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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Honda CR / CRF / Africa Twin 1000 => Topic started by: Dwerg on August 02, 2016, 09:16:07 am

Title: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on August 02, 2016, 09:16:07 am
Majority of us would've seen this bike but it looks like it's not just a prototype anymore

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/march/honda-crf250-rally-prototype/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/march/honda-crf250-rally-prototype/)

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/568385/1752x1168/373M5135.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on August 02, 2016, 09:30:09 am
Mooi, maar n crf450rally iiswat ons eintlik soek! :snorting:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 02, 2016, 10:05:46 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: MaxThePanda on August 02, 2016, 11:36:15 am
They'd sell a shitload if they would make this bike with a 500-650cc engine.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: gser on August 02, 2016, 12:09:19 pm
Honda's 1e scrambler/ds motorcycle with a 21" front wheel . . . single cylinder, also was a 250 ( early 70's)
I travelled ZA plat with it.
Is Honda testing the waters again ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 0012 on August 02, 2016, 04:03:48 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on August 02, 2016, 11:36:15 am
They'd sell a shitload if they would make this bike with a 500-650cc engine.

Agree, but maybe that would put it in a crazy price range?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 02, 2016, 04:40:17 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on August 02, 2016, 11:36:15 am
They'd sell a shitload if they would make this bike with a 500-650cc engine.
Put that twin 500 in there and they will not keep up with demand. :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on August 02, 2016, 04:54:22 pm
Apparently and from a reliable source there is serious talk of a 450TT. From what i gathered its basically going to be a 450 version of the 250L and is listed for 'Homologation tests"

Honda a very good a keeping these things on the low down.

This 250L Rally is super cool tho  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Slaaiblaar on August 02, 2016, 05:26:24 pm
If they build a CRF450L I will buy one. I always said my next bike will be a CRF250l
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on August 02, 2016, 05:37:27 pm
Nice modern looks
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: pietas on August 02, 2016, 05:49:56 pm
One can only hope. ...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 02, 2016, 11:14:20 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on August 02, 2016, 04:54:22 pm
Apparently and from a reliable source there is serious talk of a 450TT. From what i gathered its basically going to be a 450 version of the 250L and is listed for 'Homologation tests"

Honda a very good a keeping these things on the low down.

This 250L Rally is super cool tho  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Do you have a link ? There is no current 450cc engine made by Honda that they will put on the road as a dual sport. Will be nice if they come with something new but keep it close to the CRF450X heritage not a blinged up CRF250L like this  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on August 03, 2016, 04:30:43 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 02, 2016, 11:14:20 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on August 02, 2016, 04:54:22 pm
Apparently and from a reliable source there is serious talk of a 450TT. From what i gathered its basically going to be a 450 version of the 250L and is listed for 'Homologation tests"

Honda a very good a keeping these things on the low down.

This 250L Rally is super cool tho  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Do you have a link ? There is no current 450cc engine made by Honda that they will put on the road as a dual sport. Will be nice if they come with something new but keep it close to the CRF450X heritage not a blinged up CRF250L like this  :-\
No link but from a Honda dp here in KZN. He was spot on with the AT rumour back then. He said that Honda Japan are excellent at keeping new developments on the low down. We will see I suppose. I think if it does happen it will be a blinged up CRF250L with a detuned 450 motor of some sort
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 04, 2016, 02:23:19 pm
 :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on October 11, 2016, 11:32:32 pm
Quote from: Dwerg on August 02, 2016, 09:16:07 am
Majority of us would've seen this bike but it looks like it's not just a prototype anymore

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/march/honda-crf250-rally-prototype/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/march/honda-crf250-rally-prototype/)

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/568385/1752x1168/373M5135.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Very nice ... Exactly what is needed on these wild coast roads
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grondpaaie on October 13, 2016, 08:52:29 pm
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 02, 2016, 04:40:17 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on August 02, 2016, 11:36:15 am
They'd sell a shitload if they would make this bike with a 500-650cc engine.
Put that twin 500 in there and they will not keep up with demand. :deal:

That would be the bike!!!!!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 14, 2016, 12:50:53 pm
I love it.

With my weight a 250 is fine, loved my TTR.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on October 14, 2016, 12:53:40 pm
Soo ... when is it gonna be launched in SA?? ???
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 14, 2016, 03:55:06 pm
Saw a video on the Wr250, also looks like a nice bike....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on October 14, 2016, 04:11:19 pm
Quote from: meurig on October 14, 2016, 03:55:06 pm
Saw a video on the Wr250, also looks like a nice bike....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI)

Nice! Is this a 310cc?

I really like these small adventure bikes! :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 14, 2016, 04:29:19 pm
Quote from: Fransw on October 14, 2016, 04:11:19 pm
Quote from: meurig on October 14, 2016, 03:55:06 pm
Saw a video on the Wr250, also looks like a nice bike....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUbP-WdUasI)

Nice! Is this a 310cc?


They say so
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on November 08, 2016, 07:14:17 am
More detail here (http://www.cycleworld.com/2017-honda-crf250l-rally-finally-takes-dual-sport-riding-seriously). I love the little tool compartment. Also looks pannier ready

(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/xl_1x_/public/images/2016/11/2017-honda-crf250l-rally-09.jpg?itok=fFV7n_sG)

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: machanicmike on November 09, 2016, 10:53:14 pm
So CRF250 Rally   is going into production When will we See it in SA if at all  .The details look good but  The weight is 157 kg    Why didnt they Start with the CRF 450x
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on November 10, 2016, 09:10:29 am
Our local Honda dealer here don't seem to know about the 250 but say there is a 450 on its way shortly :question: Does anybody else know something about this??
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on November 10, 2016, 09:13:03 am
I just know about the new R and RX models. Nothing about a dual sport
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on November 23, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
Quote from: ROSSI on November 10, 2016, 09:10:29 am
Our local Honda dealer here don't seem to know about the 250 but say there is a 450 on its way shortly :question: Does anybody else know something about this??

I really really hope for the 450 motor!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 08, 2017, 04:06:58 pm
if the 450 comes out I may have to sell my child
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: gser on February 08, 2017, 08:54:32 pm
In the early 70s ,  die land plat gery with a XL250 met 'n klein tenk  . . .  .
mmmmm.. . .
We have so many choses today in mobility modes , ' ' ' '
Eish  !!!
klim op en ry . . .
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on March 16, 2017, 10:50:21 am
I've booked to ride one at the SA bike fest  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on March 17, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 16, 2017, 10:50:21 am
I've booked to ride one at the SA bike fest  :ricky:
Keep us posted with pics ..please
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on March 17, 2017, 09:24:46 am
Quote from: ROSSI on March 17, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 16, 2017, 10:50:21 am
I've booked to ride one at the SA bike fest  :ricky:
Keep us posted with pics ..please

A bit more than two months to go but will do  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on March 25, 2017, 09:13:18 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 17, 2017, 09:24:46 am
Quote from: ROSSI on March 17, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 16, 2017, 10:50:21 am
I've booked to ride one at the SA bike fest  :ricky:
Keep us posted with pics ..please

A bit more than two months to go but will do  :thumleft:

Dwerg

Myself and Tau will be launching the CRF 250 Rally to print media and social media at the end of April / beginning of May on behalf of Honda Motorcycles. It will be a launch unlike any other. We will invite a few WD too. Happens in and around Tankwa.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on March 25, 2017, 09:15:42 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 08, 2017, 04:06:58 pm
if the 450 comes out I may have to sell my child

I can confirm that the 450 Rally is definitely going into production.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: shanti on March 25, 2017, 09:59:39 am
some info or rumors on the 450 rally
http://www.therideadvice.com/is-honda-planning-a-production-version-of-the-crf450-rally/
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 25, 2017, 11:08:20 am
Quote from: Hardy de Kock on March 25, 2017, 09:15:42 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 08, 2017, 04:06:58 pm
if the 450 comes out I may have to sell my child

I can confirm that the 450 Rally is definitely going into production.
One child for sale.. 17 years old. Lazy but will work

Sent from my SM-A500FU using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on March 26, 2017, 02:34:34 am
Quote from: Hardy de Kock on March 25, 2017, 09:13:18 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 17, 2017, 09:24:46 am
Quote from: ROSSI on March 17, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Quote from: Dwerg on March 16, 2017, 10:50:21 am
I've booked to ride one at the SA bike fest  :ricky:
Keep us posted with pics ..please

A bit more than two months to go but will do  :thumleft:

Dwerg

Myself and Tau will be launching the CRF 250 Rally to print media and social media at the end of April / beginning of May on behalf of Honda Motorcycles. It will be a launch unlike any other. We will invite a few WD too. Happens in and around Tankwa.

Sounds great keep us posted
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on April 25, 2017, 08:04:33 am
Looks like they are going to be ~R85k
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2017, 08:08:14 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 25, 2017, 11:08:20 am
Quote from: Hardy de Kock on March 25, 2017, 09:15:42 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 08, 2017, 04:06:58 pm
if the 450 comes out I may have to sell my child

I can confirm that the 450 Rally is definitely going into production.
One child for sale.. 17 years old. Lazy but will work

Sent from my SM-A500FU using Tapatalk
:drif: together with the 390 KTM ADV to come out in 2019 is giving me hope
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on April 25, 2017, 09:05:43 am
Saw the new Kawasaki 300 Versys two weeks ago ... looks great and goes for R75k
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: DeepBass9 on April 25, 2017, 10:05:15 am
Quote from: MaxThePanda on August 02, 2016, 11:36:15 am
They'd sell a shitload if they would make this bike with a 500-650cc engine.

Even a 400 would be awesome.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Orangeswifty on April 25, 2017, 10:14:27 am
I'm sorry but I don't understand the current Hoo-Haa around the smaller engine touring bikes.
For me its all about the balance between power and weight.
Granted.......a smaller lighter touring bike is the answer but there are 2 things that are paramount to travelling in comfort
Fuel range and power to weight.
If you are on a dirt road traveling at 40 to 60 k's/hour and there is an unexpected obstacle you need reserve power to get you out of the shit.
Unless you enjoy going down and eating dust

Imagine packing 30 to 50kg's of touring essentials on that bike with yourself on top and trying to overtake a lorry or something on an incline with 18.2Kw Max power output ::)
It would be frustrating to say the least.
Almost like that piece of shit 650 Dakar GS I used to own for 3months :eek7:
My weight with luggage and tools would be 160kg's min
Most SA boys weigh upwards of 100Kg's
Except for midgets and maergatte!

I would NEVER buy something like this
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on April 25, 2017, 05:10:31 pm


Makes Sense to me. There are many world travelers now on smaller bikes. They go places big bikes dont.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on April 25, 2017, 07:44:46 pm
Quote from: Orangeswifty on April 25, 2017, 10:14:27 am
I'm sorry but I don't understand the current Hoo-Haa around the smaller engine touring bikes.
For me its all about the balance between power and weight.
Granted.......a smaller lighter touring bike is the answer but there are 2 things that are paramount to travelling in comfort
Fuel range and power to weight.
If you are on a dirt road traveling at 40 to 60 k's/hour and there is an unexpected obstacle you need reserve power to get you out of the shit.
Unless you enjoy going down and eating dust

Imagine packing 30 to 50kg's of touring essentials on that bike with yourself on top and trying to overtake a lorry or something on an incline with 18.2Kw Max power output ::)
It would be frustrating to say the least.
Almost like that piece of shit 650 Dakar GS I used to own for 3months :eek7:
My weight with luggage and tools would be 160kg's min
Most SA boys weigh upwards of 100Kg's
Except for midgets and maergatte!

I would NEVER buy something like this

Swifty

Adventure bikes or dual sport bikes is the most lucrative segment for most motorcycle brands. Thorough research into this segment has shown that there is a massive non-active yet aspirational following of wannabe adventure riders that simply don't buyfor several reasons.

Some of these reasons are:

Bike weight
Bike power (yes I know)
Too scared of embarrassment
Price
Reluctance to purchase secondhand
etc.

From what I understand you are a very good rider. Most wannabe adventurers are not. All the brands will rapidly follow the trend and cater for this lucrative market in the very near future.
Kamanya, Rynet, 2SD, Tau, Jaco Kirsten and LuckyStriker will do the CRF Rally media launch with us in two weeks time. Let's hear what they think of it, knowing who the market is that these small dualies are intended for.

Cheers
Hardy



Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Geel Kat on April 25, 2017, 08:03:23 pm
Kind of ironic that all the people chosen for the launch love big bikes.

Will be interesting to hear what they say about an overweight 250, let's hope it is the bike everyone is dreaming of.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: shanti on April 25, 2017, 10:32:28 pm
so I guess the question is would you pay 80K for a essentially 250L with a molded ? bash plate and a new light assembly - the cf250L is everything this bike is without the molded plastics - looks the part but is the same bike .
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on April 26, 2017, 03:37:36 am
Quote from: shanti on April 25, 2017, 10:32:28 pm
so I guess the question is would you pay 80K for a essentially 250L with a molded ? bash plate and a new light assembly - the cf250L is everything this bike is without the molded plastics - looks the part but is the same bike .

You could say that, or you could say it does have a fairing/windscreen, LED lights and indicators, bigger tank, abs of which the rear wheel could be switched off on the fly, rally footpegs etc..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on April 26, 2017, 06:36:59 am
Quote from: Geel Kat on April 25, 2017, 08:03:23 pm
Kind of ironic that all the people chosen for the launch love big bikes.

Will be interesting to hear what they say about an overweight 250, let's hope it is the bike everyone is dreaming of.

No one is under the illusion that this is the holy grail of adventure bikes but it's still an exciting model
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on April 26, 2017, 08:24:01 am
I understand the engine is slightly upgraded for more horsepower and torque. Also the gearbox has different ratios to the 250L..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: tau on April 26, 2017, 04:18:29 pm
She is pretty in real life. 🤤🤤🤤

I am an absolute power freak, I have destroyed TKC 80 's in 800 km and I have done 1000km of dirt at high speed.

This bike is not that.

My father inlaw crashed his 1200 and passed away. I am still convinced he was over biked.

In the USA, Aus and Europe people travel vast distances on singles. This bike has range and ability.

Yes you are not flying on open roads, but you can explore all the wilder spots.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: tau on April 26, 2017, 06:35:54 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170426/3acd2d523e10b0695919016632c75964.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kamanya on April 26, 2017, 11:59:40 pm
I can't wait to ride this little bike. I have spent many moons trying to convince non biking riders to have a go. I had a wife that might have tried, I have nephews who are keen but still young, I have numerous friends who mountain bike or 4x4 and are intrigued but have never considered the utter fun and freedom a bike can bring.

I can't wait to throw it over and pick it up, see how it cruises, how competent the suspension is and all the practical shit that many princess or cheap models miss.

A bonus is if I can slide it, sit on it for 8 hours and have fun.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 27, 2017, 12:25:56 am
Whether we like it or not, agree or disagree, but image plays a role in biking, and most other places.

This little bike is pretty, very pretty, and cool in the current rally fashion.

On paper it does seem to have little power, but I have seen that in practise it often feels different, so let us see what they feel like.

Geelkat, I love small bikes and I will at the very least give it a fair review.

And a thorough test. >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on April 28, 2017, 03:55:52 pm
Hi I have managed to one for my showroom in Knysna. Feels incredibly light compared to my AT. Looks fantastic.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 1190 on April 28, 2017, 03:58:33 pm
Nice  :thumleft: we need a ride report :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on April 28, 2017, 04:51:23 pm
Unfortunately this is a stock bike. i will try get my hands on a demo.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: tau on April 28, 2017, 06:11:35 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/ae552d946925baf7198dbe9ff7054446.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/670f05d487985396f5ebc7e8fbb0c59f.jpg)

Very capable in the rough. Would have loved to do some series climbs that I could reference to other bikes, but don't want to damage her before the launch.

Great build quality.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Woestynhond on April 28, 2017, 07:33:23 pm
What is the dry weight of bike?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Geel Kat on April 29, 2017, 07:23:57 am
Quote from: 2StrokeDan on April 27, 2017, 12:25:56 am
Whether we like it or not, agree or disagree, but image plays a role in biking, and most other places.

This little bike is pretty, very pretty, and cool in the current rally fashion.

On paper it does seem to have little power, but I have seen that in practise it often feels different, so let us see what they feel like.

Geelkat, I love small bikes and I will at the very least give it a fair review.

And a thorough test. >:D
Quote from: Dwerg on April 26, 2017, 06:36:59 am
Quote from: Geel Kat on April 25, 2017, 08:03:23 pm
Kind of ironic that all the people chosen for the launch love big bikes.

Will be interesting to hear what they say about an overweight 250, let's hope it is the bike everyone is dreaming of.

No one is under the illusion that this is the holy grail of adventure bikes but it's still an exciting model

You both seem to think i am trashing this bike without knowing anything about it - you are both wrong.

The two most underrated bikes in our garage are the little CRF230's, on which my wife and daughter have hours of fun anywhere we feel like riding, any terrain, any time - even tar if really necessary.

I really hope this is a great little bike.
The weight of the bike seems a bit high to me, I will be quite happy to be proven wrong.

Fact is that the testers are all "big bike people" but that is probably a good thing.

Another fact is that all the testers CAN ride and all of them will also provide a no bullshit review of any bike they test.

Last fact is that I can easily see two small touring bikes in our garage for my wife and I going forward, so any development in this area can only be good.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on April 29, 2017, 10:08:28 am
The Kerb weight is 157KGs Dry weight 145KGs
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on April 29, 2017, 12:37:06 pm
Quote from: Geel Kat on April 29, 2017, 07:23:57 am
Quote from: 2StrokeDan on April 27, 2017, 12:25:56 am
Whether we like it or not, agree or disagree, but image plays a role in biking, and most other places.

This little bike is pretty, very pretty, and cool in the current rally fashion.

On paper it does seem to have little power, but I have seen that in practise it often feels different, so let us see what they feel like.

Geelkat, I love small bikes and I will at the very least give it a fair review.

And a thorough test. >:D
Quote from: Dwerg on April 26, 2017, 06:36:59 am
Quote from: Geel Kat on April 25, 2017, 08:03:23 pm
Kind of ironic that all the people chosen for the launch love big bikes.

Will be interesting to hear what they say about an overweight 250, let's hope it is the bike everyone is dreaming of.

No one is under the illusion that this is the holy grail of adventure bikes but it's still an exciting model

You both seem to think i am trashing this bike without knowing anything about it - you are both wrong.

The two most underrated bikes in our garage are the little CRF230's, on which my wife and daughter have hours of fun anywhere we feel like riding, any terrain, any time - even tar if really necessary.

I really hope this is a great little bike.
The weight of the bike seems a bit high to me, I will be quite happy to be proven wrong.

Fact is that the testers are all "big bike people" but that is probably a good thing.

Another fact is that all the testers CAN ride and all of them will also provide a no bullshit review of any bike they test.

Last fact is that I can easily see two small touring bikes in our garage for my wife and I going forward, so any development in this area can only be good.

Geel Kat

I did not think you were trashing it, and you are correct. The riders were chosen because, apart from Oom Danie, they are all big bike riders, with a reputation for honest reviews. I believe the bigger bikes are just too expensive nowadays, and I also believe that while the brands slug it out to see who gets the most electronic gadgets onto the bikes, the riders (who switches all this shite off, the moment they hit the gravel) will eventually end up with bikes that weighs a ton, and therefor fall short of what they are suppose to be.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ZooDog on April 29, 2017, 01:21:40 pm
Price
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 29, 2017, 03:56:44 pm
Hope the subframe is strong enough for the luggage. :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Welsh on April 29, 2017, 06:52:17 pm
Ummm ABS needed on a 250? or am I missing something?  ::) small agile interactive... ooh yes lets add weight and dumb it down???
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on April 29, 2017, 09:07:03 pm
Quote from: Welsh on April 29, 2017, 06:52:17 pm
Ummm ABS needed on a 250? or am I missing something?  ::) small agile interactive... ooh yes lets add weight and dumb it down???

Welsh - I suspect they had the commuter/ dual purpose market in mind when they designed it
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: kalliedt on May 02, 2017, 09:03:09 pm
Hardy Thank you for showing us (Charl & Vaatjie) the Honda CRF 250 Rally at Die Rooigranaat in Loxton on Saturday morning. The motorcycle is definitely suited for the younger and may be less experienced rider that want to get involved in the dual motorcycle experience. Showed the photo to my 18 year old son and he is so excited to go on the next trip with me. XR125 is old news. Vaatjie is still convinced that the Rally will get his wife to start riding with him. We will probably have company on our next trip. Good luck with your event next weekend. Will look out for the reviews.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 02, 2017, 09:45:05 pm
Quote from: Welsh on April 29, 2017, 06:52:17 pm
Ummm ABS needed on a 250? or am I missing something?  ::) small agile interactive... ooh yes lets add weight and dumb it down???
I think in Europe all bikes needs ABS to be sold there
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kamanya on May 13, 2017, 09:29:21 pm
Quote from: Welsh on April 29, 2017, 06:52:17 pm
Ummm ABS needed on a 250? or am I missing something?  ::) small agile interactive... ooh yes lets add weight and dumb it down???

Wait till you try it!

I'm sold on it.

Today I did the exact same route on my 990 (Wuppertahl and postal route). I had a novice friend on his 990 along too. He grew up on bikes in Namibia and learnt to ride on sand. He had been off a bike for many years and about 2 years ago came back to it.

He kakked off and didn't enjoy the postal route much. I'm pretty certain he never saw 3rd gear on the whole Postal Route. He fell many times in the sandy bits and got stuck on the rocky climbs a few times. I had to ride his bike out on one of them. On the R355, a gravel highway, he cruised the 100k's at 120 as that was his comfort level.

2 of the Honda guys had never ridden sand, yet they each only fell once and never got stuck. They also cruised at 120 on that road. They had heaps of fun and were never more than 5 minutes behind us hooligans at the front.

If my buddy had been on the 250 he'd have had a great day out.

Later once back on the tar, we got home at 150kph whereas the Honda runs out of steam at 135.

MAny many guys are over biked.

But back to your brake comment, I think they are stupendous and absolutely mandatory on this bike. I loved them.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on May 14, 2017, 09:14:36 am
Quote from: Kamanya on May 13, 2017, 09:29:21 pm
Quote from: Welsh on April 29, 2017, 06:52:17 pm
Ummm ABS needed on a 250? or am I missing something?  ::) small agile interactive... ooh yes lets add weight and dumb it down???

Wait till you try it!

I'm sold on it.

Today I did the exact same route on my 990 (Wuppertahl and postal route). I had a novice friend on his 990 along too. He grew up on bikes in Namibia and learnt to ride on sand. He had been off a bike for many years and about 2 years ago came back to it.

He kakked off and didn't enjoy the postal route much. I'm pretty certain he never saw 3rd gear on the whole Postal Route. He fell many times in the sandy bits and got stuck on the rocky climbs a few times. I had to ride his bike out on one of them. On the R355, a gravel highway, he cruised the 100k's at 120 as that was his comfort level.

2 of the Honda guys had never ridden sand, yet they each only fell once and never got stuck. They also cruised at 120 on that road. They had heaps of fun and were never more than 5 minutes behind us hooligans at the front.

If my buddy had been on the 250 he'd have had a great day out.

Later once back on the tar, we got home at 150kph whereas the Honda runs out of steam at 135.

MAny many guys are over biked.

But back to your brake comment, I think they are stupendous and absolutely mandatory on this bike. I loved them.
I had the privilege to ride the Rally on the BMX track at the Barrel pub yesterday.  Normally I go play there on my trials or the WR.  After 10 minutes of spirited playing I remembered it had ABS.  I never switched it off or even noticed it.  Lots of deep sand too.   :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Pistonpete on May 14, 2017, 10:01:46 am
At a quick glance through the mags this is what we have.

Honda CRF250Rally R84 999
on special Honda NC750 R89 999 from Cayenne (latest Ridefast mag)

What else can you get at that approx price point..

Royal Enfield R65 000
KTM Duke 390 R63 999
Kawasaki ER650N R88 995
Honda CRF250L R79 999
Ducati Sixty2 R98 900
Benelli Cafe 600 R75 990 (1130 Trek only R99 990)

It's a lot of money for a 250 but there's not much out there at the price point so they probably have a winner.

Second hand bikes at the price is another story


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.

I took a bunch of novices on a bucket list turning-50 birthday week trip a few years back. The locals I rented DR's for, the birthday boy came over from the UK and rented his own bike a BM 650 twin. He's extremely short, and that bike had been lowered. On the concrete tweespoor down to Wuppertal he had a spill, and that was R15k damage to the bike. All of them would have been better off on this bike, although the DR does make a great beginner bike and crashes extremely well.

But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on May 15, 2017, 09:36:26 am
Quote from: Pistonpete on May 14, 2017, 10:01:46 am
At a quick glance through the mags this is what we have.

Honda CRF250Rally R84 999
on special Honda NC750 R89 999 from Cayenne (latest Ridefast mag)

What else can you get at that approx price point..

Royal Enfield R65 000
KTM Duke 390 R63 999
Kawasaki ER650N R88 995
Honda CRF250L R79 999
Ducati Sixty2 R98 900
Benelli Cafe 600 R75 990 (1130 Trek only R99 990)

It's a lot of money for a 250 but there's not much out there at the price point so they probably have a winner.

Second hand bikes at the price is another story
Think you forgot the new Kawasaki 300 Versys at R75000
Seems to tick many boxes
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Pistonpete on May 15, 2017, 06:47:24 pm
Quote from: ROSSI on May 15, 2017, 09:36:26 am
Quote from: Pistonpete on May 14, 2017, 10:01:46 am
At a quick glance through the mags this is what we have.

Honda CRF250Rally R84 999
on special Honda NC750 R89 999 from Cayenne (latest Ridefast mag)

What else can you get at that approx price point..

Royal Enfield R65 000
KTM Duke 390 R63 999
Kawasaki ER650N R88 995
Honda CRF250L R79 999
Ducati Sixty2 R98 900
Benelli Cafe 600 R75 990 (1130 Trek only R99 990)

It's a lot of money for a 250 but there's not much out there at the price point so they probably have a winner.

Second hand bikes at the price is another story
Think you forgot the new Kawasaki 300 Versys at R75000
Seems to tick many boxes

True..thanks for pointing that out...one of the better motors?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Omninorm on May 18, 2017, 01:27:14 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.

I took a bunch of novices on a bucket list turning-50 birthday week trip a few years back. The locals I rented DR's for, the birthday boy came over from the UK and rented his own bike a BM 650 twin. He's extremely short, and that bike had been lowered. On the concrete tweespoor down to Wuppertal he had a spill, and that was R15k damage to the bike. All of them would have been better off on this bike, although the DR does make a great beginner bike and crashes extremely well.

But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...

Max i agree 100%. Even I know that and I ride a 1200GS. I also have a WR250F though and know what fun on a trail can be with a lighter bike.

Here is the issue though.

You and your mates and riding buddies now ALL need to go buy smaller displacement bikes. Becasue as  Kamanya observed, the big bikes will want to cruise home at 150 +

I had this issue when i was on my 650 single with okes on 1200GS/ 1190's / 800GS's
When it comes to going 5 day trips. I'm loaded and they only do gravel anyway since the other bikes all cruised 80kph - 120kph on those roads with me. They don't want to do rougher terrain...rightly so...but then you feel like holding them up. Thats on a 650 that can easily do 140kph.

Add a a 250-300 to the mix and you need to find different riding buddies.
Just a realworld observation.

I'd love it if everyone says right. 650 singles and under. Lets go.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROSSI on May 18, 2017, 01:41:59 pm
Quote from: Omninorm on May 18, 2017, 01:27:14 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.

I took a bunch of novices on a bucket list turning-50 birthday week trip a few years back. The locals I rented DR's for, the birthday boy came over from the UK and rented his own bike a BM 650 twin. He's extremely short, and that bike had been lowered. On the concrete tweespoor down to Wuppertal he had a spill, and that was R15k damage to the bike. All of them would have been better off on this bike, although the DR does make a great beginner bike and crashes extremely well.

But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...

Max i agree 100%. Even I know that and I ride a 1200GS. I also have a WR250F though and know what fun on a trail can be with a lighter bike.

Here is the issue though.

You and your mates and riding buddies now ALL need to go buy smaller displacement bikes. Becasue as  Kamanya observed, the big bikes will want to cruise home at 150 +

I had this issue when i was on my 650 single with okes on 1200GS/ 1190's / 800GS's
When it comes to going 5 day trips. I'm loaded and they only do gravel anyway since the other bikes all cruised 80kph - 120kph on those roads with me. They don't want to do rougher terrain...rightly so...but then you feel like holding them up. Thats on a 650 that can easily do 140kph.

Add a a 250-300 to the mix and you need to find different riding buddies.
Just a realworld observation.

I'd love it if everyone says right. 650 singles and under. Lets go.

Very true ... All depends what your buds are riding

Donno if true but someone say this 300 kawa got approx same power as KLR650 ??
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Omninorm on May 18, 2017, 03:28:44 pm
Quote from: ROSSI on May 18, 2017, 01:41:59 pm
Quote from: Omninorm on May 18, 2017, 01:27:14 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.

I took a bunch of novices on a bucket list turning-50 birthday week trip a few years back. The locals I rented DR's for, the birthday boy came over from the UK and rented his own bike a BM 650 twin. He's extremely short, and that bike had been lowered. On the concrete tweespoor down to Wuppertal he had a spill, and that was R15k damage to the bike. All of them would have been better off on this bike, although the DR does make a great beginner bike and crashes extremely well.

But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...

Max i agree 100%. Even I know that and I ride a 1200GS. I also have a WR250F though and know what fun on a trail can be with a lighter bike.

Here is the issue though.

You and your mates and riding buddies now ALL need to go buy smaller displacement bikes. Becasue as  Kamanya observed, the big bikes will want to cruise home at 150 +

I had this issue when i was on my 650 single with okes on 1200GS/ 1190's / 800GS's
When it comes to going 5 day trips. I'm loaded and they only do gravel anyway since the other bikes all cruised 80kph - 120kph on those roads with me. They don't want to do rougher terrain...rightly so...but then you feel like holding them up. Thats on a 650 that can easily do 140kph.

Add a a 250-300 to the mix and you need to find different riding buddies.
Just a realworld observation.

I'd love it if everyone says right. 650 singles and under. Lets go.

Very true ... All depends what your buds are riding

Donno if true but someone say this 300 kawa got approx same power as KLR650 ??

48hp on KLR, 38hp on Versys.
Versys a bit lighter though but it's a twin so lots of revs but not as much torque.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 06, 2017, 03:23:58 pm
Anyone on the forum buy one of these CRF250 Rally's yet?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: PRODEO on June 06, 2017, 05:32:32 pm
Hi Dwerg, Is die Honda nog te koop en wat is prys?

Prodeo
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 06, 2017, 05:34:50 pm
Quote from: PRODEO on June 06, 2017, 05:32:32 pm
Hi Dwerg, Is die Honda nog te koop en wat is prys?

Prodeo
Nie te koop deur Dwerg maar wel by die naaste Honda handelaar as jy een kan kry Prodeo. :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zacapa on June 06, 2017, 07:42:48 pm
I feel "underbiked" most of the time. My NC700X is a slug when you want to go fast in a straight line on tar road Highways but a great commuter all the same. It gets better in the corners though because there it is 90% rider - 10% bike.
My XR650L remains my mainstay for when you just want to enjoy a bit of power and torque with good suspension. XR400R takes care of the rest. They are all different bikes and they are all great bikes. I bet that if I had a CRF 250 Rally I would probably arrive at the same conclusion. It's 90% rider and 10% the bike. What you gonna do with it? If this weekends ride was anything to remember it was that on a 150km loop we had good runnings through easy and fast gravel. some tweespoor and single trail, clipping tree branches and fording streams. On the 400R just when I thought the ride was mostly over I asked Mr.G to lead and he took us through a valley diversion which was plastics kind of terrain. XR's
are naturally good at this kind of riding. We survived and popped out on the easy cruise home. Trailing Stu and Mr.G I thought this was a fucking great ride for a Sunday afternoon. On the tar again past Nellies we went up the tar road pass up to Brackenhill and it was epic. Go as fast as you dare - hanging it in the corners - survive and remember it for always.

I think some people are a bit derisive about the 250 Rally. I don't care about that - Just go and ride your bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: WeeStrom on August 31, 2017, 11:47:29 am
I am a little surprised the crf250 was lumped together in a sub-forum with the likes of Africa Twins etc. Given its specs I actually went looking for it among the XR threads!

I am scouting around to find something much lighter than my Vstrom. I could not help but notice that this 250 weighs as much as a BMW X Challenge 650. Is there any particular feature or application that would make the 250 the preferred option?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: XRRX on August 31, 2017, 03:44:20 pm
Quote from: ROSSI on May 15, 2017, 09:36:26 am
Quote from: Pistonpete on May 14, 2017, 10:01:46 am
At a quick glance through the mags this is what we have.

Honda CRF250Rally R84 999
on special Honda NC750 R89 999 from Cayenne (latest Ridefast mag)

What else can you get at that approx price point..

Royal Enfield R65 000
KTM Duke 390 R63 999
Kawasaki ER650N R88 995
Honda CRF250L R79 999
Ducati Sixty2 R98 900
Benelli Cafe 600 R75 990 (1130 Trek only R99 990)

It's a lot of money for a 250 but there's not much out there at the price point so they probably have a winner.

Second hand bikes at the price is another story
Think you forgot the new Kawasaki 300 Versys at R75000
Seems to tick many boxes

Maybe the Kawa is good-ish - don't know ...
What I do know is it sure is fugly and brought in at the moment by the evergreen KMSA ...  :peepwall:
No thanks!!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Pistonpete on September 03, 2017, 08:31:09 am
Quote from: XRRX on August 31, 2017, 03:44:20 pm
Quote from: ROSSI on May 15, 2017, 09:36:26 am
Quote from: Pistonpete on May 14, 2017, 10:01:46 am
At a quick glance through the mags this is what we have.

Honda CRF250Rally R84 999
on special Honda NC750 R89 999 from Cayenne (latest Ridefast mag)

What else can you get at that approx price point..

Royal Enfield R65 000
KTM Duke 390 R63 999
Kawasaki ER650N R88 995
Honda CRF250L R79 999
Ducati Sixty2 R98 900
Benelli Cafe 600 R75 990 (1130 Trek only R99 990)

It's a lot of money for a 250 but there's not much out there at the price point so they probably have a winner.

Second hand bikes at the price is another story
Think you forgot the new Kawasaki 300 Versys at R75000
Seems to tick many boxes

Maybe the Kawa is good-ish - don't know ...
What I do know is it sure is fugly and brought in at the moment by the evergreen KMSA ...  :peepwall:
No thanks!!

Yip...forgot the least talked about bike as well...the ever present XT 250 at R59995
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 13, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
So, any Wilddog have a Rally yet?

I pulled the trigger on the poor mans version, it's predecessor, the Honda 2011 XR250 Tornado. Great little bike and I'm enjoying the commute. Not missing the Transalp at all at this stage.

Can't wait for the KTM390 Adventure. If they keep the older KTM640 Adventure in mind when building this little bike, I think it will be great.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 0012 on September 14, 2017, 07:26:25 am
Quote from: blauth on September 13, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
So, any Wilddog have a Rally yet?

Ping @Constantinople
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 05:07:26 pm
Quote from: 0012 on September 14, 2017, 07:26:25 am
Quote from: blauth on September 13, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
So, any Wilddog have a Rally yet?

Ping @Constantinople

Ek het 'n Rally ja, hoekom?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 14, 2017, 05:21:15 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 05:07:26 pm
Quote from: 0012 on September 14, 2017, 07:26:25 am
Quote from: blauth on September 13, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
So, any Wilddog have a Rally yet?

Ping @Constantinople

Ek het 'n Rally ja, hoekom?  :biggrin:

Give us a bit of a review of what it's like to live with.

Any buyers remorse?   :pot:     it is a lot of money....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: dirtyXT on September 14, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
been seeing this bike at the Honda centurion. looks incredible. didn't look too small either at first thought it was a 450. lighter = more fun.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 14, 2017, 07:58:25 pm
I was given the opportunity to ride The CRF250 Rally on the recent KZN Bash and was pleasantly surprised by this bike.

Upon delivery, the odo had 17km on the clock, so the engine was a tight as a Sharks arse in a power-dive, but loosened up after 200km a bit. Power delivery is very smooth almost throughout the rev range up to 10500 rpm. There is a pleasant surge at 6500rpm, but certainly not enough to scare you, or stretch your arms.... (it's only a 250).
Fuel consumption seemed good, but wasn't measured... I reckon around 35km/l.  Expect around 300 -350km range.
Personally I felt the bike could do with a little more power.... uncorking the exhaust and opening up the airbox would make a big difference IMHO. The European Emmissions rules are choking these machines! :deal:
 
Seat height and handlebar positioning is good, although for taller riders, I reckon some bar raisers will help. (I'm 1.83m tall, 86kg's).
Everything is of high quality workmanship, as it should be at the price, and no rattles whatsoever on stony/ gravelly roads were noticed.
I felt the footpegs could be a bit wider and the gear lever a bit longer, but that's all minor things, easily rectified.

The Rally handles like a dream!.... Suspension is plush, but not spongy, and at one stage I took my hands off the bars, riding at 110kph on loose, marble-like gravel, and the machine tracked straight..... On tar she handles well, and is beautifully "flickable". Personally I think Honda's got the handling right!  :thumleft:

Instruments were easy to read, and even the ABS works... I stomped on the rear brakes whilst ABS was activated, and got the distinct thump-thump sensation through the pedal. Deactivating the ABS on the instrument button only deactivates the rear brake, letting you be able to lock up for sliding through bends, etc. but front is permanently on, and I'm not brave enough to test the front on a new loan bike, so can't comment on that! :o  Being an old technology/school rider, I found the brakes to be perfectly matched for this machine.

Once run in, I feel the bike will happily cruise at 110-115kph all day. The engine is turning at around 75% of its rev-range at these speeds, and doesn't feel stressed. It's no high speed superbike, and highway overtaking should be done with caution, as the motor takes it's time to build up to higher speeds from 100kph... (it's only a 250 FFS!)

Overall, I'm impressed with this bike, bearing in mind that long tours will take a little longer at meander-speeds, but feel it will never disappoint newbies and riders who enjoy going anywhere at "sub-sonic" pace.
Personally I reckon a 400 -500cc mill in this bike would make the perfect mid-range adventure bike. (Hint-hint Honda) >:D :pot:

Would I buy one? ....Yes,..... but Please Honda... make it more affordable?

Have a look in the KZN bash 2017 RR.... there's a few pis of the bike there.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 14, 2017, 08:38:57 pm
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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 08:55:04 pm
Tommy T has it spot on. The bike is one well built machine. I took it up to Kaokoland and back. It was only my incompetance that ended in the repair bill I now have. However, that which broke was nothing which people faulted on this bike! The plastics are tough as nails, I crashed a lot in the deep sand and nothing broke. The one, fatigue induced, tipover on Van Zyls was a bit unfortunate, broke both right hand side indicators and my starter button off. This was purely due to rocks perfectly positioned to knock them off. Bashplate shrugged off many a rock and one inadvertent ramp over a bolder next to a deep sand 2 spoor. Suspension obviously bottomed on that. But only that. Remember to tune the rear preload all the way up.

This bike handles the rough really well. Suspension is really plush without being divey. Engine gets lively at the 6500+ rpm mark. These 250 engines does take quite a while to break in. Mine was well loosened through the countless high rpm sand starts!  :lol8: One fault though is the 120/80 rear wheel. It is like a cutting disk in deep sand... Coupled with the stock gearing it takes a while to get the sweet spot between spinning out in 1st and bogging down in second. Drop a tooth in front or gain a few on the back should solve this problem when the ride is going to be technical. This was done on many 250L overseas.

Hope this review helps! All the faults people pointed out were myth. The only thing that really bent that I am unhappy about is the rear toolbox mounting tab. This resulted in the tyre chowing through it. Bent it back but still not right, will need to take the story apart for a closer inspection. However, I think it only bent due to the insane amount of luggage we took along on the trip and hence the massive load on it when dropping the bike on its left.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 15, 2017, 11:21:18 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 08:55:04 pm
Tommy T has it spot on. The bike is one well built machine. I took it up to Kaokoland and back. It was only my incompetance that ended in the repair bill I now have. However, that which broke was nothing which people faulted on this bike! The plastics are tough as nails, I crashed a lot in the deep sand and nothing broke. The one, fatigue induced, tipover on Van Zyls was a bit unfortunate, broke both right hand side indicators and my starter button off. This was purely due to rocks perfectly positioned to knock them off. Bashplate shrugged off many a rock and one inadvertent ramp over a bolder next to a deep sand 2 spoor. Suspension obviously bottomed on that. But only that. Remember to tune the rear preload all the way up.

This bike handles the rough really well. Suspension is really plush without being divey. Engine gets lively at the 6500+ rpm mark. These 250 engines does take quite a while to break in. Mine was well loosened through the countless high rpm sand starts!  :lol8: One fault though is the 120/80 rear wheel. It is like a cutting disk in deep sand... Coupled with the stock gearing it takes a while to get the sweet spot between spinning out in 1st and bogging down in second. Drop a tooth in front or gain a few on the back should solve this problem when the ride is going to be technical. This was done on many 250L overseas.

Hope this review helps! All the faults people pointed out were myth. The only thing that really bent that I am unhappy about is the rear toolbox mounting tab. This resulted in the tyre chowing through it. Bent it back but still not right, will need to take the story apart for a closer inspection. However, I think it only bent due to the insane amount of luggage we took along on the trip and hence the massive load on it when dropping the bike on its left.

I don't think the 120 rear is a problem. Thing is, if you install rim locks and re-balance your wheels, then you can drop your tyre pressure down to 1 bar for the sand. That would help a whole lot. Just make sure you re-inflate the tyre when back on hard pack.

There is an oke called Minky (I think it was him) who has had a number of CRF250L and now a CRF250 Rally over on Adv rider and he fitted a CBX250 gearbox into his CRF250L (obviously has too much time and money on his hands). He said the gearing has a really short first on the Rally and L and a really tall top gear whereas the CBX gearing appeared to be more evenly spaced. From there he fitted a CBR300 engine and was very happy with that.

I find the gear ratio's quite close on my little 250 Tornado. The sprocket ratio is 13/38 and I have mine at 13/42 so it's quite nippy but top end is only about 130.....maxed out, comfortably cruising at about 107km/h. This engine isn't happy revving high though, you can feel, it's just reluctant. I suspect it's related to the CAM profile. Perhaps that's been updated on the Rally because it was more eager to rev than my little bike.

Post some ride reports on your Rally, I love the look of it.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 15, 2017, 05:40:43 pm
Quote from: blauth on September 15, 2017, 11:21:18 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 08:55:04 pm
Tommy T has it spot on. The bike is one well built machine. I took it up to Kaokoland and back. It was only my incompetance that ended in the repair bill I now have. However, that which broke was nothing which people faulted on this bike! The plastics are tough as nails, I crashed a lot in the deep sand and nothing broke. The one, fatigue induced, tipover on Van Zyls was a bit unfortunate, broke both right hand side indicators and my starter button off. This was purely due to rocks perfectly positioned to knock them off. Bashplate shrugged off many a rock and one inadvertent ramp over a bolder next to a deep sand 2 spoor. Suspension obviously bottomed on that. But only that. Remember to tune the rear preload all the way up.

This bike handles the rough really well. Suspension is really plush without being divey. Engine gets lively at the 6500+ rpm mark. These 250 engines does take quite a while to break in. Mine was well loosened through the countless high rpm sand starts!  :lol8: One fault though is the 120/80 rear wheel. It is like a cutting disk in deep sand... Coupled with the stock gearing it takes a while to get the sweet spot between spinning out in 1st and bogging down in second. Drop a tooth in front or gain a few on the back should solve this problem when the ride is going to be technical. This was done on many 250L overseas.

Hope this review helps! All the faults people pointed out were myth. The only thing that really bent that I am unhappy about is the rear toolbox mounting tab. This resulted in the tyre chowing through it. Bent it back but still not right, will need to take the story apart for a closer inspection. However, I think it only bent due to the insane amount of luggage we took along on the trip and hence the massive load on it when dropping the bike on its left.

I don't think the 120 rear is a problem. Thing is, if you install rim locks and re-balance your wheels, then you can drop your tyre pressure down to 1 bar for the sand. That would help a whole lot. Just make sure you re-inflate the tyre when back on hard pack.

There is an oke called Minky (I think it was him) who has had a number of CRF250L and now a CRF250 Rally over on Adv rider and he fitted a CBX250 gearbox into his CRF250L (obviously has too much time and money on his hands). He said the gearing has a really short first on the Rally and L and a really tall top gear whereas the CBX gearing appeared to be more evenly spaced. From there he fitted a CBR300 engine and was very happy with that.

I find the gear ratio's quite close on my little 250 Tornado. The sprocket ratio is 13/38 and I have mine at 13/42 so it's quite nippy but top end is only about 130.....maxed out, comfortably cruising at about 107km/h. This engine isn't happy revving high though, you can feel, it's just reluctant. I suspect it's related to the CAM profile. Perhaps that's been updated on the Rally because it was more eager to rev than my little bike.

Post some ride reports on your Rally, I love the look of it.
What he said
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 16, 2017, 07:01:13 pm
Quote from: blauth on September 15, 2017, 11:21:18 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 08:55:04 pm
Tommy T has it spot on. The bike is one well built machine. I took it up to Kaokoland and back. It was only my incompetance that ended in the repair bill I now have. However, that which broke was nothing which people faulted on this bike! The plastics are tough as nails, I crashed a lot in the deep sand and nothing broke. The one, fatigue induced, tipover on Van Zyls was a bit unfortunate, broke both right hand side indicators and my starter button off. This was purely due to rocks perfectly positioned to knock them off. Bashplate shrugged off many a rock and one inadvertent ramp over a bolder next to a deep sand 2 spoor. Suspension obviously bottomed on that. But only that. Remember to tune the rear preload all the way up.

This bike handles the rough really well. Suspension is really plush without being divey. Engine gets lively at the 6500+ rpm mark. These 250 engines does take quite a while to break in. Mine was well loosened through the countless high rpm sand starts!  :lol8: One fault though is the 120/80 rear wheel. It is like a cutting disk in deep sand... Coupled with the stock gearing it takes a while to get the sweet spot between spinning out in 1st and bogging down in second. Drop a tooth in front or gain a few on the back should solve this problem when the ride is going to be technical. This was done on many 250L overseas.

Hope this review helps! All the faults people pointed out were myth. The only thing that really bent that I am unhappy about is the rear toolbox mounting tab. This resulted in the tyre chowing through it. Bent it back but still not right, will need to take the story apart for a closer inspection. However, I think it only bent due to the insane amount of luggage we took along on the trip and hence the massive load on it when dropping the bike on its left.

I don't think the 120 rear is a problem. Thing is, if you install rim locks and re-balance your wheels, then you can drop your tyre pressure down to 1 bar for the sand. That would help a whole lot. Just make sure you re-inflate the tyre when back on hard pack.

There is an oke called Minky (I think it was him) who has had a number of CRF250L and now a CRF250 Rally over on Adv rider and he fitted a CBX250 gearbox into his CRF250L (obviously has too much time and money on his hands). He said the gearing has a really short first on the Rally and L and a really tall top gear whereas the CBX gearing appeared to be more evenly spaced. From there he fitted a CBR300 engine and was very happy with that.

I find the gear ratio's quite close on my little 250 Tornado. The sprocket ratio is 13/38 and I have mine at 13/42 so it's quite nippy but top end is only about 130.....maxed out, comfortably cruising at about 107km/h. This engine isn't happy revving high though, you can feel, it's just reluctant. I suspect it's related to the CAM profile. Perhaps that's been updated on the Rally because it was more eager to rev than my little bike.

Post some ride reports on your Rally, I love the look of it.
I watched his Dyno Youtube clip and he got 21rwhp after all the mods  :o Dont think it is worth it at all then. Just be happy with the 250 as is.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on September 16, 2017, 09:22:15 pm
Was there a link to the dyno vid?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 18, 2017, 08:50:46 am
Quote from: katana on September 16, 2017, 09:22:15 pm
Was there a link to the dyno vid?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on September 19, 2017, 12:19:19 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on September 14, 2017, 05:07:26 pm
Quote from: 0012 on September 14, 2017, 07:26:25 am
Quote from: blauth on September 13, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
So, any Wilddog have a Rally yet?

Ping @Constantinople

Ek het 'n Rally ja, hoekom?  :biggrin:

Ek ook!!!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 17, 2017, 08:57:09 am
Quote from: XRRX on October 09, 2017, 09:05:41 pm
Quote from: blauth on October 09, 2017, 04:26:43 pm
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Quote from: blauth on October 09, 2017, 10:34:27 am
I think this is what it should have been in the first place from BMW however I can understand that to bring a bike  into the market at sub 70k, things like quality spoke wheels is somewhat of an accounting challenge.

