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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: plaky on February 13, 2015, 12:50:55 pm

Title: False neutrals on LC
Post by: plaky on February 13, 2015, 12:50:55 pm
Hi All, I have been having a few false neutrals in the last while on my newish Sept 2014 LC, I have now done 6000km. I contacted Donford Stellenbosch and Eugene came back to me and said as follow below. Just a heads up for you all if you are having the same problem. I know of a few WD that are experiencing this, so mine is not isolated.

Thank you for mail,
There is no issue regarding false neutral on the LC.
What we have found before is that the boots the riders wear can influence the shift.
We need to look and see if your gear lever is adjusted correctly for easy shift up. There is also adaptations that can be set for the ECU to learn the gear positions. Clutch operation also needs to be checked.
The gear shift assist does help for easy shifting as the engine cuts power/torque when the gear lever is shifted. The mechanical operation of the gear shift still stays exactly the same.
Your concern is noted and we need to get your bike inn to assess.

Let us know if there are any comments.
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 13, 2015, 12:57:52 pm
I am also experiencing some false neutrals, and also with the gear assist, the bike not always gears up, especially from 2nd to 3rd, resulting in the bike jerking forward, but remaining in 2nd
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Dwerg on February 13, 2015, 01:04:39 pm
Ja nee. Nou het ek al alles gehoor.

Op 'n heeltemal onverwante onderwerp, wanneer is Dan se skorsing verby?
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: BikerJan on February 13, 2015, 01:20:17 pm
Ja nee. Nou het ek al alles gehoor.


Wat sou jy daarmee bedoel ?
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: JohnB on February 13, 2015, 02:27:23 pm
Het n F650 besit, ook phantom neutrals gekry. Het iewers gelees die ketting se spanning kan dit veroorsaak.

Mens klink soos n moegoe as jy ry en skielik rev jy die ding in die rooi  :lol8:
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: JohnB on February 13, 2015, 02:38:16 pm
Sien nou eers wat jy ry.. ignore dan maar die ketting comment  :-[
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Oupa Foe-rie on February 13, 2015, 02:40:19 pm
Maybe you are not riding with BMW boots ................. be careful, you may get warranty issues because of that ............ :pot: :lol8:
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2015, 02:56:01 pm
Maybe you are not riding with BMW boots ................. be careful, you may get warranty issues because of that ............ :pot: :lol8:

Not all that funny.  I ride with BMW boots.   The LC is very sensitive to top hingste gear lever prior to the next shift.  It must be completely released (as any bike,  but LC more sensjtive).  Due to a broke foot many years ago,  I have to adjust my gear lever down on any bike I buy,  so the adjustment is 2nd nature for me.   First thing I do when I arrive home with a new bike.   Ja...  ja...  so what,  the detractors howl.

As you know,  my wife and I have identical LC's.   I have done the false neutral on her bike.  Never on mine.   She never gets false neutrals on her bike.   It may well be the gear lever position.

That being said,  I do not much like the LC gearbox and in the year 2014, IMHO,  any manufacturer should be able to build it fool proof,  or boot proof if you prefer.
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Oupa Foe-rie on February 13, 2015, 03:09:47 pm
Maybe you are not riding with BMW boots ................. be careful, you may get warranty issues because of that ............ :pot: :lol8:

Not all that funny.  I ride with BMW boots.   The LC is very sensitive to top hingste gear lever prior to the next shift.  It must be completely released (as any bike,  but LC more sensjtive).  Due to a broke foot many years ago,  I have to adjust my gear lever down on any bike I buy,  so the adjustment is 2nd nature for me.   First thing I do when I arrive home with a new bike.   Ja...  ja...  so what,  the detractors howl.

As you know,  my wife and I have identical LC's.   I have done the false neutral on her bike.  Never on mine.   She never gets false neutrals on her bike.   It may well be the gear lever position.

That being said,  I do not much like the LC gearbox and in the year 2014, IMHO,  any manufacturer should be able to build it fool proof,  or boot proof if you prefer.

Oh yeah .............. now I understand ............... It's not a boot fault, it's a bike fault ...............  :peepwall: :ricky:
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2015, 04:56:09 pm

Oh yeah .............. now I understand ............... It's not a boot fault, it's a bike fault ...............  :peepwall: :ricky:


Mielies - - - - >  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Heimer on February 14, 2015, 08:47:00 am
Ja nee. Nou het ek al alles gehoor.

Op 'n heeltemal onverwante onderwerp, wanneer is Dan se skorsing verby?
Ietwat oor 'n maand
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: GS12 on August 15, 2015, 01:04:46 pm
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: OomD on August 15, 2015, 05:11:55 pm
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
A software update to overcome a mechanical gear shift issue? Or is the software update related to the GSAP? And if so, that would probably not help for non-GSAP related false neutrals I guess?
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: T Rex on August 15, 2015, 05:16:22 pm
Thanks for the info .... , no problems on this side , with or without the quickshifter.
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: GS12 on August 15, 2015, 08:40:51 pm
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
A software update to overcome a mechanical gear shift issue? Or is the software update related to the GSAP? And if so, that would probably not help for non-GSAP related false neutrals I guess?
my 2015 has had no issues, my mates 2014 did and post the update its now sorted, both non GSAP, dont know how or what but it sorts the problem described above...
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Bundu on August 15, 2015, 09:10:35 pm
I have not owned a bike that has no false neutrals when I don't shift properly
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 15, 2015, 10:29:06 pm
I have not owned a bike that has no false neutrals when I don't shift properly

+1
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2015, 10:31:30 pm
I have not owned a bike that has no false neutrals when I don't shift properly

+1
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on August 19, 2015, 10:26:47 am
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
A software update to overcome a mechanical gear shift issue? Or is the software update related to the GSAP? And if so, that would probably not help for non-GSAP related false neutrals I guess?

It seems what this bit of magic does for you is, the moment you touch the clutch, the ECU retards the timing, enabling a smoother shift.  My bike will receive this today, so I will report back tomorrow.

Hope you enjoyed the RIDE!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: OomD on August 19, 2015, 10:37:40 am
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
A software update to overcome a mechanical gear shift issue? Or is the software update related to the GSAP? And if so, that would probably not help for non-GSAP related false neutrals I guess?

It seems what this bit of magic does for you is, the moment you touch the clutch, the ECU retards the timing, enabling a smoother shift.  My bike will receive this today, so I will report back tomorrow.

Hope you enjoyed the RIDE!   :thumleft:
Great seeing you again at Bavarian this morning. I look forward to hearing how this update improves/changes the gearshifts.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on August 19, 2015, 11:51:39 am
Old thread but as a matter of intrest there is a program udate that takes care of this problem...ask your dealer...
A software update to overcome a mechanical gear shift issue? Or is the software update related to the GSAP? And if so, that would probably not help for non-GSAP related false neutrals I guess?

It seems what this bit of magic does for you is, the moment you touch the clutch, the ECU retards the timing, enabling a smoother shift.  My bike will receive this today, so I will report back tomorrow.

Hope you enjoyed the RIDE!   :thumleft:
Great seeing you again at Bavarian this morning. I look forward to hearing how this update improves/changes the gearshifts.  :thumleft:

Ja.  Was a nice chat.

Looking forward to feel if there is any difference.
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on August 20, 2015, 09:20:28 am
Well, stone the crows!

It definitely feel as if gear changes (especially up) is smoother and less noisy.  Down is better as well and it seems the bike blips the throttle under certain conditions.  Not sure about that.  Will have to check more to be sure......
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: OomD on August 20, 2015, 09:34:10 am
 :thumleft: Nice! Will see if they can squeeze mine in for an upgrade before the Trophy...
Title: Re: False neutrals on LC
Post by: TheBear on August 20, 2015, 05:18:21 pm
Gear changes are definitely smoother,  especially up changes,  but also down.   I can now actually not have a daily gripe about the gearbox anymore.