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Title: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on May 08, 2015, 07:39:11 am
Any advice on tyre selection for a 690R?

Got my first 690 a week or 2 ago, and it's in need of new tekkies. Most of my riding is done on backroads, jeeptracks, sand, rocky trails and everything that's off the beaten track. What have you guys had that has proofed suitable..?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on May 08, 2015, 08:06:55 am
Tyres I've used on my 640 and 690: Full offroad, Dunlop Geomax AT81, on the aggresive side Michelin Desert, Pireli Scorpion XC. More dirt touring orientated, Mitas E09, Michelin T63, Dunlop D606. Less offroad, Mitas E07, Metzeler Sahara.

Deserts are great but they are pricey. Actually, I like all the tyres on the list which lean to offroad use but I am a cheapskate so my combo of choice is AT81 front and T63 rear. A set will cost you around R1500
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Buff on May 08, 2015, 08:16:18 am
Let's be honest, it doesn't matter what you use, it ain't going to last on the 690 so go for the cheapest option   ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dirt Junkie on May 08, 2015, 08:21:44 am
Tyres I've used on my 640 and 690: Full on offroad, Dunlop Geomax AT81, on the aggresive side Michelin Desert, Pireli Scorpion XC. More dirt touring orientated, Mitas E09, Michelin T63, Dunlop D606. Less offroad, Mitas E07, Metzeler Sahara.

Deserts are great but they are pricey. Actually, I like all the tyres on the list which lean to offroad use but I am a cheapskate so my combo of choice is AT81 front and T63 rear. A set will cost you around R1500
T63 rear wow how long does it last
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on May 08, 2015, 08:24:24 am
Depends on how you ride but like Buff said, most give the same mileage more or less. I usually get around 3000kms on a set of tyres
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dirt Junkie on May 08, 2015, 08:33:24 am
I also get 3k on a E09 so were wondering what I'll get on T63, it might just be more cost affective to use two of them as the E09 is quite costly.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on May 08, 2015, 09:02:36 am
I also get 3k on a E09 so were wondering what I'll get on T63, it might just be more cost affective to use two of them as the E09 is quite costly.

My current one is on about 1500kms and still far from done. Initial wear is quick but then it seems to settle. I also like E09s but they are just too expensive
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on May 08, 2015, 10:17:55 am
Raait. Klomp lekker opsies.

Ek het die bike gekry met 'n E07 agter op, maar ek is ook maar 'n knobly man, so sal eerder kyk na die meer agresiewe opsies.

Voorwiel is huidiglik Maxxis Cross. Dieselfde as wat ek op my XR400 het, en eintlik heel tevrede gewees met die band op die XR, maar weet nie hoe sal hy hou op die 690 nie. Enige van julle die Maxxis al beproef?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: JonW on May 08, 2015, 11:08:38 am
At the moment Mitas are my favorite from a performance v value basis.

I am very happy with a CO2 on the back and a C23 on the front.

For what you want that should be perfect.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Avontier on May 08, 2015, 12:12:44 pm
I have just fitted the Pirelli MT21 Rallycross rear tyre and like it thus far


(http://tpimotorcycleparts.com/dr650/images/tires/TIRES.jpg)
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on May 08, 2015, 02:01:54 pm
I have just fitted the Pirelli MT21 Rallycross rear tyre and like it thus far

I've use that rear on my 640. Lasted 1400 km  :patch:
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Buff on May 08, 2015, 02:54:31 pm
Just spun up my rear Sirac cornering away from a traffic light in 2nd. HTF I never got hi-sided I still don't know, need to go check my jocks now  :o Re-thinking about putting a knobbly on now  ???
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Richard Smit on May 08, 2015, 03:58:35 pm
I've used the MITAS E09, and the Perelli MT21 Rallycross tyres (matched sets front and rear) on my 690.

My experience has been that the Perellis handle far better than the MITAS tyres, specifically hooking up better in corners, and on hard surfaces. Drifting out of turns is also noticeably more predictable with the Perelli tyres (over the MITAS E09s).

If I were to plan a long trip, with less technical riding I'd seriously consider a set of Karoo 3 tyres though. I used them on my 990, and was very impressed.

The MT21s are a good choice.

A set of Kenda Big Block tyres would be worth looking at too... Good value, very puncture resistant (Tough as all hell actually), and decent performance.

Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: MadM on May 08, 2015, 07:36:56 pm
Have a look at a Mitas C-17 Dakar front and C-02 Stoneking rear tyres, I really like them in all kinds of terrain. Though I can't say how they handle in desert sand as I don't have any to try them out :D
Title: Re: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Avontier on May 08, 2015, 11:43:58 pm
I have just returned from a 12 day 5000 km trip with the 990 around SA of which 2000km dirt roads, on Karoo 3 front and rear. The rear is finished, while front shows very little wear. Definitely my new favourites for the 990.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 09, 2015, 04:19:08 pm
I use a Mitas E-07 on the rear, good all-round grip and very good kilos. Front nothing but a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross.

This combination I have found to be without vices, except the R1400 rear price. :imaposer:
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Hooli on May 14, 2015, 08:21:41 pm
TKC front, very good kilo's and grip over all, with a Mitas EO9 rear.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: witblitz on May 15, 2015, 07:50:06 am
TKC front, very good kilo's and grip over all, with a Mitas EO9 rear.

I disagree. This was the biggest load of kak I ever had on this bike. Front wheel was drifting all over on the tar roads. The bike would not turn in the sand. Ek het amper my P afgeval met dit. I would be better off riding on the rim than fit this tyre again.

The only option is a Pirelli MT21 on the front. The E07 rear gives good mileage and okay traction in all terrains, but takes a bit more effort to get going in soft sand.

Put on a MC23 on the back now to give that a go.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Gee S on May 18, 2015, 11:49:10 am
I have a TKC on the front and a Michelin Desert on the rear 1.5 bar in both. I like the TKC on the front and have not experienced any drifting or other proplems. Grip is good on tar and dirt and it worked well in the Maraisburg mine dumps.

I had a T63 on the rear and it also had good grip. Only problem I had was that one of the center knobs tore completely out of the tyre when I popped a wheelie on tar at about 3500Ks
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Toors on May 20, 2015, 12:38:51 pm
Pirelli Mt 21
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: jj le roux on May 25, 2015, 12:57:46 pm
The TKC in front doesn't work very well in my experience. The best combination I believe is a MT21 on the front and EO7 on the back
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on May 30, 2015, 09:51:00 pm
Seems like the E07 is actually quite popular, maybe for a good reason. So I think I'll stick with the E07, Maxi Cross combo that I got it with for now.

What milage can I expect on the E07?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: StuartC on May 30, 2015, 10:27:27 pm
EO7 all the way
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: boland on May 31, 2015, 08:54:27 am
Seems like the E07 is actually quite popular, maybe for a good reason. So I think I'll stick with the E07, Maxi Cross combo that I got it with for now.

What milage can I expect on the E07?

I got allmost 4 000 km on my E07 rear. But I hated it, too big of a compromise offroad for me. No running the Desert Race which is awesome, but it is a bit $$$$
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2015, 08:59:19 am
I have done just over 4000kms since fitting the Mitas E-07 140 on the rear, and it still looks like it is not even close to half-life yet??

4000 kms seems very little?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dirt Junkie on May 31, 2015, 09:08:50 am
E07 only good for gravel and tar roads,  I prefer something more aggressive like the E09
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: StuartC on May 31, 2015, 09:10:37 am
I got less than 3k on my T63 thats why I am trying the EO7, I don't race my DR so grip aint really an issue
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: chopperpilot on May 31, 2015, 03:56:40 pm
I got less than 3k on my T63 thats why I am trying the EO7, I don't race my DR so grip aint really an issue
Stuart is 80, and rides like Miss Daisy!😉


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Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: boland on May 31, 2015, 04:26:12 pm
I have done just over 4000kms since fitting the Mitas E-07 140 on the rear, and it still looks like it is not even close to half-life yet??

4000 kms seems very little?

Thats good. I weigh about 110 kg and I ride the bike like its built to be ridden. Dont know if that's why. I keep the tyre pressure at 1.8 for all riding, never change it.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: yogidabear on June 01, 2015, 10:55:59 pm
Currently have a 2014 690 which I changed over from the 60% used Sahara to Karoo 3 for better handling on dirt. Really miss the Sahara for road handling but have not seen a massive improvement on dirt. Yesterday however in the mud and wet sand the Karoo 3 was like riding a glazed donut.

Am based in CPT and since I last went out in the bush have been to the shops and back on tar. Summer is different as then I will ride to work once or twice a week, and am quite happy to fit my old Saharas for an extended "road" trip. That happens about once a year.

So what dirt biased tires should I fit for at least the duration of winter, as pedaling up a 3m high sand embankment is not fun?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: RiverRunner on June 09, 2015, 08:14:00 am
I have just fitted the Pirelli MT21 Rallycross rear tyre and like it thus far


(http://tpimotorcycleparts.com/dr650/images/tires/TIRES.jpg)


M21's come stock on the US 690's for 2015.  I've got about 800 miles, mostly trails and primitive roads.  I do like the feel off road on dry, rocky trails, but have not been in deep mud.  They feel tight on asphalt too, don't seem to wonder.  If they wear ok, I may get another set.  I've been using Dunlop D606 front and rear on my Husky and the Honda XR650L I sold for the KTM.  That was a pretty good dual sport tire as well - but the rear doesn't come in a 140 size.

Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: yogidabear on June 09, 2015, 08:48:14 am
If you do a price comparison on tyre cost locally in SA the Pirelli MT21 is just stupidly priced. Even called Pirelli dealer in Cape Town to query the cost and they said it was import duty. However motorbike tyres do not have a duty charge in SA, and even if it did, all importers would be subject to the same.

Karoo 3 $102.35 http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/metzeler-karoo-3-tires (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/metzeler-karoo-3-tires)
Pirelli MT21 $104.15 http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pirelli-mt21-rallycross-rear-tires (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pirelli-mt21-rallycross-rear-tires)

 So I wanted to buy the MT21 and believe it is a better tyre than the Karoo 3, however felt it was a rip in SA.

 These are cost effective although I do realise they will not last long http://www.metzeler.com/site/us/products/tyres-catalogue/Me-6daysextrem.html (http://www.metzeler.com/site/us/products/tyres-catalogue/Me-6daysextrem.html)

Has anybody tried on their 690?

Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: witblitz on June 09, 2015, 09:29:55 am
This is what the Mitas (Sava) MC 23 Rockrider 140/80-18 looks like on a 690. I only have done 50km on them so I am unsure how they will hold up. Forget about the pipe on the brake, that was to show someone else.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/b5m2ihq1bsgg148/MC23.jpg?dl=0)
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: KTMjedi on June 09, 2015, 09:37:07 am
This is what the Mitas (Sava) MC 23 Rockrider 140/80-18 looks like on a 690. I only have done 50km on them so I am unsure how they will hold up. Forget about the pipe on the brake, that was to show someone else.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/b5m2ihq1bsgg148/MC23.jpg?dl=0)
This is what a MC-23 looks like after 3800 kms on a SE  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: yogidabear on June 14, 2015, 08:42:56 am
Just bought the Mitas E-09 for myself and a friend riding the CRF-250L. Tried everywhere in CPT to no avail so am waiting for them to get sent from JHB.

They cost R1800 ex shipping for the 140/80 18' so am really hoping it is the Dakar version
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: shonk on June 14, 2015, 06:00:44 pm
Got a mittas eo-7 on the rear cant wait to replace it, feels like you all over the place on dirt road, going back to tkc,
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: HAASDASenek on June 16, 2015, 08:01:31 pm
Ek het n paar getraai maar vir my werk michelin dessert voor en agter , as jy n tyre glo kan jy enige iets aanpak sonder n spaar onderbroek in jou tankbag


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Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: WildWood on June 30, 2015, 09:30:54 pm
Fitted EO9s for my last Orange river trip (2300km) and still looking good. Although I like the MT21's they only just make such a trip and always lose a few knobs at the back. I could do a another trip on this set .

