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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Honda CR / CRF / Africa Twin 1000 => Topic started by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2015, 01:13:48 pm

Title: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2015, 01:13:48 pm
Anybody got one for sale? IMS 15 litre or Acerbis 15.5 litre, hopefully in natural or white.  I'm not looking for the massive supertanker Safari or Acerbis 25 litre jobs.

I'll also consider rear tanks, if anybody wants to get rid of those.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 24, 2015, 02:35:03 pm
You and me both.. been scouring the earth for these tanks but its like hens teeth, I have the Clarke on now which is about 12/13L but that extra 2.5l mates a big difference... ive been considering bringing in rear tanks but then.. and im open to correction, you have to reroute the exhaust.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Airtime on November 24, 2015, 02:42:38 pm
Bill I have the 13lt tank for sale if you interested
Fuzzy you can get a Safari 5lt rear tank that fits with standard pipe, the 8.5lt tank requires a re- route.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2015, 03:08:21 pm
Thanks, if I go 13 I have to buy the expensive 8.5 rears, which I'm trying to avoid.  Appreciate the offer though.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2015, 03:11:14 pm
You and me both.. been scouring the earth for these tanks but its like hens teeth, I have the Clarke on now which is about 12/13L but that extra 2.5l mates a big difference... ive been considering bringing in rear tanks but then.. and im open to correction, you have to reroute the exhaust.

I'll order from eBay by the end of the week if I don't come right. R4200 and its here in a week, so no real sweat.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: JMG on November 24, 2015, 06:22:53 pm
Flying brick stock the rear tanks somewhere theres a whole thread about it with a list of size and for what bike. I may be wrong but I think in the xr group
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2015, 08:16:09 pm
Thanks, I'm aware of those
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Runner on November 25, 2015, 01:44:04 am
We have the Acerbis rear tanks or header tanks in 5 litre in stock, give us a call
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 25, 2015, 08:00:37 am
Maak so, Conrad
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 25, 2015, 12:09:45 pm
Bill I have the 13lt tank for sale if you interested
Fuzzy you can get a Safari 5lt rear tank that fits with standard pipe, the 8.5lt tank requires a re- route.

Noted tx.. Im not aware of the safari.. 5L is perfect. Ill look around.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Airtime on November 25, 2015, 04:11:04 pm
See pic its actually 5.5lt
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Runner on November 25, 2015, 08:08:15 pm
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Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Gwilliams on November 25, 2015, 09:38:00 pm
Got an Ali tank from GMX in the UK. If you are interested look at GMX understand what a new tank costs and give me a call if interested.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 25, 2015, 11:36:58 pm
See pic its actually 5.5lt

That's the guy... where the heck do you find these?
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: lamo on November 26, 2015, 11:30:58 am
Call jason 0722765747 he has a 15L tank and fmf pipe for sale
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 26, 2015, 01:43:02 pm
I have bought the tank and have an option on the fmf pipe
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 26, 2015, 04:24:32 pm
Anyone know where those rear side tanks are available from

Nice one Bill.. post pics hey... :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 26, 2015, 08:12:58 pm
Sent you a PM...
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 30, 2015, 02:53:06 pm
I've relinquished all my options, maybe somebody else can close the deal.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 30, 2015, 03:27:07 pm
I thought you bought the tank?
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Motties on November 30, 2015, 03:29:32 pm
Hi Bill,

Are you planning on doing the Amageza/other with the CRFX? Give us a bit of a comparison if you don't mind between the 450X and the 690 for that specific application (if that is your intention off course).

I have done Ama previously on a 690 and now own a 450X, which I might use if I do enter the Ama again. It would be interesting to hear what you think.

They are quite popular in Aus for the Safari, which I guess is fairly similar.

Cheers
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Dwerg on November 30, 2015, 03:29:52 pm
Son't want to import? Justgastanks.com sell them
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 01, 2015, 09:07:24 am
I told him I'll take it, but I could not make any further contact with seller.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 01, 2015, 09:17:50 am
Son't want to import? Justgastanks.com sell them

That or eBay.  I'll make a decision later today, see next post.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Dwerg on December 01, 2015, 09:19:59 am
Just stay away from http://www.crfsonly.com/. (http://www.crfsonly.com/.) In my mind, I built up a CRF that would cost more than a brand new 1290  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 01, 2015, 09:33:09 am
Hi Bill,

Are you planning on doing the Amageza/other with the CRFX? Give us a bit of a comparison if you don't mind between the 450X and the 690 for that specific application (if that is your intention off course).

I have done Ama previously on a 690 and now own a 450X, which I might use if I do enter the Ama again. It would be interesting to hear what you think.

They are quite popular in Aus for the Safari, which I guess is fairly similar.

Cheers

Hi Motties

I'm not doing Amageza proper for the next couple of years.  I'm helping Alex to pre-run the roadbooks for the Baja and the rallye.

I actual bought the 450x for a rental unit.  I am a partner in a off-road touring and rental start-up (we use DR650s for that).  The idea was the rent out a couple a rallye bikes as well.  However, the numbers are not really supporting that.  My 690 cost about R200k to build and the set-up is for somebody double Dwerg's size.

The 1st obstacle in the way of the CRF was getting it licensed.  The reg cert says OFF ROAD.  However, it passed roadworthy yesterday, so today is D-Day to see if I can bullshit my way into a license disk.

Until that is in place, I do not actually know how I will set it up.  If the disk is approved, it becomes a rallye bike with a front and rear tank but without a fairing.  If not, it becomes a Baja 1000 replica with a 12l front tank only and I strip out the road worthy harness and ancillaries and sell it.

I have taken it once around my test track and then I parked it.  It needs suspension work before I can run it close to any decent pace.  I'll strip it out tonight and send it to Superfoxi before Friday.

It feels long, heavy and slow turning, unlike any of my KTMs.  That is good, as I had to remove the progressive damper to fit the roadworthy stuff  ;D
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 03, 2015, 03:00:32 pm
So, it got licensed today, therefore it will become a rallye beast. The question:  I had to remove the PSD to get the harness to fit behind the light.  I'm assuming I would want to have a damper.  Can anybody give me a source for a Scotts mounting bracket?  And can I sell the OEM progressive damper? Do they have value?
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Motties on December 03, 2015, 09:36:15 pm
Thanks for the reply and good news on the license. The crf in my opinion does not need a damper nearly as desperately as any ktm that I have owned.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 03, 2015, 09:42:49 pm
Thanks Motties, since I generally have between 2 and 3 KTMs most of time, I have enough dampers to go around, so I just need to buy a mount/pillar.  However, if its not needed, that's real good news.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 21, 2015, 12:39:06 pm
Suspension was sent out to Superfoxi for a service and new heavy springs.  While it was out, I decided to re-grease the steering stem bearings.  So, I found out why the 450X was so stable that I thought it could work without a steering damper:  top bearing rusted solid.

(http://i.imgur.com/PNUjZZV.jpg?1)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: wolf skaap on December 21, 2015, 10:50:40 pm
So, it got licensed today, therefore it will become a rallye beast. The question:  I had to remove the PSD to get the harness to fit behind the light.  I'm assuming I would want to have a damper.  Can anybody give me a source for a Scotts mounting bracket?  And can I sell the OEM progressive damper? Do they have value?
Registration number and all?
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Koosdp on December 22, 2015, 05:21:55 am
If anybody interrested, I have a tank for a Crf450. Will check the size and post.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Range Tank wanted
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 22, 2015, 07:56:27 am
So, it got licensed today, therefore it will become a rallye beast. The question:  I had to remove the PSD to get the harness to fit behind the light.  I'm assuming I would want to have a damper.  Can anybody give me a source for a Scotts mounting bracket?  And can I sell the OEM progressive damper? Do they have value?
Registration number and all?

Yes.  Disk, number plate, the worx  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 22, 2015, 07:57:24 am
If anybody interrested, I have a tank for a Crf450. Will check the size and post.  :thumleft:

Please do.  And post pics...
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 26, 2015, 10:45:01 am
While waiting for the suspension to come (courier picked it up last week, but I'll only get it on the 28th), I replaced the steering bearings.

Also fitted some wider footpegs:

(http://i.imgur.com/G4wSA7J.jpg?2)


I like the steel DRC pegs.  I'm heavier than most dirt bikes, so I don't like most of the cheaper aluminium pegs, I'm sure I can break them.  I've used the steel DRCs on my KTM 300 for 4 years (I moved them from my previous KTM 250) so I trust their strength.

Hopefully today I'll straighten the left radiator.  It is just stupidly hot in Upington again today.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 27, 2015, 06:30:01 pm
Before:

(http://i.imgur.com/l9A8uA6.jpg?1)

During:

(http://i.imgur.com/UPRtGao.jpg?1)

After:

(http://i.imgur.com/th2XXcw.jpg?1)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 27, 2015, 06:32:59 pm
Went for a 80% solution just to enable the shrouds to fit without strain. 

This coming week I should get the re-worked suspension and the fuel tank.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Gwilliams on December 29, 2015, 12:28:47 pm
Hi

I have a long range Ali tank if you are interested - generally I don't sell but if it is for a race bike - maybe we can talk. I am in Australia until 10 Jan 2016 - you can call me if interested when I am back on 0825513263
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 29, 2015, 02:55:20 pm
I think everybody will be phoning you on the 10th  :xxbah:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: sidetrack on January 04, 2016, 07:44:38 pm
While waiting for the suspension to come (courier picked it up last week, but I'll only get it on the 28th), I replaced the steering bearings.

Also fitted some wider footpegs:

(http://i.imgur.com/G4wSA7J.jpg?2)


I like the steel DRC pegs.  I'm heavier than most dirt bikes, so I don't like most of the cheaper aluminium pegs, I'm sure I can break them.  I've used the steel DRCs on my KTM 300 for 4 years (I moved them from my previous KTM 250) so I trust their strength.

Hopefully today I'll straighten the left radiator.  It is just stupidly hot in Upington again today.
Will you sell the stock pegs ? Been looking for ages for a set to mount to my XT660Z (with some mods)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 04, 2016, 09:00:10 pm
Not really.  You can have it, I have no need for it. You pay for shipping or send a courier.  But, in return, you must send me something bike related that you just know I will like.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: sidetrack on January 05, 2016, 10:18:11 am
Not really.  You can have it, I have no need for it. You pay for shipping or send a courier.  But, in return, you must send me something bike related that you just know I will like.
Sure thing PM shipping addresses and cost please  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 07, 2016, 08:33:40 am
Did suspension set-up this weekend after the re-spring.  Normally with my KTMs this is a major exercise.  Took me 15 min to get the rate of compression F/R balanced.  Another two clicks of F rebound and that was it.  Props to Superfoxi.

Took the X and my KTM 300 to our off-road test track to do some comparative set-up runs.  I did one run on the X and called it good, the suspension is that balanced.  No reason to keep tuning and chasing my tail.  Rest of the morning was spent burning 2 stroke, making it a good day.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 15, 2016, 06:55:28 pm
KTM fork shrouds fitted to help prevent pitting on the sliders.  Not pretty but effective.  Hope the valves were not contaminated.  At least the IMS tank looks nice.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZTELOVZ.jpg)

I still need to re-route the front brake cable and fit the road book and rest of the nav paraphernalia.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 25, 2016, 02:46:51 pm
Had a touch of trouble with the traffic authorities last week, so I decided to fit a speedo to the Honda.  I had a twin ICO set-up on my 690, so I diverted one across.  Easy way to double the value of a CRF  :imaposer:

(http://i.imgur.com/hDUufdz.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 25, 2016, 05:46:18 pm
Had a touch of trouble with the traffic authorities last week, so I decided to fit a speedo to the Honda.  I had a twin ICO set-up on my 690, so I diverted one across.  Easy way to double the value of a CRF  :imaposer:

An expensive option with minimal functionality though. :pot:  An Acwell is approx R1 600.00 with speed, dist, time, revcounter etc etc.

** Just yanking your chain **

Adie
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: superfoxi on January 25, 2016, 07:26:44 pm
KTM fork shrouds fitted to help prevent pitting on the sliders.  Not pretty but effective.  Hope the valves were not contaminated.  


I have some good 2nd hand (KTM-style) red fork protectors for you.
Will send them with the next parts shipment  ;)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 25, 2016, 07:56:34 pm
My Honda thanks you.  I can see it blushing when I park it between the 300 and the 690  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 25, 2016, 08:00:49 pm
Had a touch of trouble with the traffic authorities last week, so I decided to fit a speedo to the Honda.  I had a twin ICO set-up on my 690, so I diverted one across.  Easy way to double the value of a CRF  :imaposer:

An expensive option with minimal functionality though. :pot:  An Acwell is approx R1 600.00 with speed, dist, time, revcounter etc etc.

** Just yanking your chain **

Adie

But, but, but......Yes :P   OK, here's a good reason:  I had one. And I can see my true heading  :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 28, 2016, 09:00:43 pm
I'm getting rid of the mechanical odo drive unit, as I'm running a GPS based speedo/odo.  Mine was in any case not working

(http://i.imgur.com/xnjrEBQ.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 28, 2016, 09:11:01 pm
Its stupidly easy.  Remove the drive unit and clean everything up.  In the orifice simply push in a non-drive side dust seal.  The Pivot Works kit has everything you need, but I bought the dust seals from my local bearing supplier for R15 each and the spacers from eBay for R110 each.

(http://i.imgur.com/WtgJLVR.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 28, 2016, 09:16:13 pm
The spacer is then simply pushed into the dust seal and you are done.

(http://i.imgur.com/KyCojPX.jpg)

I'm using the Pivot Works spacer on this side.  As can be seen, it has an internal o-ring, which stops water from getting into the bearings past the axle.
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: katana on January 28, 2016, 10:07:13 pm
I want a spacer like that for my WR.  Did you get it locally?
Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 29, 2016, 08:32:04 am
Call Glen at Motohut,  ask him to get Pivot Works #
PWFWC-Y07-500 for you:

http://www.pivotworks.com/ProductInfo.aspx?item_id=4374 (http://www.pivotworks.com/ProductInfo.aspx?item_id=4374)

and

http://motohut.co.za/contact_us (http://motohut.co.za/contact_us)


Title: Re: CRF450X Long Distance Race Bike Build
Post by: katana on January 29, 2016, 12:32:13 pm
Call Glen at Motohut,  ask him to get Pivot Works #
PWFWC-Y07-500 for you:

http://www.pivotworks.com/ProductInfo.aspx?item_id=4374 (http://www.pivotworks.com/ProductInfo.aspx?item_id=4374)

and

http://motohut.co.za/contact_us (http://motohut.co.za/contact_us)




Thank you  :thumleft: