what you eat and how it affects you.

My R5.50
M
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 23, 2014, 08:49:49 am
An article from one of the world's leading nutrition institutes, based on the results of scientific research.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets (http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 23, 2014, 09:05:01 am
First off to call this the Tim Noakes diet is a misnomer.

The 'Time Noakes' diet is a shameless rip off of the paleo diet with a couple of tweaks here and there.

Let me begin by stating that I do not believe there was ever a paleolithic era of mankind but I digress. The fact remains that aboriginal people the world over have followed the 'paleo' diet for centuries and these people have had exceptional health markers as attested to by various studies.

Following this kind of diet is inherently very healthy. With that being said, please read the next part very carefully.

Meat is no longer meat in that most meats come from large commercial farms where the cheapest and worst feeds possible are fed to the animals. This has changed the chemical profiles of the meat so you are no longer getting the best protein. For a comparison look at the differences between grain fed and grass fed beef. You can do the same with commercially battery farmed chickens and free range chickens. The list goes on and on.

What to do?
Use your brain. If you plan on following this type of diet, do your homework as to where your food comes from and make sure the composition of said food is based on healthy markers. Usually if you buy organic (from reputable sources) you will get the right level of protein.

I have been following paleo for over two years. I do need to add carbs because I am an amateur athlete and train quite a bit. Having no carbs was affecting my athletic performance. I earn my carbs and usually stick to sweet potato and raw oats. I will also eat pretty much any vegetable. Other than that I stick to paleo making sure I get the right foods. No processed rubbish and try and stick to grass fed and free range as far as possible.

My blood tests do not lie. I am 40 years young, all my markers, glucose, cholesterol, BF etc. are excellent. The nurse that did my assessment told me she only sees these kinds of numbers in university athletes.

Do your research before you embark on a eating plan or lifestyle plan. Get blood tests done at the beginning and have it rechecked after 3 months. Then keep re-assessing until you are comfortable that it is not affecting your health negatively. This is just good advice.

As for the naysayers of paleo, Tim Noakes, Atkins etc. Please do some actual research for yourself and don't just bow to the supposed 'experts'. If you check what you are doing you will not mess your body up and you will learn new things not only about how your body works but more about what you eat and how it affects you.

My R5.50
M

Correct!
The problem is that people get over-zealous about things and then try and no-carb, often to their detriment. Noakes says eat veggies for carbs and cut processed rubbish, simple really. I don't see the issue with that.

An interesting fact, if I may, is that while exercising, consuming carbs has no affect on blood glucose and doesn't spike insulin. That means that if running or cycling for example, you can have more hi GI carbs without it affecting the overall picture. Just stop eating/drinking them when you are finished the activity.

What his book is doing is giving the science behind the plan and then some examples of how to make that food and stock the pantry.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 23, 2014, 09:07:29 am
Jirre.... ons kan ook fooken alles in 'n fight omdraai.....

As jy nie hou om die manier te eet nie great, eet jou pasta en brood en goed. Jy is 'n flippen groot mens en kan vir jouself besluit.

Nes ek.... As ek kies om nie pasta en goed te eet nie so frieken what?! Om bladsye strond te gaan skryf gaan nie my mind verander nie.

Ek verloor gewig, voel beter en mis nie carbs nie. Maar ek het ook 'n brein wat so nou en dan werk.... Ons eet nie 2kg botter op 'n slag met 4kg bacon nie. As jy dink dit is hoe dit werk is jy vertraag.

So hou op fight....

Het julle gehoor om te staan lower jou COG?!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 23, 2014, 09:30:59 am
An article from one of the world's leading nutrition institutes, based on the results of scientific research.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets (http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets)


Nie dat ek sê hys verkeerd nie maar daai hele website klink soos 'n verimark advertensie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Heimer on April 23, 2014, 09:45:32 am
Jirre.... ons kan ook fooken alles in 'n fight omdraai.....

As jy nie hou om die manier te eet nie great, eet jou pasta en brood en goed. Jy is 'n flippen groot mens en kan vir jouself besluit.

Nes ek.... As ek kies om nie pasta en goed te eet nie so frieken what?! Om bladsye strond te gaan skryf gaan nie my mind verander nie.

Ek verloor gewig, voel beter en mis nie carbs nie. Maar ek het ook 'n brein wat so nou en dan werk.... Ons eet nie 2kg botter op 'n slag met 4kg bacon nie. As jy dink dit is hoe dit werk is jy vertraag.

So hou op fight....

Het julle gehoor om te staan lower jou COG?!

Ontspan Grrr... - gaan eet 'n garage paai en vat 'n pienk melkie  ;)

En onthou:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 23, 2014, 09:53:12 am
Ontspan Grrr......

Ek is. Dit is net snaaks dat altyd as daar so iets opkom is daar 'n groepie wat dit hulle plig maak om ons dom mense te probeer red.....

Vir die wat ons nogsteeds probeer "red" van onself....

http://www.youtube.com/v/moSFlvxnbgk?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0"



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Footloose on April 23, 2014, 09:55:08 am
If you read the book by Tim Noakes and his co-author chefs they not claim the diet as theirs, they credit to some other bloke (surname Bant something???). They have also coined the term "Banting" in the book. I have started reading the book so I am not up to speed yet.

So I am going go for a medical check up and then I will try this.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 23, 2014, 09:56:28 am
Tim has been the instigator of carbo loading in the world , he was regarded as a world expert . Instead of coming and saying he was wrong , he has flipped over religiously to the extreme other side. Please believe  me guys , you will get very ill if you follow this diet.

I agree that it was good of Tim to have realised that the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates may be toxic for the body, but to take out all carbohydrates can lead to destroying your gut. You can eat more and better quality protein , and eat better and less carbs but your intestines need carbohydrates. Eat potatoes ,esp sweet potatoes , beans , lentils, brown rice ,oats , quinoa etc  , but don't cut out all carbs.

Also eating bad fats is very unhealthy , you should only consume bacon on a bike trip. It has nitrates which cause cancer esp of the gut and prostrate , and it's fat to nutrition ration is so small that it is not a good food to eat , it is junk food , which causes illnesses.

Tim's latest fad has not been researched long enough , and he is not respected for this diet in the industry , although he is respected as a person .

Jy kan darem strooi gorrel  :patch:
Tim het verklaar dat hy verkeerd was en selfs mense gevra om die hoofstuk oor carbo loading etc, uit te skeur uit sy vorige boeke.
Die dieet (nie werklik Tim se dieet) moedig nerens geen carbo aan nie. Kan jy lees "low carbo"
Bacon = junk food   :lol8:
Wie is "die industry". Miskien moet jy eerder gaan oplees wie is "die industry" en wat hulle bevorder . Hulle is verantwoordelik vir moderne lewenstyl eetgewoontes.

Subie no need to get personal , its not an exact science and the research keeps improving . So no need to crap on my head . Of course many other food also contains some carbs like veggies and diary . When I talk about carbs here, I talk about Bread, Rice, Pasta, Potatoes, Porridge, Breakfast cereals etc, which he wants you to exclude.

Yes I agree , Tim himself was a big cause of unhealthy carb consumption. My issue with him is that he has swung too much to the other side. And thrown out all carbs instead of encouraging people to bake their own bread and eat healthier unstored brown rice and organic potatoes etc if possible , although who has the time and money and energy to do everything right ? ::)


Nee jong!! Ek het mos nou nerens persoonlik geraak. Iets negatief van jou of jou persoon geopper nie.
Slegs my opinie oor jou pos geplaas wat tog seker elkeen van ons hier se reg is. As ek snert pos en iemand herken dit as snert
kan ek mos nou nie vir die persoon gaan se hy raak persoonlik met sy opinie nie.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 23, 2014, 09:59:14 am
If you read the book by Tim Noakes and his co-author chefs they not claim the diet as theirs, they credit to some other bloke (surname Bant something???). They have also coined the term "Banting" in the book. I have started reading the book so I am not up to speed yet.

So I am going go for a medical check up and then I will try this.

Ek het ook Maandag eers n draai by dokter gaan maak. My bloeddruk is 100/180 wat nogal n skok was vir my.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on April 23, 2014, 10:33:16 am
I could not give two shits what Tim Noakes think.

We must make up our own minds.

My grandfather always ate the fattest meat, lots of fresh fruit and veg, and never junk food.
He drank brandy (on the rocks) every evening, and he went on a month holiday every year.

He died at 93 years of age.


Meat and fat is, like fresh fruit and veg, the closest you can come to food in their original state.
Original state is good.

My motto is I dont eat anything that I can't recognise or that is processed.
Viennas, patties, funny sauces, cakes & bakes, sugar, white bread, pasta, and no fast foods (with the exception of pizza every now and then)


Forgot Tim Noakes and use your common sense and listen to your body.
And drink beer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on April 23, 2014, 10:38:52 am
What does this diet do for your energy levels?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 23, 2014, 10:44:46 am
I could not give two shits what Tim Noakes think.

We must make up our own minds.

My grandfather always ate the fattest meat, lots of fresh fruit and veg, and never junk food.
He drank brandy (on the rocks) every evening, and he went on a month holiday every year.

He died at 93 years of age.


Meat and fat is, like fresh fruit and veg, the closest you can come to food in their original state.
Original state is good.

My motto is I dont eat anything that I can't recognise or that is processed.
Viennas, patties, funny sauces, cakes & bakes, sugar, white bread, pasta, and no fast foods (with the exception of pizza every now and then)


Forgot Tim Noakes and use your common sense and listen to your body.
And drink beer.


Commonsense your post  :thumleft:
Some of us like me have lost most of it unfortunately when it comes to lifestyle,eating and activity levels. :xxbah:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 23, 2014, 10:45:25 am
Oh one unexpected benefit from changing my diet is that I don't have to take my heartburn medication anymore. I used to have to take a daily tablet and I've been hospitalised and close to death because of internal bleeding caused by heartburn. Also don't have to deal with some of the nasty side effects caused by the medication either. Everyone kept insisting that smoking and drinking was the culprit but I still do a lot of both
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on April 23, 2014, 10:57:40 am
What does this diet do for your energy levels?

What I can tell you is that since eat less bread and more fat, I can run much better and recovery time is much faster.
Also, I'm better in bed.

But then again I've always been rather good.
 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on April 23, 2014, 11:13:14 am
What does this diet do for your energy levels?

What I can tell you is that since eat less bread and more fat, I can run much better and recovery time is much faster.
Also, I'm better in bed.

But then again I've always been rather good.
 :biggrin: :biggrin:

Mmm.... like the bed one.

What about general energy levels throughout the day?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on April 23, 2014, 11:20:14 am
What does this diet do for your energy levels?

What I can tell you is that since eat less bread and more fat, I can run much better and recovery time is much faster.
Also, I'm better in bed.

But then again I've always been rather good.
 :biggrin: :biggrin:

Mmm.... like the bed one.

What about general energy levels throughout the day?

Also better.
It took me a number of years to figure out that bread and pasta makes me lethargic.
Now I can function properly the whole day without that post-lunch 2-3pm energy crash.



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 23, 2014, 11:26:12 am
It took me a number of years to figure out that bread and pasta makes me lethargic.
Now I can function properly the whole day without that post-lunch 2-3pm energy crash.





When I was still involved with training, one of the things we knew was not to put out concentrated carbs for snacks during breaks, because everyone would become sleepy afterwards. I only found out later that it is because of the insulin reaction that causes blood sugar to drop.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 23, 2014, 11:27:40 am
I've been living low carb high fat for three years now. There is an initial adaptation period, which is different for everyone. Some adapt in a few days, others may take a few weeks. During this time, you may feel lethargic and have the odd headache. Supplement with magnesium and sodium.

After you've adapted, energy is not a problem. You can skip meals without getting the sugar low shakes. Hitting the wall does not happen anymore. Fasted exercise is not a problem. Your body has adapted to burning fat, and will switch to reserves without you even noticing.

Me: Weight Lost 30kg
      BP before 150/90 BP now 135/75

I eat massive amounts of butter, coconut oil and fatty meat. If you can't get meat from a friendly farmer, add Omega 3's, preferably fish oil.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 23, 2014, 11:32:28 am
P.S. You don't have to be anal about this, either. While losing weight, stick to a 90/10 rule, where you stay strict 90% of the time. If at a good weight, 80/20  is fine. If I eat out with family or friends, I eat anything and drink beer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 23, 2014, 11:39:37 am
I am going to start this diet on the first of May....113kg is just not on anymore :xxbah:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 23, 2014, 11:55:35 am
I am going to start this diet on the first of May....113kg is just not on anymore :xxbah:

Why then? Start today.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Gérrard on April 23, 2014, 12:08:05 pm
P.S. You don't have to be anal about this, either. While losing weight, stick to a 90/10 rule, where you stay strict 90% of the time. If at a good weight, 80/20  is fine. If I eat out with family or friends, I eat anything and drink beer.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 23, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
I am going to start this diet on the first of May....113kg is just not on anymore :xxbah:

Why then? Start today.

New grocery month  :)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bernt on April 23, 2014, 01:43:15 pm
I started this eating plan end of 2013. For years I have not been able to loose those few kilos around my waist. As a runner it has been something that has bothered me. those kilos are now gone. I do not get tired and my running is stronger. I generally just feel amazing now. For years I avoided fat, now I eat more than I ever did and I feel better for it. the only thing I do not cut out is white dry wine. Beer is a problem though !! I probably do a 90/10 eating plan due to visiting family and friends where I do not get technical - just do not make excuses for eating carbs or sugar.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on April 23, 2014, 02:22:22 pm
Kaboef en wat van al die wyn?  :pot:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on April 23, 2014, 02:39:43 pm
Kaboef en wat van al die wyn?  :pot:

Medisinaal, se ek jou.
Dit help my verstaan. Alles maak meer sin na die 2de glas wyn.

 :biggrin:






Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on April 23, 2014, 03:11:53 pm
My wyn het nie stysel in nie  :deal:

Ek doen ook low carbon weergawe,  en verloor ook goed pens cms. So 5 kg in 1st maand is weg,  en ek voel baie meer energiek  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KaTooMatt on April 23, 2014, 04:58:06 pm
Lot's of stress especially from Rynet. I would like to share some of my experience. I turned around at 147 kg in December. I knew I wanted to Tim Noakes but only found his book 2 months ago so we Paleo'd it over Christmas with no weight gain. Now I am 19kg's  down(128kg). Gym regularly and feeling happier with myself.

Three weeks ago my 5year old daughter was diagnosed type 1 diabetes. When the doctor heard we were already "Banting" he was excited and said all we would have to do is make her join us on the diet. The feedback from the check up last week is that we are exemplary parents and they could reduce the control insulin significantly. My daughter love rice. This weekend she got hold of some rice probably a normal side portion of so called healthy brown rice and at her late night insulin check her sugar had rocketed from the now regular 7 - 8.5 to 24. Despite us having given her an extra insulin dose as a result of the rice. Carbohydrates hurt us more than we realise.

I used race Surfski's and Kayaks reasonably competitively for years. I tried Carbo-loading having read the "Lore of Running". It never worked for me. I would be flat for the first hour or so before the load kicked in by then I had a lot of catching up to do. By trial and error I learned that I raced most effectively on the protein pre-race builders. This way I could paddle an eight hour day and not need to eat anything. Sadly I missed the cue and kept eating a Carb rich diet between the races as my Body needed the fuel. - I was wrong.

Also Rynet and others are saying this has never been tested. Our Parents would start the day with Bacon and eggs. Arthur Newton won all his comrades on steak egg and chips. My great-grandfather ran comrades and famously stopped for Curry and Rice to help him along the way.

Interestingly I had a very interesting chat with someone at a B&B in PE recently. He and his wife were both doing Tim Noakes he had lost weight and she was putting it on hand over fist. They couldn't understand it until they were asked their blood groups. He is O pos she A neg. It seems there may be something to the blood group diet that was all the rage ten years ago. A neg are supposed to eat like rabbits. They were going to try it and see if it worked.

I must say I enjoy eating all the things I rally crave and still be losing weight. Anybody fro some biltong?

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on April 23, 2014, 05:05:46 pm
Interesting post, Katoomatt.

I agree with you on the blood type thing. I am O and my wife is A, and we react totally different to foods.

If she eats a steak at dinner she lies awake.
If I eat pasta at dinner I lie awake.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 23, 2014, 05:07:31 pm
Ja nee ou storie is wat ek wil hoor. Volg maand is dit my beurt om gewig af te skud!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: punisher on April 23, 2014, 05:25:29 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 23, 2014, 05:42:11 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????


Eet net minder en k@k meer...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 23, 2014, 05:42:31 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on April 23, 2014, 05:42:46 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????


You got tree mail  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 23, 2014, 05:44:04 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?

Nou kan hy dit in stereo doen  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on April 23, 2014, 05:47:14 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?

Nou kan hy dit in stereo doen  :imaposer:

 :biggrin: ... a proper balanced diet
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 23, 2014, 05:51:06 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????


Chocolate is made from a plant. It's like salad. Eat as much as you like.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 23, 2014, 05:52:33 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????


Chocolate is made from a plant. It's like salad. Eat as much as you like.
Ja go for it but just first remove the sugar. ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on April 23, 2014, 05:52:55 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????


Chocolate is made from a plant. It's like salad. Eat as much as you like.

Just make sure the sugar goes straight through in the morning...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 777 on April 23, 2014, 07:31:22 pm
Pls may someone send me the diet or link , craigwittwer1@gmail.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Glacier on April 23, 2014, 09:03:36 pm
For those of you that don't have the book you can find some useful info at the following link:
http://originaleating.org/ (http://originaleating.org/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: punisher on April 24, 2014, 07:34:24 am
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?

Didn't get it mate

No worries tho , two other loonies sent it to me. :).  Thanx guys
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 24, 2014, 08:16:29 am
 :xxbah: Ok day 1..... I was a healthy but uncomfortable 114 this morning at the start of day one....bring it on
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: scarycat on April 24, 2014, 12:53:09 pm
Bought the book beginning Feb. Lost 4kg.
I am also diabetic and tried this more because of my sugar than the weight. I use to inject almost 50units insulin per day (3times a day), now only 30units and my sugar is constantly below 10. Since being diagnosed with diabetes in 2003, I feel for the first time that my sugar is under control.

Good luck to everybody "banting" and losing weight!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 24, 2014, 01:25:29 pm
Bought the book beginning Feb. Lost 4kg.
I am also diabetic and tried this more because of my sugar than the weight. I use to inject almost 50units insulin per day (3times a day), now only 30units and my sugar is constantly below 10. Since being diagnosed with diabetes in 2003, I feel for the first time that my sugar is under control.

Good luck to everybody "banting" and losing weight!

Thanks, this is inspirational
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 24, 2014, 01:26:02 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?

Didn't get it mate

No worries tho , two other loonies sent it to me. :).  Thanx guys
Hey who's your loony? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: punisher on April 24, 2014, 02:12:08 pm
please can someone send me the plan ???

prettttttttttttttttty  pleeeeeez   or send me the link

ohhh yeah  ........... and ........  is chocolate a carb or a protein ????

But I sent you the link?

Didn't get it mate

No worries tho , two other loonies sent it to me. :).  Thanx guys
Hey who's your loony? :biggrin:

The other two who managed to get it right :D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: halfjob on April 24, 2014, 03:31:55 pm
I am going to start this diet on the first of May....113kg is just not on anymore :xxbah:

yup i am the same weight  ::) and had a BP of 140/105  :o and just started walking on Tuesday, down to 130/80 this morning.  :ricky: my lifestyle was kark, bad eating habits too much boozing etc etc now eat 3 meals a day cut down the booze (except for bashes  :ricky:) and i feel a shit load better now with more vooma. will try this and see what the results are.  :deal:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 24, 2014, 03:43:06 pm
I am going to start this diet on the first of May....113kg is just not on anymore :xxbah:

yup i am the same weight  ::) and had a BP of 140/105  :o and just started walking on Tuesday, down to 130/80 this morning.  :ricky: my lifestyle was kark, bad eating habits too much boozing etc etc now eat 3 meals a day cut down the booze (except for bashes  :ricky:) and i feel a shit load better now with more vooma. will try this and see what the results are.  :deal:

Jip, I had a wake up call. One got to take action before the 'blubber is all over the bodyparts!"
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on April 24, 2014, 05:31:43 pm
Any one know where we can buy the book?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 24, 2014, 09:54:18 pm
Any one know where we can buy the book?

Most bookstores, I'm sure.  I got mine from Kalahari.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on April 25, 2014, 06:01:36 am
Grrrr.....everything is not always about you ,ok ?  I don’t even care what my own boyfriend eats , why should I care what some internet bully eats?   . I always try not post on your threads , had not realised this was your thread, but I see now you see it like that . Funny how the very thing that irritates one is usually something that we do ourselves , isn't ? 

My posts were about giving my opinion about Tim himself, I don't care if people listen to me or not .  And yes I cut out wheat and sugar 16 years ago and the first year I also only ate protein and fat and green veggies , but when my symptoms were gone I started eating healthy carbs again, still no wheat or sugar and I feel much better. It took Tim another 13 years to catch up to some tannie in Slaapstad and many others. And he has only been doing it for 2/3 years so he is still experimenting , but at least he has loads of voluntary human guinea pigs .  ;)  But he is the one making money , and why , because he is charismatic and famous. What is he famous for ? For making us all sick with his punting of highly processed bad carbs in the first place . :imaposer:

But really , none of what I said was directed at you , as you said you do still eat carbs. It was about giving my opinion about Tim , that he has not done any of his own research on this diet meant as a short-term aid for pre-diabetic people, but he used outdated research of others, which has been shown to be harmful if used in the long run. And it was about giving an alternative perspective to say that people can still be healthy and happy and lose weight by cutting  out sugar and bad carbs and eating a more sustainable diet of veggies , protein and healthy fats together with moderate good carbs. But really  , use it , don’t use, what do I care if men start losing their sex drive and growing boobs ?  :biggrin: >:D
   
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on April 25, 2014, 06:24:50 am

But really  , use it , don’t use, what do I care if men start losing their sex drive and growing boobs ?  :biggrin: >:D
   

  :imaposer:  ja and the chicks their PMT and start growing hair on their nipples

Rynet I agree with your pragmatic balanced approach - this is very much my 'diet'
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on April 25, 2014, 08:00:29 am
Grrrr.....everything is not always about you ,ok ?  I don’t even care what my own boyfriend eats , why should I care what some internet bully eats?   . I always try not post on your threads , had not realised this was your thread, but I see now you see it like that . Funny how the very thing that irritates one is usually something that we do ourselves , isn't ? 

My posts were about giving my opinion about Tim himself, I don't care if people listen to me or not .  And yes I cut out wheat and sugar 16 years ago and the first year I also only ate protein and fat and green veggies , but when my symptoms were gone I started eating healthy carbs again, still no wheat or sugar and I feel much better. It took Tim another 13 years to catch up to some tannie in Slaapstad and many others. And he has only been doing it for 2/3 years so he is still experimenting , but at least he has loads of voluntary human guinea pigs .  ;)  But he is the one making money , and why , because he is charismatic and famous. What is he famous for ? For making us all sick with his punting of highly processed bad carbs in the first place . :imaposer:

But really , none of what I said was directed at you , as you said you do still eat carbs. It was about giving my opinion about Tim , that he has not done any of his own research on this diet meant as a short-term aid for pre-diabetic people, but he used outdated research of others, which has been shown to be harmful if used in the long run. And it was about giving an alternative perspective to say that people can still be healthy and happy and lose weight by cutting  out sugar and bad carbs and eating a more sustainable diet of veggies , protein and healthy fats together with moderate good carbs. But really  , use it , don’t use, what do I care if men start losing their sex drive and growing boobs ?  :biggrin: >:D
   


The one thing that really struck me about the Real Meal Revolution is how much they push veggies. I was also under the impression that it was mainly a fat and meat diet, but it is far removed from that. It's basically staying away from any processed foods.

Rynet, what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on April 25, 2014, 08:05:14 am
what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?

Mikuni  :peepwall:


On another note, I didn't see anything about coffee in the diet. Did I not look close enough, or is coffee ok according to Noakes?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on April 25, 2014, 08:09:45 am
what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?

Mikuni  :peepwall:


On another note, I didn't see anything about coffee in the diet. Did I not look close enough, or is coffee ok according to Noakes?

Coffee seems to be ok, with full cream milk and Stevia or the like for sweetness...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Scenic Ride on April 25, 2014, 08:12:06 am
Dankie Veldtie...!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on April 25, 2014, 08:13:19 am
what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?

Mikuni  :peepwall:


On another note, I didn't see anything about coffee in the diet. Did I not look close enough, or is coffee ok according to Noakes?

I recall reading that coffee is your friend.  I loovve coffee,  but on the rocks only,  no milk,  sugar or other contaminants  :sip:

My grasp is that good carbs are those that occur naturally in veggies and fruit.  It excludes baked and processed goodies
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: paulb on April 25, 2014, 08:19:33 am
Ek is vandag al 1 maand op die eet styl , het nog net 1 kg verloor , maar my vel blink mooi van al botter wat ek eet  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on April 25, 2014, 08:20:45 am
what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?

Mikuni  :peepwall:


On another note, I didn't see anything about coffee in the diet. Did I not look close enough, or is coffee ok according to Noakes?


I recall reading that coffee is your friend.  I loovve coffee,  but on the rocks only,  no milk,  sugar or other contaminants  :sip:

My grasp is that good carbs are those that occur naturally in veggies and fruit.  It excludes baked and processed goodies
So coffee with full cream milk and no sugar is good??
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 25, 2014, 08:28:04 am
what do you classify as a good carb, if I may ask?

Mikuni  :peepwall:


On another note, I didn't see anything about coffee in the diet. Did I not look close enough, or is coffee ok according to Noakes?

Coffee seems to be ok, with full cream milk and Stevia or the like for sweetness...

Everything you wanted to know about coffee
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: punisher on April 25, 2014, 08:31:03 am
I already have bewbs
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 25, 2014, 05:17:05 pm
My wife came home one night and declared we are doing the caveman diet, and spelled it out for me, all I heard was no beer.

So I stopped bathing, about a week later the smell was even getting to me, and eventually she was forced to say something.

"Hey" I said, "Cavemen certainly didn't bath, if we are doing this, we got to do it properly". The next night there were 12 of my favorites in the fridge.  >:D

But seriously, I see a lot of folks getting results with this Tim Noakes thing, but a lot of folks, including me, got top results following the Body for Life principles, which basically was 6 smaller meals a day, all of which included an equal portion of protein, quality carbs and loads of veggies. Nice thing about that was the cheat day every week where you could eat whatever you wanted.

My only problem was it was Body for 20 weeks, not life, but I am trying and training hard, I just Love the sweet stuff, can't help myself, Love the sweet stuff.......................
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 25, 2014, 07:33:21 pm
Ok. Not sure if whether mr Nouks will agree, but the skilpaadjies and brussel sprouts went down superbly.

No carbs at least. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 25, 2014, 08:56:05 pm
Ok. Not sure if whether mr Nouks will agree, but the skilpaadjies and brussel sprouts went down superbly.

No carbs at least. :biggrin:

Njam, sounds delicious!

Well I haven't cheated yet and probably won't because all the food in this diet so far was nice and according to my taste. And just for the record: any diet that tell me not to do coffee will be ignored. I can't go without coffee, finish en klaar!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: AntonW on April 25, 2014, 09:33:10 pm
Hello fellow Banters, I start banting on the 6 Jan this year and 100 day of not drinking to turbo charge the process I have lost about 15 kgs. I read his letter to Runners World after seeing his interview on Carte Blanche, where  he did say he had been wrong and tear the offending pages out of his book. http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/ (http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/)

I find all the claims are true and I did have some carbs now and then. I have changed my eating habits and not worried about the quantity I eat. What I find amazing is bread which one of my big pit falls now does not taste very nice anymore.

I believe you tailor the eating plan to suit you and make it work for you.

Whisky and soda is a good replacement for B&C's. One of the great out come of not drinking for 100 days was my bank account  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChinaPete on April 26, 2014, 03:51:28 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on April 26, 2014, 08:23:27 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Me as well please maria.vanzyl@coega.co.za thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on April 26, 2014, 08:28:34 am
Hello fellow Banters, I start banting on the 6 Jan this year and 100 day of not drinking to turbo charge the process I have lost about 15 kgs. I read his letter to Runners World after seeing his interview on Carte Blanche, where  he did say he had been wrong and tear the offending pages out of his book. http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/ (http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/)

I find all the claims are true and I did have some carbs now and then. I have changed my eating habits and not worried about the quantity I eat. What I find amazing is bread which one of my big pit falls now does not taste very nice anymore.
I believe you tailor the eating plan to suit you and make it work for you.

Whisky and soda is a good replacement for B&C's. One of the great out come of not drinking for 100 days was my bank account  :biggrin:


Same here. Loved bread but have also lost my taste for it. Did well this week,feel so much better but today I am going to a spitbraai
and plan to have some beers  :xxbah:
Not sure if it is the new blood pressure meds (prexum) or low carbo diet. I have lost 2.8kg (probably mostly water) even did a few exercise sessions. Feel much more better than a week ago.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChinaPete on April 26, 2014, 11:15:28 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Received, thank you :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: HeeBs on April 26, 2014, 09:39:23 pm
Also starting with this. I cooked the "Baked linefish with lemon and tomato" on page 174 - JINNE! it was f#sking awesome! I have little to no cooking skills but this was easy to make and tasted delicious.
I just used hake because I wasn't about to go shopping again.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bosheks on April 27, 2014, 12:08:45 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Me as well please maria.vanzyl@coega.co.za thanks


May I also ask for the link pleeeeeease? aileenz@tru-cape.co.za
Thanks!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Martyn on April 27, 2014, 06:37:19 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Me as well please maria.vanzyl@coega.co.za thanks


Me too please martynm at live.co.za  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Tinky777 on April 27, 2014, 09:47:10 am
Hi

May I also have the link please? Thank you!

ilse@coolwinners.co.za

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 27, 2014, 11:20:22 pm
Do anyone have an idea if this eating style is more expensive or not. We find that we go thru lot of bacon & eggs. But no cereal or fruit etc anymore. We also eat less.. Would be interesting to know...
Title: Re:
Post by: Heimer on April 28, 2014, 01:03:34 am
Certainly bad for the ozone layer :-)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dustman on April 28, 2014, 06:05:16 am
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Me as well please maria.vanzyl@coega.co.za thanks


May I also ask for the link pleeeeeease? aileenz@tru-cape.co.za
Thanks!

Me too please johangravett@yahoo.com    tx
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on April 28, 2014, 06:29:26 am
Sub
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ross Riddle on April 28, 2014, 06:47:38 am
Morning,
Can you post the link? I am interested in trying this out.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Tinky777 on April 28, 2014, 07:13:22 am
Received via dropbox  :)

Thanks very much for sharing!  ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vaalseun on April 28, 2014, 08:59:20 am
What is the effect going to be on my cholesterol levels?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on April 28, 2014, 10:03:38 am
What is the effect going to be on my cholesterol levels?

It is going to change for the better it appears :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: HeeBs on April 28, 2014, 10:25:54 am
Do anyone have an idea if this eating style is more expensive or not. We find that we go thru lot of bacon & eggs. But no cereal or fruit etc anymore. We also eat less.. Would be interesting to know...

I just started with this eating plan so I'm not sure about the cost yet. I know my wife spent about R300 less at the spar, mainly because she bought less bread, chips, cookies and crap. (I was a constant snacker)

The problem is, I've spent a small fortune this weekend mainly because I don't have the ingredients stocked up in my fridge, so everytime I try a new recipe, I have to go out and buy something.

I think if you and the wife follow the plan, then it should be a little less or about even in cost. My problem is I am the only one following the Banting lifestyle at the moment, so My wife purchases the usual food and I have to sort out my food, so it's a little more pricey. ( I also have kids that like sweets and crap)

Take into account that when you head off to a shopping centre or something - No pie, no coke, no cheeseburger and chips etc. When you add up the cash you spend on this, you'll be surprised how much you spend.

Oh and 2kgs in 3 days!!! That's a lot of weight to lose in a short time, particularly for me as I've had a war with my weight for over 30yrs!

Good luck.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 28, 2014, 10:57:36 am
Day 5 and I have lost 3 kg already!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 28, 2014, 11:39:39 am
Initial weight will be water. It will slow down after the first few days.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on April 28, 2014, 11:49:59 am
Link pretty pretty please  lehannec@gmail.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dustman on April 28, 2014, 12:20:51 pm
Can someone please send me the link - peter.smithgw@gmail.com - Thanks :thumleft:

Me as well please maria.vanzyl@coega.co.za thanks


May I also ask for the link pleeeeeease? aileenz@tru-cape.co.za
Thanks!

Me too please johangravett@yahoo.com    tx

thank you lots.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BoJangels on April 28, 2014, 01:30:52 pm
May I have the link as well please  :lamer:...not that I am fat, would like to eat better and have more energy though....

Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 28, 2014, 02:21:57 pm
My take on this:  I used to do strong man competitions.  Whenever growth slowed down, I would make a change to my training regime.  That would stimulate growth and strength again.  Sometimes it would be to use less weight and more reps, sometime super-sets, what-ever. The point is that it was the single act of changing the program that triggered the results.

Later in my life I had some spare bulk.  So I found that a simple change in my diet would cause me to loose 3 or 4 kg.  But it was not sustainable.  I went on the Atkins diet in 2006. I was on it for 6 months. It is the same as the Noakes diet.  Almost exactly, even to the cook-book. (I had nightmares where I woke up smelling a pot-brood).   I lost 12kg.  But it tapered off.  My cholesterol crept up slowly, but my skin-folds were down.

So ultimately I came to a shocking conclusion:  I could eat whatever I wanted as long as I exercised.  Now I know that a lot of people will find really compelling reasons not to exercise.  That's fine.  Just don't give me hassles when I eat exactly what I want to.  If you want to be like my Tannie in Otjiwarongo that goes on a grapes-only diet for a month to loose 20 kg, that's fine.  The point is, any change in your present diet is almost guaranteed to have some results, especially in the 1st week. Sorry.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BoJangels on April 28, 2014, 02:33:17 pm
Thanks EB, got it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alanB on April 28, 2014, 03:18:03 pm
I see this turned into quite an argument  :biggrin:

FWIW I get nervous when somebody starts claiming to be the "discoverer" of a diet.

I read a single article on better eating based on the prehistoric man and liked the logic, but it wasn't called any particular type of diet in that article and I cant even remember the source of the article any more, it was at least a year ago.   

Because it seemed to make real sense, I very loosely adopted the idea of trying to eat more of what I would have found if I was a hunter gatherer ten or more thousand years ago. 

It worked and I lost 10 kg's quite quickly and I felt better - plus that weight has stayed off without any effort, I never tried to eat less (I wasnt even trying to loose weight at the time).

I then later, only out of interest, looked up the "Paleo Diet" and was immediately put off by some guy claiming to have "discovered" it and now its "his" diet!  How's that possible, did he find an ancient recipe book painted on a cave wall and then applied for a patent?  And also there was a very prescriptive list of things that you just couldn't have - it all felt too much like a Cosmo article or fad, or something.  For example peanuts are completely out, according to the "discoverer", because they contain "anti-nutrients"!  Now how did the prehistoric man know that?

I think prehistoric people would have eaten what ever they could find regardless. 

The only question is what would they find?  And how much - ie what proportions of the various food types would make up of their diet?

It makes sense to me that naturally occurring meat, fat, fish, fruit and vegetables would be their main types of food.  They would not find much sugar, or hectares of grain, or extra salt.

So to me its just a case of revising the proportions of the traditional western diet, which has far too much grains, sugar, salt, as well as nasty stuff like hydrogenated oils, and processed food  and slap chips etc. 

You don't have to buy a book, just every time you eat, just rather choose stuff you would have been able to find if you lived 10,000 years ago, and try and keep to the proportions, and meal sizes  they would have found in a normal day.  That's all I've done.

It not difficult to decide what they would have found - eg:
1) Fruit - yes they could pick it off trees
2) Veggies (all types including potatoes etc) - yes when they could find it growing wild
3) Meat - yes if they were good hunters they probably ate a lot of meat
4) Fish - yes same as above
5) Simba chips - no
6) Coke - no
7) Fruit juice - maybe (squashed oranges?)
8) Milk - Maybe?
9) Sugar - no
10) Nuts - yes
11) Eggs - yes
12) Cake - no
13) Pudding - no
14) Bread - no
15) Pasta - no
16) Rice - yes (but how much rice would a prehistoric man bother to pick in a day?)
17) Flour and mielie pap - no
etc
 
I find if I have one good high protein breakfast I don't need to eat again till quite late in the day, nor do I get tired.  Seems to work for me!

I haven't cut out anything completely, still drink beer, still have pasta and the occasional slice of bread, potatoes etc but have very little sugar now, lost the taste for it completely. 

So just by revising the proportions using the above logic (ie by favouring stuff they would have found 10,000 years ago and drastically reducing stuff they wouldnt have), my weight has stayed constant on 77kg when it used to be 87 (plus back then it seemed to be constantly drifting upward - in my case I think sugar, bread and soft drinks were the main culprits).
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Just_Plain_Dan on April 28, 2014, 04:15:11 pm
Can somebody send me the link aswell please
daniel AT centurioncanvas DOT co DOT za :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on April 28, 2014, 06:17:11 pm
I have been on a "paleo diet" for the past 15 years. My grandfather died of diabetes, my dad had diabetes, my mom had a stroke and I sure as shit didn't want to go down that route. After a lot of research, I chanced upon the book Neanderthin.  http://www.amazon.com/Neanderthin-Caveman-Achieve-Strong-Healthy/dp/0312975910 (http://www.amazon.com/Neanderthin-Caveman-Achieve-Strong-Healthy/dp/0312975910)
Basically he says that there have only been a few hundred generations between us and the Neanderthals and we have had very little genetic change in that time. Our genes haven't caught up with the shit we eat. (Basically the same as what Tim is saying).
What he said that made it easier for me was that we should the as if we are in an era that pre-dates fire. We don't have to eat our food raw, but if the food can't be eaten raw, then don't consider it food. This cuts out all the rice, wheat , potatoes..etc. .......just apply the rule.
Also avoid any food that requires technology........soya, oil extraction, fruit juice extraction etc........just apply the rule.
Imagine yourself naked, armed with a stick and a rock in the African savanna.
What are the chances of coming upon a grove of juicy oranges? You may find one occasionally.
There is loads of very very good academic information on the Paleo diet;
http://www.kalahari.com/Books/The-Story-of-the-Human-Body_p_43728340 (http://www.kalahari.com/Books/The-Story-of-the-Human-Body_p_43728340)

http://www.ancestralhealth.org/ (http://www.ancestralhealth.org/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Cordain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Cordain)

http://garytaubes.com/ (http://garytaubes.com/)

http://chriskresser.com/ (http://chriskresser.com/)

http://www.dietdoctor.com/ (http://www.dietdoctor.com/)


This is the diet that humanity ate for millions of years. We can argue about what exactly a paleo diet is because people ate slightly different diets in different parts of the world, but the differences are small.
We sure as hell know what they DIDN'T eat. Cut out those thing for a start.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BoJangels on April 28, 2014, 06:31:04 pm
I wonder if they had butter and cream those days  :peepwall:...the recipes calls for a lot of both  :patch:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Martyn on April 28, 2014, 07:03:42 pm
Link received, Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on April 28, 2014, 08:23:29 pm
I wonder if they had butter and cream those days  :peepwall:...the recipes calls for a lot of both  :patch:

True paleo excludes dairy.
Unless you go live in a cave, you have to adapt.
The thing that is clear is that our ancestors were very keen on fats. They always ate the liver, kidneys, heart, marrow and brains of the amimals they killed.
What isn't clear is how true to this principle modern foods can get.
All animals eaten should be eating their natural foods. Karoo lamb must be as close as you can get.
Grass fed beef also close.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 28, 2014, 09:17:00 pm
I wonder if they had butter and cream those days  :peepwall:...the recipes calls for a lot of both  :patch:

True paleo excludes dairy.
Unless you go live in a cave, you have to adapt.
The thing that is clear is that our ancestors were very keen on fats. They always ate the liver, kidneys, heart, marrow and brains of the amimals they killed.
What isn't clear is how true to this principle modern foods can get.
All animals eaten should be eating their natural foods. Karoo lamb must be as close as you can get.
Grass fed beef also close.

You'all gonna have to skip chicken
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on April 29, 2014, 02:14:30 pm
Can somebody send me the link aswell please.

lnroux@telkomsa.net

Thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: gogo on April 29, 2014, 04:36:30 pm
Seems we are also going on this diet soon. Read through the book, seems quite ok. :)

Less beer, not not beer :o

Let's see what happens ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 29, 2014, 07:52:35 pm
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Heimer on April 29, 2014, 07:55:56 pm
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Hoeveel het jy al opgetel?   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 29, 2014, 08:07:18 pm
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Dankie Garfield.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: HeeBs on April 29, 2014, 08:12:27 pm
Ag I think the idea of this plan is for a few okes, like myself to lose a few kilos. Not to become a newstyle superathlete!

Also bare in mind, when you're dik, you look for anything that can help!\ :biggrin:

Also, whatever kg's get shifted off my ass, can be replaced as extra weight for the bike, like tent, sleeping bag etc.  :thumleft:

Putting my ass + tent and stuff on my poor old XR - Ai tog!, arme ding.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 30, 2014, 01:04:07 am
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on April 30, 2014, 04:34:48 am
Can somebody send me the link aswell please.

lnroux@telkomsa.net

Thanks

Dankie vir julle moeite.  Ek het dit gekry.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 30, 2014, 04:45:24 am
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Interessant!  Jy meen hy verkoop boeke direk?
Sal hou van 'n hard copy. Meer user friendly vir gebruik as rekenaarboek.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on April 30, 2014, 05:46:37 am
What I like about the high protein diet, is you can eat as much as you like, your brain tells you when it's done and that's it - you feel full and not bloated. You don't feel like a diet "victim" with half portions - craving for more. Energy levels are great.

Add exercise and you're feeling Ace.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on April 30, 2014, 07:28:41 am
Send me the link plse  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 30, 2014, 08:44:08 am
What I like about the high protein diet, is you can eat as much as you like, your brain tells you when it's done and that's it - you feel full and not bloated. You don't feel like a diet "victim" with half portions - craving for more. Energy levels are great.

Add exercise and you're feeling Ace.


What is a bit of a mind fuck is that he puts emphasis on the fact that it is NOT a high protein diet but a high FAT diet.

By the sounds of it it should be in line with everything a man could expect from a diet, however highly contradictory with what has been preached on diets over the decades.

But alas, I guess the proof is in the poeding.
I for one am quite amp'd about it.
Dunno if it is the change in eating habits, but I have followed basic principals for the past week, cutting lots of carbs out, not all, and I can say my energy levels are much better than what I am used to lately.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on April 30, 2014, 08:55:53 am
What I like about the high protein diet, is you can eat as much as you like, your brain tells you when it's done and that's it - you feel full and not bloated. You don't feel like a diet "victim" with half portions - craving for more. Energy levels are great.

Add exercise and you're feeling Ace.


What is a bit of a mind fuck is that he puts emphasis on the fact that it is NOT a high protein diet but a high FAT diet.

By the sounds of it it should be in line with everything a man could expect from a diet, however highly contradictory with what has been preached on diets over the decades.

But alas, I guess the proof is in the poeding.
I for one am quite amp'd about it.
Dunno if it is the change in eating habits, but I have followed basic principals for the past week, cutting lots of carbs out, not all, and I can say my energy levels are much better than what I am used to lately.
100%
Speaking of Poeding .... had Strawberries and cream last night with a touch of Xylitol ... magic

Check this out .... http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/KetogenicDiets/a/What-Is-A-Ketogenic-Diet.htm (http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/KetogenicDiets/a/What-Is-A-Ketogenic-Diet.htm)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 30, 2014, 09:38:40 am
I am als 'Noakso'ing for a week already only from the info I got here and lost 3.5kg

Could someone sent me the link as well please?  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 30, 2014, 10:05:08 am
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Interessant!  Jy meen hy verkoop boeke direk?
Sal hou van 'n hard copy. Meer user friendly vir gebruik as rekenaarboek.

kan vir jou en kry as jy wil
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on April 30, 2014, 10:11:38 am
Ag iemand stuur vir my ook asb die link.
Ek Noakes nou al 'n week sonder die regte info.  ::)

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Interessant!  Jy meen hy verkoop boeke direk?
Sal hou van 'n hard copy. Meer user friendly vir gebruik as rekenaarboek.

kan vir jou en kry as jy wil

Ja assamblief! Laat weet wanneer ek kan kom haal by jou en die koste.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: quicksilver on April 30, 2014, 10:32:04 am
I have a quick question, what happens if you follow Tim's diet in terms of Cholesterol. I noticed it is a high fat diet, would this not be bad for cholesterol levels?

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kokkie on April 30, 2014, 10:41:37 am
The link for me please..

riaandekock at hotmail dot com

thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 30, 2014, 01:04:07 pm
I have a quick question, what happens if you follow Tim's diet in terms of Cholesterol. I noticed it is a high fat diet, would this not be bad for cholesterol levels?


the whole cholesterol level thing has been a scam for many years. cholesterol is a good thing. your body needs it. there is no good or bad cholesterol. HDL and LDL are lipo protens carrying cholesterol. small particle LDL is the one that is potentialy bad for you.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 30, 2014, 01:19:10 pm
I have a quick question, what happens if you follow Tim's diet in terms of Cholesterol. I noticed it is a high fat diet, would this not be bad for cholesterol levels?


the whole cholesterol level thing has been a scam for many years. cholesterol is a good thing. your body needs it. there is no good or bad cholesterol. HDL and LDL are lipo protens carrying cholesterol. small particle LDL is the one that is potentialy bad for you.

I would like to hear a medical doctor's comment on this> because when I studied as paramedic they clearly taught us that you get your (I will use normal language here) a balance> there are perimeters for everything like example blood glucose (sugar) that has to be between 4 and 7 for normal and the same goes for cholesterol. I have seen skinny people suffering from cholesterol (working in the  ER and clinic at the time) but confessed that they have bad habbits of using a lot of fat and oil (potato chips, eggs, beacon etc) Sunflower oils if used excessively and higher cholesterol levels will kill you in the end. I have seen blocked arteries and many other cardio vascular diseases caused by excessive build up of fat/cholesterol in the arteries. To me: use your common sense and test yourself and find the golden medium to live a balanced live 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 30, 2014, 02:03:01 pm
Ons gaan vanaand ons "cheat evening" hê.....

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Die famous Pizzaburger! Carbs, carbs, carbs!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: quicksilver on April 30, 2014, 02:12:13 pm
 :laughing4:      :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on April 30, 2014, 02:13:54 pm
At least sal Timmy van my lunch gehou het....

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I think....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 30, 2014, 02:29:23 pm
At least sal Timmy van my lunch gehou het....

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I think....

Solank jy net die helfte van die bun eet.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on April 30, 2014, 03:30:36 pm
I don't see it as a diet.

Diet is wat vet mense doen 2 maande voor hulle beach toe gaan. This is a lifestyle shift.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 30, 2014, 03:34:14 pm
I don't see it as a diet.

Diet is wat vet mense doen 2 maande voor hulle beach toe gaan. This is a lifestyle shift.



+1
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on April 30, 2014, 04:38:50 pm
At least sal Timmy van my lunch gehou het....

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I think....

hierdie lyk nie eers lekker nie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on April 30, 2014, 05:09:44 pm
I am so motivated as can be. No cravings what so ever. I just need more info on the newly found 'lifestyle' :)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on April 30, 2014, 05:42:43 pm
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Raka on April 30, 2014, 09:48:31 pm
My probleem met die hele Neandertal super dieet cum evolusie  teorie is dat die ouens blykbaar nie veel verder as 40 gekom het nie, en nieteenstaande hulle Virgo-active/Planet fittness style shopping spree's in die groter natuurlike savanna decor shopping malls aan die einde toe ( binne hulle target weight zone en BMI natuurlik) tog opgehou het om te bestaan ! MAW n lewens styl en dieet doomed ....al het hulle al die energie en lewenslus gehad om n Springbok flou te hardloop! O0

Moet my asb nie verkeerd verstaan of opneem nie, ek admireer die van julle wat die Noakes ding doen en massa verloor !  :thumleft: Sommige homo sapiens het massa motivering nodig om n leefstyl verandering te onderneem. As dit vir jou werk , goed vir jou.

Ek is bietjie meer waaghalsig in my benadering tot die lewe , sover spys en drank betref , maar glo aan ' moderation' not 'obstication'....ek sukkel nog so bietjie met die Swart Etikette !
 

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on April 30, 2014, 10:27:52 pm
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on April 30, 2014, 10:29:34 pm
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Gebruik die Pure Protein, bly weg van Protein Bars ens.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on April 30, 2014, 10:33:36 pm
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Gebruik die Pure Protein, bly weg van Protein Bars ens.

Nog nie gebruik nie, maar sien die suiker content is lekker laag en die ratio van protein per serving lekker hoog.

So sou dit gebruik. Ek gebruik self Progenex, maar dit werk vir my na al die ander gemors counter producive was
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on April 30, 2014, 10:38:06 pm
My probleem met die hele Neandertal super dieet cum evolusie  teorie is dat die ouens blykbaar nie veel verder as 40 gekom het nie, en nieteenstaande hulle Virgo-active/Planet fittness style shopping spree's in die groter natuurlike savanna decor shopping malls aan die einde toe ( binne hulle target weight zone en BMI natuurlik) tog opgehou het om te bestaan ! MAW n lewens styl en dieet doomed ....al het hulle al die energie en lewenslus gehad om n Springbok flou te hardloop! O0

Moet my asb nie verkeerd verstaan of opneem nie, ek admireer die van julle wat die Noakes ding doen en massa verloor !  :thumleft: Sommige homo sapiens het massa motivering nodig om n leefstyl verandering te onderneem. As dit vir jou werk , goed vir jou.

Ek is bietjie meer waaghalsig in my benadering tot die lewe , sover spys en drank betref , maar glo aan ' moderation' not 'obstication'....ek sukkel nog so bietjie met die Swart Etikette !
 


Ja maargat, lekker grootbek in daai size 32 van jou né.
En dan eet jy boonop ook net Zamaleks.... gmff!
Ek kyk net vir 'n bier dan hol my skaal en kruip onder die boekrak met die dieët boeke weg.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 01, 2014, 06:08:26 am
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Daardie spesefieke shames word gemaak om in te pas by hoë protein dieet met lae suiker. Sal nie iets aanbeveel as ek nie gelees het wat dit bevat nie. Eet jy maar die chocolate, coke en n pie, ek sal bly by die shake. Dit is spesefiek geformuleer vir gewigsverlies en word genoem Diet fuel ultralean.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Jag man on May 01, 2014, 06:21:15 am
I have never been fond of pasta, bread,etc. , and I could feel that it was not good for me. Always ate fat, dairy, and I am slow in picking up weight, considering that I eat a lot of sugar.

Listen to your body.
All this reading and the only thing that makes sense is ( listern to your body ) It's say more beer to me .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 01, 2014, 06:29:52 am
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Daardie spesefieke shames word gemaak om in te pas by hoë protein dieet met lae suiker. Sal nie iets aanbeveel as ek nie gelees het wat dit bevat nie. Eet jy maar die chocolate, coke en n pie, ek sal bly by die shake. Dit is spesefiek geformuleer vir gewigsverlies en word genoem Diet fuel ultralean.

Liewe hemel maar jy is vinnig uit die blokke. Relax tog asb. so bietjie..

Nie gesê jy gebruik die verkeerde shake nie, net gesê mense moet uitkyk vir die suiker content van daai shakes.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 01, 2014, 06:36:10 am
Quote
Liewe hemel maar jy is vinnig uit die blokke. Relax tog asb. so bietjie..

Nie gesê jy gebruik die verkeerde shake nie, net gesê mense moet uitkyk vir die suiker content van daai shakes.
??
Waarvan praat jy?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 01, 2014, 06:52:03 am
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Daardie spesefieke shames word gemaak om in te pas by hoë protein dieet met lae suiker. Sal nie iets aanbeveel as ek nie gelees het wat dit bevat nie. Eet jy maar die chocolate, coke en n pie, ek sal bly by die shake. Dit is spesefiek geformuleer vir gewigsverlies en word genoem Diet fuel ultralean.

Liewe hemel maar jy is vinnig uit die blokke. Relax tog asb. so bietjie..

Nie gesê jy gebruik die verkeerde shake nie, net gesê mense moet uitkyk vir die suiker content van daai shakes.


Quote
Liewe hemel maar jy is vinnig uit die blokke. Relax tog asb. so bietjie..

Nie gesê jy gebruik die verkeerde shake nie, net gesê mense moet uitkyk vir die suiker content van daai shakes.
??
Waarvan praat jy?

Jy kom oor asof ek jou aangevat het op shake keuse.



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 01, 2014, 07:01:29 am
Ek gaan nie eens reageer nie. Jy is die een wat moet ontspan.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 01, 2014, 07:07:35 am
Ek gaan nie eens reageer nie. Jy is die een wat moet ontspan.



Is reg so meester :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 01, 2014, 07:41:02 am
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Daardie spesefieke shames word gemaak om in te pas by hoë protein dieet met lae suiker. Sal nie iets aanbeveel as ek nie gelees het wat dit bevat nie. Eet jy maar die chocolate, coke en n pie, ek sal bly by die shake. Dit is spesefiek geformuleer vir gewigsverlies en word genoem Diet fuel ultralean.

Hi Dewie wat is die carbs in daai shake, ek het dieselfde gedoen tot ek gesien het dit bevat suiker en carbs wat die hele object defy?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Knucklhead on May 01, 2014, 07:59:42 am
Veltie , hav had the patience to read all pages, have u got the diet u can mail to me ? Thanks Kenne01@vwsa.co.za
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on May 01, 2014, 08:13:00 am
But Knuckl, it should all be there from page 58?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 01, 2014, 08:23:40 am
Ek dog brandewyn maak mens agressief. Lyk my party shakes ook.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 01, 2014, 08:59:12 am
I have been following this diet for some time now, but I combine it with a protein shake to substitute certain meals. Mof suggested this some time ago and he has lost lots of weight using it. I use it as a meal replacement when I cannot have a proper carb free meal. Have tested both Evox and USN and like the USN more. It is quite a thick suspension and easily lasts me from one meal to the next without any hunger pangs.

Maak net seker wat is jou carb /sugar content op daai shakes.

Baie van die USN / generiese produkte wat jy sommer in die Spar koop is maar 'n zero sum game en kan net sowel 'n slab chocolate coke en 'n pie eet



Daardie spesefieke shames word gemaak om in te pas by hoë protein dieet met lae suiker. Sal nie iets aanbeveel as ek nie gelees het wat dit bevat nie. Eet jy maar die chocolate, coke en n pie, ek sal bly by die shake. Dit is spesefiek geformuleer vir gewigsverlies en word genoem Diet fuel ultralean.

Hi Dewie wat is die carbs in daai shake, ek het dieselfde gedoen tot ek gesien het dit bevat suiker en carbs wat die hele object defy?

Van wat ek kan sien is dit redelik laag vir so tipe supplement.
Goed geprys ook.


http://www.supplementworld.co.za/usn-diet-fuel.html (http://www.supplementworld.co.za/usn-diet-fuel.html)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 01, 2014, 10:24:20 pm
Ek dog brandewyn maak mens agressief. Lyk my party shakes ook.
This is VERY clever!
I laughed out aloud...
I was thinking this, then you wrote it...!
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 01, 2014, 10:35:37 pm
I started a 'lite' version of his diet (Noakes) about a year back, after finishing his book: Challenging Beliefs', which had just one chapter on carb-reduction, etc.

Then, Easter Friday, bought the book, and Easter Monday, started the eating plan (not diet), with very good results so far.

Flatulence and Hertburn almost totally absent, which is a win.
I do feel like I have more energy, though it's early days...
Weight has dropped, and I truly feel full/satiated after a high-fat, low carb meal.
Cudos to the man for doing a 100-degree about turn, changing his beliefs.
I met him some years ago, and even then he was quietly against the whole idea of 'Sports Drinks', or rather how they were being forced down our throats when Coke (and all it's sugar) was public enemy No.1 - didn't take a rocket-scientist to see that the same company with then-out-of-favour Coke came up with......Powerade (and it's competitors, Energade, etc) to substitute for Coke at sporting events..
Cheers
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 01, 2014, 11:00:11 pm
Wie het gesê jy kan nie jou shake aanmaak met brandewyn nie?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 02, 2014, 07:08:51 am
Ek het net 3.5 in n week verloor en lyk of ek soortvan stabiliseer nou maar ek het ook gladnie meer sooibrand nie! Het altyd rennies in die sak maar n week laas een gesuig!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bernoulli on May 02, 2014, 09:20:42 am

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Bomber
Sal dit baie waardeer as ek 'n kopie van die boek kan kry. Laat weet asb. dan kom haal ek in Melkbos.
Dankie
Bernoulli
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fred4stroke on May 02, 2014, 01:23:56 pm
Do anyone have experience with this eating plan during endurance sport events like Ironman and mountain bike stage races?

What can you eat and drink and how often during exercising?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 03, 2014, 12:12:44 pm
Do anyone have experience with this eating plan during endurance sport events like Ironman and mountain bike stage races?

What can you eat and drink and how often during exercising?
From what I've read up on the subject,  you can pretty much eat whatever you like during training or excercise as it hs no effect on your insulin levels at all. Just revert back to lchf after the excercise.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on May 03, 2014, 01:54:31 pm
Do anyone have experience with this eating plan during endurance sport events like Ironman and mountain bike stage races?

What can you eat and drink and how often during exercising?

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/podcast-11-paleoista-with-nell-stephenson/ (http://www.bulletproofexec.com/podcast-11-paleoista-with-nell-stephenson/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Pure-orange on May 04, 2014, 06:03:56 pm
Please forward me the link... jakubowskimp@gmail.com
Thank you..
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 04, 2014, 07:04:56 pm

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Bomber
Sal dit baie waardeer as ek 'n kopie van die boek kan kry. Laat weet asb. dan kom haal ek in Melkbos.
Dankie
Bernoulli
Ok ek het my vrou gevra om uit te vind ...sal laat weet
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bernoulli on May 05, 2014, 08:14:21 am

Hey DR, die chef wat die resepte gedoen het woon hier in Melkbos. My vrou kry die boek direk by hom...

Bomber
Sal dit baie waardeer as ek 'n kopie van die boek kan kry. Laat weet asb. dan kom haal ek in Melkbos.
Dankie
Bernoulli
Ok ek het my vrou gevra om uit te vind ...sal laat weet
:thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on May 05, 2014, 03:49:19 pm
The VERY IMPORTANT thing to remember with this diet is to make sure that you get enough fibre.

Just eating meat and fat and stuff leads to severe constipation.


Spent half of last night at the emergency room on a drip for pain meds and anti-spasmodics. Then a double-enema. I feel violated.


Worst was having to drive the 6 hours back to work in Lesotho. There are no decent clean bogs on the way.

fibre fibre  fibre....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 05, 2014, 03:55:46 pm
Eish mr Zog!!  :o :o

Can somebody please sent me the link: tomdotmcsherry!yahoo.co.uk

Remember to put a . where the dot is  ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 05, 2014, 03:57:22 pm
Anyway, I lost only 3.5kg so far but at least 2 cm around the waist! Even noticeable to people at work....and that by only eating protein and fruit. I just stopped eating starch
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on May 05, 2014, 04:44:35 pm
The VERY IMPORTANT thing to remember with this diet is to make sure that you get enough fibre.

Just eating meat and fat and stuff leads to severe constipation.


Spent half of last night at the emergency room on a drip for pain meds and anti-spasmodics. Then a double-enema. I feel violated.


Worst was having to drive the 6 hours back to work in Lesotho. There are no decent clean bogs on the way.

fibre fibre  fibre....

Supposedly it's more a problem of Magnesium rather than fiber.

http://robbwolf.com/2011/03/01/the-paleo-solution-episode-69/ (http://robbwolf.com/2011/03/01/the-paleo-solution-episode-69/)

http://robbwolf.com/wp//wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Episode-113.pdf (http://robbwolf.com/wp//wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Episode-113.pdf)



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on May 05, 2014, 06:12:34 pm
Just wondering if eating cream pies is bad for you? It's all protein?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: windswept on May 05, 2014, 09:07:26 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 05, 2014, 09:11:09 pm
Yes you can have nuts par peanuts and cashews.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 05, 2014, 10:13:52 pm
Eish mr Zog!!  :o :o

Can somebody please sent me the link: tomdotmcsherry!yahoo.co.uk

Remember to put a . where the dot is  ;)
And I think you will need also to substitute the ! With an @, surely ?!
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: windswept on May 05, 2014, 10:17:31 pm
Yes you can have nuts par peanuts and cashews.

DR what does the par mean?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Duitsman on May 05, 2014, 10:32:28 pm
Ek wil al vir 'n week tyd maak vir die fred...
Het nou net klaar gemaak met die 14de blad en is nou hooked en entertained  ;D
Begin more my lifestyle change.

Kan iemand my die link ook stuur asb - wvermaak@084.co.za

Lekke manne

 :ricky:


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mikie on May 06, 2014, 07:19:25 am
What is this forum coming to?? A bunch of slender bikers, all drinking tea on a saturday afternoon  :o

Kilroy, are you on this diet?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on May 06, 2014, 07:25:51 am
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

Eish, ek weet waarvan jy praat.  Ek mis nogsteeds my broodjie, maar die skaal is my aansporing.  Sterkte.  Dit raak so bietjie beter. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on May 06, 2014, 07:36:03 am
Yes you can have nuts par peanuts and cashews.

Peanuts are actually legumes so aren't allowed.
Cashews are packaged in nature in a really toxic outer skin, so may not be really paleo, but I eat them a bit.
Macadamia nuts seem to be the best.

http://thepaleodiet.com/nut-fatty-acid-composition/ (http://thepaleodiet.com/nut-fatty-acid-composition/)
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/paleo-diet-food-list/ (http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/paleo-diet-food-list/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 06, 2014, 07:36:36 am
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

Eish, ek weet waarvan jy praat.  Ek mis nogsteeds my broodjie, maar die skaal is my aansporing.  Sterkte.  Dit raak so bietjie beter. 


Daar is baie lekker brood resepte wat amandel en coconut meel gebruik onder andere. Google net 'paleo bread recipes' dan kom daar klomp op

Eidt: lelike tik fout gewees daai. Hoop nie julle het dit gegoogle nie  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 06, 2014, 08:25:20 am
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

Eish, ek weet waarvan jy praat.  Ek mis nogsteeds my broodjie, maar die skaal is my aansporing.  Sterkte.  Dit raak so bietjie beter.  


Daar is baie lekker brood resepte wat amandel en coconut meel gebruik onder andere. Google net 'paleo bread recipes' dan kom daar klomp op

Eidt: lelike tik fout gewees daai. Hoop nie julle het dit gegoogle nie  :lol8:

Maak net seker jy maak nie die resepte wat heuning of suiker in het nie - die TN Eating Plan = geen suiker in watter vorm ookal

PS: My wive and I have been on this no carb no sugar eating plan since 9 days ago, she has lost 2kg already.  However, I have not lost a single gram, but my belt is 2 holes smaller.... don't know if this is possible  ???  The upside is, I'm already feeling alot better and my chronic heartburn is gone, which is already more than enough reason for me to keep bread, rice, potatoes and pasta out of my system.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 06, 2014, 08:31:38 am
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

Eish, ek weet waarvan jy praat.  Ek mis nogsteeds my broodjie, maar die skaal is my aansporing.  Sterkte.  Dit raak so bietjie beter. 


Daar is baie lekker brood resepte wat amandel en coconut meel gebruik onder andere. Google net 'paleo bread recipes' dan kom daar klomp op

Eidt: lelike tik fout gewees daai. Hoop nie julle het dit gegoogle nie  :lol8:

Maak net seker jy maak nie die resepte wat heuning of suiker in het nie - die TN Eating Plan = geen suiker in watter vorm ookal

Ek dink persoonlik nie mens moet so anaal oor die storie wees nie. Ek mik vir 90/10 maar eks happy met 80/20. Die lewe is te kort om nie so nou en dan iets te geniet wat nie goed is vir jou nie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 06, 2014, 08:33:34 am
For a proper 'paleo diet' you will need to eat some insects as welll  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 06, 2014, 08:38:36 am
For a proper 'paleo diet' you will need to eat some insects as welll  :peepwall:

I get those by opening my visor and opening my mouth as wide as possible @ 160km/h early in the morning  haha
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on May 06, 2014, 08:45:24 am
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 06, 2014, 08:49:41 am
For a proper 'paleo diet' you will need to eat some insects as welll  :peepwall:

I get those by opening my visor and opening my mouth as wide as possible @ 160km/h early in the morning  haha
:laughing4:

Its the omega 3 fatty acids in the insects that are good for you. If you have 'pasture chickens', i.e. garden scratchers that eat a lot of insects, their eggs are full of omega 3. They also don't have those pale yellow yolks you get in supermarket eggs  :puke_r: :puke_l:

http://authoritynutrition.com/pastured-vs-omega-3-vs-conventional-eggs/ (http://authoritynutrition.com/pastured-vs-omega-3-vs-conventional-eggs/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 06, 2014, 09:34:56 am
Yes you can have nuts par peanuts and cashews.

DR what does the par mean?

Dit beteken jy mag dit nie eet nie.

except.

So yet another excuse to leave the urine infected peanuts on bar counters for the those with impaired judgement. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on May 06, 2014, 10:47:08 am
Ek wil al vir 'n week tyd maak vir die fred...
Het nou net klaar gemaak met die 14de blad en is nou hooked en entertained  ;D
Begin more my lifestyle change.

Kan iemand my die link ook stuur asb - wvermaak@084.co.za

Lekke manne

 :ricky:



Die link is ewe skielik "ge-disable" vir "security reasons".
Iemand het dalk gebitch... ::)
Ek's seker maar in die k@k.
Dalk kan iemand anders vir 'n slag aanstuur seblief.
My bandwydte kreun hoeka.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on May 06, 2014, 10:56:28 am
Ek sal die volgende paar requests aanstuur vir "The real meal revolution". So 20mb in pdf format.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on May 06, 2014, 11:58:27 am
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93571768/The%20Real%20Meal%20Revolution.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93571768/The%20Real%20Meal%20Revolution.pdf)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alanB on May 06, 2014, 12:36:30 pm
Yes you can have nuts par peanuts and cashews.

Peanuts are actually legumes so aren't allowed.
Cashews are packaged in nature in a really toxic outer skin, so may not be really paleo, but I eat them a bit.
Macadamia nuts seem to be the best.

http://thepaleodiet.com/nut-fatty-acid-composition/ (http://thepaleodiet.com/nut-fatty-acid-composition/)
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/paleo-diet-food-list/ (http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/paleo-diet-food-list/)


Ja Look, this where I find it hard to remain convinced about the "official paleo diet" author's credibility.  Does he honestly believe our ancestors would not have eaten a peanut if they found one "because it was a legume and contained anti-nutrients"?

I agree with the overall logic of this whole thing (ie its best for modern humans to eat the same sort of meal as our species has eaten as it evolved over most of its existence) and have adopted it myself, with good results, but stuff like this makes me skeptical of worrying too much about the detailed list of what you can and cannot eat according to some guy's book.  The logic has to hold, and not be selectively applied.

I think if you were forced to hunt/fish and scratch around in the dirt every day for food, the way hunter gatherers had to, you would eat what ever you could find.  The question then about would have made up their diet back then has absolutely nothing to do with some modern day guy's dislike of legumes, and everything to do with what food could be found easily in nature back then, and in what proportions. 

If you were a good hunter/fisherman living in an area with abundant wildlife, then I think you would have have access to a fair amount of meat/fish and some fruit and vegetables.  The real question to me is how much fruit and vegetables?  There wouldn't be orchards of fruit, nor gardens of vegetables, and once you ate the fruit off a tree you would have to find another that had ripe fruit (or at least ripe enough to pick and store), same goes for vegetables, how far would you have to walk to find that?  So what proportions would one eat then in those circumstances?

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 06, 2014, 01:55:04 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:

Are you sure?

Seems that the Macadamia (roasted and salted) has the least amount of carbs and sugars..

http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549 (http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549)

At R37 a packet ridiculously expensive thought...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: IceCreamMan on May 06, 2014, 02:07:27 pm
What is this forum coming to?? A bunch of slender bikers, all drinking tea on a saturday afternoon  :o

Kilroy, are you on this diet?

Are you insinuating he should be?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 06, 2014, 02:08:07 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:

Are you sure?

Seems that the Macadamia (roasted and salted) has the least amount of carbs and sugars..

http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549 (http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549)

At R37 a packet ridiculously expensive thought...

Rather roast your own. I regularly do it and also cut down on the salt...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 06, 2014, 02:33:20 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:

Are you sure?

Seems that the Macadamia (roasted and salted) has the least amount of carbs and sugars..

http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549 (http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549)

At R37 a packet ridiculously expensive thought...

Rather roast your own. I regularly do it and also cut down on the salt...

How would i go about doing that?

Just pop them in the oven?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mikie on May 06, 2014, 02:51:04 pm
What is this forum coming to?? A bunch of slender bikers, all drinking tea on a saturday afternoon  :o

Kilroy, are you on this diet?

Are you insinuating he should be?

Are you?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 06, 2014, 03:38:56 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:

Are you sure?

Seems that the Macadamia (roasted and salted) has the least amount of carbs and sugars..

http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549 (http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549)

At R37 a packet ridiculously expensive thought...

Rather roast your own. I regularly do it and also cut down on the salt...

How would i go about doing that?

Just pop them in the oven?

No just fry them dry in a pan. No oil... they will get nice colour . dont overcrowd the pan. just toss them every now and then. i do almonds as welll

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on May 06, 2014, 04:49:42 pm
Are nuts allowed on this diet? I eat plenty as snacks during the day. Tree nuts and ground nuts. I stopped eating bread two days ago, when I went into SPAR today almost cried when going past the fresh rolls.

If you're going to eat nuts then go for raw Almonds rather, they are the healthier option  :thumleft:

I've started on this eating plan again but trying not to be too anal about it. I've cut out most sugars, breads, pasta's and potato's (starches) but I'm still eating fruit & nuts as snacks (max 2 apples per day). Dropped 1.5kg's already and feeling great  :thumleft:

Are you sure?

Seems that the Macadamia (roasted and salted) has the least amount of carbs and sugars..

http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549 (http://www.woolworths.co.za/store/cat?N=4294954549)

At R37 a packet ridiculously expensive thought...

Yes, besides reading it elsewhere, I googled this quickly:

A handful of nuts every day can lower your heart-disease risk by a third, chop your Alzheimer's risk by two-thirds, and help you slim down. We pitted the Elite Eight of nuts (coaches' poll) against one another in three categories to determine the best nut of all.

 (Winners based on ounce-by-ounce comparison of dry-roasted, unsalted nuts.)

ROUND 1: MONO MADNESS
Winners were based on monounsaturated-fat content, the heart-healthy fats that help lower your total and LDL (bad) cholesterol levels, while raising levels of HDL (good) cholesterol.

 

BRAZIL 6.5 grams (g) mono fats

v. MACADAMIA 16.8 g mono fats

PISTACHIO 6.9 g mono fats

v. ALMOND 9.5 g mono fats

WALNUT 2.5 g mono fats

v. PECAN 12.5 g mono fats

PEANUT 7 g mono fats

v. CASHEW 7.7 g mono fats

 

ROUND 2: PROTEIN PUNCH
You need protein to help you get lean, pack on muscle, or fight off an afternoon slump at work.

 

MACADAMIA 2.2 g protein v. ALMOND 6.3 g protein

PECAN 2.7 g protein v. CASHEW 4.3 g protein

 

ROUND 3: VITAMIN VITALITY
The best nuts are like multivitamins. An ounce of almonds provides half the vitamin E you need daily, 8 percent of the calcium, and 19 percent of the magnesium. These nutrients lower your risk of heart attack and improve your bone strength.

 

ALMOND 7.5 milligrams (mg) vitamin E, 75 mg calcium, 81 mg magnesium, 211 mg potassium

v.

CASHEW 0.2 milligrams vitamin E, 13 mg calcium, 74 mg magnesium, 160 mg potassium

 

AND THE NUT CHAMPION IS . . . ALMOND!

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dewie on May 07, 2014, 10:01:47 am
Thanks Buff  :thumleft:

Love the amount of protein in the almonds, that on its; own almost makes it worthwhile to use as the snack of choice  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 07, 2014, 10:52:05 am
my fave snack is plain greek yoghurt, home roasted almonds, with some goji berries. The berries keep you very full
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: windswept on May 07, 2014, 01:08:42 pm
Thanks for all the info and advice on the nut question.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Greystoke on May 07, 2014, 06:49:29 pm
Hi Dogs,
The wife and I are also on this diet, eating plan, lifestyle changing plan, and I must confess, i am struggling without my "soetproppie" after dinner and any sort of sweet indulgence!!! Which affordable suggestions do have?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 07, 2014, 07:08:06 pm
Try getting some dark chocolate, like Lindt intense, then have a square or 2 of that
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: gogo on May 09, 2014, 03:58:12 pm
Waiting for the book and to stock up with the "new" groceries.... :thumleft:
Then will see if it works for me/us !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Motties on May 09, 2014, 05:31:50 pm
Started on Monday, must say that my normal cravings for crisps and bread are gone. Food in this book is so good it feels like cheating. Will weigh myself on monday to see what's what - have plenty to lose.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on May 09, 2014, 06:08:51 pm
Well I don't know if I am losing weight or not, have no scale, but the Netcare 911 crowd set up at the airport today doing free screenings and a bit of a promotional thing.
I have always had high cholesterol and sugar has been slowly creeping up with age, let them poke and prod and both my blood sugar and cholesterol are down into the normal range.  :biggrin:
I also sleep a lot better at night.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on May 09, 2014, 06:54:16 pm
Two and a half weeks in, no sugar and carbs. I started at 88kg and now 83kg :)

The only things I can not find here in Dubai is Almond/coconut flour and Psyllium husks. Does any one know where to buy this in Pretoria? Can always get my sister to buy some for my next Jo'burg layover...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wayne on May 09, 2014, 07:34:55 pm
Try getting some dark chocolate, like Lindt intense, then have a square or 2 of that

Dark chocolate is my downfall. A square or 2 ain't gonna do it for me. LOL


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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Greystoke on May 10, 2014, 08:17:48 am
Kneeslider, how long have you been on the plan? I also do not need to lose weight but my cholesterol and sugar also seems to be increasing with age! Wayne, the two squares of dark choc also doesn't really still my craving, so if you come up with something else, please let me know :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on May 10, 2014, 09:08:38 am
Hi Greystoke, been on it about a month, not hectic, no strict regime, I reckon about 80/20, I don't touch rice or bread or pasta, but I do enjoy a packet of simba chips now and again, and I do drink the occasional can of cold drink, my biggest downfall is a few cold beers in the garage while I am tinkering on the bike, once a week, but I am not going to get all nazi about it, then it becomes a diet, not a shift in eating pattern.
I recon as the weeks go by, you automatically adjust more and more leaving out the bad and incorporating the good.
I don't make special meals or buy special ingredients, can't afford it, the family cook and eat as normal, and I just leave the rice or potatoes off my plate.
It really is no big deal or effort if approached sensibly.
Don't get me wrong, I need to loose a ton of weight, a GS1200 would cower in the corner if I walked into the garage.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Greystoke on May 10, 2014, 09:15:31 am
Thanks for the feedback kneeslider! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on May 13, 2014, 05:54:46 am
Ok, so here is the deal, forget what the "experts" and the fundis say and the million page reports and observations say, forget the you tube vids and the specialist opinions.
The thing that knows for sue, without a doubt is your very own body, and it will tell you, in no uncertain terms, what is good and what is bad for it.

Last night, after a month and a bit, the temptation was just too great, and the resolve was weak, and I caved in and had 3 slices of bread, with cheese and tomato.  :biggrin:
After all, it is a life style change not a strict nazi regime, so how bad can a few slices of bread once a month be?
Well this morning I woke up at 5am with a killer headache, that I can not attribute to anything else.
Not doing that again.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 13, 2014, 06:53:19 am
+1, I learned to listen to my body,  and it likes this eating style.  I have lost a lot af weight already,  my blood pressure is down to where I will drop the medication very soon and my energy levels are what I had in my 30's. I am sticking to this eating plan till my body tells otherwise :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 13, 2014, 07:43:36 am
Almost 3 weeks now, not lost a single Kg (But then again I'm addicted to milk so still downed about 2l/per day  ::)) During the last week I've also cut out all milk and although not down on the kg,s I've already dropped two pant sizes.  The best is that the heartburn is gone, previously I could only sniff redwine and then have acid reflux for days, NOW I can have a bottle without any burn - which is awesome!!!!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 20, 2014, 07:28:55 am
http://www.thegatsby.co.za/2013/02/26/noakes-bust-in-sordid-hotel-room-pizza-bender/ (http://www.thegatsby.co.za/2013/02/26/noakes-bust-in-sordid-hotel-room-pizza-bender/)


CAPE TOWN – World-renowned anti carbohydrate crusader Professor Tim Noakes has been caught after allegedly going on a debauched pizza bender at a hotel room in Newlands. Police say a cheese-covered Noakes – who has long championed a controversial low-carb high-fat diet – was found with the remains of an estimated 27 thin base and 19 deep dish pizzas in a suite at the exclusive Vineyard Hotel last night. Staff said guests had complained about “depraved grunting noises” coming from Noakes’ room just before midnight and that police had managed to gain entry only after posing as Butler’s deliverymen. Officers reportedly discovered him writhing naked on a pile of empty pizza boxes and half-eaten crusts strewn on the floor.

Meanwhile a source at popular Newlands eatery Panarotti’s confirmed that Noakes was a regular customer and that “he likes them exotic”, backing initial forensic reports that pizza remains at the scene appeared to be mostly Mexican, Hawaiian and Cajun in origin. Another source at Morituri Pizzeria in Claremont said that Noakes often wore disguises when purchasing pizzas and that he was “into pain”, often ordering extra chilli, “even with a Mexicana.” Noakes, who reportedly still had strings of Mozzarella cheese in his hair, was escorted from the hotel by his wife after police filed a report. Investigators have said they will revisit a previously unsolved case dating back to 2006, when a muffin and croissant display at the Wanderers Protea Hotel was decimated by an unknown person, allegedly while Noakes was staying there over the same period.



  :imaposer::peepwall: sorry guys , I will remove it if it offends someone , its not mean badly .  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 20, 2014, 07:34:50 am
Hahahaha. That article first appeared on April fools day. Love it!!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Magnum on May 20, 2014, 08:38:41 am
The VERY IMPORTANT thing to remember with this diet is to make sure that you get enough fibre.

Just eating meat and fat and stuff leads to severe constipation.

Spent half of last night at the emergency room on a drip for pain meds and anti-spasmodics. Then a double-enema. I feel violated.

Worst was having to drive the 6 hours back to work in Lesotho. There are no decent clean bogs on the way.

fibre fibre  fibre....

You are not following the diet properly. You need to eat much more fat until it dribbles out your arse. You will never suffer constipation again. Look changing your butchery and get him to cut your biltong with much more white meat.

J-Dog, like your comment about the cream pies, as long as you are only eating what you baked.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on May 20, 2014, 08:48:51 am
This debate happened at the Franschoek Literary Festival. Must have been good.

It was recorded so there is a pod-cast somewhere. Please post here if found.

Saturday 17 May
Chewing the Fat
11:30 AM – 12:30 PM (New School Hall)
Dennis Davis presides over the guru of high-fat Banting, Tim Noakes (The Real Meal Revolution) and the professor who refutes the whole idea of banning carbohydrates, Lionel Opie (Living Longer, Living Better) in a debate between hotly contested scientific positions.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BV on May 20, 2014, 09:19:30 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: milesd on May 20, 2014, 09:33:12 am
For a sweet craving after dinner, i take a spoonful of peanut butter...the one without sugar added. Seems to work.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on May 20, 2014, 09:50:19 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

 :-\

Wish there was an official report by the dr.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 20, 2014, 09:54:25 am
For a sweet craving after dinner, i take a spoonful of peanut butter...the one without sugar added. Seems to work.

Peanuts are on the red list of foods. You can then just as well take a candy bar. Peanuts contain very high calories.

BV, I wonder if 12:14 is not the ratio of all people on the 'diet' - at least the people I mingle with. Not doing it right will likely imho lead to lower energy levels than what is needed for a marathon (assuming Sani2C is a marathon - I am unfamiliar with the term/name, mainly because I do not run unless being chased by a dangerous thing). I would think the eating plan/habits will have to be adjusted for high energy activities.

Yes, I am very pro this eating style. My body tells me its right. I am energetic, feel great, healthy and lost 10Kg's in 8 weeks. I was regularly subjected to gout, sinus, allergies, heartburn etc. None of that since I changed my eating habits; and yes I still drink my red wine every evening before dinner. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 20, 2014, 09:56:02 am
For a sweet craving after dinner, i take a spoonful of peanut butter...the one without sugar added. Seems to work.

Peanuts are on the red list of foods. You can then just as well take a candy bar. Peanuts contain very high calories.

BV, I wonder if 12:14 is not the ratio of all people on the 'diet' - at least the people I mingle with. Not doing it right will likely imho lead to lower energy levels than what is needed for a marathon (assuming Sani2C is a marathon - I am unfamiliar with the term/name, mainly because I do not run unless being chased by a dangerous thing). I would think the eating plan/habits will have to be adjusted for high energy activities.

Yes, I am very pro this eating style. My body tells me its right. I am energetic, feel great, healthy and lost 10Kg's in 8 weeks. I was regularly subjected to gout, sinus, allergies, heartburn etc. None of that since I changed my eating habits; and yes I still drink my red wine every evening before dinner. :thumleft:

+1
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: AntonW on May 20, 2014, 10:00:45 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

The fact that they were on the diet does not mean that it was the cause of them being in the Medic tent, it only shows that Tim Noakes has a strong voice among atheletes.

Why would they be on a drip? dehydrated? heat exhaustion? or insuring that the doctor has an easy access to a vein if needed.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on May 20, 2014, 10:01:09 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

If you do an endurance event, you need to supplement you body with carbs.
You cannot rely on just burning fat for energy..............especially if you are fit and
dont carry a lot of fat to start off with.

You need to have experience with such events to understand it.  ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alanB on May 20, 2014, 10:02:37 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

Dehydration surely has nothing to do with your diet?

It just means you didn't drink enough water.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on May 20, 2014, 10:06:07 am
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

If you do an endurance event, you need to supplement you body with carbs.
You cannot rely on just burning fat for energy..............especially if you are fit and
dont carry a lot of fat to start off with.

You need to have experience with such events to understand it.  ;)

There is a low carb researcher doing experiments on himself, documenting his findings on a blog. I'll go search for the link later.

Anyway, he has done many fasts followed by endurance events, mainly cycling. After the body adapts, there is no fall in performance or any danger. What most people don't realise, is that there is a adaptation period before your body will function optimally, they are too hasty.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BV on May 20, 2014, 10:10:03 am
Guy's. I am an absolute idiot when it comes to diets.
It is just something he mentioned.
His exact words where that sometimes your body needs everything it can get.
Especialy when you are a athlete.
Again.
I know nothing of diets. Not the noaks diet, or any other for that matter.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 20, 2014, 10:13:21 am
Another interesting thing: I myself think of dropping my hypertension medicine shortly as I monitor my blood pressure regularly, and it keeps on dropping since I started banting. I even have lately skipped the medics every second day, and blood pressure remain unaffected at 125/80. Two months ago it remained on full meds at 135/90.  I'm checking this out and will obviously consult a doctor, but; are any of you people banting out there experience similar changes?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 20, 2014, 10:19:45 am
The really clever people who have studied this since the 70's say that you can take in carbs during exercise and it will have no effect on insulin levels, which is actually what this way of eating is all about. Before and after exercise, stay with Banting.

People also mistake Banting as meat and fat only, when the books tell us to consume lots of veg too. You can have a lot of veg and still be low carb.

Another thing is that your body needs to take some time to adapt to this way of eating and burning fat as fuel. So to take on an event like Sani2C too early is crazy. Your body can produce its own glucose from protein and fat, it's just a bit slower, which is why high intensity exercises (over 80%) are initially more difficult.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on May 20, 2014, 10:24:45 am
Another interesting thing: I myself think of dropping my hypertension medicine shortly as I monitor my blood pressure regularly, and it keeps on dropping since I started banting. I even have lately skipped the medics every second day, and blood pressure remain unaffected at 125/80. Two months ago it remained on full meds at 135/90.  I'm checking this out and will obviously consult a doctor, but; are any of you people banting out there experience similar changes?

Same here, if I do take BP meds now, I end up feeling very kak.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 20, 2014, 10:29:43 am
I also asked for the link, and it was sent but for some reason did not work. So I continued with 'what I think' I should eat and guess what? I have only lost 5kg since the start but lost probably 3+cm around my waist. This morning pulled on my biker trousers without unbuttoning it!
So I guess I sort of understand and it works, believe you me! Best is; I don't feel so tired anymore (honestly)  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 20, 2014, 10:31:29 am
We are what we eat.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 20, 2014, 10:42:41 am
The What to eat and what not list

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hycr305ltvenb51/Fairlady%20Lose%20it%21_April%202014.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hycr305ltvenb51/Fairlady%20Lose%20it%21_April%202014.pdf)

From the Lose It magazine, April 2014.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 20, 2014, 10:43:27 am
The What to eat and what not list

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hycr305ltvenb51/Fairlady%20Lose%20it%21_April%202014.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hycr305ltvenb51/Fairlady%20Lose%20it%21_April%202014.pdf)

From the Lose It magazine, April 2014.

Baie dankie!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: sweerhe on May 20, 2014, 11:16:04 am
Two and a half weeks in, no sugar and carbs. I started at 88kg and now 83kg :)

The only things I can not find here in Dubai is Almond/coconut flour and Psyllium husks. Does any one know where to buy this in Pretoria? Can always get my sister to buy some for my next Jo'burg layover...

You are sure to find it at :

Natural Life Health Shop & Deli - The Shop is between Samsung and Woolworths on the first floor
Brooklyn Mall (Pta)
Contact:   Ina Botha
Telephone:   (012) 460 9159
Fax:   (012) 460 9159
ina.botha@mweb.co.za
Shop No.:   329
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: scarycat on May 20, 2014, 01:13:14 pm
Dischem also stocks alot of stuff needed for banting.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 20, 2014, 01:48:10 pm
 :laughing4: read this, not about the Tim Noakes diet, but a grade A rant! http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/On-Tim-Noakes-and-Bullsht-20140113 (http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/On-Tim-Noakes-and-Bullsht-20140113)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Orangeswifty on May 20, 2014, 02:12:54 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Stuur bietjie daai notas Veldtie
Ek is nou 3 weke op dieselle ding en het amper 4 kg's geskud
Ek het ook alle bier en Coke gestop - so is nou af van die Brannas en drink net whisky en windpompsop
Nice ding is ek raak meer egalig gesuip.........nie legless soos met B&C nie
Ek wag nou vir my Garcinea Gambogia pille van die US af
Dan moet jy sien hoe gaan die vet afgallop :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 20, 2014, 02:24:28 pm
:laughing4: read this, not about the Tim Noakes diet, but a grade A rant! http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/On-Tim-Noakes-and-Bullsht-20140113 (http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/On-Tim-Noakes-and-Bullsht-20140113)

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Excellent. And I fully agree on Bad Science. Everyone should read that book
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ROOI on May 20, 2014, 02:26:52 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Stuur bietjie daai notas Veldtie
Ek is nou 3 weke op dieselle ding en het amper 4 kg's geskud
Ek het ook alle bier en Coke gestop - so is nou af van die Brannas en drink net whisky en windpompsop
Nice ding is ek raak meer egalig gesuip.........nie legless soos met B&C nie
Ek wag nou vir my Garcinea Gambogia pille van die US af
Dan moet jy sien hoe gaan die vet afgallop :thumleft:

Watse fokken pille ?

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Orangeswifty on May 20, 2014, 02:44:51 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....
Stuur bietjie daai notas Veldtie
Ek is nou 3 weke op dieselle ding en het amper 4 kg's geskud
Ek het ook alle bier en Coke gestop - so is nou af van die Brannas en drink net whisky en windpompsop
Nice ding is ek raak meer egalig gesuip.........nie legless soos met B&C nie
Ek wag nou vir my Garcinea Gambogia pille van die US af
Dan moet jy sien hoe gaan die vet afgallop :thumleft:

Watse fokken pille ?

http://www.facebook.com/PureGarciniaCambogia (http://www.facebook.com/PureGarciniaCambogia)

http://garciniasouthafrica.com/index/ (http://garciniasouthafrica.com/index/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ROOI on May 20, 2014, 03:30:40 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 21, 2014, 05:40:49 am
Hi Dogs,
The wife and I are also on this diet, eating plan, lifestyle changing plan, and I must confess, i am struggling without my "soetproppie" after dinner and any sort of sweet indulgence!!! Which affordable suggestions do have?
Well, you can have double-cream Greek yoghurt, sprinkled with Agave 'sugar', which gives it a lekker gritty texture...

Or Stawberries and cream, sprinkled with Agave sugar.

I have a cup of hot milk before bed, 1min 40 sec in Microwave, with a Chai tea bag inside it, tastes sweet,

I am a previously advantaged Choco-holic, the type of chocolate lover that people would talk about in hushed tones, and use words like 'shame', and have you seen what he eats...!  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 21, 2014, 05:47:15 am
My analogy on Banting, if I have to explain it at a dinner time with others who ask...

I tell them that, for me (maybe not for them though), eating fat AND carbs is a bit like putting petrol AND diesel fuel into a car; both are fuels, the car actually only needs one, so the other gets unused (stored)...

So if I'm eating carbs AND fat, body chooses (easy) carbs for energy, and fat gets stored...
If I eat fat (with protein and good amount of Veggies), then fat is used for energy requirements...
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on May 21, 2014, 05:48:16 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on May 21, 2014, 06:20:17 am
TVB and Swifty, I sent you the link again.

Zebra, another option for something "sweet" is to make yourself a "hot chocolate" but not with conventional hot chocolate powder but rather use Nestle cocoa in hot full cream milk and sweeten it with Xilitol. Tastes pretty good and keeps that craving at bay.

Other than chucking the eating plan over the EC Bash weekend, I've been pretty disciplined and have dropped 8kgs in about as many weeks.
Chuffed and feeling much better for it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 21, 2014, 07:12:19 am
TVB and Swifty, I sent you the link again.

Zebra, another option for something "sweet" is to make yourself a "hot chocolate" but not with conventional hot chocolate powder but rather use Nestle cocoa in hot full cream milk and sweeten it with Xilitol. Tastes pretty good and keeps that craving at bay.

Other than chucking the eating plan over the EC Bash weekend, I've been pretty disciplined and have dropped 8kgs in about as many weeks.
Chuffed and feeling much better for it. :biggrin:

... and my there was lots of succulent fat mutton off the spit  :3some: 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 21, 2014, 07:19:40 am
TVB and Swifty, I sent you the link again.

Zebra, another option for something "sweet" is to make yourself a "hot chocolate" but not with conventional hot chocolate powder but rather use Nestle cocoa in hot full cream milk and sweeten it with Xilitol. Tastes pretty good and keeps that craving at bay.

Other than chucking the eating plan over the EC Bash weekend, I've been pretty disciplined and have dropped 8kgs in about as many weeks.
Chuffed and feeling much better for it. :biggrin:

Jeez Veldtie, you dropped 8kgs from where? You never seemed overweight at all?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 21, 2014, 07:23:28 am
TVB and Swifty, I sent you the link again.

Zebra, another option for something "sweet" is to make yourself a "hot chocolate" but not with conventional hot chocolate powder but rather use Nestle cocoa in hot full cream milk and sweeten it with Xilitol. Tastes pretty good and keeps that craving at bay.

Other than chucking the eating plan over the EC Bash weekend, I've been pretty disciplined and have dropped 8kgs in about as many weeks.
Chuffed and feeling much better for it. :biggrin:


Soon you will have to change your name to "tribbers"   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Veldbrand on May 21, 2014, 07:42:56 am
TVB and Swifty, I sent you the link again.

Zebra, another option for something "sweet" is to make yourself a "hot chocolate" but not with conventional hot chocolate powder but rather use Nestle cocoa in hot full cream milk and sweeten it with Xilitol. Tastes pretty good and keeps that craving at bay.

Other than chucking the eating plan over the EC Bash weekend, I've been pretty disciplined and have dropped 8kgs in about as many weeks.
Chuffed and feeling much better for it. :biggrin:

Jeez Veldtie, you dropped 8kgs from where? You never seemed overweight at all?
Nee bliksen Dan, jy moet liefs nie onder my tutu inloer nie.
Ek het 'n vieslike tyre ontwikkel onder die gordyne.
Maar nou moet ek nog net bietjie oefening inkry om die stretchmarks in toom te kry dan sal ek weer beach toe gaan...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 21, 2014, 01:02:57 pm
My brother did Sani2C last week.
At 1 point he was in the medic tent and there was 14 guy's on drips.
A doctor at the tent ask all of them wich was on the Noaks diet.
12 out of 14....

