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Title: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 24, 2016, 11:13:46 am
According to their website, WSB is set to kick off the 2016 season this coming weekend 27/28 Feb.

 I'm sure many MOTOGP enthusiasts are also followers of the WSB races which have also been broadcasted on Supersport in the past. As opposed to last year when race 1 and race 2 were held on the Sunday, rule changes for 2016 now stipulates race 1 to be held on the Saturday of the race weekend, and on Sunday of the race weekend race 2 will be held. Does anybody have information as to how Super Sport TV will broadcast this?  ???

Regrettably, WSB events do not receive the same attention as MotoGP on Supersport broadcasts, but in the past we were able to view both races held on Sunday Race day.

I haven't heard any announcement in this regard, but would expect them to broadcast a combined transmission of both races probably on the Sunday.

Please keep us posted if you learn more on this.

Title: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: BlueBull2007 on February 24, 2016, 11:56:26 am
Created by popular request. I will sticky the thread and see how it goes.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm
In my experience WSBK got the same amount of interest from SuperSport as MotoGP.  Possibly a tad more since last year.  With MotoGP we saw the MotoGP class qualify and then the Moto 3, Moto 2 and Moto GP races.  With WSBK we saw both Superbikes and Supersport qualify and then Superbikes (both races), the Supersport race and the Superstock 1000 race.

I am not sure what the SuperSport contract is this year, but previous years it was to take the live feed.  I assume it will be the same this year for Race 1 and then a repeat on Sunday just before Race 2.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2016, 12:36:19 pm
Live on Saturday, it seems.

Saturday, February 27, 2016

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02:15 - 03:15 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship H\L Season Preview
03:15 - 04:10 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship Australia Superpole
04:10 - 05:30 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship Australia SSP Superpole
05:30 - 07:20 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship Australia Race 1
12:00 - 13:00 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship Australia Superpole
13:00 - 14:00 SS6  FIM Superbike World Championship Australia Race 1
20:30 - 23:00 SS8  NASCAR Xfinity Series Head's Up Georgia 250


Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 24, 2016, 12:40:25 pm
Thanks TB...

imho WSB racing is just as exciting as MotoGP - if not more during certain races. I also think it's been more demanding from the riders as they were required to do 2 races on race day, totalling more laps than done by MotoGP riders during a MotoGP at each track.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens this weekend with the broadcasts.  
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2016, 01:36:50 pm
Thanks TB...

imho WSB racing is just as exciting as MotoGP - if not more during certain races. I also think it's been more demanding from the riders as they were required to do 2 races on race day, totalling more laps than done by MotoGP riders during a MotoGP at each track.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens this weekend with the broadcasts.  

Check my 2nd post.  Both races will be broadcast live.  Race 1 on Saturday and Race 2 on Sunday.

Yes, the racing is just as exciting and I liked the 2 races on the same day format.  It sort of enforced a "reliability" rule.  Personally, I think Dorna, the owners of WSBK is just into to make more money.  They can now sell two race days instead of just one.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 24, 2016, 01:44:41 pm
Thanks for the heads-up TB. You are quite right about Dorna, selling 2 race days instead of just Sundays only. For the sake of the spectators one can only hope that the price of the tickets are adjusted accordingly!

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on February 24, 2016, 02:40:41 pm
The new format over 2 says sucks man!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2016, 02:43:09 pm
The new format over 2 says sucks man!!!!!!!!!


Have to agree.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on February 24, 2016, 02:52:32 pm
The new format over 2 says sucks man!!!!!!!!!


+1
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 24, 2016, 03:03:52 pm
The new format over 2 says sucks man!!!!!!!!!



It will certainly fu*k around  my weekend planning...busy with WSB on both days!...thanks for PVR's!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: YamaV on February 24, 2016, 03:38:21 pm
Looking forward to see the Yamaha team competing against the Kawa's and Ducati's
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 24, 2016, 03:47:50 pm
Looking forward to see the Yamaha team competing against the Kawa's and Ducati's


Jah...Yamaha didn't feature last year...do you know who are the drivers?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: YamaV on February 24, 2016, 04:01:02 pm
Looking forward to see the Yamaha team competing against the Kawa's and Ducati's
Jah...Yamaha didn't feature last year...do you know who are the drivers?

They haven't been competing for quite a few years. But they back now with the new R1.

Pata Yamaha Official WSBK Team:

Alex Lowes - 2013 British Superbike Champion
Sylvain Guintoli - 2014 SBK Champion

2015 Season
1.   J. REA   KAWASAKI   548
2.   C. DAVIES   DUCATI   416
3.   T. SYKES   KAWASAKI   399
4.   L. HASLAM   APRILIA   332
5.   J. TORRES   APRILIA   247
6.   S. GUINTOLI   HONDA   218
7.   M. VAN DER MARK   HONDA   194
8.   L. MERCADO   DUCATI   142
9.   M. BAIOCCO   DUCATI   139
10.   A. LOWES   SUZUKI   135


Sylvain Guintoli also set the fastest time for the Phillip Island Official Test, 22-23 February 2016, 0.150 seconds faster than Johnathan Rea on the Kawasaki.
** Fastest lap time on the final session

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: cocky on February 24, 2016, 04:06:12 pm
Looking forward to see the Yamaha team competing against the Kawa's and Ducati's
Jah...Yamaha didn't feature last year...do you know who are the drivers?

They haven't been competing for quite a few years. But they back now with the new R1.

Pata Yamaha Official WSBK Team:

Alex Lowes - 2013 British Superbike Champion
Sylvain Guintoli - 2014 SBK Champion

2015 Season
1.   J. REA   KAWASAKI   548
2.   C. DAVIES   DUCATI   416
3.   T. SYKES   KAWASAKI   399
4.   L. HASLAM   APRILIA   332
5.   J. TORRES   APRILIA   247
6.   S. GUINTOLI   HONDA   218
7.   M. VAN DER MARK   HONDA   194
8.   L. MERCADO   DUCATI   142
9.   M. BAIOCCO   DUCATI   139
10.   A. LOWES   SUZUKI   135


Sylvain Guintoli also set the fastest time for the Phillip Island Official Test, 22-23 February 2016, 0.150 seconds faster than Johnathan Rea on the Kawasaki.



Final day of testing and the Yamaha's were struggling with straight line speed. Times below.

1. Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 31.249s
2. Davide Giugliano ITA Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 1m 31.400s
3. Michael van der Mark NED Honda Racing CBR1000RR 1m 31.458s
4. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Crescent Yamaha R1 1m 31.473s
5. Nicky Hayden USA Honda Racing CBR1000RR 1m 31.585s
6. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 31.885s
7. Chaz Davies GBR Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 1m 31.938s
8. Alex Lowes GBR PATA Crescent Yamaha R1 1m 31.958s
9. Xavi Fores ESP Barni Ducati 1199R 1m 32.109s
10. Jordi Torres ESP Althea BMW S1000RR 1m 32.202s
11. Markus Reiterberger GER Althea BMW S1000RR 1m 32.272s
12. Roman Ramos ESP GO Eleven Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 32.478s
13. Lorenzo Savadori ITA IodaRacing Aprilia RSV4 1m 32.587s
14. Leon Camier GBR MV Agusta RC F4 RR 1m 32.702s
15. Josh Brookes AUS Milwaukee BMW S1000RR 1m 32.903s
16. Mike Jones AUS Desmo Sport Ducati 1199R 1m 33.420s
17. Sylvain Barrier FRA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 33.314s
18. Alex de Angelis RSM IodaRacing Aprilia RSV4 1m 33.882s
19. Fabio Menghi ITA VFT Ducati 1199R 1m 33.622s
20. Josh Hook AUS Grillini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 33.850s
21. Karel Abraham CZE Milwaukee BMW S1000RR 1m 34.062s
22. Dominic Schmitter SUI Grillini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 35.038s
23. Saeed al Sulaiti QAT Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 34.942s
24. Peter Sebesteyen HUN Team Toth Yamaha R1 1m 35.541s
25. Imre Toth HUN Team Toth Yamaha R1 1m 36.150s
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: YamaV on February 24, 2016, 04:08:23 pm
 :thumleft: Was at the final session I think

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 25, 2016, 07:48:56 am
The addition of Yamaha for this 2016 season will, by the looks of it so far, be a concern for the Kawasaki and Ducati teams...but will result in much more excitement to us, the viewers.  :ricky:

Having driven bikes from all 4 of the Japanese manufacturers throughout my life, I'm not sure which team will get my support this year. Luv Yammies and Kawas equally...Good luck to Yamaha...they have some catching up to do...perhaps the underdogs will get more support from me...as usual.  ;) 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on February 25, 2016, 08:03:41 am
I hope Hayden can mix it up with the front guys.

He has had a kak time since his MGP title

Hopefully Rea doesn't run away with it again, I think rides like a real do0s sometimes.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2016, 09:25:10 am
The addition of Yamaha for this 2016 season will, by the looks of it so far, be a concern for the Kawasaki and Ducati teams...but will result in much more excitement to us, the viewers.  :ricky:

Having driven bikes from all 4 of the Japanese manufacturers throughout my life, I'm not sure which team will get my support this year. Luv Yammies and Kawas equally...Good luck to Yamaha...they have some catching up to do...perhaps the underdogs will get more support from me...as usual.  ;) 

As far as racing goes, I can only support Yamaha.  I can't help it.  My first bike ever was a Yamaha and that stuck.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: 1190 on February 25, 2016, 09:48:06 am
WSB has become sooooo boring should change it to English Superbike championship series.....hopefully Hayden can spice things up with those pomey's :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Cracker on February 25, 2016, 01:33:35 pm
I hope Hayden can mix it up with the front guys.

He has had a kak time since his MGP title

Hopefully Rea doesn't run away with it again, I think rides like a real do0s sometimes.

No man, I think he's a great rider - a flowing style, good to watch. Unless you mean when he's riding slow, looking at the scenery - then, ja, he's a box  :biggrin:

Never really liked Hayden but for some reason I'd like to see him shake things up..

I'm a pom so don't mind a pom winning but it is looking a bit one-sided - European red-tape holding the rest back?

Sykes? - well, he comes from the same part of the world as me - won't speak his mind on TV in case he's taken out of context - definitely a box.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 25, 2016, 06:48:15 pm
The addition of Yamaha for this 2016 season will, by the looks of it so far, be a concern for the Kawasaki and Ducati teams...but will result in much more excitement to us, the viewers.  :ricky:

Having driven bikes from all 4 of the Japanese manufacturers throughout my life, I'm not sure which team will get my support this year. Luv Yammies and Kawas equally...Good luck to Yamaha...they have some catching up to do...perhaps the underdogs will get more support from me...as usual.  ;) 

As far as racing goes, I can only support Yamaha.  I can't help it.  My first bike ever was a Yamaha and that stuck.

Me too.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2016, 08:56:57 pm
The addition of Yamaha for this 2016 season will, by the looks of it so far, be a concern for the Kawasaki and Ducati teams...but will result in much more excitement to us, the viewers.  :ricky:

Having driven bikes from all 4 of the Japanese manufacturers throughout my life, I'm not sure which team will get my support this year. Luv Yammies and Kawas equally...Good luck to Yamaha...they have some catching up to do...perhaps the underdogs will get more support from me...as usual.  ;) 

As far as racing goes, I can only support Yamaha.  I can't help it.  My first bike ever was a Yamaha and that stuck.

Me too.

Janee!  My grootste nagmerries is as my gekose ryer-held nie 'n Yamaha ry nie. 

Michael Dunlop op 'n BMW!  Vieslik!
Jonathan Rea op 'n Kawasaki!  Ek wil nie eers daaroor praat nie!
Rossi twee jaar op Ducati.  Dit was om van te kots!  !

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 26, 2016, 07:47:50 am
The addition of Yamaha for this 2016 season will, by the looks of it so far, be a concern for the Kawasaki and Ducati teams...but will result in much more excitement to us, the viewers.  :ricky:

Having driven bikes from all 4 of the Japanese manufacturers throughout my life, I'm not sure which team will get my support this year. Luv Yammies and Kawas equally...Good luck to Yamaha...they have some catching up to do...perhaps the underdogs will get more support from me...as usual.  ;) 

As far as racing goes, I can only support Yamaha.  I can't help it.  My first bike ever was a Yamaha and that stuck.

Me too.

Janee!  My grootste nagmerries is as my gekose ryer-held nie 'n Yamaha ry nie. 

Michael Dunlop op 'n BMW!  Vieslik!
Jonathan Rea op 'n Kawasaki!  Ek wil nie eers daaroor praat nie!
Rossi twee jaar op Ducati.  Dit was om van te kots!  !




 :deal:

Nice viewing this weekend guys...we'll do some analysing/dissecting on Monday.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 26, 2016, 08:02:00 am
Check the link below for photo's of all the riders.

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/riders (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/riders)
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2016, 08:34:13 am
Oi!  Mr. 2SD!

Did you see who did the fastest combined time (FP 1 and FP 2) at Phillip Island today? 

I will give you 30 guesses. 

He has been WSBK World Champion once.

He is French. 

His first name is Sylvain. 

His surname is Guintoli. 

Final clue! 

He rides a YAMAHA!

