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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Omninorm on November 18, 2014, 10:15:37 am

Title: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on November 18, 2014, 10:15:37 am
It's the bike I wanted to get and ticked all the boxes regarding off-road ability and even commuting etc but it lacked the passenger, and long highway ride ability I needed.

I'm just curious as to why so many KTM 690's are on sale?
Owners getting something else, upgrading to the 2014 models, going 1190?

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: cocky on November 18, 2014, 10:17:36 am
I think many guy's are buying new ones, if I look at the number on the Amageza then they are very popular. Rumour has it there is a brand new one for next year.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: StuartC on November 18, 2014, 10:20:36 am
People have discovered DR650's
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 18, 2014, 10:45:46 am
People have discovered DR650's

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: :imaposer:


Anyways..... The market changes. Sometimes there are more of a certain bike available, usually right after you were looking for one and couldn't find  :deal:

And then of course, the "why so many..." threads follow shortly after with a bunch of band brashing comments. It's standard wild dog form
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: DikZol on November 18, 2014, 10:59:24 am
I am always curious why these 690's are sold with such low mileage and short ownership. I would like to own one but I am worried about reliability and maintenance cost. Add the fact that it takes a bit to farkle it to where I want it I am wondering whether those have have done it came out slightly disappointed? Or is this tool just too sharp for most riders?

I am still dreaming of owning a real good all round single rider DS bike since I already have the 1150GSA that can go most places with a pillion.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: cocky on November 18, 2014, 11:04:07 am
I am always curious why these 690's are sold with such low mileage and short ownership. I would like to own one but I am worried about reliability and maintenance cost. Add the fact that it takes a bit to farkle it to where I want it I am wondering whether those have have done it came out slightly disappointed? Or is this tool just too sharp for most riders?

I am still dreaming of owning a real good all round single rider DS bike since I already have the 1150GSA that can go most places with a pillion.
I don't know where this question of reliability and service cost come from. Our two bikes ran the Amageza with nothing more than a air filter clean on day two. There was one bike that suffered fuel pump issues, for the rest they ran like stick. The seat is not the most comfortable but for the rest the bike works well.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: ETS on November 18, 2014, 11:34:47 am
My take: to much of an in-betweener. Very good for the Ama, butttt not really a touring bike-- not a plastic. Had one, would keep it if i could have an unlimited number of bikes.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Xpat on November 18, 2014, 11:51:26 am
My take: to much of an in-betweener. Very good for the Ama, butttt not really a touring bike-- not a plastic. Had one, would keep it if i could have an unlimited number of bikes.

+1

I don't have 690 but Husky 630 (with fairing and big tank), which is the same category. In my experience these bikes have very specialized use -  they are not good for long distance riding even on good gravel road (yes they can do it and I did it, but its no joy) and they are too big to enjoy in DeWildt. Apart for rally, they are great for focused trips like Kaokoland (VZP, Marienfluss, riverbeds), Lesotho off the main roads, Mozambique sand monster, Richtersveld. But while I have ridden Husky couple of times to Mozambique and Lesotho, I don't do it anymore as its too much chore, and rather take it there on a bakkie.

As a result I tend to ride my Tenere much more than Husky which gets taken out at best once a year for that special trip. I can afford multiple bikes so I keep it for that once in a while trip, but if I couldn't I would have to let it go.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 18, 2014, 11:56:37 am
Three capital letters; K and T and M should give you a clue.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: blainec on November 18, 2014, 12:04:45 pm
ETS , I think you have hit it on the head it is a bike that sits in no mans land , to hard for touring and no range, to heavy and tall in comparison to a plastic bike. I bought a new one and only had it for a couple of months as I just could not really bond with the bike and that seat is like an ironing board .

Having said that In my early twenties I went all over the country as well as Zim ,Zambia , and Mozambique on a stock standard Honda XR 500. That seat was also something else , it also did not have the happy button to start it . When the bitch decided to be stubborn you would kick your arse off to no avail. In those days that was all that was available so you rode it.

Almost 30 years later I have a completely different few on what is fun and what is not .

I still think it is a nice bike but it did not suit me , if so many are up for sale I am willing to bet that we are all of a similar age and bought the bike thinking you are twenty  and got a huge reality check.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 18, 2014, 12:28:07 pm
I've just completed Amageza on mine, I'll commute between JHB and PTA on it on Friday and I'll most likely go play on the local MX track with it on Sunday. Then I'll probably do a tour to the southern cape on it in December. I don't think it's fair to say the bike is in no mans land.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Xpat on November 18, 2014, 12:33:12 pm
I've just completed Amageza on mine, I'll commute between JHB and PTA on it on Friday and I'll most likely go play on the local MX track with it on Sunday. Then I'll probably do a tour to the southern cape on it in December. I don't think it's fair to say the bike is in no mans land.

Let's talk in January then.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: DikZol on November 18, 2014, 12:35:40 pm
I am always curious why these 690's are sold with such low mileage and short ownership. I would like to own one but I am worried about reliability and maintenance cost. Add the fact that it takes a bit to farkle it to where I want it I am wondering whether those have have done it came out slightly disappointed? Or is this tool just too sharp for most riders?

I am still dreaming of owning a real good all round single rider DS bike since I already have the 1150GSA that can go most places with a pillion.
I don't know where this question of reliability and service cost come from. Our two bikes ran the Amageza with nothing more than a air filter clean on day two. There was one bike that suffered fuel pump issues, for the rest they ran like stick. The seat is not the most comfortable but for the rest the bike works well.
I just never hear of any high mileage 690's.

From my own experience with KTM is that they are very expensive to maintain.

Good subsequent posts also. Still think the 990 is the ultimate all rounder though.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: ETS on November 18, 2014, 12:42:09 pm
I've just completed Amageza on mine, I'll commute between JHB and PTA on it on Friday and I'll most likely go play on the local MX track with it on Sunday. Then I'll probably do a tour to the southern cape on it in December. I don't think it's fair to say the bike is in no mans land.

You are quite right J, butttt i just reckon not as many riders are as accomplished as you. Had one, they are fantastic bikes, buttt rather a third choice bike for most of us :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: cocky on November 18, 2014, 12:52:34 pm
I am always curious why these 690's are sold with such low mileage and short ownership. I would like to own one but I am worried about reliability and maintenance cost. Add the fact that it takes a bit to farkle it to where I want it I am wondering whether those have have done it came out slightly disappointed? Or is this tool just too sharp for most riders?

I am still dreaming of owning a real good all round single rider DS bike since I already have the 1150GSA that can go most places with a pillion.
I don't know where this question of reliability and service cost come from. Our two bikes ran the Amageza with nothing more than a air filter clean on day two. There was one bike that suffered fuel pump issues, for the rest they ran like stick. The seat is not the most comfortable but for the rest the bike works well.
I just never hear of any high mileage 690's.

From my own experience with KTM is that they are very expensive to maintain.

Good subsequent posts also. Still think the 990 is the ultimate all rounder though.
That is a perception and maintain means different things to people. Tyres, YES, caused by direct and massive torque curve. In the past service and parts have been poor, but that has changed significantly and the parts are priced at average I believe.  There is not a ACME for KTM, nobody knows where crashed KTM's go, but that said from what we are hearing of late from BMW owners their experience with the Motorad people and price of parts is making it a similarly expensive product to own.

All things being equal, KTM just puts a huge smile on your face, once you have ridden a 990 with open pipes it is "good night nurse".
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: BLK on November 18, 2014, 01:03:32 pm
The 690 is a wonderful bike and best in the dirt but as soon as you are having to travel with others on tar/distance you feel like you are always trying to keep up.
Instead of the new KTM 1050 they should modify this 690 with long range tank,centre stand,suitable seat,carrying capacity(Strong sub frame).

I none the less do miss mine even though I'm past it.

Cheers
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on November 18, 2014, 01:21:03 pm
Just to be clear I didn't start this thread to be a bashing thing at all.
I am genuinely interested as I almost bought one as I love how it looks, rides etc. It just wasn't there for me as a do-it-all bike I was kinda looking for.
The reasoning for the thread was just that I cannot find much fault with it if you are a only rider esp after you added a Rally kit....which does make it very expensive for a thumper, but other than pillion issues I read everywhere how amazing they are... but then I see a lot of them always for sale and as DikZol commented i also noticed very few are above 20 000km, not just here but other forums internationally as well.

Just a genuine curiosity of why they would sell so quickly if it's such an amazing bike...which I think it is - other than not fit for my usage.

I would have loved it in a 650 Adventure R frame - or just made it a little more pillion friendly so one can carry a pillion and some luggage if you had to.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Koos van den Heever on November 18, 2014, 01:27:11 pm
Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on November 18, 2014, 01:28:59 pm
Enjoy!!!

Nice!
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dirt Junkie on November 18, 2014, 01:37:17 pm
love my 690 puts a big smile on my face every time I ride it, next bike will be a new 690.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 18, 2014, 01:39:25 pm
i also noticed very few are above 20 000km, not just here but other forums internationally as well.

Same thing with most SE's and HP2's. The riding they do tends to be a bit more technical so it's harder to rack up the miles. Also, as ETS rightly also said, most prefer to have those kind of bikes as 2nd and 3rd bikes. It makes sense that the mileage is lower

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: DikZol on November 18, 2014, 01:42:07 pm
I am always curious why these 690's are sold with such low mileage and short ownership. I would like to own one but I am worried about reliability and maintenance cost. Add the fact that it takes a bit to farkle it to where I want it I am wondering whether those have have done it came out slightly disappointed? Or is this tool just too sharp for most riders?

I am still dreaming of owning a real good all round single rider DS bike since I already have the 1150GSA that can go most places with a pillion.
I don't know where this question of reliability and service cost come from. Our two bikes ran the Amageza with nothing more than a air filter clean on day two. There was one bike that suffered fuel pump issues, for the rest they ran like stick. The seat is not the most comfortable but for the rest the bike works well.
I just never hear of any high mileage 690's.

From my own experience with KTM is that they are very expensive to maintain.

Good subsequent posts also. Still think the 990 is the ultimate all rounder though.
That is a perception and maintain means different things to people. Tyres, YES, caused by direct and massive torque curve. In the past service and parts have been poor, but that has changed significantly and the parts are priced at average I believe.  There is not a ACME for KTM, nobody knows where crashed KTM's go, but that said from what we are hearing of late from BMW owners their experience with the Motorad people and price of parts is making it a similarly expensive product to own.

All things being equal, KTM just puts a huge smile on your face, once you have ridden a 990 with open pipes it is "good night nurse".

Ja ek weet. Begeer 'n 990R!
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: cocky on November 18, 2014, 01:46:58 pm
i also noticed very few are above 20 000km, not just here but other forums internationally as well.

Same thing with most SE's and HP2's. The riding they do tends to be a bit more technical so it's harder to rack up the miles. Also, as ETS rightly also said, most prefer to have those kind of bikes as 2nd and 3rd bikes. It makes sense that the mileage is lower


What Dwerg says is very true, few of the 690's are used as adventure bikes in the way that 990's and GS's are used, they tend to lead a hard life and get used as big plastic bikes. My 990 has over a 100 000km's on it, but in no way are those km's as hard as the 2000km's the 690's did on the Amageza.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on November 18, 2014, 01:52:16 pm
i also noticed very few are above 20 000km, not just here but other forums internationally as well.

Same thing with most SE's and HP2's. The riding they do tends to be a bit more technical so it's harder to rack up the miles. Also, as ETS rightly also said, most prefer to have those kind of bikes as 2nd and 3rd bikes. It makes sense that the mileage is lower



Makes a lot of sense actually.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 18, 2014, 01:55:38 pm
Enjoy!!!

Awesome photo  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Buff on November 18, 2014, 03:20:32 pm
Having gone from a 660 Tenere, up to a Super Tenere and back down to a 690, I can tell you all you need to know  ;)

The 690 is a purpose built bike and that purpose aint open road cruising. It's got stuff all wind protection and although the new models have a better seat, it's still not great. It's also got a pathetically small tank, good for 200km's only. The result is that riding to the play areas is not the most pleasant experience.
It is however awesome on trails and general gravel road, unmatched really and with so much power you can lift the front over most things rather effortlessly. It's also great around town because it's narrow and weighs nothing so very easy to throw around.

As an adventure bike, the 660 Tenere is the better option. It doesn't have the power or suspension of the 690 but it's got enough to get the job done and it's got a very respectable fuel range.

As a Trails & play bike, the 690 can't be beat... neither can it be beat for the Grin factor, your teeth get cold riding it  ;D

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 18, 2014, 03:55:59 pm
Having gone from a 660 Tenere, up to a Super Tenere and back down to a 690, I can tell you all you need to know  ;)

The 690 is a purpose built bike and that purpose aint open road cruising. It's got stuff all wind protection and although the new models have a better seat, it's still not great. It's also got a pathetically small tank, good for 200km's only. The result is that riding to the play areas is not the most pleasant experience.
It is however awesome on trails and general gravel road, unmatched really and with so much power you can lift the front over most things rather effortlessly. It's also great around town because it's narrow and weighs nothing so very easy to throw around.

As an adventure bike, the 660 Tenere is the better option. It doesn't have the power or suspension of the 690 but it's got enough to get the job done and it's got a very respectable fuel range.

As a Trails & play bike, the 690 can't be beat... neither can it be beat for the Grin factor, your teeth get cold riding it  ;D



There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Take my 610 for example, it is more stable, has a better spread of gears, better ground clearance, better suspension and better fuel economy than a 690. The only area where is the 690 has it beat is overall power. Of course the 610 is no longer in production so the 690 has it beat in this regard.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Buff on November 18, 2014, 04:01:37 pm
True but it still has a poor fuel range for an adventure bike and I still wouldn't want to spend a full day in the saddle on it touring.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 18, 2014, 04:03:24 pm
True but it still has a poor fuel range for an adventure bike and I still wouldn't want to spend a full day in the saddle on it touring.

Agreed
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: sidetrack on November 18, 2014, 04:10:30 pm
I highly doubt a 610 has better ground clearance than a 690 and the seat on the 610 is terrible. Still a great bike  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 18, 2014, 04:14:54 pm
I highly doubt a 610 has better ground clearance than a 690 and the seat on the 610 is terrible. Still a great bike  :thumleft:

Go read the stats.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: badseed on November 18, 2014, 09:25:34 pm
690 , 640 , 610 , DR650 , DR400 . XR650R and XT600 are the last of the real adventure bikes ,with sadly only the 690 still available . Their compromise is that you have to chill a bit on the big road sections , but they can still do them and force one to ride a bit slower with the benefit of seeing more of the ride. The big bikes smoke the big roads and with a bit of skill can do some rough but try 'the road to hell ' for eg and it can't be done. So lets call them adventure light . The reason the SE , HP2 and 690 seldom have high mileage is that very few guys and girls have the stomach for adventure and tend to follow safe regular routes for which their big bikes are ok . We've all gone soft and don't have the bottle to suffer a bit to get the big rewards. Nothing wrong with  the bikes.   
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: meteldog on November 19, 2014, 09:20:35 am
I've also noticed many for sale with low kilos. I have ridden a couple of the 690's guys bring on my tours, great bike, I love the power and handling, BUT the 690 is an Enduro bike, not a DS bike.

On all the 690's I have ridden the owners have fitted expensive "Adventure" kits to compensate for lack wind protection and limited fuel capacity and most of the guys have also changed the seat. Some of them have also had their suspension modified as they say the stock suspension setup does not work on normal gravel for them. No sub frame also needs modification for carrying luggage.

