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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 08:44:35 pm

Title: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 08:44:35 pm
I started a thread on Friday to test the waters to see if it would be worth while to start making custom panniers etc, it was a question to get a feel if there would be a market for good locally manufactured stuff to which the answer seemed to be no and to which I accepted what the dog's said. Obviously I stepped on some toes of "local" suppliers or something as the thread has been removed and I recieved the following from one of the mod's

 Hi,

It seems is if you are advertising pannier for your business on the forum.

Unfortunately you need to become a forum vendor in order to do so.
Please consider the options below:

Now really I was advertising panniers? I wasent asking the dog's if it's a worthwhile avenue to follow?  I'm actually quite shocked,, either I cant differentiate between a question and a sales pitch or someone can't read,, no where did I advertise them, I asked a question hell as i said I want to get a feel if it's worth while going through the development costs,, must say I'm pretty disappointed, I really though this forum was different and not here just to answer the questions and stroke the ego's of a few "old boy's"
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: HB 9 on August 11, 2014, 08:48:00 pm
That was how I read and understood your "feeler" post... to get the opinions of the dawgs..

Do not be discouraged  :deal:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: TheBear on August 11, 2014, 08:53:17 pm
Sorry to hear.  I was following the discussion with interest.
Title: Re:
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 11, 2014, 08:56:16 pm
lol

Gotta love capitalism...
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 08:56:26 pm
Hell HB,, I even stated it was to get a feeler,,
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 08:58:19 pm
And here I was thinking I was going to pay off my bond in 3 weeks for free
Title: Re:
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 11, 2014, 08:59:21 pm
They are affraid you take some orders and then they dont get a cut.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Kuifie on August 11, 2014, 09:03:18 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: BLK on August 11, 2014, 09:07:32 pm
StuartC:I have to say I did not get the impression you were trying to sell anything but rather get opinion on whether there was a potential market for such.That was my interpretation anyway.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:08:18 pm
Guys you might not be aware of it, but the forum is overrun with business sneaking in without wanting to pay the very nominal vendors fees. It is simply unfair toward paying vendors and we have a constant cat & mouse situation

It is standard practice to invite people to become vendors to sell their products and services on the forum

It is those fees that keep this great forum riunning

If the mod made an honest mistake in this case, send a message and inform him. No need to be explicitly pissed off. Too early in the year for that  ;)

Shrug it off and continue with life. The problem has been sorted, hasn't it?

Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Gérrard on August 11, 2014, 09:08:47 pm
So how far did we get. You figured yet if its viable to make custom panniers and racks.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: TheBear on August 11, 2014, 09:13:50 pm
So how far did we get. You figured yet if its viable to make custom panniers and racks.

Could be, but the first set will have to carry a R1k premium to pay the WD forum vendor registration.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:18:20 pm
So how far did we get. You figured yet if its viable to make custom panniers and racks.

Could be, but the first set will have to carry a R1k premium to pay the WD forum vendor registration.   :imaposer:

That reallly is peanuts compared to the captive market  ;)
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: TornadoF5 on August 11, 2014, 09:19:34 pm
Ag don't worry about paying vendor fees, seems if you are NOT a bike vendor you can pretty much advertise anything without paying.... Just advertise them as flower boxes for a guest house and you'll be ok  :thumleft:  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:21:56 pm
Ag don't worry about paying vendor fees, seems if you are NOT a bike vendor you can pretty much advertise anything without paying.... Just advertise them as flower boxes for a guest house and you'll be ok  :thumleft:  :peepwall:

We have many non bike vendors on the forum, including some guest houses and backpackers.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: bud500 on August 11, 2014, 09:23:26 pm
I must agree. Checking interest on a product that does not exist yet and might never exist surely isn't advertising.

