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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 05:37:52 pm

Title: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 05:37:52 pm
So anyone? I've been advised to investigate?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: VaalBaas on May 03, 2015, 05:45:55 pm
Danie is nog op sy Sondag uitstappie :peepwall:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: DaveT on May 03, 2015, 05:47:03 pm
Rider settings/modes:
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=149021.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=149021.0)
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133066.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133066.0) (best for gravel)
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=144135.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=144135.0)
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=155424.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=155424.0) (enduro pro mode)
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=154226.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=154226.0) (ESA)

Found here:
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=125973.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=125973.0)
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: DaveT on May 03, 2015, 05:50:48 pm
This one sums it up best:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=144135.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=144135.0)
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 05:59:05 pm
Sho that's quick. Thanks guys.
Ok so how is it activated.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: DaveT on May 03, 2015, 06:40:27 pm
Plug under your seat needs to be plugged in. Then activate with mode button
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 06:44:31 pm
Ok I coin the space where you can plug something in. What do you plug in the little hole.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 03, 2015, 06:50:49 pm
Sho that's quick. Thanks guys.
Ok so how is it activated.
Keep pressing the mode button, it goes to Enduro Pro rigt after Enduro.

Rain -> Road -> Dyna -> Enduro -> Enduro Pro

But, Enduro Pro can only be selected if you have the dongle thingy plugged in (it will show. Little plug ison on the instrument cluster if the dongle is present).
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 06:56:16 pm
Dongle? Ok so I need a dongle to activate enduro pro. Ok so I've been advised to try out this mode. But  I have no dongle. Where can a get one of these. And how much are they. O and where from. I can't find anywhere details regarding purchasing this add on!
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 03, 2015, 07:01:06 pm
Dongle? Ok so I need a dongle to activate enduro pro. Ok so I've been advised to try out this mode. But  I have no dongle. Where can a get one of these. And how much are they. O and where from. I can't find anywhere details regarding purchasing this add on!
You get one mahala from a dealership. Just don't try enduro pro without knobblies. The bike is way too wild in enduro pro.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 03, 2015, 07:09:36 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2015, 08:55:36 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:


It should have come with the bike and fitted at the 1000km service. 
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Manic on May 03, 2015, 08:58:11 pm
Dongle? Ok so I need a dongle to activate enduro pro. Ok so I've been advised to try out this mode. But  I have no dongle. Where can a get one of these. And how much are they. O and where from. I can't find anywhere details regarding purchasing this add on!
You get one mahala from a dealership. Just don't try enduro pro without knobblies. The bike is way too wild in enduro pro.

Klink nice  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Manic on May 03, 2015, 08:59:42 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:


It should have come with the bike and fitted at the 1000km service. 

On the 1000km they do a log into ECU to see how you rode the bike.
If they see it was like a softy, you dont get the Dongle.

Its not free to all, they only issue it to people who can handle it.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: VaalBaas on May 03, 2015, 09:14:26 pm
Hier kom dit nou  :lol8: Gelukkig is die feite al op die tafel
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: n0b0dy on May 04, 2015, 08:44:06 am
Im a pro.
i only fall over when i stop.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 04, 2015, 10:01:15 am
I must add that, although my dongle was supplied (nicely tucked in underneath the seat) they never fitted it on my 1000km service. When I queried this they said I had to specifically request them to fit it (simply plug it in), to eliminate liability issues. Which makes sense, I suppose, but then at least tell me about it.

Anyway, just check if your dongle isn't attached to the underside of your seat. Little red thing, looks almost like a memory stick. If it is, just plug it into the recepticle which is also underneath the seat, close to the ECU's connector.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 04, 2015, 10:05:59 am
Gebruik jy baie enduro pro OomD? Ek nogal nie- het verkeerde tyres op
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 04, 2015, 10:11:03 am
Eerlike antwoord... het nog nooit nie! Selfs met ons Lesotho trip was die gewone enduro mode heeltemal voldoende in terme van kraglewering, remme vermoŽ, traksie, ens. Dis duidelik my vermoŽ wat tekort skiet  :imaposer:

Dalk gebruik ek eendag enduro pro en raak verslaaf daaraan! Wie weet. Maar met my skills sal dit waarskynlik opeindig as een van daai "ek is uit vir die volgende 6-weke"threads  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 04, 2015, 10:50:01 am
Eerlike antwoord... het nog nooit nie! Selfs met ons Lesotho trip was die gewone enduro mode heeltemal voldoende in terme van kraglewering, remme vermoŽ, traksie, ens. Dis duidelik my vermoŽ wat tekort skiet  :imaposer:

Dalk gebruik ek eendag enduro pro en raak verslaaf daaraan! Wie weet. Maar met my skills sal dit waarskynlik opeindig as een van daai "ek is uit vir die volgende 6-weke"threads  :imaposer:

Ek het hom so paar keer al gebruik, maar ek is ook taamlik skrikkerig vir hom - die eerste keer as jy die topbox so langs jou sien verbygaan, dan dink jy weer.

Ek verstaan die manne wat KAN ry geniet hom vreeslik en wil nie in ons sussie enduro mode ry nie. Dalk eendag kan ek ook die briekmerke in my onderbroek beter hanteer en dan ry ek sommer op die teerpad ook in enduro pro.

