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Title: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: wiledog_X on March 10, 2015, 01:26:46 pm
Cayenne is now the official distributor for Zero Motorcycles.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SA-multi-dealer-into-Zero-battery-bikes-20150310 (http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SA-multi-dealer-into-Zero-battery-bikes-20150310)

(http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/406/cb6db6c4495c4a53b48b5bcf52cd7cf4.jpg)

Cayenne World will have three models - DS Dual Sport; S Street Fighter and high-performance SR. The DS and S models will be offered at R1950 per month over 72 months that's (R140 000) with a three-year guaranteed buyback, a five-year or 160 000km warranty and a free service plan.

A check with Cayenne revealed that the bikes, right now (March 10 2015), were not yet in the country and the salesperson Wheels24 spoke to could not volunteer a cash price.

We did find prices for four models on Zero's German website and the prices there (converted from euros) were...

Zero S - R176 988
Zero SR - R227 500
Zero DS - R176 988
Zero FX - R129 756


...which is far from the apparent R140 000 SA price.

still..... pricey, hey!
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Roxtar on March 10, 2015, 01:32:01 pm
With Eskom on the up price wise and SA supply seemingly hazy especially with wintr approaching, these kinda bikes just make no sense to me in SA..........   ??? Just read yesterday om miningmx.com that Anglo and BHP are pulling out of their Eskom coal contracts and business in SA for seemingly greener pastures ...........  :(

Maybe I can charge my Electric bike with my petrol generator........  :imaposer: Dunno but I am just not a fan of these bikes here in SA, and think the timing could not be worse to launch them here...... hopefully I am wrong for the dealer sake.... :sip:

Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2015, 01:36:11 pm
With Eskom on the up price wise and SA supply seemingly hazy especially with wintr approaching, these kinda bikes just make no sense to me in SA..........   ??? Just read yesterday om miningmx.com that Anglo and BHP are pulling out of their Eskom coal contracts and business in SA for seemingly greener pastures ...........  :(

Maybe I can charge my Electric bike with my petrol generator........  :imaposer: Dunno but I am just not a fan of these bikes here in SA, and think the timing could not be worse to launch them here...... hopefully I am wrong for the dealer sake.... :sip:



Zero has been available in SA for about a year now, but newer through a proper dealer.    They are, imho, still too pricey and we have a problem with our NRTA, which will need an amendment.  They are incredible to ride though.  All torque available immediately and all the way through the "rev" range.



National Road Traffic Act, 1996 (Act No. 93 of 1996)
National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
Chapter X : Rules of the road and matters relating thereto
Part I : Rules of the road
323. Special provisions relating to freeways
 
 
1) No person shall operate on a freeway



c) a motor cycle having an engine with a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cubic centimetres or which is propelled by electrical power or which is a vehicle as contemplated in paragraph (b) of the definition of motor vehicle in the Act;  

Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: DeepBass9 on March 10, 2015, 01:41:13 pm
Do you register them as per usual or is a special licence required?
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: eberhard on March 10, 2015, 01:42:26 pm
So, I drink my Zero Coke on my Zero bike with Zero roads to drive?
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Roxtar on March 10, 2015, 02:26:24 pm
I can imagine as per comments above the torque makes the bike a thrill to ride, but pricing, range and electrical situation in SA just makes them not so practical imo, unless for city short commutes maybe
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Geriatrix on March 10, 2015, 02:34:51 pm
Are electric bikes prohibited only on freeways, or all major roads?

Can anyone who has ridden these bikes please give a full report? Any  guesses as to the range on sand / sand roads of the Kalahari?
I am looking at them with some interest since I may not be able to change gears on a "normal" bike.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Roxtar on March 10, 2015, 02:39:11 pm
Are electric bikes prohibited only on freeways, or all major roads?

Can anyone who has ridden these bikes please give a full report? Any  guesses as to the range on sand / sand roads of the Kalahari?
I am looking at them with some interest since I may not be able to change gears on a "normal" bike.

You can also look at the DCT Honda NC700, a better option imo  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2015, 02:50:42 pm
Are electric bikes prohibited only on freeways, or all major roads?