Will the said panniers have fireplaces in them?
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 09:26:14 pm
LOL,, Hey Bud,, how you doing?
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 09:28:06 pm
I'm just seriously hacked off, there was quite a bit of info on that thread as to what people could possibly be looking for, but the problem comes when dealers dont get a slice they get hacked off
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:31:25 pm
I'm just seriously hacked off, there was quite a bit of info on that thread as to what people could possibly be looking for, but the problem comes when dealers dont get a slice they get hacked off

Ask the mod to pm you the info. The thread is likely just hidden.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: ahlbebuck on August 11, 2014, 09:33:12 pm
Had there been some savvy vendors on that thread, you may have had quite a few deals by now, but instead it was more important to get rid of you.... go figure!
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:35:15 pm
Had there been some savvy vendors on that thread, you may have had quite a few deals by now, but instead it was more important to get rid of you.... go figure!

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Are you for real?
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Barry H on August 11, 2014, 09:36:26 pm
StuartC I'm sure some of the vendors complained because they feel threatened by your post as they know they are overcharges us. Crash bars @ R1800 where material & labour will cost under R300; as per a friend of mine who made his own. Think also because you said you're sure you can make many products for cheaper the vendors/shop owners complained & that's why your post was deleted. Pay the fenders fee & start manufacturing you will get orders!!
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Kuifie on August 11, 2014, 09:38:28 pm
 :deal:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 09:38:41 pm
I'm just seriously hacked off, there was quite a bit of info on that thread as to what people could possibly be looking for, but the problem comes when dealers dont get a slice they get hacked off

Ask the mod to pm you the info. The thread is likely just hidden.
Hell no, the stroke of a key chased away possible advertising revenue, will just ask the same question on Meerkat on FB.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 09:41:39 pm
Barry, the problem that I picked up is that if someone has a different bike that they can't get stuff for they get reamed through the O for anything custom, that's if they can get someone to bother to make it.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: ahlbebuck on August 11, 2014, 09:42:33 pm
Had there been some savvy vendors on that thread, you may have had quite a few deals by now, but instead it was more important to get rid of you.... go figure!

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Are you for real?

See the post after yours. I don't seem to be the only unreal one...
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Heimer on August 11, 2014, 09:48:32 pm
Had there been some savvy vendors on that thread, you may have had quite a few deals by now, but instead it was more important to get rid of you.... go figure!

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Are you for real?

See the post after yours. I don't seem to be the only unreal one...

No vendor complained
Title: Re: Re: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: frans1 on August 11, 2014, 09:48:48 pm
StuartC:I have to say I did not get the impression you were trying to sell anything but rather get opinion on whether there was a potential market for such.That was my interpretation anyway.
+1
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 11, 2014, 10:32:32 pm
Stuart, the moment you asked how many on the forum would be interested in your manufactured panniers, you started a possible business venture.

What if many were very interested? Surely then you would have started taking orders?

You cannot just spray-paint your own ad onto a huge roadside advertising billboard. :imaposer:

Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 10:43:47 pm
Stuart, the moment you asked how many on the forum would be interested in your manufactured panniers, you started a possible business venture.

What if many were very interested? Surely then you would have started taking orders?

You cannot just spray-paint your own ad onto a huge roadside advertising billboard. :imaposer:


Seriously?? I have not designed one, not made one just asked a question if the dog's think it would be viable,  what if you saw a hot chick walk past and thought WOW,, I could do that,, can they charge you for contemplating rape or can your wife divorce you for a possible affair? Seriously bud,,, are you suggesting that I pay a grand or three to ask a fucking question??  I don't know, maybe I got off the space ship on the wrong planet !
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Straatkat on August 11, 2014, 10:48:05 pm
Stuart, it is a fine line. What you were doing was market research (for a possible business venture)
So it was a bit of a grey area, learn from it and move on.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: MDT on August 11, 2014, 10:51:50 pm
Stuart, the moment you asked how many on the forum would be interested in your manufactured panniers, you started a possible business venture.

What if many were very interested? Surely then you would have started taking orders?

You cannot just spray-paint your own ad onto a huge roadside advertising billboard. :imaposer:


Seriously?? I have not designed one, not made one just asked a question if the dog's think it would be viable,  what if you saw a hot chick walk past and thought WOW,, I could do that,, can they charge you for contemplating rape or can your wife divorce you for a possible affair? Seriously bud,,, are you suggesting that I pay a grand or three to ask a fucking question??  I don't know, maybe I got off the space ship on the wrong planet !

Two good opinions. Who the correct one is , i would say is Dan due to the fact that the people in charge has decided you did this unfairly. Doesn't matter what you say whats done is done.

As far as i know its frowned upon to openly question a mods decision and should be done via PM
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 11, 2014, 11:05:20 pm
Stuart, it is a fine line. What you were doing was market research (for a possible business venture)
So it was a bit of a grey area, learn from it and move on?  learn and move on? I have been in business for 20+ years I'm pretty sure I have the concept of a business venture down and am pretty ofe with how advertising and right's to use a forum correctly work, there was no grey area here, I asked a question did not try to solicite orders all I asked for was views, just one question, did you read the thread? because those who did certainly don't think I was advertising!
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 11, 2014, 11:08:03 pm
I'm just seriously hacked off, there was quite a bit of info on that thread as to what people could possibly be looking for, but the problem comes when dealers dont get a slice they get hacked off

Ask the mod to pm you the info. The thread is likely just hidden.
Hell no, the stroke of a key chased away possible advertising revenue, will just ask the same question on Meerkat on FB.

800 meerkatte vs 15000 wilddogs?

I know which platform I would choose.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Sommer Ek on August 11, 2014, 11:11:51 pm
Stuart,

Ek kan jou verseker dat ten minset 50% van die lede wel belang stel, maar hulle stel slegs belang indien die volgende baie goed vergelyk met dit wat tans op die mark beskikbaar is.
-- Prys: Indien dit nie goedkoper is nie, het jy aanvanklik nie 'n mark nie.
-- Kwaliteit: Dit moet ten minste op dieselfde standaard wees.
-- Prakties: Indien dit prakties meer bied kan dit help.
-- Stylvol: 'n Man sit nie iets op sy fiets wat nie pas nie.
-- Volhoubaarheid: Indien iets oor drie jaar sou breek wil ek dit kan vervang sonder om 'n ander stel te koop.
-- Waarborg; Dit spreek van self.
-- Goeie diens. Ek koop vandag my fiets en wil dit môre as deel van die pakket koop, of ek gaan hierdie naweek toer, of ek is besig met 'n toer en iets breek. Dan wil niemand 'n week of maand wag nie.

Daar is min persone wat iets in die motorfiets bedryf koop sonder om dit te sien en sonder dat iemand dit promofeer.

Indien jy die behoefte het om in die mark te kom, maak vir jou self 'n stel, dan vir goeie kenisse en doen dan bemarking. Indien jy nie geld daaruit wil maak nie, vat jou fiets, ry see toe en gaan eet roomys. Dit kos omtrent dieselfde maar jy het baie minder "pyne" en baie meer plesier.

Moenie dat iets jou stop as jy 'n plan het nie, ALLE verskaffers het begin by EEN.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: SchalkL on August 11, 2014, 11:29:35 pm
Stuart, niks persoonlik nie maar kom oor dit of jy word nog geban ook. Ek het hierdie fight al meer as een keer probeer met die mods, jy sal nie wen nie!!
Die WD se leuse behoort te wees FIFO

Dit gese, ek geniet my vriendekring in die WD's terdee en is maar bereid om te buig sodat ek deel kan wees van 'n moerse nice klomp mense.
Wanneer dit saak maak sal baie van die manne agteroor buig (nie vooroor nie ) om jou te help.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Laban on August 12, 2014, 06:08:38 am
Guys you might not be aware of it, but the forum is overrun with business sneaking in without wanting to pay the very nominal vendors fees. It is simply unfair toward paying vendors and we have a constant cat & mouse situation

It is standard practice to invite people to become vendors to sell their products and services on the forum

It is those fees that keep this great forum riunning

If the mod made an honest mistake in this case, send a message and inform him. No need to be explicitly pissed off. Too early in the year for that  ;)

Shrug it off and continue with life. The problem has been sorted, hasn't it?



.....Jy't 'n maand of twee gemis.........hierdie jaar is moertoe......... 8)
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 12, 2014, 06:30:00 am
And the weird thing is that the info StuartC was getting back on his question is just as helpful for all the vendors. So he basically did market research for every vendor on here that sells panniers. Seriously a knee jerk reaction.



 
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: dirtyXT on August 12, 2014, 07:12:47 am
 :bueller:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: KiLRoy on August 12, 2014, 07:45:08 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 12, 2014, 07:46:00 am
I am no moderator or administrator but have to side with them in this case.

The paid vendors are allowed the small privilege of advertising selling and even researching their products on the forum for a nominal fee. That fee ensures that we all have access to a great forum for free! If everyone is now allowed to get similar benefits without registering or paying, the paid vendors may withdraw their support and we all loose out. It's really that simple. In my opinion the rules are clear and not open to interpretation.

But as I said, I am neither a moderator or administrator so it's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 12, 2014, 07:48:48 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.

 :eek7: :eek7:.......and where is your apology to me for banning me from the R+P section?? Huh? Huh? :peepwall:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: mox on August 12, 2014, 08:04:54 am
Dear forum,

I am thinking of studying whether herrings communicate by passing gas, do you think this could be profitable?
(if it is I promise to pay the forum its royalties)

 :pot:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Mr Zog on August 12, 2014, 08:29:35 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.

 :eek7: :eek7:.......and where is your apology to me for banning me from the R+P section?? Huh? Huh? :peepwall:


That was not heavy handed, and it wasn't a mistake...  :deal:  :ricky:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Mikie on August 12, 2014, 08:35:39 am
Does this mean I am not getting my panniers anymore??  :pot:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2014, 08:50:19 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: OomD on August 12, 2014, 09:01:08 am
I am no moderator or administrator but have to side with them in this case.

The paid vendors are allowed the small privilege of advertising selling and even researching their products on the forum for a nominal fee. That fee ensures that we all have access to a great forum for free! If everyone is now allowed to get similar benefits without registering or paying, the paid vendors may withdraw their support and we all loose out. It's really that simple. In my opinion the rules are clear and not open to interpretation.

But as I said, I am neither a moderator or administrator so it's just my opinion.
I'd agree with you, IF Stuart had actually advertised a product like other vendors pay to do. In this case he did not, he asked forum members for their opinion.
Title: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 12, 2014, 09:04:12 am
By doing the research the manufacturing of one off products was implicitly advertised.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 12, 2014, 09:04:34 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Cracker on August 12, 2014, 09:17:14 am
StuartC I'm sure some of the vendors complained because they feel threatened by your post as they know they are overcharges us. Crash bars @ R1800 where material & labour will cost under R300; as per a friend of mine who made his own. Think also because you said you're sure you can make many products for cheaper the vendors/shop owners complained & that's why your post was deleted. Pay the fenders fee & start manufacturing you will get orders!!

No way material and labour will cost under R300 - unless on an industrial scale.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: OomD on August 12, 2014, 09:23:02 am
By doing the research the manufacturing of one off products was implicitly advertised.
Nope.
The research could have led (as I believe it did) to a decision not to continue with the venture. No products available thus, no products for sale.

I understand your viewpoint, I just don't agree with it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: nemodakar on August 12, 2014, 09:39:10 am
I agree, its was a bit heavy handed. Think all our mods are bit fed up with continual chancers who are to stingy to pay R80 odd per month (R1000 pa) to advertise and help us grow the forum. They will rather keep pushing the boundaries on the forum and our facebook page, making the mods job intolerable.

In this case we were wrong. Its my fault, Staurt and others I apologize and will move the thread back. Feel free to test the market for a D/S product. Hopefully it will lead to you becoming a longterm vendor. This forum owes a lot to long standing vendors who continuously support us.  We thank you all :thumleft:

Again, my fault and I apologize.