This is what I have been saying, and what BMW fans seem to accept with difficulty. In today's market, you can only undercut an opponent by such big margins if you offer less in a product.

I looked at, rode, and thoroughly appreciated the Honda CRF250Rally, and you would only choose the GS over the Honda if you're severely cash-strapped, ignorant, or if BMW-Daddy bought
sonny a GS.

You get what you pay for.

!970's Yamaha DT's had 21" front wheels, BMW still does not grasp the benefits. :imaposer:

So then why is the CRF250 Rally not available with the 300R engine? I appreciate that in some markets, 250+ bikes have a license restriction. What's the reasoning behind the pasty 250 engine?

As for your comment: "and you would only choose the GS over the Honda if you're severely cash-strapped, ignorant, or if BMW-Daddy bought sonny a GS.".....ya well, I'm gonna take a flyer here and suggest you've never ridden the little BMW so from a comparison perspective, you're probably the ignoranus in this case......    :pot:

I've never ridden the little 310R so can't honestly comment but off the top of my head, I have the little XR250 Tornado that I commute daily on and I love the little bike but make no mistake, it's seriously borderline power wise. A headwind is a killer right there. Fuel consumption to performance ratio is bad. The best part of the little thing is the general ergonomics and suspension for off-road.  I suspect the Rally is much of the same. The only reason it makes sense is because it didn't cost much money...else it wouldn't make much sense at all.

I'm going to take another flyer here and say that despite the shortcomings as a HARDCORE adventure bike, it's more suitable than the Rally to at least 90% of their customers and sales figures will prove that. It's only a few of us okes that have an expectation that every adventure bike should be a Rally bike.

I'm also going to take an "ignorant flyer" here...
Comparing a XR250 Tornado to the 250 Rally is probably as ignorant as one can be!

Yes, you're right about one thing - the 310GS Will sell in hordes and droves!!!
70 odd K for a new BMW badge on the side of the tank will probably account for 90% of sales!
In SA we all chase displacement and/or badge before anything else - that's why the 250 Rally will never sell well - because it's mainly about quality and capability - and Not about poser value...

"Comparing a XR250 Tornado to the 250 Rally is probably as ignorant as one can be!" ....hit a nerve did that?     So, having ridden the Rally and owning the Tornado, I'm gonna do a few comparisons....granted from my supremely ignorant perspective but feel free to challenge me on where I err in my perspective.

CRF250 Rally vs Tornado
- Engine capacity: Same
- Reliability: Same same, both excellent.
- Fuel Range: Rally gets an extra 40km...maybe, so similar.
- Suspension performance: I'd put my money on the Tornado being better sprung (similar views between CRF250L and 250 Rally) but they have similar travel and on the most part probably similar performance.
- Engine performance: Rally slightly better but potentially offset by the power to weight.
- Wheels: Same
- Onroad: Rally better on open road because of fairing. Both have wide seats, compliant suspension, similar gearing, same shitty power.
- Offroad: Tornado....simple, it's lighter and better sprung.
- Service Interval: Rally is better being water cooled and all and having long service intervals. Air/Oil cooling of Tornado needs oil more often.
- Brakes: Rally hands down. The rear drum is sucky on the Tornado and with the advanced ABS on the Rally, it's a clear winner.
- Crash-ability: Tornado....less shit to break.
- Instrument cluster: Rally has a Tach and Tornado doesn't but the Tornado has stuff like multiple trip meters, trip timers, time count downs etc so ....pick your poison.
- What would I rather break down on in the middle of nowhere:  Tornado....I'm sure I don't have to explain why.
- Age difference: Tornado: released in 2001, CRF250Rally, released in 2017. That's only 16 years to release a technological marvel that is leaps and bounds ahead of it's predecessor.......but wait, IT's NOT!   It's the fairing equivalent of the same thing (or similar if you want to be pedantic) .....
- Price: relative value 2001 versus 2017. It's a difficult one to answer because of market forces so not gonna chirp too much. What is obvious though is that Honda's Rally is currently at least 20 - 30% more expensive than the few competitors in the market. So if you're really want to talk price, comparing it to alternative manufacturers offerings gives a better perspective because they's all facing the same challenges.


Reference: https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2015/03/25/honda-crf250l-vs-xr250-tornado/
Yeah....yeah, I know the CRF250L is not the Rally but the chassis (bar minor changes to suspension), engine, drive train etc are the same.


XRRX.....remind me why it's ignorant to compare these two bikes?


For the record, I think the Rally is great albeit hectically overpriced and I'm not for a second discrediting the Rally. Now on the other hand, we have a bunch of okes discrediting a bike that isn't even released yet. That makes no sense to me.....

 :lol8: :lol8:

Enjoy your Tornado, think I even have a performance/noise pipe somewhere for one if you are interested ... I once had a yellow & black one ...
... and pardon me, since I have no interest in taking this senseless little argument any further with some actual facts ...  8)

Sorry for the Highjack guys - but let's wait and see what the little GS is all about when we get the chance eventually to ride it ...


So I pulled this over from the G310 thread because I didn't want to continue with hijacking that thread.....

"Comparing a XR250 Tornado to the 250 Rally is probably as ignorant as one can be!"
....
"and pardon me, since I have no interest in taking this senseless little argument any further with some actual facts ..."    As you can see above, we've got some difference of opinion but I'd genuinely like to know what these facts are that make the CRF250 Rally and the Honda Tornado incomparable?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 17, 2017, 10:13:13 am
Well, me, only having ridden the CRF 250 Rally through Kaokoland and back, and no experience of the Tornado say the following:

Engine wise - Well it seems it is the same engine that has been improved for the 250L and RLA (hence the reliability), however been choked down again by emission regulations. Tornado is only still selling in the "non-emission" regulated countries. The 250 L was Honda's revamp of the old and then got used in the Rally to push in a newish direction (small capacity "adventure" bikes :pot:). The only differences will be engine response. Considering EFI and new technology this should be better on the L and RLA. However, you did now and again get an old air-cooled that was quite responsive and sometimes even better than the EFI. But that is the exception.

Frame wise - Different, however still the same cradled engine setup. The L and RLA frame should be lighter and stronger considering how the pipe sections look like. Don't know if there is a handling difference, but a stiffer and lighter frame should be better (for certain applications).

Suspension - Larger diameter here will make the L & RLA better. Don't know if internals are different, I doubt it except for some fiddling with damping and the springs. I cannot agree on your assumption that the Tornado is better, especially since you have not ridden the rally on some proper off-road terrain. Also, the reviewer in that article loaded up the L much more than the Tornade, which he admits. Trust me, this twists the comparison! Luggage was 'n pein in die agterent in Kaokoland. My experience compared to what I know is that it is substantially better than a XT660Z. You must however increase shock preload! Considering the laziness of engineers (of which I am one!  :lol8:), most should not have change much except for the upside downness of the L and RLA and increased diameter. This alone should make it better.

Brakes - No competition. L and RLA better.

Lights - No competition, LED on Rally is really good. For the L new lenses should be better designed than the old Tornado one. Halogen bulb is the same.

Luggage - Same basically. Looks like the Tornado has a little less space.

Wheels - Same. Most probably stronger on the L and RLA.

Electronics - I don't think it is comparable.

Weight - L and Tornado the same. RLA heavier due to longer fork, headlight unit, screen, plastic side panels. I must however say that the L and RLA are "lighter" in terms of the parts, however not the sum of the parts (radiator, EFI unit, electronics, lights and forks adds quite a bit)

What am I forgetting? Seat?  :lol8:

Wait! I did forget something, your original question!  :lol8: Yes, I think they are comparable, but keeping in mind the pitfalls of the old vs new debate.

All in all. Specs wise, the L and rally is better on average. Some things are worse, which for some might make it worse, but that is what it is. Ride wise, I thoroughly enjoy my Rally :thumleft:! However, I would probably still have enjoyed myself on a Tornado as well!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 17, 2017, 02:06:17 pm
Thanks for the detailed response Constantinople,

I think I agree with just about everything you say. I hadn't thought about the lighting.  I have a 55W globe in mine and they are adequate at best. That's a big bonus on the new bikes.

Suspension, I'd need to ride them back to back in offroad terrain to compare. I've had a lot of bikes and many of them being adventure bikes. In all my adv bikes which included (DRZ400E, KTM640 Adventure, 2xXR650L, 2xXR600R, 1x XT660Z Tenere, 1x XT660R, 1x Honda Dominator 650, 1x 650 x-Challenge), this little 250 Tornado's suspension is possibly the best for adventure riding. It takes big hits well, it deals with the sharp edges comfortably and doesn't wash, being super predictable. Stanchions are thick for the size of the bike @ 41mm. It doesn't have the most travel (245mm), nor is it the sharpest for razor sharp handling but as an all rounder, it's the best at Adv of what I've owned...I think..at least in my opinion. The slightly shorter suspension travel is actually an advantage as an Adv as far as I'm concerned because with road work, you have significantly less dive and flex. I've obviously not comparing to GS800, Tiger 800 or the dirt bikes that I've used as Adv bikes because they really are incomparable.   I'm not really sold on the 'Larger Diameter' makes them better, it's all about the internals. As you can see, many of my past Adv bikes had upside down's which do typically provide less flex but most of them have not had nice high speed compression characteristics (excluding the XR's which are all super plush) making them skittish on rocky terrain.

The 250L that I did a little offroad on was OK in front but the rear suspension was a shocker. Does the Rally damp better and correctly if you wind the pre-load all the way down (harder)?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 17, 2017, 03:25:00 pm
Wow, you certainly had quite the ride(s)!  :thumleft:

I like how you say "for adventure", too many people miss that. You don't want a hard riding bike, like some off-roads, where the suspension is set up for high speeds. I don't have too much motorbiking experience, most of my hard riding experience is in mountain biking (riding enduro), where your suspension is setup for what you are actually doing. And yes, some people jaag when on their adventure so they will need different settings. Sorry, off topic!

I must say, pretty well done to Honda if they set that Tornado suspension so well! Most of it was translated to the L and RLA I believe. It is not perfect for everyone, in my experience, but it is very good for adventure. The RLA was well damped through the rocky sections in Kaokoland (or dare I say, boulder sections...  ;)) Very forgiving even in my tired state when hitting the rocks in the afternoon. The rear was just wallowy with all the luggage (had way too much...) I can probably give you better feedback on the shock after more 1-day trips, since I adjusted the shock just before the trip, so I have very little experience off road when lightly loaded.

And yes, the damping is better when the preload is dialed up. However, that is not by physically adjusting the damping, more the effect of the "stiffer" spring acting together with the standard damping. It takes out the wallow when riding without too much weight on the back. (mine was not even all the way down...)

It is actually amazing what some guys do to their 250Ls. They fiddle a bit with the fork and put a new shock in. Viola, they blast over whoops without the bike dancing everywhere. Basically all that separates those tuned 250Ls from a dirk bike is the L in the name and the 10 000 km service interval!  O0 Oh yes, and no power wheelies!  :lol8:

There are 2 weak points on the Rally.
1) The toolbox mounting tab on the sub-frame, little thin welded plate. After a few falls on the left the plate bent. After stripping everything to get a good look, I realized the helmet lock tab plate is 3 times thicker and welded better!  :bueller: So I am cooking up a mod for that.

2) Shock, looks nice with the red spring, and it does improve significantly with the increased pre-load. But come on, how expensive is damping adjustment??? Nearly every single mountain bike full suspension has this!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 17, 2017, 03:45:05 pm
I think what a lot of people struggle to understand with the little 250's is that they are just so damn easy to live with and cost to run compared to much bigger bikes is significantly less.

I do feel I am left a little wanting for some power to do power slides and wheelie over obstacles (and for fun of course). I found that I had to change my rising style to accommodate the lack of power. Having said this, I've just come off a 700 Transalp that I was commuting on and I can honestly say that I don't miss the Transalp one bit. The diversity of this little thing is more than the TA and this 250 is better placed for the trip to my dads place which is a lot of off-road (jeep track). The Rally would just be even better of course.

I was gonna suggest we do a trip but you're a bit far from me (or me far from you). Would have been a nice opportunity to start promoting these little bikes. I can feel another trip coming soon.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 18, 2017, 01:54:54 pm
Yup! Very easy to live with. That is part of the reason I went for the Rally.

That will be awesome, will remember when I am close that side or intending to do a biggish trip! :ricky:

Oh, about the "increased diameter is better". That was coming from a general mountain biking experience. I had a Fox fork with generally good internals, however I rode that thing so hard I could feel it flex in the corners. Even to a point where it was making it unsafe, since it messes with you controlling the bike. So in general if the internals are nearly the same a larger diameter will help with rigidity and hence handling.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:37:26 am
I went to the Honda dealership on Saturday to check the bike out for myself.
I am in love. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I think about the bike constantly.
I want need one  >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:40:18 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:42:32 am
Is it possible to fit a carrier rack to the bike without having to drill holes or alter/cut the fairings?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 07, 2017, 08:53:08 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:37:26 am
I went to the Honda dealership on Saturday to check the bike out for myself.
I am in love. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I think about the bike constantly.
I want need one  >:D
I rode the rallye at the Honda experience and although I'm the biggest Honda fan with a all Honda garage  I'm not sure I would be able to ride this bike daily even on weekends.

I have a crf 250x in the garage which I play with on weekends and after that the rallye is dissapointing. I base it on one and only one thing. .power.. it just doesn't have enough for my riding style.  The bike looks beautiful and built well.. it will serve a segment in the market very well.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/55508c61e4e51fb668cee2746d64ed82.jpg)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 09:16:01 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 07, 2017, 08:53:08 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:37:26 am
I went to the Honda dealership on Saturday to check the bike out for myself.
I am in love. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I think about the bike constantly.
I want need one  >:D
I rode the rallye at the Honda experience and although I'm the biggest Honda fan with a all Honda garage  I'm not sure I would be able to ride this bike daily even on weekends.

I have a crf 250x in the garage which I play with on weekends and after that the rallye is dissapointing. I base it on one and only one thing. .power.. it just doesn't have enough for my riding style.  The bike looks beautiful and built well.. it will serve a segment in the market very well.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/55508c61e4e51fb668cee2746d64ed82.jpg)

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Fuzzy, isn't the CRF 250X a two-stroke? I would imagine it pulls way better than a small 250 4-stroke.
I want to use the bike for commuting in the week (I stay approx 8km from work), and on weekends do short trips.
I also had a look at the Kawasaki Versys 300, but I like to Honda better.
I cant/don't ride fast or long distances, but it is a lot of cash to fork out, so I must be sure it's the right bike for me    :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 09:29:20 am
Allow me to add the XR 250 Baja to the mix, this will be my ideal small dual sport bike. The trusty and highly rated RFVC motor with kick and electric start with kickass Baja wannabee styling. Decent fuel range stock and the lights should be plenty. Very light too. I have looked far and wide but cant find one is SA  :'(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 09:31:58 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 09:16:01 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 07, 2017, 08:53:08 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:37:26 am
I went to the Honda dealership on Saturday to check the bike out for myself.
I am in love. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I think about the bike constantly.
I want need one  >:D
I rode the rallye at the Honda experience and although I'm the biggest Honda fan with a all Honda garage  I'm not sure I would be able to ride this bike daily even on weekends.

I have a crf 250x in the garage which I play with on weekends and after that the rallye is dissapointing. I base it on one and only one thing. .power.. it just doesn't have enough for my riding style.  The bike looks beautiful and built well.. it will serve a segment in the market very well.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/55508c61e4e51fb668cee2746d64ed82.jpg)

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Fuzzy, isn't the CRF 250X a two-stroke? I would imagine it pulls way better than a small 250 4-stroke.
I want to use the bike for commuting in the week (I stay approx 8km from work), and on weekends do short trips.
I also had a look at the Kawasaki Versys 300, but I like to Honda better.
I cant/don't ride fast or long distances, but it is a lot of cash to fork out, so I must be sure it's the right bike for me    :-\
No it's Honda's 4T enduro offering, smaller brother of the 450X. It's highly strung though and not a fair comparison to a DS bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 07, 2017, 09:43:42 am
I commute 75km / day on a Honda XR250 Tornado and it's perfect. Don't be too worried about it (CRF250 Rally) not being suitable as a commuter. It will be 100% fine. Only area where it's not great is the highway cruizing if you're gonna go far on the highway....and the price tag.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on November 07, 2017, 10:01:37 am
Quote from: blauth on November 07, 2017, 09:43:42 am
I commute 75km / day on a Honda XR250 Tornado and it's perfect. Don't be too worried about it (CRF250 Rally) not being suitable as a commuter. It will be 100% fine. Only area where it's not great is the highway cruizing if you're gonna go far on the highway....and the price tag.

What he said. Not a powerhouse (Honda does not market it that way anyway, however quite fun at 6000-8000RPM). Not for long distance high speed cruising, but who is buying this bike for that purpose anyway?

All the rest, very good!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 10:06:26 am
 :thumleft: :thumleft:  Thanks guys
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 07, 2017, 10:39:31 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 09:16:01 am
Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 07, 2017, 08:53:08 am
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:37:26 am
I went to the Honda dealership on Saturday to check the bike out for myself.
I am in love. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I think about the bike constantly.
I want need one  >:D
I rode the rallye at the Honda experience and although I'm the biggest Honda fan with a all Honda garage  I'm not sure I would be able to ride this bike daily even on weekends.

I have a crf 250x in the garage which I play with on weekends and after that the rallye is dissapointing. I base it on one and only one thing. .power.. it just doesn't have enough for my riding style.  The bike looks beautiful and built well.. it will serve a segment in the market very well.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/55508c61e4e51fb668cee2746d64ed82.jpg)

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Fuzzy, isn't the CRF 250X a two-stroke? I would imagine it pulls way better than a small 250 4-stroke.
I want to use the bike for commuting in the week (I stay approx 8km from work), and on weekends do short trips.
I also had a look at the Kawasaki Versys 300, but I like to Honda better.
I cant/don't ride fast or long distances, but it is a lot of cash to fork out, so I must be sure it's the right bike for me    :-\

No the 250x is a 4T but its really geared for racing so the power delivery is very different,.  This is why I said the bike is not for me, I have a Transalp 700 to commute with so I was riding the Rallye like I would when I hit the sand, dunes, and endure track.. make no mistake the bike will take you anywhere, I think it will be a brilliant bike for riding trails and single spoor, but it will be lacking in sand IMO.

When you say you need it as a commuter, what kind of commute? how far, what kind of road conditions on average? I think that 250 rallye will be an awesome commuter but don't discount the 190 that they have for R48k odd..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Operator on November 07, 2017, 10:49:14 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 09:29:20 am
I have looked far and wide but cant find one is SA  :'(

PM Kilroy.  He had one and might be willing to sell
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 06:25:15 pm
Quote from: Operator on November 07, 2017, 10:49:14 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 09:29:20 am
I have looked far and wide but cant find one is SA  :'(

PM Kilroy.  He had one and might be willing to sell
He has the MD22, looking for the 30  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 11, 2017, 02:18:42 pm
I had a look and sat on a Rally today. The seat height is ok, I'm around 176cm. While quite a bit lighter than most dual sport bikes it is quite a bit heavier than the 250's I had before. I'm also still not convinced that the lower plastics will hold up well to falls. The styling well I reckon it is a love it or hate it afair. Some angles it looks great others not so much. My wife reckons it's a dinky toy bike  :-\ Only if it sold in the lower to mid 60's price range I might have given one a go, seems to 2nd hand ones avaliable. I would also add to the budget a proper fatbar and handguards. At 80 - 85k there are still too many other bikes that offers better value imho.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: epic pornstar on November 13, 2017, 07:21:20 am
We just bought 2 of these bikes and rode the knarliest 4x4 trails in the graaf reinet mountains with all the other plastic bikes and they went everywhere the plastic bikes did.  Yes they are expensive but they are beautifully built and a dream to ride. These bikes will go places you wouldn't dream of taking other adventure bikes. And yes they crash pretty well plastics are tough and at least you can pick it up on your own without calling for a crane
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Koet on November 13, 2017, 08:45:08 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 07, 2017, 09:29:20 am
Allow me to add the XR 250 Baja to the mix, this will be my ideal small dual sport bike. The trusty and highly rated RFVC motor with kick and electric start with kickass Baja wannabee styling. Decent fuel range stock and the lights should be plenty. Very light too. I have looked far and wide but cant find one is SA  :'(

That Baja looks almost EXACTLY like my Suzuki 250CX Djebel:
(http://japan.webike.net/moto_news/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/L_djebel250xc_1996.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Stephenoraw on November 15, 2017, 05:29:41 pm
Quote from: Edgar on November 07, 2017, 08:42:32 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg3941998#msg3941998)>Is it possible to fit a carrier rack to the bike without having to drill holes or alter/cut the fairings?


Yes - Precision Motorcycle racks in the states make one - for the CRF 250L, but fits the rally perfectly and works like a bomb.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on November 16, 2017, 09:48:30 am
Honda Tygerberg also sells one, bolt on. R2500 when I bought one.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 16, 2017, 11:30:53 am
we stock a rack we designed ourselves, to have additional grab-handles, and the grab handles also prevent luggage from sagging if/when placed SIDEWAYS...


and we stock another rack too, see pics...



Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 16, 2017, 11:36:00 am
...and then some pics of an Indonesian couple, riding 2-up on a CRF 250 Rally (sponsored by KLIM and Honda, Touratech and Castrol); their bike has some nice trick parts on; crash-bars were made in Indonesia by his friend, more when they pop in again later today, before heading up West Coast of South Africa, on their way to.....JAPAN!


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 16, 2017, 12:42:19 pm
I do like a nice rack  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 01:24:46 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on November 16, 2017, 11:30:53 am
we stock a rack we designed ourselves, to have additional grab-handles, and the grab handles also prevent luggage from sagging if/when placed SIDEWAYS...


and we stock another rack too, see pics...



Chris & Team
Chris what does the bottom rack go for and does it fit the Rally ? It looks like a L in the pic ? Any side pics available ? Not that I have a L or Rally but maybe someday.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 17, 2017, 01:40:55 pm


Quote from: sidetrack on Today at 01:24:46 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg3949399#msg3949399)>"Chris what does the bottom rack go for and does it fit the Rally ? It looks like a L in the pic ? Any side pics available ? Not that I have a L or Rally but maybe someday."



>SIDE pics added, HalfDaft...
That rack consists of 3 parts, left pannier rack, right and top luggage rack...
Left and Right pannier racks ONLY are...R2900 for the set.
ADD R895 for the luggage rack.
NOTE: that GREY Luggage rack bolts then onto pannier racks, so it 'needs' the pannier racks (i.e. is not a stand-alone part), which is why we then developed a stand-alone rack, the ones in the other pictures.
That is INDEED a CRF 250L, we think/feel the pannier racks will fit the Rally, and we know the black luggage rack will fit...
The BLACK luggage rack is R1195 incl.
Hope that helps!
Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 01:44:21 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on November 17, 2017, 01:40:55 pm


Quote from: sidetrack on Today at 01:24:46 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg3949399#msg3949399)





>Chris: what does the bottom rack go for and does it fit the Rally ? It looks like a L in the pic ? Any side pics available ? Not that I have a L or Rally but maybe someday.
That rack consists of 3 parts, left pannier rack, right and top luggage rack...
Left and Right pannier racks ONLY are...R2900 for the set.
ADD R895 for the luggage rack.
NOTE: that GREY Luggage rack bolts then onto pannier racks, so it 'needs' the pannier racks (i.e. is not a stand-alone part), which is why we then developed a stand-alone rack, the ones in the other pictures.
That is INDEED a CRF 250L, we think/feel the pannier racks will fit the Rally, and we know the black luggage rack will fit...
The BLACK luggage rack is R1195 incl.
Hope that helps!
Chris & Team

Ok thanks, I have not read up to much on how the two models compare but I think the Rally's side panels stands out a bit further than the L thus bit wider at the back. I like the rack and also a good way to keep the plastics in good shape  :thumleft: Will certainly send a PM if my ship comes in  :P
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 03:26:04 pm
I see many Honda dealerships offering the Rally for around 75 - 77k now ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 04:08:36 pm
Looks like 2018 might come in silver, I prefer the red
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on November 17, 2017, 04:18:34 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 04:08:36 pm
Looks like 2018 might come in silver, I prefer the red
Except for the grey slab side, I like it better.  Can't wait for a white/red/blue version.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Operator on November 17, 2017, 04:44:44 pm
Quote from: katana on November 17, 2017, 04:18:34 pm
Can't wait for a white/red/blue version.