The 140 rear looked to wide and I fitted the 130 which would appear to be the right size for the 690. Does anybody know if the Mitas tires are a bit wider than other brands?
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on July 02, 2015, 08:20:39 am
Can't say for sure but the E09 is a chunky tyre. I fit 130 or 120 on my bike depending on the riding and tyre type
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: yogidabear on July 02, 2015, 08:48:18 am
Am fitting the E09 140 on my 690 today. Just did a quick check for you and the Karoo 3 is just under 140mm and the E09 is just over 150mm

Roughly 15mm larger
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Bensien on July 02, 2015, 10:18:57 am
Regarding the width of the tyres. I have measured quite a few lately and it usually corresponds with the stated width when you measure the tread width between the knobs, using a calliper. The more aggressive the knobs, the more the ones on the edge of the tread will protrude past the sidewall and the bigger the effective width will be.

Something else I found interesting is that there can be a substantial difference in width between an unmounted tyre and a mounted, inflated one. Some tyres seem to shrink while others grow.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: yogidabear on August 03, 2015, 10:36:21 am
Just an update if anybody is interested. Changed the Karoo 3 rear out for the 140 Mitas E09 which fits no problem even though it is chunky.

Tar - I expected the E09 to be noisy and handle worse, however there is almost no difference between them. Just for reference though there was a massive difference between the Sahara OEM fit and the Karoo 3

Dirt, sand, thick sand, mud - hands down the E09 but by a loong shot. Am going to post the Karoo 3 on the forum now for sale as it is never going on my bike again.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on August 26, 2015, 06:58:31 am
I put a Perelli MT21 Rallycross on the back just before my last trip. Changed from an E07 that I got my bike with.

An amazing tyre. Very good grip and performance in all sorts of terrain. It throws rocks up the size of half bricks at the slightest twist of the throttle. It bites into sand, gravel, rocks whatever I put it through.

It is not going to see much more riding though, the knoblies aren't badly worn, but most of them show cracks at the base. I did ride hard, and this is probably just getting to grips with the bike's appetite for rubber.. It did about 2 000 km.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Dwerg on August 26, 2015, 07:03:04 am
I put a Prellii MT21 Rallycross on the back just before my last trip. Changed from an E07 that I got my bike with.

An amazing tyre. Very good grip and performance in all sorts of terrain. It throws rocks up the size of half bricks at the slightest twist of the throttle. It bites into sand, gravel, rocks whatever I put it through.

It is not going to see much more riding though, the knoblies aren't badly worn, but most of them show cracks at the base. I did ride hard, and this is probably just getting to grips with the bike's appetite for rubber.. It did about 2 000 km.

Yeah had one on my 640. Lekker tyre but it lasted 1500kms
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Richard Smit on August 27, 2015, 08:15:54 am
Yep. The MT21 is my tyre of choice on the 690. Great performance.

Hard acceleration on tar, and or rocks will do this when the tyres are still new. Give them about 200 km, and/or 5 heat cycles under gentle riding conditions, and the knobs won't crack like that.
Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on August 28, 2015, 04:40:22 pm
Yep. The MT21 is my tyre of choice on the 690. Great performance.

Hard acceleration on tar, and or rocks will do this when the tyres are still new. Give them about 200 km, and/or 5 heat cycles under gentle riding conditions, and the knobs won't crack like that.

Shot Richard.

How would you describe a good heat cycle?


Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Richard Smit on August 31, 2015, 08:18:22 am
To me, a heat cycle is about warming the tyre up to "normal operating temperature" on a +/- 5 km ride, while avoiding hard acceleration, fast cornering, or hard braking.

Title: Re: 690R Tyre Selection?
Post by: Rooi Wolf on November 30, 2015, 12:14:43 pm
I put a Mitas Sava MT23 Rockrider  on the back and a Perelli MT21 Rallycross on the front about a 1000 km back.

The Rockrider holds on to dirt surface soos kak in 'n wolkombers.

The Perelli front looks very good still after some rough surfaces.

I would like to see how this combo will perform in terms of durability, but performance wise very good so far.