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Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye - Buildup Thread
Post by: Camelman on January 05, 2015, 11:37:37 pm
The 2015 Amageza Rallye is a GO for launch!

If you can't wait and want to enter NOW, please click on this link: http://www.amageza.com/#!enter-menu/c1sl8 (http://www.amageza.com/#!enter-menu/c1sl8), then click on the button above the Motorbike.

Whats changed from last year:

Off the top of my head, that's it. Full information available on the website.

Thanks, and as normal, if you have a question, drop me a email from the website. If I need to tell you something urgent, I'll do it via the shop, so make sure you are registered there.  :thumleft:

Finally: We don't have the manpower to post on all the forums. So please, if you need a answer, email us via the website. We cannot answer all the posts.  :3some:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Andy660 on January 05, 2015, 11:50:20 pm
I cant wait , Route looks awesome Alexander !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: N[]vA on January 06, 2015, 12:07:09 am
Im in if you need drone crew
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: AntonW on January 06, 2015, 12:29:49 am
Make sure you have a passport :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Hingsding on January 06, 2015, 06:09:16 am
Good timing Alex....since all of us got Dakarfever at the moment. :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2015, 06:36:54 am
Make sure you have a passport :)

And a license  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2015, 06:45:57 am
Awesome. Not sure I'm liking the idea of cars but I suppose that's inevitable if you want to grow the event
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Pistonpete on January 06, 2015, 07:18:15 am
There will be sand!  ;D

Great starting point...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2015, 07:38:06 am
and then there will be sand  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: IDR on January 06, 2015, 07:50:59 am
...we are likely to use the ERTF / Sentinal system for timing and tracking this year...

How does this work in Dakar - does the organisation provide the units?

Edit: And doesn't the ERTF and Sentinel combination replace GPS, ODO and CAP repeater?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: T9ER on January 06, 2015, 08:52:40 am
I'm in for sure.  :thumleft: Now I just have to avoid cows for the next 8 months!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 06, 2015, 09:11:02 am
How does this work in Dakar - does the organisation provide the units?
Edit: And doesn't the ERTF and Sentinel combination replace GPS, ODO and CAP repeater?

 :thumleft:  The ERTF will provide you with waypoints (some will only be shown when you are within a specified radius of the waypoint). It will also tell you when you are exceeding a speed limit (high pitched alarm)... and if you don't reduce speed within a few seconds, the system will log the relevant penalties.
It will record your track realtime and provide the organisation with your total stage time & penalties (if any) as you stop at the stage check point.

The Sentinel provides an alarm when another competitor comes close to you, and also allows for satellite communication from the bike/vehicle to the organisation (If you run out of biltong during a special stage, & need to order a delivery  :eek7: ). There's some super high-tech functions like g-force meters... so Amageza HQ will know if you come to a sudden stop... (T9ER, you must fit a cow proximity alarm  >:D )

IDR, we're negotiating a deal to rent these units... so that we cam provide to each competitor.
You will need to purchase a mounting bracket (which is not super expensive - we'll point you in the right direction) and provide a power point at the bracket.   ...But lets get to this when the ERTF & Sentinel negotiation has been done  ;D

You'll still need your ICO and CAP device (as far as I know) for rally navigation.   :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2015, 09:19:12 am
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 06, 2015, 09:21:37 am
Perfect timing with Dakar fever in full flight! Can't wait... :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2015, 09:22:08 am
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself

I was reading the Dakar cost somewhere and it was horrific with only a fraction of the deposit refundable.  ::)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 06, 2015, 09:31:47 am
That route looks like it has a lot of potential! 3 border crossings not ideal, but luckily those countries are easy to get in and out of (and not too expensive).

Also, 7 days! That is awesome.

Wont make it this year though, but will follow closely!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: gser on January 06, 2015, 09:37:00 am
 . . .and road tax for Bot and Nam, TIPs (Temporary Import Permit), registered road legal vehicle, proof of ownership/letter of usage by bank, etc, all to be paid in cash. Rider/driver license, visas for whom it applies.
Take a writing pen with to complete the paper work.
This above is required for normal border crossings.( as per 2014 crossings)
It will be a good idea if Amageza organizers does all this through a "border agent" for everybody involved.
It could be that in some cases, visas should be applied for, before the event.
I trust all these issues will be addressed by the Amageza organizers at a later stage.
Yippy! here we go !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2015, 09:47:27 am
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself

I was reading the Dakar cost somewhere and it was horrific with only a fraction of the deposit refundable.  ::)

Alex is negotiating costs. Watch this space.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: weskus on January 06, 2015, 09:58:16 am
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: cocky on January 06, 2015, 10:02:45 am
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:
Kyk hier hier Kleinhande, gaan jy ry of spot?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Rickus on January 06, 2015, 10:08:16 am
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on January 06, 2015, 01:14:48 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: ChrisMann on January 06, 2015, 01:18:33 pm
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....

Jong, sal jy regkom innie sand?  >:D

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: wayneh on January 06, 2015, 01:20:30 pm
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself
I was reading the Dakar cost somewhere and it was horrific with only a fraction of the deposit refundable.  ::)

The cost of the rental has already been included in the entry fee... what we are negotiating is the requirement of a deposit (or how much).
So don't worry.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2015, 01:26:15 pm
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself
I was reading the Dakar cost somewhere and it was horrific with only a fraction of the deposit refundable.  ::)

The cost of the rental has already been included in the entry fee... what we are negotiating is the requirement of a deposit (or how much).
So don't worry.

Well that's awesome news. Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2015, 01:55:37 pm
Any idea of cost? Don't want to get my early entry in for discount just to find out that renting the sentinal will cost as much as the race entry itself
I was reading the Dakar cost somewhere and it was horrific with only a fraction of the deposit refundable.  ::)

The cost of the rental has already been included in the entry fee... what we are negotiating is the requirement of a deposit (or how much).
So don't worry.

You mean to cover two Dakar tickets?  :lol8: :peep wall:

Jokes - good news and great to have top technology.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Rickus on January 06, 2015, 02:02:26 pm
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....

Jong, sal jy regkom innie sand?  >:D



Daar is mos nog baie tyd om oor my vrees vir sand te kom... :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 06, 2015, 02:18:11 pm
Go Go Go...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Swart Gevaar on January 06, 2015, 02:32:10 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on January 06, 2015, 02:51:35 pm
Guys.

If there is a requirement for a deposit, this will be means of a credit-card authorization for the amount, with a expiry date. So if you return their equipment in a satisfactory condition, then the hold will expire and your money is free again. Similar to car rental.

I am still in Argentina, flying home this evening. So once again thanks to the guys who donated their tracker deposit towards getting me here. You will notice the difference in this year's Amageza Rallye.

Once again, do not let these keyboard warriors talk you scared. If you search some of their nicks you will see a steady stream of excuses for not entering the Amageza starting in 2011.

Some guys can type faster than they can ride. Just how it is, being a open forum and all!  :lamer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on January 06, 2015, 02:55:18 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: StuartC on January 06, 2015, 03:06:56 pm

Payment Count   Full Fee   Discounted Fee   Discount Expiry Date
Payment #1   R   7,000.00   R   6,300.00   28 February 2015
Payment #2   R   7,000.00   R   6,300.00   30 April 2015
Payment #3   R   7,000.00   R   6,300.00   30 June 2015
Totals   R 21,000.00   R 18,900.00   ------------------------------

Am I right, the cost of entry is 21k or am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on January 06, 2015, 03:51:44 pm
Yep, 21k + support entry or malle moto entry :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 06, 2015, 04:01:19 pm
A little something to tease the tastebuds  ;)

Amageza 2014 Scrutineering & Prologue
https://www.youtube.com/v/BE1BtslZec4

Amageza 2014 Stage 1 Special
https://www.youtube.com/v/tlbG5VU9c0E




...... you know you wanna  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: weskus on January 06, 2015, 04:06:07 pm
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....

Jong, sal jy regkom innie sand?  >:D


Ai manne, ek sal nie daai 21 lappe kan bybring nie, julle weet mos dit stop nie daar nie, man kan ten minste nog 1.5 maal daai bysit, sal nie eers werk vir my nie.. :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on January 06, 2015, 04:16:45 pm
Awesome, awesome videos!!! Really enjoyed that  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 06, 2015, 04:20:28 pm
Awesome, awesome videos!!! Really enjoyed that  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Cheers, more to come
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Rickus on January 06, 2015, 05:17:13 pm
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....

Jong, sal jy regkom innie sand?  >:D


Ai manne, ek sal nie daai 21 lappe kan bybring nie, julle weet mos dit stop nie daar nie, man kan ten minste nog 1.5 maal daai bysit, sal nie eers werk vir my nie.. :deal:

Ja ons verstaan....troue, honeymoon ens ne ? :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: StuartC on January 06, 2015, 07:39:04 pm
Yep, 21k + support entry or malle moto entry :thumleft:
For 21k I want four teazers girls to look after me every night for the event
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on January 06, 2015, 07:46:15 pm
Awesome, awesome videos!!! Really enjoyed that  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Cheers, more to come

Jan, that 2nd vid made me laugh. You got a small bite of me shaking my head at that 'little' dune under the water dam.

I remember that now, like it was this morning - I wasn't shaking my head coz of the difficulty, i was shaking it to warn you to stay away from me!!!!

I was ready to murder somebody for all the shit I'd been through that day and you were getting way too close with that camera - luckily you didn't record the filth coming out my mouth ..............................  I hope  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 07, 2015, 08:22:28 am
Awesome, awesome videos!!! Really enjoyed that  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Cheers, more to come

Jan, that 2nd vid made me laugh. You got a small bite of me shaking my head at that 'little' dune under the water dam.

I remember that now, like it was this morning - I wasn't shaking my head coz of the difficulty, i was shaking it to warn you to stay away from me!!!!

I was ready to murder somebody for all the shit I'd been through that day and you were getting way too close with that camera - luckily you didn't record the filth coming out my mouth ..............................  I hope  :thumleft:
hahaha!

Yea your body language said to stay away ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Scooterbike on January 07, 2015, 09:52:32 am
. . .and road tax for Bot and Nam, TIPs (Temporary Import Permit), registered road legal vehicle, proof of ownership/letter of usage by bank, etc, all to be paid in cash. Rider/driver license, visas for whom it applies.
Take a writing pen with to complete the paper work.
This above is required for normal border crossings.( as per 2014 crossings)
It will be a good idea if Amageza organizers does all this through a "border agent" for everybody involved.
It could be that in some cases, visas should be applied for, before the event.
I trust all these issues will be addressed by the Amageza organizers at a later stage.
Yippy! here we go !

yes above will have to be fast tracked, riders and support cannot spend hours queuing. How does it work at the Dakar with border crossings?

Not to be negative, but I am concerned about riding with the cars. How will the logistics work? refer 2 days ago when Sainz crashed into a rider, Dakar stage 2, rider now in hospital...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 07, 2015, 11:24:08 am

 Alex (+team) is a "observer/s" at the DAKAR.
 I'm sure, as I know, observed and experience at Amageza 014, a lot of issues towards Amageza 015
 will be addressed from what is learned from their "visit" there and applied/adopted/tailored for future
  rally raid type races in southern Africa.
 Good luck with you mission Alex.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: Minxy on January 07, 2015, 12:14:14 pm
. . .and road tax for Bot and Nam, TIPs (Temporary Import Permit), registered road legal vehicle, proof of ownership/letter of usage by bank, etc, all to be paid in cash. Rider/driver license, visas for whom it applies.
Take a writing pen with to complete the paper work.
This above is required for normal border crossings.( as per 2014 crossings)
It will be a good idea if Amageza organizers does all this through a "border agent" for everybody involved.
It could be that in some cases, visas should be applied for, before the event.
I trust all these issues will be addressed by the Amageza organizers at a later stage.
Yippy! here we go !

yes above will have to be fast tracked, riders and support cannot spend hours queuing. How does it work at the Dakar with border crossings?

Not to be negative, but I am concerned about riding with the cars. How will the logistics work? refer 2 days ago when Sainz crashed into a rider, Dakar stage 2, rider now in hospital...


I'm also concerned about the cars. Either the bikes or the cars will have to start much earlier / later. It's really scary to even think you could get plowed down by a car moving at racing speed :(
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 07, 2015, 03:18:13 pm

 Minxy, a warning for passing device is fitted on all race vehicles for the Dakar.
There is a abbreviation/name for this device.
Can somebody fill me in what it is called.
It could be made a requirement to fit such a ? warning item for Amageza 015.
It works on a radio sender-receiver, ect. warning light and audio/noise, satellite recording time/location option when activated when eg. pressing the hooter/honker on your flying G450X, the vehicle you want to pass, receives the warning, it should make way for you to pass.
In a racing situation, I heard, that if one is not watching ones rear and the warning light and the busser/alarm goes off , dan is dit groot skrik.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2015, 03:21:50 pm
Sentinel.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 07, 2015, 03:26:15 pm
 There you have it Minxy.
Thanks BIG Dom
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2015, 03:27:10 pm
Sentinel = is a safety system fitted to all Dakar racing vehicles. It enables to warn the competitors on the following cases:
The vehicle behind wants to overtake: when the driver of a car or truck presses on the push-button control, a signal is transmitted to the competing bike/quad/car/truck that he wants to overtake (range: 150 meters). The driver about to be overtaken receives an audible warning.
Accident warning alarm: if a vehicle represents a danger to competitors arriving on the sport (concealed behind a dune, rollover after turn), the pilot must press the two alarm buttons on his Sentinel. Then coming competitors are thus informed by an Audible Buzzer plus a Flashing Light.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2015, 04:39:28 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on January 07, 2015, 05:06:14 pm
I agree it is expensive - mostly because it is very expensive to organise and put everything together

BUT

I can also guarantee you that it is the cheapest pukka proper rally in the world

A lot of the expenses you list are one offs that can be used again - so the more you use it the cheaper it becomes
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: charliepappa on January 07, 2015, 05:07:47 pm
Sub  :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: StuartC on January 07, 2015, 05:56:22 pm
I have been involved in racing for upwards of 30 years,, take that 59k estimate and double it!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2015, 06:06:10 pm
I have been involved in racing for upwards of 30 years,, take that 59k estimate and double it!
Eish... this seems too rich for my blood. Gonna have to see how much I can squeeze the budget.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on January 07, 2015, 06:19:06 pm
I agree it is expensive - mostly because it is very expensive to organise and put everything together
BUT
I can also guarantee you that it is the cheapest pukka proper rally in the world

Ja, I understand the expensive nature of it and believe that it is still very cheap compared to other similar events. But it seems to be growing increasingly more expensive. There were murmurs last year about the costs already. Adding all these extras like professional electronic tracking makes it more expensive. Next we'll have 5 helicopters with full-time camera crew, two bivouac teams etc?

Eish, is there no more interest in the formats of the previous Amagezas? Those weren't pukka enough?

A lot of the expenses you list are one offs that can be used again - so the more you use it the cheaper it becomes

I hear you, but I'm not sure this is necessarily true. Looking at that list, entrance fees, tyres and fuel are big ticket items that are not reusable. The reusable roadbook and electronics represent only maybe 20% of the initial cost. The other 80% is running expense. Even if I had a fully-prepped bike, it would still cost me at least R40k.



Anyway, I feel this discussion turning sour. It's not my intention to come across as negative. I'm really really eager to participate in one of these events.  :ricky: 

This is an appeal to the organisers :hello: to not forget about us poor amateurs, and not go balls-to-the-wall. Or is the intention to turn the Amageza into a copy: "South African Dakar Rally".
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 07, 2015, 06:26:54 pm
I have been involved in racing for upwards of 30 years,, take that 59k estimate and double it!
if you are not starting out from scratcha nd you are handy then 60k seems doable
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 07, 2015, 06:29:16 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
 Yes
roadbook holder3800
Can be as little as R40
radio1000
Yes
handlebar switches2500
No
One RNS/ICO5000
Possibly, there's much lower tech avail
tyres&tubes5000
No way required. I've done 2 using only a new front and rear each time.  Surely you have tubes?
fuel3360
About that
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Why? Unless you are 2 that can share
Oil service1000
Nuts
46160

 

Don't try to talk yourself out of it, talk yourself into it.  Have you seen the route? Spergebied in Nam on a bike! I've decided not to get a shoulder op so that I can ride again this year.  Spergebied!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on January 07, 2015, 06:38:41 pm
I was looking forward to the next Amageza instalment but I'm not gonna do it - I can't justify MY OWN extra costs for 2 more days. It's a pity because I enjoyed it last year as a beginner.

I understand Alex and co want to build a big rally with all the bells and whistles - and good luck to them - but that's not what I'm after.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: StuartC on January 07, 2015, 06:41:23 pm
I have been involved in racing for upwards of 30 years,, take that 59k estimate and double it!
if you are not starting out from scratcha nd you are handy then 60k seems doable
It cost's me 10k to do a national and thats with sponsors paying a lot of the bills
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on January 07, 2015, 07:19:58 pm
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Lekkkerrrrrrr!!!


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 07, 2015, 08:43:20 pm
Wont make it this year though, but will follow closely!

shizer! That means I will have the ugliest bike in the Amageza 2015!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: darthvader on January 07, 2015, 08:46:02 pm
Deur die Spergebiet, daai lyk na besigheid... Dunes,dunes,dunes.. :drif:

nou hoe nou ?...gat mens nie maar try nie?....

Jong, sal jy regkom innie sand?  >:D


Ai manne, ek sal nie daai 21 lappe kan bybring nie, julle weet mos dit stop nie daar nie, man kan ten minste nog 1.5 maal daai bysit, sal nie eers werk vir my nie.. :deal:

As jy nou net hin sponsor gehad het!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye: Entries Open
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 07, 2015, 08:55:51 pm
Wont make it this year though, but will follow closely!

shizer! That means I will have the ugliest bike in the Amageza 2015!

Jou ma man!   :laughing4:

I'm working on a 10% plan. But then I will def bring the ugliest bike, the TTR is sold.

What are you bringing?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on January 07, 2015, 09:01:02 pm
The blue Mantis.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 07, 2015, 09:13:05 pm
The blue Mantis.

Robert se bike?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on January 07, 2015, 09:14:20 pm
The blue Mantis.

Robert se bike?

Luke...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Milla on January 07, 2015, 10:19:11 pm
Soooo, I guess it come down to what bike to use for this event? Prep a 450 or buy a 690 and prep that one?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: darthvader on January 07, 2015, 11:00:38 pm
450 Yamaha, carb, simple - you can buy mine  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 08, 2015, 12:07:17 am

 Rustigheid, met n plan.
 Rome is nie in een dag gebou nie, wat waar is, maar dit is nie in een dag(post) afgebrand, wat n storie is. Dink daaroor.
 GSer se eie quote.
 
 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 08, 2015, 08:11:19 am
What fuel range is required?

Am I also understanding it correctly that no fuel containers allowed other than the bike's integral fuel system means no Rotopax's allowed this year?


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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 08, 2015, 08:37:02 am
What fuel range is required?

Am I also understanding it correctly that no fuel containers allowed other than the bike's integral fuel system means no Rotopax's allowed this year?


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Has to be hard mounted to the bike this year as I understood it, no more bladders or coke bottles
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 08, 2015, 08:54:16 am
What fuel range is required?

Am I also understanding it correctly that no fuel containers allowed other than the bike's integral fuel system means no Rotopax's allowed this year?


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Has to be hard mounted to the bike this year as I understood it, no more bladders or coke bottles

Thanks, I understand about bladders and coke bottles, but specifically what about Rotopax fuel containers, which mount pretty securely onto the bike: there was a 690 in 2014's race that used this option, is that now excluded for 2015, do you maybe know?


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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 08, 2015, 09:32:53 am
What fuel range is required?

Am I also understanding it correctly that no fuel containers allowed other than the bike's integral fuel system means no Rotopax's allowed this year?


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270km.  In mostly sand.  On a 690, that means approx 22 l.

From Alex: •You will not be allowed to carry fuel in bladders or bottles of any kind. All fuel must be mounted to the bike permanently and make up part of the fuel system. (As per FIM regulations. NO EXCEPTIONS)  A rotopax must be removed to pour the fuel into the tank.  As it is not plumbed into the fuel system, it will not be legal.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 08, 2015, 09:58:27 am
What fuel range is required?

Am I also understanding it correctly that no fuel containers allowed other than the bike's integral fuel system means no Rotopax's allowed this year?


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270km.  In mostly sand.  On a 690, that means approx 22 l.

From Alex: •You will not be allowed to carry fuel in bladders or bottles of any kind. All fuel must be mounted to the bike permanently and make up part of the fuel system. (As per FIM regulations. NO EXCEPTIONS)  A rotopax must be removed to pour the fuel into the tank.  As it is not plumbed into the fuel system, it will not be legal.

Sh!t. Thanks for clarifying, but it means I have go and spend MORE money on front long range tanks, was planning on only my 4.5 litre Rally-Raid rear tank plus a Rotopax, but this is now not an option unfortunately it seems.


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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 08, 2015, 10:09:46 am
It might be do-able, depending on how risk averse you are.  I used 20.5 l on stage 1, where lots of people ran out.  I think the before and after liaison was 115km of the 275km.  The rest was sand.  I have a Vortex ignition on my 690 which makes it a bit heavier on fuel than a regular one.

If the sand was more or if I got lost, I would have used more.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 08, 2015, 10:18:42 am
Start getting fit NOW!

Amageza 2014 Stage 2 Special

https://www.youtube.com/v/wyZpNL3bvF0
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 08, 2015, 01:07:03 pm
Amageza 2014 Stage 3 Special

https://www.youtube.com/v/UeAoSonaBnA
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 08, 2015, 02:25:53 pm
Awesome video
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on January 08, 2015, 02:28:04 pm
Awesome video
Tx

Only one more to come unfortunately, nothing from Day 5 =\
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 08, 2015, 04:28:07 pm
It might be do-able, depending on how risk averse you are.  I used 20.5 l on stage 1, where lots of people ran out.  I think the before and after liaison was 115km of the 275km.  The rest was sand.  I have a Vortex ignition on my 690 which makes it a bit heavier on fuel than a regular one.

If the sand was more or if I got lost, I would have used more.

With the entry fee being what it is this year, risk averse I certainly am!

So, I am looking at the Rally-raid Evo 2 tank kit now, doesn't seem to be toooo unureasonably priced! I spoke to Rally-Raid and the Evo 1 option (and therefore its local copies by the likes of Omega) do not fit the 2014 690 under the new shape shrouds, so Evo 2 it will be it looks like.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 08, 2015, 04:59:47 pm
Do I understand the entry process correctly - you can only send in your entry form after you have paid all three instalments of the entry fee?

Or, can you send in your entry now and pay off your entry fee?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Buff on January 08, 2015, 05:16:28 pm
It might be do-able, depending on how risk averse you are.  I used 20.5 l on stage 1, where lots of people ran out.  I think the before and after liaison was 115km of the 275km.  The rest was sand.  I have a Vortex ignition on my 690 which makes it a bit heavier on fuel than a regular one.

If the sand was more or if I got lost, I would have used more.

With the entry fee being what it is this year, risk averse I certainly am!

So, I am looking at the Rally-raid Evo 2 tank kit now, doesn't seem to be toooo unureasonably priced! I spoke to Rally-Raid and the Evo 1 option (and therefore its local copies by the likes of Omega) do not fit the 2014 690 under the new shape shrouds, so Evo 2 it will be it looks like.

I mailed Omega last year regarding this and they assured me their tanks will work on the 2014 KTM 690.
Unfortunately at R13 500 they don't come cheap. I was planning on going the Rotopax route as well but now will need to make other plans
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 08, 2015, 06:15:25 pm
The Evo 2 tanks will also work out R13k.  Just the tanks, no fairings or nav tower.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 08, 2015, 08:37:24 pm
So after last year's Amageza I was set on this year. Bought myself a bike and started learning and planning. Big curveball now.

Notwithstanding the cost issue which has now escalated quite a bit, I have the following issues:

1. Bigger fuel range required meaning the setup I have is not sufficient.
2. Water to be mounted on bike? Need to get this done somehow and probably buy extra tanks for this.

I bought Scooterbikes WR 450 which is an awesome machine with nice setup. Question is what would the best option be?

Buy a 690 which is setup for Amageza but cannot play around for the rest of the year in the tight stuff
Look for a proper Ralley 450
Keep this one and just have fun


Take the money of the entry buy a nice play bike and have fun?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 08, 2015, 08:44:12 pm
So after last year's Amageza I was set on this year. Bought myself a bike and started learning and planning. Big curveball now.

Notwithstanding the cost issue which has now escalated quite a bit, I have the following issues:

1. Bigger fuel range required meaning the setup I have is not sufficient. Fuel range requirement is the same as last year, no change.  How much do you have?
2. Water to be mounted on bike? Need to get this done somehow and probably buy extra tanks for this. A tooltube with a camelback bladder inside.  Its just so that if you fall on your back, you still have water

I bought Scooterbikes WR 450 which is an awesome machine with nice setup. Question is what would the best option be?

Buy a 690 which is setup for Amageza but cannot play around for the rest of the year in the tight stuff
Look for a proper Ralley 450
Keep this one and just have fun


Take the money of the entry buy a nice play bike and have fun? You have a bike...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 08, 2015, 09:20:27 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on January 08, 2015, 09:38:31 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.
Yo
ek het daai tanks gedrain, en amper 20L by die pomp gegooi  :thumleft: maar toets eerder self om seker te wees  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 08, 2015, 10:02:12 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.
Yo
ek het daai tanks gedrain, en amper 20L by die pomp gegooi  :thumleft: maar toets eerder self om seker te wees  :ricky:

 :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 09, 2015, 09:00:51 am
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.

Go to Atlantis.  Drain everything and then put 1 litre in.  Put the bike through its paces.  Do the calculation.  I think you need to get a larger front tank.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 09, 2015, 10:49:56 am
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.

Go to Atlantis.  Drain everything and then put 1 litre in.  Put the bike through its paces.  Do the calculation.  I think you need to get a larger front tank.

Options on that?
Safari 15.5 L  = R5300 without shipping
Clarke or IMG. Not sure of capacity though
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on January 09, 2015, 12:20:15 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.

Go to Atlantis.  Drain everything and then put 1 litre in.  Put the bike through its paces.  Do the calculation.  I think you need to get a larger front tank.

Options on that?
Safari 15.5 L  = R5300 without shipping
Clarke or IMG. Not sure of capacity though

Clarke +-14L yours
IMG +-13L
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on January 11, 2015, 04:05:46 pm
Do I understand the entry process correctly - you can only send in your entry form after you have paid all three instalments of the entry fee?

Or, can you send in your entry now and pay off your entry fee?

Bump, if anyone knows the answer to this maybe please? I also sent a query through the Amageza website, but no response yet.


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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on January 11, 2015, 05:27:21 pm
Last year the entry form was ONLY available as a download from the shop once we had paid for certain goods, the rider and bike entry, I think.

This year will probably  be the same - pay your first deposit and see what happens.  :thumleft:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on January 11, 2015, 05:33:54 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.
you need to get 10 liters in the rear, and something bigger up front if you can.
I have same setup as you and need to change
Let me know if you are going to order tanks,  i will most probably  have to order similar
look on the bright side, now you also have long range tanks for that second WR you are going to get to train on  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 12, 2015, 11:32:15 am
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.

Go to Atlantis.  Drain everything and then put 1 litre in.  Put the bike through its paces.  Do the calculation.  I think you need to get a larger front tank.

Options on that?
Safari 15.5 L  = R5300 without shipping
Clarke or IMG. Not sure of capacity though


Try to maintain the bike's designed for balance.  Fill the oem tank and put the front wheel on a scale.  Note the weight.  Without anything on the rear, weigh the back end and determine the weight bias.  Now add your nav stuff on the front and the larger front tank.  That should tell you how much fuel you want to carry at the rear.  A balanced bike is a pleasure in the dunes.  The 690s with the additional front tanks highlighted the issue on stage two.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on January 12, 2015, 07:00:57 pm
Thanks for he feedback. That's why I love this forum.

Fuel range is about 18 litres. 13 front and 5 rear.
you need to get 10 liters in the rear, and something bigger up front if you can.
I have same setup as you and need to change
Let me know if you are going to order tanks,  i will most probably  have to order similar
look on the bright side, now you also have long range tanks for that second WR you are going to get to train on  ;D
also upgraded front and rear spring to compensate for extra weight that will be on the bike
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 12, 2015, 09:17:07 pm
Seems like I have plenty to learn.  :-[
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on January 13, 2015, 08:04:40 pm
Entered and paid my 1st installment. :ricky:
Now to start getting faster and fitter.....
Just finished rebuilding the top end on my 450, as well as torque limiter and all swingarm bearings and seals. tower rebuild is almost done. all fuel hoses replaced and new fuel pump. Still need to sort a water tank...then I'm ready to smash some sand!
Roll on August!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on January 14, 2015, 07:45:36 am
Entered and paid my 1st installment. :ricky:
Now to start getting faster and fitter.....
Just finished rebuilding the top end on my 450, as well as torque limiter and all swingarm bearings and seals. tower rebuild is almost done. all fuel hoses replaced and new fuel pump. Still need to sort a water tank...then I'm ready to smash some sand!
Roll on August!  :thumleft:

Lekker Peter!!  :ricky: :ricky:

Right behind you mate!! have my list of "to do's" and then training... aim... be 30% fitter than last year!!  :thumleft:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 14, 2015, 07:56:51 am

 Lekker mr Peter !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on January 19, 2015, 12:56:46 pm
First payment done!  :thumleft: I'm in again!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 19, 2015, 02:14:18 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 19, 2015, 03:00:44 pm
I also think this year is going to be a financial stretch for the first timers. If you already have a rallye bike from the previous years, not so bad.

But still the cheapest rallye in the world? Probably.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: melvman on January 19, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
What is the setup with regards to overnight accomodation for riders and their assistants? Does averyone provide their own tents and sleeping bags and camp within the beauvac area?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on January 19, 2015, 04:29:09 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 19, 2015, 04:40:27 pm
So seems like finding a team is important!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Wild Woody on January 19, 2015, 04:53:16 pm
So seems like finding a team is important!!

Yip thats my plan  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: alli on January 19, 2015, 06:00:01 pm
subscribed .
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 19, 2015, 07:01:24 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
I am not a fist timer
Came 23rd in the 2012 Amageza in Sutherland
........that said - I did it with my 950 SE and since then the race has become much more technical and with lots of sand
...............hence the need for a smaller sandfriendly bike.
 
I also bought a 525 recently in prep for the 2015 Amageza
The thing is even with a cheap build it is still going to cost a lot
And please don't for one moment think that I don't realise it is worth every cent.
It is just a fact that if you don't have loose moolah lying around you will have to take out a small loan for this without sponsors

I'm afraid that is out of the ques for me
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on January 20, 2015, 09:20:36 pm
Revs het n fully preped wr450 vir r45000 op die forum gehad n tydjie terug...was julle aan die slaap  ::)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KarooKid on January 20, 2015, 09:30:29 pm
Probably going to sell mine as well. Maticulously prepared by Scooterbike
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on January 21, 2015, 12:11:13 am
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
I am not a fist timer
Came 23rd in the 2012 Amageza in Sutherland
........that said - I did it with my 950 SE and since then the race has become much more technical and with lots of sand
...............hence the need for a smaller sandfriendly bike.
 
I also bought a 525 recently in prep for the 2015 Amageza
The thing is even with a cheap build it is still going to cost a lot
And please don't for one moment think that I don't realise it is worth every cent.
It is just a fact that if you don't have loose moolah lying around you will have to take out a small loan for this without sponsors

I'm afraid that is out of the ques for me

Oh stop being such a big girl.

Sell the 525 and do it on your SE.

Myself and Rudi are going to probably do it again on ours.

It really is not so technical. Yes there's a lot of sand but, it's not that big of an issue with these bikes.

Biggest issue is fitness. Get very fit and have fun.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rickus on January 21, 2015, 07:07:16 am

Oh stop being such a big girl.

Sell the 525 and do it on your SE.

Myself and Rudi are going to probably do it again on ours.

It really is not so technical. Yes there's a lot of sand but, it's not that big of an issue with these bikes.

Biggest issue is fitness. Get very fit and have fun.

[/quote]

Wyse woorde van n wyse OU man  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on January 21, 2015, 07:28:47 am
Karoo Kid,
Let me know when you look at selling as I am looking.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: charliepappa on January 21, 2015, 08:13:19 am
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
I am not a fist timer
Came 23rd in the 2012 Amageza in Sutherland
........that said - I did it with my 950 SE and since then the race has become much more technical and with lots of sand
...............hence the need for a smaller sandfriendly bike.
 
I also bought a 525 recently in prep for the 2015 Amageza
The thing is even with a cheap build it is still going to cost a lot
And please don't for one moment think that I don't realise it is worth every cent.
It is just a fact that if you don't have loose moolah lying around you will have to take out a small loan for this without sponsors

I'm afraid that is out of the ques for me

Oh stop being such a big girl.

Sell the 525 and do it on your SE.

Myself and Rudi are going to probably do it again on ours.

It really is not so technical. Yes there's a lot of sand but, it's not that big of an issue with these bikes.

Biggest issue is fitness. Get very fit and have fun.


@Kamanya

Post bietjie picks van julle SE's se setup vir die Amageza asb.  :deal:

Ek het n lang termyn projek om myne ook reg te kry vir die Amageza.  :ricky:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on January 21, 2015, 09:00:14 am
@Kamanya

Post bietjie picks van julle SE's se setup vir die Amageza asb.  :deal:

Ek het n lang termyn projek om myne ook reg te kry vir die Amageza.  :ricky:


It's all in here:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162917.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=162917.0)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 21, 2015, 10:35:24 am
I'm also kicking the idea around of swopping my 690 for a 950se after this year's Amageza.  I feel in sand tracks I like the bigger bikes better, as long as it has the required clearance, suspension and power.

I don't think that I'm keen to set up a new bike before August, though.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on January 22, 2015, 02:52:52 pm
I'm paid and entered for my first Amageza..!

Lots of riding to do between now and August. Anyone want to sell me a roadbook holder they're no longer using?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 22, 2015, 04:03:19 pm
@ NS
**Snip **
Anyone want to sell me a roadbook holder they're no longer using?
** snap**

Rockfox are developing a roadbook.  It will be VERY well priced.  First shakedown test mid Feb 2015

Details to follow soon.

Adie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on January 22, 2015, 04:23:40 pm
@ NS
**Snip **
Anyone want to sell me a roadbook holder they're no longer using?
** snap**

Rockfox are developing a roadbook.  It will be VERY well priced.  First shakedown test mid Feb 2015

Details to follow soon.

Adie


Good to know, I am also interested  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on January 22, 2015, 05:38:40 pm
Looking forward to seeing what you develop
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 22, 2015, 10:34:27 pm
Look here for the upcoming Rockfox Roadbook holder

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=166911.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=166911.0)

Adie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on January 23, 2015, 01:54:23 pm
my entry is in, newbie first timer, great thread this for tips and info. See you'all along the way!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: lj111 on January 23, 2015, 02:01:42 pm
 :sip: :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Orangeswifty on January 23, 2015, 11:07:45 pm
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
I am not a fist timer
Came 23rd in the 2012 Amageza in Sutherland
........that said - I did it with my 950 SE and since then the race has become much more technical and with lots of sand
...............hence the need for a smaller sandfriendly bike.
 
I also bought a 525 recently in prep for the 2015 Amageza
The thing is even with a cheap build it is still going to cost a lot
And please don't for one moment think that I don't realise it is worth every cent.
It is just a fact that if you don't have loose moolah lying around you will have to take out a small loan for this without sponsors

I'm afraid that is out of the ques for me

Oh stop being such a big girl.

