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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Kobus Myburgh on December 20, 2015, 07:12:08 pm

Title: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 20, 2015, 07:12:08 pm
I see quite often 'die ou manne' moaning that nothing is happening on the forum.  I tend to disagree whole heartedly and today, not having beach weather here in Tergniet, I spent a lot of time on the forum and enjoyed it thoroughly.

So ......... I have been riding bikes for quite some time but actually have very little experience, especially in the adventure traveling section.

My eerste langerige trip was saam met BikerJan en ek het maar met my oe gesteel.  Daar het ek gesien mens pak lig, nie soos ek wat die hele huis en kitchen sink in al wat 'n pannier is probeer inpak nie.

Nou ja, nou het ek die +-1,500km die jaar af see toe gedoen en man, was dit lekker!  :ricky:

Now I would like to ask of all the 'ou manne' to share what works and what not on these type of travels.  I enjoyed the preparation as much as the actual ride and am sure there's other guys like me that would like to get it as close to 100% in preparation as could be.

I'll start off with the following:

Tent - my <R500 tent from Makro worked great on the trip
Mattress - those roll up things is not even good for yoga - R99 wasted, correction, will cut it up and use it to line my panniers
Tools - thanks to Maartin at Offroad Touring & Equipment that helped me a great deal.  The under topbox toolbag worked like a charm
GPS - Garmin Zumo 390 with T4A took me everywhere I wanted to go
Mitas E-10's does not give great mileage

Gooi some pics where possible
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Vis Arend on December 20, 2015, 07:59:25 pm
Mattress - those roll up things is not even good for yoga - R99 wasted, correction, will cut it up and use it to line my panniers


That does not work.   :deal:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Straatkat on December 20, 2015, 08:05:45 pm
Pack everything on the bed that you want to take with, also your cash, then half the stuff and double the cash. Then you are still taking too much. You cannot prepare for every eventuality, so only take essentials. If there is something you left behind and really need it, you can buy it along the way.
And make a packlist after your first trip and scratch all the stuff off that you didn't use.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 20, 2015, 08:13:20 pm
Mattress - those roll up things is not even good for yoga - R99 wasted, correction, will cut it up and use it to line my panniers


That does not work.   :deal:


Dit kan ek waardeer - raad voor ek (of ander) die verkeerde ding doen. Dankie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 20, 2015, 08:17:00 pm
Pack everything on the bed that you want to take with, also your cash, then half the stuff and double the cash. Then you are still taking too much. You cannot prepare for every eventuality, so only take essentials. If there is something you left behind and really need it, you can buy it along the way.
And make a packlist after your first trip and scratch all the stuff off that you didn't use.

I couldn't agree more - learned this with overland 4x4 trips
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 20, 2015, 08:22:38 pm
Test your gear before the trip!

I got 2 camping gas cylinders from my neighbor when he emigrated and then bought the little cooker top to go with it, only to find out, when trying to make coffee, that the two is not compatible.  :eek7:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on December 20, 2015, 08:29:40 pm
There's a couple of really good discussions on advrider with regards to packing. Plenty of rtw people that share their experience of what works.

Two man tent from 360° works for me and the wife.
We use the joga mats. Its light and rolls easy. I can't afford two selfinflating mattresses!

1 sleeping bag and one fleece blanket. Buy the fleece at a material shop. Cheap and you decide how big.

Inflatable pillows! That's the shit! Rolls up in your bedding, weighs nothing, cheap and cool in summer!

Moon bag. Looks kinda shite but works well for phone,wallet etc.

1 set atgatt. 2 thin t-shirts. Swim shorts that can double as normal shorts. 2sets riding socks. Underwear. Light,warm fleece jacket.

We got full size towels that roll as big ad a 500ml coke bottle. They dry out in 30 min and grass and sand don't cling to them.

Folding shovel dependent kind of trip you do. Mine weighs nothing, folds small and helps a lot to smooth out a area to pitch the tent. Nothing more annoying than sleeping on a clump of grass or a rock!

Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: shanti on December 20, 2015, 09:08:37 pm
Here are a few things that have helped me over the years with my bike trips , I camp when on my bike journeys so I pack accordingly .
WORKS
Kikoi - I always travel with one
packet of firelighters , quick and easy and you have your fire
Fold up stool X type - fastened to my pannier rack easy and in scorpion territory is a good friend
Swiss Army knife - essential
Msr water bladder 6 liter - packs flat , is good for water around campsite and for nights out free camping .
Campo Vaude tent - great tent has entrances back and front , very light , muted colour ( great for free camping ) and areas under the fly sheet but not in the tent for your boots etc
Aerostitch tank panniers - very handy for carrying supplies for on route - good crash protection as well :)
Small six can soft plastic cooler box - this thing folds up when not in use and is handy if you come across a shop early in the day and want to transport some meat  for your fire in the evening
Rokstraps - the best tie down method

DOESN'T WORK
Jeans - they are bulky , filthy very quickly and don't dry fast
Long johns - useless , don't dry quickly
Camp Master single blow up mattress - cursed the thing every night blowing it up for two trips - I dont learn easy
Camp light - useless head torch much better , fire light , head light or no light - easy  - don't recommend






Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 20, 2015, 09:52:54 pm
Mattress - those roll up things is not even good for yoga - R99 wasted, correction, will cut it up and use it to line my panniers


That does not work.   :deal:


Nope. They break up and fall apart.

Rather get a sheet of that thin carpeting used on boat floors. Make a template with some paper or cardboard, cut the carpet and glue it in with contact glue. Works beauts. And of course, pannier bags. Makes unpacking when staying at a B&B so much easier.

When camping, use the panniers as eating or food prep tables. Unclip from bike and stand them against each other on the ground.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 06:23:43 am
Shanti, what is a kikoi?

As with the Swiss army knife, I don't travel anywhere without my Leatherman wave. Had to cut a loose lying wire that got stuck in my back wheel when we pulled off the road for some shelter in the Freestate.  (No we did not cut the fence)

I also carry a cable converting the Hella 12V outlets to normal cigarette lighter outlets for charging the odd thing.  I think a better bet would be these small power banks you get lately, especially for charging your phone.

With the latest cellphone technology, I also refrain from carrying a camera around.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Fudmucker on December 21, 2015, 06:33:10 am
The greatest invention for all biking is...

the ziplock plastic bag!

Put one pair of scants, one Tshirt and socks in a bag for each day of the ride.
If it's in the bag, it is clean and dry.
If it is not, it is rolled up and stuffed in the bottom.
You can have clean+dry and dirty+wet in the same luggage.
Ziplocks work for almost anything you want to keep separate but in one place.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 21, 2015, 06:39:27 am
Shanti, what is a kikoi?
A kikoi is usually brightly colored, made of cotton, and made in Kenya....

A large piece of fabric that you can wrap around your waist, like a beach towel,etc.
Has many uses; blanket, towel, clothing, ground covering to lie on, etc.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 06:42:04 am
Shanti, what is a kikoi?
A kikoi is usually brightly colored, made of cotton, and made in Kenya....

A large piece of fabric that you can wrap around your waist, like a beach towel,etc.
Has many uses; blanket, towel, clothing, ground covering to lie on, etc.
Cheers
Chris

Thanks Chris  :thumleft:  Is the correct spelling kikoy?  Where's WB when you need him  :biggrin:

Wish I started this thread before I left Gauteng
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 06:47:22 am
The greatest invention for all biking is...

the ziplock plastic bag!

