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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: The Badger on October 26, 2015, 05:42:16 pm

Title: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: The Badger on October 26, 2015, 05:42:16 pm
I went on to a military Facebook group I belong to two weeks ago and what do I see...
Two pics of me doing what I love  :deal: :ricky: taken whilst escourting Swawek engineers from the Hydro Electric  Plant just inside Angola back to Ruacana town and Base.
The son of one of the Engineers found the pics recently and posted them.
It was a very lekker surprise after 29 years especially when pics were scarce and Ilegal .
The pics was taken in 1984.
Thanks for having a look at some of my precious memories.
3 - Our Trackers badge.
4 - Our Bikesquad badge.
5 - Our Unit Flash.

Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: JustBendIt on October 26, 2015, 05:49:53 pm
Schweet bru  :thumleft:

maximum respect
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 26, 2015, 06:05:25 pm
Very nice, and impressive.

I once got sunburned on weekend pass, and was brought on orders for damage to state property.

I would hate to think what they would charge you with if one of those went over  ;D.

Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 26, 2015, 07:47:46 pm
Very lekker!!!!!

I know that little "pass" very well, from down at Calouec back up to Ruacana town.  It was tar already when we guarded the Swawek lines in 1979/80.

Our "wheely guy" was Murray Hoffman, also on that same BikeSquad FB page.

Me and Wayne Hitge and Charlie Holden use to play Kenny Roberts, flat-out on twin-shock XR500 up and down there. Wayne died in a motorcycle crash in 1981.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 26, 2015, 08:10:59 pm
Thanks Jags ding,  Warren E and 2SDan.
We really looked after our bikes.
Murray Hoffman is a legend. :deal: Dan. That was a lekker pass to practise your wheelie skills.

Eeish RIP Wayne.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: skydiver on October 26, 2015, 08:37:08 pm
Nice pics Badger  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: IanTheTooth on October 26, 2015, 09:06:25 pm
What a sweet looking young thing you were! What happened? Ian
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 26, 2015, 09:22:12 pm
What a sweet looking young thing you were! What happened? Ian

Hahaha it is true wear and tear Ian. Long time no ride together.

Thanks Skydiver.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Baches on October 27, 2015, 07:49:18 am
Respect !!!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Clockwork Orange on October 27, 2015, 09:32:08 am
Fantastic!!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: cloudgazer on October 27, 2015, 10:13:53 am
hehehe
I saw those pics on FB last week - and thought of posting them here.
didn't realise it was one of us.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: RobC on October 27, 2015, 10:22:01 am
 :thumleft: Bikesquad... manne wat kan!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Geel Kat on October 27, 2015, 10:24:22 am
Great wheelies  :thumleft:

Snotneus op jou rug?
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on October 27, 2015, 10:31:38 am
Awesome  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Dirty Boy on October 27, 2015, 10:38:46 am
Nice one boet.

But let me remind you that I was a Technical Service Officer for Northern Logistic Command, and therefore the wellbeing of your bike fell under my command. You are invited to come to my office on Orders. Your kak is booked.  :biggrin:






PS. Brilliant photo. Also explains why your GSA has such a hard life
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 27, 2015, 10:52:33 am
So this is what you were doing while I was running my gat off in the sand :biggrin:

Just wondering incase you flipped it where would your snotneus rounds hit the tar? :eek7: ;)
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Rossdog on October 27, 2015, 11:06:28 am
Classic!!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: volroom on October 27, 2015, 11:12:45 am
lekka. respect
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 27, 2015, 11:34:46 am
Thanks everyone and yes Geelkat it is a Snotneus/ M79 40 mm grenade launcher..... one of my favorite weapons and as you can see I didn't even have my R4 with me.
Chris it was always a worry when we fell because when we were on.patrol we had all sorts of weapons and rounds on us. Luckily the Snotneus grenades only armed themselves after a couple of metres and I carried 40 on me.
James you have to catch me first lol.

Yes we did have a jol once we got to the border but I think I have pushed a bike more than anyone during our training. 2,4's pushing our bikes and pushing a couple of k's to get to our TB.
We earned our place in Bikesquad.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Tabasco on October 27, 2015, 11:39:53 am
Must have been cooler on that,than in a Samil20 .
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: EssBee on October 27, 2015, 12:42:56 pm
"escorting Swawek"....now you wheelie escorting Swambo...while on the scoot...! :biggrin: Not much has changed....
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 27, 2015, 01:07:09 pm
"escorting Swawek"....now you wheelie escorting Swambo...while on the scoot...! :biggrin: Not much has changed....

Bwaaahaaa true Simon and that's why I don't have an intercomm system.... :deal: :3some: :ricky:

Must have been cooler on that,than in a Samil20 .
It was nice Tabasco and being ops bikesquad on the border we had a standard to uphold..... as in ' how could we walk anywhere...... we were Bikesquad so HAD to ride wherever we went'... heehee lol
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Xchallenge on October 27, 2015, 02:12:59 pm
Those wheelies are very "bad ass". Nice one Badger!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 27, 2015, 02:40:18 pm
Those wheelies are very "bad ass". Nice one Badger!


Appreciate that Xchallenge and especially from a fellow wheelier :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Ortos on October 27, 2015, 04:19:11 pm
.........bliksem!  and the memories come flooding back.

I was at Okatopi in `84 & `85 Radio Operator for Bravo Twee Vier (Bike Squad) if memory serves that was our call sign.

We had a couple of guys who also had the "gift of the wheelie" - most amazing was probably Johan Gray who could wheelie for days..............

Thanks Badger,
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 27, 2015, 05:08:16 pm
.........bliksem!  and the memories come flooding back.

I was at Okatopi in `84 & `85 Radio Operator for Bravo Twee Vier (Bike Squad) if memory serves that was our call sign.

We had a couple of guys who also had the "gift of the wheelie" - most amazing was probably Johan Gray who could wheelie for days..............

Thanks Badger,

Hey big pleasure Ortos. Our platoon(13) spent 84 in Owambo land.              Section 1 - Okatopi
Section 2 - Ugongo
Section 3 - Ruacana

We were the only Bikesquad up there in 84 and platoon 14 came up when we klaared out in December 84.

Capt. Barnard was the CO at Okatopi then. He is a legend.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: AcidSam on October 27, 2015, 06:14:28 pm
Johan Gray aka Hoofseun on this forum?
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Whethefakawe on October 27, 2015, 08:54:24 pm
Excellent pics Jeff!

Bet that was quite a thrill seeing them hey. I saw some of us racing in the sand at Tsintsabis that I didn't know existed, and wouldn't you know, I was on the "grid" ........may be on that FB page, but since I'm not on FB can't say fer sure.

Somewhere out there, and I think it's in Oz, are pics of me riding kaalgat in Angola......someone had tackled me while I was standing knee-deep in a dam fishing with hand grenades......I was soaked so wore only boots, helmet, webbing and R4 while my browns, tied to my bike, streamed behind like advertising banners....everybody was laughing at me, and an oke named Larry Inglis took photos, I know ....waiting for those to pop up somewhere  :laughing4:

Seems my memory is faulty, did only pl 13 go up in Nov 83? For some reason I remembered 13 and 14 together. I have often wished that I had gone with you .....I was invited, but only wanted out of PW's puss plaas at that stage :ricky:

We never saw Okatopi.....went straight to 52 and 53 Bn......and you're right, Barnard created lots of stir....he'd gotten his arse almost shot off  as a 2Lt by standing up during a swap attack on his TB...... never struck me as a future rocket surgeon :imaposer:

Hope you're well, will come visit again in Feb probably. Ps if you talk to Mike Deglon, pls ask him to email me? Can't seem to get hold of him.

Cheers boet.

Yuri

Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 27, 2015, 10:28:25 pm
Howzit Yuri..... good hearing from you. :thumleft:

Those naked pics will surface someday and sounds like a Vietnam movie  :imaposer:
If I remember correctly there wasn't any overlap with platoon 13 and 14.

Give me a shout when you out again and all the best.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Serf on October 28, 2015, 05:54:29 am
Johan Gray aka Hoofseun on this forum?
Jip
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 28, 2015, 08:25:08 am
Thanks Serf.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Sputnik080 on October 28, 2015, 08:47:56 am
.......ATGATT !  :o :lol8: :pot:

Awesome memories Bud, well done!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 28, 2015, 09:09:58 am
.......ATGATT !  :o :lol8: :pot:

Awesome memories Bud, well done!  :thumleft:

Hahaha what is that Sputnik 080..... that pair of goggles and mouth guard I'm wearing I bought up from the states.We weren't even issued kidney belts.
Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Sputnik080 on October 28, 2015, 09:12:24 am
.......ATGATT !  :o :lol8: :pot:

Awesome memories Bud, well done!  :thumleft:

Hahaha what is that Sputnik 080..... that pair of goggles and mouth guard I'm wearing I bought up from the states.We weren't even issued kidney belts.
Thanks for reading.

I think back then your uniform was probably your ATGATT!  :lol8:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: lj111 on October 28, 2015, 10:00:13 am
Lekker pics and great wheelies The Badger :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

I can only imagine how much fun it must have been in the bike squad.  :biggrin:

 :thumleft:  
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 28, 2015, 10:22:10 am
I remember watching Brain Capper win the SA national 450 Motard race at Killarney and on his slow down lap he jumped onto the seat in the final corner and pooped it all the way through the final bit of the corner and right down the main straight. And he waved at us when he went past as we were standing and cheering.

It is even more impressive to wheelie while standing because you are not covering the back brake, which is apparently the safety stop during a wheelie  :). I saw apparently because I have never been able to get that right i.e. stop myself flipping by pressing the back brake.

Its the same as the MotoGP boys who do stand up wheelies down the main straight, again, they are not covering the back brake so it takes some real skill and ballz.





 
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 28, 2015, 01:50:46 pm
Lekker pics and great wheelies The Badger :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

I can only imagine how much fun it must have been in the bike squad.  :biggrin:

 :thumleft:  

Thanks lj111, it was very tough during our first years training but once we got to the border it relaxed a bit and we got down to doing what we were trained to do amongst trying to have some fun.

Warren Ellwood I don't use my back brake at all UNLESS I'm doing a very slow balance wheelie in 1st gear. With a 4 stroke your back mudguard can be scraping the ground and you close the throttle the engines compression will bring your front wheel down so fast you can pop your shocks.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 28, 2015, 02:28:13 pm
Mmmm, I have a sweet little 4 stroke, perhaps I should ...........................

Nope, its over, I just don't :bounce: as well as I used too.

Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 28, 2015, 02:32:19 pm
Mmmm, I have a sweet little 4 stroke, perhaps I should ...........................

Nope, its over, I just don't :bounce: as well as I used too.



I hear you about the bounce  :deal:

I have taught a few of my mates by putting them on the back with me and then explaining while I wheelie so they can see AND feel exactly what I'm doing..... I found this works the best
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Rossdog on October 28, 2015, 03:26:55 pm
Badger & the rest of the bike squad guys, do any of you remember Peter Silver?
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 28, 2015, 04:06:06 pm
Badger & the rest of the bike squad guys, do any of you remember Peter Silver?

No...... he was not in my intake -1983.
There was only about 40 selected for bikesquad per year.
30 (1 platoon) for ops.
6 for demo team.
4 for RTU's and injuries.
(If my memory serves me well)
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Rossdog on October 28, 2015, 05:34:09 pm
Badger & the rest of the bike squad guys, do any of you remember Peter Silver?

No...... he was not in my intake -1983.
There was only about 40 selected for bikesquad per year.
30 (1 platoon) for ops.
6 for demo team.
4 for RTU's and injuries.
(If my memory serves me well)

Maybe he was a year or two after you then. Thanks.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 29, 2015, 06:49:32 am
Corporal Silver? Around 1980/81 intake? I do believe that I remember him.

Any of you know the whereabouts of Charlie Holden? He was in my intake, 1979/80.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Rossdog on October 29, 2015, 07:53:32 am
Corporal Silver? Around 1980/81 intake? I do believe that I remember him.

Any of you know the whereabouts of Charlie Holden? He was in my intake, 1979/80.

Maybe, I'll find out. I suspect he is only a year or two older than me, which would make him about an '84/'85 intake. But I may be mistaken. My parents revved me when I was cold, so I've aged prematurely!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 29, 2015, 03:00:30 pm
Any of you know the whereabouts of Charlie Holden? He was in my intake, 1979/80.

Sorry Danie I don't know him..... have you tried the SWASPES and Bikesquad facebook pages?


Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Mr Zog on October 29, 2015, 03:03:43 pm
Flippen AWESOME pics Mr Badger!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:


Those bike squad boytjies were my hero's in the 80's.  :deal:  :ricky:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 29, 2015, 04:37:18 pm
Flippen AWESOME pics Mr Badger!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:


Those bike squad boytjies were my hero's in the 80's.  :deal:  :ricky:

Cheers Mr Z......... what year were you up there and where we're you based?
We had big parties and lots of vitamin b jabs at the hospital in Ruacana as it was just outside the actual military base.... good bunch of doc's, tampax tiffies and fly spy's there.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Mr Zog on October 29, 2015, 05:32:19 pm
Flippen AWESOME pics Mr Badger!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:


Those bike squad boytjies were my hero's in the 80's.  :deal:  :ricky:

Cheers Mr Z......... what year were you up there and where we're you based?
We had big parties and lots of vitamin b jabs at the hospital in Ruacana as it was just outside the actual military base.... good bunch of doc's, tampax tiffies and fly spy's there.

Lets just say I visited very regularly between 85 and 89. I wore blue in the mess, and my overall was green  ;) 

oh, and the wings went round and round  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on October 29, 2015, 06:39:33 pm
Flippen AWESOME pics Mr Badger!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:


Those bike squad boytjies were my hero's in the 80's.  :deal:  :ricky:

Cheers Mr Z......... what year were you up there and where we're you based?
We had big parties and lots of vitamin b jabs at the hospital in Ruacana as it was just outside the actual military base.... good bunch of doc's, tampax tiffies and fly spy's there.

Lets just say I visited very regularly between 85 and 89. I wore blue in the mess, and my overall was green  ;)  

oh, and the wings went round and round  :thumleft:

Aaah  our guardian angels....... thank you.
Pity I missed you in 84 as we were good mates with the Alo crews (or were you on the Puma's) and we would try and meet up in the bush and swop rides. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Mr Zog on October 29, 2015, 07:21:34 pm
 ;)    :ricky:
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Post by: The Badger on November 01, 2015, 09:34:47 am
3 more pics added of our badges and flash.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: jhbdog on November 03, 2015, 01:18:47 pm
Trevor Binnder the father of Brad the young fellow doing so well at moto 3 was in the bike squad in 80 81 I believe .
We were good mates back then and rode and wheelied everything we could get our hands on .
I rode a DR400 with some of the guys on the Osikati Ondangwa road for a few weeks at the end of my boarder time . I was a medic and those Honda's would leave me way behind it was a blast and breakfast at the air force base was good . Wow a life time ago
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 03, 2015, 02:13:46 pm
Trevor Binder was in the same intake with my brother Francois Winterbach. 1980/81.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: MiniDan on November 03, 2015, 06:32:16 pm
Anybody recognize this guy?
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 03, 2015, 08:34:23 pm
Anybody recognize this guy?

This is the guy that was sent in whenever Chuck Norris, Rambo, Terminator, Grensvegter, Wit tier, Judge Dredd, Mad Max etc. got into trouble and needed to be
saved.
I was then already known as ..............2StrokeDan. :eek7:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on November 03, 2015, 09:16:44 pm
Lekker pic of you Danie. We also had the wooden handled Galil's.
Spot the fire bucket on the handlebars.

What was under your luggage carrier ?
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 03, 2015, 10:38:39 pm
Lekker pic of you Danie. We also had the wooden handled Galil's.
Spot the fire bucket on the handlebars.

What was under your luggage carrier ?

It was a small metal box, or cubby hole type of storage place. I use to put a plastic waterbottle in there and the sun would heat the water up so much that I only needed to add
ratpack powder coffee to the water, shake and drink hot coffee. :thumleft:
That specific Galil had the words "bike squad" engraved into the wooden handle by me, and on the photo it has a 50 round magazine fitted. [for show ;)
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 1ougat on November 03, 2015, 10:59:03 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on November 03, 2015, 11:27:26 pm
Lekker pic of you Danie. We also had the wooden handled Galil's.
Spot the fire bucket on the handlebars.

What was under your luggage carrier ?

It was a small metal box, or cubby hole type of storage place. I use to put a plastic waterbottle in there and the sun would heat the water up so much that I only needed to add
ratpack powder coffee to the water, shake and drink hot coffee. :thumleft:
That specific Galil had the words "bike squad" engraved into the wooden handle by me, and on the photo it has a 50 round magazine fitted. [for show ;)

OK thanks .... we didn't have that... we just had a luggage rack that we would first strap the bloody big B52 radio then our kit.
I'm sure we got the same Galil's. .. they sure had ' Houding'.  I also loved the 50 round mag but we're hard to come by.( for show of course ;))
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2015, 08:08:39 am
Badger, I still remember vividly the pleasure of simply emptying that 50 rounder in one trigger-squirt!!

No wonder the border war cost SA a million rand per day in 1979! :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Rompie on November 04, 2015, 11:08:56 am
Anybody recognize this guy?

Kyk ou C die ou soos Tolla sou gesÍ het rof en onbeskof maak sy broek met n geel slang vas.Wat n merkwaardige pic na soveel jare,priceless my broe !!!!
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Roxtar on November 04, 2015, 11:41:34 am
I klaared first into Kroonstad with the Engineering Corps. but found the place incredibly boring ;) Then the various Spes guys came around recruiting and I could hardly believe it when the guys mentioned WHAT....BIKES  :biggrin: :thumleft: Signed up and transferred out the following week to Potch for training...... That was back in '90, all I wanted then was to go North but sadly just after completing training we were informed that no more missions up North and we would have to while aways our days in the States.......  :'( I then wished I had dropped out in 85 and joined earlier..... serious.... :'(

Must still say we had more fun than ANYBODY, and that time was some of the best......
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: heinzz on November 04, 2015, 11:50:47 am
Anybody recognize this guy?

Kyk ou C die ou soos Tolla sou gesÍ het rof en onbeskof maak sy broek met n geel slang vas.Wat n merkwaardige pic na soveel jare,priceless my broe !!!!

Thank for the pic Winters. Hierdie ou is rof, baie rof. Weet nie hoekom die ouens nie hulle BMs verkoop en ophou om hom the chirp nie. :laughing4: :pot:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2015, 12:09:42 pm
Anybody recognize this guy?

Kyk ou C die ou soos Tolla sou gesÍ het rof en onbeskof maak sy broek met n geel slang vas.Wat n merkwaardige pic na soveel jare,priceless my broe !!!!

Thank for the pic Winters. Hierdie ou is rof, baie rof. Weet nie hoekom die ouens nie hulle BMs verkoop en ophou om hom the chirp nie. :laughing4: :pot:

Vra jy! Ek sal moet begin optree. :imaposer:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Tiger8 on November 04, 2015, 12:26:31 pm
Lekker pic of you Danie. We also had the wooden handled Galil's.
Spot the fire bucket on the handlebars.

What was under your luggage carrier ?

That was Danies BMW Recovery Gear .........  :peepwall: :pot:

 :lol8:

Great pics guys, respect you "Old Boy's" can ride, not just type about it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: MiniDan on November 04, 2015, 12:46:19 pm
Anybody recognize this guy?

Kyk ou C die ou soos Tolla sou gesÍ het rof en onbeskof maak sy broek met n geel slang vas.Wat n merkwaardige pic na soveel jare,priceless my broe !!!!

Ja Rormpie,

Kan nie glo dat ons so gelukkig was om hierdie foto te ontdek nie. Sal reel dat hy op kom hier na ons toe, dan gaan ry ons so bietjie...

Priceless indeed and what a legend...  :)
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on November 04, 2015, 01:43:48 pm
Anybody recognize this guy?

Kyk ou C die ou soos Tolla sou gesÍ het rof en onbeskof maak sy broek met n geel slang vas.Wat n merkwaardige pic na soveel jare,priceless my broe !!!!

Ja Rormpie,

Kan nie glo dat ons so gelukkig was om hierdie foto te ontdek nie. Sal reel dat hy op kom hier na ons toe, dan gaan ry ons so bietjie...

Priceless indeed and what a legend...  :)

 :thumleft: and flosses with razor wire and gargles with 97.

That was a pity hey Roxstar because it was so good to get out of Potch once on ops you can really have fun.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Ortos on November 04, 2015, 02:11:17 pm
Hey Badger, would it be okay to hi-jack your thread and post some Bike Squad pics - still have a couple in a box in the garage?

Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: The Badger on November 04, 2015, 02:15:15 pm
Hey Badger, would it be okay to hi-jack your thread and post some Bike Squad pics - still have a couple in a box in the garage?


Of course Ortos...... gooi the more the merrier. :thumleft: Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: New Bikesquad Wheelie pic's found after 29 Years!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on November 04, 2015, 04:40:03 pm
Well now it all makes sense. No wonder we battle to get Dan to wear a neck brace  :peepwall:.

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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2015, 05:23:28 pm
Well now it all makes sense. No wonder we battle to get Dan to wear a neck brace  :peepwall:.

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Post by: The Badger on November 04, 2015, 05:45:02 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Wherethefuckarewe has a pic of him kaalgat except for boots, Spes webbing and rifle with his wet browns tied to his bike flapping behind as he rides..... classic. He is trying to find it.

Is there anybody here that was in Bikesquad( or any other unit) based at Ruacana in 85 ?
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Post by: The Badger on November 04, 2015, 06:36:02 pm
My section just before Ruacana.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2015, 08:09:15 pm
And the whole section is wheelying......... :imaposer:

I like, I like it a lot!

Badger, to think that in our days those XR's were the mean machines!!  How pap it is'nt compared to today's big singles??  :imaposer:
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Post by: GSBoland on November 04, 2015, 08:16:45 pm
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Post by: Hondsekierie on November 04, 2015, 08:29:27 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Wherethefuckarewe has a pic of him kaalgat except for boots, Spes webbing and rifle with his wet browns tied to his bike flapping behind as he rides..... classic. He is trying to find it.

Is there anybody here that was in Bikesquad( or any other unit) based at Ruacana in 85 ?

That could be Johan Gray's (Hoofseun) year - maybe PM him as I don't think he is that active on the forum anymore

Just love this thread, so lekker to discover pics of one's younger years and reliving the olden days

Jy't nogal na n dikstert gelyk Danie, Grensvegter se moer :thumleft:
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Post by: The Badger on November 04, 2015, 08:30:46 pm
I know Danie.... Mental :deal:
And I never needed more really..... how about you guys ?

If only we had pics of some of the shenanigans hey Danie?

We're you ever at Otavi when the wolves escaped...... bwahaha

Thanks Hondsekierie I will give him a shout because if he was I feel sorry because we caused a bit of kak and had to make a duck quickly.

It is also very nice to chat to other bikesquad guys from different intakes as we never overlapped during our 2 years.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2015, 09:35:23 pm
I have never been to the Otavi camp, I did my full 18months using Swaspes Oshivello as a base. I klaared out in December 1980, and my brother Francois, also in BikeSquad,
made the move camp and all down to Otavi.

If we had pictures, or better videos, they'd go viral on Youtube! :thumleft: It was a parallel universe!
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 08:28:20 am
These pics are general bikesquad pics of various intakes.

Enjoy
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Post by: raffie on November 05, 2015, 09:51:09 am
A friend of mine Robin Spence was in the bike squad, I think he was there around the same time as 2SD. He's in PE and is a WD member, he's seldom on the forum though. I don't know his forum name.

You guys should arrange a get together, sound like theres quite a few of you around still...... :peepwall: ;) ;D
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Post by: Karel Kat on November 05, 2015, 09:53:04 am
Great pics, Badger. Priceless pic of Grensvegter Daan too. Respect to all.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 05, 2015, 12:27:03 pm
A friend of mine Robin Spence was in the bike squad, I think he was there around the same time as 2SD. He's in PE and is a WD member, he's seldom on the forum though. I don't know his forum name.

You guys should arrange a get together, sound like theres quite a few of you around still...... :peepwall: ;) ;D

Robin Spence was in my intake, and I have been to see him once in PE.
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Post by: raffie on November 05, 2015, 01:12:20 pm
A friend of mine Robin Spence was in the bike squad, I think he was there around the same time as 2SD. He's in PE and is a WD member, he's seldom on the forum though. I don't know his forum name.

You guys should arrange a get together, sound like theres quite a few of you around still...... :peepwall: ;) ;D

Robin Spence was in my intake, and I have been to see him once in PE.

I meant more along the lines of you ex bike squad guys should organise your own get together/bash thing while there's still so many of you around, time flies......
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 01:47:55 pm
A friend of mine Robin Spence was in the bike squad, I think he was there around the same time as 2SD. He's in PE and is a WD member, he's seldom on the forum though. I don't know his forum name.

You guys should arrange a get together, sound like theres quite a few of you around still...... :peepwall: ;) ;D

Robin Spence was in my intake, and I have been to see him once in PE.

I meant more along the lines of you ex bike squad guys should organise your own get together/bash thing while there's still so many of you around, time flies......

You are right Raffie. ... we should and it would be a hellaver get together.
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 01:49:38 pm
Great pics, Badger. Priceless pic of Grensvegter Daan too. Respect to all.

Cheers Karel Kat....... and yes that pic of 2SD is classic. :thumleft:
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Post by: Hoofseun on November 05, 2015, 06:12:25 pm
 Hi Serf and Hondsekierie,thanxs for drawing.my attention to this post.

Badger, such a great experience.for such good memories to resurface.

Yip, was at Okatopi from Dec 84 to Dec 85.

Keep the front-end light!!!
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 06:33:05 pm
Howzit Hoofseun....for sure awesome memories. I have read your posts from Bikesquad.....very lekker.
Did you have Capt Barnard as Okatopi OC. Did you ever meet Patrick Devy ?
We were lucky to get sent to Ruacana which was a holiday compared to Okatopi.
Please gooi some pics when possible.
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Post by: Hoofseun on November 05, 2015, 06:51:52 pm
Yatti or Capt Barnard was our Coy Cmdr at Okatopi. I have met Patrick Devy at some stage in my career in Defence Force.

Will see what photos I can find.  See attached....
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 07:14:37 pm
Lekker pics ..... keep them coming. Thanks.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 05, 2015, 07:55:05 pm
Okatopi and Miershoop were the two bases along the Oshivello to Ondangwa road, right? I am a bit vague here, but one of the was right on the main road, and there was this big
Boabab tree right by the entrance.

Once we were ballasbakking and Lemmer Visser[1980/81] put his army mattress on one of the broad horisontal trunks of this Boabab, and he was relaxing in style when
a DC3 Dakota came flying at just above tree-top level, and as it approached from Ondangwa's side, it seemed so low that Lemmer fell out of the tree mattress and all.
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 05, 2015, 07:56:10 pm
Massive respect to you guys. Ortos, where r those pics you were going to scan? :deal:
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Post by: The Badger on November 05, 2015, 08:12:16 pm
Thanks BB  :thumleft:

Yes Dan it was just those two bases between Oshivello and Ondangwa.

We were on our way from Oshivello to Oshakati, a whole bikesquad platoon which was very lekker and we stopped in Muirshoop for fuel.
When we pulled out everyone that Could wheelie did.... and one of the last guys flipped....in front of the whole camp that was on the sand walls watching us leave........ lol We cringed. :xxbah:

In the second pic you can see my peroxided stripe in my hair.... we did that the night we left for the border and got into so much kak heehee most of the platoon had some peroxide in their hair...... the pf''s called us f ING Ducktails. ..... too funny.
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Post by: chopperpilot on November 05, 2015, 08:50:23 pm
Quite a rebel, hey Badger! 🙀

GT stripe on your head!😉

Awesome pics! Keep them coming!👍


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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 05, 2015, 09:59:15 pm
Quote from: The Badger link=topic=182247.msg3400059# :bueller:msg3400059 date=1446704900
These pics are general bikesquad pics of various intakes.

Enjoy

 :imaposer: Man what a way to lighten up my morning......the last three are some of my pics, all of pl 12.....and I know the names of each and every oke in them ......first one was Johnnie Welsh, and as can be imagined, quite a story behind the turban on his head   :laughing4:

I just got back from a short trip to Oz, stayed with my Durban mate John Alexander in Brisbane who was in my platoon at Oudtshoorn in 1980 and then went to bike squad with. He was pl 10's pl sergeant until he got badly fecked up in a crash....broke both arms, and bashed his face in.....I have a photo of him before he was casevaced......hilarious   :laughing4: Besides Piston Pete on here, between John and me we still have contact with a few okes from that platoon.....they were July 80 intake.

2SD, jissis china you looked ..........dange-roos  :laughing4: I missed you by a month, I got to BS on 5 Jan 1981, on the very day that Piet Swanepoel was killed .......Patrick always talked about you  and your brother....wasn't he a loot? And do you remember Nicky Basson? He was a two-pipper,  from your intake I believe.....I have contact with him, he lived in NZ (Oz?) for a long time but is back in SA now, Nelspruit if I'm not mistaken.