I guess KTM must have done some market research when they discontinued the 640 Adventure :-(  With the end of the importation DR, XR and KLR we left with very little affordable choice on 650 DS bikes ,now At 100k plus for a XT660Z or BMW650, what else is there out there?

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on November 19, 2014, 11:31:13 am
If I had to choose one bike for touring, playing, Ama-whatsit, and commuting, I would have to seriously look at the 690 Rally - ala Dwerg's bike.......  ;)

It can do everything you need, better at some than at others, but competent all round.  :thumleft:

If I could afford 2 bikes though, it wouldn't make the list!  ???

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: jaybiker on November 19, 2014, 11:34:01 am
The general opinion is absolutely right. There are numerous valid reasons why the 690 is not the ideal bike for the majority. In my case the reasons are obvious.

One. I can't afford one.
Two. At 70 years old, I can no longer ride dirt worth shit.

But. Gimme the means and the opportunity, and I'll take one in a second, no matter how far it's potential is beyond my ability.

I still have that old British rider's masochistic streak for enduring discomfort and windblast for hundreds of Km's, those are just  trifling considerations.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Whethefakawe on November 19, 2014, 11:58:48 am
 I own a "modified" Honda XR 650R, and several KTM 250 to 950 dirtbikes......NOT a 690. I've always thought the KTM 690 was a slightly-higher-tech KLR......but just read the latest Dirtbike magazine (or was it DirtRider? Forget.....I get every dirtbike mag on the market every month, they pile up quick  :laughing4:)

Regardless of yer opinion of the yanks......the boys at these magazines know their shite. They spend lots of time flogging these bikes.....so you can, for the most part, rely on their findings and opinions.

Read the newest test of the KTM 690......quite enligtening. Yes, it has endurance issues....that can be fixed. But other than that, not many negatives. Or ANY.

Read it. I did, and I was impressed.

Oh...btw....Enduro360.com agreed almost verbatim......an independent, non-corporate source.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 19, 2014, 06:36:49 pm
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Take my 610 for example, it is more stable, has a better spread of gears, better ground clearance, better suspension and better fuel economy than a 690. The only area where is the 690 has it beat is overall power. Of course the 610 is no longer in production so the 690 has it beat in this regard.
There are also many ways to interpret stats.

610 has better suspension for riding to church maybe.
It's "better" ground clearance makes for a more top heavy feel.
Gear spacing of the Husky is awesome and useless on the 690

I own a "modified" Honda XR 650R, and several KTM 250 to 950 dirtbikes......NOT a 690. I've always thought the KTM 690 was a slightly-higher-tech KLR......but just read the latest Dirtbike magazine (or was it DirtRider? Forget.....I get every dirtbike mag on the market every month, they pile up quick  :laughing4:)

Regardless of yer opinion of the yanks......the boys at these magazines know their shite. They spend lots of time flogging these bikes.....so you can, for the most part, rely on their findings and opinions.

Read the newest test of the KTM 690......quite enligtening. Yes, it has endurance issues....that can be fixed. But other than that, not many negatives. Or ANY.

Read it. I did, and I was impressed.

Oh...btw....Enduro360.com agreed almost verbatim......an independent, non-corporate source.

Dirtbike magazine: "with the stock gearing, the motor was loping along at 4000rpm at an indicated 55 mph in sixth.." <- this means it's revving 4K and not even reaching 90Km/h
I read that as negative.
It is also the only reason why I don't have a 690.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2014, 06:56:56 pm
I don't understand why that is a negative?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 19, 2014, 07:07:11 pm
I don't understand why that is a negative?
Because a 610 would be doing 107 @ 4000 rpm
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2014, 07:41:55 pm
I don't understand why that is a negative?
Because a 610 would be doing 107 @ 4000 rpm

What revs would a 610 be doing at 185? I can tell you that the 690 hits the limiter  :ricky:

Still don't understand why that is an issue
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 19, 2014, 07:56:02 pm
I don't understand why that is a negative?
Because a 610 would be doing 107 @ 4000 rpm

What revs would a 610 be doing at 185? I can tell you that the 690 hits the limiter  :ricky:

Still don't understand why that is an issue

The 610 is a long stroke small bore engine, not a short stroke large bore screamer like the 690.
The 610 will probably not reach a true 185.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 19, 2014, 08:00:53 pm
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Take my 610 for example, it is more stable, has a better spread of gears, better ground clearance, better suspension and better fuel economy than a 690. The only area where is the 690 has it beat is overall power. Of course the 610 is no longer in production so the 690 has it beat in this regard.
There are also many ways to interpret stats.

610 has better suspension for riding to church maybe.
It's "better" ground clearance makes for a more top heavy feel.
Gear spacing of the Husky is awesome and useless on the 690

I own a "modified" Honda XR 650R, and several KTM 250 to 950 dirtbikes......NOT a 690. I've always thought the KTM 690 was a slightly-higher-tech KLR......but just read the latest Dirtbike magazine (or was it DirtRider? Forget.....I get every dirtbike mag on the market every month, they pile up quick  :laughing4:)

Regardless of yer opinion of the yanks......the boys at these magazines know their shite. They spend lots of time flogging these bikes.....so you can, for the most part, rely on their findings and opinions.

Read the newest test of the KTM 690......quite enligtening. Yes, it has endurance issues....that can be fixed. But other than that, not many negatives. Or ANY.

Read it. I did, and I was impressed.

Oh...btw....Enduro360.com agreed almost verbatim......an independent, non-corporate source.

Dirtbike magazine: "with the stock gearing, the motor was loping along at 4000rpm at an indicated 55 mph in sixth.." <- this means it's revving 4K and not even reaching 90Km/h
I read that as negative.
It is also the only reason why I don't have a 690.

The 690 R had a semi decent suspension stock while the stock suspension on the standard 690 is crap, no way is it better than the 610. BTW the stock suspension on my 950 SER is also shite, especially the shock.  
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 19, 2014, 08:05:55 pm
What revs would a 610 be doing at 185? I can tell you that the 690 hits the limiter  :ricky:

Still don't understand why that is an issue

Let's talk in January then.
:)
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
I was being facetious. Just saying, bikes live and work in the real world. Not on rev stats and website quotes. I'm sure the 610 is a good bike. I would've probably owned one if there was a good one on the market when I was looking
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 19, 2014, 08:13:17 pm
I was being facetious. Just saying, bikes live and work in the real world. Not on rev stats and website quotes.
Perhaps.
All I know is, I've sold my most favorite bike in the whole world, due to gear ratio's.
Having to the rev the tits off the poor thing on long rides was just unbearable.

So my opinion carries a lot of emotion.
 :'(
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 19, 2014, 08:14:35 pm
I sold my 690 because it was the worst bike I ever owned.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 19, 2014, 08:23:28 pm
I sold my 690 because it was the worst bike I ever owned.

But your Gen 1 SM is quite a bit different from the 690 E/R that's being discussed no?
Different motor, different SM suspension, different electronics.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 19, 2014, 09:28:35 pm
I sold my 690 because it was the worst bike I ever owned.

But your Gen 1 SM is quite a bit different from the 690 E/R that's being discussed no?
Different motor, different SM suspension, different electronics.


Agreed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: sidetrack on November 20, 2014, 07:42:47 am
My 610 did 170 km/h GPS speed for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Koos van den Heever on November 20, 2014, 08:40:52 am
My 610 did 170 km/h GPS speed for what it is worth.

My 690 with fairing and full tanks;  Standard gearing (sprockets) -> 170 km/h up here in Transvaal.
I got up to 163 km/h in the thick sand on Amageza.

