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Title: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 14, 2015, 11:44:19 am
Hey chaps. I have a scott bum bag which worked well but is now almost worn through at the bottom. Its been good, but does bob around a little and the fit is not ideal. What do you use, and whats good? And then also where does one get them?
Keep in mind - use is for extreme endures and Amageza
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Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: LeeMichael on April 14, 2015, 02:51:04 pm
This is worth every penny!! I got my father one and it's a great piece of kit, very comfortable and some smart little features that really make it the best bum bag I have seen around.

http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r8-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r8-waistpack.html)
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 14, 2015, 04:10:04 pm
This is worth every penny!! I got my father one and it's a great piece of kit, very comfortable and some smart little features that really make it the best bum bag I have seen around.

http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r8-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r8-waistpack.html)

Looks good but looks really bulky!!
Thanks for the reply - will consider it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: adamktm on April 14, 2015, 04:15:11 pm
http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html)

This one is less bulky and as good, Kriege is amazing quality and will last a life time
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Wihan on April 14, 2015, 04:59:19 pm
http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html)

This one is less bulky and as good, Kriege is amazing quality and will last a life time

Who sells them, locally I mean?
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: jpcussen on April 14, 2015, 06:42:51 pm
http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html)

This one is less bulky and as good, Kriege is amazing quality and will last a life time

Yeah, I concur…. I have it and its waterproof and bullet proof in build quality, and holds all you will need. Problem with the R8 is that its like a chicks handbag, you can fit 10kg of tools in there that you will never use. I always remember Chris Birch said that if he hasn't used a tool in 6 months, and he regularly maintains his bike, he takes those tools out as the odds are so low vs the weight.

My 2c
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: BiG DoM on April 14, 2015, 07:29:34 pm
Kriega stuff is great but I can really recommend the new Leatt bumbag/toolbelt. Like their hydration packs it is made by UWE and is top class. UWE knows about making kit fit ergonomically and not 'monkey' about. It is very well designed, fits snug with a wide padded belt (can be packed full or lighter with the compression straps) and can hold as much or as little as you need, and has two great small pockets for race food etc.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: lowrider on April 15, 2015, 08:51:19 am
Can those little side bags on the Leatt be removed?
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: adamktm on April 15, 2015, 09:16:15 am
http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html (http://kriega.co.za/products/waistpacks/kriega-r3-waistpack.html)

This one is less bulky and as good, Kriege is amazing quality and will last a life time

Who sells them, locally I mean?

KTM CT sells them here
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Ryderod on April 15, 2015, 09:29:53 am
Can those little side bags on the Leatt be removed?

Would be perfect if they can be removed
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: BiG DoM on April 15, 2015, 11:50:19 am
Can those little side bags on the Leatt be removed?

No - but they are do not get in the way and really are not that big. Very useful as you do not need to take bag off or swing it around to get stuff like lipice, racefood, wypes for goggles and headcam etc etc.

If you want a smaller single pocket bag Thor makes a good one but the closure is only velcro - can wear and is not secure from little hands!

Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 15, 2015, 12:04:37 pm
Leatt one looks good too!
I like the side pockets for the very reason mentioned. No need to remove to get some food in fast. U can smash an energy bar on the go as you open a gate etc
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: BiG DoM on April 15, 2015, 03:25:31 pm
Leatt one looks good too!
I like the side pockets for the very reason mentioned. No need to remove to get some food in fast. U can smash an energy bar on the go as you open a gate etc

Exactly  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Dirty Boy on April 15, 2015, 03:32:28 pm
Leatt one looks good too!
I like the side pockets for the very reason mentioned. No need to remove to get some food in fast. U can smash an energy bar on the go as you open a gate etc

Also looks like it would double as a kidney belt.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: jpcussen on April 16, 2015, 09:09:45 am
Is Leatt option 100% waterproof like the Kriege?
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: BiG DoM on April 16, 2015, 10:20:15 am
Is Leatt option 100% waterproof like the Kriege?

The Kriega is a waistpack and to the best of my knowledge does not include a tool compartment - designed mostly for wearing in front I think. They make a separate tool roll that I guess could be put inside. As I say I like their stuff and have two of their tailbags. The Leatt is probably not 100% waterproof as it does not have the roll-over design that the Kriega packs depend on for this. Access though would be quicker with the Leatt though and the pockets are lined so pretty waterproof. I wonder what the Kriege costs plus tool roll? The Leatt is around R700.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: jpcussen on April 16, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
I think most of us with the R3 just whack in our tool roll that comes standard with our bikes - plus the few extras that we know we like to have with us. I think R3 is about R1000 or so, can't remember
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 16, 2015, 03:12:07 pm
I have the Leatt, and carry quite a bit in there, probably too much.

I would say the main rear pouch is waterproof from a rain perspective, but if you fell over in a river, everything is going to get wet.

I does not double up as a kidney belt as the strap is actually quite thin.

It is very comfy to wear, but I am looking at some method of attaching it to my camelback as well to keep it "in place", because as I say, mine is little bit heavy and it tends to head downwards in rougher terrain, I only use mine on my WR though.

Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Cracker on April 16, 2015, 04:05:17 pm
Attaching it to your tripper means you've put the weight back on your shoulders.
Negates the idea of putting the weight on your hips, so might as well use a backpack.

AFAIK for Amageza and other rallies, no tools are allowed to be carried on your body anyway - so you're bum bag should be quite light.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 16, 2015, 04:35:07 pm
Attaching it to your tripper means you've put the weight back on your shoulders.
Negates the idea of putting the weight on your hips, so might as well use a backpack.

AFAIK for Amageza and other rallies, no tools are allowed to be carried on your body anyway - so you're bum bag should be quite light.

Ja on Amageza I Use it for clothes and nutrition mainly. Tools are strapped on the bike wherever I can find somewhere to strap them - mostly on the tower which is not ideal but has worked well for me so far.
This year i'll have water on the bashplate and maybe some tools there too - will have to see
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 16, 2015, 07:42:07 pm
If you get good quality tools, you can store it inside your water container.  2 flies and all of that  >:D
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 17, 2015, 09:41:58 am
If you get good quality tools, you can store it inside your water container.  2 flies and all of that  >:D

HAHA -just cover in waterproof grease  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Minxy on April 17, 2015, 02:17:14 pm
The Giant loop bags are nice, waterproof and sturdy. HSK has the Mojavi saddlebags, they work really well and they are not too bulky.

http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/ (http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/)
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2015, 09:46:43 am
I have always worried about having sharp metal tools around your waist area in case of falling, is this a concern for Bum Bags ? I'd rather carry the tools somewhere on the bike like a tail pack etc.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 20, 2015, 11:09:13 am
Due to the leverage on the back, a tail pack can quite often cause rear bottoming on lighter bikes. That said, I cart an enormous load on the back of my 690 during Amageza without issues. It depends on how close to the weight limit of the spring you are.  Also, other than strapping the tools to the mirrors, that's as high you can get to impact the centre of mass.

Another issue, small riders carrying the tools on their bodies are sometimes better able to handle a bike because of the increased mass/force being affected onto the foot pegs.    The negative is if you do not stand the whole time, then you will effectively be doing squats each time you get up.

Falling on your back is certainly possible.  I have, and I had a bit of dust on my Bum Bag.  To me, it shows that you will arch your back instinctively when you are going to fall on pliers and a sparkplug - just kidding.

I use a bum bag bought at a fishing store, likely for wading style fishing.  2 compartments, R100. 
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Cracker on April 20, 2015, 03:07:27 pm
The Giant loop bags are nice, waterproof and sturdy. HSK has the Mojavi saddlebags, they work really well and they are not too bulky.

http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/ (http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/)


How big is your bum?  ;)
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Scrat on April 20, 2015, 03:49:13 pm
Bought one but will not use it..
it's one of these ... still brand new if someone might be interested?

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/9419/i/thor-motocross-tech-chamber-tool-pack (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/9419/i/thor-motocross-tech-chamber-tool-pack)

Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on April 20, 2015, 04:13:09 pm
Bought one but will not use it..
it's one of these ... still brand new if someone might be interested?

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/9419/i/thor-motocross-tech-chamber-tool-pack (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/9419/i/thor-motocross-tech-chamber-tool-pack)




How much?
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Minxy on April 20, 2015, 04:43:47 pm
The Giant loop bags are nice, waterproof and sturdy. HSK has the Mojavi saddlebags, they work really well and they are not too bulky.

http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/ (http://giantloopmoto.com/products/mojavi-saddlebag/)


How big is your bum?  ;)

Hahaha, for some reason I was thinking bum bag for a bike, aka saddlebag! I'm going crazy :P
Anyway, saw some actual waist/bum bags at full throttle. Something like this:
http://www.fullthrottle.co.za/online/viewproduct.php?productid=1565 (http://www.fullthrottle.co.za/online/viewproduct.php?productid=1565)
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on April 20, 2015, 10:31:00 pm
Hi

Be careful,

based on Section 5 of the Amageza Provisional regs as per 8 April 2015 (which is just an extract of the full regs based on the references and links)

** snip **
The Amageza Rallye is open to “Marathon, Super Production, Quads and Cars” Machines with either 2 or 4
wheels, freely available for sale or not, adapted to “Cross­Country” use and complying to the norms imposed
by the ​ FIM Technical Regulations for Cross­Country Rallies​ , and the FIA regulations for T3 class cars as
stipulated in ​ FIA Article 286​ .
** Snap **

then in said document on page 62
** snip **
Transport of fuel in any other way than in fuel tanks designed for this purpose
is forbidden. Similarly, transport of objects, parts, tools… susceptible to
cause injuries to a rider (back pack, belt…) is forbidden. Failure to respect
this rule will result in the start being refused.
** snap **

Also on total/extra water page 62 again
** snip **
080.28  SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT
The compulsory survival equipment, for the Rallies held in a desert
environment is the following:
•   Each  motorcycle  must  be  equipped  with  a  reserve  of  drinking  water
of a capacity of three litres minimum. This water must be able to be
reached without effort and without any tool, regardless of the position
of the machine
•   A soft water tank of minimum 2 litres carried by the rider, of a “Camelbak”
type
** snap **

Me think we all better read the whole 142 pages as not to buy/do things that is not allowed.

