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Title: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: JK on November 03, 2014, 05:17:01 pm
Changed the chain and sprockets on the commute again yesterday. Off course its an opportrunity to clean thouroghly around the front  sprocket and chain slides etc. That blerry sticky gemors from the chain lube drives me nuts. It ends up everywhere, on the other bikes, car on the wife's floors the dogs etc etc.  :patch:
Please help with a good chain lube that will not do this. Thus must have good lube, and not fly off onto my work pants, but also not go and build up everywhere with sticky mess.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Oshkosh on November 03, 2014, 05:25:31 pm
Changed the chain and sprockets on the commute again yesterday. Off course its an opportrunity to clean thouroghly around the front  sprocket and chain slides etc. That blerry sticky gemors from the chain lube drives me nuts. It ends up everywhere, on the other bikes, car on the wife's floors the dogs etc etc.  :patch:
Please help with a good chain lube that will not do this. Thus must have good lube, and not fly off onto my work pants, but also not go and build up everywhere with sticky mess.

Switch to Shaft Drive!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 03, 2014, 05:26:01 pm
ToolintheCan :deal: ;)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on November 03, 2014, 05:28:14 pm
I've taken to using normal engine oil (whatever I have lying around) applied with an old toothbrush, much less messy.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Winston on November 03, 2014, 05:34:41 pm
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Swannie 685 on November 03, 2014, 06:33:17 pm
Chain lube in a can is the answer  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Abre on November 03, 2014, 07:06:25 pm
Differential oil.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Straatkat on November 03, 2014, 07:15:03 pm
Use chain wax, just spray it on and let dry. No sticky mess. That sticky mess also mixes with sand to form a nice grinding paste. Go with Chain Wax.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: mtr89 on November 03, 2014, 08:46:18 pm
Bel-ray Blue tac has worked well for me.clean your chain,spray on the lube and then leave it to stand for an hour or two,or overnight.
RIDE.
Smile
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: DCR on November 03, 2014, 08:50:28 pm
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I've seen plenty reports that the chain (given that it's an O- or X-ring) lasts as long as when you lube it. It makes sense, but old habits die hard. Discussed in depth on ADVRider.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 03, 2014, 09:02:46 pm
Castrol Chain Wax. Dirt cheap at Makro and no mess at all.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Buddy on November 03, 2014, 09:14:26 pm
Duckhams Water Pump Grease (the white one) applied with an ice-cream stick every 500km's or so.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Swannie 685 on November 03, 2014, 09:46:42 pm
The OP does not want a "blerrie sticky gemors" and i assume no"blerrie off fling" as well :deal:

Therefore all the greases or oils mentioned in posts are irrelevant as they all make a mess  :pot:

Chain lube/wax in a can is the only alternative  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Swannie 685 on November 03, 2014, 09:48:38 pm
Duckhams Water Pump Grease (the white one) applied with an ice-cream stick every 500km's or so.  :thumleft:

Who wants to buy an ice-cream every 500 kays only to get the stick ???  ::)  :lol8:
Title: Re:
Post by: RyC on November 03, 2014, 09:55:11 pm
Previously used Castrol chain wax. Could not find it on my previous shopping trip and bought the Motul wax. Really impressed with it...
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Rmac on November 03, 2014, 09:55:34 pm
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 04, 2014, 07:18:02 am
ToolintheCan :deal: ;)
+1  :thumleft:

I've been using tool-in-a-can and/or WD40 for about 50 000km and my chains last very well (37000km on first chain and sprockets, 24000km on current set - still going strong).

It's clean, easy, convenient and cheap. I tilt the bike, put a stick under the swingarm and spin the rear wheel while spraying around the front sprocket cover.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: sandrot on November 04, 2014, 07:24:08 am
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690

Die goed werk my tjom
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: JK on November 04, 2014, 08:15:42 am
Thanks guys  :thumleft:
Will look at the Wurth and or Tool in the can thing then  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 04, 2014, 08:18:57 am
WD40 works for me, and cleans the chain at the same time. The only drawback is that you get a bit of crap on the rear rim... but it also prevents the spokes from rusting  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Titanic on November 04, 2014, 08:22:02 am
Thanks guys  :thumleft:
Will look at the Wurth and or Tool in the can thing then  :thumleft:
Wurth, definitely.
No flinging, no mess.

First clean that mess with diesel.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Pom on November 04, 2014, 01:56:00 pm
I am super fussy about this problem, I cannot stand chain wax that flings off!!!
At last I discovered Bel Ray Super Clean, and IT WORKS!!!
No mess, no fuss, even at speeds of 200kph it stays on - Heaven :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Sharingroads on November 04, 2014, 02:00:33 pm
Bel ray Super Clean.


First with a soft brush, clean chain with parafin, then water based engine cleaner, hose down, ride around a bit to get all the water off, then lube. I do every 500km or 2 weeks, whichever comes first, and wash every 3 months or so.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 04, 2014, 03:51:13 pm
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?
On a F800GS I replaced a chain and sprockets on 31000. A mate doesn't bother with chain lube. At 23000 km his F800GS chain and sprockets are goners.

Remember that the X-rings keep the lubrication inside the chain joints, but the real wear takes place between chain and sprockets.
You cannot do much about chain stretch, other than riding conservatively, but you want to stop the metal-chain-on-metal-sprockets wear. Sprocket tooth wear out and start bending because they get thin -  and is then a contributor to chain stretch. Chain rollers wear out, contributing with chain stretch to catching the last tooth, rather than spreading the load...
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Mr Zog on November 04, 2014, 03:56:34 pm
I am super fussy about this problem, I cannot stand chain wax that flings off!!!
At last I discovered Bel Ray Super Clean, and IT WORKS!!!
No mess, no fuss, even at speeds of 200kph it stays on - Heaven :thumleft:

That sounds just like an advert for Omo, or Surf  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Kenzogs on November 04, 2014, 04:00:13 pm
Believer in Castrol chain Wax but mainly because it is the only one I can find regularly here. No fling off problems. Plastic (Husky TE310 gets done every time after riding - non O-ring chain)

If you know you are going to be riding in dusty area where grit sticking to the chain can be a problem then try using graphite powder. Small tupperware container and applied with old (or your mates) toothbrush stops all the Richtersveld dust sticking to your chain.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Doringboom on November 04, 2014, 09:39:45 pm
Ek het 'n paar jaar gelede 'n kampeer-buurman by die Buff in Mosselbaai gehad wat weer net glo in Sunlight Liquid (ja, skottelgoedseep) vir smering op sy baaik se ketting. Wel, as daar steeds enige fling off is dan was mens dit sommer silwerskoon met water af, fienies en klaar :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 05, 2014, 07:56:31 am
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?
On a F800GS I replaced a chain and sprockets on 31000. A mate doesn't bother with chain lube. At 23000 km his F800GS chain and sprockets are goners.

Remember that the X-rings keep the lubrication inside the chain joints, but the real wear takes place between chain and sprockets.
You cannot do much about chain stretch, other than riding conservatively, but you want to stop the metal-chain-on-metal-sprockets wear. Sprocket tooth wear out and start bending because they get thin -  and is then a contributor to chain stretch. Chain rollers wear out, contributing with chain stretch to catching the last tooth, rather than spreading the load...

So if we do the math...He got about 35% less than you. On my KLR a good set of chain and sprockets work out to about R2000. Thus, if you spend more than R700 (R2000 x 0.35) on chain lube during the chain's lifetime, you are wasting money.

Thus, buy tool-in-a-can for R30 a can!  ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: bud500 on November 05, 2014, 08:56:03 am
2 tips that help prevent fling and gunk:

- Always apply the chain lube to the inside of the chain, this way the lube gets forced into the chain with centrifugal force,
- Always apply lube when the chain is warm, to ensure better penetration.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: lecap on November 05, 2014, 09:29:27 am
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I had bike hire customers doing exactly that. 3,000km. And that was a top of the range x- ring chain on a Suzuki XF650. The chain lubed with Castrol chain wax usually lasts ten times as long.

It is a basic requirement to lube an o-ring or x-ring chain since the seals only seal between the side plates (the space between bush and pin). There is no seal between bush and roller. If you don't lube your rollers  wear rapidly and thrash the sprockets in the process.

AFAIK every chain driven bikes owners manual states that you must lube the chain.

As for mess free lubrication: Castrol Chain lube Racing. Don't overdose. Every 400 - 500km of road, if you have been riding in the rain or in dirt or if the rollers are shiny and dry on the outside. Spray only where it's needed (on the rollers). Clean with Prepsol and dish brush and rinse off with water if it gets messy because you put on too much.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 10:14:46 am
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I had bike hire customers doing exactly that. 3,000km. And that was a top of the range x- ring chain on a Suzuki XF650. The chain lubed with Castrol chain wax usually lasts ten times as long.

It is a basic requirement to lube an o-ring or x-ring chain since the seals only seal between the side plates (the space between bush and pin). There is no seal between bush and roller. If you don't lube your rollers  wear rapidly and thrash the sprockets in the process.

AFAIK every chain driven bikes owners manual states that you must lube the chain.

As for mess free lubrication: Castrol Chain lube Racing. Don't overdose. Every 400 - 500km of road, if you have been riding in the rain or in dirt or if the rollers are shiny and dry on the outside. Spray only where it's needed (on the rollers). Clean with Prepsol and dish brush and rinse off with water if it gets messy because you put on too much.

Yes absolutely, just want to add.....raise the rear wheel off the ground and spin while oiling and for a while thereafter to disperse the oil evenly. Most lubes have a solvent which eveporates and after evaporation the oil should "stick" better. Do not ride the bike straight after oiling.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 05, 2014, 10:50:24 am
After a dusty ride I use a wire brush to clean the chain with the bike on main stand and 1st gear. On a multi day ride the chain has to be lubed every day.

Just listening to the sound of a dry chain makes me cringe. The relative fling mess is negligible compared to the benefits of chain lube.

And Q20 and similar are evaporating oils. It lasts for a day before nothing is left.

Dish-washing liquid is a SOAP, not an oil based LUBRICANT!

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Straatkat on November 05, 2014, 10:06:56 pm
Yes but it cleans the dishes so well, must be good for a chain then. Maybe wash the dishes in Castrol chain wax and the try it on the chain to see if it will work there as well.....The logic of it all astounds me!
Anyone try to use Zambuk on your chain in a pinch? If it works on your lips then....oh shut-up!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: JK on November 06, 2014, 09:44:31 am
Yes but it cleans the dishes so well, must be good for a chain then. Maybe wash the dishes in Castrol chain wax and the try it on the chain to see if it will work there as well.....The logic of it all astounds me!
Anyone try to use Zambuk on your chain in a pinch? If it works on your lips then....oh shut-up!

Yes but the rule would be to pick ur Zambuk carefully. We have a member that always ride with Zambuk but uses it for his Piles  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 06, 2014, 10:57:05 am
Yes but it cleans the dishes so well, must be good for a chain then. Maybe wash the dishes in Castrol chain wax and the try it on the chain to see if it will work there as well.....The logic of it all astounds me!
Anyone try to use Zambuk on your chain in a pinch? If it works on your lips then....oh shut-up!

Yes but the rule would be to pick ur Zambuk carefully. We have a member that always ride with Zambuk but uses it for his Piles  :patch: :lol8:
That should clean the chain quite well!.... sort the piles out if you sit on the chain whilst in gear! :lol8: :eek7:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Straatkat on November 07, 2014, 11:37:25 am
Yeah the chain scrubs the piles right off and coat the area lightly with Zambuk, it's a win win.
And another thread goes to pot!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 07, 2014, 11:57:45 am
On average I get about 30 000 to 35 000km out of a chain and set of sprockets. Q20... not to lube it really, but to keep it clean.

Dirt is the death of chain and sprockets. If it will work for the MX riders, it works for me.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 07, 2014, 12:04:22 pm
The scottoiler guys state that their system will make a chain last at least 7 times longer due to lubrication only, so going without lube is not the answer! :deal:

I have used 4 different kinds of chain lube in the past and only recently started using Motorex`s Offroad chain lube. What I like about it is that it does not leave a greasy residue and cleansed right off with some prepsol. And when i say right of I mean just that. :thumleft:  

PS. You are also one of the group that uses Zambuck so I`ll we watching when you go to the toilet! :o
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 07, 2014, 12:22:15 pm
The scottoiler guys state that their system will make a chain last at least 7 times longer due to lubrication only, so going without lube is not the answer! :deal:

I have used 4 different kinds of chain lube in the past and only recently started using Motorex`s Offroad chain lube. What I like about it is that it does not leave a greasy residue and cleansed right off with some prepsol. And when i say right of I mean just that. :thumleft:  

PS. You are also one of the group that uses Zambuck so I`ll we watching when you go to the toilet! :o

At least 7 times longer?  :laughing4:  :imaposer: Anywhere between 70 000km and 210 000km on a chain then? Sounds like a bit of a STRETCH (no pun intended).

Got to love the marketing team from Scottoiler!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 07, 2014, 12:28:16 pm
The scottoiler guys state that their system will make a chain last at least 7 times longer due to lubrication only, so going without lube is not the answer! :deal:

I have used 4 different kinds of chain lube in the past and only recently started using Motorex`s Offroad chain lube. What I like about it is that it does not leave a greasy residue and cleansed right off with some prepsol. And when i say right of I mean just that. :thumleft:  

PS. You are also one of the group that uses Zambuck so I`ll we watching when you go to the toilet! :o

At least 7 times longer?  :laughing4:  :imaposer: Anywhere between 70 000km and 210 000km on a chain then? Sounds like a bit of a STRETCH (no pun intended).

Got to love the marketing team from Scottoiler!


Just remember they are talking about the correct intervals of changing a chain, not riding it until it looks like the chain on an old stroper standing outside nie.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Pistonpete on November 07, 2014, 02:48:18 pm
I just started stocking Liqui-Moly Dry Lube...PTFE Lube....going to start using that  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2014, 02:59:27 pm
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

I use Castrol chain wax, and here lies the thing...........only spray on lightly on the inside of the bottom chainrun, about once every 200kms.

You overgrease hopelessly if there is a messy build-up.

I also never clean a chain.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: benn on November 07, 2014, 04:01:14 pm


If you know you are going to be riding in dusty area where grit sticking to the chain can be a problem then try using graphite powder. Small tupperware container and applied with old (or your mates) toothbrush stops all the Richtersveld dust sticking to your chain.

Never thought of graphite powder. Like the idea. Anyone ever used it?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: punisher on November 07, 2014, 04:19:08 pm
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Pistonpete on November 07, 2014, 04:34:23 pm
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can

The Liqui-Moly cheaper by far...can you believe!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: punisher on November 07, 2014, 04:36:11 pm
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can

The Liqui-Moly cheaper by far...can you believe!

 whats the price ???
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Rooivark on November 10, 2014, 10:16:52 am
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 10, 2014, 10:56:45 am
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas

Die spanjaard maak baie ghries built-up ongelukkig maar is `n goeie prys!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: lecap on November 11, 2014, 07:49:08 am
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

...
Not quite correct. A (well maintained) roller chain does not show significant sliding motion between the rollers and the sprocket. That was Mr. Reynold's ingenious invention. The roller (as the name suggests) rolls in and out of the sprocket as it engages and disengages. The sliding motion (and a significant amount) happens between the roller and the bush, this part of the chain (in an o- or x-ring chain) is NOT sealed.
The lubrication between the roller and the bush is needed and crucial for the functioning and long service life of the chain.
Since it's a rather small space between roller and bush your chain lube has to be of very low viscosity when you apply it. Something called "capillary effect" will suck the lube into the space between roller and bush.
Once the lube is in there it should solidify into a thick greasy consistency to make sure it stays in there for longer instead of being thrown out by the centrifugal forces from the chain running around the sprockets and flung off.

If you do not lube the rollers they will quickly seize and stop turning on the bushes. Now you have sliding motion between the rollers and sprocket as the chain engages and disengages the sprocket and the rollers and sprockets will wear rapidly.

The o-ring or x-ring seals only seal the space between the bush and pin. This is where the chain links pivot relative to their neighbours to move around the sprockets.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 11, 2014, 08:00:49 am
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

...
Not quite correct. A (well maintained) roller chain does not show significant sliding motion between the rollers and the sprocket. That was Mr. Reynold's ingenious invention. The roller (as the name suggests) rolls in and out of the sprocket as it engages and disengages. The sliding motion (and a significant amount) happens between the roller and the bush, this part of the chain (in an o- or x-ring chain) is NOT sealed.
The lubrication between the roller and the bush is needed and crucial for the functioning and long service life of the chain.
Since it's a rather small space between roller and bush your chain lube has to be of very low viscosity when you apply it. Something called "capillary effect" will suck the lube into the space between roller and bush.
Once the lube is in there it should solidify into a thick greasy consistency to make sure it stays in there for longer instead of being thrown out by the centrifugal forces from the chain running around the sprockets and flung off.

If you do not lube the rollers they will quickly seize and stop turning on the bushes. Now you have sliding motion between the rollers and sprocket as the chain engages and disengages the sprocket and the rollers and sprockets will wear rapidly.

The o-ring or x-ring seals only seal the space between the bush and pin. This is where the chain links pivot relative to their neighbours to move around the sprockets.
Thank you for sharing Lecap! It is always a pleasure reading of the mechanical workings of all the bike parts!  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 11, 2014, 08:33:29 am
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I've stopped lubing my chain, and from visual inspection and chain tension requirements it seems like it is actually lasting longer.

I do however ride mostly off-road, and any lube on a chain just turns to grinding paste if it ingests dust. With lube the sprocket surfaces turn shiny and polished from wear, without lube they stay dull.

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 11, 2014, 08:50:54 am
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Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: steveindar on November 11, 2014, 09:32:09 am
A good argument for not using WD40 to clean your chain!




http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html (http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 11, 2014, 09:47:54 am
A good argument for not using WD40 to clean your chain!




http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html (http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html)


 ??? post a pic/description please? Not a member there...

Nevermind it loaded now.  :laughing4: janee. WD40 is dangerous stuff! Ask Hando as well...
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: steveindar on November 11, 2014, 09:52:17 am
A good argument for not using WD40 to clean your chain!




http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html (http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html)


 ??? post a pic/description please? Not a member there...

Nevermind it loaded now.  :laughing4: janee. WD40 is dangerous stuff! Ask Hando as well...

Sorry Boet.


"I will start off by saying that I am a worthless squid rookie and I suck at everything in life.
I was about to go for a ride today and my chain was pretty nasty, so I put it up on the stands and got out the wd-40 and a rag. I started the bike, put it in gear and let it idle. I sprayed the chain down really well and I put the rag up to it and it got caught and took my hand with it through the rear sprocket. I had to have everything above my last joint amputated on my index, pointer and my ring finger on my right hand. Thankfully I am left handed. It was a stupid mistake on my part and now I will forever pay the price for it. Say what you will, flame away, I don't care. I have accepted it and I take full responsibility. I made a choice (not knowing any better) and I will live with the consequences for the rest of my life. I thought I would post this so that 1.) no one else ever makes this mistake and 2.) To show that you don't have to be riding for a bike to get you hurt".
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Mikerider on November 11, 2014, 01:37:59 pm
Eina bliksim..... :o I did the same on my 1st bike when I was 15. Fortunately a 50cc and it stalled with only my thumb between the chain and rear sprocket. It is 35 years later and the thumb still looks nasty... :-\
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: H2O on November 11, 2014, 05:21:19 pm
Castrol Chain Wax. Dirt cheap at Makro and no mess at all.

R89 for 400ml can Castrol Chain Wax at Makro Montague Gardens, Cape Town  :eek7:  I was expecting half the price, what say others?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: H2O on November 11, 2014, 05:35:03 pm
 :sip: en post, sien toe daai ou se hand :puke: en kry sommer ghost pains in my vingers vir sy part...
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: H2O on November 11, 2014, 05:37:49 pm
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas

Die spanjaard maak baie ghries built-up ongelukkig maar is `n goeie prys!

+1, I binned the half can I had left...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: RyC on November 11, 2014, 05:38:09 pm
Castrol Chain Wax. Dirt cheap at Makro and no mess at all.

R89 for 400ml can Castrol Chain Wax at Makro Montague Gardens, Cape Town  :eek7:  I was expecting half the price, what say others?
Good price.....
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 11, 2014, 06:37:50 pm
Look at the chain and think carefully about it's workings.

Lecap, not to start an argument, because you are partly right, about the chain needing lube between the rollers and the bush, but I must strongly disagree with you on the part where you reckon there is very little wear between the sprocket teeth and the roller.
The area between the sprocket teeth and the roller is important to lubricate, what do you think wears your sprocket teeth other than wear between the teeth and roller?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: tgg on November 11, 2014, 09:37:02 pm
Valvoline synthetic chain lube, its cheap (R65 a can) just spray the dust and grime off with a hose pipe after the ride or at  the next wash.

I sell alot of it .

A nice white lube that does not mess or fling
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: jagter on November 12, 2014, 12:14:41 pm
I use 90W gear oil.  I leave a small medicine bottle full of 90W oil and a tiny paint brush in my bike's 'cubbyhole'.

whenever the chain looks dry, it's a few brush strokes. And done.

The oil doesn't last as long as wax, but it also doesn't accumulate too much crap.  So the chain stays reasonably clean without any fuss.

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: jj le roux on November 12, 2014, 02:10:47 pm
ToolintheCan :deal: ;)
+1  :thumleft:

I've been using tool-in-a-can and/or WD40 for about 50 000km and my chains last very well (37000km on first chain and sprockets, 24000km on current set - still going strong).

It's clean, easy, convenient and cheap. I tilt the bike, put a stick under the swingarm and spin the rear wheel while spraying around the front sprocket cover.

Second this!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: lecap on November 13, 2014, 07:50:23 am
Look at the chain and think carefully about it's workings.

Lecap, not to start an argument, because you are partly right, about the chain needing lube between the rollers and the bush, but I must strongly disagree with you on the part where you reckon there is very little wear between the sprocket teeth and the roller.
The area between the sprocket teeth and the roller is important to lubricate, what do you think wears your sprocket teeth other than wear between the teeth and roller?


Only if the roller does not turn freely (as in if there is no proper lubrication) you will have wear between the outside of the roller and the sprocket teeth. Obviously and fortunately we are not living in an ideal world free of friction. This means your roller chain rollers and sprockets will wear.

Dirt caught between roller and sprocket teeth will obviously also cause wear. Although the success story of Mr. Reynold's patent has pretty much proven that wear between the rollers and sprockets is much lower as long as the rollers are lubricated and turning.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Piet on November 13, 2014, 08:21:12 am
Look at the chain and think carefully about it's workings.

Lecap, not to start an argument, because you are partly right, about the chain needing lube between the rollers and the bush, but I must strongly disagree with you on the part where you reckon there is very little wear between the sprocket teeth and the roller.
The area between the sprocket teeth and the roller is important to lubricate, what do you think wears your sprocket teeth other than wear between the teeth and roller?


Only if the roller does not turn freely (as in if there is no proper lubrication) you will have wear between the outside of the roller and the sprocket teeth. Obviously and fortunately we are not living in an ideal world free of friction. This means your roller chain rollers and sprockets will wear.

Dirt caught between roller and sprocket teeth will obviously also cause wear. Although the success story of Mr. Reynold's patent has pretty much proven that wear between the rollers and sprockets is much lower as long as the rollers are lubricated and turning.

 :deal: Come now Dan, you KNOW Lecap has only been wrong once. And that was the time he THOUGHT he was mistaken, but then realised he was not...  ;D
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Roxtar on November 13, 2014, 08:31:38 am
When it comes to lube stuff I never skimp as the benefits outweigh the cost of earlier replacements/overhauls by far..... For chains I can highly recommend Belray "anti-fling" lube, just clean the chain with same Belray chain cleaner and then run the chain for a short distance to dry and heat it and then apply the lube. Apparently the heat in the cahin helps to draw the lube into the orifices, or so the tin says lol......... Let the bike stand overnight if you can to let the lube dry properly and I promise it never flings off or dirties anything and dries to a nice white wax on the chain!

Riding dirt just means you HAVE to take more care of the chain and lube more often, I just make it part of the regular washing/cleaning process so really no hassle at all. I also believe the chain is a good indicator of the general level of maintenance on a motorcyle so is one of the 1st things I always check when considering any pre-owned bike to buy, and bid accordingly.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Mudster on November 13, 2014, 08:53:45 am
It makes sense that any metal on metal will have wear due to the friction, so lubrication will reduce wear so long as it does not hold dirt and grit which is the same as putting some sandpaper in there.

I have used Go Chain Wax for six years and nothing beats it. No fling and as its not oil based does not form grinding paste. Not always easy to find from bike shops but Bearing Man stores all have it and is reasonably priced.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Shaky on November 13, 2014, 10:18:35 am
It makes sense that any metal on metal will have wear due to the friction, so lubrication will reduce wear so long as it does not hold dirt and grit which is the same as putting some sandpaper in there.

I have used Go Chain Wax for six years and nothing beats it. No fling and as its not oil based does not form grinding paste. Not always easy to find from bike shops but Bearing Man stores all have it and is reasonably priced.

I will vouch for Go Chain Wax !!! is also easy and not messy when cleaning your chain after heavy riding. I also use it in my mountain bike chain, and although it is thicker than normal wax base bicycle lube, it last forever and does not clock the gears with muck. from mountain biking I have come to learn the value and effect of keeping a well maintained chain.

I have found it is even more important on a motor bike. 
     
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Pistonpete on November 15, 2014, 08:31:35 am
So no matter what your chain needs some lube....choices are standard anti-fling (duh), chain wax (yet to see 'wax' in recipe) and Teflon Dry lube...which seems to be trending...
Take your pick & be happy  :lol8:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Bensien on November 15, 2014, 08:43:56 am
I use a high quality chain wax,  but in an emergency I will use whatever suitable lubricant I can find, rather than nothing at all. I also use a specialized chain cleaner. If I don’t get 40 000km on a chain and set of sprockets, I feel cheated.
Title: Re:
Post by: Arno Roux on November 15, 2014, 09:25:08 am
Ek gebruik Wurth se dry chain lube. Baie baie goeie resultate en ketting is nooit vuil en vol stof soos met lube of wax nie
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Sputnik080 on February 27, 2015, 03:00:14 pm
Look at the chain and think carefully about it's workings.

Lecap, not to start an argument, because you are partly right, about the chain needing lube between the rollers and the bush, but I must strongly disagree with you on the part where you reckon there is very little wear between the sprocket teeth and the roller.
The area between the sprocket teeth and the roller is important to lubricate, what do you think wears your sprocket teeth other than wear between the teeth and roller?


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Only if the roller does not turn freely (as in if there is no proper lubrication) you will have wear between the outside of the roller and the sprocket teeth. Obviously and fortunately we are not living in an ideal world free of friction. This means your roller chain rollers and sprockets will wear.

Dirt caught between roller and sprocket teeth will obviously also cause wear. Although the success story of Mr. Reynold's patent has pretty much proven that wear between the rollers and sprockets is much lower as long as the rollers are lubricated and turning.

 :deal: Come now Dan, you KNOW Lecap has only been wrong once. And that was the time he THOUGHT he was mistaken, but then realised he was not...  ;D
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Jacobsroodt on August 07, 2019, 08:08:16 pm
Very interesting: in my KTM300 XC-W manual, lubricating the chain when riding in sand is discouraged.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: WildWood on August 07, 2019, 09:58:53 pm

This is another angle worth looking at.
https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: WildWood on August 07, 2019, 10:13:39 pm
Not sure if its still the case but Honda used to recommend gear oil for all their motorcycle chains.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 07:35:21 am
There was a huge discussion on this recently on facebook. My conclusion was: meticulous painful chain maintenance will get you close to 30k km from a chain. Sloppy maintenance will get you 25k km and no maintenance will get you 20k km. Obviously results vary (bike power, terrain you ride, cheap vs expensive chain etc)

I will be happy with 25k km, not worth putting in all that effort.
Basically when the chain gets noisy or "slappy", it needs lube.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Ganjora on August 08, 2019, 08:31:53 am
similar experience with chains.
the extended length of life cycle doesn't justify the time, effort or cost involved in meticulously looking after a chain.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Edgar on August 08, 2019, 09:31:10 am
I have Liqui Moly chain lube in a can, and it still splatters everywhere on the bike after I lube the chain. I just stopped doing it.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: jaybiker on August 08, 2019, 12:15:35 pm
People write as though a few splashes of gunk on their wheel rim or swingarm was the end of the world.  :o So long as it doesn't lubricate  your tyre or brake pads, in which case you're using too much, then it's pretty harmless and it cleans off! Who keeps a dual purpose bike so concours anyway?

As for it's lubricant value, on a sealed and pre-lubed chain, it will always be an argumentative issue. In theory it can't lubricate the parts that it  can not reach, which basically leaves the sprockets. Whether it's beneficial there, or whether it just attracts grit and forms a lovely grinding paste is something I've never been able to decide. All I know is that I have a can of the stuff that I got in a prize draw so I use it now and again.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Roadhawg on August 08, 2019, 12:55:04 pm
All I know is that I've been diligently using lube for ages. My bike moans like mad when the chain is dry (squeeking type chain noise) but it also EATS chain sliders. Im on 12k kms and it's 2nd slider is WAY past the wear limit.


Maybe I must just deal with the noise and not lube?   Do you then clean the chain regularly?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 03:04:19 pm
Not sure if its still the case but Honda used to recommend gear oil for all their motorcycle chains.

and on a Honda that automatically leaked from the countershaft oil seal onto the chain. :pot:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Sprocketbek on August 08, 2019, 05:03:32 pm
I see it this way:
A brand new chain and sprockets just rides so lekker!
Why not enjoy this indulgence more often!
Why take measures to delay this pleasure?  :bueller:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: jacojet on August 08, 2019, 05:59:17 pm
&t=3s
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 07:41:53 pm
I see it this way:
A brand new chain and sprockets just rides so lekker!
Why not enjoy this indulgence more often!
Why take measures to delay this pleasure?  :bueller:

Hoor! Hoor! :ricky:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on August 08, 2019, 07:42:49 pm
Have you thought of this?



Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Dustbin Dog on August 09, 2019, 06:52:01 am
Have a look at your method of application.  Could be you are applying to much lubricant, I use Castrol racing wax in the aerosol can and it works great.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on August 09, 2019, 07:17:51 am

This is another angle worth looking at.
https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0

I was sent this some time ago as well and I agree with him.

Wurth’s dry lube was also introduced to me about a year or so ago and been using it since, after every wash, wet ride and whenever necessary.  I however have no idea how long my chain or sprockets last.  I find the pleasure of riding as you want far outweighing the replacement cost.

A bit like tyres I guess.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Runner on August 09, 2019, 02:09:34 pm
BelRay Super Clean
End of story.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Roadhawg on August 09, 2019, 06:58:48 pm
BelRay Super Clean
End of story.

For road only, sure. But dust sticks to it like poop to a blanket.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Straatkat on August 09, 2019, 08:31:14 pm
Not sure if its still the case but Honda used to recommend gear oil for all their motorcycle chains.
and on a Honda that automatically leaked from the countershaft oil seal onto the chain. :pot:

So, just buy a Honda, it has a built in Scott oiler!
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: BuRP on August 11, 2019, 12:53:16 pm
Bel Ray spraycan, like Durex the best there is!
It lubes, does not fling off and the lot does not rust, contrary to white chainwax I've used: never again!


sticks to it like poop to a blanket.

Sounds like you've tried that?  :eek7:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Straatkat on August 11, 2019, 08:26:37 pm
5 pages on chain lube, can someone please revisit what tyres are best or what oil works the best in a bike, I am getting bored.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: eberhard on August 11, 2019, 08:35:16 pm
Lubrication is a very profound topic. A man needs to lube his chain well and often.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 10:57:42 am
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

You do need lubrication between the chain and the sprockets, or the steel on steel will chow each other rapidly.

I preferred chain wax as it doesn't go everywhere and did the job.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: big oil on August 12, 2019, 12:23:57 pm
WD40 works for me, and cleans the chain at the same time. The only drawback is that you get a bit of crap on the rear rim... but it also prevents the spokes from rusting  :lol8: :lol8:

I'd be cautious using WD40 on an o-ring or x-ring chain.  WD is formulated with lubricants and solvents.

The solvent will clean the much needed factory chain grease around the pins, shortening chain life drastically.



Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: m0lt3n on August 12, 2019, 01:15:21 pm
WD40 works for me, and cleans the chain at the same time. The only drawback is that you get a bit of crap on the rear rim... but it also prevents the spokes from rusting  :lol8: :lol8:

I'd be cautious using WD40 on an o-ring or x-ring chain.  WD is formulated with lubricants and solvents.

The solvent will clean the much needed factory chain grease around the pins, shortening chain life drastically.





WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

(reference: Facebook discussions with tons of comments!)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Matewis on August 12, 2019, 01:18:58 pm
Changed the chain and sprockets on the commute again yesterday. Off course its an opportrunity to clean thouroghly around the front  sprocket and chain slides etc. That blerry sticky gemors from the chain lube drives me nuts. It ends up everywhere, on the other bikes, car on the wife's floors the dogs etc etc.  :patch:
Please help with a good chain lube that will not do this. Thus must have good lube, and not fly off onto my work pants, but also not go and build up everywhere with sticky mess.

Liqui Moly - Biodegradeable and breaks down after 21 days. Expensive but worth it
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Cracker on August 12, 2019, 01:19:58 pm
Did any of you watch  this?

https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0

It sounds like you're all saying his research is crap .....................................  ::)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Ganjora on August 12, 2019, 01:23:08 pm
WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

Q20 or WD40?
i think most use wd40 as a synonym for Q20, 
and i think that's also a synonym for spookpiss.
wd is nearly double the price of Q20,  and yget spookpiss for about half of that.
to be honest i have never bought wd40. it's amerikan and over priced for what it is.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Ganjora on August 12, 2019, 01:25:06 pm
Liqui Moly - Biodegradeable and breaks down after 21 days. Expensive but worth it

Ja,  after your GS gets stuck in a river, the frogs will all be happy you used a biodegradable lube on your chain.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Matewis on August 12, 2019, 01:30:49 pm
Liqui Moly - Biodegradeable and breaks down after 21 days. Expensive but worth it

Ja,  after your GS gets stuck in a river, the frogs will all be happy you used a biodegradable lube on your chain.

Hahahahaha had to laugh at this one!! I just changed to an 1150. No more chains.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 01:31:08 pm
WD40 works for me, and cleans the chain at the same time. The only drawback is that you get a bit of crap on the rear rim... but it also prevents the spokes from rusting  :lol8: :lol8:

I'd be cautious using WD40 on an o-ring or x-ring chain.  WD is formulated with lubricants and solvents.

The solvent will clean the much needed factory chain grease around the pins, shortening chain life drastically.





WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

(reference: Facebook discussions with tons of comments!)

WD40 is not actually a lubricant.  It is more a water repellent degreaser and I doubt it would do a chain any good.  Also, with any penetrating type product like WD40, or even Q20, there is a risk of destroying the grease inside the rollers.  I would avoid.  It is not as if a decent chain wax is unaffordably expensive.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Ganjora on August 12, 2019, 01:47:00 pm
It is not as if a decent chain wax is unaffordably expensive.

actually it's free at all petrol stations, 
look in the bin,  you bloody capitalist.

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Fudge on August 12, 2019, 02:01:45 pm

Q20 or WD40?
i think most use wd40 as a synonym for Q20, 
and i think that's also a synonym for spookpiss.
wd is nearly double the price of Q20,  and yget spookpiss for about half of that.
to be honest i have never bought wd40. it's amerikan and over priced for what it is.

Give it a try. WD40 is one of the few things in life for which I am prepared to pay a premium for. (Don't be surprised to find that it is in a different league compared to the Q20's and other pale imitations when used for the same purpose.)

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: m0lt3n on August 12, 2019, 02:06:17 pm
agree^
wD40 is the bee's knees


WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

Q20 or WD40?
i think most use wd40 as a synonym for Q20, 
and i think that's also a synonym for spookpiss.
wd is nearly double the price of Q20,  and yget spookpiss for about half of that.
to be honest i have never bought wd40. it's amerikan and over priced for what it is.

I know people misquote them, but WD40 is the good one for chains, q20 is a penetrating spray which should cause issues.
I also started using WD40 for odd jobs after the name popped up so much and love it (struggled to find some initially)


Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: BuRP on August 12, 2019, 02:39:23 pm
A man needs to lube his chain well and often.

Hear hear, words of wisdom - and very true too!
Don't think you can lube it too often even!  :P
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 12, 2019, 03:06:12 pm
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690

That stuff is the bomb but its not cheap
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 12, 2019, 03:14:01 pm
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I've stopped lubing my chain, and from visual inspection and chain tension requirements it seems like it is actually lasting longer.

I do however ride mostly off-road, and any lube on a chain just turns to grinding paste if it ingests dust. With lube the sprocket surfaces turn shiny and polished from wear, without lube they stay dull.

Ever watch the Dakar? Those riders with bikes at the top of their offroad game with factory teams who know their shit.

I watch them in the biv and they lube their chains after the rider comes in and they are maintaining the bike.

I think most okes will follow the pros and what they do to maintain their bike. The whole idea of grinding paste on chains is so 80's when thick oil was used... with the invention of chain wax and other dry lubes that paste you speak of should never exist.. also , guys forget to lube their chain then lube it right before riding, then they get their chains all gunky because they use the wrong product or they use motor oil then go ride in dust.

makes no sense to not lube a chain correctly.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: BuRP on August 12, 2019, 03:40:37 pm
A man needs to lube his chain well and often.

Hear hear, words of wisdom - and very true too!
Don't think you can lube it too often even!  :P


With all the talk about grinding paste issuing a warning here is in order: Do not dip your freshly lubed chain in beach-sand for you will pick up some abrasives, and believe me you will notice these!  8)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: BikerJan on August 12, 2019, 03:44:56 pm

This is another angle worth looking at.
https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0

I was sent this some time ago as well and I agree with him.

Wurth’s dry lube was also introduced to me about a year or so ago and been using it since, after every wash, wet ride and whenever necessary.  I however have no idea how long my chain or sprockets last.  I find the pleasure of riding as you want far outweighing the replacement cost.

A bit like tyres I guess.

I also use Wurth dry lube, as per our recommendation Kobus, after 17 000 km's my chain and sprocket still look brand new.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: big oil on August 12, 2019, 03:45:46 pm
WD-40 = Water Displacement - Fortieth Attempt

75% of the can is Aliphatic Hydrocarbon Solvents = AHS examples are; hexane, octane, pentane, iso-pentane, mineral spirits, petroleum distillates, petroleum naphtha, cyclohexane, etc.  Imo, these AH's will displace the factory chain grease on an o-ring chain, substantially shortening the life of the chain.  AHS's are used to make gasoline.

22% is Petroleum Base Oil = Dinosaur Oil =  lubricity

2-3% of the can = CO2 = Carbon Dioxide.

LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
1200 mg/m3

Petroleum Base Oil
5 mg/m3 TWA (Inhalable) ACGIH TLV (as Mineral oil) 5 mg/m3 TWA OSHA PEL (as Oil mist, mineral)

Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
1200 mg/m3 TWA

Carbon Dioxide
5000 ppm TWA, 30,000 ppm STEL ACGIH TLV 5000 ppm TWA OSHA PEL


I'm a fan of dry PTFE lubricants for my chains.

USA WD-40 MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) = https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/mup/wd-40-multi-use-product-aerosol-low-voc-sds-us-ghs.pdf

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: m0lt3n on August 12, 2019, 03:50:27 pm
interesting ^

Did you try it though? :)
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Cracker on August 12, 2019, 05:00:10 pm
Dry lube sounds so anal ................
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: eberhard on August 12, 2019, 05:15:06 pm
Then you are doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: johanp on August 29, 2019, 09:59:03 am
&feature=youtu.be

I've been using gearbox oil for a couple of months now, and so far, so good. The only downside is that you can't really take it on a trip with you, so for that, I'll be using spray lube.
I'm pretty much done with wax and the buildup it creates.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Roxtar on August 29, 2019, 02:28:14 pm
I commute daily, best I have used to date is BelRay BlueTac (White) and MOTUL Adventure, does not fling off and dries to a white covering quickly... I usually apply late afternoon and let dry overnight before riding next day  :thumleft:



Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: TrailBlazer on August 29, 2019, 05:02:30 pm
I was clearing a corner of a shed a while back... a corner that was seldom visited, and came across a tin of Duckhams chain lube. The tin was like an old cake tin, about 35cm across and 10cm deep. It had to be heated on a hotplate or gas stove, and the cleaned chain dropped into the liquid gunk.
After a while the chain was pulled out and hung up to drain the excess, after which it was put back on the bike. I used this on my scrambler in the very early '80's.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: big oil on August 29, 2019, 05:20:01 pm
interesting ^

Did you try it though? :)

Yes, it’s cheap here, I used it on non o-ring dirt-bike chains, when I was single digit age.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: ultraflight on September 02, 2019, 10:24:22 am
Lube is for unsealed chains.
All our modern chains have O-Ring or X-Ring or similar seals, that seal in the factory lube, to keep it where lubrication is required. You cannot add any lube inside those seals, so any lube you put on the chain is wasted and totally unnecessary.
So why do bike shops stock chain lube?
Because bikers ask for it! Why would they say no to a lucrative market?
But also because most racing bikes do not use sealed chains and they do need to be lubed frequently, so the dealers stock various chain lubes for that market segment. For adventure bikes, spend your money where its more needed.
If you want to give your chain some TLC, take it off the bike and soak it in diesel. Or brush some diesel onto the chain to clean off the muck... and by the way, diesel is a good lubricant too, just in case you still feel its needed.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: johanp on September 02, 2019, 10:38:03 am
Lube is for unsealed chains.
All our modern chains have O-Ring or X-Ring or similar seals, that seal in the factory lube, to keep it where lubrication is required. You cannot add any lube inside those seals, so any lube you put on the chain is wasted and totally unnecessary.
So why do bike shops stock chain lube?
Because bikers ask for it! Why would they say no to a lucrative market?
But also because most racing bikes do not use sealed chains and they do need to be lubed frequently, so the dealers stock various chain lubes for that market segment. For adventure bikes, spend your money where its more needed.
If you want to give your chain some TLC, take it off the bike and soak it in diesel. Or brush some diesel onto the chain to clean off the muck... and by the way, diesel is a good lubricant too, just in case you still feel its needed.
Do yourself a favour and watch this video:

Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: BLK on September 02, 2019, 10:55:27 am
I wash chain area after ride with water.let dry.Place news paper under front sprocket and behind rear sprocket.Hold newspaper behind back sprocket and spin rear wheel up with motor.Gets rid of excess lube.Works a charm.No excess lube any where.See pics for idea.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 02, 2019, 11:41:22 am
Ain't nobody got time to clean and lube chains.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: johanp on September 02, 2019, 11:52:48 am
Ain't nobody got time to clean and lube chains.
Do you ever have time to do things properly?
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 02, 2019, 01:28:53 pm
Do you ever have time to do things properly?

No, but it seems I do have time to do it twice.
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: eberhard on September 02, 2019, 04:33:30 pm
How to lubricate a chain from a BSA manual:
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: Sabre on September 02, 2019, 09:23:12 pm
I was clearing a corner of a shed a while back... a corner that was seldom visited, and came across a tin of Duckhams chain lube. The tin was like an old cake tin, about 35cm across and 10cm deep. It had to be heated on a hotplate or gas stove, and the cleaned chain dropped into the liquid gunk.
After a while the chain was pulled out and hung up to drain the excess, after which it was put back on the bike. I used this on my scrambler in the very early '80's.
That's what I used in the 70's and 80's.But, when using a new tin for the first time, I would add a tin of Wynns engine additive to the grease. My bikes used normal 5/8 chains, no sealed links. And I traveled 16km dirt daily

I got very good mileage out of those chains
Title: Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 09:55:46 pm
Lube is for unsealed chains.
All our modern chains have O-Ring or X-Ring or similar seals, that seal in the factory lube, to keep it where lubrication is required. You cannot add any lube inside those seals, so any lube you put on the chain is wasted and totally unnecessary.
So why do bike shops stock chain lube?
Because bikers ask for it! Why would they say no to a lucrative market?
But also because most racing bikes do not use sealed chains and they do need to be lubed frequently, so the dealers stock various chain lubes for that market segment. For adventure bikes, spend your money where its more needed.
If you want to give your chain some TLC, take it off the bike and soak it in diesel. Or brush some diesel onto the chain to clean off the muck... and by the way, diesel is a good lubricant too, just in case you still feel its needed.

The O, or X-rings, only seal in lube around the pivot pins of the chain.  Nothing to hold lubricant in between roller and pin, two off on each link.

I use chain lube to assist these rollers, for what it's worth.

I believe that chainlube also helps between the rollers and the sprocket teeth, and does more good than the bit of dirt trapping it does.

Like I have said before, if you get build-up of chainlube, you are using way too much.