Ek is besig om te werk aan 'n nuwe stel Karoo 3's - dan gaan ek hom beslis weer probeer. Dink jy (ek bedoel ons) moet maar net stadig begin en kyk wat hy maak en nie maak nie, en dan aanpas
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 04, 2015, 11:16:43 am
Eerlike antwoord... het nog nooit nie! Selfs met ons Lesotho trip was die gewone enduro mode heeltemal voldoende in terme van kraglewering, remme vermoŽ, traksie, ens. Dis duidelik my vermoŽ wat tekort skiet  :imaposer:

Dalk gebruik ek eendag enduro pro en raak verslaaf daaraan! Wie weet. Maar met my skills sal dit waarskynlik opeindig as een van daai "ek is uit vir die volgende 6-weke"threads  :imaposer:

Ek het hom so paar keer al gebruik, maar ek is ook taamlik skrikkerig vir hom - die eerste keer as jy die topbox so langs jou sien verbygaan, dan dink jy weer.

Ek verstaan die manne wat KAN ry geniet hom vreeslik en wil nie in ons sussie enduro mode ry nie. Dalk eendag kan ek ook die briekmerke in my onderbroek beter hanteer en dan ry ek sommer op die teerpad ook in enduro pro.

Ek is besig om te werk aan 'n nuwe stel Karoo 3's - dan gaan ek hom beslis weer probeer. Dink jy (ek bedoel ons) moet maar net stadig begin en kyk wat hy maak en nie maak nie, en dan aanpas
Ja wat, my natuurlike talente skiet so bietjie tekort, sal ook maar stadig daarin val, as't ware.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Jughead on May 04, 2015, 12:54:21 pm
I have it plugged into Dorothee's ADV.

Hooligan mode that she stays well away from.  Only gets activated when I ride the bike.

Take this plug ...

(http://i60.tinypic.com/rm8t8x.jpg)

And plug it in here ....

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2eumx04.jpg)

Like so...

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2074745.jpg)

Now go play!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 04, 2015, 08:06:44 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:


It should have come with the bike and fitted at the 1000km service. 

I understood from Zambezi , it is not just plugging it in , they calibrate the suspension also .


Eerlike antwoord... het nog nooit nie! Selfs met ons Lesotho trip was die gewone enduro mode heeltemal voldoende in terme van kraglewering, remme vermoŽ, traksie, ens. Dis duidelik my vermoŽ wat tekort skiet  :imaposer:

Dalk gebruik ek eendag enduro pro en raak verslaaf daaraan! Wie weet. Maar met my skills sal dit waarskynlik opeindig as een van daai "ek is uit vir die volgende 6-weke"threads  :imaposer:

I also prefer the normal enduro mode , even with the Karoo 3's .... The pro mode makes the throttle VERY responsive ....
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 04, 2015, 08:30:40 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:


It should have come with the bike and fitted at the 1000km service. 

I understood from Zambezi , it is not just plugging it in , they calibrate the suspension also .
Strange, with mine they simply plugged it in (after I asked them to). Also thought there might be some computer tinkering necessary, but nope. Just plugged it in and off I went.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 04, 2015, 08:37:54 pm
Is my ears um I meant my eyes deceiving me. MAHALA. From dealer. Great news thanks all and thanks for all the input. 8 am at the dealer  :ricky:


It should have come with the bike and fitted at the 1000km service. 

I understood from Zambezi , it is not just plugging it in , they calibrate the suspension also .
Strange, with mine they simply plugged it in (after I asked them to). Also thought there might be some computer tinkering necessary, but nope. Just plugged it in and off I went.

Same here
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on May 04, 2015, 08:44:43 pm
An anti-softcock device  >:D -  probably changes the mapping to close loop or outside the other pre-set FI parameters. Quite common even on some other 'more basic' proper enduro bikes Ö like my G450X  ;D and even Husky TE610E has a power-up plug.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2015, 08:47:34 pm
An anti-softcock device  >:D -  probably changes the mapping to close loop or outside the other pre-set FI parameters. Quite common even on some other 'more basic' proper enduro bikes Ö like my G450X  ;D and even Husky TE610E has a power-up plug.

It changes more than just the throttle response, or power available of you prefer.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on May 04, 2015, 09:00:29 pm
An anti-softcock device  >:D -  probably changes the mapping to close loop or outside the other pre-set FI parameters. Quite common even on some other 'more basic' proper enduro bikes Ö like my G450X  ;D and even Husky TE610E has a power-up plug.

It changes more than just the throttle response, or power available of you prefer.

Ja the colour of the seat cover.  >:D
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2015, 12:07:15 pm


Ja the colour of the seat cover.  >:D

Nooit!

We LC riders are refined people and as such, ride with our pants on.   :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 05, 2015, 06:33:30 pm


Ja the colour of the seat cover.  >:D

Nooit!

We LC riders are refined people and as such, ride with our pants on.   :ricky:

The Ralley Suit is designed in such a manner that the shit stays inside  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2015, 08:00:54 pm


Ja the colour of the seat cover.  >:D

Nooit!

We LC riders are refined people and as such, ride with our pants on.   :ricky:

The Ralley Suit is designed in such a manner that the shit stays inside  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Exactly!   When you get a chance to stop you can just shake it out via the ankle opening.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 05, 2015, 08:03:49 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: VaalBaas on May 05, 2015, 09:04:27 pm


Ja the colour of the seat cover.  >:D

Nooit!

We LC riders are refined people and as such, ride with our pants on.   :ricky:

Jou tweegat, waar skaar jy jouself
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 05, 2015, 09:59:28 pm
I never fettle in brand-specific threads, but I could not let this juicy morsel pass by.......

So BMW got this enduro thing the wrong way around? Cannot say I'm surprised.