Sell the 525 and do it on your SE.

Myself and Rudi are going to probably do it again on ours.

It really is not so technical. Yes there's a lot of sand but, it's not that big of an issue with these bikes.

Biggest issue is fitness. Get very fit and have fun.

Big girl you say huh?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on January 24, 2015, 04:50:09 am
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?
I am afraid I have made the same dream-killing sum
..............and I have already bought a bike in anticipation.
If you add the cost of a bike and rally build into the equation you end up closer to a 100K in costs.
To start off with my family is really not so keen on me spending 50k for a 10 day solo adventure.
Now if something positively drastic happens financially...............hmmmm............... if not...................
 :BangHead:

Don't let anyone convince you this is a cheap sport... but it doesn't have to be as bad as above.

You can look around for a second hand road book and ICO. The handlebar switch comes with the ICO. You can form a team and split the assistance vehicle fees - and save on costs getting to Kimberley - we did that last year and it was just a friend and a transport van - we did all the mechanicals ourselves pretty much.

Then there's also the option of selling the stuff afterwards if you aren't going to use it again... you should get quite a bit of money back... ICO's and road books sell for quite high values.. to other ambitious suckers looking forward to their first rally (mis)adventure.

Jagsding and a few others are prepping 525's this year. I reckon you could prep one for R50k and if you didn't want to carry on rallying or rough touring on a small bike, then sell the prepped bike for at least 80% of its value... maybe much more. That's of course if you don't get hooked! And good luck avoiding that. I'll be back on the start line for shiz!
I am not a fist timer
Came 23rd in the 2012 Amageza in Sutherland
........that said - I did it with my 950 SE and since then the race has become much more technical and with lots of sand
...............hence the need for a smaller sandfriendly bike.
 
I also bought a 525 recently in prep for the 2015 Amageza
The thing is even with a cheap build it is still going to cost a lot
And please don't for one moment think that I don't realise it is worth every cent.
It is just a fact that if you don't have loose moolah lying around you will have to take out a small loan for this without sponsors

I'm afraid that is out of the ques for me

Oh stop being such a big girl.

Sell the 525 and do it on your SE.

Myself and Rudi are going to probably do it again on ours.

It really is not so technical. Yes there's a lot of sand but, it's not that big of an issue with these bikes.

Biggest issue is fitness. Get very fit and have fun.

Big girl you say huh?

JA SWIFTY - IS JY DOOF / BLIND ?

OF NET BANG ...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on January 26, 2015, 07:23:15 pm
as much as I want too, I am still hesitant to enter. this hole 'car' thing bothers me. How will it work?
Are the Bikes racing on the same route as the cars, at the same time? Who starts first, and who crashes into who in the dust? Will the track be 'easier' because of the cars?
Does anyone know more about the logistics of this?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 26, 2015, 09:51:58 pm
You just need to be faster than a bakkie  >:D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BV on January 27, 2015, 06:20:10 am
In offroad racing they had to split the cars and bikes. Cars are faster than bikes.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on January 27, 2015, 07:08:50 am
We're splitting the course wherever possible, and staggered starts should help.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Mooch on January 27, 2015, 08:20:18 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on January 27, 2015, 02:29:45 pm
There are a number of options available to ensure the safety of all the competitors, these include:

As said in 2011, the objective of the Amageza is to be the one race where you can get the closest experience possible to the Dakar Rally at a fraction of the entry fee. Including cars and quads are part of this.

I would give my LEFT AND RIGHT BALL to do a rally like the Amageza in South Africa for such a minuscule price. My liewe genade guys, enter the damn race and stop making excuses why you can't, won't, etc.  ;)

As also said many times before. You are our only partners in this mission. See it as your DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to be a MAN (WOMAN) and race if you damn well feel like it!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on January 27, 2015, 07:14:05 pm
In offroad racing they had to split the cars and bikes. Cars are faster than bikes.
Don't be to afraid. Much safer today.
 I survived the old school Toyota 1000, Baberspan 500, etc. races. Bikes, cars, bakkies, sandmasters all in the thick of it.
 Oo, and that includes the days before the quads.
 Without road books, satnav stuff, sat tracking, "short" travel suspension, flares, mousses, desert tires, etc.
 We had a lot of fun and vasbyting.
 Made a lot of friends !
 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on January 28, 2015, 11:06:50 am
We're splitting the course wherever possible, and staggered starts should help.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on February 03, 2015, 07:26:52 am
ok, I'm in... again! 1st 2 payments done  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Amageza #5 here i come!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on February 03, 2015, 08:50:07 am
I see there is a discount if you pay before a certain time. Is that an early payment discount or is that the discount for being a previous entrant?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: IDR on February 03, 2015, 09:55:00 am
I see there is a discount if you pay before a certain time. Is that an early payment discount or is that the discount for being a previous entrant?

I believe there is discount applicable for both...?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 03, 2015, 10:01:49 am
From: http://www.amageza.com/# (http://www.amageza.com/#)!enter-description/cpgh

Loyalty System
The Amageza Loyalty System gives a 10% discount for each Amageza Rallye entered.
The maximum count is 3, where 30% discount is given.
The count has to be consecutive. If you miss one year, the count resets.
You cannot claim 10% early payment and loyalty discount. It's one discount group only. The loyalty discount expires only on 30 June 2015 whereas the early payment discount expires in intervals.
Example:
If you had paid for the 2012, 2013 and 2014 Amageza, then you can claim a 30% discount.
If however you did 2013, then missed 2014 you cannot receive any discount.
If you have done all the Amageza Rallies you can still only claim a maximum of 30% discount.
How to claim:
You need to email your name and surname to entry@amageza.com, with the subject being DISCOUNT and containing the years you had entered and paid. You will then be placed in the corresponding discount group.
You need to be in the discount group BEFORE ordering anything. Once you have ordered, the discount cannot be applied unless the order is deleted and redone. In the event that you have already ordered and paid, a 10% of total admin fee will be levied to redo the order and transfer the funds.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on February 03, 2015, 10:11:49 am
Cool so in other words I've got a bit more time to get my ducks in a row. Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 03, 2015, 10:42:38 am
If you have any queries, particularly about money, address them to Alexander via a call, SMS or email. Details under "Contact" on amageza.com.

Even though he's on his way to the hinterland today, he'll always be in contact with the Amageza site and the "shop".

He'll occasionally check this forum out of interest and courtesy, not as an administrative imperative.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on February 03, 2015, 11:53:12 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 03, 2015, 12:06:30 pm
Cool so in other words I've got a bit more time to get my ducks in a row. Thanks  :thumleft:
Dwerg , jy's oor die berg , 10% af vir jou inskryfgeld.
 Daar is ouens wat 30% af kan kry !
 'n Paar ouens sou  daarvan gehou het om - 40% te kon kry.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on February 03, 2015, 02:14:17 pm
:sip:

you drinking coffee already boet … wait you need it in 9 months time  :imposer:  You need to do the AmaG now before the real sleep deprivation hits  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on February 03, 2015, 08:40:12 pm
ok, I'm in... again! 1st 2 payments done  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Amageza #5 here i come!!

Excellent!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on February 03, 2015, 09:03:10 pm
Paid yesterday, thus I'll be attempting to see Nam and Bots from the comfort of a 690 seat.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on February 06, 2015, 01:50:52 pm
Is there a limit to the number of entries?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on February 06, 2015, 02:12:06 pm
Is there a limit to the number of entries?


I think they said it's limited to 80 for the motorcycle class.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on February 06, 2015, 02:47:09 pm
From Alexander's FB:

"In Gaborone, Botswana working with Gillian to set up the 3 stages crossing Botswana for the 2015 Amageza Rallye. First meeting at 14:00 with the Government."

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/1492618_812236998812044_8234770226239367236_o.jpg)

So he's aiming for three stages in Botswana.....  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on February 11, 2015, 09:40:58 am
Apparently there is a briefing at RAD on Friday afternoon about this year's Amageza, but I can't go due to being away for work - is there maybe anyone else on the forum who might be able to go and take notes and maybe post the main details here for those of us that can't go?




Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 11, 2015, 09:49:40 am
... and upload those notes here!  ::)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on February 11, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Apparently there is a briefing at RAD on Friday afternoon about this year's Amageza, but I can't go due to being away for work - is there maybe anyone else on the forum who might be able to go and take notes and maybe post the main details here for those of us that can't go?


I'll be there, will take notes for sure!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 11, 2015, 10:56:32 am
The current picture is very fluid as permissions are granted or refused, and as this affects the logistical flow.

You will cross borders, so make sure you have everything in order, including passports, drivers licences (do we need to carry the bike's papers?) and yet more cash. Some of the international competitors might need visas etc.

We'll be quite likely to cross malaria areas. Appropriate prophylactics might be in order.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on February 11, 2015, 11:43:57 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on February 11, 2015, 06:29:12 pm
Apparently there is a briefing at RAD on Friday afternoon about this year's Amageza, but I can't go due to being away for work - is there maybe anyone else on the forum who might be able to go and take notes and maybe post the main details here for those of us that can't go?


I'll be there, will take notes for sure!

Thanks Minxsy, much appreciated!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 11, 2015, 07:29:14 pm
Apparently there is a briefing at RAD on Friday afternoon about this year's Amageza, but I can't go due to being away for work - is there maybe anyone else on the forum who might be able to go and take notes and maybe post the main details here for those of us that can't go?


I'll be there, will take notes for sure!
Go Minxy,  go for it !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MDT on February 16, 2015, 09:24:10 am
I think it's wonderful that the Amageza is becoming so professional, but I worry that it's going to start excluding people (like me!).

A rough, quick budget, assuming you've already got a suitable bike platform, and qualify for some discounts:

entry fee19100
roadbook holder3800
radio1000
handlebar switches2500
One RNS/ICO5000
tyres&tubes5000
fuel3360
assistance vehicle entry fee5400
Oil service1000
46160

To this, we still need to add the cost of the Sentinel and GPS brackets. So call it R50k. I'm a poor Kaapie... that's a lot of dosh for me. In fact, it's more than my bike's worth! I realise that there was big-bucks at the last Amageza. Plenty fully-kitted KTMs. But this is a barrier-of-entry that's not really noob-friendly.

And this excludes any prep you need to make to your bike (long range tanks are pricey, rally towers and things are too; I'd need to bolt to handlebars for now) or fuel for your support vehicle. 'Course, you could try'n use bicycle computers and a DIY roadbook holder, and that could save you about R10k. But I doubt most newbies would get away with much less than R50k. Peanuts for the average European in the Dakar, but this is money-from-the-bond for me.

Alexander, there was talk at one time to have a class for guys with ADV bikes, who would use normal GPS units for nav. Is this still on the cards? If so, would they be allowed to use fuel cans/bladders?

Must say i did smile on reading this. You wanna talk absurd cost =  start cycling stage races

Let me give you a breakdown on a few races and then reconsider as at R19100 sounds like a bargain.

Sani2c Entry R11 800 - Three day event
Petrol R3500
Maintenance R2500
Supplements - R1500
Not going to add bike and kit cost but nice MTB looking at 35K +
So that is about R19300 for the weekend

Cape Epic
Entry - R53700 - For the week per team so lets work on R26850
Bike everything needs to be relatively new if you dont have new bike - R10 000 +-
Prep training and supplements - R20 000 +-

You looking without kit and bike cost and all the things that i dont even want to get into at about R56 000

So i agree that amageza is not cheap but vs cycling industry you will struggle to find a stage race entry fee under 10k lately.

And that's to f%cking ride around on peddle bike.


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on February 16, 2015, 05:25:29 pm
Some of my notes from the Amageza meeting at RAD.
If I got anything horribly wrong please feel free to correct me :thumleft:

-There is still much discussion regarding the car class. If it's still going to happen the idea seems to be to only allow about 20 cars max. Will have to see how this works out.
-There will be 7 race days with a total of around 4000kms.
-The 7 stages may or may not be clockwise / counter clockwise along the planned route.
-On the 28th of August there will be scruitineering and also rider presentation, to properly introduce all the participants.
-In no particular order... The stages will consist of riding in all kinds of cool places like the Kalahari, saltpans (Botswana), sandy roads near Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park, possibly some riding in the Caprivi strip, over dunes (Namibia), coastline down into the Cape.
- Special stages will be longer and harder.
- There may be a Marathon stage like in the Dakar, where you are without your support crew.
- Bivouac will be setup close to major towns.
-There will be pre-clearance of customs when crossing borders to speed up the process. Listing all your equipment etc to show to border officials will make crossing the border easier. Make sure passports / required visas etc are up to scratch!
- An opening vehicle will do the route first, to make sure there are no locked gates or other nasty surprises that can cause problems. There will be a vehicle sweeping at the end of the day as well.
- Support crew will be given a GPS track to follow to their next destination. Meals etc included as part of their support package.
- There may be a tyre service crew to help with installation of mouses etc.
- Malle Moto riders are allowed their trunk and two sets of tyres.
- There will be strict rules for Malle Moto riders regarding working on their bikes. No outside help allowed, unless it's from other Malle Moto riders.

- In addition to water being carried on you, you must have water that is fixed to the bike. A simple example is to use a tool tube with a 2L bladder inside that's attached to the bike.
- Tool belts / bags that strap onto your body are not allowed. Tools and other heavy equipment must be strapped / attached to the bike.
- You should carry enough fuel to cover 250km + 25% in case you get lost. Fuel must be in a tank, part of your bike, you can't use rotor packs to mount fuel onto your bike etc.
- Book your mouses early!
- Riders must wear a neckbrace.
- The font used in the roadbook will be improved so that it's clearer and easier to read.

-Regarding MSA Licenses, a single event license won't do anymore. A annual club license is required, preferably with cover to the value of R500,000.

- ERTF system.
- First of all, this is very dependent on what the Euro price does. If our currency is too weak it won't be a viable option. If everything goes to plan we'll be using this device. ( If it doesn't work out, plan B is to supply all the riders with a ETRAX10 GPS).
- The ERTF sounds really cool though! Works a lot like a gps regarding your location etc, you can use a code to unlock the next waypoint if you get seriously lost. Using this more than the allowed amount of times will get you disqualified though.
- It gives a warning if you fall / come to sudden stand still so people behind you can be aware.
- Gives a warning signal when somebody wants to overtake you.
- Will require a mounting bracket, so make sure you have some space on your bike. Additional info to size etc can be found on the ertf.com website.
- A deposit will be required.
- More info coming in the next 6 weeks.

Bonus picture of me grinning like an idiot, together with Amageza organizers Wayne and Alexander :D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10942517_10153108618276972_1499940655021091097_n.jpg?oh=99fe8b987769630f5371fd913536de18&oe=555D5937&__gda__=1432101153_cd075abf7eb5a390a8cf7c0c41eedb52)

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 16, 2015, 06:44:44 pm
Excellent Minxy, that sums up the current picture very well.

I think Amageza plan to supply the Malle Moto riders' trommels. And, indeed, their supervision as well as general bivvy management will be much stricter.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 16, 2015, 07:27:29 pm

 Dankie Minxy !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Mooch on February 17, 2015, 07:44:05 am
Cool. Thanks for the Info..  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on February 17, 2015, 10:19:02 am
Thanks very much, Minxsy, much appreciated!



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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on February 17, 2015, 11:38:11 am
Thanks Minxy  :biggrin:
Can anyone confirm the size of the water tank required? last I heard was 2L?
I'm getting a bashplate made and need to make sure before I get an incorrect size water compartment made.
My bike has very little space on the rear for anything so a tool tube back there is not likely to work.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on February 17, 2015, 12:19:50 pm
I would like to know more about the tracker setup. need to make provision for it in the bike. Don't want to find out later (to late) there is no where to mount it on my bike.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 17, 2015, 12:42:53 pm
Thanks Minxy  :biggrin:
Can anyone confirm the size of the water tank required? last I heard was 2L?
I'm getting a bashplate made and need to make sure before I get an incorrect size water compartment made.
My bike has very little space on the rear for anything so a tool tube back there is not likely to work.

All mention has been of 2l - I think Dakar is 3, but as far as I know that's never been mentioned WRT Amageza.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 17, 2015, 12:44:53 pm
Thanks Minxy  :biggrin:
Can anyone confirm the size of the water tank required? last I heard was 2L?
I'm getting a bashplate made and need to make sure before I get an incorrect size water compartment made.
My bike has very little space on the rear for anything so a tool tube back there is not likely to work.

 It surely will be in the Regulation of 2015, I haven't seen it yet.
 Say you need 1.5 liter water (1.5 kg) on the bike in a sturdy tank (say 1.5 to 2 kg) you look at say 3 to 3.5 kg if you are lucky ?
 The water tank then should be mounted as low as can be plus crash surviving plus filler/draining cap/tap positioning plus heat
 insulation, etc., it becomes a tricky design.
 But, I'd rather carry that weight of the water and tools plus some spares on the bike than on my back, its safer to.
 . . . and less energy draining while riding and when walking has to be done, and you will walk some time during the race.  
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 17, 2015, 02:34:37 pm
To the best of my knowledge it is 2l that must be attached (not cable-tied or bungied!) to the bike. Alexander has said that this will be checked at scrutineering.

A 2l tank is all very well. But you must be able to access that water. Bear this in mind - it could save your life out there.

The Dakar has millions of helping, generous fans lining the route. Even in the most remote parts of the course you are not that very far from help. There are helicopters, orga and support vehicles swarming over the countryside, and still competitors die of dehydration related causes. In Amageza 2015 there will be some properly remote stages so I urge you not to gyppo the water thing.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 17, 2015, 02:51:58 pm
I was wrong.  Here it is - under 5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL VEHICLES & COMPETITORS in the provisional SRs.

"k. Every competitor shall carry a minimum of 3.0 litre of drinking fluid per person, 2.0 litres of which shall be carried in a 'camel­bak' type holder on his body. It is recommended that
the additional 1.0 litre be carried in a water container fixed to the vehicle, but it may be carried on his body (eg in the “camel­bak”) provided it is in a separate bladder."

Personally, I don't think 3l is enough for most riders. I also think we should get clarity from Alexander whether paragraph k. will stay unchanged.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on February 17, 2015, 04:07:37 pm
I was wrong.  Here it is - under 5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL VEHICLES & COMPETITORS in the provisional SRs.

"k. Every competitor shall carry a minimum of 3.0 litre of drinking fluid per person, 2.0 litres of which shall be carried in a 'camel­bak' type holder on his body. It is recommended that
the additional 1.0 litre be carried in a water container fixed to the vehicle, but it may be carried on his body (eg in the “camel­bak”) provided it is in a separate bladder."

Personally, I don't think 3l is enough for most riders. I also think we should get clarity from Alexander whether paragraph k. will stay unchanged.


Thanks John....
I'll wait to hear from the big boss if that still stands this year...
Water - to some degree- depends on your riding skills and how much energy you use to blast a stage.... Anyone can survive on 3 L if you doing hardly anything..... but if you gonna sukkel through sand, pick up your bike 30 times and generally exert yourself..... well then you will run out very fast.
On a 140km day of hard enduro - I finish 3 L easily
On a whole stage of Amageza I have yet to run out.
BUT that is excluding falling and breaking the bladder ;)
My plan is to make the container on the bike as a back up.....either way. But if the rules are gonna change - i'll make it the right size from word go  ;D


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on February 17, 2015, 04:18:57 pm
I was wrong.  Here it is - under 5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL VEHICLES & COMPETITORS in the provisional SRs.

"k. Every competitor shall carry a minimum of 3.0 litre of drinking fluid per person, 2.0 litres of which shall be carried in a 'camel­bak' type holder on his body. It is recommended that
the additional 1.0 litre be carried in a water container fixed to the vehicle, but it may be carried on his body (eg in the “camel­bak”) provided it is in a separate bladder."

Personally, I don't think 3l is enough for most riders. I also think we should get clarity from Alexander whether paragraph k. will stay unchanged.



That is the water requirement from last year - note the word 'recommended'.

I received an e-mail this year stating 2l and it MUST be fixed to your bike. I deleted the e-mail but this is one reason I canned this years Amageza, I can't be arsed to 'build' a 2L container ..................... 

As always, contact Alex. 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 17, 2015, 05:38:02 pm

 and , on route marshals should have plenty of drinking water with them (Alex ? please put that on your to do list ) ask them and "always" fill up your  camelpack at SPs and DSPs. Dehydration kills. Hydration and rehydration should be done to your own bodies needs through a plan that is to your bodies own requirements to various body loadings. That plan should be worked out, tried and tested before Amageza is attempted.
We know what happened at Dakar 2015.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on February 18, 2015, 12:31:53 pm
I was at RAD last Friday when Alex was there

You need to have I think 2L fixed to the bike but a tooltube with a bladder in will be accepted as I understood it
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on February 18, 2015, 12:49:30 pm
I'm keeping mine in my stomach, tool tubes are for KLRs and BMWs (not always you get to say that in the same sentence).
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on February 18, 2015, 02:11:01 pm
Entered !!! (My birthday present to myself)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on February 18, 2015, 03:21:10 pm
Entered !!! (My birthday present to myself)

Awesome Kevin!!! :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 18, 2015, 03:31:37 pm
Entered !!! (My birthday present to myself)

 Lekker !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 18, 2015, 03:49:47 pm
Entered !!! (My birthday present to myself)

Excellent!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BV on February 18, 2015, 04:43:04 pm
Thanks Minxy  :biggrin:
Can anyone confirm the size of the water tank required? last I heard was 2L?
I'm getting a bashplate made and need to make sure before I get an incorrect size water compartment made.
My bike has very little space on the rear for anything so a tool tube back there is not likely to work.

All mention has been of 2l - I think Dakar is 3, but as far as I know that's never been mentioned WRT Amageza.


Confirmation from Alex.
 3 liter fixed to bike.
2 liter camelback
5l in total.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Camelman on February 18, 2015, 07:53:34 pm
Guys,

I apologize for the fact that there is uncertainty surrounding some safety equipment.

Water: FIM says 3 liters fixed to bike. Question is, what is out there? Where can we get said water holder? Some of the water tanks I saw at Dakar will require the rider to turn the bike upside-down to get the water out? I was going WTF?

But, this area is HOT. (BTW In Namibia this evening, Windhoek to be exact) So give me till next week Friday please. We're back on Friday evening late. Will make some calls and see what we can source locally regarding the water issue. I think that if we can settle on 2 liters fixed and 3 on back, we could keep FIM happy. Whatever I find will be sent via the shop newsletter function.

Now enter you draadsitters. We need the money to recce!  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Motties on February 18, 2015, 08:14:09 pm
I guess one could always use the camelbak's hose as a "straw" to drink from the mounted container in an emergency situation. Most of the available integrated water tanks that I have seen will have the cap at the top.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on February 18, 2015, 08:27:57 pm
 Hmmm - there were Dakar Honda bikes with the water in their rear swing arms! I think they conveniently drained it after scrutineering  ::)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 18, 2015, 08:37:15 pm
Hmmm - there were Dakar Honda bikes with the water in their rear swing arms! I think they conveniently drained it after scrutineering  ::)
Yip, so, a lot of unsprung mass "instantly" removed from the swing arm.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on February 18, 2015, 08:48:34 pm
Hmmm - there were Dakar Honda bikes with the water in their rear swing arms! I think they conveniently drained it after scrutineering  ::)
Yip, so, a lot of unsprung mass "instantly" removed from the swing arm.

Exactly and regulation complied with. Not sure they will continue to get away with it going forward. Generally favourite place previously used to be built into bashplate.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on February 18, 2015, 11:05:01 pm
Guys,

I apologize for the fact that there is uncertainty surrounding some safety equipment.

Water: FIM says 3 liters fixed to bike. Question is, what is out there? Where can we get said water holder? Some of the water tanks I saw at Dakar will require the rider to turn the bike upside-down to get the water out? I was going WTF?

But, this area is HOT. (BTW In Namibia this evening, Windhoek to be exact) So give me till next week Friday please. We're back on Friday evening late. Will make some calls and see what we can source locally regarding the water issue. I think that if we can settle on 2 liters fixed and 3 on back, we could keep FIM happy. Whatever I find will be sent via the shop newsletter function.

Now enter you draadsitters. We need the money to recce!  ;D

Thanks for taking the time to reply Alex. We will await your newsletter. Lots to do on bikes to get things sorted to comply.... We dont want to pitch up and fail scrutineering!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on February 20, 2015, 10:53:17 am
OK, deposit paid. Let the financial ruin begin! ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on February 20, 2015, 12:13:23 pm
OK, deposit paid. Let the financial ruin begin! ;D
Awesomeness!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on February 20, 2015, 12:22:48 pm
I am still recovering (fanancially) from last year. Hoping to get enough bucks to go again!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on February 20, 2015, 03:36:30 pm
OK, deposit paid. Let the financial ruin begin! ;D

Joey you legend!!!
OH - please start a thread on your bike...... I want to know what fuel and mods you doing......  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on February 20, 2015, 07:43:37 pm
OK, deposit paid. Let the financial ruin begin! ;D

Joey you legend!!!
OH - please start a thread on your bike...... I want to know what fuel and mods you doing......  :biggrin:
Awesome Joey...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 21, 2015, 08:29:39 am
OK, deposit paid. Let the financial ruin begin! ;D

Joey you legend!!!
OH - please start a thread on your bike...... I want to know what fuel and mods you doing......  :biggrin:
Awesome Joey...

 Lekker !
 The list is growing.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: RedRum on February 21, 2015, 06:14:50 pm
Ek is in!

1ste betaling gedoen.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 22, 2015, 08:11:45 am
 
. . . en die lys word langer.
Lekker RR !
 
 Net 6 maande oor ?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on February 22, 2015, 08:35:04 pm
The cat is out of the bag! Payment done and dusted.
Now the big sweat starts... Amageza here I come!  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: TWE-TWE on February 22, 2015, 09:06:26 pm
The cat is out of the bag! Payment done and dusted.
Now the big sweat starts... Amageza here I come!  :ricky:

Awesome!! You go girl.... You will be the second woman to do this race.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Jors Troelie on February 22, 2015, 09:09:26 pm
The cat is out of the bag! Payment done and dusted.
Now the big sweat starts... Amageza here I come!  :ricky:

Awesome!! You go girl.... You will be the second woman to do this race.  :thumleft:

Awesame indeed. Hats off to you  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on February 22, 2015, 09:32:27 pm
has anyone got more info on the tracker that will be supplied. which one, where does it need to be mounted, and what bracket is required.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on February 23, 2015, 07:15:06 am
The cat is out of the bag! Payment done and dusted.
Now the big sweat starts... Amageza here I come!  :ricky:

 Lekker Minxy ! !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on February 23, 2015, 07:36:38 am
has anyone got more info on the tracker that will be supplied. which one, where does it need to be mounted, and what bracket is required.


At the moment it looks like the ERTF unit is just on the cards.  The price is still a sticking point and we hope to find relief on that. (Provided our minirandelas hold!)

Competitors will have to buy the mounting hardware which might be as much as R2K. Maybe a cheaper, local supplier could be found.

If the ERTF thing does not happen then Amageza will buy GPSs (one model, the same for everyone) and issue them to competitors against a small deposit.

I imagine, but don't actually know for certain, that a careful competitor would be allowed to carry their own back-up unit as well. This seems the sensible thing to do.

On the subject of GPS timing: Alexander repeated yesterday that if we use GPS timing the software would travel with the race and that reliance on the steam-driven internet would be minimised.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on February 23, 2015, 11:59:48 am
has anyone got more info on the tracker that will be supplied. which one, where does it need to be mounted, and what bracket is required.

On the subject of GPS timing: Alexander repeated yesterday that if we use GPS timing the software would travel with the race and that reliance on the steam-driven internet would be minimised.
+1 to that!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on March 11, 2015, 08:25:39 am
Can a list of the entries so far, be viewed anywhere?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on March 12, 2015, 09:27:57 am
Has the route been finalised?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on March 12, 2015, 10:18:29 am
Has the route been finalised?

You must be an optimist.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on March 12, 2015, 10:30:01 am
I'm not a competitor this year, but I'm still a bit skeptic about the expansive plans for this years race. I feel that the race would benefit from getting the basics (timing, admin, logistics) sorted out really well before going on a cross-border jaunt. No reason why we can not have a 3000-4000 km race in exactly the same areas as last year, including more of the Richtersveld and west coast (Even ending the last stage with a closed course at Atlantis  ;D ).

The distances covered each day by the organizers and logistics team will be massive compared to last year, and will greatly decrease the time available for sorting out timing and admin etc. So will the necessary border crossings. Only 24 hours in a day.

Please, I'm not being negative, I just really want this race to evolve into a very professionally run outing where each competitor has a clear understanding of what he can expect to get for his money. Yes, if it was still cheap like the firsts few editions, I would agree with the "ag man, it's the Amageza, we'll wing it" statements. But now we're talking real money.

That said, I wish Alex and his team all the best, and that Amageza 2015 will be a massive success. (If I didn't have family and two kids to raise I would be out there helping them working out a route and roadbooks).

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on March 12, 2015, 11:42:31 am
I'm an Eternal optimist!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on March 12, 2015, 11:44:56 am
Need a water-carrying bashplate for your KTM/HUSKY? http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=169811.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=169811.0)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on March 20, 2015, 11:11:59 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 23, 2015, 03:05:28 pm
More than anything else you need the right go get em mind set  :thumleft:

Forgot to remove the Amageza watermark when I exported this pic of my lil man, figured I'd post it

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10441438_10153125145371399_7939934775834935006_n.jpg?oh=c72a48ad0d9208d7ed272964a9b6fbc5&oe=55AE8A5F&__gda__=1433647689_ab7844469fe6915ec7dab023dc80ad4c)

Much to mom's dismay we are working on his Amageza mindset early :-p
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/10422205_807867165944993_7376657410400625500_n.jpg?oh=b9dbdd3fb72f1fff38f36b2a1033c236&oe=557B2FDD&__gda__=1433476587_5b9862258dd152d882ddff89a323b835)

Hi-jack / sidetrack over
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on March 23, 2015, 03:24:54 pm
 
 I see you use extra heavy duty tie downs.
 . . . and if I may ask , for what is it used ?
 or is it a tow strap for the HONDa ?
 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on March 23, 2015, 05:12:37 pm
leaves less bruises  >:D :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on March 24, 2015, 09:19:47 am
hahahaha
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on March 24, 2015, 02:09:10 pm
So Dakar challenge. Who's entering? I'm glad I'm one of the social guys otherwise there might have been a second mortgage on my house and a divorce on the cards  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on March 24, 2015, 10:17:01 pm

 . . .en Dwerg , nou wat van sneeuwitjie ?
 Mater, jy het 014 gedoen , respek ! en klaar gemaak op jou 1ste ene, waar is die opvolgers wat kan doen wat jy gedoen het ?
 Volgende jaar dan ?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on March 25, 2015, 06:32:20 am

 . . .en Dwerg , nou wat van sneeuwitjie ?
 Mater, jy het 014 gedoen , respek ! en klaar gemaak op jou 1ste ene, waar is die opvolgers wat kan doen wat jy gedoen het ?
 Volgende jaar dan ?

Nee wat ek het geen resies aspirasies nie. Ek hoop weer die jaar Amageza te doen maar Dakar los ek vir die ouens wat jaag  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on March 27, 2015, 12:05:40 pm
So ja, my inskrywing is in. Let the fun or is it the worries begin? :ricky:

Ek soek nog na n bike maar nou ja
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on March 27, 2015, 03:40:13 pm
So ja, my inskrywing is in. Let the fun or is it the worries begin? :ricky:

Ek soek nog na n bike maar nou ja

Awesome and well done!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on March 29, 2015, 07:53:28 am
So ja, my inskrywing is in. Let the fun or is it the worries begin? :ricky:

Ek soek nog na n bike maar nou ja

Awesome and well done!
Ook so !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on March 29, 2015, 09:22:32 pm
So ja, my inskrywing is in. Let the fun or is it the worries begin? :ricky:

Ek soek nog na n bike maar nou ja

Awesome and well done!
Ook so !
Thanks. I looks like I have found my Amageza bike.  :ricky:
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on April 01, 2015, 06:27:41 pm
Gser, what did you get?
Title: Re:
Post by: gser on April 01, 2015, 07:40:23 pm
Gser, what did you get?
Do the crew thing for riders that have not decided/committed yet and I want these riders to make up their minds soon.
 As someone once said " time is few "
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 01, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
eish! I is in.
 :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on April 02, 2015, 06:01:59 pm
 :-)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 02, 2015, 06:56:55 pm
Ek is hopeloos te stadig vir die soort van ry, maar ek sal graag wil kyk!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on April 02, 2015, 09:14:49 pm
Ek is ok maar stadig maar ek gaan dit my beste try gee. Het n 960 gekoop vir die Amageza.
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on April 03, 2015, 06:50:39 am
960! Yster!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 03, 2015, 12:33:06 pm
Its the 690 with the reverse gear option.  Great for dunes
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ChrisMann on April 04, 2015, 12:36:37 pm
Its the 690 with the reverse gear option.  Great for dunes

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on April 05, 2015, 10:53:57 pm
What do you guys thinkabout a recluse clutch for Amageza
Will it last inthe sand?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 06, 2015, 07:53:37 am
Aren't some of them run at Dakar? But I don't see a real advantage. The recluse comes into its own in tight, rocky enduro riding, doesn't it?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 06, 2015, 09:20:01 am
Aren't some of them run at Dakar? But I don't see a real advantage. The recluse comes into its own in tight, rocky enduro riding, doesn't it?

I think the Rekluse you see on Dakar bikes are mostly just the engine covers that allow one to hold more oil in the engine.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on April 06, 2015, 09:33:57 am
Nope they are the clutches, nit just covers. Struggling with 2015 stats but I think Despres and Pain were the two top ten riders who used them
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 06, 2015, 10:08:18 am
Definitely struggling. Depres was in a car! 😜
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on April 06, 2015, 10:10:46 am
Definitely struggling. Depres was in a car! 😜

Struggling with 2015 stats that's why I mentioned the 2014 numbers
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on April 06, 2015, 10:36:50 am
Nope they are the clutches, nit just covers. Struggling with 2015 stats but I think Despres and Pain were the two top ten riders who used them

Some may use them but many use just the covers  :3some:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Motties on April 06, 2015, 10:44:37 am
What do you guys thinkabout a recluse clutch for Amageza
Will it last inthe sand?
Eddie, I would not go with a rekluse. Did the Botswana 1000 with and without the rekluse, as an example, and definitely prefer to have the engine braking in the sandy twisties (which you can still get with a rekluse but it is a bit counter intuitive initially to open up to slow down). Cannot think of much benefit in other typical Amageza  conditions as well. 

Hoping that we would see lots of that Botswana terrain in Ama 2015, it is bloody awesome.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on April 06, 2015, 10:12:22 pm
What do you guys thinkabout a recluse clutch for Amageza
Will it last inthe sand?
Eddie, I would not go with a rekluse. Did the Botswana 1000 with and without the rekluse, as an example, and definitely prefer to have the engine braking in the sandy twisties (which you can still get with a rekluse but it is a bit counter intuitive initially to open up to slow down). Cannot think of much benefit in other typical Amageza  conditions as well. 

Hoping that we would see lots of that Botswana terrain in Ama 2015, it is bloody awesome.