At the end it all boils down to a few simple rules.  Safety, even playing field and a moerse challenge. (If it is not safe it is illegal, if it allows you to cheat, its illegal, if it was easy we would not do it.  >:D )

Adie



 
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 20, 2015, 10:52:46 pm
Keep in mind - use is for extreme endures and Amageza
 :thumleft:

Where do the Dakar rally riders keep their tools? If Amageza prohibit tools on body I suppose Dakar will be the same?

Sub
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: sidetrack on April 21, 2015, 08:16:19 am
Keep in mind - use is for extreme endures and Amageza
 :thumleft:

Where do the Dakar rally riders keep their tools? If Amageza prohibit tools on body I suppose Dakar will be the same?

Sub
Certainly not in tool belts from what I have seen, on the bike. I reckon tool belts are more used by enduro riders going at slow speed.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on April 21, 2015, 08:34:08 am
Keep in mind - use is for extreme endures and Amageza
 :thumleft:

Where do the Dakar rally riders keep their tools? If Amageza prohibit tools on body I suppose Dakar will be the same?

Sub
Certainly not in tool belts from what I have seen, on the bike. I reckon tool belts are more used by enduro riders going at slow speed.

Enduro riders at slow speed   :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 21, 2015, 08:38:49 am
Attaching it to your tripper means you've put the weight back on your shoulders.
Negates the idea of putting the weight on your hips, so might as well use a backpack.

AFAIK for Amageza and other rallies, no tools are allowed to be carried on your body anyway - so you're bum bag should be quite light.

I have seen Koos at Amageza put his tools in the lower back pocket of his jacket.  Folds nice and flat and wide.
The weight distribution is then through the whole jacket and not just shoulder straps of a backpack.
With the water bladder also incorporated in the jacket it looked like a nice setup.

then in said document on page 62
** snip **
Similarly, transport of objects, parts, tools… susceptible to
cause injuries to a rider (back pack, belt…) is forbidden. Failure to respect
this rule will result in the start being refused.
** snap **

This rule is a bit open for interpretation. It does not forbid a backpack or tools on the body but only forbids such items if they are likely to cause injury.
Correctly designed items such as a backpack might actually add protection as opposed to being a hazard in my opinion.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: BiG DoM on April 21, 2015, 04:10:22 pm

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Enduro riders at slow speed   :spitcoffee:

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 :imaposer:

Indeed - you need to see the Wade Young's and Travis Teesdale's etc faaaarkoff these days ... while there may be 'slow' technical sections there are also high speed MX and offraod sections too and they travel on rails at warp speeds my bru.  :o
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: sidetrack on April 21, 2015, 04:15:52 pm




 :imaposer:

Indeed - you need to see the Wade Young's and Travis Teesdale's etc faaaarkoff these days ... while there may be 'slow' technical sections there are also high speed MX and offraod sections too and they travel on rails at warp speeds my bru.  :o
Fark dudes lets not get technical you know what I mean, enduro / extreme enduro is totally different to rally raid and Amageza etc. Just saying I have seen very few rally events with tool / bum bags on the waist. Still think it's a kark idea to have sharp metal bits strapped to your body when flying down the road at 100km/h, my friend had an off and the tyre lever popped out his backpack and landed on the ground next to him could have gone anywhere  >:( But yes many other ways to get injured as well.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: bonova on April 22, 2015, 05:36:57 pm
AAAAAND back to the subject at hand
I tried on a Leatt one - its very nice.
So now its between the scott, Leatt, and The KTM one that also looks good.
Looking at prices now and will decide
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 23, 2015, 03:27:56 pm
AAAAAND back to the subject at hand
I tried on a Leatt one - its very nice.
So now its between the scott, Leatt, and The KTM one that also looks good.
Looking at prices now and will decide

How does the pricing compare?
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: SteveD on April 23, 2015, 03:48:10 pm
Where do the Dakar rally riders keep their tools? If Amageza prohibit tools on body I suppose Dakar will be the same?

Eventually, somebody realised that Dakar follows the example that Amageza sets. Well done, sir  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 23, 2015, 05:09:51 pm
Where do the Dakar rally riders keep their tools? If Amageza prohibit tools on body I suppose Dakar will be the same?

Eventually, somebody realised that Dakar follows the example that Amageza sets. Well done, sir  :notworthy:

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:  Ingels, dis 'n snaakse taal.
Title: Re: Bum Bags - which one?
Post by: zacapa on April 23, 2015, 07:21:01 pm
Startline in Pinetown stock a cheap bum bag that is fairly voluminous. The quality of some Startline items may be questionable but my BB has so far been
pretty good for two years. Total volume about 2 liters.