Like the Africa Twin?   That is the best colour scheme  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 17, 2017, 05:42:15 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 04:08:36 pm
Looks like 2018 might come in silver, I prefer the red

Same pasty engine?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Slaaiblaar on November 17, 2017, 10:34:18 pm
Quote from: Operator on November 17, 2017, 04:44:44 pm
Quote from: katana on November 17, 2017, 04:18:34 pm
Can't wait for a white/red/blue version.

Like the Africa Twin?   That is the best colour scheme  :thumleft:
No no no....Like the new BMW 850GS  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Bwana on November 18, 2017, 10:51:06 am
:
Quote from: sidetrack on November 16, 2017, 12:42:19 pm
I do like a nice rack  :biggrin:

I like a nice rack also :laughing4:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 18, 2017, 12:12:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 17, 2017, 05:42:15 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 17, 2017, 04:08:36 pm
Looks like 2018 might come in silver, I prefer the red

Same pasty engine?
Blauth you know the Japanese, only thing that will change on that bike is colours for the next 8 years or however long it sells for. I have heard stories of a 450 version but no news or info even at Eicma so not sure if it's coming at all or moved out for a year or two. Thing is the market for small dual sport bikes is almost zero and the Rally like it or not might be the only choice if you want something new.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Pistonpete on November 21, 2017, 11:11:33 am
I saw one at Cayenne this morning & gave it a quick squizz....looks well made, is very tall and looks the business. Now i understand  :biggrin:

btw MV Augusta make the most beautiful bikes ever!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: andrew5336 on December 01, 2017, 09:57:08 am
On the inter webs there's few threads of guys that have stripped off some of the crap from these bikes and fitted decent exhaust etc.

Tail tidy, remove plastic cowling on engine, new FMF exhaust, lighter riser bars will drop 7-10 kg I'd say?

Have a suspension guru stiffen up the fork, tons of replacement shock options, tubeless with decent tyres and hey - bike's looking pretty good and will have way more pep.

Definitely on my radar.

Just expensive when you see that you can buy a hardly used DRZ400SM or similar for half the price
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on December 07, 2017, 10:45:32 am
I don't think it is fair to complain about the bike's performance. Everyone knows its a 250, and you cannot compare it to a 650 or bigger bike. Being a dual sport, it's naturally going to be heavier than it's CRF sibling without all the extra's.
I also think it's a good thing to keep the same engine for as long as possible in the bike. It will make getting spare parts much easier.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: epic pornstar on December 13, 2017, 06:10:53 am
I have changed the pipe on mine to a Yoshi and I must say acceleration feels much quicker than my 660 ten but obviously doesn't have the top speed.  rally feels great off road front wheel has super light feel on gravel and sand so no tank slappers or butt clenching moments. Love this bike fully kitted for 10 days away in the northern Cape will let you guys know how it goes. Only carrying 5 extra litres of fuel so hope to make it though tankwa but I'm sure it's going to be a pleasure in the cedarburg sand.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on December 13, 2017, 08:00:08 am
Time to post a pic  ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on December 13, 2017, 08:02:41 am
Quote from: epic pornstar on December 13, 2017, 06:10:53 am
I have changed the pipe on mine to a Yoshi and I must say acceleration feels much quicker than my 660 ten but obviously doesn't have the top speed.  rally feels great off road front wheel has super light feel on gravel and sand so no tank slappers or butt clenching moments. Love this bike fully kitted for 10 days away in the northern Cape will let you guys know how it goes. Only carrying 5 extra litres of fuel so hope to make it though tankwa but I'm sure it's going to be a pleasure in the cedarburg sand.

What's your range on the standard tank?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on December 13, 2017, 08:09:09 am
Quote from: epic pornstar on December 13, 2017, 06:10:53 am
I have changed the pipe on mine to a Yoshi and I must say acceleration feels much quicker than my 660 ten but obviously doesn't have the top speed.  rally feels great off road front wheel has super light feel on gravel and sand so no tank slappers or butt clenching moments. Love this bike fully kitted for 10 days away in the northern Cape will let you guys know how it goes. Only carrying 5 extra litres of fuel so hope to make it though tankwa but I'm sure it's going to be a pleasure in the cedarburg sand.

Probably feels quicker because you're changing gears so often. Ratio's are short and having a six speed box with a low top end, there's lots of gear changing involved. I think you'll be surprised how much your Tenere give the little 250 a klap on acceleration if you actually have a dice. That's not to say the little Rally isn't a great bike though.

In these last two weeks, I've found there is a definite benefit  with low power in the rain on knobblies.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on March 17, 2018, 10:00:14 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.
I only saw now that you used my RR as reference for what can go wrong with the big bikes on rough stuff.  :imaposer:
Tell me about it. Plenty has gone wrong. Plenty of times...

Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...
You have one convert right here. Miraculous, but apparently possible. I have realised the error of my ways and bought myself a Rally just over a week ago.  :biggrin:
Full story here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222108.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222108.0)
I am so stoked! It's definitely a "ball of fun" bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 19, 2018, 06:18:10 pm
Quote from: Zanie on March 17, 2018, 10:00:14 pm
Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
This is one argument for these bikes: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209818.0;topicseen - there's something glorious about taking big bikes into terrain they aren't designed for, or which the bikes can only manage in the hands of very talented riders. But this isn't the first trip report I've read where there have been multiple large BMW's going home on a trailer after an offroad section on an otherwise routine trip.
I only saw now that you used my RR as reference for what can go wrong with the big bikes on rough stuff.  :imaposer:
Tell me about it. Plenty has gone wrong. Plenty of times...

Quote from: MaxThePanda on May 15, 2017, 07:01:38 am
But to get back to my original point, more than 50% of the BMW club would be a hell of a lot better off on the 250 Rally, and probably have a lot more fun in the process. Good luck to anyone trying to get that message across though...
You have one convert right here. Miraculous, but apparently possible. I have realised the error of my ways and bought myself a Rally just over a week ago.  :biggrin:
Full story here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222108.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222108.0)
I am so stoked! It's definitely a "ball of fun" bike.

Congrats Zanie, trust you will have many lekker adventures on your Rally.

I also have great memories of a DR200 that I used for a bit of trail riding. Miss that little bike a lot.
These bikes start making more sense to me as well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2018, 12:36:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 11, 2017, 02:18:42 pm
I had a look and sat on a Rally today. The seat height is ok, I'm around 176cm. While quite a bit lighter than most dual sport bikes it is quite a bit heavier than the 250's I had before. I'm also still not convinced that the lower plastics will hold up well to falls. The styling well I reckon it is a love it or hate it afair. Some angles it looks great others not so much. My wife reckons it's a dinky toy bike  :-\ Only if it sold in the lower to mid 60's price range I might have given one a go, seems to 2nd hand ones avaliable. I would also add to the budget a proper fatbar and handguards. At 80 - 85k there are still too many other bikes that offers better value imho.
So today I actually rode a Rally, good test ride that included bit of dirt road, traffic and highway about 40km in total. So where to start, the bike fits me well at 1.76m. Sitting or standing it fits me perfectly. You feel the weight when pushing the bike around riding it is ok not too bad. Very easy bike to ride. Gearbox is nice and smooth and all the controls are light. I was going into this ride with the knowledge it was a 250 only. I found it a bit slow to get up to speed which is weird as the older RVFC style XR 250's felt more snappy when pulling away. What surprised me is the fact that it could keep it's speed on the highway, once at 110 -120km/h it had no problem sitting there in top gear. It revs around 7000rpm which is high for a single but normal for a 250 at highway speeds. It felt quite comfortable at that speed with a vibration at 6800rpm but smooth again at 7000rpm and above (any other owners notice this ?). So I would say that water cooled motor seems to do better at higher speeds than the previous gen air cooled singles. Gearing could be different too and it may mean that the Rally might suffer slightly in very slow going 1st gear crawling stuff so one might need to gear it down however I could not test this on the ride. It's a nice package in stock form and I would only add proper hand guards, and maybe a fatbar. Depending on your luggage setup a rack maybe needed. Suspension was ok rather plush, progressive springs in the front would work great. I'm actually still in two minds about this bike, somethings I really like other things are ok. It did not wow me but I expected this and it's certainly a bike I would still consider. I reckon it might just grow on you as I enjoyed all my previous 250's immensely. I reckon as a commuter and for trips of around 2-3 days it will do really well. The price is still a sticky issue and a 450 motor in that chassis would be fantastic.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 29, 2018, 10:30:05 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on April 26, 2018, 12:36:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 11, 2017, 02:18:42 pm
I had a look and sat on a Rally today. The seat height is ok, I'm around 176cm. While quite a bit lighter than most dual sport bikes it is quite a bit heavier than the 250's I had before. I'm also still not convinced that the lower plastics will hold up well to falls. The styling well I reckon it is a love it or hate it afair. Some angles it looks great others not so much. My wife reckons it's a dinky toy bike  :-\ Only if it sold in the lower to mid 60's price range I might have given one a go, seems to 2nd hand ones avaliable. I would also add to the budget a proper fatbar and handguards. At 80 - 85k there are still too many other bikes that offers better value imho.
So today I actually rode a Rally, good test ride that included bit of dirt road, traffic and highway about 40km in total. So where to start, the bike fits me well at 1.76m. Sitting or standing it fits me perfectly. You feel the weight when pushing the bike around riding it is ok not too bad. Very easy bike to ride. Gearbox is nice and smooth and all the controls are light. I was going into this ride with the knowledge it was a 250 only. I found it a bit slow to get up to speed which is weird as the older RVFC style XR 250's felt more snappy when pulling away. What surprised me is the fact that it could keep it's speed on the highway, once at 110 -120km/h it had no problem sitting there in top gear. It revs around 7000rpm which is high for a single but normal for a 250 at highway speeds. It felt quite comfortable at that speed with a vibration at 6800rpm but smooth again at 7000rpm and above (any other owners notice this ?). So I would say that water cooled motor seems to do better at higher speeds than the previous gen air cooled singles. Gearing could be different too and it may mean that the Rally might suffer slightly in very slow going 1st gear crawling stuff so one might need to gear it down however I could not test this on the ride. It's a nice package in stock form and I would only add proper hand guards, and maybe a fatbar. Depending on your luggage setup a rack maybe needed. Suspension was ok rather plush, progressive springs in the front would work great. I'm actually still in two minds about this bike, somethings I really like other things are ok. It did not wow me but I expected this and it's certainly a bike I would still consider. I reckon it might just grow on you as I enjoyed all my previous 250's immensely. I reckon as a commuter and for trips of around 2-3 days it will do really well. The price is still a sticky issue and a 450 motor in that chassis would be fantastic.

Thanks for the feedback.

I waltzed into Honda Sandon on Thurday and chatted to the sales guy. One of the first who wasn't trying to sell ice to an Eskimo.

Anyway, I explained that I would be interested in a higher mileage demo or second hand if they got them in. He then proceeded to say "so what sorta money are we talking about, 60k?".  I had 65 in my head but he hit the nail on the head. Without realizing it, he shared what he thought the relative worth of the bike was. He did mention that he didn't think Honda had sold too many. I'd be very interested to know how many have been sold since their launch in 2017.

Using my 250 Tornado and loving it, I know I'd love the Rally more but this would stem from its utilitarian nature and not from any adrenalin highs.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 30, 2018, 03:17:35 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 29, 2018, 10:30:05 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on April 26, 2018, 12:36:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 11, 2017, 02:18:42 pm
I had a look and sat on a Rally today. The seat height is ok, I'm around 176cm. While quite a bit lighter than most dual sport bikes it is quite a bit heavier than the 250's I had before. I'm also still not convinced that the lower plastics will hold up well to falls. The styling well I reckon it is a love it or hate it afair. Some angles it looks great others not so much. My wife reckons it's a dinky toy bike  :-\ Only if it sold in the lower to mid 60's price range I might have given one a go, seems to 2nd hand ones avaliable. I would also add to the budget a proper fatbar and handguards. At 80 - 85k there are still too many other bikes that offers better value imho.
So today I actually rode a Rally, good test ride that included bit of dirt road, traffic and highway about 40km in total. So where to start, the bike fits me well at 1.76m. Sitting or standing it fits me perfectly. You feel the weight when pushing the bike around riding it is ok not too bad. Very easy bike to ride. Gearbox is nice and smooth and all the controls are light. I was going into this ride with the knowledge it was a 250 only. I found it a bit slow to get up to speed which is weird as the older RVFC style XR 250's felt more snappy when pulling away. What surprised me is the fact that it could keep it's speed on the highway, once at 110 -120km/h it had no problem sitting there in top gear. It revs around 7000rpm which is high for a single but normal for a 250 at highway speeds. It felt quite comfortable at that speed with a vibration at 6800rpm but smooth again at 7000rpm and above (any other owners notice this ?). So I would say that water cooled motor seems to do better at higher speeds than the previous gen air cooled singles. Gearing could be different too and it may mean that the Rally might suffer slightly in very slow going 1st gear crawling stuff so one might need to gear it down however I could not test this on the ride. It's a nice package in stock form and I would only add proper hand guards, and maybe a fatbar. Depending on your luggage setup a rack maybe needed. Suspension was ok rather plush, progressive springs in the front would work great. I'm actually still in two minds about this bike, somethings I really like other things are ok. It did not wow me but I expected this and it's certainly a bike I would still consider. I reckon it might just grow on you as I enjoyed all my previous 250's immensely. I reckon as a commuter and for trips of around 2-3 days it will do really well. The price is still a sticky issue and a 450 motor in that chassis would be fantastic.

Thanks for the feedback.

I waltzed into Honda Sandon on Thurday and chatted to the sales guy. One of the first who wasn't trying to sell ice to an Eskimo.

Anyway, I explained that I would be interested in a higher mileage demo or second hand if they got them in. He then proceeded to say "so what sorta money are we talking about, 60k?".  I had 65 in my head but he hit the nail on the head. Without realizing it, he shared what he thought the relative worth of the bike was. He did mention that he didn't think Honda had sold too many. I'd be very interested to know how many have been sold since their launch in 2017.

Using my 250 Tornado and loving it, I know I'd love the Rally more but this would stem from its utilitarian nature and not from any adrenalin highs.

I can recall that some Okes here on the forum were defending Honda big time wrt the introduction price of the Rally which I (and some other) regarded as too high. If you compare what you get in terms of technology and even material used vs the Versys 300 (yes I know it is not a ds/trail bike but just to make my point) where you have 2 cylinders, 2 throttle bodies to mention a few but at R15k higher price it is no wonder that Honda is not moving them fast. I would love a light ds (or is it dp - dual purpose) bike like the Rally but Honda even recently put the NC750 (Which I ride) on special for R89K which is almost the same. Still there are many wealthy people out there buying the Rally and like you say all one can hope is to get a clean second hand one in time for around the R60K mark. They are very reliable, I have seen a lot of high millage cbx twisters around (50k km and more) without issues. What I fail to understand is that the CBX Twister which I understand virtually use the same engine is much more responsive and deliver way better overal performance. So what has changed, is it chocked up due to Euro 4 regulations or what happened because even the 'L' never had the same performance than the CBX 250 Twister....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 30, 2018, 09:39:03 pm
The CBX twister is the old oil cooled engine and I'd guess the L has much the same power as the twister. My tornado also has the same motor as the twister. They not really faster. I dragged my Tornado against a twister and pulled him (not by much mind you) but only cos I have a pipe and have spent a lot of time getting mine to run right.

The CBR250 water cooled engine is akin to the Rally and the L. They have a cbr300 which fits straight into the Rally. Honda should have simply offered both engine derivatives just available to different markets.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2018, 07:46:39 pm
Bit of a conundrum, 250 or 300 single is never going to be strong and if you go small capacity twin cc they become revvy which is pointless in a DS bike. The answer is still a 450 / 500 single or modern 650 twin at least. I think one can be very happy with a 250 but you have to accept it for what it is. Spending money on big bore, pipes etc is a bit of a waste. I think that guy in the UK (Minkyhead) gained about 3 hp with all his mods.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 02, 2018, 10:08:47 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 01, 2018, 07:46:39 pm
Bit of a conundrum, 250 or 300 single is never going to be strong and if you go small capacity twin cc they become revvy which is pointless in a DS bike. The answer is still a 450 / 500 single or modern 650 twin at least. I think one can be very happy with a 250 but you have to accept it for what it is. Spending money on big bore, pipes etc is a bit of a waste. I think that guy in the UK (Minkyhead) gained about 3 hp with all his mods.

I was having that same thought process. An Athena 293cc big bore kit for my Tornado is $54. Cheap. Shipping is probably R1000.00 from Brazil. Thing is, I'm struggling to justify messing with a perfectly good engine.....for 3hp gain and a few more torques...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 03, 2018, 07:48:52 am
Still so much want...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 09:04:11 am
Hopefully getting my Rally today  :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 03, 2018, 09:12:14 am


Quote from: sidetrack on Today at 09:04:11 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4050232#msg4050232)
Hopefully getting my Rally today  :peepwall:
fantastic, enjoy!


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 03, 2018, 11:32:04 am


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 12:04:17 pm
The Rally has such shiny side panels that soft luggage will not be an option me thinks ? So I have heard of Happy Trails racks. Them together with Wolfman or the like might be a very nice setup ? What do you guys run ? Dreaming for when I can afford.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 03, 2018, 12:25:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 09:04:11 am
Hopefully getting my Rally today  :peepwall:

Congrats! New?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 03, 2018, 01:03:45 pm
as a starting point, we have THREE solutions for carrying luggage on the Rally:


1. CRF 250 Rally luggage rack, with built-in grab handles...


2. the Honda CRF 250 L rack/pannier rack combo that we THINK will bolt up to the Rally...


3. And we have an order in with Rockfox for 2 x sets of CRF 250 RALLY pannier racks... pics to follow...


More later, shout if you have questions.
Chris & team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 01:51:03 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on May 03, 2018, 12:25:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 09:04:11 am
Hopefully getting my Rally today  :peepwall:

Congrats! New?
Demo 750 km
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 03, 2018, 02:04:35 pm
here then is the Rockfox pannier racks, shown with the attached fuel-mounting plate on the NON-exhaust side; the plate takes a bolt, which attaches the Pioneer Plastics 5L fuel cell (or 5L water cell) securely to the rack..


Cheers, Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 02:39:37 pm
Looks great Chris, on my wish list  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 03, 2018, 04:26:59 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 12:04:17 pm
The Rally has such shiny side panels that soft luggage will not be an option me thinks ? So I have heard of Happy Trails racks. Them together with Wolfman or the like might be a very nice setup ? What do you guys run ? Dreaming for when I can afford.
My view - screw the side panels and screw big luggage - that is not the point of this bike.  I run giant loop mojave on the side panels (because it is tight and compact) and a small cheap repurposed backpack on the small rack that Chris sells. With a range of 250-300km I don't see the need for much more fuel and the added weight that comes with it.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 03, 2018, 04:50:22 pm
Yup, agree.

If I were to do upgrades, it would be in this order:
- Fat bars and Cycra hand guards.
- There is an oke overseas who builds a carbon fibre skid plate that bolts underneath the existing plastic plate. This sounds like a nice neat option.
- Pipe. Just to liven the mid range up a little. Doesn't look like it gets much more poke with a pipe though.
- I'd need to ride it a bit to determine what love the suspension needed. My fat ass would probably overcome the rear shock.
- Then just a Giant loop or similar.

Good to see some okes getting these bikes now. The market is starting to work as it should and driving the prices down to where they should be. Sorry for the lads who bought at 85k though. You'll just have to make the value up in usage.    :thumleft:

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 03, 2018, 05:22:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 03, 2018, 04:50:22 pm
Good to see some okes getting these bikes now. The market is starting to work as it should and driving the prices down to where they should be. Sorry for the lads who bought at 85k though. You'll just have to make the value up in usage.    :thumleft:

What are they going for now?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 05:23:27 pm
I wanted to remove the side plastic panels as Minkyhead did as I reckon they would damage easily but now having seen them in the flesh you would need to cut them in half to achieve that so not an option. The carbon skid plate sounds like an idea. Will tinker tonight and see how everything comes together on the bike. This guy rambles a lot but he does make some points on spending big bucks on new Honda plastics.

https://youtu.be/FU4DoOydn4o
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 05:24:19 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on May 03, 2018, 05:22:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 03, 2018, 04:50:22 pm
Good to see some okes getting these bikes now. The market is starting to work as it should and driving the prices down to where they should be. Sorry for the lads who bought at 85k though. You'll just have to make the value up in usage.    :thumleft:

What are they going for now?
Word is new deal will be 77k brand new, demos can be had for about 65 - 69k.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 05:26:24 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 03, 2018, 04:50:22 pm
Yup, agree.

If I were to do upgrades, it would be in this order:
- Fat bars and Cycra hand guards.
- There is an oke overseas who builds a carbon fibre skid plate that bolts underneath the existing plastic plate. This sounds like a nice neat option.
- Pipe. Just to liven the mid range up a little. Doesn't look like it gets much more poke with a pipe though.
- I'd need to ride it a bit to determine what love the suspension needed. My fat ass would probably overcome the rear shock.
- Then just a Giant loop or similar.

Good to see some okes getting these bikes now. The market is starting to work as it should and driving the prices down to where they should be. Sorry for the lads who bought at 85k though. You'll just have to make the value up in usage.    :thumleft:
For sure
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 08:53:09 pm
Looks good in this light  8) I see the bike uses a paper filter, what has the consensus been - good enough for dust ? Do you clean it or just buy a new filter from Honda ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 03, 2018, 09:52:41 pm
Just remove and clean

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 07:55:05 am
dont want to clog this thread up....but here goes!  ;)


Rockfox also do a low crash bar solution, posting it here, since it will shortly become available....


Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 04, 2018, 08:13:39 am
Sidetrack, you are killing me here with those pics....

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on May 04, 2018, 08:14:57 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 03, 2018, 05:24:19 pm
Word is new deal will be 77k brand new, demos can be had for about 65 - 69k.

Now it's starting to make a little more sense  :thumleft:

Congrats on the bike!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 04, 2018, 08:17:58 am
Quote from: teebag on May 03, 2018, 09:52:41 pm
Just remove and clean

Of course it gets replaced @ service time.

You may also want to remove the stainless steel backfire screen from the stock filter to allow better airflow but that is your choice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 04, 2018, 10:28:42 am
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 07:55:05 am
dont want to clog this thread up....but here goes!  ;)


Rockfox also do a low crash bar solution, posting it here, since it will shortly become available....


Chris & Team

These lower crash bars are neat. How much are they Chris?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 04, 2018, 11:23:52 am
Quote from: blauth on May 04, 2018, 10:28:42 am
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 07:55:05 am
dont want to clog this thread up....but here goes!  ;)


Rockfox also do a low crash bar solution, posting it here, since it will shortly become available....


Chris & Team

These lower crash bars are neat. How much are they Chris?
Bet will be cheaper than Honda panels !
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 04, 2018, 11:42:32 am
And they are low so the weight won't be felt much. Also add protection to a degree for the gear and rear brake pedal.

I decided to go ahead with my procurement. Maybe even get it tomorrow if they can pull their fingers out of their asses.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 11:43:04 am


R1900 incl for the lower crash-bars, and R2150 for the rear pannier racks.(we are awaiting product, it is being manufactured as we speak - rear luggage racks and other items are in stock, just awaiting pannier racks and LOWER crashbars...)CheersChris & Teamwww.flyingbrick.co.za (http://www.flyingbrick.co.za/)021 510 6455
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 04, 2018, 12:41:30 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 04, 2018, 11:42:32 am
And they are low so the weight won't be felt much. Also add protection to a degree for the gear and rear brake pedal.

I decided to go ahead with my procurement. Maybe even get it tomorrow if they can pull their fingers out of their asses.
Great Rally owners are growing
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 04, 2018, 12:41:46 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 11:43:04 am


R1900 incl for the lower crash-bars, and R2150 for the rear pannier racks.(we are awaiting product, it is being manufactured as we speak - rear luggage racks and other items are in stock, just awaiting pannier racks and LOWER crashbars...)CheersChris & Teamwww.flyingbrick.co.za (http://www.flyingbrick.co.za/)021 510 6455
Good price
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 04, 2018, 12:43:13 pm
Looking at a ride tomorrow to test it in the dirt lets see where we end up. Honda gave me a full tank  :biggrin:
Rode home in the dark yesterday, like the white light the LED gives.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 04, 2018, 07:47:51 pm
Lights are very good
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 04, 2018, 08:28:41 pm
Found some HRC stickers that comes with bike in the owners manual. Stuck them on the scoot although this bike is 12 Dakar stages away from a rally bike  :biggrin: Been short shifting it in town to around 5000rpm and it was ok then today giving some stick to 6-7000rpm and must say its really fun more than enough oomph for commuting ! Finished a bottle of Merlot so off to bed, looking forward to a ride tomorrow.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 05, 2018, 05:49:25 pm
Maybe I should actually ready mine and see what if I can find some too
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 05, 2018, 06:30:49 pm
No luck ,  but I did learn how to set the clock
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 06:36:11 pm
Picked up my scoot today. Got a pretty good deal. 65k.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 05, 2018, 06:39:49 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 05, 2018, 06:36:11 pm
Picked up my scoot today. Got a pretty good deal. 65k.

Lekker man! On the road price? Demo as well?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 05, 2018, 06:40:48 pm

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 06:42:38 pm
First order of business. Set the preload on rear shock to the max. Removing the shock to do so is easy enough. Top nut is a little tricky but doable. Also there was no grease on the suspension bolts. Not required for lubrication but it does assist with corrosion.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 06:44:51 pm
Excluding on the road which was 2.5k which includes roadworthy and licensing.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grappa on May 05, 2018, 07:14:12 pm
Damn good deal blauth. At one stage they were retailing in the region of R84k
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 07:23:28 pm
I didn't buy it new so checking tools to see if spanners needed for removal of wheels revealed that a 19mm was not in the kit (in case the rear axles turns) but Kawasaki came to the rescue.

I must say. Honda engineers have been paying attention to the ease of maintenance. Only two allen keys needed for seat and panel removal. Was pretty simple to get the panels and seat off. Nice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 07:26:49 pm
Old and new making friends.... :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 05, 2018, 07:32:49 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 07:55:05 am
dont want to clog this thread up....but here goes!  ;)


Rockfox also do a low crash bar solution, posting it here, since it will shortly become available....


Chris & Team

Chris, let me know when you get these in please. I'll definitely take one.

Thanks
Barry
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 05, 2018, 08:27:56 pm
Let me join in. Went for a ride today did not do any suspension settings. The front fork is actually very good, did some varying terrain and it coped really well. The back shock not as good and I will follow Bauth's route and make the spring firmer. The stock suspension on this bike is much better than the Tenere I had, Tenere improves a lot with a set of progressive springs but the Rally still feels like it has more travel. Stock gearing is good enough as the bike can still sit at an easy 100 - 110km/h. Did not do anything to hectic but the gearbox could easily handle it all. I wont say the Rally is revelation offroad but certainly capable. I would say on par with the lighter 650's like the DR and so on. It is still a fair bit heavier than most 250's. I struggled a bit in sand and not sure if it's due to the IRC tires or the fact that the rear is so damn think like a marie biscuit. Pressure was 1.5 bar. As the ride went on I became for comfortable on the bike and the lower seat height is quite nice for off roading. ABS kicked in once not sure what to make of it yet, good or bad we will see. I see in the States most Rally models are non ABS and if it makes the bike cheaper I would be quite happy to take it like that. Now on 220km on the trip meter and two bars left on the fuel gauge.

Some pics
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 06, 2018, 06:59:01 am
Can't wait to take mine for a ride and see what it's like. Must cycle first this morning.....I'm getting fat and lazy.  :(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: dirtyXT on May 07, 2018, 08:06:45 am
did i see you on the N1 this morning Blauth? i was following the cop on the bike clearing the way for me.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 07, 2018, 08:41:48 am
Quote from: dirtyXT on May 07, 2018, 08:06:45 am
did i see you on the N1 this morning Blauth? i was following the cop on the bike clearing the way for me.

Nope, not me. I don't commute on the highway.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: IDR on May 07, 2018, 10:36:59 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 05, 2018, 08:27:56 pm
Let me join in. Went for a ride today did not do any suspension settings. The front fork is actually very good, did some varying terrain and it coped really well. The back shock not as good and I will follow Bauth's route and make the spring firmer. The stock suspension on this bike is much better than the Tenere I had, Tenere improves a lot with a set of progressive springs but the Rally still feels like it has more travel. Stock gearing is good enough as the bike can still sit at an easy 100 - 110km/h. Did not do anything to hectic but the gearbox could easily handle it all. I wont say the Rally is revelation offroad but certainly capable. I would say on par with the lighter 650's like the DR and so on. It is still a fair bit heavier than most 250's. I struggled a bit in sand and not sure if it's due to the IRC tires or the fact that the rear is so damn think like a marie biscuit. Pressure was 1.5 bar. As the ride went on I became for comfortable on the bike and the lower seat height is quite nice for off roading. ABS kicked in once not sure what to make of it yet, good or bad we will see. I see in the States most Rally models are non ABS and if it makes the bike cheaper I would be quite happy to take it like that. Now on 220km on the trip meter and two bars left on the fuel gauge.

Some pics

Do you think you could fit a 130 on the back there?

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 07, 2018, 11:38:00 am
It depends on the profile of the tyre, the more aggressive the tread pattern the less likely it will work.

I ended up with a 120 D606 as the 130 would have hit the tool box under suspension compression. A more road biased tyre would fit in a 130.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 07, 2018, 11:43:37 am
So, after my ride to work this morning (which includes two short stretches of dirt), I've formed a preliminary opinion of the Rally. I'm contextualizing a little in my head with how it compares to my existing Tornado.

Quality: It's pretty good in some areas and not so great in others. I find the switches feel cheap. Handlebars are obviously out of the budget parts bin. Indicators and lights are very nice quality. I love the fact that the indicators stay illuminated when riding. It's assists with safety in a big way. I'll get to the rear shock below (it's not good). Panels seem ok but will need some protection because their shiny good looks are going to dull up pretty quick on an adventure ride.

Ergonomics: I'm 1.83m tall. I find the seat to peg ratio cramped compared to the Tornado. Not uncomfortable but a little more cramped than I would like. I would have preferred lower pegs but to be fair, I feel like this on almost every bike I own. I tilted my handlebars forward by about 50mm (as far as they will go without causing an issue with the windscreen on full lock). It feels comfortable when seated but still a bit cramped when standing. I'll sort this out with aftermarket bars and risers. For my height, the windscreen is great. I didn't experience any buffeting which used to be an issue on the Tenere. I know Zanie is uncomfortable at speed, most likely because she's just a little shorter and the wind doesn't catch her entire head. The foot pegs are a nice size, similar to a dirt bikes size footpeg. I took the strap off the seat. My seating position has me sitting on the strap which is just irritating. I like the seat ergonomics. Nice and narrow where it needs to be an wide enough where you sit. Generally speaking, the ergo's are pretty good, probably ideal for someone who is between 1.6 and 1.74m tall.

Ride feel: The bike is very well balanced and is super easy to ride. Of course I can feel a massive difference in nimbleness between this and my little Tornado. The Tornado feels more like a dirt bike and the extra weight is felt significantly on this bike. Surprisingly, the extra weight doesn't translate into added stability but I think that's because of the crap rear suspension to be honest. The brakes are superb!! I tested the ABS in my garden. They work well and being able to turn it off with a button is fantastic. No complicated menu's and nonsense. Again, well done Honda. Speaking of balance, I tested some walking pace 180 degree standup turns which is quite a good indicator on a bikes ergo's and balance and this bike passed with flying colours. This explains the good handling offroad. The front suspension is rigid enough yet super plush. Surprisingly, it also doesn't dive too much on the road which is well done to Honda. Now this brings me to the rear shock. Honda, seriously, what were you thinking.  :eek7:   It's as bad as the X-Challenge air shock. Undersprung (which can be forgiven) but the damping is almost non existent. Don't lean forward (or even stay nuetral) going over speed humps, the back end comes up and kicks you in the arse. This shock is the single worst thing on this bike. Puts a real damper on the package (excuse the pun). Overall however, I'd say the suspension package on the Tornado is better.

Engine:
Surprisingly, it's quite a bit more vibey than my 250 Tornado. I have a pipe on my Tornado so the torque on the Tornado is good in the mid range and maybe a little less so on the top end of the rev range. The Rally isn't strong in the mid range and only starts making good power from about 6500rpm. Having said this, the Rally does have more power than the Tornado and as SideTrack mentioned before, maintains 110km/h + surprisingly well. It's also more consistent power than the Tornado which due to the carburetor and lack of water cooling, performs differently depending on the weather.

Ease of maintenance:
Honda's I've worked on in the past have been a pain in the ass. Completely unlike KTM's which dismantle with two spanners and five bolts. Here, I'm pleasantly surprised with the Rally. The seat and side panels come off with just two allan key sizes and only about four or five bolts. Very nice and simple. If I remember back to my Transalps, they were terrible. The early 650 Africa Twin was great too, indicative of the simplicity of the era. It looks like Honda are trying to move towards their roots again and that's a good thing. When I took the rear shock out to increase pre-load, the top bolt's nut is a bit difficult to but doable.

I'll post a comprehensive report as I own it longer and have done some offroad riding.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Captain Zef on May 07, 2018, 12:19:04 pm
Bliksems nice
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
They build a bike with such a nice dash, Fi, LED headlight and ABS then throws that horrible cheapy shock on there. There must be a maximum of 20-30mm adjustment on it only  :(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 07, 2018, 03:16:52 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
They build a bike with such a nice dash, Fi, LED headlight and ABS then throws that horrible cheapy shock on there. There must be a maximum of 20-30mm adjustment on it only  :(

That adjustment does make quite a difference though but the damping is so abysmally poor that I'm not sure it's better with less pre-load. Now it pops up like nobody's business. Either way, if you hit the wrong obstacle unexpected, it could be dangerous so I'm going to look into an affordable solution as a matter of priority. I'll measure the length and width of the Tornado suspension tonight. That's quite nice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 03:28:44 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 07, 2018, 03:16:52 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
They build a bike with such a nice dash, Fi, LED headlight and ABS then throws that horrible cheapy shock on there. There must be a maximum of 20-30mm adjustment on it only  :(

That adjustment does make quite a difference though but the damping is so abysmally poor that I'm not sure it's better with less pre-load. Now it pops up like nobody's business. Either way, if you hit the wrong obstacle unexpected, it could be dangerous so I'm going to look into an affordable solution as a matter of priority. I'll measure the length and width of the Tornado suspension tonight. That's quite nice.
Ohlins makes a shock for the Rally if money was not a problem  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 07, 2018, 03:32:54 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 03:28:44 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 07, 2018, 03:16:52 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
They build a bike with such a nice dash, Fi, LED headlight and ABS then throws that horrible cheapy shock on there. There must be a maximum of 20-30mm adjustment on it only  :(

That adjustment does make quite a difference though but the damping is so abysmally poor that I'm not sure it's better with less pre-load. Now it pops up like nobody's business. Either way, if you hit the wrong obstacle unexpected, it could be dangerous so I'm going to look into an affordable solution as a matter of priority. I'll measure the length and width of the Tornado suspension tonight. That's quite nice.
Ohlins makes a shock for the Rally if money was not a problem  :biggrin:

Riiiiight. I'm not Rockefeller. Maybe this local guy, Martin Petz....something or another can build a shock for a reasonable price or modify the existing one. I don't even know if the OEM one can be stripped. It's also really tight in there so I don't think any old shock will do the trick. I know YSS also has a shock available. Don't know if it's any good though.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 07, 2018, 07:05:16 pm
Contact Hayward suspension - they are near Hartebeestpoort dam (Lanseria road) That guy is 'the' suspension guru in SA.
I am not at all happy with the NC750X suspension - way too soft and not adjustable but cheap suspensions does not help to adjust all that much like you have discovered. Hayward sells progressive front and rear for the NC750X at R4700. Not all that cheap but it transforms the bike and worth the upgrade especially if one do ride gravel often.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on May 07, 2018, 07:59:27 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 07, 2018, 11:43:37 am
I'm 1.83m tall...For my height, the windscreen is great. I didn't experience any buffeting which used to be an issue on the Tenere. I know Zanie is uncomfortable at speed, most likely because she's just a little shorter and the wind doesn't catch her entire head.

Exactly that. I have a short body, but long legs - therefore I can easily ride the Rally even at my 1.64m height. My 650GS does not have a screen and I do not experience any buffeting issues there, probably because the wind hits my chest. On the Rally it appears to hit right at the point of my helmet peak.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 09:13:20 pm
Sitting on 250km now with one bar left, will it start to flash or is one bar reserve ? Seems 30km/l will be achieved with first tank of fuel.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 07, 2018, 11:33:40 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on May 07, 2018, 07:05:16 pm
Contact Hayward suspension - they are near Hartebeestpoort dam (Lanseria road) That guy is 'the' suspension guru in SA.
I am not at all happy with the NC750X suspension - way too soft and not adjustable but cheap suspensions does not help to adjust all that much like you have discovered. Hayward sells progressive front and rear for the NC750X at R4700. Not all that cheap but it transforms the bike and worth the upgrade especially if one do ride gravel often.

I'll call him tomorrow. Unless he builds shocks, I'm not convinced he'll be able to help. It's not just the spring rate but the shock damping is also non existent.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 08, 2018, 04:56:13 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 04, 2018, 07:55:05 am
dont want to clog this thread up....but here goes!  ;)


Rockfox also do a low crash bar solution, posting it here, since it will shortly become available....


Chris & Team

Chris, when do you expect to get these in stock? I'll take a set of the lower crash bars.

PM me.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 08, 2018, 08:57:25 pm
Meeting with manufacturer tomorrow at 1pm, will know delivery date then (on back-order)
Cheers
Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 09, 2018, 07:59:11 am
Managed to adjust my rear shock on the bike, not too difficult. After hearing of Blauth and owners on ADVrider saying that increasing adjustment to maximum setting makes the kickback quite harsh I decided to leave it about 3/4 adjusted. Now at least not as soft as before.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 11, 2018, 08:53:59 am
For those of you looking:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=224155.0

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 11, 2018, 11:58:31 am
 :-\ wow
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on May 11, 2018, 01:14:03 pm
blauth: Have you tried the bike on some rougher roads (I'm not talking about highway gravel here) or just commuting?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 11, 2018, 03:10:19 pm
Quote from: Zanie on May 11, 2018, 01:14:03 pm
blauth: Have you tried the bike on some rougher roads (I'm not talking about highway gravel here) or just commuting?

Hi Zania,

Not really. I have a few short dirt stretches on the way to work and many speed humps. In principle, the bike is a good bike but for me to really be happy with it, I need to spend at least 10k on the suspension. I then need to put a pipe on to smooth out the gutlessness below 6500rpm so that's another 5k odd. Then I can start putting the nice to have's on like bars, hand guards etc. So I'm thinking to myself, that's another 20k that I personally need to dump into this before I think I'll be chuffed. I'm not convinced I want to do that.

And then there is the other side of the coin; I rode my old stoep kakker (the 250 Tornado) to work this morning and had more fun on it than I've had the last four days of riding the Rally. That's just not right.

I doubt it will go in the next two weeks anyway and I have a trip planned to Dullstroom (a solid test since the route is mostly like your ride report that you did a few days ago) in a week so I can always retract the sale if I change my mind after that trip.

Before I bought the Rally, my original plan was to keep the Tornado for commuting and then buy a second play bike. When I saw the Rally for 65k, I jumped the gun and did a knee jerk purchase and in retrospect, I think I made a mistake.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on May 11, 2018, 04:00:41 pm
Totally understandable. For me, it was a massive upgrade from my 650GS, but you already have the Tornado, which seems to live in that same functionality zone.

I also plan to do no modifications to my Rally (so no extra cost), aside from potentially increasing screen height - only because I've had to see the physio twice now due to neck strains from wind buffeting.

It would be interesting to hear your feedback if you do take the Rally to Dullstroom.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 11, 2018, 09:41:20 pm
It looks sooooo damn good, maybe I should give this Rally a bit more of a chance.

I'm gonna swap out the rear shock from the Tornado tomorrow. It's 10mm shorter than the Rally but it should give me a feel of the bike with a shock that actually damps. Will also see if the FMF fits too.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 11, 2018, 09:57:42 pm
Fingers crossed
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: superfoxi on May 12, 2018, 09:34:04 am
I´m busy with a suspension upgrade on a brand new 250L. The owner is tall and heavy (110kg) and obviously complains about the excessive suspension sag. I installed a additional spring and spacers into the (normally spring-less) left fork leg to raise the overall spring rate. The fork cartridge can be taken apart and re-valved. But I want to test the result of the spring conversion first without changing the damping.
I also put a heavier spring onto the rear shock. Let´s see how that works. The rear shock can also be taken apart (and re-valved) but a nitrogen filler valve has to be installed to pressurize it again - but that´s not a big problem.
Let´s see how things go...

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 12, 2018, 03:24:55 pm
Rode mine through part of Baviaans and the bike made it look very easy. Did Smitskraal twice just for fun. Nice and stable on the rocky sections bit like my TE610 used to be. Stock everything no problems at all. Yes rear is soft hopefully Superfoxi comes up with a solution.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 12, 2018, 03:26:18 pm
Howzit everyone.

I wanted to give you guys some feedback on my experiments on my Rally. I pulled the shock from my Tornado this morning. The spring rate is probably 20% stiffer and damping is probably 40-50% more than the Rally's rear shock. It appears to be visually similar on the outside but they behave completely differently. The Tornado shock is about 15mm shorter than the Rally shock.

I turned the preload on the Tornado shock to max. It fit perfectly except it's a bit lower at the back now and probably has slightly less suspension travel because the shock stroke is a tad shorter. To compensate for the lower rear, I dropped the forks through the triple clamps by 17mm. It's a little more raked out but only marginally.

Also installed bar risers, raising the bars by 18mm.

I was feeling cramped on the bike when standing, even with the bars as far forward as I could get them so using fuel hose and long M5 bolts, I tilted the windscreen more vertical. This allowed me to move the bars a fraction more forward and it looks more like the Rally bike now which has a pretty verticle screen.

This really was a keep/no keep test so I took it out over some gnarly koppies in Mnandi area, down some seriously corrugated dirt and naturally down the tar at speed because I was a little worried about the windscreen angle change messing with the wind flow.

Result:
It's not even vaguely the same bike to ride. That rear shock allows me to wheelie over humps now and doesn't just bog and make the bike unstable. The marshmallow feel is completely gone. The back feels planted now too, even managed a power slide or two  :ricky:  The front feels a little skittish and does deflect off smaller rocks so I could set the rear pre-load down a fraction but only a tiny bit. Personally, I like it like it is. Having said this, I took it up the most unpleasantly rocky hill I know in the area so it actually performed admirably. That particular hill is even unpleasant on my mountain bike.  :o

I actually like the front. If you slam into a gully in a decline, it will bottom out but for ordinary adventure riding, it's ok.

One obvious advantage for short people is the lower seat height. This was very noticeable and made for an extremely manageable package in tricky terrain. In fact, I'd actually recommend a slightly shorter shock (like the Tornado shock) for short people. Ground clearance is still 250mm+ and with less sag, it's less of a problem.

The windscreen worked perfectly and looks a damn side more Rally like in my opinion so I'm happy with that change. Also no handlebars fighting with it and there's lots of space for charging sockets and whatnot. The new bar position has made the cockpit more roomy so I also felt a hell of a lot more comfy.

So, I ask with tears in my eyes, why can Honda manage to build a proper shock for the Tornado some 20 years back and make such a fuckup of this bikes shock. It literally spoils an otherwise great package.

The engine is still gutless low down but I put the snorkel back in which improved it just a tad.

After the experiments, I've decided to persevere with this bike. I'm sure once all the bits are done, I'll love it like everyone else loves theirs.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 12, 2018, 03:48:42 pm
yay!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 12, 2018, 03:52:49 pm
I like the XR too Jacque. You okes having a joll? Ride safe.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 12, 2018, 03:55:25 pm
Here are a few pics from this mornings test.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 12, 2018, 03:58:20 pm
And a few more.

The last one was a photo opportunity because the Helicopter was at the scene of a massive accident.  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 12, 2018, 05:04:30 pm
Superfoxi let us know how it works out, and you may have a queue
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grappa on May 12, 2018, 07:09:46 pm
Superfoxi I'm following with interest. The dilemma with the suspension issues are well documented, and I refer to the following groups on FB:

Honda CRF250L & Rally owners
CRF250L Owners club
CRF250L Mods Liberate your LRP

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 13, 2018, 07:33:09 am
Mike, I have my Rally shock out now. Perhaps I should send it down to you for some love.

Are heavier springs available, this is really what it needs. Perhaps a collar could be turned to preload the spring even more but I'm not sure that's the best solution. Also, I'm guessing the damping needs to be increased by at least 30 - 40%.

Did you get rider feedback from the shock you worked on Mike?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: superfoxi on May 13, 2018, 06:52:43 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 13, 2018, 07:33:09 am
Mike, I have my Rally shock out now. Perhaps I should send it down to you for some love.

Are heavier springs available, this is really what it needs. Perhaps a collar could be turned to preload the spring even more but I'm not sure that's the best solution. Also, I'm guessing the damping needs to be increased by at least 30 - 40%.

Did you get rider feedback from the shock you worked on Mike?

The bike is back on its wheels but I was away on the weekend and didn’t have a chance to ride it.
But I can already tell that the spring replacement front and back made a big difference. Static sag and rider sag are now within spec and bike stands much taller because of that. The bike I’m working on is brand new and the customer doesn’t want me to open the shock (warrantiy issues). But it would be a good idea to re-valve it as it needs much more rebound damping.
Send me your shock and I will see what can be done.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 13, 2018, 07:00:31 pm
The rally rear shock looks cheaply made, will be interesting to see if anything can be done with it.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 13, 2018, 09:16:14 pm
Blauth I can confirm 112/113 km/h at 7000rpm. Mine has a vibration that starts just before 7000 then goes away somewhat just over 7000. Other riders experience the same ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 14, 2018, 08:48:03 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 13, 2018, 09:16:14 pm
Blauth I can confirm 112/113 km/h at 7000rpm. Mine has a vibration that starts just before 7000 then goes away somewhat just over 7000. Other riders experience the same ?

Jacque, lets hook up during the week some time so you can take my Rally for a ride with the Tornado shock in it. You'll be gobsmacked at the difference.

Let me know, you have my cell.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Xpat on May 14, 2018, 12:30:33 pm
Anybody wants a free crashbar or pannier racks for their Rally? Surprised nobody jumped at this yet (the heading is not very clear though)

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=224236.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=224236.0)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2018, 02:14:54 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 14, 2018, 08:48:03 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 13, 2018, 09:16:14 pm
Blauth I can confirm 112/113 km/h at 7000rpm. Mine has a vibration that starts just before 7000 then goes away somewhat just over 7000. Other riders experience the same ?

Jacque, lets hook up during the week some time so you can take my Rally for a ride with the Tornado shock in it. You'll be gobsmacked at the difference.

Let me know, you have my cell.
Can only imagine, was surprised how stable it was in the rocks. Really tracked nice and straight. Can only imagine with better shock at the back. What I also picked up was that the bike had no tendency to get rim impacts on the rocks. I ran 1.5 bar as per specs and between the plush front shocks and fairly light weight of the bike it just gave a smooth ride. Given I did not ride it very fast.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2018, 07:48:37 pm
Ag please mister Honda if you are reading this bring us the 450 Rally. I rode about 40km back home last night on the freeway and this is where the 250 has its biggest drawback. Although it goes much better than most 250's on the open section it develops a very noticable vibration at 7000rpm and above that most people will just have too much mechanical sympathy to push it harder. So you are basicly stuck at 100 - 110km/h which is more like 90 - 100 GPS speed.

Take the 250 drop in a 450 motor with longer service intervals that makes about 45-50hp, put an adjustable shock on the back, install springs in both fork legs not just one and increase the fuel tank to 12L to ensure range stays at 350km. The rest can stay excactly like it is. It will be so darn close to the ultimate offroad based dual sport bike and will surely sell by the truck loads.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 14, 2018, 08:30:46 pm
Hmmm, mine sits happily at 115 gps hour after hour if required, only at about 125 do I start to feel a little sorry for it - and I am running a 13 on the front, so my top end should be down a little over stock.

But I wouldn't say no to a 450.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2018, 08:32:23 pm
Quote from: teebag on May 14, 2018, 08:30:46 pm
Hmmm, mine sits happily at 115 gps hour after hour if required, only at about 125 do I start to feel a little sorry for it - and I am running a 13 on the front, so my top end should be down a little over stock.

But I wouldn't say no to a 450.
No noticable vibes at 7000rpm ? Maybe I should just keep it there and it will dissapear when broken in  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 14, 2018, 08:36:27 pm
Today - so I may be a little looser than you ;)

However I will have more power than you, being at sea level most of the time.

No serious vibes - well nothing I wouldn't expect.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180514/81b9cc8ed056b78c2d57c86015b188ee.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2018, 08:38:31 pm
Quote from: teebag on May 14, 2018, 08:36:27 pm
Today - so I may be a little looser than you ;)

However I will have more power than you, being at sea level most of the time.