Btw.....that box under the rear carrier was intended to carry an A53 radio. Just like the bung-bars and bashplates off a Tiger Tank that were mounte to the old XL350's and then the bigwheel XR's, severe misunderstandings of the terrain and mission by some well-meaning engineer or tiffie somewhere  :laughing4:

We carried 50- round magazines on our R4's, and 35-round ones in the webbing, bigger one didn't fit......problem with the big one was, if you loaded it to 50 the R4 would jam because the spring wasn't strong enough......we soon figured out that 45 rounds were the max you could rely on. With three or so tracers, loaded five or so from the bottom  :biggrin:

I am now really going to intensify my efforts to track down Larry in Oz and get those obscene pics from him :imaposer:

Thanks for the giggle
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 05, 2015, 10:09:06 pm
I just hooked up with one of my old section leaders from pl 12 after 33 years....he is a bigshot at Caterpillar in the US....I'm hearing many stories I remember, from his perspective......very funny  :laughing4:
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Post by: Karel Kat on November 06, 2015, 06:05:11 am
Okatopi and Miershoop were the two bases along the Oshivello to Ondangwa road, right? I am a bit vague here, but one of the was right on the main road, and there was this big
Boabab tree right by the entrance.

The one with the massive boabob was Okatopi. Some history attached to the tree but I can't remember.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2015, 06:41:48 am
Well, perhaps it is time for a Bike Squad Bash?

I have recently spoken, via telephone, to both Murray Hoffman and Leon van Jaarsveld and what a lovely bit of nostalgia it evoked!  I would love a Bike Squad get-together,
just to reminisce as my memory is not that great.
When you find yourself in a group discussion, it is amazing how memory comes back and you can re-arrange your position in a life 40 years ago.
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Post by: ThomasT on November 06, 2015, 12:43:27 pm
I was Demo Team in 87 & 88 for his sins or was it ours not to sure   :biggrin: Patrick Devy was in charge of keeping usin line 
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Post by: Dish on November 06, 2015, 01:06:59 pm
Hey Congrats to all, its an awesome thread.

Looks like you okes had a fantastic time when the bikes were running LOL, I heard, and it may be incorrect that your "opF..ks" were with a 500R that had to be pushed.
Us normal okes had rifle PT, you okes had push bike PT.... is that correct. Can anyone share some Basics stories of life in the bike squad before you were let loose on the terrs?/
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Post by: dirtyXT on November 06, 2015, 01:19:36 pm
this is next level awesome, so lucky and unlucky to have these kinds of memories/experiences. I was 1 years old when you lot were doing this shit. thanks, grateful and green with envy. my late teens was safe and boring.
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Post by: The Badger on November 06, 2015, 05:56:23 pm
Well, perhaps it is time for a Bike Squad Bash?

When you find yourself in a group discussion, it is amazing how memory comes back and you can re-arrange your position in a life 40 years ago.

I think that is a great idea.... let's pick a central place , set a date and see who pitches up . :deal:

I was Demo Team in 87 & 88 for his sins or was it ours not to sure   :biggrin: Patrick Devy was in charge of keeping usin line  
Nice one Thomas T and you were privileged to have Patrick Devy as he is a true legend. I am still in contact with him on Facebook. Do you know about the SWASPES and SADF Bikesquad Facebook pages?

Howzit Dish..... that is very true about us pushing our bikes. Like the infantry guys when chased around that yonder tree...... we had to do it with our bikes as well as 2,4's and 5 km runs. We were also supposed to eat at about 17h00 and then push our bikes a couple of k's to where we were supposed to make TB, temporary base. That really was KAK.
We did hectic basics then weapons training then bike course then coin ops on foot and the did it again on bikes then a basic trackers course in Otavi then a mine detection( not sure the name)course at the Sappers camp in Oshakati and only then were we deployed.
Our years training was hectic a quite a few guys applied to leave but we're turned down and we're told that they volunteered so the must suck it up. :deal: They cought use sneaking out of our TB during Tuinops to go get water and gave us such an op fok that if they hadn't taken all our ammo before I would have shot someone for sure..... I nearly cracked.

Dan, did you see the big Boabab in Ombalantu which had a little church inside and could seat about 4 people and had an alter?

this is next level awesome, so lucky and unlucky to have these kinds of memories/experiences. I was 1 years old when you lot were doing this shit. thanks, grateful and green with envy. my late teens was safe and boring.

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. :thumleft:
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Post by: The Badger on November 06, 2015, 09:05:24 pm
I got this pic off the SWASPES page. Thanks Barry. :thumleft:
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Post by: Dish on November 07, 2015, 12:42:23 am
Hey badger,,

Therein lies the problem..  :pot:.. I guess so many okes  (myself included) wanted to be in order of ranking, a bike squad oke (cos we were all brilliant on bikes in our teens) ... or a navy diver, or a pilot perhaps even a lowly sniper.

Was only when they gave you a hefty 500R and told you that you couldn't ride to potch for a local pomp that it started dawning on you that a 500R was a bit heavier than an R1. and you were in it for the long haul. Ya had ta push that beast.,... same way they never gave us ammo... they never gave you petrol.

Big respect - awesome thread lads... keep it coming...
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Post by: gser on November 07, 2015, 07:55:09 am
Yatti or Capt Barnard was our Coy Cmdr at Okatopi. I have met Patrick Devy at some stage in my career in Defence Force.

Will see what photos I can find.  See attached....

Fiks en vars , nie te se dit is nie die geval vandag nie !
LOL !
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Post by: The Badger on November 10, 2015, 10:59:14 am
This pic is what's left of the bike, rider and equipment after triggering a an AP mine that was on top of an anti tank mine.
What is left of his rifle, which was on his back, is on top missing the stock, pistol grip, hand grips and dust cover.
RIP Swannie.
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Post by: kwagga-sakkie on November 10, 2015, 06:05:36 pm
Lekker badger. Nice to see all those pics.As the guys says, all the memories come back with those pics.
I arived at Okatope from infantery school in Oudtshoorn with some berede guys, it was december "
"86
SWA Spes bike squad and berede squads left for Otavi and we stayed with berede(horse squads)
Our commander and RSM were twins, Jan and ??? Red heads, originally from Potch berede. ,forget there surname. Yati, Major Barnard was in Ondangwa 2Ib at 53 bn.
We had a bikesquad made up on new Xr 500's, and did some escourts etc thru ovamboland up to Ruacana. Once for a group of BMW riders.
I was with the horses but often had bike duty etc.
Lt Duif, Wehmeyer etc was in the bikesquad at Okatope.
Did they end the bikesquads active duties when they returned to Otavi in early "87?
Kortdiens guys that stayed over at Okatope from 86 were Cpl Mostert , Lange..
We stayed at Okatope till July and then became a reaction force (tracking teams) with 101 troops for 53 bn intelligence.
they then took our horses and bikes away. imagine the opfok pushing a horse!
Any guys out there from this time?
Keep it coming!
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Post by: The Badger on November 10, 2015, 07:14:50 pm
Nice one Kwagga-sakkie........ thanks and sounds like you had the best of both worlds. Did you apply for Berede at Infantry school and how was it when you arrived at Okatopi?
I'm not sure when the bikes stopped ops up north perhaps someone here will know. I know one intake did some patrolling on the Swaziland border but not sure which year.

Post some pics if you have.
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Post by: The Badger on November 10, 2015, 07:19:04 pm
This is the certificate we got after doing the bike course/faze.

This is a very good mate of mine's, Aubrey Kavanagh, as I have lost mine unfortunately sniff sniff  >:(
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Post by: Rossdog on November 11, 2015, 05:06:50 am
I envy you guys so much. I wish I could have done this. Instead I ended up being a Regimental Instructor based at Boston.
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Post by: Pure-orange on November 11, 2015, 07:48:17 am
Badger pm Lurker he has some awsome pics from the bike squad time...
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Post by: The Badger on November 11, 2015, 08:37:47 am
Badger pm Lurker he has some awsome pics from the bike squad time...

Thanks..... will do.
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Post by: Dirty Boy on November 11, 2015, 10:16:04 am
This is the certificate we got after doing the bike course/faze.

This is a very good mate of mine's, Aubrey Kavanagh, as I have lost mine unfortunately sniff sniff  >:(

Just what I suspected Jeff. Look at point 3. You are not qualified to ride on a public road.   :biggrin:
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Post by: kwagga-sakkie on November 11, 2015, 10:36:19 am
Yes, We applied to go to berede as instructors for the "87 intake. Ariving a little late at Potch gave us no other option than to be posted to Ovamboland immediately. Finishing ou JL's @ infantery school we expected at least a more enjoyable Christmas  an December in Sivvie street, alas, I spend it in Kaokoland somewhere riding horses protecting powerlines at night!
Those 2 Brothers were Kapt. and SM Truter
Will see if there are any pics worth posting!
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Post by: The Badger on November 11, 2015, 11:00:55 am
This is the certificate we got after doing the bike course/faze.

This is a very good mate of mine's, Aubrey Kavanagh, as I have lost mine unfortunately sniff sniff  >:(

Just what I suspected Jeff. Look at point 3. You are not qualified to ride on a public road.   :biggrin:

Haha James that's what fran chirps as well. We actually  were issued DR 500's for a couple of days and got our military road licences after riding around Potch girls high school a thousand times. Lol
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Post by: lurker on November 11, 2015, 12:31:22 pm
Bike squad 1978 and 79 will get my photos together and post soon
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Post by: The Badger on November 11, 2015, 01:25:39 pm
Bike squad 1978 and 79 will get my photos together and post soon

Superb.......Patrick Devy was same intake if I'm not mistaken?
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 11, 2015, 11:49:57 pm
Patrick was July 79 intake, then after his 2 years ended in July 81 he joined PF and went to Oudtshoorn, I'm pretty sure he was E coy there ie. July as well....we first met when I returned from Ovamboland in Jan 82.

Man, this is perking up my days  :laughing4: I remember the "rooi moere" Truter twins,  I think it was Jan who became an officer, they were both sergeants/staffs when I knew them....we were not mates, corporals and PF staff sergeants never were  :imaposer:   but old Jan wasn't a bad egg....he was in horses, so only knew him semi-socially.

Anybody remember sergeant NAGEL? You know....short, blonde, slope-shouldered, no neck, sloping forehead, blonde walrus moustache,dumb as a bag of hammers, lived to ass-creep the RSM?  :imaposer: I remember him fondly, shame he was SO easy to manipulate and confuse, not being a rocket surgeon and all.....I'd been assigned to horses at Oudtshoorn before we left there, but soon bitterly regretted my choice....I hate horses, one kicked at me when I was a lightie....and some quick thinking while checking in with Nagel landed me in bikes....talk about a life-changing moment  :laughing4: I actually saw his name somewhere, in later years he was some or other RSM.

Barnard's full handle was "Yati Spider" for a reason I'll tell some time.....must just refresh the memory with my mate in Joburg so I don't perpetuate the myth ..... it was NOT a complimentary nickname as you may guess  :laughing4:

Jeff - as far as I know, platoon 14 was the last real Potch-trained bike squad platoon, around 1984 2 SWASPES was formed, made up purely of SWA locals, ie. mostly Ovanbos etc. They had bikes too, how and what they did I have no clue, but I know they had a fatality too, they went jaaging down the tar road out of some camp one night and one of the section leaders didn't put his helmet on, he hit something (donkey?) and crashed and smashed his skull.

Patrick trained some indigenii in Poth later, 85-87 when he was BS CO....will ask him the details, just remember some of his stories about riding around south of Joburg....hilarious
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 12, 2015, 12:29:54 am
 "not being a rocket surgeon"   :patch:  :lol8: WTFRWE - are you PUI bud?  ;)

This is such an amazing thread, I reckon it should be stickied. So it has been.

Please keep it coming guys - amazing stuff to for those of us who were not there. :notworthy:
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Post by: The Badger on November 12, 2015, 07:22:49 am
Thanks Yuri...... very interesting.

We caused a bit of kak in Ruacana and came back to Otavi 6 weeks early and 5 of us were chosen to train 2 sections of local SWA Gebiedsmag on riding bikes...... what a nightmare. These guys couldn't even ride bicycles ffs. We took them up to Rundu for thick sand riding. I have never had to pick up and start so many bikes in one day .....eeish.

Yuri please tell us more about Barnard.
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Post by: The Badger on November 12, 2015, 07:23:55 am
"not being a rocket surgeon"   :patch:  :lol8: WTFRWE - are you PUI bud?  ;)

This is such an amazing thread, I reckon it should be stickied. So it has been.

Please keep it coming guys - amazing stuff to for those of us who were not there. :notworthy:

Thanks BB  :thumleft:
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Post by: Pistol on November 12, 2015, 02:18:55 pm
I was based at "Berede" or Equestrian Centre as us Souties called it for my two years 86 and 87 - signals, so no first hand bike squad exposure - but used to bugger around with the guys. Patrick Devy became Adjudant just before I left in December 87 - think he was promoted to Captain then, the CO was Commandant Ackerman if I remember and the RSM short little fat guy Van Tonder. who could only speak in a high pitched voice when shouting orders - funny guy who was really irritated by this soutie who only ever played sport on wednesdays and the week-ends and was always on pass and never available for guard/signal duty albeit legit and signed off by the NW command. Old Major was in charge of the horsey side of things and lived on the property next to the guard hut/gate, making it difficult to sneak the car out without being noticed.

Wonder if those pre-fab accomodation/ablutions are still standing???

Good times :thumleft:
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Post by: charlesvh on November 12, 2015, 03:02:47 pm
I was in Rundu in 85. Signals. We also had a XR500RE. But it was for a troep to fetch mail in Rundu town. He was very protected over that bike. Think his name was Mickey. I took it for a spin once and he was quite upset about it. Was fun though.
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Post by: The Badger on November 12, 2015, 10:36:05 pm
@ Pistol..... I don't know most of those PF's.

Patrick Devy is a legend and the camp OC was Kmdt Stark...a horse guy and also a legend in his own right. He klaared on a horse for kicking a Landrover and was sentenced to a week of pulling the the rubbish trailer.....  :imaposer: :imaposer:
I also wonder about the bungalows. Bikesquad had the last 3 right at the end in the sticks. We were blamed for everything that went wrong in the camp. All we heard was...Dit is daai blerrie bikesquad Ducktails se skuld.  :imaposer:

@ Charlesvh. .... yes there were quite a few XR's floating around used by various people but we were the only operational bikes.