Thanks Motties
Coming from someone that has used it, I will go with your advice.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on April 13, 2015, 10:33:58 am
Hey All - Question here on GPS.
I see that Alex has advised that the only GPS we can use is the Etrex 10. I'm all for standardizing this...... BUT the reason I never bought this one for last years Amageza and rather went with the etrex 20 is:
The 10 has no data card and no memory - so once the tracklog is full at 10000 points.... which is 2.77hours at 1 sec intervals - what happens then? Does anyone know what happens with the etrex 10? The 20 just logs these to the sd card. Does the etrex 10 then create another track?
I just want to be 100% sure that this has been checked.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on April 13, 2015, 10:38:51 am
As far as I understand, they will supply some sort of system which will handle track logging and waypoints. GPS is just for backup/displaying heading if you don't have a ICO CAP
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Krod on April 13, 2015, 01:34:54 pm
The 10 has no data card and no memory - so once the tracklog is full at 10000 points.... which is 2.77hours at 1 sec intervals - what happens then? Does anyone know what happens with the etrex 10? The 20 just logs these to the sd card. Does the etrex 10 then create another track?
I just want to be 100% sure that this has been checked.

I rode 6 hours on saturday with the etrex 10, that doesn't make sense. I don't recall the number of points, but it definitely wasn't full.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on April 13, 2015, 03:52:14 pm
Was it set to 1 sec intervals? I find that on auto it will plot at up to 5sec intervals
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 13, 2015, 06:33:36 pm
As far as I understand, they will supply some sort of system which will handle track logging and waypoints. GPS is just for backup/displaying heading if you don't have a ICO CAP

Nope. That was when they were considering ERTF, which is out for this year as it was just too expensive. The Eurex 10 will record your track and score you etc. It can show CAP, but I really think you need a repeater, which is another very high cost item.

Hey All - Question here on GPS.
I see that Alex has advised that the only GPS we can use is the Etrex 10. I'm all for standardizing this...... BUT the reason I never bought this one for last years Amageza and rather went with the etrex 20 is:
The 10 has no data card and no memory - so once the tracklog is full at 10000 points.... which is 2.77hours at 1 sec intervals - what happens then? Does anyone know what happens with the etrex 10? The 20 just logs these to the sd card. Does the etrex 10 then create another track?
I just want to be 100% sure that this has been checked.

Same position - I also bought a 20 last year for Amageza. Bit of a bummer, but I can see where they're coming from. The main issue is to remove any chance of cheating - the 10 can't do maps. Same reason the iPhone is banned, but it's a real bummer for the battered bank account.

When my 20 failed last year (and I was saved by my iPhone) I was told to put it in auto mode by org. The 1 sec rule isn't really necessary, I don't think, as everyone who was using the auto mode scored fine, as far as I know.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 13, 2015, 07:28:55 pm
I've had a number of super long days and the Etrex 10 never got to a point where it did not have enough capacity. I have mine on "more often".
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on April 13, 2015, 11:02:25 pm
A possible light in the tunnel

email from Amageza management.

*** snip ***
These electronics are currently allowed on your navigation tower/ instrument setup:

ICO Rallye VR Light
ICO Rallye CAP
RNS Trip-Master XL
RNS Compass-Repeater XL (Also only to be connected to a Garmin eTrex10)
Garmin eTrex 10
No mobile phones, tablets or any computer is allowed. If you are developing something similar to items 1-4, please get a sample to me to review and allow if possible.

*** Snap ***

As the basic design and functionality of the RockFox Trip-Cap unit is the same as the two ICO or the two RNS products rolled into one we contacted Amageza management with respect to evaluating our unit.  We will deliver a complete test unit (Trip and CAP) mid May for evaluation.

Herewith a snip of the document to Alexander

**** Snip ****
Availability warrantee and cost
Final proof of concept and preliminary testing was be completed by 20 February 2015.  The first system(s) must be ready for user evaluation by 30 April 2015.  First production units must be available 5  May 2015.  The first 10 units will carry a full replacement warrantee for one year. Future warrantee will cover factory defects only.  In order to reduce the setup cost for rallying the unit without GPS antenna/features must retail for around R2 500.00 and GPS module about R 1050.00 Vat incl. We aim to market the traditional Trip and CAP (trip with GPS) units as a set at a discounted price of about R 5 500.00 Vat incl.
**** Snap ****

As a further development: We will offer all Amageza riders who purchased a RockFox unit a no questions ask replacement service during the rally. (We will have a service van at the rally)

LASTLY. If we get the GPS units in as another bulk order the price can be slashed to:
Base unit with magnetic pickup for Trip/Speed and 3 button handlebar bracket:   R 1 600.00 incl VAT
Base unit with 48 channel high speed GPS built in base unit. (no external wires) Trip/Speed/Heading:  R 2 400.00 incl VAT
(Remember: both units do have EXACT functionality except the compass heading of the GPS on the Trip/Speed unit)

Please note, these prices are WAY below cost and are funded by the development project as we aim to sell the units in the global market. (Already started overseas negotiations)

So, you have two options, save money to buy an ICO or RNS but put the actual purchase on hold till we get feedback from Amageza management.  If it is a YES you can buy a roadbook etc with the change.  If it is a NO you will at MAX lose on the  exchange rate fluctuation.

We are continuing the development and refining of the units so that they will be available immediately if approved. (hopefully end of May) If we can not get approval for 2015 Amageza we will in any event send a few units out for evaluation overseas.

Let's make rallying more cost effective!!!!

Adie and the rockfox team
079-5243884





Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on April 14, 2015, 09:04:08 am
 Dankie vir info !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: B2B on April 14, 2015, 12:27:18 pm
Looks very neat,sturdy and robust that's whats needed.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on April 14, 2015, 04:27:55 pm
REF the Etrex 10

Problem is - as was discussed at length during the build up to last years amageza...... you are fined time on missing waypoints.... lots of time relatively. There is an area around that waypoint that your GPS MUST lay down a breadcrumb / point within.
Say now you are doing 150km/hr..... to get a point within that diameter of the waypoint, it needs to be every second.
One can assume that on "auto most often", that it increased the frequency of points the faster you go.... but how exactly?
There were a lot of moans and complaints about time penalties. You don't want to be doubting that your GPS let you down.
IMO
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 14, 2015, 05:26:04 pm
I know that's the theory, it just didn't seem to work like that in practice. Maybe cause waypoints are generally at stops or in slow speed areas? Either way... everyone's in the same boat! Let's hope the timing debacle of last year is a thing of the past with this standardization.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 14, 2015, 06:30:06 pm
REF the Etrex 10

Problem is - as was discussed at length during the build up to last years amageza...... you are fined time on missing waypoints.... lots of time relatively. There is an area around that waypoint that your GPS MUST lay down a breadcrumb / point within.
Say now you are doing 150km/hr..... to get a point within that diameter of the waypoint, it needs to be every second.
One can assume that on "auto most often", that it increased the frequency of points the faster you go.... but how exactly?
There were a lot of moans and complaints about time penalties. You don't want to be doubting that your GPS let you down.
IMO

I had 9 minutes worth of penalties for Amageza last year.  You just have to ride to the speed your GPS can think.  In my case, fortunately, that's pretty slowly.  The good point about the Etrex 10 is that it doesn't pick up a momentary transgression of the speed limit.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on April 14, 2015, 09:46:17 pm
Hi,
During my research on how the GPS software 'actually' work I did a lot of research on the actual data saved (Or ultimately 'exported') as gpx file.

In some sense I can see the need for the 'one reading per second' requirement.  It will ultimately give the 'most accurate' route of the participant. (within the dreaded 3m accuracy of unprocessed GPS data).  It is a 'standard' that will stand in all arguments (even in court  ;) ) as most common GPS aerials out there receive the (same) NMEA code at 1 second intervals. I did not test the new generation of high speed aerials as there are no benefit from the 'additional' data except that the software can make better 'average position calculations' at a moer of an extra financial and processing cost.

The Garmin Zumo 350 use a very nifty optimization process to reduce points saved. It seems as it saves the GPS info if 1) the heading change or 2) the distance exceed 750 (odd) meters.  I did not really search for 'additional' criteria like a time limit.  the problem with this for 'management purposes' is that you do not have an 'exact' reference to the trip. (I might be shot for this but....) If I use the Zumo gpx file and calculate the distance traveled I've seen readings deviate as much as 5 meters in 700m. The closer the readings the more accurate (or closer) answers I got.

Soooo. How accurate are the common off the shelf GPS distance calcs ???  I can tell you this, I hate to know how much time I spent to get the Rockfox Trip-Cap distance calcs to match the Zumo. So who is right (or maybe more right, or is it 'less wrong' under slow speed where the 3m 'resolution' can play havoc with the distance.

At the end of the day we as participants all need a trust-able reference.  If the eTrex 10 have the storage capacity for the special it is the 'standard'.  Amageza management need to start somewhere to 'control' the navigation reporting and end the disparity of information.  I will get an eTrex 10 this week and put it under some strain.

As a side note for the thecnofreaks.
This is a snip of the gpx file.
*** Snip ***
      <trkpt lat="-24.772728988900781" lon="30.162664968520403">
        <ele>756.21000000000004</ele>
        <time>2014-07-04T11:52:44Z</time>
      </trkpt>
      <trkpt lat="-24.772905008867383" lon="30.162576958537102">
        <ele>756.21000000000004</ele>
        <time>2014-07-04T11:53:07Z</time>
      </trkpt>
      <trkpt lat="-24.772974997758865" lon="30.162542006000876">
        <ele>756.69000000000005</ele>
        <time>2014-07-04T11:53:08Z</time>
*** Snap ***
 
Depending on the processor (8/16/32 bits) the minimum size of the 'long' variable type is 32 bits (3 bytes)  this means that the
minimum bytes required to save one point is about 12 to 16 bytes and 24 hours can thus be saved in (24*60*60*16)  = 1382400 bytes (Just more than 1Mb -  1048576 bytes)

All other info are calculated again during import.

Enjoy

Adie

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye - updated infomation
Post by: wayneh on April 15, 2015, 03:59:39 pm
Its been a long time since an update on Amageza Rallye 2015. Much has happened over the last eight weeks, which has helped clarify this year's general rallye route.

Alexander and the recce team are still in Botswana, so we'll be looking at a further update detailing the bivouac towns and support team routes by early May.


The three key points to note:

- We will be starting and ending in Kimberley this year. The Northern Cape regional tourism body is assisting in arranging a great venue, and lots of local support.

- We have decided to save the inclusion of Namibia to 2016/17. There is just too much spectacular terrain and wildlife for us to see in Botswana this year, to try and squeeze Namibia into the route... We won't be able to do Namibia justice this year. One less border crossing for a 7-day rally will also be welcome for all - particularly teams and competitors.

- You will note that we have not listed quads in the category of rally vehicles as yet. We are still working on including the quad guys... it is 90% achieved, but will only be able to 100% confirm in May.

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International Team/Competitors:

I cannot name names, since they are not confirmed as yet, but we may be joined by some inspiring international rally teams this year.

Subsidised freight packages for international competitors have been arranged with our official 2015 Amageza Rallye freight partner, JK Kok Logistics. They will be providing freight from both Rotterdam and Perth, and can assist with crating of the vehicles if required.

So bearing in mind that a consignment contains 4 rally bikes (not less or more), the freight cost estimate from Rotterdam to Johannesburg, and return from Durban to Rotterdam, would be:

1. Team supplies their bikes to Rotterdam, without crates:
- Import: is R 55 753.78
- Export: is R 20 061.52
Equals: R 75 815.30 (excluding VAT, or any additional cost due to the carnet inspection)
or R 18 953.83 per bike

2. Team supplies bikes to Rotterdam, in their own crates, with fumigation certificates:
- Import: R 55 753.78 (minus the packing & crating cost of R 28 441.85) is R 27 311.93
- Export: is R 20 061.52
Equals: R 47 373.45 (excluding VAT, or any additional cost due to the carnet inspection)
or R 11 843.37 per bike


And the freight cost for 4 rally bikes from Perth to Johannesburg, and return from Durban to Perth, would be:

3. Team supplies their bikes to Perth, without crates:
- Import: is R 62 236.27
- Export: is R 17 080.16
Equals: R 79 316.43 (excluding VAT, or any additional cost due to the carnet inspection)
or R 19 829.11 per bike

4. Team supplies bikes to Perth, in their own crates, with fumigation certificates:
- Import: R 62 236.27 (minus the packing & crating cost of R 31 297.35) is R 30 938.92
- Export: is R 17 080.16
Equals: R 48 019.08 (excluding VAT, or any additional cost due to the carnet inspection)
or R 12 004.77 per bike


The dates when teams/competitors much drop off their bikes/crates in Rotterdam or Perth will be confirmed shortly.

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Track Recording System

We will not be making use of the French rallye waypoint and tracking system... the exchange rate has just made this too costly to pass this onto competitors, while still being able to run a high-value, low-cost rallye for everyone. The operations team has addressed the challenges experienced last year, and we're very confident that the standardisation of the route recording device and the use of an in-field timing system (alleviating the need for cellular or satellite connectivity) will make the result processing quick and easy. All competitors will need to use the Garmin etrax 10 for the recording of their tracks - this device is super cheap, very durable, perfectly setup for our needs, and is simple to use/read (for waypoints, heading etc).

Alexander will answer any questions regarding what is required for competitors as soon as he's back from Botswana (early May).

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From the Recce Team

Some important information from Alexander and the recce team:
- Navigation is very challenging this year
- Botswana has long stages without any sign of civilisation (and no fences)
- Besides every kind of terrain you could think of, there are also beautiful expanses of Kalahari desert dunes
- We're working on having no gates to open or close during all race sections
- Competitors will need to keep an eye out for the game... everything, including the big-5
- There will possibly be two marathon stages this year
- The recce team is plotting the route so that teams will be able to route to bivouacs using main roads

This is probably one of the most cost-effective international rallies worldwide. And the only rally I know of where you can race for 4000 km alongside the world's big-5 wildlife.


Two thing I seriously advise competitors to bring...
- Arm protectors against thorn bushes (for the bike riders) would be handy for at least two of the stages, and
- A action camera, since your friends and family are just not going to believe your stories.

Bring it on!!!

Cheers,
Wayne
 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on April 15, 2015, 04:06:01 pm
WoooooHoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on April 15, 2015, 05:02:56 pm

 Yippeeeeeee!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on April 15, 2015, 08:02:38 pm
Cant wait. Are they still going to supply the Etrex 10 or must we buy our own?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 15, 2015, 08:13:04 pm
Cant wait. Are they still going to supply the Etrex 10 or must we buy our own?

Gee S, I'm awaiting Alexander to confirm this  :deal:  Will let you know as soon as I've received his 'smoke signal' reply from the Botswana bush veld.  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 15, 2015, 08:51:21 pm
Cant wait. Are they still going to supply the Etrex 10 or must we buy our own?

Okay... As in the latest REGS at http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf (http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf)

Section 19, point C...
i.  Every entrant shall be issued a GPS, a handlebar mount, and a 12V connector to supply constant power to the device directly from the battery.
ii. The issued GPS MUST BE MOUNTED CENTRALLY ON THE HANDLEBAR, and in a SAFE place in a car.
iii. Entrants are allowed an extra GPS.
iv. The only allowed GPS for the 2015 event is a Garmin eTrex 10, or the Trailtech Voyager. NO OTHER GPS WILL BE ALLOWED.


Eeish... just received an urgent message from Alexander...

Sorry, you DO need to bring your own Etrax 10. It is NOT ISSUED by the organisers.  :-[  Apologies guys.
I have either read the Regs wrong, or have a slightly older copy.  :lamer:   But the true is you will need to get yourself an Etrax 10... So if you currently don't have, it maybe a good idea to contact bonova about is current group buy.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on April 15, 2015, 09:13:44 pm
Well I am disappointed.  I was looking forward to Namibia.

Also without the tracking system we will probably require satellite phones.

The eTrax 10 is already an unexpected additional expenditure.   I understand the reasoning behind it, but take note that it is possible to load street maps on the device by replacing the base map files.  Unfortunately it is easy to cheat on the system and we will have to rely on the integrity of the riders.

Nevertheless I love Botswana and it's people and can't wait for 29 August.

Ready to Race!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on April 15, 2015, 09:36:11 pm
Thanks Wayne. That is very good news :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on April 15, 2015, 09:48:13 pm
So we dont have to buy a Etrex10?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on April 15, 2015, 11:36:26 pm
Not ending in Cape Town is a bit of a bummer.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BV on April 16, 2015, 06:07:04 am
Not ending in Cape Town is a bit of a bummer.



x2
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on April 16, 2015, 06:40:49 am
Sounds epic  :'(
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on April 16, 2015, 08:10:09 am
I think ending where you start is great - it means lone riders can trailer bikes, do the rallye and trailer home - no need for support.

This alone makes this years race the same price as last years, if not cheaper - certainly would be in my case.

A big boost for the non-cape based riders.

In hindsight maybe I shoulda entered - but commited elsewhere now  :'(
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 16, 2015, 08:58:35 am
So we dont have to buy a Etrex10?

Nope. One will be issued to you, with a handlebar mount.  :thumleft:
You must have pre-installed a 12v electric point to your handlebars before scrutineering.

Although... Having your own GPS as a backup would be a good comfort.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on April 16, 2015, 09:07:05 am
So we dont have to buy a Etrex10?

Nope. One will be issued to you, with a handlebar mount.  :thumleft:
You must have pre-installed a 12v electric point to your handlebars before scrutineering.

Although... Having your own GPS as a backup would be a good comfort.
What type of power point do we need? Would a normal lighter socket work?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on April 16, 2015, 10:10:14 am
Cant wait. Are they still going to supply the Etrex 10 or must we buy our own?

Okay... As in the latest REGS at http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf (http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf)

Section 19, point C...
i.  Every entrant shall be issued a GPS, a handlebar mount, and a 12V connector to supply constant power to the device directly from the battery.
ii. The issued GPS MUST BE MOUNTED CENTRALLY ON THE HANDLEBAR, and in a SAFE place in a car.
iii. Entrants are allowed an extra GPS.
iv. The only allowed GPS for the 2015 event is a Garmin eTrex 10, or the Trailtech Voyager. NO OTHER GPS WILL BE ALLOWED.

 :thumleft:



Two of my team members have already gone and purchased the prescribed eTrax10 ? 

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on April 16, 2015, 10:30:56 am
Cant wait. Are they still going to supply the Etrex 10 or must we buy our own?

Okay... As in the latest REGS at http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf (http://media.wix.com/ugd/d7abc3_306115e05731493dac4a6d620dbfd64d.pdf)

Section 19, point C...
i.  Every entrant shall be issued a GPS, a handlebar mount, and a 12V connector to supply constant power to the device directly from the battery.
ii. The issued GPS MUST BE MOUNTED CENTRALLY ON THE HANDLEBAR, and in a SAFE place in a car.
iii. Entrants are allowed an extra GPS.
iv. The only allowed GPS for the 2015 event is a Garmin eTrex 10, or the Trailtech Voyager. NO OTHER GPS WILL BE ALLOWED.

 :thumleft:



Two of my team members have already gone and purchased the prescribed eTrax10 ? 



So did I, bracket and all!!!  Mounted and ready to use!!!    :-\
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 16, 2015, 10:48:47 am
Ditto. This constant chop and change is frustrating. What else is going to change between now and the start? Only four months away...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 16, 2015, 11:06:13 am
I'm not sure of the wisdom of running the eTrex 10 on external power.  To access the usb port, you will have to remove the waterproofing cover.  The unit will then not be water or dust resistant.  There is nothing that will hold the usb plug in place.

I've ran mine last year of one set of lithium batteries.   
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on April 16, 2015, 11:29:26 am
I'm not sure of the wisdom of running the eTrex 10 on external power.  To access the usb port, you will have to remove the waterproofing cover.  The unit will then not be water or dust resistant.  There is nothing that will hold the usb plug in place.

I've ran mine last year of one set of lithium batteries.   

Not dust and waterproof I agree with you but the Rost bracket has a small plate preventing the usb from disconnecting.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 16, 2015, 12:07:58 pm
The Etrex is better on power than batteries according to Alex. Mine was handlebar mounted in a Rost last year on batteries and cut out several times. The vibration moves the batteries in the compartment and power is lost. I can see the logic of one on the bars on power and a second in the backpack on batteries.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on April 16, 2015, 01:35:06 pm
So, fixed water is not mandatory!?!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on April 16, 2015, 01:53:33 pm

 Wat van n bietjie sweet , dit het sout en ander mimerale by ?
 Lekker Koos, LOL.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 16, 2015, 02:10:46 pm
The Etrex is better on power than batteries according to Alex. Mine was handlebar mounted in a Rost last year on batteries and cut out several times. The vibration moves the batteries in the compartment and power is lost. I can see the logic of one on the bars on power and a second in the backpack on batteries.

The way I do water crossings, I'll maar ensure I have a sealed battery driven unit somewhere as well.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on April 16, 2015, 02:13:32 pm
The Etrex is better on power than batteries according to Alex. Mine was handlebar mounted in a Rost last year on batteries and cut out several times. The vibration moves the batteries in the compartment and power is lost. I can see the logic of one on the bars on power and a second in the backpack on batteries.

The way I do water crossings, I'll maar ensure I have a sealed battery driven unit somewhere as well.

Goeie plan!!!
Ek gaan ook so maak;  Een klaar reg met batterye, net aan sit en ry.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on April 16, 2015, 02:14:34 pm

 Wat van n bietjie sweet , dit het sout en ander mimerale by ?
 Lekker Koos, LOL.

  :o :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on April 16, 2015, 04:51:48 pm
Jeez glad I haven't ordered my GPS yet.... but might order one as back up?!
I have a rubber mounted place on my tower - no space on the bars due to routing of cables etc, and Need to see CAP reading off the GPS. I agree that the batt option worked best for me, but without the rubber mount the GPS vibrates and does give issues... Best might be external power and set to not turn off if ext power is lost.
Must the power supply on the bike be standard 12V car or Hella plug?

On the Kimberly side - jeez I'm chuffed. You guys in CT have had it easy since day one! Try driving from KZN to CT!
Central spot to leave vehicles is awesome for malle moto.

And whats this about water on the bike?
Think we need a Final regulations as soon as possible.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on April 16, 2015, 08:29:40 pm
I think ending where you start is great - it means lone riders can trailer bikes, do the rallye and trailer home - no need for support.

This alone makes this years race the same price as last years, if not cheaper - certainly would be in my case.

A big boost for the non-cape based riders.

In hindsight maybe I shoulda entered - but commited elsewhere now  :'(
enter
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 16, 2015, 08:39:25 pm
Eeish... just received an urgent message from Alexander...

Sorry, you DO need to bring your own Etrax 10. It is NOT ISSUED by the organisers.  :-[  Apologies guys.
I have either read the Regs wrong, or have a slightly older copy.  :lamer:   But the truth is you will need to get yourself an Etrax 10... So if you currently don't have, it maybe a good idea to contact bonova about is current group buy.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on April 16, 2015, 08:56:44 pm
Eeish... just received an urgent message from Alexander...

Sorry, you DO need to bring your own Etrax 10. It is NOT ISSUED by the organisers.  :-[  Apologies guys.
I have either read the Regs wrong, or have a slightly older copy.  :lamer:   But the true is you will need to get yourself an Etrax 10... So if you currently don't have, it maybe a good idea to contact bonova about is current group buy.


And Sat phone or emergency beacon? Do we have to rent this?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BV on April 16, 2015, 08:58:41 pm
Wayne. Is it possible to make a short and sweet rule change sheet of all rule changes from last year.
If I am correct so far.

1. You need Etrex 10. Buy your own Etrex 10.
No other GPS will do.

2. 2L of water fixed to bike. Not in a bag on your bike but in tank in bash plate etc.

3. No tools on rider. All tools must be fitted to bike.

Sorry but I have mailed Alex a few times now for the rules and still do not have the final rules.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 16, 2015, 09:32:01 pm
Wayne. Is it possible to make a short and sweet rule change sheet of all rule changes from last year.
If I am correct so far.

1. You need Etrex 10. Buy your own Etrex 10.
No other GPS will do.

2. 2L of water fixed to bike. Not in a bag on your bike but in tank in bash plate etc.

3. No tools on rider. All tools must be fitted to bike.

Sorry but I have mailed Alex a few times now for the rules and still do not have the final rules.

Have you entered yet?  Answers to all those questions have already been e-mailed to me.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BV on April 17, 2015, 06:04:08 am
Wayne. Is it possible to make a short and sweet rule change sheet of all rule changes from last year.
If I am correct so far.

1. You need Etrex 10. Buy your own Etrex 10.
No other GPS will do.

2. 2L of water fixed to bike. Not in a bag on your bike but in tank in bash plate etc.

3. No tools on rider. All tools must be fitted to bike.

Sorry but I have mailed Alex a few times now for the rules and still do not have the final rules.

Have you entered yet?  Answers to all those questions have already been e-mailed to me.
Yes, have entered. We are 4 guy's that I know of that entered and are the same boat as me.
Title: Re:
Post by: Crossed-up on April 20, 2015, 12:47:56 pm
The Supplementary Regs are downloadable from the entry page.
Other Regs are all available from the MSA site.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: wayneh on April 21, 2015, 08:04:25 am
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“With this being the 5th year of running the southern African cross-country rally, our 4000km race route is planned to cross South African and Botswana borders – making this the 3rd longest cross-country rally in the world,” said Alexander Nel. “We have received team and competitor enquiries from the Netherlands, France, Spain, Germany, the U.K., and as far afield as Australia. In order for us to provide a world-class rally package for our expected 150 local and international competitors, we set out to partner with the most accomplished, specialised automotive freight company in southern Africa.”

“Our team of freight professionals in South Africa and around the world, are hard at work to plan and execute a seamless freight solution to transport millions of rands worth of high-tech rally vehicles from Europe and Australia to the 2015 Amageza Rallye start in Kimberley, in August,” said Mr Jason Kok. “This is the kind of unique freight challenge that JK KOK Logistics has built an enviable international reputation solving. We look forward to assisting the 2015 Amageza Rallye organisational team in welcoming the international rally competitors to our beautiful continent.”

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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on April 21, 2015, 08:07:46 am
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Awesome!! 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AlexRG on April 21, 2015, 06:35:20 pm
Hi guys,

Anyone out there doing it on a Honda XR650L???

Need some tips / advice on what mods have been done to your bike and who supplied your parts to meet all the scrutineering requirements?

-Worrying mostly about sourcing and fitting the navigation equipment without having a rally fairing.
-Where to put the extra water?
-12v socket to power everything?
-Would my 23L Acerbis fuel tank suffice?
-Anybody running a steering damper?
-Better headlight?

Any advice will help, as it will help sway the decission to enter! :-)

I can take the leave from work, got budget, am fit, got a strong bike... just not sure of all the mods to the bike which seems like a nightmare for a first time pilot.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 21, 2015, 07:50:56 pm
Don't get me wrong, I love Honda XR's.  But I think that an L will be too much work unless you are on top of your game.  They tend to suck both in the dune climbing sections as well as in rocks.  Amageza is more XRR territory if you do insist on something big and red.  But it certainly is doable.  I suggest you PM Lood PB, he has done Amageza previously on an L and last year on a WR450. He will be able to give you a sound opinion.

In terms of mods - remove the passenger footpegs.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on April 21, 2015, 07:56:57 pm
Your bike is similar to mine last year  - I had a KLR with a modified front end


Some ideas if I was doing it again

Nav equipment can be attached to the handlebars but fit ICO above RB holder, not on bars
xtra water can be hard fastened to your carrier or make a special bash-plate, like the others
12v socket is ok but any 12v supply will do
I had a 23L tank and ran out on day 1 last year - but I think my tank was not full when I started, I was arrogant enough to think I had more than enough for a short day. All other days I had no problems. I expect to get 300km out of a tank in hard riding.
steering damper nice but not needed, sand is easy to ride, there's just lots of it.
Add a 10/15W LED spotlight alongside your existing headlight - will only be needed if you're lost and then you won't be moving at high speed anyway.

I reckon a XRL is a great bike to do it on - not a winner but an easy finisher - bulletproof is a great leveler. If I'd entered, I'd be doing it on the KLR again.

some pics: - during the build

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y307/knoxrob/KLR650/20140308_180411.jpg) (http://s1024.photobucket.com/user/knoxrob/media/KLR650/20140308_180411.jpg.html)

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y307/knoxrob/KLR650/20140308_180400.jpg) (http://s1024.photobucket.com/user/knoxrob/media/KLR650/20140308_180400.jpg.html)

finished product - LED not fitted but I mounted it next to my headlight, on the fairing

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y307/knoxrob/20141010_200843.jpg) (http://s1024.photobucket.com/user/knoxrob/media/20141010_200843.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on April 21, 2015, 08:35:36 pm
Hey ALexRG,

I agree with Cracker, your bike is more than able , as long as you are physically and mentally fit. You will be able to do it. :thumleft:
If you know your bike you will be sorted. LoopSoosStroop did it on his TTR and had no real issues :thumleft:
Go fo the Rally Lite version, everything on the handle bars , easy setup and less pricey ;)

See you there  :thumleft: :thumleft: 8)
 
Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 21, 2015, 08:37:37 pm
Handlebar clamps are the way to go. If you look at most international rallies people are using rally-lite setups. Fully faired bikes are for Dakar or fully pro race teams. I use a handlebar-mounted system on my 450 XCW and I'd even go that route on a 690. Speak to Chris at Flying Brick or make it yourself. Rockfox have cheap ICO gear available. Last year a KLR, a low tech 250 and other non-prestigious bikes finished - I see no reason why an L or even a DR couldn't do it.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 21, 2015, 11:29:13 pm
Great to see all the time and effort going into prepping the bikes and routes for this years event.

Hope to meet you all in August!

One of the Dutchies
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 22, 2015, 06:50:54 am
Great to see all the time and effort going into prepping the bikes and routes for this years event.

Hope to meet you all in August!

One of the Dutchies

Welcome Dutchie!

Send us some info about yourself and pix of your bike. You'll have some friends already when you arrive!  :thumleft:

cheers,
Ian
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on April 22, 2015, 09:29:22 am
Great to see all the time and effort going into prepping the bikes and routes for this years event.

Hope to meet you all in August!

One of the Dutchies

Hi Dutchie, hope you enjoy your stay here :thumleft: This is a great site with even greater people. And like the Panda said please post some photos of your bike.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 22, 2015, 08:18:57 pm
Excellent!

You'll mostly find me running around my little 2stroke somewhere in Europe

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/5857_578059792216056_1926304910_n.jpg?oh=0092d13cb188c291e2b0ae8d31704a98&oe=55D016D3)

But the plan is to take the old KTM out of retirement for the Amageza, it's the only thing I have that will hold enough fuel for a longer day :)

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1377590_10201149002941850_1386359504_n.jpg?oh=11a8e1a4f8e06d948a3505dd46d951ae&oe=55A35332)

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on April 22, 2015, 08:46:28 pm
That will be PERFECT dutchie!!

See you there!! :thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on April 22, 2015, 09:35:55 pm

 MMMM ...  dinge gebeur !
 "time is few"
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AlexRG on April 22, 2015, 10:19:40 pm
Thanks for the advice guys, will see what I can come up with regards to the Nav equipment. Waiting to hear from Desert Lizard! I hope things can fall into place. My adventures in life have been mostly in remote mountain ranges climbing big mountains, but a break from snow and glaciers seem a good idea for 2015.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on April 23, 2015, 04:29:21 pm
Excellent!

You'll mostly find me running around my little 2stroke somewhere in Europe

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/5857_578059792216056_1926304910_n.jpg?oh=0092d13cb188c291e2b0ae8d31704a98&oe=55D016D3)


Nice Dutchie! You go rallying on a 2-stroke?? That's adventurous - how does it hold up? That a Beta?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on April 24, 2015, 06:17:03 am
Howzit Dutchie
Good luck with all the logistics, see you soon in Kimberly. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 24, 2015, 12:11:15 pm
Excellent!

You'll mostly find me running around my little 2stroke somewhere in Europe

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/5857_578059792216056_1926304910_n.jpg?oh=0092d13cb188c291e2b0ae8d31704a98&oe=55D016D3)


Nice Dutchie! You go rallying on a 2-stroke?? That's adventurous - how does it hold up? That a Beta?

The Beta runs well! Up to my 2nd now, racking up the K's. 2Strokes are no fun on long straights, wether tarmac or offroad, anywhere in between they are great fun!! Nimble with a lot of easy to use power down low and a nice rush should you wish to ride harder and faster. So light when compared to a 4T.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 24, 2015, 12:12:20 pm
Howzit Dutchie
Good luck with all the logistics, see you soon in Kimberly. :thumleft:

Woot woot!

We have our 'crates' sorted, meeting Garth Roberts in France next week to go through some of the other stuff.

It's all coming together nicely so far.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on April 25, 2015, 09:11:50 am
how many Dutch riders are expected this year?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 25, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
how many Dutch riders are expected this year?

I think we have 4 confirmed, Simon and Guillaume returning, Robert en myself there for the first time.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 25, 2015, 08:04:13 pm
Great
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on April 25, 2015, 10:40:54 pm
how many Dutch riders are expected this year?

I think we have 4 confirmed, Simon and Guillaume returning, Robert en myself there for the first time.

Awesome!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on April 29, 2015, 04:06:44 pm
Eager eager eager, hard to wait  :patch: :lamer:

Still need to book a doctors appointed though for that physical test so I can get my licenses issued (paid mostly)...  :lol8:
Title: Re:
Post by: Crossed-up on May 02, 2015, 03:27:47 pm
Those thorns are waiting to catch you!
Title: Re:
Post by: tehdutchie on May 03, 2015, 07:10:30 pm
Those thorns are waiting to catch you!

That bad? Recommendations? A thicker enduro jacket VS a lighter rally version?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 03, 2015, 08:18:35 pm
It will depend on the temperatures and how far north we go, I suppose.  That time of year, southern Botswana can still be pretty cold, the northern part will be warm to hot.  You might actually have to consider arm gaiters with an MX jersey for some stages, I'm not sure how heat tolerant you are?
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 04, 2015, 09:22:21 pm
Definitely get thorn sleeves. It is cold in the morning but hot during the day. No worse than what we had at Surherland. Some guys ride with plastic bags over the gloves or surgical gloves under their riding gloves until it warms up. I would go with a thinner jacket. A thick jacket with thorn sleeves would be too much.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 04, 2015, 09:56:17 pm
What the hell are thorn sleaves?
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 05, 2015, 05:39:38 am
High duty nylon type sleeves that you buy from a place like EMD racing that you wear over your jacket sleeves. It's a must for Botswana. Raced there a couple of times and if you are going into virgin territory you will cry after the first 100km. It's just thorn bushes everywhere.I would also highly recommend bigger hand guards for your bike and really thick gloves. Don't attempt it with mx gloves. You will be picking thorns out of your knuckles!
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 05, 2015, 05:44:22 am
Xkulcha also makes a good pair. Google them.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 05, 2015, 07:54:57 am
Has anyone had any word on the status of cars at Amageza? I've had ongoing concerns about being Giniel de Villiers and his pals tearing past in their big, superfast racing cars, with not a Sentinel in sight. As much as I like watching them at Dakar, I'm not sure I want to share a sand track with them. I'm sure Alex has got better things to do out in the Botswana bush right now than to answer emails about this, so was wondering if anyone knew the latest?

Just had a look at the Amageza website, and it appears to be the same as last year - there's a class G http://www.amageza.com/#!rallye-light-vehicle/c24o6 (http://www.amageza.com/#!rallye-light-vehicle/c24o6) for side-be-sides, but no cars. No quads either, from what I can make out.

That how it stands?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on May 05, 2015, 10:37:27 am
Alexander is back from the bush, and is now up-country having meetings with all sorts of folk. In about a week's time we should have the final word on cars. In any case, if we actually do have cars, it will be just a very few, and every effort will be made to keep them completely separate from the bikes. Much of the specials are way too tight for safe sharing.