It takes a man to do this.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Sylvester on August 12, 2014, 09:44:14 am
This has been debated in many related posts, but will repeat it for the record: :laughing4:

Off course everybody can make anything in his garage for a tenth of the price in the shop.  Now go and do it for a living and the picture changes dramatically.  You now have to add advertising costs, employ you mother in law to do your admin and accounts, add the retail profit for Hentie that stocks that component on a shelf in his shop, add VAT, hire a bigger workshop cause you will not pay off your bond by making just four a month, etc. and suddenly your component now costs the same as the one in the shop. :o


 
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 12, 2014, 10:11:15 am
Kilroy, apology accepted bud, just to clarify it was just a fishing expedition, if I do go forward I will sure as hell pay the money to the forum, there was seriously no devious angle from my part and understand that the mod's have to deal with people trying to pull a fast one, as I said on the very first thread of the fishing expedition thread all proceeds would have been sneaked past the "Government" to go towards getting a 1200 GS as my Government(wife) thinks there are more important issues, as for panniers it looks like thats a non starter, maybe I will look at good custom bash plates or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 12, 2014, 10:13:34 am
By doing the research the manufacturing of one off products was implicitly advertised.
Really?
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 12, 2014, 10:13:58 am
By doing the research the manufacturing of one off products was implicitly advertised.
Nope.
The research could have led (as I believe it did) to a decision not to continue with the venture. No products available thus, no products for sale.

I understand your viewpoint, I just don't agree with it.  :thumleft:

If I now send Stuart a PM to ask him to make me a one off box/frame for my bike, where did I obtain the knowledge that he has such ability? It would be from the thread and as such it was advertising of his services albeit implicitly.

However, the real mods decided to reverse the decision so my opinion is not relevant :thumleft:
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: StuartC on August 12, 2014, 10:26:43 am
Lod Knormoer, that would boil down to ethics and I'm pretty sure that it would soon come to light that a member is making products and selling things at a low price, I'm in the fire place and Braai manufacturing game and have never once tried to promote my products on here even when people have enquired about said product's in the "wanted" threads, when riders enquire about rider training I have never suggested that they contact my son who is one of the top riders in the country and when some folk have an unsatisfied wife I have never offered my services,, do you maybe see a pattern here?
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: halfjob on August 12, 2014, 10:33:22 am
Lod Knormoer, that would boil down to ethics and I'm pretty sure that it would soon come to light that a member is making products and selling things at a low price, I'm in the fire place and Braai manufacturing game and have never once tried to promote my products on here even when people have enquired about said product's in the "wanted" threads, when riders enquire about rider training I have never suggested that they contact my son who is one of the top riders in the country and when some folk have an unsatisfied wife I have never offered my services,, do you maybe see a pattern here?

100% Stuart people analyse too much  :-\
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Jakes1 on August 12, 2014, 10:34:06 am
Lod Knormoer, that would boil down to ethics and I'm pretty sure that it would soon come to light that a member is making products and selling things at a low price, I'm in the fire place and Braai manufacturing game and have never once tried to promote my products on here even when people have enquired about said product's in the "wanted" threads, when riders enquire about rider training I have never suggested that they contact my son who is one of the top riders in the country and when some folk have an unsatisfied wife I have never offered my services,, do you maybe see a pattern here?

 :thumleft: :imaposer: Well said....
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: Gingerball on August 12, 2014, 10:34:10 am
Stuart, niks persoonlik nie maar kom oor dit of jy word nog geban ook. Ek het hierdie fight al meer as een keer probeer met die mods, jy sal nie wen nie!!
Die WD se leuse behoort te wees FIFO

Dit gese, ek geniet my vriendekring in die WD's terdee en is maar bereid om te buig sodat ek deel kan wees van 'n moerse nice klomp mense.
Wanneer dit saak maak sal baie van die manne agteroor buig (nie vooroor nie ) om jou te help.

Ag dankie Skala  :thumleft:

Ek het nie geweet jy ken my nie 
Title: Re: Seriously pissed off !
Post by: bud500 on August 12, 2014, 10:34:46 am
I think the issue has been sorted out.

Thread locked.