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Post by: The Badger on November 12, 2015, 10:56:08 pm
Question to the Bikesquad guys:

Did you ever take a chance and ride on red roads without it being swept ??
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2015, 06:15:35 am
We would probably not have ridden on a "red" road knowingly, but the way we fumbled about we did quite possibly rode them unknowingly. :imaposer:

We were on a 2/3 week ops in Southern Angola, and were led by Capt. Winterbach and getting lost. It carried on like this for quite some time before someone realised that
he is taking compass readings on the steel tank of his XR500.
Our 60mm mortarist was Wayne Hitge, the friendly giant, and each of our section would carry two mortar bombs in our webbing. It was on this same ops that sarge Blackie
Swart lost a finger or two in a 81mm mortar incident. Our camp command saw fit to train 3 of us on the 81mm pipe, and send it along with us in our support Buffel.
We hit contact, and in support of some infantry group, we whipped out our 81 and laat looi. We got a "hanging bomb", which is when the pipe gets too hot, and the bomb seals too
well in the bore that it does not go down fast enough for the tail charge to detonate. Someone forgot to put on the safety[retractable firing pin] and when Blackie dropped the bomb extractor, the extra weight just pushed the bomb down that last bit and it came flying out, the extractor rope tangled in Blackie's fingers and took some off.
He was quite calm about this, and told us to see if we can find his fingers. I still told him it's probably in Luanda by then. :eek7:
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Post by: The Badger on November 13, 2015, 12:28:21 pm
 :imaposer: Classic.

There were a couple of times we took a gamble and rode on red roads to save time. Hairy for sure. :deal: :ricky:

Not sure what platoon is in this pic.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 13, 2015, 06:31:00 pm
"not being a rocket surgeon"   :patch:  :lol8: WTFRWE - are you PUI bud?  ;)

This is such an amazing thread, I reckon it should be stickied. So it has been.

Please keep it coming guys - amazing stuff to for those of us who were not there. :notworthy:

 :laughing4: no, why? haven't had a beer in ......oh, ten days? I'm seeing a doctor soon though, so don't worry.

All the REALLY clever people in this world become rocket surgeons or brain scientists, haven't you heard?
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 13, 2015, 07:08:06 pm
Thanks Yuri...... very interesting.

We caused a bit of kak in Ruacana and came back to Otavi 6 weeks early and 5 of us were chosen to train 2 sections of local SWA Gebiedsmag on riding bikes...... what a nightmare. These guys couldn't even ride bicycles ffs. We took them up to Rundu for thick sand riding. I have never had to pick up and start so many bikes in one day .....eeish.

Yuri please tell us more about Barnard.

 :laughing4: yes, teaching a bronze-age mentality to ride a motorbike must have been frustrating....and hilarious. One of the stories Patrick told me, they were south of Joburg somewhere, near the Doornkop miltary base....him and a pl sergeant with a platoon of non-reflectives .... something happened, one of them crashed and ended up pinned to the front wheel by his R4 and the rest of the bike spinning around him with the throttle on the ground, wide open.......they couldn't get near him, and he was screaming.....of course the way he tells it is much more amusing  :laughing4:

LT Barnard, as I knew him, was Ops Wing 2IC when I got to Potch...always walked around with cut-off short sleeve brown shirts, contrary to PF dress regulations ( they BEKAKKED themselves if you cut off sleeves, ask me how I know) to show off the scars on his upper arm he supposedly got in a heroic fight in the bush....caused by shrapnel. Ja, whatever......my encounters with him were fairly neutral, but my mates in ops wing had lots of stories of tantrums, opfoks and PF behaviour  :laughing4:

I heard many stories of him from Okatope, when he was on a seriaas a-hole streak.......same thing, screaming, opfoks, parades, mowing the sand, etc.....

The story about his scars were, his platoon TB just inside Angola had been attacked at first light by a big group of swaps (this was in '79 or '80) .....he got wounded in the arm while doing something heroic.......then, later, the story got embellished and twisted into, they took heavy casualties, and the gunship pilot who came out to help, found him crawling back into SWA across the "Yati" which was the colloquial name for a section of the cutline north of Tsintsabis, to the best of my knowledge......the gunship crew said he looked like a spider, ergo...."Yati Spider".

This BS is even now floating around on the internet about how a horse platoon was completely wiped out by swaps, and the only survivor crawled back into SWA "like an insect"  :imaposer: seriously, it's out there.....I saw it not 6 months ago on some wannabe-steely-eyed-killer website......

Well, my friend JB, who was a "senior" corporal when me and my "roof" corporal mates arrived in January 81, and who initially despised us...and ME  :imaposer: knew the real story. He worked for Military Intelligence at various times, not 100% sure how he found out, but he is not the GV-hero type...... cynical type, not easily fooled. JB told me that yes, BICYCLE (2Lt) Barnard's platoon HAD been attacked inside Angola, and it was hairy for a while, but ..........he was not the only survivor, but the only CASUALTY because he stood up in the middle of the firefight in search of some GV glory ....."go on, boys, CHAAAARGE, I'm right behind you!" type of thing...... :laughing4:

And that's how he ended up with scars on his arm.....

The way I remember him, he was not a rocket surgeon either....funny thing that, not many PF's were  :laughing4:  
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 13, 2015, 07:28:49 pm
:imaposer: Classic.

There were a couple of times we took a gamble and rode on red roads to save time. Hairy for sure. :deal: :ricky:

Not sure what platoon is in this pic.

Not pl 12, I'm sure....may be 11.

Old Peter Stark was quite a man....he was a (in)famous? poacher in SWA who always foxed the law....and then someone got clever and realised he could be very valuable to the army so he was conscripted as a Commandant  :laughing4:

He was a nice old bullet, was OC of Riding Wing and was on his own mission ....he spoke German, a little Afrikaans and NO english   :laughing4: .....didn't have a saak with the army, just cared about horses....another story was, he once punched a horse that wouldn't listen and knocked it out cold.....supposedly he had a vicious temper when provoked, which I believed.

His wife worked in the HQ as a secretary....nice enough old frau, but she didn't shave her legs.....used to freak us out when we saw her walking around with her OEM legwarmers .....and two of his blonde aryan sons were my peers and drinking buddies, one was a corporal and one a 2Lt....one of his daughters also worked there in some capacity, on the horsey side....she was a two-bagger, but had that typical German-girl arse and legs to die for ....she always walked around in those skin-tight riding breeches and caused much distraction  :laughing4: He had quite a variety of children, had 7 or 8 I believe....oldest was the 2Lt, he was 21 or so, and also had a 2-year old running around with his wife  :laughing4:

He died just recently, was something like 96 years old. An unforgettable character.
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Post by: The Badger on November 14, 2015, 09:36:49 pm
Thanks for that Yuri  :thumleft:

On Wednesday's there was sports parade. A group of us decided to do something different being bikesquad and all lol.
We drove through to the skydiving club in Klerksdorp and did a couple of jumps with old round chutes.
A mate of mine impersonated another mate who had done the course and we just gave him a bit of a briefing and he went and jumped.....  Graydon had big balls and he is still doing well in WFO Enduro's and the roof. Keeping the Bikesquad name high.

A mate of mines certificate as I have lost mine. Thanks Tony.
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Post by: gser on November 15, 2015, 11:09:17 am
 Dan, wie was betrokke met Kriek 1 en Kriek 2 se evaluasie o.a. Riemvasmaak en ander plekke ?
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Post by: The Badger on November 15, 2015, 06:36:34 pm
Dan, wie was betrokke met Kriek 1 en Kriek 2 se evaluasie o.a. Riemvasmaak en ander plekke ?

Good question..... I would also like to know.

More pics from the Bikesquad archives.

I was in ops bikes with about 32 other guys but about 5 guys were were chosen for the DEMO TEAM. These guys had such a jol and unlimited chicks. We were very envious  :deal:

We had our jol on the border.
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Post by: Geel Kat on November 15, 2015, 06:42:08 pm
Great photos of a very different (and great in its own way) time  :thumleft:

I do have a question for oom Danie...

Why is it that the only time I see the guys sitting on their bikes is at standstill, when they ride they stand?

Does it have something to to with CoG perhaps?

 :peepwall:

@Badger - that certificate from the Stilfontein Skydiving Club - still have mine.

Wednesday sport parade I used to go there, do a jump or two and then braai with the civvies before going back to camp.

Was not in bike squad though, was a kanondonkie doing JL's at School of Artillery before a border stint.
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Post by: gser on November 15, 2015, 07:07:42 pm
Dan, wie was betrokke met Kriek 1 en Kriek 2 se evaluasie o.a. Riemvasmaak en ander plekke ?

Good question..... I would also like to know.

More pics from the Bikesquad archives.

I was in ops bikes with about 32 other guys but about 5 guys were were chosen for the DEMO TEAM. These guys had such a jol and unlimited chicks. We were very envious  :deal:

We had our jol on the border.
Mooi, its years ago, those co-evaluaters are still here.
 Or are they not on this chatroom
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Post by: Andyman on November 15, 2015, 11:20:28 pm
Dam.
I was never allowed near the two wheeled version, was much happier on the 4x4 version of Berede.

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Post by: Andyman on November 15, 2015, 11:25:45 pm
Dunno whihc was more fun  or more effective the bike or the horse mounted berede...
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 16, 2015, 03:45:14 am
 :imaposer: Jeff....those old demo team pics are from 80-81 I believe.....I am fairly sure the oke standing on the bike facing the camera, behind the rider right, is Rob Larney......I have a connection or two who will be able to ID some more, will send to them. Those "Hell on Wheels" T-shirts were made just before I got there, try as I did, couldn't wangle one because I wasn't one of that specific circle.  :biggrin:

I was there when you got that skydiving certificate, dunno if you remember that. Patrick came up with the idea, and I actually went with the first time or two, ran out of money after the ground training session because of my MX habit at the time......never did get to jump! Watched you okes do it though, I wanna say I watched YOU do your 1st one......Tony Foster too  :laughing4:

Re. The Krieks testing etc......in March 1983, Patrick and I were sent with the demo team at that time, to go do the official testing programme at that testing track near Hartbeespoort Dam, nowadays it's called Gerotek, back then it was a military installation. Armscor had built it, I believe, to test vehicles, specifically the new generation of mineproof APC's and the Samil trucks. I went for my first ever hard-core 4x4 ride there.....scary shite, those Armscor okes knew the Samil 20 very well.. ...... :laughing4:....incredibly capable vehicle, btw

The testing crew was:
Patrick Devy, MMWC
Moi, newly-promoted sergeant  and vice-MMWC
Mike Deglon
Patrick O'Keefe
Albrecht Albers
Bruce McKellar, known as Mackie.....died in a car accident about four years ago, soon after I'd spoken to him on the phone for the first time in 25 years....a great shame, he was a GOOD oke.
Andre Potgieter, "Pottie" a pro bike mechanic and Demo Team's main spannerman.
Ockie Pretorius, a Potch bike gang hooligan, I believe he is in jail now  :laughing4:
Ironically, one of the previous year's ops platoon 12 troops who lived in Krugersdorp and actually worked for the oke who thought up the Kriek, Felix. Can't remember his name now, he disappeared out of the platoon while in Ovamboland, no idea why....turns out he was a much better rider than he'd let on while in BS  :laughing4:

We spent three weeks testing the bikes, the army had put out a tender or whatever you call it, for any interested party to send bikes to the testing session with the intent of picking the future bikes. Honda, in the form of MIDMACOR, the importers, sent two XR 500's, one stock and one with two rear wheels......ie. 19- inchers front and back, the idea being that it would cut down on logistic support requirements.
Here's a list of the bikes we tested:
2 Honda XR 500 R's
yamaha XT 550
Suzuki DR 500
Montessa 200? "military bike", dark green, two stroke
Montessa trials bike  :laughing4:
Suzuki quad, smallish engine, 250 maybe?
2 KRIEK custom-built bikes....600cc Rotax motors in flat-tracker frames, with 19-inch wheels front and rear too.....same parts supply idea.

We spent two weeks at the test track, then a week at Riemvasmaak. The idea was to ride the bikes till they broke, then Armscor would fix them with new OEM parts, and that's how they would calculate reliability, cost etc.

The Montessa kakked first, the 2-stroke seized after a few days......the trails bike was used as a toy, not really a serious contender :laughing4:
The XT 550 died next, then the DR500. The little quad was also just a toy, not really a serious option.

The main "competition" was between the XR's and the Krieks. Ron Wood, a famous (in the flattracking world) bike builder/team owner from California, built the Krieks after being contracted by an oke named Felix, who was partners with Gavin Murphy's dad in a company called OFF-HIGHWAY-EQUIPMENT. They had started in the grader/bulldozer industry, but later started  building Buffels for the army.......it made them very wealthy.

Shit.....memories are flooding back....maybe I should write down everything I remember about this topic.....I do have probably 200 photos of the testng programme, in fact I visited Ron Wood a few years ago in California, just before I left there in 2008..... He was very happy to see me, and gave me all his photos of that time.....some excellent ones in the box. If he is still alive, he must be near 90 now.....

Well....skip to the end....the XR's eventually were chosen. AGAIN. For several reasons, all of which I'm too tired to elaborate on now.....dossing time for me, on the road for work.....

I'll write the details down and see what happens.....also have lots of pics of the whole jol.....including the Krieks. May be some of the only pics in existence of them, come to think of it, now that I have Ron Wood's collection too.

Cheers


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Post by: Andyman on November 16, 2015, 06:25:33 am
From Peter Badcocks fantastic book, Images of War
Curious it is

That in the heat of fire,

It can suddenly

Be still;

Isolated moments

Of utter quiet

When,

With stark clarity,

A distant birdsong and the tightness

Of a helmet strap

Invade awareness

That clones itself

In two perceptive planes.
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Post by: gser on November 16, 2015, 06:43:25 am
Whethefakawe,
a good recollection of events, accept that Off High Equipment did not manufacture Buffels, they re-manufacture or repaired them.
I spoke to Ron Wood a while back and he is still doing fine, what a chap, respect !
Post pics if you may ?
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Post by: KiLRoy on November 16, 2015, 06:59:26 am
Time to document those stories Dan?

Question, how did the 23 inch front wheel XR behave compared to the 21?
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Post by: Vis Arend on November 16, 2015, 07:08:13 am
 :sip:  Great thread, love it.   :thumleft:

My friends boet was also in the bikesquad, he stayed in Windhoek, surname was Louw, can't remeber is name.    But he was now a real ducktail.   :eek7:    Anyone knew him?
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 16, 2015, 07:22:26 am
Hein, the 21" front is just so much quicker to turn in, and the better rolling factor of the 23" is hardly noticeable, plus the bigger a rim becomes, the more the spokes are stressed.
So, 23" not such a good idea.

