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Title: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 11, 2014, 11:00:49 am
 :thumleft: :deal: looking for some dogs to come and test our accommodation on the plaas sometime :ricky: just need feedback on what to improve. Camping also available but very basic at this stage, I.e. boskak  :lol8:
Place:sir lowrys pass knorhoek farm
what: small parkhome which sleeps 4 (1/2 double beds, 2 bunk beds/ mattress on floor  :imaposer: or with a squeeze 4+2 kids
to do: awsome trails around the farm, swim in a 4 hectare dam, bass fishing, hiking, horse riding, drink beer  :ricky: braai, chill out  :thumleft: fully kitted just bring chow and beer  :biggrin:

Mark
083 6261484

Title: Re: Re: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: Pumbaa on October 11, 2014, 01:04:44 pm
:deal: looking for a dog to come and test our accommodation on the plaas for tonight  :ricky: just need feedback on what to improve.
Place:sir lowrys pass knorhoek farm
what: small parkhome which sleeps 4 (1/2 double beds, 2 bunk beds/ mattress on floor  :imaposer: or with a squeeze 4+2 kids
to do: awsome trails around the farm, swim in a 4 hectare dam, bass fishing, hiking, horse riding, drink beer  :ricky: braai, chill out  :thumleft: fully kitted just bring chow and beer  :biggrin:
sorry about the late notification  :peepwall:
Mark
083 6261484
ps if a couple dogs want to pull in no problem  :biggrin:
Is this part of knorhoek wine farm? Where exactly is it?
Title: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: KyleHB on October 11, 2014, 01:08:42 pm
If Im welcome I'd love to come check it out when I get my bike!

Would be great to meet some guys in the area. I am in Stellenbosch.
Title: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: halfjob on October 11, 2014, 01:35:33 pm
Near wedderwill, as you come in the knorhoek gate you turn immediately and go up towards Bizweni lodge 200mt after the railway line turn left and go all the way to the end of the road  :thumleft: otherwise just phone me and I will meet you at the gate
Title: Re: Re: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: Pumbaa on October 11, 2014, 09:26:32 pm
Near wedderwill, as you come in the knorhoek gate you turn immediately and go up towards Bizweni lodge 200mt after the railway line turn left and go all the way to the end of the road  :thumleft: otherwise just phone me and I will meet you at the gate
I will have to come and check it out. We might be looking for some accommodation for small groups. Can you pm me some details? Might want to come and have a look during the week at some point, but will have to see as my week is very busy.
Title: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: halfjob on October 12, 2014, 12:29:22 am
Sure pumbaa, will try and send you some pics as well if you can pm me your email address  :thumleft:
Title: Re: free accommodation for tonight
Post by: Wooly Bugger on October 13, 2014, 11:12:10 am
If Im welcome I'd love to come check it out when I get my bike!

Would be great to meet some guys in the area. I am in Stellenbosch.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 13, 2014, 11:20:19 am
  :biggrin: :biggrin: i assume you are 120% sure  :imaposer: pm me the background  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Wooly Bugger on October 13, 2014, 11:39:40 am
  :biggrin: :biggrin: i assume you are 120% sure  :imaposer: pm me the background  :thumleft:

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 13, 2014, 02:51:37 pm
chicken  :laughing4:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 10:16:29 am
i am gobsmacked  :o not one dog looking for a free weekend  ??? changed to anytime this month guys and gals  :deal:
maybe they all know how much beer i drink  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: DirtRebell on October 14, 2014, 10:28:09 am
pm sent
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2014, 10:30:31 am
Can we ride (not race) our plastics on the trails?

If so, I am keen, next weekend can work for us, Saturday to Sunday.

Can do all the rest too, drink beer, ride horses, swim, braai, drink beer, fish, drink beer  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 10:38:53 am
hoesit garfield, yes to all your questions  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Marvin on October 14, 2014, 10:41:23 am
I'm very interested, the next few weekends are just booked out.  :'( But I'll even be willing to pay if it's as awesome as you make it sound.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2014, 10:41:52 am
hoesit garfield, yes to all your questions  :thumleft:

Great, so if DirtRebell does not take your offer can we take it for next weekend Saturday to Sunday?
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: The Rock on October 14, 2014, 10:43:21 am
sjoe! can't believe nobody jumped at this opportunity!

what will the cost be normally - for camping and for the house?