No serious vibes - well nothing I wouldn't expect.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180514/81b9cc8ed056b78c2d57c86015b188ee.jpg)
Interesting thanks, only on 1300km now. Heading to Baviaans in the distance.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 16, 2018, 02:31:16 pm
I thought you lot would be interested. I received a response from YSS. There is a chap on AdvRider.com who has modified the crap out of his Rally (Minky something or other) and he's fitted the YSS on the rear and speaks highly of it. This is the response from the YSS sales guys:

The MZ456 shock, we have in stock, that is adjustable on preload and rebound
> this rebound affects also the compression, price is 361 euro including
VAT, excluding shipping.

The othe version with separate reservoir on a hose has a compression damping
extra on it, price 640 euro including VAT, excluding shipment. We don't have
this one in stock and should be ordered from the factory in Thailand, lead
time about 4 weeks.
Please let me know, ok?

With Best Regards,
Dennis van Schijndel,
YSS suspension Europe
Duinweg 8
5482 VR Schijndel ( The Netherlands )
T : +31(0)73-6110221
www.yss-webstore.com
www.yss-suspension.eu
info@yss-suspension.eu


 I think I'm gonna go local first.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 16, 2018, 04:13:21 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 16, 2018, 02:31:16 pm
I thought you lot would be interested. I received a response from YSS. There is a chap on AdvRider.com who has modified the crap out of his Rally (Minky something or other) and he's fitted the YSS on the rear and speaks highly of it. This is the response from the YSS sales guys:

The MZ456 shock, we have in stock, that is adjustable on preload and rebound
> this rebound affects also the compression, price is 361 euro including
VAT, excluding shipping.

The othe version with separate reservoir on a hose has a compression damping
extra on it, price 640 euro including VAT, excluding shipment. We don't have
this one in stock and should be ordered from the factory in Thailand, lead
time about 4 weeks.
Please let me know, ok?

With Best Regards,
Dennis van Schijndel,
YSS suspension Europe
Duinweg 8
5482 VR Schijndel ( The Netherlands )
T : +31(0)73-6110221
www.yss-webstore.com
www.yss-suspension.eu
info@yss-suspension.eu


 I think I'm gonna go local first.
Hmm ordered from Thailand. The Ohlins is also made in Thailand, wonder if that is not the 600 odd euro one.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 16, 2018, 04:21:34 pm
Read it and drool

http://www.propilotsuspension.com/index.php/honda-crf250l-rally-2017-on_ohlins-shock-and-fork-springs_valving_kit/
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 16, 2018, 04:49:47 pm
I think they are both from YSS, they are just different spec levels. YSS manufacturer is in Thailand which doesn't bother me, KTM's are made in India and most high tech stuff now days is made in that neck of the woods anyway.

361 Euro only has preload and rebound adjustment (although he indicates the rebound affects compression damping too)
640 Euro has preload, compression, rebound and a remote reservoir.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 18, 2018, 09:49:23 am
Getting to like my little bike, press the starter and vroom - very quiet, very Honda  :deal: The mapping is spot on, some other bikes i had were a bit hesitant and even cut out at certain conditions with the injection.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 21, 2018, 03:39:46 pm
So we headed out this weekend. You can read the ride report here. It's pretty brief .... don't have much time.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=224531.0


My review of the Rally after the weekend is as follows:

The Tornado shock works very well. I hope I can get my original Rally shock updated to work as well or a suitable replacement. The bikes handling is very neutral and predictable. In fact, it's incredibly easy to ride. So much so that after a section where you should be huffing and puffing and panting, you find yourself surprised at the ease of the experience. My bike is probably about 40mm lower than the standard Rally now but there were no ground clearance issues. I actually like the front suspension. I only managed to bottom it out once where I didn't de-weight the bike sufficiently but generally, it tracks true, isn't harsh and is supple enough to absorb some pretty decent air and some whoops if done carefully. The ergonomics are great on this bike. Having raised the bars a bit, it's more comfortable standing up. One thing that I think could have been improved though is the foot pegs could have been dropped by about 25mm. Wind protection is very good and I didn't experience any buffetting except when there was a pretty stiff side wind on the way home.

The total mileage is now 3500km and I'm finding that the bike is becoming smoother and pulling a little stronger. When doing jeep tracks, the bike's power is adequate. I miss the power slides on demand and wheelies over obstacles but the general handling makes up for that to a degree. Where the bike is severely lacking is that ability to stand on uphills on rough dirt roads. The hill and wind resistance just overcomes the little engine and your speed comes down dramatically. This is a real bummer!!

Going up to Kaapsehoop, it's a pretty stiff hill and the little Rally needed some 5th gear treatment but I only had to go down to fourth on some dirt uphills. I have to admit that I had thoughts of moving the little bike along after the trip on the tar sections. Not because it's uncomfortable but it's just not powerful enough for long stretches on tar. Then you do a section of jeep track and all is forgiven again. Also, my commute is not highway business so it's primary purpose in life which is commuting, it's actually great.

My fuel consumption probably averaged about 27km/l for the trip.

This bike rides like an oversized dirtbike but in comfort. At no time does the bike make you tired. In my opinion, it rides even lighter than the 650 class, naked dual purpose bikes.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2018, 07:09:40 pm
Lekker feedback ! How do you find the seat ? Not sure if its that strap but after about 50-80km my ass starts protesting. Weird I have done serious distance  on a DRZ with far less discomfort. Only bike that was worse is a TE610.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on May 21, 2018, 07:26:11 pm
Thanks for the feedback blauth. I'm glad you got to try the bike out in the rougher terrain; where it really shines. It is indeed an incredibly easy ride on the rough stuff and a great commuter, but definitely not so great on the highway.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 21, 2018, 07:34:19 pm
Remove the strap, 1st thing I did
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 21, 2018, 07:51:46 pm
Quote from: teebag on May 21, 2018, 07:34:19 pm
Remove the strap, 1st thing I did

Me too. The 50 grams saving also gets you a 0.0025km/h advantage.

I always ride with cycling shorts so ass only got numb after about 100km on the tar.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 21, 2018, 07:57:18 pm
Zanie, I think you should try something. You'll see I tilted my windscreen forward. Why don't you try the same. Get two M5 x 60mm bolts, a bit of fuel tube and tilt your windscreen and see if that helps with your wind buffeting issue. Mine was good and I thought about your problem so tried to simulate different heights with my head but I couldn't get any buffeting.

Perhaps the stiffness of the helmet peak or helmet design has something to do with it too.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on May 21, 2018, 08:02:17 pm
blauth: Interesting suggestion. Maybe I'll go that route.

With regards to the seat: I don't seem to have any issues with it. Perhaps because a lady's bottom has enough padding as is.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on May 21, 2018, 08:06:11 pm
🤣
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 23, 2018, 05:31:00 pm
I see some sites suggest that a XR250 / 400 or even 600 shock fits on the 250L, will this apply to the Rally too ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on May 24, 2018, 09:04:53 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 23, 2018, 05:31:00 pm
I see some sites suggest that a XR250 / 400 or even 600 shock fits on the 250L, will this apply to the Rally too ?

Jacques, I'm sure it will. The shock must be 420mm long. The shock can't have any piggyback reservoir on it though, no space. Naturally, the one side has a Male end fitting and the other a female (U shaped) end fitting, both M10 I think. I am a little concerned about the diameter of the spring because this shocks diameter is pretty small. If you can find one that fits of course, it would be a win because they are typically adjustable and of a decent quality.

Are there any bike scrap yards in the Pretoria area that you know of?

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 24, 2018, 06:50:01 pm
Quote from: blauth on May 24, 2018, 09:04:53 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 23, 2018, 05:31:00 pm
I see some sites suggest that a XR250 / 400 or even 600 shock fits on the 250L, will this apply to the Rally too ?

Jacques, I'm sure it will. The shock must be 420mm long. The shock can't have any piggyback reservoir on it though, no space. Naturally, the one side has a Male end fitting and the other a female (U shaped) end fitting, both M10 I think. I am a little concerned about the diameter of the spring because this shocks diameter is pretty small. If you can find one that fits of course, it would be a win because they are typically adjustable and of a decent quality.

Are there any bike scrap yards in the Pretoria area that you know of?
Bothas closed a long time ago and not sure if Perrys are still going. But I know a guy  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 24, 2018, 07:44:32 pm


Quote from: blauth on Today at 09:04:53 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4063767#msg4063767)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 25, 2018, 09:21:29 am
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 24, 2018, 07:44:32 pm


Quote from: blauth on Today at 09:04:53 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4063767#msg4063767)


>Quote from: sidetrack on Yesterday at 05:31:00 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4063446#msg4063446)
Are there any bike scrap yards in the Pretoria area that you know of?

Kiril, out at 77 West Street, Kempton Park, possibly has around 1000 rear shocks for every bite k imaniable; maybe give him a shout, very knowledgeable, and MANUFACTURES ( then hard chromes) his own fork stanchions, too, interesting guy!
Good luck
Chris

Great thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on May 25, 2018, 10:21:22 am
The great oil debate, what will you guys be using in your 250's ? I'm thinking Castrol Actevo, had great results with it in my DRZ and even KTM 525's.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:23:13 am
Anyone notice the pinging from the stock silencer after a ride ? Sounds like something is cooking inside, wonder if it's the CAT ? Aftermarket silencer will be much better at getting the heat out. Look at this beauty  :drif:

Arrow X Cone
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:24:25 am
Quote from: sidetrack on May 25, 2018, 10:21:22 am
The great oil debate, what will you guys be using in your 250's ? I'm thinking Castrol Actevo, had great results with it in my DRZ and even KTM 525's.
Going to use Power F1 since Midas sells it or Liqui Moly will see
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:33:37 am
The stock IRC tyres are not favoured by many off road but I must say they do ok on dirt certainly much better than most stock tyres and they have very good grip on tar  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Renrew on June 04, 2018, 08:38:49 am
Did you post that you got your bike? I remember you asking about interest rates...

If this is it, well congrats, bike looks super nice!


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:46:56 am
Quote from: Renrew on June 04, 2018, 08:38:49 am
Did you post that you got your bike? I remember you asking about interest rates...

If this is it, well congrats, bike looks super nice!


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Yes had it for about a month now, must admit in the beginning I was not convinced I bought the right bike then as I rode it more and got used to just cruising around on the 250 I'm really enjoying it now. Starting with the mods slowly but surely. I would say :

Better rear shock an absolute must (front is ok)
Silencer
Bottom crash bars for the plastic panels (done thanks to Rockfox)
Rear carrier rack
Stronger bars and hand guards
606's when the stock ones are done, they are ok for now
Maybe extra lights, I'm a bit disappointed by the LED's. They look much more impressive than the actual light they put out. Better than most stock dual sport headlights but certainly not wow.
Install a 12V power point
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 04, 2018, 09:21:19 am
Quote
(done thanks to Rockfox)

Eish jumping the queue, here's me still waiting to be told the are ready
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 09:24:14 am
Quote from: teebag on June 04, 2018, 09:21:19 am
Quote
(done thanks to Rockfox)

Eish jumping the queue, here's me still waiting to be told the are ready
They used my CRF for the Bike Expo at Kyalami to showcase the accesories. Very thankful got a set for using my bike, will post some pics later tonight. Must say they look great and will be sure to work well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 12:05:09 pm
I read guys are fitting ECU's from Japanese spec CBR250's. Much more responsive they say.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 04, 2018, 09:55:43 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 12:05:09 pm
I read guys are fitting ECU's from Japanese spec CBR250's. Much more responsive they say.

Don't they have to mess about with one of the pins on the plug? Or was that the cbr300 ecu? Rev counter didn't work afterwards.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 04, 2018, 10:03:39 pm
I put my Tornado together again so the shitty rear shock is back in the Rally. Riding Tornado at the moment and enjoying it....hehe. I put both on the market. Whichever sells last is the one I'll keep. They both good bikes.

I had a discussion with Mike r.e. rear shock. He'd be my preferred option to modify the stock shock but he's in PE and a bit reluctant without the bike there to test it....as am I. He also mentioned that Wilber's although not overly high tech is great quality. YSS not so much. Maybe I'll bite the bullet with BlingKing (Wilber's). 7k for rear emulsion shock (basic model).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on June 05, 2018, 02:13:34 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:46:56 am
606's when the stock ones are done, they are ok for now
Install a 12V power point

Don't go with the 606's, they are really heavy tires (thick casing), therefore it will sap the already meager power. For the weight of the bike, I suggest Michelin T63. I put it on and never got a puncture through the whole of Kaokoland. (Weirdly enough the front was punctured twice by camelthorn, Michelin Desert Race that has 1 ply thicker casing).

For the 12V power point, there is a socket already sitting inside the front left fairing. It has a little cap on to protect the contacts from dust. The cap is the actual socket required, you only need the pins and seals. However, it is a bit problematic to find them... I bought a Deutsch connector, however I still need to wire it in.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 05, 2018, 03:07:41 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on June 05, 2018, 02:13:34 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:46:56 am
606's when the stock ones are done, they are ok for now
Install a 12V power point

Don't go with the 606's, they are really heavy tires (thick casing), therefore it will sap the already meager power. For the weight of the bike, I suggest Michelin T63. I put it on and never got a puncture through the whole of Kaokoland. (Weirdly enough the front was punctured twice by camelthorn, Michelin Desert Race that has 1 ply thicker casing).

For the 12V power point, there is a socket already sitting inside the front left fairing. It has a little cap on to protect the contacts from dust. The cap is the actual socket required, you only need the pins and seals. However, it is a bit problematic to find them... I bought a Deutsch connector, however I still need to wire it in.
I heard the T63's are discontinued not being made anymore
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 05, 2018, 03:10:00 pm
Michelin AC-10....  :biggrin:

Ok maybe not for all the tar riding.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 05, 2018, 03:13:19 pm
I like my D606, but yes they are heavy/stiff - I rode home from a ride with no air on the rear, guess I aired down a little too much, at 1st I thought my gauge was broken until I removed the valve and very little came out.

FYI that fender plug is the same as the number plate light - for some reason mine does not work any more, but my GPS has constant power, go figure
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on June 05, 2018, 03:37:29 pm
Dang, those T63 was quite the bang for buck.

@LoopSoosStroop where do you get the AC-10? Look nice. I see the Michelin Anakee Wild does cater for the sizes that the 250 L/Rally uses.

@teebag yes indeed. Also the red plug under the seat (allegedly something to do with engine management, so don't scratch there). Is your GPS plugged in there at the fender plug?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 05, 2018, 03:48:18 pm
Used to get them from Just Bike Tyre in Centurion. About three years ago though. Were quite affordable as well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 05, 2018, 05:37:00 pm
Yes I used the tail of the number plate light so the fender plug wiring would be nice and watertight, the factory blank is now in the rear under the tail piece to keep that all sealed up
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 05, 2018, 05:39:38 pm
I thought the aux 12V plug was behind the left radiator shroud ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 05, 2018, 05:46:41 pm
Yes that one, - it has a blank on the end, and you need the other half to make it work
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2018, 08:38:52 am
Instead of cutting of plugs somewhere else I'm just going to make up a lead with those bullet type connectors and plug into the Honda unit. Not sure if I should go to a 12V cig socket or straight USB.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 12, 2018, 08:15:46 pm
I chatted to BlingKing about a Wilber's shock. Was looking at the Adjustline range which offers preload and rebound damping adjustment. Price would be around 7k but then a snag occurred. They only have the CRF250R/X and L listed on their parts catalog. Not the Rally.   :eek7:

Denver is gonna chat to the factory and get back to me. 

I seriously can't live with this rear shock. It feels like I'm loosing the backend around corners. My rebound is so poor that over a speed hump, my shock hits the extended limit with a knock and the seat hits me in the ass if I'm standing.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on June 12, 2018, 08:39:33 pm
blauth, have you considered the YSS replacement shock or just a Racetech replacement spring?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 13, 2018, 11:51:23 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 12, 2018, 08:39:33 pm
blauth, have you considered the YSS replacement shock or just a Racetech replacement spring?

I've heard good reports about YSS. The Netherlands branch quoted me 350 Euro I think but then I chatted to a well known mechanic chap on this forum who's opinion I respect a lot and he indicated that the quality on the YSS is not great.

A stiffer spring would help but to a degree it would exacerbate the shock problem because the shock is both under sprung and under damped. A heavier spring alone would most likely make it even worse. Damping needs to be fixed as well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 12:48:30 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 13, 2018, 11:51:23 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 12, 2018, 08:39:33 pm
blauth, have you considered the YSS replacement shock or just a Racetech replacement spring?

I've heard good reports about YSS. The Netherlands branch quoted me 350 Euro I think but then I chatted to a well known mechanic chap on this forum who's opinion I respect a lot and he indicated that the quality on the YSS is not great.

A stiffer spring would help but to a degree it would exacerbate the shock problem because the shock is both under sprung and under damped. A heavier spring alone would most likely make it even worse. Damping needs to be fixed as well.
I see that shock has no remote reservoir, what difference does this make ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 01:14:31 pm
I see shock length is 420mm. Too bad there is no list with shock lengths available to cross reference. Pretty sure most would be an improvement. Kobus do you have a Rally and what is your take on it ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 18, 2018, 01:57:04 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 12:48:30 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 13, 2018, 11:51:23 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 12, 2018, 08:39:33 pm
blauth, have you considered the YSS replacement shock or just a Racetech replacement spring?

I've heard good reports about YSS. The Netherlands branch quoted me 350 Euro I think but then I chatted to a well known mechanic chap on this forum who's opinion I respect a lot and he indicated that the quality on the YSS is not great.

A stiffer spring would help but to a degree it would exacerbate the shock problem because the shock is both under sprung and under damped. A heavier spring alone would most likely make it even worse. Damping needs to be fixed as well.
I see that shock has no remote reservoir, what difference does this make ?

Jacque, I'm not all that clued up on the functioning of the high spec shocks versus rudimentary shocks. Our on the mighty Rally is of the rudimentary kind, the kind that could work well if Honda bothered to spec if for anyone other than a man-bun 65kg rider....and even with this featherweight, it would probably not perform well because it's under-sprung, even for the bikes weight. This is an emulsion shock where there is no separation between the damping chamber where the oil lives and the gas chamber. The alternate design deCarbon (there are other designs) typically have a separation of sorts between the chambers however the different designs i.e. the built in air reservoir, piggy back and remote  all work on the same principle.

Reference: http://www.racetech.com/page/title/G3S%20Shock%20Types

I chatted to Randburg motorcycles over the weekend. He also indicated that he could modify the shock but his first advice to go to Honda and complain. Well.....I'm thinking my life is probably too short for that shit so I'm still looking for an alternative solution which will actually get me somewhere.
Title: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on June 18, 2018, 02:05:16 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 01:14:31 pm
I see shock length is 420mm. Too bad there is no list with shock lengths available to cross reference. Pretty sure most would be an improvement. Kobus do you have a Rally and what is your take on it ?

Just now I also get labelled a Honda fanboy!   :lol8:  But here goes, and obviously my opinion, based on owning the Rally and the L:

The Rally is a 250 bling'ed out L with longer suspension travel, a rally look and more fuel, nothing more, nothing less.  To expect it to handle like a 250R/X is just naïve, it simply wasn't launched as a replacement in that market segment.   I am tall and weigh in just under 100kg.  I have ridden it on rocky mountain terrain at the WC Bash with a couple of guys, over Rooiberg pass, Cloetes pass etc. on a 400km day trip and and .......... 

Yes, the suspension is way softer than my other bikes, but correct me if I'm wrong, this bike was marketed in standard settings and trim for 68kg rider weight.  No matter what you do, you will not set up a shock for the 47% rider weight increase.  My intended modifications ...................... absolutely squat.  I know what I bought and it works perfectly for what I want to do, which is do more technical riding than I would with the 990 or AT, stop, take pictures and smell the roses.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 04:03:31 pm
68kg ! Maybe it is made for Asians and lady riders  :biggrin: Well we need a plan for the rear. The front is ok for me.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on June 18, 2018, 08:41:46 pm
@blauth , I see this shock is really pissing you off.  :lol8:  Why not just fit the ÖHLINS STX XHD (Extra Heavy Duty) or STX 46 Adventure shock and be done with it?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 09:49:23 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.
Have not heard about any mechanical issues on these bikes, just puttering around on good dirt I think increasing the spring tension at the back will be ok for most but not for varied DS terrain. My only other gripe is the stock chain is rusted quite badly and this for a bike that was up in GP with 1400km on the clock  :P Ok and maybe they went overboard with all the brittle type of  plastic (ABS ?)  but time will tell how it holds up. As Kobus says it is what it is, meant to look like a Rally bike for the mean streets of Bangkok  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 18, 2018, 10:41:03 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.

Blauth the more I read the more I think you got a kak shock right from the start. Remember when the WD's were invited to test this bike along with some press (Clinton Pienaar) on the Postal rourte? None of them complained about the bike and they have done some serious riding. I think you should give it a try through HONDA and who knows? First thing is to arrange another testride at Honda on a Rally for a side by side comparison. I really think your shock is just busted right from the start.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:34:54 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 18, 2018, 08:41:46 pm
@blauth , I see this shock is really pissing you off.  :lol8:  Why not just fit the ÖHLINS STX XHD (Extra Heavy Duty) or STX 46 Adventure shock and be done with it?

I'm seriously thinking about that route but the 15k is standing in my way.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on June 19, 2018, 07:47:28 am
Quote from: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:34:54 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 18, 2018, 08:41:46 pm
@blauth , I see this shock is really pissing you off.  :lol8:  Why not just fit the ÖHLINS STX XHD (Extra Heavy Duty) or STX 46 Adventure shock and be done with it?

I'm seriously thinking about that route but the 15k is standing in my way.   :thumleft:

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:55:30 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on June 18, 2018, 10:41:03 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.

Blauth the more I read the more I think you got a kak shock right from the start. Remember when the WD's were invited to test this bike along with some press (Clinton Pienaar) on the Postal rourte? None of them complained about the bike and they have done some serious riding. I think you should give it a try through HONDA and who knows? First thing is to arrange another testride at Honda on a Rally for a side by side comparison. I really think your shock is just busted right from the start.

This did cross my mind but then again, I read on advRider and it's one of the first things that people are upgrading because it appears to be universally kak for westerner fat asses. I suspect it's poor to start with and then mine is probably a bit of a lemon on top of that. Anyway, I will do something about it.

- Have you okes seen the posts about the foot pegs bending the frame in a fall. Looks like those little tabs need to be ground off.

- I also see the Minky oke who has modified the hell out of his bike fitted a Tenere front spring to his right fork leg with good results. This sounds like a good affordable option.

- Also, what do you okes think about ditching the tool box for an auxiliary fuel tank, fitted under the left rear side cover. An extra five litres would extend the range to roughly 420+ km. That would be nice. A mate of mine is building stuff with fibreglass so I was thinking of this as a little project. Just need to use the correct resins.

- Another thing, it appears as if the Japanese spec CBR250R ECU advances the timing and has a huge affect on the performance of the bike. You probably just need to make sure you run it with quality fuel.

Overall, the rest of the bike is quite nice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 19, 2018, 08:05:44 am
Thanks Kobus. I spoke to Hilton Hayward about this and he quoted me (estimate) of 15k for shock and front spring kit. Sounds about right but it's a lot of dough to fork out on a cheap bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 19, 2018, 08:15:32 am
Quote from: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:55:30 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on June 18, 2018, 10:41:03 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.

Blauth the more I read the more I think you got a kak shock right from the start. Remember when the WD's were invited to test this bike along with some press (Clinton Pienaar) on the Postal rourte? None of them complained about the bike and they have done some serious riding. I think you should give it a try through HONDA and who knows? First thing is to arrange another testride at Honda on a Rally for a side by side comparison. I really think your shock is just busted right from the start.

This did cross my mind but then again, I read on advRider and it's one of the first things that people are upgrading because it appears to be universally kak for westerner fat asses. I suspect it's poor to start with and then mine is probably a bit of a lemon on top of that. Anyway, I will do something about it.

- Have you okes seen the posts about the foot pegs bending the frame in a fall. Looks like those little tabs need to be ground off.

- I also see the Minky oke who has modified the hell out of his bike fitted a Tenere front spring to his right fork leg with good results. This sounds like a good affordable option.

- Also, what do you okes think about ditching the tool box for an auxiliary fuel tank, fitted under the left rear side cover. An extra five litres would extend the range to roughly 420+ km. That would be nice. A mate of mine is building stuff with fibreglass so I was thinking of this as a little project. Just need to use the correct resins.

- Another thing, it appears as if the Japanese spec CBR250R ECU advances the timing and has a huge affect on the performance of the bike. You probably just need to make sure you run it with quality fuel.

Overall, the rest of the bike is quite nice.
I have heard the CBR250 ECU makes the bike more thirsty so not sure if it's worth it for extra 1 or 2 hp or torque. I want to do a ride on Saturday (check planning a ride), we can swap bikes and compare shocks.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 19, 2018, 08:25:00 am
Quote from: sidetrack on June 19, 2018, 08:15:32 am
Quote from: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:55:30 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on June 18, 2018, 10:41:03 pm
Quote from: blauth on June 18, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
I can live with the front, not the rear. It's an abomination and I'd go so far as to say that it's worse than the X-Challenge shock.  My cheap ass Tornado shock works 100% better than the standard Rally shock. In my mind, Honda screwed the pooch here.   :eek7:

Having said this, I saw on advRider, some bloke bought two of them new for himself and his wife. He says it's like riding two different bikes. One goes much better than the other and the one has saggy marshmellow suspension and the other not as bad. Then further down the thread, I saw someone else mention that he'd spoken to a Honda guy who said his biggest nightmare were customers who bought more than one of these bikes. Perhaps Honda skipped the quality control queue on this model.

Blauth the more I read the more I think you got a kak shock right from the start. Remember when the WD's were invited to test this bike along with some press (Clinton Pienaar) on the Postal rourte? None of them complained about the bike and they have done some serious riding. I think you should give it a try through HONDA and who knows? First thing is to arrange another testride at Honda on a Rally for a side by side comparison. I really think your shock is just busted right from the start.

This did cross my mind but then again, I read on advRider and it's one of the first things that people are upgrading because it appears to be universally kak for westerner fat asses. I suspect it's poor to start with and then mine is probably a bit of a lemon on top of that. Anyway, I will do something about it.

- Have you okes seen the posts about the foot pegs bending the frame in a fall. Looks like those little tabs need to be ground off.

- I also see the Minky oke who has modified the hell out of his bike fitted a Tenere front spring to his right fork leg with good results. This sounds like a good affordable option.

- Also, what do you okes think about ditching the tool box for an auxiliary fuel tank, fitted under the left rear side cover. An extra five litres would extend the range to roughly 420+ km. That would be nice. A mate of mine is building stuff with fibreglass so I was thinking of this as a little project. Just need to use the correct resins.

- Another thing, it appears as if the Japanese spec CBR250R ECU advances the timing and has a huge affect on the performance of the bike. You probably just need to make sure you run it with quality fuel.

Overall, the rest of the bike is quite nice.
I have heard the CBR250 ECU makes the bike more thirsty so not sure if it's worth it for extra 1 or 2 hp or torque. I want to do a ride on Saturday (check planning a ride), we can swap bikes and compare shocks.

Cool. I'll come on the ride.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 19, 2018, 05:05:54 pm
Newish onroad review

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 26, 2018, 09:06:08 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 19, 2018, 07:47:28 am
Quote from: blauth on June 19, 2018, 07:34:54 am
Quote from: ktmkobus on June 18, 2018, 08:41:46 pm
@blauth , I see this shock is really pissing you off.  :lol8:  Why not just fit the ÖHLINS STX XHD (Extra Heavy Duty) or STX 46 Adventure shock and be done with it?

I'm seriously thinking about that route but the 15k is standing in my way.   :thumleft:

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Kobus, keep us in the loop on that suspension. I'm waiting in anticipation. Unfortunately, I'm constrained until the end of July, then I can start looking at upgrades on my Rally.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 28, 2018, 10:02:05 pm
Look I know people keep bringing up the it's "only a 250" but the more I look at other models coming out the more the Rally appeals as a true dual sport. The 390 ADV looks more and more like a road bike and same goes for the GS310 Versys300 and Vstrom 250. The Rally you have proper 21/18, proper ground clearance, decent travel and rally bike styling. Any even with 18/21 I found it rides tar amazingly well and makes a perfect commuter. Equally at home on and offroad.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 28, 2018, 10:17:21 pm
Agree,  love mine.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on June 28, 2018, 10:30:27 pm
I love my little Rally as well. It's an awesome commuter, but has also allowed me to finally start tackling the places that scared me on my 650GS. I've put my name down for Hardy's Kaokoland tour next year (includes Van Zyls and lots of sand).

The bike is light and nippy. I broke my wrist just under 6 weeks ago (riding my 230 in a funduro) and was able to start riding again (wearing my splint) within 4 weeks and 4 days (I actually did a 20-odd km trip on the 3-week mark, but that was stupid). The clutch is light, needing only 2 fingers to operate, and the super-soft suspension, which people love to hate, cushions my wrist from bumps. If I only had my car or 650GS, I'd still have to rely on others to get around.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2018, 09:08:16 am
Quote from: Zanie on June 28, 2018, 10:30:27 pm
I love my little Rally as well. It's an awesome commuter, but has also allowed me to finally start tackling the places that scared me on my 650GS. I've put my name down for Hardy's Kaokoland tour next year (includes Van Zyls and lots of sand).

The bike is light and nippy. I broke my wrist just under 6 weeks ago (riding my 230 in a funduro) and was able to start riding again (wearing my splint) within 4 weeks and 4 days (I actually did a 20-odd km trip on the 3-week mark, but that was stupid). The clutch is light, needing only 2 fingers to operate, and the super-soft suspension, which people love to hate, cushions my wrist from bumps. If I only had my car or 650GS, I'd still have to rely on others to get around.
Going to be a ball, at first I found my Rally a bit loose in the sand (more than some other bikes) not sure if it was down to the narrow rear tyre ? Would like to try a D606 and see if it's wider in profile. All in all the IRC's are not bad as a 50/50 tyre. Getting some good mileage and they grip well on tar.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 29, 2018, 10:20:48 am
I'll have to go ride one before I settle on the 300 Versys, the little Honda looking more attractive by the day.   
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2018, 11:46:06 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 29, 2018, 10:20:48 am
I'll have to go ride one before I settle on the 300 Versys, the little Honda looking more attractive by the day.
Can ride mine if you like, Honda also has demos. Salesman took me on a 40km outride to test the Rally. Go for a demo you can save about 10k over a new one.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2018, 07:07:33 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 29, 2018, 10:20:48 am
I'll have to go ride one before I settle on the 300 Versys, the little Honda looking more attractive by the day.

You really need to decide what you want to do with the bike. In my mind, you can't even compare the the versus to the Rally in terms of true off-road adventure riding capability. The Rally is just in a different league (even with the Kak rear shock). The versus will be a better commuter though. Having said that, I commute daily on my Rally and really enjoy it because it's good at it to. For me, the off-road biased of the Rally and looks make the decision simple. It's just so versatile. I don't feel constrained in the decision to join in on an adventure ride.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2018, 10:03:57 am
Quote from: Hardy de Kock on June 30, 2018, 07:36:33 am
Barry

I had two riders with Rally's on a recent trip in March.
The bikes were fantastic.
I know the one guy upgraded the rear, but the other did not, and still rode the route in style.
@LoopSoosStroop

Make sure you test the Versys in technical areas too.
Both good engines - very different purposes as far as I am concerned

I was going to ask the somewhat rhetorical question about if the Rally is suitable for your trip in May next year but I actually know the answer.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 30, 2018, 06:27:47 pm
It's a heart vs. mind thing. I need a commuter, with some highway work every now and then. For that the Kawa will be king. I don't really have time a.t.m. for adventure riding anyway, but the Rally reminds me of my TT250R, and I loved that thing.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 01, 2018, 04:24:50 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 30, 2018, 06:27:47 pm
It's a heart vs. mind thing. I need a commuter, with some highway work every now and then. For that the Kawa will be king. I don't really have time a.t.m. for adventure riding anyway, but the Rally reminds me of my TT250R, and I loved that thing.
The Rally's ability on tar is actually what surprised me the most, I think it will make a very good commuter and if needed can still do 120km/h without vibes or 21/18 wheels bouncing up and down. It is much better on road than what my XR250, DR250 and even DRZ400 was.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 01, 2018, 04:32:12 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 01, 2018, 04:24:50 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 30, 2018, 06:27:47 pm
It's a heart vs. mind thing. I need a commuter, with some highway work every now and then. For that the Kawa will be king. I don't really have time a.t.m. for adventure riding anyway, but the Rally reminds me of my TT250R, and I loved that thing.
The Rally's ability on tar is actually what surprised me the most, I think it will make a very good commuter and if needed can still do 120km/h without vibes or 21/18 wheels bouncing up and down. It is much better on road than what my XR250, DR250 and even DRZ400 was.

We did a trip through Molteno pass and De Jagers pass on our way back to Loxton. I rode the Rally, and enjoyed it thoroughly.  The power output figures on these bikes is very misleading.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on July 02, 2018, 11:30:26 am
I did my 12000km service this weekend. Mostly commuting but whenever the opportunity came up to go off road I never had to stand back and everyone on much fancier and expensive bikes were amazed everytime with the Rally. I ride mine around Joburg on the highways cruising at 120km/h gps speed all day long. What really impressed me was how stable the bike is on the road compared to my old DRZ. And what a pleasure to be riding a bike that really costs cents per km. I am still on my original irc tires and I guess the rear will give me 15000km. Chain and sprockets still looks brand new after 12k km.
These are seriously underrated bikes and they are very versatile. Mine honestly by far exceeded all my expectations.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 02, 2018, 11:47:51 am
As a matter of interest what did the service cost
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on July 02, 2018, 01:07:08 pm
Quote from: teebag on July 02, 2018, 11:47:51 am
As a matter of interest what did the service cost
R500 for honda oil, oil filter, crush washer and oil filter gasket
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 02, 2018, 01:23:24 pm
What is the Honda Oil. Is the bottle branded by Honda or did they give you Castrol Activo X?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 02, 2018, 01:38:28 pm
Ah I thought the 12k service was more than just an oil change
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ruger1 on July 02, 2018, 03:01:01 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 29, 2018, 09:08:16 am
Quote from: Zanie on June 28, 2018, 10:30:27 pm
I love my little Rally as well. It's an awesome commuter, but has also allowed me to finally start tackling the places that scared me on my 650GS. I've put my name down for Hardy's Kaokoland tour next year (includes Van Zyls and lots of sand).

The bike is light and nippy. I broke my wrist just under 6 weeks ago (riding my 230 in a funduro) and was able to start riding again (wearing my splint) within 4 weeks and 4 days (I actually did a 20-odd km trip on the 3-week mark, but that was stupid). The clutch is light, needing only 2 fingers to operate, and the super-soft suspension, which people love to hate, cushions my wrist from bumps. If I only had my car or 650GS, I'd still have to rely on others to get around.
Going to be a ball, at first I found my Rally a bit loose in the sand (more than some other bikes) not sure if it was down to the narrow rear tyre ? Would like to try a D606 and see if it's wider in profile. All in all the IRC's are not bad as a 50/50 tyre. Getting some good mileage and they grip well on tar.

Where did you get the IRC tyres from? I a looking for a set of the IRC Rally TR8 but I cant find a seller/distributor in South Africa.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2018, 03:10:10 pm
Quote from: ruger1 on July 02, 2018, 03:01:01 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on June 29, 2018, 09:08:16 am
Quote from: Zanie on June 28, 2018, 10:30:27 pm
I love my little Rally as well. It's an awesome commuter, but has also allowed me to finally start tackling the places that scared me on my 650GS. I've put my name down for Hardy's Kaokoland tour next year (includes Van Zyls and lots of sand).

The bike is light and nippy. I broke my wrist just under 6 weeks ago (riding my 230 in a funduro) and was able to start riding again (wearing my splint) within 4 weeks and 4 days (I actually did a 20-odd km trip on the 3-week mark, but that was stupid). The clutch is light, needing only 2 fingers to operate, and the super-soft suspension, which people love to hate, cushions my wrist from bumps. If I only had my car or 650GS, I'd still have to rely on others to get around.
Going to be a ball, at first I found my Rally a bit loose in the sand (more than some other bikes) not sure if it was down to the narrow rear tyre ? Would like to try a D606 and see if it's wider in profile. All in all the IRC's are not bad as a 50/50 tyre. Getting some good mileage and they grip well on tar.

Where did you get the IRC tyres from? I a looking for a set of the IRC Rally TR8 but I cant find a seller/distributor in South Africa.
The Rally comes with IRC, doubt you can buy them here is SA
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ruger1 on July 02, 2018, 03:23:15 pm
Hi Sidetrack, OK thanks for the info, they look like good tyres, pity they not available locally.

Glad you guys loving the Honda Rally,they look like great bikes enjoy.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 12:27:09 pm
Hi Rally Riders!

I'm still not decided on the 300 Versys vs. 250 Rally conundrum.

I think the added punch of the 300 will not be required for my commute, except for days when I want to take the highway. Even then, speeds will be 110 max, so should be ok on the Rally. This will be one or two afternoons per week.

Wonder how running costs will compare? I'm going to be doing between 12k and 15k km per year. Which motor will last longer and be cheaper to rebuild (doing it yourself)? How does the warranties and service cost compare?

Fuelly.com fuel consumption on the Rally is roughly 28-30 kmpl, and the Versys about 24-25 kmpl.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 09, 2018, 01:16:24 pm
My average over the past 7 months 27.3

You'll manage 110 no problem.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 01:27:37 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 12:27:09 pm
Hi Rally Riders!

I'm still not decided on the 300 Versys vs. 250 Rally conundrum.

I think the added punch of the 300 will not be required for my commute, except for days when I want to take the highway. Even then, speeds will be 110 max, so should be ok on the Rally. This will be one or two afternoons per week.

Wonder how running costs will compare? I'm going to be doing between 12k and 15k km per year. Which motor will last longer and be cheaper to rebuild (doing it yourself)? How does the warranties and service cost compare?

Fuelly.com fuel consumption on the Rally is roughly 28-30 kmpl, and the Versys about 24-25 kmpl.
With either I reckon you don't have to worry about a rebuild at all. These bikes are not high performance machines, quite low stressed and I suspect 70 000 - 80 000km will easily be achieved before some oil usage starts. Off course a single should be cheaper to rebuild than a twin. What I like is that the CRF250L motor is proven and I have not heard of any mechanical issues on them.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 09, 2018, 01:34:37 pm
I use the Rally for my daily commute and am loving it. The low power is not a hassle for the highway stretches on my commute. The only place where you feel it, is if you tackle long stretches of highway (e.g. the 150 km Piketberg to Cape Town N7 highway run, which I've done twice now).

It's an incredibly fun bike and I find myself eye-balling pavements and grassy verges as interesting alternative obstacle courses.

Fuel consumption is frugal. I get an average 3.3 lit/100km (30 km/lit), so fuel cost is under 50c/km. You can check my stats here: http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/crf250l-rally/2018/zanie/773316/log (http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/crf250l-rally/2018/zanie/773316/log). I list the types of riding I do with each fuel-up in the notes, so you can see how this affects fuel consumption.

I'd suggest you contact Rhian on this forum. She recently sold her DRZ400 in favour of the Rally as a commuter.

I'm not sure about warranty (think it's one year?), but the moment it's over, I'll do the oil servicing myself and start learning any other easy bits I can do.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 01:37:49 pm
@zebra - Flying Brick two racks were posted, which one is being sold at the moment ? First one looks like the seat will not come off with.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 01:39:12 pm
What's the service intervals on the Rally? 6000 km on the Versys.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 01:41:44 pm
Zanie, those fuel consumption figures are really impressive on your Fuelly profile.  :thumleft:

I think at the end it will come down to the best deal I can get secondhand.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 09, 2018, 01:42:03 pm
Sidetrack: Those pics are both of my bike from different angles - the angle makes it look like the rack's over the seat, but it's not. It was the first rack Flying Brick installed.  ;D

LSS: Service intervals for the Rally are 12,000 km. Nice and long!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 01:43:21 pm
I really like this one but it will be an import. Would be nice with handles like that of Flying Brick. The first two looks like stuff will drop down between the crossbars ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 09, 2018, 01:47:48 pm
Sidetrack: I also strongly considered that rack, but due to price and urgency, I went for the Flying Brick version and have been forever grateful for that decision.

The grab-handles are great for moving the bike around and I have not had any moment where I thought "I wish my rack had [insert random functionality]".
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 01:50:01 pm
Quote from: Zanie on July 09, 2018, 01:47:48 pm
Sidetrack: I also strongly considered that rack, but due to price and urgency, I went for the Flying Brick version and have been forever grateful for that decision.

The grab-handles are great for moving the bike around and I have not had any moment where I thought "I wish my rack had [insert random functionality]".
Cool  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 01:57:12 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 01:41:44 pm
Zanie, those fuel consumption figures are really impressive on your Fuelly profile.  :thumleft:

I think at the end it will come down to the best deal I can get secondhand.
I just cant get used to the Versys looks, sure it will commute well but cant see myself heading too far off road with it
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 09, 2018, 02:14:43 pm


Quote from: Zanie on Today at 01:42:03 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4092005#msg4092005)>Sidetrack: Those pics are both of my bike from different angles - the angle makes it look like the rack's over the seat, but it's not. It was the first rack Flying Brick installed.  ;D

LSS: Service intervals for the Rally are 12,000 km. Nice and long!
Yes, and ...no! the FIRST rack shown has North-South bars, and the SECOND rack has East-West bars... ;D
the FIRST rack is the Flying Brick rack, which we stock...
the other I THINK is a picture I found trawling the web; more later...
We have stock of the first rack...it was designed with 'pick-me-up' handles: partly to aid picking the bike up, and partly to allow a bigger/wider bag to rest on the handles AND the actual rack...
Stuff dropping down NOT usually a problem whatsoever, since USUALLY a soft-bag is tied on to the top of these racks!
Chris & Team

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 09, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
Are you sure Chris I bought my rack from you and it sure looks like the 2nd one ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 09, 2018, 02:31:11 pm
My mistake Chris. Obviously it's Monday and I'm still asleep at the PC. Mine's the one in the first picture.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 02:34:43 pm
The plot thickens  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 09, 2018, 02:36:38 pm
Chris getting old
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 09, 2018, 02:36:48 pm
hehe, I now THINK we get two different racks (North/South & East/West) from 2 different sources, we just cannot remember who supplies us the SECOND rack! (embarrassing!)  :-[


We have also now been offered a THIRD rack (see pic), but will have to limit how MANY we stock, I did ask 1st rack designer to build on those grab-handles, and MAY have asked the second designer to do the same - let me quickly take my memory pills!  :o



More research needed!  :scratch:
Chris
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 09, 2018, 02:37:39 pm


Quote from: teebag on Today at 02:36:38 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4092060#msg4092060)
Chris IS
getting old  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 02:40:01 pm
Last one is nice, will be able to bolt a piece of flat alu to it but also needs those grab handles.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 09, 2018, 02:42:44 pm


Quote from: sidetrack on Today at 02:34:43 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4092057#msg4092057)>The plot thickens  :biggrin:
OK, things clearer now!  :biggrin:  We INDEED sell BOTH North/South and East/West rack, and p-r-e-s-e-n-t-l-y have stock of the North/South rack - whew, tough crowd today  :imaposer:
;)


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 09, 2018, 02:45:02 pm


Quote from: sidetrack on Today at 01:37:49 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4091997#msg4091997)>@zebra - Flying Brick (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2935) two racks were posted, which one is being sold at the moment ? First one looks like the seat will not come off with.

in answer - FIRST rack is in stock, SECOND rack can be ordered in, and BOTH do not interfere with seat removal, that is purely an optical illusion....
Chris


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 11, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 09, 2018, 01:41:44 pm
Zanie, those fuel consumption figures are really impressive on your Fuelly profile.  :thumleft:

I think at the end it will come down to the best deal I can get secondhand.

This would be a mistake in my opinion. Get the bike you wan't, not the cheapest you can get. I'm a serious tight ass too but won't buy a bike I wan't second best again to save a buck.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 11, 2018, 10:15:57 pm
I was also looking around at other cheaper options. The little Yamaha WR250 would have been far cheaper and in technical sections probably better due to the low seat height.

But the Rally looked so pretty, it felt less cramped (my longer legs made me sit in the fetal positional on the Yammie) and I actually like the plush suspension.

It's also great to have a bike with no second-hand issues, because (at least from my experience) there is always the extra cash you drop to fix up a second-hand bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 11:50:07 am
Loopsoosstroop my invitation is open you can ride my bike anytime  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 11:52:01 am
Quote from: Zanie on July 11, 2018, 10:15:57 pm
I was also looking around at other cheaper options. The little Yamaha WR250 would have been far cheaper and in technical sections probably better due to the low seat height.

But the Rally looked so pretty, it felt less cramped (my longer legs made me sit in the fetal positional on the Yammie) and I actually like the plush suspension.

It's also great to have a bike with no second-hand issues, because (at least from my experience) there is always the extra cash you drop to fix up a second-hand bike.
Maintenance would have also cost a small fortune, oil change every 2000km vs every 12000km (although I would do 8000). Then again Rally vs WR cost would also come into play. But no doubt over time the Rally will have a much lower running cost.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 12, 2018, 11:57:36 am
 every 12000km

I would change oil every 5000 kms. :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 12:00:40 pm
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 12, 2018, 11:57:36 am
every 12000km

I would change oil every 5000 kms. :deal:
I don't think the Rally motor is stressed at all but if you ride dirt a lot I agree would rather service more than specified.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 12, 2018, 12:45:14 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 11:50:07 am
Loopsoosstroop my invitation is open you can ride my bike anytime  :thumleft:

Thank you, I will take you up on that soon!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 12, 2018, 12:49:09 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 11, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
This would be a mistake in my opinion. Get the bike you wan't, not the cheapest you can get. I'm a serious tight ass too but won't buy a bike I wan't second best again to save a buck.

Fair enough, except if that is R20k bucks for example. Nice Versys for R54k on Gomboom.

Problem is I like both very much.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 12, 2018, 03:13:41 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 12, 2018, 12:49:09 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 11, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
This would be a mistake in my opinion. Get the bike you wan't, not the cheapest you can get. I'm a serious tight ass too but won't buy a bike I wan't second best again to save a buck.

Fair enough, except if that is R20k bucks for example. Nice Versys for R54k on Gomboom.

Problem is I like both very much.

I paid 65k for my Rally with 1800km on the dial. They are far and few between but a cheaper second hand one will pop up, especially now that we're going into the second year of sales. Also scan the dealers. They are eager to sell them because they aren't flying off the showroom floors.  Thing is, once sold, I think the buyers are liking them, they're just initially skeptical about the high new selling price and small HP.

The lived experience is however a very satisfactory one and that's difficult to sell on paper.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:24:56 pm
Must say I have still to take mine on rally technical terrain, it's not as light as most think .... I'd say 20kg heavier than a DRZ400 for instance. But it's physically small and I'm sure it will be just fine.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:25:15 pm
Should plan a Dewildt ride  :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 12, 2018, 04:29:26 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:25:15 pm
Should plan a Dewildt ride  :deal:

I'm keen on an overnight to my dads place near Dullstroom. If anyone is keen, his rate is R350 per night Self Catering. I could ask him to arrange some beer and meat for a braai for us beforehand if we get a group together. It's a solid ride. About 450km there and back the following day is about 300 odd.

Pace needs to be kept up a little though else we have to cut chunks out of the ride because it's a pretty long day.

Anyone keen?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 12, 2018, 04:29:26 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:25:15 pm
Should plan a Dewildt ride  :deal:

I'm keen on an overnight to my dads place near Dullstroom. If anyone is keen, his rate is R350 per night Self Catering. I could ask him to arrange some beer and meat for a braai for us beforehand if we get a group together. It's a solid ride. About 450km there and back the following day is about 300 odd.

Pace needs to be kept up a little though else we have to cut chunks out of the ride because it's a pretty long day.

Anyone keen?
Jis I don't know winter in Dullstroom on a bike  :biggrin: I'm still keen though
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 12, 2018, 04:52:00 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 12, 2018, 04:29:26 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:25:15 pm
Should plan a Dewildt ride  :deal:

I'm keen on an overnight to my dads place near Dullstroom. If anyone is keen, his rate is R350 per night Self Catering. I could ask him to arrange some beer and meat for a braai for us beforehand if we get a group together. It's a solid ride. About 450km there and back the following day is about 300 odd.

Pace needs to be kept up a little though else we have to cut chunks out of the ride because it's a pretty long day.