Only on freeways currently.  

You can also look at the DCT Honda NC700, a better option imo  :thumleft:


For sure.  The Zero, at this stage, will be cool for people who want to be seen to be green.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Grrrr.... on March 10, 2015, 02:59:59 pm
No thanks.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Geriatrix on March 10, 2015, 03:13:33 pm

You can also look at the DCT Honda NC700, a better option imo  :thumleft:

Nice looking bike, but what is it like on sand?
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: 2-Stroke on March 10, 2015, 03:30:15 pm
Cayenne is now the official distributor for Zero Motorcycles.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SA-multi-dealer-into-Zero-battery-bikes-20150310 (http://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SA-multi-dealer-into-Zero-battery-bikes-20150310)

(http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/406/cb6db6c4495c4a53b48b5bcf52cd7cf4.jpg)

Cayenne World will have three models - DS Dual Sport; S Street Fighter and high-performance SR. The DS and S models will be offered at R1950 per month over 72 months that's (R140 000) with a three-year guaranteed buyback, a five-year or 160 000km warranty and a free service plan.

A check with Cayenne revealed that the bikes, right now (March 10 2015), were not yet in the country and the salesperson Wheels24 spoke to could not volunteer a cash price.

We did find prices for four models on Zero's German website and the prices there (converted from euros) were...

Zero S - R176 988
Zero SR - R227 500
Zero DS - R176 988
Zero FX - R129 756


...which is far from the apparent R140 000 SA price.

still..... pricey, hey!


With Nedbank finance, they are R1950pm. This includes a free maintenance plan and a three-year guaranteed buy back.

Are electric bikes prohibited only on freeways, or all major roads?

Can anyone who has ridden these bikes please give a full report? Any  guesses as to the range on sand / sand roads of the Kalahari?
I am looking at them with some interest since I may not be able to change gears on a "normal" bike.

They are brilliant fun. The last models only needed work in the suspension department, but these new ones use Showa. Alan Cathcart did a story in the March Offroad & Adventure SA mag. Sorry, but I can't stick it up here.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Geriatrix on March 10, 2015, 04:01:09 pm
Thanks, I shall try to buy a copy.
It is expensive, but there is no oil or petrol to buy, charging the battery cost a couple of rands. No air or fuel filters, no valves, no piston rings.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Pom on March 10, 2015, 04:02:56 pm
No no no!!!
A bike should make mechanical noise and spit fire and brimstone.

Personally I think this idea is really naff! ???
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Single Cylinder on March 10, 2015, 04:12:39 pm
Nice, but no range and it takes to long to recharge. Maybe a fuel cell powered bike will be a better option   :ricky:
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Maddoglips on March 10, 2015, 04:18:17 pm
I'd rather connect a neon transformer through a tick tock to my wifes bicycle and have real fun >:D
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2015, 05:00:03 pm

You can also look at the DCT Honda NC700, a better option imo  :thumleft:

Nice looking bike, but what is it like on sand?

Must be better than the Zero.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2015, 05:02:58 pm
Thanks, I shall try to buy a copy.
It is expensive, but there is no oil or petrol to buy, charging the battery cost a couple of rands. No air or fuel filters, no valves, no piston rings.

It is double the price of a similar petrol bike.   Do you know how much petrol,  oil,  filters,  etc.  you can buy for R60 000?
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: BLK on March 10, 2015, 05:23:31 pm
Thanks, I shall try to buy a copy.
It is expensive, but there is no oil or petrol to buy, charging the battery cost a couple of rands. No air or fuel filters, no valves, no piston rings.

Craig Marshall brought them into the country initially and would be the right man to ask advice.You can see a write on his web page

 http://www.dualsportafrica.com/productreviewsadvbikes.htm (http://www.dualsportafrica.com/productreviewsadvbikes.htm)

I hope I'm allowed to link this page?

thks
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Omninorm on March 10, 2015, 06:00:15 pm
Zero X

Riding weight    73.0 kg      :o :o :o :o

How will this thing do at in the Dunes?



Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: HeeBs on March 10, 2015, 06:28:00 pm
I think with all of us being "REAL - bikers", we are looking at this bike from the wrong angle. There was a thread all about electric bikes quite a while ago.

Basically this will only be ideal for a short commute. I'm about 20 kays from work and my petrol bill is about R1000 to about R1300-00 a month, including some extra running around.
Now I'm not sure what the percentage of fuel levy & fuel tax goes to Jacob's Inkhandla but let's just say 70% - now I'd love to pay our Guvament R700 to R900 less each month  :biggrin:
Particularly after they just whacked anothr 80c onto the pump.

I remember doing a rough calculation on the electricity and it came out to about R67-00 a week ( Yes you can fight with me about my math but it was a while ago so I can remember)
anyway it was a lot less than juice !

The argument about our power supply in SA is well understood but then again you can always grab your car or petrol bike if load shedding is that bad.

It takes too long to charge? A good point but then again if you are using it to commute, plug it in when you get to work (let the company pay half), ride home and plug it in at home - chop chop !

Just consider NEVER having to chuck in petrol?

**As a side note, I think there's a real challenge awaiting all governments with regards electric vehicles - to be silly, just imagine 10 000 people riding electric bikes, all that loss in revenue!?!
The SA Guvament has already been quoted as saying that with newer, smaller and more efficient vehicles, they are already feeling the pinch.

Personally I'd just like to stick it up the guvaments arse !!!


Now let's talk about this mad price shall we?  :biggrin:



Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Straatkat on March 10, 2015, 10:36:20 pm
I tested one after the AMID show last year, awesome bike to ride, they silently accelerate like crazy from standstill. The road was slightly damp and it constantly spun up the back wheel. The whole bike looked like a Chinese 250 in size and quality, with skinny tyres and shitty suspension. For the asking price I would want some decent parts and a 600 superbike type tyre on the back at the very least. And yes there is virtually no maintenance and a charge is much cheaper than petrol, but the batteries have a life and needs to be replaced at great cost down the line. Personally I think it is too early to go electric, maybe in a few years we will see some decent electric scoots, but for now, I am going to walk away.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Bundu on March 10, 2015, 11:42:53 pm
No no no!!!
A bike should make mechanical noise and spit fire and brimstone.

Personally I think this idea is really naff! ???
always alternatives  ;) ;D

https://www.youtube.com/v/TChU86lyspI
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: luv2ride on March 11, 2015, 05:12:47 am
I came across one the other day on my commute into Stellenbosch. The acceleration of it is insane  :o
Title: Re:
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 11, 2015, 09:30:18 am
Ive ridden one.. they are awesome bikes. The eskom argument is a stupid one.. we will always have electricity or the economy will die snd trust me..Your uncharged bike will be the least of your worries.

The only and I mean only problem is the price
Title: Re:
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2015, 09:31:48 am
The only and I mean only problem is the price

Indeed and that is a big problem.
Title: Re:
Post by: Supervan on March 11, 2015, 01:38:06 pm
The only and I mean only problem is the price

Indeed and that is a big problem.

It is just a tad more than the top of the range Apple iWatch, then again I think the range on the iWatch is better.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: the_BOBNOB on March 11, 2015, 01:54:37 pm
so did the marshall guy in somerset-west that were selling these go belly up or where he never the official importer ???

how can cayenne now be the "first electric motorcycle" importer if it has been here for more than a year already ???

or did i miss something ???
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2015, 02:28:53 pm
so did the marshall guy in somerset-west that were selling these go belly up or where he never the official importer ???

how can cayenne now be the "first electric motorcycle" importer if it has been here for more than a year already ???

or did i miss something ???

I think the "Cayenne = first electric motorcycle importer" is a bit of marketing gumf.  We all know Marshal imported them about a year ago already.  A play with words like: "Cayenne World is marketing the first generally available battery bikes"

Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Brenny on March 11, 2015, 04:32:58 pm
I see a guy with a CA plate in Sandton daily on one.


Bike has a ever so subtle hum when its on the go
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2015, 06:17:35 am
I see a guy with a CA plate in Sandton daily on one.


Bike has a ever so subtle hum when its on the go

Subtle hum,  indeed.

The guys racing the TT Zero class on the Isle of Man,  reckons this is their biggest problem.  No noise,  so no chasing of birds,  rabbits,  etc.  off the track as they approach.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Brenny on March 12, 2015, 07:15:20 am
Even with a motor it happens
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Maddoglips on March 12, 2015, 08:28:17 am
I see a guy with a CA plate in Sandton daily on one.


Bike has a ever so subtle hum when its on the go

Subtle hum,  indeed.

The guys racing the TT Zero class on the Isle of Man,  reckons this is their biggest problem.  No noise,  so no chasing of birds,  rabbits,  etc.  off the track as they approach.

Arghh cardboard on the spokes would work fine man. GRRRR GRRRRR GRRRR will scare anything living away  >:D
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2015, 10:06:22 am
Even with a motor it happens


Indeed!  Can you imagine how much worse with no noise?
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Omninorm on March 13, 2015, 10:17:19 am
I see a LOT of great possibility for these as trail bikes etc. The fact that it's quiet will give one access to more places to ride.

Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Straatkat on March 14, 2015, 03:33:18 pm
The Lightning is the fastest bike on the planet.....and it's electric.
http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/)
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2015, 06:37:14 pm
The Lightning is the fastest bike on the planet.....and it's electric.
http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/)

It is indeed an incredible bike, but "fastest on the planet"  is open to debate.   Bikes like the Hyabusa and ZZR1400 derestricted could be faster.  The MTT Turbine Y2K is probably faster as well.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Straatkat on March 15, 2015, 09:42:59 am
Thinking about it, top fuel drag bikes are probably the fastest bikes on the planet, and even if you heavily modify a Hyabusa or Kawasaki 1400 (read turbo) and then a top fueller will run away from them like crazy. The H2 Kawasaki is groundbreaking too.
Point is the Lightning is an incredible machine, because all the above bikes are the result of more than 100 years of development of fossil fuelled engines, the Lightning is at the beginning of it's development cycle and is already close to the front if not in front.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Bundu on March 15, 2015, 02:54:38 pm
Thinking about it, top fuel drag bikes are probably the fastest bikes on the planet, and even if you heavily modify a Hyabusa or Kawasaki 1400 (read turbo) and then a top fueller will run away from them like crazy. The H2 Kawasaki is groundbreaking too.
Point is the Lightning is an incredible machine, because all the above bikes are the result of more than 100 years of development of fossil fuelled engines, the Lightning is at the beginning of it's development cycle and is already close to the front if not in front.

agree!
the other point I would think is that the Lightning could practically be used as a standard bike - top fueller not so much...
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2015, 03:01:00 pm


agree!
the other point I would think is that the Lightning could practically be used as a standard bike - top fueller not so much...

Agree as well,  but a Hyabusa,  MTT,  or ZZR14 could be practically used as a standard bike,  with just the voluntarily added,  derestrictions removed.  I didn't even think Top Fuel dragster or any other ace bike,  as for me the claim was always,  production bikes.

I just mentioned them as a matter of interest anyway and not as an attempt to take away from the Lightning in any way.   I have watched the battery powered bikes come a long way racing in the Isle of Man TT. over the years.   Just a few years ago they were aiming at a 160km/h average lap.  Last year they did just over 180.  Performance is incredible.   Only issue to date is price and range.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Bundu on March 15, 2015, 03:12:28 pm


agree!
the other point I would think is that the Lightning could practically be used as a standard bike - top fueller not so much...

Agree as well,  but a Hyabusa,  MTT,  or ZZR14 could be practically used as a standard bike,  with just the voluntarily added,  derestrictions removed.  I didn't even think Top Fuel dragster or any other ace bike,  as for me the claim was always,  production bikes.

I just mentioned them as a matter of interest anyway and not as an attempt to take away from the Lightning in any way.   I have watched the battery powered bikes come a long way racing in the Isle of Man TT. over the years.   Just a few years ago they were aiming at a 160km/h average lap.  Last year they did just over 180.  Performance is incredible.   Only issue to date is price and range.

for sure!  :thumleft:

but considering the maturity of the two technologies (fuel/elec) in so far as transport is concerned, I just imagine the progress that elec will still have - biggest hurdle is battery, but quite a lot of progress (and focus) is being made as we speak


 
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: volroom on March 16, 2015, 04:19:57 pm
The Lightning is the fastest bike on the planet.....and it's electric.
http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/)

It is indeed an incredible bike, but "fastest on the planet"  is open to debate.   Bikes like the Hyabusa and ZZR1400 derestricted could be faster.  The MTT Turbine Y2K is probably faster as well.

This bike has a 250mph (around 400km/h) claimed speed. nobody's ever returned the bike because it does not do it...
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 16, 2015, 10:10:39 pm
Battery powered vehicles are very old, IOW electric motor driven ones. The big letdown was always batteries, and it still is, though it has improved dramatically.

Like it was said in a previous post though, where this E-bike will kick petrol's arse is in a regular commute. To work, slow-charge while you work, ride home, slow-charge while you sleep.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: TheBear on March 17, 2015, 06:39:26 am


Like it was said in a previous post though, where this E-bike will kick petrol's arse is in a regular commute. To work, slow-charge while you work, ride home, slow-charge while you sleep.

 I fear that the capitalist system will  make electric bikes less lucrative than they could be.   Various companies are already looking into "pay as you use"  charging stations,  so charge at work,  or at a shopping centre will not be free.   Charging at home will cost a bit,  especially in SA where it will be some time before we pay for electricity on a "when you use"  basis,  I. e.  much cheaper at night.   Ad to that very expensive selling price,  which bring much higher insurance premiums,  it will take some time before they will actually be  cheaper.



Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: the_BOBNOB on March 17, 2015, 10:14:23 am


Like it was said in a previous post though, where this E-bike will kick petrol's arse is in a regular commute. To work, slow-charge while you work, ride home, slow-charge while you sleep.

 I fear that the capitalist system will  make electric bikes less lucrative than they could be.   Various companies are already looking into "pay as you use"  charging stations,  so charge at work,  or at a shopping centre will not be free.   Charging at home will cost a bit,  especially in SA where it will be some time before we pay for electricity on a "when you use"  basis,  I. e.  much cheaper at night.   Ad to that very expensive selling price,  which bring much higher insurance premiums,  it will take some time before they will actually be  cheaper.





+1

can also expect them to tax the sh*t out of electric vehicles

sooner or later they will figure out that you are not paying petrol taxes so they are loosing - they will then move that into your annual license fee and expect these not to be any cheaper than driving a gas guzzler
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: HeeBs on March 17, 2015, 06:00:27 pm
Petrol increase April expected to be in the region of R1.55 / litre !! This when petrol is hovering around R53 a barrel, what's gonna happen when it jumps back up to R80 / R90+ a barrel.

Anyone else notice how prices dropped in your supermarket during this "cheap petrol" period? - me neither  ::)
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: Straatkat on March 17, 2015, 07:48:49 pm
The Lightning is the fastest bike on the planet.....and it's electric.
http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/)

It is indeed an incredible bike, but "fastest on the planet"  is open to debate.   Bikes like the Hyabusa and ZZR1400 derestricted could be faster.  The MTT Turbine Y2K is probably faster as well.

This bike has a 250mph (around 400km/h) claimed speed. nobody's ever returned the bike because it does not do it...

Dead people don't return bikes!  If you can hold on at 400km/h you are a superhero. I shit myself doing 300.
Title: Re: Zero's now in South Africa
Post by: volroom on March 18, 2015, 07:53:20 am
The Lightning is the fastest bike on the planet.....and it's electric.
http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/)

It is indeed an incredible bike, but "fastest on the planet"  is open to debate.   Bikes like the Hyabusa and ZZR1400 derestricted could be faster.  The MTT Turbine Y2K is probably faster as well.

This bike has a 250mph (around 400km/h) claimed speed. nobody's ever returned the bike because it does not do it...

Dead people don't return bikes!  If you can hold on at 400km/h you are a superhero. I shit myself doing 300.

sure. I don't think anybody's attempted 400km/h on that bike. the jet engine has around 500Nm of torque...