Seems this year will throw some excitement at viewers for a change.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: 1190 on February 26, 2016, 10:12:24 am
 :pot: :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: punisher on February 26, 2016, 12:19:54 pm
gonna be sooopah exciting this year

gooooooooooooo Sykes ,Lowes and RAE
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 26, 2016, 07:17:01 pm
:pot: :pot: :pot:


 :xxbah: :xxbah: :xxbah: :imaposer:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on February 27, 2016, 07:05:45 am
What a race!

Hope the rest of the year will remain as close.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 27, 2016, 08:10:14 am
Good race,  but Sadly,  no major surprises.

1 x Kawa was on a win from the start.
1 x Kawa blasted to a win and then destroyed the rear tire.
2 X Ducatis were right there all the time.

Some good sjgns:

Honda seem more competitive.
Hayden seems to be competitive,  or will be later in the season.
Yamaha seems to be there,  or just a smidgen off the pace.
My Augusta gave notice.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Battlestar on February 28, 2016, 12:08:53 pm
I was very suprised by Hondas pace. lacking a bit in top end but quick everywhere else. Really enjoy Davies never say die approach.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 29, 2016, 06:17:56 am
Race 2, more of the same.   Kawasakis are still the bikes to beat,  with the Ducatis pretty close.   Rea rides like a surgeon while Sykes,  looses it in the middle to latter part of the race.   The Hondas are very close and it seems Van Der Mark and Heyden will be up to the task.   The Yamies are looking good,  but needs a bit of oomph,  with Lowes still to impress.   Guintoli,  with a bit of oomph added may well see the podium a few times this year.   MV Augusta improved by a large margin since last year while the two newcomer BMW teams are good for a top 10.  Some work required on bikes and riders.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 29, 2016, 07:45:15 am
Agree 100% with your summary TB. I found it thoroughly exiting after such a long period of no bike racing on TV!.

Could someone perhaps inform us...I noticed the pole position time of WSB's were 1.30sec and the pole of the Super Sport bikes were 1.33...WHAT WAS POLE TIME OF MOTOGP BIKES LAST YEAR AT PHILLIPE ISLAND?...just thought that would be interesting...

 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 29, 2016, 08:47:12 am
Oh..okay...sorry, just stumbled onto TB's posting on this thread dealing with the issue of lap times compared between WSB's and MotoGP. Very impressive...my respect for the whole WSB circus have just increased a lot!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: IceCreamMan on February 29, 2016, 09:50:19 am
Kinda hope Hayden does better....losing P3 like that was soft ...he should of fought harder
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 29, 2016, 10:55:53 am
Kinda hope Hayden does better....losing P3 like that was soft ...he should of fought harder

He should have, but maybe he felt a safe 4th is better than an arse scrubbing in the kitty litter. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 29, 2016, 02:58:13 pm
Do you guys perhaps know the reason for the absence of the Super Stock 1000cc race at this weekends gathering?  ???
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Battlestar on February 29, 2016, 03:28:21 pm
Super stock is only for European rounds
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on February 29, 2016, 03:47:15 pm
Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on February 29, 2016, 05:32:51 pm
Super stock is only for European rounds

Yep.   Due to the cost factor,  Superstock 600 and 1000 as well as the Junior Cup only race in Europe.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on March 01, 2016, 10:08:36 am
Kinda hope Hayden does better....losing P3 like that was soft ...he should of fought harder

He should have, but maybe he felt a safe 4th is better than an arse scrubbing in the kitty litter. 

Enjoyed the racing! Hated the new 2 day format! Rea and Sykes ding what they did last year..... Hope the Yammies get competitive real soon.... Nice to see Hayden in the mix in race two....maws hoping he would be on the podium... I love his outlook and philosophy!!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on March 01, 2016, 10:40:11 am
! Hated the new 2 day format!

+1!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2016, 04:29:45 pm
Wow!  After Free Practise 1 and 2 in Thailand some very interesting names through to Superpole 2.  Top 4 makes us sit up and take notice.

Superpole 2

1 60 M. VAN DER MARK NED Honda World Superbike Team Honda CBR1000RR SP 1'34.629
2 50 S. GUINTOLI FRA Pata Yamaha Official WorldSBK Team Yamaha YZF R1 1'34.811
3 81 J. TORRES ESP Althea BMW Racing Team BMW S1000 RR 1'35.217
4 22 A. LOWES GBR Pata Yamaha Official WorldSBK Team Yamaha YZF R1 1'35.224
5 1 J. REA GBR Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'35.314
6 69 N. HAYDEN USA Honda World Superbike Team Honda CBR1000RR SP 1'35.344
7 66 T. SYKES GBR Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'35.406
8 7 C. DAVIES GBR Aruba.it Racing - Ducati Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'35.461
9 34 D. GIUGLIANO ITA Aruba.it Racing - Ducati Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'35.479
10 21 M. REITERBERGER GER Althea BMW Racing Team BMW S1000 RR 1'35.498
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2016, 10:17:35 pm
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on March 14, 2016, 08:15:40 am
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2016, 09:52:35 am
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.

I didn't see Sykes doing anything untoward.  Not sure what Rea meant either.

Sadly, even after Race 2, it seems this season is in danger of becoming yet another Kawa year.  That being said, it is awesome to see the Yamies, Hondas, Beemers running in the top 10 consistently.  Competitive by WSBK standards, be alas, those Kawas are a tall man's step ahead.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on March 15, 2016, 08:52:31 am
Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ???

Isnt that how racing works?  ::)

Bad loser
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on March 15, 2016, 08:56:53 am
Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ???

Isnt that how racing works?  ::)

Bad loser

Exactly.
Sykes took in a lesson from Race 1 and adjusted his strategy in race 2. Clever riding.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on March 15, 2016, 09:06:47 am
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.

I didn't see Sykes doing anything untoward.  Not sure what Rea meant either.

Sadly, even after Race 2, it seems this season is in danger of becoming yet another Kawa year.  That being said, it is awesome to see the Yamies, Hondas, Beemers running in the top 10 consistently.  Competitive by WSBK standards, be alas, those Kawas are a tall man's step ahead.



I think race 2 was brilliant. Yes the Kawas still have the upperhand, but the others aren't far off. Its a promising sign that the Honda has got the top end. Sounds like they still need to manage a few software challenges though, as both VDM and #69 referred to the wrong settings in certain corners, i.e. the bike getting lost on track.

In my opinion, Rea was referring to Sykes braking late and then delaying his acceleration from the apex by a millisecond, thereby upsetting Rea's line, corner exit and subsequant speed on the following straight. I think Sykes adopted this strategy after some serious post race analyses between Saturday and Sunday.
That is why we saw some desperate lunges from Rea in the latter stages of Race 2.

All of the above is awesome for us.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2016, 09:11:00 am
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.

I didn't see Sykes doing anything untoward.  Not sure what Rea meant either.

Sadly, even after Race 2, it seems this season is in danger of becoming yet another Kawa year.  That being said, it is awesome to see the Yamies, Hondas, Beemers running in the top 10 consistently.  Competitive by WSBK standards, be alas, those Kawas are a tall man's step ahead.



I think race 2 was brilliant. Yes the Kawas still have the upperhand, but the others aren't far off. Its a promising sign that the Honda has got the top end. Sounds like they still need to manage a few software challenges though, as both VDM and #69 referred to the wrong settings in certain corners, i.e. the bike getting lost on track.

In my opinion, Rea was referring to Sykes braking late and then delaying his acceleration from the apex by a millisecond, thereby upsetting Rea's line, corner exit and subsequant speed on the following straight. I think Sykes adopted this strategy after some serious post race analyses between Saturday and Sunday.
That is why we saw some desperate lunges from Rea in the latter stages of Race 2.

All of the above is awesome for us.  :thumleft:

It seems that the rule changes over the past three years are paying off. 

Being a bit of a Yamaha fan, I was hoping to see the Yamahas knock 5 minutes a lap of the Kawas.   :ricky:

Now I am disappointed they are not.  In reality, it will be nice to see Ducati, Honda, Yamaha and BMW develop over the season though.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on March 15, 2016, 12:48:11 pm
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.

I didn't see Sykes doing anything untoward.  Not sure what Rea meant either.

Sadly, even after Race 2, it seems this season is in danger of becoming yet another Kawa year.  That being said, it is awesome to see the Yamies, Hondas, Beemers running in the top 10 consistently.  Competitive by WSBK standards, be alas, those Kawas are a tall man's step ahead.



I think race 2 was brilliant. Yes the Kawas still have the upperhand, but the others aren't far off. Its a promising sign that the Honda has got the top end. Sounds like they still need to manage a few software challenges though, as both VDM and #69 referred to the wrong settings in certain corners, i.e. the bike getting lost on track.

In my opinion, Rea was referring to Sykes braking late and then delaying his acceleration from the apex by a millisecond, thereby upsetting Rea's line, corner exit and subsequant speed on the following straight. I think Sykes adopted this strategy after some serious post race analyses between Saturday and Sunday.
That is why we saw some desperate lunges from Rea in the latter stages of Race 2.

All of the above is awesome for us.  :thumleft:

Quite correct bud, and although I'm a Rea fan (been one for years) Sykes played it well and was within his rights to do just that! :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Gryshond on March 15, 2016, 01:32:25 pm
Race 1, sadly much of what we saw last year.  Kawas running away with it rather easily.  Ducatis in there till their riders seem to wanna kill each other.  Nice to see the Honda's providing some competition.  Pity vd Mark screwing up and Hayden's bike packing up.  Really nice to see the Yamahas and BMWs in the top 10.  Competition looking like it may heat up a tad as the other get their act together.

As you say TB...slightly boring during race 1 and somewhat better during race 2's later stages with Rea trying to pass Sykes. Nice to see that the Honda can be challenging again and looks like Yamaha will be much improved by the middle part of the season. Rea was certainly not very diplomatic when during the race interview he mentioned that Sykes was blocking him in the corners when he tried to overtake  ??? I'm too stupid to see that during the race...didn't quite know what he meant.

I didn't see Sykes doing anything untoward.  Not sure what Rea meant either.

Sadly, even after Race 2, it seems this season is in danger of becoming yet another Kawa year.  That being said, it is awesome to see the Yamies, Hondas, Beemers running in the top 10 consistently.  Competitive by WSBK standards, be alas, those Kawas are a tall man's step ahead.



I think race 2 was brilliant. Yes the Kawas still have the upperhand, but the others aren't far off. Its a promising sign that the Honda has got the top end. Sounds like they still need to manage a few software challenges though, as both VDM and #69 referred to the wrong settings in certain corners, i.e. the bike getting lost on track.

In my opinion, Rea was referring to Sykes braking late and then delaying his acceleration from the apex by a millisecond, thereby upsetting Rea's line, corner exit and subsequant speed on the following straight. I think Sykes adopted this strategy after some serious post race analyses between Saturday and Sunday.
That is why we saw some desperate lunges from Rea in the latter stages of Race 2.

All of the above is awesome for us.  :thumleft:

It was a great race 2, I must say there were some wild swerves from Sykes during the latter stages in order to block Rae. I know in car GP if you adjust your line twice it is considered blocking but in MotoGP I have never seen it penalized.
Rae was anyway his own worst enemy, he was well past and had made the pass stick when he then ran wide and let Sykes through again.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: evansv on March 15, 2016, 06:57:57 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2016, 10:38:37 am
As the "groot kanonne" prepare for Aragon, in the lower classes, 4 Saffer boys are preparing to do battle.

Junior Cup:

FP1:

Dorren Loreiro: 2
Troy Bezuidenhout: 10
Byron Bester: 16

FP2:

Dorren Loreiro:  1
Troy Bezuidenhout 10
Byron Bester: 14


Superstock 1000:

Dave McFadden:

FP1: 14
FP2: 25
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 03, 2016, 12:53:17 pm
 Ja well no fine...quite boring 1st race at Aragon, except for the first few opening laps...BUT WHOA...the pace of the Ducati of Davies...unreal!

Lets see what happens now in race 2...prolly much of the same.

Bear...do you perhaps have a comparison somewhere of the LAPTIMES of WSS versus Moto2?...seeing that they are all 600cc bikes.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 03, 2016, 01:39:04 pm
Mmhhh...just as I thought.
Did we perhaps witnessed a kink in Rea's armour under the pressure from Sykes?
Mind boggling how Ducati performance bettered since one racing meeting ago.

Does anybody perhaps know whether Kawasaki ever tried Motogp before?....seeing that they are quite dominant in all other forms of bike racing currently?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on April 03, 2016, 10:31:44 pm
Mmhhh...just as I thought.
Did we perhaps witnessed a kink in Rea's armour under the pressure from Sykes?
Mind boggling how Ducati performance bettered since one racing meeting ago.

Does anybody perhaps know whether Kawasaki ever tried Motogp before?....seeing that they are quite dominant in all other forms of bike racing currently?

They have.... Without much success?


Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 04, 2016, 07:48:52 am
Do you remember when this was Rob?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on April 04, 2016, 08:33:15 am
Do you remember when this was Rob?

It was a long time ago Serfie, if I recall, around 10 or11 years maybe?

I know they started on a base  ZX10 but eventually had a full blown GP bike....
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on April 04, 2016, 08:46:06 am
Ja, it was a brute of a bike!!!

They battled to contain the power, and it ate the rubber.

I think Anthony West was a rider?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on April 04, 2016, 08:49:42 am
Ja, it was a brute of a bike!!!

They battled to contain the power, and it ate the rubber.

I think Anthony West was a rider?

It was a beast.
Didn't that ex speedway Aussie ride for them aswell, Gary McCoy? I remember some awesome slides.
Someone here on WD has one of the slides as an avatar...
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on April 04, 2016, 08:54:37 am
Yip. McCoy  :ricky:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2016, 06:00:53 pm
Ja well no fine...quite boring 1st race at Aragon, except for the first few opening laps...BUT WHOA...the pace of the Ducati of Davies...unreal!

Lets see what happens now in race 2...prolly much of the same.

Bear...do you perhaps have a comparison somewhere of the LAPTIMES of WSS versus Moto2?...seeing that they are all 600cc bikes.

I would have to take a look.  The first 2 years or so of Moto2, they were slower than WSS.  Moto 2 all use Honda 600 engines. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2016, 06:12:24 pm
Mmhhh...just as I thought.
Did we perhaps witnessed a kink in Rea's armour under the pressure from Sykes?
Mind boggling how Ducati performance bettered since one racing meeting ago.

Does anybody perhaps know whether Kawasaki ever tried Motogp before?....seeing that they are quite dominant in all other forms of bike racing currently?

Ducati made a massive jump in exhaust design.  Who notice the twin, instead of single exhaust this past weekend and more interesting, the fact that the two pipe openings are not the same size.  Have not figured out that yet, but it has something to do with scavenging the gasses from the engine.

No, we did not witness any kinks.   :ricky:

Kawasaki was not very successful in the top MotoGP class,  but did win a world championship or two in the smaller classes.  In fact, our own Kork Ballington won two world championships (250 and 350)  both in 1978 and 1979 on 2-stroke Kawas.    If memory serves Kawa only tried the top class for a few years with Ballington riding their KR500 2-stroke MotoGP bike.  Not much success though and around 1983 or so, withdrew from MotoGP racing.

During the Claimed Rules Team (CRT) era some of the bikes used a Kawasaki ZX10 engine.  This was around 2011 - 2015.  

Kawa is not as dominant as your perception created by WSBK Serfie.  What they have done is throw all their resources at the Rea / Sykes team and some at the WSS team as well.  Other manufacturers also race teams in Superstock 1000 and Superstoclk 600.  Kawa does precious little on the road racing circuit and do not dominate the World SBK Endurance racing.   

Do you remember when this was Rob?

It was a long time ago Serfie, if I recall, around 10 or11 years maybe?

I know they started on a base  ZX10 but eventually had a full blown GP bike....

I think your memory fails you Rob.  MotoGP was 500cc two stroke, 990cc four stroke, 800cc four stroke and has only been 1000cc four stroke for the past three or so years.  Not possible that they could have used a XZ10.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on April 04, 2016, 07:27:29 pm
Mmhhh...just as I thought.
Did we perhaps witnessed a kink in Rea's armour under the pressure from Sykes?
Mind boggling how Ducati performance bettered since one racing meeting ago.

Does anybody perhaps know whether Kawasaki ever tried Motogp before?....seeing that they are quite dominant in all other forms of bike racing currently?

Ducati made a massive jump in exhaust design.  Who notice the twin, instead of single exhaust this past weekend and more interesting, the fact that the two pipe openings are not the same size.  Have not figured out that yet, but it has something to do with scavenging the gasses from the engine.

No, we did not witness any kinks.   :ricky:

Kawasaki was not very successful in the top MotoGP class,  but did win a world championship or two in the smaller classes.  In fact, our own Kork Ballington won two world championships (250 and 350)  both in 1978 and 1979 on 2-stroke Kawas.    If memory serves Kawa only tried the top class for a few years with Ballington riding their KR500 2-stroke MotoGP bike.  Not much success though and around 1983 or so, withdrew from MotoGP racing.

During the Claimed Rules Team (CRT) era some of the bikes used a Kawasaki ZX10 engine.  This was around 2011 - 2015.  

Kawa is not as dominant as your perception created by WSBK Serfie.  What they have done is throw all their resources at the Rea / Sykes team and some at the WSS team as well.  Other manufacturers also race teams in Superstock 1000 and Superstoclk 600.  Kawa does precious little on the road racing circuit and do not dominate the World SBK Endurance racing.   

Do you remember when this was Rob?

It was a long time ago Serfie, if I recall, around 10 or11 years maybe?

I know they started on a base  ZX10 but eventually had a full blown GP bike....

I think your memory fails you Rob.  MotoGP was 500cc two stroke, 990cc four stroke, 800cc four stroke and has only been 1000cc four stroke for the past three or so years.  Not possible that they could have used a XZ10.


I was referring to the development thereof Bear... :thumleft:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyZSv09cTDc
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2016, 08:25:15 pm

I was referring to the development thereof Bear... :thumleft:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyZSv09cTDc

FMS, I suffer.   (FMS = Faded Memory Syndrome)

Early 2000's to 2008/9 Kawasaki did indeed participate in the 4 stroke era. with a ZX-RR.  Basically the 990 and 800 era.  They didn't too badly, but did not impress much either.  Apparently the bike was a dog to ride.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 05, 2016, 08:31:43 am
Thanks for all the detail Bear...for the layman like me it surely looks like Kawa's are dominant...but that's probably what Kawasaki hopes to achieve...positive perceptions amongst the general public leading to more feet in the shops?...

Did notice the new twin pipes of the Ducati's, the commentators also made some mention of it...well, that bike of Davies surely had the legs on all the others...it will be interesting to see how this all pans out at the next race.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2016, 09:51:05 am
Thanks for all the detail Bear...for the layman like me it surely looks like Kawa's are dominant...but that's probably what Kawasaki hopes to achieve...positive perceptions amongst the general public leading to more feet in the shops?...

Did notice the new twin pipes of the Ducati's, the commentators also made some mention of it...well, that bike of Davies surely had the legs on all the others...it will be interesting to see how this all pans out at the next race.

Well, one Ducati had the legs.  It also changes from track to track.  Some tracks suits certain bikes better than others.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 05, 2016, 10:10:02 am
Hell...this sport is more complicated than Cricket...one never knows what to expect from who at the following circuit!...it all depends on a large number of variables!  ;D
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2016, 10:31:48 am
Hell...this sport is more complicated than Cricket...one never knows what to expect from who at the following circuit!...it all depends on a large number of variables!  ;D

Indeed.  The only variable that does not exist in racing is the Indian Bookmakers!   :imaposer:

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 15, 2016, 09:54:49 am
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on April 15, 2016, 09:58:54 am
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...

This race used to be on a Saturday I thinks. How is it going to work with the new format?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 15, 2016, 10:03:06 am
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...

This race used to be on a Saturday I thinks. How is it going to work with the new format?

No...with WSB both races (1) and (2) were held on Sunday, BUT this year it is race 1 on Saturday and race 2 on Sunday. They also use the super pole qualifying, which takes place on Saturday, for the start of race 2 on Sunday.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: cocky on April 15, 2016, 10:04:21 am
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...

This race used to be on a Saturday I thinks. How is it going to work with the new format?
MotoGP is always on a Saturday, Dutch TT race!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: I&horse on April 15, 2016, 11:21:26 am
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Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on April 15, 2016, 11:56:41 am
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Select the race series that you want

Select your Operating System

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This will add the selected races to your specified Calendar.

Works like a charm!!!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on April 15, 2016, 01:33:13 pm
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...

This race used to be on a Saturday I thinks. How is it going to work with the new format?
MotoGP is always on a Saturday, Dutch TT race!

Oh ja. Ek was deurmekaar.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2016, 11:47:02 am
Just a reminder guys...WSB's this weekend at Assen in the Netherlands...let's see if Jonathan Rey can be more competitive this weekend against his team mate...

This race used to be on a Saturday I thinks. How is it going to work with the new format?

MotoGP used to be on Saturday for traditional reasons.  That will change to Sunday from this year on. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2016, 11:54:46 am
SUPERBIKES GRID:

1.  Sykes - Kawa
2.  Guintoli - Yamie
3.  Guigliano - Duc
4.  Ray - Kawa
5.  Van der Mark - Honda
6.  Davies - Duc

SUPERSPORT GRID:

1.  Stapleford - Triumph ?????
2.  Krummenacker - Kawa
3.  Cluzel - MV


Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: I&horse on April 16, 2016, 02:01:38 pm
I was backing Sykes for the win... Tough luck
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on April 16, 2016, 03:19:58 pm
Happy that Hayden got on the podium!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2016, 04:21:01 pm
SUPERSTOCK 1000 GRID:

1.  Russo - Yam
2.  Mercado - Duc
3.  De Rossa - BMW
23.  McFadden - Kawa (RSA)


JUNIOR CUP GRID:

5.  Troy Bezuidenhout
11.  Byron Bester
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 18, 2016, 07:39:51 am
Not boring at all...eish, but there seems to be quite some niggling in the Kawa camp, listening to Jonathan's remarks about Sykes crash during the first race. The weather surely played its part in making this an exciting weekend of racing.

Glad for Hayden and van der Mark about their podiums...
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on April 18, 2016, 08:14:04 am
quite some niggling in the Kawa camp, listening to Jonathan's remarks about Sykes crash during the first race.

Rea is a proper sphincter.

The 600 race was incredible, though!!!!

With the equally sphinctery Sofuoglu coming third after pulling his trademark dirty tricks.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on April 18, 2016, 08:19:46 am
quite some niggling in the Kawa camp, listening to Jonathan's remarks about Sykes crash during the first race.

Rea is a proper sphincter.


Right or wrong about Rea...  ??? maar die man ken van jaag...  ;)
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2016, 11:30:20 am
Don't worry about old Bus here.  Anyone who wins is a poepstring in his opinion.   :imaposer:

Pity the TV always focus on the leaders.  I reckon the real racing is taking place between 8th and 1th or so places.  The 4 x Beemers, 2 x Aprilias, 2 x Satelite Ducatis and the MV Augusta are have right, proper ding dong battles back there.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on May 03, 2016, 09:03:09 am
OK...so Imola has come and gone...rather boring race 1 and 2...but the grunt of the Ducati seems to be even greater than the previous race.

Interestingly though, the comment of the race commentators about Sykes exploring possibilities with Ducati for 2017...apparently the niggling issues between him and Rea is rather distracting to him...he says.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2016, 04:10:57 pm
Super boring!  I have watched a tumble drier do its thing that was more exciting.

Did enjoy the MV Augusta kick Yamaha, Honda and BMW arse in Race 2 though.  Lekker!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: RobD on May 04, 2016, 06:27:09 am
Not good racing but I did enjoy watching Chaz in supreme form. Also loved the performance of Leon and the MV, met him in Assen 2013 and a nice bloke as well.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 04, 2016, 07:16:31 am
Super boring!  I have watched a tumble drier do its thing that was more exciting.

Did enjoy the MV Augusta kick Yamaha, Honda and BMW arse in Race 2 though.  Lekker!

Giacomo Agostini back on MV?? :eek7: :ricky:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2016, 02:08:00 pm
Super boring!  I have watched a tumble drier do its thing that was more exciting.

Did enjoy the MV Augusta kick Yamaha, Honda and BMW arse in Race 2 though.  Lekker!

Giacomo Agostini back on MV?? :eek7: :ricky:

Indeed, but it is now spelled Leon Camier.   :ricky:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on May 16, 2016, 09:50:25 am
So Spain has come and gone...two very different races! Sykes sooo strong in the first race  :eek7:

And then the rain the next day...with Hayden sooo strong on the Honda and JR finishing second with Sykes finishing 8th!

Rey has increased his lead in the Championship. I suppose rain masters come to the fore (with their normally not so hot bikes) when the track is WET! Syksie doesn't look like a rainmaster...and Hayden DOES!  :o
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: I&horse on May 16, 2016, 10:09:24 am
Apparently Sykes chose the full wet tires, anyone know if that was indeed the case?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2016, 10:15:20 am
So Spain has come and gone...two very different races! Sykes sooo strong in the first race  :eek7:

And then the rain the next day...with Hayden sooo strong on the Honda and JR finishing second with Sykes finishing 8th!

Rey has increased his lead in the Championship. I suppose rain masters come to the fore (with their normally not so hot bikes) when the track is WET! Syksie doesn't look like a rainmaster...and Hayden DOES!  :o

Not always the so-called "rain masters" coming to the fore, but rather the riders who have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  For instance, I doubt that Hayden is any better than Rea or Davies in the wet.  Thing is, they can win or lose the championship.  Hayden can lose nothing.  Not taking away from Hayden's brilliant ride though.  He was masterful on the day. 

Also, I have always thought of Sykes as an excellent rider when everything is 100%.  As soon as there is the tiniest of issue, he just goes backward, while other riders can still go very fast, even win. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: IceCreamMan on May 16, 2016, 10:22:57 am
Rain levels the playing field and reduces any advantages the top teams may have in terms of performance hence Haydens ride.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on May 16, 2016, 10:26:25 am
Not always the so-called "rain masters" coming to the fore, but rather the riders who have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  For instance, I doubt that Hayden is any better than Rea or Davies in the wet.  Thing is, they can win or lose the championship.  Hayden can lose nothing.  Not taking away from Hayden's brilliant ride though.  He was masterful on the day. 

Also, I have always thought of Sykes as an excellent rider when everything is 100%.  As soon as there is the tiniest of issue, he just goes backward, while other riders can still go very fast, even win. 
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You took the words out of my mouth TB...I have noticed that...without realising that's the case... 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2016, 10:40:16 am
Rain levels the playing field and reduces any advantages the top teams may have in terms of performance hence Haydens ride.



Yes.  That.  And the fact that he had nothing to lose and the two closest rivals on track could lose a championship.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 16, 2016, 10:56:57 am
Race one was a bit boring again, taking nothing away from Sikes's performance. I wonder why when it gets like that at the front, they don't focus a little more on the mid field battles going on.

How were those off the back of the bike shots during race two. The guy behind seems to be in a constant jet of water coming of the rear wheel of the front bike, almost like someone has a hosepipe directed at him.

Happy for Haydon as well.



Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on May 16, 2016, 11:01:41 am
Race one was a bit boring again, taking nothing away from Sikes's performance. I wonder why when it gets like that at the front, they don't focus a little more on the mid field battles going on.

How were those off the back of the bike shots during race two. The guy behind seems to be in a constant jet of water coming of the rear wheel of the front bike, almost like someone has a hosepipe directed at him.

Happy for Haydon as well.






Yes...take my hat of to those guys...its mind boggling how the hell they manage to race like that...  :o
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2016, 11:04:19 am
Race one was a bit boring again, taking nothing away from Sikes's performance. I wonder why when it gets like that at the front, they don't focus a little more on the mid field battles going on.

How were those off the back of the bike shots during race two. The guy behind seems to be in a constant jet of water coming of the rear wheel of the front bike, almost like someone has a hosepipe directed at him.

Happy for Haydon as well.



This is why watching a race live is so awesome.  You can follow the excellent dices going on toward the back.  On TV, if you watch the list on the left you often see massive and constant position changes for the lower places.  They never make it onto TV.  A few races ago the four Beemers were going at each other hammers and thongs for 10th place.  I could follow that on live timing.  On TV, just the odd reference. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 23, 2016, 05:56:12 pm
Another Saffer back on the world stage.

http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/230688/1/morais-returns-to-wsbk-with-grillini.html (http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/230688/1/morais-returns-to-wsbk-with-grillini.html)
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2016, 06:45:55 pm
Another Saffer back on the world stage.

http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/230688/1/morais-returns-to-wsbk-with-grillini.html (http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/230688/1/morais-returns-to-wsbk-with-grillini.html)

Great news.  He joins the list here:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=191440.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=191440.0)

Meanwhile, Top Gun Racing is setting up on the Isle of Man and AJ Venter is packing his bags to go join them for the 2016 IoM TT!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on June 01, 2016, 10:24:21 am
Well...WSBK racing at Donnington last weekend was an all out Tom Sykes affair with JR experiencing problems with false neutrals. Chaz Davies really buggered his chances of staying in contention with his crash in race 1.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Cracker on June 20, 2016, 07:45:58 am
No comments at all?

You lot must have thought it as boring as I did ..............................

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on June 20, 2016, 09:10:21 am
Cracker...you prolly referring to the races in Italy this weekend...ja well...no fine...it was not the most exciting of SBK races I have seen, but there were interesting aspects. The dice between Rea and Sykes in both races was quite exciting, the various crashes throughout the weekend, and the interesting fact that Rossi attended the WSB as well...as he came onto the track at the end of the Superstock race to sympathize with er er er cant remember his name, but was a fellow Italian who took himself and another guy out at the last corner of the final lap whilst they were first and second.

For the rest it was rather non exciting (not really boring though) . One must admit that Rea seems to be really in super form...cannot but help to wonder how he will do in a top MotoGP team? Perhaps Bear can make some relevant comments in this regard?
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on June 20, 2016, 09:14:53 am
Rea did race in MotoGP on a Honda, when Stoner was injured in 2012.

Did alright-ish, 7th & 8th place.

Then back to SBK
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on June 20, 2016, 09:20:05 am
Oh okay...thanks Bus. Didn't know that. Only really got involved in WSB and MotoGP affairs as of end 2014 when I obtained DSTV.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on June 20, 2016, 09:23:26 am
I would love if Kawa can come back to MotoGP with Rea as their pilot.

I know that he is keen on a switch to MotoGP, but it would only be on a competitive setup

Understandable, Id also rather be fighting for podiums in SBK than fighting for top 10 in MotoGP.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on June 20, 2016, 11:05:27 am
I would love if Kawa can come back to MotoGP with Rea as their pilot.


Not sure if the current economic state in the world would allow this.
Then again, not sure how much more expensive MotoGP is over SBK....

On a different point: How many airmiles did Reitberger get for his flight??  :o
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: cocky on June 20, 2016, 11:09:56 am
I would love if Kawa can come back to MotoGP with Rea as their pilot.


Not sure if the current economic state in the world would allow this.
Then again, not sure how much more expensive MotoGP is over SBK....

On a different point: How many airmiles did Reitberger get for his flight??  :o
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Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: DouglasN on June 20, 2016, 11:22:35 am
The dice between Rea and Sykes in both races was quite exciting,

I didn't see raced 1 but watched Race 2, I thought it looked like Rea was on a Sunday drive and letting Sykes do all the work until he was ready, one quick overtake and then off into the distance he was.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Tony the Boney on June 20, 2016, 11:30:08 am
on a different note that crash on the last lap of the Superstock 1000 was typically stupid
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on June 20, 2016, 11:32:47 am
I would love if Kawa can come back to MotoGP with Rea as their pilot.


Not sure if the current economic state in the world would allow this.
Then again, not sure how much more expensive MotoGP is over SBK....

On a different point: How many airmiles did Reitberger get for his flight??  :o

Getting into MotoGP is a huge issue as pe rtheir current rules.  Basically, contract between Dorna and participating manufacturers signed from 2017 to 2021.  Manufacturers are, Yamaha, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki, Aprilia and KTM.  The six will supply the 24 bikes to fill the grid.  It is highly unlikely that we will see Kawa or BMW in MotoGP soon.

Of course, "deals" can be made.  We know Dorna is open to this.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Cracker on June 20, 2016, 05:51:07 pm
Cracker...you prolly referring to the races in Italy this weekend...ja well...no fine...it was not the most exciting of SBK races I have seen, but there were interesting aspects. The dice between Rea and Sykes in both races was quite exciting, the various crashes throughout the weekend, and the interesting fact that Rossi attended the WSB as well...as he came onto the track at the end of the Superstock race to sympathize with er er er cant remember his name, but was a fellow Italian who took himself and another guy out at the last corner of the final lap whilst they were first and second.

For the rest it was rather non exciting (not really boring though) . One must admit that Rea seems to be really in super form...cannot but help to wonder how he will do in a top MotoGP team? Perhaps Bear can make some relevant comments in this regard?

I'm just getting a bit sick of the 2 kawas wiping the floor every meeting - it's getting tedious. I used to find WSBK way more exciting that MotoGP but not anymore.

It's like - I record the race to watch later when my day is done - then sit down and try to get excited about who might come 3rd  :imaposer:

 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on June 20, 2016, 09:09:37 pm
Cracker...you prolly referring to the races in Italy this weekend...ja well...no fine...it was not the most exciting of SBK races I have seen, but there were interesting aspects. The dice between Rea and Sykes in both races was quite exciting, the various crashes throughout the weekend, and the interesting fact that Rossi attended the WSB as well...as he came onto the track at the end of the Superstock race to sympathize with er er er cant remember his name, but was a fellow Italian who took himself and another guy out at the last corner of the final lap whilst they were first and second.

For the rest it was rather non exciting (not really boring though) . One must admit that Rea seems to be really in super form...cannot but help to wonder how he will do in a top MotoGP team? Perhaps Bear can make some relevant comments in this regard?

I'm just getting a bit sick of the 2 kawas wiping the floor every meeting - it's getting tedious. I used to find WSBK way more exciting that MotoGP but not anymore.

It's like - I record the race to watch later when my day is done - then sit down and try to get excited about who might come 3rd  :imaposer:

 

Yeah.  It has become extremely boring.  I could handle the Kawas win every race, but at least after some sort of a battle.  These high speed "brękkie" runs just don't do it for me.  Two years ago they made a lot of noise that there would soon be new rules to drag the Superbikes closer to standard spec and incorporate with Superstock 1000.  Nada came of that.

If we compare to Superstock 1000 .... Kawas not nearly as dominating.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Tony the Boney on June 21, 2016, 06:27:16 am
Cracker...you prolly referring to the races in Italy this weekend...ja well...no fine...it was not the most exciting of SBK races I have seen, but there were interesting aspects. The dice between Rea and Sykes in both races was quite exciting, the various crashes throughout the weekend, and the interesting fact that Rossi attended the WSB as well...as he came onto the track at the end of the Superstock race to sympathize with er er er cant remember his name, but was a fellow Italian who took himself and another guy out at the last corner of the final lap whilst they were first and second.

For the rest it was rather non exciting (not really boring though) . One must admit that Rea seems to be really in super form...cannot but help to wonder how he will do in a top MotoGP team? Perhaps Bear can make some relevant comments in this regard?

I'm just getting a bit sick of the 2 kawas wiping the floor every meeting - it's getting tedious. I used to find WSBK way more exciting that MotoGP but not anymore.

It's like - I record the race to watch later when my day is done - then sit down and try to get excited about who might come 3rd  :imaposer:

 

Yeah.  It has become extremely boring.  I could handle the Kawas win every race, but at least after some sort of a battle.  These high speed "brękkie" runs just don't do it for me.  Two years ago they made a lot of noise that there would soon be new rules to drag the Superbikes closer to standard spec and incorporate with Superstock 1000.  Nada came of that.

If we compare to Superstock 1000 .... Kawas not nearly as dominating.

 :thumleft: you sed it Bear! Bring the WSB to Superstock level and we will see some serious racing!!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 21, 2016, 08:56:10 am
I even watched a bit of Formula one as well this last weekend.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Bus on June 21, 2016, 09:05:36 am
Heathen!!!!

me too...
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on June 21, 2016, 09:06:57 am
I even watched a bit of Formula one as well this last weekend.  :peepwall:

Me too, but only because the track fascinated me.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on June 21, 2016, 10:51:33 am
Heathen!!!!

me too...

+1000!

you too
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on June 21, 2016, 10:52:11 am
I even watched a bit of Formula one as well this last weekend.  :peepwall:

Me too, but only because the track fascinated me.

GET YE BEHIND ME SATAN!!!!!

SIES!

GA!

POE!

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2016, 08:48:08 pm
Laguna Seca, Race 1:

Sadly, it was same old, same old.  Kawas took off with Ducatis in hot pursuit.  Ducatis both crashed leaving 3rd and 4th open for the Hondas.  Sykes and Rea had a good battle for a while when Sykes suddenly, as almost always, dropped back leaving Rea an relatively easy win.


Race 2:

Almost the same old.  Kawas and Ducatis take off racing into the distance.  This time no crashes from the Ducatis, but a technical failure for Rea.  The real race takes place behind the four factory bikes where the Yamahas, BMW's, Aprilias,  non-factory Ducatis and Kawas put up some lekker dicing. 
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on July 12, 2016, 08:44:47 am
Agree about Race 1, but I think a bit harsh about Race 2.

Race 2 was exciting with lots of stuff happening all through the race.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Warren Ellwood on July 28, 2016, 05:03:14 pm
And Melandri is back.

http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/232416/1/melandri-davies-confirmed-at-arubait-ducati-for-2017.html (http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/232416/1/melandri-davies-confirmed-at-arubait-ducati-for-2017.html)

Also, no WSBK at Sepang next year.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: bud500 on August 02, 2016, 03:50:01 pm
I see Stefan Bradl got signed by Honda SBK. Replacing Van der Mark who is going to Yamaha SBK, I believe.
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: cocky on August 02, 2016, 03:58:39 pm
I see Stefan Bradl got signed by Honda SBK. Replacing Van der Mark who is going to Yamaha SBK, I believe.
They will be on the new Blade!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Warren Ellwood on August 24, 2016, 12:39:42 pm
Aprillia back next year as full factory effort with Eugene Laverty behind the bars.

http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/233018/1/aprilia-back-in-world-superbike.html (http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/233018/1/aprilia-back-in-world-superbike.html)

So maybe between the Ducs, the Kawas and Aprillia, it can become a little more interesting again. If Yamaha can also join the party, even better.

Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: cocky on August 24, 2016, 12:42:23 pm
Aprillia back next year as full factory effort with Eugene Laverty behind the bars.

http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/233018/1/aprilia-back-in-world-superbike.html (http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/233018/1/aprilia-back-in-world-superbike.html)

So maybe between the Ducs, the Kawas and Aprillia, it can become a little more interesting again. If Yamaha can also join the party, even better.


And a new Suzuki for 2017 too!
Title: Re: WSB World Super Bike 2016
Post by: Serfie on October 31, 2016, 05:56:57 am
Congrats to JR for winning the WSB trophy for the second successive year. I do however think the Kawa riders are concerned  :eek7: at the recent pace of the Ducati...specially with Davies on board. Next year may be a different story.

Now to survive the 4 month desert period until racing starts next year...  ::)