Some bikes have different setting, electronically adjustable, for example if you want to go fast, you can power-up, not go into "Enduro-mode" [pro or regular]
If you want to similate enduro conditions, then adjust the power to take the bite out of the delivery, for improved traction.

Ai, ai, toggie. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Manic on May 05, 2015, 10:09:48 pm
I dont forstand also.

KTM het 150hp, we ktm riders want more power!!!
BMW het wat 130hp?? Maar die pilots tune dis TE erg en plug die dongles uit??

Gee daai dongles vir ons, ons kan meer power handle pappies!!!
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 05, 2015, 10:20:42 pm
NEE NEE. Dis net paar van ons banggatte wat hulle nie elke dag gebruik nie. Die manne wat KAN bike ry issie bang vir hom nie.

Die dongles is juis daar om KTM te laat stof eet...😉
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Manic on May 05, 2015, 10:23:05 pm
NEE NEE. Dis net paar van ons banggatte wat hulle nie elke dag gebruik nie. Die manne wat KAN bike ry issie bang vir hom nie.

Die dongles is juis daar om KTM te laat stof eet...😉

Draadtie, moet nou nie dat ek en jy n lekker thread hier opvoeter nie. Jy weet mos nou jy praat lekker kak  :imaposer:   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 05, 2015, 10:26:45 pm
Haikona....struess bob my larnie
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2015, 06:16:00 am
I never fettle in brand-specific threads, but I could not let this juicy morsel pass by.......

So BMW got this enduro thing the wrong way around? Cannot say I'm surprised.

Some bikes have different setting, electronically adjustable, for example if you want to go fast, you can power-up, not go into "Enduro-mode" [pro or regular]
If you want to similate enduro conditions, then adjust the power to take the bite out of the delivery, for improved traction.

Ai, ai, toggie. :imaposer:


Nee man.   Jy verstaan net so verkeerd soos die meeste BMW ryers,  as ek die saak so kyk.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 06, 2015, 07:00:38 am
I never fettle in brand-specific threads, but I could not let this juicy morsel pass by.......

So BMW got this enduro thing the wrong way around? Cannot say I'm surprised.

Some bikes have different setting, electronically adjustable, for example if you want to go fast, you can power-up, not go into "Enduro-mode" [pro or regular]
If you want to similate enduro conditions, then adjust the power to take the bite out of the delivery, for improved traction.

Ai, ai, toggie. :imaposer:


Nee man.   Jy verstaan net so verkeerd soos die meeste BMW ryers,  as ek die saak so kyk.

Ons sal vir Dan MoŽt mooi verduidelik ....... Enduro stel nie net die Throttle response nie ....ook die traction control , abs , suspension preload en damping ..... Alles op een slag.
Vir Pro .... Die hele pakkie .... Net anders.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2015, 07:07:29 am
I never fettle in brand-specific threads, but I could not let this juicy morsel pass by.......

So BMW got this enduro thing the wrong way around? Cannot say I'm surprised.

Some bikes have different setting, electronically adjustable, for example if you want to go fast, you can power-up, not go into "Enduro-mode" [pro or regular]
If you want to similate enduro conditions, then adjust the power to take the bite out of the delivery, for improved traction.

Ai, ai, toggie. :imaposer:


Nee man.   Jy verstaan net so verkeerd soos die meeste BMW ryers,  as ek die saak so kyk.

Nee wat, geen hare van my tande af nie, jy weet mos BMW verstaan die konsep van "enduro" verkeerd. "Enduro" krag is 300KTM krag, nie 250YZ-2stroke kraglewering nie.
Enduro is minder wild, meer bruikbare krag.
Op die BMW is enduro meer wild, met minder bruikbare krag.
En selfs pro's wat Ertzberg wen gebruik enduro krag, nie YZ krag nie.

Ek los nou die bike specific thread, wou net reghelp, dat BMW ryers die konsep agter "enduro" sal verstaan.

Vriendelike groete.

Is reg so.  Ken jou nie as iemand wat regtig wil weet nie.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Frannarossi on May 06, 2015, 07:49:23 am
My doner,ek sien lankal die rooi pluggie onder die seat maar weet toe nie wat hy voor is nie en ignore hom....nou moet my werk net minder raak dat ek daai enduro pro mode kan gaan voel opi grondpad :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 06, 2015, 07:51:09 am
Wat 'n teleurstelling dat mens nou nie eens in die bike-spesifieke threads iets van waarde kan lees sonder om andere se stront eers te moet probeer vermy nie.  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 06, 2015, 07:59:29 am
Please - stop stirring on this thread gents - let's keep it a bike specific thread !!!
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Manic on May 06, 2015, 10:38:51 am
My doner,ek sien lankal die rooi pluggie onder die seat maar weet toe nie wat hy voor is nie en ignore hom....nou moet my werk net minder raak dat ek daai enduro pro mode kan gaan voel opi grondpad :thumleft:

Jy sien hom en vra niks?

Jy gedink dis n spare fuse?  :laughing4:

Ek sou hom al op showroom vloer ingepluk het  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Rafiki on May 06, 2015, 12:07:55 pm
Please - stop stirring on this thread gents - let's keep it a bike specific thread !!!

 :thumleft:  :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on May 06, 2015, 12:26:01 pm
I use Enduro Pro whenever I go onto gravel roads. I am no riding god, but like the automatic set up of the bike when enduro pro is selected. The biggest advantages for me is the fact that the ABS is deactivated on the rear wheel, but is still active on the front, as well as the fact that the ABS is specifically programmed for gravel roads. I do not find the throttle response to be too sensitive.

I have used enudor pro with TKS 80's, Karoo 3's as well as Anakee's, without any scary moments. But then again I ride like an old man  :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 06, 2015, 01:24:39 pm
I use Enduro Pro whenever I go onto gravel roads. I am no riding god, but like the automatic set up of the bike when enduro pro is selected. The biggest advantages for me is the fact that the ABS is deactivated on the rear wheel, but is still active on the front, as well as the fact that the ABS is specifically programmed for gravel roads. I do not find the throttle response to be too sensitive.

I have used enudor pro with TKS 80's, Karoo 3's as well as Anakee's, without any scary moments. But then again I ride like an old man  :ricky:
You make me want to use it now... I forgot about the ABS stuff. But isn't that the same as disabling the ABS? And also, while tractio control is optimised for enduro/offroad, is there still an amount of traction control? For example, what happens if you select enduro pro mode Šnd you disable traction control? More hooligan?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 06, 2015, 01:31:59 pm
Yes, and what does enduro pro do in reality that is different to enduro? On paper there seems to be only a difference as far as traction control is concerned, but not ABS. Is that right?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 06, 2015, 01:52:12 pm
Please - stop stirring on this thread gents - let's keep it a bike specific thread !!!

I'll respect this.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2015, 01:59:18 pm
Please - stop stirring on this thread gents - let's keep it a bike specific thread !!!

I saw it as educating.  Ah well.  I will refrain.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on May 06, 2015, 02:07:32 pm
Yes, and what does enduro pro do in reality that is different to enduro? On paper there seems to be only a difference as far as traction control is concerned, but not ABS. Is that right?

No, in Enduro mode, ABS is active on the front and rear wheels, with traction control activated, set for gravel roads. In Enduro Pro mode, Traction control is off, and ABS on the rear wheel is de activated, whilst still activated on the front wheel.

Throttle response is more sensitive in Enduro Pro, with more aggressive power, the suspension settings are also changed.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on May 06, 2015, 02:11:15 pm
I use Enduro Pro whenever I go onto gravel roads. I am no riding god, but like the automatic set up of the bike when enduro pro is selected. The biggest advantages for me is the fact that the ABS is deactivated on the rear wheel, but is still active on the front, as well as the fact that the ABS is specifically programmed for gravel roads. I do not find the throttle response to be too sensitive.

I have used enudor pro with TKS 80's, Karoo 3's as well as Anakee's, without any scary moments. But then again I ride like an old man  :ricky:
You make me want to use it now... I forgot about the ABS stuff. But isn't that the same as disabling the ABS? And also, while tractio control is optimised for enduro/offroad, is there still an amount of traction control? For example, what happens if you select enduro pro mode Šnd you disable traction control? More hooligan?

If ABS is de activated the ABS is off at the front and back, whilst the ABS on only the back wheel is de activated in Enduro Pro mode, as far as I know. I have not experienced any traction control in Enduro Pro yet. Back tyre is free to spin to your hearts content.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 06, 2015, 03:07:35 pm
So, what exactly does traction control do for you on gravel?

Is that not the real question then and where the real difference is between the two modes?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Jughead on May 06, 2015, 03:27:59 pm
So, what exactly does traction control do for you on gravel?

Is that not the real question then and where the real difference is between the two modes?

Nothing, beside making you fall over.

Traction control cuts the motor, so when riding technical terrain and you encounter a steepish rocky uphill, where you will inevitably get a bit of wheel spin, traction control will kill the power just when you need it most.

Have seen a number of guyz come short like this.

Here is one ...  He tried to climb one of the steps on Katberg pass.  Rear wheel got a bit of wheelspin, traction control cut the power and he had nowhere to put his feet down.

Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Frannarossi on May 06, 2015, 04:18:48 pm
My doner,ek sien lankal die rooi pluggie onder die seat maar weet toe nie wat hy voor is nie en ignore hom....nou moet my werk net minder raak dat ek daai enduro pro mode kan gaan voel opi grondpad :thumleft:

Jy sien hom en vra niks?

Jy gedink dis n spare fuse?  :laughing4:

Ek sou hom al op showroom vloer ingepluk het  :thumleft:
Ek het die bike mos tweedehands gekoop en ja nogals gedink dis 'n spaar fuse of iets.Nooit gekyk of gevra nie.Ek het altyd gedink die Enduro Pro mode is net vir die GSA's :lamer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on May 06, 2015, 04:22:49 pm
My doner,ek sien lankal die rooi pluggie onder die seat maar weet toe nie wat hy voor is nie en ignore hom....nou moet my werk net minder raak dat ek daai enduro pro mode kan gaan voel opi grondpad :thumleft:

Jy sien hom en vra niks?

Jy gedink dis n spare fuse?  :laughing4:

Ek sou hom al op showroom vloer ingepluk het  :thumleft:
Ek het die bike mos tweedehands gekoop en ja nogals gedink dis 'n spaar fuse of iets.Nooit gekyk of gevra nie.Ek het altyd gedink die Enduro Pro mode is net vir die GSA's :lamer:

Spare tampon holder?  ::)
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 06, 2015, 04:39:19 pm
So, what exactly does traction control do for you on gravel?

Is that not the real question then and where the real difference is between the two modes?

With regards to traction control and the two modes ......

In enduro it allows limited wheelspin , but cuts in if it gets exessive . You can drift but it will cut in if its goes out of control. It will also not wheelie. Very much like the "S"  setting on the air cooled GSA .

In enduro pro the traction control is switched of .....

 Simple as that.

In normal Road mode the traction control cuts in very early ..... Will frustrate you on dirt.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 06, 2015, 04:43:09 pm
So, what exactly does traction control do for you on gravel?

Is that not the real question then and where the real difference is between the two modes?

Nothing, beside making you fall over.

Traction control cuts the motor, so when riding technical terrain and you encounter a steepish rocky uphill, where you will inevitably get a bit of wheel spin, traction control will kill the power just when you need it most.

Have seen a number of guyz come short like this.

Here is one ...  He tried to climb one of the steps on Katberg pass.  Rear wheel got a bit of wheelspin, traction control cut the power and he had nowhere to put his feet down.



That is why , even on the aircooled bikes , you had the option to switch it off completely , or "S" , which allowed limited wheelspin.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 06, 2015, 04:44:10 pm
OK, so is this accurate - unless you are a riding god, use enduro mode. But, even though you are no riding god, use enduro pro when doing technical stuff at slower speeds where you need to have power at all times?

Or, another way, if not a riding god and when doing technical stuff where you need power all the time- enduro mode and switch off traction control???
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 06, 2015, 04:53:21 pm
OK, so is this accurate - unless you are a riding god, use enduro mode. But, even though you are no riding god, use enduro pro when doing technical stuff at slower speeds where you need to have power at all times?

Or, another way, if not a riding god and when doing technical stuff where you need power all the time- enduro mode and switch off traction control???

I agree with you first statement ....

BMW says in the manual , pro mode is for experienced riders with knobly tyres . Enduro is for off road with more road biast tyres.
The abs is also different , in pro , the abs on the back wheel is off. In enduro it allows locking the back wheel but it will interfere if things get out of control.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 06, 2015, 04:55:45 pm
Yip, so if you're not a riding god, ride in enduro mode, and just every now and then switch off the traction control to practice becoming a riding god so you can use the pro mode one day 😄😉
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: heinzz on May 06, 2015, 04:55:52 pm
OK, so is this accurate - unless you are a riding god, use enduro mode. But, even though you are no riding god, use enduro pro when doing technical stuff at slower speeds where you need to have power at all times?

Or, another way, if not a riding god and when doing technical stuff where you need power all the time- enduro mode and switch off traction control???

Not sure riding god has anything to do with it, but you will want to be in enduro pro mode or no traction control at all doing sand as an example.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2015, 05:40:17 pm
OK, so is this accurate - unless you are a riding god, use enduro mode. But, even though you are no riding god, use enduro pro when doing technical stuff at slower speeds where you need to have power at all times?

Or, another way, if not a riding god and when doing technical stuff where you need power all the time- enduro mode and switch off traction control???

Not sure riding god has anything to do with it, but you will want to be in enduro pro mode or no traction control at all doing sand as an example.

You can be in Enduro mode and switch the traction control of manually.
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Post by: JABO on May 06, 2015, 10:52:14 pm
Enduro pro does still have TC on but it is very limited. Only kicks in much much later. Lekker for those big drifts.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 07, 2015, 07:17:03 am
So this morning I thought I'd check out this enduro pro mode once and for all. We have a nice 2km long stretch of gravel with humps and twists and all, passing by the cement factory just south of Centurion, so I decided to detour to work via this road.

Now I don't know if its the reduced traction, or increased power, or if its just my perception/anticipation that made the difference, but this is a different toy altogether when you make the pro icon show. I could drift effortlessly, spontaneously and with a moerse grin om my face by simply twisting the grip. Normally the bike would just accelerate, but now the acceleration is accompanied by the rear wheel playing around and the revs making a lovely noise.  :ricky:

Approaching the speed humps is now a game... how much air time can I get? While I could do this previously with normal enduro mode it is now just with much more vigour.

OK but seriously, this bike is quite different, and I suspect it is mostly to do with the power that is now delivered unreservedly to the rear wheel, instead of the traction control keeping you in line.

I shall be taking this road again going home, and again tomorrow morning, and again... and again... It's like having a new toy!

Bucking frilliant  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: DaveT on May 07, 2015, 07:28:37 am
Am I correct in saying that, in Enduro pro mode when gripping a handful of front brake the rear will lock up first?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 07, 2015, 07:43:10 am
Am I correct in saying that, in Enduro pro mode when gripping a handful of front brake the rear will lock up first?
No, if you grab only front brake you will still have ABS front and rear. Only if you use the foot brake is the ABS disabled on the rear.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: VaalBaas on May 07, 2015, 07:46:42 am
So this morning I thought I'd check out this enduro pro mode once and for all. We have a nice 2km long stretch of gravel with humps and twists and all, passing by the cement factory just south of Centurion, so I decided to detour to work via this road.

Now I don't know if its the reduced traction, or increased power, or if its just my perception/anticipation that made the difference, but this is a different toy altogether when you make the pro icon show. I could drift effortlessly, spontaneously and with a moerse grin om my face by simply twisting the grip. Normally the bike would just accelerate, but now the acceleration is accompanied by the rear wheel playing around and the revs making a lovely noise.  :ricky:

Approaching the speed humps is now a game... how much air time can I get? While I could do this previously with normal enduro mode it is now just with much more vigour.

OK but seriously, this bike is quite different, and I suspect it is mostly to do with the power that is now delivered unreservedly to the rear wheel, instead of the traction control keeping you in line.

I shall be taking this road again going home, and again tomorrow morning, and again... and again... It's like having a new toy!

Bucking frilliant  :thumleft:

Sounds like the Hp in "pro" mode ;D You realize what comes with this pleasure.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2015, 09:53:10 am
Seems the most fun of owning a LC is spending time studying the manual!   :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: heinzz on May 07, 2015, 10:10:26 am
Seems the most fun of owning a LC is spending time studying the manual!   :ricky:

Seems true, and for the lazy guys you ask this dude, well known.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2015, 10:49:57 am
That bike seems to be in F16 mode.   :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 07, 2015, 10:57:50 am
Seems the most fun of owning a LC is spending time studying the manual!   :ricky:
This is quite true, for me. Whenever I get a new vehicle (not as often as I would like to :biggrin:) and read the manual it is like an information overload, especially BMW's manuals. They have the normal operational section (how-tos), and then the technical section (why, where, etc) where a lot of things are discussed in more depth.  Once I've gone through that manual my brain feels decidedly mushy. So I enjoy rereading the manual a few months down the line, because then the things that were new in the manual starts making sense and I can relate to what they are saying. And that is when you spot the little things you missed the first time.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on May 07, 2015, 11:00:40 am
Seems the most fun of owning a LC is spending time studying the manual!   :ricky:
This is quite true, for me. Whenever I get a new vehicle (not as often as I would like to :biggrin:) and read the manual it is like an information overload, especially BMW's manuals. They have the normal operational section (how-tos), and then the technical section (why, where, etc) where a lot of things are discussed in more depth.  Once I've gone through that manual my brain feels decidedly mushy. So I enjoy rereading the manual a few months down the line, because then the things that were new in the manual starts making sense and I can relate to what they are saying. And that is when you spot the little things you missed the first time.

I prefer to try things out on the fly, so usually just scan through the manual, and then try the different settings etc out for myself. Therefore I normally miss out on all the finer details  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2015, 11:03:13 am
This is quite true, for me. Whenever I get a new vehicle (not as often as I would like to :biggrin:) and read the manual it is like an information overload, especially BMW's manuals. They have the normal operational section (how-tos), and then the technical section (why, where, etc) where a lot of things are discussed in more depth.  Once I've gone through that manual my brain feels decidedly mushy. So I enjoy rereading the manual a few months down the line, because then the things that were new in the manual starts making sense and I can relate to what they are saying. And that is when you spot the little things you missed the first time.


I prefer to try things out on the fly, so usually just scan through the manual, and then try the different settings etc out for myself. Therefore I normally miss out on all the finer details  :laughing4:

Of course.  We are, after all, guys.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Lord Knormoer on May 19, 2015, 07:52:16 pm
I've posted this a few times but here goes again:

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/19/0bac5399cb270232a0ba7218a5b8d400.jpg)

Must say this is one of the most enjoyable threads I've seen in a long time!! Half the answers are correct and the other half, well let's just leave it at that.

Simply said, in Enduro Mode bike does the thinking for you, in Enduro Pro you have to think for yourself including whether you wish to lock the rear or not.

I only ride Enduro Pro with TC off. This taught me to control the throttle without depending on the computer too much.

Funny that I agree with 2SD about traction!! If you're doing technical trails and hill climbing, switch to Rain mode and switch TC off. The muted throttle response will enable much more control!

Of you have miles of open dirt in front of you and plan to run at 200km/h drifting through corners and tearing up the road, Enduro Pro is your setting.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 19, 2015, 08:50:25 pm
I crossed over breedtsnek on Sunday, in enduro pro mode. The bike jumped around  a bit over the rocky sections, clearly spinning the back wheel up when I had no traction and lunging the bike forward as soon as the wheel landed again. I must admit it was not easy controlling the bike like this. But I'm putting this down squarly to my lack of skill and offroad experience.

When I did Lesotho last month, I did it in straight forward enduro mode, but with abs disabled. I had a much easier time controlling the bike over the rocks then, and the power did not cut once.

That being said, I get the impression the bike does not simply cut the power when loss of traction is detected, it merely reduces power output. So it's not like an on/off thing, but more like you're closing the throttle just enough to stop the wheelspin.

Anyway, I concur thus that enduro pro mode requires more skill and experience to keep the bike going smoothly forward.

I'll try LKM's suggestion of rain mode for the easier throttle responce, but sith traction control turned off. In fact, I'll use normal enduro mode like this to get used to the traction control aspect, and gradually move to enduro pro mode as I get used to the more dynamic throttle response.

Or I'll just stick to enduro pro and learn the old school way.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 19, 2015, 08:53:52 pm
LKM, ek het nou agtergekom dat enduro pro hel wild is. Dis 'n Bike van 'n ander kleur waarvoor jy moet katvoet wees heeltyd. Ek ry op my lekkerste in enduro, en as dit tegnies raak of ek wil bietjie wheelspin hÍ dan sit ek TC af, wat seker maar dan in essensie dieselfde is as enduro pro.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on May 20, 2015, 06:32:12 am
Had mine in Enduro Pro mode on the weekend  :ricky:

(purposely forgot to switch on the smoke and mirrors  8))
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on May 20, 2015, 06:53:14 am
Had mine in Enduro Pro mode on the weekend  :ricky:

(purposely forgot to switch on the smoke and mirrors  8))
Beautiful place that  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: K-9 on May 20, 2015, 11:29:32 am
Am I correct in saying that, in Enduro pro mode when gripping a handful of front brake the rear will lock up first?

i was playing around on a steep loose gravel down hill section, trying to go as slow as possible, then stop and go.  so a controlled very slow down hill, without touching the back pedal, in enduro pro - the back does lock up completly - with the front still turning.  giving me total controlled stop and goes.

so grabbing a handful of front only - no back brake, at speed, i would imagine it will lock the rear brake.

these mood modes are fantastic
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Frannarossi on May 23, 2015, 09:31:23 pm
So uiteindelik kon ek vandag die Enduro Pro mode gaan probeer.Ekt so amper 300 km se grondpaaie gery en moet erken ekt nie geweet die bike kan so f*kk*f nie :drif: .Die ding hou eenvoudig net nie op spin nie.Ek dink ekt 'n 1000 km van my Karoo afgehaal maar dit maak nie 'n moer saak nie,dit was die meeste pret wat ek in my lewe op 'n bike gehad het.Sal more weer moet gaan net om seker te maak ekt nie vandag se ryery gedroom nie!
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Draadwerk on May 24, 2015, 06:12:10 am
So uiteindelik kon ek vandag die Enduro Pro mode gaan probeer.Ekt so amper 300 km se grondpaaie gery en moet erken ekt nie geweet die bike kan so f*kk*f nie :drif: .Die ding hou eenvoudig net nie op spin nie.Ek dink ekt 'n 1000 km van my Karoo afgehaal maar dit maak nie 'n moer saak nie,dit was die meeste pret wat ek in my lewe op 'n bike gehad het.Sal more weer moet gaan net om seker te maak ekt nie vandag se ryery gedroom nie!

Dis die hele probleem - die lekker stop nie, en die tyres kan nie byhou nie. Wie worry oor tyres as jy sulke fun kan hÍ ???  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 24, 2015, 08:03:17 am
So uiteindelik kon ek vandag die Enduro Pro mode gaan probeer.Ekt so amper 300 km se grondpaaie gery en moet erken ekt nie geweet die bike kan so f*kk*f nie :drif: .Die ding hou eenvoudig net nie op spin nie.Ek dink ekt 'n 1000 km van my Karoo afgehaal maar dit maak nie 'n moer saak nie,dit was die meeste pret wat ek in my lewe op 'n bike gehad het.Sal more weer moet gaan net om seker te maak ekt nie vandag se ryery gedroom nie!

Frannarossi ek was bevoorreg om op die Sabie Challenge te sien hoe ry Johan Gray daardie LC GSA .

Van die stadige tegniese Skills Challenge  ( cones en balans oefeninge) tot die oop ketels soos wat jy in die foto vroeŽr in die Thread gesien het. Hy ry daardie 250 kg masjien soos n plastic. Daardie fietse is tot Baie meer in staat as wat jy dink.

Ek is bereid om te sÍ dat in 90% van  die gevalle is die "limiting Factor" die ou op die fiets is en nie die fiets self nie.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: SGB on May 24, 2015, 12:59:50 pm
Quote

Ek is bereid om te sÍ dat in 90% van  die gevalle is die "limiting Factor" die ou op die fiets en nie die fiets self nie.

Wyse woorde......
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Frannarossi on May 24, 2015, 02:02:32 pm
Ek stem 100% saam ja.Het al agter gekom,die bike sal loop enige plek enige tyd en so hard soos wat 'n man balle het om hom te ry!
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Lord Knormoer on May 25, 2015, 07:03:14 am
Quote

Ek is bereid om te sÍ dat in 90% van  die gevalle is die "limiting Factor" die ou op die fiets en nie die fiets self nie.

Wyse woorde......

:thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on May 25, 2015, 11:24:21 am
Ek is bereid om te sÍ dat in 90% van  die gevalle is die "limiting Factor" die ou op die fiets is en nie die fiets self nie.

Wat bedoel jy!?  As ek 'n Yamaha M1 ry, sal ek nie by Rossi kan hou nie!?  Jy breek my hart!   :imaposer:

Ek wil eintlik sÍ, jy is verkeerd.  Dis nie 90% nie, dis 99%.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: T Rex on May 25, 2015, 12:05:51 pm
Ek is bereid om te sÍ dat in 90% van  die gevalle is die "limiting Factor" die ou op die fiets is en nie die fiets self nie.

Wat bedoel jy!?  As ek 'n Yamaha M1 ry, sal ek nie by Rossi kan hou nie!?  Jy breek my hart!   :imaposer:

Ek wil eintlik sÍ, jy is verkeerd.  Dis nie 90% nie, dis 99%.

Ek is soms verkeerd  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on June 03, 2015, 07:17:16 am
I've been riding a gravel road to work most mornings now for a while, each time using the enduro pro mode. Just to get used to it and play around. Because skills, I am in dire need of. Anyway, so decided to take this other route this morning, more rocky, more ruts, more single-track and jeeptrack. Approaching the gravel I do the usual click-clickety-click of the mode switch to go to Enduro pro mode, and off I go. Except I forgot to pull in the clutch and close the throttle to make enduro pro mode stick, so the bike went back to road mode. I only noticed this when I eventually went back onto tar. What a disappointment, here I thought I was starting to master all the power underneath me, and meantime it's the bike stopping me from slipping around.

