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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Grootseun on February 03, 2006, 09:21:44 am

Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Grootseun on February 03, 2006, 09:21:44 am
Im not too sure if it advisable to leave the Topbox on when doing and offroad ride? the backet on the topbox (OEM BMW) looks pretty strong, as does the attachment to the bike itself.
Has anyone heard of or experienced bad situations with a topbox during offroad conditions (fairly normal use.. im not sure what this means)

I am very inexperienced offroad.

Jaco
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: michnus on February 03, 2006, 09:30:03 am
Leave the thing at home, witness many times topboxes bouncing on the road, scattering your Nagroompies, condoms, and make-up all over the place and all the while trying to keep up with it's owner :lol:
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: shark_za on February 03, 2006, 09:45:39 am
It the ride is not too technical, why not.
I only find the box to be a problem when I am going down seriously steep hills, and I cant move to the back to the bike cos the box is in the way.
See this hill, going down I feel hampered by the box.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/kiler650.jpg)

With yesterday stuck in the mud episode, I ended up using the box to push the bike at times, its akward when the wheel is down to the swingarm in mud, the extra height allowed be to get under the weight and lift the bike out a little.
So it helped.
I mounted the givi myself, I know its strong.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: shark_za on February 03, 2006, 09:47:19 am
Oh and bouncing around is a problem, I left my full face helmet in the box once, did a short offroad section and when we hit long tar road I switched to the helmet and it was stuffed.
Like grinded away on the one side, had to replace the visor and live with the one side looking like it came off at 200.

And as for the topbox coming off, get yourself one of the handiest things a biker can get, an elastic cargo net. With this you can tie your duffel bag to the back, and secure your topbox in case the quick release clips decide to quick release...

You often see me in midrand on a weekend riding with a 5kg bag of charcoal and firelighters on the back, covered by such a net
 8)
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: sidetrack on February 03, 2006, 10:18:23 am
These top boxes are not really made for knarly offroad riding but my friend with his BMW topbox on his Dakar and me with my cheapo emgo made it through Baviaans with them but it was a bumpy shaky trip. This is why I want Dirt Bagz, they can take offroad beating.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: wino on February 03, 2006, 10:19:00 am
Quote from: "shark_za"

I mounted the givi myself, I know its strong.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

yip, leave the box at home. have seen a topbox fly off a bmw with spectacular and humorous effect. rather get soft luggage for the back rack (check under gear section)
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: LiveInTheOutdoors on February 03, 2006, 10:21:17 am
Grootseun, I used the BMW original topbox on my sojourns and gooi'd lekker. It never came off, and I didnt use a cargo net, though I think they are brilliant items. And I never had a hitch

Heres some fotos, good memories

(http://tigerr.smugmug.com/photos/19600055-M.jpg)

some of the roads we did

(http://tigerr.smugmug.com/photos/19600058-M.jpg)

(http://tigerr.smugmug.com/photos/19600047-M.jpg)

(http://tigerr.smugmug.com/photos/19600060-M.jpg)

For extra safety, gooi that cargo net over, its cheap insurance. Make sure the bolts are done nicely, and that your box is clipped on properly.

If you are inexperienced... then you wont be doing 100ft jumps etc, and your topbox will be fine.

Michnus is right though, a lot of ouens have had problems, but that was mainly the topbox on the 1200GS that he rides...   :booty:  :laughing5:  :laughing6:  :laughing7:  :laughing8:  :laughing9:  :love1:
Title: Re: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 11:54:31 am
Quote from: "Grootseun"
Im not too sure if it advisable to leave the Topbox on when doing and offroad ride?
Has anyone heard of or experienced bad situations with a topbox during offroad conditions (fairly normal use.. im not sure what this means)



You don't want to leave home without a cargo net (see pic) if you're using a topbox and expect to do dirt. The net keeps it nice and tight and I have never had a problem even with the rear shock bottoming. This is for "normal" travel to a destination on gravel roads. If you want to do serious technical stuff, you may prefer to remove the box at a campsite or leave it where you can pick it up again. A guy I talked to told me he went travelling without a net and lost his topbox with camera, GPS and other valuables. The insurance refused to pay as it was not secured. Incidentally it was the same guy who sold me the net, but it was not just sales talk. Probably the best R50 I've ever spent.

To me topbox is a necessity for commuting or travelling. Can't do without it.

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6070/cnet019gd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Oppad on February 03, 2006, 11:59:08 am
%#@&*!! I'm doing the sotlike Guest thing again. Will set it to automatic login. Sorry, people, but if you're a Sot, you're a Sot.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: sidetrack on February 03, 2006, 12:31:13 pm
I think you should change your nic to guest  :lol:
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Grootseun on February 03, 2006, 12:43:59 pm
Thanks for all the info, i will take everything into consideration.
I have some "hand me down-never been used soft luggage i got from my father in law,  it's oxford or something but i have yet to figure out how to secure it to the bark if im not using the topbox, or even in adition to it... but the cargo net just might do the trick.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Oppad on February 03, 2006, 12:54:01 pm
Quote from: "digitaldan"
I think you should change your nic to guest  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: Good one there, Dan.

By the way, and seeing that you hail from those parts, the cheapie emgo topbox and cargo net were both bought in George. Can't remember the shop's name but it's opposite the old Sport&Rock in Langenhoven Street,  They specialise in off road stuff and I have found their prices often to be better for the same stuff than in Cape Town.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: sidetrack on February 03, 2006, 12:57:00 pm
I love those topboxes as they are cheap and not to big which looks funny on a ds bike. Also if you should crash you would not worry to much about it.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: KiLRoy on February 03, 2006, 12:59:05 pm
Look out for the zorsts on the Dakar - one thing I have against twin zorsts (it do look great though) is the difficulty of adding saddlebags and even soft top bags.

H
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: shark_za on February 03, 2006, 01:02:44 pm
Push Here
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/StootHier.jpg)


I know its not best practice, but stuck in the middle of nowhere you do anything to get going again.  :walk:  :naka:
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Grootseun on February 03, 2006, 01:08:04 pm
lol shark... mebbe you should get yourself one of those lifesaver tube like sotkop has on his cargo net ... look at the pic for product description...mebbe it'll help when you decide to mudwrestle your baby next time.

 :P  :D
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: shark_za on February 03, 2006, 01:11:18 pm
Was wondering if a rescue ring was standard equipment at the coast.
Sotkop you ol pirate you.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2006, 07:25:59 am
Quote from: "shark_za"
Was wondering if a rescue ring was standard equipment at the coast.
Sotkop you ol pirate you.


Oh buoy, you guys just slay me! (geddit!!??, geddit!!?)

The lifesaver thing is actually attached to the pont across the river at Malgas. The pic was intended to be a subtle attempt at some place name / destination dropping, but now you''ve gone and screw it up.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: LiveInTheOutdoors on February 04, 2006, 07:58:19 am
hehe lets guess. it was SOT who is the guest  :wink:
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Oppad on February 04, 2006, 08:25:57 am
Quote from: "LiveInTheOutdoors"
hehe lets guess. it was SOT who is the guest  :wink:


And so it was, accessing the site from home where I haven't yet set it to auto login.  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Adventurer on February 04, 2006, 10:06:47 am
The 650 topbox holding brackets tend to open up after lengthy rough conditions, the bracket part that holds the topbox onto the mounting plate, these can be bent back into shape by hand. If you use the topbox offroad always check it for free play, and adjust if needed. Soft luggage is always the better option off road though. Kaoko has a very lekker day pack, custom made foe 650's 1150's and the 1200. Price is also good.
Title: Top Box On Offroad ride?
Post by: Grootseun on February 06, 2006, 10:06:15 am
Took the box on 200km's of dirt with some rocky sections and lotsa run-offs and the box was fine.. one just need to get into the habit of making sure it's locked before you start riding again. very impressed with tha box.