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Title: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 20, 2015, 09:05:19 pm
I am in the process of planning a ride that will take in a big part of South Africa, specifically Cape Town.

As part of the ride, I would like to visit the Royal Hotel. Now there are many Royal Hotels in South Africa, but I am looking for the one that Kramer sang about in his famous song.

Can anyone tell me which Royal Hotel this was?
Thanks.


Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: arno on December 20, 2015, 09:09:03 pm
Good question . Saw him walking in Cape Town earlier this week . Could have asked him .
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 20, 2015, 10:02:33 pm
Ask Karel Bester, or Sersant de Kok....
 ;)
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Sprocketbek on December 20, 2015, 11:12:26 pm
Some 4 or 5 years ago Firecoast suggested that we do a Royal Hotel tour, where we visit all of the fine old establishments.

Sadly, it is something that is dwindling.....there used to be so many!
Even Stellenbosch had one when I was a kid, now there is a shopping centre where it used to be.
The water wheel that was in the garden ended up at Stellenbosch museum, just lying in the backyard.

I think Kramer's was a generic one, most of his songs were about Montagu, Heidelberg, Barrydale area?
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: PierreO on December 21, 2015, 08:43:47 am
Legend has it that it's the Royal Hotel in Beaufort-West
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: tok-tokkie on December 21, 2015, 09:51:33 am
I know his brother John well.  They grew up in Worcester so I suspect that Royal Hotel had an influence on the song.  I also doubt if there still is a Royal Hotel in Worcester these days.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 21, 2015, 10:14:31 am
Seems like a lot of old iconic buildings are falling.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: VaalBaas on December 21, 2015, 01:03:08 pm
I know his brother John well.  They grew up in Worcester so I suspect that Royal Hotel had an influence on the song.  I also doubt if there still is a Royal Hotel in Worcester these days.

Ek dink ook dis die ene waarvan hy sing :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Vettie on December 21, 2015, 01:34:13 pm
Riebeek Kasteel beweer dis oor hulle sin geskryf.

http://www.sahiddentreasures.co.za/treasure.asp?id=6346 (http://www.sahiddentreasures.co.za/treasure.asp?id=6346)

Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 22, 2015, 08:41:27 pm
Some 4 or 5 years ago Firecoast suggested that we do a Royal Hotel tour, where we visit all of the fine old establishments.

Sadly, it is something that is dwindling.....there used to be so many!
Even Stellenbosch had one when I was a kid, now there is a shopping centre where it used to be.
The water wheel that was in the garden ended up at Stellenbosch museum, just lying in the backyard.

I think Kramer's was a generic one, most of his songs were about Montagu, Heidelberg, Barrydale area?

Ons ou aardrykskunde onderwyser, Tjoepies Kritzinger, het altyd smiddae na skool gehaas na die ruim ou voorstoep van die ou Royal hotel.
Dat so n ou gebou kon platgeslaan word vir n 70ger styl OK Bazaars, is werklik grensend aan n ernstige misdaad.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: DirtRebell on December 22, 2015, 09:58:19 pm
Ek dink hy het reeds die naam Royal Hotel genoem omdat daar so baie was.
Kon en kan van toepassing wees op enige kleindorpie hotel?
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 22, 2015, 10:02:13 pm
Some 4 or 5 years ago Firecoast suggested that we do a Royal Hotel tour, where we visit all of the fine old establishments.

Sadly, it is something that is dwindling.....there used to be so many!
Even Stellenbosch had one when I was a kid, now there is a shopping centre where it used to be.
The water wheel that was in the garden ended up at Stellenbosch museum, just lying in the backyard.

I think Kramer's was a generic one, most of his songs were about Montagu, Heidelberg, Barrydale area?

Ons ou aardrykskunde onderwyser, Tjoepies Kritzinger, het altyd smiddae na skool gehaas na die ruim ou voorstoep van die ou Royal hotel.
Dat so n ou gebou kon platgeslaan word vir n 70ger styl OK Bazaars, is werklik grensend aan n ernstige misdaad.
Nie net grensend aan nie, maar is n ernstige misdaad. Enige gebou ouer as 50 jaar is n nationale monument, selfs n gewone huis. Vra my, ek is n Draughtsperson (SACAP). Ek mag aan geen huis ouer as 50 jaar werk nie, net senior techs en prof. argitekte mag.
Maar nou ja, as daar genoeg incompetent mense in die beplanning kantore werk is die wet ook fokkol werd nie.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Dawid S on December 23, 2015, 02:58:18 am
Leon kyk na Brandvlei se hotel. Nie 'n Royal nie maar regte oudorp hotel.
Toe ons laas daar was het die stof dik gele op die botels in die bar. Moes drink om die alcohol te red van verslaan.
Jy kan via Prieska (Ets) ry.
Wees versigtig met die bedens ek het een stukend gesit!
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 23, 2015, 07:35:10 am
Leon kyk na Brandvlei se hotel. Nie 'n Royal nie maar regte oudorp hotel.
Toe ons laas daar was het die stof dik gele op die botels in die bar. Moes drink om die alcohol te red van verslaan.
Jy kan via Prieska (Ets) ry.
Wees versigtig met die bedens ek het een stukend gesit!
Prieska gaan bietjie wyd wees vir die toer, maar sal check waar Brandvlei is. Ken nie die area so goed nie.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: KiLRoy on December 23, 2015, 07:42:38 am
Daar sit die speurder, sersant De Kock, hy drink sy whisky so on the rocks...
Hulle noem hom op sy nommer, hy is 00, 007.....

Nou sers Leon De Kock, gaan vind vir ons die regte Royal Hotel.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Vintage_Mania on December 23, 2015, 11:35:12 am
Some feedback from Dawid:

Dear Jurie,

Yes, you are correct in thinking that the Royal Hotel was based on a few plattelandse hotels that were around in those days.

When I was a teenager there was one in Hermanus which I knew quite well and it was demolished sometime in the 1970s. It was this hotel that I was thinking about when the idea: ďhier sit die manne in die Royal HotelĒ popped into my head.
My early drinking experiences were in Worcester: The Brandwag Hotel (gone) and The Cumberland (still there) but quite different. The Cumberland at one time had a David Kramer bar. Donít know if thatís still the case.

The Royal Hotel appears on the Story of Blokkies Joubert concept album and this time itís the Beaufort West Royal.

The song was meant to conjure up memories of any platteland hotels, and the Royal Hotel seemed like a good choice.

Hope you have an interesting trip and find some typical old hotels.

Best wishes
David Kramer
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 23, 2015, 11:38:33 am
Some feedback from Dawid:

Dear Jurie,

Yes, you are correct in thinking that the Royal Hotel was based on a few plattelandse hotels that were around in those days.

When I was a teenager there was one in Hermanus which I knew quite well and it was demolished sometime in the 1970s. It was this hotel that I was thinking about when the idea: ďhier sit die manne in die Royal HotelĒ popped into my head.
My early drinking experiences were in Worcester: The Brandwag Hotel (gone) and The Cumberland (still there) but quite different. The Cumberland at one time had a David Kramer bar. Donít know if thatís still the case.

The Royal Hotel appears on the Story of Blokkies Joubert concept album and this time itís the Beaufort West Royal.

The song was meant to conjure up memories of any platteland hotels, and the Royal Hotel seemed like a good choice.

Hope you have an interesting trip and find some typical old hotels.

Best wishes
David Kramer

Thanks
It seems like I'll just have to visit one of those hotels then. Will see if the route I take will take me past or close to Beaufort West.
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: DirtRebell on December 23, 2015, 11:46:50 am
Ek dink hy het reeds die naam Royal Hotel genoem omdat daar so baie was.
Kon en kan van toepassing wees op enige kleindorpie hotel?

:deal:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: VaalBaas on December 23, 2015, 12:30:31 pm
Ek dink hy het reeds die naam Royal Hotel genoem omdat daar so baie was.
Kon en kan van toepassing wees op enige kleindorpie hotel?

:deal:  :biggrin:

Ou slimmie ;D
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Sir Rat on December 23, 2015, 04:05:44 pm
I can remember the Royal Hotel in Hermanus. Can remember the entrance and then walking down the passage towards the back of Hotel where the bar was. My father have many a story of things happened/he had in that bar/hotel.
I do remember the burnt down Royal hotel very wel. Was a sad sight to see. Stood like that for some time before they demolished the remains. Not long after that the old movie house also burnt down. 
 
As kids we mostly went to the Cafe next to the Royal hotel (The Royal cafe) to have milkshakes and sweeties. There was two old lady's that worked in the shop. The one wore a wig. This wig was so obvious it was very funny. It looked like the hair was gelled in a permanent position so she never needed to brush it or clean it for that matter.  Well this was the perception/memory I have as a small kid. Funny how I remember that to stand out as a memory of the shop. This shop building still remains today but altered a lot.

Some info on the town for those that might be interested. The pics you se my forefathers where part of. My family history go way back in Hermanus.

http://www.ratepayers.co.za/historic-hermanus.html (http://www.ratepayers.co.za/historic-hermanus.html)

I would love to join a tour of the old places. Sounds awesome. What would be great if there could be someone that could tell stories of each place that gets visited.

Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: jaybiker on December 23, 2015, 04:58:32 pm


How much longer before HOAB, the Historical Obliteration and Africanisation Board steps in to have these colonialist relics renamed?  :patch: :pot:
 
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 23, 2015, 10:06:05 pm
I am actually surprised that in a time when the Afrikaner were'nt overly fond of the British, so many establishments could carry the name "Royal" anything. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: LeonDude on December 24, 2015, 07:07:02 am
I am actually surprised that in a time when the Afrikaner were'nt overly fond of the British, so many establishments could carry the name "Royal" anything. :imaposer:

You are so biased.
You assume they were named for the British. Those hotels might well have been named for Dingane kaSenzangakhona Zulu.
 :peepwall:
 :pot:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: VaalBaas on December 24, 2015, 07:09:23 am
I am actually surprised that in a time when the Afrikaner were'nt overly fond of the British, so many establishments could carry the name "Royal" anything. :imaposer:

You are so biased.
You assume they were named for the British. Those hotels might well have been named for Dingane kaSenzangakhona Zulu.
 :peepwall:
 :pot:


My Kroon :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Deon on July 24, 2017, 08:44:16 pm
Die Royal Hotel in Riversdal glo nog die song gaan oor hulle hotel.  Daar is baie koerantuitknipsels wat dit geloofwaardig maak.  Kamers is skoon, groot en goedkoop.  En leeg.
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Sprocketbek on July 24, 2017, 09:16:18 pm
Die Royal Hotel in Riversdal glo nog die song gaan oor hulle hotel.  Daar is baie koerantuitknipsels wat dit geloofwaardig maak.  Kamers is skoon, groot en goedkoop.  En leeg.

Baie van die plattelandse hotels se middagetes was uit die boeke uit en briljante waarde vir geld!
Krismis in so 'n hotel is onvergeetlik  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dawid Kramer - Royal Hotel
Post by: Blou Zebu on August 19, 2017, 07:35:42 am
Daar is ook Royal Hotelle in Madagaskar