On the quad issue things are a bit clearer. South African legislation has marginalized "quadrucycles" to the extent of making it unambiguously illegal to ride them on public roads, unless the event has direct ministerial permission. Even then they would need to have police escort etc etc, making liaisons all but impossible. It is theoretically, just maybe, possible to ride a foreign-registered quad on our roads for a period of 30 days, but try telling that to the border policeman!

There were a few vehicles at last year's event that had slightly "irregular" registrations. We might have thought we were very clever, but none of this passed notice by the traffic authorities who chose to extend some lenience. We cannot take this for granted this year, particularly with border crossings in mind.

As things stand we will be relying heavily on the co-operation of several authorities. We have to play our part by following their rules and show willing and gratitude if we want the event to continue to grow and flourish.
Title: Re:
Post by: Scooterbike on May 05, 2015, 11:07:18 am
High duty nylon type sleeves that you buy from a place like EMD racing that you wear over your jacket sleeves. It's a must for Botswana. Raced there a couple of times and if you are going into virgin territory you will cry after the first 100km. It's just thorn bushes everywhere.I would also highly recommend bigger hand guards for your bike and really thick gloves. Don't attempt it with mx gloves. You will be picking thorns out of your knuckles!
Nothing is virgin once Alex was there...
 :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on May 05, 2015, 11:27:23 am
 . . and add big hand guards to.
 moet nie verras wees as die dorings deur die hand guard plastiek steek nie !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on May 05, 2015, 12:41:28 pm
Can we please have the final word on the water that must be fixed to the bike from the racew organisers? There seems to be some confusion, some say we do and some say we don't. ???

I really do not want to import a bashplate with a water bottle at a cost of more than R5000-00 if it is not compulsory?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 06, 2015, 09:36:05 pm
Hi
Gee S, I think it is clearly set out in the current "Provisional race guide" as on 8 April 2015.
(See pictures.)

I said it before, we need to READ the required docs.  Amageza management need to set a standard (whether we like it or not) to even out the playing field and to pave the way for the future. Amageza is also 'more technical' every year. (Read how many riders ran out of water in 2014)  I could not put my finger on the reg now but FIM also state that the'extra 2 L' water must be permanently fixed on the bike AND BE REACHED FROM ANY POSITION. That got me thinking: What if you stray just 20 meters off course and land in a ditch with a movement limiting injury and the bike is in an akward position, how to get to the 'fixed' water if it is only accessible from one side? NOTE: I do not have an answer, as said it got me thinking.

Many years ago when I was still young and stupid an old toppie said: Safety first, the rest does not matter.  I think in a dangerous sport like this it is paramount. (Also read the thread about tools on the body. (forbidden in cross country rallies due to safety)

As we are building a rally bike from scratch we are even more cautious about the rules to ensure the bike will pass scruteneering. (Look at last picture- from FIM 2015 regulations as referred to in Amageza guide.)  I am not sure I understand ALL the meanings of the drawing (footpeg???)  There are lots more to consider.

So, my long answer is actually simple, "It is all in the DOC's"

Adie



Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 06, 2015, 10:25:56 pm
Found the water detail info in reffered FIM rules.

Adie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on May 07, 2015, 07:27:44 am
Found the water detail info in reffered FIM rules.

Adie


From Official Amageza document Page 9 - recommended

4. Motorcycle:
a. Lighting and safety equipment
i. Lighting equipment for all categories must conform to the International Convention on road traffic.
ii. The original headlights and rear lights may be modified or replaced. Extra lights may be added. It is suggested that the entrant have suitable driving lights for the
    race days that may run into darkness.
iii. Each vehicle must be equipped with at least :
   
    1. A front light (min 55 watts or equivalent in ‘lumen’). (2 for 4 wheel vehicles)
    2. Highly recommended but not mandatory, a backlight for the roadbook.
    3. A homologated rear lamp with stop light.(2 for 4 wheel vehicles)
    4. Recommended but not mandatory, a fog light (min 21 watts or equivalent
      in ‘lumen’), with a minimum legal surface, may be split into two parts andmay flash
    5. A generator with a recommended minimum performance of 140 watts
    6. An audible horn, minimum 90 dB/A, measured at one metre.
    7. Minimum one rear view mirror. (2 for 4 wheel vehicles)
    8. Highly recommended but not mandatory, a fixed water tank of at least 1
    litre per vehicle occupant/ rider
iv. All motorcycles, Side x Side's and Cars shall carry the necessary survival
equipment as requested in the CrossCountry
Rallies Appendices, Art. 081.23.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 07, 2015, 07:53:50 am
Adie - footpeg has minimum outside/inside radius of 8mm, perhaps?

So it doesn't stab you to death when you're falling down a mountain together.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 07, 2015, 11:19:41 am
@ Cracker,
That one I got, its the 50mm one.  Looks like the front axle to footpeg height.

Now, if you look at ANY rallye bike this distance is about 140 mm.  I love this game!!

Adie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 07, 2015, 07:55:06 pm
Front axle to footpeg height, when? It varies, doesn't it?

With or without a rider or when bottoming out, maybe?

Don't worry - doesn't make sense to me either .......................  ::)

And if the 690 doesn't fit those measurements, they're gonna lose half the field

Luckily, we're in good old SA, where this kind of kak can be brushed aside ............  :3some:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 07, 2015, 09:19:05 pm
Question for the boys that have done the Botswana races
If you had a choice of the 690 rally (real mccoy)or a lighter 450 rally light (not real rally), what bike would you prefer in that terrain and why?
or of course the 450 rally what I cannot afford
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 08, 2015, 07:35:33 am
Talk about spoilt for choice!  Can't help you though.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 08, 2015, 08:12:18 am
Talk about spoilt for choice!  Can't help you though.
Not spoilt, Just wondering if I had a choice. :ricky: What would it be.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on May 08, 2015, 12:00:58 pm
The liaisons are likely to be long. That could influence your decision. Personally, I'd go with the best power to weight ratio for the sand. If you spend less energy in the sand then a sore arse on the liaisons is worth it.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on May 08, 2015, 12:36:50 pm
The liaisons are likely to be long. That could influence your decision. Personally, I'd go with the best power to weight ratio for the sand. If you spend less energy in the sand then a sore arse on the liaisons is worth it.
+1
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 08, 2015, 02:26:49 pm
From what I saw last year the 690s climbed the dunes much easier than the 450s.  690s only became a liability when you crest. 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on May 08, 2015, 03:11:41 pm
It's a close thing between a 690 and a 450. What does a 690 in rally trim weigh - 155kg, and produces say 65 horses? That's about 0.42 horses per kilogram.
A 450 weighs something like 130kg and makes about 50 bhp - that's about 0.38 horses per kilo - about a 10% difference.  (Obviously these are thumbsuck numbers!)

But a KTM450 motor (in my very limited experience) seems to produce it's power in a fatter curve. When you're cresting a dune you really don't want to be in the upper rev range, but just coming off the power curve as you tap off when you crest. This might be why the 690s flew up and sometimes flew over, or, because they were going so fast, dug in at the top as the weight shifted onto the front wheel because they had to slow down too much. The 690 also carries more momentum at the top, making slowing even more difficult.  You can lug a KTM450 over the last meter or 2, and it won't dig in so easily. 690s are quite peaky and don't like lugging much.

As there are speed limits on all liaisons the extra legs of the 690 don't really matter. In the very open sections of the specials the 690s should score, but not by much. Amageza is not really about speed, but consistency and concentration. Given the choice I'd always go for the lighter bike. An extra 20kg becomes very tiring after a while. It remains a mystery to me how Rudi and Andrew managed to bring their 950s home.

I wonder which bike is a better platform for the rally instruments. Too much vibration renders them almost unreadable and the riding becomes harder as a result. What are the competitors' thoughts on this?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 08, 2015, 04:35:06 pm
It's a close thing between a 690 and a 450. What does a 690 in rally trim weigh - 155kg, and produces say 65 horses? That's about 0.42 horses per kilogram.
A 450 weighs something like 130kg and makes about 50 bhp - that's about 0.38 horses per kilo - about a 10% difference.  (Obviously these are thumbsuck numbers!)

But a KTM450 motor (in my very limited experience) seems to produce it's power in a fatter curve. When you're cresting a dune you really don't want to be in the upper rev range, but just coming off the power curve as you tap off when you crest. This might be why the 690s flew up and sometimes flew over, or, because they were going so fast, dug in at the top as the weight shifted onto the front wheel because they had to slow down too much. The 690 also carries more momentum at the top, making slowing even more difficult.  You can lug a KTM450 over the last meter or 2, and it won't dig in so easily. 690s are quite peaky and don't like lugging much.

As there are speed limits on all liaisons the extra legs of the 690 don't really matter. In the very open sections of the specials the 690s should score, but not by much. Amageza is not really about speed, but consistency and concentration. Given the choice I'd always go for the lighter bike. An extra 20kg becomes very tiring after a while. It remains a mystery to me how Rudi and Andrew managed to bring their 950s home.

I wonder which bike is a better platform for the rally instruments. Too much vibration renders them almost unreadable and the riding becomes harder as a result. What are the competitors' thoughts on this?

What about going through the thorn trees, snaking up riverbeds and the tighter sections and flatlands
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 08, 2015, 07:26:28 pm
It's a close thing between a 690 and a 450. What does a 690 in rally trim weigh - 155kg, and produces say 65 horses? That's about 0.42 horses per kilogram.
A 450 weighs something like 130kg and makes about 50 bhp - that's about 0.38 horses per kilo - about a 10% difference.  (Obviously these are thumbsuck numbers!)

But a KTM450 motor (in my very limited experience) seems to produce it's power in a fatter curve. When you're cresting a dune you really don't want to be in the upper rev range, but just coming off the power curve as you tap off when you crest. This might be why the 690s flew up and sometimes flew over, or, because they were going so fast, dug in at the top as the weight shifted onto the front wheel because they had to slow down too much. The 690 also carries more momentum at the top, making slowing even more difficult.  You can lug a KTM450 over the last meter or 2, and it won't dig in so easily. 690s are quite peaky and don't like lugging much.

As there are speed limits on all liaisons the extra legs of the 690 don't really matter. In the very open sections of the specials the 690s should score, but not by much. Amageza is not really about speed, but consistency and concentration. Given the choice I'd always go for the lighter bike. An extra 20kg becomes very tiring after a while. It remains a mystery to me how Rudi and Andrew managed to bring their 950s home.

I wonder which bike is a better platform for the rally instruments. Too much vibration renders them almost unreadable and the riding becomes harder as a result. What are the competitors' thoughts on this?


Have you done Amageza yet?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on May 08, 2015, 07:57:28 pm
Have you done Amageza yet?

He was one of the very first, in 2011 IIRC. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 08, 2015, 08:03:07 pm
Have you done Amageza yet?

He was one of the very first, in 2011 IIRC. :thumleft:

Amageza changed a lot after I did my first in 2012!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on May 08, 2015, 08:45:38 pm

Have you done Amageza yet?

You're a rider whose skill I admire.  A cheap shot like that does you no credit. I'm very closely involved with Amageza.  And I can ride a bit.

I don't seek your approval to express an opinion about bikes, about riding, or about your post.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: N[]vA on May 08, 2015, 09:16:08 pm

Have you done Amageza yet?

You're a rider whose skill I admire.  A cheap shot like that does you no credit. I'm very closely involved with Amageza.  And I can ride a bit.

I don't seek your approval to express an opinion about bikes, about riding, or about your post.
some what surprised by this...

PUI?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 08, 2015, 10:08:12 pm

Have you done Amageza yet?

You're a rider whose skill I admire.  A cheap shot like that does you no credit. I'm very closely involved with Amageza.  And I can ride a bit.

I don't seek your approval to express an opinion about bikes, about riding, or about your post.

By all means, I was not taking a cheap shot!!!  May sound like it but it is not in me to do that!  You got me all wrong.

Secondly, I have no need to give approval for anything.  I am merely trying to ride Amageza to the best of my ability.  And everyday, I still ask myself, am I riding well enough.

What my question comes down to is:  Seeing that you are expressing your opinions about bikes, about riding, please enlighten us which rally setup will be best for a 690?
I would realy like to know?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Firesquirrel on May 08, 2015, 10:42:12 pm

Have you done Amageza yet?

You're a rider whose skill I admire.  A cheap shot like that does you no credit. I'm very closely involved with Amageza.  And I can ride a bit.

I don't seek your approval to express an opinion about bikes, about riding, or about your post.
Well said !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 08, 2015, 10:56:29 pm
I think rider build and weight also play a big role.

Koos and B the B are both big chaps, I think the 690 suits them, and they will pick it up and manhandle it much easier.

For me a 450 is a much much better choice. I'm about 85 kg fully kitted up. 

Eddie, you are somewhere in between, difficult choice. I would rather err on the lighter side, i.e. 450. No modern 450 is going to struggle with any dune with your weight. Just rev it up properly.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 09, 2015, 05:44:24 am
There is of course the middle ground: 525/sorted 530.  Lighter than a 690, more torque than a 450.  Except for the gimmick value (in other words very small, just to beat Loopsoosstroop's attempt), I would rather take a big bike, like a 650/690 or even a 950SE.  If its tight, I slow down.  If its a river bed, I speed up.  If it a tree - well, it depends on the size of the tree.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 09, 2015, 09:20:13 am
I've always found my 650 much easier to ride in sand than my 450 - I'm not sure why. I prefer the 450 in every other way but for long sand, I feel more comfortable on the KLR.

Picking it up, though, is a bitch ..............

And stopping and starting at the gates was not so lekker - how did the other bikes feel at the gates?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 09, 2015, 11:26:07 am
690.  Start, 2nd gear, revs up, drop clutch, feet up, surf's up.  Stopping is an entirely different matter.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 09, 2015, 11:59:35 am
I've always found my 650 much easier to ride in sand than my 450 - I'm not sure why. I prefer the 450 in every other way but for long sand, I feel more comfortable on the KLR.

Picking it up, though, is a bitch ..............

And stopping and starting at the gates was not so lekker - how did the other bikes feel at the gates?
Gates and picking the bike up was a beeeeech with The HP2. Keeping the required momentum to keep the front floating in the tighter sandy twisties was also hard when I started getting tired(second half of specials)
That is why I am always worried that I might be over compensation now with the WR.
Title: Re:
Post by: darthvader on May 09, 2015, 12:17:55 pm
ktm 525...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on May 09, 2015, 04:51:16 pm
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It's for a good cause.
Title: Re: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 13, 2015, 09:17:42 pm
Question for the boys that have done the Botswana races
If you had a choice of the 690 rally (real mccoy)or a lighter 450 rally light (not real rally), what bike would you prefer in that terrain and why?
or of course the 450 rally what I cannot afford
Tough question but that is why we switched this year from the 690's to the 450's
Title: Re: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 14, 2015, 05:54:06 am
Question for the boys that have done the Botswana races
If you had a choice of the 690 rally (real mccoy)or a lighter 450 rally light (not real rally), what bike would you prefer in that terrain and why?
or of course the 450 rally what I cannot afford
Tough question but that is why we switched this year from the 690's to the 450's
Thanks Speedmetal
I am now happy with my choice of 450 rally light
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 15, 2015, 11:05:08 am
I have the 690 Enduro R.  What tower would be the best to put on for a rally setup?
Light but still strong enough to withstand some crashes.

I have the full fairing rally setup.


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 12:50:55 pm
Is daai n Omega toring?  Hulle breek as te veel wind hulle tref.

Grappie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on May 15, 2015, 01:19:12 pm
Ek soek ook nog na n tower vir n Rally Raid fairing. Dit is vrek duur om een in te voer
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 01:26:54 pm
Moenie n sussie wees nie  :biggrin:

Terwyl jy met hulle besigheid doen, bestel die suspensie linkage ook.  690s breek hulle maklik in resies kondisies.  Ek bestel myne die naweek, myne se een gat is al ovaal.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 15, 2015, 01:50:45 pm
Moenie n sussie wees nie  :biggrin:

Terwyl jy met hulle besigheid doen, bestel die suspensie linkage ook.  690s breek hulle maklik in resies kondisies.  Ek bestel myne die naweek, myne se een gat is al ovaal.

Rost.co.za het een en is baie goedkoper!!!    :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 02:07:37 pm
Hulle het net n lowering link.  Ek soek standard hoogte.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 15, 2015, 02:10:48 pm
Hulle het net n lowering link.  Ek soek standard hoogte.

Jammer, ek was seker Steve het laas my gewys hy het een.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2015, 02:28:12 pm
Ek soek ook nog na n tower vir n Rally Raid fairing. Dit is vrek duur om een in te voer

Why not this http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/ (http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/)

I use it on my 450, goes on 690, the HDPE damps vibration and he'll replace it if you break it. Really wonderful product! And a lot cheaper and lighter than full fairing. I'd definitely go that way with RR Evo2 tanks if I was doing another 690.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kTYV7eWIoXo/U6u8dqiwq5I/AAAAAAAAA1A/saFNp23bdOw/s1600/KTM690highwaydirtbikesfairing9.JPG)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 02:37:42 pm
Hulle het net n lowering link.  Ek soek standard hoogte.

Jammer, ek was seker Steve het laas my gewys hy het een.

Ek bel hom
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 15, 2015, 02:42:30 pm
Hulle het net n lowering link.  Ek soek standard hoogte.

Jammer, ek was seker Steve het laas my gewys hy het een.

Ek bel hom

Laat weet of hulle het, asb.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 15, 2015, 02:46:22 pm
Ek soek ook nog na n tower vir n Rally Raid fairing. Dit is vrek duur om een in te voer

Why not this http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/ (http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/)

I use it on my 450, goes on 690, the HDPE damps vibration and he'll replace it if you break it. Really wonderful product! And a lot cheaper and lighter than full fairing. I'd definitely go that way with RR Evo2 tanks if I was doing another 690.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kTYV7eWIoXo/U6u8dqiwq5I/AAAAAAAAA1A/saFNp23bdOw/s1600/KTM690highwaydirtbikesfairing9.JPG)

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 03:02:05 pm
Hulle het net n lowering link.  Ek soek standard hoogte.

Jammer, ek was seker Steve het laas my gewys hy het een.

Ek bel hom

Laat weet of hulle het, asb.

Female there recons that they have not, but if there is enough interest, Steve might make a batch.  I just need mine soon, so if there is no commitment by Monday, I'm importing.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on May 15, 2015, 03:41:19 pm
How much does it cost?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on May 15, 2015, 03:48:01 pm
Ek soek ook nog na n tower vir n Rally Raid fairing. Dit is vrek duur om een in te voer

Why not this http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/ (http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/)

I use it on my 450, goes on 690, the HDPE damps vibration and he'll replace it if you break it. Really wonderful product! And a lot cheaper and lighter than full fairing. I'd definitely go that way with RR Evo2 tanks if I was doing another 690.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kTYV7eWIoXo/U6u8dqiwq5I/AAAAAAAAA1A/saFNp23bdOw/s1600/KTM690highwaydirtbikesfairing9.JPG)

That looks very nice but I already have the fairing on and it uses the 990  headlight. To replace everything will just cost too much.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 15, 2015, 06:20:44 pm
How much does it cost?

R1700 for the drop link at Rost, R3100 for the std length link at Rally Raid
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 16, 2015, 12:45:23 am
Hello boys ngirlz  :wave:

Its been a while. Fantastic to see this thread pumping along and all the enthusiasm. This years Amageza route is going to be FANTASTIC!!!

690 vs 450 arguments: Koos ou boet, asking our longstanding, resident Amageza marshall if he has done a rally in respect of his technical comparison was not lekker and off the point. He rides very well, and provides sage, considered advice that is often worthwhile and meaningful to guys  - maybe not you? :dontknow:

I thought John's comments on the bike power to weight ratios were spot on.

690 - Better power, but more of a pig in the gnarly stuff.

450 - easier to ride, but lacks power with the additional rally weight. Add a big heavy rider like me to it and you will have limitations, but with a lower likelihood of killing yourself in a fast section.

This to me is a real danger of a 690. Its a brilliant racing bike, designed for riding gods - of which I am not. Gideon I believe will be on a 690 this year. I reckon he will win if he does enter.  They have a top speed which is awesome, but they fly off dune crests a lot further that any 450 would.

They may be a little slower in the tight and gnarly sections, like a thorny twisty track that you see in the Toyota 1000, but make up for it in the open areas. This is why Coma, Depres, et al. loved these bikes, and why they were so upset when Dakar made the 450 rule. But the 450 rule was made because the 690 is a lot of bike and amateurs like me can get hurt trying to race them.

I was so impressed with the level of riding skills I saw last year. Most of you guys are really excellent riders. So go with you guy making this decision. If you are good enough to mange the power of the bigger bike and the weight of picking it up 20 times and fighting it through a rocky river bed, then I would say "screw it just do it" and get the 690.

If you want to finish and are concerned about your skills, go for the smaller bike. Its really that simple.

BTW I LOVE MaxThePanda's fairing setup. Its simple and worked really well last year. I am not sure what this years Amageza rules say about the Iritracks/ERTF's, but if they are coming on that setup might not work so well. Having said that, the Australians have done a few Dakars on a similar setup, it just needs to be adapted to take the additional equipment.

******
The rest of this post is about me so if you're not interested please just ignore it.  :P



On my side its been work, work and more work. Moving to Spain screwed with my riding big time. You would think not, but I went through some hard times and had to sell all my bikes (except the Springbokkie). Sold our house in Lima. Never settled in Spain as planned. I'm still living in an small rental apartment. ::) And then to top if off I lost my job in April. At least this time I have some cash, so SteveD I'll be in touch with you soon about my Springbokkie.  ;D  :thumleft:

Thought long and hard about my attempt at the Amageza last year. My performance was a bit of an embarrassment, without any real preparation. And although I retired with a burnt clutch, I would have picked it up if I had been riding more often. Truth be told even if my clutch worked I doubt I would have made it through 3 days of riding. That first day in the sun really got to me. So after I got back to Spain, and straight into work again before the rest of you had even arrived in CT, I was kinda off rally after all that. Bummed I had to leave early, bummed I was not fit enough, bummed that I allowed myself to get heat exhaustion on the first day. Pleased I somehow got a 25th place on that day (apparently) after all the drama of that day though. Seeing I started about last, I was pleased with that.

I was so chuffed for everyone else though. Man it was great to see you guys all again, and giving it horns big time. :ricky: Seriously impressed with the talent out there. It was awesome to spend time with weskus and the rally organisation after I retired, albeit everyone was busy, I could see that the Amageza had reached critical mass and was starting to look like an international rally. Well done to Alex and the whole team. Its always been my dream to see a rally in RSA, and now we have one. And look what its done to you guys!! You all  have the rally bug big time!!  :laughing4:

For me though for the 1st time things were different when I got home. I suppose my own disappointment had a lot to do with it. I followed the Dakar avidly this year but only for 11 days. That is not me. I stopped thinking about rally after that for the first time in 6 years. I actually stopped thinking about riding. Wilddogs, the lot. Maybe that was selfish, I dont really know. The new job, the new country and personal stuff kinda got in the way as it does. I needed some time out. Maybe I still do.

Right now, it does not look like I will be able to do the Amageza this year. Its gutting because the chance to ride in the Namibian Spiergebiet is a chance of a lifetime. But the reality of the situation is I dont have work, and I dont have a bike, and I will likely be moving back to Africa or South America in the next three months.  :-\  :-[ But also...I have not felt like racing all that much, and I cant explain why. Midlife crisis? - I don't know. Hope not!  :snorting: But as I sit here and type I know I have the desire, but I don't know if I can do it on the fly like last year again, even if I did prepare properly. I also know what it feels like after 5 days in the saddle. Its brutal and after all the other kak in my life I don't know If I could handle it. Anyway If I do go ahead I realize I'm not as tough as I thought I was.

Im not typing this because I am looking for sympathy, but I did want to get it down so that I can maybe work out what is going on and see what needs to be done about it. Losing my job was perhaps the best thing that happened actually. Its made me stop and reassess what I want in life.  

What I want is to be able to have another adventure - and hopefully I can move to a place that will inspire me to start riding again. Maybe that will be back to Peru. Maybe to Angola. Or somewhere else. I guess time will tell.

I'll stop my girly whining now - just wanted to let you guys know where I am and why I have been quiet.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on May 16, 2015, 08:02:25 am

 Good morning BB.
 Goed om weer van jou te hoor !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 16, 2015, 09:21:11 pm
Bly om van jou te hoor en dat jy positief is te midde van werk verloor!!
Hoop deure gaan binnekort oop vir jou, baie sterkte!
Title: Re: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 16, 2015, 11:36:16 pm
I have the 690 Enduro R.  What tower would be the best to put on for a rally setup?
Light but still strong enough to withstand some crashes.

I have the full fairing rally setup.
Hey Koos, niks fout met daai fiets nie. Jy mag dalk net terug kom sonder enige verf op. ;)
Title: Re:
Post by: SpeedMetal on May 16, 2015, 11:48:04 pm
Hey BB, good to see you still alive and kicking. I wouldn't be too worried if I was you, a guy with the amount if passion as you cannot be down for too long. I am sure that if we don't see you at this year's Amageza, that you will definitely be at next year but let your story be inspiration to all the "draad sitters" including myself that has got the ability to make it happen to stop making excuses and do it now!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 17, 2015, 02:54:27 pm
Hi BB
nice to hear from you again
Just remember that one or two years is nothing in the bigger scheme of things.
The fact that you have not put The Springbokkie in the market tells me you still have the Passion.
Things are just not always aligned so that we can do as we like. That would e very boring in any case.
Hoping to see you around soon.
cheers
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Would I? on May 17, 2015, 04:42:03 pm
Hey BB
Sure you will have an opportunity soon and things will be back on track.
Stay strong. Pissies never win.... :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: Never forget your saying.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on May 17, 2015, 08:28:07 pm
Good to see you back BB. Best of luck with all the work stuff hope it all works
out. I'm sure you'll be back on a bike soon enough rippin up trails with a big grin in your helmet. 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 19, 2015, 09:34:04 am
690 vs 450 arguments: Koos ou boet, asking our longstanding, resident Amageza marshall if he has done a rally in respect of his technical comparison was not lekker and off the point. He rides very well, and provides sage, considered advice that is often worthwhile and meaningful to guys  - maybe not you? :dontknow:

Looks like I am in the s... now!   :deal:
Title: Re: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on May 19, 2015, 09:36:31 am
I have the 690 Enduro R.  What tower would be the best to put on for a rally setup?
Light but still strong enough to withstand some crashes.

I have the full fairing rally setup.
Hey Koos, niks fout met daai fiets nie. Jy mag dalk net terug kom sonder enige verf op. ;)

Dan sit ons weer "stickers" op en gaan aan!!!   >:D
Title: Re: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on May 20, 2015, 12:45:06 pm
I have the 690 Enduro R.  What tower would be the best to put on for a rally setup?
Light but still strong enough to withstand some crashes.

I have the full fairing rally setup.
Hey Koos, niks fout met daai fiets nie. Jy mag dalk net terug kom sonder enige verf op. ;)

Dan sit ons weer "stickers" op en gaan aan!!!   >:D


Sal vir ons Vets for Change stickers maak

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on May 21, 2015, 06:21:59 am
Hey BB, keep your head up cuz.  That is just how it is sometimes, life happens as our friend SteveD said to me, but we adapt and get on with it.  There is always next year.  ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Hooli on May 21, 2015, 11:48:25 am
Hey BB.

Nice to hear from you again.
This is life and always remember there is ALWAYS someone worse off than yourself and it could have been even worse.
I really like the way you have put everything into perspective to everyone on this topic and especially the bad remarks towards someone's opinion.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: weskus on May 21, 2015, 12:12:54 pm
Lekka Neill, ja, at least I now know that I'm not the only one that can't afford it at this stage  :thumleft: Keep your head up, time will tell, just got back from a hunting trip on that excact farm where we picked you up .. and the dunes is a lot bigger once you leave the border fence.. harsh as can be.. good to hear from you..
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Firesquirrel on May 21, 2015, 11:13:06 pm
Neil.... Good to check you here again.....  Kak one you going through but knowing you and your attitude I am sure you will bounce back !

Also in the same boat when it comes to budget vs pleasure....  I got expenses that I have had to put ahead of my own wants and needs....  They are called Teenagers !

Also enjoyed the positive way you approach life's curve-balls....

....and I agree with Hooli that you are a master at diplomacy when it comes to defending the "older gaurd"  when they are being taken out by individuals who never see past their own little world...

Here we should take our hats of to the marshalls, helpers, cops, farmers, townsfolk, schools, cooks, cleaners etc etc etc who work behind the scenes helping Alex and Co to set this up every year...

Not everyone just shows up.....  Not everyone is a Riding God ....... Otherwise there would be like 5 okes racing each other !

It takes a lot of people to make this work......  Even old guys who might dare to have an opinion !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on May 22, 2015, 06:35:24 am
Hey Guys

How about we get this thread back on track.
My most started this quibbling so can I ask everyone to please just let things be and focus on the Amageza.

Samblief man. ???

Cheers
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on May 22, 2015, 08:41:14 am
Hey Guys

How about we get this thread back on track.
My most started this quibbling so can I ask everyone to please just let things be and focus on the Amageza.

Samblief man. ???

Cheers

+1 :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bazinga on May 22, 2015, 01:17:02 pm
Hi BB

Keep your head up bud.. Its life and it happens. I am also not riding this year. Wanted to do it badly but like I said Life happens. Next year one can always try to do it again.

Meeting you was great and your support and inspirational words helped a lot.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: markdiver on May 23, 2015, 05:17:17 am
Can one view an entry list anywhere?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: hancojvr on May 26, 2015, 02:49:47 pm
First Amageza for me this year, can someone clarify how it works with support vehicles and camping in the bivouac ?  If I have someone driving a vehicle and trailer with tent and spares, do I have to pay R6K just for that vehicle to be allowed into the pit area (meals included for the driver I see)  ?   
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on May 26, 2015, 02:54:32 pm
Good question,
Also a newbie at Amageza this year can some of the older stateman spread the knowledge or even if Alex could let us know.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on May 26, 2015, 04:25:07 pm
It is ALWAYS best to speak to Alexander. This forum has no formal connection to Amageza and cannot answer your queries with authority.

But it might help others if you report back here.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AlexRG on May 26, 2015, 06:36:00 pm
Hi - is the Amageza website down? or is it just me? Nothing loads or works. The on-line shop is fine though...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on May 26, 2015, 06:36:30 pm
First Amageza for me this year, can someone clarify how it works with support vehicles and camping in the bivouac ?  If I have someone driving a vehicle and trailer with tent and spares, do I have to pay R6K just for that vehicle to be allowed into the pit area (meals included for the driver I see)  ?    

Yes.

Edit.

You can have someone follow you and park outside and stay in a camp site or B&B. Nothing stopping you doing that.

However, you won't find 7 days worth of camping and food for much less and it's just so much more convenient and safe. Imagine waking up at your B&B and your bike or part of your bike is gone. It happened last year to a few guys - helmets and batteries gone.

Why should you pay for this?

It's a business, you pay for everything. Nobody said rallying was a cheap way of having a holiday.

Still it's the cheapest rally anywhere in the world.



Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on May 27, 2015, 07:42:53 am
I stayed in a B&B last year, with the 'service' crew, in Kakamas and Springbok.

As a rider, it didn't work. You don't have time to f--k about - you need to be where the action is. Your crew needs to know what's going on as well, things change and if you're not there, you lose out.

Pay the money and get everyone in the bivvy, it's worth it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: weskus on May 27, 2015, 07:49:53 am
I stayed in a B&B last year, with the 'service' crew, in Kakamas and Springbok.

As a rider, it didn't work. You don't have time to f--k about - you need to be where the action is. Your crew needs to know what's going on as well, things change and if you're not there, you lose out.

Pay the money and get everyone in the bivvy, it's worth it  :thumleft:
Jip, and things sure do change..
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gavin on May 27, 2015, 08:33:38 am
its cheap at the price and you and your crew need to be where the action is
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on May 27, 2015, 01:17:33 pm
Happy to pay the money, however what do we need to supply ourselves?
Tents, generator, lights?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 27, 2015, 01:36:31 pm
If you take a generator that can weld, it would be a good idea.  Otherwise, get one of the whisper jobs, otherwise someone might shove it where the sun doesn't shine. 

An LED string that runs of the bakkies battery is sufficient.

Tents, stretcher to get off the Kalahari.  You need everything except coffee, breakfast and supper and a shower.  That is all that is supplied.

I actually think that the size of the logistical challenge make it presently better to malle-moto the 1st one.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KiLRoy on May 27, 2015, 01:40:57 pm
Hello boys ngirlz  :wave:

Its been a while. Fantastic to see this thread pumping along and all the enthusiasm. This years Amageza route is going to be FANTASTIC!!!

690 vs 450 arguments: Koos ou boet, asking our longstanding, resident Amageza marshall if he has done a rally in respect of his technical comparison was not lekker and off the point. He rides very well, and provides sage, considered advice that is often worthwhile and meaningful to guys  - maybe not you? :dontknow:

I thought John's comments on the bike power to weight ratios were spot on.

690 - Better power, but more of a pig in the gnarly stuff.

450 - easier to ride, but lacks power with the additional rally weight. Add a big heavy rider like me to it and you will have limitations, but with a lower likelihood of killing yourself in a fast section.

This to me is a real danger of a 690. Its a brilliant racing bike, designed for riding gods - of which I am not. Gideon I believe will be on a 690 this year. I reckon he will win if he does enter.  They have a top speed which is awesome, but they fly off dune crests a lot further that any 450 would.

They may be a little slower in the tight and gnarly sections, like a thorny twisty track that you see in the Toyota 1000, but make up for it in the open areas. This is why Coma, Depres, et al. loved these bikes, and why they were so upset when Dakar made the 450 rule. But the 450 rule was made because the 690 is a lot of bike and amateurs like me can get hurt trying to race them.

I was so impressed with the level of riding skills I saw last year. Most of you guys are really excellent riders. So go with you guy making this decision. If you are good enough to mange the power of the bigger bike and the weight of picking it up 20 times and fighting it through a rocky river bed, then I would say "screw it just do it" and get the 690.

If you want to finish and are concerned about your skills, go for the smaller bike. Its really that simple.

BTW I LOVE MaxThePanda's fairing setup. Its simple and worked really well last year. I am not sure what this years Amageza rules say about the Iritracks/ERTF's, but if they are coming on that setup might not work so well. Having said that, the Australians have done a few Dakars on a similar setup, it just needs to be adapted to take the additional equipment.

******
The rest of this post is about me so if you're not interested please just ignore it.  :P



On my side its been work, work and more work. Moving to Spain screwed with my riding big time. You would think not, but I went through some hard times and had to sell all my bikes (except the Springbokkie). Sold our house in Lima. Never settled in Spain as planned. I'm still living in an small rental apartment. ::) And then to top if off I lost my job in April. At least this time I have some cash, so SteveD I'll be in touch with you soon about my Springbokkie.  ;D  :thumleft:

Thought long and hard about my attempt at the Amageza last year. My performance was a bit of an embarrassment, without any real preparation. And although I retired with a burnt clutch, I would have picked it up if I had been riding more often. Truth be told even if my clutch worked I doubt I would have made it through 3 days of riding. That first day in the sun really got to me. So after I got back to Spain, and straight into work again before the rest of you had even arrived in CT, I was kinda off rally after all that. Bummed I had to leave early, bummed I was not fit enough, bummed that I allowed myself to get heat exhaustion on the first day. Pleased I somehow got a 25th place on that day (apparently) after all the drama of that day though. Seeing I started about last, I was pleased with that.

I was so chuffed for everyone else though. Man it was great to see you guys all again, and giving it horns big time. :ricky: Seriously impressed with the talent out there. It was awesome to spend time with weskus and the rally organisation after I retired, albeit everyone was busy, I could see that the Amageza had reached critical mass and was starting to look like an international rally. Well done to Alex and the whole team. Its always been my dream to see a rally in RSA, and now we have one. And look what its done to you guys!! You all  have the rally bug big time!!  :laughing4:

For me though for the 1st time things were different when I got home. I suppose my own disappointment had a lot to do with it. I followed the Dakar avidly this year but only for 11 days. That is not me. I stopped thinking about rally after that for the first time in 6 years. I actually stopped thinking about riding. Wilddogs, the lot. Maybe that was selfish, I dont really know. The new job, the new country and personal stuff kinda got in the way as it does. I needed some time out. Maybe I still do.

Right now, it does not look like I will be able to do the Amageza this year. Its gutting because the chance to ride in the Namibian Spiergebiet is a chance of a lifetime. But the reality of the situation is I dont have work, and I dont have a bike, and I will likely be moving back to Africa or South America in the next three months.  :-\  :-[ But also...I have not felt like racing all that much, and I cant explain why. Midlife crisis? - I don't know. Hope not!  :snorting: But as I sit here and type I know I have the desire, but I don't know if I can do it on the fly like last year again, even if I did prepare properly. I also know what it feels like after 5 days in the saddle. Its brutal and after all the other kak in my life I don't know If I could handle it. Anyway If I do go ahead I realize I'm not as tough as I thought I was.

Im not typing this because I am looking for sympathy, but I did want to get it down so that I can maybe work out what is going on and see what needs to be done about it. Losing my job was perhaps the best thing that happened actually. Its made me stop and reassess what I want in life.  

What I want is to be able to have another adventure - and hopefully I can move to a place that will inspire me to start riding again. Maybe that will be back to Peru. Maybe to Angola. Or somewhere else. I guess time will tell.

I'll stop my girly whining now - just wanted to let you guys know where I am and why I have been quiet.

its simple - you need to get back to SA mate....   just do it
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on May 27, 2015, 01:47:35 pm
Thanks Bill,
My list is growing every day!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on May 27, 2015, 01:58:11 pm
If you have not got a shopping list with R40k worth of pending stuff, you are doing it wrong  >:D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on June 01, 2015, 11:07:46 pm
Entry paid today as well as for shipping my bike to SA.

Time to start that bike built :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on June 01, 2015, 11:25:14 pm
Entry paid today as well as for shipping my bike to SA.

Time to start that bike built :)

Looking forward to meeting you at the Amageza :D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 02, 2015, 12:30:16 am
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on June 02, 2015, 11:45:05 am
Entry paid today as well as for shipping my bike to SA.

Time to start that bike built :)

Looking forward to meeting you at the Amageza :D

Cool!Looking forward to 'Riding with Lions' vs 'Dancing with Wolves' :imaposer:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ChrisMann on June 02, 2015, 12:33:02 pm
Hi,

Can someone please help me with the contact details of Walter Terblanche from Cape Town. He did the Amageza last year.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 02, 2015, 01:23:59 pm
Whatsapp Alexander
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Orangeswifty on June 03, 2015, 06:51:40 pm
Hello boys ngirlz  :wave:


Howsit Niel?
Good to hear from you!
Sorry things did not work out in Spain as planned
I'm sure you will get back on 2 wheels soon enough.
Don't be scarce and let us know where the hell you are in life please

We have got to do a rally together again soon
Swifty
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 08, 2015, 05:54:59 pm
Thanks okes. Youre right, I need to get back to Africa.

But first I am off to ride with Marc Coma  >:D

I'll also be talking to him about the Amageza of course. Alexander please take note.  :deal:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on June 08, 2015, 06:07:31 pm
Thanks okes. Youre right, I need to get back to Africa.

But first I am off to ride with Marc Coma  >:D

I'll also be talking to him about the Amageza of course. Alexander please take note.  :deal:


!
 Take note pls.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on June 09, 2015, 12:27:36 pm
But first I am off to ride with Marc Coma  >:D
I'll also be talking to him about the Amageza of course.

Tell him he's a whuz, we will only believe he can ride once he has won an Amageza  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on June 12, 2015, 10:14:40 am
From ADV (just for fun)

an interesting post from Italian Soloenduro forum, from my friend Pietro:


My friend Biga is running the rally Albania and is in great difficulty, has lost his way and has no references to understand where he is.
So I get the classic call of rally driver in confusion.
The live tracking of the race is quite delayed, about half an hour, but I can understand a bit where he is and the path to follow.
So I ask by phone the his actual gps point.
I plug it into the Google Earth and see where he is: gosh, I believe he's scared, is putting himself in a ravine!
I tell he should go up, must go back on the crest of the mountain staying on the right.
Once he reaches the crest I ask for another point that tells me that I took him where I wanted.
At this point he's is on the path but does not know which way to go, as he's on a large lawn with small traces that cross.
It would be enough to give him the cap but not o easy: he is not very accomplished with cap use and moreover his compass is just a phone app ...
I make him leave and after a kilometer I ask for another point: Biga is on track and in the right direction.
...
I hear him snort while advancing on steep terrain, and then the smile "I see the lake Pietro, here we are!"
So, from my house, locked in with a broken leg, I ran a bit of rally too: thanks my friend!

Now I wonder if a simple cartography passionate and with tools that all have access to, what could do an official team who invest tens of thousands of euro? It still makes sense the road book?
With a live tracking in real time you can drive a pilot with a few seconds of delay.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on June 12, 2015, 10:48:06 am
If he were a front runner, this could be considered cheating.

In the future, it will either more of this, i.e. like pit lane crew using the radio to give info to their driver.

Or, smart phones and any other communication devices will be banned from the riders.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: luckyloo on June 12, 2015, 11:28:18 am
in my opinion, technology is here to stay.  You can ban it however you want, but it's still there & by banning it just makes it more difficult to regulate.  Cheaters will always cheat and if the organizers accept that everybody is playing to the rules, they will be less slack on policing it and open more doors for people to play outside the rules.  Even with this rally, the banning of more sophisticated gps systems doesn't make sense to me.  Are they gong to ban cell phones as well?  If anybody protests against the rider who has used his cell phone to find direction, he will be excluded....In all honesty, really?  If I'm lost anyway chances are good nobody will see me using some device to get back on track. Like this guy....at least he found his way again and could continue racing, but chances are good he lost enough time anyway and missed some waypoints so surely he didnt' gain any advantage..

Isn't that the reason why there are hidden waypoints?  Why not just put more of those in and allow riders to use whatever they want to.  It is a secret track after all, so no maps can make you win the race if there are enough hidden waypoints on the route.  Or am I missing something here? 

Having a T4A map available to you surely cannot make you win the race, but could be used by a lost rider to get somewhere safely and not ending up in a ravine somewhere injuring himself unnecessarily, by following a cap heading straight line through all kinds of unrideble terrain.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on June 12, 2015, 11:50:01 am
in my opinion, technology is here to stay.  You can ban it however you want, but it's still there & by banning it just makes it more difficult to regulate.  Cheaters will always cheat and if the organizers accept that everybody is playing to the rules, they will be less slack on policing it and open more doors for people to play outside the rules.  Even with this rally, the banning of more sophisticated gps systems doesn't make sense to me.  Are they gong to ban cell phones as well?  If anybody protests against the rider who has used his cell phone to find direction, he will be excluded....In all honesty, really?  If I'm lost anyway chances are good nobody will see me using some device to get back on track. Like this guy....at least he found his way again and could continue racing, but chances are good he lost enough time anyway and missed some waypoints so surely he didnt' gain any advantage..

Isn't that the reason why there are hidden waypoints?  Why not just put more of those in and allow riders to use whatever they want to.  It is a secret track after all, so no maps can make you win the race if there are enough hidden waypoints on the route.  Or am I missing something here? 

Having a T4A map available to you surely cannot make you win the race, but could be used by a lost rider to get somewhere safely and not ending up in a ravine somewhere injuring himself unnecessarily, by following a cap heading straight line through all kinds of unrideble terrain.

The idea behind rally is that you actually navigate (like the orienteering of old), not follow a GPS/map/directions radioed from a crew.

This is why there is no live tracking of Dakar competitors.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on June 12, 2015, 12:15:25 pm
TO quote ADVrider Troy Safari Carpente regards this outside help;

"I think the defining line has a lot to do with; 1. where in the field you are currently running (or 1.b. where you usually run), 2. which factory team is paying your bills and 3. which other factory team is currently competing against you...


If the name at the top of your entry form is Johnny Come Nowhere and you are presently at the rear of the field, it's after dark and the prospect of becoming a destitute hermit in the frigid Albanian Alp's is turning into a dire possibility with every passing minute...

... then I believe that the "satellite phone a Dakar-ista friend" alternative; and the assistance that a google earth literate buddy at home can provide, from the comfort of their own living room computer screen, is generally accepted - in these circles at least - as kosher."
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 12, 2015, 12:16:18 pm
@ luckyloo, the way I see it.

The whole idea behind a rally like Dakar/Amageza is to NAVIGATE and then ride as fast as possible.  If you go off track, even only 10 meters and land in a ditch you have a problem.  If you got lost you do NOT have a problem (unless the sweeper past already).  Any external means of going 'forward' is cheating. (Back track to the last known point and 'reset')  The issue here is that our human competitiveness is WAY MORE POWERFUL and will make even the most honest competitor cheat. In 2007 Dakar allowed the 'Arrow' to the next GPS waypoint.  Never again.  I wonder why, could be that taking shortcuts was easier and by 'luck' miss a hidden waypoint?

Then there is the VALUE of fireplace stories like posted by SteveD. Moerse interesting but if the competitor unfairly gained places how sweet will the VICTORY be.

It is a tough world out there and me thinks the sport must stay away from tech that will make it easier.  (Look at the number of electronic roadbooks etc.)

Adie
Laat ons stof maak
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on June 12, 2015, 12:40:24 pm
At Amageza 2013, Kamanya used his iPhone to let the world watch his progress. Uber cool, and a pretty neat app. Where there was cell coverage, we got updates every few minutes.
On the last day, the man missed a turnoff on the very, very last liaison, but seemed to realise quite quickly that he had made a mistake. Reaching a T-junction with the N14 may have had something to do with that  :eek7:.
So we sat behind our keyboards and watched as he backtracked to and fro, trying to figure out where was his last known good position, and where he went wrong. It took a while before he figured it out, but he did, and made it to the finish.

He had a phone with him, and had coverage. He could have just phoned a friend, or a friend could have phoned him and passed on coordinates and directions.
But that didn't happen, and I have a lot of respect for Kamanya for that.

Just saying....

From http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=136532.msg2631188#msg2631188 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=136532.msg2631188#msg2631188)
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136532.0;attach=312536;image)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 12, 2015, 12:53:11 pm
Most of the time in the Northern Cape and Southern Botswana (for this year's AmaG) there is not actually enough signal to phone a friend.  There's almost no data services, so unless you actually have a smart phone with a GPS chip (not using 3G tower triangulation) you have no hope of using it.  Since you are supposed to carry a map, its actually not a problem to get lats/longs from your eTrex 10 and to plot it on the paper map.  Maybe just an extra 5 min to dig it out of your backpack.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 15, 2015, 12:02:26 pm
Quick one - anyone know off hand when the last payment due?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on June 15, 2015, 12:48:24 pm
end of june
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on June 16, 2015, 04:13:59 pm
Last cash payment end of June, balance to be paid in blood over seven days. ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Prop on June 16, 2015, 04:29:23 pm
I see entries close 1 August,

Is this last payment for the discounted rates?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 17, 2015, 03:19:16 pm
I see entries close 1 August,

Is this last payment for the discounted rates?

Correct  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: REVS on June 17, 2015, 10:07:11 pm
Got this from ADV Moto mag, for those that are interested.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/5pmsqr.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2ywzdxe.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on June 19, 2015, 08:43:08 am
I am surprised the "course intersected itself in a few places!. Is there a tulip for, "Caution - rally bikes crossing your course!"?  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: REVS on June 21, 2015, 07:53:24 pm
I am surprised the "course intersected itself in a few places!. Is there a tulip for, "Caution - rally bikes crossing your course!"?  ;D
Ja  :imaposer:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/14wyow8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 23, 2015, 03:01:56 pm
Is there a latest on the MSA licence? Which one do we take out? Want to get that sorted now but just checking before I pull the trigger....
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on June 23, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
Hi,
This is what i got from MSA when i asked the question.


"Morning Ross

In order to participate in the AMAGEZA you require a minimum of a club licence and option 4 insurance (R500 000.00)

As you haven’t had a licence on the system before, a message will pop up that says you are not eligible for a National licence, however you can just carry on with the licence purchase

If you need assistance, please let me know and I can help you through the system

Thanks,




Assuring you of our best attention at all times
CARMEN-LEE HILL
NONCIRCUIT SPORTS CO-ORDINATOR - MOTORSPORT SOUTH AFRICA
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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on June 23, 2015, 04:41:17 pm
Thanks Ross!
Saw your bike getting kitted - looks sweet man!  :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 23, 2015, 07:23:48 pm
I understood that because you will race in a foreign country and Botswana Motor Sport is involved, you need a national license.  There was an e-mail from Alex to that effect, I seem to remember.  I don't have e-mail access at home...

Edit:  I can only find the reference to the R500 000 medical cover, so its possible that I was imagining things.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on June 24, 2015, 07:37:19 pm
Maybe somebody can help answer this:

"Assistance Vehicle and Crew
The Team Principle should register and place the order for the Assistance Vehicle and Crew.
The Team Principle cannot be a competitor."

So, blonde question... Does our assistance vehicle driver count as a "competitor" or can our driver sign up and register as the team principle? This is confusing stuff :P
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Cracker on June 24, 2015, 07:58:56 pm
Make your driver the team principle - he is not a competitor.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on June 24, 2015, 10:08:50 pm
Make your driver the team principle - he is not a competitor.



Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on June 25, 2015, 08:15:52 am
Make your driver the team principle - he is not a competitor.


. . . and add the payments, etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on June 25, 2015, 01:45:16 pm
Guys, can we talk tyres and  these various options for a while, what route have the ou manne gone in the past/intend going in the future? ie tubeless, mousses, whatever. I'm a newbie this year and need advice from a wide front, understanding up front that there are a heap of personal opinions that will be involved, but thats based on experience of some kind. If guys have used mousses in the past, did they last the race or need replacement en route? I'm riding a WR450, any ideas on what constitute a good tyre choice for this bike?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 25, 2015, 02:17:46 pm
This year there will be a Pirelli tyre service.  As long as you run Pirellis, they will fit them, mousse or tube.  Difficult to beat that.

Personally I do Tubliss in front, UHD tube in the year.  KTM 690, nil flats thus far.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on June 25, 2015, 04:19:37 pm
Thanks Bill for this. Never having used Tubliss before I have put it on my list to find out about -- what I don't understand is how do es one inflate the outer portion of the tyre, as the valve seems to only go to the inner locking bit at 100 psi?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 25, 2015, 06:01:47 pm
The rimlock is a valve as well.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 08, 2015, 11:28:06 pm
Bikes are packed in their crates and headed to Rotterdam Port on Monday!


(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11707573_10205547253375362_7954480828992819029_n.jpg?oh=0b19b39b329cbf68446626d13430731e&oe=561360ED)

1 major stress item of the list!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on July 09, 2015, 07:26:04 am

 Mooi !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on July 09, 2015, 08:06:29 am
Lekker Dutchie!

Sien julle binnekort!  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 09, 2015, 01:43:20 pm
Ik vergeet iedere keer dat ik gewoon Nederlands kan praten met jullie  :deal:

Fonetisch lezen is het makkelijkste denk ik!

Tot spoedig!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on July 09, 2015, 02:01:18 pm
Zolank jy net niemand 'neuk' (hit) of 'verneuk' (cheat) of 'langs de weg gaan' (off the road) kan dit werk. :peepwall:

Adie
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on July 09, 2015, 02:20:53 pm
Zolank jy net niemand 'neuk' (hit) of 'verneuk' (cheat) of 'langs de weg gaan' (off the road) kan dit werk. :peepwall:

Adie



 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 10, 2015, 12:20:43 pm
Zolank jy net niemand 'neuk' (hit) of 'verneuk' (cheat) of 'langs de weg gaan' (off the road) kan dit werk. :peepwall:

Adie


It's clear that I not only need to stay away from Lions and Leopards, but also from you lot  :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 11, 2015, 09:14:34 pm
Wees bevrees...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: B2B on July 12, 2015, 09:15:19 pm
Malaria : I know in the hotter months one is at higher risk of contracting Malaria,i thought i would just put it out there to see if would be wise to take precaution or are we all good to go.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on July 13, 2015, 07:07:37 am
Not long to go now guys!! I hope things calm down at work and I get time to follow all the riders' progress  :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 13, 2015, 01:01:22 pm
I hope we make progress
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on July 13, 2015, 01:12:02 pm
I have some Amageza prep questions please, if any of the older hands might be able to answer:

- I have done quite a lot of training rides on my rallye bike, including tar, dirt highway, single track, rocky sections and soft riverbed sand all in one ride, as I imagine one might get in an Amageza day. My question however is about tyre pressures when there are sand sections: I guess about 0.8 bar is good for sandy sections, but what do you do off the sand and onto hard-pack dirt or tar. Does one just leave the tyres at 0.8 bar, or do you have to somehow inflate the tyres again out of the sand section?

- This may be a very stupid question, but how does the routing on liaisons work? Do you use the roadbook also to navigate on liaisons, or are they marked otherwise somehow, or maybe off GPS?

- I have been trying to learn how to use CAP headings, and the first most interesting point I found out is that I need to set the GPS compass screen to read true heading, and not magnetic heading? Is this correct, or am I missing something?

- What heading does the CAP heading represent? I note on a section with several turns (eg. following alongside a canal), the roadbook only gives one CAP heading - is this the average track between the start and end of the tulip, is it the first heading from the start, or maybe the last heading into the next tulip?

- How strict is the noise regulation enforcement at scrutineering? The reg's make mention of certain decbel limits, is this actually tested? I have a concern that my Akro pipe may be too loud...  8) 8) 8)

Any answers or further info on the above would be very much appreciated!

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on July 13, 2015, 01:39:25 pm
Good Questions,
Will be interested in all the responses, as a newbie i can offer too much sorry.
I also have a query though regarding tires?
I saw a detail earlier that Pirelli will be on site, how do we go about securing tires from them on site?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 13, 2015, 02:01:00 pm
I have some Amageza prep questions please, if any of the older hands might be able to answer:

- I have done quite a lot of training rides on my rallye bike, including tar, dirt highway, single track, rocky sections and soft riverbed sand all in one ride, as I imagine one might get in an Amageza day. My question however is about tyre pressures when there are sand sections: I guess about 0.8 bar is good for sandy sections, but what do you do off the sand and onto hard-pack dirt or tar. Does one just leave the tyres at 0.8 bar, or do you have to somehow inflate the tyres again out of the sand section?

- This may be a very stupid question, but how does the routing on liaisons work? Do you use the roadbook also to navigate on liaisons, or are they marked otherwise somehow, or maybe off GPS?

- I have been trying to learn how to use CAP headings, and the first most interesting point I found out is that I need to set the GPS compass screen to read true heading, and not magnetic heading? Is this correct, or am I missing something?

- What heading does the CAP heading represent? I note on a section with several turns (eg. following alongside a canal), the roadbook only gives one CAP heading - is this the average track between the start and end of the tulip, is it the first heading from the start, or maybe the last heading into the next tulip?

- How strict is the noise regulation enforcement at scrutineering? The reg's make mention of certain decbel limits, is this actually tested? I have a concern that my Akro pipe may be too loud...  8) 8) 8)

Any answers or further info on the above would be very much appreciated!


Hope above helps.
Get a good balance/compromise for the tyre pressure.
CAP is the heading just after that turn.
Bikes need to be road legal...

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 13, 2015, 04:36:09 pm
A CAP is used in 3 different ways (may be more if you want to split hair):

1.  Where it is given as part of something else in a tulip solely for you to verify that you are on the right track
2.  Lets say there is a split but it does not give a turn, you then follow the correct CAP
3.  Where there is an off-piste section.  Lets say across a couple of dunes or through some open Karoo - you then follow the CAP for the stated distance
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Millertime on July 14, 2015, 12:23:55 am
https://www.facebook.com/events/1109159615764766/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/1109159615764766/)
If any one wants to get some Roadbook training is, I'm creating roadbook rides for the next couple of weekends.
Followed up with a N/Cape Roadbook session at the end of the Month with Wildwood.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 14, 2015, 10:42:52 am
cool  :thumleft:
we doing 4 days of roadbooking this weekend in N/Cape  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 14, 2015, 03:33:37 pm
Which areas?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 14, 2015, 04:25:32 pm
a few land marks: Nieuwoudtville; Springbok; Pofadder...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WildWood on July 14, 2015, 05:24:39 pm
WildWood and Millertime  are running a 2 day 1000km road book shakedown at the end of July. The package includes a full Rallye Navigator road book for both days, Accommodation with b&b as well as supper on Saturday night. We'll have a backup van to carry kit and fuel ( needed on day 2) , a trailer and limited spares (tubes , lubes etc) . Riders to meet at the Kamieskroon Hotel on Friday evening , where you'll be given your Saturday road book to go over and mark. Saturday morning early start for a long day. The navigation will start off relatively easy and get progressively more difficult over the two days.  Sunday's ride returns to Kamieskroon on an awesome route  that includes some great sand tracks.

Contact John:  john@wildwood.capetown . 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 14, 2015, 08:15:01 pm
a few land marks: Nieuwoudtville; Springbok; Pofadder...


Lekker.  En lekker koud.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Millertime on July 15, 2015, 10:35:55 pm
Anyone looking for a service package for the Amageza Rally?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ChrisMann on July 15, 2015, 10:49:25 pm
Anyone looking for a service package for the Amageza Rally?


Yes please! My 450 RR arived at KTM Cape Town today.

I will check with other riders in team and confirm tomorrow.

Thanks for posting.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WildWood on July 21, 2015, 08:57:23 am
What has come out of Greg's road book days is how little understanding guys have of setting up their road books. The settings of the ico, wheel circumference and distance sensitivity. To sensitive and you run out of road book half way through the day, set to less sensitive and you get lost. What's the point on spending all that money on the cool equipment and then spending the night in the dunes out of fuel and food.

I defy anybody not to get lost if they haven't done extensive practice in real riding conditions. Reading it on the dining table is way different to being stressed, tired and full of adrenalin.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 21, 2015, 10:27:36 am
He gives GPS waypoints as well, no? They allow you to continu from set points.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 21, 2015, 10:28:22 am
Quote

Bivouac locations: Exact bivouac locations will be given in Race Info #2 next week.
29 Aug: Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.
30 Aug: Marathon
31 Aug: Kang, Botswana
01 Sep: Ghanzi, Botswana.
02 Sep: Kang, Botswana
03 Sep: Hakskeenpan, South Africa
04 Sep: Springbok, South Africa
05 Sep:  Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on July 21, 2015, 11:34:13 am
He gives GPS waypoints as well, no? They allow you to continu from set points.

I'm not expecting much in the way of waypoints with GPS co-ords on the Amageza. I've had a look at previous years' books and there are only a handful of gps co-ords on them each day. Basically, for use in emergencies when you get lost only, because if you navigate directly to them, you'll probably get lots of penalties due to missed hidden waypoints. 

I think Greg's weening us off their use during practicing... the last two training books had cap and gps co-ords on every tulip (and I'll freely admit that I had to use them twice already when I got lost). Greg, next one's not gonna have all this info on every tulip, right?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 21, 2015, 11:34:54 am
Hey guys. Just realized I had not filled in the entry form haha....
So quickly bought MSA licence and filling it in.. BUT what is the Vehicle category on the entry form? There is Moto Group 1 and moto group 2? but no explanation on which is what?
Anyone know?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WDT on July 21, 2015, 11:50:42 am
Also had to fill in the form this morning!

Moto 1 is up to 450
Moto 2 over 450
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 21, 2015, 01:06:23 pm
Also had to fill in the form this morning!

Moto 1 is up to 450
Moto 2 over 450

Shot bud! What you on this year? 450 again or your 690 like the year before?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WDT on July 21, 2015, 02:27:04 pm
A 450 with NL Designs rally kit.

Lets see what I destroy this year ???

You on the BMW?

Cheers
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 21, 2015, 03:04:56 pm
A 450 with NL Designs rally kit.

Lets see what I destroy this year ???

You on the BMW?

Cheers

Haha - think i'll be trying to chase your dust then!
Yip still on the BMW 450  :thumleft: can't wait
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WildWood on July 21, 2015, 04:24:44 pm
Whatever you do make sure you at least make yourself a short road book and ride it without way points , because you can't ride off the way points in the rallye. Make sure your ico settings are correct and you have capacity for the 'full duration of the day's ride'. Rallye is 50% rider skill & 50% navigation. Most of us can ride , but very few know how to navigate. This year the rallye is set to have way longer days, with rumour of dark starts and finishes, which means getting lost is even more likely.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 21, 2015, 05:15:34 pm
Can we have any confirmation about what setting to put out etrex 10 GPS's on? IE - track log setting. Are we putting it on distance or time? And what distance or time setting? I'm assuming that all will have to be set the same  ;D
Want to test mine at that setting.

Also - I see very frustratingly that the etrex 10 has no option for "stay on when external power supply lost" like the etrex 20 and older etrex vista has.
Has anyone found a way to set that as I've not found it on any menu :( that sucks cause if your power supply vibrates loose - it only stays on for 30 sec and then turns off till you realize.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: AlexRG on July 21, 2015, 10:16:07 pm
Hi,

I recall an earlier discussion on arm protection against the Botswana Daisies (aka thorns) shredding your arms and MX sweaters to bits and pieces... well I've found an existing product made in the RSA by XKulcha  (http://www.xkulcha.com/index.php (http://www.xkulcha.com/index.php)) that they call Enduro/Thorn Sleeves. Give them a ring on 011 493 5452.

It could well work over your Thor / Acerbis / Leatt Impact Rig protection and MX sweater.

See photo:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 22, 2015, 08:52:32 am
Quote

Bivouac locations: Exact bivouac locations will be given in Race Info #2 next week.
29 Aug: Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.
30 Aug: Marathon
31 Aug: Kang, Botswana
01 Sep: Ghanzi, Botswana.
02 Sep: Kang, Botswana
03 Sep: Hakskeenpan, South Africa
04 Sep: Springbok, South Africa
05 Sep:  Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.


I suggest looking at a map.  Hakskeenpan to Springbok will be crossing the 101 dunes again that we had last year. Its also a significant distance.  Springbok to Kimberley is a huge distance on a small bike.  I'm sommer going to start running over lunch time  >:D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 22, 2015, 09:30:56 am
Getting seriously excited for you guys.

Wouldnt worry too much about the road book navigation. Use the known landmarks to calibrate your ICO on the fly. NEVER follow other tracks/riders blindly. ALWAYS ride to the roadbook.

If you go wrong, NEVER backtrack at pace in the track - you greatly increase your chances of being wiped out in a head on collision. ALWAYS ride to the side of or off the track if you are backtracking. FIM rules state it is illegal to run against the direction of the course because many guys have been hurt/killed like this, but it does happen, so if you are that guy that went wrong, watch out for your buddies coming the other way! :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on July 22, 2015, 11:12:04 am
 Yip. . .safety first !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on July 22, 2015, 01:41:07 pm
Getting seriously excited for you guys.



Ha Ha, BlueBull you are getting exited while I am geting more and more worried by the minute. I just had a look at the Amageza count down timer, 1 month, 6 days, 10 hours,19 minutes and 55 seconds. It gave me the chills :eek7:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 22, 2015, 03:07:32 pm
:imaposer:

Know that feeling bud!

You will be fine. Just dont race hell for leather and get caught up with guys like bonova ;) , ride your pace, don't waste time, and you will be fine.

focus -  flow - finish.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 22, 2015, 03:33:33 pm
Quote

Bivouac locations: Exact bivouac locations will be given in Race Info #2 next week.
29 Aug: Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.
30 Aug: Marathon
31 Aug: Kang, Botswana
01 Sep: Ghanzi, Botswana.
02 Sep: Kang, Botswana
03 Sep: Hakskeenpan, South Africa
04 Sep: Springbok, South Africa
05 Sep:  Kimberley, South Africa: NOTE: No food or accommodation supplied.


I suggest looking at a map.  Hakskeenpan to Springbok will be crossing the 101 dunes again that we had last year. Its also a significant distance.  Springbok to Kimberley is a huge distance on a small bike.  I'm sommer going to start running over lunch time  >:D

MA-SE-HARE  I also looked at the map......  Day 6 is gonna be epic! wow. Not to mention day 7's distance....
I just went for a run to calm myself  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on July 22, 2015, 04:04:02 pm
Whatever you do make sure you at least make yourself a short road book and ride it without way points , because you can't ride off the way points in the rallye. Make sure your ico settings are correct and you have capacity for the 'full duration of the day's ride'. Rallye is 50% rider skill & 50% navigation. Most of us can ride , but very few know how to navigate. This year the rallye is set to have way longer days, with rumour of dark starts and finishes, which means getting lost is even more likely.


On the a previous years' roadbooks for example, over 570km of the day (280k's special stage), there were only 25 known waypoints But 4 times as many hidden waypoints. That day was very easy to get lost and Alex has a knack of putting 3 or 4 very close together, not because it is a tricky section but because that section is easy to accidentally bypass. Like for example he wants you to go to a specific petrol garage he'll put 2 or 3 hidden waypoints right across where you'd have to go to get to that particular garage. Or where there are parallel tracks and he wants you on a specific one, then he'll put 2 or 3 on that branch.

When riding, it's practically impossible to also keep an eye on waypoints so if your navigation is crap, and in that section there are a bunch of hidden waypoints, say goodbye to 15 minutes for taking the wrong track of filling up at the wrong station.

Like this one in Steinkopf. The actual fuel station was a [b]known waypoint[/b]

There I am on the N7, bitterly cold from the mornings liaison and as I come over the hill I can see guys at the petrol station a few k's off. I stopped checking my roadbook and get into planning mode for how much fuel I am going to put in, need a piss, getting some chow, making sure my earplugs don't come loose again and other mindless kak.

So I missed the no name brand turnoff and 200m of parallel road and picked up 10 minutes for 2 missed hidden waypoints

(https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/i-MpxQwHB/0/L/Mistakes%20Waypoints%201-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/49536865_387BFL#!i=4221890250&k=MpxQwHB&lb=1&s=A)

I thought I had learnt my lesson, but not all obvious places have known waypoints!

After a very tricky special stage through the Richtersveld, we are given the choice to continue onto the second stage of the day or cross the border and get some fuel. I opt for the latter and relax into the boring and deeply irritating admin of crossing the border to refuel only to have to dodge tour busses full of idiots to cross back over again. Alex stashed 3 hidden waypoints right on top of one another at the further fuel depot >:( Another 15 minutes for you Sir!

(https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/i-kSJjQMt/0/L/Mistakes%20Waypoints%204-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/49536865_387BFL#!i=4221890310&k=kSJjQMt&lb=1&s=A)

On the trail, it's easy to cut corners when you see a dust cloud and have a bit of competitiveness going on. Especially when 10 bikes have done it before you and you are bike track watching....

(https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/i-tgt2V3b/0/L/Mistakes%20Waypoints%203-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/49536865_387BFL#!i=4221890295&k=tgt2V3b&lb=1&s=A)

Ka-ching! 10 more!

It did however help once, Here I got lucky!

On the Namaqua eco 4x4 trail, a route I know very well and has few options, I had my waypoints queued up to be routed "offroad". So on the GPS all I had was "distance to next" and "direction to next". I wasn't riding to them but every now and then would glance to check if my general direction was making sense to the GPS.

I was absolutely milking everything and having ball.

At one point, on a wide plain, I missed a turnand knew it almost right away, did one or two 360’s and glanced down at my GPS and realised the next known waypoint was only 2k’s away and there was a track heading that way anyway. Plus at these high speeds, heading back a k or 2 with the really fast track was dangerous so just cut my losses and picked up the trail again. I got lucky.

(https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/i-mxgvKhF/0/L/Mistakes%20Waypoints%202-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/49536865_387BFL#!i=4221890291&k=mxgvKhF&lb=1&s=A)


The point is that; Alex is sneaky. The known waypoints are only there for safety and are almost always not helpful for racing.

 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 22, 2015, 04:40:38 pm
The point is that; Alex is sneaky. The known waypoints are only there for safety and are almost always not helpful for racing those peeps who think they can shortcut from the roadbook


fixed ;D

Great post BTW :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 22, 2015, 07:08:51 pm


The point is that; Alex is sneaky. The known waypoints are only there for safety and are almost always not helpful for racing.

 


Mmmm... Nice to see this! It's all about turning off your brain and exactly follow the roadbook. Seems to even get penalties for getting gas at the wrong station :)

How close do we need to pass these 'hidden waypoints'?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on July 22, 2015, 08:22:16 pm


The point is that; Alex is sneaky. The known waypoints are only there for safety and are almost always not helpful for racing.

 


Mmmm... Nice to see this! It's all about turning off your brain and exactly follow the roadbook. Seems to even get penalties for getting gas at the wrong station :)

How close do we need to pass these 'hidden waypoints'?

Your track is recorded on a GPS and then the GPS is handed in to be matched with a master track at the end of the day. Some software they've got works out if you missed it or not.

As you can see, in my case even though I was less than 200m from some of the hidden waypoints I still got nailed as it was obvious that I was not on the intended track.

The year that I have given the examples for, I picked up over 2 hours for a 3 day rally. The next year I only had 11 minutes over 5 days. It made a really big difference to keep a very close eye on the navigation.

Slower and with a bit of thought is far faster than balls to the wall following dust clouds up ahead.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WildWood on July 22, 2015, 09:49:09 pm
Quote: Greg Miller on KTM Cape Town Facebook page today.

"We learned a lot during in last weekends Roadbook training and the general consensus is if you are waiting till the Amageza Rally to figure everything out, you are going to be spending the first 3 days fixing small issues.
With stage one been announced as a Marathon stage in this years Rally it's imperative that your bike is dialled in from Day: 1. Our 1 day Roadbook training days are a perfect shakedown of the bikes and navigational skills practice.
Don't forget to join Greg and Wildwood Motorcycle Tours . South Africa at the end of the Month for another 2 day Rally Shakedown."
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: WildWood on July 22, 2015, 10:18:22 pm
Next training with Greg at KTM Cape Town, Saturday 25th at 8am. Book to secure a road book.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on July 26, 2015, 11:14:59 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 27, 2015, 12:39:29 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

AWESOME news!!!!  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on July 27, 2015, 03:23:44 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !
Will see you there then Andy 660
Mooi !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 28, 2015, 10:27:06 am
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: seankriel on July 29, 2015, 07:45:40 am
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Steve - You know we can not Amageza without you!! lol...  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 29, 2015, 07:50:10 am
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: seankriel on July 29, 2015, 07:57:28 am
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

Andy!! You made me stress for a while... you know every rider can't wait to see you at the end of the Special - you are their last wish for the day... ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 29, 2015, 09:01:40 am
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?

:thumleft:

These guys are the real heroes of the Amageza
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 29, 2015, 09:15:55 am
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Steve - You know we can not Amageza without you!! lol...  :imaposer:

Can we assume you will be there too Sean  :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Airtime on July 29, 2015, 11:28:21 am
Nice one Andy I look forward to seeing your ugly mug after each special  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: melvman on July 29, 2015, 01:28:38 pm
This will be my debut as a "Recovery Marshall" or recovering marshall  :lol8:  :imaposer:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on July 29, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

Andy!! You made me stress for a while... you know every rider can't wait to see you at the end of the Special - you are their last wish for the day... ha ha ha ha
Mooi, I'm looking after the Malle Moto vasbyters and MSA people's transportation.
 Any stress anyone ? Never fear when Adrian is near.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 29, 2015, 07:02:13 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

Andy!! You made me stress for a while... you know every rider can't wait to see you at the end of the Special - you are their last wish for the day... ha ha ha ha
Mooi, I'm looking after the Malle Moto vasbyters and MSA people's transportation.
 Any stress anyone ? Never fear when Adrian is near.

Awesome stuff!! You are going to hear some stories for sure. Hope you recount a few of them here.  :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on July 29, 2015, 08:06:18 pm
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

Andy!! You made me stress for a while... you know every rider can't wait to see you at the end of the Special - you are their last wish for the day... ha ha ha ha
Mooi, I'm looking after the Malle Moto vasbyters and MSA people's transportation.
 Any stress anyone ? Never fear when Adrian is near.

You're gonna be my new best friend  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on July 29, 2015, 10:10:18 pm
Hey , Hey !

Ive got friends !
We will be waiting for you when you speed on the Liazons ! Lol

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/hunday/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg.html)

MARSHALS HAVE CONTACTS !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on July 29, 2015, 10:46:37 pm
Best tasting water I have ever had was what Andy handed to us after some of those specials last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: B2B on July 29, 2015, 11:18:54 pm
Those good old blue boys even calmed our angry farmer down.Take note do not ride through fences jump them :laughing4:And Andy sure looking forward to your welcoming cold water again :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 30, 2015, 12:26:18 am
Is someone going to sponsor Andy and John an umbrella "easy up" to stand under this year?

He started to get a bit crazy from that sun last year. ;D

I would have thought it was just Andy, but the prof start going off about fossils and things too!  ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on July 30, 2015, 08:35:31 am
Is someone going to sponsor Andy and John an umbrella "easy up" to stand under this year?

He started to get a bit crazy from that sun last year. ;D

I would have thought it was just Andy, but the prof start going off about fossils and things too!  ;)

A Gazibo and a water cooler for the riders could work !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: seankriel on July 30, 2015, 09:56:46 am
Hey , Hey !

Ive got friends !
We will be waiting for you when you speed on the Liazons ! Lol

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/hunday/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg.html)

MARSHALS HAVE CONTACTS !


BAIE BAIE funny Andy - We must not inform the dutchies - they will have a shock if a cop jumps out in front of them in the special - ha ha - just kidding guys!!

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: seankriel on July 30, 2015, 09:59:36 am
See you guys there , Im marshalling again this year !

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Steve - You know we can not Amageza without you!! lol...  :imaposer:

Can we assume you will be there too Sean  :)

Ill be there - someone has to control Andy -  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 30, 2015, 01:26:37 pm
Is someone going to sponsor Andy and John an umbrella "easy up" to stand under...
Flying Brick will sponsor 1 or even 2 Gazebo's, please call to discuss/arrange.
Cheers
Chris & Team
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on July 30, 2015, 02:00:22 pm
Hey , Hey !

Ive got friends !
We will be waiting for you when you speed on the Liazons ! Lol

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/hunday/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141106_142821_zpslbiqgmt2.jpg.html)

MARSHALS HAVE CONTACTS !

They are good guys (motorsport friendly), had same good chats with them last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on July 30, 2015, 02:27:55 pm
ja can see they're build like proper bikers...  :lol8:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on July 30, 2015, 03:13:45 pm
Is someone going to sponsor Andy and John an umbrella "easy up" to stand under...
Flying Brick will sponsor 1 or even 2 Gazebo's, please call to discuss/arrange.
Cheers
Chris & Team

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Expect a call from an Amageza person more official than me. No promises, but thanks Chris.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 30, 2015, 03:42:11 pm
Well done Chris~!! :hello2:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on July 30, 2015, 04:08:26 pm
Well done Chris~!! :hello2:

Indeed - I'll probably be using one quite a bit. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on July 30, 2015, 04:18:44 pm
Is someone going to sponsor Andy and John an umbrella "easy up" to stand under...
Flying Brick will sponsor 1 or even 2 Gazebo's, please call to discuss/arrange.
Cheers
Chris & Team

Complete with bar fridge, free beer and a mist spray?





That would win you a LOT of friends amongst all the entrants.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on July 30, 2015, 06:04:26 pm
Ian, I think you're gonna be a little disappointed - But its nice to dream isn't it?

I bet you will be thinking about these exact words when you are hot and thirsty somewhere in the windblown sand trying to deal finding the route or undoing some technical challenge. ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on July 30, 2015, 07:00:33 pm
Spoil sport!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on July 30, 2015, 08:21:47 pm
Thanks Chris!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on July 31, 2015, 09:34:12 am
Andy, I can sponsor you some road-cones!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on July 31, 2015, 04:08:18 pm
Can anyone tell me off hand what the cutoff date is for 'buying' access for another crew member in a support vehicle?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on August 05, 2015, 12:41:15 pm
my bike is a WR450 2011. anybody have any previous experience on best gearing / sprocket ratios to fit?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 05, 2015, 01:12:22 pm
my bike is a WR450 2011. anybody have any previous experience on best gearing / sprocket ratios to fit?

14/48 or 15/48. Depends if you like low down grunt or top speed more both are a lot faster...  Get some extra Chain sliders, mine wore out fast!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on August 05, 2015, 01:30:48 pm
Friday 7th, 4pm

The Beach Tavern

http://thebeachtavern.co.za/ (http://thebeachtavern.co.za/)

5 Loxton Rd, Woodbridge Island, Milnerton, Cape Town

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=71220.msg3310952#msg3310952 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=71220.msg3310952#msg3310952)

Bring your rally bike, there is parking right where the tables are so you can keep a beady eye on it.

Many people haven't seen a rally prepared bike up close and would like to.

Our Team 525 will have a few bikes there and also be announcing who has won a seat on our support vehicle. The auction closes at 6.59pm and we'll make the appointment soon after that;

Auction of seat on Amageza 2015 Backup vehicle (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=176923.0)

(if you have any buddies who are keen to do it next year, this might be the very next best way to get an idea of what it entails)

Come along!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 05, 2015, 01:31:46 pm
Greta idea Andrew!! :hello2:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on August 05, 2015, 01:34:18 pm
Greta idea Andrew!! :hello2:

Who is Greta, what did she do previously auctioning seats? :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 05, 2015, 01:44:55 pm
Sowwy,

(http://bestdemotivationalposters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/navy-dyslexia-best-demotivational-posters.jpg)


I asked Greta to be there too.  ;)

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on August 06, 2015, 06:15:23 am
my bike is a WR450 2011. anybody have any previous experience on best gearing / sprocket ratios to fit?
I have a YZ with WR box and that runs well on 14/51 Would consider going a bit lower at the back
Think my 2007 WR is 14/48
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 06, 2015, 10:51:58 am
my bike is a WR450 2011. anybody have any previous experience on best gearing / sprocket ratios to fit?
I have a YZ with WR

Gimme gimme gimme!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 06, 2015, 11:48:17 am
How many K's????  :lamer:

(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AAC3wgqVoOl1caFOiBMe-ddEX7K_iaINYG8vbI_ooTdGKw/12/17213641/png/32x32/1/_/1/2/Screenshot%202015-08-06%2011.46.05.png/ENDi6wwYlqMGIAEoAQ/b963beVe3TrPeKruRLC2CfMdNBzh3q9yl5v46HA0It4?size=1024x768&size_mode=2)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on August 06, 2015, 03:03:13 pm
I've made up a spreadsheet that does all the gearing/sprocket/ combinations using rpm /speed and it shows interesting comparisons for options. One thing which is quickly obvious is that in 1st gear there is very little real difference even with significant ratio changes, but as one goes up through the gears, with the increasingly wide spaces caused by the higher gears the effect on potential top speed becomes significant. This is interesting not because of the possibility of running extreme speeds, but rather to enable the bike to cruise on the very long liaisons at a reasonable rpm and to give better fuel consumption. I've attached it here in case anyone wants to use it. If you're using a different bike then you will need to insert the appropriate gearbox ratios and sprocket combos. Amend rather than delete info or you will wipe out the calculation info in each cell.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on August 06, 2015, 03:04:45 pm
Jassas. Just saw that the last SS is something like 750kms  :o
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 06, 2015, 03:48:34 pm
Ya the distances are hectic this year. I think Alex may have felt stung by the view it was too easy last year. Apparently that is NOT the case this year!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 06, 2015, 04:15:03 pm
hahahahaha - nervous laughter.
MA-SE-HARE the distances are beeeeeg.
Fuel gonna be tight for a lot of guys too looks like (me included).... (changes race-face for lets-just-try-finish-face)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 06, 2015, 05:19:01 pm
.... (changes race-face for lets-just-try-finish-face)

Famous last words...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 06, 2015, 05:24:11 pm
hahahahaha - nervous laughter.
MA-SE-HARE the distances are beeeeeg.
Fuel gonna be tight for a lot of guys too looks like (me included).... (changes race-face for lets-just-try-finish-face)

 :deal: :deal: :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 06, 2015, 05:24:47 pm
.... (changes race-face for lets-just-try-finish-face)

Famous last words...

BRAAAAAAAPPPPP  :biggrin:
Rather fail in style than finish in dull manner?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 06, 2015, 05:26:41 pm
All of a sudden you have to back-off from the throttle just to finish the stage. 
690 can easily do 560-600 km on open road;  Racing different story though.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 06, 2015, 06:48:53 pm
Last years Springbok stage....if that happens and guys go wrong once or twice by 15-20km...that ought to be enough to leave people languishing to get to the finish with no reserve fuel left...

Hope there will be less fence lines to run and more navigation. Its not going to be just Braap this year that is for sure.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 06, 2015, 06:55:57 pm
How does that mechanic whistle go? Fwew Fwew Fweeeeeew.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 06, 2015, 07:28:53 pm
 Groooot afstande, groot pret.
 Ramlammers te skei van die Ramme.
 Sommer  marathon stage 1& 2,  van die begin af. Almal nog in ZA, recovery is goedkoper, Alex jou doring!
 Vet uitdaging.
Stages 3 tot 6 , vasbyting.
Stage 7, Springbok na Kimberley se SS is 764 km, net die bestes se kos.
Well, well !
Dit lyk op papier, die taaiste AMAGEZA tot nou toe !
Nou is dit erenstige sake,
GOOD LUCK to all !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 06, 2015, 08:06:43 pm
Can i still ask for a refund?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 06, 2015, 09:08:24 pm
Can i still ask for a refund?  :peepwall:

 :imaposer:
I fear that is a question on a few peoples minds  :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kamanya on August 06, 2015, 10:43:16 pm
Stage 5 is interesting.

It's a monster liaison of 552k's and SS of 287.

It's either the fence line of 100k's of sand dunes or something close to the eco trail in the Richtersveld. If I go by my previous experiences, both are about the same distance for the SS.

If it is the sand dunes, that took me 4 hours on stage, but 5 to get to Kakamas and I was midfield, (quickest was 2:30 for the stage, therefore 3.5 to get to Kakamas) . From there it is another 552 to Springbok. That's a long fucking ride after riding dunes for 100k's

If it's direct past the dunes to somewhere close to the Eco trail, that's at least 5 hours of riding to get to the trail. Last year the trail took me 9 hours to do 300k's, (( did have a puncture that took an hour) (the fastest time over the 318k's was 5 hours)). But on Amageza 2012, it took me 3 hours to do it but the route was made for big KTM's and I was navigating well.

Either way, no one is getting home by 4 in the afternoon.

Everyone better have good lights!

In anticipation of exactly this, Team 525 have the best available...

For less than the draw of an insipid KTM 525 headlight that can't light the back of the garage when you're parked in it, we've got 2 x single LED spots rated at a 1000 lumens each with a price of R650

http://www.extremelights.co.za (http://www.extremelights.co.za)

(https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/i-wfrc65P/0/L/Extreme%20lights%20logo-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015/06-Pre-Amageza/49536865_387BFL#!i=4263431275&k=wfrc65P&lb=1&s=A)

Hopefully nobody in our team needs to use them, but with what I've written above....

I'm kaking myself!

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 07, 2015, 09:01:43 am
What type of cement did Team 525 buy?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 07, 2015, 09:43:50 am
Stage 5 is interesting.

It's a monster liaison of 552k's and SS of 287.

It's either the fence line of 100k's of sand dunes or something close to the eco trail in the Richtersveld. If I go by my previous experiences, both are about the same distance for the SS.

If it is the sand dunes, that took me 4 hours on stage, but 5 to get to Kakamas and I was midfield, (quickest was 2:30 for the stage, therefore 3.5 to get to Kakamas) . From there it is another 552 to Springbok. That's a long fucking ride after riding dunes for 100k's

If it's direct past the dunes to somewhere close to the Eco trail, that's at least 5 hours of riding to get to the trail. Last year the trail took me 9 hours to do 300k's, (( did have a puncture that took an hour) (the fastest time over the 318k's was 5 hours)). But on Amageza 2012, it took me 3 hours to do it but the route was made for big KTM's and I was navigating well.

Either way, no one is getting home by 4 in the afternoon.

Everyone better have good lights!

In anticipation of exactly this, Team 525 have the best available...

For less than the draw of an insipid KTM 525 headlight that can't light the back of the garage when you're parked in it, we've got 2 x single LED spots rated at a 1000 lumens each with a price of R650

http://www.extremelights.co.za (http://www.extremelights.co.za)

Hopefully nobody in our team needs to use them, but with what I've written above....

I'm kaking myself!



I'm looking into adding a spotlight as we speak
 EDIT - Spotlights ..... crazy retina burning battery draining sun-lumen spotlights. the dassies are gonna kak themselves
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 07, 2015, 11:15:00 am
 Gaan jy dan berg klim ?
Ek so se meerkatte, muishonde, jakkalse, die goed wat plat op die aarde is.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on August 07, 2015, 01:01:39 pm
On 2014 I used thè 3600 lumens from extreme and it lit the pass at the end of the day 3 SS like day light. I give it a  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 09, 2015, 09:43:22 am
OK, here's a question that's making me nervous. I'm on a KTM 450 2014, I have the 20L powerparts fuel tank, do you guys think I'm gonna have enough fuel? Really don't want to run out but really don't want to spend more money on an extra tank.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 09, 2015, 11:01:41 am
I think you are going to be 4l short on a dune stage.  But you will need to test in dunes.  Courier the bike to me in Upington and I'll give you written report  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 09, 2015, 11:53:01 am
Question 2, will they smell or taste your "water" in the bash plate?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 09, 2015, 02:25:29 pm
T9er they will be checking the water containers in scrutineering for sure. You wont be allowed to start if you don't have a water container on the bike as you know. After that its unlikely but still possible they will check.

Bear in mind its a safety thing. People die on the Dakar because they dont have enough water. Lets pray the same never happens at Amageza...with the same length of stages. You get stuck out there with only your 3L camelback, already empty due to a tough part of the stage earlier in the day, you could easily die.

Check this guy out on the Dakar this year.
https://www.youtube.com/v/YLZI-TdZOFE
See the way he was behaving? That is not just dehydration, it is the onset of heat stroke. I have treated people with heat stroke - it gets bad really, really quickly. If that helicopter had not arrived when it did, I think this guy would have gone into a coma within about 15 minutes - even with the help he was getting before the heli arrived. Death follows shortly after.

Guys, its hot out there be careful and STAY hydrated. Please believe me when I say this: you will need all the extra help you can get, including that extra water tank, which is an important part of your safety system.


To your other question about the range of 20L: Its simply not going to be enough. I would say 25L is a bare minimum you should have. You can get an auxiliary tank which goes on at the back of the bike and should do the job. :deal: Maybe Chris our local rally vendor has something for you??

Otherwise here, here and here
http://www.acerbis.com/prodotti.php?idpr=286 (http://www.acerbis.com/prodotti.php?idpr=286)
http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/products (http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/products)
http://www.nomadtanks.com.au/ (http://www.nomadtanks.com.au/)


BTW I deleted that post that would be to the detriment and incrimination of not-so-innocent - Sorry BD.  :evil6:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 09, 2015, 02:32:16 pm
Oh BTW for the riders: If you come accross a guy out there acting a bit crazy he is likely going into heat exhaustion/heat stroke.

Symptoms

Dilated pupils
Irrational behavior
rapid or irregular pulse
Often aggressive
skin hot and dry to the touch
Loss of consciousness & coma.

Get him into shade and pour water onto him, but the important part is to fan him, just pouring water does not cool fast enough.

Try by all means to cool the body temp down as fast as possible, and call for help, obviously.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 09, 2015, 03:00:55 pm
The new bigger hydration packs made by USWE (and by them for Leatt) will take a 3l bladder but due to their size can also accommodate at least another 2 l one as well. Many guys doing Roof and long enduros are going this route these days to ensure enough liquid - also nice is that you can have plain H2O in one and hydro mix in another. The USWE/Leatt also has the best no monkey back harness system out there.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 09, 2015, 07:13:34 pm
Just a counterpoint to all the water stuff, and without getting into a massive debate - we should see pretty benign temperatures this year.  Last year it was much later, thus massively hotter.  I carried 5 l of fluid into every stage (in my case, 3 l was coffee, of course).  This year, I'll up the coffee percentage and down the total volume... :P
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 09, 2015, 08:25:40 pm
Bear in mind its a safety thing. People die on the Dakar because they dont have enough water. Lets pray the same never happens at Amageza...with the same length of stages. You get stuck out there with only your 3L camelback, already empty due to a tough part of the stage earlier in the day, you could easily die.

Brilliant post, BB. Heatstroke is no fun, the water rules are to keep you guys happy and healthy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 10, 2015, 06:23:42 am
Ok, ok guys, calm down the water thing was just a joke. Besides my preferred way of trying to kill my self is riding through cows.

But seriously does anyone have this set up and know the range on that tank though? My guess is about 280km based on riding around a MX track but not sure over rally terrain and the biggest concern sand?

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: adamktm on August 10, 2015, 07:38:21 am
The new bigger hydration packs made by USWE (and by them for Leatt) will take a 3l bladder but due to their size can also accommodate at least another 2 l one as well. Many guys doing Roof and long enduros are going this route these days to ensure enough liquid - also nice is that you can have plain H2O in one and hydro mix in another. The USWE/Leatt also has the best no monkey back harness system out there.  :thumleft:


I did this last year at the roof and I didn't run out of fluid once. I had to share mine with my riding buddy for the last 2 hrs on the final day and he was the one saying before the roof that I was crazy to carry so much fluid on my back. It was also nice having plane water as the 32GI does get a bit sweet.

I use a hydropak 3l and put the 2l bladder in the front pouch.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Nitro on August 10, 2015, 07:48:17 am
Still have my husky 511 , if anyone has some last minute bike issues.

Ready to race
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 10, 2015, 08:13:15 am
Ok, ok guys, calm down the water thing was just a joke. Besides my preferred way of trying to kill my self is riding through cows.

But seriously does anyone have this set up and know the range on that tank though? My guess is about 280km based on riding around a MX track but not sure over rally terrain and the biggest concern sand?



Cows do drain your fuel considerably!
Ive got a bit more fuel than you bud. 22l safely. And a low power setting for fuel saving. I didnt run out last year,  apart from when i opted to try make a liason without a 40km loop for fuel. But really it all depends on the sand sections. Im hoping that the long sections of no fuel are more open and the sand is similar to last year. I think there will be ss sections where alot of us are not flat out for fuel reasons. I remember you almost running out of fuel on day-3 2 years ago.... But then that section where we were pinning it at like 150 for quite awhile probably contributed alot towards your low fuel

My opinion...you gonna be a few L short. Unless you take the long  no fuel sections a little slower.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 10, 2015, 11:46:16 am
The new bigger hydration packs made by USWE (and by them for Leatt) will take a 3l bladder but due to their size can also accommodate at least another 2 l one as well. Many guys doing Roof and long enduros are going this route these days to ensure enough liquid - also nice is that you can have plain H2O in one and hydro mix in another. The USWE/Leatt also has the best no monkey back harness system out there.  :thumleft:


I did this last year at the roof and I didn't run out of fluid once. I had to share mine with my riding buddy for the last 2 hrs on the final day and he was the one saying before the roof that I was crazy to carry so much fluid on my back. It was also nice having plane water as the 32GI does get a bit sweet.

I use a hydropak 3l and put the 2l bladder in the front pouch.

Curious to know what you mean by front pouch - is that part of the Leatt system?

Did you run a mix in the 2L or 3L?

Cheers :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 10, 2015, 11:48:07 am
Ok, ok guys, calm down the water thing was just a joke. Besides my preferred way of trying to kill my self is riding through cows.

But seriously does anyone have this set up and know the range on that tank though? My guess is about 280km based on riding around a MX track but not sure over rally terrain and the biggest concern sand?



Cows do drain your fuel considerably!
Ive got a bit more fuel than you bud. 22l safely. And a low power setting for fuel saving. I didnt run out last year,  apart from when i opted to try make a liason without a 40km loop for fuel. But really it all depends on the sand sections. Im hoping that the long sections of no fuel are more open and the sand is similar to last year. I think there will be ss sections where alot of us are not flat out for fuel reasons. I remember you almost running out of fuel on day-3 2 years ago.... But then that section where we were pinning it at like 150 for quite awhile probably contributed alot towards your low fuel

My opinion...you gonna be a few L short. Unless you take the long  no fuel sections a little slower.

Enjoy living on the edge huh? ;D Flip bud, I would be nervous about making one or two nav errors and running out that way. It would end your chances of a good placing right there and set the snowball running for the rest of the race.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 10, 2015, 12:28:43 pm
OK, here's a question that's making me nervous. I'm on a KTM 450 2014, I have the 20L powerparts fuel tank, do you guys think I'm gonna have enough fuel? Really don't want to run out but really don't want to spend more money on an extra tank.

There are a LOT of us with that same setup - prob at least 10 that I know of. So we all risk it together, I guess. I'm not buying new tanks now. Was fine last year, and we had a 300km stage on stage 3, but less sand. RS Concept run their Dakar bikes with the same tank and say it's fine and you don't need more.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 10, 2015, 12:48:40 pm
Ok, ok guys, calm down the water thing was just a joke. Besides my preferred way of trying to kill my self is riding through cows.

But seriously does anyone have this set up and know the range on that tank though? My guess is about 280km based on riding around a MX track but not sure over rally terrain and the biggest concern sand?



Cows do drain your fuel considerably!
Ive got a bit more fuel than you bud. 22l safely. And a low power setting for fuel saving. I didnt run out last year,  apart from when i opted to try make a liason without a 40km loop for fuel. But really it all depends on the sand sections. Im hoping that the long sections of no fuel are more open and the sand is similar to last year. I think there will be ss sections where alot of us are not flat out for fuel reasons. I remember you almost running out of fuel on day-3 2 years ago.... But then that section where we were pinning it at like 150 for quite awhile probably contributed alot towards your low fuel

My opinion...you gonna be a few L short. Unless you take the long  no fuel sections a little slower.

Enjoy living on the edge huh? ;D Flip bud, I would be nervous about making one or two nav errors and running out that way. It would end your chances of a good placing right there and set the snowball running for the rest of the race.

Nav errors? What are those?  ::) jokes
You must remember that im running a fuel injected bike ;) i get incredible economy compared to the carb bikes. I recon i need 3-4 l less than a carb model. Also...on the liason sections i run at the low power setting and get a good few extra km per litre.
If you look at it..330km (this includes 10% safety for getting lost etc) on my bike is 15km per liter ( conservatively if my bike only takes 22l.... It takes more actually) yes that is tight if its 330km of sand.... But its not likely to be....else no one will get to the end....not even the bikes with 30l tanks!
If you take a 25l tank....you would get away with 13.2 km per litre. Thats 2km per litre difference.... And I guarantee that a fuel injected bike does well in excess of 2km per litre more than a carb bike.
Most of the carb 450's and 525's etc are running 25 odd litres.
But dont get me wrong here....its a stress....along with all the other worries... Like is my engine gonna even make 5000km without needing a rebuild hahaha. Fuel is a big one tho. Especially as it limits your navigational errors as you said.

My guess.... As per always- mechanicals are gonna take a massive toll by the end of this baby. We gonna need to really take care of our bikes and ourselves. But i think that mental fitness is going to play a big roll too this time. Its a fine line between being too laid back and over stressing. Now let me go find my alzam  :lol8:
Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on August 10, 2015, 01:32:22 pm
I'm just saying. Day 1 last year I ran out 7km before the end of the SS (I mean dry dry) and I have a 24l tank. But I was reckless at the beginning of the day and could easily have made it if I had just ridden a lot more conservatively. If I was doing Amageza again this year I would have the safari rear tank on my 530 however
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 10, 2015, 01:51:00 pm

You must remember that im running a fuel injected bike ;) i get incredible economy compared to the carb bikes. I recon i need 3-4 l less than a carb model. Also...on the liason sections i run at the low power setting and get a good few extra km per litre.

Very good point. Actually I was thinking about it as I typed my response, but I never realized it made that much of a difference!

I just hope the organization have a big sweeper truck ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 10, 2015, 03:32:38 pm
The FI bikes are very conservative with fuel if you aren't wide open. I wasn't even close to running out on day 1 and I gave a bit to Andrew when he was stuck on the side of the track. I nearly ran out on day 3 - fumes at the end - but lost probably 3l when I fell and broke my tank. I'm just going to hold thumbs it's not an issue.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 11, 2015, 08:30:16 am
Ok, ok guys, calm down the water thing was just a joke. Besides my preferred way of trying to kill my self is riding through cows.

But seriously does anyone have this set up and know the range on that tank though? My guess is about 280km based on riding around a MX track but not sure over rally terrain and the biggest concern sand?



Cows do drain your fuel considerably!
Ive got a bit more fuel than you bud. 22l safely. And a low power setting for fuel saving. I didnt run out last year,  apart from when i opted to try make a liason without a 40km loop for fuel. But really it all depends on the sand sections. Im hoping that the long sections of no fuel are more open and the sand is similar to last year. I think there will be ss sections where alot of us are not flat out for fuel reasons. I remember you almost running out of fuel on day-3 2 years ago.... But then that section where we were pinning it at like 150 for quite awhile probably contributed alot towards your low fuel

My opinion...you gonna be a few L short. Unless you take the long  no fuel sections a little slower.

Enjoy living on the edge huh? ;D Flip bud, I would be nervous about making one or two nav errors and running out that way. It would end your chances of a good placing right there and set the snowball running for the rest of the race.

Nav errors? What are those?  ::) jokes
You must remember that im running a fuel injected bike ;) i get incredible economy compared to the carb bikes. I recon i need 3-4 l less than a carb model. Also...on the liason sections i run at the low power setting and get a good few extra km per litre.
If you look at it..330km (this includes 10% safety for getting lost etc) on my bike is 15km per liter ( conservatively if my bike only takes 22l.... It takes more actually) yes that is tight if its 330km of sand.... But its not likely to be....else no one will get to the end....not even the bikes with 30l tanks!
If you take a 25l tank....you would get away with 13.2 km per litre. Thats 2km per litre difference.... And I guarantee that a fuel injected bike does well in excess of 2km per litre more than a carb bike.
Most of the carb 450's and 525's etc are running 25 odd litres.
But dont get me wrong here....its a stress....along with all the other worries... Like is my engine gonna even make 5000km without needing a rebuild hahaha. Fuel is a big one tho. Especially as it limits your navigational errors as you said.

My guess.... As per always- mechanicals are gonna take a massive toll by the end of this baby. We gonna need to really take care of our bikes and ourselves. But i think that mental fitness is going to play a big roll too this time. Its a fine line between being too laid back and over stressing. Now let me go find my alzam  :lol8:


Let me set your mind at ease:  My 690 does 20km to the litre and I carry 28 litres.   Not racing though.
I close the throttle a bit and I would probably get more km per litre.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 11, 2015, 09:17:08 am
My main mode of transport has injection too, takes 60 liters of diesel but the poor thing is only rear wheel drive, then again so are most in the Amageza.

I average about 17k's per liter. Might do a little less in the sand (haven't tried).

Could be a smart move to take my little 1 series out :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gavin on August 11, 2015, 11:00:03 am
A few weeks ago i pre ran the Jozi2Kozi , with 20liter tank on my 500 at a reasonable pace (not thick sand) I ran out @ 348km. in thick sand @ race pace I recon I can only do 270km
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2015, 01:15:27 pm
My only comment is that most Dakar bikes run with 28-32l. Maybe technology really is better. Or maybe the effect of less fesh fesh (trust me there is a LOT less where we ride Amageza)? :dontknow:

I think its because the stages are still shorter than the Dakar...but not this year.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2015, 01:29:51 pm
Dont think this was posted here yet. :deal:  4,911km in just 7 days. Thats an average of 701km/day So...up there with the average day length of the Dakar.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: rubiblue on August 11, 2015, 01:32:41 pm
Dont think this was posted here yet. :deal:



Think its an old version, Stage 1 only starts 30th. 29th is scrutineering and Documentation
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gavin on August 11, 2015, 01:54:45 pm
you are wrong , racing is Sat to Sat
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on August 11, 2015, 03:14:00 pm
Is that right? We've now started booking accommodation in Kimberly, 'cos I hear accommodation's not provided there. Working off current (v1.9) regs show this...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JAmBer on August 11, 2015, 03:16:52 pm
Oh, and I see the fuel endurance has been revised, too!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 11, 2015, 04:20:12 pm
So anyone seen the entry list yet?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 11, 2015, 06:15:01 pm
Worried you're not on it?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 11, 2015, 07:59:30 pm
Worried you're not on it?
or worried that you ARE on it?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 11, 2015, 08:42:41 pm
It would be great if the entry list was published....

Bliksem that last special is far...I think that will be a world record distance for a final stage and final special!! Looks like in a few year Amageza will be tougher than the Dakar. Guys will be going to Dakar to practice for Amageza ;D


Steve: I'm around to help if needed, al la 2013. :deal: ;)





Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 11, 2015, 09:06:42 pm
Faark some of those SS's are simply insane!  :eek7:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 11, 2015, 09:39:32 pm
How do we do refills on the +330k specials?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 11, 2015, 10:00:54 pm
How do we do refills on the +330k specials?
You don't . We are supposed to make it with what is in our tanks. The 330 km is the distance to the next fuel ???
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Sprocketbek on August 11, 2015, 10:18:41 pm
How do we do refills on the +330k specials?
You don't . We are supposed to make it with what is in our tanks. The 330 km is the distance to the next fuel ???

Small town, I would guess. Stretch your legs........ neutral section or something.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: RedRum on August 11, 2015, 10:31:48 pm
Quote
Endurance Fuel (km): 330km*
**Minimum endurance. Safety margin of 10% included.

So that (*) means its actually a 300km requirement with the 10% already added.... (in this version  :deal:)

 :help:


Quote
From: Amageza Racing <noreply@amageza.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Subject: 2015 Amageza: Race Info #1

<snip>
..
Please take note of the following for the 2015 Amageza:
..
6.1.3 Range required 250 km + 20% reserve = 300 km total
..
</snip>


 ???

...it was stated to be 250km with a 20% reserve = 300km Total.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 11, 2015, 10:41:21 pm
Hey boys entry list is up on the website!
Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 12, 2015, 12:19:38 pm
Hey boys entry list is up on the website!

So Joey... Have you chickened out and bought a rear tank or you sticking with the 20l? 😀
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 12, 2015, 01:02:10 pm
85 Entrants!! Wow that's really fantastic!  :thumleft:  :thumleft: :hello2: :hello2:

Believe it or not, the hardest part of Rally is getting yourself to the start line.

So, for those of you that are pressing on to make it - CONGRATULATIONS!!   8)


Once you are off on the first special, the stress is replaced by pure adventure and drama, and all that really counts is getting into the Bivouac at the end of each day.

So while you are all

nervous,
worrying about fuel range, stators, your bike,
rushing around looking for a 3 bandage and bum cream,
maybe doubting your own abilities,
wondering about what you have gotten yourselves into,
if you have what it takes,
asking yourselves how you could have been so stupid,
listening to others asking how you could have been so stupid etc.

DONT WORRY - ITS NORMAL Console yourselves that there are at least 80 other riders out there thinking the exactly same thing as you are (3 of them are not really human so have been excluded :biggrin: ). You guys are about to embark on the greatest adventure of your lives!!
People might call you crazy, but you are admired for embarking on something that is reserved for the brave.

This is event is a lot bigger than last year:

Bet you did not think of this but, its officially bigger and longer than nearly all international rallies. Entering this rally this year requires more balls than entering any one of the official FIM World Championship Cross-Country Rallies out there. Its longer than all of them. The only race that is longer than the Amageza is the Dakar.

If you think you spent too much on this rally, think again. The Dakar entry fee is no less than 15 times more expensive, not counting logistics which are also much, much cheaper in Africa. The Amageza remains the cheapest FIM rally in the world. You are getting the best bang money can buy.

Alexander Nel: I take my hat off to you sir. No bullshit - you really do walk the talk. You said you were going to do it and you have.  :salut: :notworthy:

If this little pep talk has made any of you riders feel more nervous: Relax! You are in the toughest phase right now. The twilight zone before the start. Where when you are not thinking about the race, you are rushing around trying to get last-minute things sorted out.  In a few days you will be riding your bike across some of the best terrain that can be ridden on the planet, with the security of backup and assistance in case something goes wrong. Don't back out now. Go for the glory, and enjoy it, in the knowledge that 99.5% of society will NEVER experience what you are about to.

This is likely the last year before the big international teams arrive on the scene so its your chance to really shine. Just focus, flow, and finish. One day at a time. Knock each challenge and setback one at a time as they come. Don't waste time. Rest. Ride. Enjoy it.

BRAAAAP :ricky:

Here is the list of our heroes. :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Count   Name   Category   Class   Team   Manufacturer   Model   Nationality
1   Adams Robert   Motorcycle   Open   Team 525   KTM   525   ZA
2   Addison Dave   Motorcycle               
3   Adendorff Mike   Motorcycle   Open   Team Rockfox   BMW   656 RFR   ZA
4   Adendorff Adie   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team Rockfox   KTM   450 EXC   ZA
5   Alcock GG   Motorcycle   Open   Zama Zama   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
6   Anfield Vernon   Motorcycle               
7   Baartman Bill   Motorcycle   Open   Upington Rally Team   KTM   690   ZA
8   Bennetts Aidan   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team 525   KTM   525   ZA
9   Bennetts Justin   Motorcycle   Open   Team 525   KTM   525 XCW   ZA
10   Blackburn Jonathan   Motorcycle               
11   Blignaut Hendrik   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
12   Bontekoning Brian   Motorcycle   Restricted   Subtech   KTM   450   ZA
13   Botha Johan   Motorcycle               
14   Botha Rikus   Motorcycle   Open   Malle Moto   KTM   690   ZA
15   Bredenkamp Paul   Motorcycle   Open   Roberts Racing Rallye   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
16   Crosbie Vincent   Motorcycle               
17   Cunningham James   Motorcycle   Open   Zama Zama   KTM   500   ZA
18   Curnow-Baker Scott   Motorcycle   Open   Team525   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
19   de Lange Ruan   Motorcycle   Restricted   Cape Bike Travel Rockfox   Yamaha   WR450   ZA
20   de Villiers Johannes   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   KTM   690   ZA
21   Deyzel Claude   Motorcycle   Restricted   KTM   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
22   du Plooy Quintin   Motorcycle   Open   Malle Moto   KTM   690   ZA
23   Du Toit Willem   Motorcycle   Restricted   Upington Rally Team   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
24   Du Toit Gerrit   Motorcycle   Open   Malle Moto   Husqvarna   SM610   ZA
25   Eich Thomas   Motorcycle   Open   Omega Rally Power   KTM   690   ZA
26   Einarsson Thorarinn   Motorcycle   Open   Subtech   KTM   690   ISL
27   Ellis Terence   Motorcycle   Restricted   Chasing Horizons   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
28   Espag Etienne   Motorcycle   Open   Fortysomthings   KTM   690   ZA
29   Evans Joey   Motorcycle   Restricted   Malle Moto   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
30   Greeff Jacques   Motorcycle   Open   Upington Rally Team   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
31   Griffin Dave   Motorcycle               
32   Hanekom Gerhard   Motorcycle   Restricted   Upington Rally Team   Husqvarna   450   ZA
33   Henderson Ian   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team 525   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
34   Holmes Joe   Motorcycle   Restricted   Flatdogs   Yamaha   WR 450 F   ZA
35   How Peter   Motorcycle   Restricted   Subtech   BMW   G450X   ZA
36   Janse Van Rensburg Dewald   Motorcycle   Open   Vans Racing   KTM   690   ZA
37   Janse van Rensburg Hanco   Motorcycle   Open   Vans Racing   KTM   690   ZA
38   Jansen van Rensburg Johan   Motorcycle   Open   Omega Rally Power   KTM   690   ZA
39   Johnstone Andrew   Motorcycle   Open   Team 525   KTM   525   ZA
40   Jordaan Johan   Motorcycle   Open   Team VFC   KTM   690R   ZA
41   Kane-Berman Roger   Motorcycle               
42   Kinghorn Chris   Motorcycle   Open   Team ACTNET   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
43   Krober Mark   Motorcycle   Restricted   Chasing Horizons   Honda   CRF 450   ZA
44   Kruger Niel   Motorcycle   Restricted   Malle Moto Group 1   Yamaha   WR450   ZA
45   Le Roux Leon   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team Gezy   KTM   350   ZA
46   Lewis Jonathan   Motorcycle   Open   00000000000   BMW   G 650X Challeng   ZA
47   Lourens Martin   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team Martin Lourens   Yamaha   WR450   ZA
48   Lubbe Henry   Motorcycle   Open   Monkeybutt   KTM   690   ZA
49   Lutzeler Niklaus   Motorcycle   Restricted   NL Design Rally   Husqvarna   FE 450   ZA
50   Manley Jason   Motorcycle   Open   Unisto   KTM   690R   ZA
51   Maree Hugo   Motorcycle   Open   XCO Sport   KTM   690   ZA
52   Miller Greg   Motorcycle   Open   KTM Cape Town   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
53   Moolman Hendrik   Motorcycle   Open   E2Rally   KTM   500 EXC   ZA
54   Morton Gavin   Motorcycle   Open   Zama Zama   KTM   500   ZA
55   Muszynski Barbara   Motorcycle   Restricted   Dirt Dogs Racing   BMW   G450X   ZA
56   Newton Alan   Motorcycle   Open   JADRacing   KTM   690   ZA
57   Oosthuizen Chris   Motorcycle   Open   Monkeybutt   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
58   Oppermann Chris   Motorcycle   Open   Kalahari Rally Team   KTM   530   ZA
59   Parkin Peter   Side x Side   Open   Walter Garage Racing   Can-am   Commander   ZA
60   Potgieter Kobus   Motorcycle   Open   KTM Cape Town   KTM   513 RR   ZA
61   Raaff Greg   Motorcycle   Restricted   Subtech   KTM   450 RR   ZA
62   Rabie Daniel   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
63   Riddle Ross   Motorcycle   Restricted   Ross   KTM   450 EXC   ZA
64   Roller Eddie   Motorcycle   Restricted   Dirt Dogs Racing   Yamaha   450 WR   ZA
65   Ruprecht-Gersteroph Alex   Motorcycle   Restricted   Roberts Racing Rallye   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
66   Sandenbergh Danie   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   Husqvarna   501   ZA
67   Schimmel Simon   Motorcycle   Restricted   Roberts Racing Rallye   KTM   450 EXC   NLD
68   Schoonbee Willem   Motorcycle   Open   unknown   KTM   690R   ZA
69   Schwenke Dirk   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   Husqvarna   FE501   ZA
70   Scott-Williams Neil   Motorcycle   Open   Subtech   KTM   690   ZA
71   Smit Hennie   Motorcycle   Open   SKB Racing   KTM   690 Enduro   ZA
72   Taylor Byron   Motorcycle   Open   Monkeybutt   KTM   530   ZA
73   Terblanche Walter   Motorcycle   Restricted   Team Tommie   KTM   450 RR   ZA
74   Thompson Kevin   Motorcycle   Open   Vets for Change   KTM   525 EXC   ZA
75   Turck Riaan   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   Husqvarna   501   ZA
76   v Niekerk Bernard   Motorcycle               
77   van de Langenberg Donovan   Motorcycle               
78   van den Heever Koos   Motorcycle   Open   Vets For Change   KTM   690 RR   ZA
79   Van der Byl Gerry   Motorcycle               
80   Van Der Merwe Rudie   Motorcycle   Restricted   I R Lost   KTM   450 XCW   ZA
81   van Donselaar Erik   Motorcycle               
82   van Lill Johan   Motorcycle   Open   Eddy2Race   Husqvarna   501   ZA
83   van Niekerk Dreyer   Motorcycle   Open   Lemoenskop Racing   KTM   500 XCW   ZA
84   Verschuuren Antal   Motorcycle               
85   Vertue Alfred   Motorcycle   Open   Dirtdogs Racing   KTM   690R   ZA
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 12, 2015, 01:05:50 pm
Im curious to know how many in the above list are entering for the first time.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 12, 2015, 01:08:30 pm
 The braaaabers or the BRAAAAABERS ?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 12, 2015, 02:59:13 pm
Documentation and scrutinizing is on Saturday, 29 August 2015.
Confirmed with Alex.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: rubiblue on August 12, 2015, 03:04:26 pm
you are wrong , racing is Sat to Sat
Nope you are. 29th is documentation, 1st stage is 30th, ends 5th, thus Sun to Sat
I think the error with the first pic was that it was missing the 31st August, as August has 31 days, not 30
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 12, 2015, 03:23:53 pm
Im curious to know how many in the above list are entering for the first time.

Very nice write up Neil :thumleft:

Its my 1st time.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 12, 2015, 03:25:19 pm
8

If this little pep talk has made any of you riders feel more nervous: Relax! You are in the toughest phase right now. The twilight zone before the start.

"TWILIGHT ZONE"..... queue theme song from top gun...... I WEEEENNNT  TOOOOOOO THEEEE DANGER ZONE

 :biggrin:

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 12, 2015, 05:37:33 pm
8

If this little pep talk has made any of you riders feel more nervous: Relax! You are in the toughest phase right now. The twilight zone before the start.

"TWILIGHT ZONE"..... queue theme song from top gun...... I WEEEENNNT  TOOOOOOO THEEEE DANGER ZONE

 :biggrin:



Sorry I can't think of that Tom Cruise movie right now all I can hear is him in Jerry McGuire shouting "show me the money!"
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: T9ER on August 12, 2015, 05:45:25 pm
Hey boys entry list is up on the website!

So Joey... Have you chickened out and bought a rear tank or you sticking with the 20l? 😀

I be livin on the edge! Gonna just run the 20L, I rode 280km over the weekend on mixed terrain not racing but just riding smooth and got 280km with 3.9L left so that would give me about 330 all in. I figure I'll know from the road book which stages are pushing the edge of my distance and ride accordingly. What's the worst that could happen......actually a lot.......errr......not gonna think about it anymore 20L it is! Will probably take some extra space blankets though ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 12, 2015, 05:53:07 pm
No prologue this year it seems? :scratch: Might be a good thing! ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 12, 2015, 06:44:15 pm
Didn't realise it was only 16 days...  :o

Think I'm getting more nerves than before my wedding!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on August 12, 2015, 07:32:18 pm
Hey guys
If someone is looking for a mechanic at this late stage
Andrew (Twoboy) is still available
this guy has been all over even at the Australian rally
assisted Mark Diver last year
he can be contacted at zero eight two 829 4491
Lives in Randburg area
If I had the space he would be in my backup vehicle
Andrew is prepping my bike for Amageza and helped me get the HP to the finish line last year.
Works from home
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 12, 2015, 08:22:30 pm
Last year my 690 ate a fuel pump during the prologue.  This year 16 days before the race.  Makes me nervous.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 12, 2015, 08:32:19 pm
BTB, I reckon on the KTM that is the one piece you want to take with in your pack on a trip like this.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 12, 2015, 08:51:26 pm
True  :lamer:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 13, 2015, 08:39:58 am
No prologue this year it seems? :scratch: Might be a good thing! ;D

Ja - I heard a rumour starting grid according to position last year? and after that for newbies?

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 13, 2015, 09:00:47 am
That will likely be the case.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 13, 2015, 09:04:09 am
No prologue this year it seems? :scratch: Might be a good thing! ;D

Ja - I heard a rumour starting grid according to position last year? and after that for newbies?



From that latest Amageza Event Guide:

"Starting positions:
a. Day 1 starting positions will be by the finishing order of the 2014 Amageza with new entrants
placed behind the initial starting positions by experience in other races, at the discretion of the
organisers.
b. Neither race numbers, nor starting positions can be reserved."
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 13, 2015, 09:16:26 am
 . . . dan is dit net noorde toe, dan suid, dan wes en ten laaste ooswaards !
Klink eenvoudig , maar, ek dink die stories en verhale daarna gaan iets wees om te hoor.
I heard that this Amageza 2015 is the 2nd longest rally in the world after Dakar ?
What a privilege to be part of this AMAGEZA 2015 !

BRAAAAP ! BRAAAAAP !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 14, 2015, 07:23:50 am
Hey boys entry list is up on the website!

So Joey... Have you chickened out and bought a rear tank or you sticking with the 20l? 😀

I be livin on the edge! Gonna just run the 20L, I rode 280km over the weekend on mixed terrain not racing but just riding smooth and got 280km with 3.9L left so that would give me about 330 all in. I figure I'll know from the road book which stages are pushing the edge of my distance and ride accordingly. What's the worst that could happen......actually a lot.......errr......not gonna think about it anymore 20L it is! Will probably take some extra space blankets though ;)

That's all of us! Seriously though - I think the bulk of the bikes will be in a similar situation, so perhaps we'll end up having one of those 'slow races'! :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 14, 2015, 09:18:28 am
I'm really good at slow races, as I've had such a lot of experience.

For what its worth, I carry 24 l on my 690.  In our team, I have the least fuel!  I think the other guys learned from stage 1 last year.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 14, 2015, 09:43:25 am
I'm really good at slow races, as I've had such a lot of experience.

For what its worth, I carry 24 l on my 690.  In our team, I have the least fuel!  I think the other guys learned from stage 1 last year.

I know quite a few guys ran out of fuel on day one cause they didn't leave with full tanks..... We knew it was gonna be sand so a good few decided to keep the bikes light and not fill up - error  :o
Lucky I didn't do that cause with my fuel filter issues the bike was very heavy on fuel and I almost ran out for that reason.

My sneaky plan is to try stay in the front-ish of the pack....that way I can trade fuel for sandwiches - I'm sure someone will want sandwiches....   OR in dire situations - I'll trade fuel for a picture with my Seconder (aka pit-girl).... this requires at least a 20L borrow.... and maybe some skittles.  :biggrin: (she will be in BMW colours - but I have no doubt you'll get over that)


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 14, 2015, 09:48:24 am
I'm really good at slow races, as I've had such a lot of experience.

For what its worth, I carry 24 l on my 690.  In our team, I have the least fuel!  I think the other guys learned from stage 1 last year.

I know quite a few guys ran out of fuel on day one cause they didn't leave with full tanks..... We knew it was gonna be sand so a good few decided to keep the bikes light and not fill up - error  :o
Lucky I didn't do that cause with my fuel filter issues the bike was very heavy on fuel and I almost ran out for that reason.

My sneaky plan is to try stay in the front-ish of the pack....that way I can trade fuel for sandwiches - I'm sure someone will want sandwiches....   OR in dire situations - I'll trade fuel for a picture with my Seconder (aka pit-girl).... this requires at least a 20L borrow.... and maybe some skittles.  :biggrin: (she will be in BMW colours - but I have no doubt you'll get over that)




I shall only trade for Whiskey!!!   :deal: :thumleft: ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 14, 2015, 10:17:42 am
I'm really good at slow races, as I've had such a lot of experience.

For what its worth, I carry 24 l on my 690.  In our team, I have the least fuel!  I think the other guys learned from stage 1 last year.

I know quite a few guys ran out of fuel on day one cause they didn't leave with full tanks..... We knew it was gonna be sand so a good few decided to keep the bikes light and not fill up - error  :o
Lucky I didn't do that cause with my fuel filter issues the bike was very heavy on fuel and I almost ran out for that reason.

My sneaky plan is to try stay in the front-ish of the pack....that way I can trade fuel for sandwiches - I'm sure someone will want sandwiches....   OR in dire situations - I'll trade fuel for a picture with my Seconder (aka pit-girl).... this requires at least a 20L borrow.... and maybe some skittles.  :biggrin: (she will be in BMW colours - but I have no doubt you'll get over that)




I shall only trade for Whiskey!!!   :deal: :thumleft: ;D

I'm basically riding a 28L fuel tanker... So if you guys somehow manage to end up behind me... I will trade fuel for bike picking up assistance :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 14, 2015, 10:29:59 am
[   OR in dire situations - I'll trade fuel for a picture with my Seconder (aka pit-girl).... this requires at least a 20L borrow.... and maybe some skittles.  :biggrin: (she will be in BMW colours - but I have no doubt you'll get over that)

As they say in the tropics... This thread is WORTHLESS without pictures!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 14, 2015, 10:40:54 am
Minxy, if you switch the power setting on your G450X RR to low, you will have a lot of picky-uppers.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 14, 2015, 01:27:26 pm
Minxy, if you switch the power setting on your G450X RR to low, you will have a lot of picky-uppers.

I might just do this for the easier sections ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 14, 2015, 01:57:55 pm
To all the experienced rallyers out there:

fitting new tires for the race: which of these would be a better choice? Bearing in mind I'm Malle Moto, and would prefer to not have to change my tires half way through if possible... It's a big heavy bike (comparatively)

Pirelli Rally
Pirelli RallyCross
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 14, 2015, 02:39:48 pm
Hey! Who's calling my old X big and heavy??!! 😀

Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with either option. How many are you planning on using? Mousses or tubes or tubliss? New tyres are better than old ones, so if you can change more often on the RC for the same price that's maybe better. I think you'll do fine on 1 front and 2 reads with the Rally though.

I'm running Desert front and Pirelli XC Mid Hard on the rear - from their enduro range. I'll probably manage with 1 front and 2 rears too...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 14, 2015, 02:57:00 pm
Have you seen your old X lined up next to some sleek 450s? Definately lost the bikini body!

The rallys are more expensive, read the rallycross have really soft pliable sidewalls... I plan on using one set with tubes, and my partially worn Mitas E09s as backup. But I'm not a pro at changing tires by myself, and I'll probably have later nights than most of you (the X and I haven't quite figured out 3 digit speeds on narrow trails yet), and would rather spend evenings doing something more interesting, like admiring the unspoiled view of the milky ay, or checking the next days road book.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 14, 2015, 03:03:55 pm
To all the experienced rallyers out there:

fitting new tires for the race: which of these would be a better choice? Bearing in mind I'm Malle Moto, and would prefer to not have to change my tires half way through if possible... It's a big heavy bike (comparatively)

Pirelli Rally
Pirelli RallyCross

Get the rally ones bud - top one.

The MT 21 is an awesome tyre and will last longer, but the carcass is not as strong and more puncture prone)
On the front I'd Definitely go with the Rally no question (Will handle all offroad conditions better and will last 5000km)
On the rear Well the Rally cross will last the entire race.... but so will the Rally if you not racing hard and again the rally is less prone to punctures and snake-bites. The rally is also better in the sand due to the profile and tread pattern.
(to give you an idea- at 'race pace' last year - I did the entire amageza on one rear Michellin desert. Yes it was wanked as a race tyre, .... but it could have done more before being worn out.)

The big question is if you riding mousses? The rally tyres harder carcass saves the mousse a bit IMO. Softer carcass means ur mousse might need replacing - same problem as changing a tyre.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 14, 2015, 03:04:06 pm
There will be a Pirelli tire service, so you don't have to DIY if you don't want to.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 14, 2015, 03:05:57 pm

My sneaky plan is to try stay in the front-ish of the pack....that way I can trade fuel for sandwiches - I'm sure someone will want sandwiches....   OR in dire situations - I'll trade fuel for a picture with my Seconder (aka pit-girl).... this requires at least a 20L borrow.... and maybe some skittles.  :biggrin: (she will be in BMW colours - but I have no doubt you'll get over that)



What type of sandwiches?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 14, 2015, 03:06:21 pm
Sorry - just saw U using tubes... make sure they have slime or tyre shield in! and get the harder carcass rally tyre - no doubt.

Bill - good point on the tyre changing service :)
And - the good kinda sandwiches...... nomnomnom
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 14, 2015, 03:11:02 pm

And - the good kinda sandwiches...... nomnomnom

In that case we'll talk...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 14, 2015, 03:31:49 pm
There's nothing wrong with BMW colours on a pit girl! Or even a bike, for that matter!

Do you have a favourite colour skittles?

Another question for the regulars:

Section 14 SRs

Every competitor is allowed to organise his (or hers, to accommodate Minxy) own accommodation, food, back-up and mechanical support...

Except it would seem, the Malle Moto guys aren't allowed the mechanical support.

They say they feed us, but accommodation, do we just pitch tent in field, ride bike to a decent 4* hotel, get your family to go on a camping trip and have your bed ready for you each night?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 14, 2015, 04:45:32 pm
There's nothing wrong with BMW colours on a pit girl! Or even a bike, for that matter!

Do you have a favourite colour skittles?

Another question for the regulars:

Section 14 SRs

Every competitor is allowed to organise his (or hers, to accommodate Minxy) own accommodation, food, back-up and mechanical support...

Except it would seem, the Malle Moto guys aren't allowed the mechanical support.

They say they feed us, but accommodation, do we just pitch tent in field, ride bike to a decent 4* hotel, get your family to go on a camping trip and have your bed ready for you each night?

Far as I know - You need a tent a mattress and sleeping bag in your trommel. (There is NO accom at haakskeenpan anyway so even we need tents etc)
When you pull in - you pitch said tent and crash ;)
There will be a set of basic tools for the malle moto guys.

BTW - if you get outside help its no biggie - BUT you are not classed as male moto anymore. Which I think will be the last of your worries at 01h30 AM on some idle Tuesday  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 14, 2015, 04:58:26 pm
Noble Steed, you da man! Riding an X-Challenge  :notworthy:

Shows real taste, matched possibly by Minxy who is leaving her factory KTM 660 monster at home to ride a BMW.

Gooi a few peechas?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 14, 2015, 05:38:36 pm
I'm a little short of pics, had a recent accident with my phone, well, these things happen. Will have some of it in a more natural habitat on a HDD at home somewhere, but this is relaxing outside work (yes the rally bike is also the commuter...)

Only see 4 BMWs on the entry list, we're that special!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 14, 2015, 06:06:11 pm
Noble Steed, you da man! Riding an X-Challenge  :notworthy:

Shows real taste, matched possibly by Minxy who is leaving her factory KTM 660 monster at home to ride a BMW.

Gooi a few peechas?

It seriously, seriously crossed my mind to ride that 690... I did all my navigational training on it and it handled so well in the sand and other technical bits we did. I really do think it would be a super bike for Amageza... If it wasn't so damn heavy to pick up! >:( :'(
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 14, 2015, 06:09:12 pm
Thats a sweet ride, Noble steed!! :thumleft:

I agree with bonova, and the michelins are still the best in the market if you can get you hands on one of those.

Cheers & ride safe

Neil :paw:

To all the experienced rallyers out there:

fitting new tires for the race: which of these would be a better choice? Bearing in mind I'm Malle Moto, and would prefer to not have to change my tires half way through if possible... It's a big heavy bike (comparatively)

Pirelli Rally
Pirelli RallyCross

Get the rally ones bud - top one.

The MT 21 is an awesome tyre and will last longer, but the carcass is not as strong and more puncture prone)
On the front I'd Definitely go with the Rally no question (Will handle all offroad conditions better and will last 5000km)
On the rear Well the Rally cross will last the entire race.... but so will the Rally if you not racing hard and again the rally is less prone to punctures and snake-bites. The rally is also better in the sand due to the profile and tread pattern.
(to give you an idea- at 'race pace' last year - I did the entire amageza on one rear Michellin desert. Yes it was wanked as a race tyre, .... but it could have done more before being worn out.)

The big question is if you riding mousses? The rally tyres harder carcass saves the mousse a bit IMO. Softer carcass means ur mousse might need replacing - same problem as changing a tyre.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 14, 2015, 06:37:41 pm


I agree with bonova, and the michelins are still the best in the market if you can get you hands on one of those.



Unfortunately the michelin front has been sold out for a long long time, at least where my bike workshop gets there tires from. Could get a desert race rear, but thought I'd match the tires up same brand.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 14, 2015, 07:17:23 pm
I hear you NS.

I would go for the desert rear if there was one :deal: Not that Pirellis are bad. So my advice would be to get the top Pirelli set + the rear michelin. ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 14, 2015, 07:19:37 pm
I'm a little short of pics, had a recent accident with my phone, well, these things happen. Will have some of it in a more natural habitat on a HDD at home somewhere, but this is relaxing outside work (yes the rally bike is also the commuter...)

Only see 4 BMWs on the entry list, we're that special!

Oooh! Look at her! Between you and I that bike has some stories to tell! Still, you're definitely using her for a more appropriate purpose than I ever did! Love it!

Viva X, Viva!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 14, 2015, 07:22:08 pm
I'd just go for the Pirelli Rally's if you can't get the Mich - honestly, I seriously doubt anyone this side of Marc Coma could much tell the difference.

And yes, Garth Roberts will supply and fit/change before and during the race if you preorder. One less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 15, 2015, 11:04:52 am
Noble Steed, you da man! Riding an X-Challenge  :notworthy:


Do you not mean

Riding an X-Challenge :eek:
                    :laughing4:

Rally's ordered, thanks for all the advice
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on August 15, 2015, 09:29:53 pm
I have a set of Michelin Desert Races if anyone would like to buy them from me. Unused and never fitted. And some worn sets if anyone needs. PM if interested
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 17, 2015, 10:41:36 pm
Noble Steed, you da man! Riding an X-Challenge  :notworthy:

Shows real taste, matched possibly by Minxy who is leaving her factory KTM 660 monster at home to ride a BMW.

Gooi a few peechas?

A nicer peecha... Following the Road Book

(note to self  --> be more careful making roadbooks  :o )
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 18, 2015, 09:01:18 am
Haha. Love it. That looks like the perfect track. Fok voort!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 18, 2015, 09:50:44 am
After an unhappy weekend we are once again in love.

You know what the make-up riding is like..!

To infinity (or Botswana...) and beyond!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 18, 2015, 08:11:39 pm
I was really afraid it was going to be cold at Amageza this year.  Today hit 33 C in Upington.  Looks like spring will be early.  Good news.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 19, 2015, 10:17:46 am
I was really afraid it was going to be cold at Amageza this year.  Today hit 33 C in Upington.  Looks like spring will be early.  Good news.

Ouch  :o
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zetman on August 19, 2015, 10:50:44 am
 :ricky:

http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel (http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 19, 2015, 11:40:59 am

  well, well . . .
 No cheating allowed, beware !
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 19, 2015, 12:14:30 pm
:ricky:

http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel (http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel)

According to netwerk24, it's a very small field this year...

Altesaam 16 motorfietsryers en hul spanne spring weg in Kimberley en moet 4 911 km oor onherbergsame terrein na verafgeleë bestemmings soos Kang in Botswana, Hakskeenpan en Springbok aflê.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 19, 2015, 12:36:57 pm
:ricky:

http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel (http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel)

My afrikaans is nie so goed nie :xxbah:
We got another lady rider for amageza? :D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 19, 2015, 01:31:55 pm
No She is not a rider. If I undrstands correctly she is looking after a riders nutrition etc.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 19, 2015, 02:12:55 pm
:ricky:

http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel (http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel)

According to netwerk24, it's a very small field this year...

Altesaam 16 motorfietsryers en hul spanne spring weg in Kimberley en moet 4&thinsp;911&thinsp;km oor onherbergsame terrein na verafgeleë bestemmings soos Kang in Botswana, Hakskeenpan en Springbok aflê.

Wow. That's far out. Just E2R and Team 525 together are 16 riders...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Buff on August 19, 2015, 02:28:33 pm
Like they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity  :o
The article might have been more interesting if it actually was more about the riders themselves rather than those feeding them ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Ross Riddle on August 19, 2015, 02:32:29 pm
Add team Subtech to that and you have 24!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zetman on August 19, 2015, 02:50:26 pm
Send the link to the Amageza media liason officer  :biggrin:

They did not get their facts correct about Amageza
maybe someone can get them to do a better storie  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 19, 2015, 03:18:37 pm
Add team Subtech to that and you have 24!

Team Subtech also has a lady looking after us  :biggrin: Just now there will be more woman than the 16 riders - excellent haha

PS - Alex - please ensure hair dryer points at all Bivouac's.....
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 19, 2015, 03:27:54 pm
Just put her behind the 450 while you're warming it up every morning. Will give her hair that perfect pit-girl odour
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 19, 2015, 03:36:39 pm
think what a surprise it will be for the George crowd when they get to Kimberley and find a wee bit more than 16 bikes...
Not the quiet adventure they thought it would be.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 19, 2015, 04:23:19 pm
What are you guys taking along as the öne portion of emergensy rations?
Can one take biltong and droe wors into botswana? I am hanging some Blue Wildebeest biltong tomorrow night specially for the Amageza. ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 19, 2015, 04:30:15 pm
What are you guys taking along as the öne portion of emergensy rations?
Can one take biltong and droe wors into botswana? I am hanging some Blue Wildebeest biltong tomorrow night specially for the Amageza. ;D

This is a good question. Botswana have foot and mouth control if I'm not mistaken. This means NO ANIMAL PRODUCTS.
I have not been up Bots recently tho so dunno how controlled it is - but they might ask and in theory they could search. Searching 85 bikes and there crews? Unlikely haha

I take futurelife bars and also taking enduren bars this year and some nuts.  :thumleft: (biltong attracts Lions..... just saying  :biggrin: )
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: RedRum on August 19, 2015, 04:40:57 pm
anyone else notice this pic on the amageza website that may be indicating the route?

I'm shitting myself.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 19, 2015, 05:37:25 pm
Kap 'n Rumpie en Coke
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 19, 2015, 06:03:37 pm
Add team Subtech to that and you have 24!

Team Subtech also has a lady looking after us  :biggrin: Just now there will be more woman than the 16 riders - excellent haha

PS - Alex - please ensure hair dryer points at all Bivouac's.....

Yes please do! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2015, 06:50:36 pm
anyone else notice this pic on the amageza website that may be indicating the route?

I'm shitting myself.


If it is any help you can check Day 3, 4 and 5 of my ride here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=168377.20 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=168377.20) - it covers the western leg of the Botswanian stages between Tsabong and Charles' Hill, and there are lots of pics to give you an idea what to expect. The only difference will be that you may need to do it in one day  ;D.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 19, 2015, 08:30:09 pm
anyone else notice this pic on the amageza website that may be indicating the route?

I'm shitting myself.


If it is any help you can check Day 3, 4 and 5 of my ride here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=168377.20 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=168377.20) - it covers the western leg of the Botswanian stages between Tsabong and Charles' Hill, and there are lots of pics to give you an idea what to expect. The only difference will be that you may need to do it in one day  ;D.

Wow!! Thats all I gotta say!! Wow!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 19, 2015, 09:22:13 pm
Seeing the route on a map...

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2015, 10:15:57 pm
I'm no expert, but - unless orgas prepare some traps, navigation on the Bots sections should be very easy. Just follow the main cutlines (except that hook below the very northern extreme of the route - no idea where that goes).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-73VGcyaHLHk/VOJZER93awI/AAAAAAAAEC0/DnNJIQyMuck/s1024/Southern%2520Botswana.png)

The only difference to my route seems to be (this is of course speculation) that the route will follow from Zutshwe on that closed track through all the way to Kaa gate (the trek I turned back on once I came to a sign saying the route is closed), and then hit cutline from Kaa north west towards the main trek (that cutline is properly tough - deep deep sand with crisscrossing deep tracks from 4x4s and I was glad that I didn't end up attempting it).

Good Luck to all of you  O0
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2015, 10:25:22 pm
On the closer look, I think I was wrong. The route doesn't go as far south as Kaa gate - the souterhmost tip of the western loop looks to be Ukwi, where the track from Charles Hill turns north east and follows smaller tracks to Kang or somewhere thereabouts.

So there may be actually an opportunity to get lost - on the positive side, there are going to be fewer lions north of Hukuntsi  ;).
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2015, 10:32:13 pm
Sorry, one more question from this civilian - do you know which directions will the route follow from Kimberly? going up to Bots first and then returning down to Namaqualand or the other way around?

I'm going to be in Namaqualand and Richtersveld next week so maybe I can find a spot along the route for a bit of cheerleading.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 19, 2015, 10:44:42 pm
OK, the last one from me, I promise. Here is my take on the Bots route. Bivouacs seem to be in Kang and Ghanzi:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vP-F_nIA1uk/VdTqg1Go5kI/AAAAAAAAFY8/8J0-FNIL3g0/s750-Ic42/Screen%252520Shot%2525202015-08-19%252520at%25252011.07.11%252520PM.png)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tour on August 20, 2015, 06:43:15 am
hi expat
no offence but alex will not put the competitors on normal easy roads like that. the general area is probably very accurate but he will not follow "main" roads like that. expect the scenery but roads a lot more challenging.
good luck boys and girl
hopefully see you next year again
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 20, 2015, 06:54:42 am
You probably right - I just got carried away by speculation.

Anyway, good luck to the competitors.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 20, 2015, 08:15:39 am

I take futurelife bars and also taking enduren bars this year and some nuts.  :thumleft: (biltong attracts Lions..... just saying  :biggrin: )

HAhaha, Have you ever seen how fast a 690 can REALLY go in thick sand? :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 20, 2015, 08:42:10 am
Expat, thats a great effort, thanks :thumleft:

Its unlikely you will get much feedback from the riders themselves - they will be too nervous of disqualification at this point! ;D




Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 20, 2015, 10:18:22 am
Send the link to the Amageza media liason officer  :biggrin:
They did not get their facts correct about Amageza
maybe someone can get them to do a better storie  :ricky:

http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel (http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-08-19-polisievrou-gaan-dakar-se-kleinsus-takel)   now fixed, at least partially.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 20, 2015, 11:03:20 am
wonder if any 4 wheelers entered?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 20, 2015, 11:29:27 am
wonder if any 4 wheelers entered?

One side-by-side, no quads, no cars  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on August 20, 2015, 11:36:50 am
hi expat
no offence but alex will not put the competitors on normal easy roads like that. the general area is probably very accurate but he will not follow "main" roads like that. expect the scenery but roads a lot more challenging.
good luck boys and girl
hopefully see you next year again
Tour is right. See the red dune in the background of pix 8,9 of RR. That is where you will be riding. Sorry to burst the happy bubble. Tips I learnt last year in the sand incl: do not tap off at the crest of the dune, stand up when negoiating the dunes, ensure you have a big foot plate on your stand or learn to bury the back wheel at gates, try not break your sidestand.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Xpat on August 20, 2015, 12:16:03 pm

Tour is right. See the red dune in the background of pix 8,9 of RR. That is where you will be riding. Sorry to burst the happy bubble. Tips I learnt last year in the sand incl: do not tap off at the crest of the dune, stand up when negoiating the dunes, ensure you have a big foot plate on your stand or learn to bury the back wheel at gates, try not break your sidestand.

That maybe so, but that dune is still on the SA side - I was referring to Botswanian section, that starts on Day 3 in the RR. Look, my take is obviously just my speculation (and I'm sure orgas will throw in any little side track they could find, otherwise it would be just balls to the wall run with no navigation to talk about), but still I'm pretty sure that some of the routes I indicated (not all) are spot on. I've been there and there just aren't alternative tracks there - you are riding in some instances on rarely used firebreaks/cutlines in the middle of nowhere, with lions and hyenas for a company - so I doubt they will just send competitors in a direction through a virgin bush without any prior tracks at all, the attrition would be potentially horrendous.

I think you underestimate how remote those areas are in Bots. There is virtually nobody living there except few small villages and therefore there are very few alternative routes tracks to choose from - everybody sticks to main ones and even those account to about 1 - 2 cars a day (at least that is what I've met). Ukwi for example is not on the electrical grid.

And those tracks may seem easy (admittedly I'm not racer, but I have ridden thousands of km through sand on heavy bikes), but if you factor in that the stages have 600 - 700 km and I was riding there in December after heavy rains that compacted the sand significantly, they are not. As this race is at the end of the dry season, the sand is going to be proper bitch.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Minxy on August 20, 2015, 12:28:10 pm

Tour is right. See the red dune in the background of pix 8,9 of RR. That is where you will be riding. Sorry to burst the happy bubble. Tips I learnt last year in the sand incl: do not tap off at the crest of the dune, stand up when negoiating the dunes, ensure you have a big foot plate on your stand or learn to bury the back wheel at gates, try not break your sidestand.

That maybe so, but that dune is still on the SA side - I was referring to Botswanian section, that starts on Day 3 in the RR. Look, my take is obviously just my speculation (and I'm sure orgas will throw in any little side track they could find, otherwise it would be just balls to the wall run with no navigation to talk about), but still I'm pretty sure that some of the routes I indicated (not all) are spot on. I've been there and there just aren't alternative tracks there - you are riding in some instances on rarely used firebreaks/cutlines in the middle of nowhere, with lions and hyenas for a company - so I doubt they will just send competitors in a direction through a virgin bush without any prior tracks at all, the attrition would be potentially horrendous.

I think you underestimate how remote those areas are in Bots. There is virtually nobody living there except few small villages and therefore there are very few alternative routes tracks to choose from - everybody sticks to main ones and even those account to about 1 - 2 cars a day (at least that is what I've met). Ukwi for example is not on the electrical grid.

And those tracks may seem easy (admittedly I'm not racer, but I have ridden thousands of km through sand on heavy bikes), but if you factor in that the stages have 600 - 700 km and I was riding there in December after heavy rains that compacted the sand significantly, they are not. As this race is at the end of the dry season, the sand is going to be proper bitch.

I agree with you 100%. I think we'll be seeing at least a few of the routes you have been on. Unless they do send us bundu bashing all the way, which is highly unlikely? That sand looks proper tiring either way!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 20, 2015, 12:52:01 pm
Alex was born in a 2-spoor track.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 20, 2015, 01:49:25 pm
Look: Its the Amageza. He does not expect everyone to finish, even though he goes out every year and buys medals for everyone. ;D

...
 I've been there and there just aren't alternative tracks there - you are riding in some instances on rarely used firebreaks/cutlines in the middle of nowhere, with lions and hyenas for a company - so I doubt they will just send competitors in a direction through a virgin bush without any prior tracks at all, the attrition would be potentially horrendous.

I think you underestimate how remote those areas are in Bots. There is virtually nobody living there except few small villages and therefore there are very few alternative routes tracks to choose from - everybody sticks to main ones and even those account to about 1 - 2 cars a day (at least that is what I've met). Ukwi for example is not on the electrical grid.

And those tracks may seem easy (admittedly I'm not racer, but I have ridden thousands of km through sand on heavy bikes), but if you factor in that the stages have 600 - 700 km and I was riding there in December after heavy rains that compacted the sand significantly, they are not. As this race is at the end of the dry season, the sand is going to be proper bitch.

Sounds like thats exactly what Alex will do: Put people on a cap heading in the middle of nowhere; no track to follow if you are the lead bikes.

I'm 100% sure the routes will not be on the normal routes people take. But its great to speculate!

BTW I asked the organisation if the possible routes needed to be removed; and they were quite blase. To be precise there were a few lol's in the reply. ;D  What that means is that the tracks you see on the website are all just a big ruse ;)

Julle gaan duine toe mense :ricky: :evil6:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 20, 2015, 01:54:19 pm
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/dont-keep-calm-only-8-days-to-go.png)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 20, 2015, 02:06:17 pm
The more I think about it, the more I think this year will bear little resemblance to last year. Serves us right for telling Alex it was too easy last year. He'd have been calling himself Yoda not Darth Vader if he was a benign dictator.

Pack sandwiches, but it ain't gonna be a picnic!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 20, 2015, 03:09:19 pm
Julle gaan duine toe mense :ricky: :evil6:

Eina!!!  We going to suffer!   :deal:


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: gser on August 20, 2015, 03:24:24 pm
Julle gaan duine toe mense :ricky: :evil6:

Eina!!!  We going to suffer!   :deal:




Nee wat, dis net die gety wat baie laag is. One big beach !  ( note ! I did not say Bitch )
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 20, 2015, 04:24:09 pm
Julle gaan duine toe mense :ricky: :evil6:

Eina!!!  We going to suffer!   :deal:




Nee wat, dis net die gety wat baie laag is. One big beach !  ( note ! I did not say Bitch )

Noted, but that is what it is going to be to finish this race >:D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 20, 2015, 04:44:12 pm
I recall last years published 'map' was also way off from the actual route. So there you have it...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 20, 2015, 04:45:15 pm
are we to leave our bikes in parc ferme after scruteneering?
Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: aka.Goliath on August 20, 2015, 07:08:30 pm
Tips I learnt last year in the sand incl: do not tap off at the crest of the dune, stand up when negoiating the dunes, ensure you have a big foot plate on your stand or learn to bury the back wheel at gates, try not break your sidestand
- I laugh now but when I lost mine on day 1 I was not laughing ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 20, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
are we to leave our bikes in parc ferme after scruteneering?


That's normally what happens, but given you are going straight into a marathon stage they might be kind and let you keep your bikes afterwards.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 21, 2015, 09:36:38 am
I just landed in Kimberley!!!





Oh wait... That's next week :)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 21, 2015, 09:46:10 am
Since there is no bivouac to camp at in Kimberley does anyone know if the Orga made arrangements for a safe place to leave our vehicles and trailers?

I would hate to have to leave my bakkie uprotected. >:(
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gavin on August 21, 2015, 09:48:31 am
we have made parking arrangements with the hotel we are staying in before and after the event
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scooterbike on August 21, 2015, 10:07:57 am
Since there is no bivouac to camp at in Kimberley does anyone know if the Orga made arrangements for a safe place to leave our vehicles and trailers?

I would hate to have to leave my bakkie uprotected. >:(
I would assume its your baby...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 21, 2015, 11:01:35 am
Also leaving our vehicles and trailers at the guest lodge. 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bonova on August 21, 2015, 11:34:16 am
we have made parking arrangements with the hotel we are staying in before and after the event

I remember that Alex said there would be safe parking - prob at Jeep as they are hosting the start and finish.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: noble steed on August 21, 2015, 02:37:29 pm
From Amageza HQ email:

The mallo moto guys can leave their vehicles/trailors at Jeep Gariep Motors (same venue as scrutineering) for the duration of the race.

Not sure i that extends to the many many team riders...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: rubiblue on August 21, 2015, 03:09:56 pm
From Amageza HQ email:

The mallo moto guys can leave their vehicles/trailors at Jeep Gariep Motors (same venue as scrutineering) for the duration of the race.

Not sure i that extends to the many many team riders...
Then take it as that, only Moto mallye individuals.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 21, 2015, 04:30:21 pm
Some stats from this years entries:

Total entries: 85  (84 bikes, 1 side-by-side)
17 are WDs
36 of the 85 are riders who competed in 2014 ie 42% return rate

Engine size
Average:   557
Min:         350
Max:        690

Most common engine sizes:
690cc -> 25
450cc -> 22
500cc -> 13
525cc -> 5

Manufacturers
KTM                  55
Not stated         12
Husqvarna         7
Yamaha             5
BMW                 4
Honda               1
Can-Am             1


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 21, 2015, 05:12:51 pm
Who's riding the one 525 who's not in Team 525?

https://www.facebook.com/team525 (https://www.facebook.com/team525)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: JustBendIt on August 21, 2015, 05:26:50 pm
Who's riding the one 525 who's not in Team 525?

https://www.facebook.com/team525 (https://www.facebook.com/team525)

Kevin Thompson aka KevinZA
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: clutch on August 21, 2015, 05:53:56 pm
Ken enige iemand die team gezzy span en kontak besonderhede?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 21, 2015, 08:30:28 pm
Bliksem Team 525: You guys get the nomination for the most team spirit...so far.  :thumleft:

But its early days yet.

How are those HID's? They light up the frigging world hey? ;D

Cheers

Neil :paw:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 22, 2015, 08:42:40 am
If there's a team spirit award perhaps it should be defined up front.

As in "spirit is synonymous with being a jolly good chap, smiling while the ship sinks, and putting on a brave face in the midst of desperate adversity."

As opposed to: "my god, that horse is spirited" - after it has just bitten your foot, tried to throw you off against a barbed wire fence, and run off sulking into the cabbage patch, not to seen for the next four days.

I'm sure 5,000km of heat, dust and humour-sapping riding in circles while utterly lost, watching your fuel slowly disappear in the light of your head torch is likely to bring out plenty of the latter.

A few Team 525 members aren't immune to the odd little light tantrum to get the blood going. But come visit us - we have a Jack Daniels sponsorship.  Haha
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 23, 2015, 08:04:10 am
Next week by this we should have 100+km behind us (depending on the speed limit in the liaison( :ricky:
Title: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 23, 2015, 12:36:03 pm
Meanwhile, back in reality piss and panic reign...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on August 23, 2015, 01:22:45 pm
Team VFC consists of  us, 3 crazy motor bike enthusiasts who have entered the upcoming Amageza cross country Dakar style rallye.We are privileged enough to sponsor ourselves and wish to link up our good fortunes to a worthy cause, namely Vets for Change.The idea behind our support to Vets for Change is for individuals and companies to donate direct to Vets for Change based on completed kms during the Amageza 2015.We will obtain the completed km's from Race Control, calculate your pledge and forward this on to you to donate direct to Vets for Change.Pledges can be made for all three riders at different amounts per km or only one rider.The rider that receives the most pledges, value wise, will then need to donate R1000 to Vets for Change.Please browse our website www.teamvfc.co.za
Our 4 legged friends will thank you
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-Vets-for-Change/806389039452993 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-Vets-for-Change/806389039452993)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vets-For-Change-South-Africa/478709932214778 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vets-For-Change-South-Africa/478709932214778)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 23, 2015, 05:22:37 pm
Race numbers have been assigned.
This is not the starting order, that's still coming. You have to get through scrutineering first.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 23, 2015, 08:07:15 pm
I was browsing through bike prep photos and noticed not many having timecard pockets.
The SRs require place for a timecard- "in a pocket, with an opening in Velcro, either on the fuel tank, or at the place where the main fuel tank in usually situated, or on the riders sleeve"
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 23, 2015, 08:26:17 pm
Let me take this moment in the calm before the Storm this coming week to wish all the riders the very best.

Keep your wheels down.
Ride Safe.
Assume nothing.
Have a blast.
Remember there are a whole bunch of us cheering you all on, wishing we were with you.

Neil :paw:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on August 23, 2015, 09:13:13 pm
Let me take this moment in the calm before the Storm this coming week to wish all the riders the very best.

Keep your wheels down.
Ride Safe.
Assume nothing.
Have a blast.
Remember there are a whole bunch of us cheering you all on, wishing we were with you.

Neil :paw:

 :deal: :deal: :deal: :deal: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Like Neil Said!!

Enjoy every moment!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: hancojvr on August 23, 2015, 10:00:56 pm
I was browsing through bike prep photos and noticed not many having timecard pockets.
The SRs require place for a timecard- "in a pocket, with an opening in Velcro, either on the fuel tank, or at the place where the main fuel tank in usually situated, or on the riders sleeve"

Thanks for posting that!  Guess I need to read the docs again to see what else I'm still missing...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Andy660 on August 24, 2015, 12:05:01 am
Anyone still looking for DESERT RACING TYRES,www. Renz.co.za still has front and rear michalin Deserts in stock,
Pm me if you want her cell no.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: pietas on August 24, 2015, 06:22:14 am
I see there are a number of KTM RR bikes. And even a X-Challenge. Nice!
I will be watching again this year
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Scrat on August 24, 2015, 08:38:05 am
Team VFC consists of  us, 3 crazy motor bike enthusiasts who have entered the upcoming Amageza cross country Dakar style rallye.We are privileged enough to sponsor ourselves and wish to link up our good fortunes to a worthy cause, namely Vets for Change.The idea behind our support to Vets for Change is for individuals and companies to donate direct to Vets for Change based on completed kms during the Amageza 2015.We will obtain the completed km's from Race Control, calculate your pledge and forward this on to you to donate direct to Vets for Change.Pledges can be made for all three riders at different amounts per km or only one rider.The rider that receives the most pledges, value wise, will then need to donate R1000 to Vets for Change.Please browse our website www.teamvfc.co.za
Our 4 legged friends will thank you
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-Vets-for-Change/806389039452993 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-Vets-for-Change/806389039452993)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vets-For-Change-South-Africa/478709932214778 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vets-For-Change-South-Africa/478709932214778)


Awesome Kevin!!

This is Awesome idea and will deff join your cause!!  :deal:

I hope to see more WD's joining in here!!  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 24, 2015, 12:21:07 pm
I was browsing through bike prep photos and noticed not many having timecard pockets.
The SRs require place for a timecard- "in a pocket, with an opening in Velcro, either on the fuel tank, or at the place where the main fuel tank in usually situated, or on the riders sleeve"

Is there a minimum size for this pocket?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: saklx650c on August 24, 2015, 01:54:31 pm
Like Niel said  -  all the best and enjoy.
Will we be able to track the riders like last year from our boring desks.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 24, 2015, 02:45:54 pm
I was browsing through bike prep photos and noticed not many having timecard pockets.
The SRs require place for a timecard- "in a pocket, with an opening in Velcro, either on the fuel tank, or at the place where the main fuel tank in usually situated, or on the riders sleeve"

Is there a minimum size for this pocket?

I would make it about the size of a typical leather wallet (closed) near the front of the saddle (see below):

(https://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye/i-7gXnRZ3/0/XL/Rallyschool_017-XL.jpg)


You can always fold the paper and slip it in there if it is too big, but they normally make it quite small. Have a little velco flap so it can be whipped out easily and to prevent the time card from being blown away (beeg penalties if you lose your TC). Some people leave a stamp sized hole in the cover so at a PC, the official just leans over and stamps the paper without even having to take it out of the pocket. :deal:


Oh and one more thing. Remember to follow the road book at all times. If you have trouble consider having a prompter on the road book cover like this one below....has been helpful for some, though then they tend to stop looking at the road. :evil6:
(https://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye/i-B8vKkQV/0/M/Rallyschool_065-M.jpg)

shhh, dont say a word.... ;D  :peepwall:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 24, 2015, 02:54:28 pm
Thanks Neil :thumleft:
Ha ha, That prompter is guaranteed to keep my eyes glued onto the roadbook >:D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 24, 2015, 03:01:02 pm
From Amageza HQ email:

The mallo moto guys can leave their vehicles/trailors at Jeep Gariep Motors (same venue as scrutineering) for the duration of the race.

Not sure i that extends to the many many team riders...
Then take it as that, only Moto mallye individuals.

I just got confirmation that Jeep Kimberley have agreed that all vehicles and trailers may be left there during the race :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 24, 2015, 03:18:55 pm
The time card is 3 inches x 5 inches. Remember index cards? That size.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: sidetrack on August 24, 2015, 03:35:12 pm


Most common engine sizes:
690cc -> 25
450cc -> 22
500cc -> 13
525cc -> 5


Actually the 500's and 525's are the same engine capacity at 510cc  :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gee S on August 24, 2015, 03:42:43 pm
The time card is 3 inches x 5 inches. Remember index cards? That size.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Koos van den Heever on August 24, 2015, 04:23:22 pm
Niel, you giving and helping so much here from the sideline;  Pity you not riding this year!!!   :deal:
Realy hope to see you next year again!

Thanks for all the help.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KiLRoy on August 24, 2015, 04:52:02 pm
Best of luck to all.  I will follow this with great interest.

GO No 31 Barbara!!!!!!  I mean Minxy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 24, 2015, 04:57:06 pm
I was browsing through bike prep photos and noticed not many having timecard pockets.
The SRs require place for a timecard- "in a pocket, with an opening in Velcro, either on the fuel tank, or at the place where the main fuel tank in usually situated, or on the riders sleeve"

Is there a minimum size for this pocket?

Go to Mr Price Sport.  They have this thing that yuppies use in the gym to strap their phones or iPods to their upper arms.  It is everything you need.  Strap it around the front of the seat.  I used it last year, this year again. Looks something like this:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-Cell-Phone-Pouch-For-Kazam-Trooper-2-4-0-Thunder-340W-Adjustable-Arm-Band/32355918267.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-Cell-Phone-Pouch-For-Kazam-Trooper-2-4-0-Thunder-340W-Adjustable-Arm-Band/32355918267.html)


Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bundu on August 24, 2015, 06:47:00 pm
I see Dave Griffin from RAD is also riding this year - going to be interesting  :3some:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 24, 2015, 06:51:47 pm
I see Dave Griffin from RAD is also riding this year - going to be interesting  :3some:

Can you tell us a bit more about him plse?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bundu on August 24, 2015, 07:48:55 pm
I see Dave Griffin from RAD is also riding this year - going to be interesting  :3some:

Can you tell us a bit more about him plse?

he's the dealer principle at RADMoto and excellent on REDStar - not sure of his offroad skills, but the man CAN ride - a very pleasant guy as well!

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 24, 2015, 07:56:24 pm
Ah its that wheelie hooligan! ;D Excellent - Thanks! :thumleft:

Well - go Dave, Be careful out there!! :hello2:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Grolls on August 24, 2015, 08:00:30 pm
I can feel the excitement building for you guys ...

I came across Eddie on his WR on Sunday afternoon out practicing
He told me of the route he was planning for the rest of the day
I told him he would never finish that route before sunset ..

Eddie's reply was "Exactly , I need to practice riding in the dark and want to test the lights"

He looks the business and will hopefully find it a whole lot easier than last year on the HP2

Well I wish all you guys and girls a great and safe ride  :ricky: :ricky:
I will be following the race with lots of interest

Most of all

Enjoy every memory making moment  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 24, 2015, 08:01:10 pm
Man Im SOOO excited for you guys!


From the amageza website:

(https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11960191_906864362682640_5215578893216434124_n.jpg?oh=d8503f84b1d98f2dc4efbd74834107a1&oe=5636091A)


Lekkeeerrrrrrrrr!!! :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:




(http://newwinecymru.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/4.jpeg)




PS EDDY: Glad that stator is working! :thumleft: 

NOW stop riding before you hurt yourself!!   :biggrin:  :violent1:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rokie on August 24, 2015, 08:51:47 pm
 :happy1:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 25, 2015, 11:18:06 am
 :3some: :happy1: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: lets GOO!!!!! F5 is warming up  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 25, 2015, 01:17:17 pm
Eddie's reply was "Exactly , I need to practice riding in the dark and want to test the lights"

I am really chuffed Eddie is back, on a lighter bike. He was one of the last riders in on Day 1 last year, and he was fooked. Far-off look in his eyes, exhausted. How he kept going I am not sure.
Day 2 he didn't ride, and we thought that was the last we would see of him. Not so...

Bright and early on Day 3, here pitches Eddie, all chirpy and ready to ride. So off he goes.
Things didn't go so well on Day 3, for a lot of the riders. It was long, tough, and lots of people got lost.
Late afternoon I get a call from Eddie - "I'm fine, but I'm too tired to ride. I'm going to lie here in the sand until recovery picks me up"
 :biggrin:
So we vector recovery in to where he is, but when they pitch up, they are fully loaded with bikes already. So Theo gives Eddie some petrol and tells him to ride out, he will follow him with the bakkie.
Which, to his, credit, Eddie did, with that moerse HP2.

I hope to see you at the finish this year, Eddie  :thumleft:

(details of the above may have been tainted by lack of sleep, but you get the idea)
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 25, 2015, 03:10:18 pm
Eddie's reply was "Exactly , I need to practice riding in the dark and want to test the lights"

I am really chuffed Eddie is back, on a lighter bike. He was one of the last riders in on Day 1 last year, and he was fooked. Far-off look in his eyes, exhausted. How he kept going I am not sure.
Day 2 he didn't ride, and we thought that was the last we would see of him. Not so...

Bright and early on Day 3, here pitches Eddie, all chirpy and ready to ride. So off he goes.
Things didn't go so well on Day 3, for a lot of the riders. It was long, tough, and lots of people got lost.
Late afternoon I get a call from Eddie - "I'm fine, but I'm too tired to ride. I'm going to lie here in the sand until recovery picks me up"
 :biggrin:
So we vector recovery in to where he is, but when they pitch up, they are fully loaded with bikes already. So Theo gives Eddie some petrol and tells him to ride out, he will follow him with the bakkie.
Which, to his, credit, Eddie did, with that moerse HP2.

I hope to see you at the finish this year, Eddie  :thumleft:

(details of the above may have been tainted by lack of sleep, but you get the idea)

Thats the spirit for ya!!! And back again for more!!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on August 25, 2015, 03:25:13 pm
Eddie is a tough guy. I went out on Stage 1 last year to pick up an injured rider and I found him lying down under a bush. He told me to go on he was just "resting". Half an hour later he pitches up and still helps with advice etc about getting the Jeep over the dunes, before going on to eventually finish the stage.

And on Day 2 he came out of the special towing another rider. Real spirit.  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: tehdutchie on August 26, 2015, 07:37:57 am
Step 259 of 298 taken.

All 6 Dutchies made it to the airport and are now flying back to Amsterdam (dont ask) to connect to JoBurg!

Only 15 hours to go... Yawn...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Gavin on August 26, 2015, 08:03:57 am
let me know if you need any help in Jozi
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dwerg on August 26, 2015, 10:01:03 am
Eddie is a tough guy. I went out on Stage 1 last year to pick up an injured rider and I found him lying down under a bush. He told me to go on he was just "resting". Half an hour later he pitches up and still helps with advice etc about getting the Jeep over the dunes, before going on to eventually finish the stage.

And on Day 2 he came out of the special towing another rider. Real spirit.  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

We (Bazinga and I) stuck with Eddie for a few hours on day one. Helped picked up and dig out that big bike of his a few times. We eventually had to leave him behind (where you found him resting under the tree) or else we wouldn't make the stage ourselves. I was gob smacked when I saw him ride into the biv that night. I thought he'd arrive on a support vehicle for sure.  Alles van die beste Eddie!! Jy gaan dit verseker kan maak op 'n ligte bike. Gooi mielies  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kevin_ZA on August 26, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
I see Dave Griffin from RAD is also riding this year - going to be interesting  :3some:

Can you tell us a bit more about him plse?
Seriously talented. Podium finish with Thomas Eich...?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Crossed-up on August 26, 2015, 08:38:35 pm
We leave in the morning on a staff bus for Kimberley.

I hope everyone is organised and ready, and I wish you all a safe and fantastic race.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: bmad on August 26, 2015, 09:04:40 pm
Good luck and enjoy everyone  :thumleft:

See you ate the start on Sunday morning
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on August 26, 2015, 10:42:42 pm
Best of luck to both the organizers and all the competitors, hope everything goes well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on August 26, 2015, 10:43:09 pm
Best of luck to both the organizers and all the competitors, hope everything goes well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rokie on August 26, 2015, 11:36:34 pm
All the best, everyone!!
I'm keyboarding this one . .
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: melvman on August 27, 2015, 06:40:16 am
Welcome to Amageza 2015...good luck to all competitors!!!
 
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: White Rhino on August 27, 2015, 06:57:44 am
Saw Greg Raaf and Roger Kane-Berman training at the Pongola 500 - they did the 400 plus kms loop many times - maybe 4 or more times for a few days in a row  :o - They're looking in good shape for the Amageza.

Good luck to all entrants and the organisers and all the different support teams - going to be a great challenge this year.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: zetman on August 27, 2015, 08:18:02 am
 :biggrin:


Alexander Nel shared Amageza's post.
2 hrs ·

Amageza
Amageza Rain Meter:
2012: Rained in Sutherland. Before the days of satellite tracking, they went searching for a missing rider. Very tired and cold, we found him in the mountains at 23:50.
2013: Rained in Sutherland on Stage 1 as we left Cape Town.6 hours later on the Special up a riverbed the river come down, catching the last couple of guys in the river. Some epic stories were told of surviving that night until we recovered them.
2014: Rained in Upington making the first 3 stages nice and cool on firmer sand in the dunes!
2015: It's raining in Kimberley. According to the weather it will clear up on Saturday.
Seems if you need rain in your district, invite Amageza along!

Cheers en  Tjorts en Vasbyt

 Hoop hoop hoop
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: andrew5336 on August 27, 2015, 08:32:22 am
Good luck chaps.

Take it easy, nice and smooth and constant.

Keep moving above all else.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Warren Ellwood on August 27, 2015, 09:16:02 am
Good luck to everyone involved, riders and organizers.

Hope you all have much fun, and come home safely.

Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on August 27, 2015, 11:42:45 am
good luck and ride fast and safe to all the guys who make it to the start. Sadly I'm not one of them and have been forced to withdraw  from this year due to ending up in Sunninghill ICU on Saturday with a busted gut. So for me its 2016, and for all of you guys riding this one  give it horns and have one hell of a ride! Joe Team Flatdogs Start No 23 WR 450
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 27, 2015, 02:15:59 pm
good luck and ride fast and safe to all the guys who make it to the start. Sadly I'm not one of them and have been forced to withdraw  from this year due to ending up in Sunninghill ICU on Saturday with a busted gut. So for me its 2016, and for all of you guys riding this one  give it horns and have one hell of a ride! Joe Team Flatdogs Start No 23 WR 450

Eish, glad you are kinda in one piece....
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on August 27, 2015, 02:49:39 pm
just mailed Charlie Murray at SPOT to find out how the live tracking can be accessed and he tells me it will be loaded onto the www.amageza.com (http://www.amageza.com) website in due course. there will be instructions on how to log on etc. If I can't ride it at least I can follow it
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 27, 2015, 02:54:48 pm
Can somebody upload the scrutineering times?  Apparently there was an e-mail yesterday, but I cant access e-mails from home.  I'm sort of on leave...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Flatdog on August 27, 2015, 03:01:51 pm
Bill there you have it:

7.   Race No    Name    Documentation
25    de Lange Ruan    07:00
15    Addison Dave    07:00
16    Krober Mark    07:00
22    Ellis Terence    07:00
18    Roller Eddie    07:00
31    Muszynski Barbara    07:30
122    Vertue Alfred    07:30
105    Moolman Hendrik    07:30
107    Schwenke Dirk    07:30
119    Newton Alan    07:30
120    van Lill Johan    08:00
121    van Niekerk Dreyer    08:00
127    Blignaut Hendrik    08:00
136    Sandenbergh Danie    08:00
140    de Villiers Johannes    08:00
151    Rabie Daniel    08:30
152    v Niekerk Bernard    08:30
153    Turck Riaan    08:30
131    Espag Etienne    08:30
14    Van Der Merwe Rudie    08:30
124    Deyzel Claude    09:00
4    Potgieter Kobus    09:00
10    Evans Joey    09:00
12    Verschuuren Antal    09:00
28    Kruger Niel    09:30
104    van de Langenberg Donovan    09:30
112    Du Toit Gerrit    09:30
123    Botha Rikus    09:30
144    du Plooy Quintin    09:30
113    Taylor Byron    10:00
142    de Klerk Tinus    10:00
145    Oosthuizen Chris    10:00
148    Lubbe Henry    10:00
8    Crosbie Vincent    10:00
138    Griffin Dave    10:30
101    Eich Thomas    10:30
116    Jansen van Rensburg Johan    10:30
154    Van der Byl Gerry    10:30
24    Riddle Ross    10:30
3    Schimmel Simon    11:00
7    Labuschagne Pieter    11:00
21    van Donselaar Erik    11:00
27    Ruprecht-Gersteroph Alex    11:00
128    Bredenkamp Paul    11:00
137    Smit Hennie    11:30
1    How Peter    11:30
2    Kane-Berman Roger    11:30
11    Raaff Greg    11:30
118    Scott-Williams Neil    12:00
135    Einarsson Thorarinn    12:00
5    Henderson Ian    12:00
106    Johnstone Andrew    12:00
111    Adams Robert    12:30
139    Bennetts Justin    12:30
146    Bennetts Aidan    12:30
126    Curnow-Baker Scott    12:30
26    Le Roux Leon    12:30
117    Kinghorn Chris    13:00
19    Lourens Martin    13:00
29    Adendorff Adie    13:00
143    Adendorff Mike    13:00
13    Terblanche Walter    13:00
17    Blackburn Jonathan    13:30
132    Miller Greg    13:30
149    Manley Jason    13:30
301    Parkin Peter    13:30
110    Schoonbee Willem    14:00
130    Anfield Vernon    14:00
9    Hanekom Gerhard    14:00
20    Du Toit Willem    14:00
109    Baartman Bill    14:00
125    Greeff Jacques    14:30
129    Oppermann Chris    14:30
114    Janse Van Rensburg Dewald    14:30
115    Janse van Rensburg Hanco    14:30
134    Jordaan Johan    14:30
103    van den Heever Koos    15:00
141    Thompson Kevin    15:00
134    Jordaan Johan    15:00
147    Lewis Jonathan    15:00
150    Maree Hugo    15:30
102    Morton Gavin    15:30
108    Alcock GG    15:30
133    Cunningham James    15:30
6    Lutzeler Niklaus    15:30
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 27, 2015, 03:47:17 pm
good luck and ride fast and safe to all the guys who make it to the start. Sadly I'm not one of them and have been forced to withdraw  from this year due to ending up in Sunninghill ICU on Saturday with a busted gut. So for me its 2016, and for all of you guys riding this one  give it horns and have one hell of a ride! Joe Team Flatdogs Start No 23 WR 450

Hey Flatdog :wave:

Really sorry to hear about your issue. Hope you are okay?

I'm also out this year due to money & work reasons. but next year I'll be back.

Please let us know about the tracking when you find out.

Cheers

:thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: ktmpilot on August 27, 2015, 04:12:40 pm
I see in the email from Alex yesterday it says that your GPS must be cleared of all tracks and waypoint at the start- does this mean we may not load the WPE's from the roadbook into our GPS's as per previous years?


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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: SteveD on August 27, 2015, 06:33:31 pm
I see in the email from Alex yesterday it says that your GPS must be cleared of all tracks and waypoint at the start- does this mean we may not load the WPE's from the roadbook into our GPS's as per previous years?

All will be revealed at riders briefing.
Alexander has a plan. I don't know what it is, but I know he has one  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Bill the Bong on August 27, 2015, 08:24:18 pm
Bill there you have it:

****

Dankie, lekker late start...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 27, 2015, 11:34:27 pm
Okay, so here is something you probably already knew, but its worth repeating. A source within the organisation revealed the following:

"After looking at the actual route, the stages look really, really long. Though I can obviously not give anything away, I think we are going to have guys riding deep into the nights.

I have a good feeling about this year, I think it's going to be awesome.
"

Its metaljockey time.

The waiting is basically over.

People are converging from all corners of the globe on the city of Kimberley, kitted with new gear and bikes in pristine condition.

Lets get ready to RUMBLE!!!

One day to afkak tyd  
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/hunday/AMAGESA/Coneheads_zpsec0e3cfc.jpg)
Credit to Andy660
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: nino on August 28, 2015, 12:28:26 am
Hi,

We are ready for the Amageza, will arrive in the camp tomorrow together with Sasja and the team of Roberts Racing Rallye. All the bikes are done, the guys are anxious and I've a shiny new lens on my trusty Nikon to capture all the great moments. Like last year we've brought the equipment to report even from the most remote locations so expect daily photos and stories from this crazy race :-)

Looking forward to meet everyone tomorrow!

cheers
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 28, 2015, 01:41:12 am
Hi Nino and wlecome to the forum! :wave:

Thanks for covering it, we are really looking forward to your updates! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: KiLRoy on August 28, 2015, 07:19:59 am
Nice work  :thumleft:  Cant wait.  Good luck and speed to all.

Go # 31 Barbs :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Komin on August 28, 2015, 08:06:05 am
Good luck and god's speed to all Amegeza's.
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BiG DoM on August 28, 2015, 08:24:13 am
Pin it to Win it!  :ricky: 
Actually a finish will be a win  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on August 28, 2015, 11:31:20 am
Very quiet on this thread - the calm before the storm?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 28, 2015, 11:38:01 am
A BIG  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: to all competitors, service crew, marshals, organisers, cleaning lady's and all the rest behind the scene...
LETS GO RACING!!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 28, 2015, 11:39:24 am
Hi,

We are ready for the Amageza, will arrive in the camp tomorrow together with Sasja and the team of Roberts Racing Rallye. All the bikes are done, the guys are anxious and I've a shiny new lens on my trusty Nikon to capture all the great moments. Like last year we've brought the equipment to report even from the most remote locations so expect daily photos and stories from this crazy race :-)

Looking forward to meet everyone tomorrow!

cheers

Welcome nino  :3some:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Aquatic on August 28, 2015, 12:07:49 pm
Is this the race coverage thread?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Dustman on August 28, 2015, 12:14:20 pm
When are they actually starting?
The clock on http://www.amageza.com/ (http://www.amageza.com/) says there is still 11 hours 45 minutes left, so are they taking off at 00:00 hours tomorrow morning?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 28, 2015, 12:21:51 pm
Is this the race coverage thread?
You are at the right place :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Mooch on August 28, 2015, 12:23:53 pm
Good Luck All.
Waiting in anticipation...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 28, 2015, 12:25:11 pm
When are they actually starting?
The clock on http://www.amageza.com/ (http://www.amageza.com/) says there is still 11 hours 45 minutes left, so are they taking off at 00:00 hours tomorrow morning?
Racing starts Sunday...
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Kawaki on August 28, 2015, 12:26:15 pm
Here you go :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Orangejuicepony on August 28, 2015, 12:52:56 pm
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Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Africamike on August 28, 2015, 01:38:00 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Karel Kat on August 28, 2015, 01:55:09 pm
Amageza getting mainstream coverage from Netwerk24:

Die Amageza-koors loop hoog in Kimberley en dis net geharde avonturiers waar ’n mens kyk.

Ja, dit is weer tyd vir die jaarlikse Amageza-motorfietsren en Sondag sal 84 dapper deelnemers ’n baie uitdagende wedren aandurf.

Die roete strek oor sewe dae en 4 911 km oor onherbergsame terrein vanaf Kimberley, deur Botswana na verafgeleë bestemmings soos Kang en weer al die pad terug na Kimberley waar dit op Saterdag 5 September ten einde loop. Van die skofte is tot so ver as 890 km op een dag en deelnemers se navigasievermoë, fiksheid en uithouvermoë gaan tot die uiterste beproef word.

Die Amageza Rally is die langste van sy soort in Afrika en naas die Dakar Rally die tweede langste in die wêreld. Deelnemers gebruik dit as voorbereiding vir die Dakar wat in Januarie in Argentinië plaasvind.

Tydens Amageza kry deelnemers die geleentheid om op die mees afgeleë, ongerepte plekke in ons land en oor die grense van Botswana te ry en soms word hulle met moordende uitdagings gekonfronteer – Amageza is nie verniet die Xhosa-woord vir “mal” nie.

Volgens Alexander Nel, die stigter en breintrust agter Amageza, gaan vanjaar se tog by verre die moeilikste een nog wees, maar wanneer deelnemers tydens die sewende skof oor die eindstreep in Kimberley ry, gaan dit ’n onvergeetlike soete oorwinning wees.



Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: Rolling Stone on August 28, 2015, 02:40:45 pm
Will we still have access to our bikes after scruiteneering?
I usually prep my bike onthe last day  ;D
Cant go racing with half prepped bike  :ricky:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on August 28, 2015, 03:21:30 pm
Has someone posted a link on Advrider?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: africanSky on August 28, 2015, 03:51:39 pm
Will we still have access to our bikes after scruiteneering?
I usually prep my bike onthe last day  ;D
Cant go racing with half prepped bike  :ricky:


Hey Eddie, when you going to start looking for tyres? ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 28, 2015, 11:12:07 pm
Will we still have access to our bikes after scruiteneering?
I usually prep my bike onthe last day  ;D
Cant go racing with half prepped bike  :ricky:


Apparently not Eddie. Make sure you do your fixing early tomorrow!
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 28, 2015, 11:16:19 pm
This is the advrider thread: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2015-amageza-rallye-southern-africa-28-aug-5-sept.1057785/page-3 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2015-amageza-rallye-southern-africa-28-aug-5-sept.1057785/page-3)

I reckon this thread will be a lot more interesting, but thats just me :deal:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: nino on August 28, 2015, 11:51:35 pm
Hi Guys,

There is a first short update from our arrival in Kimberly on the FB page. Currently I am on wifi but I think it will be the last of it this event :-)

https://www.facebook.com/dutchrallypress (https://www.facebook.com/dutchrallypress)

What do you guys prefer? I send out daily reports to a number of emailadresses, I can easily add someone who is also on the forum.

All the best
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 29, 2015, 12:09:21 am
nino, you can email me or post what you like here (preferably). :deal:

Some great pictures coming out already! :thumleft:

With your permission I would like to re post some of your pics and FB comments here too (always with a reference of course)!?
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye
Post by: BlueBull2007 on August 29, 2015, 01:14:24 am
Wow, this thread has seen 24,168 hits & 768 posts up until 00:15 on scrutineering day (see screenshot below)! :hello2:
Will be interesting to see how many we get in the next 8 days... :deal:

Thank you to all those who contributed so far!! :thumright:

Please keep posting on the Amageza 2015 - Official Thread (click here) (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=179089.msg3333924#msg3333924)
 
or

Click here to go to the latest post in the official thread. (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=179089.new#new)

Traditionally we start a new thread on Race day, but this year it starts on scrutineering so the riders have an opportunity to post their links as well.

See you on the other side! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 2015 Amageza Rallye - Buildup Thread
Post by: KTM Jagermeister on September 07, 2015, 10:28:52 am
Alex thanks for a wonderful rallye.  The scenery was amazing and it was well organized (with limited marshals and funding).

I especially enjoyed the food at Van Zyl's Rus, scenery in the Richtersveld and the the new friends I made en route.


Much appreciated