Wild Dog Adventure Riding

Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Suzuki DR & DRZ => Topic started by: Milaatz on July 04, 2014, 10:24:10 am

Title: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 04, 2014, 10:24:10 am
Hi guys, im a fairly new dr rider but loving every sec of it. ive put on about 4000 km in just over 1,5 months lol.
i wanted to know what u guys think of the trail tech vapor bike computer.
-How much they shoulf go for??
-How accurate the heat sensor are??
-how responsive the rpm meter are??
-Where i could get a hold of one ??
shot guys  ;D
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 04, 2014, 10:27:03 am
O ja , im riding a dr 650 '08 model
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: evansv on July 04, 2014, 10:28:30 am
I don't know about DR's, but I've just bought one for my 625, as it doesn't come standard with a temperature gauge, or even a warning light! I think that's crazy on a water cooled bike!

I haven't got mine yet, but will let you know what I think after it's fitted.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: LouisXander on July 04, 2014, 10:30:28 am
Stay away from them. We all are looking at alternatives to the trailtech range. They do not last.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: evansv on July 04, 2014, 10:31:19 am
Suggestions?

Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: LouisXander on July 04, 2014, 10:34:55 am
Like I said Evans. The problem is there aint any available in SA. You can import but it is costly lately.

Look at a seperate heat gauge installed the same way. But they just do not last. And they are quite costly.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 10:35:39 am
Acewell make decent speedos, not locally available though! Ebay etc...
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: LouisXander on July 04, 2014, 10:36:39 am
Thats the name I was looking for! Try Acewell
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 10:42:10 am
I installed a automotive type oil temp gage on my DR so far lasting ok.... Installed sender unit  in place of oil pressure service plug/bolt whatever.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: LouisXander on July 04, 2014, 10:44:57 am
Was exactly what I meant Evans. Look at that rather.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 04, 2014, 10:46:39 am
shot guys , you have given me alot to think about :thumleft:
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 10:55:46 am
I cannot remember what make of sender unit i used but thread exactly same as casing and sender is small and compact will not be in the way of a bashplate.
Rest of wiring easy , just make a bracket that goes on the handlebar bolts and awaY ya go!

The sparkplug mounted sensor (Thermistor ) is a waste of time you want to get temperature in the guts of engine where it matters more! head warms up quick and then you think bike is up to riding temperature while in fact transmission etc is still ice cold!

You do get a sender unit for the trailtech that replaces your oil drain plug but its seperate purchase and pricey! i guess that using an automotive sender unit like installed the way i did will also work with trailtech!
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 04, 2014, 10:59:19 am
I have had vapor on a couple of my bikes ( XR650R & XR 400) and although i didn't connect the temp sensor on the 400, it worked well enough on the watercooled 650R. I quite like the Vapors, and am currently looking for one for the DR aswell. They are available , from between 1500 & 2000, just google them you will find. I found the rpm sensor very accurate on both. It is basically a wire that you wrap around the spark-plug wire, and it picks up whenever there is a spark, so dont think it can go wrong and is instant in response.

I very much doubt that you will ever have to measure the temp in a DR, I have yet to hear of anyone that has failed because of high temp issues. The SACS system used is very efficient. That said, I am working on a MOD on my DR where oil temp measurement is fairly important, and as such will be installing an oil temp meter ( 2 in fact) one from the Vapor and another an aftermarket one for cars that I picked up for R150.

I installed a automotive type oil temp gage on my DR so far lasting ok.... Installed sender unit  in place of oil pressure service plug/bolt whatever.

Woestynhond, where is the "oil pressure service plug/bolt whatever" located on the engine? sounds like a good place I can use as well. I have seen some people use aftermarket sensors where the oil cap is ( that are too short to reach the oil, btw).
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 11:19:42 am
Located on bottom of engine just in front of oil drain plug appx 10 cm, thats on the newer 650SE not sure of older dr. Primarily used on services to check the pressure  - condition of oil pump but being gear driven it is unlikely to break!

I think it was a Ford or Merc sender unit i used, thread section on sender very short  so i didint use a ally washer just little silicone and not over tightened!

Similar to this little sucker except it has a spade connector that i bent 90 degrees to make it more compact.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 11:23:12 am
I only use the guage to make sure engine is at race temperature before i start riding like a raped ape!

How are your mods coming along? Done the forks yet?
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: CliveG on July 04, 2014, 11:28:05 am

I got one of these. Koso have a large range.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Koso-DB-01R-Multi-Function-Electronic-Speedometer-/231237531742?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35d6d4b85e&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Koso-DB-01R-Multi-Function-Electronic-Speedometer-/231237531742?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35d6d4b85e&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 04, 2014, 11:42:06 am
I only use the guage to make sure engine is at race temperature before i start riding like a raped ape!

How are your mods coming along? Done the forks yet?

nah, abandoned the forkin fork idea for now, turned out mine could be straightened. Will take too much work (and R's) to get the KTM triple clamp/steering stem to fit.

Busy with FCR carb and an interesting oil cooler relocation mod, will post about the oil cooler when finished. I would need to measure the oil temp before and after the oil cooler, before and after the mod to make sure it is still effective, and not maybe too effective  ;D . This has, as far as I could find, not been attempted before so I am treading on unknown territory. Running into some obstacles but will ( hopefully) find ways to overcome them.

Wow Clive, that Koso looks great!! At first glance a little pricey, but then again, to get the Vapor to look like that you have to ( separately) purchase the dash with lights, etc which is almost as expensive as the Vapor itself. When I check compatibilty I get:  This part is not compatible with 2008 Suzuki DR650SE --. Will investigate a bit into this
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: 2wdrift on July 04, 2014, 11:45:33 am
Runner told me late last year that he did have vapor's in stock. Maybe just PM him and confirm.

I have not had any issues with the ones I run on my KLR and XR650R
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: ThomasT on July 04, 2014, 11:51:40 am
I have two Trailtech Vapours one on my CRF and one on my Quad.

When you order it tell them what bike and it comes with all the fittings you need.

I had issues with one and contacted them directly in the states and with in a week I had a replacement part .

 
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Woestynhond on July 04, 2014, 12:38:59 pm
Koso has no temp function.... but fuel level???
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: evansv on July 04, 2014, 12:47:25 pm
Too late, the Vapour's paid for.

It's going to our office in the UK & then it'll be hand carried by one of my colleges via Pakistan to Kenya to me. It'll then go in my suitcase & then home.

Talk about the long way down & around!!

Cost : - just over $100
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 04, 2014, 02:13:31 pm
2wdrift , could you please tell me how i could get a hold of runner , shot
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: CliveG on July 04, 2014, 03:03:14 pm

go look at the range Koso make ... http://www.kosonorthamerica.com/koso/motorcycle/ (http://www.kosonorthamerica.com/koso/motorcycle/)


Woestynhond .. don`t know why they say not for DR .. The one I posted from ebay can get wired to anything.
Just have a look at their range, you find ones with Temperature function, some of their gauges even have a warning if your mother inlaw is visiting your home, so you know to keep on riding.

I got their small separate temperature and volt gauges, prefer that, as the numbers are bigger.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 05, 2014, 07:49:56 am
Hi CliveG, did you buy one of these KOSO gauges? If yes from where? Did you import or buy locally?  I really like their look, will also be looking at their air/fuel ratio meter: http://www.kosonorthamerica.com/koso/shop/air-fuelratio-motorcycle_gauges/narrow-band-af-ratio-mini-meter-4/ (http://www.kosonorthamerica.com/koso/shop/air-fuelratio-motorcycle_gauges/narrow-band-af-ratio-mini-meter-4/)

I did contact the head office in Taiwan but have not received a reply yet.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: CliveG on July 05, 2014, 11:25:12 am
 Yes, I have bought a whole lot, speedo`s, Rev/counter`s, temperature and volt meters. The first order I did with Koso America, but the next time, I ordered, they told me they could not sell to me and I had to use Koso Europe.
 I then bought on Ebay, much easier. Mostly I never buy local.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Torque Curve on July 07, 2014, 12:16:51 pm
Acewell make decent speedos, not locally available though! Ebay etc...

SpeedyQuip in PE stocks the Acewell computers 0414841506. I noticed that the Acewell unit uses thicker connecting wires.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: SuperDavexlv750r on July 08, 2014, 12:36:10 pm
Saw the koso on weekend on Africa Twin. Water temp, oil temp, rpm and know as well as some other things. Very nice looking unit that was fitted. Want to fit onto my Africa Twin when I fit rally's fairing and 43l touratech tank.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: 2wdrift on July 08, 2014, 08:24:56 pm
2wdrift , could you please tell me how i could get a hold of runner , shot

Sorry I was offline a bit, Runner has offroad cycles in koedoespoort pretoria. He advertises on the forum. You can also PM him.

http://www.offroadcycles.co.za/wmenu.php (http://www.offroadcycles.co.za/wmenu.php)

Cheers
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 09, 2014, 08:12:08 pm
Saw the koso on weekend on Africa Twin. Water temp, oil temp, rpm and know as well as some other things. Very nice looking unit that was fitted. Want to fit onto my Africa Twin when I fit rally's fairing and 43l touratech tank.

Please let me know when you are ready to order, then we can share the shipping costs.

They look good on the pics, but I haven't seen one in real life yet. From your post I assume it looks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 29, 2014, 12:44:14 pm
shot for all the comments guy , decided to go with the vapor , will keep u up to date on how its preforming ect, at firsthad a prob with the temperature gadge that stoped working in a day , but then read up that i needed to reset the unit by keeping in the mode and left button in for about 10 sec , now working perfect , its really accurate to gps speed , lights up nicely , epic rpm counter , really like the shift up indicators , not really needed though but fun to play around with , question .............. does eny of you guys now what temperatures the engin may reach of my dr for it to be working perfect and for it to be on the high side and the danger side , shot , will post pics soon
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: djhep on July 29, 2014, 02:45:49 pm
Hi guys.......
I fitted one to my Dr 650 (see pics if they work).....very happy with it and installation was very simple.
As far as the engine temperature feature goes, i don't know how accurate it is, but you soon get to know what normal operating temperature is. I suppose if there is any substantial change from the norm, then you would at least have a warning of potential problems.

Cheers.

Dave.

ps. Pielas, i fitted the 30 litre Safari tank that i bought from you some time ago.....was very useful on a recent trip in Tosca area.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: evansv on July 29, 2014, 02:54:38 pm
Dave.

That's a good looking bike :thumleft:
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 29, 2014, 03:45:07 pm
nice little setup u got there , i thought of takking the stock speedo off and mounting it in its place but then i wondered about the odameter ,my goal is to get it to well over 100000 km , lol , how did you fitt it hey, its looking good :thumleft:
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: djhep on July 29, 2014, 05:50:12 pm
Hey,thanks for the compliments guys..... :)
My other bikes are used alot less now that i have the DR. I'm really impressed with it as an allrounder.

Milaatz.
The Vapor unit comes with a bracket which bolts directly onto the existing speedo bracket.
Very easy to fit it and it looks almost stock.
If you buy one, just be sure that you ask for a unit that will fit your bike as i think there are various configurations for different bikes.

Cheers.

Dave.

Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 29, 2014, 09:55:08 pm
Hi Dave, looks  :thumleft:

Did you turn the throttle assembly upside down, or just route the cables differently? Cant really see on the pic. Cockpit looks nice & tidy.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: djhep on July 30, 2014, 02:59:41 am
Hi pielas....
I fitted a new carb, and the supplied cables were a bit longer, so had to rerout them to
get a nice smooth operation.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: pielas on July 30, 2014, 09:29:29 am
Only see your comment about the Safari tank now. Wow, if I knew it was gonna look that good I would have kept it  ;)

Glad you got it working. What carb did you put in? I have an FCR 39 that I will probably be fitting in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: djhep on July 30, 2014, 04:01:40 pm
Hi Pielas.....
Yes, when i bought the tank from you, i planned to fit it for longer trips only, but it looks alot better than i thought so will just leave it on. You also get used to not having to worry about fuel stops quite so much (It actually holds 33 litres, and i'm getting around 600k's on a full tank).
The Tosca/Bray area that i visited recently was a bit more sandy than i had anticipated, and with an almost full tank, the bike was a bit of a handful in the longer deeper sections.
A good lesson was learned though, and keeping the tank under half full it carries the fuel very low down and the bike handles alot better in that environment.

The carb i fitted is a procycle TM40. It makes quite a big difference, and delivers power much more smoothly than the original carb.
Can now bimble around at 80km/h in top gear if feeling like it without the surging.
It's also a bit more economical, and i'm getting 18.5k/litre sitting at 100-120kmh on the open road with a bit of sand roads thrown in.
Previously i was running about 17k/litre.

All in all I'm really happy to be back to basics motorcycling with the DR :)

Cheers.

Dave.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: djhep on July 30, 2014, 04:03:18 pm
Oops, sorry for going off topic Milaatz.

Dave.
Title: Re: Trail Tech vapor thoughts
Post by: Milaatz on July 30, 2014, 04:53:51 pm
no worries , also looking for a long rang tank so interisted in what u have to say about it :thumleft: