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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => KTM LC4 400/610/640 & 690 => Topic started by: Omninorm on August 18, 2015, 07:40:47 am

Title: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 18, 2015, 07:40:47 am
I'm interested to know, for the people who own one or have owned one previously.
How many of you use(d) it for your daily ride / main form of transportation?
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: SlowMo on August 18, 2015, 07:59:23 am
I used mine as a daily ride (for a short while).

Is the bike good for that? Well,  "how long is a piece of string"? I know this is not part of your question but if I may comment...you will find 10 different views from 10 different riders.

In my view its a pretty good "everyday bike". I commuted on mine (pta-jhb) and also did a couple of long one day rides (+-1000km) and I found it to be surprisingly good under all these circumstances. In fact I had a lot of fun at the same time...

Are there better commuters, tourers (daily rides) out there? Probably. Are there better pure dual bikes with off road emphasis out there? Probably not... :peepwall:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 18, 2015, 11:02:48 am
I'm interested to know, for the people who own one or have owned one previously.
How many of you use(d) it for your daily ride / main form of transportation?

I usually ride on full off-road tyres and I try not to waste them on tar. I only use mine on the odd Friday, sometimes 20kms both ways and sometimes 120 if I have a meeting in JHB. I don't see any reason why you can't use it every day. It's has reasonably good fuel consumption and it's fun to ride, service intervals are 10 000kms (although I do mine about every 5k km). Just be careful, you'll pop wheelies a lot and might get into trouble  :ricky:

The height and turning circle just make it tricky to manoeuvre in slow tight spaces if you have short legs

And as SlowMo said, no other bike on the market bar proper dirt bikes will stick to it in the rough stuff

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on August 18, 2015, 11:23:18 am
Best bike I've owned for getting you around town, hooligan machine of note. Only major problem is like Dwerg says, you want to pop wheelies from every robot  ;D
I wouldn't recommend it for daily commuting for longer distances though, the wind protection isn't too good unless you have a rally fairing fitted.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 18, 2015, 03:37:15 pm
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.



Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dirt Junkie on August 18, 2015, 05:21:37 pm
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.




The 690 will make both BMW's feel boring
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: bomber on August 18, 2015, 05:30:52 pm
I commuted (60km both ways) on my 690 for 4 years. Every single day rain or shine. Was a total blast
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2015, 06:21:46 pm
I commuted (60km both ways) on my 690 for 4 years. Every single day rain or shine. Was a total blast
87 600km, impressive  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 18, 2015, 06:22:34 pm
It depends on the use case.
I had to make the same decision a couple Months back.

In my case, I'm commuting 99% of the time and having owned XR's before, I didn't feel like sitting on the N1 with a big-ass dirtbike  (which is exactly what a 690 is)

So I travel in style on tar, dirt and get a decent exercise in the rough stuff (which is maybe 1% of the time)
But I'm pragmatic..
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: ahlbebuck on August 18, 2015, 06:49:36 pm
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.




The 690 will make both BMW's feel boring

The 690 has 7 kW and 5 Nm torque over the X-Challenge - not enough to make the XC boring.

I will put money on the fact that the XC is much more economical on fuel and that motor will outlast the KTM by many many miles.

I think the XC is the better commuter although my next bike will be the KTM 690....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 18, 2015, 07:57:17 pm
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.




The 690 will make both BMW's feel boring

The 690 has 7 kW and 5 Nm torque over the X-Challenge - not enough to make the XC boring.

I will put money on the fact that the XC is much more economical on fuel and that motor will outlast the KTM by many many miles.

I think the XC is the better commuter although my next bike will be the KTM 690....  :thumleft:

Don't get me wrong , I like the XC but a 690 will MURDER it in all aspects with the outside possibility of reliability
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 18, 2015, 08:07:52 pm
All personal preference.

I used to commute with a Husaberg 550 (which might make a 690 feel like a boring, overweight pig)
As much fun as it was, it felt wrong using it to commute.

Same goes for the 690, albeit in smaller quantities.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 18, 2015, 08:22:10 pm
Ask GJ, he practically lives on his 690.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: trevorwb on August 18, 2015, 08:32:04 pm
I think it also boils down to how you set it up.Mine is geared short and has more Offroad type tyres.I don't enjoy the long tar sections ,but it is not a comfort issue .It sure is lively and quite enjoyable for those around the town trips.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: ahlbebuck on August 18, 2015, 08:33:44 pm
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.




The 690 will make both BMW's feel boring

The 690 has 7 kW and 5 Nm torque over the X-Challenge - not enough to make the XC boring.

I will put money on the fact that the XC is much more economical on fuel and that motor will outlast the KTM by many many miles.

I think the XC is the better commuter although my next bike will be the KTM 690....  :thumleft:

Don't get me wrong , I like the XC but a 690 will MURDER it in all aspects with the outside possibility of reliability

That is good to know - seeing that the 690 is my next toy.  :thumleft:

Not that I have the talent and skills to appreciate the difference! :imaposer:
Title: Re:
Post by: Omninorm on August 18, 2015, 08:34:47 pm
Will be glad to hear his response.
I must say I'm quite the sucker for the big dirt bike feel.
I briefly had a KLX450R and that was awesome in traffic, but it had proper dirt tyres. I'm thinking quite seriously about downgrading to a Thumper mostly to get the weight savings but I still would need to keep up with friends on the longer rides. There is no way in hell I'm paying R25k for some piece of plastic. So if I do go this route.... maybe... eventually... I'll need to be OK with just a screen etc.

From posts you have probably read that I'm not a barn door guy I prefer clean air in my face. But it needs to be off the chest for highway speeds so not to tire yourself out.

I'm not going to lie. The reliability on the KTM is definitely a concern for me,  but I had the same concerns when going from a Suzuki and a Honda to BMW and it has been unfounded till now.
Title: Re:
Post by: Dirt Junkie on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 pm
Will be glad to hear his response.
I must say I'm quite the sucker for the big dirt bike feel.
I briefly had a KLX450R and that was awesome in traffic, but it had proper dirt tyres. I'm thinking quite seriously about downgrading to a Thumper mostly to get the weight savings but I still would need to keep up with friends on the longer rides. There is no way in hell I'm paying R25k for some piece of plastic. So if I do go this route.... maybe... eventually... I'll need to be OK with just a screen etc.

From posts you have probably read that I'm not a barn door guy I prefer clean air in my face. But it needs to be off the chest for highway speeds so not to tire yourself out.

I'm not going to lie. The reliability on the KTM is definitely a concern for me,  but I had the same concerns when going from a Suzuki and a Honda to BMW and it has been unfounded till now.
The little ktm powerparts screen works great for me,  just takes the wind off off your shoulders, help allot. Similar to this one (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/QPOFfD3-yDNSY7PmE3I6PgmekzYWzPWG5XahQ0fY_mD4XRgswmwAaAmH1y-xFh17ljDb5kWMIAV_TfmDeoX2K1_wg0pMJweOFRYYzo1nTjzsvcNkWGgM8UGqzUvbfCOjfovNRe9Tv7YxSndty8E=w443-h332-nc)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on August 18, 2015, 10:21:22 pm
How can you not love this bike?  :drif:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 19, 2015, 06:49:36 am
All personal preference.

I used to commute with a Husaberg 550 (which might make a 690 feel like a boring, overweight pig)
As much fun as it was, it felt wrong using it to commute.

Same goes for the 690, albeit in smaller quantities.

You may be surprised how well the 690 actually goes in the real offroad stuff, GJ's son Rensie gave us a bit of a lesson the other day on his 690. We were all on plastics.
I know that if he was on a plastic he would have been even quicker.

The 690 is far from a boring, overweight pig, in the right hands.
Title: Re:
Post by: Donaldbr on August 19, 2015, 07:20:00 am
Use mine often around town, yes it is naughty, but a lot of fun, always have a smile at your destination.

Just got to watch out for pavements,  It keeps jumping on them, also does not go around traffic circles.

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Title: Re:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 19, 2015, 07:21:29 am
Use mine often around town, yes it is naughty, but a lot of fun, always have a smile at your destination.

Just got to watch out for pavements,  It keeps jumping on them, also does not go around traffic circles.

Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

Ja, pavements, and trailers. :pot:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 07:38:33 am
All personal preference.

I used to commute with a Husaberg 550 (which might make a 690 feel like a boring, overweight pig)
As much fun as it was, it felt wrong using it to commute.

Same goes for the 690, albeit in smaller quantities.

You may be surprised how well the 690 actually goes in the real offroad stuff, GJ's son Rensie gave us a bit of a lesson the other day on his 690. We were all on plastics.
I know that if he was on a plastic he would have been even quicker.

The 690 is far from a boring, overweight pig, in the right hands.
I'm sure.
My point was aimed at perceptions.
The 550 has the same power to weight as the 950se, while weighing less than 110kg..

Imagine commuting with a top fuel dragster; There is a gray zone where ultimate thrill becomes ultimate sacrifice and its up to the individual to determine its boundaries.
So, the answer to the OP is that yes it can be done and its up to him to decide if its something he can live with
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 08:05:37 am
All personal preference.

I used to commute with a Husaberg 550 (which might make a 690 feel like a boring, overweight pig)
As much fun as it was, it felt wrong using it to commute.

Same goes for the 690, albeit in smaller quantities.

You may be surprised how well the 690 actually goes in the real offroad stuff, GJ's son Rensie gave us a bit of a lesson the other day on his 690. We were all on plastics.
I know that if he was on a plastic he would have been even quicker.

The 690 is far from a boring, overweight pig, in the right hands.
I'm sure.
My point was aimed at perceptions.
The 550 has the same power to weight as the 950se, while weighing less than 110kg..

Imagine commuting with a top fuel dragster; There is a gray zone where ultimate thrill becomes ultimate sacrifice and its up to the individual to determine its boundaries.
So, the answer to the OP is that yes it can be done and its up to him to decide if its something he can live with

The 690 is not far off when it comes to power to weight. I would guess something like 0.49 vs 0.51.

Lets go do a ride and swop bikes, I've always wanted to ride a 660Z. That way both of us can actually have a real opinion about the two, not an on paper opinion. I am constantly amazed by the 690. Ride it hard and it's a serious sharp tool, relax and cruise and it's surprisingly comfortable. And of course, it also has fully adjustable suspension unlike most DS bikes so you can set it up to suit your riding


EDIT: How much power does a 550 put out? I read stuff anywhere from 38 (on a dyno) up to 50 (claimed)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 08:28:14 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 08:35:22 am
Not only does it make 55hp,  but it has an unrivalled power band.
Some claim that the 690 doesn't have thumper-like bottom end, the 550 does.

On paper, it has almost the same power /weight as the 950se, but it's a total different experience riding a bike that's lighter than most 450's, with that much power and midrange.
On tar, it power-wheelies all the time while sitting on its tank and its shorter stroke makes it out accelerate the berg 650.
The light weight makes it very twitchy and combining a brutal midrange makes it crazy, but moerse fun.

Thanks for the offer but to be honest, 70k was the max I was willing to spend, and believe or not, I'm 100% content with my Z.
 :thumleft:
I'm afraid that riding your bike will just f*ck with my logic :)

It would be great to do a ride though!
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 08:46:08 am
Not only does it make 55hp,  but it has an unrivalled power band.
Some claim that the 690 doesn't have thumper-like bottom end, the 550 does.

That's crank, not rear wheel. My 690 read 64 on the dyno, with knobblies. Add a rally crank and it will go up to 70+. And I am not sure how many times I have to tell you this but the 690 is not a proper thumper, it likes to rev. That being said, low down power is better than you'd think.

Thanks for the offer but to be honest, 70k was the max I was willing to spend, and believe or not, I'm 100% content with my Z.
 :thumleft:

I am not trying to convince you to buy one, I was merely giving you the opportunity to ride one so that you'd have an informed opinion instead of just sucking things out your arse. But hey, as you were  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 09:21:25 am
Lol, so much nerd rage!
That's crank, not rear wheel.

.. instead of just sucking things out your arse. But hey, as you were  :thumleft:
Barbie calling Ken plastic  :biggrin:

This here, is a dyno chart from JD Jetting. (calibrated dyno)
It shows the 628cc husaberg, which as the exact bore as the 550cc but 12mm longer stroke, which means that the higher revving 550, is very close in terms of max hp.
(http://m5.i.pbase.com/g6/20/347520/2/81025165.E50lxM8Y.jpg)

Not crank, rear wheel.
(http://m6.i.pbase.com/g6/20/347520/2/81024346.J8aMd9f0.jpg)

And I am not sure how many times I have to tell you this but the 690 is not a proper thumper, it likes to rev.
You don't have to tell us that, we already know that, which is why we always refer to its "lack" of bottom end (at least those that's ridden it)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dirt Junkie on August 19, 2015, 09:27:27 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Weight >:(
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 09:33:01 am
To be blunt, there's a reason for it being discontinued.
Is it the best commuter? No
Is it the fastest? No
Is it the best in technical? No
Is it the best at cruising dirt roads? No
Is it the best at long distance? No
Questionable reliability? Yes

It's good at everything, but for some people, good isn't good enough.
I'd rather have something like a Z for long distance and commuting, a superbike for exhilaration, and a 450 for technical.

So like I said, it's up to the OP to decide if he's prepared to compromise everywhere.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 10:07:26 am
Barbie calling Ken plastic  :biggrin:

I was asking. Not giving strong opinions about a bike I've never ridden, plus offering you a ride on mine so you could form a real opinion on it, good or bad. But, be an arse when someone is being generous, I think that's chapter one in "How to make friends"
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Regis Laconi on August 19, 2015, 10:10:30 am
I use my 2015 690 as a daily commute from Paarl to Worcestor.  It's about a 160 km commute daily.  Weekends I mess around Blouberg and once a month I do a Cederberg trip.  I'm very happy with the bike.  You can't do 140 km/h all day long, it will kill you, but the bike does sit happy at 115 - 125 km/h.  Fuel consumption is around 22.6 km/l.  The seat does kill your arse in the beginning, but after a while you get use to it.  I've got the KTM wind shield on mine and It works fine.  I think it's a very good all round bike.  I'll give it a solid 8 out of 10.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 10:16:32 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Weight >:(

Exactly.
I want to shed weight.

How can you not love this bike?  :drif:
A beaut indeed.

I am not a speed freak. My F800gs is PLENTY fast for me. In fact if I can get something slower it will actually save me money  :(
110-130km/h cruising is perfectly fine. My mates can buy me a drinkso long when they get there 15 minutes before me.

So in the garage we have the F800GS, the 650 XCountry and my KTm 250 XCW 2 stroke.
I ride the technical and sand on my 250 now use to be on a Yamaha 250f, but then you cannot ride to destinations, you have to trailer it.
Then I briefly had a on the road KLX450R but this to me was too heavy for technical / sand bits and my skill level, and not good enough for long distance to where it excelled / gravel 1 spoor . 2 spoor etc.

And this is the whole thing. If i'm going to the quarry or juts dirt riding on my doorstep i'll take the 250 for an hour or 2 and i'm as happy as a pig in mud or if we goign to Funduro's etc we can trailer it there.

The 450 /530 for commuting and long distance makes no sense for me anymore. I thought I could make it work with the KLX450 and it was to me a failure. Oil change every 3000km,s, valve checks about the same amount, not good at all on highway, and not better for me at least than any of my 250's in the rough/sandy stuff. In any case any flicker kits etc wont last.  :-\

I ride to work every day and long distances now and then with the F800GS. Use to pillion with luggage but now that is no longer an issue since my wife has her own bike. These rides are usually 1000km's or so but usually not highway. Some highway to get to scenic passes etc, then get to some dirt highways etc. My trips consist more of the likes of Tankwa or Oasis or to Ladismith, die Hell etc,
I often ride past places I'd like to go and explore but don't due to fear of the F800gs being too heavy to go in there on my own. Plus seeing as it's my daily I don't really want to abuse it in places where it might get damaged easier than a Xchallenge / 690 etc.

I would have even considered the Husqvarna 630 but it weighs 35KG's to 40KG's more than an BMW XChallenge or KTM 690.
The other thing that comes into play here, and thats where a lot of you hardaasses will roll your eyes   ::) - but I want switchable ABS.
Commuting in the the rain, this to me...from experience of 2 seriously close calls, not really an option to leave out of the equation.
That means a 2014 KTM 690 or a XChallenge.
There are no other bikes that I know of and weighs less than 160KG's and has a 21" front as well as switchable ABS.

The other option of course is to sit tight till end January and look at what the Husqvarna 701 Adventure / Enduro will cost. The SuperMoto is of course a KTM 690 with a few different bits.  It may mean pre owned 2014/2015 690's at better prices.
The other option is to just get a pimped XChallenge.

The KTM 690 is more exciting but the Xchallenge is probably the better all round bike.

The 690 has without a doubt the better after-market farkle options
but with KTM I have to deal with KTM CT. I can purchase parts etc at RAD but Services if still in warranty then it's KTM CT or...?
The KTM has the rocker arm/bearing issues thats reported a lot. Has this been sorted in 2014 and up models that you know of?

The BMW has the clutch cover / Throwout rod issue issue thats reported a lot.
Not a lot of aftermarket farkle but has BMW support. I don't know how many have used BMW but the backup is pretty damn good. Not once so far have I been disappointed with them.
Xchallenge had a limited run and does not get made anymore but has that Rotax 650 single thats pretty good and everywhere.

Xchallenge R60K and under - this includes ABS and to get that dreadful Air shock replaced.
690 R90K up currently for 2014 and up, but that means a newer biek with less miliage. no shock work really still getting produced.
So can go Xchallenge maybe in October / November if I decide to or go KTM 690 sometime next year but start saving up in October if all goes according to plan.

Option 3. Keep my F800GS thats been very good no issues, comfy etc. The only issue really is weight.
This all came into being since we bought my wife a bike (Xcountry) and I no longer have to pillion us on trips. It now feels a bit of a waste to have the F800GS.

The question of if I want to deal with a Thumper / naked open dirtbike like feel on the road is a very valid one.
Vibrations and the dirtbike feel.
I love it.
Rode my wifes BMW Xcountry a few times now and I really love that little bike. The only place is on the highway where she needs a screen as at 120 the wind starts making you a sail. But w.r.t the motor and the power. No issues.
I've ridden 690's, Xchallenges, 450's etc and really don't mind Thumpers at all.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 10:17:11 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Weight >:(

My one weighs 175kg dry and makes 100hp and 95nm Torque that is a power to weight ratio of 0.57 hp/kg and is surprising light once rolling.
The 690 is only 0.47 hp/kg.
Title: Re:
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 10:21:59 am
The little ktm powerparts screen works great for me,  just takes the wind off off your shoulders, help allot. Similar to this one

That sounds perfect actually.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: MiniDan on August 19, 2015, 10:22:22 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Weight >:(

My one weighs 175kg dry and makes 100hp and 95nm Torque that is a power to weight ratio of 0.57 hp/kg and is surprising light once rolling.
The 690 is only 0.47 hp/kg.

It is not how much power you have, it is what you do with it that matters...
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 10:22:59 am
Get a 950 SE and tick all your boxes one shot.
Weight >:(

Exactly.
I want to shed weight.

How can you not love this bike?  :drif:
A beaut indeed.

I am not a speed freak. My F800gs is PLENTY fast for me. In fact if I can get something slower it will actually save me money  :(
110-130km/h cruising is perfectly fine. My mates can buy me a drinkso long when they get there 15 minutes before me.

So in the garage we have the F800GS, the 650 XCountry and my KTm 250 XCW 2 stroke.
I ride the technical and sand on my 250 now use to be on a Yamaha 250f, but then you cannot ride to destinations, you have to trailer it.
Then I briefly had a on the road KLX450R but this to me was too heavy for technical / sand bits and my skill level, and not good enough for long distance to where it excelled / gravel 1 spoor . 2 spoor etc.

And this is the whole thing. If i'm going to the quarry or juts dirt riding on my doorstep i'll take the 250 for an hour or 2 and i'm as happy as a pig in mud or if we goign to Funduro's etc we can trailer it there.

The 450 /530 for commuting and long distance makes no sense for me anymore. I thought I could make it work with the KLX450 and it was to me a failure. Oil change every 3000km,s, valve checks about the same amount, not good at all on highway, and not better for me at least than any of my 250's in the rough/sandy stuff. In any case any flicker kits etc wont last.  :-\

I ride to work every day and long distances now and then with the F800GS. Use to pillion with luggage but now that is no longer an issue since my wife has her own bike. These rides are usually 1000km's or so but usually not highway. Some highway to get to scenic passes etc, then get to some dirt highways etc. My trips consist more of the likes of Tankwa or Oasis or to Ladismith, die Hell etc,
I often ride past places I'd like to go and explore but don't due to fear of the F800gs being too heavy to go in there on my own. Plus seeing as it's my daily I don't really want to abuse it in places where it might get damaged easier than a Xchallenge / 690 etc.

I would have even considered the Husqvarna 630 but it weighs 35KG's to 40KG's more than an BMW XChallenge or KTM 690.
The other thing that comes into play here, and thats where a lot of you hardaasses will roll your eyes   ::) - but I want switchable ABS.
Commuting in the the rain, this to me...from experience of 2 seriously close calls, not really an option to leave out of the equation.
That means a 2014 KTM 690 or a XChallenge.
There are no other bikes that I know of and weighs less than 160KG's and has a 21" front as well as switchable ABS.

The other option of course is to sit tight till end January and look at what the Husqvarna 701 Adventure / Enduro will cost. The SuperMoto is of course a KTM 690 with a few different bits.  It may mean pre owned 2014/2015 690's at better prices.
The other option is to just get a pimped XChallenge.

The KTM 690 is more exciting but the Xchallenge is probably the better all round bike.

The 690 has without a doubt the better after-market farkle options
but with KTM I have to deal with KTM CT. I can purchase parts etc at RAD but Services if still in warranty then it's KTM CT or...?
The KTM has the rocker arm/bearing issues thats reported a lot. Has this been sorted in 2014 and up models that you know of?

The BMW has the clutch cover / Throwout rod issue issue thats reported a lot.
Not a lot of aftermarket farkle but has BMW support. I don't know how many have used BMW but the backup is pretty damn good. Not once so far have I been disappointed with them.
Xchallenge had a limited run and does not get made anymore but has that Rotax 650 single thats pretty good and everywhere.

Xchallenge R60K and under - this includes ABS and to get that dreadful Air shock replaced.
690 R90K up currently for 2014 and up, but that means a newer biek with less miliage. no shock work really still getting produced.
So can go Xchallenge maybe in October / November if I decide to or go KTM 690 sometime next year but start saving up in October if all goes according to plan.

Option 3. Keep my F800GS thats been very good no issues, comfy etc. The only issue really is weight.
This all came into being since we bought my wife a bike (Xcountry) and I no longer have to pillion us on trips. It now feels a bit of a waste to have the F800GS.

The question of if I want to deal with a Thumper / naked open dirtbike like feel on the road is a very valid one.
Vibrations and the dirtbike feel.
I love it.
Rode my wifes BMW Xcountry a few times now and I really love that little bike. The only place is on the highway where she needs a screen as at 120 the wind starts making you a sail. But w.r.t the motor and the power. No issues.
I've ridden 690's, Xchallenges, 450's etc and really don't mind Thumpers at all.

The X Challenge and the 630 weight exactly the same at 156 kg; hardly 35kg or 40kg more.
The 610 and the 690 are both 139 kg
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 10:25:27 am
Barbie calling Ken plastic  :biggrin:

I was asking. Not giving strong opinions about a bike I've never ridden, plus offering you a ride on mine so you could form a real opinion on it, good or bad. But, be an arse when someone is being generous, I think that's chapter one in "How to make friends"
Relax with your insults and start using question marks at the end of your statements.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 10:27:17 am
Barbie calling Ken plastic  :biggrin:
I was asking.
That's crank, not rear wheel.
Ending statements with question marks is a good starting point, don't you think?

But, be an arse when someone is being generous, I think that's chapter one in "How to make friends"
Hmmm that Barbie/Ken analogy is rearing its head again.

You were being generous? Sorry I must have missed that part......

But let's not spoil the thread more than we already have. If this was posted in the 690 section I would've cleaned it up myself
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 10:31:21 am

The X Challenge and the 630 weight exactly the same at 156 kg.
The 610 and the 690 are both 139 kg

I find the following:

Xchallenge with ABS
Dry Weight
144 kg / 317 lbs.

Wet Weight   
156 kg / 344 lbs.

2014 KTM 690 (remember ABS)
Dry Weight 139kg's

2013 Husqvarna 630 Terra with ABS
Weights I find 186kg wet.  http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/ (http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/)


610 does not come with ABS



Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 10:38:35 am
Barbie calling Ken plastic  :biggrin:
I was asking.
That's crank, not rear wheel.
Ending statements with question marks is a good starting point, don't you think?

But, be an arse when someone is being generous, I think that's chapter one in "How to make friends"
Hmmm that Barbie/Ken analogy is rearing its head again.

You were being generous? Sorry I must have missed that part......

But let's not spoil the thread more than we already have. If this was posted in the 690 section I would've cleaned it up myself

I dont mind, I found those stats interesting. it also helps to know what fellow posters have and have not ridden. ;)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 10:40:43 am

The X Challenge and the 630 weight exactly the same at 156 kg.
The 610 and the 690 are both 139 kg

I find the following:

Xchallenge with ABS
Dry Weight
144 kg / 317 lbs.

Wet Weight   
156 kg / 344 lbs.

2014 KTM 690 (remember ABS)
Dry Weight 139kg's

2013 Husqvarna 630 Terra with ABS
Weights I find 186kg wet.  http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/ (http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/)


610 does not come with ABS





You right I made a mistake and took the wet weight of Xchallenge, but also took dry weight of 630 SM instead of 630 TE which has a dry weight of 149kg which is only 5kgs more than the Xchallenge and definitely not 35 -40kgs more.

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/husqvarna_te630_2012.php (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/husqvarna_te630_2012.php)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 10:41:20 am
2013 Husqvarna 630 Terra with ABS
Weights I find 186kg wet.  http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/ (http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/)

Groot verskil tussen 'n Terra en 'n TE. Terra val meer in 'n Yammie 660R se klas
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 10:43:00 am
2013 Husqvarna 630 Terra with ABS
Weights I find 186kg wet.  http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/ (http://adventure-motorcyclingh.com/2012/11/18/husqvarna-tr650-terra-quick-spin/)

Groot verskil tussen 'n Terra en 'n TE. Terra val meer in 'n Yammie 660R se klas

Completely different bikes, the one is an Italian Husky and the other is a BMW 650GS
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 10:44:41 am
I see - was not aware of that, thanks.
It's out anyway as TE does not come with ABS. :(
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 10:52:58 am
I dont mind, I found those stats interesting. it also helps to know what fellow posters have and have not ridden. ;)
Unfortunately, someone else's idea of whats acceptable or not, will not necessarily account for you.
But, I've commuted with a Dakar 650, Xr400, Xr628, Husaberg 550, VTR1000, Royal Enfield and XTZ

Dakar and XTZ obviously wins hands down as commuters, and experience with the likes of the light XR400, powerful VTR and insane 550 told me to use horses for courses.
The novelty of commuting with a VTR and 550 eventually wore off and I started noticing the rate at which I needed to replace rear tires and chains.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 19, 2015, 10:56:55 am
I dont mind, I found those stats interesting. it also helps to know what fellow posters have and have not ridden. ;)
Unfortunately, someone else's idea of whats acceptable or not, will not necessarily account for you.
But, I've commuted with a Dakar 650, Xr400, Xr628, Husaberg 550, VTR1000, Royal Enfield and XTZ

Dakar and XTZ obviously wins hands down as commuters, and experience with the likes of the light XR400, powerful VTR and insane 550 told me to use horse for courses.
The novelty of commuting with a VTR and 550 eventually wore off and I started noticing the rate at which I needed to replace rear tires and chains.

That is why I am now considering a Versys 650; at R65K brand new (2014) you can hardly go wrong for commuting. It is capable of riding up pavements, wheeling over speed bumps and taking a short cut across a park.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 11:01:46 am
That is why I am now considering a Versys 650; at R65K brand new (2014) you can hardly go wrong for commuting. It is capable of riding up pavements, wheeling over speed bumps and taking a short cut across a park.
:thumleft:

Nothing like urban terror on a nondescript/mundane bike.
Like my one buddy, going through a traffic circle on his B120, planting that slipper on the tar, MX style  :imaposer:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 11:15:42 am
Versys is a great bike but OP said he wants one do it all bike. That a Versys is most certainly not. Maybe I am just used to dirt bikes but I'd easily commute on my 230 if it was my only transport. Anything is a dildo if you are brave enough :imaposer:

Omninorm, if you happen to come to gauteng, you are welcome to a spin on my bike
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Grrrr.... on August 19, 2015, 11:22:17 am
I have never ridden a 690 but if it is anything like my old 650L it would make a very lekker commuter.

I have only recently realised how stupid I was to sell my old plaasbike.... Don't get me wrong, I love the 990, especially on trips but those are few and far between.

I wish I didn't have tunnel vision and kept the 650 to use as a commuter and weekend plaything. The 990 is bef#k but waaaay overkill in traffic.