post some pics of the setup and surroundings  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 10:57:40 am
will post pics tonight... am very kak at actually doing it  :biggrin: we are trying to work out a fair cost thats why i need some dogs to give me an idea of what to charge  :thumleft: it is to keep swambo busy as she justs sits at home thinking of stuff for me to do  :P camping at the moment is up at the dam, it is grassed with a lapa thingy and braai area. we are busy making new camping areas on the other side of the dam which will have ablutions etc. what i would like to do is if it is not rented out then post here for anyone who wants a close getaway at a reduced rate, i assume i should then become a vendor  ??? mods please let me know  :thumleft:
how do i put a google earth map on here  ???
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Marvin on October 14, 2014, 11:01:15 am
will post pics tonight... am very kak at actually doing it  :biggrin: we are trying to work out a fair cost thats why i need some dogs to give me an idea of what to charge  :thumleft: it is to keep swambo busy as she justs sits at home thinking of stuff for me to do  :P camping at the moment is up at the dam, it is grassed with a lapa thingy and braai area. we are busy making new camping areas on the other side of the dam which will have ablutions etc. what i would like to do is if it is not rented out then post here for anyone who wants a close getaway at a reduced rate, i assume i should then become a vendor  ??? mods please let me know  :thumleft:
how do i put a google earth map on here  ???
This sounda great! Can I book in advance for a weekend in November?  :deal: :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Matewis on October 14, 2014, 11:05:07 am
Looks like a plan. Post some more details please!!
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 11:07:59 am
ok  :thumleft: can some bright spark put up a list with who and what dates required then we can shuffle accordingly? i'm dom when it comes to editing and other such kak  :laughing4:
1. dirtrebell 18th+19th october
2. garfield 25th+26th october
3. marvin  7th+8th november
4. the rock ???
5. kettingsaag  14th november
make sense? add your names..first eight on the list go for free  :deal: thereafter depending on feedback it will still be for free or a price will be forthcoming  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: DirtRebell on October 14, 2014, 11:15:45 am
Garfield - 25-26 Oct
DirtRebell - 30 Oct - 2Nov
Marvin - A weekend in Nov
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 11:28:20 am
thanks D R need to figure this out  :imaposer:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Marvin on October 14, 2014, 11:59:28 am
Yes! I'm on the list!!! I've never been on a list!!! (exploding fireworks) Thanks Halfjob and Dirtrebel.
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 12:12:36 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :laughing4:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2014, 12:18:23 pm
Garfield - 25-26 Oct
DirtRebell - 30 Oct - 2Nov
Marvin - A weekend in Nov


Works for me  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 12:48:41 pm
cool, what plastic you got? need to plan a ride when you come out  :deal:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2014, 12:50:45 pm
cool, what plastic you got? need to plan a ride when you come out  :deal:

Garfield - WR450
RedRo - Garfield's boss in marriage - CRF230F
Dory - teenage 2IC - CRF230F

Will drag the trailer along, ride the trails, take photos and post a review/ride report, oh and drink beer of course  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 01:11:27 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: schweet got kdx 200 quads yamaha yzf i think another kdx etc etc oh and a donkey called twitchit  :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Matewis on October 14, 2014, 01:31:38 pm
Put me down for 14 Nov. Might just be a one nighter!
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2014, 01:41:14 pm
This the farm?

Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: The Rock on October 14, 2014, 01:51:28 pm
right click on the desired location and click on "What's here" and Google Maps will give you the coordinates of that spot, then copy and paste the coordinates here.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: DikZol on October 14, 2014, 02:20:42 pm
This sounds like a lekker quick breakaway place just to get rid of the cobwebs and have some quiet time. 

I am very interested to come and visit.  Happy to pay however.  Next three weekends all booked up on trips etc., but am keen for a midweek or anything close to a public holiday.

Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Marvin on October 14, 2014, 02:39:00 pm
Can I do the 7th and 8th of November?
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Coxwain on October 14, 2014, 03:43:42 pm
Can I come and just drink beer  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:   Hey ya old fart ....its time for a dop at Im Eima ....phone me FFS....
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: halfjob on October 14, 2014, 10:50:06 pm
Eish coxie sorry boet...my bad :biggrin: will shout next trip to the 'boardroom' you coming to drink beer with all these other hooligans  :pot:
garfield yup that be the spot  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 15, 2014, 12:37:43 pm
Some more pics, dam and future campsites  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 15, 2014, 12:43:23 pm
Some more general around the plaas ones  :biggrin: and halfjobs stoep where we braai and play pool  :deal: and the bikes sleep here too until the garage is built  :imaposer: oh and we shoot here too thats what a 3208 does to 10mm stainless discs  :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: DikZol on October 15, 2014, 07:37:27 pm
Dit lyk lekrrr!!!
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs
Post by: Coxwain on October 15, 2014, 08:16:04 pm
Eish coxie sorry boet...my bad :biggrin: will shout next trip to the 'boardroom' you coming to drink beer with all these other hooligans  :pot:
garfield yup that be the spot  :thumleft:

Of course I'm coming to drink beer with the other hooligans  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 15, 2014, 10:00:53 pm
Cool pull in  :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: voltaire on October 16, 2014, 07:33:42 pm
I think I've just managed to get an invite. .... hello, I'm also hooligan
Last time I was there someone drank jeagermeister from some blowup doll's nether region and someone else's ego took a horrible chuck me farly kind of thing the rest we don't talk about....
Coxxie ... time to head up and check bj's oops I mean hj's upgraded pozzie
You ready halfjob?
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Coxwain on October 16, 2014, 08:37:21 pm
I think I've just managed to get an invite. .... hello, I'm also hooligan
Last time I was there someone drank jeagermeister from some blowup doll's nether region and someone else's ego took a horrible chuck me farly kind of thing the rest we don't talk about....
Coxxie ... time to head up and check bj's oops I mean hj's upgraded pozzie
You ready halfjob?

ohhhh yea ....let the good times roll.....for old time sake :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 16, 2014, 11:07:41 pm
Ok so saturday it is  :biggrin: lateish afternoon  :thumleft: julle gaan kak broers  :deal:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on October 21, 2014, 07:59:18 pm
halfjob, logistics for the weekend and questions...

- We intend to be there early on Saturday, leaving Melkos around 06:00, is that OK?
- What is in the "house"?  i.e. power, bedding, fridge, cooker etc. - we can be 100% self-sufficient, the women need to know though
- Can I bring my dogs? 2 x stoepkakkers, the women will pick up the kak

Cheers, Garfield aka Kobus

PS: Oh yes, really important, which lures work best in the dam, and what beer do you drink?
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 21, 2014, 09:46:18 pm
Hey G sorry been oppie plaas all day doing actually fokkol  :biggrin: huisie is complete with 4 of everything bedding towels (bring your own for swimming etc) gas stove 100 L electric geyser stoep chairs etc microwave, fridge, sound system, no tv, no wi fi not much cell phone signal, braai thingy (bring grid) wood by the ton, safety gate, burgler bars, eish must I go on  :ricky: windhoek draught and a dose of chill from you okes  :deal: looking forward to it bud. If you want to you can pull in friday arvie  :thumleft: no problemo. Can bring dogs but beware we have a beeeeg boerboel must just intro them then all should be cool.
lures..... the laaities use plastic wormy thingys which they drag along the bottom  ??? Bring grenades much easier  :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on October 21, 2014, 09:54:54 pm
 :imaposer: Seems perfect then  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 21, 2014, 09:57:03 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on October 26, 2014, 04:09:09 pm
A few photos and an opinion here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=161989.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=161989.0)

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: DirtRebell on October 26, 2014, 09:37:19 pm
Nice write up Kobus!
Sure looks the the part and seems you had a jol?

I indicated that I'd like to take the fambly next weekend,  but unfortunately have to change plans.

So if anyone else like to arrange with HJ for next weekend,  please go for it.
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 26, 2014, 09:42:47 pm
No worries DR  :thumleft: as Garfield says it is not new and not 5 star but for a weekend its good to go, improvements will be ongoing as time allows  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: DirtRebell on October 26, 2014, 10:02:03 pm
No worries DR  :thumleft: as Garfield says it is not new and not 5 star but for a weekend its good to go, improvements will be ongoing as time allows  :thumleft:

No no man. I'm not having a change of heart following Garfields report..:imaposer:

Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on October 27, 2014, 07:35:32 am
No I know that  :imaposer: but am putting it out there that as garfield says don't expect 5 star yet I need to improve some things on an ongoing basis. This is the feedback I need  :thumleft: keep it coming  :deal:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on October 27, 2014, 09:39:12 am
No worries DR  :thumleft: as Garfield says it is not new and not 5 star but for a weekend its good to go, improvements will be ongoing as time allows  :thumleft:

No no man. I'm not having a change of heart following Garfields report..:imaposer:



Sies, nou voel die arme man sy plek is nie goed genoeg vir jou nie, verdomde Melkbos snob  :lamer:

Jou kiddies sal hulle gate uit geniet op die plaas, vat visstokke, swemklere, die klein bike, vleis en bier  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: m0lt3n on October 29, 2014, 11:55:34 am
So as julle kapenaars nie nou al net die beste adventure riding paaie en areas het nie, nou het jul sommer al free verblyf ook op hierdie naweek wegbreek plekke!
Title: Re:
Post by: Matewis on November 13, 2014, 08:38:36 pm
Hey halfjob. My plans changed on short notice to can't flippen make it. But it's certainly on my bucketlist. Sorry! !
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on November 13, 2014, 08:55:49 pm
No worries boet  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Pleco on November 30, 2014, 12:09:14 pm
Hello Halfjob.
 Is the place available to sleep over on the 13th of December, and how much?

Want to take the laaitie for some fishing.


Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on November 30, 2014, 05:55:24 pm
Yup is available will be cool for the laaitie, how old is he? Let me know if you need bedding etc as we have changed the pricing to 500 ronts including and 400 ronts if you bring your own bedding and towels  :thumleft: might be more affordable this way  :deal:
Mark
083 6261484
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Pleco on November 30, 2014, 06:00:17 pm
Yup is available will be cool for the laaitie, how old is he? Let me know if you need bedding etc as we have changed the pricing to 500 ronts including and 400 ronts if you bring your own bedding and towels  :thumleft: might be more affordable this way  :deal:
Mark
083 6261484
 :thumleft:


Thanks Mark.

Laaitie is 10.

Will bring bedding. I am in the DRC still at the moment, flying ou the 11th, but will ask the better half to call you and organise payment. Will go there just after lunch on 13th and be out before lunch on the 14th.

What lures work best there? Would prefer to let the laaitie use surface lures, as you can then see the action. Not sure how clear the water is. Will be catch and release if OK with you. I know some guys prefer you remove the fish under 200 grams to get the overall size up.
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on November 30, 2014, 10:13:50 pm
Cool pleco  :thumleft: not sure what lures to use  ??? Maybe ping garfield as he caught when they stayed over. If you have a quad or plastic bike bring it with. You are welcome to pull in earlier and leave later  :thumleft: water is crystal clear
look forward to seeing you guys  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: DRAZIL on December 02, 2014, 04:50:01 pm
How the heck did I miss this thread
4 hectare dam with bass
I will book in and pay to have privilege to fish
soon  :thumleft: :thumleft:
 
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on December 02, 2014, 04:56:38 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: booked up from 22nd december tho  :P
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Pleco on December 02, 2014, 05:03:49 pm
Cool pleco  :thumleft: not sure what lures to use  ??? Maybe ping garfield as he caught when they stayed over. If you have a quad or plastic bike bring it with. You are welcome to pull in earlier and leave later  :thumleft: water is crystal clear
look forward to seeing you guys  :thumleft:

Got a few tips from Garfield. Will update on the fishing.

Hope the South Easter lets up a bit. :dousing:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: DRAZIL on December 02, 2014, 05:07:30 pm
:thumleft: :thumleft: booked up from 22nd december tho  :P

I shall keep in contact  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on December 02, 2014, 11:17:17 pm
 :thumleft:Good stuff pleco yup the wind is howling here  :o drazil you are welcome anytime mate  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on December 12, 2014, 07:42:44 pm
Pleco are you still coming tomorrow? No cell signal here so just checking  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Pleco on January 24, 2015, 07:49:48 pm
A bit late, but thanks for a brilliant stay.

A very good spot to go and relax a bit. South Easter as a bit of a bugger, but thats not your fault.

Laaitie caught a few small bass on a jointed Rapala and I caught one of about 1kg on a hula popper. We had to fish on the upwind corner, as casting into the wind would have been impossible, although the downwind side would have held a lot more fish.

Just maybe add a fire screen behind the braai. All those trees behind the braai and the South Easter had me very nervous.

Thanks again it was a very relaxing day and a half. :thumleft: :thumleft:   
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on January 25, 2015, 01:26:29 am
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Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: tgg on March 10, 2015, 06:50:21 pm
Whats your rates currently
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on March 10, 2015, 09:44:28 pm
hey tgg the cottage is R400 per night without linen and R450 with. garfield got a special rate of R350 as he is bringing about ten18 year olds for his daughters party. will have to stand guard with a shotgun methinks  :peepwall:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on March 10, 2015, 09:48:13 pm
hey tgg the cottage is R400 per night without linen and R450 with. garfield got a special rate of R350 as he is bringing about ten18 year olds for his daughters party. will have to stand guard with a shotgun methinks  :peepwall:

Will be there on Friday, will be very well armed  :biggrin:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on March 10, 2015, 09:59:42 pm
 ;D ;D  :thumleft:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Coxwain on March 10, 2015, 10:06:20 pm
Halfjob ....see you on Friday  :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:


oh .....and bye the way ....next time you steal my helmet in the traffic department.....Im going to blixem you   :imaposer:
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: Garfield on March 10, 2015, 10:08:28 pm
Note to self: pack the extra mags for the semi-auto as well and do not forget the widow-maker...
Title: Re: (changed)free accommodation for a couple of dogs now with pics
Post by: halfjob on March 11, 2015, 08:22:20 am
Roll up roll up all ye dogs who want to be shot  :imaposer: coxie you coming round on Friday for a beer? We can keep garfield company with the shotgun  :ricky: