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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Battlestar on November 04, 2014, 10:47:58 am

Title: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on November 04, 2014, 10:47:58 am
Following Tweets from Eicma and its alive. Pics and details are sure to follow
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on November 04, 2014, 10:51:58 am
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904285&page=141 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904285&page=141)

Link to adv rider with some cell pics at Eicma.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on November 04, 2014, 10:59:37 am
Does not look too bad in pictures, if it's the real deal ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 04, 2014, 11:06:03 am
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rafiki on November 04, 2014, 11:07:23 am
NICE, I LIKE!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 04, 2014, 11:10:13 am
Lekker man, lekker!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 04, 2014, 11:11:59 am
That looks good.

What is the specs?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on November 04, 2014, 11:13:11 am
That looks good.

What is the specs?
According to MCN on twitter no tech details as yet. Could be a prototype? Pre production?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Lem on November 04, 2014, 11:13:50 am
daai is tieflik lieflik!  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 11:14:21 am
That looks more like it from Honda.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 11:14:25 am
"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Does that look like a 600 - 750cc parallel Twin ?  I can't make it out. The good news is it doesn't look like the NC750X engine.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on November 04, 2014, 11:17:46 am
can't wait to see what it can do. looks very good. Another blow to the DS market..hopefully the other big boys learn, when their sales start dropping
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 11:18:58 am
Looking closely can it be 1000CC?

Quote
From Honda press release:

True Adventure Prototype
The second prototype on display is the True Adventure Prototype. Inspired by both Honda’s fantastic heritage in adventure motorcycling and our recent Dakar programme, the True Adventure Prototype captures the product direction as Honda seeks to expand its presence in the Adventure segment. This prototype has been developed to deliver outstanding off-road capability, and could provide the basis of a true round-the-world motorcycle. It’s flanked by the current Team HRC CRF450 Rally and, paying respect to Honda’s competition legacy, the 1989 Paris-Dakar winning NXR Africa Twin ridden by Gilles Lalay.
No further technical details or information on either the road going RC213V-S Prototype or True Adventure prototype are available at this time.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 04, 2014, 11:34:09 am
From Honda press release:

True Adventure Prototype
The second prototype on display is the True Adventure Prototype. Inspired by both Honda’s fantastic heritage in adventure motorcycling and our recent Dakar programme, the True Adventure Prototype captures the product direction as Honda seeks to expand its presence in the Adventure segment. This prototype has been developed to deliver outstanding off-road capability, and could provide the basis of a true round-the-world motorcycle. It’s flanked by the current Team HRC CRF450 Rally and, paying respect to Honda’s competition legacy, the 1989 Paris-Dakar winning NXR Africa Twin ridden by Gilles Lalay.
No further technical details or information on either the road going RC213V-S Prototype or True Adventure prototype are available at this time.
__________________
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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 11:52:10 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 04, 2014, 11:52:35 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 11:54:04 am
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 11:55:12 am
It doesn't seem to have much of a fuel tank.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 11:55:22 am
I like it that it is a parallel twin..
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 04, 2014, 11:57:31 am
:imaposer:

Beat me by seconds boet! :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ratt on November 04, 2014, 11:57:58 am
Before it goes to production, revise that petrol tank  ;) 30odd litres would be very nice for cross africa trips
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 11:59:57 am
I like it that it is a parallel twin..

Says who it could easiy be a thumper,  a production version of the rallye bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 12:00:27 pm
It might give 40 km/l..  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 12:02:37 pm
I like it that it is a parallel twin..

Says who it could easiy be a thumper,  a production version of the rallye bike.
Well, I can see (or I think I see) two air/fuel inlets and two exhausts. Otherwise if you look at the spacing of the header pipes, it might be one moerse thumper.. :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Avontier on November 04, 2014, 12:03:01 pm
Looks like 200kg plus
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 12:05:53 pm
I like it that it is a parallel twin..

Says who it could easiy be a thumper,  a production version of the rallye bike.
Well, I can see (or I think I see) two air/fuel inlets and two exhausts. Otherwise if you look at the spacing of the header pipes, it might be one moerse thumper.. :drif:

I agree that  it probably is a twin, just being devils advocate.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ratt on November 04, 2014, 12:05:59 pm
It might give 40 km/l..  :peepwall:

1200kms on a tank will work for me  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 04, 2014, 12:06:52 pm
It doesn't seem to have much of a fuel tank.

Might extend below the seat.

I like it that it is a parallel twin..

+1  Looks like it falls in the GS800 bracket.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 12:08:27 pm
I hope it makes about 100bhp and weighs under 170kgs.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 12:11:59 pm
I hope it makes about 100bhp and weighs under 170kgs.
+10,0000000000000000000
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 12:13:33 pm
I hope it makes about 100bhp and weighs under 170kgs.
+10,0000000000000000000

And it's not 10ft tall  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 12:19:07 pm
No gear shift lever and no clutch lever - hope they not going to force the DCT (or DST) thingy down on us.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 12:22:12 pm
And the rumored weight and power is 100 HP (out of 1000 cc parallel twin) and 200 kg fully fueled - which is a lot, but still less than Tenere.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ButtSlider on November 04, 2014, 12:23:10 pm
No gear shift lever and no clutch lever - hope they not going to force the DCT (or DST) thingy down on us.
Well noticed. . . .  :thumleft:  I was just  :drif: over it's looks.  :ricky:
Would be a nice replacement of the Transalp.  :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: OomD on November 04, 2014, 12:24:32 pm
Maybe the tank is under the seat?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Poffmuis on November 04, 2014, 12:26:02 pm
certainly looks like something I will finally be willing to trade my 990 in on.... lets hope for the best
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Poffmuis on November 04, 2014, 12:29:11 pm
I like it that it is a parallel twin..

Says who it could easiy be a thumper,  a production version of the rallye bike.

Especially as they are promoting it with the NXR, it could well be a twinport single..
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TVB on November 04, 2014, 12:34:14 pm
 :sip:

Still got my attention
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: J-dog on November 04, 2014, 12:48:01 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on November 04, 2014, 12:59:54 pm
I hope it makes about 100bhp and weighs under 170kgs.

To me thats the bench mark  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 04, 2014, 01:08:17 pm
 :blob6: :hello2: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:   AT LAST !!!
Looking awesome - and knowing Honda it will be already sorted when released, as they don't use their first buyers as "crash test dummies" like many other brands does....  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 04, 2014, 01:41:28 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ButtSlider on November 04, 2014, 01:44:57 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 04, 2014, 01:49:14 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ButtSlider on November 04, 2014, 01:52:49 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!
Price and spec :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 01:53:40 pm
It's basically a BMW F800GS/KTM990 made by Honda though...which will be perfect.
Hopefully it ways less than the F800GS which is 214kg's fueled and ready to ride. So it will be interesting to see Honda's weight.
I BET that that is a 1000cc P.Twin as the engine looks bigger than the BMW's P.Twin by comparing pics.

Front wheel is 21" with ABS as well. I'm sure it will have some sort of traction control system to compete with BMW.
The tank looks like it takes less fuel unless they are also going to put the tank under the seat :)
I'm thinking it will be around 210 fueled bearing in mind it has a smaller capacity tank.

But I really really like the prototype and I'm happily surprised that Honda did not disappoint.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 04, 2014, 01:56:15 pm
This will be my next bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ButtSlider on November 04, 2014, 02:01:56 pm
Just hope Honda learnt their lesson and this has no resemblance to the Crosstourer.  :sip:

To be honest, I think I've seen one on the road since they came out. . . .er. . . .tar road.  :patch:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: growweblaar on November 04, 2014, 02:07:03 pm
Catering for the worldwide Adventure Biking market, I'm sure it will end up being a 1350cc 250kg pig
 :pot:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bells on November 04, 2014, 02:09:12 pm
This will be my next bike.

Mine too!

Hope they make 2 versions.
1 big heavy one for the ou ballies and another 1 in the 160kg 450-500cc rally class.

Just hope it's classic Honda, think it might kill the sales of the gs800 then
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 02:21:38 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

Not sure about that. A dutch dude on advrider who seems to be well informed said press release March/April (in Moroco) and in shops September 2015.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 02:25:07 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Who knows we will probably only see it in 2016.
Fantastic.... finally BMW F800GS has some competition. Now Yamaha needs to enter and then we can expect the competition to rive prices down and or innovation up!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bells on November 04, 2014, 02:30:42 pm
Ek hoop ook so maar ongelukkig behoort goed net duurder te raak. Met die "hulle charge soveel maar ons bike is beter" mindset.

Eks so fokken excited nou, love n stukkie Honda
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 04, 2014, 02:31:31 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Who knows we will probably only see it in 2016.
Fantastic.... finally BMW F800GS has some competition. Now Yamaha needs to enter and then we can expect the competition to rive prices down and or innovation up!!


That suits me even better.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2014, 02:33:27 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Who knows we will probably only see it in 2016.
Fantastic.... finally BMW F800GS has some competition. Now Yamaha needs to enter and then we can expect the competition to rive prices down and or innovation up!!


That suits me even better.

So we will be able to buy it in SA before Grrrr.... gets his Post Office bike back  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 02:34:00 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Who knows we will probably only see it in 2016.
Fantastic.... finally BMW F800GS has some competition. Now Yamaha needs to enter and then we can expect the competition to rive prices down and or innovation up!!


That suits me even better.

Agreed. I just bought a new bike so... 2 or 3 years later is just about right :)  
I don't know why but but somehow I feel...it's going to be a heavier 1000CC with less range...  I'm hoping for the opposite, like 185kg's fully fueled ready to go. Hell I'll be more than happy with 85-90HP.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bells on November 04, 2014, 02:38:02 pm
Getting delivery on my bike this week too so 2years can't hurt. Also hope its light
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Uberutang on November 04, 2014, 02:38:50 pm
Hopefully by the time my TransAlp is 10 years old I can get her a new play mate for the garage then :)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 04, 2014, 02:41:53 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

"Timescedule:
March/April 2015: official press release in Northern Africa (most likely Morocco), at the dealer in September 2015."

Who knows we will probably only see it in 2016.
Fantastic.... finally BMW F800GS has some competition. Now Yamaha needs to enter and then we can expect the competition to rive prices down and or innovation up!!


That suits me even better.

So we will be able to buy it in SA before Grrrr.... gets his Post Office bike back  :thumleft:

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 02:42:14 pm
How tall do you guys reckon the seat height looks?
Imho it looks at least as tall as the F800 and thats 880mm.



....wonder if that screen will fit on my bike  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 02:56:32 pm
Although... I have to say I wouldn't want an automatic (DCT)......
Look closely :-/
DCT switches and no clutch lever.

(http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-Honda-Africa-Twin-True-Adventure-Prototype-05.jpg)

Bigger pic
http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-Honda-Africa-Twin-True-Adventure-Prototype-05.jpg (http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-Honda-Africa-Twin-True-Adventure-Prototype-05.jpg)




People...she aint gonna be slim...



HONDA AFRICA TWIN 2015 Prototype - first pictures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xUewDN9lgY#ws) video
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Geel Hond on November 04, 2014, 03:20:44 pm
(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg524/sharbron/Shut-up-and-take-my-money_zps0176a2ef.jpg) (http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/sharbron/media/Shut-up-and-take-my-money_zps0176a2ef.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: A/T on November 04, 2014, 03:37:06 pm
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: lpj on November 04, 2014, 03:39:45 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DCR on November 04, 2014, 03:47:11 pm
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.

I'll bet money it won't be a 1 litre twin @ 200kg. One of those have got to give. I'd rather they make it a 750cc 85hp (which is enough if we're honest) and keep the weight down.

Time will tell, but I'm pleasantly surprised by Honda going in what is clearly the right direction.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Hammerhead on November 04, 2014, 04:22:01 pm
LOVE IT!
Finally Honda seems to be going in the right direction!
I for one would also prefer less weight even if it means less cc's and hp.
I seriously doubt you will get any weight savings by going 750cc vs 1000cc though.
Still...
Bravo HONDA!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 04, 2014, 04:25:50 pm
Sorry Chaps, I do not think that this does ANY justice to the original Africa Twin.  :dousing:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 04:32:43 pm
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 04, 2014, 04:39:21 pm
It's basically a BMW F800GS/KTM990 made by Honda though...which will be perfect.
Hopefully it ways less than the F800GS which is 214kg's fueled and ready to ride. So it will be interesting to see Honda's weight.
I BET that that is a 1000cc P.Twin as the engine looks bigger than the BMW's P.Twin by comparing pics.

Front wheel is 21" with ABS as well. I'm sure it will have some sort of traction control system to compete with BMW.
The tank looks like it takes less fuel unless they are also going to put the tank under the seat :)
I'm thinking it will be around 210 fueled bearing in mind it has a smaller capacity tank.

But I really really like the prototype and I'm happily surprised that Honda did not disappoint.


If you look closely at the photographs you will see the air intake under the seat, so definitely no fuel tank there.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RedWolf on November 04, 2014, 04:41:40 pm
It's basically a BMW F800GS/KTM990 made by Honda though...which will be perfect.
Hopefully it ways less than the F800GS which is 214kg's fueled and ready to ride. So it will be interesting to see Honda's weight.
I BET that that is a 1000cc P.Twin as the engine looks bigger than the BMW's P.Twin by comparing pics.

Front wheel is 21" with ABS as well. I'm sure it will have some sort of traction control system to compete with BMW.
The tank looks like it takes less fuel unless they are also going to put the tank under the seat :)
I'm thinking it will be around 210 fueled bearing in mind it has a smaller capacity tank.

But I really really like the prototype and I'm happily surprised that Honda did not disappoint.


If you look closely at the photographs you will see the air intake under the seat, so definitely no fuel tank there.
Well, it might have a 20 liter tank with a 22km/l fuel consumption which will push you over 400km.. That in my mind is enough.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on November 04, 2014, 04:44:20 pm
Will the production models also come standard with spray-on mud?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ButtSlider on November 04, 2014, 04:50:12 pm
Will the production models also come standard with spray-on mud?
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Spastic Spy on November 04, 2014, 04:52:05 pm
Finally!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on November 04, 2014, 05:05:48 pm
And the rumored weight and power is 100 HP (out of 1000 cc parallel twin) and 200 kg fully fueled - which is a lot, but still less than Tenere.

that would be awesome. 200kg fully fueled is not heavy compared to most
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Herklaas on November 04, 2014, 05:30:25 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

Not sure about that. A dutch dude on advrider who seems to be well informed said press release March/April (in Moroco) and in shops September 2015.

 :sip: And 3-4 months from now is............ :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 04, 2014, 05:32:09 pm
It's basically a BMW F800GS/KTM990 made by Honda though...which will be perfect.
Hopefully it ways less than the F800GS which is 214kg's fueled and ready to ride. So it will be interesting to see Honda's weight.
I BET that that is a 1000cc P.Twin as the engine looks bigger than the BMW's P.Twin by comparing pics.

Front wheel is 21" with ABS as well. I'm sure it will have some sort of traction control system to compete with BMW.
The tank looks like it takes less fuel unless they are also going to put the tank under the seat :)
I'm thinking it will be around 210 fueled bearing in mind it has a smaller capacity tank.

But I really really like the prototype and I'm happily surprised that Honda did not disappoint.


If you look closely at the photographs you will see the air intake under the seat, so definitely no fuel tank there.

Agreed. I meant more if this aint final but imho it wont happen.

Here is my thoughts of what I think they are going to reveal.

900cc - 1000cc making about 90 ish hp with really nice torque figures...looking at that engine it looks quite a bit bigger than the F800's 800cc P.Twin... a Parallel Twin is quite compact and that looks quite a bit bigger unless they couldn't design it smaller...which I doubt.
15 litre tank - 220kg's fully fueled ready to go in the DCT / ABS version. I think they will probably have 2 versions a DCT and a Manual..
Imho thats what we are going to get here. I can't see it being lighter than the Vstrom DL1000 and that has an aliminium frame 19" front. That sits at 207kg's  Dry so add about 3kg's for oils and +- 18kg's for fuel and you are sitting at +- 228kg's ready to go.
Ok a P.Twin is lighter than a Vtwin but still. I would be suprised if they can get it near the F800   Dry weight of 185kg 191kg.

But here is hoping.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Herklaas on November 04, 2014, 05:43:33 pm
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.


 :sip: Jeezzz Xpat, you're going to be taken out, you can't say things like that about the AT, it's a cult bike, religion, you know. I'm also not allowed to say that the bike (GS 1200) that I rode to have a tire fitted as a favour for a friend is the WORST bike I have had the honour to ride.
In absolutely every way. I'll rather not elaborate on that.
I had a Transalp before, bit under powered, but reliable, heavy on fuel. :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 04, 2014, 06:27:46 pm
Aha!!


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 06:31:26 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

Not sure about that. A dutch dude on advrider who seems to be well informed said press release March/April (in Moroco) and in shops September 2015.

 :sip: And 3-4 months from now is............ :3some:

Depends on the definition of 'arriving'. If the info I posted is correct, I would expect it to be available in SA late next year or beginning of 2016.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TVB on November 04, 2014, 06:36:46 pm
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.


 :sip: Jeezzz Xpat, you're going to be taken out, you can't say things like that about the AT, it's a cult bike, religion, you know. I'm also not allowed to say that the bike (GS 1200) that I rode to have a tire fitted as a favour for a friend is the WORST bike I have had the honour to ride.
In absolutely every way. I'll rather not elaborate on that.
I had a Transalp before, bit under powered, but reliable, heavy on fuel. :3some:

I agree that the old AT was more name than bike, and that the 650 TA was actually a more capable bike. What made the AT so popular is reliability for the time, being one of the first real purposely build DS bikes with reliability that matched. The old AT is more name than bike but great for the time. We are going forward now, bikes are also evolving slowly into what the markets wants and let me be the asshole to say this on this thread again: 'SA is not the market, we get what the European and USA markets want'. If we were to design a DS bike to the liking's of SA DS Bikers it would have been 170kg fueled, 100hp and bla bla bla.....but we are not major role players because we are a very small market down here.....we get what they offer us and then we spent a shitload in aftermarket parts like progressive springs etc to get it to perform the way we would like it to do
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 04, 2014, 06:43:14 pm
Really like this but I hope they tidy up the rightside of the motor. There is a lot of stuff sticking out that can end a trip with a slow speed fall.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rider39 on November 04, 2014, 06:52:17 pm
 :ricky: :laughing4: :blob9: :clock: :hello2: :headbang: :santa:

Looking at the pics and listening to all the speculation about the technical specs, accurate or not, this, IMHO is going to be an awesome bike. Whether your're a fan of the winged clan or not! :peepwall:

Only 1 issue I have, what color I should choose!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 04, 2014, 06:53:20 pm
Sorry Chaps, I do not think that this does ANY justice to the original Africa Twin.  :dousing:

Who gives a flying @#$% about the original one?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 06:57:07 pm

I agree that the old AT was more name than bike, and that the 650 TA was actually a more capable bike. What made the AT so popular is reliability for the time, being one of the first real purposely build DS bikes with reliability that matched. The old AT is more name than bike but great for the time. We are going forward now, bikes are also evolving slowly into what the markets wants and let me be the asshole to say this on this thread again: 'SA is not the market, we get what the European and USA markets want'. If we were to design a DS bike to the liking's of SA DS Bikers it would have been 170kg fueled, 100hp and bla bla bla.....but we are not major role players because we are a very small market down here.....we get what they offer us and then we spent a shitload in aftermarket parts like progressive springs etc to get it to perform the way we would like it to do

Well, kind of. This mechanical idiot had the misfortune of trying to figure out how to fix fuel pump on one of the latest produced AT with about 10000 km on clock in 600 km desert stretch between Taftan and Queta in Pakistan (new switch from old Land Cruiser pump was the trick). I know now (didn't know then) that fuel pump and regulator were probably the only weak points, but they were still there till the end of production.

But back to this one: I actually don't believe I'm even looking at Honda let alone being almost excited about it as IMO they didn't produce any interesting bike (except XR650R) in the last 20 years. But if they can keep it very close 200 kg fully fuelled (still lighter than my 'small' Tenere) and with proper suspension (or at least easily upgradeable suspension as in 48mm diameter triple clamps) I will probably get it - the only possible glitch being buying XT700Z if it materialises.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Herklaas on November 04, 2014, 06:57:32 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

Not sure about that. A dutch dude on advrider who seems to be well informed said press release March/April (in Moroco) and in shops September 2015.

 :sip: And 3-4 months from now is............ :3some:

Depends on the definition of 'arriving'. If the info I posted is correct, I would expect it to be available in SA late next year or beginning of 2016.

 :sip: Jep, point taken, but it seems so long to wait, patience!!  :lamer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2014, 07:02:11 pm
My order is in! :3some: :thumleft:
To who. . . . . .the Big Man upstairs.  :imaposer:
Arriving in 3-4 months time!

Not sure about that. A dutch dude on advrider who seems to be well informed said press release March/April (in Moroco) and in shops September 2015.

 :sip: And 3-4 months from now is............ :3some:

Depends on the definition of 'arriving'. If the info I posted is correct, I would expect it to be available in SA late next year or beginning of 2016.

 :sip: Jep, point taken, but it seems so long to wait, patience!!  :lamer:

The older we get the longer the wait seems  :peepwall:
Title: New Africa Twin!
Post by: Brandt on November 04, 2014, 07:42:35 pm
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-africa-twin-revealed/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-honda-africa-twin-revealed
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2014, 07:44:46 pm
Wow, they are launching a new one twice daily now  :thumleft:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162551.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162551.0)

Title: Re:
Post by: Brandt on November 04, 2014, 07:51:29 pm
I Like! Hope it have the Woema of a 990 R
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Lem on November 04, 2014, 07:54:14 pm
Really like this but I hope they tidy up the rightside of the motor. There is a lot of stuff sticking out that can end a trip with a slow speed fall.

sssssshhhhhhhhjjjjjjtttt

someones gonna make you a crash bar to sell...  :deal:
Title: Re:
Post by: Brandt on November 04, 2014, 07:58:09 pm
Ja ja, saw it now....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Flatout on November 04, 2014, 08:09:21 pm
Dis ’n Honda so al wat ek oor worry is die prys. Mens sal moet koop teen die bekenstellings prys as jy kyk wat met die nuutste Honda modelle reeds op die mark gebeur het.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: subie on November 04, 2014, 08:19:05 pm
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.


 :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 04, 2014, 08:44:01 pm
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.


 :thumleft:

Infidels.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on November 04, 2014, 09:04:51 pm
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 04, 2014, 09:31:42 pm
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?

The fact that it took them so long to wake up :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 04, 2014, 09:46:46 pm
Some strange comments and comparisons....  ::)
I believe the only bikes ever produced and comparable to this is/was the 950/990 KTM's - and specifically the S/R and Super Enduro versions!! >:D
All the rest (800cc and above) is "softroaders/posers", and the smaller cc's will obviously not be comparable.... :pot:
I think we overestimate the "power" of our opinion and forum - I mean - many of us shouts high hp and low weight, yet the majority buyers on this forum and in SA generally believes in the "BIG" bikes....  :deal: .. and off course we are just a small little fish in a very big pond!

Let's be honest - nothing seems to say better "I've arrived - I'm THE MAN" than a BMW propellor on the side (KTM also acceptable).....  ::) ::) ...off course with all the accesories and branded clothing and bits..... :spitcoffee: ...and remember to stand especially in town..... :snorting:
Sorry - I for one does not agree with that cult, but that's reality.... :P

So, I don't think the AT will threaten the GS dominance - no matter the specs, but for those enjoying a REAL Adventure bike it will probably be the weapon of choice!!!  :3some:
I also believe Honda has done their homework well - took them almost decades  ::) , and they should sell enough of these bikes to these real adventurers or just normal open-minded souls, to make a good return on their investment!!  O0
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2014, 09:48:30 pm
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?


Well if the specs are at least in the ballpark (big assumption admitedly), this could turn out to be lighter, more reliable KTM 990 with decent mileage. I.e. for me ideal solo long distance off road adventure bike (like in Makgadikgadi, Angola, Van Zyl Pass and such) with great fun factor. As far as I can tell there isn't such a bike - at least for me (no 800GS or XC do not apply as for as I'm concerned) on the market now. As I said the only theoretical bike that could compete (on the lower weight hopefully) is potentially XT700Z. What is not to like?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Brandt on November 04, 2014, 09:57:23 pm
What I like of this bike when I saw it now for the first time is it looks aggressive just like the 990 R. If it have the fun factor of the 990 and the low maintenance cost of a Honda it will be a winner  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on November 05, 2014, 12:19:08 am
How many hardcore adventure riders do you know of who want to wrestle with a 100hp adventure bike far off the beaten track?

Reliability is found on the opposite side of high power output and light weight. This applies to all manufacturers, even Honda.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2014, 05:38:43 am
To be honest I do not care how many people really want/need bike like this (well at least how I hope its going to be) - probably not many, but I want one and to my surprise of all manufacturers Honda may be willing to supply one (after KTM moved on to the metrosexual pastures).

And from those specs the power is the least important for me - I'd be perfectly happy with 80 HP, provided it is within the 200kg weight range, has great suspension (ideally out of box or at least easily upgradable), crashes well and ideally has some character (e.g. and engine that isn't smooth like cream, but rather reminding me of a single like 990 did).

But let's see - this may still turn up to be typical boring Honda.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: subie on November 05, 2014, 06:14:12 am
Anything between 60 - 70 Hp will be fantastic for me. My XT660R at 48hp is already more bike than I can handle on dirt roads.
But yes another 20hp will be nice to have incase I have to travel tar. I hope it is an unstressed motor (normal compression :-).
Just don't like the roadbike type exhaust it has got. If I have the money I would love one  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LeonDude on November 05, 2014, 07:11:55 am
Fuck, you people leave this thread out in the open where innocent people like me and Cave Girl can fall over it.
Right, time to get my saving account going. I will wait until I've seen the real-deal in the Honda shop before making my final decision though.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on November 05, 2014, 08:03:56 am
I would not start holding my breath just yet. According to Honda’s press release it is a prototype, which is another way of saying it is a concept model/design study. When the production model appears it will be a much watered down version, aimed at the mass market.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 08:05:44 am
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?


Wonder why 100hp at 180kg is not achievable? Nothing against your statement. Just wondering why the designers would not be able to come up with something like that? Surely with todays modern tech this should be easily achievable?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 05, 2014, 08:12:42 am
I would not start holding my breath just yet. According to Honda’s press release it is a prototype, which is another way of saying it is a concept model/design study. When the production model appears it will be a much watered down version, aimed at the mass market.

Which is exactly why I will hang on to my 950S.

Gone are the days when you could buy such a bike off the floor.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 05, 2014, 08:18:05 am
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?


Wonder why 100hp at 180kg is not achievable? Nothing against your statement. Just wondering why the designers would not be able to come up with something like that? Surely with todays modern tech this should be easily achievable?
The SE was the closest and that was almost 10 years ago!! No other litre class bike off the floor could perform like that and still capable of clearing a double jump/table top on the MX track.......holding my breath for any maufacturer to duplicate this and Im in!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on November 05, 2014, 08:20:04 am
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?


Wonder why 100hp at 180kg is not achievable? Nothing against your statement. Just wondering why the designers would not be able to come up with something like that? Surely with todays modern tech this should be easily achievable?
The SE was the closest and that was almost 10 years ago!! No other litre class bike off the floor could perform like that and still capable of clearing a double jump/table top on the MX track.......holding my breath for any maufacturer to duplicate this and Im in!!

Agreed 1 million %


I am glad I am not holding my breath


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 08:22:43 am
I really hope it doesn't - the old AT must be one of the most overestimated bikes in the history. Underpowered, undersprung, overweight boring pig. I'm talking 750 that I had, I've heard 650 was better.


Compare the AT with the bikes of its time. It was a complete contradiction to anything else on the market or what the norm was even though it sailed like a boat and was underpowered for the weight. Make no mistake I am not critising the new AT just saying it is not unlike the gs800 and triumph. At least KTM still comes up with bikes with their own identity.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 08:24:27 am
You guys are dreaming. A 100hp bike with 180kg is a pipe dream or it will be so expensive that they won't sell enough bikes to make a profit.
It will be very close to the figures of the F800GS with probably a few more horses.
What's so exiting about the new Africa Twin?


Wonder why 100hp at 180kg is not achievable? Nothing against your statement. Just wondering why the designers would not be able to come up with something like that? Surely with todays modern tech this should be easily achievable?
The SE was the closest and that was almost 10 years ago!! No other litre class bike off the floor could perform like that and still capable of clearing a double jump/table top on the MX track.......holding my breath for any maufacturer to duplicate this and Im in!!

Agreed 1 million %


I am glad I am not holding my breath




Yip the SE is still the shizz
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bubby on November 05, 2014, 08:34:19 am
EICMA videos of the new Honda Africa Twin..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrfwRa0gnY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrfwRa0gnY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xUewDN9lgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xUewDN9lgY)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 05, 2014, 09:18:20 am
I would not start holding my breath just yet. According to Honda’s press release it is a prototype, which is another way of saying it is a concept model/design study. When the production model appears it will be a much watered down version, aimed at the mass market.

I am going to lose my shit if that is the case. If it turns into another Crosstourer/GS clone I am going to be @#$%ing disappointed....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 05, 2014, 10:21:22 am
I would not start holding my breath just yet. According to Honda’s press release it is a prototype, which is another way of saying it is a concept model/design study. When the production model appears it will be a much watered down version, aimed at the mass market.

I am going to lose my shit if that is the case. If it turns into another Crosstourer/GS clone I am going to be @#$%ing disappointed....

Yeah.. I feel the same

Ive had a Twin.. the XR650R, TA650 and the TA700... waiting for the next great bike to come along.. so far nudda.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cave Girl on November 05, 2014, 11:06:49 am
Well at least you wont' have to spend hours washing it so more time to ride it  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: monkeyboy on November 05, 2014, 11:32:29 am
Whatever Honda does, I hope it is LIGHT, so BMW can stop trying to turn the 800 into its porky big brother, and bring out a proper version as competition: 16litre tank, which gives good range anyway, decent suspension, and bearings and seals, no Traction Control (seriously, that throttle is so linear: all it needed in the first place was better engine braking), and the uprated engine that went into the Nuda, which can easily push out 100 horsies. And less lead in the construction process, wherever they put it. The BMW 800 HP2. The only bike I would ever really need.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2014, 11:39:00 am
Compare the AT with the bikes of its time. It was a complete contradiction to anything else on the market or what the norm was even though it sailed like a boat and was underpowered for the weight. Make no mistake I am not critising the new AT just saying it is not unlike the gs800 and triumph. At least KTM still comes up with bikes with their own identity.

Not sure about the contemporaries either. As far as I can tell the XRV750 AT was a dog compared to : Honda XRV650 AT (lighter, better specs), Yamaha Super Tenere 750, Cagiva Elephant, Suzuki DR BIG (750 and 800 I think), BMW R100GS. Most of these bikes emulated relatively closely the real Dakar bikes - and therefore most of them struggled to sell and went out of production after few years. Honda wised up, build 750 softroader completely unrelated to the Dakar bike, but for marketing purposes still covered it in Dakar clothes - kind of what BMW did later.

Nothing wrong with any of that, except I hope with this new one they will make the same mistake as they did with the original (and KTM with 950/990) and build it with real offroad DNA, which the current 800s IMO do not have - they are road bikes that can go offroad. Kind of like more powerful and better specified Tenere 660 that I ride now. It may go out of production or soften later, but I don't care as I will stock up on few.

That is of course if this isn't just a bubble and the bike (which does not seem to be just design exercise as some alluded, the scratches on the bike and holes for indicators seems to show that this thing was actually ridden - though with that DCT thingy, which I wouldn't want) doesn't turn into another softroader.  ;)

As for SE950 - yes whenever one comes up for sale I have to restrain myself from just buying one, but the truth is it's not a bike for me. I go at least once a year for a solo long distance trip into real sticks unsupported and for that I need reliability (as in the bike does not leave me stranded), very good range (500 km and more in some cases) and strong sub-frame (I have to haul all my stuff on my own). But I'm aware that I'm minority here.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 12:02:14 pm
Xpat, your comments are valid and I fully agree with your statements relating to the AT and the evolution into being a sports tourer rather than a pedigee offroad adventure bike. Also the comment that BMW followed suit at a later stage hence my prior comments regarding the fact that the AT was a contradiction versus the "main" competitors of the.

As for the Tenere, indeed if I could afford a new bike I would lean towards the Tenere but for now I will have to make do with my 640. You are correct in saying that there are reliability issues with certain bikes and I for one would not want to be stuck in the stix with a breakdown.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2014, 12:08:09 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 05, 2014, 12:09:35 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

You just answered your own q! :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 05, 2014, 12:26:22 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

Jip.
That, and the vibrations.

Fit an XR650R engine in that bike and you will have THE BEST one-up dualsport bike ever made.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 12:32:10 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.
My KTM requires a lot of maintenance and the parts are very expensive. Part availability is also sometimes an issue. Make no mistake that the KTM is truely an ultimate adventure bike that is very capable on dirt and in the rough stuff. I would almost say that the 640 Adventure could live up to "Ready to Race" slogan that KTM uses.

The 640 is a bit rough from an engine perspective whereas the Tenere is somewhat more refined.

My anticipations are that the Tenere is probably the nearest equivalent to the old 640. Much like the 640 it already has a good capacity tank, fairing and is capable of carrying luggage. Should you compare that to KTM's current offering, you would have to spend at least another 30k to turn it into a proper long distance adventure bike with good offroad capability.

Make no mistake that should KTM offer a similar package to the old 640 that is slightly more refined from an engine perspective, I would most definitely consider that.

For now the Tenere is the better option. A few minor modifications to the exhaust, fueling and gearing will bring the engine characteristics right in line with where the 640 left it off and probably be more flexible for longer open sections of road.

All off the above bearing in mind that my riding is almost 90% offroad. Only time I hit the tar is to find a conecting road to the next gravel road.

Have to add that I would still prefer a Carburettor as there is so much that goes and can wrong.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 12:35:55 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

You just answered your own q! :biggrin:

rich coming from a Honda EXAAAR owner. :pot:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 12:36:37 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

Jip.
That, and the vibrations.

Fit an XR650R engine in that bike and you will have THE BEST one-up dualsport bike ever made.

Rather a 650 Rotax motor!


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 05, 2014, 12:45:57 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

You just answered your own q! :biggrin:

rich coming from a Honda EXAAAR owner. :pot:
Ive got Hondas,KTM`s and a Yamaha so all bases covered :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EtienneKLR on November 05, 2014, 12:52:22 pm
May I ask why would you go for Tenere (except maybe reliability and less vibration)? For me 640 Adventure is the ultimate shit - only the reliability concerns keep me from one.

You just answered your own q! :biggrin:

rich coming from a Honda EXAAAR owner. :pot:
Ive got Hondas,KTM`s and a Yamaha so all bases covered :biggrin:

Much like Zuma, if the one gives you shit you jump the next :biggrin:

Maybe you should consider getting a 1200 GS. Apparently you only need one baaaik then. :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 05, 2014, 01:01:36 pm
Toooo much weight to load when they break down(although they never do) :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 05, 2014, 01:11:46 pm
Faaark... but that thing's ugly... :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ortos on November 05, 2014, 01:27:39 pm
Dear Santa,

I`ve been a good kid this year..............

Just realised its a good thing taste differs - It hink its "darn good lookin`
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 05, 2014, 01:33:16 pm
Dear Santa,

I`ve been a good kid this year..............

Just realised its a good thing taste differs - It hink its "darn good lookin`
The honda yes.... the stuck pig ...no! :pot: :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 05, 2014, 01:41:51 pm
Faaark... but that thing's ugly... :laughing4: :laughing4:

Talking about the GSA or the new Honda?

If Honda then I suggest a eye test.

Honda does make some of the ugliest bikes on the road today. Even my plaasbike, stock standard, must be one of the most uninspired bikes to look at.

But the new Honda, even with it's "camo don't look at me" paint job and fake mud looks awesome! Much nicer than the 1190 or any of the the "new" Adventure models.

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Ged1Grrrr/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/Ged1Grrrr/media/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg.html)

I haven't liked the look of a bike this much since..... well, my school days lusting after a TZR50.

Now all we need to hope for is that Honda don't go @#$% it up....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Brandt on November 05, 2014, 01:46:09 pm
Faaark... but that thing's ugly... :laughing4: :laughing4:

Talking about the GSA or the new Honda?

If Honda then I suggest a eye test.

Honda does make some of the ugliest bikes on the road today. Even my plaasbike, stock standard, must be one of the most uninspired bikes to look at.

But the new Honda, even with it's "camo don't look at me" paint job and fake mud looks awesome! Much nicer than the 1190 or any of the the "new" Adventure models.

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Ged1Grrrr/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/Ged1Grrrr/media/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg.html)

I haven't liked the look of a bike this much since..... well, my school days lusting after a TZR50.

Now all we need to hope for is that Honda don't go @#$% it up....
:thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 05, 2014, 01:49:06 pm
Yup... the Honda's a thing of beauty!....... the pig in the ditch NOT! :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on November 05, 2014, 01:50:39 pm
And if Honda doesn't @#$% it up it means I will never ever have to deal with KTM CPT ever again.

Only with Honda SA....

Oy vey!

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Ged1Grrrr/Gifs/tumblr_mijp0pLQXj1s5h9x0o1_500_zps3f80701b.gif) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/Ged1Grrrr/media/Gifs/tumblr_mijp0pLQXj1s5h9x0o1_500_zps3f80701b.gif.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: monkeyboy on November 05, 2014, 02:57:28 pm
Faaark... but that thing's ugly... :laughing4: :laughing4:

Talking about the GSA or the new Honda?

If Honda then I suggest a eye test.

Honda does make some of the ugliest bikes on the road today. Even my plaasbike, stock standard, must be one of the most uninspired bikes to look at.

But the new Honda, even with it's "camo don't look at me" paint job and fake mud looks awesome! Much nicer than the 1190 or any of the the "new" Adventure models.

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Ged1Grrrr/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/Ged1Grrrr/media/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg.html)

I haven't liked the look of a bike this much since..... well, my school days lusting after a TZR50.

Now all we need to hope for is that Honda don't go @#$% it up....
Two words: High Fender. This trend of low fenders just looks to me like,um......
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ortos on November 05, 2014, 04:02:05 pm
Faaark... but that thing's ugly... :laughing4: :laughing4:

Talking about the GSA or the new Honda?

If Honda then I suggest a eye test.

Honda does make some of the ugliest bikes on the road today. Even my plaasbike, stock standard, must be one of the most uninspired bikes to look at.

But the new Honda, even with it's "camo don't look at me" paint job and fake mud looks awesome! Much nicer than the 1190 or any of the the "new" Adventure models.

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Ged1Grrrr/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/Ged1Grrrr/media/Bikes/89e65fd6db62790773b3367223344eea_zpsc2662ed0.jpg.html)

I haven't liked the look of a bike this much since..... well, my school days lusting after a TZR50.

Now all we need to hope for is that Honda don't go @#$% it up....

Functionality over Beauty........

There be a saying in my mother tongue - "Die ding is mooi van lelik-geid"

and for the souties translated by Google (who never lies)........"It are better looking than any KTM or Beemer"
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on November 05, 2014, 04:13:26 pm
I can live with the overall shape, but the styling is much to cluttered and busy for my liking. Hopefully the production models will have more attention to detail.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: SuperDavexlv750r on November 05, 2014, 07:38:45 pm
I'll take one thanks,
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 05, 2014, 10:04:14 pm
I would not start holding my breath just yet. According to Honda’s press release it is a prototype, which is another way of saying it is a concept model/design study. When the production model appears it will be a much watered down version, aimed at the mass market.

I am going to lose my shit if that is the case. If it turns into another Crosstourer/GS clone I am going to be @#$%ing disappointed....

Yeah.. I feel the same

Ive had a Twin.. the XR650R, TA650 and the TA700... waiting for the next great bike to come along.. so far nudda.



Fuzzy you've missed an important one.....the XR650L....  :biggrin:  :bueller:

To get back to the so-called "prototype" :

I belief it's the real deal - or Zuma has only one wife and is a honest peace-loving person living in a two bedroom townhouse with two cats and one dog as security...!!!  :snorting: :thumleft:
They did the same when they've launched the Crosstourer, and within a very short time the production model was released - same as the "prototype"except for a very small change on the side panels which extremely few people would have noticed.  8)

Ask yourself - why would any manufacturer go through all the trouble to build a prototype - then hide it behind camo - even the swingarm is camo-ed !!! ::) To top that off you take it for a serious mud-bath incase you've forgotten to camo something....and then you clamp the front wheel to a rock to hide it's real ground-clearance and people sitting on it..... O0
I bet you this is the real thing - (in DCT format here) and genuinely ridden through real mud by a real rider - look at the wear on the rear tyre for example.... :deal:

"The second prototype on display is the True Adventure Prototype. Inspired by both Honda's fantastic heritage in adventure motorcycling and our recent Dakar programme, the True Adventure Prototype captures the product direction as Honda seeks to expand its presence in the Adventure segment. This prototype has been developed to deliver outstanding off-road capability, and could provide the basis of a true round-the-world motorcycle. It's flanked by the current Team HRC CRF450 Rally and, paying respect to Honda's competition legacy, the 1989 Paris-Dakar winning NXR Africa Twin ridden by Gilles Lalay.

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/hondas-new-africa-twin/25844.html#ixzz3IDhRIau4 (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/hondas-new-africa-twin/25844.html#ixzz3IDhRIau4)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on November 05, 2014, 10:20:38 pm
spray-on mud..must get me some of that
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 06, 2014, 05:44:24 am
I think it is the real deal. And looking at the bike's proportions in comparison to the wheels, I'm willing to bet sub 200kg figures dry.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: subie on November 06, 2014, 07:13:27 am
Looking at the pics it does not look if this bike will crash "well".
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2014, 07:33:11 am
Thirty years ago, in 1985, Suzuki launched the 1st generation GSX-R750.
106HP / 77KW
201kgs with all oils and 19litres of fuel aboard.

Have they lost this technology? Not at all, riders/buyers have changed, and far too few are actually wanting a really light bike with lots of power.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2014, 07:35:29 am
Whatever Honda does, I hope it is LIGHT, so BMW can stop trying to turn the 800 into its porky big brother, and bring out a proper version as competition: 16litre tank, which gives good range anyway, decent suspension, and bearings and seals, no Traction Control (seriously, that throttle is so linear: all it needed in the first place was better engine braking), and the uprated engine that went into the Nuda, which can easily push out 100 horsies. And less lead in the construction process, wherever they put it. The BMW 800 HP2. The only bike I would ever really need.

BMW had the R80GS, the original Boxer that were as close to an HP2 as can come. It came without engine balancer too. :pot:

Just don't enter the Amageza........... :eek7:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 06, 2014, 07:54:14 am
How do you feather a clutch on a DCT?

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on November 06, 2014, 08:09:06 am
The twin disc brakess are a bit of a giveaway that it will be a fat heavy piggy.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on November 06, 2014, 08:13:53 am
The twin disc brakess are a bit of a giveaway that it will be a fat heavy piggy.
Most of our bikes are piggies  :biggrin:
Welcome to the piggy forum.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Brandt on November 06, 2014, 08:21:18 am
I can not look enough at this bike  :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on November 06, 2014, 09:48:03 am
let's guess cost...hmmm..R125 000
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 06, 2014, 09:53:42 am
Honda HRC Team posing with the new bike.   :thumleft:

(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10599491_734628129947032_1739154207594785655_n.jpg?oh=aeb8dd8be6f299f39440a72b5c009a1a&oe=54EFC37D)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 06, 2014, 09:54:39 am
let's guess cost...hmmm..R125 000

Not likely.
What does a new 800GS cost?  I would say more in that price bracket.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TVB on November 06, 2014, 09:55:31 am
let's guess cost...hmmm..R125 000

I think closer to R140K and the Dual clutch R10K more. New DL1000 is R136K, BMW GS800 Adventure R140K, XC with the red frame is R125K and will go up next year......

A Lot of skepticism again about the DC model, but is is not us who predict the market. We are getting what the rest of Europe wants, and atleast also fall in the class of 80+% of South Africans who buy a DS bike and never go offroad just like the fearless boepens bakkie manne
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 06, 2014, 09:58:21 am
let's guess cost...hmmm..R125 000

Stock F800GS on special was R119 000 :)
iirc
Non Special R132 000
Adventure  R152 000

I want this bike to be very good, but I see a LOT of disappointment in this thread.

The Honda will be R135 000 - R140 000 minimum.

The Suzuki DL1000 is R135 500. This bike will NOT be cheaper than that.
Imho it's going to be a 90ish HP, 1000cc, DCT shifting, over 220kg's fueled bike Adventure bike that costs north of R135 000.

UNLESS they bring out 2 versions and the other version is NOT what we see in the pics.
In either case, Honda could have done a lot lot worse.






Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TVB on November 06, 2014, 10:05:29 am
let's guess cost...hmmm..R125 000

Stock F800GS on special was R119 000 :)
iirc
Non Special R132 000
Adventure  R152 000

I want this bike to be very good, but I see a LOT of disappointment in this thread.

The Honda will be R135 000 - R140 000 minimum.

The Suzuki DL1000 is R135 500. This bike will NOT be cheaper than that.
Imho it's going to be a 90ish HP, 1000cc, DCT shifting, over 220kg's fueled bike Adventure bike that costs north of R135 000.

UNLESS they bring out 2 versions and the other version is NOT what we see in the pics.
In either case, Honda could have done a lot lot worse.








We are on the same wave length here, agreed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 06, 2014, 10:46:34 am
The more I look at this bike, the more I like it.

I think Honda has a winner here.

I dont excited about new bikes, but I have to confess that I have a stirring in my loins about this one.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 06, 2014, 11:22:35 am
The more I look at this bike, the more I like it.

I think Honda has a winner here.

I dont excited about new bikes, but I have to confess that I have a stirring in my loins about this one.



Well spoken!!!  :sip: :thumleft:
Title: Re:
Post by: Avontier on November 06, 2014, 01:21:39 pm
If they can keep it well below 200kg and give it proper suspension, I'll take one.

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: monkeyboy on November 06, 2014, 01:43:24 pm
The more I look at this bike, the more I like it.

I think Honda has a winner here.

I dont excited about new bikes, but I have to confess that I have a stirring in my loins about this one.


I have a stirring too, although it is not in my loins, per se. Just excited about what it could mean to the market, if consumers had an option of a modern DS bike that isn't a Europig.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vlakhaas on November 07, 2014, 09:35:28 am
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JJBotes on November 07, 2014, 10:08:32 am
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 07, 2014, 10:17:29 am
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Spastic Spy on November 07, 2014, 10:57:44 am
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rider39 on November 07, 2014, 11:01:32 am
 :peepwall: :pot:
I note with interest how quiet some of our more esteemed owners of the GS and Superten brigades are on this post >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Whatsupwes on November 07, 2014, 11:19:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/MVrfwRa0gnY
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 07, 2014, 12:43:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/MVrfwRa0gnY

 :P
I want 1:28 minutes of my life back.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vlakhaas on November 07, 2014, 01:08:53 pm
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: monkeyboy on November 07, 2014, 01:55:14 pm
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...
And some range for touring...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ahlbebuck on November 07, 2014, 02:01:39 pm
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...
And some range for touring...


And actually available to buy new!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 07, 2014, 02:07:46 pm
Just a small tiny bit of patience.... ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TVB on November 07, 2014, 02:09:57 pm
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...
And some range for touring...


And actually available to buy new!

Yes to all above......and always unfortunately a but and in my and many others case: price....and that will probably end up to be the deal breaker for the average 'Jo' like me. I always wonder how much one must earn to be able to sustain the family responsibilities, the wife and family car/bakkie and even own a bike that cost R140K (This should be the entry level African twin price)

I once was lucky and was doing contract work abroad, I got paid in dollars and 'lived in Rand' and bought a new Triumph cash. What a great feeling, but it is not raining 'pap' any more and now I am happy with my 650 TA.

So that is my challange; not all the debates of which bike is the best, but how do one get to affort a bike like this. To all of the okes who can, well done on how you manage and please forgive me once I get you in the parking lot or on a bash and drool all over your bike!  :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 07, 2014, 03:51:24 pm
So the wishlist seems to be nimble handling, awesome suspension, proper off road capability, light weight and 100 horsies?

Sounds suspiciously close to a 950SE

 ;) Only if you forget to add that it must be red.
..... and reliable.... :3some:

And have better fuel consumption than a mid sized family car...
And some range for touring...


And actually available to buy new!

Yes to all above......and always unfortunately a but and in my and many others case: price....and that will probably end up to be the deal breaker for the average 'Jo' like me. I always wonder how much one must earn to be able to sustain the family responsibilities, the wife and family car/bakkie and even own a bike that cost R140K (This should be the entry level African twin price)

I once was lucky and was doing contract work abroad, I got paid in dollars and 'lived in Rand' and bought a new Triumph cash. What a great feeling, but it is not raining 'pap' any more and now I am happy with my 650 TA.

So that is my challange; not all the debates of which bike is the best, but how do one get to affort a bike like this. To all of the okes who can, well done on how you manage and please forgive me once I get you in the parking lot or on a bash and drool all over your bike!   :laughing4:

TVB - you'll have to be quick though, because I will already be  there droooooling....  :-[ :snorting: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rickus on November 07, 2014, 05:39:17 pm
Bliksem manne.....die ding is netjies.....soos hy daar staan sien ek al hoe trek hy plat oor die rooisand.
Op die oog af tick hy vir my meeste bokse.
1. Suspensie
2. Ground Clearence
3. Gewig (die fiets lyk onder 200kg)
4. Krag (as ek moet raai is dit n 900cc..hoop net hy fokkof)
5. Moet goed kan val..(ek sien nie radiators en fans wat teen die kant sit nie....ek val inelkgeval meestal in die sand)

Kan nie wag om hom in lewende lywe te sien nie.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ZK1 on November 07, 2014, 08:25:18 pm
Mmm, mag dalk my volgende fiets wees.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vlakhaas on November 07, 2014, 10:44:11 pm
Bliksem manne.....die ding is netjies.....soos hy daar staan sien ek al hoe trek hy plat oor die rooisand.
Op die oog af tick hy vir my meeste bokse.
1. Suspensie
2. Ground Clearence
3. Gewig (die fiets lyk onder 200kg)
4. Krag (as ek moet raai is dit n 900cc..hoop net hy fokkof)
5. Moet goed kan val..(ek sien nie radiators en fans wat teen die kant sit nie....ek val inelkgeval meestal in die sand)

Kan nie wag om hom in lewende lywe te sien nie.

Is jou SE dan in die mark   :peepwall:

Na 10 jaar hardloop ek nogsteeds uit voorvel uit as ek een sien
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on November 08, 2014, 08:32:02 am
This bike looks great. A couple of points I noticed;

What looks like an oil cooler on the front left.
The bike is kept slim apart from the right side of the engine, not too sure what's going on there.
Windscreen very upright which is great and it appears to be adjustable.
Aluminum frame and swing arm tells me they are aiming at a lightweight bike.

I think this bike is going to be great!! If it stays in this guise, put my name on the virtual list!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Footloose on November 08, 2014, 09:14:17 am
I like it a lot. Will wait for it before I commit to a new bike
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 08, 2014, 09:49:16 am
This bike looks great. A couple of points I noticed;

What looks like an oil cooler on the front left.
The bike is kept slim apart from the right side of the engine, not too sure what's going on there.
Windscreen very upright which is great and it appears to be adjustable.
Aluminum frame and swing arm tells me they are aiming at a lightweight bike.

I think this bike is going to be great!! If it stays in this guise, put my name on the virtual list!

That's all the DCT stuff - the manual version should be slim there too....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grondpaaie on November 08, 2014, 08:34:00 pm
Hierdie Fiets is op my lys!!!


EICMA videos of the new Honda Africa Twin..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrfwRa0gnY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrfwRa0gnY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xUewDN9lgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6xUewDN9lgY)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: uaedesertfox on November 09, 2014, 06:12:21 am
Looks great and I will wait ....  :thumleft: Any more pics available, authentic ones ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KlipKop on November 09, 2014, 01:42:14 pm
I'll have it. Been waiting along time for this. :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: sparro on November 21, 2014, 07:56:16 pm
I've been lusting after a 990 adv for a few months after riding Bushtrotter's but now that this is on the horizon, I'll gladly keep the Alp for another year or so and rather get this bad boy !
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: TVB on December 06, 2014, 05:02:10 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: Road Hog on December 06, 2014, 07:19:45 pm
I've been lusting after a 990 adv for a few months after riding Bushtrotter's but now that this is on the horizon, I'll gladly keep the Alp for another year or so and rather get this bad boy !

I am with you, I think it is going to be an awesome bike. Won't however get rid of my Katoom
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JJBotes on January 06, 2015, 09:54:09 am
I'll have it. Been waiting along time for this. :3some:

Seems we'll be waiting till 2016 . . . . . . .
(open image in new tab, Ctrl & + )
(http://www.roamafrica.co.za/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1800.0;attach=3904;image)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Roxtar on January 06, 2015, 12:50:21 pm
If ya wipe da mud off a bitsi you will see my name on it............... :thumleft:  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on January 06, 2015, 01:28:29 pm
Oh the temptation.

I've never bought a new bike.
Maybe this is the one I've been waiting for.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on January 06, 2015, 08:38:38 pm
Thanks for posting JJ, that's the most info I've seen on it so far.

Now I really want one!

 8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JJBotes on January 06, 2015, 08:50:28 pm
Thanks for posting JJ, that's the most info I've seen on it so far.

Now I really want one!

 8)

Jip , I really, really , really want one. I hoped that it would be available early 2015.

My problem now is, I'm bike-less , I need to get a bike soon , but I don't want to buy something and 6 months later I have to sell at a loss just to get the honda ????
Don't know what to do , . , . , . ,
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Garfield on January 06, 2015, 08:53:22 pm
Looks fake
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wolf skaap on January 12, 2015, 12:52:37 pm
Lol; MX style seat..
Doesn't help if the "MX style seat" positions you half a meter from the front wheel.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on January 12, 2015, 02:36:38 pm
Lol; MX style seat..
Doesn't help if the "MX style seat" positions you half a meter from the front wheel.


You know this is a DS bike, right?

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Eddy81 on January 12, 2015, 02:57:08 pm
I'll be extremely surprised if this bike can be lighter than a ktm 1190 adventure...  It will just be yet another too heavy road bike styled to look like a Dakar racer.,  yes possibly with some off-road capability but doubt it would beat a KTM 1190 with regards to that. And again the 990 was a much more capable off-roader than the 1190.  My money is on a new ktm 690-701 adventure single... 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on January 12, 2015, 03:52:07 pm
I'll be extremely surprised if this bike can be lighter than a ktm 1190 adventure...  It will just be yet another too heavy road bike styled to look like a Dakar racer.,  yes possibly with some off-road capability but doubt it would beat a KTM 1190 with regards to that. And again the 990 was a much more capable off-roader than the 1190.  My money is on a new ktm 690-701 adventure single... 

Based on looks alone, it wont be heavier than a 990.
The p-twin engine is always lighter than a v-twin due to shared top-ends, less plumbing, less piping, etc.

If they can make it weigh less than a 990, with the same or better handling, it will be a winner.

The holy grail is still a 160kg 700cc twin with luggage capacity sitting on 270mm WP suspension, but I think currently this is still a pipe dream.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wolf skaap on January 12, 2015, 04:35:15 pm
I'll be extremely surprised if this bike can be lighter than a ktm 1190 adventure...  It will just be yet another too heavy road bike styled to look like a Dakar racer.,  yes possibly with some off-road capability but doubt it would beat a KTM 1190 with regards to that. And again the 990 was a much more capable off-roader than the 1190.  My money is on a new ktm 690-701 adventure single...  

Based on looks alone, it wont be heavier than a 990.
The p-twin engine is always lighter than a v-twin due to shared top-ends, less plumbing, less piping, etc.

If they can make it weigh less than a 990, with the same or better handling, it will be a winner.

The holy grail is still a 160kg 700cc twin with luggage capacity sitting on 270mm WP suspension, but I think currently this is still a pipe dream.

Sounds very much like a 690cc with Giant Loop bags (barring the overweight twin motor)?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wolf skaap on January 12, 2015, 04:44:42 pm
Lol; MX style seat..
Doesn't help if the "MX style seat" positions you half a meter from the front wheel.


You know this is a DS bike, right?


DS doesn't have to be a synonym for kak handling.

This is an MX inspired seat:
(http://www.adventure-magazin.de/daten_rallye/KTM/KTM-Rally-450-RR.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on January 12, 2015, 05:15:26 pm
Lol; MX style seat..
Doesn't help if the "MX style seat" positions you half a meter from the front wheel.


You know this is a DS bike, right?


DS doesn't have to be a synonym for kak handling.

This is an MX inspired seat:
(http://www.adventure-magazin.de/daten_rallye/KTM/KTM-Rally-450-RR.jpg)

You are right.
That 450 has a wonderful seat for loading your missus onto and riding for two weeks around the country. They should just have slapped that onto the new AT be done with it.
 :biggrin:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wolf skaap on January 12, 2015, 06:08:28 pm
Klink meer of jy 'n Sport Tourer in gedagte het. Ry jou vrou by die huis en jou bike innie veld, maar moenie die roetines begin mix nie; jy vra vir oorgewig bikes met tos handtering
 ;D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: plonker on January 12, 2015, 06:10:10 pm
Hmmm DC offroad , bit like a Range Rover auto in the dirt. But I see a serious frame as has a strong down member not the modern trelly frame of the Katoom for e.g. so must be made to be very durable. But I think it will still be porky the fat pig. What no shaft.... :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on January 12, 2015, 06:22:37 pm
Klink meer of jy 'n Sport Tourer in gedagte het. Ry jou vrou by die huis en jou bike innie veld, maar moenie die roetines begin mix nie; jy vra vir oorgewig bikes met tos handtering
 ;D

 :imaposer:

Hoe stry ek nou met sulke logika?   :biggrin:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on February 09, 2015, 02:34:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/MRiK2LZ8n38
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on February 09, 2015, 03:55:55 pm


OK got it - great stuff - now come on Honda, stop teasing and release the  bike!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on February 10, 2015, 10:30:43 am


OK got it - great stuff - now come on Honda, stop teasing and release the  bike!!!

Ja......

I am suffering from a major itch that I am battling not to scratch. I really hope we don't have to wait to long to finally see this bike and get some insight into the final product.

Decided I will wait and see how this pans out and really hope they don't @#$% it up.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dorsland on February 10, 2015, 11:52:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/MRiK2LZ8n38

Plaas te koop, lock stock and barrel.  Alle implemente, vee, meubels, verantwoordelikhede, bekommernisse, spanning en skuld ingesluit by koop.  Motorfiets en paspoort nie ingesluit nie.  Dringende verkoop, eienaar gaan TOER!

 :biggrin:

Bliksem, daai video het my nou jeukvoete gegee Grrrr.....  Waarsku my tog volgende keer NFSV
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ortos on February 10, 2015, 01:15:24 pm
...........kaark dag by die werk!

Die video clip het dit sopas 100% better gemaak....... :thumleft:   
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on February 11, 2015, 08:07:43 am
wanneer is die nuwe AT dan nou hier?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on February 11, 2015, 08:21:04 am
wanneer is die nuwe AT dan nou hier?

 Klink vir my dis net heuning om die mond smeer.
 Honda het nie die guts om 'n ware avontuur motorfiets uit te bring nie, ( oa. met 'n 21" voorwiel ) of praat ek bollie?
 . . . maar ek sou graag wou sien dat ons weer Hondas saam op ons roetes  sien.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on February 11, 2015, 02:32:47 pm
wanneer is die nuwe AT dan nou hier?

 Klink vir my dis net heuning om die mond smeer.
 Honda het nie die guts om 'n ware avontuur motorfiets uit te bring nie, ( oa. met 'n 21" voorwiel ) of praat ek bollie?
 . . . maar ek sou graag wou sien dat ons weer Hondas saam op ons roetes  sien.
Ja dis sad as Honda eienaars al C90's moet uikit vir hulle trips  :evil6: Seker beter as daai 700cc NX gedoentes. Maar dis voorwaar true adventure daai.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: jaybiker on February 11, 2015, 03:58:22 pm
It seems that things have changed a lot since the 'heydays'? of Japanese bikes. In the 70's and 80's they just seemed to drop new models on to the market without prior announcement so frequently it was hard to keep track.
What's with this new strategy of announcing the introduction of a new bike, and then keeping an impatient public waiting for ever to see it on the shop floor?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 11, 2015, 04:11:52 pm
What's with this new strategy of announcing the introduction of a new bike, and then keeping an impatient public waiting for ever to see it on the shop floor?
building expectation?
listening to FEEDBACK, then tweaking final design to meet unexpected needs...?
meeting 'unmet need'...
getting potential purchasers to hold off buying, say a BMW or KTM...
getting people who have switched FROM Honda to another brand, to consider switching back...
(and there will be other reasons...)
Cheers
Chris & Team

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on February 12, 2015, 10:20:37 am
Rumplings indicate this bike may only be available 3rd Quater 2016
Title: Re:
Post by: Grondpaaie on February 12, 2015, 11:11:12 am
Not trying to be funny, but where do you guys get this Information?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on February 12, 2015, 11:19:32 am
Google and generally links to other forums where somebody hears something from somebody who has contacts yada yada. Its all speculation and not concrete

I feel with the Hype created about a new AT Honda may have been preassured into releasing this model as they did. I just feel the lack of info and spec on the bikes illustrates a quick release of something to satisfy peoples minds for the interim. My 2c or they are very very good at keeping the development on the low down. The timing on the launch of this bike even varies from local Honda dealers from the end of this year to the middle of next year to not knowing anything at all about its release date.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on February 12, 2015, 11:22:46 am
Rumplings indicate this bike may only be available 3rd Quater 2016

Linky?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Hammerhead on February 12, 2015, 11:40:40 am
The bike is done! Honda is just waiting to release it on the back of a Dakar win.
  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on February 12, 2015, 11:56:05 am
Rumplings indicate this bike may only be available 3rd Quater 2016

Linky?
Will dig again and post link
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on February 12, 2015, 12:02:06 pm
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/has-honda-finally-aced-the-adventure-bike-1579089171 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/has-honda-finally-aced-the-adventure-bike-1579089171)

http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465)

This one below recons Q2 of this year

http://therideadvice.com/new-honda-africa-twin-coming/ (http://therideadvice.com/new-honda-africa-twin-coming/)

MCN recons 2016

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2014/december/honda-teases-new-africa-twin/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2014/december/honda-teases-new-africa-twin/)

There are plenty more out there with possible release dats
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tuareg on February 12, 2015, 12:07:05 pm
The bike is done! Honda is just waiting to release it on the back of a Dakar win.
  :imaposer:

I'm not sure it comes in orange.......      :pot:
Title: Re:
Post by: Grondpaaie on February 12, 2015, 01:58:20 pm
But reading those links are just speculation nothing official from Honda?
Title: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Draadwerk on February 12, 2015, 02:45:08 pm
Mooi clip GRRR. Thanks. 👍
Title: Re:
Post by: Battlestar on February 12, 2015, 03:08:44 pm
But reading those links are just speculation nothing official from Honda?
My point exactly. Its ALL speculation,rumblings,murmers etc nothing concrete. Honda themselves didnt really confess the existance of a new AT either and have kept there cards very close to there chests. I for one really hope it happens soon.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grrrr.... on February 20, 2015, 10:19:20 am
Gawd I hope not.... know this is a artistic impression but still.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on February 20, 2015, 10:31:11 am
Gawd I hope not.... know this is a artistic impression but still.

:eek7:  :puke:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on February 20, 2015, 10:40:38 am
Looks like a pimped VRF1200?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on February 20, 2015, 11:54:58 am
Much of fail in that one.

Dommie/RD06/RD07/TA/Crosstourer mashup makes not for pleasant viewing.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Lem on February 20, 2015, 01:50:39 pm
I've seen too many artistic impressions with late 80's paint jobs & spray-on mud

I don't think it's real, and if it's just another soft road tourer then there is no need for this so-called suspense

just BUILD the bike, Honda !
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: katana on February 20, 2015, 07:51:58 pm
That looks FAT, no not phat.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Garfield on February 20, 2015, 07:53:56 pm
Nee fok as dit so lyk kan hulle die ding hou.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Spastic Spy on February 20, 2015, 08:06:25 pm
It's a fucken tank!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Garfield on February 20, 2015, 08:06:58 pm
It's a fucken ugly tank!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on February 21, 2015, 07:41:54 am
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on February 21, 2015, 08:21:37 am

 O.K., looks the real thing !
 21" front wheel ?
 The after market suppliers will have a field day with crash/spill protection stuff and other accessories.
 But, after all that is/was said, seeing is believing.
 Honda is teasing us.
 . . . it would still be nice to see a packed Honda ridden next to me on African dirt roads.
 Only time will tell.
 If Honda has the guts, put it on the show room floors.
 Then we will see.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on February 21, 2015, 10:34:25 am
The demand for big hardcore adventure bikes is dwindling. Even KTM, who can be considered a niche manufacturer, is moving in the opposite direction. Honda did not become as big as they are by building bikes for a market that doesn’t exist.

This is a typical concept bike/teaser. It is meant to show what the manufacturer could build it they did not have to consider realities like cost of manufacture or actually having to sell the product.  I’m willing to bet money that the production model will be more V-Strom than 990. I hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: growweblaar on February 23, 2015, 02:18:06 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:

When the sprayed the mud on, they forgot that there won't be any on the front part of the seat where the rider would have been sitting...  ::)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ortos on February 23, 2015, 02:23:17 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:

When the sprayed the mud on, they forgot that there won't be any on the front part of the seat where the rider would have been sitting...  ::)

........at least the mud spray job is well, well done!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tuareg on February 23, 2015, 06:11:53 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:

When the sprayed the mud on, they forgot that there won't be any on the front part of the seat where the rider would have been sitting...  ::)

They borrowed a test rider from BMW......
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on February 23, 2015, 06:16:33 pm
 
 3D printed then mud sprayed with aerosol can !
 LOL !
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on March 19, 2015, 12:59:55 pm
Geek Out Honda Just Patented Its New Adventure Bike
Wes Siler 13 March 2015 9:30 AM Share 17Discuss 1Bookmark Are you as excited for the 2016 Honda Africa Twin as we are? Real dirt performance in a light, affordable, reliable package. Now, we can see nearly the entire thing in this new patent filing.

Thanks to an inside source at Honda, we’ve had an inside line on the Africa Twin for a while now. We were the first to reveal its novel outside-the-frame airbox, along with specs like its 1000cc parallel-twin, dual-clutch transmission and 200kg wet weight.

Then, Honda revealed the Africa Twin at last fall’s EICMA show, just lightly disguised with camouflage and mud.

What’s new in this patent image is our first real look under the bodywork, revealing the final arrangement of that airbox, its relation to the fuel tank and frame and even what the final, disappointingly bulky rear mud guard will look like.

The whole idea with the airbox is to free up room for a decent-size fuel tank, allow that to carry its weight as far-forward as possible and to do all that while giving the bike slim, dirt bike-like proportions the rider will be able to easily grip with their legs.

Here, you can see that mounted behind the fairing and outside the frame, complete with its forward-facing air intake and its route to the engine over the frame and under the front of the tank.

Compared to, say, the class defining BMW R 1200 GS Adventure, the Africa Twin promises to be around 60kg lighter, and will feature ergonomics more akin to a real dirt bike than a large tourer. Those allow the rider to shift their weight towards the front or rear during athletic riding. You should be able to rail this thing around a banked turn like a motocross bike.


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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on March 19, 2015, 01:09:13 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:
doesn't look that far off a 800cc tenere. i like the aggressiveness. i will be in the waiting line for this bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on March 19, 2015, 01:26:35 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:

When the sprayed the mud on, they forgot that there won't be any on the front part of the seat where the rider would have been sitting...  ::)

Well noted !!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on March 19, 2015, 01:30:37 pm
Geek Out Honda Just Patented Its New Adventure Bike
Wes Siler 13 March 2015 9:30 AM Share 17Discuss 1Bookmark Are you as excited for the 2016 Honda Africa Twin as we are? Real dirt performance in a light, affordable, reliable package. Now, we can see nearly the entire thing in this new patent filing.

Thanks to an inside source at Honda, we’ve had an inside line on the Africa Twin for a while now. We were the first to reveal its novel outside-the-frame airbox, along with specs like its 1000cc parallel-twin, dual-clutch transmission and 200kg wet weight.

Then, Honda revealed the Africa Twin at last fall’s EICMA show, just lightly disguised with camouflage and mud.

What’s new in this patent image is our first real look under the bodywork, revealing the final arrangement of that airbox, its relation to the fuel tank and frame and even what the final, disappointingly bulky rear mud guard will look like.

The whole idea with the airbox is to free up room for a decent-size fuel tank, allow that to carry its weight as far-forward as possible and to do all that while giving the bike slim, dirt bike-like proportions the rider will be able to easily grip with their legs.

Here, you can see that mounted behind the fairing and outside the frame, complete with its forward-facing air intake and its route to the engine over the frame and under the front of the tank.

Compared to, say, the class defining BMW R 1200 GS Adventure, the Africa Twin promises to be around 60kg lighter, and will feature ergonomics more akin to a real dirt bike than a large tourer. Those allow the rider to shift their weight towards the front or rear during athletic riding. You should be able to rail this thing around a banked turn like a motocross bike.


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Source?
Did they confirm it's a 1000CC now? I know someone who owes my money if it is :)
Title: Re:
Post by: Grondpaaie on March 19, 2015, 01:33:55 pm
Where's the link?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on March 19, 2015, 03:24:32 pm
. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on March 19, 2015, 08:53:27 pm

 Patent No. ?
 Can this be it, DIRT in the court house ? Patented mud ?
So ? Back to basics ? Lets start walking the roads, again ? TOLLs to put dirt onto my branded Tekkies ?
Even "mountain bikes" manufactures will go that route ?
4 X 4's ? etc. ? Just think what a industrial designer will have to, nothing, not to think about , the moon ?
To me, step 2, even to get a breathing license in the GIM, to clean the equipment and the pool . . . N1 eToll, etc on my toilet seat ?
 Nanny state.
 Ek hou by my ou R80 G/S en R80 GS PD, die modder is al lankal daarop deur myself (&  Li ) ! daarop gery.
 
 Die BIG5 ( motorfietse) veg om dieselfde  ougeld in die weste.( kyk na die aanwasgetalle VS. pensioenarise in die EU)
 Plus, die  USofA ouens in die dik pakklere in die aircon kantore in THE BIG APPLE gaan nooit die modder van my fietse af was nie ?
 Dis klaar voor betaal so 15 jare terug.
 
 Honda, ect, my dreams and your business
 
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on March 19, 2015, 11:52:36 pm
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:
doesn't look that far off a 800cc tenere. i like the aggressiveness. i will be in the waiting line for this bike.

+ 1.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Draadtang on March 20, 2015, 08:23:46 am
Relax guys - no need to get all worked-up over a poor photoshop job...  ::)

This is 90% PLUS of the real thing !  :deal:
This is only talk for the next 5 years and then it will be just another crosstourer. :dousing:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: growweblaar on March 23, 2015, 01:46:26 pm
. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/)

"Compared to, say, the class defining BMW R 1200 GS Adventure, the Africa Twin promises to be around 60kg lighter, and will feature ergonomics more akin to a real dirt bike than a large tourer. Those allow the rider to shift their weight towards the front or rear during athletic riding. You should be able to rail this thing around a banked turn like a motocross bike."

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 23, 2015, 01:56:23 pm
It doesn't what comes out .. the complain brigade will be out in full force  :bueller:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on March 23, 2015, 01:59:40 pm
. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/)

"Compared to, say, the class defining BMW R 1200 GS Adventure, the Africa Twin promises to be around 60kg lighter, and will feature ergonomics more akin to a real dirt bike than a large tourer. Those allow the rider to shift their weight towards the front or rear during athletic riding. You should be able to rail this thing around a banked turn like a motocross bike."

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Now they just need to make it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on March 23, 2015, 05:24:50 pm
I believe they've re-named it BULLDOG   :pot: :pot: :snorting: :snorting:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: J-dog on March 24, 2015, 01:48:21 pm
. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/honda-just-patented-its-new-adventure-bike/)

"Compared to, say, the class defining BMW R 1200 GS Adventure, the Africa Twin promises to be around 60kg lighter, and will feature ergonomics more akin to a real dirt bike than a large tourer. Those allow the rider to shift their weight towards the front or rear during athletic riding. You should be able to rail this thing around a banked turn like a motocross bike."

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Single Cylinder on March 24, 2015, 01:53:45 pm
A lighter DS is what is needed
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: arrowfeather on March 24, 2015, 02:39:20 pm
Sub  8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Winston on March 24, 2015, 03:33:08 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: teebag on March 24, 2015, 04:45:19 pm
Well I'm confused  ???

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/bokrug8z0dvh12wdfdgl.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on March 24, 2015, 05:10:17 pm
Well I'm confused  ???

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/bokrug8z0dvh12wdfdgl.jpg)
At best this thing is gonna be between the old Africa Twin and a Triumph Tiger  ::)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JK on March 24, 2015, 07:08:13 pm
Does nobody  here have a contact with HONDA to get us some proper info on when what and how
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: bomskok on March 24, 2015, 07:17:10 pm
Specs aside. That is the coolest and (to me) the most original paint scheme I've ever seen on a bike. 10/10 for that.  :)

(And no I'm not referring to the Sandton mud job)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on March 24, 2015, 10:09:42 pm

 Het dit dalk te doen met Honda se patent vir 'n "meerdoelige avontuur motorfiets" ? of ander name daarvoor ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on March 25, 2015, 05:42:44 am
Does nobody  here have a contact with HONDA to get us some proper info on when what and how
Local Honda dealers know zip. Only consenses is that it should be available 3rd quarter 2016.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 25, 2015, 06:25:18 am
These patent drawings popped up on Motorcycle.com a few weeks ago. They thought the significance was that Honda has a round headlight, retro-style ADV bike in the works. In actuality, the round headlight and all the other stuff you see here, aside from the parallel-twin motor and airbox, is there to obfuscate the real development — an airbox that sits outside the frame. That's denoted by "12" in the patent drawings you see here.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--mzB6gwO1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wpaynmgucmlqcfxn68wq.jpg)

"The significance of the airbox is that the bike should be slim like a motocrosser through the middle," explains our inside source at Honda. He's seen the bike and shared exclusive details with IndefinitelyWild.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 25, 2015, 06:29:06 am
Honda’s Head of New Bike 
Development Shinji Aoyama told MCN:
"We have never called this Africa Twin! This is the True Adventure concept (laughs). For sure we will not launch this year but we can expect this bike next season; next season means 2016."

"As you may imagine from the total sales of the adventure bikes around the world, the volume of our sales in this sector are a little less than our expectations so we have been wondering what to do next. Looking at the overall market situation we decided that we have to go there."

"We see this bike as half and half between off-road and on-road. We will be asking lots of people between now and the production of this bike about what they think we should do."

"To make a street legal bike today is pretty difficult to make it look real off-road and still be able to meet homologation regulations. This causes some big problems as it will not meet homologation and this is something that can be caused just by off-road tyres."

In spite of this, we can still expect the final production version of the bike to be heavily influenced by rally style.

MCN’s source close to the Japanese firm previously told MCN:
"This is an all-new bike and the idea is to bring out a bike that combines the newest technology, link it to the Dakar Rally bike but all the while keeping an eye on what the Africa Twin means for Honda and the history of that bike."[/i]
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on March 25, 2015, 07:09:32 am
So Honda is already making excuses for the fact that except for the styling, it will not be a hardcore adventure bike and they are blaming it on legislation and homologation issues, rather than admitting that posers present a more lucrative market than enthusiasts.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 07:13:22 am
So Honda is already making excuses for the fact that except for the styling, it will not be a hardcore adventure bike and they are blaming it on legislation and homologation issues, rather than admitting that posers present a more lucrative market than enthusiasts.

Very true, unfortunately, and there was a WD "debate" somewhere the other day on how the soft majority is robbing the minority of real bikes.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Richard Smit on March 25, 2015, 07:21:51 am
This is why one can't just buy a true Adventure Tourer straight off the dealer's floor.

I reckon the Yammie 660 Tenere is about as close as it gets, but it remains heavy, and needs to be stripped of all the "health and safety" nonsense first (and have the suspension done).

This is why one has to build-up the ideal bike from a very hard-core base machine.

In this regard... The KTM 690 Enduro remains the best foundation for a seriously hard-core adventure machine.

Anything heavier is too heavy, and anything smaller is simply too small to take the load.

In my opinion (just my opinion), and adventure bike needs to be able to cruise for 400km at 120kph, with 20kg of luggage, still be able to be picked-up easily when its fallen, and put on a VERY good performance on an MX track.  That is the kind of bike one can take anywhere.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 07:32:49 am
RichardSmit, I agree, BUT just listening to all slagging off singles as long distance tourers, it's not going to happen.

I will step on some toes now, but take the 950SE and HP2 as examples. Where do they fit in? Nowhere really, they are still way too big for even semi-serious technical work,
has no wind protection, and carrying substantial camping stuff is difficult.

690 is a light bike, but light is bad where comfort is concerned. Small bumps and wind for instance, has a great influence on these laaities of the D/S world.

To have a bike give a VERY good showing on an MX track, it must have certain features like a seat you can get your weight right forward on, suspension that can take big hits, and
quick steering. This all contribute to a nervous and sort of uncomfortable tourer.

690 works for me, but I can see why most people sell them again at 2965kms.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ganjora on March 25, 2015, 07:37:31 am
...but I can see why most people sell them again at 2965kms.

2619kms
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 25, 2015, 07:44:58 am
It can still work as a twin? Both the KLE500 and Versys 650 are both brilliant little twin motors, just need to get the whole packaging correct around it.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 07:57:07 am
...but I can see why most people sell them again at 2965kms.

2619kms

 :thumleft:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 07:59:54 am
It can still work as a twin? Both the KLE500 and Versys 650 are both brilliant little twin motors, just need to get the whole packaging correct around it.



This is, as far as I am concerned, where the secret to a near-perfect D/S bike lies, a compact and peppy twin of no more than 650cc, in a chassis that is similar to a 690, but
with more thought put into luggage space and fuel.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on March 25, 2015, 08:09:48 am
The 650 PT versys motor is a peach.  Set it up for even more low down and mid range torque and power and will still have a 170 km/ h top.  Less than the current 190.  Easily cruising at 140. Has a big radiator though - needs it too.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gawel on March 25, 2015, 08:12:08 am
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 25, 2015, 08:14:34 am
The 650 PT versys motor is a peach.  Set it up for even more low down and mid range torque and power and will still have a 170 km/ h top.  Less than the current 190.  Easily cruising at 140. Has a big radiator though - needs it too.

I think that if they reworked the internal waterways, the rad wouldn't need to be as big. Brilliant motor that!

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 11:12:16 am
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......


 :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Richard Smit on March 25, 2015, 02:29:33 pm
Quote
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......

Sounds as though KTM, and Honda may just do that for 2016... EDIT.. Just read the 2T part.. I wish!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 25, 2015, 02:31:27 pm
It can still work as a twin? Both the KLE500 and Versys 650 are both brilliant little twin motors, just need to get the whole packaging correct around it.



This is, as far as I am concerned, where the secret to a near-perfect D/S bike lies, a compact and peppy twin of no more than 650cc, in a chassis that is similar to a 690, but
with more thought put into luggage space and fuel.

Also bum comfort.....

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on March 25, 2015, 02:48:14 pm
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......


 :drif:


dan is much too old for a 800cc t-stroke :biggrin: :peepwall:

he is eyeing this red rocket gives you wings bike....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2015, 03:40:48 pm
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......


 :drif:


dan is much too old for a 800cc t-stroke :biggrin: :peepwall:

he is eyeing this red rocket gives you wings bike....

I'll just pull one cylinder's plug cap off, and only put it back on Valentine's day. :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: growweblaar on March 26, 2015, 03:02:57 pm
So Honda is already making excuses for the fact that except for the styling, it will not be a hardcore adventure bike and they are blaming it on legislation and homologation issues, rather than admitting that posers present a more lucrative market than enthusiasts.

Ja-nee.

If you listen to Mr Aoyama, it's obvious that styling is the only consideration for a DS bike:


Honda’s Head of New Bike ?Development Shinji Aoyama told MCN:

"To make a street legal bike today is pretty difficult to make it look real off-road and still be able to meet homologation regulations. This causes some big problems as it will not meet homologation and this is something that can be caused just by off-road tyres."

In spite of this, we can still expect the final production version of the bike to be heavily influenced by rally style.

MCN’s source close to the Japanese firm previously told MCN:
"This is an all-new bike and the idea is to bring out a bike that combines the newest technology, link it to the Dakar Rally bike but all the while keeping an eye on what the Africa Twin means for Honda and the history of that bike."[/i]
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 0012 on March 27, 2015, 07:55:39 am
Somebody give us a modern 800cc two-stroke DS.......

 :eek7:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on May 12, 2015, 10:22:39 am
And here we go

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/may/new-honda-africa-twin-revealed/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/may/new-honda-africa-twin-revealed/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on May 12, 2015, 10:26:28 am
Honda Press release today:

The Africa Twin is back! CRF1000L Africa Twin confirmed for 2015.

Honda is delighted to announce the return of one of motorcycling’s most celebrated and evocative names – the Africa Twin. Having clearly shown the direction of its development and intent with the reveal of the True Adventure prototype at EICMA in November 2014.

Nick Campolucci Head of Honda Motorcycles, Honda (UK) commented “We look forward to seeing the Africa Twin here in the UK, the return of this iconic name is already causing quite a stir and we’re looking forward to the excitement it will bring when it arrives in UK showrooms next year.”

Some motorcycles encapsulate perfectly what an adventure motorcycle is all about. The original XRV650 Africa Twin – which debuted in 1988, after the first 3 out of 4 consecutive wins at the Paris-Dakar* – was one such machine. Its go-anywhere ability, rugged durability, easy-handling agility and all-day comfort made it the perfect partner with which to explore. And it helped to define a motorcycling segment that has now grown into one of the most popular worldwide. The new Africa Twin remains true to all the attributes and abilities of the XRV650 and its successor the XRV750, while adding the benefits of everything Honda has learnt on and off-road over the last decade, including Team HRC’s return to the Dakar in 2013**.

Furthermore, in a first for the category, the Africa Twin will feature the option of a new evolution of Honda’s Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) *** technology, which remains unique to Honda in motorcycling. This latest evolution of DCT has been specifically developed and programmed to provide the off-road ability with which the Africa Twin is synonymous.

The all-new CRF1000L Africa Twin is set to redefine expectations of just what a large-capacity adventure motorcycle can and should be capable of, both on and off-road, and opens an entirely new chapter in Honda’s illustrious history of dual-purpose motorcycles made for true adventure.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BEN TAP on May 12, 2015, 10:48:53 am
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: teebag on May 12, 2015, 11:36:27 am
http://powersports.honda.com/africatwin.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/africatwin.aspx)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEy3x5FVIAAPVgI.jpg:large)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 12, 2015, 12:00:37 pm
Nom nom....

More pics?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 12:07:54 pm
I can't find any pics that are of anything other that the front-top fairing.
So excited it'll be out this year. Must start saving.... I wonder what they'll go for?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Andre E on May 12, 2015, 12:09:18 pm
Don't want to spoil the wet dream here, but it seems to be just another heavy, hi-tech bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 12:13:05 pm
Don't want to spoil the wet dream here, but it seems to be just another heavy, hi-tech bike.

Well yeah, I mean DCT?!?! Madness.
Pretty sure the weight will come in between the 800GSA and 1200GSA which suits me fine.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 12, 2015, 12:17:05 pm
Don't want to spoil the wet dream here, but it seems to be just another heavy, hi-tech bike.

Don't mind high tech but it would be nice if it is not too heavy.
At least the dual clutch transmission seems optional (presume this will add a bit of weight)

Images from the site above.

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/534085/1752x1168/CRF1000LAfricaTwin1.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/534085/1752x1168/CRF1000LAfricaTwin2.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/534085/1752x1168/Dual_Clutch_Transmission.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 12, 2015, 12:29:44 pm
CRF1000F Africa Twin.

Sounds good does it not? ... that will shut the talking heads up that it does not exist.

Can't wait to see it in the flesh!

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 12:32:55 pm
CRF1000L Africa Twin.

Sounds good does it not? ... that will shut the talking heads up that it does not exist.

Can't wait to see it in the flesh!

 :thumleft:

Fixed it for you.
Glad they stuck with the Africa Twin name. Some may call it sacrilegious but to me it just means they have a legend to live up to; they should (and hopefully will) do a proper job of it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 12, 2015, 12:36:39 pm
CRF1000L Africa Twin.

Sounds good does it not? ... that will shut the talking heads up that it does not exist.

Can't wait to see it in the flesh!

 :thumleft:

Fixed it for you.
Glad they stuck with the Africa Twin name. Some may call it sacrilegious but to me it just means they have a legend to live up to; they should (and hopefully will) do a proper job of it.

F or L ... I want one!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Malibu on May 12, 2015, 12:42:23 pm
I really have to test-ride this machine... just hope it is not over-computerised...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 01:11:49 pm
I really have to test-ride this machine... just hope it is not over-computerised...

It will be. The competition question is how much of it you can turn off.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 12, 2015, 01:38:07 pm
Look, it will not be light. 1000cc's and comfort comes with a weight penalty.

It has some very, very stiff competition in the likes of the GS LC, the gaggle of 1000cc-plus KTM's. Triumphs, 800GS, Superten.

Will be interesting.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 12, 2015, 01:44:18 pm
Unfortunately Honda has a reputation for building overweight bikes especially when it comes to their adventure bikes. So let`s hope that they can pull something out of the hat this time!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 12, 2015, 01:46:49 pm
The parallel twin should be lighter than the Vs and boxers.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on May 12, 2015, 01:51:29 pm
 :drif:

My next bike methingks
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ratt on May 12, 2015, 02:03:16 pm
Look, it will not be light. 1000cc's and comfort comes with a weight penalty.

It has some very, very stiff competition in the likes of the GS LC, the gaggle of 1000cc-plus KTM's. Triumphs, 800GS, Superten.

Will be interesting.




If the price is right, you don't have any competition. You can add 20kg to my bike if I can pay R50k less.... using KLR and XRL as examples
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 12, 2015, 02:10:28 pm
Unfortunately Honda has a reputation for building overweight bikes especially when it comes to their adventure bikes.

This is unfortunately true.
On the plus side; their bikes are usually well engineered.

If they can make it weigh no more that 220 kg I'll be surprised. If they can keep it at around 200 kg (what a 990 weighs) I'll do cartwheels.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 12, 2015, 02:36:10 pm
The parallel twin should be lighter than the Vs and boxers.

That was also my thinking. Then if you take the standard clutch option you also save weight.

In my mind it is much like a 800GS increased to 1000cc.
Take the 180kg dry 800gs and add weight for the 1000cc engine (not much) and add honda engineering weight then would also predict (or hope for) around 200-220kg
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 02:44:03 pm
The parallel twin should be lighter than the Vs and boxers.

That was also my thinking. Then if you take the standard clutch option you also save weight.

In my mind it is much like a 800GS increased to 1000cc.
Take the 180kg dry 800gs and add weight for the 1000cc engine (not much) and add honda engineering weight then would also predict (or hope for) around 200-220kg

Man I hope so...considering my XL700 weighs 214kg dry...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 12, 2015, 03:13:55 pm
Unfortunately Honda has a reputation for building overweight bikes especially when it comes to their adventure bikes.

This is unfortunately true.
On the plus side; their bikes are usually well engineered.

If they can make it weigh no more that 220 kg I'll be surprised. If they can keep it at around 200 kg (what a 990 weighs) I'll do cartwheels.

I dont think a 990 weighs 200.
More like 220 dry or something like that. My 950 is kakswaar.  :biggrin:

More important than outright weight is actually how the bike carries that weight.
Here suspension and weight distribution comes into the question.
The old AT was top-heavy due to high-placed engine, high tank and pap suspension.
The boxer beemers feel light due to boxer layout and telelever that eliminates dive.
The 950/990 carries it's fuel low and has wonderful suspension so you can really throw it around despite the weight.

If you want to ride a 200kg bike, then 10% more weight would not deter you from buying.

Of dalk praat ek net kak.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 12, 2015, 03:22:16 pm
Check this video - Sounds pretty damn good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6PaGHTRBM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6PaGHTRBM)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/qnqsy1.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/71qmav.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/25s77mg.jpg)


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 12, 2015, 03:30:58 pm
Unfortunately Honda has a reputation for building overweight bikes especially when it comes to their adventure bikes.

This is unfortunately true.
On the plus side; their bikes are usually well engineered.

If they can make it weigh no more that 220 kg I'll be surprised. If they can keep it at around 200 kg (what a 990 weighs) I'll do cartwheels.

I dont think a 990 weighs 200.
More like 220 dry or something like that. My 950 is kakswaar.  :biggrin:


Yip, Mine came in at 247kg with 2/3 fuel and a friend's R weigh 240kg with full fuel.
Both with crash bars and pannier racks.
Wonder what the dry weight would be.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 12, 2015, 03:33:41 pm
Unfortunately Honda has a reputation for building overweight bikes especially when it comes to their adventure bikes.

This is unfortunately true.
On the plus side; their bikes are usually well engineered.

If they can make it weigh no more that 220 kg I'll be surprised. If they can keep it at around 200 kg (what a 990 weighs) I'll do cartwheels.

I dont think a 990 weighs 200.
More like 220 dry or something like that. My 950 is kakswaar.  :biggrin:


Yip, Mine came in at 247kg with 2/3 fuel and a friend's R weigh 240kg with full fuel.
Both with crash bars and pannier racks.
Wonder what the dry weight would be.

Can't think that the R is lighter than the std adventure.

Anyway, 240kg with 20liter of fuel less racks and crashbars equals +- 215kgs.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 12, 2015, 03:35:10 pm
Can lose some weight here.

(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz286/Twmcdono/image.jpg1_zpspq07fiij.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 03:37:30 pm
Motorcyclespecs.co.za has the 990 Adventure at 209kg and the R at 207kg dry.
Wikipedia agrees.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 12, 2015, 03:41:40 pm
Wonder if the petrol tank is below the seat or on top.
The air intakes are pretty high like the F800GS... which means we may very well see the petrol below the seat for better weight distribution. I hope so cause the tank - if up front - looks pretty small from that photo.
Looking at the press release pic though...it does look like there is a slight lip where a opening might be on the top at the front.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 12, 2015, 03:49:44 pm
In Honda's patent application drawings (which I can't find now) it became apparent that they have moved the air box up and forward; it actually sits half way outside of the frame. The fuel tank then takes the place of where an air box normally goes; low, further back and between the frame spars.

Apparently this allows the rider to sit much further forward which will improve handling on loose surfaces.

Edit - found the article: http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 12, 2015, 03:50:38 pm
In Honda's patent application drawings (which I can't find now) it became apparet that they have moved the air box up and forward; it actually sits half way outside of the frame. The fuel tank then takes the place of where an air box normally goes; low, further back and between the frame spars.

Apparently this allows the rider to sit much further forward which will improve handling on loose surfaces.

Ah nice!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ortos on May 12, 2015, 04:17:52 pm
:drif:

My next bike methingks

+1

.....one of the kids aint going to varsity >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 12, 2015, 04:29:30 pm
:drif:

My next bike methingks

+1

.....one of the kids aint going to varsity >:D

A man has got to do what a man has got to do!! :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: jthuynsma on May 12, 2015, 05:55:29 pm
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin/37463/ (http://www.gizmag.com/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin/37463/)

First official release info
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 12, 2015, 07:34:30 pm
 :drif: :drif: :drif: ^1 000 000

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 12, 2015, 08:16:15 pm
The parallel twin should be lighter than the Vs and boxers.

That was also my thinking. Then if you take the standard clutch option you also save weight.

In my mind it is much like a 800GS increased to 1000cc.
Take the 180kg dry 800gs and add weight for the 1000cc engine (not much) and add honda engineering weight then would also predict (or hope for) around 200-220kg

Ja, had my F800GS on a scale.  217kg.  About 7 litres of fuel.  It had some muggies on the screen, though.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtRebell on May 12, 2015, 08:24:25 pm
They only call it an Africa Twin to sell more of them.
Other than that I cannot fathom why it's called that.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: skydiver on May 12, 2015, 08:32:23 pm
I want one!!!!  :drif:  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on May 12, 2015, 08:45:06 pm
Anyone notice on the engine diagram that the valve train is the old school adjuster screw and nut style and not shims. Interesting!!!

I actually can't think of any modern bike that doesn't use shims?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on May 13, 2015, 10:10:24 am
Anyone notice on the engine diagram that the valve train is the old school adjuster screw and nut style and not shims. Interesting!!!

I actually can't think of any modern bike that doesn't use shims?

Wrong picture in the right context. That pic is from the NC700/750 range and a totally different engine.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on May 13, 2015, 11:07:44 am
Anyone notice on the engine diagram that the valve train is the old school adjuster screw and nut style and not shims. Interesting!!!

I actually can't think of any modern bike that doesn't use shims?

Wrong picture in the right context. That pic is from the NC700/750 range and a totally different engine.

Thx, sorts out some confusion.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ganjora on May 13, 2015, 11:18:58 am
Anyone notice on the engine diagram that the valve train is the old school adjuster screw and nut style and not shims. Interesting!!!

I actually can't think of any modern bike that doesn't use shims?

Suzuki DR650SE
ok,  not really modern,  i suppoe
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on May 13, 2015, 11:27:14 am
Whenever Honda announces the arrival of a new model long before the bike is actually released, it turns out to be a disappointment. The bike we expect is often nothing more than speculation or wishful thinking on the part of journalists. No matter how good the actual product is, it never lives up to the hype. Remember the NR750, CB1100R, VF1000R.

On the other hand, the best Hondas have always been the ones that were unexpectedly sprung on us, like the CB750, RC30, Blackbird and first Fireblade
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on May 13, 2015, 11:58:54 am
They only call it an Africa Twin to sell more of them.
Other than that I cannot fathom why it's called that.

Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 13, 2015, 01:17:32 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on May 13, 2015, 01:23:25 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.

Are there any projections on its weight, because that is where the sacrifice is made. Would be a pity, because one would want to use it as a two-up, loaded tourer that can do some nasty shit. Like I used my AT for.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Oilspill on May 13, 2015, 02:19:24 pm
latest news: http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/bikes/honda/honda-s-iconic-africa-twin-is-back-1.1857734#.VVM79Y6qpBc (http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/bikes/honda/honda-s-iconic-africa-twin-is-back-1.1857734#.VVM79Y6qpBc)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on May 13, 2015, 02:26:58 pm
 :drif: imagine with that inline motor they keep the weight to 180-200 kgs... collective wild dog shit yourself, then sell your kids/wife.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: Jacquedup on May 13, 2015, 02:39:36 pm
Looks the bomb, but I am sure it is probably going to be a R160k bike stock.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on May 13, 2015, 02:51:47 pm
:drif: imagine with that inline motor they keep the weight to 180-200 kgs... collective wild dog shit yourself, then sell your kids/wife.

And like the original AT, a sub-frame rated for 210kg.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 13, 2015, 02:58:27 pm
Looks the bomb, but I am sure it is probably going to be a R160k bike stock.

I would be happy/impressed/instantly poor if they launched this bike at R160k. I'm expecting R200k
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 13, 2015, 02:59:40 pm
I want I want    :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 13, 2015, 03:01:53 pm
I really want one
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 13, 2015, 03:02:43 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.

Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 13, 2015, 03:08:30 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.

Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.


Isjy JAGS?????  800GS my gat man  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 13, 2015, 03:10:57 pm
Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.

Yeah but a 2015 tech F1000GS. I'm in  :thumleft:

:drif: imagine with that inline motor they keep the weight to 180-200 kgs... collective wild dog shit yourself, then sell your kids/wife.

 :spitcoffee: Flip it I laughed at this post. "Collective Wild dog shit yourself" -  :imaposer: So true. If they got this thing under 200kg with switchable ABS, 21" front wheel and good subframe they might as well call it the Honda Wild Dog.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 13, 2015, 03:11:22 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.

Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.


Isjy JAGS?????  800GS my gat man  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:


Just the HP makes the GS800 look like a wimp.  ::)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 13, 2015, 03:13:14 pm
Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.

Yeah but a 2015 tech F1000GS. I'm in  :thumleft:

:drif: imagine with that inline motor they keep the weight to 180-200 kgs... collective wild dog shit yourself, then sell your kids/wife.

 :spitcoffee: Flip it I laughed at this post. "Collective Wild dog shit yourself" -  :imaposer: So true. If they got this thing under 200kg with switchable ABS, 21" front wheel and good subframe they might as well call it the Honda Wild Dog.

You forgot the most important thing. Decent stiff suspension.

Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 13, 2015, 03:17:58 pm
Its what they said... a revival of the name. Its not a revival of the bike... it can never be, unless they take the old AT and modernize it.

Agreed, although I believe they're punting this as a very off-road oriented machine. Note which bikes shared the stage with it at the concept unveiling.

The new bike is beautiful though, but its just another big tourer.

Beautiful yes, but I don't believe this will fit in the same mould as the GSA or SuperTen. That would put it too close to the CrossTourer.

I foresee shorter gearing, smaller tank, longer suspension travel, shorter rake and possibly a girly, lightweight subframe. Basically an enduro bike capable of distance on highways rather than a sport tourer capable of some off-roading.

Yes...  love  it or hate it...another F800GS.


Isjy JAGS?????  800GS my gat man  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Laas toe ek gekyk het.


Well...HP is nog nie reveal nie - een ou se komentaar op n post het gese "hulle se" 150HP... maar in elk geval behalwe dit.
As jy vat wat iamgigglz gese het is dit presies wat die 800GS is.  Hulle het 200CC's bygesit. Dis n parallel twin, met n 21" front, lang suspension travel, nou seat, speke, en is hopenlik vir hulle part +- 200kg.
Gaan seker ABS he wat jy kan aan en af sit, met traction control wat jy kan aan en af sit.
behalwe die 1000 vs 800...as jy nie geweet het ek praat van die Africa Twin nie is dit die specs van die 800gs.  Dis n goeie ding...nie n slegte ding nie ;)
Maar ek het mos gese love it or hate it.Dit maak nuie n verskil nie.   :ricky:  




Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on May 13, 2015, 03:36:05 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 13, 2015, 03:44:28 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

I owe you a beer if you're right. You can hold me to that.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 13, 2015, 03:51:32 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

Honda always gives curb weight. So 200kg's wet will be awesome. (NON DCT i assume) DCT will add an extra 20KG's  - Although...this went from kak idea to - ok they added an anti-stall now,   it's pretty cool...kinda like a Rekluse.

Guess on price?  R170 000?

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 13, 2015, 03:54:25 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

Honda always gives curb weight. So 200kg's wet will be awesome. (NON DCT i assume) DCT will add an extra 20KG's  - Although...this went from kak idea to - ok they added an anti-stall now,   it's pretty cool...kinda like a Rekluse.

Guess on price?  R170 000?




Yep I recon you in the ballpark. i would say around the 155 to 160k mqrk as in intro price
Title: Re: New Africa Twin!
Post by: jthuynsma on May 13, 2015, 03:58:09 pm
I think they will miss the boat if it comes in higher than a BMW 800
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 13, 2015, 03:59:19 pm
I like the vids

https://www.youtube.com/v/M-gXpyjwGgg

https://www.youtube.com/v/MRiK2LZ8n38

https://www.youtube.com/v/odpOps2bKZA

https://www.youtube.com/v/P_Uy2CaH8oA

https://www.youtube.com/v/KZaJiaHOvrY
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 13, 2015, 04:00:58 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

Honda always gives curb weight. So 200kg's wet will be awesome. (NON DCT i assume) DCT will add an extra 20KG's  - Although...this went from kak idea to - ok they added an anti-stall now,   it's pretty cool...kinda like a Rekluse.

Guess on price?  R170 000?




Yep I recon you in the ballpark. i would say around the 155 to 160k mqrk as in intro price

Will do well if that's the case I reckon.
Can someone wake Yamaha?

 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on May 13, 2015, 04:22:07 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

Honda always gives curb weight. So 200kg's wet will be awesome. (NON DCT i assume) DCT will add an extra 20KG's  - Although...this went from kak idea to - ok they added an anti-stall now,   it's pretty cool...kinda like a Rekluse.

Guess on price?  R170 000?



I can't speculate on price at all, I have no idea.

I spoke to Honda Sandton this morning and the sales oke told me they would be available in February next year but I bet if I phone again tomorrow, it will be a different date so I'm not holding my breath. I'd sure like to own me a big ass CRF though...  ;D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 13, 2015, 04:27:13 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

Not all 800's are alike. Look at the Triumph and GS800, direct competitors but the bikes are very different both with advantages in their respective corners.

When the original Africa Twin was born, it was the dakar racer's influence that drove the design and now history is repeating itself, Honda are at it again with the Dakar and I believe this bike will be top of it's game again, potentially unrivalled in a class of it's own. If KTM would build a 750 V-Twin Rallye Replica, I think they too would do very well with it. At heart, everyone wants to be a racer. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday....

Honda always gives curb weight. So 200kg's wet will be awesome. (NON DCT i assume) DCT will add an extra 20KG's  - Although...this went from kak idea to - ok they added an anti-stall now,   it's pretty cool...kinda like a Rekluse.

Guess on price?  R170 000?



I can't speculate on price at all, I have no idea.

I spoke to Honda Sandton this morning and the sales oke told me they would be available in February next year but I bet if I phone again tomorrow, it will be a different date so I'm not holding my breath. I'd sure like to own me a big ass CRF though...  ;D

Same what Honda George told me this morning!!  :ricky: (Jan/Feb)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 13, 2015, 04:28:33 pm
O yes and official production starts Nov '15 ....

AND I WANT ONE !!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 13, 2015, 05:47:38 pm
I like the vids


Ooooh, they are making all the right noises.

Time to get a shotgun and balaclava and go make some money.
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: I&horse on May 13, 2015, 06:37:21 pm
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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 13, 2015, 06:57:21 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

This is not the first time this type of speculation raged on the forum.
When the Super Tenere was on the horizon we heard exactly this same argument.
And then the KTM 1090 also turned out to be fatter and roadier.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on May 13, 2015, 09:25:42 pm
Looking at what Honda are innovating of late, I'd say this bike is going to be awesome and it certainly looks the part. Keep in mind the NCX series is exactly what it was meant to be and arguably the best at it. Honda have depicted some clear intent with this model and I for one think they will live up to it.

Speculation:
Weight: 185kg dry
HP: 115 - 130hp
Decent subframe - welded metal.

This is not the first time this type of speculation raged on the forum.
When the Super Tenere was on the horizon we heard exactly this same argument.
And then the KTM 1090 also turned out to be fatter and roadier.

I think Honda's enemy is going to be unrealistic expectations. This is after all, a 1000cc bike but my gut tells me that it will be the KTM 990 of past but lighter, much more agile and more power. If it meets those criteria, and I am sure it will, it'll be a winner, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on May 13, 2015, 10:07:22 pm
I will wait and see. Hanging on to my XR644L in the meantime and cause a few 3rd gear wheelies in my neighborhood till I have a plan ready to buy the latest greatest ever.
As I mentioned it's gonna be a matter of wait and see. Patience everyone please! the XR644L has not been superseded yet by an imposter to the throne. Wait and see is my motto...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 13, 2015, 10:14:32 pm
90-110hp is my guess. This looks oddly like NCX mechanical's with bumped displacement..
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JJBotes on May 14, 2015, 09:32:04 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 14, 2015, 10:51:52 am
Copied from Wheels24:

"Honda SA has confirmed that one of motorcycling's most celebrated and evocative names - the Africa Twin - is expected back in South African showrooms perhaps in time for Christmas 2015.

Honda SA has confirmed that the all-new CRF1000L Africa Twin will be in dealers across Europe in late 2015"  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on May 14, 2015, 12:11:28 pm
I found this comparative table:
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/)

and some scintillating concept art.......  :drif:

"Popular German motorcycle magazine Motorrad (circulation of 135,000) is reporting in their April cover story that Honda plans to build a new Africa Twin that could revolutionize the Adventure Touring market. This new model isn’t another bloated 1200cc GS wannabe or adventure styled street bike, but a proper Adventure Bike with a real dirt focus."


"Genteki" test footage..... wow, it sounds awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaGK5rZwtE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaGK5rZwtE)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 14, 2015, 12:20:16 pm
I found this comparative table:
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/)

I really hope those numbers are at least kinda accurate.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 14, 2015, 01:57:47 pm
This video doesn't really show much.

That pipe will have to go though. I prefer the Rally style exhaust of the prototype

https://www.youtube.com/v/iJzgJYgMHTM
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 14, 2015, 02:12:55 pm
Jip.
Although impractical from a luggage point of view, those rally pipes looks the shit.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 14, 2015, 02:19:13 pm
Jip.
Although impractical from a luggage point of view, those rally pipes looks the shit.

They also melt numberplates
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JC on May 14, 2015, 02:23:36 pm
Jip.
Although impractical from a luggage point of view, those rally pipes looks the shit.

They also melt numberplates

bonus  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 14, 2015, 03:10:58 pm
Two teaser pics combined
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 14, 2015, 03:47:32 pm
I like the look of this, decent ground clearance it seems!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Avontier on May 14, 2015, 04:09:29 pm
Ek begin nou al 'n nat puntjie kry  :toothy5:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: jthuynsma on May 14, 2015, 04:26:52 pm
Hoop hulle verras ons met die prys dan gaan daar 'n laaaangggg waglys wees.


vir die Ingelse

I hope they surprise us with the price if so there will be a looonnnngggg waiting list
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 14, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
Get in the queue bru!... I'm there like error!...in before you!  :3some: :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 14, 2015, 08:12:20 pm
Don't know where I can find R150k but I would not mind.
Hope I can buy a good second hand model in 2 years time maybe
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: I&horse on May 14, 2015, 08:14:12 pm
I'm a ktm fan but I like the look of this much more than the 1190
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 14, 2015, 08:17:26 pm
Two teaser pics combined

Damn that looks good!!!  :headbang:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 14, 2015, 09:59:02 pm
Pictures sneaked from some patent application. The prototype design got me really interested, this one leaves me a bit underwhelmed with the stepped seat, silly high back end and seating position inside the bike, rather than  on top. I also do not fancy crashing this thing - I have to say Tenere has much better thought out protection with those plastic bumpers on the side.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 14, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
Time will tell, I dont like the Aluminium twin spar type of frame but prefer the KTM and Triumph steel trellis frames.
I see there is a bare that goes down and under the engine (if I am not mistaken)
I hope the engine is not used as a stress member - never a good idea on a big bike that will be jumped and abused by some mad ass riders!
For me it will work - there will be some good and bad points, but I think Honda has done it - again!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on May 14, 2015, 11:11:54 pm
how about this? photoshopped? Styling, though!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10502013_10204400602951224_8957409434080772169_n.jpg?oh=9eef5263b7ab35d4d3392136d69c63f3&oe=55C6AF03)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Operator on May 15, 2015, 12:00:22 am
Two teaser pics combined

Is it just me........ or does that exhaust box/pipe looks a bit like an after-thought?
Just like the original Africa-twin.......
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2015, 12:10:33 am
Two teaser pics combined

Is it just me........ or does that exhaust box/pipe looks a bit like an after-thought?
Just like the original Africa-twin.......

I think it is a 'two into one - Cat/exaust' not as for in 2 cylinder pipe into one (which it obviously is)
I like it that way, because then it will be very easy to remove and fit a slip on.'
Most other bikes you need to 'de cat' under the belly and it is a complicated affair.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: imo on May 15, 2015, 12:37:46 am
very sexy
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on May 15, 2015, 02:50:58 am
I will wait till I see it in the flesh before commenting. Just hope it is not overweight and overpriced.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dual on May 15, 2015, 03:08:32 am
Die uitlaatpyp en silencer konneksie vrek klein, photoshop?
Is hierdie die werklike fiets of 'n voorstelling?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 15, 2015, 07:58:25 am
...pics...

I'm trying to figure out what those numbers are. They're not mm, cm or inches...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 15, 2015, 08:12:07 am
I don't know myself, just stole if from advrider. While I'm as the stealing, here is another, probably irrelevant piece:

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/rlkat/crf_others_zpsr2jklscj.gif) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/rlkat/media/crf_others_zpsr2jklscj.gif.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on May 15, 2015, 08:29:03 am
All we have so far are the concept model, artists’ impressions, “leaked” information, photoshopped images, speculation, some teazers from Honda that don’t divulge any real information, and several different official launch dates. Nobody has seen the actual bike or knows what the real specifications are. I’ll wait for Honda to release the facts before getting excited.

At the moment it is still as real as the Honda EVO6 and the Yamaha 900 Teneré.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on May 15, 2015, 08:46:23 am
All we have so far are the concept model, artists’ impressions, “leaked” information, photoshopped images, speculation, some teazers from Honda that don’t divulge any real information, and several different official launch dates. Nobody has seen the actual bike or knows what the real specifications are. I’ll wait for Honda to release the facts before getting excited.

At the moment it is still as real as the Honda EVO6 and the Yamaha 900 Teneré.

you don't buy the you tube video of the actual bike being ridden?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 15, 2015, 08:47:06 am
Sure, but when you see a chick you fancy do you go - let me first find out whether she can cook, what family she's from, before you get excited? The excitement is - at least for me - the first impulse to find out. Excitement and disappointment are just part of the flow. We are talking bikes which are objects of desire, not need.

And for the record - I'm sure Yamaha marketers are following this thread closely  :imaposer:: its Tenere 07, not 09. Yamaha, please whatever you do, do not put a triple into a bike that is supposed to go offroad! Thank you very much, dear sensei.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 15, 2015, 08:47:41 am
All we have so far are the concept model, artists’ impressions, “leaked” information, photoshopped images, speculation, some teazers from Honda that don’t divulge any real information, and several different official launch dates. Nobody has seen the actual bike or knows what the real specifications are. I’ll wait for Honda to release the facts before getting excited.

The prototype, computer generated model and leaked image is identically the same apart from the seat and the exhaust. We can be pretty sure what the bike will look like but still speculate on the rest.
PS The engine of the prototype looks slightly different to the other two.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162551.0;attach=387151;image)

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162551.0;attach=417122;image)

(http://s4.postimg.org/wd1yaouul/CRF1000_LAfrica_Twin2.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 15, 2015, 09:00:06 am
Pictures sneaked from some patent application. The prototype design got me really interested, this one leaves me a bit underwhelmed with the stepped seat, silly high back end and seating position inside the bike, rather than  on top. I also do not fancy crashing this thing - I have to say Tenere has much better thought out protection with those plastic bumpers on the side.

 ::) I beg to differ ! That to me looks like a very well thought-out design - a real off-road capable bike with high ground clearance combined with a lower "inside" seating position is what most people were begging for for years!  One of the most popular criticisms against the original AT was exactely the flat uncomfortable seat...  :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rider39 on May 15, 2015, 09:03:52 am
 :thumleft: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on May 15, 2015, 09:35:51 am
All we have so far are the concept model, artists’ impressions, “leaked” information, photoshopped images, speculation, some teazers from Honda that don’t divulge any real information, and several different official launch dates. Nobody has seen the actual bike or knows what the real specifications are. I’ll wait for Honda to release the facts before getting excited.

At the moment it is still as real as the Honda EVO6 and the Yamaha 900 Teneré.

you don't buy the you tube video of the actual bike being ridden?

I don't have any doubt that the bike is real. I was the first to report the rumours of its existence
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=151443.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=151443.0)

All I'm saying is that most of what we know about it at this stage is based on speculation.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on May 15, 2015, 10:07:55 am
All we have so far are the concept model, artists’ impressions, “leaked” information, photoshopped images, speculation, some teazers from Honda that don’t divulge any real information, and several different official launch dates. Nobody has seen the actual bike or knows what the real specifications are. I’ll wait for Honda to release the facts before getting excited.

At the moment it is still as real as the Honda EVO6 and the Yamaha 900 Teneré.

you don't buy the you tube video of the actual bike being ridden?

I don't have any doubt that the bike is real. I was the first to report the rumours of its existence
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=151443.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=151443.0)

All I'm saying is that most of what we know about it at this stage is based on speculation.
wish i was on the honda marketing team. sit back and watch it go viral.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Operator on May 15, 2015, 10:09:44 am
Anybody know what kind of price-tag can be expected ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JonW on May 15, 2015, 10:30:37 am
Well I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst on this one.

been disappointed by too many over-weight, hi tech autobahn cruisers in the past

not that I will be effected in any way, as I won't be able to afford it in any event  >:(
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on May 15, 2015, 10:31:14 am
A comparative table:
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/new-honda-crf1000-africa-twin-adventure-bike-for-2015/)

Seems like $13 800 US......

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Avontier on May 15, 2015, 10:48:13 am
This is a serious bike. On the below GIF, you will see that the AT and 990's hubs are at the same position. You can therefore compare dimensions quite closely.

For instance, the seat height and ground clearance on the 990 is higher, but front suspension tube (travel?) seems to be the same. It also appears to be much less obese than the ST though. I think it will probably be in line with the 990 in the end.



(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/rlkat/crf_others_zpsr2jklscj.gif) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/rlkat/media/crf_others_zpsr2jklscj.gif.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Oilspill on May 15, 2015, 11:00:04 am
more news:

Full pictures of bike:
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-leaks-1704644496 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-leaks-1704644496)

Listen to that motor:
http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/here-s-our-first-taste-of-the-honda-africa-twin-s-aural-1704295556 (http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/here-s-our-first-taste-of-the-honda-africa-twin-s-aural-1704295556)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on May 15, 2015, 11:02:28 am
Mind made up.  I'm buying this bike!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 15, 2015, 11:52:42 am
Imagine the bike without the porky exhaust for a minute.

Then imagine a flat seat like a 990 on it.

It will be a winner.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Oilspill on May 15, 2015, 12:02:40 pm
Its what I am looking for...a parallel twin (singles are too slow on the highway), light in weight (those huge GS type ships are just OTT and for people needing to compensate),  decent wind protection,  what looks like serious all round ability ( including sand ability) and what looks like a tough quality product.  Very nice.  Sorry to my Wee but I think you are headed for a trade in.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 15, 2015, 12:23:37 pm
(those huge GS type ships are just OTT and for people needing to compensate), 

that's a little harsh
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 15, 2015, 12:31:54 pm
Pictures sneaked from some patent application. The prototype design got me really interested, this one leaves me a bit underwhelmed with the stepped seat, silly high back end and seating position inside the bike, rather than  on top. I also do not fancy crashing this thing - I have to say Tenere has much better thought out protection with those plastic bumpers on the side.

 ::) I beg to differ ! That to me looks like a very well thought-out design - a real off-road capable bike with high ground clearance combined with a lower "inside" seating position is what most people were begging for for years!  One of the most popular criticisms against the original AT was exactely the flat uncomfortable seat...  :deal: :thumleft:


Well I guess we just differ.

I have Tenere 660 and the single biggest gripe I have with the bike is the stupid stepped seat and idiotically high rear end to accommodate those uncalled for underseat exhausts (to be fair the AT back-end seems a bit lower on those gifs - as much as they can be trusted). The cut out seat is uncomfortable as you are stuck in one position, and the high back-end is downright dangerous for spirited offroad riding and steep downhills as in combination with the very basic shock it has the tendency to kick your ass over the handlebars (and it did kick over some very experienced riders). It also results in the luggage sitting unnecessarily high affecting seriously handling. It pisses me off especially because I can do nothing about it - and I'm ready to modify bikes to my liking.

As for the original AT seat comfort - its subjective of course, but AT was my first bike on which I did 25 000 km trip from Europe to India and back in three months. This included 9000 km in 9 days from Lahore to Prague. And I did just fine. Quite frankly I think people should  toughen up a bit - or there are plenty non-expensive solutions for the odd tar section. I hope for this bike to be a 950/990 with Honda reliability without Honda blandness (and if we are really lucky noticeably lighter)  - i.e. a bike for long distance spirited dirt riding (cutlines in Botswana, riverbeds in Kaokoland and such), not another touring couch. There are plenty of those on the market so why offer another one.

But at the end of the day, if the bike comes close to the speculated specs (total weight around 200 kg being the main criteria for me - not too fazed whether it has 80 or 110 HP) I will buy it regardless of the seat or eve looks, as I can fix that and expect to mod the bike anyway (Honda, can you please put 48mm forks in? Can be crappy cheapos to meet the price point, but will make swapping them much easier.). That is if Yamaha will not come up with even lighter Tenere 07.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2015, 12:53:43 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on May 15, 2015, 12:55:57 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Oh wait, were you serious? ???
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2015, 01:00:33 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Oh wait, were you serious? ???

It meets the criteria, yes
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Oilspill on May 15, 2015, 01:04:33 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.

Nope ...not what we are looking for by a long shot.   
Title: Re:
Post by: dirtyXT on May 15, 2015, 01:08:21 pm
Replacement to the SE for the baddest boy on the block riding god?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 15, 2015, 01:55:59 pm
Right, Honda Sandton have my name and number. First on the list bitches!

Aparently they've only secured 5 bikes for that branch. They're going to contact me as soon as they have further info regarding price, availability and optional extras.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on May 15, 2015, 02:03:16 pm
Same for me - but Honda West Rand.

Gonna try get my name on the Sandton list too now.

[EDIT]  Done, name on both lists  [/EDIT]
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 15, 2015, 02:19:30 pm
"But at the end of the day, if the bike comes close to the speculated specs (total weight around 200 kg being the main criteria for me - not too fazed whether it has 80 or 110 HP) I will buy it regardless of the seat or eve looks, as I can fix that and expect to mod the bike anyway (Honda, can you please put 48mm forks in? Can be crappy cheapos to meet the price point, but will make swapping them much easier.). That is if Yamaha will not come up with even lighter Tenere 07."



Xpat, I look forward to your future December RR to Nam and the comparison report, 1150, 660 and the CRF.

That will be really cool.

 8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2015, 02:50:22 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.

Nope ...not what we are looking for by a long shot.   

I understand that everyone here is hoping for a KTM990 with reliability, but have anyone ever here tested a KTM990 back to back with a post 2012 GS800 or a XCX? I have spoken to a guy who rode the XC straight after selling his 990 (maybe he is here on the forum - Jaque? ) and he liked the XC more and said there is not much between the 990 and the XC - But I recently read a comparitive test between the GS800 and the XC (Before XCX) and according to the 'tester 'not much between the GS and the XC...!!!!

So, do you really think (Iam BIG Honda fan, rode many throughout the years and love my Honda) that Honda will give you a next generation 990?
If you really do, then I am in for a supprize and you guys for a spoil of note!

I would of course also love to have the new AT, and I could not care less if it come close to a 990 or not as I do not have the talent to ride the bike like a pro - but since it will also be available with dual clutch it seems Honda is taking the more sensible route. Especially if you look at the frame (iS that a twin spar allu frame?) and the last picture with stepper seat - I think looking at this picture that the current 800 in both BMW and Triumph stables will be more what you guys are after.
For your sake I hope I am wrong, but I got a feeling that this is going to be a nice lighter weight DS tourer - regardless, the first and second shipment will be sold before the bike has been launched locally - Honda probably has got the best name in the market for reliable quality products
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 pm
Interesting to read through the posts. It seems that the bike most describe here and would like to see must be a Honda branded BMWGS800, or the XCX.

Nope ...not what we are looking for by a long shot.  

Well...then you may not be in luck as thats kinda what Honda produced here....what's so different about it other than power (that we dont know the specs of yet)?

Long shot? I reckon it's a pretty close shot...squarly aimed at the same market share - maybe a bit more clever...lots of guys find the 1200gs /Explorer too big, but find the F800 / Tiger 800 too small.

Take the badge of a Triumph Tiger 800XC or a BMW F800GS and you are awfully close. It's just logical.
Similar wheels, similar suspension, similar engine in the case of the F800...probably heavier, bit more power, switchable ABS. Hell the one version even has DCT in it...thats from a NCX. It's a similar market aimed bike as the F800 and Tiger 800XC.

I would agree though that the 990 was probably looked at as the more rugged end of the scale.


Quote
I think looking at this picture that the current 800 in both BMW and Triumph stables will be more what you guys are after.
:deal:
The loyalist will not succumb to reaasooonnn!!!!!!    :peepwall:

 :sip:
But yeah...if I bought now...the Africa Twin, F800GS and Tiger XC is what I would have been directly comparing for price, ability, performance, aftermarket and dealer support.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: katana on May 15, 2015, 03:55:39 pm
The stepped seat as shown is a plus.  Anyone that has removed the GS1200 rear seat for more luggage space will agree.  Look at the base.  It is GS based.  ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 15, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
I understand that everyone here is hoping for a KTM990 with reliability, but have anyone ever here tested a KTM990 back to back with a post 2012 GS800 or a XCX? I have spoken to a guy who rode the XC straight after selling his 990 (maybe he is here on the forum - Jaque? ) and he liked the XC more and said there is not much between the 990 and the XC - But I recently read a comparitive test between the GS800 and the XC (Before XCX) and according to the 'tester 'not much between the GS and the XC...!!!!

Fuck you and tell the tester to get a life.  :peepwall:  
Nah, only joking. Yeah there has been talk about reliability but I would say reliability of a 990 is fairly high. (950 maybe a bit less but still good imho)

Yes I have swapped back and forth on one ride between a 800GS and my 990. Worlds of difference. To me the 800 does not come close to the 990 in performance, suspension and giving you a hard on. ;)
Some say that the 800 has advantages like less weight and they feel it has a lower cog.

Bottom line is that we don't know yet what the AT will be like or how good the suspension will be or how the engine power will feel, etc.

I would of course also love to have the new AT, and I could not care less if it come close to a 990 or not as I do not have the talent to ride the bike like a pro -

You don't have to be a pro to appreciate a well designed machine. As an example a novice hitting something smallish in the road with two different bikes the one with good suspension will give him the better chance of dealing with the situation and walking away.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 15, 2015, 04:13:39 pm
I understand that everyone here is hoping for a KTM990 with reliability, but have anyone ever here tested a KTM990 back to back with a post 2012 GS800 or a XCX? I have spoken to a guy who rode the XC straight after selling his 990 (maybe he is here on the forum - Jaque? ) and he liked the XC more and said there is not much between the 990 and the XC - But I recently read a comparitive test between the GS800 and the XC (Before XCX) and according to the 'tester 'not much between the GS and the XC...!!!!

Fuck you and tell the tester to get a life.  :peepwall:  
Nah, only joking. Yeah there has been talk about reliability but I would say reliability of a 990 is fairly high. (950 maybe a bit less but still good imho)

Yes I have swapped back and forth on one ride between a 800GS and my 990. Worlds of difference. To me the 800 does not come close to the 990 in performance, suspension and giving you a hard on. ;)
Some say that the 800 has advantages like less weight and they feel it has a lower cog.

Bottom line is that we don't know yet what the AT will be like or how good the suspension will be or how the engine power will feel, etc.

I would of course also love to have the new AT, and I could not care less if it come close to a 990 or not as I do not have the talent to ride the bike like a pro -

You don't have to be a pro to appreciate a well designed machine. As an example a novice hitting something smallish in the road with two different bikes the one with good suspension will give him the better chance of dealing with the situation and walking away.

I agree on the suspension, but what I heard (I had an XC and it was already great suspension) is that the XCX WP suspension is really a big step up from the first model. All the testers seemed very impressed by it.

Honda has not got a good track record for OEM suspension on any of their commuters or DS bikes. Name me one Honda with a great out of the box suspension - I am confident (hope again I am wrong) that it will be nothing near as good as the XCX suspention.

And if the rumor is true that there will be a new GS800 next year.....welll well....my money will be on it because BMW is chasing the nr1 spot always just like they do in the superbike and touring market.

I still like Honda though, but can't run from reality

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Oilspill on May 15, 2015, 04:26:29 pm
Well I am no expert but I like a bike to be as light as possible,  with as little weight over the front and enough power to get to the fun rides quickly but still have a chuckable, flexible bike.   The BMW and Triumphs (as well as my Wee) all push a lot of weight forwards (great for high speed stability).    The Honda Africa twin is a very different structure, more enduro.      For me the XT is perfect but too slow as a single.   If yamaha made an XT parallel twin I would be a happy man.  Now Honda is going to do it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 15, 2015, 04:27:21 pm

Nah, only joking. Yeah there has been talk about reliability but I would say reliability of a 990 is fairly high. (950 maybe a bit less but still good imho)


Tsek djy.
950 is n tang en bloudraad bike.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 15, 2015, 05:15:20 pm
Well I am no expert but I like a bike to be as light as possible,  with as little weight over the front and enough power to get to the fun rides quickly but still have a chuckable, flexible bike.   The BMW and Triumphs (as well as my Wee) all push a lot of weight forwards (great for high speed stability).  
Certainly I'm no expert either..but in reading the quoted line,  then you should in fact love the characteristics of the F800GS.
The whole difference on the F800GS between the Vstrom - (I also had one) The Triumph 800XC (rode one on highway traffic and some dirt (sandy)) and Transalp (I had one) a 990 (rode 2) and some other bikes is the fact that the weight sits low and center and not at all over the front and on top like those other bikes you mentioned. Also the newer 2013 and up bikes has the WP front suspension and if you are not overweight has a very good feeling suspension and compared as well to all the bikes with the exclusion of the 690 and 990, which both imho did have better feeling suspension for the rough stuff. it feels very neutral and flickable for it's size.

In fact even with the F800's 21" front wheel I feel it corners and changes direction much better than my Vstrom or Alp ever did. Tar or Offroad ,and don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Vstrom and Transalp/AfricaTwin fan.

If the new Africa Twin, has the suspension and grunt of the 990 and the weight distribution and narrow feeling as well as the seating position (for me anyway) of the F800GS- then the Africa Twin will sell a boatload and the others have a competitor on their hands, cause it looks good as well.



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 15, 2015, 05:24:51 pm
Well I am no expert but I like a bike to be as light as possible,  with as little weight over the front and enough power to get to the fun rides quickly but still have a chuckable, flexible bike.   The BMW and Triumphs (as well as my Wee) all push a lot of weight forwards (great for high speed stability).  
Certainly I'm no expert either..but in reading the quoted line,  then you should in fact love the characteristics of the F800GS.
The whole difference on the F800GS between the Vstrom - (I also had one) The Triumph 800XC (rode one on highway traffic and some dirt (sandy)) and Transalp (I had one) a 990 (rode 2) and some other bikes is the fact that the weight sits low and center and not at all over the front and on top like those other bikes you mentioned. Also the newer 2013 and up bikes has the WP front suspension and if you are not overweight has a very good feeling suspension and compared as well to all the bikes with the exclusion of the 690 and 990, which both imho did have better feeling suspension for the rough stuff. it feels very neutral and flickable for it's size.

In fact even with the F800's 21" front wheel I feel it corners and changes direction much better than my Vstrom or Alp ever did. Tar or Offroad ,and don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Vstrom and Transalp/AfricaTwin fan.

If the new Africa Twin, has the suspension and grunt of the 990 and the weight distribution and narrow feeling as well as the seating position (for me anyway) of the F800GS- then the Africa Twin will sell a boatload and the others have a competitor on their hands, cause it looks good as well.





Maybe Honda getting clever again.. I hope so
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 15, 2015, 07:21:22 pm
Really some ridiculous; subjective and perceptive posts ..... ::)
Rather stay with your 800GS's & the like - the new AT maybe too much bike for you....  :patch: 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 15, 2015, 08:45:54 pm
Really some ridiculous; subjective and perceptive posts ..... ::)
Rather stay with your 800GS's & the like - the new AT maybe too much bike for you....  :patch: 

 :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 15, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
You can a live a lot longer on hope than on bread
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on May 16, 2015, 08:05:39 am

 Any WDer ordered one yet ?
 Speak up please, lets hear your motivation why you did so.
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 16, 2015, 08:37:46 am
Any WDer ordered one yet ?
 Speak up please, lets hear your motivation why you did so.

I've tried but they're not taking orders just yet. Our names are just on an "I'm very interested" list...which we hope will be transferred to a proper waiting list in time.

I've "ordered" based on:
- I'm a bit of a Honda fanboy but the CrossTourer was not for me.
- Honda's intention to make this a fairly lightweight off-road oriented machine.
- I've been looking for a modern, taller, bigger bike but 1200cc just seems a bit much.
- The numbers we (think we) know so far: 100hp, 200kg, R170k.

I would only confirm an order with a lot more detail and preferably a review. They're hitting the EU a good 3 months before they get here so I'm sure I'll have plenty reading material in time  ;D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on May 16, 2015, 11:56:32 am
Any WDer ordered one yet ?
 Speak up please, lets hear your motivation why you did so.

I've tried but they're not taking orders just yet. Our names are just on an "I'm very interested" list...which we hope will be transferred to a proper waiting list in time.

I've "ordered" based on:
- I'm a bit of a Honda fanboy but the CrossTourer was not for me.
- Honda's intention to make this a fairly lightweight off-road oriented machine.
- I've been looking for a modern, taller, bigger bike but 1200cc just seems a bit much.
- The numbers we (think we) know so far: 100hp, 200kg, R170k.

I would only confirm an order with a lot more detail and preferably a review. They're hitting the EU a good 3 months before they get here so I'm sure I'll have plenty reading material in time  ;D

 Mmmmm. Sounds good, the 200 kg empty ? no fuel ?
 I'll have a look at ADVrider forum, ek wonder wat ook daarop gese word.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bells on May 16, 2015, 04:21:02 pm
Any WDer ordered one yet ?
 Speak up please, lets hear your motivation why you did so.

I've tried but they're not taking orders just yet. Our names are just on an "I'm very interested" list...which we hope will be transferred to a proper waiting list in time.

I've "ordered" based on:
- I'm a bit of a Honda fanboy but the CrossTourer was not for me.
- Honda's intention to make this a fairly lightweight off-road oriented machine.
- I've been looking for a modern, taller, bigger bike but 1200cc just seems a bit much.
- The numbers we (think we) know so far: 100hp, 200kg, R170k.

I would only confirm an order with a lot more detail and preferably a review. They're hitting the EU a good 3 months before they get here so I'm sure I'll have plenty reading material in time  ;D

 Mmmmm. Sounds good, the 200 kg empty ? no fuel ?
 I'll have a look at ADVrider forum, ek wonder wat ook daarop gese word.


Stats lyk vir my na 397lb maw 180kg dry weight.
Plus so bietjie water, olie en 20l petrol en jys net onder die 210kg. Dis my raai
Title: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: MooseRider on May 16, 2015, 09:57:15 pm
Very pretty

Topics merged
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 16, 2015, 09:59:56 pm
You obviously missed the other thread.....duplication
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: JMG on May 17, 2015, 07:42:08 am
Got to love it!
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2015, 08:23:18 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: If you don't have wings you'll never fly!!!
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: adv on May 17, 2015, 10:58:59 am
Looks sort of like cross beteen a 660 Tenere and a Varadero.
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: whitedelight on May 17, 2015, 12:54:19 pm
HULLO!!!
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: davidfarrell on May 17, 2015, 02:48:28 pm
Is it just me or are the latest DS bikes all starting to look the same...
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: subie on May 17, 2015, 03:11:29 pm
Is it just me or are the latest DS bikes all starting to look the same...

Still they look like very nice tar road travellers  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 17, 2015, 03:30:16 pm
Got to love it!

Except, that's a CRF450
Title: Re: And they call it the Honda CRF 1000L Africa Twin
Post by: sidetrack on May 17, 2015, 03:43:58 pm
Is it just me or are the latest DS bikes all starting to look the same...
+1 Looks very much like a Triumph or Tenere
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 17, 2015, 03:50:17 pm
Only the 950/990 and the 1200GS have distinct features. Everything else looks kinda similar.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on May 18, 2015, 07:21:12 am
Really some ridiculous; subjective and perceptive posts ..... ::)
Rather stay with your 800GS's & the like - the new AT maybe too much bike for you....  :patch:
Indeed.... esp from the extremely informed people that has ridden this new Africa Twin already...... oh..... wait.......

:P
Title: Re:
Post by: Teapot on May 18, 2015, 08:31:35 am
I want one... Im already saving...  :D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 18, 2015, 01:18:15 pm
Amateur Photoshop
I think this is what it may look like

And below, what I would do to it:
Paint front mudguard traditional solid white
Paint rear plastics white
Fit knobblies
Add rally slip-on
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 18, 2015, 01:26:27 pm
Ich warte noch!...... looks like I'll have to start saving NOW! :3some: :thumleft:
Title: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: bomber on May 18, 2015, 09:00:55 pm
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-leaks-1704644496 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-leaks-1704644496)

Topics merged
Title: Re:
Post by: iamgigglz on May 18, 2015, 09:06:21 pm
I reckon this bike has generated more duplicate threads on WD than the 1200LC and 1190 combined.
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: Straatkat on May 19, 2015, 12:29:41 am
There has never been such a buzz around a new bike, and Honda has dragged it out for as long as they have, I really hope it is worth the wait when it eventually arrives at our shores.... Personally I think they have overdone the whole marketing thing, other manufacturers launch exciting models all the time but for some reason Honda created this hype and I see no bike yet. Patience my ass!
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 19, 2015, 12:59:57 am
There has never been such a buzz around a new bike, and Honda has dragged it out for as long as they have, I really hope it is worth the wait when it eventually arrives at our shores.... Personally I think they have overdone the whole marketing thing, other manufacturers launch exciting models all the time but for some reason Honda created this hype and I see no bike yet. Patience my ass!

Agree
Although I am like everyone already know a Honda fan, and even own 2 x Honda's I'm not holding my breath.
If this Honda is really what people already make it out to be, .....well I guess then KTM should fire them own designers for not being able to do it better first.
You give me a liter class DS bike from Honda that will have better suspension, better power, better everything than the old discontiniod 990 and I will humbly apologize for being so narrow minded.
Seems the people expect a real off-road bike in a DS jacket, but they will probably get a tame 'REAL DS' bike, touring orientated and tuned for economy - and I will be happy with what I think it's going to be
Remember 2008 when Honda also announced there will be a 1200cc DS bike that will take the GS head on? I am sure there will be threads here where people discussed it and probably said BMW is going to loose sales - what happened? Was the v4 1200 beast the new crowned DS of the decad? NO, it was not even considered a real DS bike and even the Triumph Explorer which was also not considered a real DS did much better in sales in SA and it was and is being used as a DS bike......and BMW and KTM still shares the crown

None of us knows what it will be like, but it will be expensive
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on May 19, 2015, 10:01:39 am
Amateur Photoshop
I think this is what it may look like

And below, what I would do to it:
Paint front mudguard traditional solid white
Paint rear plastics white
Fit knobblies
Add rally slip-on

A few more.

Paint it orange
Fit WP suspension
Insert a 950cc carburetor V-Twin motor.


Oh wait...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Snafu on May 19, 2015, 10:10:40 am
Amateur Photoshop
I think this is what it may look like

And below, what I would do to it:
Paint front mudguard traditional solid white
Paint rear plastics white
Fit knobblies
Add rally slip-on

A few more.

Paint it orange
Fit WP suspension
Insert a 950cc carburetor V-Twin motor.


Oh wait...

Which bike is that?

Can you buy it new? :P
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 19, 2015, 10:23:04 am
Realistically the bench mark is the KTM950SE

I dont honestly think it will reach it

But....

The question is how close they get.

I am hoping they get close.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 19, 2015, 10:32:56 am
Paint it orange
Fit WP suspension
Insert a 950cc carburetor V-Twin motor.


Oh wait...

Why would you want it to look like a Flymo?
Or maybe even Öhlins, which is even better.
No thanks. If I want leaky pumps and dodgy wiring I'll buy a Peugeot
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: cocky on May 19, 2015, 10:37:55 am
Realistically the bench mark is the KTM950SE

I dont honestly think it will reach it

But....

The question is how close they get.

I am hoping they get close.


Oh please Glenn, as a adventure bike, really ..... what's next Dom gonna tell us the HP2 is a substitute for a GSA. SE is a completely different animal, in no way can you compare them.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 19, 2015, 11:13:34 am
Oh please Glenn, as a adventure bike, really ..... what's next Dom gonna tell us the HP2 is a substitute for a GSA. SE is a completely different animal, in no way can you compare them.

Define adventure. I wouldn't want to ride to Cape Town on an SE, but if I had a week and was avoiding roads altogether then sure.

We don't know how off-road oriented this machine is actually going to be. They can't market it too closely to the Crosstourer, which is softer than the GSA/Superten/Explorer, but if they aim at those bikes they'll still be too close. So, MORE off-road than those...1190R? Still too close to keep the Crosstourer safe.

I think this bike will sit between the HP2/950SE and the 1190R...I hope.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on May 19, 2015, 11:18:53 am
i think its all in the name. CRF already tells you what it is going to be, like the rest of the CRF family. now the adventure part? hmmm subframe might solve adventurising issues. i mean it certainly wont be taken around the world by anyone soon im sure but aggressive fun with reasonable touring, and for that you only need a twin to be comfortable in my opinion. then it may just be a honda SE kind of thing.
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: fred400 on May 19, 2015, 11:39:03 am
Such a protracted leak period allows for weird and wonderful speculation.  This promotes the common folk to create a "version" of what it should be, and after the hardcore blokes pull in you end up with nothing short of the idealized adventure bike.  If Honda do not hit those expectations or exceed them - major LET down! This could well reflect in the sales numbers.  Leaks have a window of opportunity - I think Honda has overplayed, unless they have a real shape-shifter to offer the adventure market, and not just another version of the same thing.  Unlikely though - others have also been at it with roughly the same engineering principles, and cost constraints, just the hype is not so elaborate!     That's my 22.5 cents worth...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Snafu on May 19, 2015, 12:03:54 pm
Should be aimed at the 990 market
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 19, 2015, 12:28:35 pm
Realistically the bench mark is the KTM950SE

I dont honestly think it will reach it

But....

The question is how close they get.

I am hoping they get close.


Oh please Glenn, as a adventure bike, really ..... what's next Dom gonna tell us the HP2 is a substitute for a GSA. SE is a completely different animal, in no way can you compare them.


Still the bench mark!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 19, 2015, 12:33:15 pm
Oh please Glenn, as a adventure bike, really ..... what's next Dom gonna tell us the HP2 is a substitute for a GSA. SE is a completely different animal, in no way can you compare them.

Define adventure. I wouldn't want to ride to Cape Town on an SE, but if I had a week and was avoiding roads altogether then sure.

We don't know how off-road oriented this machine is actually going to be. They can't market it too closely to the Crosstourer, which is softer than the GSA/Superten/Explorer, but if they aim at those bikes they'll still be too close. So, MORE off-road than those...1190R? Still too close to keep the Crosstourer safe.

I think this bike will sit between the HP2/950SE and the 1190R...I hope.


Spent three and a half weeks in the saddle in  December. Amazing trip. Yes tar is boring but the SE laps up anything you throw at it.

Yes I too hope that it is not to soft. Would love another hard core bike, if not will stay with my 450 and 950
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 19, 2015, 12:34:08 pm
i think its all in the name. CRF already tells you what it is going to be, like the rest of the CRF family. now the adventure part? hmmm subframe might solve adventurising issues. i mean it certainly wont be taken around the world by anyone soon im sure but aggressive fun with reasonable touring, and for that you only need a twin to be comfortable in my opinion. then it may just be a honda SE kind of thing.


Sounds good!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dwerg on May 19, 2015, 01:02:25 pm
i think its all in the name. CRF already tells you what it is going to be, like the rest of the CRF family

It will probably lean towards the CRF250L in that family...... Soft and heavy
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: dirtyXT on May 19, 2015, 02:33:37 pm
i think its all in the name. CRF already tells you what it is going to be, like the rest of the CRF family

It will probably lean towards the CRF250L in that family...... Soft and heavy
guess you couldn't have picked the CRF450... no its easier to be dour.  :deal: :imaposer:

maybe who cares the anticipation has gotten to much for me. its dumb. stuff honda.  :xxbah:
Title: Re:
Post by: Stofdonkie on May 19, 2015, 03:07:15 pm
I reckon this bike has generated more duplicate threads on WD than the 1200LC and 1190 combined.

Jip, so far there are more threads than pictures.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 19, 2015, 03:17:39 pm
guess you couldn't have picked the CRF450... no its easier to be dour.  :deal: :imaposer:

To be fair: the CRF450 Rally has a HRC sticker
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 19, 2015, 06:00:40 pm
I belief by comparing it to the 950SE we are speculating more correctly - it will most probably be a 950SE, but just adventurised, ie more practical, more comfort, more loadable, more range, more protection, more safety and off course more technology AND lower maintanance...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 19, 2015, 07:02:43 pm
I belief by comparing it to the 950SE we are speculating more correctly - it will most probably be a 950SE, but just adventurised, ie more practical, more comfort, more loadable, more range, more protection, more safety and off course more technology AND lower maintanance...

And cheaper maintanance  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: Sylvester on May 19, 2015, 07:04:37 pm
Ja-ja, we all know new Hondas leak (oil, water, brake-fluid, etc.) so what's the big deal?   :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: Spastic Spy on May 19, 2015, 07:25:27 pm
Ja-ja, we all know new Hondas leak (oil, water, brake-fluid, etc.) so what's the big deal?   :pot: :peepwall:

Riiiiiiiight.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on May 19, 2015, 07:49:11 pm
I get a distinct feeling of Déjŕ vu about this bike. Before Honda released the NR750, there was also a protracted period of leaked information, spy shots, artists’ impressions and general speculation. Everybody knew for certain that the bike would have oval pistons, eight valves per cylinder, 200hp, weigh 180kg and would  top 300kmh.

When it was eventually released, it weighed more than a Hayabusa, had less power than a modern 600 and battled to do more than 250. I will wait until the bike is on the showroom floors before believing anything I read.
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: XRRX on May 22, 2015, 09:29:15 pm
New Honda's arrives slooowly and seldom... cause they do the testing themselves - and thoroughly!!!
They don't miss-use their customers as "crass-test-dummies".... :patch: :peepwall:
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: WildWood on May 23, 2015, 08:56:56 am
I see another Varedero.
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: iamgigglz on May 24, 2015, 02:44:45 pm
I see another Varedero.

Highly unlikely. The Crosstourer is the new Vara.
Title: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: JFE on May 26, 2015, 06:49:07 am
I see another Varedero.

Highly unlikely. The Crosstourer is the new Vara.
Maybe replacing the Varedero but in no means close to being the same class of bike.
See the new model does have similar slots in the side as the Crosstourer, so maybe they have already provided for a the Twin to use the same paniers as the Crosstourer.
Title: Re: Re: New CRF1000L Africa Twin leaked
Post by: iamgigglz on May 26, 2015, 08:45:47 am
I see another Varedero.

Highly unlikely. The Crosstourer is the new Vara.
Maybe replacing the Varedero but in no means close to being the same class of bike.
See the new model does have similar slots in the side as the Crosstourer, so maybe they have already provided for a the Twin to use the same paniers as the Crosstourer.
Fair enough. My point was that they can't design/market this as another Vara as it would be far too close to the Crosstourer. Only BMW can get away with that shit.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 28, 2015, 07:01:32 pm
I liked the looks of the prototype a lot. Really not sure about this - it slowly starts looking as another bland uninspired Honda offering. Still hope I will eat my words though...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 28, 2015, 07:49:32 pm
.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 28, 2015, 07:55:29 pm
Take all the paniers and kark boxes off and you can see a nice bike under that IMHO.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 28, 2015, 07:59:14 pm
It just seem too low and squatty to me, and the seat is just ridiculously low. Can be just that the rider is really heavy (doesn't look so), and there are gold bricks in that bag behind him to simulate passenger. And the panniers may be also full to simulate full load. And he may be accelerating. Etc.

I'll wait for the real bike to make up my mind.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JC on May 28, 2015, 08:05:54 pm
first new AT wheelie pic  ;D

also hope it is weighed down to max spec because it looks LOW
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Herklaas on May 28, 2015, 08:11:30 pm
 :sip: Lyk nie veel anders as my 650 TransAlp nie, wat hoogte en profiel betref>
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 28, 2015, 08:19:29 pm
:sip: Lyk nie veel anders as my 650 TransAlp nie, wat hoogte en profiel betref>

Ek stem, en as hy ligter is as my 'reeds swaar' 650 Alp......nee daai wil ek eers sien.
Lyk kak, askies....ek meen nogal baie kak
KTM 1050 of Vstrom 1000 Lyk kla beter vir my
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2015, 08:35:00 pm
I get a distinct feeling of Déjŕ vu about this bike. Before Honda released the NR750, there was also a protracted period of leaked information, spy shots, artists’ impressions and general speculation. Everybody knew for certain that the bike would have oval pistons, eight valves per cylinder, 200hp, weigh 180kg and would  top 300kmh.

When it was eventually released, it weighed more than a Hayabusa, had less power than a modern 600 and battled to do more than 250. I will wait until the bike is on the showroom floors before believing anything I read.


And the NR500's GP racer, the NR500 was actually banned from racing as it presented a danger on the track being so much slower than the 500 2strokes. After Honda spent
millions on trying to show that a equivalent size 4stroke could run with 2strokes. :xxbah:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on May 28, 2015, 09:20:10 pm
WTF?
The seat height and clearance looks terrible!
Name. Off. List.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 28, 2015, 10:13:56 pm
I think we're judging far too much based on these pics. There could be 120kg in that luggage and the rider could be Takashi.
Title: Re:
Post by: Grondpaaie on May 28, 2015, 10:17:40 pm
Stuff all this guessing, I want one
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 28, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
Don't know what all the moaning is all about, it doesn't for a facq look like a CRF but it definitely looks similar to the familiar Africa Twin shape.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 29, 2015, 08:11:01 am
Don't know what all the moaning is all about, it doesn't for a fact look like a CRF but it definitely looks similar to the familiar Africa Twin shape.

+1 - That bike is obviously loaded - and still the clearance seems more than most current DS - offerings empty!!  :patch: Surely we don't want it as high as a XR hey - who's going to buy it then ....  :deal:
Title: Re:
Post by: Grondpaaie on May 29, 2015, 08:32:56 am
Me
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on May 29, 2015, 09:13:04 am
It looks crap
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on May 29, 2015, 09:14:55 am
Wat rook jy Bra
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 29, 2015, 09:56:57 am
In that pic it looks like it should be compared with the new Strom rather than the 990.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rascal on May 29, 2015, 09:59:44 am
seeing that the front wheel is off the ground the bike is squatting under acceleration.




first new AT wheelie pic  ;D

also hope it is weighed down to max spec because it looks LOW

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 29, 2015, 10:02:32 am
In that pic it looks like it should be compared with the new Strom rather than the 990.

 ::) ::)

It looks crap

Yes - almost as crap as a 950/990 KTM; Adventure/S/R or SE ....

Me

Yes, me too, but I'm afraid between the few of us the sales wouldn't make the development profitable to the manufacturer...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 29, 2015, 10:06:05 am
Watch, when released it will have same power, same ground clearance, same everything, just has spoked wheels and for that you will pay an extra R20k legend tax.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 29, 2015, 10:39:55 am
.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on May 29, 2015, 11:12:37 am
well at least it can do a wheelie  ;D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2015, 11:14:10 am
I cant believe people are putting down their names on heresay, unconfirmed stats and no proper pictures of the bike !? Is it just me ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 29, 2015, 11:27:49 am
I cant believe people are putting down their names on heresay, unconfirmed stats and no proper pictures of the bike !? Is it just me ?

Putting names down is not the same as putting a deposit down. I'm first on the list at Honda Sandton but if the bike turns out to be a lemon there's no obligation to purchase.

However if the bike turns out to be a peach then I'm first on the list...  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TheBear on May 29, 2015, 12:27:40 pm
She is here shortly.

http://www.hondamotorsa.co.za/honda-news-motorcycles/honda-news-motorcycles-60/ (http://www.hondamotorsa.co.za/honda-news-motorcycles/honda-news-motorcycles-60/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 29, 2015, 12:54:08 pm
I am 1.80m, use the lowest seat setting on my S10, if the Varadero had a lower setting I would use that too. Both bikes have raisers ... I have no problem with the low seat on the AT 1000 if that is what we are looking at.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on May 29, 2015, 01:04:02 pm
WTF?
The seat height and clearance looks terrible!
Name. Off. List.

 :thumleft:  I see a bad wing rising...  after all the hype.  Reminds me of the 'New African Twin' claims of the CT?  With its ST1300 motor... :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on May 29, 2015, 01:20:54 pm
In that pic it looks like it should be compared with the new Strom rather than the 990.

 ::) ::)

It looks crap

Yes - almost as crap as a 950/990 KTM; Adventure/S/R or SE ....

Me

Yes, me too, but I'm afraid between the few of us the sales wouldn't make the development profitable to the manufacturer...

It has the ground clearance of a Vespa.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on May 29, 2015, 01:24:44 pm
well at least it can do a wheelie  ;D

But it required the bump in the road to launch it  :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on May 29, 2015, 01:35:26 pm
I also wonder why they are testing it in Germany and not in Africa.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on May 29, 2015, 03:11:01 pm
WTF?
The seat height and clearance looks terrible!
Name. Off. List.

 :thumleft:  I see a bad wing rising...  after all the hype.  Reminds me of the 'New African Twin' claims of the CT?  With its ST1300 motor... :deal:

Welcome - I guess we do have all the "critics" on-board now ...  :biggrin:

I cant believe people are putting down their names on heresay, unconfirmed stats and no proper pictures of the bike !? Is it just me ?

Jip - same can be said for all the criticism on hearsay, unconfirmed stats and no proper pictures ...  ;) 8)
Well on this forum it will be "playing it safe" to criticise anything without a BM or Katoom badge ...  :peepwall: :P
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 29, 2015, 03:55:58 pm
Question is now: Will it be better than the 800xcx at the same price?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 29, 2015, 03:59:59 pm
 ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 29, 2015, 04:02:36 pm
Question is now: Will it be better than the 800xcx at the same price?


Depends who you ask?
If you ask me I would say hell no!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 29, 2015, 04:27:46 pm
Question is now: Will it be better than the 800xcx at the same price?

Xcx not in the same league as this, my guess: R180k ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 29, 2015, 04:49:11 pm
I for one wouldn't touch Tiger with a stick even at 50K. Triple for offroad - oh please. And there was a report from ZIM with 3 Tigers in the group and if I remember correctly only one made it out on its own power. I know new ones are supposed to be fixed, but I don't care - triple is for roadies, who want to very occasionally venture on gravel. And its a heavy pig.

If this AT comes very close to the speculated specs (the weight being the key for me, I would be perfectly happy with 85 HP) has very good suspension (or easily upgradeable aftermarket one), decent wheels that do not need to be replaced immediately on the purchase, is properly reliable and has decent range for Kaokoland (tanks size / consumption) I'll pay 170k no problem. If it comes with really good suspension that I do not have to replace completely and looking like that muddied prototype (flat seat allowing moving weight to the front) I'll pay 200k.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2015, 05:07:29 pm
I cant believe people are putting down their names on heresay, unconfirmed stats and no proper pictures of the bike !? Is it just me ?

Putting names down is not the same as putting a deposit down. I'm first on the list at Honda Sandton but if the bike turns out to be a lemon there's no obligation to purchase.

However if the bike turns out to be a peach then I'm first on the list...  :deal:
Well ok then, heard before of deposits that must be paid to be first in line
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on May 29, 2015, 05:14:35 pm
Well ok then, heard before of deposits that must be paid to be first in line

That's true. The problem is Honda ZA doesn't have confirmed pricing yet so they can't take deposits  :-\
I was assured that the sales guys will be working their way through their current list the moment they get pricing; after that then yes, first to pay deposit is ACTUALLY first on the REAL waiting list.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on May 30, 2015, 07:52:00 am
I genuinely hope they get it right.  Even just getting it nearly right will be fine.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 30, 2015, 09:39:37 am
Dear Mr Xpay:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 30, 2015, 11:05:09 am
I see, you are into google images. Let me play along for a bit:



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on May 30, 2015, 11:22:03 am
@ Berty: Now, I think we would both agree that Triumph is better tool for the dunes than R1. By the same token for me a twin would be always better offroad than triple, due to weight, width, low down torque, pleasant vibrations rather than smooth engine - yes, as far as I'm concerned those are important for offroad - and the vibes are one of the things that give 990 its character (onroad I think works exactly in the opposite way, but I'm not roadie). Hell, I would have actually preferred a modern powerful single (KTM has one, but didn't bother to put it into long distance riding form), but manufacturers seem to gave up on those as the world is going more and more soft.

Back on topic: I'm here because I'm genuinely interested in the new AT. And I'm not Honda fan at all - as far as I'm concerned their current dull practicality focused offerings they are robbing motorcycling off its soul. I'm looking for a bike for solo remote long distance spirited adventure riding - ideally 990R with higher reliability (I'm not saying 990 is not reliable, I just want that extra safety margin from Honda), range. And from what I've seen (pictures and speculations about specs) so far - 21/18 inches wheels, 270 degree crank parallel twin hopefully providing lots of torque per Yamie MT07, flat seat of the prototype - this bike seem to me to aim for that and not be just another touring couch in offroadish disguise. I'm OK if they come up with softened version for the masses as long as they also provide an R version.

And I'm willing to pay good money for that. As I said I'm going to wait for the real bike to make my mind. And I will not be looking at Triumph at all.



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 30, 2015, 10:19:10 pm
Well ok then, heard before of deposits that must be paid to be first in line

That's true. The problem is Honda ZA doesn't have confirmed pricing yet so they can't take deposits  :-\
I was assured that the sales guys will be working their way through their current list the moment they get pricing; after that then yes, first to pay deposit is ACTUALLY first on the REAL waiting list.

Do they have any idea of when the bikes will be available in SA?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on May 31, 2015, 01:05:57 am
I will believe it when I see it - have patience then..... 
The 2015 Africa Twin or for what it's worth may be a pipe dream that is smoked by all who want to inhale notions of a bike that may not exist in this world yet.
Others have tried with the 950SE and R1200GS HP2.

Sub 170 kg dry allowing for 6kg of extra fluids such as motor and fork oil and a few liters of coolant takes the equation up to 176kg. I may be fairly anal about weight
for personal reasons but this new CRF1000L better not get to more than 190kg with a full tank. 250mm of useful öhlins grade type of suspension will do well for me.
Don't worry about the seat height either because with my lanky frame of 1.78 meters I do well on my XR650L in any terrain so no worries there.

I wish for a lightweight 2 cylinder XR1000L but realize that some of my dreams may never be answered. Gonna go and ride my XR tomorrow for what it's worth...

Will be interesting to see how this latest greatest turns out to be but I'm keeping my XR650 for life. just in case. If the CRF1000L (R) delivers I may be ready for a
change. Ons wag maar net.....



Title: Re:
Post by: Teapot on May 31, 2015, 07:32:17 am
Tick tock and we wait.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on May 31, 2015, 10:43:38 am
I see, you are into google images. Let me play along for a bit
:laughing4: :imaposer: :lol8: :o ;D :biggrin:

The 800GS/XC is the perfect upgrade to my Strompy.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JJBotes on June 03, 2015, 02:57:56 pm
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/1912282_913421592052172_4854761995162745837_n.jpg?oh=7680fdbb963affb57fe9ce560b4cdf77&oe=56015F29)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: katana on June 04, 2015, 05:58:46 am
Nice.  That is decent ground clearance in anyone's book.
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on June 04, 2015, 06:54:49 am
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/1912282_913421592052172_4854761995162745837_n.jpg?oh=7680fdbb963affb57fe9ce560b4cdf77&oe=56015F29)
These magazines make me laugh sometimes. Pic look familiar?

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/03/2bbb755577a92f32a98f838f6760e27b.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 04, 2015, 07:50:32 am

These magazines make me laugh sometimes. Pic look familiar?


 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

See how the front wheel is a bit elevated. Maybe on purpose to give the impression of nice ground clearance?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on June 04, 2015, 08:34:54 am
It's  a photoshop for sure.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 04, 2015, 08:40:02 am
Well spotted iamgigglz, that desert mud gives it away... :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: cocky on June 04, 2015, 12:46:15 pm

Africa Twin spied on the road

Published: 29 May 2015


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Honda’s new CRF1000F Africa Twin has been spied testing on the roads near the German Research and Design centre in Frankfurt, Germany, where bikes are tested for European regulations and to carry out final endurance and emissions testing ahead of the official launch.

It appears this is a more touring-orientated version of the bike that, according to MCN sources, will sit alongside a more off-road ‘adventure’ styled version aimed at proper off-road adventurers.

This is the first time the new 1000cc parallel-twin bike has been seen in full and on the road, and the pictures clearly reveal that this is the Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) version, as it has no clutch lever and the bar-mounted gearchange paddles are also visible.



Honda are yet to reveal the Africa Twin in full, releasing just two partially obscured teaser shots (MCN May 13), after which MCN uncovered undisguised patent photographs of the full bike a week later (May 20 issue). The only other official clue to the overall bike was the mud-covered True Adventure concept shown at Milan last year, which presented the new bike a serious off-roader.

This test bike spotted has the full complement of Honda hard panniers and topbox along with what looks like a much taller windscreen for increased rider comfort.

Honda say the new Africa Twin will be in dealers before the end of 2015, which means the firm is likely to officially launch the bike in the very near future.

 




What can we see?

DCT gearbox There’s no clutch lever on this bike and we can clearly see the gearchange paddles mounted on the handlebars. Honda sources say the firm has gone to great lengths to make sure the semi-automatic DCT system works off road too, delivering traction where less experienced riders would struggle to find it for themselves. DCT will be offered as an option but if the popularity of the option on other bikes continues to the Africa Twin it will mean around 50% of buyers specifying DCT.

1000cc parallel-twin engine Honda loves parallel-twin motors and have been busy developing their range from 500cc upwards. While purists might yearn for a V-twin like the old XRV750 Africa Twin there are distinct advantages to the parallel-twin layout in terms of the packaging. Because the engine is canted forwards in the frame it leaves a large amount of space above for the placement of the electronics and the fuel tank, which keeps the mass more centralised. It also keeps all of the delicate stuff out of the way of rocks and debris while off-roading.

Dashboard This is the first time we have seen any glimpse of the Africa Twin’s bespoke dashboard, which appears to be a vertically stacked full LCD dash, split into separate sections. At the right side of the cockpit fairing appear to be buttons for accessories of other functions, possibly for features like auxiliary lighting or heated grips.



Brakes ABS-assisted Nissin radially-mounted brakes work with the wavy twin front discs. We understand the ABS has been developed with off-road use in mind but can also be turned off in extreme conditions.

Luggage Hard luggage is a necessity for any rider aiming to travel long distances because of the extra protection it gives to both their contents, and to the bike itself. Ignore the soft tailpack mounted on the pillion seat; this is simply full of datalogging equipment as the bike carries out final testing to ensure it meets European regulations.

Fork-mounted reflectors There was a time when ugly side reflectors were indicative of American-market only models but not any longer. Thanks to Euro4 regulations all bikes will have to have them fitted from new.

Wheels Honda wants this bike to be an off-road contender, and the choice of wheel sizes lends credibility to their claims. The front rim appears to be 21in, while the rears looks to be 18in. Tyres on these types of bikes are usually 110/80-19 and 150/70-17, while BMW’s R1200GS runs 120/70-19 and 170/60-17. The front tyre on this pic doesn’t look like a 110 or 120 to us, but more like a 100/80, or 90/90 – again hinting at it’s off-road prowess. The tyre is not a tread we’ve seen before, suggesting that they are all new, and developed specifically for the Africa Twin.

 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on June 04, 2015, 03:21:52 pm
Is it just me as I cannot see any photo's in that post..?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JC on June 05, 2015, 03:37:48 pm
Is it just me as I cannot see any photo's in that post..?

cocky + computers =  :lamer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtRebell on June 05, 2015, 05:09:59 pm
Is it just me as I cannot see any photo's in that post..?

Moet fout wees joukant.
Ek sien alles.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on June 05, 2015, 07:50:42 pm
Is it just me as I cannot see any photo's in that post..?

Moet fout wees joukant.
Ek sien alles.

Must be my crap old iPad...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: uaedesertfox on June 07, 2015, 07:29:34 am
Morning WD's...

Here is the link for those that cannot see the pics....

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/)

I want and will have one ..... Cannot have a 660 Tenere next to my 650R...

Regards

Joe

Honda man ..... and proud of it.... 8) 8)



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on June 07, 2015, 09:14:25 pm
Morning WD's...

Here is the link for those that cannot see the pics....

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/)

I want and will have one ..... Cannot have a 660 Tenere next to my 650R...

Regards

Joe

Honda man ..... and proud of it....
8) 8)





+1

They may not be the most exciting manufacturer - BUT QUALITY IS THE LASTING IMPRESSION - always striving for perfection !!! No other bike manufacturer comes even close!!!
The beautiful but totally over-looked VFR1200X is a classic example ...  :deal: Unfortunately people buy bikes on perceptions/badge and spec-sheets ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: cocky on June 08, 2015, 08:08:47 am
Kyk, lapnaai jy doptril .... copy and paste van motorcyclenews.com
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on June 08, 2015, 08:00:57 pm
Kyk, lapnaai jy doptril .... copy and paste van motorcyclenews.com

All you can do is paste you vark.

Its not a ford booitjie, its a Honda
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tp007 on June 18, 2015, 01:42:20 pm
Morning WD's...

Here is the link for those that cannot see the pics....

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/)

I want and will have one ..... Cannot have a 660 Tenere next to my 650R...

Regards

Joe

Honda man ..... and proud of it....
8) 8)





+1

They may not be the most exciting manufacturer - BUT QUALITY IS THE LASTING IMPRESSION - always striving for perfection !!! No other bike manufacturer comes even close!!!
The beautiful but totally over-looked VFR1200X is a classic example ...  :deal: Unfortunately people buy bikes on perceptions/badge and spec-sheets ...
I test-ridden the VFR1200X, twice, before I bought the GSA. Lovely bike but priced the same as the GS but offers less in terms of electronics, etc. Bike also felt smaller than the GS and I wanted a bigger bike for touring. Comparing aftersales on Honda and BMW is like chalk and cheese...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 18, 2015, 02:42:05 pm
Morning WD's...

Here is the link for those that cannot see the pics....

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/may/africa-twin-spied-on-the-road/)

I want and will have one ..... Cannot have a 660 Tenere next to my 650R...

Regards

Joe

Honda man ..... and proud of it....
8) 8)





+1

They may not be the most exciting manufacturer - BUT QUALITY IS THE LASTING IMPRESSION - always striving for perfection !!! No other bike manufacturer comes even close!!!
The beautiful but totally over-looked VFR1200X is a classic example ...  :deal: Unfortunately people buy bikes on perceptions/badge and spec-sheets ...
I test-ridden the VFR1200X, twice, before I bought the GSA. Lovely bike but priced the same as the GS but offers less in terms of electronics, etc. Bike also felt smaller than the GS and I wanted a bigger bike for touring. Comparing aftersales on Honda and BMW is like chalk and cheese...

Although I am a Honda fan I have to agree on this statement
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TornadoF5 on June 30, 2015, 02:15:59 pm
Is it just me as I cannot see any photo's in that post..?

cocky + computers =  :lamer:
cocky + computers = cockup
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on June 30, 2015, 03:50:29 pm
A few photoshops from the interwebz. I really hope they make a Rothmans Special version, but it's highly unlikely as smoking is now just about punishable by stoning.  ;)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_white.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_brown.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_black.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_oldschool.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_Rothmans.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Welsh on June 30, 2015, 03:59:28 pm
I do not see Honda releasing a HP2 / 950SE contender as long as I have whatever I was trying to remember.... 8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 30, 2015, 07:36:02 pm
I do not see Honda releasing a HP2 / 950SE contender as long as I have whatever I was trying to remember.... 8)

My thought too, even the KTM 1050 looks more aggressive to me
Maybe there was a bit of wishful thinking, just another tourer - and nothing really wrong with it but there will be a lot of disappointment I think
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on June 30, 2015, 07:41:11 pm
A few photoshops from the interwebz. I really hope they make a Rothmans Special version, but it's highly unlikely as smoking is now just about punishable by stoning.  ;)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_white.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_brown.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_black.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_oldschool.jpg)

(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/012742/Honda_CRF1000_Africa_Twin_Rothmans.jpg)

 :drif: :drif: :drif:

"THE BIKE KTM & BMW FANS HOPE WILL BE A DISAPPOINTMENT ...."   :peepwall: :patch:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rider39 on June 30, 2015, 07:46:51 pm
 :pot: :peepwall: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on June 30, 2015, 07:59:59 pm
 :spitcoffee:

Vatso Katvis
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: skydiver on July 01, 2015, 11:39:48 am
I want one in black please!!!!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on July 01, 2015, 11:40:46 am
I want one in black please!!!!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:

Triple Black   Yes PLEASE Santa   :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 01, 2015, 04:32:08 pm
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11427241_848037271899130_5216956961302545792_n.jpg?oh=45f94fb3fc306b364ee4b17ecbd525b6&oe=561E96E6)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 02, 2015, 07:20:41 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11427241_848037271899130_5216956961302545792_n.jpg?oh=45f94fb3fc306b364ee4b17ecbd525b6&oe=561E96E6)

A total redesign by Kawasaki - yip I can see it - its the new screen addition , the Afrika Bin
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 22, 2015, 08:33:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/TI_jaqiHIoE

I'm worried about the statement 'it feels lighter than Transalp' - means it probably isn't.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 22, 2015, 10:03:37 pm
the red one or the white one , seems to me this is a bike styling wise where you could buy it now and keep it for years , hopefully engine wise too - good looking bike in my eyes
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 22, 2015, 11:01:57 pm
damn and now the video has gone !!!!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 22, 2015, 11:14:42 pm
Yes, the idiots took it off - this Honda marketing pissing game is getting really tiresome. Here are at least some pics from advrider:

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/Untitled-1_zpssdznpxut.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-08_zpsxu4bhr5s.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-10_zpsfszgdzfw.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-07_zpsuofougpj.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-02_zpsdms5tslw.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-04_zpscenylo7k.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-05_zpsuhltkaoc.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-01_zpsb8fozpzr.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-03_zpsieau8mf7.jpg)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/Brtp4/Atomic/Honda%20CRF1000/AT-06_zpsdbebilxf.jpg)

The white one seems to be non-DCT - hence it can wheelie, and quite frankly looks much better (not DCTs fault though).
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 22, 2015, 11:29:26 pm
Let's see how long this one lasts...

https://www.youtube.com/v/OCizHWu0gao
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 23, 2015, 01:22:43 am
I must agree with them on the sound, it sounds really nice in the vid
It is looking good and I think it's going to be a very big seller depending if it is priced fair in SA.
The dual clutch transmission......well I never liked auto cars and now I do, time will tell but seems they are getting ready to launch!
I had my doubts (and still have a little) but I would be relieved if Honda nailed this one to be an exciting and reliable DS bike
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Jakkals on July 23, 2015, 07:28:22 am
Ek dink hier  kom 'n bevange DS bike, Honda het nie verniet die naam Africatwin so lank op die reserve bank gelos nie.

En soos ek Honda ken sal hulle ook die fiets eers ordentlik toets voor hulle hom aan die publiek vrystel.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on July 23, 2015, 07:38:27 am
Just watched that Video.

Hier kom n ding!!!!    :thumleft: :thumleft: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 0012 on July 23, 2015, 08:23:40 am
My swakke hart  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:

Daai ligte is baie mooi, is dit LED of HID?
Title: Re:
Post by: Lourens ツ on July 23, 2015, 08:54:50 am
I've been holding out for this bike and I think it will be worth the loooong wait. 

Posted with my Samsung Mobile
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 23, 2015, 09:09:24 am
Here is a link to ADVrider.com. The video further down has been edited to remove all the talking.

Good looking machine

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-pre-release-speculation-threadfest.1064796/page-198 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-pre-release-speculation-threadfest.1064796/page-198)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 23, 2015, 09:17:43 am
looking like a samurai the front or maybe its just me
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Post by: Kaboef on July 23, 2015, 09:35:28 am
It looks quite lekker!

Would still prefer a flat seat though. (not stepped)

Ground clearance looks same as my 950. I wonder what the suspension travel will be?
230mm?

The engine will be a beaut. Honda makes excellent engines.

I can't wait for this bike.


Title: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: Damaraland on July 23, 2015, 10:07:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/OCizHWu0gao

Early days but I can easily see one of these in my future...

Topics merged
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: Dux on July 23, 2015, 10:44:20 am
Looks good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 23, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Here is a link to ADVrider.com. The video further down has been edited to remove all the talking.

https://www.youtube.com/v/xMHdF5M6SZ0
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 23, 2015, 11:24:52 am
From that video you can already see that the suspension is inadequate. The front end uses its full travel under braking. So expect dented rims etc ect. What a pity  :(
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 11:35:07 am
Well, I'll wait and see how this bike is going to turn outbefore I make up my mind. I like the looks of it, except the split seat (easily fixable), tall screen (again easy fix) and those shrouds on the side - those will probably get ripped off at the first fall, and I'm not keen at all to put scaffolding around my bike to prevent that - Tenere's design with those bumper protectors seems much superior to this.

I agree that suspension seems to bottom out at slightest provocation. But as long as the internals are decent I will just swap the spring which you probably need to do on almost any bike. I fully expect to modify the bike, the question is how far I'm willing to go. Change the springs to cater for my riding and get suspension properly tuned - sure, I think you have to do that on any bike if you want ride off tar proper. Swapping whole front end with tripple clamps and stuff (I've done it on Tenere), not so sure as it's major tuning effort to make the bike not to want you throw off at slightest provocation. But then if it is extremely light (not likely) I would consider even that.
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 23, 2015, 11:36:47 am
Like the gold rims. The bikes in the past that had gold rims were good DS bikes ;) :deal:
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: iamgigglz on July 23, 2015, 11:54:14 am
Geargh, are we going to have a million duplicate threads every time Honda releases new morsel of info?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162551.msg3298463#msg3298463 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162551.msg3298463#msg3298463)
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: volroom on July 23, 2015, 11:54:47 am
oo...this loooks (and sounds) good
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: BLK on July 23, 2015, 12:04:04 pm
We shall see what this brings to the table
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: The Rock on July 23, 2015, 12:17:09 pm
ooooh that looks good!  :drif:

i'll have to start saving!

kind of ironic that the fuel injection engineer's name is Yamasaki...!  :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dustman on July 23, 2015, 12:21:25 pm

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/heres-what-its-like-to-ride-the-new-africa-twin/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/heres-what-its-like-to-ride-the-new-africa-twin/)

Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 12:23:45 pm
Mods, please, couldn't you just bring the big thread from the Honda section back to the General one? It will prevent duplication and confusion and anyway this bike is not out yet, and the discussion can make for good traffic here.

I think it would simplify things greatly.
Title: Re: Footage of the new Africa Twin
Post by: Battlestar on July 23, 2015, 12:30:22 pm
Mods, please, couldn't you just bring the big thread from the Honda section back to the General one? It will prevent duplication and confusion and anyway this bike is not out yet, and the discussion can make for good traffic here.

I think it would simplify things greatly.
+1
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 23, 2015, 12:33:44 pm
Mods, please, couldn't you just bring the big thread from the Honda section back to the General one? It will prevent duplication and confusion and anyway this bike is not out yet, and the discussion can make for good traffic here.

I think it would simplify things greatly.

I agree, at least temporarily until the excitement has passed.
I'll even make it a sticky
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 01:53:34 pm
Thanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on July 23, 2015, 02:25:58 pm
I wouldn't mind one of these in the garage, very pretty. Think I'll wait until the second generation comes out, so if there are one or three niggles, they can be sorted.

It will also take that long to convince SWAMBO that I need a new bike  :ricky:.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on July 23, 2015, 02:39:03 pm
 :eek7:
 :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 02:49:25 pm
For whatever it is worth, here are specs that appeared on some Portugese site:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11781690_927190214008114_1537278287661795640_n.jpg?oh=13ea060b02e0a3fe31b7238f1eccf9c0&oe=561873C3)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 23, 2015, 02:50:25 pm
Im quoting this from a Honda Portugal data sheet that was posted on ADV Rider

Dry Weight
208KG Standard form
212KG ABS
222KG DCT

Wet Weight
228KG Standard
232KG ABS
242KG DCT

75KW @ 7600RPM
98NM @ 6000RPM
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 23, 2015, 02:51:16 pm
Sorry XPAT didnt see your post. Beat me to it  ;D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 02:55:47 pm
My Tenere at about 210 kg wet is already way too heavy, I've hoped Honda will match it. If those weights are right, I'm most probably out - will still have a look, but may need to start looking elsewhere (common Yamaha!)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 23, 2015, 03:07:22 pm
Looks like a contender.
850mm / 870mm seat height
18.8l Fuel tank
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 23, 2015, 03:08:08 pm
My Tenere at about 210 kg wet is already way too heavy, I've hoped Honda will match it. If those weights are right, I'm most probably out - will still have a look, but may need to start looking elsewhere (common Yamaha!)

210kg wet and 1000cc? Good luck with that.

XRV750 - 218kg wet
Transalp 700 - 214kg dry
F800GS - 214kg wet
KTM 1050Adv - 230kg wet
I could go on but you get the point.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: boland on July 23, 2015, 03:11:07 pm
My Tenere at about 210 kg wet is already way too heavy, I've hoped Honda will match it. If those weights are right, I'm most probably out - will still have a look, but may need to start looking elsewhere (common Yamaha!)

210kg wet and 1000cc? Good luck with that.

XRV750 - 218kg wet
Transalp 700 - 214kg dry
F800GS - 214kg wet
KTM 1050Adv - 230kg wet
I could go on but you get the point.


Ai, bike looks like it's going to be really good, but I will find it hard to buy a bike that's in the heavyweight class.

Still worth a test ride I think! :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 23, 2015, 03:15:20 pm
Hmmm, almost exactly the same power, torque and weight as the R150k R140k 1050 Adventure which has ABS, TC and rider modes.
Here's hoping Honda can hit R140k for their ABS version.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 23, 2015, 03:22:02 pm
My Tenere at about 210 kg wet is already way too heavy, I've hoped Honda will match it. If those weights are right, I'm most probably out - will still have a look, but may need to start looking elsewhere (common Yamaha!)

yeah, it's coming in too heavy.
Don't forget what magic the test riders have. They make it look easy on those big pigs.

https://youtu.be/gWsxaR0ZZKk 

https://youtu.be/OjLFzSCj0so   

https://youtu.be/NpCubYprqFQ
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 03:25:52 pm

210kg wet and 1000cc? Good luck with that.

XRV750 - 218kg wet
Transalp 700 - 214kg dry
F800GS - 214kg wet
KTM 1050Adv - 230kg wet
I could go on but you get the point.


Why couldn't AT weight at about F800 GS level? It's what - 8-9 years more modern, power-wise in the same ballpark (9 hp more) and how much does the additional 200 cc of air weight?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 03:28:07 pm
And just for kicks - 14 year old KTM 950 Adventure was 189 dry - so what 210 or so wet?

Progress...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2015, 03:31:17 pm
About the weight why make it a 1000cc ? Bike of that size will never be light or or be off road capable for us average joe's. They should have built a 650 or 750 twin and save at least 30 kg's.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on July 23, 2015, 03:32:36 pm
From the stats, the DCT will be 242KG?  Am I mistaken or is that 13kg more than the standard 2008 1200GS (@229kg)?  Even the standard AT will be almost the same weight 228kg.  That can't be correct? ???
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 23, 2015, 03:35:29 pm

yeah, it's coming in too heavy.
Don't forget what magic the test riders have. They make it look easy on those big pigs.


So what you're saying is that it's not the bike, it's the rider  :lol8:

Lighter is always better and Honda would have sent shockwaves through the market if they got this thing under 210kg but it was just never going to happen.

Lightweight, affordable, reliable. Pick two.

Why couldn't AT weight at about F800 GS level? It's what - 8-9 years more modern, power-wise in the same ballpark (9 hp more) and how much does the additional 200 cc of air weight?

14kg apparently   ;D

I'm assuming more oil, bigger tank, bigger alternator, beefier oil pump, hopefully beefier forks, probably bigger frame and subframe...it's just an altogether bigger bike than the F800.

Also the F700GS is nearly 10kg lighter than the F800GS and they have the same motor. What's that about?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2015, 03:38:38 pm

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/heres-what-its-like-to-ride-the-new-africa-twin/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/heres-what-its-like-to-ride-the-new-africa-twin/)


English Honda rep doing interview, Frenchman is the test rider and the Japanese engineers who can speak a single word of English. No wonder when everyone asked for "light", "dirt worthy" and "off road" some things fell through the cracks or am I being too harsh  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 03:39:28 pm
About the weight why make it a 1000cc ? Bike of that size will never be light or or be off road capable for us average joe's. They should have built a 650 or 750 twin and save at least 30 kg's.

I'm with you - I would gladly go for one but nobody makes one (Yamaha can you get your ass moving on XT700z, please). There was a speculation that radically low weight  (for a 1000cc) would be the game changer Honda talked about. If those published weights are correct, it is not. The game changer seems to be a Playstation gearbox with no clutch overdrive - really dandy for commuters and tourists.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2015, 03:42:21 pm
Look they can get talented MX riders to jump and wheelie a bike in the promo shot but 228KG is 228KG period. I have removed steel chunks of the XT660Z and it's still a beast !
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2015, 03:57:26 pm
About the weight why make it a 1000cc ? Bike of that size will never be light or or be off road capable for us average joe's. They should have built a 650 or 750 twin and save at least 30 kg's.

I'm with you - I would gladly go for one but nobody makes one (Yamaha can you get your ass moving on XT700z, please). There was a speculation that radically low weight  (for a 1000cc) would be the game changer Honda talked about. If those published weights are correct, it is not. The game changer seems to be a Playstation gearbox with no clutch overdrive - really dandy for commuters and tourists.
They are building cars with smaller engines, more frugal and weighs less but it seems when it comes to DS bikes the guy with the biggest displacement and HP wins  :P And don't say it's so you can do tar and pillion then please go and buy a Honda Crosstourer  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 04:03:54 pm

Lightweight, affordable, affordable. Pick two.

Why couldn't AT weight at about F800 GS level? It's what - 8-9 years more modern, power-wise in the same ballpark (9 hp more) and how much does the additional 200 cc of air weight?

14kg apparently   ;D

I'm assuming more oil, bigger tank, bigger alternator, beefier oil pump, hopefully beefier forks, probably bigger frame and subframe...it's just an altogether bigger bike than the F800.

Also the F700GS is nearly 10kg lighter than the F800GS and they have the same motor. What's that about?

1. Lightweight and reliable for me please.
2. Old R1200GS with a drive shaft is dry 203 kg and 229kg wet with 200 cc more. Where is those 14 kgs?

Look, if the weight doesn't bother and you like this bike, go for it and enjoy. I will have to continue looking for something to modify - or just ride my Tenere until something more suitable comes up.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 23, 2015, 04:32:39 pm
They are building cars with smaller engines, more frugal and weighs less but it seems when it comes to DS bikes the guy with the biggest displacement and HP wins  :P And don't say it's so you can do tar and pillion then please go and buy a Honda Crosstourer  :deal:

Any noteworthy weight savings on modern cars come from building engines from lighter materials, switching to monocoque construction and making body panels from Aluminium or plastic rather than steel, and even in those cases you're saving single digit percentages.

It IS to do tar and a pillion...and luggage...and off road...
If a bike can focus on one thing then it can make sacrifices and be lighter. What does a double cab weigh compared to a 3 series or Willies Jeep?

The stupidly advanced BMW S1000RR weighs 197kg dry with frighteningly fragile carbon, magnesium and aluminium all over the place.

15kg extra gives you spoked wheels, an actual subframe, a metal bashplate, a pillion seat made for actual people, suspension with three times the travel and designed to take a beating. Not bad in my books.

1. Lightweight and reliable for me please.
2. Old R1200GS with a drive shaft is dry 203 kg and 229kg wet with 200 cc more. Where is those 14 kgs?

Look, if the weight doesn't bother and you like this bike, go for it and enjoy. I will have to continue looking for something to modify - or just ride my Tenere until something more suitable comes up.

1. Better start saving
2. No ABS so you're comparing to the 208kg Africa Twin but still, BMW did bloody well keeping that bike light. Engine + frame + wheels. Done.

Weight certainly does bother me but we have to be reasonable. Honda could throw a magnesium and carbon fibre at this thing and get it under 200kg but it would cost at least R30k more and no-one would buy it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 23, 2015, 04:42:41 pm
Don't worry, I saved enough. What this world came to if a rich man ( :imaposer:) can't get a bike he wants??? O0

Seriously, I almost pulled a trigger on that 690RR Minxy bought, but then imagined hassle of trying to get parts and stuff (hard enough on Tenere) and passed. That bike would be ideal adventure bike IMO - my understanding is that as 700cc (or 720cc?) and carbed it is also very reliable, for a KTM that is  ;).
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on July 23, 2015, 04:46:02 pm
If you are looking at sub 200 wet, you are in 650 single territory.

What does a wet 950SE weigh?
And a wet HP2?


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 23, 2015, 04:53:13 pm
They are building cars with smaller engines, more frugal and weighs less but it seems when it comes to DS bikes the guy with the biggest displacement and HP wins  :P And don't say it's so you can do tar and pillion then please go and buy a Honda Crosstourer  :deal:

Any noteworthy weight savings on modern cars come from building engines from lighter materials, switching to monocoque construction and making body panels from Aluminium or plastic rather than steel, and even in those cases you're saving single digit percentages.

It IS to do tar and a pillion...and luggage...and off road...
If a bike can focus on one thing then it can make sacrifices and be lighter. What does a double cab weigh compared to a 3 series or Willies Jeep?

The stupidly advanced BMW S1000RR weighs 197kg dry with frighteningly fragile carbon, magnesium and aluminium all over the place.

15kg extra gives you spoked wheels, an actual subframe, a metal bashplate, a pillion seat made for actual people, suspension with three times the travel and designed to take a beating. Not bad in my books.

1. Lightweight and reliable for me please.
2. Old R1200GS with a drive shaft is dry 203 kg and 229kg wet with 200 cc more. Where is those 14 kgs?

Look, if the weight doesn't bother and you like this bike, go for it and enjoy. I will have to continue looking for something to modify - or just ride my Tenere until something more suitable comes up.

1. Better start saving
2. No ABS so you're comparing to the 208kg Africa Twin but still, BMW did bloody well keeping that bike light. Engine + frame + wheels. Done.

Weight certainly does bother me but we have to be reasonable. Honda could throw a magnesium and carbon fibre at this thing and get it under 200kg but it would cost at least R30k more and no-one would buy it.

Cant we just have a 650 Twin in a 690 more or less frame?
Did you guys know that the BMW XChallenge almost had a  550cc 77 degree Vtwin engine derived from Aprillia. Apparently BMW and Aprillia couldn't agree on a mutual beneficial agreement. That would have been a thing.

Now why can't we see that type of bike +-500cc Vtwin or Parallel twin engine in a KTM690 type frame , 21" front, switchable ABS, and a nice screen.
It will be nice on the highway, smoother, better power etc than a single and still as light I'm sure. Even if they add 25kg's to the whole package it will still be 160 -170kg and that is damn good. Price it around R99000.

Are there not enough people looking for these type of bikes?

Someone wake Yamaha up!


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Mantis on July 23, 2015, 05:06:27 pm
I don't think they will be able to do that at under R100k as the 660Z must be over R100k by now or close. The price of the twin motor will push the price up by quite a bit. I like the idea though.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr Zog on July 23, 2015, 05:52:13 pm
Too many electronics.

Too heavy.

And the kicker, WAY too expensive.

I'll stick to my Africa Single a bit longer...  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2015, 05:53:23 pm
They are building cars with smaller engines, more frugal and weighs less but it seems when it comes to DS bikes the guy with the biggest displacement and HP wins  :P And don't say it's so you can do tar and pillion then please go and buy a Honda Crosstourer  :deal:

Any noteworthy weight savings on modern cars come from building engines from lighter materials, switching to monocoque construction and making body panels from Aluminium or plastic rather than steel, and even in those cases you're saving single digit percentages.

It IS to do tar and a pillion...and luggage...and off road...
If a bike can focus on one thing then it can make sacrifices and be lighter. What does a double cab weigh compared to a 3 series or Willies Jeep?

The stupidly advanced BMW S1000RR weighs 197kg dry with frighteningly fragile carbon, magnesium and aluminium all over the place.

15kg extra gives you spoked wheels, an actual subframe, a metal bashplate, a pillion seat made for actual people, suspension with three times the travel and designed to take a beating. Not bad in my boo
1. Lightweight and reliable for me please.
2. Old R1200GS with a drive shaft is dry 203 kg and 229kg wet with 200 cc more. Where is those 14 kgs?

Look, if the weight doesn't bother and you like this bike, go for it and enjoy. I will have to continue looking for something to modify - or just ride my Tenere until something more suitable comes up.

1. Better start saving
2. No ABS so you're comparing to the 208kg Africa Twin but still, BMW did bloody well keeping that bike light. Engine + frame + wheels. Done.

Weight certainly does bother me but we have to be reasonable. Honda could throw a magnesium and carbon fibre at this thing and get it under 200kg but it would cost at least R30k more and no-one would buy it.
No reason a bike like the XT660Z should weigh the same as a KTM 950 twin. Modern bikes can be made to be lightweight, it is just not a priority for most it seems. Fact remains lighter weight gives you more confidence and makes the bike more enjoyable offroad. When the fun stuff starts it means I would have to turn around or stuff up the bike and myself. I just dont see why all new dual sport bikes needs to be 1000 and or be a fatty.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Jakkals on July 23, 2015, 07:11:18 pm
http://www.africatwinforum.com/forum/97-crf1000l-africa-twin-news/1114-honda-portugal-leaks-africa-twin-specs.html#post7458 (http://www.africatwinforum.com/forum/97-crf1000l-africa-twin-news/1114-honda-portugal-leaks-africa-twin-specs.html#post7458)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 23, 2015, 07:18:50 pm
The links posted about the GS800 looks much more spectacular, and even the original Triumph XC800 promotion vid's.....but pardon me for reminding you okes very early on already in this thread that what you describe already exist in 800cc form from both BMW and Triumph.
Yes I was hopeful too as this was the long awaiting bike of the century!
I also said Honda will play safe and to be safe you got to be reliable and this engine (I think) at 75kw (Same as 800XC) is tuned to protect the engine and to safe guard Honda's 'reliable image'.
But still.....I would not mind having one for I am not a riding god but just a simple man enjoying the touring and adventure, and for that purpose the bike will just be perfect. It will also pillion great, and it will overland great.
Ask Schalk, the road to Egypt (as I know it) is not technical at all, you can do it with a Vespa as well.
So yes, a good alternative to the other 'touring orientated adventure bikes'.
Honda bikes has never been cheap for long, the only 'cheap Honda' was the NC700 when it came in at R60K.....today a DC NC750 will cost you just over R90K.
If this bike is too expensive, you can settle for any other 800 with similar power to weight figures.....
Agree on 2 things: it sounds great and it looks stunning
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on July 23, 2015, 07:24:20 pm
I'll take the white one please and for now, at least untill I try one, no handbrake.

 8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on July 23, 2015, 10:02:39 pm
I'll stick with my XR650L tank empty weight 135kg for now and for the rest of my life happily. In the meantime devising a plan to get rid of Dirty Harry's R80GS and my NC700X to
to put a R100K downpayment down on the CRF 1000L for deposit. It's a big maybe in my life but I will wait for proper motorcycle reviews first. Then read between the lines to see
if the new big red pig is worthy of my attention. Looks good so far but the sheer mass of the CRF 1000 if the latest news is correct is a cause of concern.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: AJBotha on July 23, 2015, 10:37:58 pm
That clutch thing looks pretty cool too me! Looks and sounds good too!


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Title: Re:
Post by: Avontier on July 24, 2015, 12:11:55 am
Too heavy. Was getting really excited for a while.

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BLK on July 24, 2015, 08:05:21 am
I will stick with my STD F800 which is still the  best of a bad bunch

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on July 24, 2015, 08:15:42 am
ADVpulse put out this:
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/2016-honda-africa-twin-may-not-be-what-we-hoped/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/2016-honda-africa-twin-may-not-be-what-we-hoped/)

2016 Honda Africa Twin Specifications

Wheelbase: 62.0 in (1,575 mm)
Ground clearance: 9.8 in (250 mm)
Seat height (hi/low): 34.2/33.4 in (870/850 mm)
Dry Weight: STD – 458 lbs (208kg), ABS – 467 lbs (212kg), DCT – 458 lbs (222kg)
Wet weight: STD – 502 lbs (228kg), ABS – 511 lbs (232kg), DCT – 533 lbs (242kg)
Engine type: 4-stroke, liquid-cooled, 8-valve, Parallel Twin, 270° crankshaft, Unicam System
Bore x stroke: 92.0 mm x 75.1 mm
Displacement: 998cc
Max Power: 93.9 hp (70 kW) @ 7,500 rpm
Max Torque: 72.3 lb-ft (98 Nm) @ 6,000 rpm
Frame Type:Semi-double cradle steel; rear sub-frame in high-strength steel
Transmission: 6-speed/6-speed DCT with on and off-road driving modes
Traction Control: HSTC 3 levels + off switch (only ABS and DCT versions)
Clutch: Wet, multi-disc with coil springs
Final Drive: O-ring Chain
Brakes Front: 310 mm twin floating discs, radial calipers with 4 pistons (ABS) sintered pads
Brakes Rear: 256 mm single disc, 2-piston calipers (ABS) sintered pads, (DCT) parking brake
ABS System: ABS 2 channels switch off the rear ABS (ABS and DCT versions only)
Wheels/Tires Front: 21-inch wire-spoke aluminum rim with 90/90-R21 tube type tire
Wheels/Tires Rear: 18-inch wire-spoke aluminum rim with 150/70-R18 tube type tire
Fuel tank capacity: 5.0 gal (18.8 liter)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 24, 2015, 08:36:17 am
funny how seemingly so many are not happy with weight, not only in SA I take it, so the actual 'adventure' market is beyond us if everybody is not as concerned about weight as we are OR, they attempt to get it as light as possible, factoring in reliability and selling price like someone said OR, those who are unhappy about the weight need to find a way to ride these heavy pigs like those test riders do, OR modify at cost to make it lighter, perhaps KTM 690 with bigger tanks, etc
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on July 24, 2015, 08:45:52 am
So far the  Standard version's specs look the same as the 650 transalp.... except with twice the power.... could be interesting . :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 08:51:36 am
Curious about the "Unicam System"
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2015, 08:57:21 am
Curious about the "Unicam System"
Been in the CRF 450 for ages

http://powersports.honda.com/experience/articles/090111c0811a9fc2.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/experience/articles/090111c0811a9fc2.aspx)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 09:08:00 am
Curious about the "Unicam System"
Been in the CRF 450 for ages

http://powersports.honda.com/experience/articles/090111c0811a9fc2.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/experience/articles/090111c0811a9fc2.aspx)

Ah ok. Googling "Unicam" didn't get me very far. Adding CRF450 to the mix helped.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 24, 2015, 09:46:49 am
My take on the specs.

If i had an 800GS,Triumph Tiger 800,KTM950/990 etc i wouldnt exactly be lining up to trade in but if i was realtively new into the "adv" bike market or looking to upgrade maybe from a 650GS,KLR,650 VStrom or Transalp this new African Twin is a very very viable option. I quiet like it. Weight and all. For 90% of us is will be just fine and its a HONDA  :headbang:

Price is going to have a fairly big say in its success i think.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on July 24, 2015, 10:15:03 am
I am a bit disappointed in the power & weight figures if I('m honest...  :(

I was looking forward to trading the 2010 GSA (243kg dry, I think) for something lighter, similar power being a new design, 21" front wheel and not GSA LC Prices....

Seems maybe I will still be in luck with the 21" front wheel? And even that is tubed?

Might have to hold onto Lump a little longer.....  :)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 24, 2015, 10:44:14 am
I don't think they will be able to do that at under R100k as the 660Z must be over R100k by now or close. The price of the twin motor will push the price up by quite a bit. I like the idea though.

Indeed.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2015, 10:45:38 am
The Japanese will always be holding back on the power output of it's dual sport bikes. Expect the market to be flooded with aftermarket power commanders, pipes and chips but you are still going to be down on the Euro's.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 24, 2015, 11:47:02 am
This seems to be the official Honda info:

http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/58407/the-new-16ym-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin (http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/58407/the-new-16ym-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin)

some new pics:

http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/58407/photos (http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/58407/photos)

And suspension travel - not sure if official

TheRideAdvice.com:
Front fork diameter is 45mm while suspension travel across all three models is 230mm at the front and 220mm at the rear - that puts it just ahead of the KTM 1190 which many feel this model will compete against.

Price starts in Europe at 12,100 E according to a Czech bike site.

Here are the images in high resolution, for those of you who want study details:

http://postimg.org/gallery/3jbfm6uzg/ (http://postimg.org/gallery/3jbfm6uzg/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 12:01:48 pm
Prices start at €12,100. The KTM 1050's price is listed as €12,700.

Using a broad assumption, that 5% difference puts the South African Africa Twin price at R140,420...for the non ABS version at least.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: teebag on July 24, 2015, 12:02:45 pm
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-specs/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-specs/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 24, 2015, 12:05:26 pm
Very nice looking bike i must say. Love the light cluster configuration.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 12:08:27 pm
First look at the crash bars and instruments...

(http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/photo/images/27.jpg)

(http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/photo/images/13.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 24, 2015, 12:10:26 pm
Is that adjustable suspension I see....?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on July 24, 2015, 12:15:33 pm
Standard model has about the same dry weight as the old AT. Its not a scrambler...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 12:20:34 pm
Is that adjustable suspension I see....?

Yup, the Showa front forks are described as being "fully adjustable", while the rear only has "hydraulic spring-preload adjustment".
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 24, 2015, 12:23:37 pm
Im liking this bike. Looks good. R140K puts it right into 800GS and Tiger 800 bracket
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 12:32:24 pm
Im liking this bike. Looks good. R140K puts it right into 800GS and Tiger 800 bracket

Assuming my assumption on converting the price from Euro is accurate then I think they've priced it just right - right between the 800cc and 1200cc competition.

R140k is no ABS or traction control mind you. If you want the same spec as the most recent 800GS or XC then you'd want the ABS version which will probably be a solid R20k more, making it considerably more expensive than the very similarly specced KTM 1050.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on July 24, 2015, 01:58:29 pm
Sorry - but I really do not understand all the criticism about Power & Weight... as if we are the industry experts!!  ::)

To me the spec's says 3 things:
1.   It's a Honda - so it must be basically unbreakable....
2.   If it was lighter it would either have been "weaker" or too expensive!!
3.   If it was more powerful it would have been less reliable - KTM/BMW LC'ish ya know... (although experience have taught me that 1 Honda hp is usually bigger than 1 standard hp ...  :peepwall: :peepwall:)

I'm sure the aftermarket will easily extract much more power from that motor, but meanwhile 99% of us wouldn't even be able to exploit remotely everything it has in standard form...  :patch:

SO yes - typical Honda they have a conservative approach putting safety; reliability; ease of use and off course quality above "boyhood - wish lists"...  O0 ...and by the sound of things at this stage they've added economy and an adrenalin rush that will probably shock the spec sheet brigade ...  :peepwall: :pot:

I want the CRF Rally colours in standard spec please!!!  :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 02:03:16 pm
<words of wisdom>

Yes! Thank you! Finally someone with their head screwed on straight. I think the price/weight/power/torque numbers are all spot on and, as you say, if any of those numbers were significantly better then there would have been a price and/or reliability sacrifice.

I'm just amazed at how everyone was "Ya ok" with the KTM 1050Adv which has the same power, torque and weight and 45mm less suspension travel, but the AT attracts this criticism.

P.S. Tri-colour with gold wheels for me please, and I'll be ticking the "Performance silencer" option  >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on July 24, 2015, 02:10:34 pm
<words of wisdom>

Yes! Thank you! Finally someone with their head screwed on straight. I think the price/weight/power/torque numbers are all spot on and, as you say, if any of those numbers were significantly better then there would have been a price and/or reliability sacrifice.

I'm just amazed at how everyone was "Ya ok" with the KTM 1050Adv which has the same power, torque and weight and 45mm less suspension travel, but the AT attracts this criticism.

P.S. Tri-colour with gold wheels for me please, and I'll be ticking the "Performance silencer" option  >:D

Same here. 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2015, 02:26:29 pm
This bike is not better or "new" than any dual sport we have seen to date. To me it looks just like a Triumph or GS 800, cant see why people will fall over there feet to run to the Honda dealership. Yes it's going to be reliable but so is a Toyota Corolla. On the plus side the dash looks pretty rad.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2015, 02:28:06 pm
Sorry - but I really do not understand all the criticism about Power & Weight... as if we are the industry experts!!  ::)

To me the spec's says 3 things:
1.   It's a Honda - so it must be basically unbreakable....
2.   If it was lighter it would either have been "weaker" or too expensive!!
3.   If it was more powerful it would have been less reliable - KTM/BMW LC'ish ya know... (although experience have taught me that 1 Honda hp is usually bigger than 1 standard hp ...  :peepwall: :peepwall:)

I'm sure the aftermarket will easily extract much more power from that motor, but meanwhile 99% of us wouldn't even be able to exploit remotely everything it has in standard form...  :patch:

SO yes - typical Honda they have a conservative approach putting safety; reliability; ease of use and off course quality above "boyhood - wish lists"...  O0 ...and by the sound of things at this stage they've added economy and an adrenalin rush that will probably shock the spec sheet brigade ...  :peepwall: :pot:

I want the CRF Rally colours in standard spec please!!!  :drif: :drif: :drif:
You have a CRF1000L as your avatar and hence totally biased  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 24, 2015, 02:30:38 pm
Is that adjustable suspension I see....?

Yup, the Showa front forks are described as being "fully adjustable", while the rear only has "hydraulic spring-preload adjustment".


Pretty good!


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 24, 2015, 02:39:39 pm
This bike is not better or "new" than any dual sport we have seen to date. To me it looks just like a Triumph or GS 800, cant see why people will fall over there feet to run to the Honda dealership. Yes it's going to be reliable but so is a Toyota Corolla. On the plus side the dash looks pretty rad.

I think this is the point most are missing.

We are not saying it's kak. But the press, Honda...etc have been touting this thing as the second coming and the gift to adventure bike kind for a long time now.
Yet...looking at capability and spec other than DCT (Which I still think will be kak for offroad....how do you feather this thing in slow 1st gear type of stuff? Unless is it like a Recluse clutch...in that case I can dig it) it's competing with a 8-9 year old bike thats lighter, almost as powerful from a 200cc less engine, and one thats cheaper to buy and probably cheaper to run in say a 5 year ownership period with A LOT more aftermarket and spares available.

The Honda fans is creaming their pants at the specs saying this is like a whole new offroad marvel...I read it...then re-read it to see what I'm missing.... yeah it's a cool bike and I'm also excited to have more competition and it will be good but...really,....it's kind of a same old same same bike imho.

The ONLY thing that makes me sit up and say yeah man thats cool, is the adjustable forks and the looks.
So unless you absolutely HAVE to have a Honda.... other manufacturers BMW, KTM, Triumph have similar bikes in their pen for years.

Honda played catchup...and ONLY did that.
They caught up. They didn't surpass anyone here.

Do I want to ride one. Hell yes. I esp like the White one.


* zips up flame suit *  :peepwall:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2015, 02:43:55 pm
This bike is not better or "new" than any dual sport we have seen to date. To me it looks just like a Triumph or GS 800, cant see why people will fall over there feet to run to the Honda dealership. Yes it's going to be reliable but so is a Toyota Corolla. On the plus side the dash looks pretty rad.

I think this is the point most are missing.

We are not saying it's kak. But the press, Honda...etc have been touting this thing as the second coming and the gift to adventure bike kind for a long time now.
Yet...looking at capability and spec other than DCT (Which I still think will be kak for offroad....how do you feather this thing in slow 1st gear type of stuff? Unless is it like a Recluse clutch...in that case I can dig it) it's competing with a 8-9 year old bike thats lighter, almost as powerful from a 200cc less engine, and one thats cheaper to buy and probably cheaper to run in say a 5 year ownership period with A LOT more aftermarket and spares available.

The Honda fans is creaming their pants at the specs saying this is like a whole new offroad marvel...I read it...then re-read it to see what I'm missing.... yeah it's a cool bike and I'm also excited to have more competition and it will be good but...really,....it's kind of a same old same same bike imho.

The ONLY thing that makes me sit up and say yeah man thats cool, is the adjustable forks and the looks.
So unless you absolutely HAVE to have a Honda.... other manufacturers BMW, KTM, Triumph have similar bikes in their pen for years.

Honda played catchup...and ONLY did that.
They caught up. They didn't surpass anyone here.

Do I want to ride one. Hell yes. I esp like the White one.



Give that man a Bells  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 24, 2015, 02:47:20 pm
P.S. Tri-colour with gold wheels for me please, and I'll be ticking the "Performance silencer" option  >:D

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on July 24, 2015, 02:59:32 pm


We are not saying it's kak. But the press, Honda...etc have been touting this thing as the second coming and the gift to adventure bike kind for a long time now.



It's called marketing, and people have been doing it for decades.


Yes, on paper it's much of sameness to the 800GS, 800XC, etc.

But: and now you have to have owned a previous AT to really get what I'm saying:

There just was something special about the previous AT. Yes it was undersprung, heavy, slow-ish, etc. But the whole package, taken together, was very very special. Emotionally stirring, even. Remember, we are not talking race bikes, we are talking travellers. Bikes you can live with every day. You WANT to ride every day.

Paper tells you facts, but facts does not tell the whole story.

If Honda has managed to put the ghost into the machine like they did with the old generation AT, then this bike gets a big thumbs up from me.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 03:09:32 pm
There just was something special about the previous AT. Yes it was undersprung, heavy, slow-ish, etc. But the whole package, taken together, was very very special. Emotionally stirring, even. Remember, we are not talking race bikes, we are talking travellers. Bikes you can live with every day. You WANT to ride every day.

Paper tells you facts, but facts does not tell the whole story.

If Honda has managed to put the ghost into the machine like they did with the old generation AT, then this bike gets a big thumbs up from me.

Very well said, Kaboef. The numbers only tell half the story.

On paper my Transalp is terrible...like really bad, but 54000km later I'm dreading the day I have to say goodbye, even if it's to say hello to a shiny new AT.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 24, 2015, 03:14:40 pm
shut up and take my money... if this launches there will be one in my garage one day.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on July 24, 2015, 03:17:10 pm
At the end of the day nobody will ever build another SE / HP2 type of bike; so if that's what you are all dreaming about, forget it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tp007 on July 24, 2015, 03:19:09 pm
This bike is not better or "new" than any dual sport we have seen to date. To me it looks just like a Triumph or GS 800, cant see why people will fall over there feet to run to the Honda dealership. Yes it's going to be reliable but so is a Toyota Corolla. On the plus side the dash looks pretty rad.

I think this is the point most are missing.

We are not saying it's kak. But the press, Honda...etc have been touting this thing as the second coming and the gift to adventure bike kind for a long time now.
Yet...looking at capability and spec other than DCT (Which I still think will be kak for offroad....how do you feather this thing in slow 1st gear type of stuff? Unless is it like a Recluse clutch...in that case I can dig it) it's competing with a 8-9 year old bike thats lighter, almost as powerful from a 200cc less engine, and one thats cheaper to buy and probably cheaper to run in say a 5 year ownership period with A LOT more aftermarket and spares available.

The Honda fans is creaming their pants at the specs saying this is like a whole new offroad marvel...I read it...then re-read it to see what I'm missing.... yeah it's a cool bike and I'm also excited to have more competition and it will be good but...really,....it's kind of a same old same same bike imho.

The ONLY thing that makes me sit up and say yeah man thats cool, is the adjustable forks and the looks.
So unless you absolutely HAVE to have a Honda.... other manufacturers BMW, KTM, Triumph have similar bikes in their pen for years.

Honda played catchup...and ONLY did that.
They caught up. They didn't surpass anyone here.

Do I want to ride one. Hell yes. I esp like the White one.



Give that man a Bells  :thumleft:
And another point to consider is dealing with HondaSA and the stealers' KAARK attitude towards aftersales service.

I love Honda Bikes but they are expensive compared to their competitors.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vis Arend on July 24, 2015, 03:20:36 pm
I will take the red one with gold rims.  Now just to get a proper Honda dealer to do the deal.   :patch:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 24, 2015, 03:21:09 pm
Looks like the bashplate and hand guards will be after market - there is pics with the bike without them - I liked the old AT with the built in bashplate - the world is heading after market profits so no revolution there  - this is  gonna up the price some more on this bike - the old AT was pretty much travel ready
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on July 24, 2015, 03:21:49 pm
Both AT and TA ticked some very important boxes for a DS travelling bike....

Spoke wheels
21 inch front
Carbs ( some will dispute this)
Packable and comfy
Reliable

I reserve judgement on this one.  Getting the ghost back in a machine takes more than printing the name of a legend on its tank.  Should have called it something else?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 24, 2015, 03:25:00 pm
Looks like the bashplate and hand guards will be after market - there is pics with the bike without them - I liked the old AT with the built in bashplate - the world is heading after market profits so no revolution there  - this is  gonna up the price some more on this bike - the old AT was pretty much travel ready

I was looking at that as well. It seems the non ABS version gets a much smaller (maybe plastic) bash plate and loses out on hand guards.
The ABS and DCT versions get a decent sized metal bash plate and wrap-around hand guards.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 24, 2015, 03:31:09 pm
I reckon its all going to be add on - add on to the price for every little bit
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gsjoe on July 24, 2015, 04:12:20 pm
Saw this today, don't know if its been posted already

http://bikes.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/coming-soon/2015-africa-twin/overview.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Textlink%20Africa%20Twin&utm_campaign=Newsletter (http://bikes.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/coming-soon/2015-africa-twin/overview.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Textlink%20Africa%20Twin&utm_campaign=Newsletter)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 24, 2015, 04:16:09 pm
If only it was closer to those "Dakar Jobies"  :(

 :deal:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: eddyVN on July 24, 2015, 04:41:55 pm
It looks bloody awesome, but it will need some test driving for sure


The specs are almost spot on the 800Xc (my current bike) in many aspects

power and fuel tank is exactly the same

tiger weighs 221 wet vs 228 wet for the AT

Honda has more torque, which could be awesome, but thats about it. So time will have to tell

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on July 24, 2015, 04:50:03 pm
I for one am dissapointed. I guess the 80/90's aren't back after all.

Front looks good but then the seat and rear end looks like one of those horses with a wonky back and a non-sensically high luggage area. I won't be fighting you okes in the queue, go ahead.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on July 24, 2015, 10:06:28 pm
On Motorrad.de there's a short article and they mention a price has been confirmed for the non ABS version at 12 100 Euros - that's R163K at an exchange rate of 13.5
My XR which cost me R60K with all mods included and weighs 149kg with a full tank
The new AT at R163K weighs 228 kg with a full tank

XR - R 60 000 divided by 149kg = R 402.68 per kg

New AT - R 163 000 divided by 228kg = R 714.91 per kg

Which bike would you rather pick up when it falls over? So it looks like I'm gonna be on my XR for a while longer  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wolf skaap on July 24, 2015, 11:34:39 pm
Plaas gaan maak hul eerder 'n 700cc "ktm 690 adventure"-klas bike!  :-[
Maar nee, lyk my die res van die wereld se bikers is besig om poefters te raak wat bree, sagte sitplekke vir hul over-utilised sphincters benodig.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 24, 2015, 11:56:39 pm
Me I figure with any bike that weighs above 200kg one would use it for blasting up to Malawi or through to Moz , those open dirt roads and tar sections would be great for those 1000cc's , so I think this kind of bike is a round the world or country to country traveller , those extra 20 - 30kg's will be worth their weight in gold or should I say mile eating pleasure . The drone , lack of wind protection , lack of  top end speed and vibration on my KLR can be quite tiring . That said when it pisses with rain here on the garden route and my road turns into a muddy , snotty quagmire even my KLR is too big and I opt for the CT110 to head to the local shop for ciggies , its easy to balance upright I can put both feet down and picking her up is a pleasure- different bikes for different purposes .  A bike like an AT is just one of the bigger bikes - the ones for blasting up to Malawi for a swim :) yeeha
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 25, 2015, 07:07:46 am
On Motorrad.de there's a short article and they mention a price has been confirmed for the non ABS version at 12 100 Euros - that's R163K at an exchange rate of 13.5
My XR which cost me R60K with all mods included and weighs 149kg with a full tank
The new AT at R163K weighs 228 kg with a full tank

XR - R 60 000 divided by 149kg = R 402.68 per kg

New AT - R 163 000 divided by 228kg = R 714.91 per kg

Which bike would you rather pick up when it falls over? So it looks like I'm gonna be on my XR for a while longer  :ricky:

I based my R135k estimate on the KTM 1050 being €12700 on the German KTM web site and R140k on the South African one.

I really hope it's not R163k for the base model!  :-[
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on July 25, 2015, 09:36:42 am
On Motorrad.de there's a short article and they mention a price has been confirmed for the non ABS version at 12 100 Euros - that's R163K at an exchange rate of 13.5
My XR which cost me R60K with all mods included and weighs 149kg with a full tank
The new AT at R163K weighs 228 kg with a full tank

XR - R 60 000 divided by 149kg = R 402.68 per kg

New AT - R 163 000 divided by 228kg = R 714.91 per kg

Which bike would you rather pick up when it falls over? So it looks like I'm gonna be on my XR for a while longer  :ricky:

With that analogy you should go out and buy an XR125.....

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on July 25, 2015, 10:30:07 am
Just get on the thing and ride it FFS...... Rate it via the "Smile Factor"
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fudge on July 25, 2015, 11:34:09 am
 :lol8: You have to love all the opinions about a bike that no-one here has even laid eyes on, nevermind ride.

One thing to keep in mind about the weight, is the distribution thereof. Puts me in mind of this: all these women weigh the same amount – 70kg. From the photos and the videos, it looks like this AT is more Solveig than Dianne or Nikki :pot:
(http://www.fitgirlcode.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Schermafbeelding-2014-09-30-om-15.18.59.jpg)

(http://www.tourenfahrer.de/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/bmw_f800gs_03.jpg)

(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/2015-Triumph-Tiger-800XC.jpg)

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2016-honda-africa-twin-specs.jpg)

Fact of the matter, this bike weighs the same as the old Africa Twin, despite having an extra gear and a bunch of nifty electronics. It is also a fair bit more powerful despite being detuned, and can be expected to be more fuel efficient. The suspension travel looks really good from what I can gather. Overall, it looks like a well-balanced package.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 25, 2015, 01:50:22 pm
... it looks like this AT is more Solveig than Dianne or Nikki

Wow, I was wondering what to name my new bike  :o
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 25, 2015, 02:07:01 pm
at least it doesn't have a beak  :)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 25, 2015, 05:48:54 pm
So the Showa suspension vs the WP suspension on the XCX - Power to weight already better on the XCX......The bike every one wanted the AT to be is already available.
So I am also riding a Honda, love my Honda and will hold on to it for probably years to come. But have any of the Honda fans (like me) recently received good service from a Honda dealer and which dealer was the good one?
I tried a few, and they can't even come up with a solution to make my spare key work (HISS System) other than to replace the whole thing at you don't even want to know price! I had to google and ask and eventually got sorted privately for a couple bucks not even worth to mention.
So no need to get agro or sarcastic: tell me where do we find the good Honda workshops (factory workshops - at dealers) in Gauteng.
Every time I want something I need to google, or need to go to Runner (which I don't mind, I like his shop and my bike is long years out of warranty)
Why is Triumph doing less good than they should? Because of the same issue.
Why is BMW doing Brilliant especially in the GS800? Because they have workshops that support their products - I can name a few in Gauteng with excellent service.
It seems however that 2stroke Dan is challenged for the spoon here by some 'Honda' family members, who will sing the praises and reminds me a lot of when Trailrider was on the forum....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on July 26, 2015, 01:42:44 am
Yep, I can see myself on this ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 26, 2015, 09:03:40 am
Totally with you on the servicing story. Honda have generally been good to me but there have been enough complete and utter failures that my confidence in them is waning.
After sales service counts for a lot.

However

So the Showa suspension vs the WP suspension on the XCX - Power to weight already better on the XCX......The bike every one wanted the AT to be is already available.

How often do you use full power on any adventure bike? When was the last time you took your Transalp to red line?
Everyone is so focused on max power and it means little to nothing, especially on a bike like this.

The Africa Twin has nearly 25% more torque to weight than the Triumph. 10% better than the surprisingly light F800GS too.
In fact the only bike with better torque to weight and <1200cc is the 990.

That, plus the additional suspension travel and ground clearance make this a much better off-road machine.
Showa vs WP is a debate all on its own; I think they're close enough to be called the same unless you're a professional rider of some sort.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cracker on July 26, 2015, 09:49:18 am
I like it - a lot  :thumleft:

Except for that exhaust - that looks ridiculous - and leaves no space for panniers, etc - can't fit a tank bag either

But fit an aftermarket can and give it a tail tidy and you've got the best looking bike
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2015, 09:51:59 am
I like it - a lot  :thumleft:

Except for that exhaust - that looks ridiculous - and leaves no space for panniers, etc - can't fit a tank bag either

But fit an aftermarket can and give it a tail tidy and you've got the best looking bike

Panniers can't be an issue.  The bike itself makes provision for OEM panniers.  The exhaust doesn't look any bigger than any of the modern DS bikes anyway.

Why no tankbag?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cracker on July 26, 2015, 10:11:12 am
Physically it'll fit but aesthetically it won't.

And the exhaust looks too big for that bike - out of proportion, I'd say.

I'm basing my view on the 3 pics of the Honda, the Triumph and the BMW - but seeing one 'in the flesh' might be different
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: alli on July 26, 2015, 04:49:18 pm
https://youtu.be/JzT_bKsItLA

A bit of action at last, the AT in motion
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 26, 2015, 07:28:13 pm
Totally with you on the servicing story. Honda have generally been good to me but there have been enough complete and utter failures that my confidence in them is waning.
After sales service counts for a lot.

However

So the Showa suspension vs the WP suspension on the XCX - Power to weight already better on the XCX......The bike every one wanted the AT to be is already available.

How often do you use full power on any adventure bike? When was the last time you took your Transalp to red line?
Everyone is so focused on max power and it means little to nothing, especially on a bike like this.

The Africa Twin has nearly 25% more torque to weight than the Triumph. 10% better than the surprisingly light F800GS too.
In fact the only bike with better torque to weight and <1200cc is the 990.

That, plus the additional suspension travel and ground clearance make this a much better off-road machine.
Showa vs WP is a debate all on its own; I think they're close enough to be called the same unless you're a professional rider of some sort.

Yes you got me.....I am happy (more than happy) with my 650 Alp. An yes, for a guy riding like me a state of the art suspension is not really going to help me much either. I just want to make a point, the XCX is very well equipped and even the GS800 and will seemingly cost much less, but lets wait for the final price in SA. I just compare what is already confirmed with the 800 class and my argument is actually quite simple: Guys wanted a light monster, reliable and great for a lot of ds applications and I am sure a lot will now that they have seen the stats hold on to a GS800 for example....The new twin weights like someone pointed out somewhere above the same as a 1200 wet. So what is the point then if you prefer light ds bike that can tour? Both 800's tour rather well and easy to pick up.

An then like I heard today one guy was complaining that it is not tubeless and that he is off the buy the mag wheeled 1050  KTM or the DL1000 because he is just using his bike for touring and gravel roads, no real off road. Something to think about when one is a bit older and like traveling alone. Not fun to change a tube alone next to the road. However, that is not a stopper for me, my Alp is tubed and I am still happy to change a tube if I have to. 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 26, 2015, 08:20:05 pm
In a sense, this shows how difficult it is to get a DS bike below 220kg, the fact that BMW and KTM got their 1200s around 230kg is actually an achievement
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 26, 2015, 08:33:07 pm
In a sense, this shows how difficult it is to get a DS bike below 220kg, the fact that BMW and KTM got their 1200s around 230kg is actually an achievement

This is because riders have moved away from the pure essence of D/S bikes, to the complicated world of electronically complicated multi-cylinder machines.
It is actually very easy to get way below 220kgs, but not if you want a twin/triple or 4cylinder.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 26, 2015, 09:41:55 pm

This is because riders have moved away from the pure essence of D/S bikes, to the complicated world of electronically complicated multi-cylinder machines.
It is actually very easy to get way below 220kgs, but not if you want a twin/triple or 4cylinder.

I was very interested in this new AT as Honda was making noise that this is going to be a game changer - which I hoped to be lightweight (I'm no expert on Honda - I actually seriously dislike the brand - but my understanding it that they have made revolutionary lightweight 900RR CBR, or something like that - and by the way that bike was mentioned in one of the early Honda AT videos). I didn't expect miracles, but if it would match or slightly beat my current bike - awfully heavy Tenere at 208 kg wet, there wouldn't be much to think about.

The way I see it now, Honda didn't change the game, just added another bike into already crowded segment - it has things going for it (wheel size, looks and maybe suspension), but they didn't change the game - just entered it matching more or less what is out there.

I have Tenere now, and for a next bike would be perfectly happy if Yamaha keeps it the same except, give us 700 cc engine (which they have been using in quads for ever), lose that idiotic high rear end, put in real suspension and 18 inch wheel, and lose 10 - 15 kgs. That would be perfect just perfect.

Sadly I think it is not going to happen, as it didn't happen with this AT.

Well anyway, for those who like new AT and are going to buy one - enjoy it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 26, 2015, 09:52:03 pm

This is because riders have moved away from the pure essence of D/S bikes, to the complicated world of electronically complicated multi-cylinder machines.
It is actually very easy to get way below 220kgs, but not if you want a twin/triple or 4cylinder.

I was very interested in this new AT as Honda was making noise that this is going to be a game changer - which I hoped to be lightweight (I'm no expert on Honda - I actually seriously dislike the brand - but my understanding it that they have made revolutionary lightweight 900RR CBR, or something like that - and by the way that bike was mentioned in one of the early Honda AT videos). I didn't expect miracles, but if it would match or slightly beat my current bike - awfully heavy Tenere at 208 kg wet, there wouldn't be much to think about.

The way I see it now, Honda didn't change the game, just added another bike into already crowded segment - it has things going for it (wheel size, looks and maybe suspension), but they didn't change the game - just entered it matching more or less what is out there.

I have Tenere now, and for a next bike would be perfectly happy if Yamaha keeps it the same except, give us 700 cc engine (which they have been using in quads for ever), lose that idiotic high rear end, put in real suspension and 18 inch wheel, and lose 10 - 15 kgs. That would be perfect just perfect.

Sadly I think it is not going to happen, as it didn't happen with this AT.

Well anyway, for those who like new AT and are going to buy one - enjoy it.

Very good post......
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 26, 2015, 10:04:05 pm
XPAT what do you think of this IF it was avialable?

CB 500 X Adventure.





Note the 21" wheel is not standard and have been fitted by the owner but IF one could have it like that I think it would make a great DS bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 26, 2015, 10:15:27 pm
I don't know - could be an option, at least the wet weight is 195 kg which I would be happy with, but 45 HP? Even my Tenere (after upgrades admittedly makes probably 60 HP). From what I've read that thing struggles to get to 140 kmh, and I think that is a big dangerous on SA rides - I need a bit more power to be able to pass quickly and get out of majority of the traffic flow. And in deep sand riverbeds. And I would like to see the rear shock - what is the travel? That is major problem I don't know how to work around on my Tenere (I swapped forks for WP).

But yes, it may be an interesting option. It just looks horribly bland to me - if they can make what Honda Thailand did with this bikes and push up power a bit, I would be probably all over it.

I know Jenny Morgan of Dakar fame has worked closely with Rally Raid making CB500X into better adventurer, and is now crossing USA on TAT on one - and she can take it to places I would hesitate to go on Tenere (see the report here if interested: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/trans-am-500-the-seven-year-itch.1061450/page-21#post-27181908 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/trans-am-500-the-seven-year-itch.1061450/page-21#post-27181908) - it has also links to what the RR kit gives you, which doesn't include 21 inches wheel though).

It's not a bike that catches my imagination, but so wasn't Tenere, which I ended up with now. Maybe if they can bring it with 21/18 inches, decent or easily upgradeable suspension, I would definitely have a look.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 26, 2015, 10:28:24 pm
I would definitely have very close look at this and if the power is OK ish (60 - 70 HP is fine by me) I wouldn't have a choice:

(http://idratherberidingdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/cb500x-rally-version.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: WildWood on July 26, 2015, 10:30:41 pm
I wager if Honda made a biggish adventure bike with say 700cc twin motor and left out all the gadgets, put in 690 type suspension and got the weight down to 180kg's it would be a commercial flop. Perhaps lots of initial sales then a flooded 2nd hand market. The market of real dirt riding adventure riders is very small and above 80% of the market are lifestyle riders wanting horse power and riding aids. A rough and bumpy vibrating beast will soon lose it's appeal.
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 26, 2015, 11:06:50 pm
@WildWood: I think you are right - purposeful adv bike with dirt focus is not going to be big seller.

However, the way I see it (and I know this will offend Honda fans, sorry), Honda as a brand represents dull boring practicality and reliability and nothing more - I had only one, the original AT, and that is exactly how I felt about it, no soul at all. The current offering is even worse. I think - despite their wins in the MotoGP, even in supersports nobody talks about Honda with excitement - I may be wrong there, but if right it is quite sad, as Fireblade used to be buzzword for supersport. The only exciting bike they sold in the last 20 years for me was XR650R.

It is the same with their cars - Clarkson, whatever you think about him, used to joke I think rightly, that no matter of space-ship like shape of Civic and technology they put it to appeal to younger audience, it will invariably be bought by pensioners for its practicality.

If I would be them I would try to create a bit of excitement about the brand - and what better way to do it than building focused bike, that few may buy, but most will consider a benchmark of what proper adventure bike should be? They have released recently those futuristic horrific contraptions (LN/DN something) that I think nobody in their right mind would buy and they got rightly ridiculed for - so why not rather build something that people may not buy in big numbers, but talk about with deep respect and lust after?

Look at KTM - their first really adventure bike (excluding LC4) was LC8. It sold modestly compared to the BMW. But it established them as the cult adventure bike manufacturer and eventually brought them to be the biggest European manufacturer, surpassing BMW. Now they are softening up big time (sure you have 160 HP on your bike :imaposer: - when the nanny let's you and that is very rarely), but I believe they are where they are because of the cultish image of the company created by those LC8 machines - including SE. So they are riding a wave from Hard to Soft. Honda is Soft already so needs to create new wave.

Anyway - back on topic: I wish this AT good luck. I think it will need it. As you said, probably 80% of the 'adventure' market (I think more) are the 'Keeping up with the Joneses' crowd, who are going to continue buy BMW and to lesser extent KTM and Triumph, because their social circles buy European (I've been idiot like that myself). Honda will probably make some dent in the - I think very modest - sales of Super Tenere and probably V-Strom. But both of those bikes will be better on road simply because of smaller wheels and more power. And hopefully there will be enough Honda fans - especially in US where Honda seems to have strong following - to keep this bike in production. At least it's existence may push other manufacturers to improve on their bikes or even come up with something else.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on July 27, 2015, 06:39:36 am
I'm waiting for Honda to announce that there will be an R model available at some stage. But not holding my breath
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 27, 2015, 09:08:41 am
we always talk about the adventure market, but I would like to see some states, some sales figures to get an idea. Perhaps seeing such might give us a more informed opinion, but where to get it?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 09:50:52 am
If they gave me a go at building an adventure bike :

2015 KTM 690 R rolling chassis
Lynx type fairing but oem not aftermarket
Evo 2 Tank kit
XR650R motor with e-start and 6th gear

Tadaaa, 165kg ready to ride  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 27, 2015, 10:04:13 am
If they gave me a go at building an adventure bike :

2015 KTM 690 R rolling chassis
Lynx type fairing but oem not aftermarket
Evo 2 Tank kit
XR650R motor with e-start and 6th gear

Tadaaa, 165kg ready to ride  :ricky:


and comfort seat, and touring windshield, and...here's the point of contention, one of them - I would like a twin, parallel or V if you're going to do some good touring on tar as well (and of course, that brings in a lot more weight)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 10:19:13 am
If they gave me a go at building an adventure bike :

2015 KTM 690 R rolling chassis
Lynx type fairing but oem not aftermarket
Evo 2 Tank kit
XR650R motor with e-start and 6th gear

Tadaaa, 165kg ready to ride  :ricky:


and comfort seat, and touring windshield, and...here's the point of contention, one of them - I would like a twin, parallel or V if you're going to do some good touring on tar as well (and of course, that brings in a lot more weight)
Adventure riding on tar ? Jokes, the Lynx would do the job of a windscreen, the seat were better in the later models and if they can be ridden around the world (see London to Sydney) they will do just fine for us Wilddog adventurers. Offcourse everyone has a different view of what a DS should be, for me it's getting off the beaten track and exploring the back rounds. The 690 hybrid will do that no problems with more than enough oomph for the open road.

Pretty close, softer seat, bigger tanks, HDB fairing.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 27, 2015, 10:26:20 am
yeah, sure, everyone's idea of adventure might not be the same. Singles are just not cut out, for me, to tour at highway speeds, not so much a power thing, but a smoothness thing. in the end, perhaps it's best to have two bikes.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 27, 2015, 10:38:15 am
yeah, sure, everyone's idea of adventure might not be the same. Singles are just not cut out, for me, to tour at highway speeds, not so much a power thing, but a smoothness thing. in the end, perhaps it's best to have two bikes.

Yup. When I bought my Transalp it was a choice between that and the 660. The V-twin won it for me.

I'm all for going off the beaten track, but the issue is getting to somewhere worth exploring. To me a proper dual sport should get me to Himeville in reasonable comfort and at a good speed, take me up (the old) Sani Pass without breaking a sweat, and then go bouncing over to that hill over there because it looks interesting.

If I lived in Khairkhandulaan I would ride a CRF450. If I lived in Paris I'd ride a Multistrada.
The kind of riding we have available to us in this country demands a blend of the two.
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Post by: blauth on July 27, 2015, 10:39:35 am
at least it doesn't have a beak  :)

I second that. What's with all these beaks? Like on the V-Strom    :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: blauth on July 27, 2015, 10:42:49 am
:lol8: You have to love all the opinions about a bike that no-one here has even laid eyes on, nevermind ride.

One thing to keep in mind about the weight, is the distribution thereof. Puts me in mind of this: all these women weigh the same amount – 70kg. From the photos and the videos, it looks like this AT is more Solveig than Dianne or Nikki :pot:
(http://www.fitgirlcode.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Schermafbeelding-2014-09-30-om-15.18.59.jpg)

(http://www.tourenfahrer.de/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/bmw_f800gs_03.jpg)

(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/2015-Triumph-Tiger-800XC.jpg)

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2016-honda-africa-twin-specs.jpg)

Fact of the matter, this bike weighs the same as the old Africa Twin, despite having an extra gear and a bunch of nifty electronics. It is also a fair bit more powerful despite being detuned, and can be expected to be more fuel efficient. The suspension travel looks really good from what I can gather. Overall, it looks like a well-balanced package.

The problem for me is that it's just more of the same.....so there is another big dual purpose in the market, whoopie!!! With all the hype I was desperately hoping there would be something innovative. Where's the innovation?  Um, nowhere. Not an ounce of it!!! Just another brand offering what is essentially on the market already for many many many years.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 27, 2015, 10:51:18 am
yeah, sure, everyone's idea of adventure might not be the same. Singles are just not cut out, for me, to tour at highway speeds, not so much a power thing, but a smoothness thing. in the end, perhaps it's best to have two bikes.

two bikes is the answer - if I was travelling the world my first and most important requirement would be reliable - that would be my bottom line .
I have travelled India by bike north to south on an enfield , travelled as far as Northern Namibia here in Southern Africa on a KLR so my worldly riding experience is not that great .
The average speeds in India are low due to general chaos on the road so the Enfield wasnt bad - it did break down lots but in India there a bike walllahs everywhere who know Enfields in an out . No way would I travel out of India  on one of those bikes .
The KLR was great for Namibia although on some of the long dirt roads a few more cc's would have been great . Getting to Namibia from here in Knysna was a bit tedious probably would be more so on a more extreme dirt bike .
What I am trying to say is if you want to do Van Zyl's pass etc it might be better to trailer a bike up just for sanity but if you where travelling the world the new AT if it proves to be reliable would be a good contender - you wouldn't want to ruin your world trip by taking your bike up some hectic route , well I wouldn't  .
If reliability equals 10 or 20kg more then this bike might be good .
That said if I wa heading up the west coast route of Africa I would choose a DR650 which seems to be a good combination of reliability and weight - east coast 1000+cc all the way
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on July 27, 2015, 10:53:10 am
this shows you where there priorities lie, it's being market related so the most money can be made, and with the waning economy perhaps that not a bad idea for the companies. However, for established companies that can afford taking a risk, one would like to see them do just that, perhaps they might cash in
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 27, 2015, 10:54:52 am
Ride on your mile eater to somewhere interesting and rent some plastic bike to kill in a river bed - best of both worlds
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 12:32:26 pm
two bikes is the answer

It's an answer, but not the answer.
yes, the more bikes the merrier but you can only ride one at a time.

Ride on your mile eater to somewhere interesting and rent some plastic bike to kill in a river bed - best of both worlds

I did that once. It didn't feel right.
When I leave home on my bike I want it to be with me the whole time. I want to return home after the trip and look at my dirty bike and thank it for taking me everywhere I went.
To me my bike is my home away from home, it's a companion, a tool, a way back to my family once my riding is done. I don't like renting other bikes when I have a perfectly good one standing right there.

There is nothing wrong with the new Africa Twin. It was always going to be heavy because it has a 1litre engine and it needed to be tough.
If you want a light DS bike you need a single or a small parallel twin like a KLE.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on July 27, 2015, 01:44:25 pm
If they gave me a go at building an adventure bike :

2015 KTM 690 R rolling chassis
Lynx type fairing but oem not aftermarket
Evo 2 Tank kit
XR650R motor with e-start and 6th gear

Tadaaa, 165kg ready to ride  :ricky:


and comfort seat, and touring windshield, and...here's the point of contention, one of them - I would like a twin, parallel or V if you're going to do some good touring on tar as well (and of course, that brings in a lot more weight)

Wonder if the suzuki 650 v-strom engine would work in that?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on July 27, 2015, 01:56:10 pm


There is nothing wrong with the new Africa Twin. It was always going to be heavy because it has a 1litre engine and it needed to be tough.


+1

Well said.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on July 27, 2015, 01:58:48 pm
In a sense, this shows how difficult it is to get a DS bike below 220kg, the fact that BMW and KTM got their 1200s around 230kg is actually an achievement

This is because riders have moved away from the pure essence of D/S bikes, to the complicated world of electronically complicated multi-cylinder machines.
It is actually very easy to get way below 220kgs, but not if you want a twin/triple or 4cylinder.

What is the essence of DS riding? To each the definition will differ.
Working man: Something that gives kicks both on tar and he can do gravel and maybe something more. Looking for more than just riding. Cuppa-chino at his local dealer. Accessories. Enjoying discussions with buddies with similar bikes.
Advanced or dedicated DS rider: Many on the forum here. Those that want to do more or only gravel, etc.
Tourer: Those going through Africa. Require simple and reliable bike.
Enduro DS rider: Those that want to go ride enduro terrain but want to combine it with legal/DS riding.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 27, 2015, 02:55:17 pm

What is the essence of DS riding? To each the definition will differ.
Working man: Something that gives kicks both on tar and he can do gravel and maybe something more. Looking for more than just riding. Cuppa-chino at his local dealer. Accessories. Enjoying discussions with buddies with similar bikes.
Advanced or dedicated DS rider: Many on the forum here. Those that want to do more or only gravel, etc.
Tourer: Those going through Africa. Require simple and reliable bike.
Enduro DS rider: Those that want to go ride enduro terrain but want to combine it with legal/DS riding.


Sure, this diversity of needs is obvious. The problem is that bikes offered on the market do not reflect it at all (even if you are ready to modify the bike quite a bit as I am) and that I think is the main source of frustration here for the people who hoped that AT may at least to an extent fill obvious gap - at least for me.

All the bikes currently on the market and discussed here (with exception of 690) are on the soft side of the adventure riding, emphasizing comfort and two up abilities rather than ability to do spirited long distances in on dirt - and by that I meant dirt roads and sandy riverbeds like Kaokoland or Kalahari cutlines, not Road to Hell rock climbing. Sure they may provide lots of thrills on tar (like in 160 hp), but will limit to great extent thrills on dirt. New AT IMO falls fully into this category - it's more on the dirty side of things than let's say V Strom, but still a tourer that I wouldn't like to drag through Hoanib river (that said I still reserve right still to do so in the future though  ;D).

There is nothing - and please correct me if I'm wrong here - that fills the gap between 690 (which I contrary to sidetrack do not believe can be made to great long distance spirited dirt tourer because of it's enduro geometry - and I know cause I've done that with my Husky 630, which has Lynx, big tank and luggage racks) and the heavies (the only one that comes to mind kind of is 800GS and I just don't like that bike). I hoped AT based on initial indications (21/18, hints of game changer) and looks (the bike looks great, slim for good handling off tar), may aim for that gap, which it didn't. I'm sure it is going to be great bike in what it is, but that is not what I and it seems quite a few others were looking for. My ideal bike for this (I have other bikes for other stuff, but agree with LuckyStriker that I like to do trips on one bike) would be KTM690RR, with proper stable geometry for high speed on dirt, reasonable weight (about 200 kg) and enough power - I'm perfectly happy with single.

Now I think the counter argument will be that there are too few of us to justify costs of manufacturing such a bike. I agree that there is much bigger market for the big soft-roaders. However, as far as I can see that market is already awash with many choices, and AT is up against some stiff competition and may have tough time against them due to its bigger wheels and lower power (way more than enough for me, but maybe lacking for two up or dick swinging contests). So even from business perspective (and this is of course my dumb ass analysis) I'm not sure if aiming for that smaller, but basically empty gap wouldn't make more sense.

But hey, it is what it is, I'm sure many people will enjoy new AT and us weirdos will have to wait for something else, or I'm afraid rather build the bike we need ourselves. Anybody knows by any chance about dirt cheap XT660R - ideally with 700 cc conversion  ;D.



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 03:13:53 pm
 :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 27, 2015, 03:16:46 pm
Rear brake disc guard is a nice touch
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Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 03:16:54 pm
Morsig
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: subie on July 27, 2015, 03:18:39 pm
Daar is niks groter,sterker,vinniger of mooier as my XT660R nie  :ricky:
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Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 03:20:11 pm
clocks
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on July 27, 2015, 03:22:43 pm

What is the essence of DS riding? To each the definition will differ.
Working man: Something that gives kicks both on tar and he can do gravel and maybe something more. Looking for more than just riding. Cuppa-chino at his local dealer. Accessories. Enjoying discussions with buddies with similar bikes.
Advanced or dedicated DS rider: Many on the forum here. Those that want to do more or only gravel, etc.
Tourer: Those going through Africa. Require simple and reliable bike.
Enduro DS rider: Those that want to go ride enduro terrain but want to combine it with legal/DS riding.


Sure, this diversity of needs is obvious. The problem is that bikes offered on the market do not reflect it at all (even if you are ready to modify the bike quite a bit as I am) and that I think is the main source of frustration here for the people who hoped that AT may at least to an extent fill obvious gap - at least for me.

All the bikes currently on the market and discussed here (with exception of 690) are on the soft side of the adventure riding, emphasizing comfort and two up abilities rather than ability to do spirited long distances in on dirt - and by that I meant dirt roads and sandy riverbeds like Kaokoland or Kalahari cutlines, not Road to Hell rock climbing. Sure they may provide lots of thrills on tar (like in 160 hp), but will limit to great extent thrills on dirt. New AT IMO falls fully into this category - it's more on the dirty side of things than let's say V Strom, but still a tourer that I wouldn't like to drag through Hoanib river (that said I still reserve right still to do so in the future though  ;D).

There is nothing - and please correct me if I'm wrong here - that fills the gap between 690 (which I contrary to sidetrack do not believe can be made to great long distance spirited dirt tourer because of it's enduro geometry - and I know cause I've done that with my Husky 630, which has Lynx, big tank and luggage racks) and the heavies (the only one that comes to mind kind of is 800GS and I just don't like that bike). I hoped AT based on initial indications (21/18, hints of game changer) and looks (the bike looks great, slim for good handling off tar), may aim for that gap, which it didn't. I'm sure it is going to be great bike in what it is, but that is not what I and it seems quite a few others were looking for. My ideal bike for this (I have other bikes for other stuff, but agree with LuckyStriker that I like to do trips on one bike) would be KTM690RR, with proper stable geometry for high speed on dirt, reasonable weight (about 200 kg) and enough power - I'm perfectly happy with single.

Now I think the counter argument will be that there are too few of us to justify costs of manufacturing such a bike. I agree that there is much bigger market for the big soft-roaders. However, as far as I can see that market is already awash with many choices, and AT is up against some stiff competition and may have tough time against them due to its bigger wheels and lower power (way more than enough for me, but maybe lacking for two up or dick swinging contests). So even from business perspective (and this is of course my dumb ass analysis) I'm not sure if aiming for that smaller, but basically empty gap wouldn't make more sense.

But hey, it is what it is, I'm sure many people will enjoy new AT and us weirdos will have to wait for something else, or I'm afraid rather build the bike we need ourselves. Anybody knows by any chance about dirt cheap XT660R - ideally with 700 cc conversion  ;D.


Can also only think of the BMW 800. But if I understand correctly it is a good seller?

Maybe with all the big bikes getting bigger (1190, 1290, 1200) Honda aims to fill the opening 1000cc bracket (discontinued 990 etc.)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 03:25:13 pm


There is nothing wrong with the new Africa Twin. It was always going to be heavy because it has a 1litre engine and it needed to be tough.


+1

Well said.
Yet the 950 was lighter and also a twin and plenty of them still around so surely they were tough enough  :deal: Ten years down the line technology could have improved on that recipe ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on July 27, 2015, 03:27:16 pm
I wonder what the discussion would have been in the late eighties when the Africa Twin was launched  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 03:27:53 pm
Morsig
Reminds me of the XT660Z promo shots from Morocco back in 2008, we all wet our pants but then it landed ..... all 200 plug kilograms of it
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 27, 2015, 03:31:03 pm

Can also only think of the BMW 800. But if I understand correctly it is a good seller?

Maybe with all the big bikes getting bigger (1190, 1290, 1200) Honda aims to fill the opening 1000cc bracket (discontinued 990 etc.)


That would only make sense only if it would be significantly more powerful than 800's and/or significantly lighter than 1200's. Which it isn't. I don't see any gap there.

800GS seems to me to be unloved bastard child of BMW, that they build only as a lure to the more premium 1200. Sure, they finally bolted a suspension on it a year or two ago, but I still think they are not keen on pushing it further - as evidenced by that, for me pointless 800GSA contraption.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 03:32:22 pm
clocks
Hope that screen is scratch resistant, gonna look crap when you have wiped off Africa dust a couple of times  :pot: Ok I'll stop maybe I'm sure it will sell by the thousands and the owners will be real happy when they buy their Triu .... BM ... mean Honda AT.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 03:33:03 pm
Yet the 950 was lighter and also a twin and plenty of them still around so surely they were tough enough  :deal: Ten years down the line technology could have improved on that recipe ?

Some say we have reached the limits of metallurgy and internal combustion technology.
Engines won't get much lighter than they are now. And frames can only get lighter yet remain strong if we discard metal and move to other materials.
But then we'll get a whole new set of problems re self-serviceability. How do you mend a broken carbon fiber subframe while touring through Inner Mongolia?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 27, 2015, 03:35:39 pm
Morsig
Reminds me of the XT660Z promo shots from Morocco back in 2008, we all wet our pants but then it landed ..... all 200 plug kilograms of it

Ja, I'm still a little broken by that
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: RobC on July 27, 2015, 03:36:44 pm
After market xorst's will be a good seller on this bike...  :sip:
stunning otherwise. :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 27, 2015, 03:39:11 pm
Morsig
Reminds me of the XT660Z promo shots from Morocco back in 2008, we all wet our pants but then it landed ..... all 200 plug kilograms of it

True, and yet somehow both of us ended up on one  ;). Given the type of riding you guys are doing, I was quite surprised to see you buy Tenere. Can I ask why? Is it just because of the lack of choices?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dwerg on July 27, 2015, 03:50:51 pm
Xpat have you ridden a newer gen 690? Mine is dead stable flat out on dirt or tar and I've done multiple long days on it. Granted mine has rally kit which helps with long distance
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on July 27, 2015, 03:54:50 pm
No, I haven't - I have ridden 2010 I think with the fairings and tanks. Does the newer one has different geometry? I knew it has bigger engine.

I need to make a plan to try one...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dwerg on July 27, 2015, 03:57:40 pm
No, I haven't - I have ridden 2010 I think with the fairings and tanks. Does the newer one has different geometry? I knew it has bigger engine.

I need to make a plan to try one...

Actually the 2010/11 apparently has the best suspension but I think geometry is the same. The 690cc motor is a hoot though
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 27, 2015, 04:06:08 pm

Can also only think of the BMW 800. But if I understand correctly it is a good seller?

Maybe with all the big bikes getting bigger (1190, 1290, 1200) Honda aims to fill the opening 1000cc bracket (discontinued 990 etc.)


That would only make sense only if it would be significantly more powerful than 800's and/or significantly lighter than 1200's. Which it isn't. I don't see any gap there.

800GS seems to me to be unloved bastard child of BMW, that they build only as a lure to the more premium 1200. Sure, they finally bolted a suspension on it a year or two ago, but I still think they are not keen on pushing it further - as evidenced by that, for me pointless 800GSA contraption.



Dont see why they need to push it further. it's been an extremely strong seller for BMW, and still lighter than the competition with a reliable engine and excellent weight distribution, upgraded a few electronics and shocks to stay current... They wont do anything drastic till something eats into their market, their 2008 bike still competes and beats many in 2015 and seems to be into early 2016 at the very least.

But...there is something to be said about lighter more basic bikes...they get back to the fun factor.
I've been riding the wifes XCountry and my 2Stroke KTM 250 xcw a lot in the last 2 weeks and i must be honest. When i'm back on the smooth, wind guarded, traction controlled, supple shocked 800...it's almost boring in comparison. Yes doing 1000km days on a fairingless, screenless Thumper will be tiring. But i guess it depends how much tar vs dirt you do.

For an example - I'm thinking that Ducati Scrambler might be a hellovalot of fun...with some good tyres etc, I'll be able to go to Oasis, or go do 90% of the riding i do offroad...maybe slower...but why rush and 100% of the riding I do on road.

Basically what I'm saying is....
Is this bike or others like it better at offroad and hell even on road than an Africa Twin.
HELL NO!!

But to me it sure looks like a hell of a lot more fun.

(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/ducati-scrambler-dirt-track-concept-is-one-evil-machine-photo-gallery_2.jpg)

(http://dirtbikemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/newmax2.jpg)


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWACSKIoy6Y
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on July 27, 2015, 04:23:51 pm
Morsig
Reminds me of the XT660Z promo shots from Morocco back in 2008, we all wet our pants but then it landed ..... all 200 plug kilograms of it

True, and yet somehow both of us ended up on one  ;). Given the type of riding you guys are doing, I was quite surprised to see you buy Tenere. Can I ask why? Is it just because of the lack of choices?
Yes and the first technical stuff I did I dropped it about 10 times, if my mates were t there I would still be sitting in that mountain pass. I had to choose between it and the 690, think I made the wring choice for my type of riding
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on July 27, 2015, 07:05:54 pm
I love the gold handlebars that harks back to the original AT.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cracker on July 27, 2015, 07:33:00 pm
The 690 was a game changer yet no-one is bothered about trying to equal it - never mind beat it!!!

Can't see any reason for Honda or anyone else to make another game changer - they can all do it but the bean counters tell them different.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JC on July 27, 2015, 11:39:16 pm
The 690 was a game changer yet no-one is bothered about trying to equal it - never mind beat it!!!

Can't see any reason for Honda or anyone else to make another game changer - they can all do it but the bean counters tell them different.

690 only recently caught up with XRR Honda of 15 years ago  >:D

we will never get the bikes we want, only the ones we deserve (here's looking at you softy Europeans)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: uaedesertfox on July 28, 2015, 05:23:50 am
Well said JC, I am just laughing at this debate......

Honda will always built, as they always have, a great bike.... others are years behind...

I am buying one just because I can.....  :lol8: and I trust ....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ganjora on July 28, 2015, 07:16:57 am
690 only recently caught up with XRR Honda of 15 years ago  >:D

and only time will tell if it get the legend status of the XRR...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: chicco on July 28, 2015, 08:27:09 am
any Idea on the price for the ktm 990 replacement?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on July 28, 2015, 08:30:26 am
Good discussion about a bike that will not fill the gap that many of us been waiting for.
In a world where bean-counters rule and rationality has taken over from passion, I don't see any change in direction from any bike manufacturer.
How many people would part with R 200k to build that light and off road capable 700-800cc twin bike that could become the holy grail for some of us?
I happen to own a custom built 1000cc bike weighing in at 170kg (dry), with the best possible suspension, which covers 95% of my riding perfectly. It's for the other 5% of my riding when I am lusting for a lighter, more capable bike.
No twin cyl bike could cover that gap, unless it's filled with Helium  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on July 28, 2015, 08:39:34 am
Good discussion about a bike that will not fill the gap that many of us been waiting for.
In a world where bean-counters rule and rationality has taken over from passion, I don't see any change in direction from any bike manufacturer.
How many people would part with R 200k to build that light and off road capable 700-800cc twin bike that could become the holy grail for some of us?
I happen to own a custom built 1000cc bike weighing in at 190kg (dry), with the best possible suspension, which covers 95% of my riding perfectly. It's for the other 5% of my riding when I am lusting for a lighter, more capable bike.
No twin cyl bike could cover that gap, unless it's filled with Helium  :biggrin:

:useless:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Manic on July 28, 2015, 08:39:42 am
I had a chat with a guy at Honda.

They expect this bike around January 2016.

He only has one concern, he says with all the talks with Honda, it seems like SA will only get the clutchless version.

He says its gonna be a deal breaker if that happens.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on July 28, 2015, 08:40:57 am
I had a chat with a guy at Honda.

They expect this bike around January 2016.

He only has one concern, he says with all the talks with Honda, it seems like SA will only get the clutchless version.

He says its gonna be a deal breaker if that happens.

Do you mean we only get the ABS & Standard versions?  Or that we only get the DCT version?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 28, 2015, 09:07:51 am
I had a chat with a guy at Honda.

They expect this bike around January 2016.

He only has one concern, he says with all the talks with Honda, it seems like SA will only get the clutchless version.

He says its gonna be a deal breaker if that happens.

Do you mean we only get the ABS & Standard versions?  Or that we only get the DCT version?

He means we will only get DCT versions.
I dont think that will be the case hough.  
If so...FAIL.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Manic on July 28, 2015, 09:12:08 am
Only the DCT versions.

He said it wont work for technical riders, and Honda will make a big mistake.

Honda did not confirm this as yet, but he says all talks with Honda Headoffice points to DCT only for SA.

I spoke to the Owner of the Dealership, not a Salesman.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on July 28, 2015, 09:16:45 am
Only the DCT versions.

He said it wont work for technical riders, and Honda will make a big mistake.

Honda did not confirm this as yet, but he says all talks with Honda Headoffice points to DCT only for SA.

I spoke to the Owner of the Dealership, not a Salesman.



Also thats the most expensive version...so R170K launch price?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on July 28, 2015, 09:43:17 am
Some new pics posted on Wheels24....  :drif:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on July 28, 2015, 09:48:01 am
More....

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dorsland on July 28, 2015, 09:53:02 am
It's growing on me, I am starting to like it.  8)  I wouldn't be an early buyer, first let them sort the niggles out.  Mind you, Honda normally get it right quite early on in the model life.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on July 28, 2015, 11:20:22 am
I'll wait for the non-DCT
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: AndreB on July 28, 2015, 01:43:06 pm
http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/2016-Africa-Twin-on-way-from-Honda-20150727 (http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/2016-Africa-Twin-on-way-from-Honda-20150727)
Title: Re: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on July 28, 2015, 01:53:40 pm
...it seems like SA will only get the clutchless version.

Nooooooooo!

I'd still give it a chance in the form of an extended test ride, but it would have to be bloody amazing (especially off road) for me to buy it.

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on July 28, 2015, 09:21:01 pm
Only the DCT versions.

He said it wont work for technical riders, and Honda will make a big mistake.

Honda did not confirm this as yet, but he says all talks with Honda Headoffice points to DCT only for SA.

I spoke to the Owner of the Dealership, not a Salesman.



Doesn't make sense at all !!!  :eek7:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 28, 2015, 10:19:46 pm
Only the DCT versions.

He said it wont work for technical riders, and Honda will make a big mistake.

Honda did not confirm this as yet, but he says all talks with Honda Headoffice points to DCT only for SA.

I spoke to the Owner of the Dealership, not a Salesman.




Doesn't make sense at all !!!  :eek7:

Well look at Triumph XCX. There are various options and models available overseas in Europe, but we only got 2 options. The mag wheel road going model and the top of the range XCX. Why? Because they focus on the the potential buyers and volume. The 1200 was said to be all that the new AT will be, and there was just as much interest in it. People here on WD's said that BMW is going to take a knock etc. What happened instead?........BMW just continued with it's sales success till today in the 1200 market.

So if you ask me, I think they are taking a conservative approach but this time it should be a better sales success depending on if they get the price right. Maybe as the shipments get sold out they will bring the whole range with all different options.

I would not mind one, but for different reasons as some are now disappointed with:
I like the looks
I like the sound in standard form already (refer to youtube vid)
It will be a nice tourer/overlander (I just hope it can run on low octane fuel - Africa)
I like Honda (but hate the backup service which I rate worse than Kawasaki MSA)

I don't like the weight but is a light traveler and should be able to pick it up
I don't like the sub frame which is not a separate bolt on unit like on some other adventure bikes and it does not look even as strong as the XCX sub frame (look at the photos)
I don't like a digital tacho meter and prefer an analogue dial
I don't prefer tubed rims but is ok'ish with it, not sure for how long still
I don't like the brand worshipers, but like people with open minds towards 'what you get and not ostrich syndrome for faults and flaws'

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Manic on July 28, 2015, 10:30:31 pm
Only the DCT versions.

He said it wont work for technical riders, and Honda will make a big mistake.

Honda did not confirm this as yet, but he says all talks with Honda Headoffice points to DCT only for SA.

I spoke to the Owner of the Dealership, not a Salesman.



Doesn't make sense at all !!!  :eek7:

That is what he also said  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on July 28, 2015, 11:02:22 pm
According to the side on view I imported into my cad program the CRF1000L will have around 210mm of front fork travel.
This figure was arrived at by measuring the wheelbase which has been confirmed as 1575mm and measuring remaining stanchion travel
on the sideview and figuring in 30mm static sag without rider on the bike. Pretty underwhelming figure methinks. I was hoping for about 250mm
at both ends but clearly Honda is aiming the bike at the masses and not the more experienced rider.

Maybe Honda will release an 'R' model at some stage or you have to build it yourself. Anyways - It will be a good open road cruiser and light duty
gravel travel machine. I may still be interested in one but this is not going to be anything like a 950SE or HP2. My dreams and aspirations have been
shattered. Oh no! I forgot I still have my XR. At 149kg with a full tank of 18.5 liters bunkered I'll be faster everywhere offroad and 79 kg lighter when
picking the bike up.
Title: We NEED an R of this L
Post by: zacapa on July 29, 2015, 12:20:48 am
Cross-posted reply here from my comments on Motorrad.de. My original post here: http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neue-honda-africa-twin-kommt-ende-2015/658890 (http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neue-honda-africa-twin-kommt-ende-2015/658890)

Bei 149kg vollgetankt auf meiner XR650L (modified) spare Ich mir 79kg gegenueber der (no ABS) CR1000L jedesmahl wenn das Dickschiff mal auf der Seite liegt. Schaut auch so aus als ob da nicht mehr als 210mm Federweg vorne/hinten zusammenkommen. Schade eigentlich. Habe keine Probleme mit meinen 1.78 metern mit der XR (Sitzhoehe 940mm) im groben Gelaende umzugehen und mit knappen 300mm Federweg v/h buegelt die softe XR auch die groebsten Strecken glatt. 250mm v/h bei 210kg vollgetankt haetten drinn sein sollen. Soichiro san - Stehe auf mein Junge und sag den pencilpusher accountants in der Corporate Devision mal bescheid wie man sowas besser macht. Eine DL1000 im schoenen roten Kleid brauche ich nicht. Da bleibe ich glatt bei meiner XR und sehe zu das meine pseudo HPN R80G/S (1000ccm) bald wieder auf die Strasse kommt.

I'm sure the CRF1000L will be a super bike for many. And that is where the focus is at for any of the large bike manufacturers - A bike for many so that the bike may sell well. What Honda has forgotten to address is that the more hardcore fraternity of riders are looking forward to something that bridges the gap between a Suzuki DL1000 and a KTM 950SE. That would be the sweet spot for me. I volunteer to travel to Japan - taking some unpaid leave to advise on how esteemed Honda Corporation could wow the international motorcycle market by introducing an 'R' version of the CRF 1000 L.

I have managed to turn my XR 650 L into what I would think is the closest to an R version of the L. 12kg lighter than the day I bought the bike new from Honda Umhlanga and much better for it. Someone pay my return plane ticket to Japan and I volunteer to be an advisor and test rider on how to save 20kg of mass and install 250mm of front and rear wheel travel into this beautiful machine. Hey Motorrad.de - do you have any ideas how this may be achieved? As I mentioned my time is free and I am capable of turning a beautiful bollard into a singing swan. 25% of the potential buyers need a CRF1000L to be a CRF1000R.

regards,
Thorsten Wanoth
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Battlestar on July 29, 2015, 11:49:48 am
Confirmed unconfirmed prices from a dealer  :peepwall:

Retail Pricing for CRF1000L

Standard R155 000.00
Traction Control / ABS R168 000.00
DCT T/C and ABS R182 000.00

Shipment and official launch Jan 2016
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on July 29, 2015, 12:30:17 pm
So the second option is all of R12k short of my estimated selling price. Thats a good sign!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dwerg on July 29, 2015, 12:32:45 pm
800GS ADV or a base AT. I know which one I would have
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 29, 2015, 01:52:32 pm
http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/how-the-new-honda-africa-twin-compares-to-its-dirty-adv-1719991973 (http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/how-the-new-honda-africa-twin-compares-to-its-dirty-adv-1719991973)
Title: Re: We NEED an R of this L
Post by: blauth on July 29, 2015, 02:17:30 pm
Cross-posted reply here from my comments on Motorrad.de. My original post here: http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neue-honda-africa-twin-kommt-ende-2015/658890 (http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neue-honda-africa-twin-kommt-ende-2015/658890)

Bei 149kg vollgetankt auf meiner XR650L (modified) spare Ich mir 79kg gegenueber der (no ABS) CR1000L jedesmahl wenn das Dickschiff mal auf der Seite liegt. Schaut auch so aus als ob da nicht mehr als 210mm Federweg vorne/hinten zusammenkommen. Schade eigentlich. Habe keine Probleme mit meinen 1.78 metern mit der XR (Sitzhoehe 940mm) im groben Gelaende umzugehen und mit knappen 300mm Federweg v/h buegelt die softe XR auch die groebsten Strecken glatt. 250mm v/h bei 210kg vollgetankt haetten drinn sein sollen. Soichiro san - Stehe auf mein Junge und sag den pencilpusher accountants in der Corporate Devision mal bescheid wie man sowas besser macht. Eine DL1000 im schoenen roten Kleid brauche ich nicht. Da bleibe ich glatt bei meiner XR und sehe zu das meine pseudo HPN R80G/S (1000ccm) bald wieder auf die Strasse kommt.

I'm sure the CRF1000L will be a super bike for many. And that is where the focus is at for any of the large bike manufacturers - A bike for many so that the bike may sell well. What Honda has forgotten to address is that the more hardcore fraternity of riders are looking forward to something that bridges the gap between a Suzuki DL1000 and a KTM 950SE. That would be the sweet spot for me. I volunteer to travel to Japan - taking some unpaid leave to advise on how esteemed Honda Corporation could wow the international motorcycle market by introducing an 'R' version of the CRF 1000 L.

I have managed to turn my XR 650 L into what I would think is the closest to an R version of the L. 12kg lighter than the day I bought the bike new from Honda Umhlanga and much better for it. Someone pay my return plane ticket to Japan and I volunteer to be an advisor and test rider on how to save 20kg of mass and install 250mm of front and rear wheel travel into this beautiful machine. Hey Motorrad.de - do you have any ideas how this may be achieved? As I mentioned my time is free and I am capable of turning a beautiful bollard into a singing swan. 25% of the potential buyers need a CRF1000L to be a CRF1000R.

regards,
Thorsten Wanoth

I have a view on things, in ZA anyway and support ZACAPA's view on a large proportion of the population wanting the R version.
Buyers are a weird bunch. Many many buyers don't buy what they need, they buy what they want and almost everyone WANTS a 'Racer'. The WANT and NEED purchaser is most often differentiated by the bloke who can barely afford the goods (leans towards NEED because it's typically the cheapest). Those who THINK they can afford the goods and can somehow find the bucks will almost always buy the Racer. Even if they can't ride one side of it and it's completely inappropriate.

My view is substantiated by the number of large SUV's, luxury cars etc in ZA roads. Very few need those cars and I'd even go as far as to say, few can actually afford them.....but banks are all too happy to enslave us in debt and many are all too happy to oblige.

Case in point KTM1190R vs KTM1190S. What would be interesting is to see the difference in European sales between these two models.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on July 29, 2015, 04:10:00 pm
The AT - all three specs IS the "R" version!  >:D O0
The Crosstourer is the "non-R" version ....  :peepwall:

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: gser on July 29, 2015, 04:33:43 pm
 Looks like the after market suppliers will have a field day for spill/crash protection bars/covers/plates.
Good for them and owners.
Ek wonder wat Honda op hulle rakke gaan dra.
Is daar al iets al te siene ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dux on July 29, 2015, 04:40:02 pm
Confirmed unconfirmed prices from a dealer  :peepwall:

Retail Pricing for CRF1000L

Standard R155 000.00
Traction Control / ABS R168 000.00
DCT T/C and ABS R182 000.00

Shipment and official launch Jan 2016


Standard version for me , not on price but I don't want ABS or the dual clutch model
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JacoM on July 29, 2015, 04:53:57 pm
Kan nie wag om hom te gaan toets.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: manxkipper on July 29, 2015, 04:59:08 pm
Same hp as the 800xc with more torque. Weight is sadly too high - slightly less than the 1200gs and 1190. It should have been less that 200kg all in.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 29, 2015, 05:08:47 pm
Looks like the after market suppliers will have a field day for spill/crash protection bars/covers/plates.
Good for them and owners.
Ek wonder wat Honda op hulle rakke gaan dra.
Is daar al iets al te siene ?

Now add the extra weight of proper low and high crash bars, sump guard, radiator, pannier frames etc and you gonna have a real bulldozer
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Morph on July 30, 2015, 08:49:35 am
800GS ADV or a base AT. I know which one I would have

Don't leave us in suspense....which one?

 :imaposer: :peepwall: :pot: :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on July 30, 2015, 10:01:43 am
Confirmed unconfirmed prices from a dealer  :peepwall:

Retail Pricing for CRF1000L

Standard R155 000.00
Traction Control / ABS R168 000.00
DCT T/C and ABS R182 000.00

Shipment and official launch Jan 2016


Standard version for me , not on price but I don't want ABS or the dual clutch model

Yep. 1000cc of pure joy
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rider39 on July 30, 2015, 10:27:34 am
From a dealer:
Standard model only in black or silver.
Red and HRC colors on "full speck bikes only"
Mine will be black :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Dwerg on July 30, 2015, 10:28:01 am
800GS ADV or a base AT. I know which one I would have

Don't leave us in suspense....which one?

 :imaposer: :peepwall: :pot: :ricky:

 :lol8:

I loved my 800GS but I have a thing for the red bikes. Would've been on a Honda if they had a decent DS bike with a happy button
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: alli on July 30, 2015, 11:38:10 am
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/miscellaneus/file_zpszgcmqbtl.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/alli082/media/miscellaneus/file_zpszgcmqbtl.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: alli on July 30, 2015, 11:38:59 am
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g449/alli082/miscellaneus/file_zpsipmf7yx8.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/alli082/media/miscellaneus/file_zpsipmf7yx8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 30, 2015, 11:51:05 am
14kg extra for the dual clutch! Like wow.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: boland on July 30, 2015, 12:00:20 pm
Man, I really don't get why you would want an automatic 'box in your DS bike. Or any bike for that matter. If you want so many creature comforts just take your car
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: teebag on July 30, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
232 with ABS - ok now it is officially heavier than my 800GSA  :-\  It would have to carry that weight better (not too difficult, with improved suspension and weight distribution) for me to even consider a switch.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: skydiver on July 30, 2015, 03:44:55 pm
I wonder why the front indicators don't look the same on all the bikes. ???
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: jog t/a on July 31, 2015, 12:59:13 pm
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on July 31, 2015, 03:13:06 pm
I wonder if you can push start a DCT ? Not that it would be easy on this bike but dead battery would definitely mean dead bike
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeeCeeBee on July 31, 2015, 04:00:30 pm
I hope they have them in Australia, because this is my next bike for sure!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: volroom on August 03, 2015, 12:42:39 pm
the excitement died down a bit? don't judge a book by it's cover. we have to wait and see what it's like, Honda wanted to make something the embodies what the old AT was. If you like the old AT, you will probably like this more
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on August 03, 2015, 12:45:18 pm
the excitement died down a bit? don't judge a book by it's cover. we have to wait and see what it's like, Honda wanted to make something the embodies what the old AT was. If you like the old AT, you will probably like this more

Have to agree.  Although I'm not sure I want the DCT version.  From the specs it's heavier than my current GS.  And a lighter bike is really what I'm after.  Otherwise I'll just keep the pig.

Here's hoping!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 03, 2015, 06:53:00 pm
When is it out? - Sorry I know its probably somewhere deep down in this thread. :P
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Crop Sprang on August 03, 2015, 06:57:46 pm
BB
Jan 2016 it seems !!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 03, 2015, 07:26:53 pm
Thanks Bud. Hopefully we can start a new thread then ;D

For now I think I am going to stick to building 450's into touring bikes
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sushi bar on August 05, 2015, 09:07:04 pm
Mmmhhh hoping to crack an invite to the launch, we got a Honda dealership with bikes. Who do I bribe??
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on August 13, 2015, 12:03:02 pm
This guy just pre-ordered his...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dualsport/comments/3gr9gp/i_just_preordered_my_africa_twin/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dualsport/comments/3gr9gp/i_just_preordered_my_africa_twin/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 13, 2015, 12:08:17 pm
Ja  there is big following in Europe. I have seen a lot of older African twins about in Spain and France.

Wouldn't mind picking up one of those after everyone wants to replace them with their "new" models.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 13, 2015, 12:18:41 pm
Ja  there is big following in Europe. I have seen a lot of older African twins about in Spain and France.

Wouldn't mind picking up one of those after everyone wants to replace them with their "new" models.


its great when a new bike comes out , well for us in the secondhand market , I expect a flood of secondhand bikes come December here too
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 16, 2015, 08:24:43 am
More on info/specs - just still missing suspension travel:


2016 Honda Africa Twin May Not Be What We Hoped
 Leaked specs reveal how the new Africa Twin matches up to the competition.
Published on 07.23.2015
Full specs for the 2016 Honda Africa Twin have been leaked along with the first high-resolution photo of the Africa Twin.
Honda of Portugal has released full specs of the 2016 Africa Twin today along with the first high-resolution photo of the bike, in yet another Honda leak. The information was quickly removed, but not before a screen capture was taken by a member of the Africa Twin Forum.


Leaked specs from Honda of Portugal.
Just yesterday, we uncovered a leaked official Honda video showing a new Africa Twin being ridden off-road. The bike looked light and maneuverable in the video and appeared to be a capable off-road performer. Now we can finally answer the big question everyone has been wondering, “How much does it weigh?”

Below are the specs copied and translated from Honda of Portugal’s post:

2016 Honda Africa Twin Specifications

Wheelbase:   62.0 in (1,575 mm)
Ground clearance:   9.8 in (250 mm)
Seat height (hi/low):   34.2/33.4 in (870/850 mm)
Dry Weight:   STD – 458 lbs (208kg), ABS – 467 lbs (212kg), DCT – 458 lbs (222kg)
Wet weight:   STD – 502 lbs (228kg), ABS – 511 lbs (232kg), DCT – 533 lbs (242kg)
Engine type:   4-stroke, liquid-cooled, 8-valve, Parallel Twin, 270° crankshaft, Unicam System
Bore x stroke:   92.0 mm x 75.1 mm
Displacement:   998cc
Max Power:   93.9 hp (70 kW) @ 7,500 rpm
Max Torque:   72.3 lb-ft (98 Nm) @ 6,000 rpm
Frame Type:   Semi-double cradle steel; rear sub-frame in high-strength steel
Transmission:   6-speed/6-speed DCT with on and off-road driving modes
Traction Control:   HSTC 3 levels + off switch (only ABS and DCT versions)
Clutch:   Wet, multi-disc with coil springs
Final Drive:   O-ring Chain
Brakes Front:   310 mm twin floating discs, radial calipers with 4 pistons (ABS) sintered pads
Brakes Rear:   256 mm single disc, 2-piston calipers (ABS) sintered pads, (DCT) parking brake
ABS System:   ABS 2 channels switch off the rear ABS (ABS and DCT versions only)
Wheels/Tires Front:   21-inch wire-spoke aluminum rim with 90/90-R21 tube type tire
Wheels/Tires Rear:   18-inch wire-spoke aluminum rim with 150/70-R18 tube type tire
Fuel tank capacity:   5.0 gal (18.8 liter)
     
Here’s how 2016 Honda Africa Twin compares to other big-bore off-road oriented Adventure Bikes in its class:

Off-Road-Oriented Big-Bore ADV Bike Specs Comparison

Adventure Bike Models    HP    Torque
(lb.-ft.)   Wet Weight
(lbs.)   Ground Clearance
(in.)   Seat Height
(in.)   Fuel Capacity
(Gallons)
 2015 KTM 1190 Adventure R   148   92.2   518   9.8   35.0   6.1
 2016 Honda Africa Twin (STD)   93.9   72.3   502   9.8   33.4   5.0
 2013 KTM 990 Adventure R   113   74   502   11.9   35.0   5.3
ADVPulse.com  
 

The one missing bit of information yet to be revealed for the 2016 Honda Africa Twin is the suspension travel. The information was not available on the Portuguese Honda post. If we use seat height and ground clearance as a guide, we can see the suspension travel is most likely going to be less than the KTM 990 Adventure R’s 9.6 inches (245mm) and may even be less than the KTM 1190 Adventure R’s 8.6 inches (220mm).

Many have hoped that the new Africa Twin will fill a void in the liter-class Adventure Bike category left by the discontinued KTM 990 Adventure R. Looking at these leaked specs, the Honda seems to be down on power, has less suspension travel and isn’t any lighter than the 990 R.

Assuming these are the final specs, the 2016 Honda Africa Twin will not be the revolutionary off-road-capable adventure bike we were hoping for — a lighter KTM 990 Adventure R with Honda reliability. The bike still looks like a good off-road performer though, with a mildly tuned engine for greater reliability and a 270° crankshaft that will give it a pleasing exhaust note. The bike looks stunning and it is a welcome change from the bigger and heavier Adventure Bikes that have been introduced to compete with the BMW R1200GS in recent years.

But there’s really only one company that is likely to create a replacement for the KTM 990 Adventure R, and that’s KTM. Hopefully, KTM will have a surprise for us in 2016 and we’ll get the light, powerful, middle-weight, off-road capable Adventure Bike that they’ve been rumored to be working on.

News Update 7/24/2015:Honda has now official released the specs, pricing, options, color schemes and more stunning imagery of the CRF1000L Africa Twin.

 29 Comments Tags: ADV Bike Comparison, Africa Twin, HondaAuthor: Rob Dabney
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on August 16, 2015, 04:21:33 pm
Specs, HP, Price, DCT, front brakes ... it's all just details, details .... this thing looks good, will be well built, thus reliable, might not be the cheapest, quickest, flashiest, with anti this or pro that ... and in 10 years time will still have a great resale price.

94HP - thank you.

232kg's - fine by me.

Seat hight? - 850mm - perfect.

20lt tank - that will do nicely, thanks!



Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 16, 2015, 04:28:52 pm
 it's all just details, details...

Like this is too.................................. ;)

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-mt-09-triple-worldcrosser-concept-by-oberdan-bezzi-77386.html (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-mt-09-triple-worldcrosser-concept-by-oberdan-bezzi-77386.html)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on August 16, 2015, 08:46:34 pm
Adventure Bike ModelsHPTorque (lb.-ft.) Wet Weight (lbs.)  Ground Clearance (in.) Seat Height (in.)  Fuel Capacity (Gallons) 
2015 KTM 1190 Adventure R14892.25189.835.06.1
2016 Honda Africa Twin (STD)  93.9  72.35029.833.45.0
2013 KTM 990 Adventure R1137450211.935.05.3
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on August 17, 2015, 08:15:28 am
Adventure Bike ModelsHPTorque (lb.-ft.) Wet Weight (lbs.)  Ground Clearance (in.) Seat Height (in.)  Fuel Capacity (Gallons) 
2015 KTM 1190 Adventure R14892.25189.835.06.1
2016 Honda Africa Twin (STD)  93.9  72.35029.833.45.0
2013 KTM 990 Adventure R1137450211.935.05.3

...ignoring the awesome 990R for a minute...although if you bring fuel consumption and reliability into the equation...

I can't understand why people keep comparing this thing to the 1190. Pull up the numbers for the 1050 and it's a very different picture.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: friggs on August 17, 2015, 09:24:19 pm
So it looks like there will only be two versions, one with just ABS and TC and the other with ABS, TC and DCT (add 14KG for the DCT)...

Quote from:  Motorcyclist Online
...Honda now says that ABS and TC (or HSTC, for Honda Selectable Torque Control) will be standard on both versions of the Africa Twin when it debuts here late this year as a 2016 model. The DCT will add automatic functions including a incline detection system that changes the shift parameters for climbs and descents...


http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2016-honda-africa-twin-configurations-updated-news-to-speed?src=SOC&dom=fb (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2016-honda-africa-twin-configurations-updated-news-to-speed?src=SOC&dom=fb)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 17, 2015, 10:07:12 pm
I wonder how that is going to effect pricing , I guess the lower price of R155 000 for the standard is out the window ? 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 17, 2015, 10:14:35 pm
I wonder how that is going to effect pricing , I guess the lower price of R155 000 for the standard is out the window ? 

That is the way I read it as well, and it reminds me about the big hype a couple of years ago when the 1200 BMW eater Cross tour'er was announced. It came in overwrought, overpriced and as a road bike dressed as a DS.......and here on Wilddogs I read all about the excitement that turned into silence.

It will be ok'ish, but pricey. The bike the guys described from page one which they wanted to see exists already, just under another Brand name: Its called Triump XCX and ll included at R140K
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on August 18, 2015, 09:12:56 am
I wonder how that is going to effect pricing , I guess the lower price of R155 000 for the standard is out the window ? 

That is the way I read it as well, and it reminds me about the big hype a couple of years ago when the 1200 BMW eater Cross tour'er was announced. It came in overwrought, overpriced and as a road bike dressed as a DS.......and here on Wilddogs I read all about the excitement that turned into silence.

It will be ok'ish, but pricey. The bike the guys described from page one which they wanted to see exists already, just under another Brand name: Its called Triump XCX and ll included at R140K

Pre-order pricing as per email from Honda dealer:

1. Standard: No ABS or TCS                                  R155000 (Including Vat)
Colours: Silver or Black

2. Full Specs: Manual ABS & TCS & MT                 R168000 (Including Vat)
Colours: White Tri Colour or Dakar Red

3. Full Specs Auto: TCS & ABS & DCT                   R189000 (Including Vat)
Colours: White Tri Colour or Dakar Red
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on August 18, 2015, 03:40:56 pm
Specs, HP, Price, DCT, front brakes ... it's all just details, details .... this thing looks good, will be well built, thus reliable, might not be the cheapest, quickest, flashiest, with anti this or pro that ... and in 10 years time will still have a great resale price.

94HP - thank you.

232kg's - fine by me.

Seat hight? - 850mm - perfect.

20lt tank - that will do nicely, thanks!





Thank you!!  :thumleft:    ... and may I add it will still have value even after 100 000k's ...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on August 18, 2015, 03:44:00 pm
Looks like I might have to let the ol "alp go for one of these! :drif: Ticks all boxes on my list as well... :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on August 18, 2015, 04:30:34 pm
Well - as I'm in bed with the darn flu, I have some time to think about the matter...

Here is the spec's of the original Africa Twin:
2000 Honda XRV750 Africa Twin
MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS

Manufacturer - Make - Model - Year: Honda XRV 750 Africa Twin 2000
Motorcycle Style: Dual-Sport

ENGINE SPECS

Engine Type: 742 cc, 4 Stroke - Liquid Cooled - V Twin
Engine Bore and Stroke: 81 mm x 72 mm
Valves 3 valves/cylinder
Claimed Horsepower: 60 hp (44.7 kW) @ 7500 rpm
Maximum Torque: 62 Nm (45.7 ft. lbs) @ 6500 rpm
Transmission type: 5 speed
Final Drive: Chain

MISCELLANEOUS SPECS

Tire - Front: 90/90-18
Tire - Rear: 140/80-17
Brakes - Front: dual 276 mm discs with 2-piston calipers
Brakes - Rear: single 256 mm disc with 1-piston calipers

DIMENSIONS

Seat Height: 860 mm (33.9 inches)
Wheelbase 1565 mm (61.6 inches)
Fuel Capacity: 23 l (6.1 Gal)
Dry Weight (without e cruising 200+fluids): 207 kg

Why is this relevant ? - Cause it's a bike that is still relevant and competitive in this modern day and age!! You will never see a well-ridden AT being left behind by any other DS bike, unless you're cruising 200+ on tar ...  ::)

Now the similarities between the old and new is obvious when you compare specs, BUT, the new one has almost double the torque and more than 50% more power!! The new one has tons of modern features also being added, with most likely much better suspension and much lower fuel consumption too!! All of this at a kg or two less weight in probably a much slimmer and better weight distributed package!!!

Makes you think...  8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on August 18, 2015, 04:40:46 pm
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tommy Transalp on August 18, 2015, 04:42:34 pm
XRRX.... You've basically summed up what my thoughts are! :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 18, 2015, 07:40:00 pm
So is the extra R13 000 for the ABS model over the standard model worth it ?, I have never ridden a bike with ABS and have no inkling of what HSTC is - can this help me on the dirt highways that if I bought this bike I would be using it for  ? 
How reliable are modern ABS systems or is this something that might fail after a serious dose of corrugations and dust day after day ?
I have always thought the more gizmo's added on the more problems but maybe modern ABS etc are very reliable - I am not sure here .
It's quite a bit more to pay for these added extras - is it worth it ?
If one was going too purchase this as a long distance traveller would it not make sense to just get the bog standard one ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on August 18, 2015, 11:21:05 pm
So is the extra R13 000 for the ABS model over the standard model worth it ?, I have never ridden a bike with ABS and have no inkling of what HSTC is - can this help me on the dirt highways that if I bought this bike I would be using it for  ? 
How reliable are modern ABS systems or is this something that might fail after a serious dose of corrugations and dust day after day ?
I have always thought the more gizmo's added on the more problems but maybe modern ABS etc are very reliable - I am not sure here .
It's quite a bit more to pay for these added extras - is it worth it ?
If one was going too purchase this as a long distance traveller would it not make sense to just get the bog standard one ?


Valid questions.

I have a Varadero that is non ABS, and a S10 with ABS. Leaving aside their obvious differences off road, purely on road they are similar in ways and having done many thousands of K's two up fully loaded on both, it's for that matter alone I would always go for the ABS version. Absolutely.

For me it boils down to this; the day you need ABS is the day the cost involved will be the furtherest thing from your mind.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 18, 2015, 11:35:02 pm
So is the extra R13 000 for the ABS model over the standard model worth it ?, I have never ridden a bike with ABS and have no inkling of what HSTC is - can this help me on the dirt highways that if I bought this bike I would be using it for  ? 
How reliable are modern ABS systems or is this something that might fail after a serious dose of corrugations and dust day after day ?
I have always thought the more gizmo's added on the more problems but maybe modern ABS etc are very reliable - I am not sure here .
It's quite a bit more to pay for these added extras - is it worth it ?
If one was going too purchase this as a long distance traveller would it not make sense to just get the bog standard one ?


My Alp obviously do not have ABS, but my Triumph had and it saved me one day when I tried to ride a mountain pass (tar) with some better riders......I ran out of talent and if it was not for ABS i would have been head on with a bus. Yes I was an idiot but we all do have our moments as we go through life.....all I can say is modern ABS does not fail (never heard of it) and it works VERY well. Off road I am still old school, I switched it off as I need to be able to lock the rear. But the new ABS is not even necessary to switch off, they work on gravel as well. If you can afford it, go for ABS, every cent worth.

The other post regarding the' 'old African twin and new one - good post. Get better soon with that flue!

I will wait, happy with my Alp and will see if Honda build that 500DS they are talking about (parallel twin also) and then another one to watch is the MT07 engine that some say will go into a mid range ds bike

For those of you who can afford the new Twin, well done  :thumleft: . We will follow the thread.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 07:54:56 am


Why is this relevant ? - Cause it's a bike that is still relevant and competitive in this modern day and age!! You will never see a well-ridden AT being left behind by any other DS bike, unless you're cruising 200+ on tar ...  ::)



Ha ha that is funny about AT not being left behind  :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: tour on August 19, 2015, 06:09:14 pm
Roughrider are you sure with the   :laughing4: :laughing4:...?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rough Rider on August 20, 2015, 09:44:31 am
Roughrider are you sure with the   :laughing4: :laughing4:...?

Your AT doesn't count meneer.  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on August 24, 2015, 09:47:48 am
So is the extra R13 000 for the ABS model over the standard model worth it ?, I have never ridden a bike with ABS and have no inkling of what HSTC is - can this help me on the dirt highways that if I bought this bike I would be using it for  ? 
How reliable are modern ABS systems or is this something that might fail after a serious dose of corrugations and dust day after day ?
I have always thought the more gizmo's added on the more problems but maybe modern ABS etc are very reliable - I am not sure here .
It's quite a bit more to pay for these added extras - is it worth it ?
If one was going too purchase this as a long distance traveller would it not make sense to just get the bog standard one ?


Valid questions.

I have a Varadero that is non ABS, and a S10 with ABS. Leaving aside their obvious differences off road, purely on road they are similar in ways and having done many thousands of K's two up fully loaded on both, it's for that matter alone I would always go for the ABS version. Absolutely.

For me it boils down to this; the day you need ABS is the day the cost involved will be the furtherest thing from your mind.

+100
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 24, 2015, 10:27:25 am
Here is some questions that maybe you guys know the answer too .
In the attached image -
A - is anyone familiar with this kind of pannier attachment ? Will this mean that one can only use Honda racks or panniers .

B - All these hollow areas in the tail area , won't they fill up with mud ?

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on August 24, 2015, 10:30:02 am
That tailpiece almost looks like a CBR roadbike >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on August 24, 2015, 10:40:34 am
A - is anyone familiar with this kind of pannier attachment ? Will this mean that one can only use Honda racks or panniers .

It's the same story with most new bikes. Each brand seems to have their own proprietary design.
It won't take long for Givi/SW Motech/Touratech etc etc to come out with racks for their standard boxes.

B - All these hollow areas in the tail area , won't they fill up with mud ?

Sheesh, well spotted. I have similar hollow areas in the Transalp's tail piece and I've never had an issue. I guess it's something to keep an eye on nonetheless.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DeepBass9 on August 24, 2015, 10:44:45 am
Quote
B - All these hollow areas in the tail area , won't they fill up with mud ?

Not if you use the tyres in the picture.....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on August 24, 2015, 10:59:53 am
Quote
B - All these hollow areas in the tail area , won't they fill up with mud ?

Not if you use the tyres in the picture.....

 :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on August 24, 2015, 01:21:12 pm
A - is anyone familiar with this kind of pannier attachment ? Will this mean that one can only use Honda racks or panniers .

B - All these hollow areas in the tail area , won't they fill up with mud ?

A - they look similar to the pannier mounting points on the 1200GS, which means they'll only accept propriety luggage. It doesn't appear that they'll also double as hoops through which to attach straps as is the case with the GS.

B - yeah, looks like it. But the bike needs a tail tidy anyway so no worries
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JFE on August 24, 2015, 02:45:46 pm
Here is some questions that maybe you guys know the answer too .
In the attached image -
A - is anyone familiar with this kind of pannier attachment ? Will this mean that one can only use Honda racks or panniers .

Yes they are the same as on the VFR1200X Crosstourer and they are robust, never had an issue where ever I went.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rossdog on August 29, 2015, 04:41:35 pm
I really like it, but it's still not (IMHO) what most people were hoping it would be. I'm going to wait for the KTM 690 Adventure rather.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: WildWood on August 29, 2015, 09:02:50 pm
You might just grow old disappointed.
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 30, 2015, 03:23:02 am
I really like it, but it's still not (IMHO) what most people were hoping it would be. I'm going to wait for the KTM 690 Adventure rather.

what were most people hoping it would be ? - it seems like a kick ass long distance dirt road tourer to me , exactly like its predecessor ( we will see ) , that's all a Africa Twin can be  . Did you want it to be a dirt bike for a MX course ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rossdog on August 30, 2015, 06:22:12 am
You might just grow old disappointed.
 
Very true unfortunately.

I really like it, but it's still not (IMHO) what most people were hoping it would be. I'm going to wait for the KTM 690 Adventure rather.

what were most people hoping it would be ? - it seems like a kick ass long distance dirt road tourer to me , exactly like its predecessor ( we will see ) , that's all a Africa Twin can be  . Did you want it to be a dirt bike for a MX course ?

I was hoping it would be sub-200kg with more ground clearance... I still believe there is a market for a real hard core adv. bike. Sub-200kg, capable long travel suspension, high ground clearance. Don't get me wrong Shanti, it's still a nice bike, it's just that the early marketing sloop lead me to believe it would be more sort of "race replica-ish". 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Berty77 on August 31, 2015, 11:36:53 am
CRF is supposed to be a dirt bike.
CR Four stroke.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 31, 2015, 12:38:53 pm
You might just grow old disappointed.
 
Very true unfortunately.

I really like it, but it's still not (IMHO) what most people were hoping it would be. I'm going to wait for the KTM 690 Adventure rather.

what were most people hoping it would be ? - it seems like a kick ass long distance dirt road tourer to me , exactly like its predecessor ( we will see ) , that's all a Africa Twin can be  . Did you want it to be a dirt bike for a MX course ?

I was hoping it would be sub-200kg with more ground clearance... I still believe there is a market for a real hard core adv. bike. Sub-200kg, capable long travel suspension, high ground clearance. Don't get me wrong Shanti, it's still a nice bike, it's just that the early marketing sloop lead me to believe it would be more sort of "race replica-ish". 

According to the specs its got a higher clearance than my KLR ?- KLR 210mm , DR650 264mm , F650GS 190mm , F800GS 241mm , Triumph 800xc 203mm - the Africa Twin comes in at 250mm .
Being sub 200kg is dreaming on a 1000cc engine - you could probably save some KG's on the exhaust - Dave from Honda Knysna reckons the exhaust on the bike weighs 11kg but that might be speculation , remove the passenger pegs ;) you got another saving , nah ---- I think its like its predecessor - a long distance overland travelling bike not suited for MX/enduro riding  .

what you really need is this .........
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on August 31, 2015, 12:40:48 pm
Tell Dave I say howzit :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on August 31, 2015, 12:49:53 pm
Tell Dave I say howzit :thumleft:

Will do - its Andre ?
I will tell him to ride up to your part of the world on his new AT - he put his name down first for the bike , he can't wait
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on August 31, 2015, 01:33:54 pm
Thats it :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 05, 2015, 12:46:56 pm
Hi I think the most important thing about the new AT is going to be were it starts delivering its Torque and how even the torque comes in ie straight line torque. The lower the torque the easier it is to put down on the road and also easier to ride slowly. You will also notice it is not a high revving engine. So this tells you the engine is more about torque than HP.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on September 05, 2015, 09:09:37 pm
Hi I think the most important thing about the new AT is going to be were it starts delivering its Torque and how even the torque comes in ie straight line torque. The lower the torque the easier it is to put down on the road and also easier to ride slowly. You will also notice it is not a high revving engine. So this tells you the engine is more about torque than HP.

Agreed, a parallel twin is all about that torque, the V-twin might have more cc for cc but it weights slightly more too.

It will certainly be interesting to see the new AT on the road.

Welcome by the way, and a short introduction would be advisable here or you will be eaten with a sheapshead as a starter.

 ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 06, 2015, 07:53:12 pm
Hi I think the most important thing about the new AT is going to be were it starts delivering its Torque and how even the torque comes in ie straight line torque. The lower the torque the easier it is to put down on the road and also easier to ride slowly. You will also notice it is not a high revving engine. So this tells you the engine is more about torque than HP.

Agreed, a parallel twin is all about that torque, the V-twin might have more cc for cc but it weights slightly more too.

It will certainly be interesting to see the new AT on the road.

Welcome by the way, and a short introduction would be advisable here or you will be eaten with a sheapshead as a starter.

 ;)

I agree, ride ability off-road is what the buyers probably would be after and this bike might shine at low to mid range
Still (yes a bit negative on my side) I can not see this suspention being better than the WP on the XCX, and for the asking money.....you got to be a real die hard Honda fan to cough up that amount (R155K) for the basic model over the 'all bells and whistles XCX
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 07, 2015, 09:07:26 am
Hi
I am Dave from Honda Knysna. Howzit Andre. I have been told by Honda head in SA that Honda believe that over 85 HP is almost unusable off road. Note  The first AT that won the 4 Paris Dakars were between 55 and 65 HP. Low down torque gives good acceleration and lets you use all your HP quicker. It also allows short shifting and allows you to ride in higher gears for fuel economy. I think this bike (and also hope) will be good for the for the not so confident riders as well as the expert who will be able to exploit its limits confidently. What I want is a reliable. highly capable comfortable bike. I really hope this is the bike. I have ridden the KTM 990 Adventure and love it. But this bike only comes into its own when ridden briskly. To say that it is user friendly would be wrong according to me when it really gets tight it is a bit of a handful.   
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on September 07, 2015, 09:23:50 am
Hi
I am Dave from Honda Knysna. Howzit Andre. I have been told by Honda head in SA that Honda believe that over 85 HP is almost unusable off road. Note  The first AT that won the 4 Paris Dakars were between 55 and 65 HP. Low down torque gives good acceleration and lets you use all your HP quicker. It also allows short shifting and allows you to ride in higher gears for fuel economy. I think this bike (and also hope) will be good for the for the not so confident riders as well as the expert who will be able to exploit its limits confidently. What I want is a reliable. highly capable comfortable bike. I really hope this is the bike. I have ridden the KTM 990 Adventure and love it. But this bike only comes into its own when ridden briskly. To say that it is user friendly would be wrong according to me when it really gets tight it is a bit of a handful.   

Morning and welcome.
Might be in your area tomorrow or wednesday
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 07, 2015, 09:44:03 am
Pop in and say howzit.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on September 07, 2015, 12:48:32 pm
Pop in and say howzit.

I will also be in Knysna later this month and will stop in too.

When do you believe the new AT will be in SA?

Cheers Ian.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 07, 2015, 01:58:13 pm
Great look forward to seeing you. We are told that the launch might take place in SA (being Africa) in October, but the bike orders are rushing in from other countries ie Europe Australia. We always seem to be bottom of the list so I suspect we will only see it at the end of the year or early next year.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: jimjim on September 08, 2015, 09:29:20 pm
... I have been told by Honda head in SA that Honda believe that over 85 HP is almost unusable off road. ...

Well, that bring some other sayings to mind, including those of BigDog:

You only need 19hp to get around the world, anything more is just wheelspin.

Or something to that affect.

And for those who haven't yet discovered the difference between horsepower and torque, here's a good explanation: https://danielmiessler.com/study/horsepower/
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bensien on September 08, 2015, 09:36:35 pm
Hi
I am Dave from Honda Knysna. Howzit Andre. I have been told by Honda head in SA that Honda believe that over 85 HP is almost unusable off road. Note  The first AT that won the 4 Paris Dakars were between 55 and 65 HP. Low down torque gives good acceleration and lets you use all your HP quicker. It also allows short shifting and allows you to ride in higher gears for fuel economy. I think this bike (and also hope) will be good for the for the not so confident riders as well as the expert who will be able to exploit its limits confidently. What I want is a reliable. highly capable comfortable bike. I really hope this is the bike. I have ridden the KTM 990 Adventure and love it. But this bike only comes into its own when ridden briskly. To say that it is user friendly would be wrong according to me when it really gets tight it is a bit of a handful.   

The road to hell is paved with products that were designed to give people what they needed rather than what they would rather have.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 09, 2015, 11:55:01 am
And for those who haven't yet discovered the difference between horsepower and torque, here's a good explanation: https://danielmiessler.com/study/horsepower/

Hi JimJim
Nice article. For the more technical guys here is a basic easier way of explaining engine Torque (obviously the rest of the drive train is adapted to the type of engine.) A longer stroke engine will have a bigger flywheel, rev slower and not so high. These engines generate torque at low RPM and lots of it depending on the length of stroke and size of fly wheel the longer the stroke normally the bigger the fly wheel and the more Torque. However the trade off is lower HP. The big fly wheel keeps the momentum. Exactly the opposite on a short stroke engine of the same displacement smaller fly wheel add more cylinders you need less momentum even smaller fly wheel. These engines generate there torque at higher RPM next to there HP rev higher an freer-er and also have more HP. However actual Torque is defined like your article explained by the twist on a straight pipe or bar.For a laugh Here is how it was explained to us in class at Joburg Technical college by a really cool instructor. He said if you are standing straight up with a hard on and you can push it down you have no torque but if you are like him were he has to really try force it down to the extent that the back of his heels come of the ground thats Torque. 

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on September 09, 2015, 11:59:29 am
Easier explanation without getting horny! :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 09, 2015, 12:27:58 pm
Easier explanation without getting horny! :lol8:
:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on September 09, 2015, 12:52:50 pm
Hi Edgy
Thats excellent.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Komin on September 09, 2015, 02:43:14 pm
Edgy that's so basic even I can understand.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: friggs on September 14, 2015, 09:09:12 pm
Some new videos, nothing super exciting (would have enjoyed longer videos and maybe more technical terrain maybe) but have a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dOed6Osrj4E

Marc Marquez's views:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dp2NJMbUyzg

And Joan Barreda's:

https://www.youtube.com/v/wq5s3npzEek
Ok the video's don't show on my side so here are the links as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOed6Osrj4E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOed6Osrj4E)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2NJMbUyzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2NJMbUyzg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5s3npzEek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5s3npzEek)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on September 14, 2015, 09:21:27 pm
Thx!   :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on September 14, 2015, 10:00:58 pm
Some new videos, nothing super exciting (would have enjoyed longer videos and maybe more technical terrain maybe) but have a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dOed6Osrj4E

Marc Marquez's views:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dp2NJMbUyzg

And Joan Barreda's:

https://www.youtube.com/v/wq5s3npzEek

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: friggs on September 15, 2015, 09:02:52 am
Shot Sláinte Mhaith, fixed mine using your repost/quote  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: teebag on October 01, 2015, 07:55:29 am
Adventure pack

(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12072644_10153366524030186_3884789175042992392_n.jpg?oh=bfaa8ef01a62b0e4712d259fb3d50d3e&oe=568F946D)

(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-8/11222200_10153366532595186_2557419934713602745_o.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on October 01, 2015, 07:58:59 am
 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 01, 2015, 09:49:42 am
some-one has terrible taste in music
https://www.youtube.com/v/HzR-LjtIkg4
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 01, 2015, 10:15:13 am
some more pictures found ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 01, 2015, 10:37:11 am
so if this picture of fuel consumption is to be believed 4.2L-100km so 23.8km to the litre and the tank is 18.8 litres that would give it a hypothetical range of  447km ( in a perfectly flat , smooth , windless world :) )
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: OomD on October 01, 2015, 10:38:28 am
That is one huge, and very nice looking, instrument cluster.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 13, 2015, 08:13:55 pm
Some good pics - and a great line up of older Honda bikes
https://www.youtube.com/v/wMmShk1lJ9M
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rossdog on October 14, 2015, 02:47:22 pm
Shanti, you are going to have to get yourself one of these.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 14, 2015, 04:05:13 pm
Some good pics - and a great line up of older Honda bikes
https://www.youtube.com/v/wMmShk1lJ9M

Awesome stuff - thx!!!  8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on October 15, 2015, 04:30:47 pm
Bit of a nothing video but "16/10/15" at the end is significant...I'm looking forward to some real-world reviews.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rSU1q_vbzdk
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 15, 2015, 09:10:54 pm
That's tomorrow!!!  :biggrin: :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on October 15, 2015, 10:09:40 pm
That's tomorrow!!!  :biggrin: :drif:

About time I say! tired of waiting for this or I'll keep my NC until 2025
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on October 15, 2015, 11:02:18 pm
This looks to be the business

I jist hope it lives up to its reputation
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on October 16, 2015, 07:59:24 am
This looks to be the business

I jist hope it lives up to its reputation

It might live up to its reputation but it can't live up to the hype.
I'm sure it'll be a disappointment to those who want it to be both a GS and a KTM slayer. This bike will be yet another option in the big trailie market. It'll be a compromise like the GS, the Superten, the 1190, etc.
I for one am very interested but I don't expect it to be an overpowered XR650R. It'll probably be more like a fat XR650L
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Mooch on October 16, 2015, 08:16:11 am
...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 16, 2015, 08:18:40 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 1ougat on October 16, 2015, 08:31:10 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see

You obviously a Honda fan in the mould of the classic ToyotaHiluxcandonowrongeventhoughallthestatstellsyouotherwiseandyoudon'tevenknowthatyoupayingR20000morefortheprivilegeofriding15yearoldtechjustbecauseitsayToyota fan  .... maybe can I suggest widening your horizons and look wider than the red blinkered view ... yes a Africa Twin bike is going to be good but a postie ... jees try maybe a TW and make old 2SD hart warm or go and try a BMW -- ok I agree you can only ride a postie for 15 km ... you win ... ok you mentioned also a KLR in your post ... no you Da Man .. i got you totally wrong ... ok not  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 16, 2015, 08:35:12 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see

You obviously a Honda fan in the mould of the classic ToyotaHiluxcandonowrongeventhoughallthestatstellsyouotherwiseandyoudon'tevenknowthatyoupayingR20000morefortheprivilegeofriding15yearoldtechjustbecauseitsayToyota fan  .... maybe can I suggest widening your horizons and look wider than the red blinkered view ... yes a Africa Twin bike is going to be good but a postie ... jees try maybe a TW and make old 2SD hart warm or go and try a BMW -- ok I agree you can only ride a postie for 15 km ... you win ... ok you mentioned also a KLR in your post ... no you Da Man .. i got you totally wrong ... ok not  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Jeez thats a lot of presumption - whats my star sign ? Talk about rambling in a circle :)
trying a BMW ? why ? I am not 50 yet

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 1ougat on October 16, 2015, 08:53:28 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see

You obviously a Honda fan in the mould of the classic ToyotaHiluxcandonowrongeventhoughallthestatstellsyouotherwiseandyoudon'tevenknowthatyoupayingR20000morefortheprivilegeofriding15yearoldtechjustbecauseitsayToyota fan  .... maybe can I suggest widening your horizons and look wider than the red blinkered view ... yes a Africa Twin bike is going to be good but a postie ... jees try maybe a TW and make old 2SD hart warm or go and try a BMW -- ok I agree you can only ride a postie for 15 km ... you win ... ok you mentioned also a KLR in your post ... no you Da Man .. i got you totally wrong ... ok not  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Jeez thats a lot of presumption - whats my star sign ? Talk about rambling in a circle :)
trying a BMW ? why ? I am not 50 yet



You you got me ... over 50 ... but giving you advise your dad should have given you ... broaden you horizons early  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 16, 2015, 08:54:39 am
It will just be so damn nice to see this fresh new choice in the market - something focussed on the experience and on quality - and not just something "force-fed" to the market in a race of numbers & size & acronyms!!! People speak-out freely against the "hype" about it, but what about the years and years and years of HYPE about the GS and large KTM's ....  ::) Maybe just maybe there's more to DS biking than the "Obvious two "in" choices" !  ::)

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 16, 2015, 09:01:16 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see

You obviously a Honda fan in the mould of the classic ToyotaHiluxcandonowrongeventhoughallthestatstellsyouotherwiseandyoudon'tevenknowthatyoupayingR20000morefortheprivilegeofriding15yearoldtechjustbecauseitsayToyota fan  .... maybe can I suggest widening your horizons and look wider than the red blinkered view ... yes a Africa Twin bike is going to be good but a postie ... jees try maybe a TW and make old 2SD hart warm or go and try a BMW -- ok I agree you can only ride a postie for 15 km ... you win ... ok you mentioned also a KLR in your post ... no you Da Man .. i got you totally wrong ... ok not  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Jeez thats a lot of presumption - whats my star sign ? Talk about rambling in a circle :)
trying a BMW ? why ? I am not 50 yet



You you got me ... over 50 ... but giving you advise your dad should have given you ... broaden you horizons early  :biggrin:

My Dad would have had me on a Norton - but then he had fond memories of fixing his bike on the side of the road .
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 1ougat on October 16, 2015, 09:05:08 am
I am going to get one when they come out , I am under no illusion as to the capabilities of the bike and see it as something I can use for long distance ridding - trips around southern Africa , shooting down to CPT to visit my son etc - my bike garage will be complete with a smaller bike to ride more technical and tough rides .
This is what I would like to see in my garage in the next few years
 - a CT110 for visiting neighbors on nearby farms ( max range 15km ) - have one that I am fixing up .
- CRF1000L for my long trips - when it ever gets released............
and as yet to be decided a sub 500cc bike for rough play and single track exploration - probably either a XR400 or a CRF250L

Coming from a KLR which is a bit of a jack of all trades I am looking forward to a bike that can handle long stretches of slab and desert highways - lets see

You obviously a Honda fan in the mould of the classic ToyotaHiluxcandonowrongeventhoughallthestatstellsyouotherwiseandyoudon'tevenknowthatyoupayingR20000morefortheprivilegeofriding15yearoldtechjustbecauseitsayToyota fan  .... maybe can I suggest widening your horizons and look wider than the red blinkered view ... yes a Africa Twin bike is going to be good but a postie ... jees try maybe a TW and make old 2SD hart warm or go and try a BMW -- ok I agree you can only ride a postie for 15 km ... you win ... ok you mentioned also a KLR in your post ... no you Da Man .. i got you totally wrong ... ok not  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Jeez thats a lot of presumption - whats my star sign ? Talk about rambling in a circle :)
trying a BMW ? why ? I am not 50 yet



You you got me ... over 50 ... but giving you advise your dad should have given you ... broaden you horizons early  :biggrin:

My Dad would have had me on a Norton - but then he had fond memories of fixing his bike on the side of the road .

All good experiences I also had and you missing out on ... yes listen to him  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 16, 2015, 09:29:57 am
Done my penance at the side of the road  on various bikes in the middle of nowhere ......
I do like the Japanese bikes - cheers for the heads up 1ougat  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on October 16, 2015, 11:21:23 am
This looks to be the business

I jist hope it lives up to its reputation

It might live up to its reputation but it can't live up to the hype.
I'm sure it'll be a disappointment to those who want it to be both a GS and a KTM slayer. This bike will be yet another option in the big trailie market. It'll be a compromise like the GS, the Superten, the 1190, etc.
I for one am very interested but I don't expect it to be an overpowered XR650R. It'll probably be more like a fat XR650L

Sensible stuff there Lucky.