All GPS speed.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on November 20, 2014, 10:08:28 am
I own a "modified" Honda XR 650R, and several KTM 250 to 950 dirtbikes......NOT a 690. I've always thought the KTM 690 was a slightly-higher-tech KLR......but just read the latest Dirtbike magazine (or was it DirtRider? Forget.....I get every dirtbike mag on the market every month, they pile up quick  :laughing4:)

Regardless of yer opinion of the yanks......the boys at these magazines know their shite. They spend lots of time flogging these bikes.....so you can, for the most part, rely on their findings and opinions.

Read the newest test of the KTM 690......quite enligtening. Yes, it has endurance issues....that can be fixed. But other than that, not many negatives. Or ANY.

Read it. I did, and I was impressed.

Oh...btw....Enduro360.com agreed almost verbatim......an independent, non-corporate source.

That is exactly why I wondered why so many are for sale. i.e if it's so good why sell it?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rough Rider on November 20, 2014, 10:31:48 am
My 610 did 170 km/h GPS speed for what it is worth.

My 690 with fairing and full tanks;  Standard gearing (sprockets) -> 170 km/h up here in Transvaal.
I got up to 163 km/h in the thick sand on Amageza.

All GPS speed.


Don't forget there is 124cc difference in size between the 610 and new generation 690. The 610 is actually 576cc  :deal:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on November 20, 2014, 11:50:50 am
My 610 did 170 km/h GPS speed for what it is worth.

My 690 with fairing and full tanks;  Standard gearing (sprockets) -> 170 km/h up here in Transvaal.
I got up to 163 km/h in the thick sand on Amageza.

All GPS speed.

hmm that's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: alanB on November 20, 2014, 01:50:21 pm
Its funny how polarised people are around this issue. 

Some people believe "the 690 is an enduro bike not a DS bike" while others think its perfect, or close to perfect.

I think the guys that don't think the 690 is a DS bike are more inclined to thinking about the big litre class battleships as "proper DS bikes", maybe because their primary requirement is comfort while touring on tar - while I have the opposite view, I cant stand tar and just see it as a necessary evil and thus am willing to be uncomforatble and bored - as long as the off road bit at the end is fun  :thumleft:  :biggrin:. 

But the 690 is certainly not an enduro bike, simply because you would be mad to try and do a proper enduro on one (although some people insist the GS1200 can quite easily do Baboon's pass, so maybe lets not say "mad" just unusually stubborn!  :biggrin:)

Personally if I were in the market for a new DS bike it would be the 690, simply because its the only bike of that type available.  And that is certainly the type of bike I think is perfect for my type of DS riding!  :biggrin:

As with any bike, you need to sort a few things out first:
1) Rock hard seat needs replacement
2) Maybe bigger tank.  I like the two aux. tanks you get for it on the front  :thumleft:
3) Don't know what the suspension is like.
4) Obviously any reliability issues need to be addressed (not sure what the latest status is?)

That's probably about it.

I wouldn't worry about wind protection - I've personally found that the buffeting induced by those fairing is more irritating than the wind load - but then I don't try cruise at 160  :deal:

And given the choice between a 690 and 610 - well I went through that process and chose the 610 - and am very happy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: billy-joe on November 22, 2014, 06:53:00 am
how does the X-Challenge compare to us mere mortals who don't need the extra power?  is the suspension, barring the airbag at the back, up to standard?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Mooch on November 22, 2014, 07:39:10 am
It is natural that 690's will generally have lower milage than the big DS bikes because they are not great (easy/comfortable) long distance cruizers. They are probably better "playground" bikes but that involves shorter distances and a more specific need. Lets face it although there are a few hard core adventurers out there, the bulk of the population take the easy or middle of the line adventure route with some easier gravel roads or even tar routes in the mix. This means those bigger Adventure bikes rack up Kms much quicker than a more purpose built 690 would. The average use of a 690 would be probably be more technichal and specific meaning that less Km can be covered in a day.

So there you have it. Its not going to be the average Joes choice of bike or the bulk of the general populations choice as it has a more niche apeal, that does not suit everyone out there and quite a few people have probably discovered that after spontaneously buying one. Having said that - Its a great bike if thats what you want!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: StuartC on November 22, 2014, 07:17:02 pm
can it do 100000 without a rebuild?  i somehow think you will be lucky to get half that
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 22, 2014, 08:31:30 pm
Whats the recommended service interval on as 690 anyway?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dirt Junkie on November 22, 2014, 08:36:53 pm
7.5k think the newer models are 10k not sure
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: badseed on November 22, 2014, 09:39:25 pm
10000 km  service interval. Bike has a two year warranty .

I give my bikes a 5000km oil change as a precaution.

And the kak about the seat refers yo the pre 2013 models only. From 2013 the seat is brilliant. Only today three of us 690 riders that all do mileage were waxing  about the comfort of the seats.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Uberutang on June 29, 2015, 02:33:22 pm
Perhaps people are upgrading to ABS models?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Baches on June 29, 2015, 03:04:27 pm
My 690 is a 2012 model and the seat for me is much better than the KTM 530's seat. The 690 is a much better allrounder if you want to do dune riding, gravel roads,river beds and tweespoor paadjies. Long distance D/S type touring is a no no. You will feel like a afdroog lappie hanging from the washing line.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 29, 2015, 03:28:04 pm
Is the 530 not better at 2 spoor and river beds?
Does your 2 spoor have those natural berms around some turns?
Did you try to rail them with the 530?
Did you try to rail them with your 690?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Baches on June 29, 2015, 07:28:48 pm
Jip did both and yes we did a trip in Damaraland two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 29, 2015, 10:23:27 pm
You found the 690 better at doing this?
(http://rx.iscdn.net/2013/11/63558_caselli2-x2.jpg)

You have a very special 690  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 29, 2015, 10:23:49 pm
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 29, 2015, 10:26:02 pm
You found the 690 better at doing this?
(http://motocrossactionmag.com/Uploads/Public/Images/2012/april/tc250/TC250-6.JPG)

You have a very special 690  :thumleft:

So Wolfskaap, you think a 690 cannot do that? why not?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: boland on June 29, 2015, 10:30:16 pm
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

The truth has been spoken!!!
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 29, 2015, 10:34:01 pm
Will require much more skill, commitment and balls than doing it on a 530 which shares the same platform as the bike in my post.

We all know that Scott Summers won the GNCC series on an XR600 but that was more a reflection of his skills than the bike's superiority.
So yes, you are welcome to do a backflip with a 450 rally bike. It is possible, bloody impressive, but certainly not the right tool for the job.

Same goes for the 690, XR650R etc. in all regards.

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on June 29, 2015, 11:03:06 pm
I don't quite understand how people can say a 690 is not a "true" DS bike. What about classic DS bikes like XR's and DR's? The 690 has all the shortcomings those bikes have, just in a much more modern package, yet no one seems to think those bikes aren't "true" DS bikes. Am I missing something here?  ???
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 29, 2015, 11:33:09 pm
No, I believe they are the quintessential DS bikes, which is why most decide to rather settle for something more focussed at the commuting side of things (GS) or enduro (450) or high speed dirt highway destroyers (1290)

They play a very important part in many biker's pursuit to establishing what they want from a bike.
In some ways, I look at it as biking in its purest form.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2015, 07:10:45 am
Wolfskaap, I agree that the 690 can not be compared to the big full-blown enduro bikes like the 530, weight being the issue here.

I also agree that the 690 is the purest form of D/S bike currently available, despite it's luggage shortcomings.

The 690's fuel range shortcomings is no worse than that on standard DR650, XR650L, etc.

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on June 30, 2015, 07:21:47 am
Will require much more skill, commitment and balls than doing it on a 530 which shares the same platform as the bike in my post.

We all know that Scott Summers won the GNCC series on an XR600 but that was more a reflection of his skills than the bike's superiority.
So yes, you are welcome to do a backflip with a 450 rally bike. It is possible, bloody impressive, but certainly not the right tool for the job.

Same goes for the 690, XR650R etc. in all regards.

Conversely, just because the rider doesn't have the skill to ride the bike in certain conditions doesn't automatically make it the wrong tool for the job. If a complete newby gets on a 990 and falls in the sand on his first trip through Namibia, does that make it the wrong tool for touring Namibia? No.  I'll hazard a guess and say that anyone who has trouble on the 690 doesn't have the skill to do the same terrain at pace with a small plastic anyway
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2015, 07:30:54 am
Yes, Dwerg, the 690 is a shock to most buyers because it is so capable off-road. The more capable off-road, the closer any D/S bikes get to a "plastic". Now, the 690 is far from being a plastic, but it is still much closer to it than any other real D/S bike.

However, when it comes to loading up for a 3week unsupported trip covering 5000kms, I would still go for my XT600E.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: TeeJay on June 30, 2015, 10:09:36 am
How do you guys get around packing luggage and being able to fill up with fuel (without having to unpack your luggage)? Must be a pain the arse.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Buff on June 30, 2015, 10:26:19 am
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

 :laughing4: Spoken like a true 690 convert, I'm proud of you Dan  ;) :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Buff on June 30, 2015, 10:27:26 am
How do you guys get around packing luggage and being able to fill up with fuel (without having to unpack your luggage)? Must be a pain the arse.

You buy yourself Giant Loop Coyote bags or similar  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: sidetrack on June 30, 2015, 11:45:47 am
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.
That is true and mostly likely why KTM will stop making the 690 this year as did all the other manufacturers in the dirt bike 650 class. There is no more husky 610's or XR650R. They are all gone, dead and buried. I can only assume there is more money to be made with all rounder (read road friendly) adventure bikes.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 01:56:47 pm
Conversely, just because the rider doesn't have the skill to ride the bike in certain conditions doesn't automatically make it the wrong tool for the job. If a complete newby gets on a 990 and falls in the sand on his first trip through Namibia, does that make it the wrong tool for touring Namibia? No.  I'll hazard a guess and say that anyone who has trouble on the 690 doesn't have the skill to do the same terrain at pace with a small plastic anyway
I have to disagree with your statement.

I managed to ride my Tenere up Penge without much fuss and can promise you that it was the wrong tool for the job. My friend could not get his D/S bike up the same pass but on his 610 and 525, he barely broke a sweat  :deal:

Big bikes and short legs results in lots of despair when you run out of traction and the simple truth is that more often than not, riders unintentionally find themselves breaking their expensive bikes while riding the wrong terrain, which leads to downsizing to smaller bikes for technical rides or bigger bikes for long distance adventures.

Where is the 690's niche?
Is it better at enduro/rocky climbs than a 450?
Is it better at doing 300km/s of dirt highways than a 990?
Is it better at 2 spoor than a KTM530?

The way I see it, in a race like Baja 1000, where you can pitch up with any displacement, the 450's are being used, simply because they are faster at doing 2 spoor, open dirt sections and rocky climbs.

So the 690 is not the "best" at anything but good at doing everything and sadly, it seems that most people are not content with "good" anymore.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: ETS on June 30, 2015, 02:25:41 pm
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

We true adventure riders only sleep in guest houses these days :3some: :3some:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: ROOI on June 30, 2015, 02:48:14 pm
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

We true adventure riders only sleep in guest houses these days :3some: :3some:

 :peepwall: I Heard camping is for refugees  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on June 30, 2015, 05:05:35 pm
How do you guys get around packing luggage and being able to fill up with fuel (without having to unpack your luggage)? Must be a pain the arse.

You buy yourself Giant Loop Coyote bags or similar  :thumleft:
this off a G450X, but you get the idea of the Giant loop Coyote giving access to the fuel filler...

Cheers
Chris & Team
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on June 30, 2015, 05:20:47 pm
Conversely, just because the rider doesn't have the skill to ride the bike in certain conditions doesn't automatically make it the wrong tool for the job. If a complete newby gets on a 990 and falls in the sand on his first trip through Namibia, does that make it the wrong tool for touring Namibia? No.  I'll hazard a guess and say that anyone who has trouble on the 690 doesn't have the skill to do the same terrain at pace with a small plastic anyway
I have to disagree with your statement.

I managed to ride my Tenere up Penge without much fuss and can promise you that it was the wrong tool for the job. My friend could not get his D/S bike up the same pass but on his 610 and 525, he barely broke a sweat  :deal:

Big bikes and short legs results in lots of despair when you run out of traction and the simple truth is that more often than not, riders unintentionally find themselves breaking their expensive bikes while riding the wrong terrain, which leads to downsizing to smaller bikes for technical rides or bigger bikes for long distance adventures.

Where is the 690's niche?
Is it better at enduro/rocky climbs than a 450?
Is it better at doing 300km/s of dirt highways than a 990?
Is it better at 2 spoor than a KTM530?

The way I see it, in a race like Baja 1000, where you can pitch up with any displacement, the 450's are being used, simply because they are faster at doing 2 spoor, open dirt sections and rocky climbs.

So the 690 is not the "best" at anything but good at doing everything and sadly, it seems that most people are not content with "good" anymore.
The 690s niche is that it can do everything and when the going gets tuff, you can still have fun. If you are only going to rate in absolutes, no bike will fit the bill
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: SchalkL on June 30, 2015, 05:38:41 pm
Must say I have a new respect for the 690 after watching the 5 video series of these guys. London to Sydney!
Only big problem they really had was the fuel pumps on both bikes but that was due to dirty petrol.

https://youtu.be/x3fDg7f2xPY (https://youtu.be/x3fDg7f2xPY)
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on June 30, 2015, 05:39:20 pm
I find it sad that the "one bike" mentality seems to be going out the window. Fair enough, a 690 (and most 650cc thumpers) are never going to be as good at anything as a bike more suited to the task, but we can't all own multiple bikes, and many people don't want to.

These bikes offer versatility to the off-road minded rider. Sure, you can do tweespoor better on a 450, or gravel highways better on a 990, or highway sections better on a 1290, and then gnarly bundu-bashing better on a 2t 300, but what if your trip includes all of that?

Somewhere you have to compromise, either in the routes you take or in the bike you ride. I'm still young and stubborn and I want to ride wherever I like without worrying whether or not my bike will make it, so the 690 is suited to me. But it seems it's truly a dying breed of motorcycle  :(
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 06:14:31 pm
Very good post.  :thumleft:

My only issue with the 690 is its price. I was not prepared to pay top dollar for an all-round compromise bike. Might as well just go the Ganjora route and buy an XRR for half the price.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: alanB on June 30, 2015, 06:31:21 pm
The real issue here is not the bike IMO.

I didnt buy the 690 when I had the chance, I went for the 610 instead, for various reasons.  But that was when we had two bikes of that type available - now there is only one, unless you buy second hand.

The real issue to me is actually social dynamics - strange as that may sound.

The simple fact is that the type of riding that a 690 is good for is very different to what most people do.  So if your mates all ride 990's or even worse, 1200's etc, then its going to be difficult to ride a 690 with them.

You wont be able to cruise at high speeds with them on tar - especially if they push it. 

Depending on how much skill they have, they might not be able to keep up with you in technical terrain.  And even if they have the skill, they just may tend to avoid the technical stuff because its a bit harder on a big bike.  So you are going to be constantly wanting to do different types of riding.

So unless you ride alone often, or are lucky enough to find mates that also share your taste in terrain and type of riding, its going to be difficult to own a 690, and the pressure is always going to be there to get a bigger bike simply because more people go that route.

Personally I think the 690 class of bike is exactly right - for my preferred type of riding.  There are a few things I would want to be different on a 690 specifically, but that's just details.

To me, all the other bikes (including the other 650 adventure bikes) are just too road orientated.  I want something that's derived from a racing enduro bike so that it handles well like a proper off road bike, but I do need to ride on roads - so it must be able to cruise at highway speeds for longish distances.

The 690 is the only bike sold currently that fits that description.  As I said, I just wish there were more choices in this class.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on June 30, 2015, 06:55:53 pm
Very good post.  :thumleft:

My only issue with the 690 is its price. I was not prepared to pay top dollar for an all-round compromise bike. Might as well just go the Ganjora route and buy an XRR for half the price.

That's the only reason I'm not riding one either. Unfortunately all the top-tier bikes in that class are hen's teeth now (XRR, 610) and are close to 690's in price, unless you get really lucky like Ganjora and that guy who bought a '05 610 for R30k on the forum a while back. I settled for a DR, which I consider to be overweight, underpowered and very lacking in the suspension department, but it's cheap as chips and reliable as stone and, for the moment at least, my abilities don't exceed those of the bike. Unfortunately I'll want more eventually, and then what?

The real issue here is not the bike IMO.

I didnt buy the 690 when I had the chance, I went for the 610 instead, for various reasons.  But that was when we had two bikes of that type available - now there is only one, unless you buy second hand.

The real issue to me is actually social dynamics - strange as that may sound.

The simple fact is that the type of riding that a 690 is good for is very different to what most people do.  So if your mates all ride 990's or even worse, 1200's etc, then its going to be difficult to ride a 690 with them.

You wont be able to cruise at high speeds with them on tar - especially if they push it. 

Depending on how much skill they have, they might not be able to keep up with you in technical terrain.  And even if they have the skill, they just may tend to avoid the technical stuff because its a bit harder on a big bike.  So you are going to be constantly wanting to do different types of riding.

So unless you ride alone often, or are lucky enough to find mates that also share your taste in terrain and type of riding, its going to be difficult to own a 690, and the pressure is always going to be there to get a bigger bike simply because more people go that route.

Personally I think the 690 class of bike is exactly right - for my preferred type of riding.  There are a few things I would want to be different on a 690 specifically, but that's just details.

To me, all the other bikes (including the other 650 adventure bikes) are just too road orientated.  I want something that's derived from a racing enduro bike so that it handles well like a proper off road bike, but I do need to ride on roads - so it must be able to cruise at highway speeds for longish distances.

The 690 is the only bike sold currently that fits that description.  As I said, I just wish there were more choices in this class.

Very good point. I wish all the manufacturers would produce more bikes like these, or maybe even toned-down 450's or 500's with longer service intervals, but the market just isn't there anymore for more technical dualsporting. It's all about the gravel highways on flying couches these days...
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 07:01:52 pm
I get your point made about social dynamics but it addresses the symptoms and not its cause, which is what I've been trying to identify.

What would it be like doing a Namibian trip on a stock 690? For starters, the stock tank doesn't allow enough range.
The straight seat and lack of wind protection means that cruising at anything over 110km/h for extended periods will be very uncomfortable.
Converting it into a more suitable bike ventures into the price range of purpose built dirt cruisers and will result in less than ideal handling with full tanks anyway.

And before you know it, all your buddies are either on 990's or 500's
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: boland on June 30, 2015, 07:03:02 pm
I find it sad that the "one bike" mentality seems to be going out the window. Fair enough, a 690 (and most 650cc thumpers) are never going to be as good at anything as a bike more suited to the task, but we can't all own multiple bikes, and many people don't want to.

These bikes offer versatility to the off-road minded rider. Sure, you can do tweespoor better on a 450, or gravel highways better on a 990, or highway sections better on a 1290, and then gnarly bundu-bashing better on a 2t 300, but what if your trip includes all of that?

Somewhere you have to compromise, either in the routes you take or in the bike you ride. I'm still young and stubborn and I want to ride wherever I like without worrying whether or not my bike will make it, so the 690 is suited to me. But it seems it's truly a dying breed of motorcycle  :(

Agree completely.

I hope there is still a lot of 690s for sale in a year or so, then I can pick up a '12/'13 with 2k kms on it and keep it forever.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 07:13:15 pm
Can always buy a well used xrr and redo its top end.
Their bottom ends are indestructible
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2015, 07:19:24 pm
Can always buy a well used xrr and redo its top end.
Their bottom ends are indestructible

And redo the suspension, and the brakes.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: XRRX on June 30, 2015, 07:32:32 pm
Can always buy a well used xrr and redo its top end.
Their bottom ends are indestructible

+1  And then it will still outlast 5 new 690's !!!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: boland on June 30, 2015, 07:36:29 pm
Can always buy a well used xrr and redo its top end.
Their bottom ends are indestructible

And redo the suspension, and the brakes.

That's the problem. After sinking R10k into my DR650 I realized it will never be a 690. Even after upgrading suspension etc. I know the XRR is awesome and a lot better than a DR, but cant see it coming close to 690 for much less money.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on June 30, 2015, 08:02:11 pm
As a new 690 owner I find this a very good read. Many good opinions and points floating around.

The 690 is a beast of a machine, and as a choice animal, it is awesome in many respects. Like most bike owners would vouch for their own bikes, regardless of make, engine size or model, I'm sure most 690 riders would for theirs'. Despite any shortcomings it does a lot of things very good.

On paper, specs and figures only tell so much. Get on one and you'll know what the smile is all about..   
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Blender on June 30, 2015, 08:15:18 pm
As a new 690 owner I find this a very good read. Many good opinions and points floating around.

The 690 is a beast of a machine, and as a choice animal, it is awesome in many respects. Like most bike owners would vouch for their own bikes, regardless of make, engine size or model, I'm sure most 690 riders would for theirs'. Despite any shortcomings it does a lot of things very good.

On paper, specs and figures only tell so much. Get on one and you'll know what the smile is all about..   

+1 000 000 000  :thumleft:

I've owned a couple of bikes, some I'm proud to say, I've owned, others not so much...

The 690 is one of those bikes that you ride, and forget anything else exists.
Get off it, and you start thinking "I'd like another bike to do this and that... whatever!" You test ride... get back on the 690 and realize it's in another class!

True, there are negatives and maintenance is not the best, but smiles per miles cannot be beaten on this bike!

Mine has got 63000 on the clock, I've spent quite a bit in maintenance in the last 5000km, but well worth it compared to trading it and getting something newer.
Especially considering it's a thumper and things are not as smooth as on twins, etc.
I'll gladly spend the same amount again in the next 60000 just to continue riding this awesome bike!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 08:37:56 pm
I think that the gray zone in which the 690 enduro operates is more pronounced than with your SMC, don't you think?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2015, 08:48:11 pm
I think that the gray zone in which the 690 enduro operates is more pronounced than with your SMC, don't you think?

If the 690 operates in a gray zone, then 990/1200's and MX bikes operate in black zones? :imaposer:

What I like about the 690, and my XT600E, is that I can travel a 100kms, and then do the Road to hell. No grey zone here, fun zone yes.
The 990/1200's will handle that 1000kms better, but CANNOT do the Hellroad. The MX bikes can do the Hellroad, but it would be hell to get there.

This is the big thing about the 600cc class bikes for me, it sets you free to really do what you want on a trip. This is also why the 2-bike policy does not work, 990/1200's great
on long trip, but very tech and you have to by-pass, while your lighter 2nd bike is far away in your garage at home.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: WildWood on June 30, 2015, 09:17:16 pm
We at WildWood do regular tours up to the Orange River on 690's , and the distance is never a problem. Carrying an extra fuel cell 5 liters sorts the fuel problem and when we get to the sandy river tracks and Richtersveld 4x4 goat tracks we can go where the big bikes will never dare. I kept my 990S for a while after buying the 690 but landed up never riding it and sold it.