Put one pair of scants, one Tshirt and socks in a bag for each day of the ride.
If it's in the bag, it is clean and dry.
If it is not, it is rolled up and stuffed in the bottom.
You can have clean+dry and dirty+wet in the same luggage.
Ziplocks work for almost anything you want to keep separate but in one place.

Makes a hell of a lot of sense, thanks FM
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on December 21, 2015, 07:24:47 am
100% for the zip locks! We also take some black dustbin bags along. Works for everything; raincoat, work surface next to the road, waterproofing panniers etc.

Pratley steel.

Small vice grip.

Test light.

MTB hand pump.

Cable ties.

Insulation tape.

Small container of sunlight liquid. Works as handsoap, tyre lube and obviously the dishes needs to be washed.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 07:29:20 am
100% for the zip locks! We also take some black dustbin bags along. Works for everything; raincoat, work surface next to the road, waterproofing panniers etc.

Pratley steel.

Small vice grip.

Test light.

MTB hand pump.

Cable ties.

Insulation tape.

Small container of sunlight liquid. Works as handsoap, tyre lube and obviously the dishes needs to be washed.

And duct tape!
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 21, 2015, 08:16:30 am
duct tape can also be used to keep the pillion quiet  :peepwall:  :pot:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: jaybiker on December 21, 2015, 08:21:10 am
Shanti, what is a kikoi?
A kikoi is usually brightly colored, made of cotton, and made in Kenya....

A large piece of fabric that you can wrap around your waist, like a beach towel,etc.
Has many uses; blanket, towel, clothing, ground covering to lie on, etc.
Cheers
Chris




It's a man's skirt!  :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 21, 2015, 08:31:49 am
Wearing a skirt can be very liberating. The breeze blowing up cooling the danglies is very erotic  ;D
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Coala on December 21, 2015, 11:52:09 am
here is my list of do's and dont's

Dont take a tinted visor (if it rains heavily you are in trouble) - rather take a pair of sunglasses (worth spending money on a good one).  Anyone who has been riding into the sun for a long stretch will probably agree.
Dont overplan (allow some flexibility)
Dont over pack (as per the posts below)
do a long trip in a new helmet
dont take a watch

DO

test everything you take along (including ALL the tools and what they are for)
take rain gear - even if the report says sunny all the way
sunblock - factor 40 and above
mozzi repellent and a small can of doom (for insects around your tent such as ants)
spend some money on a decent tent, mattres and sleeping bag and ground sheet - i dont bother with a pillow (thats why you have a towel and clothes)
despite your advance gps - take a good old fasioned quality map (and trace your route on it)
get a good foldable grid and braai triangle and kettle and coffee (an absolute must for a a good trip)
get a few packets of the blitz that you can start inside their wrapping (they dont smell and you can pack them anywhere)
matches (lighters break)
spend some time in compiling a decent medical kit - make a nice printout whats in it and what each item is for

take it easy and enjoy the ride


Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 12:07:26 pm
Thanks Coala,

Nice list.

Ok, so I strapped my sleeping bag on top of the pannier.  If it rained any more than it did, it wouldn't have had time to dry.  Any good advice on waterproof kit to store it in next time or perhaps alternatives to what I did?

What I also did with the coffee, opposed to coffee bags, is premix the coffee powder, sugar and powdered milk in a small container beforehand, any other ideas?
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 21, 2015, 12:10:03 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Coala on December 21, 2015, 12:17:45 pm
you can get dry bags for a decent price (and a few names to choose from).  Maybe go for a 20 liter so you have additional space should you require it - they are almost all below R250.  Always pack a few extra straps (never bungy cords).  I have even packed a few black bags (the thick rubbish bags) and these worked their magic when required.  I am particular when it comes to coffee so the last one to ask lol.  I will rather not pack a pillow than sacrifice my coffee. So what i use depend on what i am in the mood for.  Sometimes i use the coffee bags (like tea bags) - nice to brew them in the kettle and they pack easily.  I also travel with a small plastic pot of honey (as opposed to sugar and helps for infections and wounds).  I dont bother with milk.  

some use a under arm roll prop to cover the ignition overnight when it rains (i use the black rubbish bag and pull it over)

as i often use hard alu panniers i also have the small Trax table - it actually works like a dream.  
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Coala on December 21, 2015, 12:20:09 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.

if your route varies between tar and dirt then it is worth your while.  Cannisters for me are for emergencies (when in a dodgy area) only so have them.  But a compressor is worth its weight in gold on a long trip.   
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: jaybiker on December 21, 2015, 12:25:58 pm
Thanks Coala,

Nice list.

Ok, so I strapped my sleeping bag on top of the pannier.  If it rained any more than it did, it wouldn't have had time to dry.  Any good advice on waterproof kit to store it in next time or perhaps alternatives to what I did?

What I also did with the coffee, opposed to coffee bags, is premix the coffee powder, sugar and powdered milk in a small container beforehand, any other ideas?


If you are a purist for ground coffee this may not suit you, but condensed milk is a two in one solution, and doesn't readily 'go off'. With Nescafe classic or similar it makes an acceptable cuppa.
'Specially if you spike it with a little something extra. >:D
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 21, 2015, 12:31:49 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.

if your route varies between tar and dirt then it is worth your while.  Cannisters for me are for emergencies (when in a dodgy area) only so have them.  But a compressor is worth its weight in gold on a long trip.   

I guess if you're constantly deflating and inflating a compressor makes sense then. Those cannisters would add up eventually to the cost of a compressor.

I have a really cool compressor that came with my RX8 (because they don't have space for a spare). Even used it for my Jeep that has 32" Mud Terrain tyres on, so I'm sure it would work. Its roughly the size and shape of a kid's lunchbox, and has spare valves and a valve tool in.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Leo on December 21, 2015, 12:45:26 pm
Always ride with earplugs. You'll feel 80% better after a long day in the saddle. Music might be great, but it distracts you and you can't hear if anything goes wrong. The noise also tires you.
A blow up pillow works great, but it keeps on slipping out from under your head. To overcome the problem, fold you kikoi double and put the pillow inside. When you lie down, you rest your torso on the open end, that way the pillow can not slide from under your head.  :ricky:
On extended tours, plan on 300 - 450 km per day max. If you do more, you can have an extra rest day  :thumleft:
Get those K-Way pants with the zip off sleeves. They dry quickly and can double up as a shorts or a costume for swimming.
Get the similar type shirts, they dry quickly.
On extended tours, take your oldest t-shirt. Once it gets filthy, throw it away and buy anew one - Africa is littered with cheap Chinese shit around every corner.  Viola, only one shirt to pack plus maybe one spare.
In Africa.hen you can, fill up with petrol. You only have too much fuel when you're on fire.
The story about packing on a bed and only take half works best  :deal:
Never pack liquids in the same pannier as you sleeping bag and clothes.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Coala on December 21, 2015, 01:01:04 pm
I also think prioritise where to spend your money on:

I am relatively cheap skate BUT i spent my money on:

A good tent - i went for the First Accent Starlight due to its weight, quality of material, type of pegs it use and design (its lekker long as well 2.2).  Will set you back north of R1300
A good mattres - i went for a compact type such as the Klymit - around R1000 (the yoga types dont work for me and too bulky)
A good sleeping bag (rated to -5 to -15) I have a very compact one that has a hoodie.  Best to get one that can zip open completely for when it is warm. That is also pricy (north of R1000).

but those three items allow for a decent night sleep (critical for me as i really enjoy my sleep). 
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: whitedelight on December 21, 2015, 01:09:47 pm
Most have been covered already. One not seen yet is I take Alcolin silicone tape. Can be used as insulation or any temp fix for water pipes and other fixes,sticks to itself.
Medical kit,two lighters,multi tool,compressor,tubes,extra Rok straps,biltong,never forget the biltong. Decent sharp knife and my next trip got a collapsing night stick.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: K-9 on December 21, 2015, 01:11:18 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.

if your route varies between tar and dirt then it is worth your while.  Cannisters for me are for emergencies (when in a dodgy area) only so have them.  But a compressor is worth its weight in gold on a long trip.   

"I guess if you're constantly deflating and inflating a compressor makes sense then. Those cannisters would add up eventually to the cost of a compressor."

its not about cost.  on my last trip I ended up with 3 holes, in a brand new TKC.  the canister worked fine the first time.  my mates compressor did not work as it blew a fuse, my compressor worked the 2nd and 3rd time.  and again to get the pressure right for tar riding 6 days latter.

another trip the one hole  on my friends bike - it did not matter what we did, we could not seal the hole even after several attempts and 6 plugs at a time.  we ended up pumping the tyre every 100kms or so.  

canisters are fine but- very limited.  

always i carry both.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: whitedelight on December 21, 2015, 01:13:44 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.

if your route varies between tar and dirt then it is worth your while.  Cannisters for me are for emergencies (when in a dodgy area) only so have them.  But a compressor is worth its weight in gold on a long trip.   

"I guess if you're constantly deflating and inflating a compressor makes sense then. Those cannisters would add up eventually to the cost of a compressor."

its not about cost.  on my last trip I ended up with 3 holes, in a brand new TKC.  the canister worked fine the first time.  my mates compressor did not work as it blew a fuse, my compressor worked the 2nd and 3rd time.  and again to get the pressure right for tar riding 6 days latter.

another trip the one hole  on my friends bike - it did not matter what we did, we could not seal the hole even after several attempts and 6 plugs at a time.  we ended up pumping the tyre every 100kms or so.  

canisters are fine but- very limited.  

always i carry both.

Yep I take both as well.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Xpat on December 21, 2015, 01:19:43 pm
I have a question. Why should I bother with an expensive compressor when I have a tyre repair kit that has the valve and co2 cannisters in? Any scenario where that won't work?

Good tips so far. Thanks.

if your route varies between tar and dirt then it is worth your while.  Cannisters for me are for emergencies (when in a dodgy area) only so have them.  But a compressor is worth its weight in gold on a long trip.   

I guess if you're constantly deflating and inflating a compressor makes sense then. Those cannisters would add up eventually to the cost of a compressor.

I have a really cool compressor that came with my RX8 (because they don't have space for a spare). Even used it for my Jeep that has 32" Mud Terrain tyres on, so I'm sure it would work. Its roughly the size and shape of a kid's lunchbox, and has spare valves and a valve tool in.

I tend to ride on my own and deep into the sticks so my opinion is based on that.

If I would be ridding tubeless tyres (I used long time ago), I would carry compressor to be able to ge the bead on tyre if it breaks (yes it can be done with small compressor and few straps - I've done it many times). Without compressor your only options to get the bead are the CO2 canisters (which are hit and miss affair not guaranteeing the result leaving you stranded), spare tubes with MTB handpump (which I always carried even with tubeless tyres as I almost always scored cuts that weren't fixble with plugs), or blowing up petrol in the tyre (which may backfire badly). Of those options compressor (and tubes) seem to me as the most reliable to get you going again.

With the tubed wheels I have now I used to carry compressor for comfort, but ditched it now to save space and weight.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: husky on December 21, 2015, 01:21:21 pm
Strap everything with two straps, even your topbox.

After a stop, make a habit of checking that you have everything; wallet, glasses, etc.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 21, 2015, 02:38:17 pm
or blowing up petrol in the tyre (which may backfire badly).

A can of deodorant works very well for 4x4 tyres. As long as you're aware of where your fingers are when you light it. Not sure if it's possible to damage the bike rim this way, though.

The way I've done it (many times, and without losing fingers), is to spray the inside of the tyre relatively full of deodorant, and then while still spraying, move back a bit and light the stream coming from the can briefly while pointed at the gap between tyre and rim, and release the button quickly.

If the can of deodorant is almost empty, there's more chance of blowing up your hand, as the flame travels up the stream because there's not enough pressure left in the can.

Yes, it's dangerous if you're not careful. But so is riding a bike.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: jaybiker on December 21, 2015, 03:47:22 pm
Those tips about using petrol or deodorant to seal your tyre beads sound a bit dodgy, but I guess if something goes wrong at least your insurance will cover the damage?  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Xpat on December 21, 2015, 04:35:52 pm
Well, here is equaly dodgy video showing that it works:

https://www.youtube.com/v/lqH024lxbTg


@Clint_G: if you feel confident that you will be able to get the bead on using your way, then I don't think you need to carry compresor.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: DEE 1150 on December 21, 2015, 05:13:00 pm
I'm one of those guys . . . love my gear and gadgets (Not fancy hi-tech stuff, practical stuff)

Here is a few of my favourites. (Use it not only on bike trips, but also hiking, camping and kayak trips)

Water purification:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w4-devJGrAg/Uj2wgy6Ej9I/AAAAAAAABTk/EQrh18XEokE/s400/IMG_6764.JPG)



Braai-grid in a pipe:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A8Pb71INX7E/Uj2reJSNTFI/AAAAAAAABSk/kv8nnXjeNCo/s400/IMG_6758.JPG)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wdFh3rz_kqw/Uj2rkBTeugI/AAAAAAAABSw/-7Wuonsu2cQ/s400/IMG_6759.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aLpcyLN0qfU/UlebofEIfGI/AAAAAAAABYc/1ejL_dvn0-g/s400/IMG_6865.JPG)


Kovea Titanium Stove:
Tried a lot, found this one the best. Small and powerful. Different size canisters available that can be matched with the duration of the trip.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sAJYH4MoLf4/UhnOjK1b3WI/AAAAAAAABDY/Uld7aIY3Bq4/s400/IMG_6624.JPG)


K-Way One Person Cook Set:
The lekka thing about this, is that the Kovea Stove with a medium canister, fits perfectly inside (space saving)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g6JfL13rR58/Vnjb6LUPICI/AAAAAAAAC1g/1ft8YxYDZYc/s400/20151222_062951.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Zll3s9E3tQ8/Vnjb7UWocgI/AAAAAAAAC1o/2r00oK7w-p4/s400/20151222_063036.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xi6KK87dimw/Vnjb8YCj4bI/AAAAAAAAC1w/WQlJlfMdu2E/s400/20151222_063132.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ok7EJtcbgYA/Vnjb9ONk6YI/AAAAAAAAC10/lRo3ABlJ_pE/s400/20151222_063307.jpg)


Go NOWHERE without my Kikoy:
Ten zillion uses.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fxi_zWJJT4U/T-uBRHFVtjI/AAAAAAAAAFY/IhcqHV7u0dU/s400/DSCN0995a.jpg)

Even use it to cover the bread dough (deeg) to rise  ;D

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xPsKWI3Ws_I/UlebQdPoDpI/AAAAAAAABX0/umhZGrc41ck/s400/IMG_6857.JPG)



For Blitz (fire starting), I use cotton mixed with Vaseline, stored in a pill holder. (Bit of a mess to mix, but light and small to take with)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z-gIzfwZOqs/UleWk_8vphI/AAAAAAAABXY/ZUfv6evzsfI/s400/IMG_6850.JPG)



Something quite new(ish) I found in the coffee department:

Cup a Ground from Coffee Excellence.
Regte moer koffie in 'n baie nice sakkie konsep

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Gpp-rltj4-0/Vng6gQmo_RI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/vGF33ngjic8/s320/20151221_190704.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nPrTFETRApI/Vng6cDFmoAI/AAAAAAAAC1A/Ntn1PHBLxog/s320/20151221_190808.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g8SZQTBTwJg/Vng6dEr5NlI/AAAAAAAAC1I/O84-kvDO0jA/s320/20151221_190821.jpg)

Just add boiling water !!!


Power Bank:

For a long time been using this 6000 mAh one (don't bother with smaller than 6000 mAh)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wzI-QGcqyCI/U4laxM0XwII/AAAAAAAABs4/kkkW_eNPeEg/s1600/Kakamas-20140525-00215%5B1%5D.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jQahiD5yUP8/U4la14Y2NXI/AAAAAAAABtA/71f4HV6ZbPc/s1600/Kakamas-20140525-00219%5B1%5D.jpg)

Used this mostly/solely for charging phone and headlamp (kopflits)

NEW addition, on its way in January, a WUHAI 30 000 mAh powerbank, with the added benefit of jump starting the bike / car etc.


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7O9jfFcuwxg/VnjgevnxAQI/AAAAAAAAC2E/WSMXkLSysY0/s400/278774_150604011914_wuhai4.jpg)

Really hope it is as good as the promise !



Nitecore HC90 Headlamp:


To be honest, it is a bit bulky for a headlamp.

Things I do like about it:
Full aluminium alloy "unibody" construction. (Lekker sterk, kan punches vat !)
Max 900 lumens (As jy 'n ding is sy m@&r WIL lig)
Infinitely variable brightness via unique sliding switch. (dis nogal handig)
Secondary green, red and blue illumination
Micro USB Rechargeable (Powerbank weer 'n backup)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qtVoS6BqBzs/VnjvfdHyoaI/AAAAAAAAC2U/UzgEuDmGViw/s320/HC90_OI1.jpg) 

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DKglgR-LAu0/VnjvhvQCBFI/AAAAAAAAC2c/wRry__KhuTs/s320/HC90_15.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bSA_1DAqCLs/VnjvlFZj1TI/AAAAAAAAC2s/YEOyC7FCTRk/s320/HC90_16_USB.jpg)













Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: subie on December 21, 2015, 06:11:57 pm
Ek vat net n  kussingsloop saam.
Aand in die tent prop al jou klere,tentsak,rybroek en wat jy ookal het daarin .

Onthou  4 dae per onderbroek. Dag 1 gewoonweg. Dag twee agterstevoor om. Dag drie omgedop en dan
dag vier weer agterste voorom. So 8 dae trip is net twee onderbroeke.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: shanti on December 21, 2015, 06:45:59 pm
I think the humble kikoi/kikoy needs a thread of its own :)
Surely one of the best traveling items ..
Subie you do know that underpants don't dissolve in water ?  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Fudmucker on December 21, 2015, 06:59:48 pm
Ok, so I strapped my sleeping bag on top of the pannier.  If it rained any more than it did, it wouldn't have had time to dry. 
Any good advice on waterproof kit to store it in next time or perhaps alternatives to what I did?

KtmK, have a look here:   http://www.helen2wheels.com/ (http://www.helen2wheels.com/)

Not the products per se, but the principles of sorting stuff from each other.
Soft + Dry together in waterproof roll-top bags.
That "useless" foam yoga mat makes a great tube to stuff your sleeping bag inside when you put it in the waterproof bag.
I use the yoga mat on top of a ribz stretcher.

Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Gérrard on December 21, 2015, 07:32:53 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0) You can only survive that long punishing yourself...

... and then you say WTF  :lol8:
Title: Re:
Post by: mike gs on December 21, 2015, 08:27:03 pm
Mr Z. I liked the comment earlier about duct tape and the pillion. It turns No No No into Mm Mm Mm!

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Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 21, 2015, 11:26:22 pm
Ok, so I strapped my sleeping bag on top of the pannier.  If it rained any more than it did, it wouldn't have had time to dry. 
Any good advice on waterproof kit to store it in next time or perhaps alternatives to what I did?

KtmK, have a look here:   http://www.helen2wheels.com/ (http://www.helen2wheels.com/)

Not the products per se, but the principles of sorting stuff from each other.
Soft + Dry together in waterproof roll-top bags.
That "useless" foam yoga mat makes a great tube to stuff your sleeping bag inside when you put it in the waterproof bag.
I use the yoga mat on top of a ribz stretcher.



Thanks FM, getting some great tips off this thread and hope there's more benefiting from the wealth of experience shared  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Coala on December 22, 2015, 06:09:47 am
I'm one of those guys . . . love my gear and gadgets (Not fancy hi-tech stuff, practical stuff)

Here is a few of my favourites. (Use it not only on bike trips, but also hiking, camping and kayak trips)

Water purification:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w4-devJGrAg/Uj2wgy6Ej9I/AAAAAAAABTk/EQrh18XEokE/s400/IMG_6764.JPG)



Braai-grid in a pipe:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A8Pb71INX7E/Uj2reJSNTFI/AAAAAAAABSk/kv8nnXjeNCo/s400/IMG_6758.JPG)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wdFh3rz_kqw/Uj2rkBTeugI/AAAAAAAABSw/-7Wuonsu2cQ/s400/IMG_6759.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aLpcyLN0qfU/UlebofEIfGI/AAAAAAAABYc/1ejL_dvn0-g/s400/IMG_6865.JPG)


Kovea Titanium Stove:
Tried a lot, found this one the best. Small and powerful. Different size containers available that can be matched with the duration of the trip.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sAJYH4MoLf4/UhnOjK1b3WI/AAAAAAAABDY/Uld7aIY3Bq4/s400/IMG_6624.JPG)

Go NOWHERE without my Kikoy:
Ten zillion uses.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fxi_zWJJT4U/T-uBRHFVtjI/AAAAAAAAAFY/IhcqHV7u0dU/s400/DSCN0995a.jpg)

Even use it to cover the bread dough (deeg) to rise  ;D

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xPsKWI3Ws_I/UlebQdPoDpI/AAAAAAAABX0/umhZGrc41ck/s400/IMG_6857.JPG)



For Blitz (fire starting), I use cotton mixed with Vaseline, stored in a pill holder. (Bit of a mess to mix, but light and small to take with)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z-gIzfwZOqs/UleWk_8vphI/AAAAAAAABXY/ZUfv6evzsfI/s400/IMG_6850.JPG)



Something quite new(ish) I found in the coffee department:

Cup a Ground from Coffee Excellence.
Regte moer koffie in 'n baie nice sakkie konsep

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Gpp-rltj4-0/Vng6gQmo_RI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/vGF33ngjic8/s320/20151221_190704.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nPrTFETRApI/Vng6cDFmoAI/AAAAAAAAC1A/Ntn1PHBLxog/s320/20151221_190808.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g8SZQTBTwJg/Vng6dEr5NlI/AAAAAAAAC1I/O84-kvDO0jA/s320/20151221_190821.jpg)

nee wragtig nou voel ek baie plep met my swart sakke en koffiehuis sakkies.   :drif:














Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Vis Arend on December 22, 2015, 07:09:36 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0) You can only survive that long punishing yourself...

... and then you say WTF  :lol8:


 :biggrin:  Gatvol gesukkel, kamp nou in styl.   :deal:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 22, 2015, 07:41:39 am
my needs are slightly different, since my G450X 'Adventure Light cannot carry that much cargo, so most everything is miniaturized/optimized...!
(bikes can generally carry WEIGHT, but not BULK...)

(disclaimer: we sell SOME of the items I mention here, no promotion intended, I usually buy the product, test it, and then stock it!)

1. an ultra small - yet effective - sleeping bag, sometimes called Adventure Lite, sometimes called 'Amplify/Down-light' but the identical product.
rated down to a real 5-degrees C, it works for me nearly year-round, and when it is colder, I then use the item below...
2. a sleeping bag liner - serves 3 purposes - this one I have had around 20 years, bought it in Saudi Arabia, desert nites can be chilly: it lowers the temp rating of the sleeping bag even further, it allows you to climb filthy into a sleeping bag, keeping the sleeping bag clean, and it is useful on warm nights, as a mosquito defense system INSTEAD of a sleeping bag...
3. an army drinking bottle 'wif' in-built 'fire-bucket: this goes in my tank-bag, so I do not need a hot 7 heavy Camelback on my back. it has the Camelbak tube though, so I can still drink easily....  M-U-C-H easier to fill my bottle from a handy tap while even on the bike, than the old over-hyped Camelbak (my opinion  ;D ) Trail running - Camelbak! Adventure biking - let the donkey (beneath your legs - carry the flipping weight - NOT your back!)
the benefit of the 'fire-bucket' is that when taking the water bottle out, everything else stays in place inside the tank bag...
4. Ultra-small braai grid, take me 2 minutes flat to erect, and here it is pictured with a 9.5kg roll of brown paper on top, so yes, it CAN handle your wors and chops!
more to follow...
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 22, 2015, 07:53:17 am
here is the fire-bucket/water-bottle idea....
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 22, 2015, 07:55:39 am
and BOER Stealth tent...
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: DEE 1150 on December 22, 2015, 08:17:19 am
Chris, I'm envious of your braai grid ! Even smaller than mine !!!  ;D ;D ;D

Sleeping bag liner is also on my "to get" list
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 22, 2015, 08:24:33 am
Chris, I'm envious of your braai grid ! Even smaller than mine !!!  ;D ;D ;D

Sleeping bag liner is also on my "to get" list

Spend the extra money once, and get the proper sleeping bag liner. Mine is silk, cost a fortune, has lasted many years so far, packs up as small as a wallet, light as a feather, and works a dream.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 22, 2015, 08:36:26 am
Chris, I'm envious of your braai grid ! Even smaller than mine !!!  ;D ;D ;D

Sleeping bag liner is also on my "to get" list

Spend the extra money once, and get the proper sleeping bag liner. Mine is silk, cost a fortune, has lasted many years so far, packs up as small as a wallet, light as a feather, and works a dream.  :thumleft:
could not agree more, mine is 15+ years old, works a treat!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Ventana on December 22, 2015, 08:47:33 am
My requirements are slightly different - I have the missus on the bike with me.....(got to remember the duct tape advice!!).....which means she commands the panniers and I'm limited to the top-box and the tank bag.  As a consequence we need a bigger tent (3-man) which gets strapped to the top of the right pannier with the toolbag and medic kit on the left pannier - keeping weight as low as possible.  My clothing kept to absolute minimum - she takes a bit more....She enjoys the camping thing but at least every third or fourth night stay in a B&B.....

My best investment was to get pannier bags - makes packing much easier and certainly makes her happier.  She likes to pack for all seasons so invest in lightweight warm clothing - most of our stuff is First Ascent.  make sure you can make her a proper cup of coffee in the morning - and most importantly - pack your sense of humour - nothing worse than having a 'domestic' while on your dream adventure.  If you end up forgetting something then laugh about it - it's part of the story  ;D
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on December 22, 2015, 09:00:49 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=54369.0) You can only survive that long punishing yourself...

... and then you say WTF  :lol8:


Ai, en is daardie ys/vrieskas in Die Karretjie se boot nie lekker nie!!!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on December 22, 2015, 09:12:39 am
As my vrou daai "karretjie" sien is ek in groot bol! Sy sal dadelik n paar van my organe op eBay sit om die storie te finasier!
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on December 22, 2015, 09:52:28 am
As my vrou daai "karretjie" sien is ek in groot bol! Sy sal dadelik n paar van my organe op eBay sit om die storie te finasier!

  :spitcoffee:  Jis, wat 'n briljante idee ....... hoekom het ek nie daaraan gedink nie! 

Slim vrou wat jy het.  Ek hou sommer baie van haar. 
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on December 22, 2015, 11:05:26 am
Sy is nogal slim, mooi en oulik! Wys jou net; n blinde hoender pik ook n pit raak so nou en dan!
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: meteldog on December 22, 2015, 11:34:27 am
A packet of washing powder. Cut the amount of clothing you carry to a minimum and do a bit of washing every other day :-)
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Pavlovski on December 22, 2015, 12:47:47 pm
I always pack a small and basic First Aid kit
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Ventana on December 22, 2015, 02:28:44 pm
By the way - if you're looking for a cheap alternative to pannier bags then go get those Pick 'n Pay shopping bags that zip closed - think they cost about R15 each and fit perfectly into the 37l panniers......
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on December 22, 2015, 02:50:52 pm
Ek pak self 'n zillion goettertjies, maar die foelie Survival blanket kom nou in my gedagtes.  Ons gooi dit onder ons matrasse.  Dit keer dat die koue en vog nie "deurslaan" matras toe nie.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: DEE 1150 on December 22, 2015, 06:03:29 pm
Ek pak self 'n zillion goettertjies, maar die foelie Survival blanket kom nou in my gedagtes.  Ons gooi dit onder ons matrasse.  Dit keer dat die koue en vog nie "deurslaan" matras toe nie.

"Blink" idee !  ;D


I always pack a small and basic First Aid kit

Ek het 2 .
Een n First Aid kit, wat meestal verbande bevat  (stop bloed en  bind af goed vas)
Tweede een meer Medikitt. (Pille) Pille vir maag, lewer, ERNSTIGE pyn, allergie, ernstige allergie, ens ens
Neem ook goed saam soos Rehydrate,  Rennies, Lipbarm,  en n paar salfies.

Natuurlik onmoontlik om vir alles te cater, maar tog lekker om jouself of n mede ryer met n skeet te kan help
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Laban on December 22, 2015, 06:15:53 pm


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: subie on December 22, 2015, 06:43:23 pm


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

Toe ek jonk was het ek weer altyd n tweede helmet saamgery. Mens weet nooit hoe jou geluk draai op die
langpad nie.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on December 22, 2015, 11:04:08 pm
**** Opblaas van tubeless bande.  Tegniese info ****

ek het vir my 'n klien (pas in jou handpalm) beadbreaker gemaak en met die ontwikkeling moes ek die GS se band 'n hele paar keer afhaal.

Om die band op die bead te kry.
Eerste probeer het 3 bommetjies gekos - sonder sukses.
Tweede die fiets kompressor - geen sukses.
Derde die groot 3 fase werkswinkel kompressor - SUKSES

Dit het my so bietjie laak kyk wat die probleem is.

OPLOSSING.
As die band teruggesit word MOET NIE 'n deel reeds oor die 'bead' trek nie, dit veroorsaak reuse openinge waar die lug uit kan ontsnap. (groot volume nodig om meer as wat ontsnap in band te kry.)

Ek het beide kante van die band 'binne' die bead gehou en skottelgoed seepwater oorgegooi. As die een kant nog op die bead was werk dit nog beter.  Selfs my R75.00 Checkers kompressortjie het die band oor die bead gekry sonder 'n probleem, sommer 'n hele paar keer.  Ek het nie meer bomme oorgehad nie maar is seker dit sou ook werk aangesien daar omtrent geen wind verlore gegaan het nie.

Adie
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Draadwerk on December 23, 2015, 05:24:05 am
Gooi bietjie 'n video Adie asb...
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 07:39:32 am
Gooi bietjie 'n video Adie asb...

Sal ook graag wil sien.  Dit is iets wat ek baie vinnig moet aanleer, om beide tubeless en met tubes bande te herstel op 'n trip. 

Behalwe vir dit wat gepak en saamgery word, is daar natuurlik die basiese repairs en maintenance skills wat 'n mens moet bekom, maar dis seker 'n thread op sy eie! Wil graag weet waar mens al die dinge leer - ADA dalk so kursus?

Wat ek ook sien is dat die behoeftes obviously verskil as mens 'n pillion saam ry.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 07:48:52 am
Chris, that sleeping bag looks the business!  Need to get a price from you at some stage.  Wrt the water bottle vs camelback - If I remember the capacity of those correctly it was a liter?

I must admit that I still prefer my camelback for capacity and light items storage, ie cable ties etc. but also because I don't use a tank bag.  1 Liter would also not have worked yesterday for me on the visit to Gamkaskloof dam in a scorching +36 degrees   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: whitedelight on December 23, 2015, 08:02:10 am
By the way - if you're looking for a cheap alternative to pannier bags then go get those Pick 'n Pay shopping bags that zip closed - think they cost about R15 each and fit perfectly into the 37l panniers......

Yep I used them as well when I had hard luggage.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 08:05:51 am
Two things that worked well for me on my trip:

The toolbag under the topbox. Is a bit of work getting it out, but then again you don't hopefully use it that often.

Other thing was one of those aluminum bottles to store your favorite evening 'voggies' in  :ricky:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 23, 2015, 08:08:48 am
Chris, that sleeping bag looks the business!  Need to get a price from you at some stage.  Wrt the water bottle vs camelback - If I remember the capacity of those correctly it was a liter?

I must admit that I still prefer my camelback for capacity and light items storage, ie cable ties etc. but also because I don't use a tank bag.  1 Liter would also not have worked yesterday for me on the visit to Gamkaskloof dam in a scorching +36 degrees   :biggrin:
Yes, the sleeping bag was one of my better buys - works fantastically.
Yes, water capacity is 1L...
I have TWO bottles, only one shown here, I need to get to Milnerton market to buy the other bottle it's own firebucket - the Military Kombi place at Milnerton market sells these.
I am a light drinker (well, a light WATER drinker  ;D ) and 2L normally does me fine; added to the fact that is easier to fill the bottles (for me, anyway) , at any tap, means I keep them topped up when opportunity presents itself/
Yup, the Gamkaskloof looks HOT indeed!
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Damaraland on December 23, 2015, 08:13:57 am
Have refined my list down to a tee over the years, this is a fairly minimalistic setup but works brilliantly well for me.

Tools

The KTM has a fantastic tool kit, so apart from a Leatherman, tube changing goodies and some cable ties I take nothing extra.  Oh ya have only had good results with my slime compressor.

Clothes

The amount of clothes I take is always the same, whether I go away for 4 days or 14 days.

First Ascent technical / utility pants (legs zip off so they do double duty as swimming trunks and something for at night. Presentable enough to go to a restaurant with)
Adidas Soft shell top (packs small, black does not show dirt, also presentable for nice restaurant dinner)
2 x MX type riding shirts (The one I wear will get washed at night, also nice extra layer if cold at night)
2 x T-shirts (same story, wash and wear)
2 x Riding socks (pair I wear will get washed at night)
3 x underwear (wash whenever I shower)
Sneakers (do not like wearing plakkies in the bush and I don't wear crocs)
Hat

Camping

2 man bicycle tent from Midas (do not like bivvies as I prefer to have my kit with me in the tent. Straps to the back of my Giant Loop)
First Ascent Adventure Light Sleeping bag (cannot rave enough about this one, one of my best purchases ever. You have to see this thing to believe how small it packs and how light it is)
ATG Stretcher (Another awesome piece of kit, sleeping on a bike trip used to be a big problem for me, no more, get an easy 8 hours of proper sleep per night in, it's so comfortable)
Inflatable cushion (R30 from Due South, weighs nothing, more comfortable than sleeping on a bag full of clothes)
Spork (use my Leatherman for a knife)
Cup - packs of instant coffee / sugar / milk packs in here as well
K-Way Microfiber towel (compact & lightweight but dries you off well enough)
"Varkpan" (serves as kettle, pot and plate)
Kovea burner and gas (works well enough but carting around gas is a schlep, will change to something that can use petrol. Perhaps the ATG stove)
Small bottle of shower gel, small toothpaste and deodorant
Toilet Paper

Gadgets

GoPro 3
Garmin eTrex 20 (This thing is the business. No mucking around with power connections, this one gets about 24 hours on 2 x AA batteries. Very visible in direct sunlight plus none of that touchscreen rubbish which never works with a glove. It has a joystick that is easy to manipulate while riding.  I use the Garmin bicycle mount to mount it to my handlebars)
Ledlenser SEO7R headlamp - the best headlamp available, taking into account power, size and cost.
Spare pack of AA & AAA batteries (for Headlamp and GPS).
Spare battery and memory card for the Gopro
Battery pack (has USB connections so I use it to charge my phone and GoPro at night)
Hella -> Usb \9Use it to charge above battery pack while I ride)

Food

I don't bother, unless we're rough camping somewhere in the sticks. Rather have a big breakfast that stick on the ribs till the afternoon and then get something at the last shop I pass before we hit the campsite. Not a picky eater so happy with something as simple as a tin of bully beef.  That said, as a rule I'll have a pack of tuna, pack of biltong and one or two energy bars in the tankbag for emergencies, energy bars also make nice gifts.  

Water is the one thing I don't play with - I'll take 2 x 1L water in the Giant Loop, 2L in my camelback and 2 x 500ml in my tankbag, as a minimum.  Not a fan of energy drinks, rather eat properly, also it's difficult to wash hands / face / visor / wound with a sticky energy drink.

First Aid Kit

Don't know First-Aid unfortunately, so my FA kit is fairly basic

Imodium
USN Cramp Block
Assorted Plasters
Rehidrat
Mercurochrome
Savlon
Grandpa Powders
Bandage, Cotton Wool
Rennies

Weight Distribution

Two basic principles to adhere to, keep the weight down low and keep it in front of the rear axle.

Tools go into a GL pod bag and into the right "leg" of the Giant Loop
Stretcher, towel, sleeping back goes in the left "leg"
Clothes are rolled (not folded) and go into a compression bag in the GL.
Have a spare compression bag for dirty / wet clothes
First Aid Kit and oven goes into the center compartment of the GL so it's always easily accessible
Tent straps to the back of the Giant Loop

I have the SW-Motech Enduro Large tankbag, quality is very good but it's a bit large. When I stand I can feel it against my crotch so will swap for something smaller one day (the bag, not my crotch).  Perhaps a smaller KTM one, they seem rather nice + you can carry them as a back pack.  Anyway, all my random stuff goes in there (hat, phone, drink, snack, whatever).
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 08:14:49 am
Just one of the multiple uses of hard panniers  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 23, 2015, 08:18:44 am
...

I have the SW-Motech Enduro Large tankbag, quality is very good but it's a bit large. When I stand I can feel it against my crotch so will swap for something smaller one day (the bag, not my crotch).  Perhaps a smaller KTM one, they seem rather nice + you can carry them as a back pack.  Anyway, all my random stuff goes in there (hat, phone, drink, snack, whatever).
I ride with the SW Motech Enduro LITE tankbag, for the reason that anything bigger gets in my way, too (small 450 with no front tank) - basically, it expands UPWARDS, so can still take a fair bit of volume, so it is probably a good option to consider.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on December 23, 2015, 08:26:32 am
Jy is reg, ktmkobus.  Louis kan nie die bike start sonder my nie, so, hy het altyd 'n pillion.  Ons respekteer mekaar se spesiale behoeftes (binne perke, natuurlik).  

Ek ry nêrens sonder my gesig-goetertjies nie.  Ek kan op die grond sit, maar Louis cope nie goed sonder 'n behoorlike stoel nie.  Ek kan reg kom met 'n opblaas kussing, maar Louis se kop moet op sy kussing lê.  Ek kan nie my dag begin sonder koffie nie, ens, ens.

Elke mens het dinge wat vir hom of haar belangrik is en ek glo jou beplanning moet daar rondom gedoen word.  Daar is geen nut om tyd en geld op 'n trip te spandeer as jy misluk gaan wees omdat jou behoeftes nie vervul kan word nie.  

Jou draad is natuurlik geweldig nuttig.  Ek self het al 'n hele paar tips gekry op die - en ander drade.   Die beste wenk wat ek ontvang het, is die idee van fcprinsloo se vrou.  Volgende keer wat ek iets wil hê, gaan ek van Louis se organe op eBay verkoop  :imaposer: >:D
 
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 08:34:54 am
Jy is reg, ktmkobus.  Louis kan nie die bike start sonder my nie, so, hy het altyd 'n pillion.  Ons respekteer mekaar se spesiale behoeftes (binne perke, natuurlik).  

Ek ry nêrens sonder my gesig-goetertjies nie.  Ek kan op die grond sit, maar Louis cope nie goed sonder 'n behoorlike stoel nie.  Ek kan reg kom met 'n opblaas kussing, maar Louis se kop moet op sy kussing lê.  Ek kan nie my dag begin sonder koffie nie, ens, ens.

Elke mens het dinge wat vir hom of haar belangrik is en ek glo jou beplanning moet daar rondom gedoen word.  Daar is geen nut om tyd en geld op 'n trip te spandeer as jy misluk gaan wees omdat jou behoeftes nie vervul kan word nie.  

Jou draad is natuurlik geweldig nuttig.  Ek self het al 'n hele paar tips gekry op die - en ander drade.   Die beste wenk wat ek ontvang het, is die idee van fcprinsloo se vrou.  Volgende keer wat ek iets wil hê, gaan ek van Louis se organe op eBay verkoop  :imaposer: >:D
 


Mev Vis Arend, ek kan nie wag dat my ou vroutjie begin saamry nie! Ek sien sommer ek moet my aankope nou al vir daai dag beplan.

Ek is egter seker fcprinsloo het bedoel die organ - soos in, die orrel  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 23, 2015, 09:17:25 am


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

Laban jou genius!

Ek is seker dit is hoekom jy dit se:  :lol8:

http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/1-ways-a-condom-can-save-your-life-multi-functional-survival-uses-for-a-condom/ (http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/1-ways-a-condom-can-save-your-life-multi-functional-survival-uses-for-a-condom/)
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: DEE 1150 on December 23, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
On one of my bike trips, I had to use a rock as a chair ( like I normally did in my younger years)


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-adu1YoLwqXA/VB_XE0lafEI/AAAAAAAACJE/xsa1ITL9Usk/s1600/20140920_062804.jpg)


While my friend sat like this:


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mI88T2MZDEg/VCK9IFj6T5I/AAAAAAAACKY/IA5m5cqnMPs/s1600/Sep%2B2014%2B111.jpg)


or we sat like so:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kqwsds72ff0/VCFqaw3dkcI/AAAAAAAACKA/BFNQx40pqs8/s1600/Sep%2B2014%2B106.jpg)



Lesson learned !! Now you will seldom find me on the bike without my little tripod chair  ;D ;D

These chairs just have the tendency of tearing the seat material in the corners where the legs go in, so I made a seat with proper leather and tough leather support where the legs go in.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-89XKGr9W93o/U5Bf-iEpIUI/AAAAAAAABt0/1XoEAuK3beY/s1600/20140605_132312.jpg)
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 23, 2015, 02:41:28 pm


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

I used to use my Blackberry as my GPS on the GS800. So, one night I decide to ride through from Joburg to Rustenburg before heading home to Lichtenburg for a late-night visit to a friend-with-benefits. Halfway there, it starts pouring with rain. Usually, I would just put my phone back in my pocket, and check directions now and then, but I hadn't been to Rustenburg in years, so I didn't want to end up driving around an extra hour in the rain.

The shop attendant at the garage couldn't believe her eyes when I opened the condom in the shop, put my phone into it, and tied a knot, then slipped it back into the cradle on my bike.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: MiniDan on December 23, 2015, 02:51:22 pm


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

I used to use my Blackberry as my GPS on the GS800. So, one night I decide to ride through from Joburg to Rustenburg before heading home to Lichtenburg for a late-night visit to a friend-with-benefits. Halfway there, it starts pouring with rain. Usually, I would just put my phone back in my pocket, and check directions now and then, but I hadn't been to Rustenburg in years, so I didn't want to end up driving around an extra hour in the rain.

The shop attendant at the garage couldn't believe her eyes when I opened the condom in the shop, put my phone into it, and tied a knot, then slipped it back into the cradle on my bike.  :ricky:

Well that was stupid! What did you use then when you got to your friend?
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 23, 2015, 02:53:40 pm


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

I used to use my Blackberry as my GPS on the GS800. So, one night I decide to ride through from Joburg to Rustenburg before heading home to Lichtenburg for a late-night visit to a friend-with-benefits. Halfway there, it starts pouring with rain. Usually, I would just put my phone back in my pocket, and check directions now and then, but I hadn't been to Rustenburg in years, so I didn't want to end up driving around an extra hour in the rain.

The shop attendant at the garage couldn't believe her eyes when I opened the condom in the shop, put my phone into it, and tied a knot, then slipped it back into the cradle on my bike.  :ricky:

Well that was stupid! What did you use then when you got to your friend?

reverse gear  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 23, 2015, 03:05:54 pm
Well that was stupid! What did you use then when you got to your friend?

You do know they come in packs of 3, right?   :ricky:

reverse gear  :imaposer:

Wahahahahahaha. True story.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: MiniDan on December 23, 2015, 03:18:09 pm
Packs of 3!!!

Well that just made my day...

Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Mr Zog on December 23, 2015, 03:27:19 pm

You do know they come in packs of 3, right?   :ricky:


So you had a spare one for the ride home too  :ricky:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Clint_G on December 23, 2015, 03:38:38 pm
 :spitcoffee:

Exactly.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 23, 2015, 04:04:24 pm

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mI88T2MZDEg/VCK9IFj6T5I/AAAAAAAACKY/IA5m5cqnMPs/s1600/Sep%2B2014%2B111.jpg)

Lesson learned !! Now you will seldom find me on the bike without my little tripod chair  ;D ;D

These chairs just have the tendency of tearing the seat material in the corners where the legs go in, so I made a seat with proper leather and tough leather support where the legs go in.
some of our - ahem - HEAVIER customers take a rope, and the install it around leg A, B and C of that little tripod chair, which then converts an 80kg max chair up to say 130kg stool, and there are less, um, 'incidents' !  ;)
Cheers
Chris & Team
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: AJBotha on December 24, 2015, 07:31:29 am
Great tip!
Nice topic - soaking up tips!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Laban on December 24, 2015, 07:45:07 am


...ry altyd kondome saam... ;)

Laban jou genius!

Ek is seker dit is hoekom jy dit se:  :lol8:

http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/1-ways-a-condom-can-save-your-life-multi-functional-survival-uses-for-a-condom/ (http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/1-ways-a-condom-can-save-your-life-multi-functional-survival-uses-for-a-condom/)

...been around the block a few times.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: Obi -Wan on December 26, 2015, 05:27:14 am
Back in the day my basics instructor in the army had a saying around the 6 P's - Proper planning prevents piss poor performance. This mantra has stuck with me all my life and no doubt kept me out of one or two nasty situations.

There has been some fantastic advice given here and one learns from your peer group all the time. I have created an excel spreadsheet which lists all the stuff i need to take with - it tends to change as some things come and others go. I find that using a list means you never forget to pack anything. The next thing is to take a Saturday Afternoon, lay out everything that needs to go and pre pack the things that are going in their respective boxes,bags etc. This will be a trial and error situation until you are happy with where everything goes. One tip- keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and sleeping bags etc up high.

One of the Touratech Catalogues i saw had 1650 pages of stuff - It cannot all be used or packed onto your motorcycle! The stuff you need will come from Hiking and Mountaineering shops because it needs to be light and durable, particularly if you are camping.

Some Must haves -must do.

Make sure the bike is ready
A spare key for the bike!
Make sure you have a good battery
Good Tyres with new valves
Tools that you know fit and work on your bike
A good Compressor /co2 kit
Parts that fit your bike
Good rainsuits -multiple uses in wet and cold
A custom made first aid kit that works for you
A good headlamp
Double check your bike every day before you start - oil , tyres, fasteners etc
On day 1 that you ride, first get the feel for the extra weight, so be careful

Ride it and experience it- the only way you will ultimately know what works for you and what not .



   
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: alanB on December 26, 2015, 09:34:55 am
After quite a lot of overlanding trips in a 4x4 in which I initially got sucked into the whole thing of taking 4 or 5 tons of stuff on a week long holiday, my inner engineer decided that that while showing off your excess toys etc was maybe the next "lifestyle one-upmanship competition for the modern urban man", and fun for its own sake  :P, it was just ultimately a fools game in which the only winners were the 4x4 shops, vehicle and trailer manufacturers and fuel companies.

By just altering a switch setting in your brain, you could have all the same comforts with a tenth of the bulk and weight.  Instead of the stupid cycle of:

1) getting more space by buying a bigger vehicle/trailer/roof rack,
2) then filling that space with stuff,
3) then starting the process again,

You just need to start thinking about how to EMPTY the space, and reduce the weight you carry instead.  

Once you start doing that it actually becomes alot more fun IMO.  Fuel costs are less, you dont have to worry as much about difficult terrain, packing is much quicker etc, and most importantly, the trip doesnt just become all about how much kit you can drag along with you, but rather about the places you go to and the experiences you have there.

A good example is a mate of mine who took a trailer on a recent trip because "he didnt want to sukkel", well he ended up "sukkelling" more than anyone because he could not easily go where everyone else went and got stuck repeatedly in soft sand.  There was no point in saying anything, because SA values are completely at odds with the minimalist approach, but I did feel sorry for him a bit, the big trip we had all planned for and saved up for was not as nice as it should have been for him.  On international forums SA overlanders are often sniggered at due to how much stuff they take.

The exact same thing is applicable to Adventure biking, but only more so IMO.  

Luckily I had already learned this lesson when I started Adventure biking.  I also prefer riding smaller, more light weight bikes.  I dont see the benefit of turning a light, nimble fun to ride bike into a lumbering pig just because I wanted to pack the kitchen sink.  I would rather go by car in that case.

Especially because for me at least, the whole point of adventure biking is to ride your bike.  That's the whole point of the trip!  So why make riding your bike a pain in the ass by loading it unnecessarily?  Which is why I'd rather go by car if I need to take lots of stuff.  But I dont particularly enjoy driving my car, its just a means to and end - its tough and reliable enough to get me to those out of the way places I couldn't get to otherwise.

While my bike is all about enjoying the journey and the riding.  So to me its crucial to keep the weight down because I personally hate heavy bikes.

Although this does depend on the style of riding you like.  If you enjoy Goldwing type touring, then you can still take a trailer full of stuff :biggrin:

But here are my lessons learned after the trips I have done on my bike http://africantechnical.co.za/adventure-tips/basic-packing-gear-selection/ (http://africantechnical.co.za/adventure-tips/basic-packing-gear-selection/)

As well some kit I really think works well http://africantechnical.co.za/adventure-tips/useful-links-adventure-biking/ (http://africantechnical.co.za/adventure-tips/useful-links-adventure-biking/)

And here is what I take on a trip (longest trip so far with this setup is five days, but I can go almost indefinitely with this setup provided there is fuel and food available along the way).  http://africantechnical.co.za/ubag-6/ubag-6-camping-contents/ (http://africantechnical.co.za/ubag-6/ubag-6-camping-contents/)



  
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 26, 2015, 09:47:11 am
The argument around packing lightly versys taking everything you own is like the argument for small VS. huge D/S bikes.

You take what you want, because what works for me will not always work for the next guy. It is a trail and error process which you have to go through.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on December 26, 2015, 10:18:35 am
I understand AlanB comment. We used to go camping with a DC4x4, loaded to the max! For a weekend! Then I read an article in SA4x4 about a couple and there really young kid that went to the Richtersveld for 2 weeks in a Suzuki Jimny!

They packed with their brains and not their wallets! Never needed more than they had and had a brilliant adventure!

To each his own, but I went from hard panniers to ATG overland bags and already saved 9kg! Its going to make a heck of a difference!

Like Alan said, its important to first get the feel of the bike loaded. We packed our stuff for our first long trip and went for a ride around town. Bike was so unstable we were back within 15 minutes to unpack and rethink . We did it three times to where we felt it was comfortable and safe to travel with.
Title: Re: Share what works and what not - adventure biking travels
Post by: shanti on December 26, 2015, 10:48:27 am
I think no matter how you pack leave some space for picking up food  beer along the way if you are free camping . No point in packing everything up tight in all your available space and then having nowhere to put some supplies for your camping - I use these tank bags -http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich-tank-panniers.html - and always have space in them to fit some bread  , a six pack of beer , extra water if out for the night in the middle of nowhere . Of course its different if you are going from campsite to campsite as you can normally get beer etc there