Geelkat, we probably sat on our bikes for 99% of the time, but when you know you're being photographed, you try to look like Jack Penton. :imaposer: :imaposer:

About the "Kriek" deadborn, stillborn, unborn idea, I actually know very little about it, except for the endless rumours. It does seem like the wrong people were involved,
because why get a specialist to build a frame, use a belt-driven camshaft engine, and XL350 suspension, when the Japanese were actually mass-producing the right thing?
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Post by: gser on November 16, 2015, 08:14:57 am
A motorcycle based on pure military requirements (work horse) is  developed and evaluated (tested) around those requirements.
A motorcycle for use by the infantry to be used to their requirements, maintained and supported in its terrain of operation and environment is not always available of the shelf, I will say never. Look for example to the adapted, ruggedized, dieselfied "KLR" used by the USA forces. One of their critical requirements of support is one of fuel. It was decided by the by the US top brass that to simplify fuel logistics to all fuel powered systems including all air, sea and land based systems, it will use only one fuel. (one battle field fuel)
So, the fuel JP8 was thus decided upon.
For these and other reasons, the militarized "KLR" came to being.
One of the other basic requirement is range , who can not easely beat the fuel efficiency of a diesel engine even in this case, small weight penalty but "better" durability. And so we can go on. Play bikes and agricultural bikes (eg. AG 200, DF200. etc) are different because the user/client has requirements that are different.
. . .mmm
 
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Post by: The Badger on November 16, 2015, 08:52:20 am
Very interesting about the 'Kriek'. Would love some pics.

Not sure who did this awesome drawing... perhaps someone can elaborate?
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Post by: The Badger on November 16, 2015, 04:19:05 pm
This pic was taken shortly after I had flipped for the one and only time on the border and only because I rode into a hole i did not see in the grass whilst in my balancing point..... hence my broken back mudguard and my unseen sore back from my R4. :deal:

@ 2SD.....there is my wooden grip and 50 round mag.
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Post by: The Badger on November 16, 2015, 04:39:11 pm
This was my platoon when we were issued with DR 500's, brand new, for a week to get our licences..... we split up into groups and hung around the Potch girls high and the female students residents..... what a jol but difficult to wheelie those dr,s..... almost like they had detuned them....... hahaha BLUESTONE but for bikes.  :imaposer: :imaposer:

I wish.I could remember the 2 liner instructer closest to the camera....Eikenhof or something. Anyone know perhaps?
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 16, 2015, 06:07:17 pm
Nice wheely photo, Badger!!

We also hung around the Potch campus a lot, had a s/sgt Cooney? and this guy loved the girls, and of course we benefitted greatly!
Wheelies all over, and I wish I could say stoppies too......but not on a 1979 Suzuki SP370.

We collected our bikes in a very, very large vehicle storage depot somewhere in Pretoria. I remember many black Chevrolet Commando's parked there, all new.
This trip on our SP370's back to Potch was like a roadtrip on it's own then, for us fortunate BS guys.

Well, I had my SP for a few days, and we were racing along a "brandpad" somewhere towards the artillery camp, when I failed to notice a huge rock being ploughed up by whatever scraped the fire-break. I virtually wrote the SP off there, but except for a serious uitkak, I got into no other trouble.

I got a new bike virtually straight away.
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Post by: Rynet on November 17, 2015, 06:44:37 am
Anybody recognize this guy?

2 Stroke Dan  : What a priceless , precious photo.  :ricky:  

Badger:  those wheely photos on page 1 are spectacular .  :notworthy:

You guys should write , you would add real value to a Blog like this one  : http://sadf.sentinelprojects.com/ (http://sadf.sentinelprojects.com/)

Loving this thread .    :thumleft:
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Post by: The Badger on November 17, 2015, 09:58:44 am
Anybody recognize this guy?

2 Stroke Dan  : What a priceless , precious photo.  :ricky:  

Badger:  those wheely photos on page 1 are spectacular .  :notworthy:

You guys should write , you would add real value to a Blog like this one  : http://sadf.sentinelprojects.com/ (http://sadf.sentinelprojects.com/)

Loving this thread .    :thumleft:

Thank you Rynet and welcome back.

Cheers for the link to the Sentinel project.... very interesting and you are right, we should put our experiences down on paper as there was enough shenanigans between us all.

@ Dan..... those firebreaks were soooo dusty and the 14 Field Artillery guys used to get so pissed off with us as we caused so much dust and they were trying to get their canons ready for inspection hahaha.

I grabbed this pic off the BS group.
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Post by: EssBee on November 17, 2015, 01:59:20 pm
Danie, were you also '78 - '79???? Do you remember Carel Wiehahn from Windhoek...he was in my platoon in 3SAI till about March when they asked for 'volunteers' for bike squad.... I tried but failed, I wasn't a 'gippo-gat' like Wiehahn...  :'( Our loot saw it as an opportunity to let him go...
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Post by: The Badger on November 17, 2015, 05:09:07 pm
Newspaper article written about Bikesquad in the early days.
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Post by: The Badger on November 17, 2015, 05:32:12 pm
Here is another article.... classic. One way to hurt yourself quickly is to mount a weapon on your handlebars.. :deal: NE er mind trying to shoot whilst riding..... just a waste of ammo.
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Post by: The Badger on November 17, 2015, 05:34:38 pm
:sip:  Great thread, love it.   :thumleft:

My friends boet was also in the bikesquad, he stayed in Windhoek, surname was Louw, can't remeber is name.    But he was now a real ducktail.   :eek7:    Anyone knew him?

No sorry.... not from my intake.
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Post by: Vis Arend on November 17, 2015, 05:36:51 pm
:sip:  Great thread, love it.   :thumleft:

My friends boet was also in the bikesquad, he stayed in Windhoek, surname was Louw, can't remeber is name.    But he was now a real ducktail.   :eek7:    Anyone knew him?

No sorry.... not from my intake.
:thumleft:
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 17, 2015, 08:52:50 pm
Here is another article.... classic. One way to hurt yourself quickly is to mount a weapon on your handlebars.. :deal: NE er mind trying to shoot whilst riding..... just a waste of ammo.

When I arrived in South West African Specialist unit [SWASPES] in Oshivello in June 1979, these Honda XL350's were the first bikes we rode, when the oumanne would let us. :imaposer:
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 09:42:14 am
Very interesting about the 'Kriek'. Would love some pics.

Not sure who did this awesome drawing... perhaps someone can elaborate?

It's a 1983 model XR 500 E...had two carbs, overly complicated....slightly more powerful and suspended than the 81/82 models, but went overboard with "technology". Gee.....why does that sound so familiar??

I rode my mate JJ's brother's bike exactly like this shortly after klaaring out, almost died twice in a very short ride....no fear is not always a good thing...the bro was a SAP taakmag type....recces walked in fear of them  :laughing4:

Speaking of, Patrick has told me many stories of training recces at some point, when they were "cross-trained"to gain some bike skills. The SADF seemed to have realised that bikes were THE most mobile things in the SA/SWA theatre, but never quite figured out how to use them effecitvely..... This drawing may be from one of those courses, witness the badge at bottom right....recce badge, innit? He also said, they KAKKED as much as any intake, and bitched about it ......running a 2,4 (or 5 or 7 k's) with S-W-G was pretty standard practice.....the ONLY 2,4s I ever ran in 4 years without that configuration, was in Ovamboland when some duwis "intelligence" officer at 52 Bn made us run them in the sand..... but running a 2,4 pushing your 150 kg bike was a whole nother story......Disclaimer: I never did, I was "rank"....but paid in blood for that, during the "accelerated" riding course  :laughing4:

From what Patrick tells me, BS became very "diversified" after platoon 13 and 14.....mostly indigenii......they were mostly used as an urban force from that time, that's why they trained around Joburg etc. He should know, he was OC then.
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Post by: chopperpilot on November 18, 2015, 09:57:46 am
Wrong thread!
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 10:02:25 am
Whethefakawe,
a good recollection of events, accept that Off High Equipment did not manufacture Buffels, they re-manufacture or repaired them.
I spoke to Ron Wood a while back and he is still doing fine, what a chap, respect !
Post pics if you may ?

Jissis china....what's yer name? Gavin? Felix? Du Toit? (Not many people were involved in this....or were you one of the Armscor okes?

I went by Ron's workshop not long ago while running an errand for a friend, it was gone, so i assume he is retired....or passed on. Glad to hear he is still around, i'll contact him and go visit again......nice oke, and a legend in his time, if not well known outside of the US flattrack community.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 10:12:28 am
This was my platoon when we were issued with DR 500's, brand new, for a week to get our licences..... we split up into groups and hung around the Potch girls high and the female students residents..... what a jol but difficult to wheelie those dr,s..... almost like they had detuned them....... hahaha BLUESTONE but for bikes.  :imaposer: :imaposer:

I wish.I could remember the 2 liner instructer closest to the camera....Eikenhof or something. Anyone know perhaps?

 :imaposer: "Eeikenhof" .....well you got the German part right...... that's JJ Ueckermann, my mate who is now a 777 pilot at Cathay Pacific Airlines.....he was at Oudtshoorn with me, although I didn't know him personally until Potch, he went to horses when I joined bikes, later became a bike instructor, had never ridden a bike really....although his boet had the above-mentioned XR 500 E....excellent pic! I'll  send it to him, he lives in Phuket Thailand now. This was in 1983 btw.

JJ and I left the army on the same day, in fact we drove out the gate at Berede in my bakkie with Joe Walsh playing at 1000dB.....as soon as we cleared the boom, I stopped, we debussed and both got into shorts flip-flops and T-shirts, then we gooied brown eyes back up the road.....the RSM's office looked right down it  :imaposer: we were both sergeants, and klaared out without checking out wth that duwis.....

Aaaaaah the stories  :imaposer:
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 10:17:52 am
Here is another article.... classic. One way to hurt yourself quickly is to mount a weapon on your handlebars.. :deal: NE er mind trying to shoot whilst riding..... just a waste of ammo.

When I arrived in South West African Specialist unit [SWASPES] in Oshivello in June 1979, these Honda XL350's were the first bikes we rode, when the oumanne would let us. :imaposer:

Dan....did you know "Dommekie"?

Corporal de Klerk? You must have  :imaposer:

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Post by: The Badger on November 18, 2015, 10:42:55 am
This was my platoon when we were issued with DR 500's, brand new, for a week to get our licences..... we split up into groups and hung around the Potch girls high and the female students residents..... what a jol but difficult to wheelie those dr,s..... almost like they had detuned them....... hahaha BLUESTONE but for bikes.  :imaposer: :imaposer:

I wish.I could remember the 2 liner instructer closest to the camera....Eikenhof or something. Anyone know perhaps?

 :imaposer: "Eeikenhof" .....well you got the German part right...... that's JJ Ueckermann, my mate who is now a 777 pilot at Cathay Pacific Airlines.....he was at Oudtshoorn with me, although I didn't know him personally until Potch, he went to horses when I joined bikes, later became a bike instructor, had never ridden a bike really....although his boet had the above-mentioned XR 500 E....excellent pic! I'll  send it to him, he lives in Phuket Thailand now. This was in 1983 btw.

JJ and I left the army on the same day, in fact we drove out the gate at Berede in my bakkie with Joe Walsh playing at 1000dB.....as soon as we cleared the boom, I stopped, we debussed and both got into shorts flip-flops and T-shirts, then we gooied brown eyes back up the road.....the RSM's office looked right down it  :imaposer: we were both sergeants, and klaared out without checking out wth that duwis.....

Aaaaaah the stories  :imaposer:

Aaah cheers Yuri...... thanks and please send my regards to JJ. What a decent guy and I feel sorry for him as he took us for our coin ops phase and definitely had a handful.

As for Corp de Klerk.... I'm sure someone kakked in his boots before we left for the border....?
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 10:59:15 am
 :laughing4: yes I seem to remember something along those lines.....he was a HARD f**ker hey....but dumb as a bag of spanners, good old plaas boykie from the western Transvaal....tough as nails, and dead....died in acar crash about 1988....
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 11:23:06 am
I just sifted through my photos....will post a few of the testing session. Have patience, grasshopper.....

This was basically the testing group, forget who took it...with my camera. L to R....Alberto, who lives in Natal now....then ?? Du Toit, who had been in Platoon 12 the year before and disappeared while we were in Ovamboland, then Bruce McKellar RIP, Mike Deglon, behind is Pottie the mechanic, and Patrick in Honda red and me in Suzuki yellow. Note the bike on left is the 19-inch wheeled XR 500, then the two Krieks, then a stock XR 500 and moi on the chicks' quad  :imaposer:  

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Patrick at left and me doing my best c**t impression
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During testing at what is now GEROTEK facility...forget what it was called then, but semi-secret military spot. Ron Wood is in shorts with the white hair at left, and I am standing with arms folded in centre in yellow...two okes sitting to my right are Bruce McKellar and Patrick Devy, rest were all army or Armscor types....at far left is one of the Krieks

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Deglon wheelying up the steepest downhill section.....scary steep, this pic doesn't do it justice....he was one of the top 2 or 3 trials riders in SA at the time, ex- national champ....one of the most skilled riders I have ever seen.....and an absolute fecking HOOLIGAN.....jissis we had some wild times, his cousin Alan who was SA speedway champion was my neighbour......and I spent my 21st biffday with this lot....another story for the books...included speedway racing and the customary post-race brawls, smashing my brand new bakkie, and lots....LOTS of alcohol....and a set of severely disillusioned parental units (mine)  :imaposer:
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The Off-Highway Equipment convoy to Riemvasmaak, with the two Krieks on a trailer.
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More later.
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Post by: gser on November 18, 2015, 11:29:44 am
Yippie , erken n paar gesigte op die fotos.
Laat dit kom, mooi so Whethefakawe !
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 11:31:21 am
You've got me all paranoid now......
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 18, 2015, 11:37:30 am
Juri, those are great photo's about the "Kriek", and the 19" wheeled XR???
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 11:40:19 am
BTW Jeff....I have  contact with Glenn Kieser from your platoon, who was an authorised army photographer....he has over 1000 slides that he took during training and ops....he gave me a few scans, and we have discussed making a book of ALL the photos we can lay our hands on.....should be a hoot. A few years ago, when I first posted my bike squad story (geez....9 years already) I gathered lots of gen, and wrote down all my memories and stories, much of which I would not remember now.....extremely detailed, most of it.....and many others' too..... may have to resuscitate that project hey  :biggrin:

I'll post a few of Glenn's slides, with his blessing....I am sure you'll see yerself in them  :laughing4:

Bed time again.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 18, 2015, 11:42:42 am
Juri, those are great photo's about the "Kriek", and the 19" wheeled XR???

Yes Dan....have some better ones of the Krieks, will post later, very moeg now.....cheers

PS the "equal wheel size" theory was a bunch of shite  :laughing4:
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Post by: IanTheTooth on November 18, 2015, 01:19:02 pm
Albrecht Albers! Now there's a man who could ride! I haven't seen him for a while. After he finished plantation work at Kataza I saw him in the waiting room, he was doing contract work on golf courses. Haven't seen him since. Set some of the best WFO events in Zululand.
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Post by: 1ougat on November 19, 2015, 10:59:08 am
Like daai safari suit  :biggrin:
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Post by: Dish on November 19, 2015, 05:08:22 pm
so question from left field to all... and im hoping someone knows or remembers....

on the XR 500R, the choke was a black lever near the carb... when the choke is OFF... the lever is down right.... to put choke on you pulled the little lever up... am I right?? stupid question I know..
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Post by: gser on November 19, 2015, 06:30:19 pm
Like daai safari suit  :biggrin:
Netso ! At eas !
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Post by: The Badger on November 19, 2015, 06:45:41 pm
A pic of Yuri,  Wherethefuckarewe.

Military KLR.
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Post by: Dirty Boy on November 20, 2015, 08:20:32 am
Camo tyres  :o  Bugger, I have just fitted new black tyres.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 20, 2015, 08:36:20 am
 :o :o :imaposer: No Jeff that's not me china........dunno who they were.....around 86/88 I'd guess....after Pl 14 the focus became urban, this was obviously during that period. I've only had sporadic contact with Patrick lately, but will ask him next time we talk. He is in the far NE corner of Uganda and I think all the k@k in Sudan lately has impacted his business very negatively....
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Post by: evansv on November 20, 2015, 08:43:50 am
A pic of Yuri,  Wherethefuckarewe.

Military KLR. Is that not a KX, as that looks like a 2 stroke pipe?
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Post by: Dirty Boy on November 20, 2015, 09:11:20 am
A pic of Yuri,  Wherethefuckarewe.

Military KLR. Is that not a KX, as that looks like a 2 stroke pipe?

Good call but you only spotted that because the pipe isn't camouflaged, didn't you ?
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Post by: evansv on November 20, 2015, 09:20:30 am
Fook, you worked me out :lol8:

Some fantastic pictures here!

Great to see!
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Post by: The Badger on November 20, 2015, 10:12:37 am
I thought it is a later model of this diesel variant  ......

I see the original pic's tank is like a long range 2 stroke tank.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 21, 2015, 07:20:14 am
A pic of Yuri,  Wherethefuckarewe.

Military KLR.

Jeff - curious about this pic...clearly a road-riding group, and judging by the number of snorre and p**s berets they can only be Papa Foxtrots ....or campers :laughing4:   where did you get it? The healthy eater far right looks a lot like a horse corporal I knew then, his name was HORN....he once was half a metre behind a claymore that went off cause someone f**ked up  :imaposer: he didn't appreciate me laughin and laughing at him.....

The second one is the 'Murkan idea of a bike squad...called the HAYES M1030, basically a  diesel KLR650. I looked at their webpage, it's funny to see the same misconceptions and silly ideas that the SADF had about bikes. And they cost over $18000 each  :imaposer: someone is making a killing!!  They weigh 370 pounds/170 kg empty.....now load them up with 4,2 US gallons of fuel (at 3,7 l/usgal = 16 kg) plus all the crap the yanks carry in the field (the average US infantryman carries something like 80 pounds = 36kg of shite....) and you're at almost  300kg all-up weight. And that's figuring on about a 80 kg soldier....of which there are few in the US military....or the US for that matter  :lol8: Good luck in the sand with that   :3some:

I really don't know what would be a good bike for this purpose nowadays. The old XR's were about as bullet-proof as you could get, with liquid cooling that simplicity is gone....and even they could only handle three months of the use we put them to, before they needed some serious service and overhaul...........mind you, in those 3 months they only got air filters cleaned and chains adjusted......this M1030 supposedly runs on diesel and several different kinds of jet fuel, all of which are merely more refined diesel. I'd really be interested to talk to some of their troops and ask some pertinent questions ..... I suspect they have MAJOR reliability problems with clogged injectors....diesels are very finicky that way....pour some water into that tank and that bike isn't going ANYWHERE. An old petrol Honda or Yamaha? drain it out and keep going.....

Interesting!

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Post by: Skaiidawg on November 21, 2015, 07:20:27 am
If you were to put a BS together today, to be deployed in the same circumstances as back then, what bike would you have chosen, what else would you have changed?
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Post by: 1ougat on November 21, 2015, 07:23:34 am
Obviously the requirement would be if it can wheelie  :biggrin:
 seem that it was all you were doing at the time  :biggrin:
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 21, 2015, 07:26:13 am
The pic of the bike with the camo tyres is a photoshop or otherwise fake btw....it's a 2-stroke with aftermarket tank........looks like an older KTM.

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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 21, 2015, 07:41:52 am
If you were to put a BS together today, to be deployed in the same circumstances as back then, what bike would you have chosen, what else would you have changed?

Geez...hard to say....ideally you'd want something simple and bulletproof, air-cooled, carburetted....little or no electronics....not sure if such a bike exists anymore! My first thought is XR 650, but the liquid-cooling would be a weak spot. Not to mention, they don't make them anymore! And it's a BEAST.....you'd have extreme levels of rider attrition  :lol8:

There are many variables. From reading the original SADF doctrine manuals, maintenance and logistics was one of their main concerns, and rightly so. If every platoon had had a dedicated mechanic with some basic spares, and tools to do cam chain adjustments, valve adjustments, oil changes, and good lube services in the field (or at the nearest support base) the XR 500's would have been foolproof i think....but none of that transpired.  

I'm not a diesel mechanic, but have some exposure to marine diesels...and learned the lesson about fuel contamination at my expense  :lol8: I think diesel bikes would need some intense air and fuel filter maintenance, for one.....any injected bike, for that matter.

The only modern bikes anywhere near the old XR's is the Honda CRF series....same thing, just updated...but the CRF 230, the biggest air-cooled model which I have one of, is a wee bit small I think....you'd burn up that little engine, as reliable as it is, carrying all the weight.

Cost is another big aspect....and I believe that was one of the reasons why the custom-built KRIEK didn't make it. We were, as expected, not told anything about WHY the Honda XR 500 was chosen AGAIN after all the testing. The diesel KLR650 is $18000+ each....you could buy three CRF 450X's plus spares for that on a large-volume contract.  And you don't need diesel mechanics, who are more specialised than your average bike mechanic. Or troop rider  :lol8:

If you plan appropriately for maintenance of the liquid-cooling aspect, I'd go with a CARBURETTED Honda CRF 450X or Yamaha WRF 450....either one is bulletproof. And leave them close to stock, no big bashplates and shit like that....dead weight that serves no purpose.  
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Post by: KiLRoy on November 21, 2015, 07:54:18 am
Yuri, XR650L?

Issue is, no real air cooled bikes with decent suspension left?  The old XR500 in those days were Honda's barely street legal entry enduro machines, competing in effect with Yamaha's ITs although 4 vs 2 stroke.  With these bikes (barely street legal entry level enduro) the big manufactures couldnt agree 4 or 2 strokes.  I guess you could throw in the TTs too?

Kawa and Suz never really had something in the same class? Maybe the KLX?

XR 400 type bike - but needed something bigger.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 21, 2015, 07:09:12 pm
 :thumleft: Yip...you're right, never even thought of it....it would have to be toughened up a bit though....take off all the street stuff, flickers etc, but it's essentially a bigger XR400, which is itself an updated version of the old 500. In 1983 or 4, Hinda came out with the XR 500E....BS did have them, in fact the pencil drawing above is of one of them. It was a much more potent ProLink, but had a new high-performance dry-sump engine that held the oil in the frame (like the XR 650R), disc brakes, two carbs etc....Honda tried too hard with the "technology" and "new and improved".....it may have been as good as the older prolinks but I suspect it was a maintenance PITA.

I'm a bit biased....maybe because I spent so much time on air-cooled Hondas, but I don't know of any other dirtbike that has been so reliable, easy and fun to ride (once they got rid of the 23-inch front wheels) and easy to work on.

In Europe, something else might work but in Africa, you want LOW-TECH, reliable...air-cooled, drum brakes, everything cable-operated, no hydraulics, kickstart...............think Land Cruiser  :biggrin:

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Post by: windswept on November 21, 2015, 08:50:44 pm
I think you must check out the latest Cruisers my man. Not quite what they were when gran pappie fell off the tram.
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Post by: charlesvh on November 21, 2015, 10:32:21 pm
What did the bike squad people do when you did your camps? Like in after national service.
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Post by: The Badger on November 22, 2015, 11:19:43 am
What did the bike squad people do when you did your camps? Like in after national service.

Unfortunately we reverted back to normal infantry.
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Post by: gser on November 23, 2015, 07:59:56 am
:thumleft: Yip...you're right, never even thought of it....it would have to be toughened up a bit though....take off all the street stuff, flickers etc, but it's essentially a bigger XR400, which is itself an updated version of the old 500. In 1983 or 4, Hinda came out with the XR 500E....BS did have them, in fact the pencil drawing above is of one of them. It was a much more potent ProLink, but had a new high-performance dry-sump engine that held the oil in the frame (like the XR 650R), disc brakes, two carbs etc....Honda tried too hard with the "technology" and "new and improved".....it may have been as good as the older prolinks but I suspect it was a maintenance PITA.

I'm a bit biased....maybe because I spent so much time on air-cooled Hondas, but I don't know of any other dirtbike that has been so reliable, easy and fun to ride (once they got rid of the 23-inch front wheels) and easy to work on.

In Europe, something else might work but in Africa, you want LOW-TECH, reliable...air-cooled, drum brakes, everything cable-operated, no hydraulics, kickstart...............think Land Cruiser  :biggrin:


Yip, like a  Land Cruiser , a real low tech work horse, not a play bike type.
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Post by: Dirty Boy on November 23, 2015, 08:13:07 am


Jeff - curious about this pic...clearly a road-riding group, and judging by the number of snorre and p**s berets they can only be Papa Foxtrots ....or campers :laughing4:  

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Shame man, give the PE and BT's a break. Its Movember.
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 24, 2015, 10:58:27 am
 Hey man....I know from.....I was a (4-year SAAF disciplinary reject....long story) PE meself....so I am eminently qualified to make that sharp observation.  :laughing4:

Never could grow a snor like that at 20 though ...more of an Apache beard.... a patchy here and a patchy there  
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 24, 2015, 11:00:34 am
And I never did a camp....went walkabout 5 weeks after I klaared out, and was never around long enough after that  :lol8:
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 24, 2015, 11:14:27 am
I think you must check out the latest Cruisers my man. Not quite what they were when gran pappie fell off the tram.

Are you a millenial?  :imaposer:

But you're right....I'm thinking 70's and 80's Cruisers.....nowadays it's a soccermum kiddie transporter....and Sandton Explorer with high-lift jack bolted to the roof rack......
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Post by: windswept on November 24, 2015, 12:47:53 pm
Not millennial. I was driving trolley busses back in the early 80's so am a toppie :thumleft:The old school Cruisers are going the same way as the XR and DR. I think the LR Defender is now stopping production as well. :eek7:
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Post by: The Badger on November 24, 2015, 10:23:53 pm


Jeff - curious about this pic...clearly a road-riding group, and judging by the number of snorre and p**s berets they can only be Papa Foxtrots ....or campers :laughing4:  


Shame man, give the PE and BT's a break. Its Movember.
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I see that James..... they were 250's so probably just base transport.
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Post by: The Badger on November 24, 2015, 10:31:34 pm
Two weeks ago I got into contact with one of the guys in my section, Ben Neumann and he posted some pics of our section. Cheers Ben.

1st pic is me feeling tired. In the hills past Ruacana dam.
2nd is of Ben in the canal after being redirected by a rock.
3rd is Ben being helped by Steve Young and Mike Baanhof
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Post by: The Badger on November 25, 2015, 05:01:34 pm
Interesting water pipeline that runs from the Ruacana dam east towards Oshakati for about 50 k's if I'm not mistaken, supplying water to everyone along the way. Lots of swims were had in that canal.

All the locals used to sit on the side of the canal to wash and bathe and whatever and we used to ride past and point our finger and hit the kill switch to make the bike backfire and they all used to jump in to the water.
A little mischief to lighten the situation.

Below is a pic of a tiny church inside an ancient Boabab in Ugongo in Owamboland. It can fit 4 people plus a pastor. I'm not sure it is still there?
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Post by: The Badger on November 25, 2015, 07:44:38 pm
Some more pics from my mate Ben Neumann .... after 29 years, thanks Ben.

These pics are my section out on patrol.
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Post by: Welsh on November 25, 2015, 07:54:32 pm
Modern version CCM 450
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 26, 2015, 01:57:07 am
Not millennial. I was driving trolley busses back in the early 80's so am a toppie :thumleft:The old school Cruisers are going the same way as the XR and DR. I think the LR Defender is now stopping production as well. :eek7:

 :biggrin: Sorry.....no insult intended mate  :laughing4:

So you can relate to my bias toward simple and reliable I assume ..........
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 26, 2015, 02:08:08 am
Nice pics Jeff.....is that you sitting in the door of the "tree church"? I have a hard time remembering what pl 13 okes looked like then...but pics jog my memory!

Was that "tree church" at Ogongo? I know there was something like this at Ombalantu, which was next to the tar road between Ogongo and Mahanene. Mahanene is 30 km or so east of Ruacana. Funny thing, despite spending lots of time in that area, we never went all the way to Ruacana.

Who is the big oke with the red hair? Wasn't that Bahnhoff? I recognise him in the group shot. Big boykie, he was....
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Post by: Whethefakawe on November 26, 2015, 02:48:08 am
A few more pics of the bike testing session, these were all at Riemvasmaak.

PLEASE DO NOT REPOST ANY OF THESE ON FACEBOOK!!

The field of contenders. Only one missing is the trials bike, but that was never really an option. L to R: DR 500, XT 550, quad, Honda, Montessa (it was a weird size...want to say 360cc 2-stroke) then two Krieks (one in shade) and two Honda's. Ron Wood leaning on the bakkie.
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Spectators at the Riemvasmaak Races....Patrick Devy in the SAMIL cab, me standing in yellow, then Albers on a Kriek, and Pretorius on the DR500 at far right. The Montessa in front...interestingly, that's my helmet and kidney belt on the seat...I must have just gotten off it. Ron is standing at centre in white pants. The oke with the shorts and Post Office tan was Armscor's main man for the project, if  remember right. Oke left of Ron ...no idea. Armscor or such, I believe.
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So ya think ya know from sand riding hey? That sandy river bed at Riemvasmaak had the gnarliest sand I have ever ridden in....lots of fun, but even the experts like Deglon and O'Keefe, national champions, fell on their arses a few times  :biggrin: Since the mission was to ride the bikes till they broke, we laid out a track in the riverbed and went round and round until the bike broke, or you did.....it was March and hot as hades....probably 40C....and that sand was hard work. Patrick may remember better than I can, but I seem to recall that all the bikes - including all 3 XR 500's, but EXCLUDING the Krieks - were F**KED by about Thursday of the week.....
This was Du Toit, the ex-platoon 12 oke who worked for O.H.E. As previously mentioned, it turns out he was much better than he had let on to PW's Plaas.....
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Du Toit taking a dive off an XR....and Paddy O'Keefe stylin'. He was very critical of the Kriek....which pissed Ron off no end  :laughing4: but Paddy was right, the bike was very hard to ride. Compared to his usual mount, a Blue Stratos KX 125, especially  :imaposer:
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MikeDeglon a second or so before HIS lunchtime sand-wich
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The moment of the Suzuki DR 500's demise, which caused much amusement. Deglon kicked it hard, and this was the only result...the kickstart went all the way to the bottom, no compression. Suzuki....out. By this time the XT550, which was really a "street scrambler', had long since died....
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Devy hard on the throttle on the Kriek
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Ron Wood and I at his shop in Orange County, CA in 2008. He was very happy to see me again, a sentiment which was fully reciprocated, and we had a serious kakpraat session over lunch at the beach...he said that that trip was one of his fondest memories, and told me a lot I didn't know. More later.
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Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 26, 2015, 09:25:06 am
Nice pics Jeff.....is that you sitting in the door of the "tree church"? I have a hard time remembering what pl 13 okes looked like then...but pics jog my memory!

Was that "tree church" at Ogongo? I know there was something like this at Ombalantu, which was next to the tar road between Ogongo and Mahanene. Mahanene is 30 km or so east of Ruacana. Funny thing, despite spending lots of time in that area, we never went all the way to Ruacana.

Who is the big oke with the red hair? Wasn't that Bahnhoff? I recognise him in the group shot. Big boykie, he was....

Thanks Yuri. Yes that is me sitting in the doorway of the church.  It might be Ombalantu.... all I remember was that it was near the entrance of the camp.
Yip the big redhead is Mike Baahnhof.....good backup in a fight as he was an animal. Lol I'm trying to locate a pic of him jumping over 19 bikes off an anthill..... crazy man. Hehe
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Dirty Boy on November 26, 2015, 10:10:38 am
Jeff, thanks for starting this thread. And to all the others for their input and photo's

Despite not being in the bike squad, this stirs up memories. The sand and bush of the Northern Namibia, the heat and the Samil's. The glaring white sand roads, not a cloud in the sky. Toebies and steak braai's. Windhoek Export in a blue can 50c

Being a Tiffie, I also got to go around Gerotek as a demo in a Samil 100. Their Sine wave track was unlike any other I have since experienced and I have been around vehicle test tracks around the world.

Great story about Ron Wood's involvement with the Kriek. As a donnerse dienspligtige at the time, you are unaware of all the 'behind the scenes' developments that were happening. I was in from '82 - 84 so there was still a lot of research and money being spent.

Great memories, thanks.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 26, 2015, 04:29:43 pm
Pleasure James and Yuri and thanks for those pics of you guys testing the bikes Yuri. :thumleft:

Below is a pic of our stone slab outside our tent with old tyres and chains in Ruacana base.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 26, 2015, 04:32:38 pm
My mate Ben or Alfred E as we used to call him, with a look that says it all......lol
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: roxenz on November 26, 2015, 04:40:43 pm
Fantastic fred this!  A cousin of mine was in the bike squad. We were not very close, but I do remember him enthusing about the good/crazy times they had.  His name is Eric Albertyn and I guess he must have been there around '76 or '77.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 26, 2015, 05:13:52 pm
 :thumleft: Roxenz .

He was before my time but I'm sure Yuri might know. Is he family of Greg and Colin ?
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: roxenz on November 26, 2015, 05:30:32 pm
:thumleft: Roxenz .

He was before my time but I'm sure Yuri might know. Is he family of Greg and Colin ?

No don't think he was family of Greg or Colin. His dad was a doctor (eventually became head of the medical school of Free State Uni). His older brother (Frans) did kortdiens - Frans was a Loot in the column that came within sight of Luanda in '73 ('74?).
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 26, 2015, 05:55:14 pm
:thumleft: Roxenz .

He was before my time but I'm sure Yuri might know. Is he family of Greg and Colin ?

No don't think he was family of Greg or Colin. His dad was a doctor (eventually became head of the medical school of Free State Uni). His older brother (Frans) did kortdiens - Frans was a Loot in the column that came within sight of Luanda in '73 ('74?).

OK.  Let's check with Yuri.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Whethefakawe on November 26, 2015, 08:33:07 pm
No...didn't know Eric. Bike squad (in fact all of Spes) was started mid-77 as far as I know...but the idea was hatched some time before that. I have contact, or know where to reach, a few okes from those days....one, Shane White, lives a few houses from my brother in Allens Nek....but despite a very enthusiastic first response, he ignored my requests for info afterwards....may have been a bullshitter, although he IS heavily into bikes....anybody know that name? He claimed he was Pl 1 and 2, but went to demo team....

Patrick knew people from about pl 4/5 on, and I from 6/7 on....I've had numerous tips and supposed contacts for the early days but none have produced any credible gen yet.

2SD, wasn't your brother a loot in the XL350 days? Isn't that him on the cover of S.O.F? Patrick has told me stories about the Winterbach bro's  :laughing4: Do you remember Dave Buck? He was at Potch for the first 6 months I was there, and lives in Florida near my dad...have sporadic contact with him too.

Jeff- I have Tony Foster, Aubrey Kavanaugh and Glenn Kieser's contact info...all in Joburg, shout if you want it. I spoke to all of them not long ago, and hung out with Glenn when I lived in SA 2009-2010.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 26, 2015, 09:16:35 pm
My brother, Francois Winterbach was a troop in Bike Squad, either six months or a year later intake than me.

We actually spent some  together in SWA-SPES during  the last half of 1980. He was part of the first group that moved SWA-SPES to Otavi, this was in 1981.

The name Shane White rings a bell, and I think he could have been in Francois' intake.

I do nt remember the name Dave Buck, but there's a lot I don't remember.

I will sit down and post all the names I can remember frm my platoon/group.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 27, 2015, 06:04:51 pm
Cheers Yuri but I have their no's.

We are currently discussing a Bikesquad trip up to Owamboland for Aug/Sept 2016.
Steve and Dave in Aus are keen and will fly into Windhoek and hire bikes and myself and Ben have discussed trailering up to Windhoek. Aubrey and Tony are also keen. That's 6 all ready so I think we have ourselves an adventure of NOTE looming. :deal: :ricky: :3some:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 27, 2015, 06:18:04 pm

Being a Tiffie,



James, you guys were our big mates. We parked our bikes in in the lwt and spent a lot of time with you guys fiddling and fixing.

If we were in base while everyone had to do 'Klaarstaan' , this is when the most of the base aimed thier weapons out over the walls of the camp at sunset and sunrise as these were the most popular times to be attacked. We would have to be at our bikes ready to head out if there was any shit.  So we were the only ones in the lwt except for the Eland crews so we would sneak beers in and drink while everyone was on the Base's sand walls doing 'Klaarstaan'

The Tiffies in Ruacana had made a gym of sorts so we trained with them as well.
Good guys and good times. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 28, 2015, 03:41:12 pm
These were the power lines that we patrolled regularly and it was up to us and the Eland crews to make sure the bad guys did not blow up any pylons and keep the power running through to Windhoek.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Whethefakawe on November 29, 2015, 04:29:34 am
Cheers Yuri but I have their no's.

We are currently discussing a Bikesquad trip up to Owamboland for Aug/Sept 2016.
Steve and Dave in Aus are keen and will fly into Windhoek and hire bikes and myself and Ben have discussed trailering up to Windhoek. Aubrey and Tony are also keen. That's 6 all ready so I think we have ourselves an adventure of NOTE looming. :deal: :ricky: :3some:
Yip, figured you  might :biggrin:

Hey....guess what....I have three 1982 Prolinks and one 1980 bigwheel XR in storage in Joburg.....one needs some airbox engineering, and the bigwheel could do with a valve job, other than that they are tip-top.....I'd planned such a trip, with those bikes, for 2012 as a 30-year anniversary ride....but work got in the way, couldn't get the time off.....Patrick had signed up, as did my mate John Alexander from Platoon 10 who's in Brisbane now, and a few others.....sure I could convince a small gang to go....maybe Mr. Banks from NZ too....what say you, Patrick?

Mebbe put our heads together for next year?

BTW.......My lawyer brother has a traffc-related legal business that will be able to get the XR's registered etc....and he can also organise at least two vehicles, as in bakkies with tow hitches.....he was in one of the Bushman Battallions so can relate....he did a trip to their base in Caprivi a few years ago and enjoyed it very much.

When you mentioned "Alfred E" I remembered that name.....couldn't put a face to it, but your pics do .....as I recall, Neumann attracted unwanted attention on occasion :imaposer:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Whethefakawe on November 29, 2015, 04:37:36 am
My brother, Francois Winterbach was a troop in Bike Squad, either six months or a year later intake than me.

We actually spent some  together in SWA-SPES during  the last half of 1980. He was part of the first group that moved SWA-SPES to Otavi, this was in 1981.

The name Shane White rings a bell, and I think he could have been in Francois' intake.

I do nt remember the name Dave Buck, but there's a lot I don't remember.

I will sit down and post all the names I can remember frm my platoon/group.

Your boet was July 1979, sounds like....same as Patrick....yes they were together, he has told me.

Dave Buck was same intake, same platoon as Patrick and your bro, he left the platoon and went back to Potch cause his girlfriend somehow got pregnant :biggrin:

This Shane White oke was at Oshivello in 1977, he said.....how true that is, I'm not sure. No reason to doubt him really, but he did get very evasive when I asked some pointed questions....hmmmm

A namelist would be interesting  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Jakkals on November 29, 2015, 11:30:25 am
Weereens, hierdie is 'n great thread, ek geniet die thread baie.  :thumleft:


Vir so bietjie humor in die thread,

As ek die storrie so bekyk hoe julle aan gegaan het kon die ding dalk beter vir julle gewerk het,  ok, net met 'n fris "bullbar"  voor.  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: The Badger on November 29, 2015, 01:01:23 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :thumleft: Thanks Jakkals. That bike will be good for crossing trenches and deep mud but that's about it.
I'm sure I could wheelie it. :ricky:

The bikesquad trip  is tentatively for August 2016 Yuri
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: gser on November 29, 2015, 07:01:39 pm
. . . as I have said before, cost effective reliable mobility requirement to the users task objectives are the one of the key factors in war.
Tracked vehicles are known for there low ground pressure, low rolling resistance and good traction potential.
"Frozen ground, ice, different ground snows, different muds , different sands , soil types, gradients , vegetation types thus the full environmental mobility requirement profile" in that mix, is a challenge for a vehicle designer  and for the user to put in its users requirement statement, plus the rest of his system needs. Then the "prototypes" has to be scientifically evaluated.
Then comes ride comfort, noise, vibration, temperature, shock, ergonomics, etc. , not so easy to put a  successful military system on the ground at the right price with a fully integrated logistic support system on a long bases ( 30 years )
Politics , well , that's something else !
More to follow on Kriek 
Title: Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
Post by: Roulof on November 30, 2015, 10:59:42 pm
This is very interesting to follow Jeff, lekker skills you guys have there. :thumleft:

As someone who is much to young to have been in the bush war, I enjoy following these threads and discussions.

Keep them coming.
Title: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 02, 2015, 10:27:15 am
During our bike course and our coin ops phase we were taught how to use different riding formations in the bush.

1 - Single file - used for covering distance and on roads etc.
2 -  Arrow head - Used just before a spread out line.
3 -  Spread out line - Attack or just before a contact when 2 min behind your     poor victims.

Our intake did not fight on the bikes. The bikes were to get from one point to another faster than anyone other than heli gunships.

As soon as we hit a contact we had to drop our bikes no matter what speed we were going or what terrain we were on. It is very difficult to get your back wheel to slide out to put your bike down in thick sand  :deal:

My section( 10 bikes) operated in single file with 2 scouts up ahead ( myself and Steve Young) and as soon as I saw we were close to contact I would give the signal for spread out line.

Our spacing depended on the thickness of the bush. This was determined by keeping each other in sight.

It was extremely difficult  and resulted in us riding into holes etc when we were trying to stay in formation.

Us as scouts were responsible for all navigation as well.

Once contact was made we reverted to our infantry training and fought on foot.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 02, 2015, 01:00:03 pm
As mentioned previously that I was based in Ruacana.

Only 1 section was sent to each of the three camps ie: Okatopi, Ugongo and Ruacana.

We were utilised for:

Follow up operations
Patrolling - 1 to 7 days.
Padspook - Tar road inspection for any terrorist activity.
Escorting -  high ranks, dignitaries,  convoys and civvies. Where necessary we would ride about 300 m ahead with 5 bikes in the bush spread out in a line on either side sweeping for ambushes. Lots of fun trying to stay ahead of the vehicles and staying in a spread out line.

It was especially difficult to stay in formation as you have to continuesly adjust your separation space according to the thickness of the bush . In open areas 10 bikes could sweep a strip of almost 1 km wide.

Very interesting and I loved every minute.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 02, 2015, 01:28:39 pm
I have posted this previously but it is relevant to the section above.
This pic is of an earlier bikesquad as pics are very scarce.

I have not seen one pic of Bikesquad in action.... for obvious reasons  :deal:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: Mr Zog on December 02, 2015, 01:31:53 pm
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 02, 2015, 03:34:20 pm
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?

You are 100 % right Mr Zog. We carried lots of spares of levers, handlebars,  tyres, tubes , chains, sprockets and of course back mud guards hehehe

I think a few guys broke their wrists because of hand guards when going over the bars. They were handguards on previous years but not on ours.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: Mr Zog on December 02, 2015, 03:42:21 pm
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?

You are 100 % right Mr Zog. We carried lots of spares of levers, handlebars,  tyres, tubes , chains, sprockets and of course back mud guards hehehe

I think a few guys broke their wrists because of hand guards when going over the bars. They were handguards on previous years but not on ours.


 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
although I shouldn't laugh, my old XL is coming close to flipping me off, soon  :eek7:  :ricky:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 02, 2015, 03:51:30 pm
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?

You are 100 % right Mr Zog. We carried lots of spares of levers, handlebars,  tyres, tubes , chains, sprockets and of course back mud guards hehehe

I think a few guys broke their wrists because of hand guards when going over the bars. They were handguards on previous years but not on ours.


 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
although I shouldn't laugh, my old XL is coming close to flipping me off, soon  :eek7:  :ricky:

Hey careful there Mr Zog, my experience is that an xl is a little harder than an XR. .... I think it is the wheelbase as it suddenly wants to flip( quicker than an xr) when you get near balance point which lends me to believe it also has a heavier front end.
Nice compression so it works just like a back brake.
Good luck and enjoy.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 02, 2015, 03:53:57 pm
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?

You are 100 % right Mr Zog. We carried lots of spares of levers, handlebars,  tyres, tubes , chains, sprockets and of course back mud guards hehehe

I think a few guys broke their wrists because of hand guards when going over the bars. They were handguards on previous years but not on ours.

We got our XR500's with handguards, huge pipe things like oversized Yamaha AG100 handguards. At some stage they wanted us to mount a "wirecutter" on the front of the handlebar, someting similar to what some coin-ops vehicles had. Basically a length of flatbar, with a cut-out in it. We refurse to have it fitted, too dangerous to the rider.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: Mr Zog on December 03, 2015, 09:22:49 am
From what I can see on the pics, you guys didn't have hand guards or similar, so putting a bike down "quickly" for a contact must have used up a lot of clutch and front brake levers?

You are 100 % right Mr Zog. We carried lots of spares of levers, handlebars,  tyres, tubes , chains, sprockets and of course back mud guards hehehe

I think a few guys broke their wrists because of hand guards when going over the bars. They were handguards on previous years but not on ours.


 :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
although I shouldn't laugh, my old XL is coming close to flipping me off, soon  :eek7:  :ricky:

Hey careful there Mr Zog, my experience is that an xl is a little harder than an XR. .... I think it is the wheelbase as it suddenly wants to flip( quicker than an xr) when you get near balance point which lends me to believe it also has a heavier front end.
Nice compression so it works just like a back brake.
Good luck and enjoy.  :thumleft:

Sorry for the hijack...  :peepwall:


I flipped an XR once, while playing at the old Brikor MX Circuit in Edenvale. I was about 16 or 17, 1983-ish, and used to trying to get my 50's front wheel up. The same technique on the XR500 was disastrous!  :imaposer:  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

And now, with the XL500S, I'm having as much fun, but at almost 50 years old, I think its gonna hurt just a bit more...  :peepwall:  :eek7:

Anyways, lets just see what happens  :ricky:

Hijack off.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: gser on December 03, 2015, 07:33:02 pm
M.Z . was it fixed , ? you and/or bike ?
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 03, 2015, 11:22:53 pm
Another.... it was nervewracking in long grass. Aardvark holes are the worst.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 04, 2015, 08:59:59 am
Platoon 13, section 3 overnighting in some drainage pipes.

Second pic is when we were issued with our bikes once we got to SWA.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: Jakkals on December 04, 2015, 10:06:32 am
Hou die threat aan gang asb, moet nie dat hy dood loop nie, ek geniet die foto's en stories baie.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 05, 2015, 11:39:33 am
Thanks Roelof and Jakkals. :thumleft:

Hopefully some other bikesquad guys will post as well.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Formation riding and fighting
Post by: The Badger on December 07, 2015, 11:53:07 am
4 or 5 guys were chosen for the demo team/squad every year from the 40 or so guys chosen for Bikesquad.

The guys that could wheelie and do tricks when we went in had a good shot at getting chosen as well as the guys that raced or were sponsored. .
Every one wanted to be chosen as you didn't do all the ops training and you stayed in SA and you went to all the shows all over the country and had plenty females....Top Job in our eyes.

We did not realise then that the ops guys would have an unbelievable experience up in SWA and Angola.

Here are some pics from various intakes of demo teams with thanks from SADF Bikesquad group, Murray Hoffman and Ben Neumann, cheers guys.
 
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 07, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
More pics...... thanks Murray Hoffman and others.

I think these are from the Windhoek show.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 07, 2015, 12:42:46 pm
There were always falls.... some even made the papers.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 07, 2015, 12:47:10 pm
Some more general demo squad pics.

First pic is from the Royal Show in Pmb I think.

The guys had a fat jol at all these country shows.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: wiledog_X on December 08, 2015, 10:03:45 am
awesome thread this!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: Dirty Boy on December 08, 2015, 12:35:33 pm
What is this thing, have never seen it before ?
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: Takashi on December 08, 2015, 12:46:48 pm
What is this thing, have never seen it before ?

Looks like a smoke grenade.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: gser on December 08, 2015, 02:33:18 pm
Motorcycle, Rocket, Launch Assist. (MCRLA) ('macral')
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 08, 2015, 02:44:24 pm
What is this thing, have never seen it before ?

Looks like a smoke grenade.

Correct  :thumleft:

Motorcycle, Rocket, Launch Assist. (MCRLA) ('macral')


 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: Geel Kat on December 08, 2015, 02:51:26 pm
Basebleed...

Fills the void behind the fast travelling bike with smoke thereby reducing drag.

Add to that lowering the CoG by standing and it becomes unstoppable.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: 1ougat on December 08, 2015, 03:01:01 pm
What is this thing, have never seen it before ?

Looks like a smoke grenade.

Correct  :thumleft:

Motorcycle, Rocket, Launch Assist. (MCRLA) ('macral')


 :laughing4: :laughing4:

And probably the cause of the broken arm  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 08, 2015, 05:25:30 pm
Basebleed...

Fills the void behind the fast travelling bike with smoke thereby reducing drag.

Add to that lowering the CoG by standing and it becomes unstoppable.
Basebleed...

Fills the void behind the fast travelling bike with smoke thereby reducing drag.

Add to that lowering the CoG by standing and it becomes unstoppable.

Hehehe :laughing4: :laughing4: Just watch out for the Owambo Piele  :ricky:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 08, 2015, 05:32:24 pm
Good grief, that is Murray Hoffman sitting on the XR500 with the smoke canister tied to the swingarm.

We use to perform at the annual Windhoek show, and the grenades was for effect. I still have a photo of Kevin Atkins jumping over 7 bikes and 15 guys lined up in a long row inside the relatively small Windhoek showgrounds.
What a jol these shows were, partying with the Suidwesters were something else......
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 08, 2015, 05:37:44 pm
The guy with the big bandage on the arm is Tyronne Perry. He was from Natal.

I see Corporal Clem da Matta, Kevin Atkins, Martin Postma.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Demo Squad
Post by: The Badger on December 08, 2015, 05:54:57 pm
The guy with the big bandage on the arm is Tyronne Perry. He was from Natal.

Perhaps he is connected to Perry Yamaha here in Durban.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected.
Post by: The Badger on December 14, 2015, 06:28:38 pm
SADF Bikesquad Selection.

I was originally called up to 14 Field Artillery in Potch and a couple of days after klaaring in all the special forces had an open day whereby you could apply to join ie: Recce's , Doggies, Horses and Bikesquad.
About 200 guys applied and we had to then do baba dra (carrying someone in your arms like a baby) across the parade ground and back. That whittled it down to about 50 guys. They then made us do a 5 km run and chose the first 10 guys that finished to go for an interview.
The first three guys were interviewed and they came out and anounced that they had their quota and that's it...... I was 5th in the queue and thought no ways... ffs.
I grabbed my mate Mike and while everyone moaned and walked away I went up and knocked on the interview rooms door and went and stood in front of the major. I told him that we were born on bikes and that we had to be in bikesquad etc..... he looked at us in silence for what felt like an hour and then nodded and and said we were in..! We nearly fainted. How lucky was that.

We were told to be ready to be transferred in a couple of days.
While waiting all the rank took it out on us that were leaving making us sit on a wooden fence holding our R4's in front of us and making bike revving noises ffs.  :imaposer: I did not know anything about Bikesquad and only heard about it that day,
Well I thought that this was it..... cruising my 2 years on bikes, can't be cushier than that.....

Hahaha little did I know that I wouldn't touch a bike for another 5 months and a whole lot of afkak  :deal:

To be continued........... bike riding course next.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: gser on December 14, 2015, 08:13:32 pm
R4 ? you lucky chappy ?
Not R1's. nie eers opvou kolf ?
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: Whethefakawe on December 15, 2015, 07:29:46 pm
Spes was one of the first units to carry R4's, if not THE. Devy told me they had them in 1980. 2SD's lot, obviously even before that.

Excellent recall Jeff....I just realised I knew nothing about the selection process.

It was different for the "rank". Because I came from Infantry School, all we did was submit three choices for postings after getting rank just before Xmas 1980. Because I was NAFI I chose Berede, anything not to trap through the bush like a d@@s. I didn't really know about, or plan on, Bike Squad at the time. Just thought it would be a cool and easy way to spend my time till klaaring out, riding around on horses.

HA!

Until I realised, a week before klaaring in at Berede, that a) I hated horses, and them me, and b) I knew FUCKALL about riding them, and really had no desire to learn. I'd been on a horse twice in my life up to then and had been thrown off both times.

I was not a happy baby corporal that first morning when we checked in.....I mean SERIAASLY depressed....the smell of horse shit permeating the air didn't help. Until we stood in a queue in fron of Sgt NAGEL (remember him? Short blonde PF, horse type, sloping forehead, no neck, walrus moustache, dumb as a bag of spanners?) and, checking on his clipboard and namelist, he asked the oke in front of me "what are you? Horses or bikes?"

The penny dropped, they only had a namelist, no assignments..... so a bold-faced LIE got me into bikes  :laughing4: "Bikes sergeant" ..... "OK go that way".

3 seconds and some quick thinking that changed my life.  :biggrin:

Please continue in detail! Excellent reading  :thumleft:



 

   
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: Parkinoff on December 15, 2015, 09:23:38 pm
What a lekker read!! Eish, these pics make me long back to those days. My boet was in the bike squad, 1984 intake I think. Dont think he went up to the border, only did shows. His bike was not red but brown if I remember correctly, EVERYTHING was painted brown.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: The Badger on December 16, 2015, 12:51:50 pm
Thanks for the positive feedback everyone. :thumleft: It inspires me to dig deeper in the murky depths of my recall abilities.

Hey Juri..... '3 seconds and quick thinking'.... amazing how this life works hey. Good story as well.

What a lekker read!!
 His bike was not red but brown if I remember correctly, EVERYTHING was painted brown.

Hehehe so were ours Parkinoff.  Just about the only items that weren't brown was the speedo, seat and chain and we spent hours getting it off lol

Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: subie on December 16, 2015, 02:23:00 pm
 :thumleft:
Hope there is more  :ricky:
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: Parkinoff on December 16, 2015, 03:54:43 pm
Yes, more!! That pic of you standing on the seat is a really artistically great one.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 16, 2015, 04:11:24 pm
Spes was one of the first units to carry R4's, if not THE. Devy told me they had them in 1980. 2SD's lot, obviously even before that.

Excellent recall Jeff....I just realised I knew nothing about the selection process.

It was different for the "rank". Because I came from Infantry School, all we did was submit three choices for postings after getting rank just before Xmas 1980. Because I was NAFI I chose Berede, anything not to trap through the bush like a d@@s. I didn't really know about, or plan on, Bike Squad at the time. Just thought it would be a cool and easy way to spend my time till klaaring out, riding around on horses.

HA!

Until I realised, a week before klaaring in at Berede, that a) I hated horses, and them me, and b) I knew FUCKALL about riding them, and really had no desire to learn. I'd been on a horse twice in my life up to then and had been thrown off both times.

I was not a happy baby corporal that first morning when we checked in.....I mean SERIAASLY depressed....the smell of horse shit permeating the air didn't help. Until we stood in a queue in fron of Sgt NAGEL (remember him? Short blonde PF, horse type, sloping forehead, no neck, walrus moustache, dumb as a bag of spanners?) and, checking on his clipboard and namelist, he asked the oke in front of me "what are you? Horses or bikes?"

The penny dropped, they only had a namelist, no assignments..... so a bold-faced LIE got me into bikes  :laughing4: "Bikes sergeant" ..... "OK go that way".

3 seconds and some quick thinking that changed my life.  :biggrin:

Please continue in detail! Excellent reading  :thumleft:



 

   

Sgt Nagel!!  The short Viking.....I remember him well.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 16, 2015, 04:20:18 pm
We got R4's[Galil] in 1979, the first in the SADF to my knowledge. The Bats were specifically pissed off that they still had to jump with folding-stock R1's.

By obvious coincidence, my best buddy in high school Gerry Brand, landed up in Bungalow 175, Charlie company, 1SAI Bloemfontein with me.
During the last week or two of basic training Bike Squad selection group came around, I have never heard of this Bike Squad before. Gerry and myself were already
selected for parabats, but I could not pass up this biking opportunity.
Feeling terrible, I split ways with my buddy, and got into BikeSquad.
I do not remember us having to do any PT or tests to enter, they did select more guys than needed, and quite a number dropped out due to PT/bike riding/etc.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: gser on December 16, 2015, 06:27:07 pm
Doen PT oor !
Title: Re: Bikesquad - How I got selected for Bikesquad.
Post by: The Badger on February 04, 2016, 10:55:53 am
Thanks for all the lekker posts everyone.

Sorry for the long gap but I have been working out the country with limited Internet.

Dan and Jurie, nice insights .... thanks :thumleft:  We all seem to have unique experiences of getting into a very unique unit. I feel privileged  :deal:

Here are some pics and army badges relating to our unit Berede and SWASPES. Thanks to to Barry from the SWASPES  page.

After this I will start on our training.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: The Badger on February 04, 2016, 11:02:03 am
Some more.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: CUZZY on July 05, 2016, 12:07:49 pm
First time I've come across this thread. Excellent. I was in Bike Squad Platoon 6 and 7, July 79 to June 81 intake. I am still in contact with a number of guys that were in our intake. A couple of us have met up on a few occasions and forced a few Lion Lagers down when they were available! I was part of the section that stayed in camp the day Swannie was killed. Was bleak times. Especially knowing we would be riding out on those same roads and paths. Peter Fourie who lives in Windhoek seems to have a large collection of photos. I will try and get him to email me some and post them. We had an absolute jorl on the bikes and were totally out of control. Senior rank hated us. For me the funniest day of my life was the first time that our group rode in the very soft sand from Oshivello heading out towards Tsinsabis as part of our border orientation. At that stage I was one of the few that could ride soft sand. The crashes and falling off and riding into fences was a sight to behold. I nearly died laughing. I think the ranks threat was that if you couldn't ride soft sand you were out of bike squad. Most learned real fast!!
I think our favourite wheely spot  was outside the air force base where we got maximum audience! Many many fond memories!
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 04, 2016, 08:59:04 am
Hi Cuzzy!

You were then with my brother's intake, Francois Winterbach. Remember Juan Van der Spek?

We also had as one of our 1st trips, the Tsintsabis route and this is where I saw with my own eyes how a guy [think it was Gobie] gets hung up in a thorn tree that his feet is nt touching ground. Much hilarity from the rest of us over his misfortune. This was about July 1979, on Honda XL350's.
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: steveindar on October 25, 2016, 01:07:16 pm
Anyone know where I can get a complete engine for an XR500RE?? Have posted in wanted but not much success. Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Bikesquad - Unit Nostalgia. Training Process to follow.
Post by: CUZZY on April 11, 2017, 12:53:06 pm
Come boys! We need more stories! And a reunion of sorts!