The 690is the best bike I've owned in my fifty odd years , without doubt, but I also understand why it's to sharp a tool for most riders. It is a riders bike and not for the lifestyle rider group. You have to make up your mind if you want comfort or handling, because you can't have both. If you want gizmo's or lightweight. If you travel with the kitchen sink or a leatherman.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on June 30, 2015, 10:49:47 pm
Hmmm food for thought
Thanks
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on June 30, 2015, 11:31:45 pm
Some posts here really sums it up well.
I can see the truth in the statement that to some the travel of 1000km to get to somewhere because others won't want to take the 700km Road as it may be too rough on big bikes, and the won't want to do the 700km on a 650 or under class bike either.

The one bunch likes touring but not technical the other bunch likes technical but don't want to tour.
so yeah,  getting a 690 makes sense if you compromise everywhere and I think that's what Wolf Skaap is saying as well.  I don't mean this "compromise"  in a negative way. If you want a bike that you an go with both bunch of mates,  the 690 is going to be the one,  but each group of mates are going to wait for you.
For mere mortals and riding skills being more or less equal.... the guys on the 450's waits for you int the technical stuff but don't really want to do tar,  and the  ones on 1200's waits for you on the long haul tar and don't want to go ride technical.




Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Ganjora on July 01, 2015, 06:03:01 am
the 690 is the very best bike ever made in the big thumper class.
i agree with 2SD in that it is too much bike for most people,  and that most 'adventure riders' have gone soft.
wind protection,  hard seat etc...
it is an expensive bike,  but you get a lot of bike for your money.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on July 01, 2015, 07:10:42 am
The one bunch likes touring but not technical the other bunch likes technical but don't want to tour.
so yeah,  getting a 690 makes sense if you compromise everywhere and I think that's what Wolf Skaap is saying as well.  I don't mean this "compromise"  in a negative way. If you want a bike that you an go with both bunch of mates,  the 690 is going to be the one,  but each group of mates are going to wait for you.
For mere mortals and riding skills being more or less equal.... the guys on the 450's waits for you int the technical stuff but don't really want to do tar,  and the  ones on 1200's waits for you on the long haul tar and don't want to go ride technical.
Exactly  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 01, 2015, 07:20:56 am
Some posts here really sums it up well.
I can see the truth in the statement that to some the travel of 1000km to get to somewhere because others won't want to take the 700km Road as it may be too rough on big bikes, and the won't want to do the 700km on a 650 or under class bike either.

The one bunch likes touring but not technical the other bunch likes technical but don't want to tour.
so yeah,  getting a 690 makes sense if you compromise everywhere and I think that's what Wolf Skaap is saying as well.  I don't mean this "compromise"  in a negative way. If you want a bike that you an go with both bunch of mates,  the 690 is going to be the one,  but each group of mates are going to wait for you.
For mere mortals and riding skills being more or less equal.... the guys on the 450's waits for you int the technical stuff but don't really want to do tar,  and the  ones on 1200's waits for you on the long haul tar and don't want to go ride technical.






This is why you very seldom, if ever, see a Harley Davidson riding with a superbike group.

If you are a group rider, then compromise and fit in with what the group rides. This makes sense, because to try and cover a 1000kays on 1200's, and then having to
accomodate a 600cc bike is not good. Unless you obey the law and do not exceed the national speed limit, then any 600 class bike will easily keep up. ;D
Of course, who obeys the law? :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on July 01, 2015, 07:28:32 am
Good point.
Now if only we can get the cagers and trucks to also obey the speed limits then we are all good to go and we can all go for the 650 Thumper,  hell why stop there when a 450 can go 120kph and do even better on the dirt.

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on July 01, 2015, 11:09:47 pm
the 690 is the very best bike ever made in the big thumper class.


That's quite a bold statement, especially coming from an XRR owner. I don't want to stir a big debate (or maybe I do) but do you think the 690 is the "pinnacle" of the big thumper class of bikes? I know you rode a DR for a long time; do you think the 690 is the same type of bike but better, or has it become a different type of bike completely?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: WildWood on July 01, 2015, 11:48:23 pm
For starts the 690 is not a thumper. It's a short stroke high revving performance type motor , v a long lazy stroke of a thumper.
Even though I love the 690 I still believe the thumpers ( DR, XT, XR ) make better adventure tourers. I think the DR650 is the best all round adventure/ dual sport around and it's a travesty we can't get them anymore. I noted the 2016 has been unveiled in the USA with huge changes. A new color grey.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2015, 06:45:59 am
For starts the 690 is not a thumper. It's a short stroke high revving performance type motor , v a long lazy stroke of a thumper.

my understanding is that a thumper is a large bore,  single cylinder,  4 stroke.

the 690 is the very best bike ever made in the big thumper class.


That's quite a bold statement, especially coming from an XRR owner. I don't want to stir a big debate (or maybe I do) but do you think the 690 is the "pinnacle" of the big thumper class of bikes? I know you rode a DR for a long time; do you think the 690 is the same type of bike but better, or has it become a different type of bike completely?

i do think the 690 is the pinnacle.
imo the KLR,  DR,  XT,  XR & 690are all essentially the same type of bike: big bore,  single cylinder,  DS bike.
until the 690,  the XRR was the boss.
as much as i like my XRR,  i think the 690 is a superior bike:  better suspension,  better performance,  better fuel economy,  bigger service intervals.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on July 02, 2015, 07:34:44 am
Bigger service intervals means nothing if its not nearly as reliable an the xrr.
The concept of a thumper is a long stroke single, not big bore single.

Example is the 2003 YZ450 vs the later models. The 2003 model still made over 50hp but did so at muuuch lower revvs , meaning its longer stroke made it much less of a screamer and more of a thumper.By contrast, my 2010 YZ started making its power long after the 2003 YZ singed off.
2010 has a bigger bore, shorter stroke.

690 is a screamer, compared to DR/XR.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2015, 07:37:17 am
The 690 has taken bike of the year. Have you guys heard?

This will settle all argument.





Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2015, 07:43:39 am
Bigger service intervals means nothing if its not nearly as reliable an the xrr.
The concept of a thumper is a long stroke single, not big bore single.

Example is the 2003 YZ450 vs the later models. The 2003 model still made over 50hp but did so at muuuch lower revvs , meaning its longer stroke made it much less of a screamer and more of a thumper.

690 is a screamer, compared to DR/XR.

The 690 revs out at about 8000rpm, which is really not much of a screamer, the XR-R will do in the same region. The XR-L and DR's will top out at around 6000rpm.

The term "Thumper" originates from the sound a certain engine makes. Only a biggish bore, slowish-revving 4stroke single can pass you going doef-doef doef while being entirely happy at those revs.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: jaybiker on July 02, 2015, 08:19:27 am
The virtue of a long stroke engine is it's doef-doef engine note, if this what you like, and that's all.
It does not produce greater torque due to the length of the stroke, that's a fallacy. Nor will it be any more reliable or require any less servicing.
Fact is, it will tend to be higher stressed than its shorter stroke counterpart due to the piston speed at mid stroke being higher for any given RPM, and the thrust loading between piston and bore being higher. Also the inertia loading on the conrod is higher at the top and bottom of the stroke. The power and torque characteristics of the engine are more dependent on things like compression ratio, valve timing, and inlet port size, than bore/stroke ratio.

Oh, and BTW, Rotax also make a pretty good 652cc single. It's bore is greater than the stroke, but it can still go doef-doef. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: boland on July 02, 2015, 08:35:53 am
Bigger service intervals means nothing if its not nearly as reliable an the xrr.
The concept of a thumper is a long stroke single, not big bore single.

Example is the 2003 YZ450 vs the later models. The 2003 model still made over 50hp but did so at muuuch lower revvs , meaning its longer stroke made it much less of a screamer and more of a thumper.By contrast, my 2010 YZ started making its power long after the 2003 YZ singed off.
2010 has a bigger bore, shorter stroke.

690 is a screamer, compared to DR/XR.

I'm not going to debate reliability, but I think you must take into account how 690's that break was ridden.

My bike is currently on 42 000 km, has only had it services every 10k and is still in perfect condition.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 09:22:09 am
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on July 02, 2015, 09:37:42 am
For starts the 690 is not a thumper. It's a short stroke high revving performance type motor , v a long lazy stroke of a thumper.

my understanding is that a thumper is a large bore,  single cylinder,  4 stroke.

the 690 is the very best bike ever made in the big thumper class.


That's quite a bold statement, especially coming from an XRR owner. I don't want to stir a big debate (or maybe I do) but do you think the 690 is the "pinnacle" of the big thumper class of bikes? I know you rode a DR for a long time; do you think the 690 is the same type of bike but better, or has it become a different type of bike completely?

i do think the 690 is the pinnacle.
imo the KLR,  DR,  XT,  XR & 690are all essentially the same type of bike: big bore,  single cylinder,  DS bike.
until the 690,  the XRR was the boss.
as much as i like my XRR,  i think the 690 is a superior bike:  better suspension,  better performance,  better fuel economy,  bigger service intervals.

That's what I've been thinking too, but I can't speak from experience on the matter. I love my DR and will ride it for a long time, but if it comes time to upgrade (and it will), I will probably end up getting a 690.

But does the 690 put hair on your chest like an XRR?  >:D
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2015, 09:50:20 am
That's what I've been thinking too, but I can't speak from experience on the matter. I love my DR and will ride it for a long time, but if it comes time to upgrade (and it will), I will probably end up getting a 690.

But does the 690 put hair on your chest like an XRR?  >:D

you will love the 690,  and regret not having bought one sooner.
the XRR is something different: the legend.
maybe in time the 690 will steal that crown...
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Buddy on July 02, 2015, 10:20:59 am
6 pages of furiously defending the KTM 690..... My word! This is getting like a BMW site  :pot:  >:D
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on July 02, 2015, 11:21:16 am
6 pages of furiously defending the KTM 690..... My word! This is getting like a BMW site  :pot:  >:D
Well I can see why.
Depending on how it gets utilized, it really is an awesome bike.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2015, 11:22:56 am
6 pages of furiously defending the KTM 690..... My word! This is getting like a BMW site  :pot:  >:D

Without the recalls.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: SchalkL on July 02, 2015, 12:29:37 pm
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.
Note to myself: Don't buy this bike when it comes up for sale................................... >:D
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 12:48:23 pm
Not selling, its a fully sorted rallye bike.  Why would one?
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: wolf skaap on July 02, 2015, 12:58:07 pm
Remember that we are comparing it to the xrr, not an Amageza 450
Wager a guess how many baja 1000 pre-runs and events JCR did on a single XRR motor?

Reliability wise, they are chalk and cheese
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rafiki on July 02, 2015, 01:15:53 pm
One thing I've noticed, is that most new 690 owners believe they're Dakar material. You fit the rally fairing, do a few pushups and there you go. The Amageza soon helps with this misconception.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Omninorm on July 02, 2015, 01:36:57 pm
6 pages of furiously defending the KTM 690..... My word! This is getting like a BMW site  :pot:  >:D

Without the recalls.

yeah the owners have to fix it themselves.
;)
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on July 02, 2015, 01:38:27 pm
One thing I've noticed, is that most new 690 owners believe they're Dakar material. You fit the rally fairing, do a few pushups and there you go. The Amageza soon helps with this misconception.

It's tough enough just to get to the starting line of Amageza. I respect every single person who gets that far  :deal:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 02:20:15 pm
One thing I've noticed, is that most new 690 owners believe they're Dakar material. You fit the rally fairing, do a few pushups and there you go. The Amageza soon helps with this misconception.

You obviously speak out of experience.  There is no beating that.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rafiki on July 02, 2015, 02:27:55 pm
Unfortunately not. Only a observation, that seems to hit home.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 02:34:08 pm
Unfortunately not. Only a observation, that seems to hit home.

Amageza is 7 days this year.  There is only 1 rallye that is longer.  There is still some time for you to enter.  Then there will be no need for misconceptions.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rafiki on July 02, 2015, 02:58:16 pm
Unfortunately not. Only a observation, that seems to hit home.

Amageza is 7 days this year.  There is only 1 rallye that is longer.  There is still some time for you to enter.  Then there will be no need for misconceptions.


No misconception this side. Good luck to yourself and the rest of 690 dakar tigers. Have fun!

Back to the topic: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale???
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 03:08:33 pm
Mmm
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Dwerg on July 02, 2015, 03:13:33 pm
I am probably the type he's refering to. I did a few pushups before Amageza and rode with a hangover on most days. I like to believe I can do dakar too but before that I'd probably do a few sit ups as well. So he does have a point  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: boland on July 02, 2015, 03:29:27 pm
Some very honest and open debate here until someone with a 1200 GS got involved :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:









Disclaimer: This is a joke
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Rafiki on July 02, 2015, 03:32:26 pm
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Kelevra on July 02, 2015, 03:40:27 pm
I am probably the type he's refering to. I did a few pushups before Amageza and rode with a hangover on most days. I like to believe I can do dakar too but before that I'd probably do a few sit ups as well. So he does have a point  :imaposer:

Respect, I did a race once on a 530 with a moerse hangover. It was in 40+ degree heat, that was the first and last time, its very hard cleaning puke out of a helmet..  :lol8:

Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2015, 05:46:05 pm
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.

You have done 12000kms, it could be just a tad early to talk about stone-ax reliability.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Cracker on July 02, 2015, 05:48:08 pm
I am probably the type he's refering to. I did a few pushups before Amageza and rode with a hangover on most days. I like to believe I can do dakar too but before that I'd probably do a few sit ups as well. So he does have a point  :imaposer:

Respect, I did a race once on a 530 with a moerse hangover. It was in 40+ degree heat, that was the first and last time, its very hard cleaning puke out of a helmet..  :lol8:



I remember lying under a trailer once, hiding from the sun, during a riders briefing - jeez, I felt kak - did one loop of an enduro that took me the whole day ..............never again!!!

If you don't drink on the Amageza, then you gotta race - drinking is easier

If I'd had a 690, though - it would have been different  >:D
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Acajou on July 02, 2015, 07:20:15 pm
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.

You have done 12000kms, it could be just a tad early to talk about stone-ax reliability.

But is it better than a Yamaha?  :pot:
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 02, 2015, 07:43:25 pm
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.

You have done 12000kms, it could be just a tad early to talk about stone-ax reliability.

I hear you.  The point is it has never done commuting duty or touring.  Just about every km was either racing or associated with racing.  And while I have seen guys on 990s tour faster that I race, racing brings unique stresses, and with Amageza, lack of daily maintenance, due to coming in way after dark or through being either to tired or damaged to care.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2015, 07:37:37 am
My 690 only comes out the month or so before Amageza.  The 12 000 odd km was essentially either Amageza or training/set-up runs.  I don't change the oil midway through the race and change the air filter after 3 - 4 days.  I've drowned it twice during big water crossings.  Still runs like a top.  Its essentially stone-axe reliable.

I'm expecting to be able to rent this bike out as an Amageza bike for at least 3 more years after this year's event before I need to look at rebuilding the motor.

Not many bikes that will do that.

You have done 12000kms, it could be just a tad early to talk about stone-ax reliability.

But is it better than a Yamaha?  :pot:

 :imaposer:, well, in a manner of speaking, yes it is better than a Yamaha, but only in as much that you cannot buy a Yamaha in the 690's class of bike. If Yamaha had a WR650-ish bike, I would not be on a 690.
Title: Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
Post by: Cracker on July 03, 2015, 07:57:00 am
I think you're right there - that would put a whole lot more 690s on the market  ;D