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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 22, 2014, 08:06:24 am

Title: Keyless Ride
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 22, 2014, 08:06:24 am
I've seen for model year 2015 that the new Gear Shift Assist Pro and Keyless Ride are available on the R1200GS, Adventure and RT and I know the Gear Shift Assist Pro can be retrofitted onto my 2014 R1200GS.

My question is, does anyone know if the Keyless Ride can be retrofitted and if so is it available already?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Copernicus on October 22, 2014, 06:21:43 pm
I saw somebody saying that they may do away with it on the GS/A because of reliability issues way yonder...  Not sure if it is fact though.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Charlie600 on October 22, 2014, 07:26:24 pm
I'm awaiting my 2015 LC and according to the guys at Bavarian in Centurion they don't expect the keyless option to arrive on the SA bound models, unless it is perhaps some ploy to try and convince me to take the bike now!

I do however believe (non-factually) that this option will have some sort of overriding key that you can utilise in the event of the key dropping into water etc, as to ensure it is failsafe.

The keyless option on any vehicle was always viewed as a waste of money in my books, that was until such time that I received my new car earlier this year with the keyless option fitted – it is insanely awesome and saves so much trouble of trying to find a remote etc – just ensure that it’s in one of your pockets and off you go.  :laughing4:

Then lastly, I would be very surprised if they can retrofit fit it, anything is however possible these days
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: nielvn on October 22, 2014, 09:56:54 pm
at this stage it is not coming to SA, not sure later 2015 or 2016 models.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on October 23, 2014, 07:22:43 am
The keyless option on any vehicle was always viewed as a waste of money in my books, that was until such time that I received my new car earlier this year with the keyless option fitted – it is insanely awesome and saves so much trouble of trying to find a remote etc – just ensure that it’s in one of your pockets and off you go.  :laughing4:

Saw it the same you did.  Waste.  Then we got a car with it installed (standard, not optional).  I still do not see the advantage to pay extra for the option.  Searching for the key with remote, or searching for the keyless thingy is the same to me.  Pressing the button on the key, or the keyless thingy to deactivate alarm and unlock vehicle is the same.  Sticking keyless thingy in pocket or key in ignition is the same to me.  In fact, I find the ignition switch a very handy place to store the key.  Way better than the pocket. 
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on October 23, 2014, 08:05:25 am
I'm awaiting my 2015 LC and according to the guys at Bavarian in Centurion they don't expect the keyless option to arrive on the SA bound models, unless it is perhaps some ploy to try and convince me to take the bike now!

I do however believe (non-factually) that this option will have some sort of overriding key that you can utilise in the event of the key dropping into water etc, as to ensure it is failsafe.

The keyless option on any vehicle was always viewed as a waste of money in my books, that was until such time that I received my new car earlier this year with the keyless option fitted – it is insanely awesome and saves so much trouble of trying to find a remote etc – just ensure that it’s in one of your pockets and off you go.  :laughing4:

Then lastly, I would be very surprised if they can retrofit fit it, anything is however possible these days


You're spot on Charlie600 - see below image.
The remove has a conventional key which flicks out in the event of issues arising (such as the remote falling into water etc).
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on October 31, 2014, 07:32:44 am
I think this is awesome. the new bmw cars has keyless go as standard and I also thought its a gimmick. Its flippen lekker! And it will be even better on the bike as I keep forgetting my keys in the bike (stupid I know) but also, when in the bundus this will still be awesome, you cant lose a key stashed deep in a jacket pocket. While its a mission to keep taking keys in and out of pants pockets with a huge risk of them falling out or something else falling out of that pocket when you take the key out. Murphy also states you will remember to take your keys out after putting your glovers on.

Reliability sounds stupid, I have not heard of one failure on any brand of car. ITs easy tech.

Lots of pushback on this, I do not understan why.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on October 31, 2014, 11:46:50 am
Lots of pushback on this, I do not understan why.

No pushback.  Our Ford have this.  Nice, but I really do not see enough advantage to add a coupe of thousand ZARS to the price of a GS for it. 
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on October 31, 2014, 11:52:07 am
Lots of pushback on this, I do not understan why.

No pushback.  Our Ford have this.  Nice, but I really do not see enough advantage to add a coupe of thousand ZARS to the price of a GS for it. 

Aag, what does a few thousand more make a difference!! haha
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Twister on October 31, 2014, 08:13:35 pm
I would love to have a keyless option on my bike, put the key in your pocket and forget about it.

Rode a Harley with this feature and realy liked it.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 03, 2014, 11:50:52 am
I would love to have a keyless option on my bike, put the key in your pocket and forget about it.

Rode a Harley with this feature and realy liked it.

Just don't drop it!  You may find that, at your next fuel up, 350km away, the bike won't start again.

I prefer the key.  Put the key in the ignition switch and forget about it.  Also, great positive, I cannot go anywhere without it and find out about that much, much later!

Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on November 03, 2014, 01:19:30 pm
I would love to have a keyless option on my bike, put the key in your pocket and forget about it.

Rode a Harley with this feature and realy liked it.

Just don't drop it!  You may find that, at your next fuel up, 350km away, the bike won't start again.

I prefer the key.  Put the key in the ignition switch and forget about it.  Also, great positive, I cannot go anywhere without it and find out about that much, much later!



How will you drop it if you never took it out of your pocket?

the idea behind this is missed...
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 03, 2014, 02:07:18 pm
How will you drop it if you never took it out of your pocket?

the idea behind this is missed...

The idea is not missed at all (you would think I am an idiot!), but hey, your cash, your bike.  Whatever floats your boat.

I don't like the idea.  That is my opinion, so my bike, bought with my cash, won't have that feature.

In the end, who cares?  Enjoy your bike, the way you like it.




Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on November 03, 2014, 03:37:26 pm
How will you drop it if you never took it out of your pocket?

the idea behind this is missed...

The idea is not missed at all (you would think I am an idiot!), but hey, your cash, your bike.  Whatever floats your boat.

I don't like the idea.  That is my opinion, so my bike, bought with my cash, won't have that feature.

In the end, who cares?  Enjoy your bike, the way you like it.

Eish no one said you are an idiot. I just pointed out a flaw in your argument. In other word you will see the light of day or change your argument and I will see light of day. But okey, like you said, enjoy your bike the way you like it
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 04, 2014, 01:10:24 pm
Eish no one said you are an idiot. I just pointed out a flaw in your argument. In other word you will see the light of day or change your argument and I will see light of day. But okey, like you said, enjoy your bike the way you like it


And I didn't say anyone called me an idiot. 

The flaw in my argument, as pointed out by you, is only valid if you can guarantee that you have and never will lose the remote.  I can't, so for me, the argument is 100% valid.  I would prefer that the vehicle and myself are within a few meters of where I  misplaced the key, rather than 300 or so km away.  Now, we can debate until we are both out of breath, but I can bring you a dude who, with a very expensive SUV, after fueling up at Three Sisters, found that his remote fell out of his pocket when he got into said SUV in Mosselbay.   Rather uncomfortable.  Rather expensive. 

Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BikerJan on November 04, 2014, 02:39:56 pm
I do not think the bike will start without the remote being in close vicinity to the bike. My car certainly don't
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 04, 2014, 02:55:16 pm
I do not think the bike will start without the remote being in close vicinity to the bike. My car certainly don't

Try this Jan.  Start your car with the remote at hand.  Then leave the remote behind and drive off.  See how far you go before the car cuts out.   Some cars (assuming bike may be the same) will not die.  They will keep running as a safety (during hijacking for instance) feature.  It will only refuse to start the next time you try to start.  By then, you and the remote could be a long way apart from each other.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BikerJan on November 04, 2014, 03:04:37 pm
I do not think the bike will start without the remote being in close vicinity to the bike. My car certainly don't

Try this Jan.  Start your car with the remote at hand.  Then leave the remote behind and drive off.  See how far you go before the car cuts out.   Some cars (assuming bike may be the same) will not die.  They will keep running as a safety (during hijacking for instance) feature.  It will only refuse to start the next time you try to start.  By then, you and the remote could be a long way apart from each other.

I can see that it could lead to a very uncomfortable situation if this is the case, will check it this afternoon.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: DirtRebell on November 04, 2014, 03:08:24 pm
How does it deal with the steering lock?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2014, 03:09:38 pm
One of those solutions which never had a problem in the first place.

I guess it does provide a coolness brag factor though.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on November 04, 2014, 03:43:41 pm
I think something is wrong with me. I must be the only one that has more than once remembered that I still need to take my key out of my pocket after I put my gloves on.

Its not coolness. you dump the key in your bike jacket pocket and forget it there for the rest of your trip, all hassles sorted, no risk of losing the key.

I have never lost a key from a pocket, but I have lost a lot of other stuff that was in the same pocket as the keys when taking them out.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2014, 03:47:26 pm
I think something is wrong with me. I must be the only one that has more than once remembered that I still need to take my key out of my pocket after I put my gloves on.

Its not coolness. you dump the key in your bike jacket pocket and forget it there for the rest of your trip, all hassles sorted, no risk of losing the key.

I have never lost a key from a pocket, but I have lost a lot of other stuff that was in the same pocket as the keys when taking them out.

Not at all, in the end it comes down to personal choice  :thumleft:

Just a question though...

I assume you still need the key to open the fuel filler cap, take off the seat and open or lock your panniers and top-box if you have the BMW luggage with matched key?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 05, 2014, 09:23:35 am
I assume you still need the key to open the fuel filler cap, take off the seat and open or lock your panniers and top-box if you have the BMW luggage with matched key?

Apparently all push button when remote is around.  It is rather nifty technology.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BikerJan on November 05, 2014, 09:34:08 am
It is indeed the case that the car keeps on running even if the remote is removed from the vehicle. Very important to place it in a safe place, before driving off then.

I still think it is a good idea on the bike though, you zip the key in you jacket pocket, and off you go, no more removing gloves after I am on the bike, to battle the key out of my pocket.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2014, 09:36:54 am
I assume you still need the key to open the fuel filler cap, take off the seat and open or lock your panniers and top-box if you have the BMW luggage with matched key?

Apparently all push button when remote is around.  It is rather nifty technology.

OK, that at least is good.

I assume if the remote goes belly up you can still unlock everything and start with a key?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 05, 2014, 10:11:34 am
It is indeed the case that the car keeps on running even if the remote is removed from the vehicle. Very important to place it in a safe place, before driving off then.

According to the salesman at a well know manufacturer, it is one of the greatest safety features since R4 assault rifles.  

Anyway, as I have said earlier, many of the nifty stuff on vehicles today will be liked by some and not liked by others.  A few years ago my brother-in-law had a Mazda bakkie.  It had this incredible safety feature that the bonnet release worked electronically.  Immobilized and alarmified by the vehicles safety systems.   All so nasty criminals cannot get in there to disconnect your security systems ... or, that the owner cannot get in there to connect jumper cables or a charger to the F(*^&)((^ING flat battery!

I assume if the remote goes belly up you can still unlock everything and start with a key?
 

On the Beemer, apparently yes.  On our car, nope.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 06, 2014, 08:41:32 am
Now then, with keyless riding sorted, how about another bit of electronic trickery we see in modern cars, which may well be the next Beemer "buy me" thingy.

Auto start/stop!   :patch:
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BMW GS Motorrad Fan on November 06, 2014, 04:30:03 pm
Now then, with keyless riding sorted, how about another bit of electronic trickery we see in modern cars, which may well be the next Beemer "buy me" thingy.

Auto start/stop!   :patch:

I think auto stop / start is brilliant in my car, so why not have it on your motorcycle!
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BikerJan on November 06, 2014, 04:36:33 pm
Now then, with keyless riding sorted, how about another bit of electronic trickery we see in modern cars, which may well be the next Beemer "buy me" thingy.

Auto start/stop!   :patch:

I think auto stop / start is brilliant in my car, so why not have it on your motorcycle!

It is the most irritating feature of my otherwise brilliant BMW, I think it is plain stupid to stop and start an engine in such short frequencies.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 06, 2014, 04:56:46 pm
It is the most irritating feature of my otherwise brilliant BMW, I think it is plain stupid to stop and start an engine in such short frequencies.

The jury in my head is still out on this.  Our Ford thankfully have a on/off switch.  It can be okay if you get used to it, I guess, but I am wondering if the starter has been beefed up to manage, potentially hundreds of starts a day, instead of two?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on November 06, 2014, 10:48:56 pm
The bmw cars have beefed up starters for the stop/start. I find I miss it when I actually want to stop for more than a few seconds. Rest of the time I creep the car a lot or put it of.

on the keyless go in the car...driving off without the key gave dashboard warnings, car died when I stopped then and did not want to start again. I believe the setup on the bike will be similar.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: BikerJan on November 07, 2014, 10:51:00 am
Happened to me a couple of times that I press the wrong button, in stead of the "off" button for the stop/start, I press the ignition button, whilst kreeping. Resulting in a very sudden stop!
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Manic on November 07, 2014, 11:02:27 am
I do not think the bike will start without the remote being in close vicinity to the bike. My car certainly don't

Try this Jan.  Start your car with the remote at hand.  Then leave the remote behind and drive off.  See how far you go before the car cuts out.   Some cars (assuming bike may be the same) will not die.  They will keep running as a safety (during hijacking for instance) feature.  It will only refuse to start the next time you try to start.  By then, you and the remote could be a long way apart from each other.

Yip. Then 300km away from home, someone will have to bring the key for you.
Or Roadside Assist will tow you home  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 09, 2014, 07:15:30 pm
Yip. Then 300km away from home, someone will have to bring the key for you.
Or Roadside Assist will tow you home  :laughing4:

Dude, that would be a heavenly problem.

With real bad luck, as we married chaps sometimes suffer, I would pull the car from the garage for the dear wife.  Then she gets in and drive off, while I go to work.  300km later she is stranded and I have the keyless thingy in my pocket .....  death and destruction will be the peaceful option ...  :eek7:
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Walter ZSA on November 11, 2014, 05:58:50 am
I do not think the bike will start without the remote being in close vicinity to the bike. My car certainly don't

Try this Jan.  Start your car with the remote at hand.  Then leave the remote behind and drive off.  See how far you go before the car cuts out.   Some cars (assuming bike may be the same) will not die.  They will keep running as a safety (during hijacking for instance) feature.  It will only refuse to start the next time you try to start.  By then, you and the remote could be a long way apart from each other.

Gaan lekker de moer in wees as ek solo in die karoo en my bike vrek 10 km uit Loxton en ek moet terug loop om dit te gaan haal.Simpel feature as jy my vra!!!
Yip. Then 300km away from home, someone will have to bring the key for you.
Or Roadside Assist will tow you home  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 11, 2014, 07:13:03 am
Electronic wizardry.  All cool when working properly.  My Ford bakkie,  06 model does not have much,  but one day at work,  I started it.  Then a colleague came up and I got out to have a chat.  During the chat I closed the door and it,  for some reason promptly locked itself!  I now had a vehicle,  securely locked,  with the bloody engine running! 

Moerse funny now,  thinking back.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Charlie600 on November 12, 2014, 12:58:29 pm
I've just received confirmation from Bavarian motorcycles in Centurion that BMW will not be bringing the key less option to South Africa, seeing that it will apparently be a R30k option if they were to provide the SA public with the said option...It's a real pity seeing that the cost of key less on a car is sub R5K and this feature really would've been amazing!
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2014, 10:55:34 am
... will apparently be a R30k option if they were to provide the SA public with the said option...

Whooaaaa!   I can help with a much cheaper solution.  Call me.  We negotiate.  I can do the N-A-K technology for any bike, Beemer of other wise, for a miniscule R3k.  That is 10% of what the option will cost you at BMW!  Call now, don't delay!  N-A-K Technology!  Get it now!


(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s675/AMZ1960/keyless_zpsadbe06ff.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/AMZ1960/media/keyless_zpsadbe06ff.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on November 13, 2014, 12:20:41 pm
Electronic wizardry.  All cool when working properly.  My Ford bakkie,  06 model does not have much,  but one day at work,  I started it.  Then a colleague came up and I got out to have a chat.  During the chat I closed the door and it,  for some reason promptly locked itself!  I now had a vehicle,  securely locked,  with the bloody engine running! 

Moerse funny now,  thinking back.

How did you sort this out in the end?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2014, 01:48:42 pm
How did you sort this out in the end?

Broke the little sliding bit of the rear cab window.  Thankfully it was possible (as I had hoped) to replace only that bit.

Ford denied that it is at all possible to happen.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Copernicus on November 21, 2014, 04:22:35 pm
I've just received confirmation from Bavarian motorcycles in Centurion that BMW will not be bringing the key less option to South Africa, seeing that it will apparently be a R30k option if they were to provide the SA public with the said option...It's a real pity seeing that the cost of key less on a car is sub R5K and this feature really would've been amazing!
I think this is a BS story. Keyless option in France is only €246.  There must be another reason.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: GS12 on November 22, 2014, 06:43:08 pm
Saw a new 2015 std GS (not Adv) at my dealer this morning and he says its a R9k option.....
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Copernicus on November 23, 2014, 12:28:15 am
That is still a lot.  The Euro price comes to about R3500 and that includes 20% VAT.  The mark-up on the extras are then quite high in SA.  But the base bike prices are good.  The GSA in France (base price) is much more than in SA.  I don't have the exact amounts but I guess the difference is about R50K, maybe more.  Therefore not bad for SA.  Apologies for deviating from the original topic.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Tp007 on November 27, 2014, 10:14:38 am
My brother just borrowed my NC. He commuted to work this morning on his Harley with a keyless system. He started the bike in his garage this morning but forgot to put the pug in his pocket and rode to work. Now he cant restart the bike without the pug... >:D

Sometimes having a key system is a bit better. ;)
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2014, 10:22:33 am
My brother just borrowed my NC. He commuted to work this morning on his Harley with a keyless system. He started the bike in his garage this morning but forgot to put the pug in his pocket and rode to work. Now he cant restart the bike without the pug... >:D

Sometimes having a key system is a bit better. ;)

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: silvrav on November 28, 2014, 10:36:41 am
My brother just borrowed my NC. He commuted to work this morning on his Harley with a keyless system. He started the bike in his garage this morning but forgot to put the pug in his pocket and rode to work. Now he cant restart the bike without the pug... >:D

Sometimes having a key system is a bit better. ;)
lol, but kak keyless syste then...bike shouldve died 5meters from the key left at home.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Tp007 on November 28, 2014, 10:41:02 am
My brother just borrowed my NC. He commuted to work this morning on his Harley with a keyless system. He started the bike in his garage this morning but forgot to put the pug in his pocket and rode to work. Now he cant restart the bike without the pug... >:D

Sometimes having a key system is a bit better. ;)
lol, but kak keyless syste then...bike shouldve died 5meters from the key left at home.
The transponder is only required to cancel the immobilizer. So once the bike is running, you can ride without it...
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: silvrav on November 28, 2014, 10:43:46 am
My brother just borrowed my NC. He commuted to work this morning on his Harley with a keyless system. He started the bike in his garage this morning but forgot to put the pug in his pocket and rode to work. Now he cant restart the bike without the pug... >:D

Sometimes having a key system is a bit better. ;)
lol, but kak keyless syste then...bike shouldve died 5meters from the key left at home.
The transponder is only required to cancel the immobilizer. So once the bike is running, you can ride without it...
mmmm, still a silly design if you can leave it somewhere or fall out your pocket.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2014, 10:44:37 am
keyless syste then...bike shouldve died 5meters from the key left at home.

Actually, arguable whether kak or not.  It is boosted as a security feature by Ford and others.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Cobus G on December 08, 2014, 01:23:11 pm
So from what my Pinetown dealer have told me, it seems the 2015 GS's will not have keyless start OR  the gear assist Pro as import option? So if I understand this correctly, the only advantage to buying a 2015 GS, would be the heavier flywheel found on the LCA? I suppose you can still add gear assist pro as an after market fit?
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Copernicus on December 08, 2014, 05:43:13 pm
I think gear assist pro is available as an option in SA.  It is only the keyless that is not.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: m0lt3n on December 12, 2014, 06:51:40 am
I have a BMW car with keyless.

I tested it...it moans when driven without the key. I am pretty sure the bike will be the same. Loads of flashy warnings on the dash.

Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: TheBear on December 12, 2014, 07:45:36 am
I have a BMW car with keyless.

I tested it...it moans when driven without the key. I am pretty sure the bike will be the same. Loads of flashy warnings on the dash.



Jip.  We tested our Ford last weekend.  Although it doesn't die it does complain a lot.  Seems the Salesman who explained about the safety feature had not yet tried it himself.
Title: Re: Keyless Ride
Post by: Copernicus on July 01, 2015, 04:45:57 pm
How does it deal with the steering lock?

Steering lock is motorised. You push the 'button' (where the key would go normally) for a second or so longer and it activates with a slight buzz.

Having lived with the keyless for a while I have a few observations:

It is not more convenient than an ordinary key.  The ordinary key has a place to stay on the bike and you always know where to find it.  Not the case with keyless.

Best is to find a place where you can leave it permanently (either on yourself or in the tank bag etc.)  It obviates constantly looking for it in who knows how many pockets.

The fuel tank is not locked unless the handlebars are locked.  No keyhole for the filler cap.

There is no ignition keyhole and therefore no back-up if the system fails (except for trying your spare key).  As far as I can see, there is nothing you can remove that will allow you to use the key in conventional mode.

Keyless makes more sense on the RT (and similar road bikes) since it unlocks the boxes too.  On the GS/A, it remains a manual effort.

Although it may look cool, I don't think it is worth the extra dough (for the DS bikes).  Also, they only give you one key (plus the plastic spare).  

I don't think South Africans should be too disappointed that the feature is not available there.