Ai tog. :imaposer:

Guess I'll just have to do that route again tomorrow!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2015, 07:32:37 am
NO - I disagree Ö this is precisely when you start LEARNING SKILLS and stop depending on all the whizz bang technology of traction control, ABS etc etc Ö which could very well let you down one day and then you are cooked because you are dependant on it  ::)  Ride that road bareback with it all off everyday and see how your riding will improve.  :3some:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: VaalBaas on June 03, 2015, 07:45:42 am
NO - I disagree Ö this is precisely when you start LEARNING SKILLS and stop depending on all the whizz bang technology of traction control, ABS etc etc Ö which could very well let you down one day and then you are cooked because you are dependant on it  ::)  Ride that road bareback with it all off everyday and see how your riding will improve.  :3some:


..but isnt that more or less what the pro mode is?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on June 03, 2015, 08:55:03 am
NO - I disagree Ö this is precisely when you start LEARNING SKILLS and stop depending on all the whizz bang technology of traction control, ABS etc etc Ö which could very well let you down one day and then you are cooked because you are dependant on it  ::)  Ride that road bareback with it all off everyday and see how your riding will improve.  :3some:
BiG DoM I agree, I actually meant that I need to return to the road precisely to ride it with all the gizmos turned off.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2015, 08:55:32 am
NO - I disagree Ö this is precisely when you start LEARNING SKILLS and stop depending on all the whizz bang technology of traction control, ABS etc etc Ö which could very well let you down one day and then you are cooked because you are dependant on it  ::)  Ride that road bareback with it all off everyday and see how your riding will improve.  :3some:


..but isnt that more or less what the pro mode is?

If it is then sorry I misunderstood it - are all the bells and whistles turned off and the mapping put on roids?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on June 03, 2015, 08:58:53 am
My opinion is that it is good to exercise with all the gizmo's turned off, but whenever I go on a ride, I want everything on to help me to reduce the chances of an accident.

Went for an ride to a friend's farm last Saturday, and had the bike in Enduro for the first time, and not Enduro Pro. Was fine, except that the rear could not lock up when doing emergency braking. I prefer the rear to lock up under hard breaking, as I was taught this way, so therefore prefer Enduro Pro. In Enduro Pro the front ABS still works, so that in the event where I grab the front brake when getting a fright, the front will not lock up.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on June 03, 2015, 09:05:18 am
Lord Knormoer explained what is on and off with Enduro Pro, please see post # 75
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: BikerJan on June 03, 2015, 09:07:17 am
Appologies, double post
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 03, 2015, 02:42:53 pm
For an experience like BiG DoM suggest, run in Dynamic, switch both TC and ABS off completely, set suspension to Hard and hold on :thumleft:
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on June 03, 2015, 03:01:33 pm
For an experience like BiG DoM suggest, run in Dynamic, switch both TC and ABS off completely, set suspension to Hard and hold on :thumleft:
How is this different to enduro pro mode?
Title: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: Lord Knormoer on June 04, 2015, 10:56:10 am
Enduro Pro does not have direct throttle response, (the computer will adjust for best performance on dirt) and has ABS and TC tuned for dirt.

Dynamic has direct throttle response and with ABS and TC switched off it all depends on your skill.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on June 04, 2015, 01:38:32 pm
Enduro Pro does not have direct throttle response, (the computer will adjust for best performance on dirt) and has ABS and TC tuned for dirt.

Dynamic has direct throttle response and with ABS and TC switched off it all depends on your skill.

Ahhhh....

So enduro pro is not the most hooligan setting available then? Vark steaks. Dunno if I even want to try the other option.

It makes no sense for them the withhold enduro pro mode without the dongle, but yet you have more aggresive riding settings available then anyway?
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on June 04, 2015, 01:45:20 pm


It makes no sense for them the withhold enduro pro mode without the dongle, but yet you have more aggresive riding settings available then anyway?

Maybe because Enduro Pro is supposed to be used with knobblies only?

There are, imho, no hooligan modes.  There are modes to do a specific job and on a GS, none of those are HOOLIGAN. 

Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: OomD on June 04, 2015, 01:50:38 pm
It makes no sense for them the withhold enduro pro mode without the dongle, but yet you have more aggresive riding settings available then anyway?
Maybe because Enduro Pro is supposed to be used with knobblies only?
Yes they say that, and not wanting to fight BMW or you here, just wondering out loud... if Enduro pro is  supposed to be used with knobblies then surely the same applies to dynamic mode with traction control and ABS turned off?

Forgetting the word "hooligan", what I was trying to say is that enduro pro mode does not unlock the most agressive mode (let's call it that), if a more aggressive riding mode is obtained by twiddling other settings without the dongle.

I do know that, with the dongle, your suspension choices for each mode is remembered, and also traction and abs settings even after turning off ignition. Maybe that is the bigger reason for the dongle then?

There are, imho, no hooligan modes.  There are modes to do a specific job and on a GS, none of those are HOOLIGAN.  
Quite right, only hooligan riders  :ricky: Maybe we should call it "hooligan enabling mode"?  :biggrin:

Edit: spelling.
Title: Re: Enduro Pro mode! What is it?
Post by: TheBear on June 04, 2015, 02:03:05 pm
It makes no sense for them the withhold enduro pro mode without the dongle, but yet you have more aggresive riding settings available then anyway?
Maybe because Enduro Pro is supposed to be used with knobblies only?
Yes they say that, and not wanting to fight BMW or you here, just wondering out loud... if Enduro pro is  supposed to be used with knobblies then surely the same applies to dynamic mode with traction control and ABS turned off?

I would think Dynamic Mode is for on road riding, so no knobblies involved.

The various modes, with other manual override options, I reckon, was meant to give the rider many different options.  To each his own I suppose.  I personally can find no reason why a rider would want to use dynamic mode on dirt.  

There are, imho, no hooligan modes.  There are modes to do a specific job and on a GS, none of those are HOOLIGAN.  
Quite right, only hooligan riders  :ricky: Maybe we should call it "hooligan enabling mode"?  :biggrin:

Edit: spelling.

True.  To true.   :ricky: