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Title: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 01:48:37 pm
Kort n bietjie hulp en advies...

I am looking at getting my first bike for commuting and also doing weekend trips with friends.
I have been looking at the xr125l of late and read mostly good reviews on WD.

I am also considering a 2T and have looked at a Yamaha DT125.
Any advise would be appreciated!

Yamaha DT 125 - 2003-2009 2T
Brakes: Drum/Drum
Fuel Tank: 9.5l
Fuel efficiency: >

Honda XR 125 - 2010/2011 4T
Brakes: Drum/Disc
Fuel Tank: 12l
Fuel efficiency: 32-35 km/l

What I want to do/know:

1. Commute
2. Do some weekend trips 200-400km?
3. Will be my first bike so want to ride the hell out of it - DIY maintenance?
4. Is the fuel/oil mix in a 2T such a hassle?
5. Wear on 2 stroke engine much worse?
6. km/l for the 2 stroke.

Cheers!
  :ricky:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Lem on June 09, 2014, 01:53:12 pm
I had the XR125 for a short while & really enjoyed it. Many of them has been used & abused as everyday bikes as well as seriously long gravel travels here on the forum. two people who really rode far on theirs was Ettienne2T & Dusty Rusty.

Also consider the Yamaha XTZ125. They have 21 inch front wheels, but no luggage rack. (but just pooratech one yourself, or make another one fit.) They are seriously bulletproof mechanically. Frannarossi has one for his sons to ride, and they have been abusing that thing for years now. Two years ago it's speedo cable broke at something around 30 000kms. Still going strong!

Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Gerrard on June 09, 2014, 02:02:57 pm
i don't know the Yamaha's, except that they are Yamaha's. have an XR125 and really love the little bike. Tough, but you must look after it like any machine. have done day trips but only up to about 250km. real going nowhere slowly. Small bike so it makes you tired.

As a first bike for a year or so, nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: EtienneKLR on June 09, 2014, 02:08:28 pm
XR125, super tuff and reliable. Plenty AM mechanical spares available. My wife did over 10000k's long distance on hers. Changed the sprocket, am exhaust and airbox mod.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 02:09:26 pm
Like you guys said, no one can really fault the xr125 as it is what it is and still fun.
Any thoughts RE the Yamaha DT 125 (2T) ?

Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 09, 2014, 02:12:37 pm
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 02:18:13 pm
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?

No reason, just had these two bikes offered to me at good price.
And maybe just to teach myself the basics.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: EtienneKLR on June 09, 2014, 02:22:46 pm
Like you guys said, no one can really fault the xr125 as it is what it is and still fun.
Any thoughts RE the Yamaha DT 125 (2T) ?



DT is a great bike. I am not too sure about how happy it would be travelling a long distance at full tilt. For pure commuting both are fine.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Airguitar on June 09, 2014, 02:44:56 pm
2T is going to burn more fuel, needs 2t oil. It does perform a bit better.
4T is easier to use, ie. fuel and go.
I'd go with XR or XT 125, however, how big are you? If you weigh over 80kg, you're going to be revving the guts out of the 125.
In that case, look at a 230 or 250.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 02:57:50 pm
2T is going to burn more fuel, needs 2t oil. It does perform a bit better.
4T is easier to use, ie. fuel and go.
I'd go with XR or XT 125, however, how big are you? If you weigh over 80kg, you're going to be revving the guts out of the 125.
In that case, look at a 230 or 250.


Sounds like 2T is more rough and power but 4T better for longer trips, which I would like to do.
Weigh about 76kg. So 125 should suffice?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: subie on June 09, 2014, 05:39:54 pm
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Cracker on June 09, 2014, 05:51:09 pm
Backflips will be easier on the XR
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 06:58:17 pm
Backflips will be easier on the XR

  :laughing4:   :imaposer:

I think if I pick up a good deal I'll take the 125cc and ride it for a year or so to build skill and confidence?

Have bailed from a motorcycle twice in my life, both on the same trip in South Sudan. Hopefully the 125cc
will be forgiving and not get me into too big of a mess.... small mess is fine :ricky:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: KiLRoy on June 09, 2014, 07:00:41 pm
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.

Jean, subie is right.  The 125 does not have enough power to accelerate from cars in normal situation in traffic, which is downright dangerous because the cars get impatient and want to push you off the road.

Get 250 cc at least.

If you only want to commute - get a Yamaha SR 250 - a classic forever.  If you want to ride the odd gravel road and trail - get anything from a XT 230/250, XR 250, DR 250, KLR 250 Djebel, Raid, Baja. They will all work - promise you  

How old are you?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 09, 2014, 07:04:52 pm
Good point Kilroy, I am 29.

I do like the DR200/250 and especially the Djebel. Those bikes from the 90's are solid as a rock right, mostly
mechanical and Die Hard's!?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 10, 2014, 08:56:24 am
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.

Jean, subie is right.  The 125 does not have enough power to accelerate from cars in normal situation in traffic, which is downright dangerous because the cars get impatient and want to push you off the road.

Get 250 cc at least.

If you only want to commute - get a Yamaha SR 250 - a classic forever.  If you want to ride the odd gravel road and trail - get anything from a XT 230/250, XR 250, DR 250, KLR 250 Djebel, Raid, Baja. They will all work - promise you  

How old are you?

The XR125 works as a commuter BUT ONLY IF YOU DON'T DO ANY OPEN HIGHWAY STYLE COMMUTE!!!
Mrs. Le Cap does Cape Town Northern Suburbs to Mowbray all 60km/h roads and all usually more or less bumper to bumper with the XR.
Away from the traffic lights you will be ahead of all the snoozing folk in their cages unless you have a youngster in a GTI or daddy's G-string dicing you ::)

The bike rides fine. I am pleasantly surprised with the Honda's build quality (People warned me. I can't flaw it. It's a Honda after all, although build in China). Good brakes, suspension does its job (feel free to compare with some Chinese DS bikes).

The XR is fine for day trips. We did Cape Point and an overnighter CT - Hermanus - CT via back roads. It's probably fine for long trips too if you don't know anything else :D Just stay off the freeways.

The DR200 is a great bike too. Just needs to get returned from the Agri status to DS if you buy a  new one. Faster than the 125 (obviously, it makes almost twice as much power) but still: Stay off the freeway.
We had a Djebel 200 and did an eight day 2000km round trip on dirt (where ever possible) - great! Second bike on the trip was one of my DR650SE's. The DR200 is capable of keeping up with bigger bikes on dirt unless you go and ride with the Dakar heroes.


Both the 125 and the 200 are fine to keep as commuters & run around for town once you feel you need a bigger bike for touring.

The Djebel XC is a very nice bike but it's got some limitations:
You won't be able to keep up with the big bikes. It will make 120 though if it has to.
It's not available new and was never officially sold by Suzuki SA. Means they are a bit scarce and the agents might give you a bit of a run around should you need parts.
Slightly more complex to service than the XR125 and DR200.

I am surprised no one has asked yet the most important question: What is your budget?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 09:44:28 am
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?

No reason, just had these two bikes offered to me at good price.
And maybe just to teach myself the basics.

That 125 is going to make you tired, you will grow out of it real quick. Rather if your budged allow go for a DR200 which is already a real adventure bike or something bigger. The 125's are great but although topspeed will be 90 (up to 100) you will only be able to cruise at 70 otherwise you will labour the machine. The 125 will see a slight uphill before you do as well
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 10, 2014, 11:27:01 am
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 11:29:18 am
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)

Bargain!
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Gerrard on June 10, 2014, 11:30:52 am
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)

Good price. If you can be patient you can pick up a 200 Djebel for between R12K and R14k. I weigh over 90kg and could cruise at 110km/h with my daughter's one.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JMG on June 10, 2014, 11:51:24 am
I commute every day on my XR. Also the fact that I posted one for sale this morning on behalf of a colleague and it sold in 11 min, must mean they have what people want. As for longer trips.... At 70 km per h be careful where you ride, cars do not like you. Love mine to bits! 32km on a liter petrol.
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Post by: JeanDV on June 10, 2014, 11:51:47 am
If looking at 2nd hand DR's what are their main problems to lookout for? Oldest model to look at and max kms?
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Post by: JeanDV on June 10, 2014, 11:53:38 am
Know of someone who increased front sprocket with 1 tooth and cruises at 100km easy or slower and gets 45km/l
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Post by: Gerrard on June 10, 2014, 11:55:03 am
If looking at 2nd hand DR's what are their main problems to lookout for? Oldest model to look at and max kms?

They don't have problems, but now the price has gone to R18k - R22k.
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 12:17:31 pm
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)

Good price. If you can be patient you can pick up a 200 Djebel for between R12K and R14k. I weigh over 90kg and could cruise at 110km/h with my daughter's one.

Same here way better bike for adventure riding. I till miss that little 200, was such a nice trail bike!
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 12:18:55 pm
Only the swingarm. It has Got bushes and not bearings.....so you can just contact Le Cap and buy a set of bearings and DIY
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Post by: Gerrard on June 10, 2014, 12:20:04 pm
Know of someone who increased front sprocket with 1 tooth and cruises at 100km easy or slower and gets 45km/l

On the XR125 ? I would not want to do that. Will load the motor too much I think.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Gerrard on June 10, 2014, 12:23:56 pm
Jean, if I read what you say, you should try and get a CTX200. Its been proven they can go anywhere http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=137240.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=137240.0) and they don't go that expensive good secondhand, R15k - R20k.
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Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 12:24:48 pm
Know of someone who increased front sprocket with 1 tooth and cruises at 100km easy or slower and gets 45km/l

On the XR125 ? I would not want to do that. Will load the motor too much I think.

Agree, there is no way that one extra tooth in the front will give a cruising speed of 100 without labouring the engine, and then the clutch will have to be worked on pull away and steep incline....not a good idea.

If you n wait, get a 200. You will not regret
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Post by: JeanDV on June 10, 2014, 12:55:07 pm
Thanks for the advice guys, especially on the sprocket mod and various bikes. Will have a look around and see what I find. Feel free to let me know of any suitable bike you see for sale.
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Post by: TVB on June 10, 2014, 01:07:46 pm
Thanks for the advice guys, especially on the sprocket mod and various bikes. Will have a look around and see what I find. Feel free to let me know of any suitable bike you see for sale.

Go to t 'for sale' section and post a new topic

Say something in the topic like: 'Wanted - Djebel200/250 or DR200 or similar - budged: between 12 and 15k'

This is 0nly an example, make your own and make sure to mark the 'get notification' box
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 10, 2014, 08:03:48 pm
Jean, if I read what you say, you should try and get a CTX200. Its been proven they can go anywhere http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=137240.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=137240.0) and they don't go that expensive good secondhand, R15k - R20k.

Thanks Jupiter, quickly looked on Gtree and only found 1 in SA for sale...must be good!

TVB. Thanks for the hint, will look at doing that!
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Bells on June 11, 2014, 12:14:42 am
TW200, ja die een met die groot agter tire


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Title: Re: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 11, 2014, 07:13:16 am
TW200, ja die een met die groot agter tire


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A tw200 is no faster than a xr125
Title: Re: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: subie on June 11, 2014, 08:47:59 am
TW200, ja die een met die groot agter tire


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A tw200 is no faster than a xr125

Yes! Had 2 TW200's (for the wife :-) . Not a good buy for commuting. Lekker little bikes off road.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 11, 2014, 08:53:46 am
I think I will go with that 2011 xr125, only 1100km for R10k, that's not bad. If I get bored after 6months, or the petrol price drops :lol8: I might sell and get a DR200, those look the beesknees!

Those with xr125's only had good things to say! :ricky:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 11, 2014, 08:54:31 am
If looking at 2nd hand DR's what are their main problems to lookout for? Oldest model to look at and max kms?

DR 200 problems:

Rear swing arm pivot bush wear. Recognised by squeaky noise. Causes poor handling and instability (wobble). Replace bushes frequently with new OEM parts or once and for all with needle bearing conversion from xx xxx :mwink:

Dragging clutch: Bike will struggle to shift down without blipping throttle and try to creep when in gear and clutch is pulled. Caused by rusted steel plates in the clutch from standing for a long time. ONLY fix replace clutch plates - friction and steel.

Flimsy front brake: It dates back to the early DR200 and the 1980's. Whilst probably adequate back then I would rate it "underwhelming" by today's standards. Probably no real concern for a beginner and on dirt  it will in an emergency get help from the rear drum - which is surprisingly effective.
No fix available, besides using both brakes.
The rather lousy front brake features on the DR200 just like the CTX200 Bushlander and TW200 :-\

Besides the above (which IMHO is little) it's a nice solid little bike.

They came in three batches:
- 1985 - 1995 DR200 kick start

- 1996 - 1999 electric start cast iron sleeve engine. Various models for various markets. Djebel with large round headlight, carrier rack and round speedo; SE with small rectangular light and rectangular speedo

- 2000ff electric start SCEM sleeve engine. Both SE's and AGRI versions as discussed earlier. The AGRI has some desirable features such as the nice large headlight and some less desirable ones such as the cheap chrome plated steel rims and the garbage bin lid size mud flaps (which fortunately can be removed & discarded without much effort).

Pictures of the various DR200's and links to relevant threads there: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=132980.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=132980.0)


BTW I know of a DR200 kick in running condition. It needs some work (see above) but it is fairly decent overall. R7,500

Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 11, 2014, 09:00:48 am
Awesome link, thanks man! Will definitely be using that thread soon!

Will come back here or PM you when my time for a DR comes.
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 11, 2014, 07:03:07 pm
Hey ho! Got my xr125 and did a a good 60km with it.

Gets up to 80kmh quite quick and then to 100kmh without too much hassle. Beyond 100kmh it gets a bit windy.lol. Bike is really light in weight.

Another thing, stopped after trip and noticed an oil leak on the ground, put paper down to see how much.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/7yja4ahu.jpg)

Noticed there is a small black tube coming from bottom of carb to underside of bike, not connected to anything. This correct?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/qemutysy.jpg)

Oil leak from here.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/pa3ymusy.jpg)

Any foughts!!!?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 11, 2014, 09:26:12 pm
Airbox breather pipe/drain.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Airguitar on June 11, 2014, 09:46:05 pm
Airbox breather pipe/drain.

I concur.
It may be that the bike was overfilled with oil. Never do that.
Otherwise you may have worn piston rings, from riding the guts out of the bike.. Seems likely for a 125. It's what I warned about earlier.
Not a train smash but watch your oil level closely.

How many Km on the bike?
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Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 07:19:02 am
1200km on the bike. I believe it is due for service on 1000km. Oil level is low but still within the limits...
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 12, 2014, 07:27:05 am
1200km on the bike. I believe it is due for service on 1000km. Oil level is low but still within the limits...

According to my grade 2 maths, you are 200kms over your service distance.......remember that these small 4strokes only take a tiny amount of oil, so regular
changes is extremely important.
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 07:43:48 am
:D that's good maff man! Will book it in for service and hopefully be sorted after.
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Lem on June 12, 2014, 07:47:55 am
:D that's good maff man! Will book it in for service and hopefully be sorted after.

Don't waste your time with the agents

go to some real mechanics here on the forum :thumleft:

You're in Western Cape, right?

I'd go to Dux (Brackenfell), LeCap (Edgemead) or Superfoxi (Noordhoek area). They'll work magic on this little bike.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 12, 2014, 08:09:24 am
Thanks Lem!

I even have one of the elusive genuine Honda workshop manuals for the XR. According to Mekor it does not exist :lol8:

If you want one I'll give you the Honda part no or you can get it from Wemoto.com in the UK :D
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JMG on June 12, 2014, 08:15:03 am
Thanks lLm!

I even have one of the elusive genuine Honda workshop manuals for the XR. According to Mekor it does not exist :lol8:

If you want one I'll give you the Honda part no or you can get it from Wemoto.com in the UK :D

http://mybikemanuals.com/honda/honda-xr-owners-manuals/ (http://mybikemanuals.com/honda/honda-xr-owners-manuals/)
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 12, 2014, 08:46:57 am
JMG your link does not include material for the XR125L

In any case it only contains the OWNERS manual which is the little booklet explaining where the key goes into your bike, how you make the flickers flicker and how to stop them and which tells you that you must not pull the hand brake too hard as this might result in you loosing control ::)

I am talking about the WORKSHOP / SERVICE manual which explains how to convert a bike successfully into an explosion drawing and how to assemble it back to a working motorcycle - besides giving you detailed instructions on how to service the bike.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JMG on June 12, 2014, 08:55:57 am
I'll check now now I have a different site where I downloaded the ws manual for my Ktm, I downloaded the PDF onto my ipad.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JMG on June 12, 2014, 08:59:51 am
Here's one to download in PDF form

http://www.allgarters.com/honda-xr-125-workshop-manual/ (http://www.allgarters.com/honda-xr-125-workshop-manual/)
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 09:07:59 am
Thanks Lem, I'm in Durbanville.

Lecap let me know when you have time available so I can get the 1st service behind me and start riding.
Grew up near Edgemead so know the area quite well. As far as I know the 1st service isn't much ado but
would rather have an old hand show me the ropes.

Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Airguitar on June 12, 2014, 09:22:25 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e3112879f3589f479667f35cc556a4cd/tumblr_n06h9vn8Om1s391qwo1_400.gif)

This is so disturbing.. How much punishment can that poor bugger take??    :lol8:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 12, 2014, 12:00:36 pm
Congrats  on your bike and many safe miles!

Be careful though, they don't like being ridden prolonged periods of time at 100km/h. Cruising speed is around 80km/h
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Lem on June 12, 2014, 12:05:10 pm
Congrats  on your bike and many safe miles!

Be careful though, they don't like being ridden prolonged periods of time at 100km/h. Cruising speed is around 80km/h

yep! Luckily you are in Durbanville, where the quiet dusty back roads starts within 5kms from home. Give me a shout if you want to do a lekker dayride :thumleft:
Title: Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 12:07:06 pm
Will try and behave... will post my backflip as soon as it is perfected! 8)
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 03:44:07 pm
Congrats  on your bike and many safe miles!

Be careful though, they don't like being ridden prolonged periods of time at 100km/h. Cruising speed is around 80km/h

yep! Luckily you are in Durbanville, where the quiet dusty back roads starts within 5kms from home. Give me a shout if you want to do a lekker dayride :thumleft:

Thanks Guys, Lem... consider yourself shouted at! Let me know when you feel like going out. Weather forecast looks a bit shoddy towards the weekend. ATGATT quite important I hear hey!? Got boots sorted at least.

Lecap, let me know about the service for the xr125L. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 03:45:35 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Dusty Rusty on June 12, 2014, 07:07:04 pm
Congrats! Congrats! Congrats!

Another word for the XR 125 is a Little Mighty by the way.  ;)

I can't see the oil leak properly on my phone, but there is one oil ring\ seal that you MUST replace during every service. It cost R 25\35 at dealerships.

Service = 3000 km
Valve clearance = 9000 km

The Little Mighty have only 800 ml of oil in it's engine, there for: do not ride too long distances for to long, the warmer the oil get, the "thinner" it's also getting in your engine.  As a rule I alway's gave the bike a "rest" after 80 km"s while traveling. 

In Winter the choke must be just above the middle to help it warm up. (Some 125's are real sleepy heads)

Where do you commute?

Of all the bikes that I had owned I cried the most the day that I sold my 1st XR, Lexi.  That bike opend a whole world of magic to me.

Go and check out the Honda XR 125 Technical Thread. You will find al lot of info there.

Enjoy you XR and be safe!
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Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 07:20:32 pm
Thanks DRusty!

Noticed the choke position you are talking about. Bike on 1170 km, bought it on 1100km so will service asap. It should take care of the oil problem.

Stay near Langeberg road and work all over. Will have a look at those threads. How are you enjoying your tornado...??
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: McBiker on June 12, 2014, 07:24:02 pm
Are you guys referring to the Bros and its likes ?
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: JeanDV on June 12, 2014, 08:41:21 pm
The Bros is the predecessor of the xr125L.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Lem on June 13, 2014, 07:33:51 am
The Bros is the predecessor of the xr125L.

jip, selle slaai, ander sous. Bros het square voorliggie en drum brake voor, en geen luggage rack. Andersins identies.  :thumleft:
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Post by: Dusty Rusty on June 13, 2014, 07:57:02 am
Thanks DRusty!

Noticed the choke position you are talking about. Bike on 1170 km, bought it on 1100km so will service asap. It should take care of the oil problem.

Stay near Langeberg road and work all over. Will have a look at those threads. How are you enjoying your tornado...??
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I'm sooo in love with the Tornado!  It's an awesome commuter.  Since I upgraded from the 125 to the 250 as commuter I feel a lot safer.  I know I'm on a machine with enough power to get me out of tight situations when needed.  My confidence have grown and I even lanesplit like a real biker! The bike is fantastic around corners  too!

Consider taking your bike to Honda Tygerberg for it's service.  They are not THAT more expensive than private guys plus you get your bike back the same day.  (trust me, some peeps who attends to bikes will keep you waiting .... and waiting .... and waiting and then make their bad client service your problem :bueller: )

They also have a free "taxi" service to take you to work and back to the workshop to get your bike back.  So make you booking, enjoy their coffee and get that 1st service done!

(top up your mineral oil in the mean time so long!)  
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: Dusty Rusty on June 13, 2014, 07:58:18 am
The Bros is the predecessor of the xr125L.

jip, selle slaai, ander sous. Bros het square voorliggie en drum brake voor, en geen luggage rack. Andersins identies.  :thumleft:

Bros Brizillain
XR errmmmmm .... made in China   :ricky:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 13, 2014, 08:16:57 am
You get your bike the same day from me if it's in for a service and if you bring it in the morning - and I'm one of those "private guys".
I don't have a taxi service though since I work on my own - which in turn makes sure that all work is done by some one with the necessary qualifications, skill and experience.
I also don't have a coffee machine and I charge you full mechanics rates for washing your bike should you dare to bring it to me too filthy to work on. You also brush your teeth before you see your dentist, ne ???

In some cases a service might take more than one day. I am no prophet and if something is broken which I can't get parts for straight away or which is just too labour intensive to get sorted in a day. I believe some customers struggle to understand that. It's usually the same customers who ask why their service is R 4,000 if the 50,000km bike has never seen any meaningful service before or when it included a new tire, new brake pads and new chain and sprockets ::)

I can't find any flaw with regards to the build quality of Mrs Le Cap's Chinese made XR125L. The quality is better by orders of magnitude in comparison with the Chinese junks.
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Post by: JeanDV on June 13, 2014, 08:46:11 am
Dankie Lecap.
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: TVB on June 13, 2014, 11:50:30 am
I have revered some people to Le Cap without ever meeting him, because he always gives the best advise on the forum and all bikers feedback that took their bikes to him previously convinced me. If I was living in the WC I would ha taken all my work to him, for there is no bs stories. I don't trust the official dealers any more, learned the hard way. In Pretoria my bike will only see one workshop; off road cycles, Runner (Conrad)
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: McBiker on June 13, 2014, 02:24:10 pm
OK. Very IMPORTANT. Every second oil change CLEAN THE OIL FILTER !!!
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2014, 10:45:23 am
OK. Very IMPORTANT. Every second oil change CLEAN THE OIL FILTER screen!!!

Since it does not cost more than maybe two minutes of labour do it with every oil change. It won't hurt!

And it's only a mesh screen not a real filter.

The engine has an oil filter though which is a centrifugal filter sitting on one end of the crank shaft. It collects the gunk which is too small to be held back by the screen and is scheduled to get disassembled at much longer intervals.
The XL250 / XL500 engines used the same system with a non serviceable centrifugal filter integrated into the right crank web.
The centrifugal filter works surprisingly well since it works based on the specific mass of a particle in the oil not on its size. A widely used filtration principle in food processing, industrial and marine applications :D
You even use it to separate uranium isotopes if you want to build a nuclear bomb so don't give me the 1960's low tech story :lol8:
Title: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
Post by: McBiker on June 14, 2014, 07:24:17 pm
Sharp !  I took my sons bike into Honda PE a couple of years ago to do the clutch. When I dropped it off I asked the mechanic to clean the filter mechanism, while he was inside there. He looked at me as if I was dumb. I clearly told him it seems as if he does not know his own products and explained what to do. Idjits.
I don't know what they did, because I had to have the clutch done again a few weeks later in Centurion, where the job was properly done.

Had I had the time then, I would have done I myself but was just too tied up.