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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: 2-Stroke on August 28, 2014, 01:51:55 pm

Title: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2-Stroke on August 28, 2014, 01:51:55 pm
This is a copy of a poll MCN is hosting – http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/general-news/2014/august/is-the-new-ktm-super-adventure-too-much/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/general-news/2014/august/is-the-new-ktm-super-adventure-too-much/) – about the new KTM 1290 Super Adventure that is being released next year. It will be using the engine out of the 180hp Super Duke, but whether it will use all 180hp is unknown, all we know is that it will make more power and more torque than the current 150hp 1190. Let's see what Wild Dog says.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Pom17 on August 28, 2014, 01:59:02 pm
Although all that power does not make sense I honestly do not care. More power is always good in my books.

And if more power was a bad thing for dirt and people should only buy what they can manage and use to its full potential almost all would be on small singe cylinder bikes. Wheres the fun in that
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Stoetbul on August 28, 2014, 02:53:19 pm
It's still butt ugly in my eyes. Not even the power output will see me buy 1. :3some:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Grrrr.... on August 28, 2014, 02:56:06 pm
Will say it again. That is not a DS bike... it is the two wheeled equivalent of a Range Rove Evoque.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 28, 2014, 02:56:35 pm
the 990/950 sure looked a lot sexier  :-\
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 03:16:42 pm
Considering how pap and underpowered the majority of riders found the 990 to be, KTM had to step up to the 1190.

Now the 1190 is also not much in terms of power, so the 1290 makes absolute sense.

Of course, it will soon also be found wanting, so I hope KTM is working on the 1600 V-4.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: ETS on August 28, 2014, 03:24:32 pm
20yrs ago 800cc was enough.......................
More is better-- lighter even better :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: BFG on August 28, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
Considering how pap and underpowered the majority of riders found the 990 to be, KTM had to step up to the 1190.

Now the 1190 is also not much in terms of power, so the 1290 makes absolute sense.

Of course, it will soon also be found wanting, so I hope KTM is working on the 1600 V-4.

Agreed, I find that my bikes power is just not enough. Why can't the Austrians realise that we need at least 200bhp? And that's only just enough :lol8:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Toors on August 28, 2014, 03:35:38 pm
If I have to guess:  it would have no more than 165hp but plenty of torque.  It would have the same off-road mode of the 1190 that drops power on dirt to 100ish hp.  So question whether it would be have to much power for dirt is mute...

So taken that the power for dirt is controllable then my answer must be - you could never have enough power.

Fully loaded (with 30l of fuel) it should come in about 235-237kg - and it would handle dirt and smooth single (jeep) track well.

It is a tourer (longer range) with the same off-road capability as the standard 1190 Adv - would have more "luxury items" to appeal to a more discerning market.... :imaposer:

is it a DS bike? - depends on your definition of DS - as far as I am concerned the only DS bikes is the KTM 690 and the DRz 400... >:D
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 03:51:55 pm
If I have to guess:  it would have no more than 165hp but plenty of torque.  It would have the same off-road mode of the 1190 that drops power on dirt to 100ish hp.  So question whether it would be have to much power for dirt is mute...

So taken that the power for dirt is controllable then my answer must be - you could never have enough power.

Fully loaded (with 30l of fuel) it should come in about 235-237kg - and it would handle dirt and smooth single (jeep) track well.

It is a tourer (longer range) with the same off-road capability as the standard 1190 Adv - would have more "luxury items" to appeal to a more discerning market.... :imaposer:

is it a DS bike? - depends on your definition of DS - as far as I am concerned the only DS bikes is the KTM 690 and the DRz 400... >:D

And a XT600E. :deal:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: g1_ on August 28, 2014, 04:15:48 pm
And if more power was a bad thing for dirt and people should only buy what they can manage and use to its full potential almost all would be on small singe cylinder bikes. Wheres the fun in that

What do you mean where's the fun in that? That's exactly where the fun is!

Give me a 450 with an adventure fairing and language racks.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: mtr89 on August 28, 2014, 04:41:21 pm
Will say it again. That is not a DS bike... it is the two wheeled equivalent of a Range Rove Evoque.
Yip,what he said.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: DikZol on August 28, 2014, 04:48:29 pm
Will say it again. That is not a DS bike... it is the two wheeled equivalent of a Range Rove Evoque.

Very interesting comparison!!
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Pom17 on August 28, 2014, 05:38:16 pm
And if more power was a bad thing for dirt and people should only buy what they can manage and use to its full potential almost all would be on small singe cylinder bikes. Wheres the fun in that

What do you mean where's the fun in that? That's exactly where the fun is!

Give me a 450 with an adventure fairing and language racks.

A modern-day 450 is not by any means a tame and boring bike. Definitely more exciting than my, now sold, 800 GS  :ricky:

I was referring to small adventure bikes and not a racing machine  :deal:

But I agree with you. Next bike will be the 690, maybe even smaller, 500, 530 or 450. Just have to convince myself that the extra maintenance won’t be an issue
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: DCR on August 28, 2014, 05:45:17 pm
These big bikes are getting out of hand. There is such a thing as enough and we're long past it. Now they are just vanity machines.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 28, 2014, 06:30:46 pm
There is not such a thing as overkill. KTM is well on its way to build a bad Ass reputation, they want to have the baddest hard core Bike's around and that is why they build it. Let's face it, everyone wants one. It is like the Mercedes 63 AMG, senseless but  Awesome. :ricky:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bundu on August 28, 2014, 06:54:45 pm
There is not such a thing as overkill. KTM is well on its way to build a bad Ass reputation, they want to have the baddest hard core Bike's around and that is why they build it. Let's face it, everyone wants one. It is like the Mercedes 63 AMG, senseless but  Awesome. :ricky:
:thumleft:

Power: I wonder if the 1200GS would be at 125HP if it was not for the Triumph and Multi...

nobody will be forcing those that can afford the bike to buy it, so all good ;) - the 1290 will also not be aimed at the mass market IMO
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Mapog on August 28, 2014, 07:49:07 pm
Ek val deesdae graag. Wonder hoeveel ek met daai ding en al sy krag sal val.



En hoe gaan hy lyk na sy eerste val?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Dux on August 28, 2014, 07:58:14 pm
There is not such a thing as overkill. KTM is well on its way to build a bad Ass reputation, they want to have the baddest hard core Bike's around and that is why they build it. Let's face it, everyone wants one. It is like the Mercedes 63 AMG, senseless but  Awesome. :ricky:

Agree , and anyway it only goes as fast as you want it to  >:D
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: JonnyP on August 28, 2014, 07:58:37 pm
 :laughing4:

Vandag is als oor image, ons wil die vinnigste en mooiste kar, motorfiets he. Baie keer gebruik ons nie eers al die krag of accessories wat saam met dit gaan nie.  :ricky: :ricky:

Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 28, 2014, 08:06:37 pm
It is clever Marketing. Every young Boy will want this Bike more than anything else and they are right up his Dreams. IMHO their Marketing Strategy will pay off Handsomely and there will be  takers to show off their awesome capabilities that will increase the Frenzy.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 08:37:29 pm
They'll have Chris Birch ride it up a tame gulley, and all will ooze and drool at the bike's fantastic capabilities....... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 28, 2014, 08:54:37 pm
They'll have Chris Birch ride it up a tame gulley, and all will ooze and drool at the bike's fantastic capabilities....... :imaposer:Thin

Brand awareness  :thumleft: Think about it, how far has KTM come in the last 15 Years. It is an Awesome success Story.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 08:57:24 pm
They'll have Chris Birch ride it up a tame gulley, and all will ooze and drool at the bike's fantastic capabilities....... :imaposer:Thin

Brand awareness  :thumleft: Think about it, how far has KTM come in the last 15 Years. It is an Awesome success Story.

Aren't they mostly belonging to Bajaj?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 09:01:56 pm
2Stroke, why are you so quiet?

Tell us your own opinion.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 28, 2014, 09:15:23 pm
2Stroke, why are you so quiet?

Tell us your own opinion.
Bro sorry but are you talking to yourself?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2014, 09:38:49 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer:

No man, I'm talking to 2Stroke, not 2StrokeDan. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bundu on August 28, 2014, 09:54:52 pm
:imaposer: :imaposer:

No man, I'm talking to 2Stroke, not 2StrokeDan. :imaposer:


 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Xchallenge on August 28, 2014, 10:55:05 pm
Does it come free with the dual Bread Bins?
That's awesome, I love starch, so this way I can always take enough bread with me to use my KTM Toaster! Ha ha

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Sommer Ek on August 28, 2014, 11:06:14 pm
Dit behoort 'n lekker bike te wees. Vir my lyk hy goed. Waarom die Ketting en nie 'n Shaft nie? weet iemand dalk.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: RobC on August 28, 2014, 11:17:56 pm
Dit behoort 'n lekker bike te wees. Vir my lyk hy goed. Waarom die Ketting en nie 'n Shaft nie? weet iemand dalk.
You loose a lot of power doing 90 degree turns on the drive shaft with the transverse engine layout, once they go to a V layout like the Moto Guzzi maybe we will see a shaftie from KTM. :sip:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2-Stroke on August 28, 2014, 11:18:48 pm
2Stroke, why are you so quiet?

Tell us your own opinion.

I'm around. I'm simply reading with amusement. It's fun watching what everyone says.

I think you know my opinion.  ;)
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 07:36:41 am
2Stroke, why are you so quiet?

Tell us your own opinion.

I'm around. I'm simply reading with amusement. It's fun watching what everyone says.

I think you know my opinion.  ;)

Blerrie speed freak agent. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bensien on August 29, 2014, 07:44:43 am
In 1980, 100 hp was the upper limit for bikes and we were told that a 750 with 70 hp  was all we needed. 500cc was about the upper limit for any bike with off road aspirations. A Cortina with 102kw that could do 0-100 in 10 seconds was considered a fast car. There were people then that were also of the opinion that all that power and speed is unnecessary. Today a fast car is one with 300+ kw and a 0-100time of 4 seconds and even my wife’s little grocery getter will run circles around an XR6.

If the 1290 is anything like the 1190, it will still be much better off road than the S10, Explorer, V-Strom, Crosstourer and probably even the 1200LC. Combine that with performance to see off most superbikes and this must surely be the ultimate all- rounder. Or at least for the next year  or so.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 07:52:28 am
Looking through my 55-year old eyes, definitely too much. I mean it would still be exhilirating to ride, but honest knows you do not need half that power to have a good trip.

BUT......I know well how as a young man we could never have enough power, and how all power-emhancing procedures were popular.

My problem with this bike is, just like all bikes in it's class, it limits the rider tremendously in terms of terrain capability. And it does not help showing a video of
Travis Pastrana doing a double backflip on one, 99% of us is not Travis.

It was remarked that this is the Range Rover Evokativeness of the two wheel world, IT IS NOT, I would call it the 1969 Buick Parisienne.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 07:59:02 am
In 1980, 100 hp was the upper limit for bikes and we were told that a 750 with 70 hp  was all we needed. 500cc was about the upper limit for any bike with off road aspirations. A Cortina with 102kw that could do 0-100 in 10 seconds was considered a fast car. There were people then that were also of the opinion that all that power and speed is unnecessary. Today a fast car is one with 300+ kw and a 0-100time of 4 seconds and even my wife’s little grocery getter will run circles around an XR6.

If the 1290 is anything like the 1190, it will still be much better off road than the S10, Explorer, V-Strom, Crosstourer and probably even the 1200LC. Combine that with performance to see off most superbikes and this must surely be the ultimate all- rounder. Or at least for the next year  or so.


The ultimate offroad bike is a light, well-suspended bike in the 250/300 class, the ultimate roadbike is a light bike in the litre superbike class. It should be clear that an all-rounder
that must do both well does not exist. When you start seeing off superbikes you give too much away in that direction, always a tar lover's bike.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: ETS on August 29, 2014, 08:07:58 am
In 1980, 100 hp was the upper limit for bikes and we were told that a 750 with 70 hp  was all we needed. 500cc was about the upper limit for any bike with off road aspirations. A Cortina with 102kw that could do 0-100 in 10 seconds was considered a fast car. There were people then that were also of the opinion that all that power and speed is unnecessary. Today a fast car is one with 300+ kw and a 0-100time of 4 seconds and even my wife’s little grocery getter will run circles around an XR6.

If the 1290 is anything like the 1190, it will still be much better off road than the S10, Explorer, V-Strom, Crosstourer and probably even the 1200LC. Combine that with performance to see off most superbikes and this must surely be the ultimate all- rounder. Or at least for the next year  or so.


The ultimate offroad bike is a light, well-suspended bike in the 250/300 class, the ultimate roadbike is a light bike in the litre superbike class. It should be clear that an all-rounder
that must do both well does not exist. When you start seeing off superbikes you give too much away in that direction, always a tar lover's bike.
\

KTM has dummies for guys like you :peepwall: ::) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Gryshond on August 29, 2014, 08:17:44 am
Of course it will sell, world wide 90% of DS bikes never see any dirt let alone technical off road riding. Thus KTM was making a lot of concessions to off road riding while losing out to BMW. Change to a more road focussed bike and now they are really starting to threaten BMW sales. Since the strategy is working push further and make it even more road focussed with even more power. The guys who want decent off road capability can get the 690.

If it had a shaft I would buy it.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: J-dog on August 29, 2014, 08:36:54 am
It will sell because it is bigger and faster than anything else, and this makes a man's penis big. 12.9 inches.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bensien on August 29, 2014, 08:43:34 am

The ultimate offroad bike is a light, well-suspended bike in the 250/300 class, the ultimate roadbike is a light bike in the litre superbike class. It should be clear that an all-rounder
that must do both well does not exist. When you start seeing off superbikes you give too much away in that direction, always a tar lover's bike.

Machines are usually designed to have either a specialist application or to be as versatile as possible. The specialist item will do one thing extremely well and suck at other applications. The versatile one may not be brilliant at anything, but will be able to serve a variety of purposes. So this bike cannot stay with a Panigale on the 22, cruise down the N1 with the comfort of a Goldwing or go anywhere a 300EXC can, but it will probably be the best compromise. Leatherman vs. a cabinet full of separate tools. Your choice.   
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 08:44:35 am
In 1980, 100 hp was the upper limit for bikes and we were told that a 750 with 70 hp  was all we needed. 500cc was about the upper limit for any bike with off road aspirations. A Cortina with 102kw that could do 0-100 in 10 seconds was considered a fast car. There were people then that were also of the opinion that all that power and speed is unnecessary. Today a fast car is one with 300+ kw and a 0-100time of 4 seconds and even my wife’s little grocery getter will run circles around an XR6.

If the 1290 is anything like the 1190, it will still be much better off road than the S10, Explorer, V-Strom, Crosstourer and probably even the 1200LC. Combine that with performance to see off most superbikes and this must surely be the ultimate all- rounder. Or at least for the next year  or so.


The ultimate offroad bike is a light, well-suspended bike in the 250/300 class, the ultimate roadbike is a light bike in the litre superbike class. It should be clear that an all-rounder
that must do both well does not exist. When you start seeing off superbikes you give too much away in that direction, always a tar lover's bike.
\

KTM has dummies for guys like you :peepwall: ::) ;) ;)

Those KTM dummies are not conventional dummies , they are actually butt-plugs to stop KTM riders leak from the anus. It is true......... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 29, 2014, 09:05:03 am
They'll have Chris Birch ride it up a tame gulley, and all will ooze and drool at the bike's fantastic capabilities....... :imaposer:Thin

Brand awareness  :thumleft: Think about it, how far has KTM come in the last 15 Years. It is an Awesome success Story.

Aren't they mostly belonging to Bajaj?
Yes they belong (mostly) to Baja much like Ferrari belongs to Fiat. ;)
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 29, 2014, 09:09:41 am
2SD be honest, if Yamaha had build this Bike we would not be in this discussion.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Coala on August 29, 2014, 10:49:55 am
vir n slag stem ek saam met Dan, maar dit is dalk omdat ons noord van 40 is en gewig en n haastige lewe n probleem begin raak. 
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Yupa on August 29, 2014, 11:00:09 am
It's still butt ugly in my eyes.

+1
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Roxtar on August 29, 2014, 11:22:28 am
Seeing that the best Japan can come up with at the moment is mild updates to the ST and the boring Varadero and Honda discontinuing one of the best DS bikes ever (AT), I am at least EXTATIC that KTM has taken on the role of pusHing the limits and giving us bikes that seem INSANE, much like the Japs did in the 90's when each each bike was crazier than the last and we had no clue where it would end............ :thumleft:

BTW I am a huge fan of the Japanese bikes and always will be, but give credit where credit is due... :thumleft: GO KTM
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: ETS on August 29, 2014, 11:33:50 am
In 1980, 100 hp was the upper limit for bikes and we were told that a 750 with 70 hp  was all we needed. 500cc was about the upper limit for any bike with off road aspirations. A Cortina with 102kw that could do 0-100 in 10 seconds was considered a fast car. There were people then that were also of the opinion that all that power and speed is unnecessary. Today a fast car is one with 300+ kw and a 0-100time of 4 seconds and even my wife’s little grocery getter will run circles around an XR6.

If the 1290 is anything like the 1190, it will still be much better off road than the S10, Explorer, V-Strom, Crosstourer and probably even the 1200LC. Combine that with performance to see off most superbikes and this must surely be the ultimate all- rounder. Or at least for the next year  or so.


The ultimate offroad bike is a light, well-suspended bike in the 250/300 class, the ultimate roadbike is a light bike in the litre superbike class. It should be clear that an all-rounder
that must do both well does not exist. When you start seeing off superbikes you give too much away in that direction, always a tar lover's bike.
\

KTM has dummies for guys like you :peepwall: ::) ;) ;)

Those KTM dummies are not conventional dummies , they are actually butt-plugs to stop KTM riders leak from the anus. It is true......... :peepwall:


You got me there!!!!!! :thumleft: :laughing4: :thumleft: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Pom17 on August 29, 2014, 01:45:52 pm
Seeing that the best Japan can come up with at the moment is mild updates to the ST and the boring Varadero and Honda discontinuing one of the best DS bikes ever (AT), I am at least EXTATIC that KTM has taken on the role of pusHing the limits and giving us bikes that seem INSANE, much like the Japs did in the 90's when each each bike was crazier than the last and we had no clue where it would end............ :thumleft:

BTW I am a huge fan of the Japanese bikes and always will be, but give credit where credit is due... :thumleft: GO KTM

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: +1000
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Manic on August 29, 2014, 01:50:17 pm
Thread nr6.

Kom ons kyk of ons thread nr 10 kan slaan oor die 1290 voor volgende Vrydag  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bundu on August 29, 2014, 02:07:08 pm
Thread nr6.

Kom ons kyk of ons thread nr 10 kan slaan oor die 1290 voor volgende Vrydag  :thumleft:

 :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: ek het al een oopgemaak, dis nou JOU beurt!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Manic on August 29, 2014, 02:17:13 pm
FFS  >:D
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bundu on August 29, 2014, 02:59:56 pm
FFS  >:D

miskien kan ons hier tiete post, want die mods lees die threads en combine hulle duidelik nie?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 29, 2014, 03:05:23 pm
FFS  >:D

miskien kan ons hier tiete post, want die mods lees die threads en combine hulle duidelik nie?  :peepwall:
Excellent idea. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Draadwerk on August 29, 2014, 03:13:14 pm
Tiete op 'n KTM thread- julle oumas sal nie pose dat julle fotos neem nie.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2014, 03:22:06 pm
You loose a lot of power doing 90 degree turns on the drive shaft with the transverse engine layout, once they go to a V layout like the Moto Guzzi maybe we will see a shaftie from KTM. :sip:

They have more than enough power to drive a shaft.  I seriously doubt that they will turn the engine to go shaft.  If Honda, Yamaha, etc. can handle, so would KTM.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 03:57:03 pm
All the old shaftdrive Yamahas and Suzukis had transverse engines. No need to"turn" the engine, and powerlosses are not that much with these sort of outputs.

Yamaha's V-max is an example.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 04:01:14 pm
2SD be honest, if Yamaha had build this Bike we would not be in this discussion.

The KTM 1290 is a magnificent motorcycle, but even if Yamaha had built it, it would still be useless for speeds in excess of 180, and it would still need fancy electronics to make it manageble to the average buyer.
It is still a magnificent bike though. Although in a useless way, like a 7storey kiddies treehouse built out of gold.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 29, 2014, 04:14:34 pm
Tiete op 'n KTM thread- julle oumas sal nie pose dat julle fotos neem nie.
Hey Man ons het laaaank al nie meer Oumas nie.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bensien on August 29, 2014, 04:15:51 pm
All the old shaftdrive Yamahas and Suzukis had transverse engines. No need to"turn" the engine, and powerlosses are not that much with these sort of outputs.

Yamaha's V-max is an example.

Quite true. It is a fallacy that a shaft drive loses a lot more power than a chain. The latest shaft drives are close to a chain in efficiency and actually better than a worn chain and sprockets. If a shaft lost as much power as claimed, the heat it generated would cause it to melt.

The real drawbacks of a shaft are increased unsprung mass, which affects handling and suspension reaction and also adds complexity. A very powerful, lightweight motorcycle with a shaft drive also suffers from driveshaft jacking, i.e. the bike rises and lowers on the suspension under acceleration and braking. This is the reason why Laverda abandoned their V6 shaft drive race bike project.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Manic on August 29, 2014, 04:31:30 pm
Die manne se ballas alreeds te klein vir die 1190, so wie gaan die 1290 koop?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: DikZol on August 29, 2014, 05:09:47 pm
Ek voel half jammer vir die ouens wat 'n klomp geld betaal het vir hul splinternuwe 1190's net om te hoor na 'n paar maande dat hulle binnekort ou nuus is!! Expensive to be fashionable!
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Manic on August 29, 2014, 05:12:34 pm
Ek voel half jammer vir die ouens wat 'n klomp geld betaal het vir hul splinternuwe 1190's net om te hoor na 'n paar maande dat hulle binnekort ou nuus is!! Expensive to be fashionable!

Glad nie, soos ek verstaan gaan die 1290 nie die 1190 vervang nie?

As dit wel so is, geen probleem anyway, daai 1290 gaan te wild wees vd normale man op straat  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: DikZol on August 29, 2014, 05:17:33 pm
Het KTM regtig genoeg verkope om daardie segment so fyn op te sny?  Vergeef my oningeligtheid, maar wat sou dan die applikasie verskil wees tussen 'n 1190 en 1290?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Lord Knormoer on August 29, 2014, 06:12:34 pm
Het KTM regtig genoeg verkope om daardie segment so fyn op te sny?  Vergeef my oningeligtheid, maar wat sou dan die applikasie verskil wees tussen 'n 1190 en 1290?

Ek dink die 1290 begin sommer 'n hele nuwe segment.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Manic on August 29, 2014, 06:31:55 pm
Weet net nie hoe gaan die ouens manage om van n 90hp bike af te klim op n 180hp bike nie.

180HP is Yamaha se R1 se krag. Dis woes. Ek glo nie julle besef hoeveel krag die 1290 gaan maak nie  :peepwall:

Die 1190 verkrag alreeds meeste roadbikes, wat de fok gaan daai 1290 nie doen nie?

Ek myself nou so lus gepraat ek dink ek gaan more my naam op die lys sit by KTM vir een  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 06:39:01 pm
Weet net nie hoe gaan die ouens manage om van n 90hp bike af te klim op n 180hp bike nie.

180HP is Yamaha se R1 se krag. Dis woes. Ek glo nie julle besef hoeveel krag die 1290 gaan maak nie  :peepwall:

Die 1190 verkrag alreeds meeste roadbikes, wat de fok gaan daai 1290 nie doen nie?

Ek myself nou so lus gepraat ek dink ek gaan more my naam op die lys sit by KTM vir een  :thumleft:

Gaan koop hom Manic, dan kom kuier jy vir my dat ek jou kan se of jou bike lekker loop. :ricky:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Garfield on August 29, 2014, 06:52:21 pm
Het KTM regtig genoeg verkope om daardie segment so fyn op te sny?  Vergeef my oningeligtheid, maar wat sou dan die applikasie verskil wees tussen 'n 1190 en 1290?

HP used or not, pose value = priceless
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Offshore on August 29, 2014, 06:56:36 pm
Garfield, ek sal graag will hoor wat Eiers se opine van die Bike is. ;D
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Garfield on August 29, 2014, 07:03:20 pm
Garfield, ek sal graag will hoor wat Eiers se opine van die Bike is. ;D

Gee kans...
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Bundu on August 29, 2014, 08:58:52 pm
Die manne se ballas alreeds te klein vir die 1190, so wie gaan die 1290 koop?

ek dink ek sal - you only live once  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2014, 09:02:49 pm
The 1290 is actually nothing new in the sense that there are several guys, including my cousin, riding around on "streetfighter" modded superbikes.
Huge power, no fairing, high bars, exactly like a 1290.

Nothing under the sun is new it seems.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Snafu on August 29, 2014, 09:08:42 pm
There is not such a thing as overkill. KTM is well on its way to build a bad Ass reputation, they want to have the baddest hard core Bike's around and that is why they build it. Let's face it, everyone wants one. It is like the Mercedes 63 AMG, senseless but  Awesome. :ricky:

the 990/950 was a bad ass as a DS bike, KTM is truning soft, following BMW?
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Draadwerk on August 30, 2014, 05:59:20 am
Well, depending on the price, I would buy one - If KTM can finally build something that would be as comfortable for two-up touring as the GS, I would think it would be a winner.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: whitedelight on August 30, 2014, 07:30:59 am
This bike is more road focused to go against the Ducati Multistrada,which for some reason in Europe still seems to be the benchmark DS bike??? The Europeans will buy this bike for sure.
I am still holding out for KTM to build a smaller twin in DS form. Or maybe Yamaha does it first with a nice new twin and triple at their disposal. Whoever gets their first,that would likely be my next bike.
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: Vlakhaas on August 30, 2014, 09:50:50 am
Die monster sal die "sport" in DS sit  :drif: 'n Paar padfietse sal lelik op hulle neus kyk. Die 990 kort juis 'n stalmaat...

Ek glo nie in overkill nie, amper soos die ou Colt ad: ".45 ACP, because it is silly to shoot twice"
Title: Re: Is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure too much?
Post by: 2-Stroke on September 01, 2014, 02:07:14 pm
Methinks pretty much everyone has voted.

46% say yes. Roughly 60% say yes or maybe.   O0

A little less than 40% either aren't very good at dirt, or are a little bit boring.  :peep wall:

Just kidding. Ride anything you like, as long as you are riding!  :ricky:

If nearly 50% like the idea of more power, then the bike is worthwhile.

The MCN version of this poll was similar:
No, the electronics package will control the power and make it perfect for two-up touring.  45.75%
Possibly, the BMW R1200GS only makes 125bhp and this is more than powerful enough.  9.65%
Yes, who needs 180bhp in an adventure machine? Concentrate on the ride and build quality KTM, not peak power.  26.95%
Definitely, adventure bikes are about relaxed riding, not one-wheeled lunacy. Can you imagine controlling 180bhp in an off-road environment? Pointless.  17.65%