If you do an endurance event, you need to supplement you body with carbs.
You cannot rely on just burning fat for energy..............especially if you are fit and
dont carry a lot of fat to start off with.

You need to have experience with such events to understand it.  ;)

That is your opinion and only that an opinion.

I used to do a lot of endurance racing often over a number of days. Carbs did not work for me.

My mother is a doctor and was often asked to help put up drips on some very experienced athletes. Not once was it for lack of carbs.

I will say this. A lot of people think Banting is an excuse to eat poorly. You don't you still need vegetables and water. Lots of water. If I have not drunk enough water that day I don't lose weight.

Do it right and you fel right.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on May 21, 2014, 01:08:07 pm
Yes................you are correct, it is only my (experienced) opinion.  ;)    :thumleft:

Good luck in running a marathon  or doing a 150 km bicycle race without carbs during and before the event. :ricky:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on May 21, 2014, 01:38:46 pm
Carbo loading for endurance events, at least the placebo effect of it helps some for a while  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: TVB on May 21, 2014, 01:56:41 pm
Dankie v die link Veldbrand! die calprut is die werk se server wat dit blok!

Ag dis ok, ek kom mooi reg, ek lees hier wat ek mag eet en doen so voort!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 21, 2014, 02:12:54 pm
Yes................you are correct, it is only my (experienced) opinion.  ;)    :thumleft:

Good luck in running a marathon  or doing a 150 km bicycle race without carbs during and before the event. :ricky:

I used to race as a registered cyclist. A senior road race was generally in the 160km range with a training ride the following day of a similar distance.
The mountain biking followed yes they were shorter but 70 - 100km on a mountain bike hurts more than 160 on a road bike. On top of that 16 Dusi's 11 Berg marathons all requiring a heavy effort over a few days. I learned early - my first Dusi in fact that carbo loading did not work for me. I persevered as I was young and believed what the trend (including Noakes and the "lore of running") said. Later on I went the more protein and fat rich diet and my endurance improved markedly. I also needed to take on less food during the race, That is my personal experience.

The pasta was fun but the steak was better. It also explains why you crave a steak after a heavy endurance event and also why almost everybody I have spoken to dreams of a juicy Hamburger just before they blow.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on May 21, 2014, 03:08:34 pm
Yes................you are correct, it is only my (experienced) opinion.  ;)    :thumleft:

Good luck in running a marathon  or doing a 150 km bicycle race without carbs during and before the event. :ricky:

I used to race as a registered cyclist. A senior road race was generally in the 160km range with a training ride the following day of a similar distance.
The mountain biking followed yes they were shorter but 70 - 100km on a mountain bike hurts more than 160 on a road bike. On top of that 16 Dusi's 11 Berg marathons all requiring a heavy effort over a few days. I learned early - my first Dusi in fact that carbo loading did not work for me. I persevered as I was young and believed what the trend (including Noakes and the "lore of running") said. Later on I went the more protein and fat rich diet and my endurance improved markedly. I also needed to take on less food during the race, That is my personal experience.

The pasta was fun but the steak was better. It also explains why you crave a steak after a heavy endurance event and also why almost everybody I have spoken to dreams of a juicy Hamburger just before they blow.

Interesting............what kind of foods did you eat during the race ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 21, 2014, 03:18:56 pm
Yes................you are correct, it is only my (experienced) opinion.  ;)    :thumleft:

Good luck in running a marathon  or doing a 150 km bicycle race without carbs during and before the event. :ricky:

I used to race as a registered cyclist. A senior road race was generally in the 160km range with a training ride the following day of a similar distance.
The mountain biking followed yes they were shorter but 70 - 100km on a mountain bike hurts more than 160 on a road bike. On top of that 16 Dusi's 11 Berg marathons all requiring a heavy effort over a few days. I learned early - my first Dusi in fact that carbo loading did not work for me. I persevered as I was young and believed what the trend (including Noakes and the "lore of running") said. Later on I went the more protein and fat rich diet and my endurance improved markedly. I also needed to take on less food during the race, That is my personal experience.

The pasta was fun but the steak was better. It also explains why you crave a steak after a heavy endurance event and also why almost everybody I have spoken to dreams of a juicy Hamburger just before they blow.

Interesting............what kind of foods did you eat during the race ?

I did not. I found eating solids while paddling or cycling gave me stomach cramps. I would race on the protein builder shake that Cytomax used to make often mixed with Grape Juice based on the carbs story. I have been lookignfor it but can't find it anywhere. I last raced seriously in 2003. Racing on Cytomax; Isostar, Carbo supreem left me flat after 2 hours and third day on the Berg is 5 hours if your really fast. At portages or seconding points I would take water or whatever was offered and sometime a banana to help avoid cramp.

The guys around me would be having fruit cake the best I saw was PE-East London where guys strapped baked potatoes to their skis as they would be nicely salted by the time they ate them.

My pre-race meal was Pro-Nutro as I battled to keep much else down before an important race. Afterwards was always what I carved something meaty.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 25, 2014, 12:53:43 pm
Was surprised , disappointed even, that this topic slipped to page2 of this thread, since I enjoy learning of other WD's findings on this eating 'plan', then thought I should then post my OWN findings 7-8 weeks on, to kick start the thread again!

I put aside an hour this morning to listen to the debate between Noakes and the Über-respected Prof Lionel Opie recently, Tim IS short of some data, but makes a VERY convincing case for his low-carb revolution, interesting listening, two academics debating: https://soundcloud.com/tags/tim%20noakes

I've continued to lose weight - slowly, which I like, now down to 89 from 93+, most significant differences still as follows :
Am full - properly full - after a high fat/ low carb meal;
Heartburn/ acid reflux feels like a thing of the DISTANT past, just zero incidents!
Farting is maybe 10-20% of what it was; I used to amuse mates by almost playing a (farting) tune whilst exiting a braai  and walking to my car, saying cheers to my mates; gone 90%!
I feeli have more energy: after 4 weeks, I felt this way, but put it down to the 'excitement' of a change in eating, another few weeks later and I am convinced I have more energy.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on May 26, 2014, 09:49:41 am
Yes................you are correct, it is only my (experienced) opinion.  ;)    :thumleft:

Good luck in running a marathon  or doing a 150 km bicycle race without carbs during and before the event. :ricky:

I used to race as a registered cyclist. A senior road race was generally in the 160km range with a training ride the following day of a similar distance.
The mountain biking followed yes they were shorter but 70 - 100km on a mountain bike hurts more than 160 on a road bike. On top of that 16 Dusi's 11 Berg marathons all requiring a heavy effort over a few days. I learned early - my first Dusi in fact that carbo loading did not work for me. I persevered as I was young and believed what the trend (including Noakes and the "lore of running") said. Later on I went the more protein and fat rich diet and my endurance improved markedly. I also needed to take on less food during the race, That is my personal experience.

The pasta was fun but the steak was better. It also explains why you crave a steak after a heavy endurance event and also why almost everybody I have spoken to dreams of a juicy Hamburger just before they blow.

 :patch: :patch: :eek7: :eek7:

I dram of Angelina WTF
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 26, 2014, 10:14:20 am
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sukkafool on May 26, 2014, 10:42:26 am
I started thursday last week and have lost 2.5kg, my better half has lost 3kg and a guy who works with me that got me onto it has lost 7.8kg in under three weeks.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Just_Plain_Dan on May 26, 2014, 10:58:53 am
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:


Hoe lank terug het jy begin?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 26, 2014, 11:10:37 am
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:


Hoe lank terug het jy begin?

Jan 2013 - 104 kg
Apr 2014 - 88 kg
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on May 26, 2014, 01:27:53 pm
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:


Hoe lank terug het jy begin?

Jan 2013 - 104 kg
Apr 2014 - 88 kg


Congrats.

so besides cutting out carbs (breads, flours, potatoes,) what else did you cut out?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 26, 2014, 02:49:50 pm
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:


Hoe lank terug het jy begin?

Jan 2013 - 104 kg
Apr 2014 - 88 kg


Congrats.

so besides cutting out carbs (breads, flours, potatoes,) what else did you cut out?

I can tell you what I did not cut out - Booze :biggrin: It was basically only the carbs I cut out without being pedantic about it, I still love a pizza every now and then, and sneak in a jam and cheese bun every so often ( I try and eat it before 12h00). I have now also stopped drinking coffee with sugar and have now stopped eating breakfast cereals (last two only this last week), will let you know if it helps :deal:

All breakfast cereals are seriously bad for you

I can also mention that I have always trained but could never lose weight so I have continued training, difference being that I actually lose weight now, but it's probably related to the eating habits :deal:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on May 26, 2014, 02:54:20 pm
Loosely following his diet I have now lost 16kg :sip:


Hoe lank terug het jy begin?

Jan 2013 - 104 kg
Apr 2014 - 88 kg


Congrats.

so besides cutting out carbs (breads, flours, potatoes,) what else did you cut out?

I can tell you what I did not cut out - Booze :biggrin: It was basically only the carbs I cut out without being pedantic about it, I still love a pizza every now and then, and sneak in a jam and cheese bun every so often ( I try and eat it before 12h00). I have now also stopped drinking coffee with sugar and have now stopped eating breakfast cereals (last two only this last week), will let you know if it helps :deal:

All breakfast cereals are seriously bad for you

I can also mention that I have always trained but could never lose weight so I have continued training, difference being that I actually lose weight now, but it's probably related to the eating habits :deal:

interesting. I am currently eating weetpix for breakfast every morning and then a samie for lunch and some potatoe for supper.

So, what do you eat for breakfast/lunch?

Supper is easy to cut out carbs...just eat more veggies or salad.     
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 26, 2014, 04:29:23 pm

interesting. I am currently eating weetpix for breakfast every morning and then a samie for lunch and some potatoe for supper.

So, what do you eat for breakfast/lunch?

Supper is easy to cut out carbs...just eat more veggies or salad.     

Weetbix - wrong
Samie - wrong
Patotoe - wrong

Morning - bacon & eggs
Afternoon - Fish, Chicken  vegies etc
Night - Protein (meat) and salads
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on May 26, 2014, 04:40:34 pm
I started out some 3 months ago at 109,2kg and this morning I weighed in at 99,2kg, exactly 10kg down. Chuffed.

Feel so much better, more energy, sleeps better. Definitely an improvement.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ETS on May 27, 2014, 10:51:58 am
I started out some 3 months ago at 109,2kg and this morning I weighed in at 99,2kg, exactly 10kg down. Chuffed.

Feel so much better, more energy, sleeps better. Definitely an improvement.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Gee S on May 27, 2014, 01:01:55 pm
Today is day 2 for me and so far so good. I do not have much weight to loose but I suppose I will loose some. I only weigh 75.5Kg. I usually get up at least once a night because of heartburn but last night I slept straight through. I hope this is a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 27, 2014, 01:39:20 pm
Today is day 2 for me and so far so good. I do not have much weight to loose but I suppose I will loose some. I only weigh 75.5Kg. I usually get up at least once a night because of heartburn but last night I slept straight through. I hope this is a sign of things to come.
good luck  :thumleft:
even if you do not have much weight to lose, you could well see a wiight re-distribution, fat being reduced, weight staying constant, but clothes fitting better.
And energy - after day 2 or so weeks I could really feel that I had more 'regular' energy - not extreme sport energy, but end-of-day energy.
heartburn too, that is ONE thing that really stands out for me, and others!
Cheers
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2014, 02:03:59 pm
I must be doing something wrong. Seems like I've picked up 6 kg's.

Cut out ALL carbs par the ones I take in unknowingly.
Only indulgend is 2 coffee's a day with a spoon of sugar in.
So no bread, pasta, potatoes etc etc any more for the past month.
I have quit smoking for about 6 weeks now as well, maybe something to do with that?

Typical breakfast is 3 eggs and bacon baked in a bit of butter.
Lunch meat and veg.
Supper meat and salad.

So I really and truly feel a tad WTF at the moment.

Maybe you guys can share what you eat on an average day?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 27, 2014, 02:45:59 pm
Hi DR,

From the book ''If you are eating all the right things and still not losing weight you may be eating to many nuts, too many berries, or too much dairy or protein. Try cutting back on those and see how it goes''

I have also lost minimal weight, but shed 5cm from my wasteline, and the best the heartburn is GONE.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 27, 2014, 02:57:46 pm
I must be doing something wrong. Seems like I've picked up 6 kg's.

Cut out ALL carbs par the ones I take in unknowingly.
Only indulgend is 2 coffee's a day with a spoon of sugar in.
So no bread, pasta, potatoes etc etc any more for the past month.
I have quit smoking for about 6 weeks now as well, maybe something to do with that?

Typical breakfast is 3 eggs and bacon baked in a bit of butter.
Lunch meat and veg.
Supper meat and salad.

So I really and truly feel a tad WTF at the moment.

Maybe you guys can share what you eat on an average day?
rather than share what I eat, a couple of questions:
can you go without the sugar in your coffee? artificial sweetener could work. ANY sugar is a no-no, in the beginning...
portion size, maybe Two eggs for brekkies, may make a difference...
and your protein portion should be APPROXIMATELY the size and thickness of your hand excl. fingers
you may be eating too big of a portion (sorry  :lamer:), but keep an eye on it.
There is a good chance yuor SHAPE is changing, even if weigth is not yet coming off.
Maybe give it more time, and re-double your efforts IF that is possible?
Cheers

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2014, 03:16:47 pm
Thanks for the replies :thumleft:

Portion sizes not far out I reckon :peepwall:
I hate the taste of sugar pilletjies. Will give Xylittol (??) a go.

Whats bad in the sugarfree cooldrinks, like Coke Zero. I have about 2 liters per week.
I have not nuts or berries, but starting every day with a veggie juice consisting of an apple, 2 carrots, some green pepper and and some cucumber.

And would you guys think there is something like 'too much fat' in this diet?

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Damaraland on May 27, 2014, 03:24:41 pm
Whilst I'm not following the Tim Noakes diet, I am following the (very similiar) Paleo diet, with about one proper cheat night every two weeks.  My daily Macro's in terms of calories would be 45% Protein, 40% Fat, 15% carbs.

I've lost about 7kg's over the last 3 months, have also been doing some strength training so obviously there would be some muscle mass gained as well.

A typical day's eating would be:
Protein shake for breakfast (I simply cannot stomach food early in the morning)
Mid-morning snack would be two boiled eggs
Lunch / afternoon would be about 100g biltong and 75g droewors
Dinner is protein (chicken / steak / mince whatever) and vegetables.
If I still feel peckish I might have some more biltong, nuts, cottage cheese, avo that kind of thing.
I've also taught myself to drink a crapload of water (this and enough sleep are probably the most underrated items in any health / exercise regime).

I drink as much coffee and tea as I want with sweetener.  I'm not a heavy drinker but I would say I have at the very least six drinks a week (Tafel, Windhoek Draught or Whiskey on the rocks)

In terms of energy levels I feel brilliant.  I am *very* active.  I play squash competitively (fortunate enough to represent my country) and also do strength training as well as jogging and interval training.  All in all I do intense exercise (heart rate elevated to max 180bpm) 3-4 times a week.  I never feel like I need carbs (over and above what I consume as per my macros above)

I do no form of carbo-loading before events, I will however have bananas and something like a chocolate milk as a recovery drink during  events.

If your goal is weight loss and you're not seeing results I would highly suggest using something like MyFitnessPal to track your calories.  Barring medical conditions if calories in < calories out you will lose weight.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2014, 03:32:11 pm
Whilst I'm not following the Tim Noakes diet, I am following the (very similiar) Paleo diet, with about one proper cheat night every two weeks.  My daily Macro's in terms of calories would be 45% Protein, 40% Fat, 15% carbs.

I've lost about 7kg's over the last 3 months, have also been doing some strength training so obviously there would be some muscle mass gained as well.

A typical day's eating would be:
Protein shake for breakfast (I simply cannot stomach food early in the morning)
Mid-morning snack would be two boiled eggs
Lunch / afternoon would be about 100g biltong and 75g droewors
Dinner is protein (chicken / steak / mince whatever) and vegetables.
If I still feel peckish I might have some more biltong, nuts, cottage cheese, avo that kind of thing.
I've also taught myself to drink a crapload of water (this and enough sleep are probably the most underrated items in any health / exercise regime).

I drink as much coffee and tea as I want with sweetener.  I'm not a heavy drinker but I would say I have at the very least six drinks a week (Tafel, Windhoek Draught or Whiskey on the rocks)

In terms of energy levels I feel brilliant.  I am *very* active.  I play squash competitively (fortunate enough to represent my country) and also do strength training as well as jogging and interval training.  All in all I do intense exercise (heart rate elevated to max 180bpm) 3-4 times a week.  I never feel like I need carbs (over and above what I consume as per my macros above)

I do no form of carbo-loading before events, I will however have bananas and something like a chocolate milk as a recovery drink during  events.

If your goal is weight loss and you're not seeing results I would highly suggest using something like MyFitnessPal to track your calories.  Barring medical conditions if calories in < calories out you will lose weight.

Thanks Knaterwater. Much to ponder. Seems like theres lot of room for improvement on my side.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 27, 2014, 03:37:51 pm
Thanks for the replies :thumleft:

Portion sizes not far out I reckon :peepwall:
I hate the taste of sugar pilletjies. Will give Xylittol (??) a go.

Whats bad in the sugarfree cooldrinks, like Coke Zero. I have about 2 liters per week.
I have not nuts or berries, but starting every day with a veggie juice consisting of an apple, 2 carrots, some green pepper and and some cucumber.

And would you guys think there is something like 'too much fat' in this diet?



Drop the Coke Zero it states specific that sugar ''free'' drinks must be avoided, carrots are on the orange list, thus once a week.  Wylittol is not bad at all, much better than the suiker pilletjies.  I'm still of the mindset that one should not eat the amount of fat recomended - anyway sal ek kots!!!

PS: Don't use the scale, rather measure.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 27, 2014, 04:08:46 pm
Thanks for the replies :thumleft:

Portion sizes not far out I reckon :peepwall:
I hate the taste of sugar pilletjies. Will give Xylittol (??) a go.

Whats bad in the sugarfree cooldrinks, like Coke Zero. I have about 2 liters per week.
I have not nuts or berries, but starting every day with a veggie juice consisting of an apple, 2 carrots, some green pepper and and some cucumber.

And would you guys think there is something like 'too much fat' in this diet?



Drop the Coke Zero it states specific that sugar ''free'' drinks must be avoided,

PS: Don't use the scale, rather measure.
what he said, skip the diet cooldrinks, and you'll drop the weight. Rather carbonated water, and my cheat drink it Naartjie water.
Cheers
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 27, 2014, 04:17:27 pm
I would also blame the morning drink. Carrots and apples contain all the cabs (sugar) you may take for a whole day. Doing that every day means you get too many carbs in and will likely not lose weight.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2014, 05:11:37 pm
Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.
What alcohol do you drink, or shal I rather ask in what order is best?

Red wine (Too much gives gout)
Beer (cant drink much of it)
Brandy&Coke (Eliminated in the above already)

Guess I should try the old Whiskey again.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 27, 2014, 05:15:11 pm
Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.
What alcohol do you drink, or shal I rather ask in what order is best?

Red wine (Too much gives gout)
Beer (cant drink much of it)
Brandy&Coke (Eliminated in the above already)

Guess I should try the old Whiskey again.
very dry white wine (has the least sugar in it)
obviously not any sweet wines...
Whisky and WATER
a good few of the 'hard' tack's are low in sugar, but whiskey works for me
probably the worst option is beer - that's where the term: Beer Belly' comes from!
Cheers
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 27, 2014, 05:19:11 pm
AN idea from another forum, trying cutting back on saturated fat for 3 weeks. Saturated fat is what you are trying to lose, after all, so lay off the pork, lamb, beef and most dairy products. Eat fish, chicken, nuts, veggies and no-fat cheese. This helps kickstart/ control Leptin. After 3 weeks you can start to up the saturated fat, although those wishing to lose more weight should consider not eating very much of these foods.

Seems logical to me to not consume the fats you are trying to lose. Once desired weight is reached then it is simply a matter of maintenance. You will still be better off cutting out all the bad carbs in any event.

Also remember that your weight can vary as much as 2 kg per day, so rather check body composition, as stated above.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2014, 06:09:03 pm
AN idea from another forum, trying cutting back on saturated fat for 3 weeks. Saturated fat is what you are trying to lose, after all, so lay off the pork, lamb, beef and most dairy products. Eat fish, chicken, nuts, veggies and no-fat cheese. This helps kickstart/ control Leptin. After 3 weeks you can start to up the saturated fat, although those wishing to lose more weight should consider not eating very much of these foods.

Seems logical to me to not consume the fats you are trying to lose. Once desired weight is reached then it is simply a matter of maintenance. You will still be better off cutting out all the bad carbs in any event.

Also remember that your weight can vary as much as 2 kg per day, so rather check body composition, as stated above.

Can you please delete this post. 1 st run it past Noakes and repost if he approves.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 27, 2014, 11:37:38 pm
AN idea from another forum, trying cutting back on saturated fat for 3 weeks. Saturated fat is what you are trying to lose, after all, so lay off the pork, lamb, beef and most dairy products. Eat fish, chicken, nuts, veggies and no-fat cheese. This helps kickstart/ control Leptin. After 3 weeks you can start to up the saturated fat, although those wishing to lose more weight should consider not eating very much of these foods.

Seems logical to me to not consume the fats you are trying to lose. Once desired weight is reached then it is simply a matter of maintenance. You will still be better off cutting out all the bad carbs in any event.

Also remember that your weight can vary as much as 2 kg per day, so rather check body composition, as stated above.
Thats contrary to noakes
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 27, 2014, 11:39:20 pm
I must be doing something wrong. Seems like I've picked up 6 kg's.

Cut out ALL carbs par the ones I take in unknowingly.
Only indulgend is 2 coffee's a day with a spoon of sugar in.
So no bread, pasta, potatoes etc etc any more for the past month.
I have quit smoking for about 6 weeks now as well, maybe something to do with that?

Typical breakfast is 3 eggs and bacon baked in a bit of butter.
Lunch meat and veg.
Supper meat and salad.

So I really and truly feel a tad WTF at the moment.

Maybe you guys can share what you eat on an average day?

If you drink good ground coffee then you actuallu dont nned any sweetner. It just mesees with he coffee taste
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 28, 2014, 07:48:50 am

I have quit smoking for about 6 weeks now as well, maybe something to do with that?


Me thinks that is the crux of the matter - I balooned from 93 kg to 104 kg when I stopped smoking
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on May 28, 2014, 07:53:29 am
AN idea from another forum, trying cutting back on saturated fat for 3 weeks. Saturated fat is what you are trying to lose, after all, so lay off the pork, lamb, beef and most dairy products. Eat fish, chicken, nuts, veggies and no-fat cheese. This helps kickstart/ control Leptin. After 3 weeks you can start to up the saturated fat, although those wishing to lose more weight should consider not eating very much of these foods.

Seems logical to me to not consume the fats you are trying to lose. Once desired weight is reached then it is simply a matter of maintenance. You will still be better off cutting out all the bad carbs in any event.

Also remember that your weight can vary as much as 2 kg per day, so rather check body composition, as stated above.

Thats contrary to noakes

At first it would seem that way, but, as I understand it, this approach is only if you are on the LCHF diet and NOT losing weight. The chap who wrote the book this was taken from, Ron Rosedale, is in favour of Banting.

Noakes also says in the book that you have to consume less overall calories to actually lose weight, but this can be done without hunger because fat makes you feel full. What the above is trying to do is kickstart leptin production, which is the satiety hormone.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2014, 10:27:03 am

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on May 28, 2014, 10:33:00 am

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

You mean unhydrogenated, don't you?

Hydrogenated is nasty.

I use the deflavoured unhydrogenated stuff, and it cooks really well.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 28, 2014, 10:49:16 am

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

Not advised with this eating plan is it?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on May 28, 2014, 10:54:20 am

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

Not advised with this eating plan is it?

If they were good enuff for Jet-Jungle, then they good enuff for me  :ricky:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2014, 12:13:04 pm

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

You mean unhydrogenated, don't you?

Hydrogenated is nasty.

I use the deflavoured unhydrogenated stuff, and it cooks really well.

YES - sorry you are right NOT hydrogenated, mechanically extracted - no preservatives, additives etc. Wonder stuff.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on May 28, 2014, 12:31:53 pm
Andre E, waar koop jy al die nice goedjies hier in ons omgewing?  As ek die goed op die winkelrakke soek, weet die mense nie eers waarvan ek praat nie. 
Title: Lamb, milk - Questions for the farmers here
Post by: espresso on May 28, 2014, 12:34:58 pm
I would like to get it from the farmers mouth!
I am trying to eat meat from pasture raised animals. I want the good Omega 3 fats and I want my meat to come from healthy animals who are eating like me - correctly for their species.
Are lamb feedlot fed here in S.A.?
I just see sheep eating in the Karoo veldt and to me it looks like they are just eating naturally, but I don't know what happens just before they are slaughtered?
I have also been told that most if not all dairy cows are grass fed anyway?
Is this true?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on May 28, 2014, 12:54:52 pm
Andre E, waar koop jy al die nice goedjies hier in ons omgewing?  As ek die goed op die winkelrakke soek, weet die mense nie eers waarvan ek praat nie. 

Wat die coconut oil betref, koop ek direk by die groot handelaar. Ek kan vir jul verskaf, PM my.

Vleis, ek koop direk by 'n boer wat van die veld af slag hier in die omgewing.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on May 28, 2014, 01:04:45 pm
Andre E, waar koop jy al die nice goedjies hier in ons omgewing?  As ek die goed op die winkelrakke soek, weet die mense nie eers waarvan ek praat nie. 

Wat die coconut oil betref, koop ek direk by die groot handelaar. Ek kan vir jul verskaf, PM my.

Vleis, ek koop direk by 'n boer wat van die veld af slag hier in die omgewing.



Dankie, die PM is oppad.

Julle is gelukkig met die vleis.  Ons maak elke naweek die "roadkills" bymekaar.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: kenwil on May 28, 2014, 01:23:37 pm
Can someone send me the link at kenwilwp@gmail.com :pot:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 28, 2014, 01:30:08 pm
Andre E, waar koop jy al die nice goedjies hier in ons omgewing?  As ek die goed op die winkelrakke soek, weet die mense nie eers waarvan ek praat nie. 

Dischem Walmer Park het Vrydag laasweek Coconut en Amandel meel ingekry, maar dit vlieg letterlik van die rakke af!!!.  Jy kry ook Xylitol daar te koop.

Waarna is jy nog opsoek?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on May 28, 2014, 01:36:01 pm
Andre E, waar koop jy al die nice goedjies hier in ons omgewing?  As ek die goed op die winkelrakke soek, weet die mense nie eers waarvan ek praat nie. 

Dischem Walmer Park het Vrydag laasweek Coconut en Amandel meel ingekry, maar dit vlieg letterlik van die rakke af!!!.  Jy kry ook Xylitol daar te koop.

Waarna is jy nog opsoek?


Ek het die meel gesoek, maar ons bly in King en die kans om hier te kry is nul.  Ek het dit by 'n gesondheidswinkel in Oos-Londen ook gesoek en hulle het my net met leepoë aangekyk.  Daar is 'n Dischem in Oos-Londen.  Ek sal kyk of hulle dalk vir my kan kry. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2014, 04:04:57 pm

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

Not advised with this eating plan is it?

Not sure but I am not Catholic about the Noaksie thing anyway. I cannot see why Oats should not be allowed?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on May 28, 2014, 04:23:16 pm

Ol-raaity then. Just bought Xylitol, will thus cut the sugar and the juices.


Giving up sugar has been the best thing I have done since giving up smoking about 20+ years ago.  :3some:

I have also discovered coconut oil in its deflavoured hydrogenated form which is amazing stuff for cooking etc.

Another heads up is for Jungle oats - ideally the large flake variety ... nob of the coconut butter or cream, sliced banana, cinnamon and milk  :thumleft:

Not advised with this eating plan is it?

Not sure but I am not Catholic about the Noaksie thing anyway. I cannot see why Oats should not be allowed?

Plants don't like dying for your cause. Unlike animals who have obvious defenses (run away,teeth,claws) plants have to make it difficult or dangerous for you to eat them. They want to survive, multiply and not become breakfast.
Some have hard shells that are difficult to crack (nuts), some are poisonous, and some have properties that just make them irritants.
Oats, wheat, rye barley are grasses and they all irritate your gut lining.
You may be one of the lucky ones who can tolerate it, but most people land up with a "leaky gut" in varying degrees.
A leaky gut means that the lining in your intestine is leaky - its got small holes in it.
This allows the wrong stuff to permeate into your bloodstream.
Allergies, high blood pressure, inflammation, bloating - the list is long.

http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/12/03/loren-cordain-leaky-gut-whole-grain-and-even-potatoes/ (http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/12/03/loren-cordain-leaky-gut-whole-grain-and-even-potatoes/)

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2014, 04:31:06 pm
Sorry but I do not buy this readily - by the time oats is cooked it does could not irritate anything IMHO ... also raises the question about roughage ... would this not be doing the same thing? I thought you need serious acid to attack gut to get leaky gut syndrome ... normally bad medications on empty stomach. ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 29, 2014, 07:38:15 am
Hehe Big D , talking about oats here is like offering whiskey at an AA meeting .  :imaposer:

Yes I also like oats, its a healthy carb, but yes not the flavoured stuff , I add organic chocolate powder and a few goji berries , dates , nuts and some coconut flakes or oil , no sugar or milk.

I enjoy the No Carbs breakfasts even more , saw how the Chinese eat breakfast when I was there a long time ago , my own version but I'm sure Tim Noakes would approve  ;) like soup for breakfast ( chuck a few bones and a bag of frozen veggies and garlic , ginger , herbs in slow cooker overnight ) or eggs and spinach omelette (delicious ) or veggies ,esp stir fried, and chuck in eggs near the end and stir eggs through  . My favourite is cauliflower with a cucumber sauce I made up ( blend a whole cucumber with fennel and mint leaves ,a few nuts, Coconut oil , garlic , ginger, lemon , salt  , yum yum, it sounds horrible, but its very lekker ).

 But then I have a huge curry and rice for lunch.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2014, 07:48:26 am
Hehe Big D , talking about oats here is like offering whiskey at an AA meeting .  :imaposer:

Yes I also like oats, its a healthy carb, but yes not the flavoured stuff , I add organic chocolate powder and a few goji berries , dates , nuts and some coconut flakes or oil , no sugar or milk.


 :biggrin:  Oops obviously let my Noaksie petticoat slip there ... as I said I lean toward the reasonable man, lean man logical side. I consider it a healthy carb and do not eat it every day but like it when I do and gives me sustainable energy. Ja not the Oatsoeasy variety. I also like the Chinese approach to some meals but not all - I travelled through China about 20 years ago along the Silk Road when foreigners were first allowed behind the curtain ... saw some VERY interesting additions to ones diet ... in some areas if it has 4 legs and is not a chair they will eat it ... menu in cages and tanks outside eateries ...  ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 29, 2014, 08:24:41 am
 :laughing4: Ja , agree Big D.  :thumleft:

Ja Tim Noakes is fine for beginners as they have not yet learned the finer points . Its a bit like when we first learnt to ride off-road we were told to never ever use the back brake, yes it was safer , until I discovered I could use front brake, man what a revelation  :biggrin:


Tim's diet is good in the sense that it does cut out all the bad things like sodas, sugar, processed food , transfats etc. But it is not necessary to cut out all carbs.

It is the chemicals used to grow wheat , and how it is stored that makes you ill , it gets mouldy and rancid very quickly. Wheat in its current forum is not fit for consumption . So if people only cut out wheat and eat the good carbs like beans ,lentils, sweet potatoes and other root veggies, rice , quiona , etc then they will also feel better and lose weight . And if they eat freshly ground grains they will feel fantastic . There is life out there .  :ricky:

And they won't have to face the risk inherent in cutting out carbs which is essential for energy , for the gut etc like on the Tim Noakes diet . Even Tim Noakes  got sick from his own diet . When told by experts that his diet so over rich in meat and fat will lead to cancer and heart attacks, he said :" well at least I wont die from diabetes ". But now that his own diet gave him diabetes , I wonder why people still follow him?

Johan Jacobs from Go Natural healed himself from MS , so at least his diet made him healthier ( as did my own slightly different one  ) He has a great Health shop in Somerset West and gives advice also and sells grinders, blenders , water purifiers and fresh organic meat, chicken and grains and also stocks great books etc

See his stance on food : http://www.gonatural.co.za/lifestyle/10-step-nutritional-program/ (http://www.gonatural.co.za/lifestyle/10-step-nutritional-program/)

http://www.gonatural.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Grain_foods/Pasta.pdf (http://www.gonatural.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Grain_foods/Pasta.pdf)

So you start with a handful of living grains and a living egg per person as the ingredients for a serving of pasta then it becomes a super nutrient rich meal, instead of empty carbohydrate, modern, fabricated, refined, nutrient deficient, preserved and adulterated pasta version.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 29, 2014, 09:12:06 am
Rynet,  you have the story somewhat the wrong way round.  Noakes got sick and then changed his diet.  He got diabetes and then changed his diet.  Not the other way round,  unless he and others lie to the world in his book ,  interviews and the magazine articles.  He clearly says that the diabetes made him change his diet and it's under control now. The diet cured him,  not made him sick.  I experience the same,  bp is way down,  lost 11 kg,  feel real good etc.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: nemodakar on May 29, 2014, 09:28:56 am
OK so I don't really need to lose weight but would like to get rid of a bit of fat starting to form on the mid rif. Sweetness says BEER.

So no more beer, single malt may be.
No cereal products, bread etc. egg for breakfast.
No Coke etc.

Now the question. Dairy, I don't drink milk other than in coffee but will kill for a cheese sauce over my broccoli or cauliflower. Butter or marg?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 29, 2014, 09:35:05 am
Thanks Eenstop.  I haven't read his book. From what I read in other sources he had pre-diabetes when he started,  and he started following this diet to help him not get diabetes,  and to lose weight, so he could run better . 

One of them is May's Men's Health magazine , who quoted Tim as saying :" at least I won't die from diabetes",  and then later in the same the article said that has since got diabetes  . The article could be slanted  .

 . Doesn't change what I believe. Anyway what's the point of reversing diabetes , (even if he were to do that) , if you risk all the other illnesses ? But this is just my opinion ( and many( most ? ) experts ), but I don't want to damp your battery,  if the Tim Noakes diet works for you , great .  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 09:36:29 am
I am reading a fascinating book at the moment. It's called Modernist Cuisine. It is 6 LARGE volumes that takes a very detailed scientific approach to cooking. They have dedicated a large chapter to dietary systems & health. The interesting part is that they show that none of the studies purporting to support the dietary beliefs that we are accustomed to are actually valid. I.e. all the studies make invalid conclusions.

For example no study has ever proven MSG to be bad for you.

Dennis Burkitt, an Irish MD, visited middle Africa in the 40's. He found that the indigenous people there had very low occurrances of colorectal cancer. He also observed that they had a high fibre diet and came to the conclusion that high fibre prevents (colorectal cancer). Based on this completely BS conclusion, all the big food corporates started to make these claims on their products as it was not illegal to do so. This is still the case today and obviously they are reluctant to change that. Many subsequent studies have failed to prove that high fibre diet has all the benefits it claims to have.

On the subject of cholesterol, the book goes into a lot of detail. In fact there has been studies that has shown that low cholesterol in over 50's is dangerous.

They also show a timeline of what science has proven vs US government policy. And clearly policy is totally out of whack with scientific fact. Because of food industry lobbying.

The same goes for food safety. Few of the things we take for granted in food safety is actually valid. For example overcooking pork is not necessary. You can cook pork like you do beef. Freezing pork actually kills the bacteria that are harmful to us....


Fascinating book but it's a loooong read...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on May 29, 2014, 09:37:37 am
OK so I don't really need to lose weight but would like to get rid of a bit of fat starting to form on the mid rif. Sweetness says BEER.

So no more beer, single malt may be.
No cereal products, bread etc. egg for breakfast.
No Coke etc.

Now the question. Dairy, I don't drink milk other than in coffee but will kill for a cheese sauce over my broccoli or cauliflower. Butter or marg?

Cheese sauce and Butter is what you can eat not marg  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 09:38:25 am
Thanks Eenstop.  I haven't read his book. From what I read in other sources he had pre-diabetes when he started,  and he started following this diet to help him not get diabetes,  and to lose weight, so he could run better . 

One of them is May's Men's Health magazine , who quoted Tim as saying :" at least I won't die from diabetes",  and then later in the same the article said that has since got diabetes  . The article could be slanted  .

 . Doesn't change what I believe. Anyway what's the point of reversing diabetes , (even if he were to do that) , if you risk all the other illnesses ? But this is just my opinion ( and many( most ? ) experts ), but I don't want to damp your battery,  if the Tim Noakes diet works for you , great .  :thumleft:

I hope you dont believe anything you read in those mags.....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 09:39:19 am
OK so I don't really need to lose weight but would like to get rid of a bit of fat starting to form on the mid rif. Sweetness says BEER.

So no more beer, single malt may be.
No cereal products, bread etc. egg for breakfast.
No Coke etc.

Now the question. Dairy, I don't drink milk other than in coffee but will kill for a cheese sauce over my broccoli or cauliflower. Butter or marg?

Cheese sauce and Butter is what you can eat not marg  :thumleft:

Yip marg VERY bad for you.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on May 29, 2014, 09:39:59 am
Interesting bomber................

Share some more when you have time please.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 09:51:36 am
Interesting bomber................

Share some more when you have time please.

It is a MOERSE set of books  $600..!!

http://modernistcuisine.com/ (http://modernistcuisine.com/)  

I will see if I can extract that chapter from the PDF and post it....

Oh, and it is not the wood that gives meat the flavour on the braai. It is the fat dripping on the coals and then burning on the coals that cause smoke that gives the flavour. This book totally changes your understanding of food. Check the author's videos on youtube....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on May 29, 2014, 09:55:23 am
Interesting bomber................

Share some more when you have time please.

It is a MOERSE set of books  $600..!!

http://modernistcuisine.com/ (http://modernistcuisine.com/) 

I will see if I can extract that chapter from the PDF as post it....

Bomber
 :) I am referring to the whole concept, not the marg part. (sorry that other post came to quick.)

Share some general interesting facts.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on May 29, 2014, 10:05:15 am
For example no study has ever proven MSG to be bad for you.

I don't need a study to prove it...  :biggrin: just a sprinkling of it on a steak gives me a splitting headache half an hour later.  :eek7:
Since I cut out using foods that contain it I seldom get cluster headaches like I used to.

Stopped using fizzy drinks every day like I used to a month ago and now I need another hole in the belt. So the plan is to cut down all sugars as well from now on. I like lus a slab of chocolate now! :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kobus on May 29, 2014, 10:07:07 am
Way back I lost a lot of weight just by cutting my 6 spoons of sugar in my coffee ( 3x2  :) )
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 10:08:40 am
For example no study has ever proven MSG to be bad for you.

I don't need a study to prove it...  :biggrin: just a sprinkling of it on a steak gives me a splitting headache half an hour later.  :eek7:
Since I cut out using foods that contain it I seldom get cluster headaches like I used to.

Stopped using fizzy drinks every day like I used to a month ago and now I need another hole in the belt. So the plan is to cut down all sugars as well from now on. I like lus a slab of chocolate now! :drif:

well you have to understand that you as individual may have a negative effect to MSG just like another has to peanuts... but the point is that despite many studies no evidence has been found that it is bad
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 29, 2014, 11:07:51 am
Interesting bomber................

Share some more when you have time please.

It is a MOERSE set of books  $600..!!

http://modernistcuisine.com/ (http://modernistcuisine.com/)  

I will see if I can extract that chapter from the PDF and post it....

Oh, and it is not the wood that gives meat the flavour on the braai. It is the fat dripping on the coals and then burning on the coals that cause smoke that gives the flavour. This book totally changes your understanding of food. Check the author's videos on youtube....

OK here is the health chapter

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7oum7exb2fhdh6b/Health.zip (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7oum7exb2fhdh6b/Health.zip)

42MB download

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 30, 2014, 05:48:12 am
Thanks Eenstop.  I haven't read his book. From what I read in other sources he had pre-diabetes when he started,  and he started following this diet to help him not get diabetes,  and to lose weight, so he could run better . 

One of them is May's Men's Health magazine , who quoted Tim as saying :" at least I won't die from diabetes",  and then later in the same the article said that has since got diabetes  . The article could be slanted  .

 . Doesn't change what I believe. Anyway what's the point of reversing diabetes , (even if he were to do that) , if you risk all the other illnesses ? But this is just my opinion ( and many( most ? ) experts ), but I don't want to damp your battery,  if the Tim Noakes diet works for you , great .  :thumleft:

I hope you dont believe anything you read in those mags.....

Hey that's my line  :imaposer:  to you guys who swallow hook line and sinker what one person / one book says .  :pot:

 The point is I do read a lot and have had a personal journey with health for the last 16 years.  Tim did say he had pre-diabetes , that was in official statements of his , so if his book says different then he is either contradicting himself or he got worse after his own diet .

As for the Men's Health is saying that he has now got diabetes ,  yes I don't accept it as a fact , but I would be very surprised that they would say something this definite , that they cannot substantiate .

You haven't told us yet what is in that book that you are punting , sure he is criticising everything else but what does that book stand for ? What is the crux of it ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on May 30, 2014, 06:05:07 am
:laughing4: Ja , agree Big D.  :thumleft:

Ja Tim Noakes is fine for beginners as they have not yet learned the finer points . Its a bit like when we first learnt to ride off-road we were told to never ever use the back brake, yes it was safer , until I discovered I could use front brake, man what a revelation  :biggrin:


Tim's diet is good in the sense that it does cut out all the bad things like sodas, sugar, processed food , transfats etc. But it is not necessary to cut out all carbs.


Rynet, you are totally correct. There have been a few studies lately by universities and institutions that aren’t trying to sell anything. These were properly conducted, using the right protocols and peer reviewed.

They all point to one thing. People on diet that contains selected carbohydrates, in the right amounts and proportions, had better long term weight loss, improved hormonal function, could exercise with more intensity , recovered quicker afterwards and received a host of other health benefits as a result of nutrients not found in protein or fats and that cannot be synthesized in the body

The problem is as you stated. Such a diet becomes complicated, harder to follow and is more likely to fail. So while the cut the carbs plan is not ultimately the best, it is the best compromise for people who are seriously overweight.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Rynet on May 30, 2014, 06:06:06 am
Look I am not totally against Tim like many of the experts are , they are calling him the Malema of medicine

http://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-21-00-is-tim-noakes-the-malema-of-medicine (http://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-21-00-is-tim-noakes-the-malema-of-medicine)

And he was torn to shreds in that recent UCT debate as he has no evidence to prove his diet.  Eg he says that 2 people reversed their diabetes based on questionnaires they filled in and he thinks why would he lie , he doesn't appear to have met them ?
 
But I am not in either camp, I'm half way between the two camps. I am glad that Tim confessed that his previous diet was making us ill.  I am glad that people have now realised that high consumption of carbs is bad , that wheat as it is not fit for human consumption,  that sugar and sodas and transfats and processed food is bad. If it needed a famous person to bring that to people's attention , then good. I am glad that WD's are losing weight and paying less fart -tax ( :imaposer: hehe that made me giggle Zebs) and I am glad you guys are feeling better.  :thumleft:

I guess I just cannot understand why people believe him again. Last time he at least had done scientific tests in a lab,  to substantiate his high carbs claims, people esp in the states built whole businesses because of his results, he had graphs and stats etc. This time he doesn't even have his own tests. He is going on what he read in a spam email and more reading of old diets , but it is selective reading  , he is totally disregarding that people got sick from the banting diet , and the Atkins. At least Atkins has put back the carbs selectively .

So yes I am not totally against Tim at all. It's really just his nonsense that you must cut out all carbs that I don't agree with. He is a bit late in his "discovery" but at last he has seen the light . But to swing so wildly over to the other side ?  ::) Besides all the other risks mentioned before , potential kidney and gut damage , and higher risk of heart attacks and cancer ( and perhaps now also diabetes  :pot: ) it's also simply seeing the unhappy dieters , as lack of carbs deplete serotonin. See anyone becoming sad and grumpy because of Tim's diet ?  ;)

And the more food groups you cut out the more chance of becoming intolerant to the few you still eat. And yes cauliflower is nice, but how many times can one eat cauliflower ?  And all that diary and bacon, there is so few things that one can choose from , no man , there is whole amazing life out there that does not include Tim Noakes's restrictive diet.

People would get better just cutting out wheat and the other things mentioned.  But its great that people are looking after their health better now, and for that I am happy that Tim Noakes had that influence .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on May 30, 2014, 07:06:48 am
Thanks Eenstop.  I haven't read his book. From what I read in other sources he had pre-diabetes when he started,  and he started following this diet to help him not get diabetes,  and to lose weight, so he could run better . 

One of them is May's Men's Health magazine , who quoted Tim as saying :" at least I won't die from diabetes",  and then later in the same the article said that has since got diabetes  . The article could be slanted  .

 . Doesn't change what I believe. Anyway what's the point of reversing diabetes , (even if he were to do that) , if you risk all the other illnesses ? But this is just my opinion ( and many( most ? ) experts ), but I don't want to damp your battery,  if the Tim Noakes diet works for you , great .  :thumleft:

I hope you dont believe anything you read in those mags.....

Hey that's my line  :imaposer:  to you guys who swallow hook line and sinker what one person / one book says .  :pot:

 The point is I do read a lot and have had a personal journey with health for the last 16 years.  Tim did say he had pre-diabetes , that was in official statements of his , so if his book says different then he is either contradicting himself or he got worse after his own diet .

As for the Men's Health is saying that he has now got diabetes ,  yes I don't accept it as a fact , but I would be very surprised that they would say something this definite , that they cannot substantiate .

You haven't told us yet what is in that book that you are punting , sure he is criticising everything else but what does that book stand for ? What is the crux of it ?

Diabetes doesn't suddenly arrive out of nowhere.
If you eat a diet too high in sugar or carbs (which your body turns into sugar anyway), the repeated spikes of glucose in your blood will cause insulin spikes to counteract this. Over time your cells develop an immunity to insulin or your pancreas just gives up producing insulin.
Changing your diet can reverse the damage a bit, but not totally.
Tim changed over too late - the damage was done.
Rynet there is TONS of real scientific evidence backing up Paleolithic diets.
You seem to just fire from the hip rather than bothering to do the reading.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on May 30, 2014, 07:12:38 am
LOW carb, not NO Carb is what he says and what I do. Also NOT his invention, research or even ideas. Just his compilation of knowledge that was there before him. And yes, I am always sceptic about everything I read and treated his book the same until I read further and wider, but now, considering all this is just an instance where the extrinsic evidence heavily supports the story, sufficiently so that a reasonable court would convict on strength thereof.  :deal:

Now I can say," LOOKS AT THE SCOREBOARD!". Watch the scale's dial, the ever melting away of tummy fat, the energetic feeling, the lowered bp, the (almost) absence of my ever nagging allergies, etc. etc. Res ipsa loquitur! :thumleft:

Sorry, but the evidence of the nay-sayers must be rejected as improbable and in contrast with the facts.

Guilty as charged. Anything in mitigation?        :peepwall:



And for Espresso's take on diabetes, 100% my understanding too  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alanB on May 30, 2014, 08:21:51 am
As I said before I wouldn't take any particular book or author as gospel on this subject. 

The basic crux as someone asked above, as far as I understand it is:
1) Fat is supposed to be what your body uses when it needs stored energy.  But if you eat too much carbs, which are a very fast and efficient form of energy, then your body burns that preferentially and doesnt use the fat.  It also converts excess carbs to fat.   It eventually only wants carbs and your fat accumulates and doesnt really get burnt - hence the tendency of modern western people towards obesity.  You need to drastically reduce your carb intake and teach your body to burn fat when it needs energy again.
2) The best diet for people is the diet our ancient ancestor's ate before the advent of large scale agriculture as they evolved over millennia.  But the real debate is what did they eat?  This is where I start to get skeptical  about all the rules and claims in these books etc.  My logic tells me just like any other animal, ancient man ate what ever he could find.  He would not have decided not to eat something "because it contained anti-nutrients" or "because it was a carb".  So the real issue that needs more investigation is what did ancient man really eat, and what were the proportions?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2014, 08:27:22 am
Mens kan ook fokol op die forum post sonder dat iemand met 'n "nee ek weet beter" kom in chirp nie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on May 30, 2014, 08:39:17 am
Mens kan ook fokol op die forum post sonder dat iemand met 'n "nee ek weet beter" kom in chirp nie

Maar se nou net die persoon weet regtig beter en post nie, dan mis ons almal uit op die verlore wysheid  :deal:

 :peepwall:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2014, 08:45:28 am
Mens kan ook fokol op die forum post sonder dat iemand met 'n "nee ek weet beter" kom in chirp nie

Maar se nou net die persoon weet regtig beter en post nie, dan mis ons almal uit op die verlore wysheid  :deal:

 :peepwall:

Ja maar as ek 'n post begin en vra waar kan ek goedkoop onnies koop sal iemand tien teen een my kom vertel ek moet boxers dra want briefs is sleg vir jou ballas. Dan breek daar 'n moerse debat uit en ek weet nogsteeds nie waar ek kan onnies koop nie, meantime is daar gate in al dies wat ek het. Dan het iemand weer 'n opinie van goedkoop onnies wat makliker gate kry. Het dit enige iemand gehelp?  :P
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on May 30, 2014, 09:15:16 am
Ja maar as ek 'n post begin en vra waar kan ek goedkoop onnies koop sal iemand tien teen een my kom vertel ek moet boxers dra want briefs is sleg vir jou ballas. Dan breek daar 'n moerse debat uit en ek weet nogsteeds nie waar ek kan onnies koop nie, meantime is daar gate in al dies wat ek het. Dan het iemand weer 'n opinie van goedkoop onnies wat makliker gate kry. Het dit enige iemand gehelp?  :P

Edgars se kinderafdeling :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 30, 2014, 09:28:26 am
You haven't told us yet what is in that book that you are punting , sure he is criticising everything else but what does that book stand for ? What is the crux of it ?

What book? Modernist Cuisine? I uploaded the whole chapter on health to DropBox and posted the link just above your post.... Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Fascinating book though.

And he was torn to shreds in that recent UCT debate as he has no evidence to prove his diet. 

Stop saying it's HIS diet. It's not. This diet has been around for a long time. Tim is just advocating it and made it more accessible to us by giving us great tasting recipes.

I guess I just cannot understand why people believe him again. Last time he at least had done scientific tests in a lab,  to substantiate his high carbs claims, people esp in the states built whole businesses because of his results, he had graphs and stats etc. This time he doesn't even have his own tests. He is going on what he read in a spam email and more reading of old diets , but it is selective reading  , he is totally disregarding that people got sick from the banting diet , and the Atkins. At least Atkins has put back the carbs selectively .

Would you rather trust someone that does not admit they are wrong and you don't know about it? See the chapter I posted for many details....
I, for one, appreciate that he considered new facts and changed his stance. That is what a true scientist does. WTF are you on about him reading a spam email. Do you own research and see that there is a huge amount of info publicly available, so you dont have to do all your own trials.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sparticus on May 30, 2014, 09:45:39 am
Lots of clever people on the forum. The Tim Noakes saga is a good thing for me. I'm type 2 diabetic and if theres one thing I must control then it's my blood sugar levels. Impossible for me when I have bread and potatoes etc. My diabetes specialist and his dietician connection has never laid down the rules of CARBS to me. Tim Noakes lit that fire and the banter on this thread is worth every cent spent on internet costs. However, seeing that I compete well with the heaviest people on the forum  (and I have seen a threat of infection on my toes that have lost the sense of touch), my opinion is that TIM NOAKES is an amuteur when it comes to low carbs. His latest book is like the notes made ages ago by others and google proves it. I challenge any diabetic to download this: Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution . I downloaded it illegally...
My opinion on being overweight.
 stage one - You start by joining the INSULIN RESISTANCE club
 stage two - diabetes starts knocking on your door.

I test 6 times a day and see the results of low/no carbs. There is no question that carbs (simple and complex ) are my enemy. Average readings came down from 10 to 5.5 mmol/L in 2 weeks.

Lost 4 kgs in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 30, 2014, 10:17:48 am
my opinion is that TIM NOAKES is an amuteur when it comes to low carbs. His latest book is like the notes made ages ago by others and google proves it.

Yes exactly why I said ppl should stop calling it the Tim diet... Maybe I should change the thread title...  :eek7:

There are tons of research and info on LCHF eating out on the interwebz but ppl choose to fixate on Tim
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on May 30, 2014, 10:36:24 am
Mens kan ook fokol op die forum post sonder dat iemand met 'n "nee ek weet beter" kom in chirp nie

Maar se nou net die persoon weet regtig beter en post nie, dan mis ons almal uit op die verlore wysheid  :deal:

 :peepwall:

Ja maar as ek 'n post begin en vra waar kan ek goedkoop onnies koop sal iemand tien teen een my kom vertel ek moet boxers dra want briefs is sleg vir jou ballas. Dan breek daar 'n moerse debat uit en ek weet nogsteeds nie waar ek kan onnies koop nie, meantime is daar gate in al dies wat ek het. Dan het iemand weer 'n opinie van goedkoop onnies wat makliker gate kry. Het dit enige iemand gehelp?  :P

As dit jou pla, moet jy maar jou internetmasjien afsit.

Daar wag nog baie ontnugtering vir jou op die web.
 ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on May 30, 2014, 11:25:47 am
As I said before I wouldn't take any particular book or author as gospel on this subject. 

The basic crux as someone asked above, as far as I understand it is:
1) Fat is supposed to be what your body uses when it needs stored energy.  But if you eat too much carbs, which are a very fast and efficient form of energy, then your body burns that preferentially and doesnt use the fat.  It also converts excess carbs to fat.   It eventually only wants carbs and your fat accumulates and doesnt really get burnt - hence the tendency of modern western people towards obesity.  You need to drastically reduce your carb intake and teach your body to burn fat when it needs energy again.
2) The best diet for people is the diet our ancient ancestor's ate before the advent of large scale agriculture as they evolved over millennia.  But the real debate is what did they eat?  This is where I start to get skeptical  about all the rules and claims in these books etc.  My logic tells me just like any other animal, ancient man ate what ever he could find.  He would not have decided not to eat something "because it contained anti-nutrients" or "because it was a carb".  So the real issue that needs more investigation is what did ancient man really eat, and what were the proportions?

Well let's think about this?

Strandlopers (the few thousand who survived near extinction and who were purportedly our ancestors) ate primarily shell fish, seaweed, small amounts of fruit, berries and roots, and small mammals?

Inland, I would imagine the same, except larger mammals were available. However, hunting wasn't easy, and periods of fasting were unavoidable? There is also a two day per week fasting "diet"around. A friend lost 15kg in 2 months and loves it.

We don't know what fruits/veggies and mammals were around and in what quantities though?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 30, 2014, 11:49:34 am
As I said before I wouldn't take any particular book or author as gospel on this subject. 

The basic crux as someone asked above, as far as I understand it is:
1) Fat is supposed to be what your body uses when it needs stored energy.  But if you eat too much carbs, which are a very fast and efficient form of energy, then your body burns that preferentially and doesnt use the fat.  It also converts excess carbs to fat.   It eventually only wants carbs and your fat accumulates and doesnt really get burnt - hence the tendency of modern western people towards obesity.  You need to drastically reduce your carb intake and teach your body to burn fat when it needs energy again.
2) The best diet for people is the diet our ancient ancestor's ate before the advent of large scale agriculture as they evolved over millennia.  But the real debate is what did they eat?  This is where I start to get skeptical  about all the rules and claims in these books etc.  My logic tells me just like any other animal, ancient man ate what ever he could find.  He would not have decided not to eat something "because it contained anti-nutrients" or "because it was a carb".  So the real issue that needs more investigation is what did ancient man really eat, and what were the proportions?

Well let's think about this?

Strandlopers (the few thousand who survived near extinction and who were purportedly our ancestors) ate primarily shell fish, seaweed, small amounts of fruit, berries and roots, and small mammals?

Inland, I would imagine the same, except larger mammals were available. However, hunting wasn't easy, and periods of fasting were unavoidable? There is also a two day per week fasting "diet"around. A friend lost 15kg in 2 months and loves it.

We don't know what fruits/veggies and mammals were around and in what quantities though?

.. and what their diet induced life expectancy was..
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 2wdrift on May 30, 2014, 12:19:44 pm
I have read only the first page and this last one. But I try and follow pretty much this diet as well. But I love making kaaings so I will fry the fat out and after it has cooled down I pour the liquid fat into a container and use the lard in stead of oil.

I combine this with eating only once a day, every 24hrs. Your body starts using its own stored fat after 18 hours of not eating, so after a while you start getting a lot of energy. This sounds wrong for diabetics by the common knowledge but for me it works (insulin resistant) I combine that with using cinnamon to help regulate the blood pressure and blood sugar levels. I take it by soaking cinnamon rolls in vodka for about 3 days, removing all the rolls and then adding honey to the vodka. One shot a day does wonders for me. And its got a nice taste as well. I cant find the website that gives the info on the cinnamon but google it and it should be around there somewhere.

Just some info.

This diet had me lose quite a bit of weight. And my blood sugar levels and blood pressure is spot on where it should be.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alanB on May 31, 2014, 07:09:01 am
As I said before I wouldn't take any particular book or author as gospel on this subject. 

The basic crux as someone asked above, as far as I understand it is:
1) Fat is supposed to be what your body uses when it needs stored energy.  But if you eat too much carbs, which are a very fast and efficient form of energy, then your body burns that preferentially and doesnt use the fat.  It also converts excess carbs to fat.   It eventually only wants carbs and your fat accumulates and doesnt really get burnt - hence the tendency of modern western people towards obesity.  You need to drastically reduce your carb intake and teach your body to burn fat when it needs energy again.
2) The best diet for people is the diet our ancient ancestor's ate before the advent of large scale agriculture as they evolved over millennia.  But the real debate is what did they eat?  This is where I start to get skeptical  about all the rules and claims in these books etc.  My logic tells me just like any other animal, ancient man ate what ever he could find.  He would not have decided not to eat something "because it contained anti-nutrients" or "because it was a carb".  So the real issue that needs more investigation is what did ancient man really eat, and what were the proportions?

Well let's think about this?

Strandlopers (the few thousand who survived near extinction and who were purportedly our ancestors) ate primarily shell fish, seaweed, small amounts of fruit, berries and roots, and small mammals?

Inland, I would imagine the same, except larger mammals were available. However, hunting wasn't easy, and periods of fasting were unavoidable? There is also a two day per week fasting "diet"around. A friend lost 15kg in 2 months and loves it.

We don't know what fruits/veggies and mammals were around and in what quantities though?

.. and what their diet induced life expectancy was..

Why do people assume that their shorter life expectancy was due to diet?

Surely lack of medicine was a major cause?  If you got sick or injured, you had to get better on your own or you died!  Also you couldn't feed your self, when you were sick or injured, and if you were alone or your family didn't like you enough to gather food for you, you starved.  Given the same circumstances, most of us would have been dead long ago!  I certainly would be!

Plus I read an article I think on the BBC where a study was done on the cause of death of early human skeletons for causes of death.  A very high proportion died from violence, cant remember the figure but I think it was above 20%.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on May 31, 2014, 10:44:13 am
As I said before I wouldn't take any particular book or author as gospel on this subject. 

The basic crux as someone asked above, as far as I understand it is:
1) Fat is supposed to be what your body uses when it needs stored energy.  But if you eat too much carbs, which are a very fast and efficient form of energy, then your body burns that preferentially and doesnt use the fat.  It also converts excess carbs to fat.   It eventually only wants carbs and your fat accumulates and doesnt really get burnt - hence the tendency of modern western people towards obesity.  You need to drastically reduce your carb intake and teach your body to burn fat when it needs energy again.
2) The best diet for people is the diet our ancient ancestor's ate before the advent of large scale agriculture as they evolved over millennia.  But the real debate is what did they eat?  This is where I start to get skeptical  about all the rules and claims in these books etc.  My logic tells me just like any other animal, ancient man ate what ever he could find.  He would not have decided not to eat something "because it contained anti-nutrients" or "because it was a carb".  So the real issue that needs more investigation is what did ancient man really eat, and what were the proportions?

Well let's think about this?

Strandlopers (the few thousand who survived near extinction and who were purportedly our ancestors) ate primarily shell fish, seaweed, small amounts of fruit, berries and roots, and small mammals?

Inland, I would imagine the same, except larger mammals were available. However, hunting wasn't easy, and periods of fasting were unavoidable? There is also a two day per week fasting "diet"around. A friend lost 15kg in 2 months and loves it.

We don't know what fruits/veggies and mammals were around and in what quantities though?

.. and what their diet induced life expectancy was..

Why do people assume that their shorter life expectancy was due to diet?

Surely lack of medicine was a major cause?  If you got sick or injured, you had to get better on your own or you died!  Also you couldn't feed your self, when you were sick or injured, and if you were alone or your family didn't like you enough to gather food for you, you starved.  Given the same circumstances, most of us would have been dead long ago!  I certainly would be!

Plus I read an article I think on the BBC where a study was done on the cause of death of early human skeletons for causes of death.  A very high proportion died from violence, cant remember the figure but I think it was above 20%.


Very true, but I do think that there was a contribution. Access to nutritious food and balanced diet was limited and I think that that caused illnessess that may have been incurable at the time, but yes, the violence rates pretty high on cause on death

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on June 01, 2014, 06:24:12 pm
Carte Blanche have an insert about carbs vs fat tonight at 19h00
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on June 01, 2014, 06:36:19 pm
I've found the secret... just break your femur  :o

I've gone from 88kg to 83.5kg in 3 weeks  :-\ Pity it's more muscle mass than fat  :'(
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on June 01, 2014, 07:24:45 pm
4 weeks in, I have lost 8 kg of fat :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 02, 2014, 09:11:14 am
I started this on Saterday.....We went out for supper movies etc and when I ordered a ham burger I didnt eat the rolls. Substitured the chips for salad and was pleasantly full.....So today is day 3.

Got me 2 hard boiled eggs for breakfast
Salad for lunch and biltong and droewors for snack times.
Supper will be a venison stew with veggies
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on June 02, 2014, 09:13:04 am
4 weeks in, I have lost 8 kg of fat :thumleft:



Wow, well done  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sukkafool on June 02, 2014, 09:38:15 am
I have been on this for about 11 days, dropped a belt notch already and lost 5kgs. The better half has lost 4. Both feeling better, sleeping better….so far so good.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on June 02, 2014, 09:38:25 am
4 weeks in, I have lost 8 kg of fat :thumleft:



That is almost a whole Spice Girl.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on June 02, 2014, 10:46:06 am
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on June 03, 2014, 12:37:12 pm
If Tim's way doesn't work try this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/_zO2wFkl46g?hl=en_US&amp;version=3&amp;rel=0"
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2014, 12:47:22 pm
'it's like the neck of a violin"  :imaposer:   I bet he just has all the women lining up to play with his fiddle.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on June 13, 2014, 11:03:08 am
So hopped on the scale this morning.

Three kg's to go and I will hit my 10kg goal.

And that is with booze. Last night polished a bottle of wine. Think if I cut that out I would fall through my own asshole if I lift my arms. 

:lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 13, 2014, 11:06:55 am
I started this on Saterday.....We went out for supper movies etc and when I ordered a ham burger I didnt eat the rolls. Substitured the chips for salad and was pleasantly full.....So today is day 3.

Got me 2 hard boiled eggs for breakfast
Salad for lunch and biltong and droewors for snack times.
Supper will be a venison stew with veggies

I am going to weigh on monday and see if this worked....I must say I feel better and not so tired anymore.

during the last 2 weeks since starting I had half a pizza, 1 sandwhich and 1 helping of spaghetti with tomoto mince....So did not completely cut out carbs.

Time will tell  O0
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on June 13, 2014, 11:09:32 am
...during the last 2 weeks since starting I had half a pizza...

We have one cheat day. Sunday nights is pizza night.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 13, 2014, 11:18:30 am
...during the last 2 weeks since starting I had half a pizza...

We have one cheat day. Sunday nights is pizza night.

I agree, pizza i wont give up easily.Nothing better then a nice woodfire pizza....nom nom nom  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on June 13, 2014, 01:17:15 pm
...during the last 2 weeks since starting I had half a pizza...

We have one cheat day. Sunday nights is pizza night.

I agree, pizza i wont give up easily.Nothing better then a nice woodfire pizza....nom nom nom  :biggrin:
Ok, enough with the Pizza discussion, and the non nom nom sounds, some of us are trying to stick to the plan  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 13, 2014, 01:29:06 pm
...during the last 2 weeks since starting I had half a pizza...

We have one cheat day. Sunday nights is pizza night.

I agree, pizza i wont give up easily.Nothing better then a nice woodfire pizza....nom nom nom  :biggrin:
Ok, enough with the Pizza discussion, and the non nom nom sounds, some of us are trying to stick to the plan  ;D

Sorry, couldnt hear you over my nom nom nom  :lol8:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Supreme_pizza.jpg)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on June 13, 2014, 01:55:24 pm
 :drif:
       :drif:
             :drif:
                   :drif:

 ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on June 13, 2014, 02:17:44 pm
 :laughing4:

......excommunication will come knocking on your door.......you'll get thrown off this thread

Do not lead us into temptation.......we already know the way ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 13, 2014, 02:26:23 pm
:laughing4:

......excommunication will come knocking on your door.......you'll get thrown off this thread

Do not lead us into temptation.......we already know the way ;D

 :oscar: :oscar:

I dont see a gun againts your head..... But i like to see things I can have, so dont worry I am sitting right next to you.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tinusvdb on June 14, 2014, 09:22:22 pm
Interesting thread, subscribed
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisMann on June 15, 2014, 11:28:16 am
Not to brag or anything,

but I finished this 14 day diet in 3 hours and 38 minutes.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: alli on June 16, 2014, 02:54:53 pm
Not to brag or anything,

but I finished this 14 day diet in 3 hours and 38 minutes.




Bwahahaha!!   :laughing4:  :imposer:

Chris(you da)Mann…

Now only 13 days, 20 hours and 22 minutes of eating nothing then you can eat again. all about Balance, dude, balance.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GSpot on June 17, 2014, 09:07:58 am
Is there a plan to follow like a normal diet (just to get into the routine) or eat what you want sticking to no sugar ,fizzy drinks and bread ect.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 17, 2014, 09:22:25 am
Is there a plan to follow like a normal diet (just to get into the routine) or eat what you want sticking to no sugar ,fizzy drinks and bread ect.

Thats what I have been doing and feel great! now and then likes this weekend I had some starch,but not much. To date (about 3weeks in) i am down one belt notch but havent weighed yet.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: paulb on June 25, 2014, 03:32:34 pm
3 Maande en het nou maar 3 kg verloor  :'( :'( :'(

Het darem al 3 gaaitjies op my belt gewen en kan weer self my skoene vas maak  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on June 25, 2014, 03:35:00 pm
.. kan weer self my skoene vas maak  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Dis mos 'n vrou se job daai!!

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ratrap on June 26, 2014, 02:02:02 pm
6kg down in 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: nemodakar on June 26, 2014, 02:10:06 pm
I'm not following it strictly and I've lost 6 kg's in 3 weeks. By just cutting out bread and Coke, only have a few beers on the weekend.

Problem is I'm bored with meat and veggies and eggs for breakfast. What do you guys eat that you can quickly slap together for lunch etc. Supper is for Sweetness to worry about.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 26, 2014, 02:12:20 pm
I'm not following it strictly and I've lost 6 kg's in 3 weeks. By just cutting out bread and Coke, only have a few beers on the weekend.

Problem is I'm bored with meat and veggies and eggs for breakfast. What do you guys eat that you can quickly slap together for lunch etc. Supper is for Sweetness to worry about.


for lunch i usually either take a salad or take some left overs from the previous night...

if nothing, 2 pieces of chicken from KFC  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on June 26, 2014, 02:13:25 pm
I hear what Tim is saying, but I have a dilemma...

In 2010 I spent 7 weeks in the deep jungle of the DRC. All we ate was rice and beans, twice a day.

In 7 weeks I lost 13kg, and came down 3 notches on my belt. (went from size 38 to size 34 trousers)

Both rice and beans are frowned apon by Noakes  ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 26, 2014, 02:16:17 pm
I hear what Tim is saying, but I have a dilemma...

In 2010 I spent 7 weeks in the deep jungle of the DRC. All we ate was rice and beans, twice a day.

In 7 weeks I lost 13kg, and came down 3 notches on my belt. (went from size 38 to size 34 trousers)

Both rice and beans are frowned apon by Noakes  ???

I get your point...I think it is more the chips, potatoe, pasta stuff thats very bad for you....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: edgy on June 26, 2014, 02:20:57 pm
Its the combo of carbs and protein that he frowns upon
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on June 26, 2014, 02:21:15 pm
I hear what Tim is saying, but I have a dilemma...

In 2010 I spent 7 weeks in the deep jungle of the DRC. All we ate was rice and beans, twice a day.

In 7 weeks I lost 13kg, and came down 3 notches on my belt. (went from size 38 to size 34 trousers)

Both rice and beans are frowned apon by Noakes  ???
Ja ja ja, all depends on what goes in and what goes out - if you burn off more than you take in; any combination of any food types will result in weight loss. The key to the Banting diet is achieving Ketosis - it's a chemical process that burns off fat quicker. A great benefit for me is that the my body responds quicker to feeling full with the High Fat / Protein intake than with carbo and sugars. I also don't have those crashes after the spikes and don't have the urge to eat so often.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on June 26, 2014, 03:01:25 pm
I hear what Tim is saying, but I have a dilemma...

In 2010 I spent 7 weeks in the deep jungle of the DRC. All we ate was rice and beans, twice a day.

In 7 weeks I lost 13kg, and came down 3 notches on my belt. (went from size 38 to size 34 trousers)

Both rice and beans are frowned apon by Noakes  ???

Yeah, now come and do that here in SA and add all the other carbs you have each day and then check where your weight goes...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on June 26, 2014, 03:03:59 pm
I hear what Tim is saying, but I have a dilemma...

In 2010 I spent 7 weeks in the deep jungle of the DRC. All we ate was rice and beans, twice a day.

In 7 weeks I lost 13kg, and came down 3 notches on my belt. (went from size 38 to size 34 trousers)

Both rice and beans are frowned apon by Noakes  ???

Yeah, now come and do that here in SA and add all the other carbs you have each day and then check where your weight goes...

Ja, we didn't eat anything else, except for a small goat once. And it was hot, really hot. Sweaty hot. And we were on the side of a mountain, with no vehicles, so walking was the only way...

Mmmmhhh! Maybe I can market this as a fat-fighting-get-fit-fast getaway  :3some:  :pot:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on June 26, 2014, 03:09:09 pm
I'm down 5kg in 4 weeks. Just enough to keep me motivated.
Foodwise I have not cheated at all and try to stay below 50g of carbs/day. My portion sizes were too big for the first few weeks though.
I know a pizza is somewhere on my horizon...I just need the right reason to celebrate... :P
As for drinks, I have stayed off all sweet stuff, but have transgressed twice with too much Castle Lite or whisky and water.

I'm not exercising yet but will start that soon.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on June 27, 2014, 05:58:15 am
Not sure about the weight, I have not weighed myself, but 2 notches in on the belt and the third not far off.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on June 29, 2014, 02:30:05 pm
8 weeks and only 3kgs but 3 pant sizes down not even cheated once  -stuff this! i'm going back to eating what I want and excersize.  PS had my cholestrol checked out yesterday it is up from 3.7 to 5.2 so I'm definately not compatible with this eating plan
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on June 29, 2014, 06:12:17 pm
But cholesterol is not the enemy...

http://www.cas.usf.edu/news/s/176 (http://www.cas.usf.edu/news/s/176)

According to Diamond, when an individual consumes sugar, the sugar attaches to protein molecules, which interferes with their functioning. Those abnormal protein molecules become incorporated into arterial walls, which contribute to the arteries becoming stiff. When an individual’s blood pressure rises rapidly, as occurs during stress, a tear can develop in the arterial wall. Bacteria enter the damaged artery and cause an infection. The body’s immune system sends white blood cells and LDL cholesterol, the so-called “bad cholesterol,” to the rescue to kill the bacteria.

“Cholesterol doesn’t cause the damage,” Diamond said. “It is, in fact, the spackle that helps arteries to be repaired.”
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on June 29, 2014, 06:15:09 pm
http://www.apinchofhealth.com/low-carb/old-gems/benefits-of-high-cholesterol.php (http://www.apinchofhealth.com/low-carb/old-gems/benefits-of-high-cholesterol.php)

People with high cholesterol live the longest. This statement seems so incredible that it takes a long time to clear one´s brainwashed mind to fully understand its importance. Yet the fact that people with high cholesterol live the longest emerges clearly from many scientific papers.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on June 29, 2014, 06:22:31 pm
Lots of people on LCHF tend to have raised cholesterol in the beginning, but it's normally because of an increase in beneficial large particles.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on June 29, 2014, 06:25:12 pm
And, as per the links above, high cholesterol actually protects you :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on June 30, 2014, 07:12:21 am
I will have my 6 monthly checks shortly, and I am not sure what to expect. I don't think I'll bin the 'diet', as I have lost lots of weight and generally feel much better.

Interesting how many scientists now recant their earlier findings on what is good for you and what not. I grew up in the phase where eggs and bacon etc, were to be avoided as far as possible. Now the thinking is that these 'findings' were wrong and that eggs is the best food out there. My family called an egg and bacon breakfast a 'coronary bomb'. How wrong that has proved to be  :patch:

But then, there is little out there that is not 'bad' for one in some or other way.  Imagine; oxygen oxidizes cells, which is bad. So, shall we stop breathing to avoid this? :lol8: We were born to die; so, its just 'what of' one will die. Let's eat and be merry, as long as it makes us feel good. I personally prefer a shorter happy life than a longer unhappy one. [.........else I should sell my bike as it is inherently dangerous to ride.........you wish!] :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 30, 2014, 07:58:11 am
I started this on Saterday.....We went out for supper movies etc and when I ordered a ham burger I didnt eat the rolls. Substitured the chips for salad and was pleasantly full.....So today is day 3.

Got me 2 hard boiled eggs for breakfast
Salad for lunch and biltong and droewors for snack times.
Supper will be a venison stew with veggies

So 4 weeks in and I lost 3kgs and one notch on the belt....but this last week was an absolute disaster with farewell parties, birtday parties, late working etc...had a bit to much carbs...Today starting strong again!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on June 30, 2014, 08:36:46 am
I'm down 5kg in 4 weeks. Just enough to keep me motivated.
Foodwise I have not cheated at all and try to stay below 50g of carbs/day. My portion sizes were too big for the first few weeks though.
I know a pizza is somewhere on my horizon...I just need the right reason to celebrate... :P
As for drinks, I have stayed off all sweet stuff, but have transgressed twice with too much Castle Lite or whisky and water.

I'm not exercising yet but will start that soon.

5.5kg down today after 5 weeks. Also need to make holes in 2 of my belts.
Lesson for the week: Although full cream milk is allowed, be aware it contains quite a lot of carbs. So less milk for me.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on June 30, 2014, 08:49:43 am
I'm down 5kg in 4 weeks. Just enough to keep me motivated.
Foodwise I have not cheated at all and try to stay below 50g of carbs/day. My portion sizes were too big for the first few weeks though.
I know a pizza is somewhere on my horizon...I just need the right reason to celebrate... :P
As for drinks, I have stayed off all sweet stuff, but have transgressed twice with too much Castle Lite or whisky and water.

I'm not exercising yet but will start that soon.

5.5kg down today after 5 weeks. Also need to make holes in 2 of my belts.
Lesson for the week: Although full cream milk is allowed, be aware it contains quite a lot of carbs. So less milk for me.

I love my milk to much...... cant give that up  :3some:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 30, 2014, 10:23:07 am
I battle to stick with any diet, so I have approached my eating from a different angle.

To start with and to prove to myself I have some form of self control I started but cutting bread and sugar, completely. I am also trying to be a little more aware of "what" I am eating. I believe I am a sugar addict as I have a real sweet tooth, so it's been a real battle, but I think I am over it.

I have also upped my exercise intensity and stopped skipping gym for the tiniest reason. Also found a lot more things to do at gym to keep it interesting.

So far the scale is not telling me much, but I can see I look different and need to tighten the old belt a bit, but more importantly, I feel a lot better and as a long time allergy sufferer, these reactions have improved greatly.




Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: nemodakar on June 30, 2014, 10:23:20 am
I've been going for 4 weeks now, been cheating with beers and the odd sweet, no beers during the week though.

Started at 86 kg's and as from Sunday morning I'm down to 78.8 kg's, = 7.2 kg's lost.

I seem to be eating more now then ever. 1 Slice of bread and I feel bloated and it's as if the body uses energy to absorb the bread.

1 more kilo to go and I'll be there but thinking that I'll just carry on with what feels right. Surely the body can decide when it needs and what it needs. So I eat what I really feel like. Just no bread etc.
  
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on June 30, 2014, 10:26:49 am
Surely the body can decide when it needs and what it needs.

Yeah I agree, but the mind is a tricky bastard. Fine line between need and want.... ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: rodl on June 30, 2014, 11:12:54 am
Can anyone send me the link

rlasagni@gmail.com

thanks in advance  O0
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 30, 2014, 11:42:30 am
3 weeks and about 3 kilo's down - now sitting at 88kg - cut pretty much all carbs in the week, cheat a bit on the weekend - I had a burger - but I was seriously bloated after that, felt very unpleasant....

My weakness is beer. I enjoy a beer after work, so I haven't stopped those entirely - will try harder this week.....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: malcolmt on June 30, 2014, 01:26:49 pm
Sod Tim Noaks.
I've been on the Bobby Sands diet plan, its working a treat for me...just ease off after 25 days...ol Bobby only lasted 26 days.
Never heard of this diet... google Bobby Sands
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on June 30, 2014, 01:34:00 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on June 30, 2014, 02:34:15 pm
 :laughing4:
Tim Noakes diet = plenty RRRRRR's
Bobby Sands diet = R0.00. For free. Mahala, no cost involved, save for the coffin and grave

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Draad on July 01, 2014, 06:29:45 am
So............ you " vetgatte " have you lost weight yet ?

Don't worry next year there will be some new diet that works ...........   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on July 01, 2014, 07:11:52 am
So............ you " vetgatte " have you lost weight yet ?

Don't worry next year there will be some new diet that works ...........   :imaposer:

Ja-Ja.  Staaaadig, maar verseker.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on July 01, 2014, 07:46:54 am
Down another 1.6 kg's last month, 3.75 kg's to go to ideal weight :thumleft:

Lost a total of 18.25 kg's so far :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on July 01, 2014, 07:48:42 am
Down another 1.6 kg's last month, 3.75 kg's to go to ideal weight :thumleft:

Lost a total of 18.25 kg's so far :biggrin:

Bliksem dis goeie werk. Oor hoeveel maande is dit vandat jy begin het?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: paulb on July 02, 2014, 06:00:00 am
Down another 1.6 kg's last month, 3.75 kg's to go to ideal weight :thumleft:

Lost a total of 18.25 kg's so far :biggrin:

Ek wens ek was al so ver soos jy , ek is nou 3 maande en het amper 5 kg verloor , ek moet nog 25 kg verloor  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on July 02, 2014, 06:46:38 am
Na 11 kg gaan dit nou baie stadig.  Idiaal is nog  so 6 kg af,  maar ek wonder of die rooiwyn wat saans hulself op my af forseer dalk carbs het wat maak dat ek nou stilstaan?   :peepwall: Maar wragtig gaan gewigsverlies nie 'n obsessie word nie :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on July 02, 2014, 06:58:31 am
Na 11 kg gaan dit nou baie stadig.  Idiaal is nog  so 6 kg af,  maar ek wonder of die rooiwyn wat saans hulself op my af forseer dalk carbs het wat maak dat ek nou stilstaan?   :peepwall: Maar wragtig gaan gewigsverlies nie 'n obsessie word nie :thumleft:

Presies dieselfde met my. Die gewig wat ek wel verloor het maak beslis reeds 'n verskil aan hoe ek voel en opereer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on July 02, 2014, 07:26:51 am
Na 11 kg gaan dit nou baie stadig.  Idiaal is nog  so 6 kg af,  maar ek wonder of die rooiwyn wat saans hulself op my af forseer dalk carbs het wat maak dat ek nou stilstaan?   :peepwall: Maar wragtig gaan gewigsverlies nie 'n obsessie word nie :thumleft:

Sia hoekom myne ook so stadig vat....wyn bevat baie suiker...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on July 02, 2014, 01:50:19 pm
http://www.dietdoctor.com/reversing-diabetes-visit-emergency-room (http://www.dietdoctor.com/reversing-diabetes-visit-emergency-room)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on July 02, 2014, 02:04:58 pm
About time. Went there yesterday with snotnose and succumbed to the chips.....

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on July 02, 2014, 02:07:12 pm
The bacon, wors and bangers are probably processed, and fried in sunflower oil.

But it's a start, I suppose.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on July 02, 2014, 02:10:10 pm
The bacon, wors and bangers are probably processed, and fried in sunflower oil.

But it's a start, I suppose.

The pork bangers probably have cereal in them too. They get a  :thumleft: for effort though.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JWP on July 04, 2014, 10:40:39 am
The bacon and wors are fine and if you have the eggs scrambled then you are 100% in line.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Briekmerk on July 04, 2014, 11:02:49 am
The bacon and wors are fine and if you have the eggs scrambled then you are 100% in line.

What is the difference between fried and scrambled for Tim Noakes diet?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on July 04, 2014, 11:16:40 am
The bacon and wors are fine and if you have the eggs scrambled then you are 100% in line.

What is the difference between fried and scrambled for Tim Noakes diet?

I guess they fry eggs in sunflower oil, but scramble with butter or nothing at all ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on July 04, 2014, 11:16:52 am
The bacon and wors are fine and if you have the eggs scrambled then you are 100% in line.

What is the difference between fried and scrambled for Tim Noakes diet?

Well, in a commercial kitchen they probably fry in the wrong oil, as stated earlier by someone. So by taking it scrambled you probably reduce your intake of "wrong" oil.

Edit: fokken snap...Eend
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on July 04, 2014, 11:30:38 am
@ Bud  :laughing4:

I wonder, having had a hotel for a couple of years, I was then under impression very few catering is done with sunflower oil, as it goes rancid and tastes bad very soon. We used only palm oil in the kitchen - tastes better, browns chips and stuff better- none of the problems of sunflower oil, and I may be mistaken, but I think it was the same price as any sunflower oil. It comes only in 20 liter drums from Bidvest Foods. Never seen it in a normal shop though. Oh, and it goes solid in winter  :)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on July 10, 2014, 02:55:22 pm
Die Mail & Guardian se dat Tim Noakes stront praat.........  ;D ;D ;D

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-07-09-00-bacon-and-eggs-diets-dont-make-you-lose-more-weight-researchers (http://mg.co.za/article/2014-07-09-00-bacon-and-eggs-diets-dont-make-you-lose-more-weight-researchers)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on July 10, 2014, 04:06:33 pm
Proud of how my cheese cake turned out. Used this recipe (http://brianberkman.com/?p=928), just replaced the cream cheese with mascarpone.
That recipe doesn't have a base, so I made one by blending desiccated coconut with softened butter; press it firmly into the baking tin and bake for 10 minutes at 180. Allow to cool before pouring in the cheese cake mixture.

 :thumleft:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3890/14433467418_7280980f6e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nZri1w)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Just_Plain_Dan on July 10, 2014, 04:17:43 pm
I really dont think the Noakes diet is more or less effective than any other diet.

The really big difference comes in with how easy it is to follow the Noakes diet.
I am never hungry, I really enjoy the food I eat.

I am in my 11th week now, cheated maybe once or twice where I really did not have a choice. Not because I force myself not to cheat, but because I dont want to. I have zero cravings. I am never hungry. When I am hungry I eat, if I am not hungry, I dont eat. Simple

So therein lies the big difference for me, between normal diets and the banting lifestyle.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 11, 2014, 09:03:14 am
http://www.bdlive.co.za/life/health/2014/07/10/low-carbohydrate-diets-no-better-than-balanced-eating-plans-study-finds (http://www.bdlive.co.za/life/health/2014/07/10/low-carbohydrate-diets-no-better-than-balanced-eating-plans-study-finds)

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on July 11, 2014, 09:24:03 am
I really dont think the Noakes diet is more or less effective than any other diet.

The really big difference comes in with how easy it is to follow the Noakes diet.
I am never hungry, I really enjoy the food I eat.

I am in my 11th week now, cheated maybe once or twice where I really did not have a choice. Not because I force myself not to cheat, but because I dont want to. I have zero cravings. I am never hungry. When I am hungry I eat, if I am not hungry, I dont eat. Simple

So therein lies the big difference for me, between normal diets and the banting lifestyle.

That just about sums up my experience too. In week 7, dropping an average of 1kg/week.
Just fine by me.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on July 11, 2014, 09:31:26 am
Proud of how my cheese cake turned out. Used this recipe (http://brianberkman.com/?p=928), just replaced the cream cheese with mascarpone.
That recipe doesn't have a base, so I made one by blending desiccated coconut with softened butter; press it firmly into the baking tin and bake for 10 minutes at 180. Allow to cool before pouring in the cheese cake mixture.

 :thumleft:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3890/14433467418_7280980f6e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nZri1w)

Why did you replace the cream cheese? looks nice...and something we can eat.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on July 11, 2014, 09:48:46 am
Why did you replace the cream cheese? looks nice...and something we can eat.

Woolies didn't have stock of "normal" cream cheese; I figured I couldn't go wrong with marscapone as a replacement.  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on July 11, 2014, 09:50:55 am
Why did you replace the cream cheese? looks nice...and something we can eat.

Woolies didn't have stock of "normal" cream cheese; I figured I couldn't go wrong with marscapone as a replacement.  ;D
Lekker! will give it a try this weekend....with some.....whipped cream.

My granny use to have a sugar free custard that didnt taste bad....trying to find the darn recipe.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on July 11, 2014, 09:58:41 am
Why did you replace the cream cheese? looks nice...and something we can eat.

Woolies didn't have stock of "normal" cream cheese; I figured I couldn't go wrong with marscapone as a replacement.  ;D
Lekker! will give it a try this weekend....with some.....whipped cream.

My granny use to have a sugar free custard that didnt taste bad....trying to find the darn recipe.

Sugar free custard would work. I made this pumpkin pie recipe (http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/desserts/r/pumpkinpie.htm), which is basically a pumpkin custard, and it was awesome.

Generally speaking you can replace sugar in any recipe 1:1 with xylitol. That's what I did with the cheese cake and the pumpkin pie and it worked perfectly. There are a few things that xylitol doesn't work with though, like meringue.

I used the six egg whites left over from the cheese cake to make a million meringues of various flavours, half with real sugar and the other half with xylitol. The real sugar ones turned out beautifully, but the xylitol ones were a bit hit & miss; some we good and others were sticky blobs of goop.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on July 11, 2014, 10:17:03 am
Why did you replace the cream cheese? looks nice...and something we can eat.

Woolies didn't have stock of "normal" cream cheese; I figured I couldn't go wrong with marscapone as a replacement.  ;D
Lekker! will give it a try this weekend....with some.....whipped cream.

My granny use to have a sugar free custard that didnt taste bad....trying to find the darn recipe.

Sugar free custard would work. I made this pumpkin pie recipe (http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/desserts/r/pumpkinpie.htm), which is basically a pumpkin custard, and it was awesome.

Generally speaking you can replace sugar in any recipe 1:1 with xylitol. That's what I did with the cheese cake and the pumpkin pie and it worked perfectly. There are a few things that xylitol doesn't work with though, like meringue.

I used the six egg whites left over from the cheese cake to make a million meringues of various flavours, half with real sugar and the other half with xylitol. The real sugar ones turned out beautifully, but the xylitol ones were a bit hit & miss; some we good and others were sticky blobs of goop.

Xylitol as a sweetener is fine, but i think the chemical reactions and transformations is different from sugar during baking
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Takashi on July 23, 2014, 02:44:15 pm
Not sure if this is a repost but I laughed my skinny ass off. :laughing4: :laughing4:

http://jancerjancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/long-live-flour-power-and-anti-noakes-congress/#comment-800 (http://jancerjancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/long-live-flour-power-and-anti-noakes-congress/#comment-800)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on July 23, 2014, 03:06:54 pm
Not sure if this is a repost but I laughed my skinny ass off. :laughing4: :laughing4:

http://jancerjancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/long-live-flour-power-and-anti-noakes-congress/#comment-800 (http://jancerjancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/long-live-flour-power-and-anti-noakes-congress/#comment-800)

 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

copy and pasted below...


Long live flour power and the Anti Noakes Congress!

I’m writing this in a secret bunker on the 18th day of July 2044. I’m writing this because the truth needs to be told so that some day someone will find this and know that the world wasn’t always this way.
 The resistance is in tatters – we’ve been annihilated. There are just a few of us left, mounting individual attacks, but it’s useless. It’s only a matter of time before we are weeded out and destroyed. We have lost.
 It was in 2014 when our teacher told us that World War III would be fought between the East and the West over oil and religion. Could she have been more wrong? In those days we were happy and then one man got up and started instigating.
 At first people said he was a noisy guy with just a few followers – they called him a mosquito; a fool, a clown – and made fun of him.
 They said he was controversial, a rabble-rouser; that his ideas were dangerous and no one would take him seriously. It’s just a faddish gimmick that will soon be forgotten, they said.
 He had a few fans, but he had many more critics than ardent supporters. But the
 cult grew and his followers became increasingly vocal and militant.
 The agitator I speak of is, of course, Tim Noakes. He said salvation lay with the lumpen proteinteriat in their struggle against the petty bungeoisie.
“My ideas are not new,” Noakes said. “A 100 years ago a great visionary declared: ‘The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of carb struggles’.” That was Carb Marx, who dedicated his life to a carbless society.”
Noakes launched the Meal Revolution, and said every missed steak was a mistake. The crossworders called his Meal Revolution “lame” (lame is an anagram of “meal”, ”revolution” is the anagram indicator).
 But in spite of this Noakesism spread. Hollywood was split. Sean Penne rejected it but Kevin Bacon, the highly qualified actor (he has six degrees), endorsed it. Noakesist restaurants became trendy and people spurned the spud and joined the Noakeses’ Steakholders, who dressed in Lady Gaga suits of fillet and chunks of prime rib.
 At first carb-eaters were allowed into carb-free restaurants, but things changed when the Noakeses formed the No Potato (NP) party and introduced a system of separate development, which he called apotatohate.
 He warned about the carb gevaar and claimed there was a bread under every bed.
 The Steakholders attacked bakers and anyone caught with potatoes or breaching one of the 10 Carbmandments was jailed. Public Loafing became an offence.
 Then Noakes introduced Banting Education.
“Our bodies shall run on unbreaded fuel,” he declared.
 While most people were panting about Banting, I was ranting about Banting. The world was divided into the Bantings and the small band of people who opposed them – the Buntings.
 I’d graduated from the University of the Wheatwatersrand and believed there wasn’t a grain of truth in Noakesism. I was a child of the flour power revolution and, as far as I was concerned, Noakes was a cereal killer. He was protein.
 I was anti-tein.
 I followed in the steps of the great anti-Bantingistas like Bagel, Fidel Crusto and Che Guevaroll who said no whey. I became a founder member of the Anti Noakes Congress (ANC).
 We first tried to negotiate with the NP but when Noakes and his food heavies would not budge, we felt we had no choice but to take up arms.
We are hungry for freedom – an ideal for which we are not prepared to diet.
 A-Pasta Continua!   


:imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on July 23, 2014, 03:07:50 pm
 :spitcoffee:

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on July 23, 2014, 07:50:41 pm
Had my first Tim Noakes side issue. was up most of last night with a gall bladder issue. I had to much double cream joghurt before going to sleep.

I have noticed the gall bladder issue before, but put it down to stomach acid. Now with the High fat diet it has surfaced with a vengeance.

Was So buggered  this morning I struggled to get to work. But then it could also just be carma , cause I was shitty with WB  :)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on July 23, 2014, 07:59:18 pm
Had my first Tim Noakes side issue. was up most of last night with a gall bladder issue. I had to much double cream joghurt before going to sleep.

I have noticed the gall bladder issue before, but put it down to stomach acid. Now with the High fat diet it has surfaced with a vengeance.

Was So buggered  this morning I struggled to get to work. But then it could also just be carma , cause I was shitty with WB  :)

Nee wat, nuwe oupas sukkel maar soms om te slaap hoor ek.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on July 23, 2014, 09:22:32 pm
I'm in week 8 and just short of 8kg down, very happy with it. Clothes are looser fitting and my belts need new notches. Have not started any exercise yet.

So far I had one cheat meal, was a great pizza.... :3some:

At times I do slip with a beer or 4.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Thunderlinde on July 23, 2014, 09:50:00 pm
Only thing I crave is beer... have been on it for a week only drinking whisky and lost 4 days.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: AntVan on July 23, 2014, 09:56:32 pm
and lost 4 days

You've gotta lay off the nasty stuff man...I've never drank so much whiskey that I lost a whole day. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on July 24, 2014, 05:14:30 am
Only thing I crave is beer... have been on it for a week only drinking whisky and lost 4 days.
:imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on July 24, 2014, 08:24:15 am
and lost 4 days

You've gotta lay off the nasty stuff man...I've never drank so much whiskey that I lost a whole day. :imaposer:

And never mind one...he sommer lost 4! Check under your matress, they might be there
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on July 28, 2014, 08:23:24 pm
Things were going so well, that I decided it will be a Steers burger on friday evening.

New place that opened for us previous , did not have type.

Shit a 2 hour waiting period, fuck them, ate my Tim Stuff.

A lot of rowing and red wine on the weekend(it was pissing rain) saw me in the shit with comments on Wd, having an attitude with the ex and msucle build up instead of weightloss.

So by sunday morning  I was told "never ever in your shit miserable life do you touch redwine again' was said in afrikaans, but the message came across.

But the Burger and chips, did not get washed away.

So on sunday I bought some Ostrich steak, supper Monday evening, ostrich steak and chips.

But I forgot the ex could not even when we were married make decent chips, So I took one look at the stuff she made and ended up having Ostrich steak that I cooked and a stirfry.

It seems that once I left carbs and sugar it is like stopping smoking, the stuff revolts me
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on July 28, 2014, 08:30:21 pm
Bacon, broccoli stalks, sweet peppers, onions, courgettes, carrots and a sliver of garlic... all fried together. Yum!!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on July 28, 2014, 08:30:59 pm
Bacon, broccoli stalks, sweet peppers, onions, courgettes, carrots and a sliver of garlic... all fried together. Yum!!!


 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on July 28, 2014, 08:36:47 pm
Cheat day for me is Monday, half price pizza  :biggrin:
I have found that if I eat bread or rice or any sort of refined carbs now, it gives me a headache, so I don't, and don't miss it either.
Pulled the belt in another notch this week, that makes 4 notches.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Helenus on July 28, 2014, 09:35:14 pm
Sorry, no time to read 27 pages of posts now.....lost 15 kg's in 5 months, stabilised on my BMI weight for the past 5 weeks, feeling great, don't get tired anymore, I don't cheat apart for some bran in the morning to fight the constipation (spastic colon since for ever), again, I never cheat, it's for now a way of life for me. Cholesterol (I do have genetic cholesterol for which I take medicine) is fine, within the limit.

Funny enough, everyone so far who lectured me on the dangers, unhealthiness etc of this LCHF eating plan were over weight* and did not follow any healthy eating plan. Stuffed themselves with anything and everything they lay their hands on.

* Disclaimer: I do not have any problem with anyone who is overweight, or too skinny, or to this, or to that, or whatever. That is your choice. I respect your choice.

My choice is what I said above.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on July 29, 2014, 06:46:45 pm
I woke in die middle of the night for a glass of water, saw those indecent chips in a bowl , and ate them all.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: OMO on August 03, 2014, 08:00:19 pm
After a few months this diet seems to be working well for some and not so well for others... How about posting some Before, In Progress and After pics?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wayne on August 03, 2014, 10:03:22 pm
Strange thing. My wife was steadily losing weight and now all of a sudden for the last 2 weeks, nothing. Weight stays the same and she has not cheated


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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: troos on August 03, 2014, 10:09:40 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

Howdee Veltie

Can I take you up on this offer? Maybe share this via dropbox?

Thanks
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bundu on August 03, 2014, 11:31:26 pm
hey guys, I've never paid any attention to diets and eat what I want, whenever I want, but as tgg has seen, I rarely eat...

I went for my regular check-up with my physician, a very respected one at that, and asked him about his opinion of the latest Noakes diet - his reply was simply, that, if you sell your "medical studies" at exclusive books, rather than have them peer reviewed at a university, you're in it for the money and fame - followers might as well read the KFC adverts for dietery advice...... EINA!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on August 04, 2014, 06:10:49 am
hey guys, I've never paid any attention to diets and eat what I want, whenever I want, but as tgg has seen, I rarely eat...

I went for my regular check-up with my physician, a very respected one at that, and asked him about his opinion of the latest Noakes diet - his reply was simply, that, if you sell your "medical studies" at exclusive books, rather than have them peer reviewed at a university, you're in it for the money and fame - followers might as well read the KFC adverts for dietery advice...... EINA!  ;) ;D

Ya,ya ,ya wadda wadda wadda, whatever.
I have been fighting a loosing battle against weight for 15 years, since a car accident, and I have tried everything, and I mean, everything, I can write a thesis on good nutrition and exercise I have studied it so in depth.
Nothing, but nothing worked at all, since I have been following this, since this thread started a few months back, I have gone from the last hole in my belt to the 4th last hole in my belt, I can feel my clothes are all bigger for me than they were a few months ago.
I don't have a scale so I can't tell you how many kilos, but has to be more than 10-15kg down already.
And I do not follow it as a regimented regime, I cheat quite often,  more of a low carb as opposed to no carb change.
So I appologise if I don't buy his respected opinion.

Wayne, therein lies the problem, you have to cheat to break the cycle.
Once the body gets into a groove, cycle, it will adapt accordingly and adjust the metabolism and only burn calories as required, so you need to break the cycle, and confuse the body...so to speak, otherwise you see the plateau you are talking about.
This weekend let her eat all the stuff she has been cutting out, roast potatoes, pizza, toasted cheese, slap chips, then Monday, back on the straight and narrow,  within a week she will see the weight start to drop off again.
Also...portion sizes.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on August 04, 2014, 06:14:12 am
Strange thing. My wife was steadily losing weight and now all of a sudden for the last 2 weeks, nothing. Weight stays the same and she has not cheated


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My wife also said she was not losing - have heard from other ladies that they are less inclined to lose weight on this diet - some have said inches not kilos :o

Anyone else (ladies) have the same experience?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on August 04, 2014, 06:14:55 am
 :laughing4:@ Bundu

But then,  the average doctor knows preciously little about diets and nutrition.  Simply not their field of study or expertise.  You will still find doctors saying eggs cause cholesterol out there- stuck with 1970's "knowledge ".  
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Minxy on August 04, 2014, 11:15:50 am
Strange thing. My wife was steadily losing weight and now all of a sudden for the last 2 weeks, nothing. Weight stays the same and she has not cheated


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My wife also said she was not losing - have heard from other ladies that they are less inclined to lose weight on this diet - some have said inches not kilos :o

Anyone else (ladies) have the same experience?

I initially lost about 2kg, but the weight has refused to go down ever since. I have cheated a bit this last while so it's probably my own fault, but I still think one needs to throw a bit more exercise into the mix to really get this diet to work effectively.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on August 04, 2014, 11:41:24 am
The golden rule remains... "exercise and diet"  :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Attila on August 04, 2014, 12:38:56 pm
Download Link like so

https://db.tt/kqEyau7z

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: troos on August 04, 2014, 02:22:14 pm
Download Link like so

https://db.tt/kqEyau7z



thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Grrrr.... on August 04, 2014, 04:48:50 pm
So had my usual off morning routine today. I go watch a movie and have a brekkie.

Now that Spur has a banting choice I go there and ordered it as usual. Waiter asked me what bread I want with so a bit confused said but it doesn't come with toast. She then said yes, but people complained about the lack of bread so management told them to just add it.

Told her no thanks. When I paid she asked me if I was on a diet because I am the first person she has dealt with that didn't take any toast with that breakfast.

It is called a "banting breakfast". What is the point if bread is added....?



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on August 04, 2014, 04:50:48 pm
So had my usual off morning routine today. I go watch a movie and have a brekkie.

Now that Spur has a banting choice I go there and ordered it as usual. Waiter asked me what bread I want with so a bit confused said but it doesn't come with toast. She then said yes, but people complained about the lack of bread so management told them to just add it.

Told her no thanks. When I paid she asked me if I was on a diet because I am the first person she has dealt with that didn't take any toast with that breakfast.

It is called a "banting breakfast". What is the point if bread is added....?





Who knows.... Probably have no clue.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: paulb on August 04, 2014, 06:49:08 pm
4  maande en 8 kg ligter nou , nog net 20 kg wat moet waai  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on August 04, 2014, 06:57:56 pm
Die vrou is gisteraand weg kaap toe vir n kursus, net ek en die kind by die huis, toe gaan kry ek maar n double steers burger net chips.

Moet se ek het nie vanoggend so vris gevoel  soos gewoontlik nie, sal later die week kyk wat die gewig doen
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Garfield on August 04, 2014, 07:04:31 pm
So had my usual off morning routine today. I go watch a movie and have a brekkie.

Now that Spur has a banting choice I go there and ordered it as usual. Waiter asked me what bread I want with so a bit confused said but it doesn't come with toast. She then said yes, but people complained about the lack of bread so management told them to just add it.

Told her no thanks. When I paid she asked me if I was on a diet because I am the first person she has dealt with that didn't take any toast with that breakfast.

It is called a "banting breakfast". What is the point if bread is added....?





Sy het seker nog nie Tim Noakes se boek gelees nie.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bundu on August 04, 2014, 11:38:34 pm
hey guys, I've never paid any attention to diets and eat what I want, whenever I want, but as tgg has seen, I rarely eat...

I went for my regular check-up with my physician, a very respected one at that, and asked him about his opinion of the latest Noakes diet - his reply was simply, that, if you sell your "medical studies" at exclusive books, rather than have them peer reviewed at a university, you're in it for the money and fame - followers might as well read the KFC adverts for dietery advice...... EINA!  ;) ;D

Ya,ya ,ya wadda wadda wadda, whatever.
..................................

here's some more wadda wadda for you....

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/08/04/tim-noakes-diet-is-criminal (http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/08/04/tim-noakes-diet-is-criminal)

Johannesburg cardiologist Anthony Dalby has called sport scientist Tim Noakes's high-fat diet "criminal".

She warned that following Noakes's high-fat diet to lose weight, but cheating with the odd carbohydrate or a glass of wine, was like ''putting a gun to your head".

Noakes's book has sold more than 100000 copies.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on August 05, 2014, 10:48:10 am
Bundu, read the whole article.

The criminal comment was made due to patients getting off their cholestrol meds. The gun to head comment was made in the event that people follow the fat part of the diet but then still cheat with refined cards.

I had a check up yesterday, my Doc is very happy with the 8kgs I dropped thus far and she reckons carry on. But I remain on my meds for now.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bundu on August 05, 2014, 11:13:46 am
Bundu, read the whole article.

The criminal comment was made due to patients getting off their cholestrol meds. The gun to head comment was made in the event that people follow the fat part of the diet but then still cheat with refined cards.

I had a check up yesterday, my Doc is very happy with the 8kgs I dropped thus far and she reckons carry on. But I remain on my meds for now.
:thumleft: I have read the whole article and have also seen many here 'cheating' on their diets
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on August 05, 2014, 11:56:45 am

 :thumleft: I have read the whole article and have also seen many here 'cheating' on their diets

That is a fact. I know I am guilty of it.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on August 05, 2014, 03:30:44 pm
You should really read The Real Meal Revolution by Noakes.
It is unfortunately 19mb large and can't be uploaded here but I could mail it to whomever wants it.....

Howdee Veltie

Can I take you up on this offer? Maybe share this via dropbox?

Thanks

Me too please - you can post a link to your dropbox public link
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on August 05, 2014, 07:22:42 pm
hey guys, I've never paid any attention to diets and eat what I want, whenever I want, but as tgg has seen, I rarely eat...

I went for my regular check-up with my physician, a very respected one at that, and asked him about his opinion of the latest Noakes diet - his reply was simply, that, if you sell your "medical studies" at exclusive books, rather than have them peer reviewed at a university, you're in it for the money and fame - followers might as well read the KFC adverts for dietery advice...... EINA!  ;) ;D

Ya,ya ,ya wadda wadda wadda, whatever.
..................................

here's some more wadda wadda for you....

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/08/04/tim-noakes-diet-is-criminal (http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/08/04/tim-noakes-diet-is-criminal)

Johannesburg cardiologist Anthony Dalby has called sport scientist Tim Noakes's high-fat diet "criminal".

She warned that following Noakes's high-fat diet to lose weight, but cheating with the odd carbohydrate or a glass of wine, was like ''putting a gun to your head".

Noakes's book has sold more than 100000 copies.




More Ya,ya ,ya wadda wadda wadda indeed, could not agree more.

Is it not coincidental that the good cardiologist also happens to have a diet book on the shelves.  :patch:

I wonder what is more detrimental to my health, skipping out on that bowl of rice or the extra half a ton I carry around..............mmmmmmm difficult one.  ???

Let's see, 49yrs old, 50kg overweight, dieing slowly from acute sleep apnea, bordering on diabetes, cholesterol in the red, severe hypertension.

Four months following uncle Tim's way of eating, sleep like a baby, blood sugar and cholesterol in normal range, blood pressure 120/84, pulse 52bpm and 10-15kg down in weight.

Thanks, I will stick with what works.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on August 05, 2014, 08:16:29 pm
So the wife was not back home early enough last night, I had to see to the kid for food and washing his body stuff as well as supper.

I made a nice chicken breast dish with veg. I phoned my sister whom I speak to once a year on her birthday, only if I forgot the previous year.


I get back to the pc and my food is gone, swiwel chair in front of my pc.

Set a trap this evening, the little shit gets on the chair and turns it, eats my food

He is also on a Tim Noakes diet

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on August 05, 2014, 10:12:29 pm
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bundu on August 05, 2014, 11:08:39 pm
So the wife was not back home early enough last night, I had to see to the kid for food and washing his body stuff as well as supper.

I made a nice chicken breast dish with veg. I phoned my sister whom I speak to once a year on her birthday, only if I forgot the previous year.


I get back to the pc and my food is gone, swiwel chair in front of my pc.

Set a trap this evening, the little shit gets on the chair and turns it, eats my food

He is also on a Tim Noakes diet



 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bie on August 06, 2014, 04:56:21 am
Dit sal hom leer, hy gaan f@kken maer raak.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on August 06, 2014, 08:32:27 pm
shit hy is klaar net tril en ore.

Die gedagte van , n cheat soos n burger tussen in het vir my gewerk. Ek het lank stil gestaan op n gewig, ek weet nie of dit nou was omdat ek die rooi masjien gedoen het nie , maar na my steers burger is ek vanoggend 1.5kg af.

I think you have to keep fooling your body and mind. It will adapt to what you feed it.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 06, 2014, 09:21:55 pm
Let's see, 49yrs old, 50kg overweight, dieing slowly from acute sleep apnea, bordering on diabetes, cholesterol in the red, severe hypertension.

Four months following uncle Tim's way of eating, sleep like a baby, blood sugar and cholesterol in normal range, blood pressure 120/84, pulse 52bpm and 10-15kg down in weight.

Thanks, I will stick with what works.

 :thumleft:

This is my exact story. 4 months down the line. Blood pressure down from 155/100 (after 18 months on chronic) to 120/85. Gone down from a 10mg to a 4mg daily. I'm a happy chappy.

Still loosing, although very slow. About 800-1000g a week. But I have time. I'm in no particular hurry.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on August 07, 2014, 11:16:27 am
ek is nou al amper 4 maande op die eating plan, 5kg verloor en nie n gram daarna nie - het nog nie eenkeer gekroek nie.  Ek het dieselfde tyd weer begin fiets ry en ek is oortuig die 5kg veloor is eerder daaraan te danke..... ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ratel on August 07, 2014, 11:52:09 am
Just over 3 months for me. Lost 14kg. No cheating, no excerise. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: espresso on August 07, 2014, 04:06:26 pm
It just amazes me how many established "highly respected" doctors cannot accept that they just may be wrong!
Their dietary advice that they have been giving out for ages plainly doesn't work, and the Paleo/Banting diet clearly does.
They can rant on and on but the public aren't fools and they can see that they are losing weight and reducing the need for medicine.
The established medical fraternity seem unable to even come out and condemn sugar!
Tim is just promoting the diet that humanity has been eating for millions of years.  The industrial food age is a blip in history.
One can endlessly discuss the exact details of what our ancestors ate, but we surely know what they DIDN'T eat.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: iamgigglz on August 07, 2014, 04:16:36 pm
It just amazes me how many established "highly respected" doctors cannot accept that they just may be wrong!
Their dietary advice that they have been giving out for ages plainly doesn't work, and the Paleo/Banting diet clearly does.
They can rant on and on but the public aren't fools and they can see that they are losing weight and reducing the need for medicine.
The established medical fraternity seem unable to even come out and condemn sugar!
Tim is just promoting the diet that humanity has been eating for millions of years.  The industrial food age is a blip in history.
One can endlessly discuss the exact details of what our ancestors ate, but we surely know what they DIDN'T eat.

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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 08, 2014, 10:14:54 am
Not sure if this is a personal problem only for me, but I can say with good authority that my drinking budget has halved since on this life style. Shit I get pissed quickly. Gisteraand weer my voete rond gedrink van 'n paar whiskeys.

 ???  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on August 08, 2014, 10:18:26 am
Not sure if this is a personal problem only for me, but I can say with good authority that my drinking budget has halved since on this life style. Shit I get pissed quickly. Gisteraand weer my voete rond gedrink van 'n paar whiskeys.

 ???  :biggrin:




Dit gebeur,  wees versigtig as jy op 'n bloedroek pil is wat ook 'n waterpil(diuretic) in het.

Jy sal val, pappie. ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on August 08, 2014, 10:24:52 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on August 08, 2014, 08:10:28 pm
the family is not making it easy.



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 09, 2014, 10:12:16 am
Not sure if this is a personal problem only for me, but I can say with good authority that my drinking budget has halved since on this life style. Shit I get pissed quickly. Gisteraand weer my voete rond gedrink van 'n paar whiskeys.

 ???  :biggrin:




Dit gebeur,  wees versigtig as jy op 'n bloedroek pil is wat ook 'n waterpil(diuretic) in het.

Jy sal val, pappie. ;D

Kan dalk dit wees....

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on August 09, 2014, 10:27:05 am
the family is not making it easy.





 :laughing4:
En dit lyk nog na n tuisgemaakte jam op lekker buns ook.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on August 09, 2014, 10:51:51 am
So waar kan n mens n Noaks breakfast kry ? Maxis het chips en brood as standaard  >:(
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mr Zog on August 09, 2014, 11:49:49 am
Spur het n "Banting breakfast".
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on August 10, 2014, 06:36:52 am
So waar kan n mens n Noaks breakfast kry ? Maxis het chips en brood as standaard  >:(
You don't need to use too much imagination to find Banting breakfast options - Bacon & Eggs, Sausage - Omlettes, Scrambled, Poached, Salmon, cream, tomatoe, peppers, mushrooms all allowed
Mug 'n Bean does a fantastic Mexic style scramble with peppers - very yummy.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: trevorwb on August 10, 2014, 07:13:06 am
117-94kg
Works for me.
I find that you need to modify the diet according to ones activities.
On days that I ride the enduro bike or when going on a days tough ds ride I need more lasting energy.
Basically I will eat good healthy carbs the evening before and for breakfast I will do the jungle oats with a dash of honey.Along the way a few almonds and an apple.Otherwise without realizing it I sink realy low on my energy reserves and it is hard to recover.If we stop on the dp bikes those that eat the carbs at lunch time always seem tired after lunch.
The knees are happier
I sleep well
Not hungry between meals
I ride better.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 10, 2014, 09:48:48 am
So waar kan n mens n Noaks breakfast kry ? Maxis het chips en brood as standaard  >:(
You don't need to use too much imagination to find Banting breakfast options - Bacon & Eggs, Sausage - Omlettes, Scrambled, Poached, Salmon, cream, tomatoe, peppers, mushrooms all allowed
Mug 'n Bean does a fantastic Mexic style scramble with peppers - very yummy.

M&B also does a "Delight" breakfast with pouched egg, ham, cherrie tomatoes, half an apple in slices and a scoop of cream cheese. Just tell them to hold the toast and add half a avo. You're set for the day.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on August 10, 2014, 08:06:17 pm
117-94kg
Works for me.
I find that you need to modify the diet according to ones activities.
On days that I ride the enduro bike or when going on a days tough dp ride I need more lasting energy.
Basically I will eat good healthy carbs the evening before and for breakfast I will do the jungle oats with a dash of honey.Along the way a few almonds and an apple.Otherwise without realizing it I sink realy low on my energy reserves and it is hard to recover.If we stop on the dp bikes those that eat the carbs at lunch time always seem tired after lunch.
The knees are happier
I sleep well
Not hungry between meals
I ride better.

Rather have a high fat breakfast than oats
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: trevorwb on August 10, 2014, 08:16:55 pm
The high fat breakfasts are ok on a normal day ,but they don't give me enough energy later in the morning with high exertion .I find that my energy levels don't taper off ,but,rather seem to crash .
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: IceCreamMan on August 11, 2014, 05:10:43 am
See today's Beeld ...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on August 11, 2014, 05:12:00 am
so what the say?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on August 11, 2014, 06:09:08 am
The biggest benefit of any diet plan is that it makes you aware of how much and what you are stuffing into your mouth, so you naturally eat less. Any dietary advice that tells you to cut down on sugar, refined carbs and trans fats is better than one that promotes the opposite. Unfortunately, this is much too simplistic and nobody is going to make money from it. So they create this whole “science” that they can sell you and furthermore know how to infect followers with an almost religious type of dogmatism that makes them blind to criticism and even conflicting evidence, especially after they’ve lost a few kilos.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ETS on August 11, 2014, 10:31:01 am
See today's Beeld ...

Front page of Volksblad as wel.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mooch on August 11, 2014, 10:53:14 am
Sub...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on August 11, 2014, 11:07:40 am
The biggest benefit of any diet plan is that it makes you aware of how much and what you are stuffing into your mouth, so you naturally eat less. Any dietary advice that tells you to cut down on sugar, refined carbs and trans fats is better than one that promotes the opposite. Unfortunately, this is much too simplistic and nobody is going to make money from it. So they create this whole “science” that they can sell you and furthermore know how to infect followers with an almost religious type of dogmatism that makes them blind to criticism and even conflicting evidence, especially after they’ve lost a few kilos.

Makes sense Ben.
The only "but" I can add is, with this diet I don't go hungry and don't fight the urge to snack all the time.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: windswept on August 11, 2014, 07:38:42 pm
How do you vegetarians cope without carbs? I go well for a week and then drink 12 beers and make a veg bunny ( half loaf ) and then the next day have the rest in another half loaf! Help please.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Operator on August 11, 2014, 07:47:06 pm
Robinson Regstreeks op Kyknet het Woensdagaand vir Tim Noakes in die ateljee vir onderhoud.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on September 08, 2014, 09:02:07 pm
Some new interesting facts from another forum:

The following extracts come from Guyton and Halls Textbook of Medical Physiology one of the most widely used textbooks by medical students, but obviously one whose contents many doctors forget once they start to practice.

Effect of Insulin on Carbohydrate Metabolism
Immediately after a high-carbohydrate meal, the glucose that is absorbed into the blood causes rapid secretion of insulin, which is discussed in detail later in the chapter. The insulin in turn causes rapid uptake, storage, and use of glucose by almost all tissues of the body, but especially by the muscles, adipose tissue, and liver.

Insulin Promotes Muscle Glucose Uptake and Metabolism
During much of the day, muscle tissue depends not on glucose for its energy but on fatty acids. The principal reason for this is that the normal resting muscle membrane is only slightly permeable to glucose, except when the muscle fiber is stimulated by insulin; between meals, the amount of insulin that is secreted is too small to promote significant amounts of glucose entry into the muscle cells. However, under two conditions the muscles do use large amounts of glucose. One of these is during moderate or heavy exercise. This usage of glucose does not require large amounts of insulin, because exercising muscle fibers become more permeable to glucose even in the absence of insulin because of the contraction process itself. The second condition for muscle usage of large amounts of glucose is during the few hours after a meal. At this time the blood glucose concentration is high and the pancreas is secreting large quantities of insulin. The extra insulin causes rapid transport of glucose into the muscle cells. This causes the muscle cell during this period to use glucose preferentially over fatty acids, as we discuss later.

Insulin Promotes Conversion of Excess Glucose into Fatty Acids and Inhibits Gluconeogenesis in the Liver.
When the quantity of glucose entering the liver cells is more than can be stored as glycogen or can be used for local hepatocyte metabolism, insulin promotes the conversion of all this excess glucose into fatty acids. These fatty acids are subsequently packaged as triglycerides in very-low-density lipoproteins and transported in this form by way of the blood to the adipose tissue and deposited as fat. Insulin also inhibits gluconeogenesis. It does this mainly by decreasing the quantities and activities of the liver enzymes required for gluconeogenesis. However, part of the effect is caused by an action of insulin that decreases the release of amino acids from muscle and other extra hepatic tissues and in turn the availability of these necessary precursors required for gluconeogenesis.

Insulin Promotes Fat Synthesis and Storage
Insulin has several effects that lead to fat storage in adipose tissue. First, insulin increases the utilization of glucose by most of the body’s tissues, which automatically decreases the utilization of fat, thus functioning as a fat sparer. However, insulin also promotes fatty acid synthesis. This is especially true when more carbohydrates are ingested than can be used for immediate energy, thus providing the substrate for fat synthesis. Almost all this synthesis occurs in the liver cells, and the fatty acids are then transported from the liver by way of the blood lipoproteins to the adipose cells to be stored.

Role of Insulin in Storage of Fat in the Adipose Cells.
Insulin has two other essential effects that are required for fat storage in adipose cells:
1. Insulin inhibits the action of hormone-sensitive lipase. This is the enzyme that causes hydrolysis of the triglycerides already stored in the fat cells. Therefore, the release of fatty acids from the adipose tissue into the circulating blood is inhibited.
2. Insulin promotes glucose transport through the cell membrane into the fat cells in exactly the same ways that it promotes glucose transport into muscle cells. Some of this glucose is then used to synthesize minute amounts of fatty acids, but more important, it also forms large quantities of α-glycerol phosphate. This substance supplies the glycerol that combines with fatty acids to form the triglycerides that are the storage form of fat in adipose cells. Therefore, when insulin is not available, even storage of the large amounts of fatty acids transported from the liver in the lipoproteins is almost blocked.

Insulin Deficiency Increases Use of Fat for Energy
All aspects of fat breakdown and use for providing energy are greatly enhanced in the absence of insulin. This occurs even normally between meals when secretion of insulin is minimal, but it becomes extreme in diabetes mellitus when secretion of insulin is almost zero. The resulting effects are as follows.

Insulin Deficiency Causes Lipolysis of Storage Fat and Release of Free Fatty Acids.
In the absence of insulin, all the effects of insulin noted earlier that cause storage of fat are reversed. The most important effect is that the enzyme hormone-sensitive lipase in the fat cells becomes strongly activated. This causes hydrolysis of the stored triglycerides, releasing large quantities of fatty acids and glycerol into the circulating blood. Consequently, the plasma concentration of free fatty acids begins to rise within minutes. This free fatty acid then becomes the main energy substrate used by essentially all tissues of the body besides the brain.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on September 09, 2014, 11:39:33 am
So, I have been going strong at about 900g - 1000g weight loss per week for 11 weeks including the accompanied size drop. Love it!
Heartburn disappeared and overall energy levels increased.

Then last week I went on a 5 day hunt including lots of rum&coke zero, loads of beer as well rusks, bread and pap. It was glorious!

The end result was I picked up 4kg in 5 days... :o (Damn I would've made a prize stud bull..)

Yesterday I resumed the diet as well as the exercise, so let's see how well I recover.

Oh yeah, man did I suffer from heartburn on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on September 09, 2014, 06:31:14 pm
I,ve sort of stabilized at 90kg for 2 weeks now.

But I,ve upped my exercise and also hit a cheat now and then.  Stomach seems smaller, actually it is, I had to buy a smaller belt on saturday.

When warmer weather is around I will the USN milkshakes, they are a winner if combined with this eating, vra maar vir mof

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on October 01, 2014, 10:56:30 am
I weighed in at 107.0  kg this morning. Down from 126.6 kg in April. My ideal is just 2 kg's off then I will be a trim 6'4"  :thumleft:

Wow! I feel energetic and healthy!!!!! Why and how did I ever let it get so out of hand :patch: Oh, yes, bread, beer, starches, puddings, sugar..................remember the (bad) ol' days  ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 01, 2014, 11:00:39 am
132kg's about 8 months back, now in at 116kg. Pants down to 40 from a 44. Now the 40 is also loosening up. But not dropping any more. I'll start cycling soon.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Recoil on October 01, 2014, 11:14:20 am
So, I have been going strong at about 900g - 1000g weight loss per week for 11 weeks including the accompanied size drop. Love it!
Heartburn disappeared and overall energy levels increased.

Then last week I went on a 5 day hunt including lots of rum&coke zero, loads of beer as well rusks, bread and pap. It was glorious!

The end result was I picked up 4kg in 5 days... :o (Damn I would've made a prize stud bull..)

Yesterday I resumed the diet as well as the exercise, so let's see how well I recover.

Oh yeah, man did I suffer from heartburn on Sunday.

When Banting one uses up all energy stored in glycogen stores. Carbs also encourage and allow a massive amount of water storage, thus cutting them out will decrease the ability to store water. The result is that much of the weight you lost is in fact not fat, but water and the result of emptying glycogen stores.

The good news, much of the weight you picked was water weight as well as filling back up those glycogen stores. This should come down again.

The problem with Banting is that one gets extremely carb sensitive resulting in exactly what happened to you. Drink a beer and Boom!. Do a bit of reading on Carb Cycling if you are interested, but in short, try and get a bit of healthy carbs (pumpkin, low sugar fruit, sweet potato) every now and then, especially before exercise. This will load up your glycogen stores a tad without squirting insulin all over, reduce carb sensitivity and avoid disappointment.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Boskind27 on October 01, 2014, 01:32:36 pm
Ek het dit ook probeer,maar raak julle nie moeg van bacon en eiers elke oggend nie. Kyk by dag 4 het ek dit lang tand uitgekyk.

Vir die wat super serious is oor die Tim Noakes/Paleo kyk bietjie  na http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/ (http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/)

Hulle is nogals serious oor oefen saam met dit.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on October 01, 2014, 01:52:53 pm
Ek het dit ook probeer,maar raak julle nie moeg van bacon en eiers elke oggend nie. Kyk by dag 4 het ek dit lang tand uitgekyk.

Vir die wat super serious is oor die Tim Noakes/Paleo kyk bietjie  na http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/ (http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/)

Hulle is nogals serious oor oefen saam met dit.

Nee aarde mens wil mos nie elke dag dieselfde goed eet nie.

Ontbyte is my groot ete. Dis enigiets van mince, bacon, wors, patties, lewer (hoender/skaap/bees), Vis , van sardyne tot haddock en kippers, enige vleis denkbaar, plus eiers in enige van 50 formate van omelet tot poach, met groentes, gewoonlik iets soos uie in botter gebraai; groenrissies, spinasie, of ratatouille of uie en tamatie smoor of sommer gemengde groente met kaas en miskien Avokado. Nee, ek mis geen stysels nie, maar  ek bly nie tot die letter by die voorskrifte nie - as ek lus lus is vir 'n stuk Camembert met Pro Vita doen ek dit.

Niks soos sade met joghurt vir middagtete nie, en dalk 'n bord vol rou kool/brokolie/wortel, sampioene met 'n stuk kaas by.

Aand is 'n stuk vleis soos 'n stuk hoender, tjops, steak; wat ookal en een groente soos pampoen, spinasie ens.

Vanmiddag was sade met double cream yougurt en 4 stawberries. Vanaand is vars Hake met iets groente. Gister aand was mossels met kool strippies en uie in botter gesmoor.

Dit vat so effe tyd tot mens se kosbeplanning outomaties als wat stysels is uit te sny, maar dan gaan dit maklik
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on October 01, 2014, 02:04:09 pm
Yogurt het suiker en carbs in
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on October 01, 2014, 02:17:41 pm
Yogurt het suiker en carbs in

Ons gebruik Woolies se double cream unsweetened. Minste oortreding, maar ons is nie so fanateis tot die letter nie. Ons voel goed en leef lekker al kry ons bietjie carbs en suikers in. Die ding werk omdat ons oorspronklik groot hoeveelhede carbs en suikers ingekry het en dit nou tot die minimum gesny het, maar ek hou nie van 'diets' nie, want dan mis ek goed. Soos ons dit doen mis ek niks. Ek was gelukkig nooit iemand wat van Bar one ens. gehou het nie en nooit suiker in koffie of iets gedrink het nie. Hou nie eens van Coke nie -was altyd te intens soet vir my.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on October 01, 2014, 02:19:46 pm
Yogurt het suiker en carbs in

Ons gebruik Woolies se double cream unsweetened. Minste oortreding, maar ons is nie so fanateis tot die letter nie. Ons voel goed en leef lekker al kry ons bietjie carbs en suikers in. Die ding werk omdat ons oorspronklik groot hoeveelhede carbs en suikers ingekry het en dit nou tot die minimum gesny het, maar ek hou nie van 'diets' nie, want dan mis ek goed. Soos ons dit doen mis ek niks. Ek was gelukkig nooit iemand wat van Bar one ens. gehou het nie en nooit suiker in koffie of iets gedrink het nie. Hou nie eens van Coke nie -was altyd te intens soet vir my.

Ek volg self nie baie streng nie, da ek noem maar net vir die wat wel doen  :thumleft:

Sondae is pig out dae dan eet ek net wat de hel ek wil  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 01, 2014, 03:12:11 pm
I haven't been really been banting, or following any specific diet. I decided to just try and avoid bread and sugar, I was quite strict on the bread, probably not as strict on the sugar. I mean no fizzy cool drinks or chocolate or the like, but I still put a teaspoon in my morning coffee.

But I have had a wake up call.

My wife is a very successful business woman, and it shows in the hours she works. I generally get home about 19H00 at night and she is often much later than me. And when you get home at that time, you don't really feel like cooking. There result was we ate a lot of Woolworths meals for dinner.

Then a few weeks ago she heard about The Banting Boys in Table View, just one street behind us, who will make (and even deliver) supper for R50.00 per portion, and they also have a whole heap of other stuff they will prepare for you. To her, it made sense from both a financial and time point of view to give them a try, so we are now banting for the most part I suppose.

The wake up call for me though, was portion size. When the first meal came home in its neat little box I thought "fuccit, I'm gonna starve". But I ate it, drank a nice big glass of water and gave it 15 minutes and found I wasn't hungry at all. I literally ate a third of what I would normally have.

Because usually, we would have a Woolworths warm me up meal to serve 4, and I would polish it, and that seems to be my problem, which I am now addressing in a round about way.

So now I am still avoiding bread and sugar, eating healthier portions at supper time and during the day I will have a protein shake and perhaps some biltong, smoked salmon etc.

I haven't really weighed myself or anything like that but I think I will to see how much smaller portions affect my small problem around the waist, well, I hope its going to become a smaller problem.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Boskind27 on October 01, 2014, 03:13:43 pm
Ek het dit ook probeer,maar raak julle nie moeg van bacon en eiers elke oggend nie. Kyk by dag 4 het ek dit lang tand uitgekyk.

Vir die wat super serious is oor die Tim Noakes/Paleo kyk bietjie  na http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/ (http://www.sleekgeek.co.za/REBOOT/)

Hulle is nogals serious oor oefen saam met dit.

Nee aarde mens wil mos nie elke dag dieselfde goed eet nie.

Ontbyte is my groot ete. Dis enigiets van mince, bacon, wors, patties, lewer (hoender/skaap/bees), Vis , van sardyne tot haddock en kippers, enige vleis denkbaar, plus eiers in enige van 50 formate van omelet tot poach, met groentes, gewoonlik iets soos uie in botter gebraai; groenrissies, spinasie, of ratatouille of uie en tamatie smoor of sommer gemengde groente met kaas en miskien Avokado. Nee, ek mis geen stysels nie, maar  ek bly nie tot die letter by die voorskrifte nie - as ek lus lus is vir 'n stuk Camembert met Pro Vita doen ek dit.

Niks soos sade met joghurt vir middagtete nie, en dalk 'n bord vol rou kool/brokolie/wortel, sampioene met 'n stuk kaas by.

Aand is 'n stuk vleis soos 'n stuk hoender, tjops, steak; wat ookal en een groente soos pampoen, spinasie ens.

Vanmiddag was sade met double cream yougurt en 4 stawberries. Vanaand is vars Hake met iets groente. Gister aand was mossels met kool strippies en uie in botter gesmoor.

Dit vat so effe tyd tot mens se kosbeplanning outomaties als wat stysels is uit te sny, maar dan gaan dit maklik

Sjoe klink lekker. Want lyk ek het bacon al so half vuil begin kyk :)

Danki v al di idees


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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on October 01, 2014, 07:46:20 pm
I haven't been really been banting, or following any specific diet. I decided to just try and avoid bread and sugar, I was quite strict on the bread, probably not as strict on the sugar. I mean no fizzy cool drinks or chocolate or the like, but I still put a teaspoon in my morning coffee.

But I have had a wake up call.

My wife is a very successful business woman, and it shows in the hours she works. I generally get home about 19H00 at night and she is often much later than me. And when you get home at that time, you don't really feel like cooking. There result was we ate a lot of Woolworths meals for dinner.

Then a few weeks ago she heard about The Banting Boys in Table View, just one street behind us, who will make (and even deliver) supper for R50.00 per portion, and they also have a whole heap of other stuff they will prepare for you. To her, it made sense from both a financial and time point of view to give them a try, so we are now banting for the most part I suppose.

The wake up call for me though, was portion size. When the first meal came home in its neat little box I thought "fuccit, I'm gonna starve". But I ate it, drank a nice big glass of water and gave it 15 minutes and found I wasn't hungry at all. I literally ate a third of what I would normally have.

Because usually, we would have a Woolworths warm me up meal to serve 4, and I would polish it, and that seems to be my problem, which I am now addressing in a round about way.

So now I am still avoiding bread and sugar, eating healthier portions at supper time and during the day I will have a protein shake and perhaps some biltong, smoked salmon etc.

I haven't really weighed myself or anything like that but I think I will to see how much smaller portions affect my small problem around the waist, well, I hope its going to become a smaller problem.




once it becomes a way of life , you are there.

The ex and kid had pizza tonight, I am having fresh tuna with a stirfry. bliksems, but then I had some pizza last time and feel much  better having my meat and salads or veg.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Nelis+ on October 01, 2014, 08:42:46 pm
I lost about 6 kg over 2 months, and all my cholesterol readings improved to acceptable levels.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Gotcharater on October 02, 2014, 12:27:01 pm
Well my 2 cents goes like this. Stopped smoking and put on 18kgs. Was well over a hundred for nearly two years and never lost a gram no matter what I did. Over a year ago I decided to start cycling to get fit for my enduro"s witch I was trying to do.
Was told that if i don't loose some weight i would never enjoy cycling hills and never be any good at it. So the Banting started.
At the time I was unsure if  the cycling or Banting was the reason I was loosing weight but whatever it was but I was loosing for sure.
I am sleeping better than ever and don't get that bloated feeling from bread anymore. We just did the Trans baviaans on no carbs and i am down to 94kgs and feeling great. Now i just have to loose my bicycle and get back on the Katoom.  :eek7:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on October 27, 2014, 04:25:36 pm
So what is happening, who is still on, who has dropped off, any progress updates?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on October 27, 2014, 04:29:02 pm
http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23 (http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kneeslider on October 27, 2014, 04:34:17 pm
YAWN, ya ya ya ya, whatever.  ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on October 27, 2014, 04:35:02 pm
I am still on.
Quite strict in terms of food, but I am very slack with the beers over weekends.

I lost the 4 kgs I mentioned previously in about 2 weeks and my normal weight loss resumed after that.

Currently I am just over 13kgs down, it could have been more but alas I love beer... Having done roughly 90min of spinning a week for the last 4 weeks undoubtably also helped.

Thanks Recoil, I will check out the info you shared.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mooch on October 27, 2014, 05:25:49 pm
10 kilos down and I have been hovering there for a while now. But I am very slack and have cheated quite few times lately and still have a few castle lights every week...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 27, 2014, 05:29:41 pm
10 kilos down and I have been hovering there for a while now. But I am very slack and have cheated quite few times lately and still have a few castle lights every week...

16kg down and also standing still for a long time now. Need to get active. Not doing a single thing for exercise yet.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on October 27, 2014, 08:11:14 pm
Ek staan ook nou stil, maar ek kla nie.  Ek het so paartjies verloor.   :biggrin:  Dit is my suksesvolste dieet so vêr. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on October 27, 2014, 08:22:58 pm
I read a peer reviewed study where they found that a lot of people on ultra low carb diets eventually developed impaired thyroid function which slowed down or halted their fat loss. I see Tim Noakes has been receiving  lot of complaints from people who found that the diet stopped working and he has now revised the guidelines regarding the consumption of dairy.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on October 27, 2014, 08:37:22 pm
I had my initial loss and then it stopped, but I don,t overdo the fat and rich foods. I keep it lean meat and veg or salads, with enough alcohol to "melt" the fats.

I think the alcohol might be the problem
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bundu on October 27, 2014, 08:42:57 pm
I had my initial loss and then it stopped, but I don,t overdo the fat and rich foods. I keep it lean meat and veg or salads, with enough alcohol to "melt" the fats.

I think the alcohol might be the problem
:lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wayne on October 27, 2014, 08:50:52 pm
I read a peer reviewed study where they found that a lot of people on ultra low carb diets eventually developed impaired thyroid function which slowed down or halted their fat loss. I see Tim Noakes has been receiving  lot of complaints from people who found that the diet stopped working and he has now revised the guidelines regarding the consumption of dairy.
What is he saying about dairy consumption?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on October 28, 2014, 05:21:11 am
I read a peer reviewed study where they found that a lot of people on ultra low carb diets eventually developed impaired thyroid function which slowed down or halted their fat loss. I see Tim Noakes has been receiving  lot of complaints from people who found that the diet stopped working and he has now revised the guidelines regarding the consumption of dairy.
What is he saying about dairy consumption?

http://citizen.co.za/260452/dairy-products-eaten-caution-tim-noakes/ (http://citizen.co.za/260452/dairy-products-eaten-caution-tim-noakes/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on October 28, 2014, 07:15:57 am
Nothing new, he cautioned about dairy intake 2 years ago.......
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on October 28, 2014, 07:33:08 am
http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23 (http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23)

A fat guy bitching about an eating plan. Imagine that
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 28, 2014, 10:00:55 am
I haven't been really been banting, or following any specific diet. I decided to just try and avoid bread and sugar, I was quite strict on the bread, probably not as strict on the sugar. I mean no fizzy cool drinks or chocolate or the like, but I still put a teaspoon in my morning coffee.

But I have had a wake up call.

My wife is a very successful business woman, and it shows in the hours she works. I generally get home about 19H00 at night and she is often much later than me. And when you get home at that time, you don't really feel like cooking. There result was we ate a lot of Woolworths meals for dinner.

Then a few weeks ago she heard about The Banting Boys in Table View, just one street behind us, who will make (and even deliver) supper for R50.00 per portion, and they also have a whole heap of other stuff they will prepare for you. To her, it made sense from both a financial and time point of view to give them a try, so we are now banting for the most part I suppose.

The wake up call for me though, was portion size. When the first meal came home in its neat little box I thought "fuccit, I'm gonna starve". But I ate it, drank a nice big glass of water and gave it 15 minutes and found I wasn't hungry at all. I literally ate a third of what I would normally have.

Because usually, we would have a Woolworths warm me up meal to serve 4, and I would polish it, and that seems to be my problem, which I am now addressing in a round about way.

So now I am still avoiding bread and sugar, eating healthier portions at supper time and during the day I will have a protein shake and perhaps some biltong, smoked salmon etc.

I haven't really weighed myself or anything like that but I think I will to see how much smaller portions affect my small problem around the waist, well, I hope its going to become a smaller problem.


So in a month I lost about 4 kilograms, but more importantly about 3 inches around the middle. Must also point out though that we are in the gym every day at 05H30 and on weekends if we aren't riding bikes, we will cycle, gym, train at home or go to boot camp at a friends house. And we push our limits when working out, I firmly believe you don't get up at 04H45 to go to the gym to jap, you go there to exercise.

When I read all the pro and against banting reports etc., I still cannot decide whether banting is a good thing or not, especially long term, but what has become very apparent and for me the real reason for my weight loss, is portion size. I am literally eating a third of what I used to on a daily basis due to us buying the meals and having no other crap in the house, so when supper is done its done, if I'm still feeling hungry, I drink water until I don't.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on November 05, 2014, 10:29:26 am
http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23 (http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article.php?id=786313&cid=2014-10-23)

A fat guy bitching about an eating plan. Imagine that

 :laughing4:

Ja nee wat...

His closing paragraph: kilojoule in kilojoule out, right? Wrong!!!!!!
 x amount of kilojoules of soda is so so much worse than the same amount of kilojoules of broccoli for example. Soda, zero nutrients, broccoli packed! Soda, massive sugar spike and insulin release, broccoli slow sustained increase in sugar levels providing sustained energy throughout the day and hardly any insulin release.

so no, a calorie isn't a calorie in the food world. Great documentary to watch: Fed Up!

I gooied 30kg since feb. I went from walking a km or two to running my first half marathon in august  ;D
Eating right and exercise, best thing ive done so far!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on November 05, 2014, 10:34:23 am
30kg... :eek7: Well done!

I'm half way to that number, which is basically my goal.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on November 05, 2014, 12:47:33 pm
8 kg's down and I have not stuck to it proper, but what I have found is that if I eat carbs and starch now I feel bloated, me,, I'm sticking to it, also saving plenty on shit paper.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on November 05, 2014, 02:42:29 pm
 :laughing4:

On Saturday I had a hankering for some crispy white rolls with bacon. Figured I deserved it so I had three.