Like I said, never ridden a 690 (...thanks to KTMCPT...) but can imagine it will make a sweet commuter and weekend plaything.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Ganjora on August 19, 2015, 11:30:28 am
I have never ridden a 690 but if it is anything like my old 650L it would make a very lekker commuter.

they are similar in that they both have 2 wheels,  and are powered by an internal combustion engine.
that's where the similarity ends.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Grrrr.... on August 19, 2015, 11:35:30 am
I have never ridden a 690 but if it is anything like my old 650L it would make a very lekker commuter.

they are similar in that they both have 2 wheels,  and are powered by an internal combustion engine.
that's where the similarity ends.

I meant size and manoeuvrability for commuting.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Ganjora on August 19, 2015, 11:42:32 am
I meant size and manoeuvrability for commuting.

aha.
i commuted on a few occasions on my 690.
40km round trip.
absolutely the best commuter i had compared to: KLR & DR.
lighter,  more maneuverable & much more power.
i would imagine it would make a sublime commuter,  but would become costly on rear tyres.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: boland on August 19, 2015, 12:06:01 pm
To be blunt, there's a reason for it being discontinued.
Is it the best commuter? No
Is it the fastest? No
Is it the best in technical? No
Is it the best at cruising dirt roads? No
Is it the best at long distance? No
Questionable reliability? Yes

It's good at everything, but for some people, good isn't good enough.
I'd rather have something like a Z for long distance and commuting, a superbike for exhilaration, and a 450 for technical.

So like I said, it's up to the OP to decide if he's prepared to compromise everywhere.

The problem is not everyone can afford 5 bikes so most of us common folk need to compromise.

If you can only afford 1 bike the 690 is not a bad choice, because allthough you do compromise it is only a little bit. My 690 is far more comfortable than my previous DR on tar, so in my book its a good tar bike!!

Mine has 42 000 km and going strong, so here's hoping. People talk a lot about reliability, but ja, most of it based on perceptions
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 12:41:52 pm
The problem is not everyone can afford 5 bikes so most of us common folk need to compromise.

If you can only afford 1 bike the 690 is not a bad choice, because allthough you do compromise it is only a little bit. My 690 is far more comfortable than my previous DR on tar, so in my book its a good tar bike!!

Mine has 42 000 km and going strong, so here's hoping. People talk a lot about reliability, but ja, most of it based on perceptions
I hear you.
Just remember that the 690 is not exactly cheap either.

For the same price, you can buy an XR650R and CRF450..
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Regis Laconi on August 19, 2015, 12:44:21 pm
I upgraded from a 2013 Honda XR 650L to the 2015 KTM 690R.  The KTM is by far the better bike, in all aspects.  But I still miss the simplicity of the XR.  I just hope the KTM can give me the same service as the XR, so far so good.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 19, 2015, 01:11:23 pm
I appreciate all the comments so far. it is helping me making potentially let go of the F800 easier.

I had a Vstrom 650 (new shape) Great underrated bike similar to the Versys (it also helps that the new Versys is easier on the eyes than the old one and the price is unbeatable). But no...I need more rugged and capable than that for sure.

WolfSkaap, you make a very valid point in saying that people's level of acceptability differs.
Comfort levels to me is almost a non issue as i get comfortable quickly. Took me a week to come to love my F800's seat and that thing is not that great. The other day I tried a comfort seat and hated it. Wind. I went with a smaller screen so i can have clean air rather than a tall barn door i also feel my wifes Xcountry is very comfortable up till 115kmh, then we will need to add a small screen to get the wind of the chest.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f114/slapdash777/Bike/_20150724_174158_zpsj0hhnuwm.jpg) light, manauvrable Thumper. Really nice.
So in giving that the XChallenge is definitly not out of the running esp at the prices they go for. Lots of good bike for the money.
The KTM is just definitly the more exciting one.

I'm just trying to also establish the reliability on the 690 engine / drivetrain.
I'd rather ride a less interesting bike than push a exciting one.
I'm also well aware that tiny issues gets blown out of proportion on the Internet.

Do you guys know of the rocker arm bearing failures?
Anyone here have had to re do the engine yet
What are your average KM's on your 690'?


Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 19, 2015, 01:35:14 pm
Bazinga had to do the motor on his 690. Big end bearing failure. He bought the bike second hand and it had a knock with 2000kms on the clock. Suspected abuse by previous owner or just a Monday bike, who knows. The airbox problems are actually caused by over tightning of the airbox cover bolts which shears the lower airbox housing which causes it to not seal properly. I've heard of rocker failures but they are not very common and are relatively cheap to fix. I've now had to do shims which is not ideal for the mileage (12000km). I plan on doing a complete rebuild on mine in the next few years. Keep in mind that mine gets....... well let's call it 'used for it's intended purpose'. I see no reason why it shouldn't last a long time if you look after it
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dirt Junkie on August 19, 2015, 01:35:27 pm
checkout this RR sure it will give you an idea of reliability
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/rtw-with-noah-on-a-ktm-690.781893/ (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/rtw-with-noah-on-a-ktm-690.781893/)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 19, 2015, 03:31:51 pm
Also: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=175152.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=175152.0)
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv339/Alfred800/KTM%20690/IMG_1510_zpsrqjthqrn.jpg)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Aprilian on August 19, 2015, 05:47:15 pm
Rocker arms went on my 2009 KTM 690 with 6500kms on. Prob I had commuting with 690 was that I had nowhere to store gloves, jacket etc on the bike- even XC was better with rack and topbox. Managed over 30000ks on my X-Challenge with no mechanical problems.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 20, 2015, 09:40:42 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:
(http://ktmcapetown.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/image3.jpg)
http://ktmcapetown.co.za/2015/08/19/2011-690-enduro-rr/ (http://ktmcapetown.co.za/2015/08/19/2011-690-enduro-rr/)

20 000KM
R115 000

I know that you were asking about a normal 690 but the reason for me posting this is that its wind protection and added weight will make this just as good at commuting as anything, but, its got power and suspension of note.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 20, 2015, 09:46:30 am
Begs the question: how many other bikes can you buy with that amount of money.

For those with deep pockets, it's a no-brainer.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 20, 2015, 09:58:12 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:

That looks like a normal 690R with kit. Not a proper factory RR
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 20, 2015, 10:03:34 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:

That looks like a normal 690R with kit. Not a proper factory RR
Yes, following the link: 2011 KTM 690 Enduro Rally Replica

Will probably be a better idea to buy a new 690 and convert it, but who knows how much THAT would cost?
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: cocky on August 20, 2015, 10:06:26 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:

That looks like a normal 690R with kit. Not a proper factory RR
I know the bike well, he used it to commute and do trips with, bought 1190R
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: wolf skaap on August 20, 2015, 10:08:17 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:

That looks like a normal 690R with kit. Not a proper factory RR
I know the bike well, he used it to commute and do trips with, bought 1190R
At the risk of derailing this thread, why 1190?
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: cocky on August 20, 2015, 10:13:14 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:

That looks like a normal 690R with kit. Not a proper factory RR
I know the bike well, he used it to commute and do trips with, bought 1190R
At the risk of derailing this thread, why 1190?
Takes his Mrs with him now and he reckons he is getting old and his ass can't take it anymore :imaposer:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 20, 2015, 03:31:09 pm
Holy crap thats nice!!

@Aprilian, did you say you did 30 000km problem free with the XChallenge or 30 000km after the 9600km rocker arm failure.

The last few post has me a little bit concerned.
I am looking on the interwebs and it seems KTM repalced bearings in middle 2010.

Xchallenges seems to have more reliability and more bottom end grunt funny enough. it's unclear on most reports if they are comparing to the 650cc, 690,  or the  ....690cc er.....690.

The 690 trashes the XC  in the suspension department though as well as having on average about 10KG's less weight.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 20, 2015, 03:48:10 pm
That would be the 650cc. The post 2012 has 20-25% more power than an X. I personally wouldn't buy a 690 in the X price bracket
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Aprilian on August 20, 2015, 10:31:39 pm
[@Aprilian, did you say you did 30 000km problem free with the XChallenge or 30 000km after the 9600km rocker arm failure
[/quote]

Rocker arms went on my 2009 KTM 690 with 6500kms on. Prob I had commuting with 690 was that I had nowhere to store gloves, jacket etc on the bike- even XC was better with rack and topbox. Managed over 30000ks on my X-Challenge with no mechanical problems.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2015, 06:42:25 am
I've ridden a 2009 and a 2012 and the 2012 had more 50/50 tyres on and was less "fidgety" than the 2009. But I also put that down mostly to the tyres.

Sideways wind and that type of thing on the bike since it's so light?

What I actually am trying to figure out -which one makes the better all round bike.
KTM 690 or BMW 650 Xchallenge with some suspension work done. (I'm looking also from a price difference perspective - I know the KTM is a better performance bike with better suspension and the like.)
Commuting, the odd long distance trips, lots of short trips (+-300km round trip)

I know the long distance will make me wish for my current 800GS though.




The 690 will make both BMW's feel boring

The 690 has 7 kW and 5 Nm torque over the X-Challenge - not enough to make the XC boring.

I will put money on the fact that the XC is much more economical on fuel and that motor will outlast the KTM by many many miles.

I think the XC is the better commuter although my next bike will be the KTM 690....  :thumleft:

I'm not so sure about outlast. My X-Challenge let me down twice in five rides. Fuel pump plug and stripped water pump gears.....< 12000km. Sold it because I no longer trusted it.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 09:45:58 am
[@Aprilian, did you say you did 30 000km problem free with the XChallenge or 30 000km after the 9600km rocker arm failure

Quote
Rocker arms went on my 2009 KTM 690 with 6500kms on. Prob I had commuting with 690 was that I had nowhere to store gloves, jacket etc on the bike- even XC was better with rack and topbox. Managed over 30000ks on my X-Challenge with no mechanical problems.