One should take the marketing material with a bit of salt. It's meant to make the bike look cool. But bikes in this class is not built to be jumped, raced and slid around every corner.

One should see the bike for what it is: Honda's version of a 1liter DS bike. It will be most happy when cruising tar and good dirt roads, as that is what it will be used for 99.5% of the time.

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Post by: subie on October 16, 2015, 11:40:44 am
This looks to be the business

I jist hope it lives up to its reputation

It might live up to its reputation but it can't live up to the hype.
I'm sure it'll be a disappointment to those who want it to be both a GS and a KTM slayer. This bike will be yet another option in the big trailie market. It'll be a compromise like the GS, the Superten, the 1190, etc.
I for one am very interested but I don't expect it to be an overpowered XR650R. It'll probably be more like a fat XR650L

Sensible stuff there Lucky.

One should take the marketing material with a bit of salt. It's meant to make the bike look cool. But bikes in this class is not built to be jumped, raced and slid around every corner.

One should see the bike for what it is: Honda's version of a 1liter DS bike. It will be most happy when cruising tar and good dirt roads, as that is what it will be used for 99.5% of the time.



100%  :thumleft:
I had 3 crashes on dirt roads with my XT. Damage total R2500.
Wonder what would the damage come to on a bike like this after just one crash  :eek7:
It sure is pretty though  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: EssBee on October 16, 2015, 02:44:00 pm
I absolutely love the looks of that thing! Awesome! :drif: :drif: :drif:
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Post by: 2wdrift on October 16, 2015, 03:08:16 pm
If it turns out to be reliable I would be very interested. After having owned the 1190R I have done the whole super fast adventure bike thing. Its nice but I want a reliable bike for the foreseeable future. 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 16, 2015, 03:12:25 pm
Hi Guys
I tried to post earlier obviously didnt do it right follow link for latest Honda Press release. ;D     

 http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2151016eng-crf1000l.html?r=m (http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2151016eng-crf1000l.html?r=m) 
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Post by: Omninorm on October 16, 2015, 03:26:59 pm
Some new videos, nothing super exciting (would have enjoyed longer videos and maybe more technical terrain maybe) but have a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dOed6Osrj4E

Marc Marquez's views:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dp2NJMbUyzg

And Joan Barreda's:

https://www.youtube.com/v/wq5s3npzEek
Ok the video's don't show on my side so here are the links as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOed6Osrj4E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOed6Osrj4E)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2NJMbUyzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2NJMbUyzg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5s3npzEek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5s3npzEek)

Very nice. Very clever video editing in parts as well.  Esp after the jump etc. BUT great bike. I'm 100% of the same opinion as LuckyStriker though.
"It might live up to its reputation but it can't live up to the hype."
Same play area as all the other heavier bikes from Yamaha, BMW, KTM, Triump.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on October 16, 2015, 03:27:31 pm
Hi Guys
I tried to post earlier obviously didnt do it right follow link for latest Honda Press release. ;D     

 http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2151016eng-crf1000l.html?r=m (http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2151016eng-crf1000l.html?r=m) 

Nice Friday afternoon reading  :sip:

Optional Extra: "DCT foot shifter" ?
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Post by: Xpat on October 16, 2015, 04:50:28 pm
Here is the long version for you Honda lovers:

https://www.youtube.com/v/VSR0NMpSrQM
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 17, 2015, 10:42:36 am
Nice Video pretty much answers all the doubters love the suspension travel cant wait for my bike. :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Spastic Spy on October 18, 2015, 08:22:45 am
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 1ougat on October 18, 2015, 09:40:23 am
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?

not really  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Grondpaaie on October 18, 2015, 10:29:04 am
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?

I can :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 0012 on October 18, 2015, 03:24:08 pm
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?


 :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: chicco on October 18, 2015, 08:42:04 pm
waiting for the test ride before I will spend my money. After my KTM fetish  (non sexial... :patch:) I'm eager to move to something cheaper.....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 18, 2015, 08:57:44 pm
Watching the Barreda/Marques reviews, it is quite clear just watching from the jumping that this AT is definitely superior to others in it's class offroad.

This is of course only one of the roles it will have to fill.

It does look like a winner, relatively speaking.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: lpj on October 18, 2015, 09:03:42 pm
Unfortunatly it's going to be to expensive for me, and I'm assuming another 80% of the wannebe owners...  :lamer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cracker on October 18, 2015, 09:26:53 pm
u already got a 950 - why would you swop that for the Honda?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 19, 2015, 04:12:35 pm
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?

I would love to agree with you, but the GS and KTM following respectively is very strong!  :patch:
The AT will have to be at least twice as good plus Honda will have to bless it with a lot of snob & life style appeal to be a threat to the "system" ...  :-\
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: iamgigglz on October 20, 2015, 07:14:53 am
Can you imagine how GS's and KTM's will flood the second hand market after the AT is released?

I would love to agree with you, but the GS and KTM following respectively is very strong!  :patch:
The AT will have to be at least twice as good plus Honda will have to bless it with a lot of snob & life style appeal to be a threat to the "system" ...  :-\

I think we'll see a number of F800GSs on the market from the guys wanting something a bit bigger but not wanting a battleship or a KTM.
Transalps too; I wonder how many guys there are like me who are loyal to the Honda brand and want an all-rounder more capable than the trusty 'Alp. The XR is fantastic off-road and around town but old tech and not exactly a highway machine, and the Crosstourer is the opposite. The AT is a brilliant middle-ground.
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Post by: Tom van Brits on October 20, 2015, 04:38:32 pm
And I will wait for one of those blue Alpscwith the golden colored rims

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 22, 2015, 10:14:57 pm
The after-market is busy ...  :deal:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2015, 09:27:56 am
New Brchure From Honda SA.   
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2015, 09:36:36 am
Sorry it wont post file to big.
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Post by: wiledog_X on October 23, 2015, 10:00:48 am
Sorry it wont post file to big.

just share the link to the file.  :thumleft:
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Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2015, 12:59:38 pm
Hi it wont take the link as it from a private Honda PDF. But I am working on it.
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Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2015, 02:23:58 pm
Tried again in different format
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Post by: XRRX on October 23, 2015, 03:38:14 pm
Thanks - awe! ;)
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Post by: Rossdog on October 26, 2015, 12:49:40 pm
That Akro pipe changes the whole look of the bike. Nice!!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 29, 2015, 09:09:31 am
http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html (http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html)

Hi Guys
Press Release from Honda SA. Looks Like the Bike is going to be launched Internationally in SA. 8)
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Post by: Koet on October 29, 2015, 09:15:55 am
 :thumleft:
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Post by: shanti on October 29, 2015, 11:47:23 am
http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html (http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html)

Hi Guys
Press Release from Honda SA. Looks Like the Bike is going to be launched Internationally in SA. 8)

That's great Dave , does that mean I can come pick up my bike on Monday 7th ? ;)
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Post by: Rough Rider on October 29, 2015, 12:44:23 pm
http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html (http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html)

Hi Guys
Press Release from Honda SA. Looks Like the Bike is going to be launched Internationally in SA. 8)

That makes sense, considering that it is called "Africa Twin" .
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Post by: Tom van Brits on October 29, 2015, 02:43:20 pm
Correct, and that mean to say there sill be many demo bikes available at (maybe) fair prices with factory warrantee. This indeed makes sense.....it must be zomewhere in Africa an Honda is benefitting with the weak rand by having it in Sa

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on October 29, 2015, 02:48:10 pm
So Honda is doing it here for the cheap party :) I'll take one of the bikes that has had a journalist on it for a few Km's
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on October 29, 2015, 03:44:37 pm
So Honda is doing it here for the cheap party :) I'll take one of the bikes that has had a journalist on it for a few Km's

Stand in line boet   :peepwall:

Have it on fairly good authority its gonna happen here................
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Superboet on October 29, 2015, 04:11:29 pm
Any price indication?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on October 29, 2015, 04:13:50 pm
Any price indication?

I think if you look somewhere in this thread they were talking around R155k for the base model and all the way to R185k for the DCT, Abs and what what model
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on October 29, 2015, 04:32:09 pm
Good news - hope they have it here in the Southern Cape - Baviaans; Hell and so on ...  :peepwall: :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on October 29, 2015, 06:25:45 pm
Good news - hope they have it here in the Southern Cape - Baviaans; Hell and so on ...  :peepwall: :3some:

Whispers of it being in the Overberg  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 30, 2015, 09:37:33 am
 I spoke to Honda yesterday trying to organize myself one of the bikes from the launch. I was informed the bikes are all pre-production bikes and were for the launch (which should have taken place already but has been delayed) in Spain. Due to time of year and weather it has been moved to SA but all bikes go back to Europe after the launch :(. First bikes expected in SA middle of February. 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 30, 2015, 12:00:53 pm
That is going to cost them big time.....shipping thebikes back to Europe. I just wonder why this model gets delayd over and over again.....i hope there will not be any teething problems once the bike is released. However, Honda has got a very good reputation on reliability and lets hope the bikes will be all good frombthe start

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Post by: drewdza on October 30, 2015, 12:09:52 pm
Any price indication?

I think if you look somewhere in this thread they were talking around R155k for the base model and all the way to R185k for the DCT, Abs and what what model

With the current exchange rate I suspect there is little chance of a R155K base price. I'd estimate R165K minimum. Hell the Tiger XCx is now R150K and climbing  :o
I also dont understand why the base model is without ABS? In 2016? ABS should be mandatory. You can always turn it off.
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Post by: Catchy on October 30, 2015, 12:55:00 pm
That is going to cost them big time.....shipping thebikes back to Europe. I just wonder why this model gets delayd over and over again.....i hope there will not be any teething problems once the bike is released. However, Honda has got a very good reputation on reliability and lets hope the bikes will be all good frombthe start

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How can there be delays if Honda themselves never officially set a launch date?
Lets just hope they get it right first time.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on October 30, 2015, 01:42:09 pm
Hi The reason for the delay,i s more and more countries want the bike as there stock Item. Initially it was Europe SA and Aussie. Now the states who previously didnt have access and certain Asian countries want it. The Old AT was only supplied to SA and Europe. Honda has to build up stock to supply every one at the same time. This is what I have been told whether its bull or not I dont Know.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on October 30, 2015, 07:11:15 pm
Yawn! I will be riding my XR650L, XR650R and NC700X in the interim and be happy for it. By the time the new AT gets here which is probably in mid 2016
the ZAR would probably have taken another nosedive into being able to afford the new AT @ R180K for the base model. I could never warrant trading two
sweet XR's and a boring NC commuter and still having to put in R45K cash to arrive at a one bike solution. If I was a rich fucker I would buy the new AT on
the spot right now. Reality confirms this is not so, so my multi bike approach will have to suffice for the moment. Gotta get rid of some of the old german and
japanese relics in the garage first.

Looking forward to the first Ride Reports and reviews by the international press in the SA launch too. Should be a Cracker!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 30, 2015, 07:22:38 pm
Yawn! I will be riding my XR650L, XR650R and NC700X in the interim and be happy for it. By the time the new AT gets here which is probably in mid 2016
the ZAR would probably have taken another nosedive into being able to afford the new AT @ R180K for the base model. I could never warrant trading two
sweet XR's and a boring NC commuter and still having to put in R45K cash to arrive at a one bike solution. If I was a rich fucker I would buy the new AT on
the spot right now. Reality confirms this is not so, so my multi bike approach will have to suffice for the moment. Gotta get rid of some of the old german and
japanese relics in the garage first.

Looking forward to the first Ride Reports and reviews by the international press in the SA launch too. Should be a Cracker!

Which old Japanese relics have you got? :thumleft:

The German relics you can sell to the navy as anchors.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on October 31, 2015, 09:58:43 am
Any price indication?

I think if you look somewhere in this thread they were talking around R155k for the base model and all the way to R185k for the DCT, Abs and what what model

With the current exchange rate I suspect there is little chance of a R155K base price. I'd estimate R165K minimum. Hell the Tiger XCx is now R150K and climbing  :o
I also dont understand why the base model is without ABS? In 2016? ABS should be mandatory. You can always turn it off.

Agreed ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Rossdog on November 02, 2015, 02:27:50 pm
This bike has really grown on me, but there's no way I could afford one now. What I'd like to do over the next few years is build one like this - the next best thing. I was going to do a Marlboro Rallye replica of a R800GS, but then I rode one, and changed my mind immediately  ::)

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fudge on November 02, 2015, 03:21:06 pm
This bike has really grown on me, but there's no way I could afford one now. What I'd like to do over the next few years is build one like this - the next best thing. I was going to do a Marlboro Rallye replica of a R800GS, but then I rode one, and changed my mind immediately  ::)


:drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fudge on November 02, 2015, 03:41:19 pm
Sorry for the slight hijack, but the Twin in that photo caused a serious flashback!  :biggrin:

I recall seeing one of these up close and personal back in the day and remember being blown away. Wanted one ever since then...  :3some:
The official Honda Africa Twin XRV 'Marathon' - http://www.xrv650story.eu/xrv-stories/xrv-marathon (http://www.xrv650story.eu/xrv-stories/xrv-marathon)

- http://www.nightwings.org/Marathon/Marathon-home-en.html (http://www.nightwings.org/Marathon/Marathon-home-en.html)

(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20B/Honda%20AfricaTwin%20Marathon%20650%20%202.jpg)

(http://www.xrv650story.eu/images/os_imagegallery_120/original/boano.jpg)

(http://www.xrv650story.eu/images/MarathonXRV/kitrini.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on November 02, 2015, 06:54:48 pm
Aaaaaahhhhhh

That was nice.


Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 04, 2015, 02:50:49 pm
Africa Twin it's real ..........
https://www.youtube.com/v/DzpMku2-ljY
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2015, 05:46:49 pm
Africa Twin it's real ..........

Wow, I forgot what a weird decade the 80's was.
Nice pimp suit, not.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 04, 2015, 06:05:18 pm
Any price indication?

I think if you look somewhere in this thread they were talking around R155k for the base model and all the way to R185k for the DCT, Abs and what what model

With the current exchange rate I suspect there is little chance of a R155K base price. I'd estimate R165K minimum. Hell the Tiger XCx is now R150K and climbing  :o
I also dont understand why the base model is without ABS? In 2016? ABS should be mandatory. You can always turn it off.

Jeez I remember the tiger being just over 100k. Flip
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 05, 2015, 09:53:16 am
Mate of mine said he might have seen one all camouflaged here in Cape Town with a bunch of sensors and tape on.  he may or may not have been seeing things.
 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: plonker on November 05, 2015, 11:48:20 am
Mate of mine said he might have seen one all camouflaged here in Cape Town with a bunch of sensors and tape on.  he may or may not have been seeing things.
 

Why is he known to have a little ting a ling and then exaggerate after surfing :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 08, 2015, 10:01:59 pm
Mate of mine said he might have seen one all camouflaged here in Cape Town with a bunch of sensors and tape on.  he may or may not have been seeing things.
 

Why is he known to have a little ting a ling and then exaggerate after surfing :ricky:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Komin on November 10, 2015, 10:04:09 am
Whether the new Twin lives up to the hype or not Honda did a great campaign and managed to generate a lot of interest.
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Post by: Tom van Brits on November 10, 2015, 09:53:51 pm
True, this is on everyones lips in every bike shop and water hole where the bikers meet. I hope it will live up to the expextation. Must say the new twin is photo genic atleast. Not many bikes are for example the new Dl1000 strom. Looks much better in real life. A lotbof talk also about a 500twin ds bike from Honda

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Post by: Omninorm on November 11, 2015, 03:36:50 pm
True, this is on everyones lips in every bike shop and water hole where the bikers meet. I hope it will live up to the expextation. Must say the new twin is photo genic atleast. Not many bikes are for example the new Dl1000 strom. Looks much better in real life. A lotbof talk also about a 500twin ds bike from Honda

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500twin ds bike from Honda

Now THAT will be something!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zetman on November 11, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
 :ricky:
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-cb500x-off-road-kit/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-cb500x-off-road-kit/)


http://www.cb500xadventure.com/ (http://www.cb500xadventure.com/)

UK-based Rally Raid Products has developed an off-road performance upgrade kit for the Honda CB500X. The CB-X Adventure Kit is a suite of components that turn the stock Honda CB500X into a more dirt-capable, globe-crossing adventure touring motorcycle. Rally Raid Products chose the Honda CB500X as an Adventure Bike platform because of the bike’s affordability (US MSRP $6,299 for non-ABS model), reliability and low maintenance requirements, readily available parts and service on every continent.

The stock CB500X offers a counterbalanced 471cc parallel-twin with a 6-speed transmission that provides a smoother highway ride compared to other single-cylinder dual sport bikes in the middle-weight category. A 4.5-gallon fuel tank gives the CB500X a range of roughly 200 miles with a burn rate of around 50 mpg. With a wet weight of 430 lbs (195 kg), low seat height and smooth power output (roughly 45 hp), it’s less intimidating than many of the 800cc+ Adventure Bikes that dominate the class.

The CB500X has always been a versatile machine but it’s never been known for its off-road capability. With 5.5 inches of suspension travel in front and 4.7 inches in the rear, along with the 17 inch cast wheels and only 6.5 inches ground clearance, the stock CB500X is limited to light trail work.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on November 11, 2015, 03:49:42 pm
That's a BAD photoshop....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 11, 2015, 03:54:39 pm
That's a BAD photoshop....

As far as I know it is an actual bike that was converted into DS. It is not made that way at all.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zetman on November 11, 2015, 03:59:57 pm
 :biggrin: Nope  this bike is real and You can built it from a kit by Rallyraid in the UK
pity our Rand is so weak
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 11, 2015, 04:17:11 pm
:biggrin: Nope  this bike is real and You can built it from a kit by Rallyraid in the UK
pity our Rand is so weak
d

And it needs a bit of protection as well. I see there is a small plate by the oil filter but rest is exposed,and those plastics won't be cheap either
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on November 11, 2015, 04:34:21 pm
:biggrin: Nope  this bike is real and You can built it from a kit by Rallyraid in the UK
pity our Rand is so weak
Pointless, you are going to spend 40k or more for the kit over and above the bikes price and then still sit with a heavy bike with limited off road capability
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 13, 2015, 10:18:09 am
:biggrin: Nope  this bike is real and You can built it from a kit by Rallyraid in the UK
pity our Rand is so weak

I have seen the conversions yeah/

I thought Honda will be doing a 500x.
if not...then it's pointless. cause one can convert any bike if you want to.

Title: Re:
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 13, 2015, 05:26:27 pm
Like said, I have already read it a while ago that Honda is working on a 500 twind adventure bike and NOT the cobvertiond mentioned here

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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 14, 2015, 07:15:26 pm
Word has it that 300 international journo's has been invited for this launch somewhere in the Western Cape ...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on November 14, 2015, 07:16:44 pm
Word has it that 300 international journo's has been invited for this launch somewhere in the Western Cape ...  :peepwall:

Also heard tht  :3some:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Malibu on November 16, 2015, 04:39:09 pm
Frustration... ADA is hosting the launch of the bike in the Cedarberg, and we don't even get to play... they are flying the bikes in, doing the launch, and flying the bikes straight out again... :(
I'll try get some pics as things happen from the team down there...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 16, 2015, 05:06:40 pm
AFAIK the local press isn't invited.
We'll probably get a SA launch once the European market is satiated
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 17, 2015, 12:24:54 pm
Am at EICMA for the week, will try and snap some pics of the launch, and post them here.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 17, 2015, 02:38:35 pm
Am at EICMA for the week, will try and snap some pics of the launch, and post them here.
Cheers
Chris

 :thumleft: :thumleft: Sub !   :sip:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 17, 2015, 04:29:55 pm
A couple of pics out there
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Post by: Vintage_Mania on November 17, 2015, 04:36:00 pm
It is definitely NOT ugly.

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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 17, 2015, 04:43:48 pm
It is definitely NOT ugly.

I agree. I actually feel a little emotional looking at those pics
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Post by: shanti on November 17, 2015, 04:49:33 pm
tail tidy , different exhaust , rear side panels , footpegs , engine guard , seat , rear rack - a mere 4000 euro's of bling - aftermarket is going to have a field day
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Post by: Ganjora on November 17, 2015, 04:53:55 pm
Exquisite.
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Post by: shanti on November 17, 2015, 05:08:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/XaCn1S3G32A
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Post by: whitedelight on November 17, 2015, 05:29:03 pm
Those last pics are great,from the add ons to the colour scheme
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Post by: DirtRebell on November 17, 2015, 05:46:24 pm
A couple of pics out there

Donner dis mooi  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 17, 2015, 06:00:19 pm
tail tidy , different exhaust , rear side panels , footpegs , engine guard , seat , rear rack - a mere 4000 euro's of bling - aftermarket is going to have a field day

Yes, the bike in those pictures without stepped seat and with proper exhaust and tail tidy looks really good. Honda learned BMW lesson and pulled in Touratech to prepare tons of accessories (most of them useless IMO) already for the launch. To my untrained eyes these will make the bike look plain ridiculous (like crashbars), but the options will be there:

https://www.youtube.com/v/x-MSFKKrTEI

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Post by: Jehan on November 17, 2015, 06:08:56 pm
 :drif: :drif: :drif:  Blikskater!!!!

Definitief my volgende fiets, MAAR sal steeds my huidige AT hou.  Dit bly nog steeds my droom bike.

Kan nie wag dat die nuwe AT hier beskikbaar is nie.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 17, 2015, 06:27:24 pm
Honda learned BMW lesson and pulled in Touratech to prepare tons of accessories (most of them useless IMO) already for the launch. To my untrained eyes these will make the bike look plain ridiculous (like crashbars), but the options will be there:

Touratech is the motorcycling version of an Alaskan refrigerator salesman.
Touratech, creating solutions to problems that don't exist since 1990.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: skydiver on November 17, 2015, 08:20:16 pm
Oh man....this bike looks good  :drif:
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Post by: gser on November 17, 2015, 08:28:02 pm
Meerkatting in Bavaria , LOL
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Post by: BLK on November 17, 2015, 08:47:48 pm
Looks great but nothing my GS800 can't do.
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Post by: DirtRebell on November 17, 2015, 08:53:36 pm
Looks great but nothing the average rider on a Vespa can't do.


Fixed
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Post by: BLK on November 17, 2015, 09:03:44 pm
I wonder if the parts bin will be well supported here in SA!!
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Post by: zacapa on November 17, 2015, 10:04:30 pm
Yawn!
We have been waiting for a long time now for the Honda PR machine to deliver the goods. Anyone getting excited about this?
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Post by: Superboet on November 18, 2015, 09:09:43 am
It is looking better every time I see a new pic. That look on the video next to the old one.  :o
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Post by: XRRX on November 18, 2015, 11:34:03 am
 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: etc.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 18, 2015, 01:39:37 pm
Yawn!
We have been waiting for a long time now for the Honda PR machine to deliver the goods. Anyone getting excited about this?
Yes, I'm excited, in Milan at the launch, have not YET even got to the Honda Stand, but there is a new AT on the Touratech stand, and it looks them business, though more '1200 size' than '800 size', if you get my drift.

Cheers
Chris
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Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 18, 2015, 02:19:52 pm
only thing i dont like is the digital speedo - it is so 1980s back to the future  ::)
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 18, 2015, 02:54:53 pm
only thing i dont like is the digital speedo - it is so 1980s back to the future  ::)
It seems you like a dash with needles too? I hate these running numbers on the speedos. :biggrin:
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Post by: Tom van Brits on November 18, 2015, 08:31:58 pm
only thing i dont like is the digital speedo - it is so 1980s back to the future  ::)
It seems you like a dash with needles too? I hate these running numbers on the speedos. :biggrin:

Same for me but I just need to accept it is the 'new way'  :)
One eventually gets used to it, the benefit with the digital era for me is the road computer - fuel usage etc

Must say this bike is growing on me by the day, looking awesome
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Delport on November 19, 2015, 05:46:43 am
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.

So basically 990 specs? +-
The bike is good looking.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 19, 2015, 11:17:20 am
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.

So basically 990 specs? +-
The bike is good looking.

very good....!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12279236_10207355473145685_6133337911645584525_n.jpg?oh=07c108d750a96a8fd62006114c37f2cc&oe=56F892D5)
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Post by: DeepBass9 on November 19, 2015, 11:22:18 am
Those knobblies won't last long when 100hp is applied to them....
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: JC on November 19, 2015, 01:24:00 pm
It is definitely NOT ugly.

I agree. I actually feel a little emotional looking at those pics

with a faint tingling in the nether regions

 :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 19, 2015, 01:41:48 pm
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.

So basically 990 specs? +-
The bike is good looking.

Also thinks it falls nicely in the gap that the 990 leaves open.

200kg wet? not likely. maybe 200kg dry yes.

That engine and bash plate looks very wide on the photos.
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Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:05:46 pm
1000cc paralel twin
100hp
200kg wet
20l feul
250mm suspension
I like.

So basically 990 specs? +-
The bike is good looking.

Also thinks it falls nicely in the gap that the 990 leaves open.

200kg wet? not likely. maybe 200kg dry yes.

That engine and bash plate looks very wide on the photos.

As I also recall the earlier spec when it was announced.
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Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2015, 02:16:29 pm
Also thinks it falls nicely in the gap that the 990 leaves open.

200kg wet? not likely. maybe 200kg dry yes.

That engine and bash plate looks very wide on the photos.

that would be around the 240kg mark,  wet?
what was the 950 wet?
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Post by: Mr Zog on November 19, 2015, 02:20:05 pm
Also thinks it falls nicely in the gap that the 990 leaves open.

200kg wet? not likely. maybe 200kg dry yes.

That engine and bash plate looks very wide on the photos.

that would be around the 240kg mark,  wet?
what was the 950 wet?

drowned  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2015, 02:21:42 pm
drowned  :peepwall:

shut up,  fool.
i am serious.
i can already picture this bike in a corner of my garage,  never being ridden,  and living on a charger.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:22:06 pm
Also thinks it falls nicely in the gap that the 990 leaves open.

200kg wet? not likely. maybe 200kg dry yes.

That engine and bash plate looks very wide on the photos.

that would be around the 240kg mark,  wet?
what was the 950 wet?


Same as the old AT I think, around 230kg.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:25:25 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2015, 02:27:51 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

same sentiment here.
any idea's on when and how much in SA?
i also want the red and white one with gold wheels and forks.
anyone know the seat height?   my 950 was a bit difficult to remain stationary on...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:33:27 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

same sentiment here.
any idea's on when and how much in SA?
i also want the red and white one with gold wheels and forks.
anyone know the seat height?   my 950 was a bit difficult to remain stationary on...

The model above is the one that comes in lots of colours, I think, and is the up-spec one. Not sure what the basic model looks like but understand the price is R154k.
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Post by: Xpat on November 19, 2015, 02:35:41 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

The above model is blinged out with different seat, pipe, side panels and bashplate - so will cost above standard, but looking IMO as it should.

As far as I remember there are three models:
- Standard/basic: no ABS, no Traction Control, no automatic transmission (that is the one I would get if I would be into this bike - and that one is roughly those 230 kg wet).
- medium (or whatever is it called: ABS and traction control (somewhat heavier)
- top: ABS, traction control and auto transmission (wet weight about 245kg if I remember correctly)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Fudge on November 19, 2015, 02:38:19 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

same sentiment here.
any idea's on when and how much in SA?
i also want the red and white one with gold wheels and forks.
anyone know the seat height?   my 950 was a bit difficult to remain stationary on...
:pot: You can thank me later... :biggrin:
(http://www.yomister.com/image/data/0/sport-shoes/Nike-Dunks-SB-shoes/Nike-Dunks-SB-High-Heels/Cheap-Womens-Nike-dunk-sb-high-heels-SkyBlue-Red-White-Boots-Ladies-for-Wholesale-3526.jpg)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:38:29 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

The above model is blinged out with different seat, pipe, side panels and bashplate - so will cost above standard, but looking IMO as it should.

As far as I remember there are three models:
- Standard/basic: no ABS, no Traction Control, no automatic transmission (that is the one I would get if I would be into this bike - and that one is roughly those 230 kg wet).
- medium (or whatever is it called: ABS and traction control (somewhat heavier)
- top: ABS, traction control and auto transmission (wet weight about 245kg if I remember correctly)


 :thumleft: So off the floor they all have the same build and ergonomics, just different colours and specs between models ?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 19, 2015, 02:40:28 pm
Yep, the same bike as far as I know. The best one looking IMO is the one on the picture above. Other colors will not have golden rims.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:42:34 pm
Yep, the same bike as far as I know. The best one looking IMO is the one on the picture above. Other colors will not have golden rims.

 :thumleft: Also the colours I would like in the basic model, but I heard only the up-spec ones comes with the pretty colour schemes and the basic will only be one one or two mono colour variants.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 19, 2015, 02:42:47 pm
And people who sat on it in EICMA commented that the seat is surprisingly low, but it feels top heavy (the guy rides 1150GSA, so I guess compared to that any bike with non-boxer engine would feel that way).
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 19, 2015, 02:44:40 pm
Yep, the same bike as far as I know. The best one looking IMO is the one on the picture above. Other colors will not have golden rims.

 :thumleft: Also the colours I would like in the basic model, but I heard only the up-spec ones comes with the pretty colour schemes and the basic will only be one one or two mono colour variants.

Funnily enough, that is not what was originally indicated. It was actually the tri-color one that was the basic one, but you never know what will marketing in Honda still decide. They seem to be pretty weird though - on advrider people said that they will bring only the Red/white and grey (ghastly one) to USA. Why would they do it is beyond me.
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Post by: Gérrard on November 19, 2015, 02:46:51 pm
Yep, the same bike as far as I know. The best one looking IMO is the one on the picture above. Other colors will not have golden rims.

 :thumleft: Also the colours I would like in the basic model, but I heard only the up-spec ones comes with the pretty colour schemes and the basic will only be one one or two mono colour variants.

Funnily enough, that is not what was originally indicated. It was actually the tri-color one that was the basic one, but you never know what will marketing in Honda still decide. They seem to be pretty weird though - on advrider people said that they will bring only the Red/white and grey (ghastly one) to USA. Why would they do it is beyond me.

Something like that... limited colour schemes for SA as well.
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Post by: Tom van Brits on November 19, 2015, 07:41:22 pm
There is a sollution. I cant recall the name but know where they are in Boksburg-wrap it the way you like. They even wrap Ferraris

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Post by: shanti on November 20, 2015, 07:31:50 pm
Looks like this version of the A T has a much larger fuel tank , that should get you some serious mileage and some serious wallet reduction . Seems like all things people were complaining about are being dealt with by aftermarket parts or removal of parts - that's some serious business savvy - looks like this bike is being primed as a serious add on industry - and it hasnt even been released yet  :imaposer:
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Post by: whitedelight on November 20, 2015, 10:50:31 pm
And people who sat on it in EICMA commented that the seat is surprisingly low, but it feels top heavy (the guy rides 1150GSA, so I guess compared to that any bike with non-boxer engine would feel that way).

Weird I found the GSA way more top heavy than the Super 10.
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Post by: XRRX on November 21, 2015, 11:22:48 am
And people who sat on it in EICMA commented that the seat is surprisingly low, but it feels top heavy (the guy rides 1150GSA, so I guess compared to that any bike with non-boxer engine would feel that way).

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Bwana on November 23, 2015, 01:21:00 pm
Hi Guys
Honda SA has officially announced the Launch of AT will take place in Cape Town between the 27 November and 13 December. We also received these 2 links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyi6xfxKHNQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyi6xfxKHNQ) . https://youtu.be/s9MIQq5ixQ0. (https://youtu.be/s9MIQq5ixQ0) They are also looking for old model AT s for the launch.  
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Post by: Malibu on November 23, 2015, 04:18:26 pm
Being un-packed at the moment for the launch...
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Post by: edgy on November 23, 2015, 04:24:34 pm
Which colour? :drif:
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Post by: Casting from Turd on November 23, 2015, 05:13:47 pm
Now that is a thing of pure beauty  :drif:
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Post by: Tom van Brits on November 23, 2015, 05:54:14 pm
Good looking bike sure thing

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Post by: Vis Arend on November 23, 2015, 07:30:46 pm
Now that is a thing of pure beauty  :drif:

for sure   :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Post by: XRRX on November 23, 2015, 10:23:05 pm
Being un-packed at the moment for the launch...

 :thumleft:  :drif:

Interesting - they seem to be crated fully assembled ...
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Post by: Cracker on November 23, 2015, 10:39:55 pm
Are we gonna see the re-introduction of an open class in Rallye?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 23, 2015, 11:28:07 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

The above model is blinged out with different seat, pipe, side panels and bashplate - so will cost above standard, but looking IMO as it should.

As far as I remember there are three models:
- Standard/basic: no ABS, no Traction Control, no automatic transmission (that is the one I would get if I would be into this bike - and that one is roughly those 230 kg wet).
- medium (or whatever is it called: ABS and traction control (somewhat heavier)
- top: ABS, traction control and auto transmission (wet weight about 245kg if I remember correctly)


The basic does have ABS as far as I know. EU specs dictate all bikes greater than 600cc have ABS.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 23, 2015, 11:29:24 pm
Any idea where they having the launch,could be nice to see it in the flesh.
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Post by: evansv on November 24, 2015, 04:52:23 am
White, red & blue one for me please!

Good looking bike, especially with the stock silencer changed!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2015, 08:09:27 am
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

The above model is blinged out with different seat, pipe, side panels and bashplate - so will cost above standard, but looking IMO as it should.

As far as I remember there are three models:
- Standard/basic: no ABS, no Traction Control, no automatic transmission (that is the one I would get if I would be into this bike - and that one is roughly those 230 kg wet).
- medium (or whatever is it called: ABS and traction control (somewhat heavier)
- top: ABS, traction control and auto transmission (wet weight about 245kg if I remember correctly)


The basic does have ABS as far as I know. EU specs dictate all bikes greater than 600cc have ABS.

Nope, basic is without ABS - at least that is how it was on the originally leaked specs from Portugal (dry weight std 208 kg, ABS 212 kg, DCT 222 kg):

(http://i0.wp.com/www.hondaprokevin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/leaked-2016-honda-africa-twin-crf1000l-specs.jpg)
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 24, 2015, 09:29:52 am
Any idea where they having the launch,could be nice to see it in the flesh.

http://www.aquilasafari.com/ (http://www.aquilasafari.com/)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on November 24, 2015, 01:23:41 pm
I've been ignoring this thread with purpose, but I just cannot resist any longer. Please give me the short version.

I understand there are two models. What are they ?

The pic above, which model is that, because its the one I want.

The above model is blinged out with different seat, pipe, side panels and bashplate - so will cost above standard, but looking IMO as it should.

As far as I remember there are three models:
- Standard/basic: no ABS, no Traction Control, no automatic transmission (that is the one I would get if I would be into this bike - and that one is roughly those 230 kg wet).
- medium (or whatever is it called: ABS and traction control (somewhat heavier)
- top: ABS, traction control and auto transmission (wet weight about 245kg if I remember correctly)


The basic does have ABS as far as I know. EU specs dictate all bikes greater than 600cc have ABS.

Nope, basic is without ABS - at least that is how it was on the originally leaked specs from Portugal (dry weight std 208 kg, ABS 212 kg, DCT 222 kg):

(http://i0.wp.com/www.hondaprokevin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/leaked-2016-honda-africa-twin-crf1000l-specs.jpg)

Spot on.
I was at Honda on Saturday and asked a salesman. According to him  R150 000 - R155 000 for that one. 15-22 January
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Post by: Tom van Brits on November 24, 2015, 06:02:20 pm
Nouja, ek kannie wag om self die outjie te sien nie. Uiteindelik Honda!! Ek hoor die enigste SA joernalis opbdie internasionale launch is Trailrider. Vir die wat hom ken en onthou. Sien uit om te hoor wat hy te se het!

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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 24, 2015, 06:45:31 pm
Ek hoor die enigste SA joernalis opbdie internasionale launch is Trailrider. Vir die wat hom ken en onthou.

Nee, daar gaan 'n paar Suid-Afrikaners wees
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 24, 2015, 08:12:30 pm
Ek hoor die enigste SA joernalis opbdie internasionale launch is Trailrider. Vir die wat hom ken en onthou.

Nee, daar gaan 'n paar Suid-Afrikaners wees

Ok dan is FB posts seker tong in die kies of grappies......dis goeie nuus want dan kan ons vinniger terugvoer kry  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2015, 08:31:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/LREzZyukVgY
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 24, 2015, 09:08:16 pm
Exciting DS times ahead!!  O0
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Blender on November 25, 2015, 10:08:41 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/LREzZyukVgY

SHIT! Now I want one!  :thumleft:
Looks like the ride is just what the doctor ordered ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 25, 2015, 10:22:06 am
Let's hope at the launch here the guys get to ride so,e gravel as well. It must be weird with the auto.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 25, 2015, 10:36:58 am
One day tar and one day gravel
But on these launches they will sometimes allow you to ride when and wherever you want
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: boland on November 25, 2015, 12:30:21 pm
Since the launch is this weekend, when will they be in the showrooms?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Catchy on November 25, 2015, 01:10:42 pm
Since the launch is this weekend, when will they be in the showrooms?

I was told February :(
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 25, 2015, 01:14:13 pm
I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, with a slight fever. Now you know when you want to sleep you have this fever dreams that go round and around... I dreamt about this bike all night last night. The one in HRC colours  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 25, 2015, 01:42:09 pm
I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, with a slight fever. Now you know when you want to sleep you have this fever dreams that go round and around... I dreamt about this bike all night last night. The one in HRC colours  :drif:

Well - there's only one cure for the "fever" and the "staying awake dreams", and that's to see this when you open your cold dark garage's door:   :pot: :ricky:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on November 25, 2015, 01:43:22 pm
Die mooiste ou fototjie van haar sexy boudjies. Ai!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 25, 2015, 01:44:11 pm
I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, with a slight fever. Now you know when you want to sleep you have this fever dreams that go round and around... I dreamt about this bike all night last night. The one in HRC colours  :drif:

Well - there's only one cure for the "fever" and the "staying awake dreams", and that's to see this when you open your cold dark garage's door:   :pot: :ricky:

WAT ! Daai bike klim saam my in die bed  :drif:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 25, 2015, 01:45:12 pm
  :spitcoffee: :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 25, 2015, 05:00:10 pm
One day tar and one day gravel
But on these launches they will sometimes allow you to ride when and wherever you want

LS are you there for the launch??
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 25, 2015, 05:52:52 pm
LS are you there for the launch??

I will be
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Post by: whitedelight on November 25, 2015, 06:18:34 pm
LS are you there for the launch??

I will be

Awesome look forward to your feedback.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 25, 2015, 06:27:23 pm
Something eerie about this new AT......in the video all the riders are putting it through it's paces.......SITTING DOWN!?!? :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Tokelosh!
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Post by: shanti on November 25, 2015, 08:40:48 pm
So what tires for this bike for a Namibia trip ? That would be the first place I would head too and the OEM tires look like they are very tar road bias
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Post by: whitedelight on November 25, 2015, 08:55:39 pm
So what tires for this bike for a Namibia trip ? That would be the first place I would head too and the OEM tires look like they are very tar road bias

E09 back and T63/E10 front maybe
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Post by: shanti on November 25, 2015, 09:26:55 pm
Is that what you use on your 990 ?
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Post by: whitedelight on November 25, 2015, 10:05:19 pm
Is that what you use on your 990 ?

E09 back and TKC80 front. No more TKC for now,but have a T63 in the garage I will try next up front. Heard some good reports from E10 front.
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Post by: shanti on November 25, 2015, 10:14:40 pm
they pretty much on a par the bikes (looks up for lightening ) - ok safe , whats your mileage ?
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Post by: whitedelight on November 26, 2015, 07:12:13 am
they pretty much on a par the bikes (looks up for lightening ) - ok safe , whats your mileage ?

About 36000km.
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Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 26, 2015, 02:40:09 pm
some pictures, and some thoughts...

thoughts: i sat on the bike, but could not judge it's weight by feel, since all the front wheels were firmly clamped to the floor for the thousands of spectators who clambered all over the thing...

The bike feels in-between an 800GS and a 1200GS, not as small as an 800, not as big as a 1200...

Now I know that SOUNDS obvious, since it is a 1000cc!, but BIKE-size wise, it felt in-between the size of the 2 BMW's...

Some clever touches: built-in scuff pads for boots on the frame lowers, and those gold rims look way cool.
I also liked that they had all the color variants of the bike on display; I feel the Silver color makes it look too much like other 'non-descript' bikes, conversely I thought the red/white/blue was amazing, and also a glance backwards at their heritage...

Something tells me the bike is going to be a big success, the sheer effort Honda is putting behind the world-wide launch, is quite something to see.
for example, for this weekend's South African launch, they are shipping in a large number of bikes to the Western Cape, they are bringing in TWICE what they need to, and each journalist will ride TWO bikes; one with road-biased tires, one with off-road biased tires!

Pity that in some markets they make 'dictate' that the base model is only available in one color, to get the sexy colors you may have to stump up for more options, but that is their prerogative - all  in all a very impressive machine 'in the flesh'.

NOTE: apologies for some blurry pics!
Also, the first few pics are of the AT on the TOURATECH stand, who already have a whole range of accessories for this bike (no surprise there!)

Cheers
Chris & Team





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Post by: edgy on November 26, 2015, 03:04:03 pm
 :thumleft:
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:13:08 pm
Don't know if there were forums in the early nineties, but it would be interesting to know what the discussions were about the then released AT, and what we know today  :biggrin:
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 03:17:39 pm
Don't know if there were forums in the early nineties, but it would be interesting to know what the discussions were about the then released AT, and what we know today  :biggrin:
Yes that would be interesting as the pre runner to the AT as we know it was that V 750 aircooled shaft bike they only built 500 of and sadly I think the worst bike mechanically Honda has ever built. (i nearly bought one)

BTW which was first then the AT or the Yamaha 750 Super Tenere? If the Tenere was built first we'd know what the discussions would have been about.
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 26, 2015, 03:20:37 pm
Don't know if there were forums in the early nineties, but it would be interesting to know what the discussions were about the then released AT, and what we know today  :biggrin:

There were IRC channels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat), but I don't know if many bikers had figured out how to use the internet yet.
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Post by: skydiver on November 26, 2015, 03:23:27 pm
I like the "two tone" colours on the engine  :thumleft:
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:27:34 pm
Don't know if there were forums in the early nineties, but it would be interesting to know what the discussions were about the then released AT, and what we know today  :biggrin:
Yes that would be interesting as the pre runner to the AT as we know it was that V 750 aircooled shaft bike they only built 500 of and sadly I think the worst bike mechanically Honda has ever built. (i nearly bought one)

BTW which was first then the AT or the Yamaha 750 Super Tenere? If the Tenere was built first we'd know what the discussions would have been about.

I think you get '89 model XTZ's and the 750 AT only came out in 1190 ? So just about simultaneous release.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 03:29:57 pm
 1190

1990?
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:32:53 pm
1190

1990?

eleventy ten and ninety and nine  :lol8:

1990. If Wikipedia can be trusted their release were a year apart about, almost  :biggrin:
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Post by: Rafiki on November 26, 2015, 03:33:49 pm
Wil nou nie hoes, poep of paniek saai nie.

Maar, dis sekerlik een van die mooiste fietse nog ooit gebou!

 :thumleft: Honda
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:35:30 pm
Interesting also is that the XTZ street version was built first and then only the Dakar version which won twice. With the AT it was the other way around and it won four times.

No arguing which had the race creds and pedigree  :ricky:
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:36:31 pm
Wil nou nie hoes, poep of paniek saai nie.

Maar, dis sekerlik een van die mooiste fietse nog ooit gebou!

 :thumleft: Honda

En ek het myself belowe ek gaan van die thread af wegbly  :drif: Daai wit rooi en blou Touratech is die een.
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Post by: Rafiki on November 26, 2015, 03:40:56 pm
Stem saam, die Touratech een. Skeer my klere, saag my op.
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 03:44:31 pm

Pity that in some markets they make 'dictate' that the base model is only available in one color, to get the sexy colors you may have to stump up for more options, but that is their prerogative - all  in all a very impressive machine 'in the flesh'.


Maybe they intend following the trend of the old AT and change the colours by year model.
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Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 26, 2015, 04:17:27 pm
another pic, in everyone's favorite color...
(finally, I took a pic without the dreaded cellphone 'shake'...!)
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Post by: Gérrard on November 26, 2015, 04:19:34 pm
OK, so I'm biased, but to me that is the most beautiful DS bike to be on the market soon.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 04:22:53 pm
Like thsi bike a lot, but not the right side of the engine.
Too cluttered there as if the engineers could not find enough space to fit stuff and then bolted all on the one side.

Is it only me?
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 26, 2015, 04:41:58 pm
another pic, in everyone's favorite color...
(finally, I took a pic without the dreaded cellphone 'shake'...!)

Well that's one way to make it appear as if the bike has decent ground clearance.
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Post by: whitedelight on November 26, 2015, 05:15:52 pm
Like thsi bike a lot, but not the right side of the engine.
Too cluttered there as if the engineers could not find enough space to fit stuff and then bolted all on the one side.

Is it only me?


Chris is that not just the DCT one that looks busy on the right?? That bulky look has been bugging me since I first saw it. Just wondering if the auto and the manual look the same,surely not. Would they not need more room for the dual clutch setup??
Maybe LuckyStriker can check it out for us tomorrow.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 05:25:56 pm
Chris is that not just the DCT one that looks busy on the right?? That bulky look has been bugging me since I first saw it.

Me too.
Looks like waterpump and some other stuff I do not recognize at all. On the left it just looks like standard clutch cover.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 05:34:41 pm
http://motorbikewriter.com/honda-reveals-crf1000l-africa-twin/ (http://motorbikewriter.com/honda-reveals-crf1000l-africa-twin/)

The white one with gold rims is not so cluttered on the right side of the engine only waterpump, but the red one is. Assume that is the auto model?
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 05:50:07 pm
See right side not so cluttered. Only waterpump, so what is the difference?

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Post by: XRRX on November 26, 2015, 06:49:17 pm
another pic, in everyone's favorite color...
(finally, I took a pic without the dreaded cellphone 'shake'...!)

 :thumleft: :drif: Thanks!

All the DCT-bikes (VFR1200; NC750; AT; etc) has some extra goodies on the right-hand side ...
The manuals is notably more slim ...  :deal: :thumleft:
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 26, 2015, 06:51:38 pm
Thanks XRRX :thumleft:
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Post by: BLK on November 26, 2015, 06:58:04 pm
Nice looking bike for sure.Thks for all the pics.

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Post by: whitedelight on November 26, 2015, 08:49:35 pm
Thanks XRRX :thumleft:

Thanks,thought that was the case. Won't really make a difference while riding,just looked odd.
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Post by: shanti on November 26, 2015, 08:50:12 pm
I see the Africa Twin logo on the colourful bikes is in the paintwork itself and it seems that with the black version the logo is just stuck on , I  like the black version but it just seems a bit tacky to do that on such an expensive bike - LuckyStriker if you are off to see the bikes in person could you confirm this please ?
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Post by: boland on November 26, 2015, 09:54:06 pm
another pic, in everyone's favorite color...
(finally, I took a pic without the dreaded cellphone 'shake'...!)

I'll take the one in the background :ricky:
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 26, 2015, 10:27:25 pm
I'm saving.. that's all I can say. Nobody is getting xmas gifts this year
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 26, 2015, 11:27:59 pm
I see the Africa Twin logo on the colourful bikes is in the paintwork itself and it seems that with the black version the logo is just stuck on , I  like the black version but it just seems a bit tacky to do that on such an expensive bike - LuckyStriker if you are off to see the bikes in person could you confirm this please ?

I will make a point of it
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Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 27, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Damn .... now I am all confused ...

The nice Red one or the cool White one, ... Eish!
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Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 07:46:43 am
Damn .... now I am all confused ...

The nice Red one or the cool White one, ... Eish!

No question about it... and to be sure I made it my screen saver  :ricky:
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Post by: Bwana on November 27, 2015, 08:54:07 am
http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/11/24/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-adventure-motorcycle-historical-video/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/11/24/2016-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-adventure-motorcycle-historical-video/)

Nice Video Answers some questions.
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Post by: roxenz on November 27, 2015, 09:00:52 am
Indeed a beautiful bike, and so-so jealous of LS for getting an early leg over!  But:  #ThatPipeMustFall!  (is it a pipe or a box?)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 27, 2015, 09:21:10 am
I see the Africa Twin logo on the colourful bikes is in the paintwork itself and it seems that with the black version the logo is just stuck on , I  like the black version but it just seems a bit tacky to do that on such an expensive bike - LuckyStriker if you are off to see the bikes in person could you confirm this please ?

I will make a point of it

Thank you , its most appreciated - your impressions on the finish of the standard bikes compared to the ABS and up bikes would be great , somehow it seems that all the attention has been given to the more expensive models and the plain ones seem like an afterthought .
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Post by: bud500 on November 27, 2015, 09:32:23 am
I see some has stepped seats, not just the Touratech one and some straight flat seats like a 990?
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Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 09:33:47 am
I see some has stepped seats, not just the Touratech one and some straight flat seats like a 990?

As I have it the stepped seats are stock, the flat one the Touratech
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Post by: bud500 on November 27, 2015, 09:36:02 am
I see some has stepped seats, not just the Touratech one and some straight flat seats like a 990?

As I have it the stepped seats are stock, the flat one the Touratech

But check this one Chris posted?
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162551.0;attach=449521;image)
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Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 09:37:14 am
That I think is the Touratech one. Very confusing the different models.
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Post by: bud500 on November 27, 2015, 09:39:06 am
That I think is the Touratech one. Very confusing the different models.

Here is the Touratech one. Don't know if this was the only one..

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162551.0;attach=449498;image)
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Post by: Xpat on November 27, 2015, 09:44:56 am
For what it is worth, here are initial impressions of a guy from Slovakia who rode it for 50 km back to back with KTM 1050 and V_Strom:

"The first impression is that Africa is much smaller than it looks on the pictures, it looks more like offroad bike, than 'travelling enduro' (my note: German bullshit term for big fat adventure bike). Compared to 1200GSA it looks like mountain goat compared to Hippo.

While ridding, the first impression was that I'm sitting on top of the bike, rather than inside as in GS or VStrom. The engine pulls linearly from 2k to 8k rpm, not happy under 2k. Gearbox very smooth, brakes very good control and manageable with one finger. Standard windshield completely useless for my height, the taller one will be better (+10cm). The big positive was stability, including high speed over 200 kmh, even with side wind. I cannot say the same about KTM 1050 and Vstrom. Another big plus is very small turning radius (2,5 meters). And there are no vibrations whatsoever - none in footpegs and none in the bars.

As it was cold (5C) we couldn't get too aggressive, but the dynamics was good, ABS properly set-up and the whole bike behaved predictably.

The sound is really great, wonder how it passed EU regulations - no need to change the exhaust for that at all.

Here are few comparisons to KTM and Suzuki. KTM seems to pull stronger upwards of 5000 rpm (in the sport regime), Africa is very linear from 2 to 8k. In terms of stability, Honda shines, KTM and VStrom felt more sketchy. Vibrations, really noticeable on KTM between 5k and 6k , V Strom there are small vibrations across the rev range, no vibrations on Africa. Quality of plastics and details, Honda wins hands down. Generally Honda was the most stable and the most flexible engine. It isn't the type of bike that turns on its own, rather the bike that keeps directional stability, but with an input from rider it can be turned easily."

I'm sure the reality is going to be little bit more colourful, but for what it's worth, there are initial impressions of this particular guy (I don't know him). Let's see how much more information we will get from journo's at the launch, I suspect more or less the same  >:D :peepwall:
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Post by: Xpat on November 27, 2015, 09:46:54 am
I see some has stepped seats, not just the Touratech one and some straight flat seats like a 990?

As I have it the stepped seats are stock, the flat one the Touratech

Flat one is not Touratech, but HRC version. Touratech version you cannot see really, because there is huge scaffolding hiding the bike - and the seat is still stepped.
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Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 09:57:00 am
So Xpat, have you now found your adventure bike ?
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Post by: Xpat on November 27, 2015, 10:05:21 am
Yep, I bought the 690 with Rally kit. And with the AJP and SWM coming out with new models in 600 cc range, I should be hopefully sorted for next few years (maybe even Yamaha may get their act together as little bit of Jap reliability infusion may be desirable). I just don't need and want the bulk of big bike and for the trip I'm planning now, I will be grateful for every kg I will not carry. And singles have just so much more character than twins for me.

I'm not into this AT (the HRC looks great though, standard Honda and Touratech versions leave me cold, funny how few little details can change my perception), I just finished project at work and do not feel like working so use this thread as distraction.
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Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 10:10:32 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 27, 2015, 12:29:44 pm
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 27, 2015, 01:30:56 pm
Okay, the launch starts in two hours.
I'm off.
I'll post pics and comments whenever I can - signal, wifi and sobriety permitting (those moto journos are often party animals).

I'll make my way to the venue on a KTM 950, which I suspect is the closest thing to a spiritual equal to the AT. Should be an interesting comparison.
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Post by: Snafu on November 27, 2015, 01:58:28 pm
Okay, the launch starts in two hours.
I'm off.
I'll post pics and comments whenever I can - signal, wifi and sobriety permitting (those moto journos are often party animals).

I'll make my way to the venue on a KTM 950, which I suspect is the closest thing to a spiritual equal to the AT. Should be an interesting comparison.

Bitch!!! enjoy!
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Post by: Kaboef on November 27, 2015, 02:24:03 pm
Geniet dit en kom vertel vir ons alles!!
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Post by: bud500 on November 27, 2015, 03:01:01 pm

I'll make my way to the venue on a KTM 950, which I suspect is the closest thing to a spiritual equal to the AT. Should be an interesting comparison.

We just discussed this point at lunch... So the new AT's closest "spiritual" equal is more than 10 years old... :o
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Post by: Koet on November 27, 2015, 03:08:49 pm
LS, if you can get some pictures of how the aftermarket headlight guard is mounted, I'd appreciate it....
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Post by: Tiger8 on November 27, 2015, 03:29:49 pm
Dwerg hier is n Africa Twin wat spesifiek vir jou ontwerp is..................................... :peepwall: :pot:
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Post by: Tiger8 on November 27, 2015, 03:30:47 pm
Met Long Range Tenk

 :lol8:
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Post by: XRRX on November 27, 2015, 03:55:13 pm
 :imaposer:

Thanks LS - feedback will be much appreciated by us normal mortals ....   :xxbah: :biggrin:

BTW - I'll take any colour !!  :drif:  But - 1st choice - RED !!
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 27, 2015, 04:26:14 pm
Little smaller than I expected
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Post by: Catchy on November 27, 2015, 04:30:50 pm
Little smaller than I expected



And what else ........................................ :happy1:
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Post by: Fudge on November 27, 2015, 04:33:59 pm
 :happy1:
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Post by: Catchy on November 27, 2015, 04:34:13 pm
Little smaller than I expected



And what else ........................................ :happy1:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 27, 2015, 04:50:18 pm
Here are some unofficial numbers from one of the Honda people:

R168 000 for the fully specced model.
The red and the HRC will be the main imports. The grey will be imported in limited numbers and on request.
There will be more manuals that DCTs imported
Arrival in mid-March

Unconfirmed info at this time
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Post by: XRRX on November 27, 2015, 10:29:28 pm
While waiting for LS and the other boys partying at the launch instead of working ...  :peepwall: ... I found what is described as the 1st written review by a guy called "Rust" or something ! You can find it on the new Africa Twin forum ...  :deal:
He had been given the Touratech show bike for 1 day - cause he cannot attend the current launch ...

This is a short summary:
 
This new Africa Twin is sporting ... Seriously sporting.
 Bottom line - yeah it's a missile.

 The parallel twin motor is something of a gem.
 Honda have fooled the bike, and us, into thinking we're riding a 90 degres vee-twin, like a Ducati motor or perhaps more intentionally recalling the power charateristics of the 52 degrees vee-twin motor in the old Africa Twin.

 The important thing here is the engine has character.

 The CRF designation is correct. In spirit yes, but also given the technological links to Honda's off-road competition range, it is part of the 1000L's DNA.

 21-18. Those two numbers tell you Honda are serious. The y've proven to be the optimal sizes for off-road competition motorcycling.

 The ergos feel spot on; totally natural, whether standing or seated.

 The finishes are as you'd expect from Honda.

 It is the bike we've been hoping for - probably more. The guys that created this bike knew exactly what they were doing.

 **** Honda ... I know which I'd buy.

 Un autre avis, celui du patron de Touratech USA. Les 6 raisons:
 1. This bike can do it in the dirt
 2. Traction control modes can be changed on-the-fly
 3. Honda reliability is legendary
 4. She's a looker
 5. It's little in the middle
 6. This motor screams! If you rode it blindfolded you might think it was a KTM.
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Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 27, 2015, 10:56:31 pm
Cool Bananas XR!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 27, 2015, 11:00:02 pm
LS sę net een ding , hoe klink hy?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 27, 2015, 11:22:29 pm
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 27, 2015, 11:25:13 pm
Ag los sommer die rokery man. As ek dit kon los kan enigiemand. Vir tien jaar mis ek nie een oomblik n rookding nie.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 28, 2015, 06:13:34 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !

Nice your missus is going to buy you a bike............
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Post by: Fudge on November 28, 2015, 06:49:22 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !
So, what colour is it going to be?  :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on November 28, 2015, 07:16:58 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !
So, what colour is it going to be?  :lol8:

 :lol8: The HRC one is my favourite.  :thumleft: But I'll have to wait and see if I'm a beggar or a chooser.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 28, 2015, 08:22:33 am
Had an interesting conversation with the chief engineer and designer last night.

Going for a ride now. Must hurry
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on November 28, 2015, 08:56:56 am
http://rustsports.s3.amazonaws.com/AfricaTwinSpecial.pdf (http://rustsports.s3.amazonaws.com/AfricaTwinSpecial.pdf)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 28, 2015, 10:29:49 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !

She has a very valid point !! - something I should seriously consider myself too!!  :patch:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 28, 2015, 11:40:08 am
The HRC is a beauty, but it will be a novelty bike if I were to buy one. I have the bikes that fill my purposes as well and see no need to change.

But this new AT does get my juices flowing.
G will you clean the garage for this bike? Meaning you'll this have ONE UNO bike to do all your riding with sell all others?
Too soon to tell?

Nee ek sal nie...ek mag nie die 1150 verkkop nie, en wil nie die ou AT verkoop nie, maar toe gooi vroutjie die gauntlet neer... as ek ophou rook vir 'n jaar kan ek 'n nuwe AT kry. Sy sal wag met haar kar.

Eish !

My wife stopped 11 months ago after 30 years, not a seconds withdrawal symptoms. PM if you would like more info.

The Cool White one looks better and better.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 28, 2015, 01:50:21 pm
Some 2-3 hour old feedback received via WhatsApp from somebody (an old hand at bikes) attending the launch, and I quote:

" Ons is nou Gydo Pas af teen 'n onheilige spoed! Het 210km/h gesien op van die straights tussen die draaie! Awesome awesome awesome! My heart rate is seker nou 180bpm!  :biggrin: :biggrin: Marshall on Crossrunner. F%$k I just wanted to pass!!!!
Posting tonight"
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 28, 2015, 02:06:51 pm
Would love to know where they saw 210km/h coming down Gydo Pass.cthere is realistically one spot you might get it right,but not so sure you would on a bike DS bike.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 28, 2015, 03:21:37 pm
Fastest we saw was 227km/h on the clock, level road, maxed out
I forgot to pack my gps to test true speed. I'll remember it tomorrow
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 28, 2015, 10:33:10 pm
Would love to know where they saw 210km/h coming down Gydo Pass.cthere is realistically one spot you might get it right,but not so sure you would on a bike DS bike.
Can't comment or argue the point - as I have absolutely no experience of Gydo Pass and obviously neither of the bike ...  :-\

I just quote the little info I receive exactly as I get it ...  :deal:
The fact that the launch guys are so quiet currently, can probably be explained by this message I got earlier:

"Heel dag gery. Awesome bike! Ek soek een! Game drive nou met 'n boma braai in die Leeu kamp. Life is tough in Africa!"

Lucky bastards !!!  :patch: :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 28, 2015, 11:13:47 pm
After all the hype really keen to hear what it is like in the real world. Top end is immaterial to me when it comes to DS bikes.
Really hope it is good off the black stuff.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: boland on November 29, 2015, 08:29:54 am
After all the hype really keen to hear what it is like in the real world. Top end is immaterial to me when it comes to DS bikes.
Really hope it is good off the black stuff.

I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 29, 2015, 03:00:22 pm
Well these guys attending the launch really have us eating from their hands in suspense!!!  :peepwall:

Now, my "informant" has sent me the basic info I wanted - but now I am not allowed to re-post it ...  :patch:
His thorough in-depth report will be available on his personal website in a day-or-two with - as I know him - great pictures! (I will then post the link here...)

Well I guess I may give my personal summary of what he has given me:

1.   It is great on tar; fast; predictable and safe - but no 1200 eater in a straight line on tar - if that is what you want!
2.   It is absolutely amazingly brilliant off-road, incl. sand, loose rocky climbs & descends, river-crossing, "tweespoor roads" and even quarry riding!!!

Apparently Honda tried to give them almost every conceivable riding condition available - and everybody made it through with not even one fall or incident !!!

And then quite amazingly: The DCT seems to be the weapon of choice off-road!!!  :eek7: ???
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 29, 2015, 03:18:16 pm
Well these guys attending the launch really have us eating from their hands in suspense!!!  :peepwall:

Now, my "informant" has sent me the basic info I wanted - but now I am not allowed to re-post it ...  :patch:
His thorough in-depth report will be available on his personal website in a day-or-two with - as I know him - great pictures! (I will then post the link here...)

Well I guess I may give my personal summary of what he has given me:

1.   It is great on tar; fast; predictable and safe - but no 1200 eater in a straight line on tar - if that is what you want!
2.   It is absolutely amazingly brilliant off-road, incl. sand, loose rocky climbs & descends, river-crossing, "tweespoor roads" and even quarry riding!!!

Apparently Honda tried to give them almost every conceivable riding condition available - and everybody made it through with not even one fall or incident !!!

And then quite amazingly: The DCT seems to be the weapon of choice off-road!!!  :eek7: ???

Thanks for the titbits. Also read from the reports overseas that the auto was good off-road. Great to hear it is a performer off-road,if it sits comfortably at 140 on the black stuff I am a happy chappy,very seldom that I go faster on tar,unless it is necessary or late to get home to mommy.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 29, 2015, 08:16:34 pm
I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???

In my books it is already established that it is more 990 than 1200. The specs actually fit the 990 bracket in the market like a glove.

As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990? 
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 29, 2015, 08:31:13 pm
I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???

In my books it is already established that it is more 990 than 1200. The specs actually fit the 990 bracket in the market like a glove.

As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990? 
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.

I think with the feedback already available, the only question should be: "How much better is it than the 990!!" ...  :peepwall:
Really no need to worry about any 800's anymore ...  8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Casting from Turd on November 29, 2015, 08:58:16 pm
I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???

In my books it is already established that it is more 990 than 1200. The specs actually fit the 990 bracket in the market like a glove.

As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990? 
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.

I think with the feedback already available, the only question should be: "How much better is it than the 990!!" ...  :peepwall:
Really no need to worry about any 800's anymore ...  8)

Mmmmm. Its a Honda boet... Reliable to the end  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:10:11 pm
I wrote my impressions of the past weekend on my blog, with some pics. The attached pic is of yors trooly

http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/ (http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/)

It's probably an incoherent mess because i wrote it in the space of two hours and I haven't even checked the grammar and spelling yet.
I'll probably rewrite many parts of it tomorrow.
The final version you'll see in Weg (http://weg.netwerk24.com/) magazine will be better written, with stats, less spelling errors and a new angle. All because I'll put a bit more effort into it  ;D
Unfortunately the article will only appear in the march issue (on shelf mid-february), but fortunately before the first bikes hit the showroom.

You may copy the text here if you like and ask me questions (again, if you like)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:14:59 pm
Thank you , its most appreciated - your impressions on the finish of the standard bikes compared to the ABS and up bikes would be great , somehow it seems that all the attention has been given to the more expensive models and the plain ones seem like an afterthought .

The roundel with the Honda wing is a plastic disc with a clear resin finish very similar to the roundel on a BMW.
I'm not sure how it is affixed, probably a small bolt and silicon glue

All the versions have this badge. All the bikes have the same trim level and finish. The higher models simply have more tech (like ABS and auto dual clutch transmission)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:16:38 pm
I see some has stepped seats, not just the Touratech one and some straight flat seats like a 990?

The flat seat was only made for the prototype at the Milan show
It will not be mass produced unless customers put pressure on Honda. But companies like Touratech will probably step in
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:18:15 pm
LS, if you can get some pictures of how the aftermarket headlight guard is mounted, I'd appreciate it....

Sorry, I didn't see it at the launch
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:20:00 pm
BTW - I'll take any colour !!  :drif:  But - 1st choice - RED !!

I was sold on the HRC colour scheme but after seeing them side by side I must admit that the red looks spectacular in the proverbial flesh - but I think the front mudguard need to be white like the original XRV750 had
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:21:59 pm
Little smaller than I expected

Its size is deceptive. It's both small and large at the same time.
Looks small from a distance, feels small when you sit on it, but when parked next to a katoom it's clearly not small
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:23:55 pm
LS sę net een ding , hoe klink hy?

Baie mooi
maar ek dink hy sal nog mooier klimk met 'n Termignoni-pypie, of selfs 'n Akra
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 29, 2015, 09:25:20 pm
http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/ (http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/)

Quote
The venue for the launch was to be held a little over 100 km from my home and so I declined a lift in the media shuttle. Instead I asked a friend if I could borrow his KTM 950S. I could have gone on my own bike but I reasoned that the KTM 990 was probably the closest to the Africa Twin I was about to test.

Awesome
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:26:37 pm
Un autre avis, celui du patron de Touratech USA. Les 6 raisons:
 1. This bike can do it in the dirt
Yes it definitely can!

2. Traction control modes can be changed on-the-fly
Yes, but ABS can not

3. Honda reliability is legendary
Yes, apparently

4. She's a looker
Yes

5. It's little in the middle
?

6. This motor screams! If you rode it blindfolded you might think it was a KTM.
I wouldn't go that far. It sounds a lot different to me
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BjornB on November 29, 2015, 09:30:28 pm
Well done! great article :thumleft: O0
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:33:17 pm
After all the hype really keen to hear what it is like in the real world. Top end is immaterial to me when it comes to DS bikes.
Really hope it is good off the black stuff.

Top speed isn't astonishing. Expect a comfortable cruising speed of 150km/h and a maximum of around 225 at the coats and 210 on the highveld

I thought it was terrific on tarred roads.
Very stable and handles really well in the corners.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:42:49 pm
1.   It is great on tar; fast; predictable and safe - but no 1200 eater in a straight line on tar - if that is what you want!
Yes, very good on tar and very forgiving. A 1200GS will certain kill it, and a 1190. But it really does handle very well

2.   It is absolutely amazingly brilliant off-road, incl. sand, loose rocky climbs & descends, river-crossing, "tweespoor roads" and even quarry riding!!!
One should use the word amazing a bit more sparingly. It is very good on technical terrain but amazing is a bit strong

Apparently Honda tried to give them almost every conceivable riding condition available - and everybody made it through with not even one fall or incident !!!
There were a number of close calls, but yes, I don't know of any offs

And then quite amazingly: The DCT seems to be the weapon of choice off-road!!!  :eek7: ???
It was my favourite and a number of others, but not everyone agreed.
The journos from Enduro Worlds and Dirt and Trail mag may claim something different
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:47:17 pm
I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???

Yes, it can go hard and fast on dirt. It's more 990 than 1200, but it's no match for a 990's suspension and sheer thrill. I'd choose the AT over a GS any day of the week when it comes to dirt, but the 1200 is probably a better long distance tourer.
The Africa Twin is certainly playful and fun, but the power is very linear and predictable whereas a 950 sometimes wants to snap at you - which is actually hillariously awesome
Also, the AT turns on a dime whereas the 950 has the turning circle of an oil tanker
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:51:44 pm
As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990?  
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.

Sorry, I didn't touch on it enough on my blog
If I had a 990 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world right now, unless I wanted to change the type of riding I want to do.

The AT cannot kill a 990 on dirt - at least, I don't think so.
But the AT is a lot easier than a 990 to live with. the 950S I borrowed to go to the launch is a nasty piece of work, impressive, but nasty. Very primitive and crude but you feel like a king when you ride it
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: boland on November 29, 2015, 09:51:51 pm
I agree. I want to know if it can go hard en fast on dirt. Is it more 990 or more 1200 GS???

Yes, it can go hard and fast on dirt. It's more 990 than 1200, but it's no match for a 990's suspension and sheer thrill. I'd choose the AT over a GS any day of the week when it comes to dirt, but the 1200 may be a better long distance tourer.
The Africa Twin is certainly playful and fun, but the power is very linear and predictable whereas the 990 sometimes want to kill you - which is actually hillariously awesome

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate you taking the time :thumleft:

It is certainly exciting times
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 09:56:08 pm
here's that link again in case you missed it (shameless self-promotion)  ;D

I wrote my impressions of the past weekend on my blog, with some pics. The attached pic is of yors trooly

http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/ (http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/)

It's probably an incoherent mess because i wrote it in the space of two hours and I haven't even checked the grammar and spelling yet.
I'll probably rewrite many parts of it tomorrow.
The final version you'll see in Weg (http://weg.netwerk24.com/) magazine will be better written, with stats, less spelling errors and a new angle. All because I'll put a bit more effort into it  ;D
Unfortunately the article will only appear in the march issue (on shelf mid-february), but fortunately before the first bikes hit the showroom.

You may copy the text here if you like and ask me questions (again, if you like)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 29, 2015, 09:59:10 pm
As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990? 
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.

Sorry, I didn't touch on it enough on my blog
If I had a 990 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world right now, unless I wanted to change the type of riding I want to do.

The AT cannot kill a 990 on dirt - at least, I don't think so.
But the AT is a lot easier than a 990 to live with. the 950S I borrowed to go to the launch is a nasty piece of work, impressive, but nasty. Very primitive and crude but you feel like a kind when you ride it

Thanks for that feedback. Now I will enjoy my 990 even more.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 10:02:43 pm
As for hard and fast on dirt. Suppose suspension quality is going to be the question here. Will it be more 800gs or 990? 
Hope the report back from the launch touch on this subject.

Sorry, I didn't touch on it enough on my blog
If I had a 990 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world right now, unless I wanted to change the type of riding I want to do.

The AT cannot kill a 990 on dirt - at least, I don't think so.
But the AT is a lot easier than a 990 to live with. the 950S I borrowed to go to the launch is a nasty piece of work, impressive, but nasty. Very primitive and crude but you feel like a kind when you ride it

Thanks for that feedback. Now I will enjoy my 990 even more.

You should absolutely take the AT for a test ride when it comes to the shops. You may find that it's a perfect compromise between a 990 and a 1200 and go for it.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LDV on November 29, 2015, 10:22:15 pm
How does it compare to the 950 in terms of weight while stading stil and moving?



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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Catchy on November 29, 2015, 10:24:36 pm
LS, you have just made the next three months of my life hell ! Just sold my 800 Adv, now the waiting starts. Thanks for all the meaningful info.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 29, 2015, 10:27:19 pm
Thanks LS - I really enjoy your feedback here and your report on your blog!!  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 10:28:31 pm
How does it compare to the 950 in terms of weight while stading stil and moving?


The 950 feels heavier although the spec sheet shows that it's actually a little lighter.
When moving very slowly the AT feels more balanced, probably because it carries its weight lower down like a GS.
When moving the 950 feels more capable. I would probably attempt worse terrain with a 950 than an AT, but oh my goodness that automatic gearbox helps a lot to ease your mind.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 29, 2015, 10:29:47 pm
Hoe was die kos by die launch? ;) >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Road Hog on November 29, 2015, 10:31:43 pm
Hoe was die kos by die launch? ;) >:D

 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 10:31:57 pm
LS, you have just made the next three months of my life hell ! Just sold my 800 Adv, now the waiting starts. Thanks for all the meaningful info.  :thumleft:

You are not alone. I'm going through a similar hell and facing financial ruin.

Incidentally, the prices aren't official yet but Honda hopes to sell the bare bones base model for roughly R155 000, the ABS-only one for R167 000 and the fully specced DCT one for R187 000 - if the Rand holds out
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 29, 2015, 10:33:29 pm
Hoe was die kos by die launch? ;) >:D

Oraait, maar daar was Zulu-dansers met elke aandete wat baie weird vir die Touwsrivier-distrik is.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 29, 2015, 10:35:05 pm
Hoe was die kos by die launch? ;) >:D

Oraait, maar daar was Zulu-dansers met elke aandete wat baie weird vir die Touwsrivier-distrik is.
Reken die riel sou seker meer ingepas het ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LDV on November 29, 2015, 10:36:13 pm
R155000 is not bad. The last 990 sold for R145k.
My gat begin nou te jeuk. 


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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 29, 2015, 10:38:16 pm
Thanks LS, and well said in your blog.

You have though put the damn cat amongst the pigeons with the DCT option .... this I certainly did not expect to have to think about .... but I have already changed my mind on the colour, so the 'box might too.

 8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: sidetrack on November 29, 2015, 11:27:24 pm
Thanks LS reading your review makes me think of the XT660Z, good looking bike designed by the Italians but kept sensible with Japanese reliability and engineering. The Z too almost uses zero aluminium. The AT is going to be a very good dependable dual sport not a ground breaker but I guess no surprise. The DCT might pave the way for other bikes to make use of this technology. Crazy to think after almost 10 years the big 950 is still the one to beat offroad.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: evansv on November 30, 2015, 06:48:38 am
Thanks LS for the great feedback :thumleft: Can you lift the front wheel on the DCT for going over obstacles?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 07:09:11 am
Thanks LS for the great feedback :thumleft: Can you lift the front wheel on the DCT for going over obstacles?


Yes the front wheel can be briefly lifted for a second, maybe about knee high.
Sustained wheelies are impossible
Title: Re:
Post by: Casting from Turd on November 30, 2015, 07:22:55 am
Thanks for the feedback.
Hi jo hi ho....of to the bank damager I go.     

Orange Elephant Backpackers, Addo
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on November 30, 2015, 07:44:51 am
Thanks for all the feedback LS,much appreciated. :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: friggs on November 30, 2015, 08:24:15 am
Cheers for the feedback LS, really good to read some actual feedback and impressions especially regarding the DCT - I was also dead set against it but now I might even test ride one just to see how it feels.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Catchy on November 30, 2015, 08:52:44 am
LS, please tell us how the motor feels at 120-140 in regards to vibrations ? Perhaps comparing to the 800 BM's
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Mr Zog on November 30, 2015, 08:53:16 am
Nice write-up LS. Thanks  :thumleft:

Give us your impressions on that hot-water-geyser they added as a pipe. I know you said you'd fit an Akro, but how is the original? Does it purr, snarl, growl, scream, roar, whimper? It does look a bit big for the bike, but I suppose that's just for emission laws and such-like crap?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 09:37:17 am
LS, please tell us how the motor feels at 120-140 in regards to vibrations ? Perhaps comparing to the 800 BM's

I don't want to compare it to the 800GS because it's been ages since I rode one back when they were first launched. I have forgotten much of what it was like.
I can tell you that the motor is really eager to please, but at no point do you go: "OMG, here we go!" like you do on a 1190 or even a 1200 LC. It is fast, but not that fast.

Vibrations are really low. There is a slight tingling on your hands that you don't get with a Beemer, but it is far less than on a KTM.

Revs are at about 5K @ 140km/h if I remember correctly
140km/h is nice and relaxing. No wind issues and enough power left over if you quickly need to accelerate out of a bad situation
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: kwassi on November 30, 2015, 09:49:16 am
What aftermarket accessories would you suggest for it?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 30, 2015, 09:50:11 am
Thank you , its most appreciated - your impressions on the finish of the standard bikes compared to the ABS and up bikes would be great , somehow it seems that all the attention has been given to the more expensive models and the plain ones seem like an afterthought .

The roundel with the Honda wing is a plastic disc with a clear resin finish very similar to the roundel on a BMW.
I'm not sure how it is affixed, probably a small bolt and silicon glue

All the versions have this badge. All the bikes have the same trim level and finish. The higher models simply have more tech (like ABS and auto dual clutch transmission)

Thank you  . Did they have some of the plain bikes there ? The black one and the silver one ? Is so any impressions of them , I am swaying between the black and the white bikes .
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 10:08:11 am
Give us your impressions on that hot-water-geyser they added as a pipe. I know you said you'd fit an Akro, but how is the original? Does it purr, snarl, growl, scream, roar, whimper? It does look a bit big for the bike, but I suppose that's just for emission laws and such-like crap?

Honda sent their sound engineer (yes, they have such a guy) down to the launch. He pestered us all the time regarding the sound.
The Italian designer privately admitted that he hated the silencer, but it was regulation and that was that.

It purrs with a mellow throb when idling. It growls when revving. You can't hear the exhaust from the seat when at speed.
Standing at the roadside and a fellow rider came past it sounded well behaved, not hooligan at all.
It certainly doesn't scream and I wouldnt use the word snarl to describe it either

I think the stock sounds pretty decent, but I would rather have something a little louder. I hail from Bellville after all.
Plus the pipe is hideous and even if it had the best sound in the world I would still want something smaller and racier
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 10:12:11 am
What aftermarket accessories would you suggest for it?

Geez, I don't know.
I'm fairly tall (1.8-something meters) and I didn't meerkat very comfortably, so risers would be my first expense.
Then a luggage plate and a headlight protector.
Everyone has different needs. I, for example, am not bothered by crash bars
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Post by: bud500 on November 30, 2015, 10:15:49 am
Thanks for the write up, enjoyed it.

The one positive with regard to the step seat is when you pillion.
Did anybody pillion at the launch?
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 10:22:21 am
Did they have some of the plain bikes there ? The black one and the silver one ? Is so any impressions of them , I am swaying between the black and the white bikes .

They had a black one on static display in a conference room. It looked very, very good.
Unfortunately I don't have a pic
There were no silver ones to view

The HRC colour scheme is actually metallic. Metallic red and blue on pearl white. It is stunning when sunlight falls on it.
The red is traditional Honda red, not metallic.
The black is gloss and satin black, very nice as I said. The black obviously also makes it look smaller, until you stand right next to it.
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Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 10:26:01 am
Thanks for the write up, enjoyed it.

The one positive with regard to the step seat is when you pillion.
Did anybody pillion at the launch?

No. That would've been too weird. ;D
If there is one thing motorcycle journalist obsess about, it's their manliness.
plus there were no girls willing to ride pillion with us
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: bud500 on November 30, 2015, 10:32:28 am
Thanks for the write up, enjoyed it.

The one positive with regard to the step seat is when you pillion.
Did anybody pillion at the launch?

No. That would've been too weird. ;D
If there is one thing motorcycle journalist obsess about, it's their manliness.
plus there were no girls willing to ride pillion with us

 :lol8:
Understandable.

On my 990S that is the one thing I would like to have as an option for 2 up touring, a stepped seat, specifically Touratech's option. But 6 years of ownership later and I still haven't got it, so probably not that critical.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: kwassi on November 30, 2015, 10:33:02 am
What aftermarket accessories would you suggest for it?

Geez, I don't know.
I'm fairly tall (1.8-something meters) and I didn't meerkat very comfortably, so risers would be my first expense.
Then a luggage plate and a headlight protector.
Everyone has different needs. I, for example, am not bothered by crash bars

Thanks
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on November 30, 2015, 11:31:17 am
Great write up LS  :thumleft:
It is almost like most of us expected it to be. A middle of the road adventure bike with the usual Honda long term reliability in mind rather than an aggressive design brief.
This bike will suit a lot of riders.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 30, 2015, 11:39:06 am
My level of excitement about this bike is probably much higher than any "non-Honda fan" - understandably, but to try and be objective - remember, all reviews is a little bit subjective, no matter how hard you try!
What I'm getting to is - if you think about the fact that Honda has been absent from serious development and offerings in the DS segment for probably 15 yrs, if not longer (when the old AT was discontinued in 2003, it was already very dated), everybody reviewing this new bike will most probably not be a Honda DS fan - chances will be that most will either be a GS or KTM person, or at least think along those lines ... So obviously the GS's and KTM's will be used as the benchmark ...

If I take any other bike than my old XR650 off road now, it will probably take quite some time to "trust" its ability as much or more than the one I've known for a long time!!

Thus far most of the comments by testers is positive to extremely positive - and that after spending a mere few hours with the bike!
That tells me it must be a lot more than just hype and pretty pictures!
e.g.
1.  The engine with linear power delivery and no sudden hits is actually something most developers strive for - cause that makes the bike easier and safer to live with for the majority of people - especially off road.
2.  Top speed of 220-230 km/h approx. is more than enough to make sustained long distance cruising at speeds way above the speed limit not only easily possible, but also reliable - low stressed engine.
3.  The suspension seems to be very good - but I'm also sure if you want to clear table-tops frequently it will not be sufficient.

I see on Facebook somebody who also attended the launch describes it as: "The heaviest/biggest plastic I've ever ridden!" So it deserves to be called a CRF - just a big one!

No matter what you belief or not - one thing is for certain - it is not just another over weight poser - styled as a DS bike!!
I would describe it as: "The return of the 950/990 to have something to compare it to - just more user friendly to a wider audience and the added bonus of Japanese reliability, with more comfort and technology !"  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: edgy on November 30, 2015, 11:43:35 am
Im loving the looks and now even more positive after reading the few reports, I would like to add this as a long distance comfortable mile eater to my stable but I dont think it would replace the XRL....both have their place! :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Wolweseun on November 30, 2015, 11:47:52 am
Im loving the looks and now even more positive after reading the few reports, I would like to add this as a long distance comfortable mile eater to my stable but I dont think it would replace the XRL....both have their place! :thumleft:

Ditto  8)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on November 30, 2015, 12:05:56 pm
Ek wag nounog dat Honda my skakel omdat die "nuwe" XRL 650 in die showroom is, wonder of ek die moeite moet doen om hulle te vra om my te laat weet as die nuwe AT daar is?  :'(
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 12:10:44 pm
If you like concept art as much as i do, then take a look at these from the launch presentation.
It gives you some insight into the thoughts of the developers.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on November 30, 2015, 12:16:05 pm
If you like concept art as much as i do, then take a look at these from the launch presentation.
It gives you some insight into the thoughts of the developers.

Very interesting - thanks!
I think they did well - usually they drop the good-looking concepts and uses the ugly one ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 30, 2015, 05:26:28 pm
Did they have some of the plain bikes there ? The black one and the silver one ? Is so any impressions of them , I am swaying between the black and the white bikes .

They had a black one on static display in a conference room. It looked very, very good.
Unfortunately I don't have a pic
There were no silver ones to view

The HRC colour scheme is actually metallic. Metallic red and blue on pearl white. It is stunning when sunlight falls on it.
The red is traditional Honda red, not metallic.
The black is gloss and satin black, very nice as I said. The black obviously also makes it look smaller, until you stand right next to it.

Thank you very much , its good to have some more impressions of this bike . I put money down for an ABS version in August but your thoughts about the DCT version have certainly got me thinking.
I guess the question to ask you would be - if you decided to purchase the new AT which one would you go for - non-ABS , ABS or DCT/ABS ?
On that line of thought would the more features that the bike has ultimately effect reliability ? I get what Honda was saying about having a steel sub-frame that can be welded together anywhere from Kinshasa to Vladivostok  but are there sufficient mechanics to fix a DCT gearbox on that dusty road - or maybe Honda has got it right with a very durable gearbox , that one only time will tell .
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 30, 2015, 05:55:40 pm
I guess the question to ask you would be - if you decided to purchase the new AT which one would you go for - non-ABS , ABS or DCT/ABS ?

I don't know what anyone else will answer but I would choose between only two options: The purer non-ABS and the impressive DCT/ABS. Why go half measure?

The R30K difference could pay for an epic trip through Africa. 30K can take me as far as the equator and back. But then I'd have to convince myself that the basic model is better (which I know isn't true) and console myself that it is more reliable than the DCT (which I have no way of knowing for sure).

Or I could blow the R30K on the fully specced one and wait another year before I can afford to go on a cheaper Namibia trip.

On that line of thought would the more features that the bike has ultimately effect reliability ? I get what Honda was saying about having a steel sub-frame that can be welded together anywhere from Kinshasa to Vladivostok  but are there sufficient mechanics to fix a DCT gearbox on that dusty road - or maybe Honda has got it right with a very durable gearbox , that one only time will tell .

Ja, we'll have to wait and see how reliable it is. The only way to know for sure is to wait a year or two before buying. Let the brave among us buy the first batch and go through the recall and update pains, if there are any.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: shanti on November 30, 2015, 06:08:38 pm
cheers for that answer :)
They come with a two year guarantee apparently so the trick would be to take it north ASAP and let Honda deal with the consequences
Capricorn or Cancer 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Geel Kat on November 30, 2015, 06:10:27 pm
I need one.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Karel Kat on November 30, 2015, 06:11:32 pm
Thank you very much for the info, LS. Great write-up on your blog too. Must say I really like this bike from your and Donovan's reports on another thread. Even if it is a Honda. To be able to cruise at 140 on tar (or more, if need be) without killing the engine and then have the Honda's apparent ability on dirt, sounds just right. Like I said on the other thread I am glad that Honda did not get involved in the horsepower war.

Hmmm, ja, ok, financial ruin at this stage...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: cloudgazer on November 30, 2015, 09:08:01 pm
Sorry I missed the post about the prices.

Nice write up btw Luckstriker.
Very informative.
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: zacapa on November 30, 2015, 10:15:55 pm
I need to think about this - and sell some of my other bikes first...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Snafu on December 01, 2015, 09:10:43 am
Interesting air filter setup. Makes it very easy to keep it clean or replace
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: KiLRoy on December 01, 2015, 10:14:52 am
Thank you very much for the info, LS. Great write-up on your blog too. Must say I really like this bike from your and Donovan's reports on another thread. Even if it is a Honda. To be able to cruise at 140 on tar (or more, if need be) without killing the engine and then have the Honda's apparent ability on dirt, sounds just right. Like I said on the other thread I am glad that Honda did not get involved in the horsepower war.

Hmmm, ja, ok, financial ruin at this stage...

just cut back on your jetsetting  ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on December 01, 2015, 10:38:53 am
Ek LOVE die.
Nou MOET BMW n nuwe HP2 maak om die monde still te maak.  :biggrin: :pot:  :peepwall:  


Baie nice report thanks LS.  Die nuwe AT lyk soos n bullseye vir Honda.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on December 01, 2015, 01:29:07 pm
The promised link to TR's report:   https://af-za.facebook.com/TrailriderMedia

Some pics from TR's page ...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 01, 2015, 01:38:27 pm
Nou MOET BMW n nuwe HP2 maak

N LC HP2 is nie n slegte idee nie :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on December 01, 2015, 01:41:19 pm
Some more pics from TR's page...
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on December 01, 2015, 01:43:48 pm
Nou MOET BMW n nuwe HP2 maak

N LC HP2 is nie n slegte idee nie :thumleft:


 >:D
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 01, 2015, 01:46:52 pm
XRRX daai boonste foto is n photoshop...












Trailrider meerkat NOOIT :deal: ;)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Gérrard on December 01, 2015, 01:51:23 pm
Die bike moet dan klein van gestalte wees, want dit lyk nogal of hy staan  :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on December 01, 2015, 01:53:45 pm
XRRX daai boonste foto is n photoshop...













Trailrider meerkat NOOIT :deal: ;)


Die bike moet dan klein van gestalte wees, want dit lyk nogal of hy staan  :lol8:

  :spitcoffee: :lol8:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 01, 2015, 01:55:47 pm
Ek dink die kamera het vir TR gevang net toe hy n lang poep los :deal:
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Post by: whitedelight on December 01, 2015, 02:31:20 pm
TR's report also very cool.
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Post by: Koet on December 01, 2015, 02:33:59 pm
TR's report also very cool.

Am I missing something?  Other than the photos I don't really see the report on his FB page?  Basically just an intro to a report.  Then he says he's off to Moz so will finish later?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: friggs on December 01, 2015, 02:37:22 pm
TR's report also very cool.

Am I missing something?  Other than the photos I don't really see the report on his FB page?  Basically just an intro to a report.  Then he says he's off to Moz so will finish later?

Open the pictures, he has posted quite a comments with each picture as well
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on December 01, 2015, 02:50:34 pm
TR's report also very cool.

Am I missing something?  Other than the photos I don't really see the report on his FB page?  Basically just an intro to a report.  Then he says he's off to Moz so will finish later?

Open the pictures, he has posted quite a comments with each picture as well

Yep each picture has a little write up. Echoing very much what LS said in his blog.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on December 01, 2015, 03:33:24 pm
Another local write up.

http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/ (http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/)

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on December 01, 2015, 03:33:59 pm
TR's report also very cool.

Am I missing something?  Other than the photos I don't really see the report on his FB page?  Basically just an intro to a report.  Then he says he's off to Moz so will finish later?

Open the pictures, he has posted quite a comments with each picture as well

Yep each picture has a little write up. Echoing very much what LS said in his blog.

Yes, you click on each picture, and then click again at the bottom of the paragraph - think it says "more" or something ...

This is a cool pic!!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: XRRX on December 01, 2015, 03:52:12 pm
Another local write up.

http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/ (http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/)



Thanks - the best one yet!!  :thumleft:
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Post by: evansv on December 01, 2015, 03:53:34 pm
Another local write up.

http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/ (http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/)



Thanks - the best one yet!!  :thumleft:

Agreed.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: whitedelight on December 01, 2015, 04:53:52 pm
Another local write up.

http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/ (http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/)



Thanks - the best one yet!!  :thumleft:

Agreed.


To be fair LS and TR just gave impressions,not their full article for obvious reasons. This one is cool,would have been nice to hear the bike in the video.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Xpat on December 01, 2015, 04:59:20 pm
Quite frankly, I found LS'es one more believable. That zabikers ones just couldn't find anything wrong ... always suspicious, even for a good bike. But zabikers take on how distorted adv bikes market became is spot on, and I agree that this Honda seems to be the most honest big adventure bike on the market (no unnecessary power, no silly gadgets, no funny wheel sizes).
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BLK on December 01, 2015, 05:32:16 pm
I find this makes for interesting reading.I think the Honda looks brilliant but not miles in front of the BMW?(Plse don't kill me)

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Koet on December 01, 2015, 05:41:39 pm
Throw all the stats you want.  Only once you've ridden the bike will it either touch your soul or not.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: BLK on December 01, 2015, 05:46:43 pm
Throw all the stats you want.  Only once you've ridden the bike will it either touch your soul or not.
Don't doubt you.I look forward to that day.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: DirtyHarry on December 01, 2015, 05:48:29 pm
I shouldn't come back to this thread.
After reading the latest ZAbiker report, I might also end up with an Africa Twin early next year  ;)
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Jehan on December 01, 2015, 06:30:51 pm
Throw all the stats you want.  Only once you've ridden the bike will it either touch your soul or not.



Very well said Koet, very well said.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vis Arend on December 01, 2015, 07:51:05 pm
I shouldn't come back to this thread.
After reading the latest ZAbiker report, I might also end up with an Africa Twin early next year  ;)
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

+1  But I will give it a good try.   :biggrin:

FFS I should have neva subscribed to this thread............ O0 
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: evansv on December 02, 2015, 06:00:08 am
I want to try one & then decide if I go 690, or AT.

By the time you've thrown all the goodies on a 690 to get the same range as an AT & a bit more power, the cost is close to being the same as an AT.

I'm sure the AT will be better for slabbing for the longer trips too.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 02, 2015, 07:18:28 am
I want to try one & then decide if I go 690, or AT.

By the time you've thrown all the goodies on a 690 to get the same range as an AT & a bit more power, the cost is close to being the same as an AT.

I'm sure the AT will be better for slabbing for the longer trips too.

But the AT will not do more adventurous stuff at all, thus cutting out some adventure for you. But this is the dilemma we sit with in D/S bikes, on the one end of the scale
you get the KTM300 enduro bike for extreme offroad, and on the other end the Yamaha R1, superbly fine-tuned for tar roads. How and where do you match these two extremes?
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Vintage_Mania on December 02, 2015, 07:27:02 am
But this is the dilemma we sit with in D/S bikes, on the one end of the scale
you get the KTM300 enduro bike for extreme offroad, and on the other end the Yamaha R1, superbly fine-tuned for tar roads. How and where do you match these two extremes?


You don't and you will never be able to, in my opinion. I see on all these AT freds the wish-lists of the guys making comments. And to be honest, it is ridiculous. It's like saying you are disappointed in the new Ford Ranger, because it can do tar relatively good, as well as dirt roads, but it would be great if it can track to a mountain summit and beat a new GTi on tar and be able to take 200L of fuel but get at least 18km/l and and and and all in standard trim.

You will have to make a decision on what you want MOST out of your bike, then buy accordingly and prepare for those parts of the bike that will disappoint, but knowing that it will delight 80% of the time.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: evansv on December 02, 2015, 07:27:33 am
That is the dilemma & life is a compromise!
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: lj111 on December 02, 2015, 07:51:46 am
I hope the new AT sells well.
It will be nice to see something without a BMW badge on the road :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Cracker on December 02, 2015, 07:58:01 am
The day they make a Kawsaki KLX750ZX10 or a WR750R1 - we will all be happy  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on December 02, 2015, 09:35:31 am
But this is the dilemma we sit with in D/S bikes, on the one end of the scale you get the KTM300 enduro bike for extreme offroad, and on the other end the Yamaha R1, superbly fine-tuned for tar roads. How and where do you match these two extremes?

Don't want to match either of those machines. Want something inbetween.
Around 600cc bike with good power and torque - think the 650 v-stom engine will be good.
Around 150kg. Heavy enough for touring and light enough to pick up and tackle difficult trails where you would struggle with say a 990 (not enduro trails)
Fair range 300km is enough. Good fuel consumption means smaller lighter tank.

Not much in this range. Feel the 690 is a good contender. Just some wind protection and 5l more fuel.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Karel Kat on December 02, 2015, 10:05:38 am
A 650 is a wonderful bike but its main drawback is when you want to do long tar stretches, say 1000k's a day with luggage and you want to sit comfortably on the tar at around 140 km/h at below 5000 rpm with something to spare when you have to overtake trucks and such. With this capability and apparent dirt bias, the new Honda seems to fit the bill rather well.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: bud500 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:20 am
A 650 is a wonderful bike but its main drawback is when you want to do long tar stretches, say 1000k's a day with luggage and you want to sit comfortably on the tar at around 140 km/h at below 5000 rpm with something to spare when you have to overtake trucks and such. With this capability and apparent dirt bias, the new Honda seems to fit the bill rather well.

Agreed. And in my case add a pillion every now and then. That's why the 990 is difficult to beat, until this AT that is..
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on December 02, 2015, 10:28:16 am
A 650 is a wonderful bike but its main drawback is when you want to do long tar stretches, say 1000k's a day with luggage and you want to sit comfortably on the tar at around 140 km/h at below 5000 rpm with something to spare when you have to overtake trucks and such. With this capability and apparent dirt bias, the new Honda seems to fit the bill rather well.
Agreed. And in my case add a pillion every now and then. That's why the 990 is difficult to beat, until this AT that is..

Both those are in the bracket between the 650 class and the big bikes. They do however fall outside the more technical terrain that 2SD would like to ride.

That is why I mentioned the v-strom engine. Think the twin engine will be good at touring and cruising your 140. Would make the bike a bit heavier though.
The 800 bmw is also a good one although it needs to lose a bit of weight. (As in the 800gs enduro thread)

My point is there is not much in this bracket and people go for the heavier bikes rather than the smaller ones.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: SuperJuice on December 02, 2015, 01:15:12 pm
Agreed. And in my case add a pillion every now and then. That's why the 990 is difficult to beat, until this AT that is..

You belong on a Honda mate.

Been lurking and keeping an eye on this thread with keen interest, having been out of DS riding since I sold my 950. Nothing before the AT came along appealed to me and drew me enough to get back into it, so much so that I was looking at a 950/990 again, but also wanted something new and being the Honda nut that I am, this was custard to my malva.

Great write up LS, thank you for that and for the many questions you have answered.

Just want to add this small write up  and video by ADVMoto to this thread. There's a link at the end with some pics and itemised list of Touractech farkles for the AT that some of you may be interested in.

http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/reviews/24-reviews/bikes/1098-bikes-first-ride-africa-twin-review#.Vl7P998zfok (http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/reviews/24-reviews/bikes/1098-bikes-first-ride-africa-twin-review#.Vl7P998zfok)

Can't wait to get my mine, time to dust the kit off and waterproof my Tech 10's!

Hello to all those familiar faces btw!

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Kaboef on December 02, 2015, 02:00:58 pm
Does your comeback mean the Boobism thread will be unbanned?

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: SuperJuice on December 02, 2015, 02:17:26 pm
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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on December 02, 2015, 02:25:42 pm
A 650 is a wonderful bike but its main drawback is when you want to do long tar stretches, say 1000k's a day with luggage and you want to sit comfortably on the tar at around 140 km/h at below 5000 rpm with something to spare when you have to overtake trucks and such. With this capability and apparent dirt bias, the new Honda seems to fit the bill rather well.
Agreed. And in my case add a pillion every now and then. That's why the 990 is difficult to beat, until this AT that is..

Both those are in the bracket between the 650 class and the big bikes. They do however fall outside the more technical terrain that 2SD would like to ride.

That is why I mentioned the v-strom engine. Think the twin engine will be good at touring and cruising your 140. Would make the bike a bit heavier though.
The 800 bmw is also a good one although it needs to lose a bit of weight. (As in the 800gs enduro thread)

My point is there is not much in this bracket and people go for the heavier bikes rather than the smaller ones.

Vstrom 650 engine is very good but a V twin is heavy and big. (frame wise) giving you less ground clearance.

That's the reason for the Parralel Twin.

So I agree that what we need but I will swap your Vtwin Suzuki engine with the Kawasaki 650 Parallel engine then one should be able to get to that weight. +- 170kg's and do all the rest. Also it produces torque lower down. So take the Versys engine, into a more refined KLR body (make it look better but keep the ruggedness and fuel tank), ad switchable ABS, now we have a winner.  Kawasaki basically has all these thing...they just need to combine it. But seems they are focused more on Motocross and Superbikes.

The BMW 1200 HP2 was 172KG's. Just to put this 1000cc Honda into perspective. if the BMW had abs added it would have been about 180kg's.  So 230kg;s is stil lquite heavy.

Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Omninorm on December 02, 2015, 02:35:21 pm
I find this makes for interesting reading.I think the Honda looks brilliant but not miles in front of the BMW?(Plse don't kill me)



...add the weights to get power to weight ratios and it's even closer.

Fantastic to have some more competition though.
I'll buy a Honda. :)
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: bud500 on December 02, 2015, 02:47:21 pm
Agreed. And in my case add a pillion every now and then. That's why the 990 is difficult to beat, until this AT that is..

You belong on a Honda mate.

Hello to all those familiar faces btw!



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Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Superboet on December 02, 2015, 04:19:13 pm




So I agree that what we need but I will swap your Vtwin Suzuki engine with the Kawasaki 650 Parallel engine then one should be able to get to that weight. +- 170kg's and do all the rest. Also it produces torque lower down. So take the Versys engine, into a more refined KLR body (make it look better but keep the ruggedness and fuel tank), ad switchable ABS, now we have a winner.  Kawasaki basically has all these thing...they just need to combine it.


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If I am not mistaken, this is precisely what DOC KLR is busy with.
Title: Re: New Africa Twin ITS REAL!!!!!!!
Post by: Karel Kat on December 02, 2015, 05:16:42 pm
Maybe it's ignorance talking but surely the Versys only churns out its power higher up the rev scale? While not really powerful and with a shitty top-end, the beauty of the KLR is actually that it has a bit of low-down grunt and useable power from around 1800rpm. On a klipperige paadjie the Vers