I cannot explain how "not lekker" I felt afterwards.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on November 05, 2014, 09:15:08 pm
Just the feeling better makes it worth it
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DrDirt on November 05, 2014, 09:19:22 pm
4 months and i have lost 12kg.  Did the egg fast last week lost another 3.5kg
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on November 06, 2014, 07:02:57 am
4 months and i have lost 12kg.  Did the egg fast last week lost another 3.5kg

Vertel bietjie meer, asseblief. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on November 06, 2014, 07:20:07 am
Egg Fast? Sal ook wil weet, maar ek het nou 'n probleem. Ek sal moet weer stysels eet of kleiner klere gaan koop. Lyk heeltyd of ek ouboet se klere dra  :P 20 kg maak 2 groottes in broeke verskil, maar ek staan nou omtrent stil so 4 kilos van my optimale gewig af. Seker die wyn :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on November 06, 2014, 07:43:53 am
4 months and i have lost 12kg.  Did the egg fast last week lost another 3.5kg

Vertel bietjie meer, asseblief. 

+1
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on November 06, 2014, 08:18:38 am
Jis, Eendstop, 20kg is wonderlik.   :thumleft:

Ek sukkel self met die laaste paar. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DrDirt on November 06, 2014, 01:29:04 pm
Egg Fast

Jy kan tussen 6 tot 12 eiers n dag eet. en n stukkie kaas.Vir elke eier moet jy 1 T-lepel botter gebruik indien jy bak.
 Jy kan ook net 3 coke lights drink in n dag.

Dit klink erg ma jy word nie honger nie.

Mense het al tot 5 kg verloor in 7 dae.

Soek ook op  Facebook.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Malibu on November 06, 2014, 01:54:12 pm
Is this the plan?

http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2014/07/egg-fast-diet-menu-plan-low-carb-keto.html (http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2014/07/egg-fast-diet-menu-plan-low-carb-keto.html)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DrDirt on November 06, 2014, 02:17:21 pm
Is this the plan?

http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2014/07/egg-fast-diet-menu-plan-low-carb-keto.html (http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2014/07/egg-fast-diet-menu-plan-low-carb-keto.html)
Yes that is the one, those pancake things are nice.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dusty on November 06, 2014, 02:19:19 pm
Hmmm, I am allergic to egg so I think I will give the egg fast diet a miss  ::)  ;D     Sounds interesting though
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DrDirt on November 06, 2014, 02:22:46 pm
Hmmm, I am allergic to egg so I think I will give the egg fast diet a miss  ::)  ;D     Sounds interesting though
Well Im also allergic to eggs after a week of only eating eggs.
You have to make the egg dishes at night that makes it easier to get thru the week.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sardine on November 07, 2014, 02:11:44 pm
I am by no means overweight. But after staying at a constant weight the last 3 years, I realised I have gained 8kg (3kg in 2 weeks).
So now I have made the decision to eat healthier food, and do some form of exercise every day, even if it is only for a few minutes.

I love potatoes, pasta and bread, and used to have 2 heaped spoons of sugar in my coffee (5 times a day).
The sugar has been reduced to 0.5-1.0 spoon, and I drink coffee once or twice a day.

I have stopped buying bread. My housemates love cheese toasties, and it is really difficult for me to resist. I have allowed myself to have 2 slices french toast once a week.

Potatoes, I have managed to survive without.
Pasta, I will eat in moderation. Maybe once a week.
Only cut back on the starch and carbs about a week ago.

I drink more water and less fizzy stuff.
Breakfast is Futurelife and Museli, or scrambled eggs.
Dinners are an omelette, or steak and veg, or tuna salad. And just got a whole lot of new recipe's :D
Snacks are left-overs, or if no left-overs, not so healthy food  :-\

The big issues for me are that smaller portions (even when stuff like veg and steak) don't fill me up, then I get the munchies. Drives me insane!
And nothing is as good as a cold beer after a day in 35degC+ heat.
Also, there is a stalletjie 20m from where I work, and they sell vetkoek for dirt cheap, as well as lekker slap chips  :drif: :drif: :drif: Must. Resist.

I never used to cook, but now I'm starting to get excited about trying out a new dish.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vulcan on November 07, 2014, 02:53:45 pm
Wel, ek doen nou nie Tim Noakes volgens die boek nie - meer my eie weergawe. Ek het vir die laaste 11 weke 1 kilogram per week verloor en het nog so 7kg om te gaan voor ek my goal bereik. Vir my werk die volgende:

-Geen suiker sover moontlik. Geen vrugtesap of gaskoeldrank met suiker.
-Geen gebak - dit sluit pasteie, brood muffins koek tert en al daai lekker dinge in.
-Geen tjoklits. Dis moeilik want ek laaik tjoklits.
-Net gesonde groente wat min stysel bevat.
-Geen slaptjips.
-As ek by braai of ete kom en daar is bv quiche of pizza, sal ek net die topping eet as daar niks anders is nie. Ek dink aan die base of crust as n carrier vir die kos - mens het dit nie regtig nodig nie. Amper soos bruinpapier :)
-Oefening. Genoeg van die regte soort. Ek persoonlik verkies hoe impak stap vir so 45 minute. Daar is lekker bulte in ons buurt wat n man se kuite warm maak. Het ook nou met resistance training program begin die week en sal kyk hoe hy loop.
-Alkohol. Ek drink nou net rooiwyn en whisky. Geen bier.

Ek dink die belangrikste is om, voor mens met so leefstyl verandering begin, om jou kop reg te kry. Ons is so gewoond aan slegte gewoontes en sleg eet dat dit aanvaarbaar geword het. Sodra mens besef dat dit nie meer n opsie is nie en die switch flip in jou kop, dan is jy reg vir die verandering. Moenie halfpad commit nie, groot resultate vereis groot verandering.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on January 23, 2015, 02:07:45 pm
Updates

Whats been happening?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vulcan on January 23, 2015, 02:17:25 pm
Lost an additional 5kg's. Festive season caused a momentary loss of focus  :(
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 23, 2015, 02:17:52 pm
Dit gaan nog goed, maar ek het nog so paar kg om te verloor.  

Ek het 'n paar lekker resepte gekry - even Cake in a Cup!  Ek gaan die naweek 'n Melktert probeer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Malibu on January 23, 2015, 02:21:01 pm
Down a good few kilo's... many cm's lost.
Only 5 kilo's to go...

Feeling really good, doubt I'll go back to eating carbs and sugars after this...

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bronzy on January 23, 2015, 02:37:45 pm
Easy diet for you !!!

breakfast - jungle oats or future life ,  half hot water ,half milk (no sugar)use  honey to sweeten (1tsp)
or yoghurt plain with berries and one tsp. honey 
Sunday  bacon and eggs (no toast)

lunch roast chicken breast of any meat  and coleslaw or salad  Buy a woollies roast chicken easier (try not eat the skin )or hamburger Pattie with salad .

snack, one apple anytime but not at meal time

Any meat, chicken or fish with  with  salad with fried egg if needed.

no sugar, no other carbs.
coffee/tea as much as you like with milk no sugar
Try drink two litres of water a day
no cold drink
keep nuts unsalted if you craving something eat this will help
No red bull !!!!
takes a week to get into but when you going the scale will show the difference
if you have to drink whiskey and water is the way to go !!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 23, 2015, 03:00:43 pm
Bronzy, that is not quite a Banting menu.

Honey and fruit are high in carbs, as is milk.

I drink my coffee either black or with cream(actually has less carbs than milk), 1 or 2 cups a day with Xylitol in the morning cup.

When you have chicken you should have the skin as well as the fat is the ingredient that keeps you satisfied and the cravings away.

I have lost 17kg and about 2 pants sizes in 7 months or so. December was difficult for me too, picked up 3kg, 2 of which I have subsequently dropped again.

I don't really struggle with food discipline but ooooh beer...... :bar:

If you have enough fat then it is not difficult to eat smaller portions and not have cravings.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on January 23, 2015, 03:04:02 pm
I dropped from 92 to 84 but I'm back on 89 again  :-[

Damn you December holidays......
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 23, 2015, 03:21:25 pm
86 to 76 then the festive season,, picked up 4 and lost 2 1/2 now in Jan
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on January 23, 2015, 03:27:02 pm
Losing very slowly now. Have not gained over festive season as I have changed my lifestyle completely and still did not eat carbs/sugars over festive season. At 104kg's for my 1.94 m body (from 126 kg in April 2014), just about right. I cannot see myself eating carbs as main food-source ever again. I've never been much of a sweets and cakes eater in any case, but I did like my toast with brekkie and rice with all meals. Now simply replaced that with a veggie on the plate.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 23, 2015, 03:47:20 pm
Losing very slowly now. Have not gained over festive season as I have changed my lifestyle completely and still did not eat carbs/sugars over festive season. At 104kg's for my 1.94 m body (from 126 kg in April 2014), just about right. I cannot see myself eating carbs as main food-source ever again. I've never been much of a sweets and cakes eater in any case, but I did like my toast with brekkie and rice with all meals. Now simply replaced that with a veggie on the plate.  :thumleft:

Wow!
Well done!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 23, 2015, 08:14:26 pm
The best part of the no carbs is the absence of farting and burping,, fuck the weight,,,,,
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on January 24, 2015, 07:37:17 am
Bronzy, that is not quite a Banting menu.

Honey and fruit are high in carbs, as is milk.

I drink my coffee either black or with cream(actually has less carbs than milk), 1 or 2 cups a day with Xylitol in the morning cup.

When you have chicken you should have the skin as well as the fat is the ingredient that keeps you satisfied and the cravings away.

I have lost 17kg and about 2 pants sizes in 7 months or so. December was difficult for me too, picked up 3kg, 2 of which I have subsequently dropped again.

I don't really struggle with food discipline but ooooh beer...... :bar:

If you have enough fat then it is not difficult to eat smaller portions and not have cravings.

Wow, goed gedoen Deon!

I made the lifestyle change just over two years ago. Lost 10kg's within 3 months. Now standing at nearly 20 kg's since start and at 85kg, I'm lighter than I was in matric 22 years ago. Bloodwork, BP etc better than ever.

The best part of it it all? It's effortless!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on January 24, 2015, 07:43:34 am
Easy diet for you !!!

breakfast - jungle oats or future life ,  half hot water ,half milk (no sugar)use  honey to sweeten (1tsp)

Futurelife loaded with carbs and other unhealthy additives!..... Check box
Added soya, maize, sucrose, vegetable oil(palm and sunflower)

Not banting and certainly not "real food"
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 25, 2015, 09:33:14 pm
Just watched 3+ hours of stuff on banting/Noakes diets again,, I am still convinced I will live forever,, i just need to stop smoking though
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 26, 2015, 10:33:24 am
Just watched 3+ hours of stuff on banting/Noakes diets again,, I am still convinced I will live forever,, i just need to stop smoking though

You're already a grumpy old bastid, if you stop smoking we're all doomed....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kaboef on January 26, 2015, 10:49:29 am
Easy diet for you !!!

breakfast - jungle oats or future life ,  half hot water ,half milk (no sugar)use  honey to sweeten (1tsp)

Futurelife loaded with carbs and other unhealthy additives!..... Check box
Added soya, maize, sucrose, vegetable oil(palm and sunflower)

Not banting and certainly not "real food"
.
That's the thing few people get.

All breakfast cereals are poison.
It's empty carbs and sugars and shit thrown together.

There is no such thing as a healthy breakfast cereal.
The best you can do it raw oats, but then you still need fat.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 26, 2015, 10:54:44 am
Just stick to eggs and any incarnation of smoked pork meat for breakfast. Easy.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 26, 2015, 11:08:15 am
Just stick to eggs and any incarnation of smoked pork meat for breakfast. Easy.



I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with nuts and desiccated coconut.

Be warned of certain sausages that contain cereals etc.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on January 26, 2015, 11:08:55 am
My favourite breakfast when I’m in training is half a cup of rolled oats, to which I add boiling water, cover and let stand for 10 minutes. I then add two scoops of whey protein, half a teaspoon of cocoa powder and a tablespoon of natural peanut butter. I find that I have recover much quicker and have more energy than on a fat and protein only breakfast.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 26, 2015, 11:36:27 am

I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with nuts and desiccated coconut.

Be warned of certain sausages that contain cereals etc.

Yes! Stay away from supermarket sausages, even labeled boerewors. Try and shop for those at an independent butcher and the only additive will be some ice water.

This is breakfast on Saturdays (baconwors, skilpaaitjies, eggs and cheese), week days are mostly just eggs and bacon.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/Toffie12/imagejpg1_zps6b0727ea.jpg)

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on January 26, 2015, 12:24:47 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 26, 2015, 12:26:43 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese


 :thumleft:
Gaan hom probeer,lyk goed
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Warren Ellwood on January 26, 2015, 12:30:35 pm
This December and Christmas period was not kind to me, between the work stress of the busy season, Xmas functions etc, I went backwards even more quickly than I thought.

From today, all my staff are back at work, the Banting Boys are open again so its back on the bus I keep falling off.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 26, 2015, 12:31:39 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese


Lekker Wolweseun!

Mix all ingredients, add to pan and bake on 180 for 10min I am guessing?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on January 26, 2015, 12:38:38 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese


Lekker Wolweseun!

Mix all ingredients, add to pan and bake on 180 for 10min I am guessing?

yip
about 30mins
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Slaaiblaar on January 26, 2015, 12:38:48 pm
Big problem, if you cheat on this diet and want to go back it might not work again. I've lost 15 KG and was doing this diet for almost 4 years. Cheated for a month while on holiday in July last year. Went back to diet but can not get back to my old weight.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Berg Man on January 26, 2015, 12:44:40 pm
That is an apparent problem. The long term effects are not known yet and there are mutterings around that it could make insulin sensitivity worse, or rather, make our bodies less effective at processing carbs etc.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 26, 2015, 12:44:49 pm
Just stick to eggs and any incarnation of smoked pork meat for breakfast. Easy.



I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with nuts and desiccated coconut.

Be warned of certain sausages that contain cereals etc.
I also like Greek
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 26, 2015, 01:02:16 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese


Nice! I also do a bacon and egg muffin for breakfast

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 26, 2015, 01:18:01 pm
Vintage are you losing weight by just taking pics of your food?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: monkeyboy on January 26, 2015, 01:24:41 pm
Easy diet for you !!!

breakfast - jungle oats or future life ,  half hot water ,half milk (no sugar)use  honey to sweeten (1tsp)

Futurelife loaded with carbs and other unhealthy additives!..... Check box
Added soya, maize, sucrose, vegetable oil(palm and sunflower)

Not banting and certainly not "real food"
.
That's the thing few people get.

All breakfast cereals are poison.
It's empty carbs and sugars and shit thrown together.

There is no such thing as a healthy breakfast cereal.
The best you can do it raw oats, but then you still need fat.


And a well-ventilated office. Oats has the same effect on people as it does on racehorses.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 26, 2015, 01:31:46 pm
Vintage are you losing weight by just taking pics of your food?

No. But I'm exploring all avenues. You never know.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on January 26, 2015, 01:36:04 pm
those bacon egg muffins looking good  :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 26, 2015, 03:08:53 pm
Cut breakfast altogether
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 26, 2015, 03:11:25 pm
Cut breakfast altogether

NO!!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on January 26, 2015, 06:18:44 pm



[/quote]

I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with nuts and desiccated coconut.

Be warned of certain sausages that contain cereals etc.
[/quote] I also like Greek
[/quote]

you and JDog!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: OMO on January 26, 2015, 09:51:19 pm
It is good to see this thread still going strong. I have not been following it all the time, but from what I can gather, some great results achieved by some.

I would like to make a change as well, knew I was picking up some extra kilo's, but did not expect the shock I got after getting on a scale...I came across this site:  http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/ (http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/)  I have red up on some of the stuff on this site and my reason for posting it here is simple, the recipes are easy to follow and everything is set out nicely on the site. Maybe some of you are tired of the same food/recipes.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but is it possible to start a recipe thread with some of the great and favourite recipes that you have prepare and tried, with some pics of the end result, etc?
I see that bacon is quite popular, anyone making their own, is it cheaper to make your own or buy at the shop?





Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 27, 2015, 05:04:10 am
It is good to see this thread still going strong. I have not been following it all the time, but from what I can gather, some great results achieved by some.

I would like to make a change as well, knew I was picking up some extra kilo's, but did not expect the shock I got after getting on a scale...I came across this site:  http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/ (http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/)  I have red up on some of the stuff on this site and my reason for posting it here is simple, the recipes are easy to follow and everything is set out nicely on the site. Maybe some of you are tired of the same food/recipes.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but is it possible to start a recipe thread with some of the great and favourite recipes that you have prepare and tried, with some pics of the end result, etc?
I see that bacon is quite popular, anyone making their own, is it cheaper to make your own or buy at the shop?







http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146356.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146356.0)

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on January 27, 2015, 03:34:45 pm




I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with nuts and desiccated coconut.

Be warned of certain sausages that contain cereals etc.
[/quote] I also like Greek
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you and JDog!  :imaposer:
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 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

yeah baby!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 27, 2015, 04:49:45 pm
I was 76 when the Xmas season started, I was 80 when it finished (8 Jan) Then I went back on the diet but cheating quite a bit,, few day's ago decided to get serious again,, just got on the scales,,, 75 kg's,, 1 under target,, new target 73 then I will start training!! if I see this Noakes cat he can go Greek on me !!!lol
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 29, 2015, 11:16:12 am
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese


Het die vir my gemaak. Halwe teelepel bakpoeir by gegooi (light en fluffy ?)
Nie baie lekker gewees nie,helfte weggegooi want dit het n seep smaak vir my  :lol8:
Gaan weer probeer maar miskien met mince en bietjie spice.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 29, 2015, 11:18:47 am
Iemand nie n lekker low carb sop resep nie ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 29, 2015, 11:25:39 am
Iemand nie n lekker low carb sop resep nie ?

Ek sal bietjie uitkyk.  Hou jy van 'n dik-creamy sop of iets dunner? 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 29, 2015, 11:42:39 am
Nie baie lekker gewees nie,helfte weggegooi want dit het n seep smaak vir my  :lol8:

Is jy seker jy het bakpoeier ingesit? Dit is bacon en cheddar kaas en feta kaas, hoe op dees aarde kry jy dit om soos seep te proe? As jy bacon om 'n ou plakkie draai is dit lekker  >:D

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 29, 2015, 11:51:25 am
Iemand nie n lekker low carb sop resep nie ?

Ek sal bietjie uitkyk.  Hou jy van 'n dik-creamy sop of iets dunner? 

Hou van altwee maar n dikker creamy sop sal lekker wees  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 29, 2015, 11:53:04 am
Nie baie lekker gewees nie,helfte weggegooi want dit het n seep smaak vir my  :lol8:

Is jy seker jy het bakpoeier ingesit? Dit is bacon en cheddar kaas en feta kaas, hoe op dees aarde kry jy dit om soos seep te proe? As jy bacon om 'n ou plakkie draai is dit lekker  >:D



Sit self en wonder of ek die tray dalk nie goed afgespoel het nie. Gaan more weer n batch maak  :ricky:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ETS on January 29, 2015, 11:53:54 am
Dis n BIKE forum die mense :peepwall: :pot: :3some: ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 29, 2015, 11:57:21 am
Dis n BIKE forum die mense :peepwall: :pot: :3some: ::) ::) ::)

Ja maar hier is n moerse klomp dikgatte op die forum  :eek7:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on January 29, 2015, 11:58:22 am
Iemand nie n lekker low carb sop resep nie ?

Sop is mos maklik. Braai die veggies van jou keuse in die oond met seasoning en olie, soteer mirepoix in 'n pot met kruie van jou keuse, gooi die gaar veggies en stock by die mirepoix, kook vir 'n ruk, blend die hele mengsel. Sit mushrooms/crispy bacon/kaas/room/mosterd/vleis by as jy wil afhangende van watse tipe sop jy soek. Wissel jou groente/stock verhouding om die sop dukker of dunner te maak
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DeepBass9 on January 29, 2015, 06:51:16 pm
I have a wood stove to cook on. Fetch and chop the wood first, then you can eat as many carbs as you like!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Eendstop on January 29, 2015, 07:31:40 pm
Nog 'n goeie draad insymoer.... Fawwkk!  Ek ban sommer myself van bevokgeit O0
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: OMO on January 29, 2015, 08:32:32 pm
It is good to see this thread still going strong. I have not been following it all the time, but from what I can gather, some great results achieved by some.

I would like to make a change as well, knew I was picking up some extra kilo's, but did not expect the shock I got after getting on a scale...I came across this site:  http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/ (http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/)  I have red up on some of the stuff on this site and my reason for posting it here is simple, the recipes are easy to follow and everything is set out nicely on the site. Maybe some of you are tired of the same food/recipes.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but is it possible to start a recipe thread with some of the great and favourite recipes that you have prepare and tried, with some pics of the end result, etc?
I see that bacon is quite popular, anyone making their own, is it cheaper to make your own or buy at the shop?







http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146356.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=146356.0)



Dankie Mev Vis Arend :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 30, 2015, 07:46:32 am
Stomach is now flat with no effort,, been many years,, hell it's just about giving me a hardon,,, Noakes/Banting  you are my hero !!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Malibu on January 30, 2015, 08:04:29 am
Just need some feedback on the Cholesterol issue. 
Apparently, some guys are having problems with theirs. 
Is this likely to happen only if you 'sneak' that odd beer or sarmie? or can it happen due to other factors?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on January 30, 2015, 08:57:51 am
I would recommend that you read up about latest views on cholesterol and how our "old view" is probably very very wrong.

Your overall chol is not a risk factor (your GP WILL DISAGREE) but rather the particle size of your LDL. Small is bad, large is good. Refined carbs and vegetable oils etc cause a rise in small LDL as well as Trigliserides -BAD!

A rise in total cholesterol is probably not an issue at all.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on January 30, 2015, 09:13:18 am
I would recommend that you read up about latest views on cholesterol and how our "old view" is probably very very wrong.

Your overall chol is not a risk factor (your GP WILL DISAGREE) but rather the particle size of your LDL. Small is bad, large is good. Refined carbs and vegetable oils etc cause a rise in small LDL as well as Trigliserides -BAD!

A rise in total cholesterol is probably not an issue at all.
Agreed, but medical assessments with the likes of Discovery or insurance cover still holds to the old interpretation and that could be a problem
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on January 30, 2015, 02:45:36 pm
Cholesterol  is a repair mechanism,, it only clog's up where carbs have damaged arteries,, no carbs no damage
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Smidty on February 02, 2015, 01:43:34 pm
I make Breakfast muffins for when i need a quick breakfast or bite to eat

I can also cycle up to 4hours with one of these and some Marscapone cheese or Creme Fraiche

200-250ml of cream
6 eggs
packet of streaky bacon
cheddar or feta cheese




Tried it this weekend, should have filled the pan ::) ::) ::)

Came out very nice, will be making this a lot, thanks  :thumleft: :thumleft:


(http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx155/smidty_2009/WP_001238_zpsbtrytroc.jpg) (http://s751.photobucket.com/user/smidty_2009/media/WP_001238_zpsbtrytroc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tdm on February 02, 2015, 01:56:27 pm
that looks sooooooo good
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Hamilton on February 02, 2015, 05:20:47 pm
I'm new to this banting. Started 4 weeks ago after the festive break. 7 kgs gone in 4 weeks. so in 60 weeks I will be gone.
Missing my chips and chocolate. Gone from about 8 millers a day to 2 Castle lights and 4 whiskey and water per day. I feel a lot better and sleep a lot better. Thanks for this thread.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Road Hog on February 02, 2015, 05:24:30 pm
I would like to have the diet, can someone please forward to me. cjsnyman@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on February 02, 2015, 05:42:54 pm
I would like to have the diet, can someone please forward to me. cjsnyman@yahoo.com


Done!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ALLEN I on February 02, 2015, 05:53:13 pm
I would like to have the diet, can someone please forward to me. cjsnyman@yahoo.com


Done!

Me too please intruders@telkomsa.net 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mooch on February 03, 2015, 04:07:41 pm
I would like to have the diet, can someone please forward to me. cjsnyman@yahoo.com


Done!

e-mail it to me too please bud.  marc.dods@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on February 03, 2015, 04:53:31 pm
Dit is nie my grappie nie ..... het dit op face book gekry, maar lekker gelag. 



What happened to the bigger penis advert ?

Almond flour made mine much bigger...

 Or at least my stomach is flat so I can see it now

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Beemer Mike on February 03, 2015, 05:11:31 pm
As a type 2 Diabetic I would be very interested in a copy of this too please: lemongas@mweb.co.za.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 03, 2015, 06:18:28 pm
Dit is nie my grappie nie ..... het dit op face book gekry, maar lekker gelag. 



What happened to the bigger penis advert ?

Almond flour made mine much bigger...

 Or at least my stomach is flat so I can see it now

 :imaposer:

hahahaha!!
Combined with some manscaping, it does wonders...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 03, 2015, 07:59:07 pm
74.5 kg's,, my willy looks fucking huge now !!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on February 03, 2015, 08:12:03 pm
I have no idea if I have lost weight, still cannot see the dial.... ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: CrazyPorra on February 04, 2015, 07:37:44 am
Please send me a copy, esajoda@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KiLRoy on February 04, 2015, 07:54:16 am
Me to - hizen@hotmail.co.za
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Diesel & Dust on February 04, 2015, 07:58:49 am
Just need some feedback on the Cholesterol issue. 
Apparently, some guys are having problems with theirs. 
Is this likely to happen only if you 'sneak' that odd beer or sarmie? or can it happen due to other factors?

My results after two years on banting

Cholestrol - s (ideal 5 and lower) 2012 - 7.2 / 2014 -5.4 (this is the bad one)
Triliseried -s (ideal 1.7 and lower) 2012 - 2.28 / 2014 -1.33
Cholestrol HDL - s (ideal 1 ad higher) 2012 - 1.43 /2014 1.5 (this is the good one)
LDL cholestrol (ideal 3 and lower) 2012 4.5 / 2014 - 3.5

So all my cholestrol is moving in the right direction and I have lost 20 kg's
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: HANS BOORMAN on February 04, 2015, 01:42:10 pm
Me too,please nick@hiqupt.biz

Thanx
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Road Hog on February 04, 2015, 02:01:35 pm
Lyk my die Wilddogs bestaan meeste net uit n klomp dik gatte.  :peepwall:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Andre E on February 04, 2015, 02:03:49 pm
Lyk my die Wilddogs bestaan meeste net uit n klomp dik gate.  :peepwall:  :imaposer:

Jy kry nie 'n vet bees dood le in die veld nie..... ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 04, 2015, 02:04:53 pm
Lyk my die Wilddogs bestaan meeste net uit n klomp dik gate.  :peepwall:  :imaposer:

Oorweeg dalk hierdie boek...

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Road Hog on February 04, 2015, 02:07:19 pm
Lyk my die Wilddogs bestaan meeste net uit n klomp dik gate.  :peepwall:  :imaposer:

Oorweeg dalk hierdie boek...



 :laughing4:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on February 04, 2015, 04:04:05 pm
Lyk my die Wilddogs bestaan meeste net uit n klomp dik gate.  :peepwall:  :imaposer:

Oorweeg dalk hierdie boek...



Beste boek wat ek in my lewe al ooit gelees het.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bomber on February 10, 2015, 01:56:46 pm
http://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/cut-the-fat-advice-was-a-mistake-1.1815883#.VNnx0y75vOA (http://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/cut-the-fat-advice-was-a-mistake-1.1815883#.VNnx0y75vOA)


"A study found that guidelines issued as early as 1977 suggesting that fat should form no more than 30 percent of daily food intake to reduce the risk of heart disease were based on data from "a small number of unhealthy men" and were not justified by the research available at the time.

The study said: "It seems incomprehensible that dietary advice was introduced to 220 million Americans and 56 million UK citizens, given the contrary results from a small number of unhealthy men.

"The present review concludes that dietary advice not merely needs review; it should not have been introduced."

Experts said there was now ample evidence which showed a link between dietary fat and heart disease, but suggested the emphasis placed on saturated fat as the "main dietary villain" had distracted attention from other risk factors such as sugars and carbohydrates. Victoria Taylor, a dietitian at the British Heart Foundation, said: "We continue to recommend switching saturated fat for unsaturated fat."

The Daily Mail reports that the guidelines - the first of their kind - were introduced when as much as one-fifth of the average British diet was saturated fat such as butter, cream and fattier cuts of meat.

Britons were advised by an official dietary committee to cut their fat intake to 30 percent of total energy and saturated fat intake to 10 percent, while increasing the amount of carbohydrate they ate. This led food makers to create low-fat spreads, including cholesterol-lowering products, while consumers shunned cheese, milk and cream.

However, now some scientists say the advice is responsible - in part - for the obesity crisis because it encouraged an increase in carbohydrate in our diets.

 

Reacting to the new review, many public health and nutrition scientists criticised the conclusions in the online BMJ journal Open Heart, saying wider evidence at the time and since has justified the advice and heart deaths have fallen dramatically.

The researchers carried out a review of data from trials that would have been available to UK and US regulators at the time. These trials were regarded as the "gold standard" of medical testing.

Six relevant trials were found, spanning an average of five years, and involving 2,467 men - most of whom had survived a heart attack or similar event.

The trials looked at the relationship between dietary fat, cholesterol, and coronary heart disease. The review found no difference in heart deaths, regardless of whether people were on a high fat or lower fat diet.

Professor Iain Broom, of the Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen, said there was now mounting evidence against the introduction of low-fat diets to combat heart disease.

Yet governments in both the US and UK have "practically destroyed the dairy industry by suggesting that butter, cheese and full fat milk increased cardiovascular disease risk, when the contrary is true," he said.

Professor Broom also said advice to increase carbohydrate consumption to 50 percent of energy intake was blamed by some experts for an epidemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes.

He said: "It is now time for the UK Government to grasp the nettle and stop an uncontrolled experiment, which has gone global and may have had bad outcomes in terms of the obesity explosion and creating a more unhealthy nation with the current idea of 'healthy eating'.

The review was led by Zoe Harcombe, Institute of Clinical Exercise and Health Science, University of the West of Scotland, Hamilton, and Dr James DiNicolantonio, Saint Luke’s Mid America Heart Institute, Kansas City.

In 1983, the country was told to reduce its overall fat consumption to 30 percent. Official guidelines were changed in 1991 raising this to 35 percent, but saturated fats remained at 10 percent.

This advice has remained unchanged even though new studies have continued to suggest that there is no association between heart disease and those fats.

Last year a US research scientist called for a campaign telling people they had been taken down the "wrong dietary road for decades" in avoiding saturated fat while not being warned about eating too much carbohydrate and sugar.

It is not the first time experts have blamed faulty interpretation of studies for creating a "myth" around the role played by saturated fat in heart disease.

Researchers last year conducted a "meta-analysis" of data from 72 studies involving more than 600,000 participants from 18 countries. It is a statistically powerful technique to reveal trends that may be masked in individual small studies, but which become obvious when they are amalgamated.

A key finding was that total saturated fat, whether measured in the diet or the bloodstream, showed no association with heart disease.

But cardiologist Dr Rahul Bahl, of the Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust, also writing in Open Heart, said: "There is certainly a strong argument that an over-reliance in public health on saturated fat as the main dietary villain for cardiovascular disease has distracted from the risks posed by other nutrients, such as carbohydrates.

"Yet replacing one caricature with another does not feel like a solution."

Professor Tom Sanders, of King’s College London, said in the 1970-80s the UK and other Western countries were facing an epidemic of coronary heart disease.

He said: "It was effectively a policy choice between sitting on the fence and doing nothing or opting to follow what the evidence suggested - that cutting total fat intake would help prevent obesity and reducing saturated fat would lower blood cholesterol. Anyway it seems to have turned out okay- between 1997 and 2007/8 cardiovascular disease mortality under the age of 75 years fell by 55 percent."
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fudmucker on February 10, 2015, 02:30:43 pm
I have insulin resistance.  That means that my body is resisting the transfer of glucose from the bloodstream into the cells.
So my pancreas ups the insulin level to force it in.
After a time, the pancreas gets overworked and ceases/reduces insulin production.  Then you have type 2 diabetes...

What kicks in the production of insulin?  Carbohydrates!
So I'm cutting right back on carbs, eating lots of leafy veggies and protein.
(I'm on statin drugs for high cholestrol because low cholestrol diets only reduce total cholestrol minimally.)

I only have carbs at breakfast (1 slice toast) to give me energy for the day.
I don't take sugar in tea or coffee and avoid food with hidden sugar like tomato sauce and peanut butter.
I've gone to the sugar free brands instead.
I don't use xylitol (IT IS POISONOUS TO DOGS, BTW!) as I prefer to get my taste buds used to less sweetness.
If you want to reduce sugar in tea and coffee, don't cut back... Drop it completely until your taste buds are recalibrated, then try just a half teaspoon of sugar - it'll taste like syrup in comparison.
 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 10, 2015, 04:32:42 pm
go on the fat diet,, it will do wonders for your diabetes
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: T Rex on February 10, 2015, 05:08:35 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on February 11, 2015, 07:39:06 am
Or  go sailing for a month - lost 4 kg's  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Malibu on February 11, 2015, 08:05:49 am
Mass loss of body fluids and solids through the upper orifice does that to you....




;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on February 11, 2015, 08:15:54 am
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bronzy on February 11, 2015, 10:32:49 am
Easy diet for you !!!

breakfast - jungle oats or future life ,  half hot water ,half milk (no sugar)use  honey to sweeten (1tsp)

Futurelife loaded with carbs and other unhealthy additives!..... Check box
Added soya, maize, sucrose, vegetable oil(palm and sunflower)

Not banting and certainly not "real food"
.
That's the thing few people get.

All breakfast cereals are poison.
It's empty carbs and sugars and shit thrown together.

There is no such thing as a healthy breakfast cereal.
The best you can do it raw oats, but then you still need fat.


down  8 kilos today on my little diet from the 5th jan 2015 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 11, 2015, 11:30:36 am
This way of eating is a revelation,, 12kg's 

Pro's

Can fit into kit from 12 years ago
 flat stomach
 no more love handles
 only one chin
Feeling great
willy looks fucking huge with no boep in the way
plenty energy
less weight on bike is like having more power

Con's

Need to buy new clothing
too attractive to the girls now
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 11, 2015, 11:41:05 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Too attractive....untill you open your mouth...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 11, 2015, 11:53:44 am
Jealousy makes you a nasty fukker !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Soxx on February 11, 2015, 12:09:34 pm
willy looks fucking huge with no boep in the way
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 11, 2015, 01:13:00 pm
This way of eating is a revelation,, 12kg's 

Pro's

Can fit into kit from 12 years ago
 flat stomach
 no more love handles
 only one chin
Feeling great
willy looks fucking huge with no boep in the way
plenty energy
less weight on bike is like having more power

Con's

Need to buy new clothing
too attractive to the girls now


nicely done!

WHats your general breakfast/lunch/supper?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 11, 2015, 03:17:40 pm
I only eat once a day,, have done for 30 years
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 11, 2015, 04:47:41 pm
I only eat once a day,, have done for 30 years

So what is that? and breakfast or supper?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 11, 2015, 05:59:33 pm
Supper, and a big one at that
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 12, 2015, 12:21:37 am
Fuck me,, all the weight calculators reckon that I should be 66kg's for my 5'7" height,, moer i have dropped 12 and need to drop another 8 gonna be able to squeeze through burglar bars like the ninjas
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 12, 2015, 07:11:34 am
Those calculators are bullshit. They reckon I should weigh 88kg.... ::) Thats what I weighed in Std 8...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on February 12, 2015, 07:13:32 am
Thats what I weighed in Std 8...

Is jy al so lank dik?  >:D

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 12, 2015, 08:30:49 am
Thats what I weighed in Std 8...

Is jy al so lank dik?  >:D



Story of my life....

drol
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on February 12, 2015, 08:47:34 am
Thats what I weighed in Std 8...

Is jy al so lank dik?  >:D



Story of my life....

drol

HAHAHAHAHA! Myne ook......

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 12, 2015, 02:08:48 pm
Kak Jurie, I saw pic's of you in Israel with a piece of fresh ass,,, you let yourself go,, you ate your kid's share of the food and drank the street's share of beer,,,, I on the other hand am lucky,,, I have always been fucking good looking,,,,hahahahaha
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 12, 2015, 02:15:17 pm
Fascinating what some weight loss can do for someone's self esteem....or dementia in this case....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 12, 2015, 02:59:11 pm
it's called an "Acid flashback" Bud !! lol
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 13, 2015, 09:38:40 am
so, after discovering oros is 33% sugar and thats whats been causing me not to loose weight quickly I have not cut it out  :patch:

What, besides water do you guys drink that is not sugar with water added....

I am not a big fan of just water and usually add some lemon juice for taste, but to much lemon juice is also not good for you.

To give you an indication, i can easily drink 3-4liters of water a day.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 13, 2015, 09:44:20 am
That's what I do, 3-4L of water a day. About 70/30 split between still and sparkling.
1 or 2 coffee's with cream in the morning. (Cream contains less carbs than milk).
In the evening either whisky and soda or a lite beer or 2 and then more water.

Yes I know beer is a no no, but thats my cheat.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 13, 2015, 09:52:44 pm
20-30 cups of tea a day !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fudmucker on February 14, 2015, 10:37:48 pm
What, besides water do you guys drink that is not sugar with water added....

Make punch...!
Try fruit juices diluted with weak Rooibos tea...
I put a pot with 1,5 lires hot water and two teabags.
I let it brew about 15-20 minutes, remove the tea bags and refrigerate.
My favourite is Liquifruit Cranberry Cooler, but clear apple and grape are also good.
Dilute 1 part fruit juice with 4-5 parts cold tea.
50ml juice gives you a whole glass of cool, refreshing flavour.
Serve over lots of ice and a slice of lemon or mint.
Looks lekker and tastes great.

(Stick to the clear fruit juices as the cloudy ones can look odd in a glass.)
You are not excluding sugar, but greatly reducing it instead.

You can also go the understatement option.
Drink ice cold water with just a quarter teaspoon of lemon juice stirred in.
It changes the taste of the water with a just hint of flavour.
Refreshing and almost zero carbs or calories...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 14, 2015, 11:28:23 pm
Hell we actually sound like a bunch of overweight ladies from the mid 80's
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fudmucker on February 17, 2015, 03:49:44 am
Hell we actually sound like a bunch of overweight ladies from the mid 80's

Sc, I look like an overweight lady from the 80's, so...I
After a visit to my Internist, she put me on a diet similar to TN's but without the fats and oils.
(She doesn't agree with him..!)
It bunged me up so bad I needed suppositories and an enema to clear it.

So I'm back on my original natural appetite diet, now with reduced quantities
and zero carbs after breakfast.  No constipation and my appetite is manageable.
Whenever I feel peckish, I drink a glass of ICE COLD water.
Refreshing and reduces the urge for food.



 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 17, 2015, 06:52:02 pm
Fudmucker,, try the saturated fat's bud,, it really works,, so much so that I almost get a HOn when I see how flat my belly is !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on February 17, 2015, 06:58:31 pm
Fudmucker,, try the saturated fat's bud,, it really works,, so much so that I almost get a HOn when I see how flat my belly is !

Is a lamb chop a sat fat?  :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 17, 2015, 11:40:34 pm
yip, cooked in butter with sauce made out of cream,,, and lot's of it,,, one month you will think faaaark,,, 3 months you will walk past all carbs/sugars and laugh
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on February 18, 2015, 07:04:31 am
20-30 cups of tea a day !

Ek is bly om te sien dat dit nie net ek is wat so baie drink nie.  Myne is egter baie flou swart koffie met genoeg versoeters daarin.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: tgg on February 18, 2015, 10:11:21 pm
Whiskey gives water a decent taste, no sugar but appears to be fattening
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 19, 2015, 06:48:50 am
Whiskey gives water a decent taste, no sugar but appears to be fattening

I love this kind of water....only problem is i dont think my boss would appreciate it if I drank 20 "waters" a day  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on February 26, 2015, 06:25:48 am
If someone is looking for a copy of Real Meal Revolution, I bought that and 'Low carb recipies for families' together as a bundle not knowing my wife did the same. R200+ postage for both. PM me if you are interested

Why was this thread moved out of the food section  ??? ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 26, 2015, 07:20:32 am
where are you based, I would like them
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on February 26, 2015, 07:20:59 am
where are you based, I would like them

Pretoria east
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 26, 2015, 07:24:46 am
K cool, I'll collect, pm me your details if you will
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 26, 2015, 07:40:35 am
Sorry Dwerg, looks like I have the same problem,, just told the Mrs and guess what,, she has already ordered and paid for it,, sorry mate, i won't be taking it!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on February 26, 2015, 07:50:31 am
Sorry Dwerg, looks like I have the same problem,, just told the Mrs and guess what,, she has already ordered and paid for it,, sorry mate, i won't be taking it!

Ha! No worries  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 26, 2015, 08:52:00 am
Sorry Dwerg, looks like I have the same problem,, just told the Mrs and guess what,, she has already ordered and paid for it,, sorry mate, i won't be taking it!

Ha! No worries  :thumleft:

Dwerg, Il take it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on February 26, 2015, 08:52:46 am
Sorry Dwerg, looks like I have the same problem,, just told the Mrs and guess what,, she has already ordered and paid for it,, sorry mate, i won't be taking it!

Ha! No worries  :thumleft:

Dwerg, Il take it  :thumleft:

Cool ek PM jou my cell nommer
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on February 26, 2015, 08:52:52 am
so, after discovering oros is 33% sugar and thats whats been causing me not to loose weight quickly I have not cut it out  :patch:

What, besides water do you guys drink that is not sugar with water added....

I am not a big fan of just water and usually add some lemon juice for taste, but to much lemon juice is also not good for you.

To give you an indication, i can easily drink 3-4liters of water a day.

so after stop drinking oros or any kind of "aanmaak" cooldrinks I have lost 3kgs and past my no loose barrier  :thumleft: 15kg to go to ideal weight
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: cloudgazer on February 26, 2015, 09:22:44 am
Proof that the banting diet works
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on February 27, 2015, 05:23:06 am
Proof that the banting diet works

........or lead to extinction of the dino's
😜😜
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 27, 2015, 05:05:33 pm
86 t0 just over 72,, by the end of April I should be able to wear my son's riding kit !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on February 27, 2015, 06:04:22 pm
86 t0 just over 72,, by the end of April I should be able to wear my son's riding kit !

At 72 I was about 12 years old??
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on February 28, 2015, 02:22:14 pm
I figure that it's cheaper to lose weight than buy performance parts for my bike,, 2 more kg's and the bikes will just think they have a full tank !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Francois marais on March 16, 2015, 01:06:34 pm
Been banting for about two months now.
Started out on 88.6 kg.  This morning the scale told me I was 84.1 kg.

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now.  Found the culprit as milk this morning.  I thought the little bit of milk I add to my coffee (about 7 cups per day) was 20 mm.  Guess I was wrong.  Amounted to 60+ ml per cup.

So will be cutting back on the milk from now on.  Hope to loose a few KG's of weight before 18 April.  Heard there will be a photographer shooting photo's on my wedding day...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on March 16, 2015, 01:18:59 pm

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now. 


How do you know when you are in Ketosis?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on March 16, 2015, 01:23:40 pm

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now. 


How do you know when you are in Ketosis?

Ja nee eks self lekker nuuskierig  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: White Rhino on March 16, 2015, 01:27:22 pm
When you breath smells  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on March 16, 2015, 01:27:36 pm

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now. 


How do you know when you are in Ketosis?

Piepie op n stokkie wat jy by Dischem koop...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on March 16, 2015, 01:30:43 pm
 :thefinger:......ek is ernstig julle henties!!  :deal:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on March 16, 2015, 01:31:59 pm
Ek dis redelik veilig om te sê Carrots is nie pregnant nie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on March 16, 2015, 01:33:45 pm
Ek dis redelik veilig om te sê Carrots is nie pregnant nie

Voesek man!! Ek het 'n Weber ingesluk ok!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on March 16, 2015, 01:35:24 pm
:thefinger:......ek is ernstig julle henties!!  :deal:

My antwoord was ernstig....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on March 16, 2015, 01:38:53 pm
OK fanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on March 16, 2015, 05:21:36 pm

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now. 


How do you know when you are in Ketosis?
When she screams "YES YES YES "
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Francois marais on March 16, 2015, 05:48:26 pm

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now. 


How do you know when you are in Ketosis?
As said.  Pee on a stick.  Need to find something to pee in.  Having to pee on a stick first thing in the morning aint easy.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Francois marais on March 16, 2015, 05:50:39 pm
 >:(
And now just spotted another reason.  Fiancee chucks all carb (death) loaded poo into our food!  No wonder I am not loosing.  So when I think I am getting 25g of carbs per day I am getting 100g carbs per day.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on March 16, 2015, 07:53:56 pm
Remember,, the secret is in the fat
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on March 17, 2015, 07:27:15 am
This is the first I hear of actually testing for Ketosis.

What does the result tell you? Just a yes/no or some sort of score giving you an indication of how close or complete your state is?

 :patch:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 17, 2015, 08:21:41 am
Been banting for about two months now.
Started out on 88.6 kg.  This morning the scale told me I was 84.1 kg.

Been in and out of Ketosis for a while now.  Found the culprit as milk this morning.  I thought the little bit of milk I add to my coffee (about 7 cups per day) was 20 mm.  Guess I was wrong.  Amounted to 60+ ml per cup.

So will be cutting back on the milk from now on.  Hope to loose a few KG's of weight before 18 April.  Heard there will be a photographer shooting photo's on my wedding day...

Use cream instead. It is void of most of the lactose in milk with all of the fat you need. It is also very rich, so you will use a lot less at a time.

Title: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on March 17, 2015, 11:07:51 am
This is the first I hear of actually testing for Ketosis.

What does the result tell you? Just a yes/no or some sort of score giving you an indication of how close or complete your state is?

 :patch:

Ketosis is a state where your body is burning fat (ketones) as a main source of energy and not carbs (glucose). Not to be confused with keto-acidosis.

You don't have to be in ketosis to loose weight or experience health benefits of a low carb lifestyle. Ketosis is important for fat adapted athletes and medical conditions like epilepsy.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 777 on March 18, 2015, 06:16:55 pm
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on March 19, 2015, 10:36:23 am
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?

That is a very contentious issue. I suggest you do some research on the net and then decide which sources you choose to believe.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Noneking on March 19, 2015, 01:13:29 pm
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?

That is a very contentious issue. I suggest you do some research on the net and then decide which sources you choose to believe.

Good idea!
Conventional views on cholesterol outdated and wrong in my humble opinion. New research suggests that one should not look at overall cholesterol as much, but rather look at trigliserides and partical size of ldl. Small particle ldl and trigliserides cause damage and a reduction of both with a healthy, diet without refined carbs and hydrogenated oils, should be much more beneficial than taking statins for "high cholesterol".

Having said that, most gp's and cardiologist do not agree with this.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on April 08, 2015, 07:54:17 am
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?

The diet did nothing for me re weight loss, after being on it for 6 months.   However, I have started cycling regularly and cutting all starches, sugar fizzy drinks, take-aways etc out - lost 16kg in 3 months. 