Thanks.
I hardly ride with any top box etc now. If I must it's a tank bag but I hear what you are saying. Some sort of "semi secure" storage is needed now and then. I've seen a bunch of racks and boxes for the 690 and XC though. Even though they are not functional for hardcore stuff I think a plastic square Pelican case or semi or a box like the Givi to use when you know you need to carry something will do in a pinch.
For traveling further. yeah... Giant loops and those things are fantastic but you can never really leave the bike untended.

@dwerg. Yeah if i go for the 690 over the XC I will definitly be looking at more moolah and buy 2014+ model. I wont be looking pre 2014's at all.

And thats part of the question really. In what ways do you guys reckon a 2014 690 is superior to the XC that is worth the entry cost of say R50K price difference.
One can literally buy 2 XChallenges for the price of one 2014+ 690 at current prices on Gumtree etc.
I mean this as a serious question and I can think of two.

Suspension: On the XChallenge I'll have to re spring the front and definitely replace the rear shock with an Ohlins or something similar. Thats probably R10K-R15K right there.

Weight: The 690 has +- 10kg's over the XC

What about mileage?
If I'm not mistaken, stock,  the 690 has a 12l fuel tank and the Xchallenge a 8l fuel tank.
I know one can get additional tanks and stuff but I'm interested in stock range.
Is 25km/l too much to ask from a 690? I think the XChallenge gives that minimum.

In and around Cape Town, are there any indies you suggest work on a KTM 690? Here I have found BMW to be excellent believe it or not. they are cheaper and more efficient than my Honda or my Suzuki on services and maintenance.  The dealings so far with KTM other than purchasing oils and parts have been less than stellar to say the least. I hear good things about RAD in JHB and have spoken to them before. So I'll probably purchase a pre owned from there or something but I will then still need to service till warranty runs out, unless I only buy in 2016 and buy a 2014 model.

How easy are the 690 to work on yourself compared to the XC if you guys know?
Oil changes and valve checks for instance.

The other thing in the back of my mind is the Husqvarna 701 .... it may be cheaper new and virtually the same thing and the dealerships may be better. The problem with that will be cost as I will have to buy new.

Sorry about all the questions.




Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 09:46:29 am
Came across this Rally bike on KTM CTN's site:
(http://ktmcapetown.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/image3.jpg)
http://ktmcapetown.co.za/2015/08/19/2011-690-enduro-rr/ (http://ktmcapetown.co.za/2015/08/19/2011-690-enduro-rr/)

20 000KM
R115 000

I know that you were asking about a normal 690 but the reason for me posting this is that its wind protection and added weight will make this just as good at commuting as anything, but, its got power and suspension of note.

BTW. Thanks for haunting my dreams with that pic.    :drif:   :-\
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 21, 2015, 09:58:49 am
[@Aprilian, did you say you did 30 000km problem free with the XChallenge or 30 000km after the 9600km rocker arm failure

Quote
Rocker arms went on my 2009 KTM 690 with 6500kms on. Prob I had commuting with 690 was that I had nowhere to store gloves, jacket etc on the bike- even XC was better with rack and topbox. Managed over 30000ks on my X-Challenge with no mechanical problems.


The other thing in the back of my mind is the Husqvarna 701 .... it may be cheaper new and virtually the same thing and the dealerships may be better. The problem with that will be cost as I will have to buy new.




As far as I am aware the Husqvarna 701 is a motard.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 10:08:41 am
[@Aprilian, did you say you did 30 000km problem free with the XChallenge or 30 000km after the 9600km rocker arm failure

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Rocker arms went on my 2009 KTM 690 with 6500kms on. Prob I had commuting with 690 was that I had nowhere to store gloves, jacket etc on the bike- even XC was better with rack and topbox. Managed over 30000ks on my X-Challenge with no mechanical problems.


The other thing in the back of my mind is the Husqvarna 701 .... it may be cheaper new and virtually the same thing and the dealerships may be better. The problem with that will be cost as I will have to buy new.




As far as I am aware the Husqvarna 701 is a motard.

The 701 Enduro is also been spotted in testing with it. I'll try dig up the pics.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 10:10:49 am
Mottard main, Enduro top right.
(http://i0.wp.com/www.therideadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/husqvarna-701-spy-shots.jpg)


Motard in front with Enduro in the background

(http://i1.wp.com/dreamcdn.therideadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Husqvarna-701-Spy-Shot-003.jpg)

From the other side.
(http://dreamcdn.therideadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Husqvarna-701-Spy-Shot-002.jpg)

In either case it just looks like different wheels for the most part. Will probably have different gearing / suspension rates.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 21, 2015, 10:59:15 am
And thats part of the question really. In what ways do you guys reckon a 2014 690 is superior to the XC that is worth the entry cost of say R50K price difference.
One can literally buy 2 XChallenges for the price of one 2014+ 690 at current prices on Gumtree etc.
I mean this as a serious question and I can think of two.

Suspension: On the XChallenge I'll have to re spring the front and definitely replace the rear shock with an Ohlins or something similar. Thats probably R10K-R15K right there.

What about mileage?
If I'm not mistaken, stock,  the 690 has a 12l fuel tank and the Xchallenge a 8l fuel tank.
I know one can get additional tanks and stuff but I'm interested in stock range.
Is 25km/l too much to ask from a 690? I think the XChallenge gives that minimum.

I think it's a little unfair to compare a X to a 2014/5 690. The X is getting long in the tooth now and the 690 was a better off-road bike to start off with, and with the upgrades to date it is now in a completely different league. The forks on the 2014 690 is not as good as on some of the older models but you won't get the X on the same level without replacing the forks and shock completely which could get costly. And don't forget the almost 25% more power  >:D

Seeing that you ride an 800, have a look at this to give you an idea just how quick a 690 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abnA1qdE7ho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abnA1qdE7ho)

Depends on how you ride of course. If you don't fancy pushing the limits and you're just looking for a lighter ADV ride, the X is still a good affordable option.

I average about 18km/l on the 690. I am sure you can get that down by riding a little more subdued but that's not easy to do on a 690. My range is about 200kms on the stock tank, 400+ with the auxiliary tanks. The X is by far a more sensible choice. I now have probably something like 2000kms on my rear tyre. It still has about 5mm thread but the knobs are torn, some have chucks out and some have holes bigger than my thumb print melted into them, my chain and sprockets probably won't make it to 20k. But sensible isn't fun is it?  ;D

Is there any reason why you are not also considering a DR or XR? Both great budget bikes
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 21, 2015, 11:04:31 am
This looks like a great buy http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=178250.0;topicseen (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=178250.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Xpat on August 21, 2015, 11:06:48 am
That Husky enduro is a good news, as RAD guys confirmed that 690R production stops at the end of this year, so it will at least continue in another disguise.

Whether it will be cheaper though, is big question. So far it seems like they positioned Husky as more premium than KTM in offroad (I think - I didn't check the numbers).

I'm looking hard at 690 now (what started as a XT660R quest) and losing quickly a will to resist. Even if that Husky comes up, I will need rally kit and I'm not sure the current available ones will fit (hopefully yes). And I'm not sure I would want to buy first production batch - even though it should be practically 690R, but you never know.

The other consideration for me is the possible adventure version of 690 as speculated here (it would save me mods I want to do for long adventure riding, like rally kit and subframe mods):

(http://bikeadvice.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/KTM-690-Enduro-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 12:43:36 pm
And thats part of the question really. In what ways do you guys reckon a 2014 690 is superior to the XC that is worth the entry cost of say R50K price difference.
One can literally buy 2 XChallenges for the price of one 2014+ 690 at current prices on Gumtree etc.
I mean this as a serious question and I can think of two.

Suspension: On the XChallenge I'll have to re spring the front and definitely replace the rear shock with an Ohlins or something similar. Thats probably R10K-R15K right there.

What about mileage?
If I'm not mistaken, stock,  the 690 has a 12l fuel tank and the Xchallenge a 8l fuel tank.
I know one can get additional tanks and stuff but I'm interested in stock range.
Is 25km/l too much to ask from a 690? I think the XChallenge gives that minimum.

I think it's a little unfair to compare a X to a 2014/5 690. The X is getting long in the tooth now and the 690 was a better off-road bike to start off with, and with the upgrades to date it is now in a completely different league. The forks on the 2014 690 is not as good as on some of the older models but you won't get the X on the same level without replacing the forks and shock completely which could get costly. And don't forget the almost 25% more power  >:D

Seeing that you ride an 800, have a look at this to give you an idea just how quick a 690 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abnA1qdE7ho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abnA1qdE7ho)

Depends on how you ride of course. If you don't fancy pushing the limits and you're just looking for a lighter ADV ride, the X is still a good affordable option.

I average about 18km/l on the 690. I am sure you can get that down by riding a little more subdued but that's not easy to do on a 690. My range is about 200kms on the stock tank, 400+ with the auxiliary tanks. The X is by far a more sensible choice. I now have probably something like 2000kms on my rear tyre. It still has about 5mm thread but the knobs are torn, some have chucks out and some have holes bigger than my thumb print melted into them, my chain and sprockets probably won't make it to 20k. But sensible isn't fun is it?  ;D

Is there any reason why you are not also considering a DR or XR? Both great budget bikes

Oh yes it definitely has a lot of power, that video...I dont know.  The BMW rider looks like a noob.  I'm a noob, but thats a real wet noob.
in a straight line the F800GS will out accelerate the 690 esp if one keeps going to 200km/h.  A BMW F800's 0-100kmh is 3.2-3.4 seconds if you look at reviews etc and the KTm 690 Enduro is 4.2-4.6 seconds. Nevermind top speed.  I've ridden 2 690's and they are very fun and powerful. I think ones main concern in doing speed tests will be keeping the front down :)
However, I'm not in it for that really, a powerful bike is fun and indeed, hooligan inducing so i can understand your tyre usage ..or shal we say "abusage"  :biggrin:

That XChallenge you posted to is indeed a nice one. Not sure if it has ABS brakes though - some of them do some don't.
Also the reason I can't entertain a XR or DR. or DRZ for that matter.
Seriously, it's a big selling point for me personally. Will not consider a bike without it anymore.

I'm thinking I need to wait till next year, see what Husqy and KTM does for model lineup and then pick up a 2014 /2015 model 690....
You only live once.

@Xpat, yeah...that Adventure is also interesting...they definitely have something on the way, but for my needs I'll just go 690 / 701 or XC if I want to go cheap. I really don't need a twin anymore. Otherwise I will just keep the F800 as it does everything well, accept the weight part.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on August 21, 2015, 01:01:27 pm
Oh yes it definitely has a lot of power, that video...I dont know.  The BMW rider looks like a noob.  I'm a noob, but thats a real wet noob.
in a straight line the F800GS will out accelerate the 690 esp if one keeps going to 200km/h.  A BMW F800's 0-100kmh is 3.2-3.4 seconds if you look at reviews etc and the KTm 690 Enduro is 4.2-4.6 seconds. Nevermind top speed.  I've ridden 2 690's and they are very fun and powerful. I think ones main concern in doing speed tests will be keeping the front down :)
However, I'm not in it for that really, a powerful bike is fun and indeed, hooligan inducing so i can understand your tyre usage ..or shal we say "abusage"  :biggrin:

Yeah I don't know about the respective riders skill but remember, I had an 800GS on which I did many kays and I can tell you that the 690 will at the very least keep up from 0-140, but most likely out accelerate the 800. Obviously the 800 will beat it for top speed being a twin. I hear you on ABS. I'm the opposite. I don't want ABS
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Xpat on August 21, 2015, 02:57:49 pm
@Xpat, yeah...that Adventure is also interesting...they definitely have something on the way, but for my needs I'll just go 690 / 701 or XC if I want to go cheap. I really don't need a twin anymore. Otherwise I will just keep the F800 as it does everything well, accept the weight part.

The bike on the spy photos has 690 single, not twin. The speculation is that they may start producing adventure bike (bigger tank front back, longer swingarm, etc.) with 690 engine as a bridge till the twin is ready (if ever). I would be perfectly happy with the single 690 in rally coat from factory - as that is what I'm planning to do with 690 anyway.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 03:02:50 pm
@Xpat, yeah...that Adventure is also interesting...they definitely have something on the way, but for my needs I'll just go 690 / 701 or XC if I want to go cheap. I really don't need a twin anymore. Otherwise I will just keep the F800 as it does everything well, accept the weight part.

The bike on the spy photos has 690 single, not twin. The speculation is that they may start producing adventure bike (bigger tank front back, longer swingarm, etc.) with 690 engine as a bridge till the twin is ready (if ever). I would be perfectly happy with the single 690 in rally coat from factory - as that is what I'm planning to do with 690 anyway.

You are right! I thought i saw dual headers, but I have read about a possible Twin on the way 700-900cc so that threw me.
As long as it weighs under 160kg's.

Another thing  I think the 690 has over the XC.  Slipper clutch.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 03:08:23 pm
@Xpat, Why are you wanting to move from the 660 to the 690?
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Xpat on August 21, 2015, 03:22:37 pm
It's all Dwerg's fault  >:D.

Look, I haven't decided yet - I still would like to ride xt660r to make up my mind. I think you've read my complaints about 660z - I'm leaving today to Namaqua and Richtersveld, which may rekindle our relationship, but I do not hold my breath (if anything, 100s of kms in deep sand may nudge me even more to something lighter).

What is unique in 690 is the combination of light weight (which I will deliberately add to to get long distance capability and stability) and power. And, contrary to any other single on the market I know, 690's power just get's better as your revs raise. For my type of adv riding - which resembles more long distance rally type of terrain (sand, double tracks, dirt roads), rather than Ertzberg, I spent most of my time around 110 - 140 kmh (probably somewhat slower in deep sand, but not that much when on light bike like my te630). And regardless of gearing, any single bike at those speeds is going to be mostly upwards of 5500 rpm, where most of them start running out of oomph despite the power up modifications, while 690 is getting right into it - that increasing acceleration with increasing revs is addictive for this type of riding. For technical stuff, my te630 will kick 690's butt (rider being the same of course).

I'm still iffy about reliability and price, but my inner kid's nagging is just relentless, and is starting to get upper hand over the rational considerations.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: boland on August 21, 2015, 03:47:14 pm
Just do it Xpat!
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on August 21, 2015, 04:06:16 pm
It's all Dwerg's fault  >:D.

Look, I haven't decided yet - I still would like to ride xt660r to make up my mind. I think you've read my complaints about 660z - I'm leaving today to Namaqua and Richtersveld, which may rekindle our relationship, but I do not hold my breath (if anything, 100s of kms in deep sand may nudge me even more to something lighter).

What is unique in 690 is the combination of light weight (which I will deliberately add to to get long distance capability and stability) and power. And, contrary to any other single on the market I know, 690's power just get's better as your revs raise. For my type of adv riding - which resembles more long distance rally type of terrain (sand, double tracks, dirt roads), rather than Ertzberg, I spent most of my time around 110 - 140 kmh (probably somewhat slower in deep sand, but not that much when on light bike like my te630). And regardless of gearing, any single bike at those speeds is going to be mostly upwards of 5500 rpm, where most of them start running out of oomph despite the power up modifications, while 690 is getting right into it - that increasing acceleration with increasing revs is addictive for this type of riding. For technical stuff, my te630 will kick 690's butt (rider being the same of course).

I'm still iffy about reliability and price, but my inner kid's nagging is just relentless, and is starting to get upper hand over the rational considerations.

I'm nowhere near riding like that but the bolded part in your post is exactly how I feel.   :P
I have a KTM 250 XCW to hold back the "I NEED one now" part and luckily / unluckily I do bike daily as per commute so that has the sensibility part of the brain at least tied up in the corner shouting loudly.... but tbh.. thinking of commuting on this sure seems like a lot of fun as well as taking it into rougher terrain. Other than putting my 2stroke on the road that is  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: funky_munky on July 08, 2016, 10:08:02 am
I have a 2009 690 SM which I commute daily on, so far racked up 52 000 kms in the past 4 years. Travel between 20 and 100 kms /day. had to replace rocker arms and cam shaft at 50 000 kms. other than that, no other issues. have been looking at upgrading to something with a little more wind protection, but only thing that cought my eye was the new Africa Twin, but then KTM announce that the 800 was going to be released soon - year or two, so now I shall wait to see what is shown at INTERMOT and EICMA. aaargggh
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on September 13, 2017, 11:39:11 am
So..... I'm here again but this time it's with a difference. I'm not thinking about a 690 as a daily ride and I had and sold the Xchallenge. It was everything i thought it would be. Brilliant bike. Still not as dirtworthy perhaps as it should/could have been.


Some people here mentioned that the KTM 690 is a lot more dirt worthy. I've ridden 3 now, but not in the dirt. Always on the road.
So my current situation changed a lot.
I know ride a 1200GS LC as my daily and my long distance touring with pillion etc.  Fantastic bike and I love it.
I also sold my KTM 250 2t and now have a 2009/2010 can't remember exactly now  Yamaha WR250F thats licenced on the road. Plates, lights indicators hooter the works. and I really love this bike as well.
In fact for any local rides on any dirt I actually ride to the dirt and then ride and ride home. Fantastic until I have to go long distance or higher speed roads. i.e roads with speed limits 100kph and above. She will reach 125kph but then she is screaming.
 On those roads at those speeds the little WR screams and I dont like doign that at all, so I end up sitting at 60-75km/h.

My mate and I often ride together and it was a blast till hemoved house and we discovered some other areas to play.
Now it's trailer time, or leaving my bike at his spot, then going there after work or on the weekend and we both ride on the road to the trails in the area where both of our dirt bikes are plated. It's really great to be able to do that but the longer distances brings the issues.

I can see now however that within a month or 3 we are going to get bored of these places and wat to ride others...this then has the implications of hiring a trailer loading and going riding.
I'm already thinking this is not a great situation. Even if we each get Xramps for our vehicles you now have to leave the vehicle in the middle of nowhere.

SO.....here comes the KTM 690 again sticking out it's head.
I don't need it for daily or commuting. I need to ride to a trail and then ride a trail and ride home.

Thing is my Xchallenge was pretty good at that...but not good enough (or I wasnt good enough) to really enjoy sticking to the 250's 450's at places like the quarry to Zone 7 or atlantis dunes etc. I did it...but not without struggling or falling in really sandy whoops sections. As soon as it got to harder dirt it was awesome.

Now the 2 of us are thinking of each selling our bikes and getting a 690 each.
I enjoy more technical riding as well as sand riding, but I also enjoy dirt outrides and exploring. My mate enjoys the latter more and he has a blast on farm roads etc. So me knowing what  thats like and doing longer distances to places like Tankwa / Oasis etc thinks maybe the 690 can do all of that.
He could just get a 800gs or something for those trips and I can take the 1200 but then we will be missing out on the more explorative riding when we see a 1 spoor etc.

How will the 690 cope on quarry rides, Zone 7 enduro or Barrel farm etc in stock form, are those rides generally out now?
I'm an average rider at best.

Then I once again come back to why I chose the Xchallenge over the 690 when I needed it for a everyday ride.... reliability.
How difficult is the known issues to fix or fault find. Do they give warning generally?

Are any year models better than the other for reliability or capability? ABS requirement now is not a must as it wont be commuted with in the rain etc. So any model year would do it terms of functionality.
Where do you service other than KTM CT. How easy is it to do valve checks and fuel pump change etc yourself?

Should I just keep the WR250 and trailer it? A good clean no issue road going WR250F is a bit of a unicorn...id hate to make a mistake and not have that bike anymore and want it back....but I might have to sell it to afford the KTM.  I sold a YZ250F before to get a 450 and after a few other bikes yearned back for my YZ - hence  I got the WR and it's just awesome for me in the dirt.

The 450's 525's etc are out since they require too much oil changes and the like. The only option really is a 690 unless i'm missing something less obvious.

I just feel with the 690 we can get on and ride basically anywhere and not have to worry about all this trailer kak or have to wrestle heavy pigs around.
If we want to go ride after work I can take the 690 and go directly after work.
It just makes life way easier.

If i had the KTM 690's price in cash lying around I wouldn't be asking this question.  I'd keep the WR and get a 690.


@Xpat, you ended up getting the 690....what are your comments now after your move?

WR250,  690 Enduro and a 1200 GS LC.... a man can dream right?

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on September 15, 2017, 09:50:20 am
So I guess you guys think it s a kak idea?   ;D

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on September 15, 2017, 10:45:23 am
Well your post is pretty much the 690 design brief. Try get a demo for a day and go ride in those areas. Stock gearing isn't ideal for trail riding but that's an easy fix. Mine is back in stock trim and I'm loving more than ever. In fact it's the longest I've kept one bike and I have no intention of selling it. Except maybe for a 701
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on September 15, 2017, 11:08:18 am
Well your post is pretty much the 690 design brief. Try get a demo for a day and go ride in those areas. Stock gearing isn't ideal for trail riding but that's an easy fix. Mine is back in stock trim and I'm loving more than ever. In fact it's the longest I've kept one bike and I have no intention of selling it. Except maybe for a 701

Yeah seems thats the only two options hey.
Ok, ill start looking for one. Gonna put the WR250F up for sale.   :'(   You guys will help me with all the mechanical kak I'm going to have right?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: HappyEnding on September 15, 2017, 11:16:13 am
the only problem I have with my 690 is trying to get my helmet off with the big smile after riding it !!!!

and very happy to ride 200kms on tar to do a 50km ride offroad, and then 200kms home an tar again.

RB
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on September 15, 2017, 01:44:23 pm
the only problem I have with my 690 is trying to get my helmet off with the big smile after riding it !!!!

and very happy to ride 200kms on tar to do a 50km ride offroad, and then 200kms home an tar again.

RB

Hopefully that will be my experience as well..... perfect bike on paper.
I've test ridden 3, all on the road only though. Loved it there.

That riding you do is exactly what we are looking at doing, hopefully a bit less tar and more dirt though.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 03, 2017, 02:13:23 pm
I might have found one.....  :eek:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on October 03, 2017, 04:34:20 pm
I might have found one.....  :eek:

About time, just buy the damn thing now, we're getting tired of all the questions  :imaposer:

PS!!! It's a bloody awesome bike  >:D
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 03, 2017, 07:17:37 pm
I might have found one.....  :eek:

About time, just buy the damn thing now, we're getting tired of all the questions  :imaposer:

PS!!! It's a bloody awesome bike  >:D

 :lol8:

Will probably know tomorrow....so many options on the for sale section as well.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 12, 2017, 11:00:02 am
Got my baby....she purrs like a kitten and goes like a stabbed rat!
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Sheepman on October 12, 2017, 11:18:12 am
Got my baby....she purrs like a kitten and goes like a stabbed rat!

Congrats ! Show her off to us please ;)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on October 12, 2017, 11:20:54 am
Got my baby....she purrs like a kitten and goes like a stabbed rat!

 :blob10: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob7: Congrats  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 12, 2017, 11:26:45 am
Thanks!  :thumleft:

Some shitty pics from last night and was too busy riding this morning, but here she is...

(https://i.imgur.com/bN9xV7K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KIqM4hJ.jpg)

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Renrew on October 12, 2017, 11:31:33 am
Nice bud!

If you wouldn’t mind, some details about model year, extras and price?
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 12, 2017, 11:40:15 am
Thanks Renrew!

2017 (23 August.) - 300km on the odo - Hand Guards and Carbon clutch and ignition covers.
Price...well lets just say if you deduct about R35-R45k on a new 2017 Husky you will be very close to the amount. ;)
I couldnt believe the price actually, since listed ones i've seen was say R115K for a 2016 with like 2500 or so KM on them etc.


Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Renrew on October 12, 2017, 11:42:26 am
Thanks Renrew!

2017 (23 August.) - 300km on the odo - Hand Guards and Carbon clutch and ignition covers.
Price...well lets just say if you deduct about R35-R45k on a new 2017 Husky you will be very close to the amount. ;)
I couldnt believe the price actually, since listed ones i've seen was say R115K for a 2016 with like 25000 or so KM on them etc.

Awesome! Glad you got a good deal :thumleft:

Give some thoughts after your first ride :ricky:

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 12, 2017, 11:46:31 am
Thanks Renrew!

2017 (23 August.) - 300km on the odo - Hand Guards and Carbon clutch and ignition covers.
Price...well lets just say if you deduct about R35-R45k on a new 2017 Husky you will be very close to the amount. ;)
I couldnt believe the price actually, since listed ones i've seen was say R115K for a 2016 with like 25000 or so KM on them etc.

Awesome! Glad you got a good deal :thumleft:

Give some thoughts after your first ride :ricky:

Took it for a ride this morning - it's a lot smoother than a few previous 690's i've ridden. Think it has to do that this one has stock exhaust perhaps.
Feels nice and light, gearbox felt excellent and goes well although I'm still running her in.

Will probably go play in some dirt after work today otherwise over the weekend.  :ricky:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 12, 2017, 03:18:24 pm
Congrats looks like a good deal. None of this riding in business though. Put her on the back wheel asap  :biggrin: :ricky:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: dirtyXT on October 12, 2017, 07:38:09 pm
nice bike! hope it brings you many smiles. what tyres are those? I'm commuting alot these days and looking for a decent set of treads.

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Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Sheepman on October 12, 2017, 08:48:26 pm
Great bike at a very good deal - enjoy  :)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 13, 2017, 07:06:18 am
nice bike! hope it brings you many smiles. what tyres are those? I'm commuting alot these days and looking for a decent set of treads.

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Metzeler Enduro
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Thumper Dumper on October 13, 2017, 07:48:42 am
Thanks!  :thumleft:

Some shitty pics from last night and was too busy riding this morning, but here she is...

(https://i.imgur.com/bN9xV7K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KIqM4hJ.jpg)
Congratulations, sounds like you got a sweet deal.
The hand guards look like the originals that they come with, you may want to fit some beefier ones.
Cheers
Thumper
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 13, 2017, 10:55:39 am
 :thumleft:
Yup it's stock handguards although I've seen some sold without handguards. Will def make a plan for aluminum ones but have a few other stuff to do first.
I purchased tank bolts - want to do that before I do too rough offroad with it. I want to lower the pegs and maybe do the bars. I am doing the pegs first then checking.
Also those mirrors, they really work well...but dont like how they look. Plus if I fall they will take damage. Also then a enlarged side-stand foot.

The tyres are Metzeler Enduros as Dwerg said. Perfectly fine on tar...feels like road tyres, and  they may be better in the dirt than what you would think by looking at them. I didn't push it at all since I was alone and still finding my feet with the bike.  Will ride them for a while before I get something meatier or maybe Karoo3's on the back with some MT21's on the front. Will see.

I took it on about 80km's ride yesterday. Did some hard packed dirt and a bit of sand....definitely not a WR250 in the loose stuff, but did a lot better than the Xchallenge coped.  I can imagine airing down with better tyres she will be handleable. In dirt...awesome! feels like a proper big dirt bike.
I forgot how these things wants to rev. up until 2000rpm not much happens, 4000rpm and up you still have dollops of power the higher it goes.
A new exhaust - for that nice thumper sound but on the other hand I don't want to deal with mapping issues and fueling and shit. Will have to think about that.

Here is a better pic. But you guys know how it looks like ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/8dvE6Dq.jpg)


Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Thumper Dumper on October 13, 2017, 08:29:02 pm
I have the Akro on mine and the dealer remapped it.
Sounds great but once again they don't come cheap.
Only because I can't leave anything alone I also fitted a rapid bike unit from Fire it up.
I find it has better low down power now and it also gives you the option of remapping it yourself.
Cheers
Thumper
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 16, 2017, 03:59:00 pm
Man...this bike.... I am seriously loving it. Looking back at my questions I'll be providing some comparisons I've found between this and the Xchallenge etc.
I just want to get it to the runin service and be able to properly evaluate.

I've put 235km on this weekend, then I had to work on it already.....





.....lowered and wider footpegs  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on October 16, 2017, 04:33:32 pm
Looking back at my questions I'll be providing some comparisons I've found between this and the Xchallenge etc.


There are none, it's light years ahead  ;)

Regarding the Akro and mapping... if done correctly there are no issues at all. Mine has pulled strong from day one. Fitting a rally raid air filter also makes an additional difference as the bike breaths so much better  :thumleft:

You are aware the bike has a mapping switch under the seat right? Try turning it to it's aggressive map and feel the difference  >:D
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Xpat on October 16, 2017, 05:06:05 pm
Looking back at my questions I'll be providing some comparisons I've found between this and the Xchallenge etc.


There are none, it's light years ahead  ;)
...

Exactly. This is the only option in the segment right now (assuming 701 is the same thing of course). And while I enjoy 690, this doesn't make me overflowing with joy. I do wish Japanese would wake up and try to compete (I mean really compete, not try to dump on us 30 year old crap under the banner of 'reliability' - anybody can make old undepowered shit reliable just by overbuilding it). I would like to have a choice of 690/701 with 75 HP and let's say similarly weighted XRR, XT, DR with let's say 65 HP (so that they have some allowance for that reliability they like to boast about).

So should the rocker arms try to kill me, I would have an alternative to fall back on.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 16, 2017, 06:34:57 pm
Yup I m aware of the mapping switch. It's currently on one of the Normal mode settings. I'll try the Wild after 1000km.

You guys say that there are no comparison...but there are.

Low down torque. the 690 likes to and needs to Rev. So for people liking the power to be made from idle to say 4000rpm it's a negative.  Not saying I do or don't. It's just a big difference with the two. The 690 keeps on pulling though while the Xchallenge starts to sign off early. Not sure how much since no Rev counter. . The Xchallenge lower torque just feels more big thumper and is a lot less likely to stall in the rough stuff. The 690 has dollops more power. I was grinning from ear to ear when at 120kph you roll on  there is a real tug. Ok the wind is making my body a sail...but man....it's awesome. No comparison in power after say 3000 rpm.

I felt the Xchallenge was a bit more comfortable seating to pegs for me. Hence the dropped  pegs now.
Suspension on the 690 feels a lot better( even after I replaced the air shock at the back of the Xchallenge) although quite harsh at the front. Still playing with the clickers.
The fan on the 690 comes on often when riding slow. I barely ever heard it on the Xchallenge.
At 130kph I can detect a slight wobble on the 690. Looking at the front fender it looks like that's what's moving. It's not an issue at all and one can push faster. On the Xchallenge it was rock solid up past 140kph. I don't think it's tyres bit the flatish mudguard on the 690.

In traffic the 690 feels like a weapon. Really you guys were right. It's so nimble and quick that you are having fun playing and taking weird little routes. This is good and bad.  The Xchallenge also felt good but yeah. Way more sedated feeling.
However, the turning circle on the 690  is atrocious. I'll need to adjust the stoppers. But this is a handicap. What is the reasoning for that? Safety somehow?

Throttle feel and clutch on the 690 is light years ahead. No comparison.

Weight...the 690 feels even lighter than it is vs the Xchallenge. You will never say it's only about 16kg - and the X did feel light.

Lights at night... Neither are fantastic but the 690 is better.

Seat...neither is great but believe it or not the 690's is better than the Xchallenge one.

Brakes. 690 by a country mile.

In the bit of sand and offroad I did.....again, only 16kg on paper but the 690 really does feel like a big old dirt bike. A real one.
Looks...well the 690 was always great looking. The Xchallenge is not bad but looking at the 690 is like  :drif:
Fuel consumption  both are great but Xchallenge is better however the 690 has 3.8 more liters of fuel.

So that's so far from my own opinions on riding both now.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 17, 2017, 12:46:29 pm
When adjusting the steering stoppers, just make 100% sure the forks don't touch the frame

Have you checked your suspension settings? I have my compression dialled quite high which can make small bumps feel a little harsh. Adjusting to comfort can help.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 18, 2017, 07:36:23 am
When adjusting the steering stoppers, just make 100% sure the forks don't touch the frame

Have you checked your suspension settings? I have my compression dialled quite high which can make small bumps feel a little harsh. Adjusting to comfort can help.

Will make sure on the forks, thanks.
I've set everything to stock now after yesterday's ride and will start adjusting the suspension from there. One thing to note is that the tyres where 2.3 bar when cold. This is quite a bit more than what it says in the manual specs. I've taken them down and the ride was a lot better.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 20, 2017, 09:08:41 am
Looking back at my questions I'll be providing some comparisons I've found between this and the Xchallenge etc.


There are none, it's light years ahead  ;)

Regarding the Akro and mapping... if done correctly there are no issues at all. Mine has pulled strong from day one. Fitting a rally raid air filter also makes an additional difference as the bike breaths so much better  :thumleft:

You are aware the bike has a mapping switch under the seat right? Try turning it to it's aggressive map and feel the difference  >:D

If I put a Wings exhaust on do I need to get the Akro mapping?
Does KTM CT do the mapping?

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Xpat on October 20, 2017, 08:50:19 pm
If you leave any of the two the baffles (one quieter, one a bit more open and loud) in (is that the correct term - the thingy at the end of the exhaust?) and do not open airbox in any way, you don't need new map. Only if you use the exhaust without baffle or open airbox.

Check Wings website for rules.

Edit: OK, its called DB killers. Here are the instructions from Wings website: http://wings.si/ver4/slikarije/WINGS_Remapping.pdf (http://wings.si/ver4/slikarije/WINGS_Remapping.pdf)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 21, 2017, 12:03:05 am
Thanks XPat. That's perfect.
Definitely going the Wings route then and will use the quiet baffle.
It's a a bit of a travesty that my WR250F and 1200GS has more bark than the KTM690 at this point. I don't need loud I just don't need stealth mode. :)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 22, 2017, 02:49:13 pm
This thing should be illegal in traffic  :ricky:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 25, 2017, 10:39:40 am
Took it on some gravel tracks yesterday. It's  :thumleft:
The stock tyres are a little squirrely over the gravel and loose stones. I also had them a bit hard so they are maybe a bit better than I am thinking they are now, but didnt want to air down since I had to still do quite a bit of tar twisties.
What would you suggest to replace the stock front tyre with? I think the rear is ok.
TKC80?


Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Buff on October 25, 2017, 11:09:08 am
Pirelli MT21 works great on the 690, I'll be going back to it after this sh!t Dunlop D908 is destroyed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 25, 2017, 01:21:49 pm
Pirelli MT21 works great on the 690, I'll be going back to it after this sh!t Dunlop D908 is destroyed  :thumleft:

AH...yes! forgot about the MT21.  :thumleft:
Yeah I've had some Dunlops in my life and they were all shite.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Amsterdam on October 25, 2017, 01:23:24 pm
Motoz Desert H/T.  Personally prefer this by a long way over the MT21.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 25, 2017, 01:41:50 pm
Motoz Desert H/T.  Personally prefer this by a long way over the MT21.

Is that the "Tractionator"?
Where did you buy them?

These? They seem that they will be seriously bad on the way to the dirt.
(https://advmoto-assets-advmoto.netdna-ssl.com/images/ARTICLES/Gear/Motoz/TractionatorDesertHT/Gallery/Stock.jpg)

Or These?

(http://static.chaparral-racing.com/productimages/1300/498-14-090-090-21-A.jpg)
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Amsterdam on October 25, 2017, 02:43:13 pm
The top ones.  Flying Brick stocks them. They work amazingly well on the road too.  Managed to get 7000 kms out of the rear and not completely finished yet.  Front still good for 3000 kms.  They make you into a good sand rider without actually being one.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 26, 2017, 11:17:57 am
My current combo. Michelin AC10 and Dunlop D606 rear. I like my tyres cheap  :biggrin:

Don't expect to get much more than 2500kms out of a set though
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Amsterdam on October 26, 2017, 11:27:50 am
My current combo. Michelin AC10 and Dunlop D606 rear. I like my tyres cheap  :biggrin:

Don't expect to get much more than 2500kms out of a set though

I used the D606 rear before for the same reason.  I think that one is now about 60% of the price of the Motoz and doesn't last/ride as well.  Must confess that I used the Motoz on a long trip and did look after the tires as I didn't fancy pushing the bike through the Angolan bush.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: billy-joe on October 27, 2017, 09:59:44 am
howsit Omninorm!

firstly, congrats on the purchase, the bike looks beautiful!  many happy miles.  i'm also thinking of getting a KTM but the legendary 640.  was wondering if you'd ridden one and whether it'd be a decent daily ride?  Don't have enough moola for all the bikes I want/need!

maybe I should start another thread if this derail this one?  would love to hear from the 640 guys out there.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 27, 2017, 10:53:08 am
howsit Omninorm!

firstly, congrats on the purchase, the bike looks beautiful!  many happy miles.  i'm also thinking of getting a KTM but the legendary 640.  was wondering if you'd ridden one and whether it'd be a decent daily ride?  Don't have enough moola for all the bikes I want/need!

maybe I should start another thread if this derail this one?  would love to hear from the 640 guys out there.

I used to have a 640. It vibrates like hell but I still occasionally used mine between PTA and JHB for work. A 50km stretch on tar will leave your hands, bum and feet numb. One thing that caught me out a couple of times was the fact that it would run out of fuel while in the fast lane at which point you'd have to switch the petcock to reserve. A tricky thing in peak traffic but this can of course be managed. I still miss my 640
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: billy-joe on October 27, 2017, 12:53:22 pm
Thanks Dwerg, when you weren’t flogging it, what kind of consumption you get on it? Why did you sell?


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Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Omninorm on October 27, 2017, 03:02:21 pm
howsit Omninorm!

firstly, congrats on the purchase, the bike looks beautiful!  many happy miles.  i'm also thinking of getting a KTM but the legendary 640.  was wondering if you'd ridden one and whether it'd be a decent daily ride?  Don't have enough moola for all the bikes I want/need!

maybe I should start another thread if this derail this one?  would love to hear from the 640 guys out there.

Hey there!
Thanks bud! Loving it  :ricky:
If I had enough moola I'd have so many bikes  :biggrin: Purchasing this 690 was a bit of a leap of ..... trusting the gut over the brain, but we will see. So far the gut was right.

I've ridden a 640 Adventure once and a while  back and only for possibly 4-5km's around the block and up the road.
I liked it. It felt a bit old school but in a characterful way. However it was what some would call "big on vibes", and I would call it vibey too but some people hate it others can make due. I would be able to make due I think.
I felt it was quite comfortable in terms of seating and wind protection. It did make me smile when I rode it, so it was a fun ride.
 I thought it felt lighter than it looks - I would guestimate about the same as the Xchallenge but weight higher up. maybe a bit more. It looks way heavier. It sounded fantastic, not sure what pipes the owner had on.
Can't really comment much more than that tbh. I mean my time on it wasn't really enough to give too much reliable feedback esp in terms of vibes on the long road and ownership, cornering or offroad.

Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: Dwerg on October 27, 2017, 03:26:21 pm
Thanks Dwerg, when you weren’t flogging it, what kind of consumption you get on it? Why did you sell?


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Can't exactly remember but I seem to recall around 20-22km/l. Sold it after a fall which broke the fairing, headlight cluster and tank. Didn't have the cash to replace the parts which would've cost almost as much as I paid for the bike.
Title: Re: The KTM 690 as daily ride.
Post by: billy-joe on October 27, 2017, 03:33:59 pm
Thanks guys.  I need a scoot to do some commuting on and have always loved the look of the 640.  Looks like you could do the Dakar with it, no sweat!