Re the effect on cholesterol - after 4 months on the TN eating plan my wife's cholesterol levels went through the roof from 3,2 to 9 - so I say with confidence the TN eating plan is BS! Rather get some exercise and see a nutritionist to get your eating habits sorted out
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on April 08, 2015, 09:45:04 am
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?

The diet did nothing for me re weight loss, after being on it for 6 months.   However, I have started cycling regularly and cutting all starches, sugar fizzy drinks, take-aways etc out - lost 16kg in 3 months. 

Re the effect on cholesterol - after 4 months on the TN eating plan my wife's cholesterol levels went through the roof from 3,2 to 9 - so I say with confidence the TN eating plan is BS! Rather get some exercise and see a nutritionist to get your eating habits sorted out

The TN eating plan is basically giving up starches, sugar fizzy drinks, take-aways etc and if you did not no wonder you never lost weight
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on April 08, 2015, 10:00:35 am
How does this plan affect a person with high cholesterol, I mean son much fat?

The diet did nothing for me re weight loss, after being on it for 6 months.   However, I have started cycling regularly and cutting all starches, sugar fizzy drinks, take-aways etc out - lost 16kg in 3 months.  

Re the effect on cholesterol - after 4 months on the TN eating plan my wife's cholesterol levels went through the roof from 3,2 to 9 - so I say with confidence the TN eating plan is BS! Rather get some exercise and see a nutritionist to get your eating habits sorted out

The TN eating plan is basically giving up starches, sugar fizzy drinks, take-aways etc and if you did not no wonder you never lost weight

You understood me wrong, did all that including eating the recommended fat intake and coconut milk shakes etc and did not lose weight, not a gram.  But started cycling and continue to leave the said sugars, starches, etc out AS WELL AS all fats and my weight and cholesterol levels dropped.  There is no such thing as a sustainable diet in my view - but focus on excluding your wrong eating habits and exercise even if just moderate i.e. a walk around the block will be sustainable - life style change is the key concept
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on April 08, 2015, 10:09:13 am
GEE-SH dropping all starches, sugars etc. and then all fats etc. too must take some serious commitment. Not to mention what your food must taste like...

I understand what you mean about a lifestyle change and agree with it.

For me, the Banting diet was a major lifestyle change and having lost 20kg in the last 10 months or so, it is a successful one. If I do more  exercise I am sure I could lose even more and I want to.

My Doctor has been very happy with my weight loss and my Fisio just as happy for the sake of my knees.

But I have to concede it has been about 6 months since my last cholestrol test, so I am due. Although having turned at 153kg, the weight and size loss is more beneficial at this stage.

All that while still eating bacon.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on April 08, 2015, 10:20:36 am
These are my guidelines

Eat Natural real food as much as possible

Always read the label of ingredients
Dont eat anything advertised on TV
Avoid products made by big corporations
Dont eat anything with ingredients you cant pronounce
Avoid Sugar
Avoid bread especially government white bread
Dont eat Breakfast cereals
I probably dont touch over 80% of what is on the shelves of supermarkets
Dont touch Sunflower, canola oils, margarine etc
Cook with Coconut oil
Avoid grains as most are genetically modified

Go back to basics and Eat Natural real food as much as possible

Avoid Refined Sugar
Avoid Refined Carbs

Get off your fat ass and make real food and stop eating shit

Drink Craft beer wherever possible   ;D

And importantly exercise, as Gee-sh says even if its just a walk around the block
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: GEE-SH on April 08, 2015, 10:23:06 am
Well Done Bud500!!

I myself made a U-turn at 130 and my aim is 100 but it is amazing how much difference just 5kg make - Although I've only lost 16kg I've dropped 4 pant sizes.  Which was strange to me but then the kwak explained that muscle is more dense than fat so although one is losing fat you are also building muscle tissue and not as per the age old fallacious myth that fat is transformed into muscle.  So I rather measure than climb onto the scale
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on April 08, 2015, 12:34:19 pm
These are my guidelines

Eat Natural real food as much as possible

Always read the label of ingredients
Dont eat anything advertised on TV
Avoid products made by big corporations
Dont eat anything with ingredients you cant pronounce
Avoid Sugar
Avoid bread especially government white bread
Dont eat Breakfast cereals
I probably dont touch over 80% of what is on the shelves of supermarkets
Dont touch Sunflower, canola oils, margarine etc
Cook with Coconut oil
Avoid grains as most are genetically modified

Go back to basics and Eat Natural real food as much as possible

Avoid Refined Sugar
Avoid Refined Carbs

Get off your fat ass and make real food and stop eating shit

Drink Craft beer wherever possible   ;D

And importantly exercise, as Gee-sh says even if its just a walk around the block

And that gentlemen is the best answer so far. I follow exactly the same guidelines, and walk 5km in the mornings, and have lost 20kg. Look at the labels - you'll be horrified. Especially the microwave/precooked shite. Go to Woolworths and take a look at the ingredients in, for example, a (healthy/organic/free range/green/sustainable/quality) microwave curry or pasta...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 08, 2015, 12:43:29 pm
We see more and more people with cancer nowadays
I just cant help to think that 'what we eat' is in a way responsible for this
So I was just wondering what effect Tim's diet will be on a patient with cancer (before being diagnosed)
Cancer growth I think will double up because of the high protein diets, but who knows?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on April 08, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
The TN diet made my penis grow as well !
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 08, 2015, 05:01:43 pm
We see more and more people with cancer nowadays
I just cant help to think that 'what we eat' is in a way responsible for this
So I was just wondering what effect Tim's diet will be on a patient with cancer (before being diagnosed)
Cancer growth I think will double up because of the high protein diets, but who knows?

According to Noakes, a low carb diet reduces the risk of cancer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on April 08, 2015, 05:25:55 pm
We see more and more people with cancer nowadays
I just cant help to think that 'what we eat' is in a way responsible for this
So I was just wondering what effect Tim's diet will be on a patient with cancer (before being diagnosed)
Cancer growth I think will double up because of the high protein diets, but who knows?
The Banting/TN diet is a high fat not high protein diet, reccomended protein is 80-100 gram's per day
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on April 08, 2015, 05:26:48 pm
The TN diet made my penis grow as well !

You're supposed to eat the fat, not rub it on your penis
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 08, 2015, 05:39:47 pm
The TN diet made my penis grow as well !

That's good, so you don't need to sit and piss anymore?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on April 08, 2015, 06:17:09 pm
The TN diet made my penis grow as well !

That's good, so you don't need to sit and piss anymore?
hahahahaha!!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on April 09, 2015, 07:06:44 am
We see more and more people with cancer nowadays
I just cant help to think that 'what we eat' is in a way responsible for this
So I was just wondering what effect Tim's diet will be on a patient with cancer (before being diagnosed)
Cancer growth I think will double up because of the high protein diets, but who knows?

Cancer cells absorb sugars, so stay away from sugars, and carbs that is converted to glucose.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on April 09, 2015, 07:30:57 am
Is sugar the next evil

http://youtu.be/6uaWekLrilY (http://youtu.be/6uaWekLrilY)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on April 09, 2015, 07:47:57 am
Is sugar the next evil

http://youtu.be/6uaWekLrilY (http://youtu.be/6uaWekLrilY)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqatoGRW9TI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqatoGRW9TI)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bensien on April 09, 2015, 07:49:08 am
Scientific studies have disproved the theory that sugar directly triggers or feeds cancer. The relationship is much more complex. For example people who consume a lot of sugar are usually overweight. Being overweight causes hormonal changes which may increase the risk of cancer. So excessive sugar consumption and cancer are both linked to an unhealthy lifestyle, but one is not  direct consequence of the other.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Jocks on April 15, 2015, 11:34:33 am
Without reading all the posts, why Craft beer and not, say, Castle light? :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on April 15, 2015, 12:08:22 pm
Lunch today...Chicken giblets (necks, stomachs, livers, kidneys)...  :drif:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on April 15, 2015, 01:23:30 pm
 ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bronzy on May 08, 2015, 09:36:03 am
I found a tablet that really helps with Insulin resistance called Antagolin
off the shelf at diskem  :thumleft:
 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on May 08, 2015, 10:15:51 am
went for my annual medical yesterday.

Colestrol down from 5.3 to 4.9 and glucose down from 5.3 to 4.3

This was bloodtest without vasting so the doc was nogal impressed.

Still sitting at 115kg as I dont follow it religiously but the health benefits proof is on the wall
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Roadhawg on May 08, 2015, 11:34:13 am
I run on a CKD diet (Cyclical Keotgenic diet).

low/nocarbs during the week. Lift heavy ass weights every night at gym. Minimal cardio. 

Friday afternoon have a small carb meal to kick out of ketosis, hit the gym for a high-rep full body workout.  The theory is this depletes any glycogen left in your muscles that may have not been used during the week of heavy lifting.  Get home from gym and smash carbs in my face friday night and saturday (Theory here is that in a depleted glycogen state your muscles can suck up new glycogen at an enhanced rate, allowing you to lift heavy again the next week and making your muscles look fuller)

Back on highfat/locarb on sunday morning.  repeat.


For me it lets me eat healthily most of the time and lose fat, retain muscle mass and still have a jol with my mates on friday night and saturday having beers etc (Cannot stand light beer aka horse piss :biggrin:)

Works very well for me, but you have to be in the gym at least 4 or 5 times a week, otherwise there's no point to the carb days.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on June 05, 2015, 09:38:24 am
The TN diet made my penis grow as well !

You're supposed to eat the fat, not rub it on your penis


 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on September 16, 2015, 03:25:17 pm
So who is still doing it and getting skinnier?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on September 16, 2015, 04:39:05 pm
I am still doing it, but I don't know about the skinny part. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on September 16, 2015, 04:53:30 pm
I haven't read through all the pages

All I know is that I have stopped eating starch and drinking Black Label in the last week of May.

I weighed 122kg

Now I am at 109kg and lost 4 belt sizes

i am still drinking Castle Lite and Whiskey with Water
I dont use sugar anymore
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on September 16, 2015, 06:30:42 pm
I haven't read through all the pages

All I know is that I have stopped eating starch and drinking Black Label in the last week of May.

I weighed 122kg

Now I am at 109kg and lost 4 belt sizes

i am still drinking Castle Lite and Whiskey with Water
I dont use sugar anymore

Well done, keep it up
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on September 16, 2015, 08:37:45 pm
I haven't read through all the pages

All I know is that I have stopped eating starch and drinking Black Label in the last week of May.

I weighed 122kg

Now I am at 109kg and lost 4 belt sizes

i am still drinking Castle Lite and Whiskey with Water
I dont use sugar anymore

Well done, keep it up


Thnx
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on September 17, 2015, 07:43:33 am
went down from 122 to 110kg, then my 30th came along and week vacation at my mother (dam her cooking).

back at 113. so aiming for 105 by year end
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on September 17, 2015, 09:21:42 am
went down from 122 to 110kg, then my 30th came along and week vacation at my mother (dam her cooking).

back at 113. so aiming for 105 by year end
You are still down and healthier for it I assume
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kamanya on September 17, 2015, 10:32:20 am
Was at 112

Now early 90's I suspect, but haven't weighed for ages.

More than that, profound difference in how I feel though. Less tired with almost no afternoon low, less inclined to eat large portions. Will eat a pizza once every 2 weeks, but now I just don't feel up to eating a large and will take the small option.

Drink wine almost exclusively but will have a castle draught x 3 once every two weeks.

No sugar in anything.
No carbonated drinks ever, or in anything. (I had a coke for the first time in 2 years on the Amageza - shit but it's way sweeter than I remember)
No bread


Will seldom/almost never eat desert.
Chocolate seldom and only then dark chocolate.

Snack on nuts and raisins and biltong.

My beer belly has gone.

Downsides -

It is more expensive.
Takes a bit more thought
Convenience stores/food places have very little for me.
I miss a good fresh bread.


On the Amageza, I ate everything double. I did veer away from the starches and white foods but not completely. I had no energy/nutrition issues on the whole race. Wasn't fatigued or overly tired, except for afternoon of day 6 after being back at the bivvy, I crashed for a few hours. But was fresh the next day.

I'm not fanatical about it. If I am at someone's house and dinner has all the no-no's I'm not going to stand back.

I like the diet, it makes sense, it works for me.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on September 17, 2015, 10:49:49 am
OK, was keeping quiet but suppose I should come clean.... :biggrin: :biggrin:

I picked up a lot over December / January and flying overseas was becoming a pain in economy class seats... :peepwall:

So when I got back, my daughter had decided to do the Tim Noakes Diet as a "TORT" project for her Matric so I joined in with it as part of the project.

I started 01.Feb 2015 at yes ......................132.7kg  :-[

I have had no beer since, lots of wine, whiskey, some cider... no breads, no pasta etc, never took sugar anyway...

I have averaged a tad over 100g a day loss for the 230 day period, so am down to 109kg..

I do not find the diet hard work, and my local pub does food which is acceptable..... :biggrin: :biggrin:

   
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on September 17, 2015, 11:00:09 am
OK, was keeping quiet but suppose I should come clean.... :biggrin: :biggrin:

I picked up a lot over December / January and flying overseas was becoming a pain in economy class seats... :peepwall:

So when I got back, my daughter had decided to do the Tim Noakes Diet as a "TORT" project for her Matric so I joined in with it as part of the project.

I started 01.Feb 2015 at yes ......................132.7kg  :-[

I have had no beer since, lots of wine, whiskey, some cider... no breads, no pasta etc, never took sugar anyway...

I have averaged a tad over 100g a day loss for the 230 day period, so am down to 109kg..

I do not find the diet hard work, and my local pub does food which is acceptable..... :biggrin: :biggrin:

   

132.7kg  :eek7: You must be very tall   :imaposer:
I am 125kg at 1.77m so as wide as I am tall. Lost about 8kg in first month then tripped over a case of beer
and just never could get back on the diet again.   :xxbah:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on September 17, 2015, 11:01:19 am
How is soda water. Thumbs up or thumbs down ?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on September 17, 2015, 11:16:22 am
OK, was keeping quiet but suppose I should come clean.... :biggrin: :biggrin:

I picked up a lot over December / January and flying overseas was becoming a pain in economy class seats... :peepwall:

So when I got back, my daughter had decided to do the Tim Noakes Diet as a "TORT" project for her Matric so I joined in with it as part of the project.

I started 01.Feb 2015 at yes ......................132.7kg  :-[

I have had no beer since, lots of wine, whiskey, some cider... no breads, no pasta etc, never took sugar anyway...

I have averaged a tad over 100g a day loss for the 230 day period, so am down to 109kg..

I do not find the diet hard work, and my local pub does food which is acceptable..... :biggrin: :biggrin:

   

132.7kg  :eek7: You must be very tall   :imaposer:
I am 125kg at 1.77m so as wide as I am tall. Lost about 8kg in first month then tripped over a case of beer
and just never could get back on the diet again.   :xxbah:

1.92m Subbie  ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on September 17, 2015, 11:20:51 am
OK, was keeping quiet but suppose I should come clean.... :biggrin: :biggrin:

I picked up a lot over December / January and flying overseas was becoming a pain in economy class seats... :peepwall:

So when I got back, my daughter had decided to do the Tim Noakes Diet as a "TORT" project for her Matric so I joined in with it as part of the project.

I started 01.Feb 2015 at yes ......................132.7kg  :-[

I have had no beer since, lots of wine, whiskey, some cider... no breads, no pasta etc, never took sugar anyway...

I have averaged a tad over 100g a day loss for the 230 day period, so am down to 109kg..

I do not find the diet hard work, and my local pub does food which is acceptable..... :biggrin: :biggrin:

   

132.7kg  :eek7: You must be very tall   :imaposer:
I am 125kg at 1.77m so as wide as I am tall. Lost about 8kg in first month then tripped over a case of beer
and just never could get back on the diet again.   :xxbah:

1.92m Subbie  ::)

Ok that is very tall  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ganjora on September 17, 2015, 11:26:29 am
been banting for 3 weeks now.
dropped 3kg.
no beer is a killer...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on September 17, 2015, 11:43:34 am
been banting for 3 weeks now.
dropped 3kg.
no beer is a killer...

230 days dave 230 fockin days.... :lamer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ganjora on September 17, 2015, 11:55:56 am
230 days dave 230 fockin days.... :lamer:

my wife also loses slowly,  and if she has just 1 glass of wine,  almost all the weight comes back.
i stared at just over 90,  and now just over 87.
no beer,  a little wine,  and some whiskey.
no liquor at all this week - will be interesting to weigh myself on sunday AM - i only bother once a week.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JFE on September 17, 2015, 12:08:09 pm
Ok so now I know my problem. Was 125kg in Jan, cut starches etc. Been off the brew for some time. Dropped to 116kg in July. Stopped eating at the mess at work and told the wife to pack me 2 samies for work every day cause I over eat with 2 cooked meals a day. Slowly creeping back up and at 120kg again and could not understand! Guess it is the *&%$ nice sandwiches she makes me every day!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on September 17, 2015, 01:15:42 pm
started in October last year with a serious fall off the wagon over December and half of Jan, 86 to start with down to 71 now, eat one meal a day and on a Friday night I have a half a pizza, Sat, Sun I chomp a little on whats around, have maybe 2 ciders a month no other alcohol other than that, bread is a killer for the diet but occasionally have a bread roll or a couple of pieces of toast if I have brekky at a Wimpy, occasionally indulge in some "mountain cabbage" then I clean out the fekking fridge, what I do find is I'm normally a couple of KG's up on a Monday but lose it all by Wednesday, health wise,,, I'm better looking and have the energy to shag all your wives but my wife said I'm not allowed to so you all safe. can for the first time since my 30's fit into size 30-32 jeans.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on September 17, 2015, 01:31:02 pm
Ok so now I know my problem. Was 125kg in Jan, cut starches etc. Been off the brew for some time. Dropped to 116kg in July. Stopped eating at the mess at work and told the wife to pack me 2 samies for work every day cause I over eat with 2 cooked meals a day. Slowly creeping back up and at 120kg again and could not understand! Guess it is the *&%$ nice sandwiches she makes me every day!

Yip, its the bread
Title: Re:
Post by: Hotwire on September 17, 2015, 01:49:04 pm
I can aso say tat I have started in April, falling off the wagon a few times and just start again and lost 20kg's since.... I am feeling much beter and also came from touching a size 40 down to a 36, so still alot to go but getting there slowly....

I am not a strick banter but tossed all bread and starches with a cheat now and then and alot of fat intake, wich makes up for all the other things I don't even miss...

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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on September 17, 2015, 10:55:45 pm
Bread is abig NO NO

Potatoes and pasta too

I drink sparkling water.. lots of it
belt size was 42
nou at 38 and  going on to 36

Have so much energy.  Dont even have to take a nap in the afternoon anymore
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: chopperpilot on September 17, 2015, 11:30:17 pm
I attended TN's talk in Nelspruit.

Basically, no sugar, no carbs, no processed foods and make your own food.

His medical explanation of his diet will motivate you to follow his diet.

I was, and still am following an non-TN diet, but on the same principals.

Lots of energy, need less sleep.

I have been on worse and unsuccessful diets.

My 101kgs was down to 97.5 in the first week.

I am motivated to continue with the diet I'm on.

Will align my current diet to TN were necessary.

Due to my work and my wife's work at the pathologist I do regular blood and other test. Was always healthy, but sure there will be further improvement I do the next set.


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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Alan on October 02, 2015, 03:38:46 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on October 02, 2015, 05:06:05 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wooly Bugger on October 05, 2015, 03:28:31 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on October 05, 2015, 03:35:11 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please elaborate my friend?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: chopperpilot on October 05, 2015, 03:50:56 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please elaborate my friend?
Sex life?😉


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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on October 05, 2015, 05:05:43 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please elaborate my friend?
Sex life?😉


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 :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on October 17, 2015, 10:20:20 am
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please elaborate my friend?
Sex life?😉


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 :eek: :eek:

My sex life is like my Ferrari, I don't have one... ::)

But have been on the no beer, no bread, no carbs thing since 1 Feb, gone from almost 133kg to 107kg.

No targets, just take it as it comes...... the Bash was not good... the Captain must have lots of sugar.    8)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on October 19, 2015, 05:54:08 pm
Decided this year to do something about my weight. Had 'dabbled" here and there,b ut didn't find any real results. The a good mate started explaining this Banting stuff better, and spoke about keytones, (I think), and how your brain, and body deals with animal fat and such.

So haven't packed in sugar completely, but did switch the brown sugar, and only use one teasoon in coffee and tea. have a hamburger\white break bun maybe once a week, but otherwise, no bread or wheat products, mainly protein and veg.

in Jan when I started proper, I was 128 Kg's, this morning I JUST dropped below 109 Kg's.. So happy with the slower loss, and this with ZERO form of excercise, purely because I'm kak lazy. I will start excercising soon, going to start kneeboarding again and SUp, but on the whole, happy with my progress.


I was 122kg in end of May
4 months later - 108kg

Drink Castle Lite instead of Black Label and Whiskey and Water
Down to 36
Still no exercise

You are not telling the whole truth?
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please elaborate my friend?
Sex life?😉


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 :eek: :eek:

My sex life is like my Ferrari, I don't have one... ::)

But have been on the no beer, no bread, no carbs thing since 1 Feb, gone from almost 133kg to 107kg.

No targets, just take it as it comes...... the Bash was not good... the Captain must have lots of sugar.    8)


The Captain is made from Canesugar

LOTS of sugar and if you add the Coke ..... EINA

But well done on your weight drop.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 19, 2015, 06:44:23 pm
Distilled dark rum should not have any sugar. Even if it is made from sugar cane as the initial ingredient. Sugar is the main food for the yeast in all distilled drinks like whiskey, brandy, etc. But it doesn't form part of the drink once distilled. Esters in drinks like rum and brandy gives you that preceived "sweetness".

Spiced rums and other rum based drinks like Malibu contains added sugars.




Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on October 20, 2015, 08:10:39 am
Distilled dark rum should not have any sugar. Even if it is made from sugar cane as the initial ingredient. Sugar is the main food for the yeast in all distilled drinks like whiskey, brandy, etc. But it doesn't form part of the drink once distilled. Esters in drinks like rum and brandy gives you that preceived "sweetness".

Spiced rums and other rum based drinks like Malibu contains added sugars.


Agreed.
But 1 rum leads to more and before you know it, it is with HP Coke... :deal:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 20, 2015, 08:18:12 am
If you buy decent rum, like Appleton Estate 12yo, it's as smooth as silk over just ice.

But yes, I agree, rather then buy a cheapy whiskey and kill it with soda.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on October 20, 2015, 08:34:45 am
I was drinking the Captain with Coke light, Coke Zero or Tab.... whatever I could get  :snorting: :snorting: :snorting:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on October 20, 2015, 09:23:28 am
alcohol/ethanol is energy.

dit word ge metabolise en skakel in die ligaam om en word elk geval gestoor as vet.

Ek dink jy kan dit dan netsowel met sugary drinks geniet.

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on October 20, 2015, 10:05:06 am
Come on guy's, lets see some before and after pics
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on October 20, 2015, 10:30:44 am
Before and after...

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 20, 2015, 10:39:39 am
alcohol/ethanol is energy.

dit word ge metabolise en skakel in die ligaam om en word elk geval gestoor as vet.

Ek dink jy kan dit dan netsowel met sugary drinks geniet.

 :peepwall:

Alcohol does not get stored as fat. It is a highly usable calorie and as such the body will burn it first for energy. Because it is used first the other foodstuffs/calories/fats/etc will get either stored away as fat, or will be used later and in some cases not used at all. That's also the reason why you usually end up eating last night's braai only the next morning, you didn't feel hungry while on the firewater. So basically your body stops burning fat during alcohol consumption, thus creating a negative effect on weight loss.

Here's the problem with all alcoholic beverages, and the reason I recommend refraining from alcohol consumption on the diet. Alcohol, whenever taken in, is the first fuel to burn. While that's going on, your body will not burn fat. This does not stop the weight loss, it simply postpones it, since the alcohol does not store as glycogen, and you immediately go back into ketosis/lipolysis after the alcohol is used up.

If you must drink alcohol, wine is an acceptable addition to levels beyond the Induction diet. If wine does not suit your taste, straight liquor such as scotch, rye, vodka, and gin would be appropriate, as long as the mixer is sugarless; this means no juice, tonic water; or non-diet soda. Seltzer and diet soda are appropriate.


Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on October 20, 2015, 11:13:14 am
educated.

thanks  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on October 20, 2015, 11:37:01 am
Come on guy's, lets see some before and after pics


it works  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Motties on October 20, 2015, 11:44:16 am
Dit maak jou moer taai ook sien ek, Kaalvoet oor die Drakensberge!  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on October 20, 2015, 11:52:18 am
Dit maak jou moer taai ook sien ek, Kaalvoet oor die Drakensberge!  :thumleft:



 :imaposer:

klein klip kopjie'tjie in zimbabwe.

maar ek gaan dit definitief nie weer kaalpoot aanpak nie, was rou vir dae  :lol8:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on October 20, 2015, 12:41:56 pm
Dit maak jou moer taai ook sien ek, Kaalvoet oor die Drakensberge!  :thumleft:



 :imaposer:

klein klip kopjie'tjie in zimbabwe.

maar ek gaan dit definitief nie weer kaalpoot aanpak nie, was rou vir dae  :lol8:

Ja nee, wysheid kom met ouderdom.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Carrots on October 20, 2015, 12:46:15 pm
Daai eerste paar pics lyk soos daai kuier op Ellisras van ons toe iemand so hard getimmer is die aand in die kroeg..... :peepwall: :pot:

Goeie werk...lyk goed!  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on October 20, 2015, 12:46:40 pm
One of the issues is that having lost about 20% of body mass, I don't soak up the booze so well it smacks me stickend.....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on October 20, 2015, 12:54:29 pm
Daai eerste paar pics lyk soos daai kuier op Ellisras van ons toe iemand so hard getimmer is die aand in die kroeg..... :peepwall: :pot:

Goeie werk...lyk goed!  :thumleft:




hahahaha kerritz dis hoeka kiekies van daai partytjie, well spotted   :thumleft:

Ek bly nogsteeds weg by boks-kroeg    :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on October 20, 2015, 01:19:43 pm
Jy lyk goed 0012

Ek soek my BEOFRE pics
Hel ek was lekker rond om die vaatjie pens

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 20, 2015, 03:46:57 pm
One of the issues is that having lost about 20% of body mass, I don't soak up the booze so well it smacks me stickend.....

Yip, and the blood-pressure medication I started is making things even worse. I'm a real cheap date the last couple of months.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: StuartC on October 20, 2015, 03:59:54 pm
0012, well done, looking good!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on October 21, 2015, 06:56:38 am
Daai eerste paar pics lyk soos daai kuier op Ellisras van ons toe iemand so hard getimmer is die aand in die kroeg..... :peepwall: :pot:

Goeie werk...lyk goed!  :thumleft:



Van waar Gahasie ? :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on October 21, 2015, 10:26:11 am
One of the issues is that having lost about 20% of body mass, I don't soak up the booze so well it smacks me stickend.....

:spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: hayleyscomet on October 22, 2015, 04:26:53 pm


POST 1 - Start Date 20/10/15 1.....KGS

Just joined the Masses and DOING the Banting thing

Have a Good 30 Kgs to loose at least

Today is day 3 Complete and thought I would wait till Tuesday to weight for the First Time !

Feeling OK , have stuck to it 100 % !

Wayne
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on October 22, 2015, 06:34:07 pm
Good luck!
First few weeks can be tough, but it is crucial to be very strict the first 6 weeks in order to achieve ketosis.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on October 22, 2015, 07:33:59 pm
Good luck!
First few weeks can be tough, but it is crucial to be very strict the first 6 weeks in order to achieve ketosis.

Vir my is die eerste paar weke weer maklik (ja ek het dit al 'n hele paar keer oorbegin), dit is die volhou wat my vang. Die Desember vakansie en die break-away saam vriende en sulke goed.

Title: Re:
Post by: hayleyscomet on October 22, 2015, 08:34:22 pm
Thanks Bud.... Gonna really give it all... Wifey loves to Cook new stuff and has already come up with some great stuff. Veggie meat stir fry has always been a favorite... Dont miss the rice or potatoes. She did a Corchette Feta Fritatta tonight with pork rashers... Divine
Title: Re:
Post by: MegaPix on October 23, 2015, 08:58:44 am
Thanks Bud.... Gonna really give it all... Wifey loves to Cook new stuff and has already come up with some great stuff. Veggie meat stir fry has always been a favorite... Dont miss the rice or potatoes. She did a Corchette Feta Fritatta tonight with pork rashers... Divine

There are a few different recipe books out that has some awesome recipes for banting people

I tell you I eat like a King every night.
I am eating big portions as well and still dropping weight and lots of cm.

Enjoy it.  I had 2 Cupcakes and 2 glasses of Port last night.  Wont have a big effect on my weight as I only do this once in 2 weeks perhaps.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MOGGIE on November 06, 2015, 07:54:47 am
Ok. Here is my story. Went to a heart specialist 17 Oct 2015.
Bottom line: lifestyle, lifestyle. Loose at least 30kg,s.
So here I go. Sunday 19th Oct, start TN diet. Not easy if you live in the bush. I was then 129.5kg's the fattest I ever was.
Next Sunday, came down 2.2kg's. That afternoon I was really feeling very sick. Did not know what is wrong. As I work in the bush and Malaria area, I decided to go to  a doctor. Prognosis: Malaria.
Today is 6th of November. I am feeling very week but I think I broke the malaria.
This morning on the scale: 115kg's

So as from today I will be carrying on with the diet. Just  to mention, I could keep no food in the last week and half.
So if I can say so. The moral of the story, ifyou want. To loose weight fast, get malaria.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: hayleyscomet on November 06, 2015, 07:58:30 am


So you have lost 15 kgs in basically 2 weeks ?

WOW
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 06, 2015, 08:22:48 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on November 06, 2015, 10:26:00 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 06, 2015, 10:45:40 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on November 06, 2015, 01:50:22 pm
I am now at 105/106kg

Was struggling to break 113 qt one stage and then 110 and then 108

But I am happy where I am losing about 1kg a week or less

I stay constant.  Drink Castle Lite as I like beer too
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JFE on November 08, 2015, 11:55:11 am
So we are now the owners of "The real meal revolation" and have started preparing dishes from it the past  2 - 3 days and let me tell you the food is great! Now for the cm loss part in a week or so.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 09, 2015, 11:03:12 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)

As said above, I dropped today to a "new low" 105.2 kg, so 27.5 kg down, so a couple of bags of dog food.. :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: dirtyXT on November 09, 2015, 11:08:14 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)

As said above, I dropped today to a "new low" 105.2 kg, so 27.5 kg down, so a couple of bags of dog food.. :peepwall:
is this with any excersize Welsh?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on November 09, 2015, 11:11:14 am
Been on Banting for the week - like really what I can eat - don't use any sugar anymore - Met up with some old friends this weekend - lost 30 kg's over 6 months on Banting - from 148 kg to 117 currently - he looks good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 09, 2015, 11:47:00 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)

As said above, I dropped today to a "new low" 105.2 kg, so 27.5 kg down, so a couple of bags of dog food.. :peepwall:
is this with any excersize Welsh?

No exercise, no beer, but its been over 9 months, lost about 100g a day and measuring Chest, Stomach, Waist, Upper thigh and Arm, lost about 85cm. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: dirtyXT on November 09, 2015, 11:50:40 am
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)

As said above, I dropped today to a "new low" 105.2 kg, so 27.5 kg down, so a couple of bags of dog food.. :peepwall:
is this with any excersize Welsh?

No exercise, no beer, but its been over 9 months, lost about 100g a day and measuring Chest, Stomach, Waist, Upper thigh and Arm, lost about 85cm. 
impressive, keep it up slim. let me know if you get to 105kgs, then you weigh less than me and ill help you get back into beer.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 09, 2015, 12:55:59 pm
Taking it steady, still no beer, but excessive amounts of wine etc is not helping.

Down 26.5 kg, next "landmark" will be 105kg which is a couple of weeks away I reckon.  8)   

Wow. Well done.
I'm down 22kg, but have been stuck there a while. Staying away from beer has proven impossible...

I tend to drop a bit to a "new low" then it jumps back up, then gradually it returns to that "new low" then another drop etc etc, but it is still gradually reducing... ::)

As said above, I dropped today to a "new low" 105.2 kg, so 27.5 kg down, so a couple of bags of dog food.. :peepwall:
is this with any excersize Welsh?

No exercise, no beer, but its been over 9 months, lost about 100g a day and measuring Chest, Stomach, Waist, Upper thigh and Arm, lost about 85cm. 
impressive, keep it up slim. let me know if you get to 105kgs, then you weigh less than me and ill help you get back into beer.
any "eating plan" where I can eat a tray of chops with a bottle of wine is cool with me O0
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on November 24, 2015, 11:30:02 am
I wish they could do an Oscar Pistorious on the trail of Prof Tim Noakes - That is TV I would watch  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on November 24, 2015, 11:32:51 am
in the meantime my sugar craving has gone away and I never seem to feel ravenous between meals... vleis en slaai doen dit nou vir my. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on November 24, 2015, 11:35:21 am
I wish they could do an Oscar Pistorious on the trail of Prof Tim Noakes - That is TV I would watch  :thumleft:

Agreed.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 24, 2015, 11:47:31 am
I wish they could do an Oscar Pistorious on the trail of Prof Tim Noakes - That is TV I would watch  :thumleft:

Agreed.

Trial, before The spelling Nazi gets you.....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wooly Bugger on November 24, 2015, 12:22:09 pm
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on November 24, 2015, 01:40:44 pm
I wish they could do an Oscar Pistorious on the trial of Prof Tim Noakes - That is TV I would watch  :thumleft:

Agreed.

Trial, before The spelling Nazi gets you.....  :biggrin:

 :lol8:

Well according to my  fitbit scale I have lost 6 kg's form beginning of September . Also must say this is the only diet I have been on that I don't feel hungry or have a craving - I used to dring 2 l Coke Zero a day - now nothing - had a coke zero last week with a Brandy , Also no sugar in my Coffee - got a been to cup coffee machine and must say I prefer coffee now without sugar ... so far so good . :thumleft:

Obviously don't do much for my spelling ... but then that link is as debatable as the link between fat and heart disease  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JohnB on November 24, 2015, 01:51:31 pm
Daai eerste paar pics lyk soos daai kuier op Ellisras van ons toe iemand so hard getimmer is die aand in die kroeg..... :peepwall: :pot:

Goeie werk...lyk goed!  :thumleft:




hahahaha kerritz dis hoeka kiekies van daai partytjie, well spotted   :thumleft:

Vertel ek hoor  :lol8:

Ek bly nogsteeds weg by boks-kroeg    :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on November 24, 2015, 03:48:40 pm
 :peepwall:

die manne slaan maklik daar...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 24, 2015, 06:10:19 pm
An awful lot of dieticians and fast food companies and food manufacturers are VERY pissed off with him😎
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on November 24, 2015, 11:02:27 pm
An awful lot of dieticians and fast food companies and food manufacturers are VERY pissed off with him😎

And the biltong shops are smiling.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ysterman on November 25, 2015, 05:09:14 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on November 25, 2015, 06:18:07 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 25, 2015, 07:16:09 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on November 25, 2015, 07:20:43 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:

So, really not about right or wrong. As should've been expected.
Money is the game.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wolweseun on November 25, 2015, 10:14:42 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:

So, really not about right or wrong. As should've been expected.
Money is the game.
Exactly
He is a huge threat to their industry

I only eat real food now and don't touch any of the crap made by big corporations
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on November 26, 2015, 07:01:29 am
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:

So, really not about right or wrong. As should've been expected.
Money is the game.
Exactly
He is a huge threat to their industry

I only eat real food now and don't touch any of the crap made by big corporations

I believe in Tim Noakes.  I can be a witness for him
I lost 18kg now and also dont touch cereal and other fast food shit
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Jughead on November 26, 2015, 07:55:29 am
I haven't been doing the full Noakes thing, but cutting out carbs, cereals, fast foods and sugars.

Started about a month ago at 101.7kg and decided to shed about 12kg.

Loss is slow, but like Welsh, my weight tends to go up and down, but on the whole losing about 150g/day.

This morning down to 97.4kg.  Aiming for what my wife refers to as "Two fat ladies" (88)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on November 26, 2015, 08:01:28 am
I haven't been doing the full Noakes thing, but cutting out carbs, cereals, fast foods and sugars.

Started about a month ago at 101.7kg and decided to shed about 12kg.

Loss is slow, but like Welsh, my weight tends to go up and down, but on the whole losing about 150g/day.

This morning down to 97.4kg.  Aiming for what my wife refers to as "Two fat ladies" (88)

Too much wine on my side, sitting in the 105's for most of this month.  8)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Jughead on November 26, 2015, 10:11:49 am
I haven't been doing the full Noakes thing, but cutting out carbs, cereals, fast foods and sugars.

Started about a month ago at 101.7kg and decided to shed about 12kg.

Loss is slow, but like Welsh, my weight tends to go up and down, but on the whole losing about 150g/day.

This morning down to 97.4kg.  Aiming for what my wife refers to as "Two fat ladies" (88)

Too much wine on my side, sitting in the 105's for most of this month.  8)

What is "Too much wine"?  Don't understand!  >:D

Missus and I go through a bottle of red most evenings.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Man from Nam on November 26, 2015, 10:57:40 am
I also believe in the Banting diet
Be doing it for the past  four months and dropped 15 kg already. Don't get hungry if I have a proper protein breakfast. A high fat diet is typical Namibian and I don't miss carbs and sugar at all. Only thing I miss is a real beer every now and then :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on November 29, 2015, 07:54:15 pm
Doing a trip with some dogs this weekend and lots of beers and some starch brought me back to 106,5
Thought I am breaking 105 and now have to start again
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Roadhawg on December 01, 2015, 01:54:05 pm
The more muscle mass you have the quicker you'll lose wieght inititially (and the quicker you'll put back on if you go on a carb fest).

Glycogen stored in you rmuscles holds on to 2 molecules of water for every one molecule of glycogen.  As you use your muscles you use the glycogen for energy, but dont replace it with carb intake, water has nowhere to go and you pee it out and lose that initial weight.  More muscle mass = more glycogen stores to empty (and refill when you eat carbs again)

I try stay in ketosis Sunday to friday midday. Then I eat whatever I feel like from midday friday till saturday night.  I can pick up nearly 2 kgs in that 36hrs. But invariably Im lower than where I started from on the following Friday morning.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: cloudgazer on December 01, 2015, 02:21:20 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:

what are they suing him for?
What do they think it will achieve?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: JFE on December 01, 2015, 03:53:05 pm
So who is following the hearing?

Somehow think that the dietitian & her legal team is gonna be humiliated ... and then there will be a radical disruption in the "healthy diet industry"

You mean I will loose more weight if he wins?
the defense team have asked the question, since the society of dieticians sponsored the case, who sponsors them, ..... Unilever, Kellogg's Pro-nutro etc whoops :peepwall:

what are they suing him for?
What do they think it will achieve?
Apparently for being unethical in his practice and misleading the public with his dietary advise.
http://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/Healthy-foods/Tim-Noakes-to-face-inquiry-over-Banting-tweet-20150421 (http://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/Healthy-foods/Tim-Noakes-to-face-inquiry-over-Banting-tweet-20150421)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: DirtRebell on December 01, 2015, 03:58:03 pm
A question,

Who else suffering high uricic acid (gout)  has experienced an increase in severity from following this diet?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on December 01, 2015, 04:03:01 pm
A question,

Who else suffering high uricic acid (gout)  has experienced an increase in severity from following this diet?

Yip, gout increased and heartburn all but disappeared. Although my gout did not increase in severity, just in frequency. I'm not on any prescribed gout medication though. I manage it by increasing my daily water intake and reducing my daily coffee intake.
If I find a specific joint stiffening up, mostly in my feet and mostly after a boisterous weekend, then I pop a gout cocktail.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on December 01, 2015, 04:03:22 pm
A question,

Who else suffering high uricic acid (gout)  has experienced an increase in severity from following this diet?

Nope

My gout is gone
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Wooly Bugger on December 01, 2015, 04:35:15 pm
A question,

Who else suffering high uricic acid (gout)  has experienced an increase in severity from following this diet?

Yip, gout increased and heartburn all but disappeared. Although my gout did not increase in severity, just in frequency. I'm not on any prescribed gout medication though. I manage it by increasing my daily water intake and reducing my daily coffee intake.
If I find a specific joint stiffening up, mostly in my feet and mostly after a boisterous weekend, then I pop a gout cocktail.

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on December 13, 2015, 06:46:57 am
I haven't been doing the full Noakes thing, but cutting out carbs, cereals, fast foods and sugars.

Started about a month ago at 101.7kg and decided to shed about 12kg.

Loss is slow, but like Welsh, my weight tends to go up and down, but on the whole losing about 150g/day.

This morning down to 97.4kg.  Aiming for what my wife refers to as "Two fat ladies" (88)

Too much wine on my side, sitting in the 105's for most of this month.  8)

Still too much wine etc, but have dropped into the 104's now down 28kgs in 10.5 months ::)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: CaptainCrash on December 14, 2015, 03:36:57 pm

I have mates who swear by banting and have lost a lot of weight but like I tell them if you cut out an average of 12 beers a day of course you are going to loose weight.   

I personally believe Tim Noakes has got it half right I don't think carbs of any type are automatically bad for you or going to make you fat (unless you have a medical condition). Just be aware of what you are eating and just how much sugar / glycaemic carbs it contains. Things we think of as healthy: fruit juice, iced tea etc all have tons of sugar in them.

By having a higher ratio of proteins and fats in your diet it helps by keeping you full for longer but you don't need to replace carbs to get this effect.

I have seen other guys get just as much benefit if not more by swapping to a no processed foods diet (meat, veg (mix of low and hi GI), some fruit). Too much fat just like too much carbs is not good for your health and the old wisdom of a balanced diet is still the best.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 14, 2015, 04:43:02 pm
dont touch cereal

Eet jy nie olifant skilfers(cornflakes) nie?

Wat eet julle banting manne dan vir ontbyt?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: J-dog on December 14, 2015, 04:53:09 pm
Eggs and bacon or natural cereal and milk. No sugary cereal. Lost 18kg  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on December 14, 2015, 04:54:44 pm
My only issue is I am getting baggy, my skin has not caught up with a 29kg loss, sorry if it said 39kg earlier :peepwall:
Title: Re:
Post by: dirtyXT on December 15, 2015, 02:15:27 pm
Enough for a tog bag maybe?

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Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Jag man on January 10, 2016, 02:57:26 pm
Starting tomorrow ,calling in at 116kg .........
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on January 11, 2016, 08:53:33 am
ONLY PICKED UP 2kg from Xmas till now.  Came back from holiday yesterday

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on January 11, 2016, 10:25:53 am
picked up a metric shit-tonne since +- May last year.

Starting more or less from scratch again.

At least I know it is super do-able.

I have found that riding becomes wayyyy easier the fitter you are, or is that just me? ;)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: silvrav on January 11, 2016, 03:59:04 pm
was 110...come holidays, was 117kg  :patch: (blame the beer and wifes food)

been back on banting since 4th - back at 115kg already. Pushing for 105kg before baby comes (10weeks)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2016, 11:45:47 am
Same story for me.
Started December on 130kg and stopped Banting for the whole month, gained 6kg, that still leaves me 17kg down so I'm not too worried. Been getting back into banting slowly for the past week.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 4 Kays on January 13, 2016, 09:17:17 pm
Same story for me.
Started December on 130kg and stopped Banting for the whole month, gained 6kg, that still leaves me 17kg down so I'm not too worried. Been getting back into banting slowly for the past week.

Koedoeskloof het jou nie gehelp nie  :peepwall:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on January 14, 2016, 07:50:00 am
Same story for me.
Started December on 130kg and stopped Banting for the whole month, gained 6kg, that still leaves me 17kg down so I'm not too worried. Been getting back into banting slowly for the past week.

Koedoeskloof het jou nie gehelp nie  :peepwall:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

Ek blameer hom nie.  Daai Koedoe patties op Pita is heeeeeeerlik
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2016, 08:45:10 am
Same story for me.
Started December on 130kg and stopped Banting for the whole month, gained 6kg, that still leaves me 17kg down so I'm not too worried. Been getting back into banting slowly for the past week.

Koedoeskloof het jou nie gehelp nie  :peepwall:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

Daai is waarheid...
Bliksem!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Beemer Mike on January 15, 2016, 04:14:55 pm
Been on banting through Dec. as well as cross fit.
Started on 103kgs, now at 111kgs but told that is as a result of muscle being heavier than fat.

Will get there.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on January 19, 2016, 10:28:07 am
Back to 103

Now to get to the magical breaking of 100
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on January 19, 2016, 10:56:35 am
Back to 103

Now to get to the magical breaking of 100

good job, groot sense of achievement wanneer mens die triples club verlaat  ;D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on January 19, 2016, 11:02:56 am
Back to 103

Now to get to the magical breaking of 100
also at 102 lets see who hits a hundred first😎
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 19, 2016, 12:16:58 pm
Back to 103

Now to get to the magical breaking of 100
also at 102 lets see who hits a hundred first
Welsh just a friendly warning. When you go watch rubgy later this year pse do not lift both arms if chearing..........................................................................YOU WILL FALL THROUGH YOUR ARSE :deal: :eek7:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on January 19, 2016, 02:07:49 pm
Back to 103

Now to get to the magical breaking of 100
also at 102 lets see who hits a hundred first
Welsh just a friendly warning. When you go watch rubgy later this year pse do not lift both arms if chearing..........................................................................YOU WILL FALL THROUGH YOUR ARSE :deal: :eek7:

Will try to remember, I thought you might say I will fly away with my bat wings :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ou Krokkedil on January 19, 2016, 03:03:23 pm
Nee man die diet ding werk nie, Ek was laas jaar vir medies 114kg, oefen 2 maal per week en eet minder as n flippen mossie. vandag weer medies 114kg. my broeke val af my hemde lyk soos sake maar het nie een kilo verloor nie. en dan het het die nurse nog die cheat om vir my te tune, eish sir you are obese you must loose the weight.

Ek het tans minder as 20% vet in my liggaam volgens die toetse maar ek is obese, so hoe verloor n ou spier massa????

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on January 19, 2016, 03:16:07 pm
Nee man die diet ding werk nie, Ek was laas jaar vir medies 114kg, oefen 2 maal per week en eet minder as n flippen mossie. vandag weer medies 114kg. my broeke val af my hemde lyk soos sake maar het nie een kilo verloor nie. en dan het het die nurse nog die cheat om vir my te tune, eish sir you are obese you must loose the weight.

Ek het tans minder as 20% vet in my liggaam volgens die toetse maar ek is obese, so hoe verloor n ou spier massa????



Hoe lank is jy?  As jy oor 1,90 is sal ek nie te veel worry nie.  Als hang af hoe oud jy ook is?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on January 19, 2016, 03:32:05 pm
Nee man die diet ding werk nie, Ek was laas jaar vir medies 114kg, oefen 2 maal per week en eet minder as n flippen mossie. vandag weer medies 114kg. my broeke val af my hemde lyk soos sake maar het nie een kilo verloor nie. en dan het het die nurse nog die cheat om vir my te tune, eish sir you are obese you must loose the weight.

Ek het tans minder as 20% vet in my liggaam volgens die toetse maar ek is obese, so hoe verloor n ou spier massa????



Ja ek het ook so n ronde hardnekkige spier om my maag wat net nie wil padgee nie 😄
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 19, 2016, 03:44:16 pm
obese

Nee man jy het verkeerd gehoor sy het jou "oubaas" genoem :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: woody1 on January 19, 2016, 03:48:35 pm
Ou Baas Krokkedil :imaposer:

Of is dit Krokke Tril :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ou Krokkedil on January 20, 2016, 11:15:23 am
Ek is 1.8 en 40 met bietjie rente.

En dit is my tril as ek loop dan tril ek ek dril darem nie soos party vet ouens nie, ek ruik diesel as hulle verby loop want hulle is so duk soos n bus.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on January 20, 2016, 02:04:32 pm
Ek is 1.8 en 40 met bietjie rente.

En dit is my tril as ek loop dan tril ek ek dril darem nie soos party vet ouens nie, ek ruik diesel as hulle verby loop want hulle is so duk soos n bus.  :peepwall:

Ek is 45 en 1,83
My beste gewig is tussen 95 en 100

114 is defnitief te swaar.
Watse broek gote dra jy?

Ek is af van 44 na 36
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 20, 2016, 02:24:06 pm
 beste gewig

wat is beste gewig, meenende gemaklikste?
Ek voel op my gemaklikste op 85 maar haak vas op 95.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 20, 2016, 02:58:51 pm
Ek was self baie gemaklik op 85kg, maar dit was in std 8....
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on January 20, 2016, 03:03:20 pm
Where has that 10kg gone! Weighed myself this weekend and I am on 85kg...  :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 20, 2016, 03:04:26 pm
Ek was self baie gemaklik op 85kg, maar dit was in std 8....
Tien jaar terug toe ek die rook gelos het was ek 85 en die naaste wat ek daaraan gekom het was in 2014 toe ek so bietjie my keel toegewerk het en gesak het tot 88.

Is darem lekker om jou skoene vas te maak sonder dat dit voel jou longe wil uitpeul. :deal:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 20, 2016, 04:33:22 pm
Ek het net 'n verskriklike rum lus die laaste maand. Kan hom nie meer keer nie, so ek vat maar 'n rum en coke zero. Hoop nie vir te veel teenspoed nie.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Minxy on January 20, 2016, 09:18:05 pm
Been trying the banting thing the last few weeks. The most difficult part for me was leaving out chocolates, other than that I could really get used to eating like this. Here's just a few of my creations:

Hake in white wine and cream with bacon topping. Gem squash with butter, blue cheese and sage on the side.

(http://s5.postimg.org/6w58cqbcn/DSC_8984.jpg)

Bacon, Avo and Halloumi Salad.

(http://s5.postimg.org/ubn5i2v3r/DSC_8877.jpg)

Quiche with spinach, danish feta and biltong.

(http://s5.postimg.org/wp53939iv/DSC_8965.jpg)

Calamari and cabanossi with red peppers and garlic.

(http://s5.postimg.org/4nr1ve48n/IMG_20160120_WA0005.jpg)

And for dessert!
100% Banting coconut flour and xylitol muffin with almonds.

(http://s5.postimg.org/ijza7a0hj/DSC_8983.jpg)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 20, 2016, 09:21:51 pm
Whaaaaaaaat no chocolate?!!! :eek7:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Minxy on January 20, 2016, 09:40:36 pm
Whaaaaaaaat no chocolate?!!! :eek7:

Well, you can eat chocolate, it just has to be completely sugar and gluten and everything free :P Hence I came up with a banting muffin recipe :D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 21, 2016, 04:21:10 am
Recipe for the Quiche with spinach, danish feta and biltong   . Please
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 21, 2016, 05:08:00 am
Whaaaaaaaat no chocolate?!!! :eek7:

Well, you can eat chocolate, it just has to be completely sugar and gluten and everything free :P Hence I came up with a banting muffin recipe :D

I am making a chillie-chocolate.  I will post the recipe tonight. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on January 21, 2016, 05:53:46 am
Been trying the banting thing the last few weeks. The most difficult part for me was leaving out chocolates, other than that I could really get used to eating like this. Here's just a few of my creations:

Hake in white wine and cream with bacon topping. Gem squash with butter, blue cheese and sage on the side.

(http://s5.postimg.org/6w58cqbcn/DSC_8984.jpg)

Bacon, Avo and Halloumi Salad.

(http://s5.postimg.org/ubn5i2v3r/DSC_8877.jpg)

Quiche with spinach, danish feta and biltong.

(http://s5.postimg.org/wp53939iv/DSC_8965.jpg)

Calamari and cabanossi with red peppers and garlic.

(http://s5.postimg.org/4nr1ve48n/IMG_20160120_WA0005.jpg)

And for dessert!
100% Banting coconut flour and xylitol muffin with almonds.

(http://s5.postimg.org/ijza7a0hj/DSC_8983.jpg)
Minxy the Baron does a version of your Calamari, but cooks green and black olives in with it, it works.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Minxy on January 21, 2016, 08:35:13 am
Whaaaaaaaat no chocolate?!!! :eek7:

Well, you can eat chocolate, it just has to be completely sugar and gluten and everything free :P Hence I came up with a banting muffin recipe :D

I am making a chillie-chocolate.  I will post the recipe tonight. 

That sounds fantastic! Please share the recipe with us :)

And Welsh, I forgot to mention I added black olives to my calamari recipe too. It's sooo yummy!

Recipe for the Quiche with spinach, danish feta and biltong   . Please

Subie, the biltong quiche is really, really easy:

-Preheat Oven to 180 and prepare a round baking tin with some non stick spray or grease.

My measurements are not exact to yours. You must try judge how much you'll need according to the size baking tin you'll be using. This is how I do it:

-Put a good big handful of sliced biltong into a pan with some butter/fat. Stir for a min or two, then add two or so handfuls of cut spinach. Stir some more. Make sure not to overcook this though.
-Spread the biltong, spinach mix evenly throughout the bottom of the baking tin.
-Crumb some Danish feta over the biltong, spinach mix.

-In a separate bowl, mix 6 eggs together with a splash of cream and some salt/pepper.
-Gently pour egg mixture over the ingredients in the baking tin.
-To finish it off, grate some cheddar cheese over the top of everything you have in the tin.

-Put in the oven for 20 min.

Enjoy! :D
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 21, 2016, 10:33:21 am
This sounds very good.
Thanks, will be giving it a go.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 21, 2016, 12:26:05 pm
Whaaaaaaaat no chocolate?!!! :eek7:

Well, you can eat chocolate, it just has to be completely sugar and gluten and everything free :P Hence I came up with a banting muffin recipe :D

I am making a chillie-chocolate.  I will post the recipe tonight. 

That sounds fantastic! Please share the recipe with us :)

And Welsh, I forgot to mention I added black olives to my calamari recipe too. It's sooo yummy!

Recipe for the Quiche with spinach, danish feta and biltong   . Please

Subie, the biltong quiche is really, really easy:

-Preheat Oven to 180 and prepare a round baking tin with some non stick spray or grease.

My measurements are not exact to yours. You must try judge how much you'll need according to the size baking tin you'll be using. This is how I do it:

-Put a good big handful of sliced biltong into a pan with some butter/fat. Stir for a min or two, then add two or so handfuls of cut spinach. Stir some more. Make sure not to overcook this though.
-Spread the biltong, spinach mix evenly throughout the bottom of the baking tin.
-Crumb some Danish feta over the biltong, spinach mix.

-In a separate bowl, mix 6 eggs together with a splash of cream and some salt/pepper.
-Gently pour egg mixture over the ingredients in the baking tin.
-To finish it off, grate some cheddar cheese over the top of everything you have in the tin.

-Put in the oven for 20 min.

Enjoy! :D

Thank you Minxy  :thumleft:
Will make one tomorrow  :ricky:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 21, 2016, 05:15:25 pm
Hier is my chillie-chocolate

This is the original recipe - called THE EASIEST COCONUT OIL FUDGE YOU'LL EVER MAKE

half a cup coconut oil
half a cup cocoa powder
quarter cup honey
dash of vanilla (optional)

Mix ingredients in a medium glass bowl until smooth.  Spread into a small glass container ) (a 6 x 6 square worked for me) and refrigerate until solid.  Cut into squares and savor every bite.
Tips  :  coconut oil must be melted gently first.
You can get creative with this recipe and ad shredded coconut, almonds or walnuts as desired.

This is my version.  It tastes like Lindt Chillie Chocolate. 

half a cup coconut oil
half a cup cocoa powder
start with about 200ml sweetener and add if necessary.  (When I use Xylitol, I first chop it much finer)
dash of vanilla (I use at least 5ml vanilla)
Cayenne Pepper to taste.  (I use at least 5ml, but it is to hot for most people)

Make a small quantity and see if you like it before you waste half a cup of every thing.

Lekker eet. 



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 22, 2016, 08:20:48 am
Just as a friendly side note, remember Xylitol is extremely poisonous to dogs. I am not sure about cats or other pets.

Please keep this in mind when cooking and you have the urge to let Pluto lick the bowl...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 22, 2016, 08:24:24 am
Het ook begin so halfhartig. Gister bietjie geoefen en omtrent kruppel vandag so seer is my lyf  :xxbah:
Sal vir eers daai 5 pushups moet verminder na 3 toe  :snorting:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ou Krokkedil on January 22, 2016, 08:33:14 am
OK WHere do I get Xylitol I have to bassets I want to get rid off. :peepwall:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: subie on January 22, 2016, 08:38:18 am
OK WHere do I get Xylitol I have to bassets I want to get rid off. :peepwall:

Nee jong. Bassets is dan so oulik  ???
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ou Krokkedil on January 22, 2016, 08:43:52 am
oom subbie jy kan hulle kom haal as hulle so oulk is ek haat honde
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on January 22, 2016, 08:49:49 am
Just as a friendly side note, remember Xylitol is extremely poisonous to dogs. I am not sure about cats or other pets.

Please keep this in mind when cooking and you have the urge to let Pluto lick the bowl...

Blykbaar vir alle diere. 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Minxy on January 22, 2016, 10:13:32 am
Just as a friendly side note, remember Xylitol is extremely poisonous to dogs. I am not sure about cats or other pets.

Please keep this in mind when cooking and you have the urge to let Pluto lick the bowl...

Cats as well :( Would recommend to keep away from any pet!

"When cats ingest xylitol, it can prompt a sudden release of insulin, resulting in hypoglycemia. Common signs of xylitol consumption include vomiting, lethargy, dizziness, seizures and coma. A cat that eats xylitol may even get liver failure and die."
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on January 22, 2016, 11:19:46 am
Cats as well :( Would recommend to keep away from any pet!

"When cats ingest xylitol, it can prompt a sudden release of insulin, resulting in hypoglycemia. Common signs of xylitol consumption include vomiting, lethargy, dizziness, seizures and coma. A cat that eats xylitol may even get liver failure and die."

waaayyyy too much uncertainty there.

Dispirin and tuna still the way to go   :thumleft:
Title: Re:
Post by: KTMvan on September 12, 2016, 05:09:53 pm
Lost 35kg over 18 months doing the LCHF thing. 120 down to 85.  Wifey went from 89kg to 52kg. Cool thing is we both could cut Blood pressure meds by half and I could stop completely with gout meds. For the last 20 years I battled with continual heartburn, this is gone. Energy levels much higher for both of us. For us this really works :-)

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Title: Re:
Post by: MegaPix on September 12, 2016, 05:19:28 pm
Lost 35kg over 18 months doing the LCHF thing. 120 down to 85.  Wifey went from 89kg to 52kg. Cool thing is we both could cut Blood pressure meds by half and I could stop completely with gout meds. For the last 20 years I battled with continual heartburn, this is gone. Energy levels much higher for both of us. For us this really works :-)

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Fantastic.  I agree with you.  much more energy.  Lost 23kg in 10,5 months.  I am stable with my weight and wear a 36 pants now.
Title: Re:
Post by: hayleyscomet on September 12, 2016, 07:23:57 pm
Lost 35kg over 18 months doing the LCHF thing. 120 down to 85.  Wifey went from 89kg to 52kg. Cool thing is we both could cut Blood pressure meds by half and I could stop completely with gout meds. For the last 20 years I battled with continual heartburn, this is gone. Energy levels much higher for both of us. For us this really works :-)

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That's Excellent

We have had as much success doing it together

Well done
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: T Rex on September 12, 2016, 07:32:49 pm
Guys , I am a maargat ..... ( no money for food )  :imaposer: but I admire your weight loss.

However at my age , high blood pressure and Cholesterol are the silent killers .

What stats / experiences do you have pre - and post- the Noakes diet ??
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: MegaPix on September 12, 2016, 07:40:58 pm
Guys , I am a maargat ..... ( no money for food )  :imaposer: but I admire your weight loss.

However at my age , high blood pressure and Cholesterol are the silent killers .

What stats / experiences do you have pre - and post- the Noakes diet ??

Always had good cholesterol and have perfect blood pressure.

I am a very healthy outjie
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: T Rex on September 12, 2016, 07:44:05 pm
Guys , I am a maargat ..... ( no money for food )  :imaposer: but I admire your weight loss.

However at my age , high blood pressure and Cholesterol are the silent killers .

What stats / experiences do you have pre - and post- the Noakes diet ??

Always had good cholesterol and have perfect blood pressure.

I am a very healthy outjie

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Fudmucker on September 13, 2016, 04:07:07 am
On the matter of Quiche...

A quiche is a savoury baked custard dish, often made to use up chopped leftover veggies.  The veggies should not be wet or the custard will not set unless you add more egg to the custard mix.
Originally it was made with a crust that you blind bake before adding filling and custard mix.
I make a bake once crustless version.
I also preheat the oven to 180C, but I prefer baking at 140-160C for 45min - 1hour as it is less likely to burn the top crust.

The "crust" is made from a heaped tablespoon Smash powder and 2 large (read smallest) eggs with a dash of mustard in the liquidiser.  Pour the thick mix into a cold, buttered shallow quiche pan until it just covers the base.
Fill with layers of lekker stuff left over from other meals or your own personal favourite filling.
Chopped raw spinach and crumbled feta with cooked mushrooms is lekker.
I prefer bacon, cheese, cooked mushrooms and grated raw baby marrows.
Onion is less successful as it is very moist - rather use green spring onion tops.
 
Make the custard mix with 250ml cream, 250ml milk, 6 large (read smallest) eggs and a heaped teaspoon of mustard.
It works best if you add the cream last while the liquidiser is churning up the rest.
(Don't beat the cream only or you may get butter.)
Do NOT add salt if you are using bacon or feta, but a little cayenne pepper adds "skop"

Bake for 45min @ 160 - longer if your pan is deeper than 2cm.

(The deeper the liguid mixture, the longer it takes to set. 
You will burn the top and sides before the middle sets if you turn up the heat!)

Take the pan out of the oven and use a knife to test if the middle is set.
If not, bake another 10-15min and try again.
When it is set, sprinkle a little grated cheddar cheese on top and return to the oven.
Turn down the heat to 100C or even less and bake for another 10-15min until the cheese is melted.
Take out of the oven and let it stand out for 5 min to rest and fully melt the cheese on top.
Serve in generous slices, lifting out with a cake lifter or egg lifter.

The egg binds the milk/cream mixture into a lekker soft spicy cheesy stiff custard.
The egg+smash just helps to get it out of the pan.
If you are ultra-strictly banting, you can omit the crust and dish up with a spoon.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on September 13, 2016, 06:19:30 am
I am down 39kg and am not pedantic about the diet now, but I am stable and have been for 4 months I hover between 93.5 and 94.5 which is fine by me, blood pressure was 132/73 on Sunday in casualty, due to a momentary lapse of talent.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Dwerg on September 13, 2016, 07:58:57 am
On the matter of Quiche...

A quiche is a savoury baked custard dish, often made to use up chopped leftover veggies.  The veggies should not be wet or the custard will not set unless you add more egg to the custard mix.
Originally it was made with a crust that you blind bake before adding filling and custard mix.
I make a bake once crustless version.
I also preheat the oven to 180C, but I prefer baking at 140-160C for 45min - 1hour as it is less likely to burn the top crust.

The "crust" is made from a heaped tablespoon Smash powder and 2 large (read smallest) eggs with a dash of mustard in the liquidiser.  Pour the thick mix into a cold, buttered shallow quiche pan until it just covers the base.
Fill with layers of lekker stuff left over from other meals or your own personal favourite filling.
Chopped raw spinach and crumbled feta with cooked mushrooms is lekker.
I prefer bacon, cheese, cooked mushrooms and grated raw baby marrows.
Onion is less successful as it is very moist - rather use green spring onion tops.
 
Make the custard mix with 250ml cream, 250ml milk, 6 large (read smallest) eggs and a heaped teaspoon of mustard.
It works best if you add the cream last while the liquidiser is churning up the rest.
(Don't beat the cream only or you may get butter.)
Do NOT add salt if you are using bacon or feta, but a little cayenne pepper adds "skop"

Bake for 45min @ 160 - longer if your pan is deeper than 2cm.

(The deeper the liguid mixture, the longer it takes to set. 
You will burn the top and sides before the middle sets if you turn up the heat!)

Take the pan out of the oven and use a knife to test if the middle is set.
If not, bake another 10-15min and try again.
When it is set, sprinkle a little grated cheddar cheese on top and return to the oven.
Turn down the heat to 100C or even less and bake for another 10-15min until the cheese is melted.
Take out of the oven and let it stand out for 5 min to rest and fully melt the cheese on top.
Serve in generous slices, lifting out with a cake lifter or egg lifter.

The egg binds the milk/cream mixture into a lekker soft spicy cheesy stiff custard.
The egg+smash just helps to get it out of the pan.
If you are ultra-strictly banting, you can omit the crust and dish up with a spoon.


Or frittata if you will  ;D

I use a lot less dairy in the mix, less than 50% dairy and also add grated cheese into the mix. Beat the eggs very well to get some air in. It will lighten the end result. You can also substitute the milk/cream with creme fraiche/sour cream/yoghurt
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: KTMvan on September 13, 2016, 08:23:57 am
T Rex you asked about Cholestrol... Cholestrol being a killer seems to be a myth after all "So it has taken the US 40 years to rehabilitate cholesterol’s reputation. The government is reportedly poised to drop official health warnings on cholesterol because the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee says it is no longer “considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption” – a clumsy way of saying you can eat as much cholesterol as you like.

Better late than never you might say, and anyway, what’s a few decades between friends? Quite a lot, actually, when you consider the suffering and preventable, premature deaths of millions of people around the globe as a consequence of wrong dietary advice.


The committee’s report comes at the same time as original research by British obesity specialist Zoe Harcombe published in BMJ Open Heart. Harcombe and her team’s systematic review and meta-analysis  conclude that “evidence from randomised controlled trials did not support the introduction of dietary fat guidelines in 1977 and 1983”. (Randomised controlled trials are the gold standard of scientific research.)

In other words, official dietary fat guidelines in the US, UK,  and all other countries that have followed suit, including South Africa, are without scientific foundation." from http://www.biznews.com/health/2015/02/16/science-says-tim-noakes-is-right-on-cholesterol-lchf-and-a-whole-lot-else/ (http://www.biznews.com/health/2015/02/16/science-says-tim-noakes-is-right-on-cholesterol-lchf-and-a-whole-lot-else/)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: FrancoisTz on September 13, 2016, 08:44:53 am
Medical science wrewrites intself on average every 20 years, thus wha tis bad today will be good in 20 years time and vice versa. Although still makes sense to listen to some of it.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Kamanya on September 13, 2016, 09:38:58 am
Medical science wrewrites intself on average every 20 years, thus wha tis bad today will be good in 20 years time and vice versa. Although still makes sense to listen to some of it.

Same as fashion!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on September 13, 2016, 10:15:30 am
have you guys watched "that sugar film" ?

illustrates the dangers of "Low Fat" very clearly in real life experiment  :lol8: movie worth watching, think it's on youtube.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bernoulli on September 13, 2016, 12:56:35 pm
With the question re. cholesterol and banting having been asked, I thought it appropriate to share my story. I realize it is mine and should not be presented as medical fact, but someone may benefit from the process I followed.

About myself:
I am a white, afrikaans male that carries the familial hypercholesterol gene that is well documented for its prevalence amongst the white Afrikaner and Jewish populations. I inherited it from my father and (unfortunately) passed it on to my children.
I was brought up on the low-fat diet and drank statins ever since I can remember, and in that way controlled my cholesterol numbers to within the ranges the doctors approved.

About banting
When Noakes started preaching banting, it caught my attention since
However, all the published information dealt with diabetes and banting. I struggled to find anything on cholesterol and banting. So I started my own quest.

I contacted Noakes for advice and he referred me to a GP who is a banter himself and uses it in his practice. Did some more tests and eventually had the following conversation with him:

Hart disease has 5 known causes : smoking, obesity, high blood pressure, being unfit and cholesterol. Of these five, only one (the cholesterol) presents in my case. Furthermore banting increased my HDL count, thereby reducing my risk factor (relationship between Trigliseride and HDL). So, even though my absolute cholesterol count is well above the accepted norm, my risk is contained.

Additionally, removing sugar and carbs from my diet, I am removing the cause of the irritation in the bloodvessels that causes the injury to them that attracts the lipoproteins to accumulate and cause obstruction.

So I am happily banting forth, without any medication with a total cholesterol count in excess of 10!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: T Rex on September 18, 2016, 07:42:49 am
T Rex you asked about Cholestrol... Cholestrol being a killer seems to be a myth after all "So it has taken the US 40 years to rehabilitate cholesterol’s reputation. The government is reportedly poised to drop official health warnings on cholesterol because the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee says it is no longer “considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption” – a clumsy way of saying you can eat as much cholesterol as you like.

Better late than never you might say, and anyway, what’s a few decades between friends? Quite a lot, actually, when you consider the suffering and preventable, premature deaths of millions of people around the globe as a consequence of wrong dietary advice.


The committee’s report comes at the same time as original research by British obesity specialist Zoe Harcombe published in BMJ Open Heart. Harcombe and her team’s systematic review and meta-analysis  conclude that “evidence from randomised controlled trials did not support the introduction of dietary fat guidelines in 1977 and 1983”. (Randomised controlled trials are the gold standard of scientific research.)

In other words, official dietary fat guidelines in the US, UK,  and all other countries that have followed suit, including South Africa, are without scientific foundation." from http://www.biznews.com/health/2015/02/16/science-says-tim-noakes-is-right-on-cholesterol-lchf-and-a-whole-lot-else/ (http://www.biznews.com/health/2015/02/16/science-says-tim-noakes-is-right-on-cholesterol-lchf-and-a-whole-lot-else/)


With the question re. cholesterol and banting having been asked, I thought it appropriate to share my story. I realize it is mine and should not be presented as medical fact, but someone may benefit from the process I followed.

About myself:
I am a white, afrikaans male that carries the familial hypercholesterol gene that is well documented for its prevalence amongst the white Afrikaner and Jewish populations. I inherited it from my father and (unfortunately) passed it on to my children.
I was brought up on the low-fat diet and drank statins ever since I can remember, and in that way controlled my cholesterol numbers to within the ranges the doctors approved.

About banting
When Noakes started preaching banting, it caught my attention since
  • it highlighted a change in the accepted wisdom re the relationship between eating habits and health
  • the side effects of the statins were becoming evident and I was taking more and more pills to address those - a spiral of escalating costs that nobody could foresee the end of.

However, all the published information dealt with diabetes and banting. I struggled to find anything on cholesterol and banting. So I started my own quest.
  • I had my regular blood tests done to establish a base-line
  • I then started banting, following Noakes' guidelines diligently and repeated the blood tests after 3 months. To my delight, all the indicators improved!
  • I then stopped all the medication, carried on banting and 3 months later repeated the blood test again. My cholesterol (especially LDL) shot sky-high

I contacted Noakes for advice and he referred me to a GP who is a banter himself and uses it in his practice. Did some more tests and eventually had the following conversation with him:

Hart disease has 5 known causes : smoking, obesity, high blood pressure, being unfit and cholesterol. Of these five, only one (the cholesterol) presents in my case. Furthermore banting increased my HDL count, thereby reducing my risk factor (relationship between Trigliseride and HDL). So, even though my absolute cholesterol count is well above the accepted norm, my risk is contained.

Additionally, removing sugar and carbs from my diet, I am removing the cause of the irritation in the bloodvessels that causes the injury to them that attracts the lipoproteins to accumulate and cause obstruction.

So I am happily banting forth, without any medication with a total cholesterol count in excess of 10!


Thank you for the info  and feedback ... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bronzy on November 04, 2016, 03:46:09 pm
started middle last month down 8 kilos and plenty to go
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Buff on November 04, 2016, 03:59:12 pm
Started a week ago, so far I've lost 7days  :o
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: wobble07 on January 09, 2017, 11:13:20 am
I have been following a low carb diet for two years and all going well. I used to cycle six days a week and lost lots of weight, but unfortunately muscle mass as well. I started researching diets with regards to building muscle and found that carbs are still important for muscle gains, and started introducing more "clean" carbs and eaten only around my training/gym. - Sweet potato, Rolled Oates, Basmati rice and vegetables. I stay away from sugar in any form but find it very difficult to gain muscle mass. .I try to keep my carb intake less than 40g on non training days and 120g on training days.production. Any other dogs have experience on this?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on January 09, 2017, 11:54:13 am
I have been following a low carb diet for two years and all going well. I used to cycle six days a week and lost lots of weight, but unfortunately muscle mass as well. I started researching diets with regards to building muscle and found that carbs are still important for muscle gains, and started introducing more "clean" carbs and eaten only around my training/gym. - Sweet potato, Rolled Oates, Basmati rice and vegetables. I stay away from sugar in any form but find it very difficult to gain muscle mass. .I try to keep my carb intake less than 40g on non training days and 120g on training days.production. Any other dogs have experience on this?

you need to say how much you weigh, 40g for one can be a lot and for another nothing.
Also, where does this 40g come from, as the normal banting diet will have 30g carbs in it as trace carbs in veggies and stuff.
Then also you need to remember, you can eat as healthy as you want, banting as much as you want, it wont make a difference to your total weight. To gain muscle or weight you must be in a calorific surplus. You see currently that you are not gaining, in other words you need more calories. If you find you are tired all the time it will be good if those calories are from carbs.
You can try to gain muscle on banting (rather keto) but its not advised, banting or Noakes is not the best for gaining muscle, its good for cutting (can be argued) and very good for learning good eating habits.

It seems like you are precise with what you do, so weigh your food for a week, track EVERYTHING on something like myfitnesspall app on android, then increase calories by 500 per day, continue tracking and check if you gained after a month. If you did not gain, add another 500calories.
try to do 1.5g of protein per one lb of lean body mass. on fats vs carbs, google carb cycling, I like it.

ëxample, my diet:
1: 40g oats & 30g protein shake
2: post exercise - 30g dextrose & 45g shake
3: 200g beef & 50g brown rice and veggies
4: Lunch 200g chicken & veggies and maybe some sweet potato or leftover rice
5: half of - (3 whole eggs and 200g chicken or beef and some veggies and 30g almonds)
6: other half of nr 5
7: about 200g whatever meat and veggies and 15g of peanut butter.

that is bodybuilder 2g protein per lb LBM, all carbs around training.
On high carb days I double the carbs if not more, and cut from fats and a little from protein.

Again, you can only gain weight if you are in calorific surplus, you cant build a house without bricks.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2017, 12:15:31 pm
Nice answer m0lt3n.

From my uninformed point of view it sounds like wobble's diet is a little low on fat, which sort of ties into your calorific surplus point.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: wobble07 on January 09, 2017, 01:46:30 pm
Thanks Guys.  You  are right!, I should be more specific. I am realising building muscle on a low carb diet does not work.(at my age) I was very strict on my banting regime and kept my carb intake below 20g a day( some days less than 10g,). I increased my fat intake when on the bike but kept on shedding weight. When I started banting, I weighed 77kg, with 19% body fat. I dropped to 66kg  with a body fat of 9% within two years, and realised the more fat I ate the more I was losing! I started supplementing with MCT oils and extra protein shakes, Bcaa,s , Creatine etc.. Both my sons ( one an IBFF podium finisher and the other a WBFF Pro), advised me to increase my carb intake around training sessions. Some 14 months ago, I started cycling less (Once a week) and do a 5 day weight training programme. Cautiously I started adding carbs and got my weight  back to 76kg. my body fat is at 11%. The progress is slow and I know more carbs would do the "trick". The problem is that I realised how well banting works! I am 53 and obviously with declining testo levels am battling to increase muscle. I enjoy the science behind this all and realise banting is not for building muscle. I know endurance athletes who do well on a banting diet, however they will never have a body builders physique,.and I am learning this the hard way..
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on January 09, 2017, 01:59:23 pm
Thanks Guys.  You  are right!, I should be more specific. I am realising building muscle on a low carb diet does not work.(at my age) I was very strict on my banting regime and kept my carb intake below 20g a day( some days less than 10g,). I increased my fat intake when on the bike but kept on shedding weight. When I started banting, I weighed 77kg, with 19% body fat. I dropped to 66kg  with a body fat of 9% within two years, and realised the more fat I ate the more I was losing! I started supplementing with MCT oils and extra protein shakes, Bcaa,s , Creatine etc.. Both my sons ( one an IBFF podium finisher and the other a WBFF Pro), advised me to increase my carb intake around training sessions. Some 14 months ago, I started cycling less (Once a week) and do a 5 day weight training programme. Cautiously I started adding carbs and got my weight  back to 76kg. my body fat is at 11%. The progress is slow and I know more carbs would do the "trick". The problem is that I realised how well banting works! I am 53 and obviously with declining testo levels am battling to increase muscle. I enjoy the science behind this all and realise banting is not for building muscle. I know endurance athletes who do well on a banting diet, however they will never have a body builders physique,.and I am learning this the hard way..

Really sounds like you are dedicated and have the resources at hand to make a change to your body in whatever way you want.
Your sons will also tell you, something else to keep in mind is your muscles look flat without carbs. When you cut carbs you have a sudden weight loss, carbs retain water. This higher hydration in muscles is also healthier when training hard and heavy (and looks better) especially as one gets older.

11% bf is not to bad at all, even for a person in the prime of his life. So whatevever you are doing is working, sounds to me like you are on the right track, add a little more carbs around training maybe, and if you train twice a day you are going to need a sugar spike inbetween to replenish glycogen levels.

Again, google carb cycling. you like banting, so carb cycling (protocals differ) is basically a few low carb days and a few high carb days. so you can stick to banting, and then when you start feeling tired you do a refeed on carbs. it is also sustainable as you almost have cheat days except that they do more good than bad, you litteraly have veins popping and look more lean a few hours after a cheat meal. and I mean you can even have a mcflurry. (google dwayne johnson and cheat meals, some epic meals). weight loss will still depend on calorific surplus/deficit.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: wobble07 on January 09, 2017, 02:26:07 pm
Thanks m0lt.3n!

I have looked at cycling and will be adding this.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Boerbok on February 11, 2017, 09:00:49 pm
I've been on LCHF diet since mid 2015, and lost 20 kg in the first 5 months. 103kg to 83 kg. I'm back to 24 BMI, normal BP, and my 13 year old wedding suit fits me again.  I've hovered between 81 and 83 kg for the last year on a slightly more lenient version (still no wheat or sugar or other obvious carbs, but I have a fruit and some red wine and dark chocolate daily). My chronic hayfever and allergies have completely disappeared. Energy levels are great, and no cravings or hunger at all.

Best thing since sliced bread!

Only negative is both wifey and I have developed a servere xylitol/stevia/artificial sweetner sensitivity after a few months, so we cannot eat that at all anymore.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on February 12, 2017, 05:34:37 am
I've been on LCHF diet since mid 2015, and lost 20 kg in the first 5 months. 103kg to 83 kg. I'm back to 24 BMI, normal BP, and my 13 year old wedding suit fits me again.  I've hovered between 81 and 83 kg for the last year on a slightly more lenient version (still no wheat or sugar or other obvious carbs, but I have a fruit and some red wine and dark chocolate daily). My chronic hayfever and allergies have completely disappeared. Energy levels are great, and no cravings or hunger at all.

Best thing since sliced bread!

Only negative is both wifey and I have developed a servere xylitol/stevia/artificial sweetner sensitivity after a few months, so we cannot eat that at all anymore.

If I may ask, how did the xylitol sensitivity show up, upset stomach or a rash?  8)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on February 12, 2017, 12:18:15 pm
and how much sweetener were you actually using?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: BiG DoM on February 12, 2017, 12:52:36 pm
Wean yourself of that shyte as well - most are just as poisonous as sugar! Aspartame is the worst.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Boerbok on February 12, 2017, 06:50:54 pm
and how much sweetener were you actually using?

Modest amounts to be honest... We used it mostly as directed in LCHF recipies for baked foods, the odd banting dessert now and again, but we never indulged in large amounts of Xylitol/Stevia sweetened foods or drinks. At one point my wife even got a bad reaction from two pieces of Xylitol-containing chewing gum... As a result we've eliminated all artificial sweetners and sugar alcohols completely from our diet, with no more problems.

It shows up the next day as severe stomach cramps and diarrhea... I believe it is because sugar-alcohols move undigested into the bowels where it can cause problems for some people. During our research we discovered that some supposedly "pure" and natural brands of Stevia may also contain Xylitol, or its cousin Erythritol. Swear words in my house...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on February 13, 2017, 07:23:21 am
and how much sweetener were you actually using?

Modest amounts to be honest... We used it mostly as directed in LCHF recipies for baked foods, the odd banting dessert now and again, but we never indulged in large amounts of Xylitol/Stevia sweetened foods or drinks. At one point my wife even got a bad reaction from two pieces of Xylitol-containing chewing gum... As a result we've eliminated all artificial sweetners and sugar alcohols completely from our diet, with no more problems.

It shows up the next day as severe stomach cramps and diarrhea... I believe it is because sugar-alcohols move undigested into the bowels where it can cause problems for some people. During our research we discovered that some supposedly "pure" and natural brands of Stevia may also contain Xylitol, or its cousin Erythritol. Swear words in my house...

Nice to know. Thanks for the reply.

I would think large amounts of sweetener will cause this intolerance, which was why I asked.
Personally I drink coffee without sugar, and absolutely no cooldrink. Then the rest of the time (in moderation) I dont worry about using sugar. ITs debatable if you win when you use sweetener vs sugar, the argument being your body is digesting an almost poison, while doing this it cant burn fat.
But there is loads of studies showing no side efects from the use of sweetener...so it stays a personal decision or, like in your case, experience
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bronzy on February 20, 2017, 11:43:45 am
started middle last month down 8 kilos and plenty to go
well end of February approaching and down 20 kilos employed a personal trainer (best thing I did for this lazy bones ) good motivation when somebody watches you train  :thumleft: :thumleft:

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: bud500 on February 20, 2017, 12:49:20 pm
started middle last month down 8 kilos and plenty to go
well end of February approaching and down 20 kilos employed a personal trainer (best thing I did for this lazy bones ) good motivation when somebody watches you train  :thumleft: :thumleft:

Well done!
After restarting my diet in the beginning of January, I have dropped 7kgs. All these kgs were due to being slapgat and on holiday.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on February 20, 2017, 12:59:49 pm
you guys must be careful of using a scale to rate progress, look at the mirror and rate your progress in what you see. take pics for motivation.
carbs retain water, so if you go to banting you lose up to 5kg in the first week, that is all water. One cant healthily loose more than 1.5kg of fat a week (and even that is pushing it).

most diets restrict carbs, so this is also why the old ladies do crash diets, they score big time in first week, and then expect to continue to see the same results...not happening. They then get demotivated and stop till the next crash diet.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on February 20, 2017, 01:16:44 pm
you guys must be careful of using a scale to rate progress, look at the mirror and rate your progress in what you see. take pics for motivation.
carbs retain water, so if you go to banting you lose up to 5kg in the first week, that is all water. One cant healthily loose more than 1.5kg of fat a week (and even that is pushing it).

most diets restrict carbs, so this is also why the old ladies do crash diets, they score big time in first week, and then expect to continue to see the same results...not happening. They then get demotivated and stop till the next crash diet.

I lost 40 kgs but over 18 months, I have been at the same weight for 8 months now, so it means that I can have a beer the occasional pasta pizza etc etc BUT stable.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on February 20, 2017, 01:50:27 pm
Thats awesome Welch. Must have been a lot of hard work in there
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: chicco on February 20, 2017, 01:56:39 pm
I've been on a Low/no Carb diet now from Nov 2016, also swopped my MTB for a pair of takkies. Lost 12kg in 3 months, must admit Dec was a challange... still drinking beer and will have a pizza from time to time, but no more bread, putu, patatoes or rice.

running now 5-10 km every 2nd day, feel so confident that I have entered the 2OC 21KM in April.

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on February 20, 2017, 02:02:22 pm
Not really hard work, I enjoy sea food, meat and vegetables, not a sweet or desert person and it is just a carb elimination issue. I actually enjoy the food. If I can eat bacon, egg, tomatoes, mushrooms for breakfast and a bolognaise sauce with stuffed green peppers or cauliflower rice I am 100% cool with it.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: m0lt3n on February 20, 2017, 02:04:54 pm
Not really hard work, I enjoy sea food, meat and vegetables, not a sweet or desert person and it is just a carb elimination issue. I actually enjoy the food. If I can eat bacon, egg, tomatoes, mushrooms for breakfast and a bolognaise sauce with stuffed green peppers or cauliflower rice I am 100% cool with it.

Sounds good. I just had my second T bone for today with a bucnh of veggies! :)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on February 20, 2017, 02:05:58 pm
Thats awesome Welch. Must have been a lot of hard work in there

+1 well done mr Welch   :thumleft:

I've been on a Low/no Carb diet now from Nov 2016, also swopped my MTB for a pair of takkies. Lost 12kg in 3 months, must admit Dec was a challange... still drinking beer and will have a pizza from time to time, but no more bread, putu, patatoes or rice.

running now 5-10 km every 2nd day, feel so confident that I have entered the 2OC 21KM in April.


awesome chicco!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Ou Krokkedil on February 23, 2017, 10:49:56 am
OK WHere do I get Xylitol I have to bassets I want to get rid off. :peepwall:

More than a year later the bassets are still alive. :imaposer:



Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Bernoulli on February 23, 2017, 12:38:04 pm
I've been on a Low/no Carb diet now from Nov 2016, also swopped my MTB for a pair of takkies. Lost 12kg in 3 months, must admit Dec was a challange... still drinking beer and will have a pizza from time to time, but no more bread, putu, patatoes or rice.

running now 5-10 km every 2nd day, feel so confident that I have entered the 2OC 21KM in April.

You will love it, it is a stunning race! :thumleft:

Some tips to make it even better (I have done 10)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: chicco on February 23, 2017, 01:28:37 pm
I've been on a Low/no Carb diet now from Nov 2016, also swopped my MTB for a pair of takkies. Lost 12kg in 3 months, must admit Dec was a challange... still drinking beer and will have a pizza from time to time, but no more bread, putu, patatoes or rice.

running now 5-10 km every 2nd day, feel so confident that I have entered the 2OC 21KM in April.

You will love it, it is a stunning race! :thumleft:

Some tips to make it even better (I have done 10)
  • Make sure you are comfortable with long hills :eek7:. There is one up Edinburg Drive within the first 5 km and then the real "separator-of-men-from-boys" is the 3 km up Southern Cross >:D >:D
  • Unless you are an elite runner and start in the first group, do not try to run a PB in this race!. 16000 people is a lot, the road is clogged up :imaposer: Rather enjoy the scenery, the local supporters and the vibe. If you are in the back lot (like me) you are bound to meet up with Michelle, a legendary local :lol8: :lol8: Short lady, middle-aged and very vocal - from the start to the finish!!

We are a group of about 12 friends doing it together, look out for our yellow Bell hats.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: ChrisMann on April 21, 2017, 01:15:29 pm

Tim Noakes found not guilty.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-tim-noakes-verdict-expected-20170421

Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on April 21, 2017, 02:14:09 pm

Tim Noakes found not guilty.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-tim-noakes-verdict-expected-20170421

good. that silly case wasted enough of his life.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on April 23, 2017, 04:20:13 pm
Lekker! :sip:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on April 23, 2017, 06:31:03 pm
A court case won by the common man over the giant corporations, did they get costs? 
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on April 23, 2017, 08:04:08 pm
A court case won by the common man over the giant corporations, did they get costs?
It was a tribunal not a civil trial.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 1ougat on April 23, 2017, 10:18:16 pm
Think his reps did it pro-bono - it was seen as a public interest case
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on April 24, 2017, 06:07:25 am
A court case won by the common man over the giant corporations, did they get costs?
It was a tribunal not a civil trial.
Whoops   ::) :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sagittaire on May 13, 2017, 11:45:37 am
Apparently the HPCSA are challenging the Noakes not guilty verdict, seems they are desperate to get a result in their favour.  It makes you wonder why.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Welsh on May 13, 2017, 03:58:08 pm
Apparently the HPCSA are challenging the Noakes not guilty verdict, seems they are desperate to get a result in their favour.  It makes you wonder why.
big business and vested interests don't like it. 🙄😎
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: jvb on May 14, 2017, 02:29:23 pm
Follow the money
HSF= Heart and Stroke foundation
Tiger brands
Willowton group
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: cloudgazer on May 15, 2017, 10:50:59 am
Follow the money
HSF= Heart and Stroke foundation
Tiger brands
Willowton group

How is the HSF linked to HPCSA?
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: 0012 on May 15, 2017, 12:34:21 pm
Follow the money
HSF= Heart and Stroke foundation
Tiger brands
Willowton group


 :laughing4:   :imaposer:  wow, big corporate hey!
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: jvb on May 15, 2017, 02:42:05 pm
All benefit from the same sponsors, grants,etc. and are all tentacles of the same creature.
It is no coincidence that they all espouse the same b.s. almost verbatim.

"The Health Professions Council of SA (HPCSA) was hearing final argument in the protracted hearing into a complaint by the
former president of the Association for Dietetics in South Africa, Claire Julsing-Strydom."

http://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/Healthy-diets/noakes-being-charged-for-having-different-view-lawyer-20170404

A summary here.

http://www.biznews.com/low-carb-healthy-fat-science/2015/04/28/is-tim-noakes-really-sas-new-dr-death-big-fat-surprise-banting-lchf/
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on May 15, 2017, 02:55:42 pm
Follow the money
HSF= Heart and Stroke foundation
Tiger brands
Willowton group

How is the HSF linked to HPCSA?
They fund them...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Geriatrix on May 18, 2017, 07:12:41 am


http://www.medicalbrief.co.za/archives/noakes-calls-practitioners-support-hpcsa-witchhunt/

Noakes calls on practitioners to support him against HPCSA ‘witchhunt’
Professor Tim Noakes claims the Health Professions Council of SA‘s decision to appeal the majority ruling finding him not guilty of misconduct smacks of a witch-hunt set on his prosecution and persecution, says a Health24 report.

‘My legal team and I had originally chosen to go quietly into the night following the successful judgment delivered by Advocate Joan Adams in my favour.’


In what has became the most closely watched HPCSA hearings yet, the Banting guru faced being struck off as a registered medical practitioner. The HPCSA has confirmed that the saga is now set to continue. ‘Please note that the HPCSA on 10 May 2017 filed a notice to appeal the majority judgment of the Professional Conduct Committee. Professor Noakes has also filed a cross-appeal regarding the failure by the committee to award costs in the majority judgment,’ it said.

Noakes said his legal team will now vigorously pursue all the injustices done to him during the hearing process.

“We will be encouraging South African medical practitioners who disagree with the trial to begin questioning why their subscriptions to the HPCSA are being wasted in this spiteful and malignant witch hunt.”

Full Health24 report
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: LeonDude on May 18, 2017, 07:55:05 am
SUB.
I lost 10KG on this diet, without trying too hard. I don't really want to lose more, but I guess the love handles might have to go, although I'm sure only excercise will get rid of those.
I still drink lots of beer and not going to stop that, but feeling great at my current weight. Need to read the rest of this thread to pick up on some recipes. The one thing that this diet does, is that it forces me to make good food. Gone are the days of slapping something on four slices of bread and wolfing it down.
:)
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: RobC on May 18, 2017, 02:25:46 pm
SUB.
I lost 10KG on this diet, without trying too hard. I don't really want to lose more, but I guess the love handles might have to go, although I'm sure only excercise will get rid of those.
I still drink lots of beer and not going to stop that, but feeling great at my current weight. Need to read the rest of this thread to pick up on some recipes. The one thing that this diet does, is that it forces me to make good food. Gone are the days of slapping something on four slices of bread and wolfing it down.
:)
:thumleft:
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Sagittaire on May 19, 2017, 07:11:51 pm
For what it's worth, some doctor is running a petition in support of Noakes and the have 5000 or so signatures...
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Pistonpete on May 19, 2017, 07:18:20 pm
Follow the money
HSF= Heart and Stroke foundation
Tiger brands
Willowton group
True story...i read one of the reports & it links almost every detractor to the food industry
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Geriatrix on May 19, 2017, 08:03:36 pm
For what it's worth, some doctor is running a petition in support of Noakes and the have 5000 or so signatures...

When I wrote to the Health Professions Council my message was not even acknowledged. There must be a lot of money being lost because of Prof Noakes. Facts mean little once money is being lost.
Title: Re: Tim Noakes diet
Post by: Geriatrix on May 19, 2017, 08:14:56 pm
http://foodmed.net/2017/05/14/noakes-hpcsa-not-guilty-appeal/


https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Health_Professions_Council_of_South_Africa_Prof_Tim_Noakes_Stop_the_Witchhunt_against_him/?cMsXDbb&utm_source=sharetools&utm_medium=copy&utm_campaign=petition-423639-Health_Professions_Council_of_South_Africa_Prof_Tim_Noakes_Stop_the_Witchhunt_against_him&utm_term=MsXDbb%2Ben