Anyone keen?
Jis I don't know winter in Dullstroom on a bike  :biggrin: I'm still keen though

Maybe next weekend. I'll start a thread in the Planning a ride but it's not ideal for a big group or for massive bikes.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 12, 2018, 05:00:47 pm
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 12, 2018, 11:57:36 am
every 12000km

I would change oil every 5000 kms. :deal:

That's my plan: to do an oil change at 6000 km. I did the same for my 650GS: recommended 10,000 km intervals, but I did an oil change every 5000 km.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 09:41:01 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:24:56 pm
Must say I have still to take mine on rally technical terrain, it's not as light as most think .... I'd say 20kg heavier than a DRZ400 for instance. But it's physically small and I'm sure it will be just fine.

I don't have to ride one to know it will really struggle in sand and riverbeds, but it will still be better there than a Versys  ;D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 13, 2018, 09:52:10 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 09:41:01 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:24:56 pm
Must say I have still to take mine on rally technical terrain, it's not as light as most think .... I'd say 20kg heavier than a DRZ400 for instance. But it's physically small and I'm sure it will be just fine.

I don't have to ride one to know it will really struggle in sand and riverbeds, but it will still be better there than a Versys  ;D
Think your TTR would be much more suited to tech stuff but as an all rounder still with serious off road ability I reckon the Rally is hard to beat.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 09:55:07 am
Correct, but even the TTR is a handful in sand and dunes. The 250 plaasbikes just don't have the HP for proper deep sand. Everywhere else I don't see a problem, even the tech climbs at Dewildt.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 01:38:30 pm
Ok, so could not hold it in anymore, went for a quick lunch test ride at Honda East Rand.  Very, very impressed. It is a way better bike than I anticipated. Very refined, composed and comfortable. Makes you wonder why everyone is riding 1000+ cc monsters?

Felt much more comfortable riding and maneuvering it around traffic than the Versys, probably due to my scrambler background. Has enough poke to cruise comfortably at indicated 120 kmph on the N12.

Also, no issues with the rear shock wanting to throw me over the bars, but I did only ride it through some potholes and over speed bumps. 

Very well thought out bike. Well done Honda!

Hmmm...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on July 13, 2018, 02:06:44 pm
Don't go out of your way but if someone can please post the height of the grips when the bike i upright I'd appreciate it  :thumleft:

I am getting annoyed with my low GS handlebars not being able to clear car mirrors in traffic
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 13, 2018, 02:16:47 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 01:38:30 pm
Ok, so could not hold it in anymore, went for a quick lunch test ride at Honda East Rand.  Very, very impressed. It is a way better bike than I anticipated. Very refined, composed and comfortable. Makes you wonder why everyone is riding 1000+ cc monsters?

Felt much more comfortable riding and maneuvering it around traffic than the Versys, probably due to my scrambler background. Has enough poke to cruise comfortably at indicated 120 kmph on the N12.

Also, no issues with the rear shock wanting to throw me over the bars, but I did only ride it through some potholes and over speed bumps. 

Very well thought out bike. Well done Honda!

Hmmm...

Awesome!!  Glad you like it. It also looks better than the Kawa but that's a subjective opinion.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 13, 2018, 02:19:55 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 13, 2018, 01:38:30 pm
Ok, so could not hold it in anymore, went for a quick lunch test ride at Honda East Rand.  Very, very impressed. It is a way better bike than I anticipated. Very refined, composed and comfortable. Makes you wonder why everyone is riding 1000+ cc monsters?

Felt much more comfortable riding and maneuvering it around traffic than the Versys, probably due to my scrambler background. Has enough poke to cruise comfortably at indicated 120 kmph on the N12.

Also, no issues with the rear shock wanting to throw me over the bars, but I did only ride it through some potholes and over speed bumps. 

Very well thought out bike. Well done Honda!

Hmmm...
Yes surprises one when you ride it, refined compared to the old school 250's. I'm actually still surprised how the heck they kept it so smooth at 120km/h without weights on the wheels and fairly knobby tyres as stock.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 13, 2018, 03:22:16 pm
Quote from: Dwerg on July 13, 2018, 02:06:44 pm
Don't go out of your way but if someone can please post the height of the grips when the bike i upright I'd appreciate it  :thumleft:

I am getting annoyed with my low GS handlebars not being able to clear car mirrors in traffic
Will measure tonight
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on July 13, 2018, 03:49:10 pm
1140mm with my full weight (83kg) on the bike
I ride traffic everyday and car mirrors is fine but you have to dodge suv and bakkie mirrors. The bike is awesome in traffic. And no problem holding 120kmh true speed in traffic due to slipstream similar than a cyclist riding through the convoy.
I also see on this forum and on advrider.com that everyone who bought these little bikes cant stop raving about them.
Personally the bike exceeded all my expectations by far!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: wolf skaap on July 14, 2018, 11:25:52 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 12, 2018, 03:13:41 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 12, 2018, 12:49:09 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 11, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
This would be a mistake in my opinion. Get the bike you wan't, not the cheapest you can get. I'm a serious tight ass too but won't buy a bike I wan't second best again to save a buck.

Fair enough, except if that is R20k bucks for example. Nice Versys for R54k on Gomboom.

Problem is I like both very much.

I paid 65k for my Rally with 1800km on the dial. They are far and few between but a cheaper second hand one will pop up, especially now that we're going into the second year of sales. Also scan the dealers. They are eager to sell them because they aren't flying off the showroom floors.  Thing is, once sold, I think the buyers are liking them, they're just initially skeptical about the high new selling price and small HP.

The lived experience is however a very satisfactory one and that's difficult to sell on paper.
Didn't you pay R65K for my xtz?

I've never ridden a CRFL but I have my doubts about that trade you made?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on July 15, 2018, 09:57:29 pm
Quote from: wolf skaap on July 14, 2018, 11:25:52 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 12, 2018, 03:13:41 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 12, 2018, 12:49:09 pm
Quote from: blauth on July 11, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
This would be a mistake in my opinion. Get the bike you wan't, not the cheapest you can get. I'm a serious tight ass too but won't buy a bike I wan't second best again to save a buck.

Fair enough, except if that is R20k bucks for example. Nice Versys for R54k on Gomboom.

Problem is I like both very much.

I paid 65k for my Rally with 1800km on the dial. They are far and few between but a cheaper second hand one will pop up, especially now that we're going into the second year of sales. Also scan the dealers. They are eager to sell them because they aren't flying off the showroom floors.  Thing is, once sold, I think the buyers are liking them, they're just initially skeptical about the high new selling price and small HP.

The lived experience is however a very satisfactory one and that's difficult to sell on paper.
Didn't you pay R65K for my xtz?

I've never ridden a CRFL but I have my doubts about that trade you made?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Selling the Tenere was a regrettable moment yes. It had to be done at the time.

This little Rally is a great bike and better than the Tenere in wind protection, weight, looks (which is subjective) and fuel consumption but in my opinion, your Tenere specifically was better in almost every other aspect.

Having said this, if it weren't for the rear shock, I'd say that the little Rally handles better than the Tenere so for more technical riding with cruisability in between, it's arguably better.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 07:42:47 am
Difficult to compare a 250 and 660 but the Rally wins with fuel consumption, running costs, weight, ability off road (both bikes stock have sub par suspension), 18/21 wheels so wider range of tyres available in theory.
Tenere higher speed cruising ability, can take a pillion but still crappy with stepped seat and I think the Tenere looks better. For taller riders that feels comfortable in the technical stuff on 660Z the Rally would not be an option.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 16, 2018, 08:14:26 am
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...








Dammit now I cant wait anymore.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 16, 2018, 08:17:51 am
Which bike?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 16, 2018, 08:24:42 am
Quote from: teebag on July 16, 2018, 08:17:51 am
Which bike?

 :biggrin: The one this thread is all about
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 16, 2018, 08:29:20 am
get one
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 09:17:18 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 16, 2018, 08:24:42 am
Quote from: teebag on July 16, 2018, 08:17:51 am
Which bike?

 :biggrin: The one this thread is all about
Looking at new or used ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 16, 2018, 09:38:35 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 16, 2018, 08:14:26 am
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...
I should not have ridden that bike...




Dammit now I cant wait anymore.

 :laughing4:
I also made this mistake. I was ignorantly happy with my 650GS until I tried out the little Rally on some mountain bike trails on a Honda demo weekend. I spent 4 months dreaming about the Rally before going ahead with the purchase.

Last Friday I rode my poor GS for the first time in about 2 months. It felt big and cumbersome. It hurt my left wrist (still need ligament surgery). Sure, it has power and a very comfy seat, but that's about it. I thought I would use it more for breakfast rides, long-distance road stretches, etc. But honestly, I don't do those types of rides anymore. I have come to the very sad conclusion that it must go (I had a little cry about this realisation). It needs a home where it will be used.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 09:49:45 am
I know the 250 Rally can take me up difficult terrain much easier than a 650 class bike and it's still very capable on road as a commuter as well (much better than a plated enduro bike). Case closed just a pity they don't sell for perceived  250 type money  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 16, 2018, 09:55:13 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 09:17:18 am
Looking at new or used ?

Probably secondhand or demo.

I'm busy looking for and buying a house, so after that is done I'll start looking in earnest.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: shanti on July 16, 2018, 10:51:27 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 09:49:45 am
I know the 250 Rally can take me up difficult terrain much easier than a 650 class bike and it's still very capable on road as a commuter as well (much better than a plated enduro bike). Case closed just a pity they don't sell for perceived  250 type money  :-\
I own a 250L and a DR650 - the DR is much more fun , feels about the same weight but is able to power out of mud and sand much easier, its a better bike for difficult terrain for me, the 250 just doesn't have that extra push somehow - took a friend riding in the forest here in Knysna on the 250 and the 650 and we went off the roads and into the pine plantations between the trees , the power felt better on the 650 so made it easier to change direction or blast up slopes  - I hope they have fixed the long side stand on the Rally , on the 250L you need to find a small dip to put the stand in . Still have the 250L as its a class bike and very reliable, I use it round the farm but going into the forest the 650 is much easier, going to Baviaans is a no-brainer
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 17, 2018, 12:04:52 pm
See on ADVrider the higher mileage Rally's are now on 50000km. No mechanical issues reported.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 17, 2018, 12:16:59 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 17, 2018, 12:04:52 pm
See on ADVrider the higher mileage Rally's are now on 50000km. No mechanical issues reported.

Lekker, seems that Honda has a winner here.

How does the valve system work? Shim buckets or rocker arms? Prob the former.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 17, 2018, 12:29:02 pm
(https://www.rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/RollerRockerArm.jpg)

(https://www.rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/CamAndValves.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 17, 2018, 12:36:28 pm
Part 14 I assume is the shim that you change (or grind) to adjust valve clearance.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 19, 2018, 08:11:17 am
How do you guys select a contour when you buy Protaper fatbars? There are so many to choose from. When I eventually buy the Rally I'd like to put some fatbars and hand guards on.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on July 19, 2018, 08:37:28 am
The Renthal RC High, part no. 809-01, also seems like a good alternative.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 19, 2018, 08:46:59 am
Still saving for Fatbars but will be CR high's offcourse
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 19, 2018, 09:31:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 19, 2018, 08:46:59 am
Still saving for Fatbars but will be CR high's offcourse

Ok, with or without a 1/2" adaptor? I don't want to end up too high.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 19, 2018, 11:11:31 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 19, 2018, 09:31:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 19, 2018, 08:46:59 am
Still saving for Fatbars but will be CR high's offcourse

Ok, with or without a 1/2" adaptor? I don't want to end up too high.
You will need an adaptor as stock mounts are part of the triple clamp and you cannot remove it. Not sure if you get different heights though.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 19, 2018, 11:18:59 am
The come in 1/2" to 1" roughly. Chinese ones are about $12
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 19, 2018, 06:27:16 pm
Pro Taper SE CR Hi which are almost the same bend/height as the stock bars
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 20, 2018, 08:38:35 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on July 19, 2018, 11:18:59 am
The come in 1/2" to 1" roughly. Chinese ones are about $12
Then I would go 1/2 inch. Stock for me (1.76m) the bars are slightly too low for standing but not so bad that I have to bend down too much. So raisers plus CR high would be just perfect.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 20, 2018, 01:49:39 pm
Not sold on the 2019 colour scheme yet, wonder if we will get them ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 20, 2018, 01:58:23 pm
I agree, make mine red.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 0012 on July 20, 2018, 03:08:50 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 20, 2018, 01:49:39 pm
Not sold on the 2019 colour scheme yet, wonder if we will get them ?

 :o

Lyk soos my ou Bashan   :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 21, 2018, 09:01:20 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 20, 2018, 01:49:39 pm
Not sold on the 2019 colour scheme yet, wonder if we will get them ?

I bought my Rally a.s.a.p. when I saw news of this grey colour scheme. I wanted to make sure I got a red one! I don't like the grey option at all.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 02:06:51 pm
Any idea of adapter prices nowadays ? Looking at the 1/2 inch option. R249 here bit more than likely will take 3 months to get here  ::)

http://www.dx.com/p/22mm-28mm-off-road-motorcycle-bar-clamps-raiser-handlebar-handle-bar-916481431
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 02:15:17 pm
Also supplier for Enduro Engineering handguards ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 29, 2018, 03:59:36 pm
I showed my dad some vids and Gumtree ads of the Rally, and he asked me what it can do that the L can't? Did not really have a good answer besides that it looks awesome and has better wind protection and slightly more feul. What an I missing?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 29, 2018, 05:58:09 pm
Rally has:
- More fuel (10 vs. 7 lit). I consistently get 30-33 km/lit, so 10 lit gets me far.
- Slightly longer suspension travel.
- Bright LED headlights. I've ridden it at night through the Karoo and it was brighter than the lights of an 800GSA with spots!
- Fairings/screen for more wind protection.
- Looks prettier  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on July 30, 2018, 08:02:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 02:15:17 pm
Also supplier for Enduro Engineering handguards ?

http://renz.co.za/shop/

To fit the rally? They don't fit. I went through the effort. Best bet is Zeta handguards. Fit with no bumping and steering goes stop to stop with room to spare.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 30, 2018, 08:07:16 am


Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on Yesterday at 03:59:36 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4102555#msg4102555)>I showed my dad some vids and Gumtree ads of the Rally, and he asked me what it can do that the L can't? Did not really have a good answer besides that it looks awesome and has better wind protection and slightly more feul. What an I missing?  :biggrin:
everything Zanie says is correct - there ARE a number of real advantages that the Rally has...
But an American reviewer reviewed BOTH the Rally and the 'L' around the Rally's launch-time, and did question the Rally from a VALUE proposition; it was 13kg heavier, IIRC, and a LOT more money in their market (and ours...). and he wondered - aloud! - if the 'L' was not the smarter purchase....!
IIRC, the Rally shared the same rear spring (unsure), and he was troubled by the extra 13kg of Rally-weight on an already softish suspension?
Not dissing the Rally - just saying from a VALUE perspective, the reviewer would have bought the 'L', and done a few mods with the saving.
Cheers
Chris



Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 30, 2018, 08:28:07 am
Having spent lots of km's on open DP bikes, wind protection is quite a biggie for me, but that's not easy to understand for someone like my dad that last owned a bike 30 years ago.

It also just looks flippen awesome, the L looks like a plaas bike.

Luckily its not Superten or GSA money, those okes pend more than the difference between the Rally and L on a zorst or a pannier.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 30, 2018, 12:48:32 pm
It looks better and that is worth more than 15k  >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 30, 2018, 12:49:54 pm
Did a 420km ride yesterday
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 30, 2018, 07:00:12 pm
Inspected mine tonight will also need changing sooner than Honda's intervals

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltRODM2npA
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 30, 2018, 08:44:56 pm
Replaced mine at 12k, be sure to get the right part number, can save a few hundred rand
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 31, 2018, 02:19:10 pm
Quote from: teebag on July 30, 2018, 08:44:56 pm
Replaced mine at 12k, be sure to get the right part number, can save a few hundred rand
Should we order the L one ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 31, 2018, 02:48:45 pm
I think so - PN 17220 KZZ 900 fits and is R411.36
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 01, 2018, 08:11:19 am
Mileage on my Rally is now 7300km and my head bearings are notchy already. Hmmm......

Will go to Honda and see if they will cover it under warranty.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 09:11:31 am
@LoopSoosStroop check here R59999-00

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycles-scooters/boksburg/2017-honda-crf250-rally-abs/1002485489480911188638909
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 01, 2018, 09:18:21 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 09:11:31 am
@LoopSoosStroop check here R59999-00

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycles-scooters/boksburg/2017-honda-crf250-rally-abs/1002485489480911188638909

Yes, that's the one I test rode.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 09:21:00 am
Cool the lowest I have seen them priced
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 01, 2018, 09:42:23 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 09:11:31 am
@LoopSoosStroop check here R59999-00

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycles-scooters/boksburg/2017-honda-crf250-rally-abs/1002485489480911188638909

They are the guys I got my bike from. They don't overprice them and their service was very good.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 12:04:37 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 01, 2018, 09:42:23 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 01, 2018, 09:11:31 am
@LoopSoosStroop check here R59999-00

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycles-scooters/boksburg/2017-honda-crf250-rally-abs/1002485489480911188638909

They are the guys I got my bike from. They don't overprice them and their service was very good.
At that price I don't think Honda is making any money  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 01, 2018, 12:42:43 pm
It's two bikes from a training academy, 4000 odd km each, numerous bumps and scrapes. No to be confused with a nice demo or marked down new bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: andrew5336 on August 02, 2018, 01:23:21 pm
Has anybody removed and trimmed the plastic engine cover like that chap in the UK who did the engine swap?

In my mind, removing a bit of weight and plastic is always going to be a win. And then fit one of the available tough plastic bashplates.

Still looking for an all in one integrated tail light with indicators for a tail tidy.

EDIT here's one https://soloracer.com/crfrallyparts.html ... and lots of other epic parts.

Anyone have experience with the full Yoshimura kit like in the pic attached? That's more weight and plastic removed.

I'm only 70kg so this bike really does tick the boxes and wow but I'm pining to get a scoot again.

Those demos for sale @ R 59 995 on Gumtree at the moment would be tempting if I had the cash...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 02, 2018, 01:35:08 pm
Personally I like the look of the plastic body and engine panels of the Rally, I would not change or remove them. To each his own.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 01:38:20 pm
I think Minkyhead made quite nice mods to his Rally but honestly I cant see spending quite a bit of cash on a 250 then go and hack away at stock panels. In the UK you have money to burn and can easily buy a second set to modify then keep the stock ones but for cash strapped SA (sidetrack) not an option. If I did have a second set I would have given it a go. Not to save weight but make it better for the inevitable off, less plastic to scratch and crack. The stock tail is not too bad, another pipe would be nice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 02:05:12 pm
Think he mentioned you can save about 4 inches of width on the back by removing or cutting down on the side panels. Aftermarket silencers are quite a bit slimmer and the stock toolbox can be removed completely.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
Rally owners get to the grease gun asap. Greased my swingarm bolt, front axle bolt and steering stem bearings. The bolts had no grease on them and the bearings so little it's almost worthless. Still need to do the rear wheel axle. I can see why some say they steering feels nothchy after a couple of thousand kays. If I had to remove my front axle bolt in the bush I would have struggled, not rusted but so dry it was not easy to undo. Took about 2.5 hours in total.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on August 03, 2018, 07:56:30 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
Rally owners get to the grease gun asap. Greased my swingarm bolt, front axle bolt and steering stem bearings. The bolts had no grease on them and the bearings so little it's almost worthless. Still need to do the rear wheel axle. I can see why some say they steering feels nothchy after a couple of thousand kays. If I had to remove my front axle bolt in the bush I would have struggled, not rusted but so dry it was not easy to undo. Took about 2.5 hours in total.

Thanks for the heads up sidetrack.  I have a nail stuck in the rear wheel so need to sort that out.  Will do the rest while busy.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 03, 2018, 08:09:35 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
Rally owners get to the grease gun asap. Greased my swingarm bolt, front axle bolt and steering stem bearings. The bolts had no grease on them and the bearings so little it's almost worthless. Still need to do the rear wheel axle. I can see why some say they steering feels nothchy after a couple of thousand kays. If I had to remove my front axle bolt in the bush I would have struggled, not rusted but so dry it was not easy to undo. Took about 2.5 hours in total.

Thx Jacques. I'm sending my bike to Honda next week. The service interval is 12000km or every year, whichever comes first. It's almost a year since the last service and they have to sort out my steering head bearings. They can grease them while they are replacing them. I'll do the axles.

Anybody find a cost effective solution for the rear shock yet?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 03, 2018, 08:34:30 am
Quote from: blauth on August 03, 2018, 08:09:35 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
Rally owners get to the grease gun asap. Greased my swingarm bolt, front axle bolt and steering stem bearings. The bolts had no grease on them and the bearings so little it's almost worthless. Still need to do the rear wheel axle. I can see why some say they steering feels nothchy after a couple of thousand kays. If I had to remove my front axle bolt in the bush I would have struggled, not rusted but so dry it was not easy to undo. Took about 2.5 hours in total.

Thx Jacques. I'm sending my bike to Honda next week. The service interval is 12000km or every year, whichever comes first. It's almost a year since the last service and they have to sort out my steering head bearings. They can grease them while they are replacing them. I'll do the axles.

Anybody find a cost effective solution for the rear shock yet?
Bought mine on 700 / 800 odd km's and they did the 1000km service for me just before I took delivery of the bike. Steering stem bearings a bit fiddly when putting the forks back but everything went well. I see there is no thread on the steering stem just above the C spanner type nut that keeps the bearings in place so I don't think you have to worry about the setup being too loose.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on August 03, 2018, 08:58:08 am
@blauth , despite my promise to get going with the rear shock, moving house unfortunately interfered.  As of next week Tuesday things should be back to normal and I’ll get going again.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 03, 2018, 10:18:48 am
Anyone else get vibrations in the bars at higher speed ? This bike feels really smooth however on my way back from a trip (380km in mind you) my right hand started to take a bit of strain on the open sections. I also think an extra 2 Liters or so capacity would have been nice. I get over 32km/l but with 10L total one still needs to plan to get fuel, not to keen on running a Fi motor on a low level.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 03, 2018, 11:16:03 am
Sidetrack, on my test ride I also noticed vibes in the bars at higher speeds, but still ten times better than my DR or TTR. Option is to fit heavier bar ends and rally style foam grips.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ruger1 on August 05, 2018, 03:18:19 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 03, 2018, 10:18:48 am
Anyone else get vibrations in the bars at higher speed ? This bike feels really smooth however on my way back from a trip (380km in mind you) my right hand started to take a bit of strain on the open sections. I also think an extra 2 Liters or so capacity would have been nice. I get over 32km/l but with 10L total one still needs to plan to get fuel, not to keen on running a Fi motor on a low level.
I did a test ride with the Rally at Honda Canal Walk and no vibration until at about 105/110 km/h then the bars started to vibrate.

They said they would sell me their demo for R 70K cash which was the best deal I could find as the bike is in mint condition with only about 600 km.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on August 05, 2018, 05:15:37 pm
Mine vibrates, also at about 110 km/h - it makes my nose itch riding at that speed!  :lol8:
The vibes disappear at higher or lower speeds (120 km/h gps speed is fine).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 07:44:00 am
Quote from: blauth on August 03, 2018, 08:09:35 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 02, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
Rally owners get to the grease gun asap. Greased my swingarm bolt, front axle bolt and steering stem bearings. The bolts had no grease on them and the bearings so little it's almost worthless. Still need to do the rear wheel axle. I can see why some say they steering feels nothchy after a couple of thousand kays. If I had to remove my front axle bolt in the bush I would have struggled, not rusted but so dry it was not easy to undo. Took about 2.5 hours in total.

Thx Jacques. I'm sending my bike to Honda next week. The service interval is 12000km or every year, whichever comes first. It's almost a year since the last service and they have to sort out my steering head bearings. They can grease them while they are replacing them. I'll do the axles.

Anybody find a cost effective solution for the rear shock yet?
Reckon the Racetech spring I saw on ADVrider still going to be best bang for buck. Need to check if we get it here though.$108 on Ebay
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 07, 2018, 07:57:33 am
Who was on the Rally at 7:20 this morning on the N3 just south of Buccleuch? Bike looking so lekker. Cruising at 110-120 kph true speed.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 11:29:21 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 07, 2018, 07:57:33 am
Who was on the Rally at 7:20 this morning on the N3 just south of Buccleuch? Bike looking so lekker. Cruising at 110-120 kph true speed.
Might have been Intense here on the forum. He commutes everyday. 13000 odd km on his bike now.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ROOI on August 07, 2018, 11:55:08 am
The guys Game services used to do racetech springs  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 03:39:46 pm
@LoopSoosStroop did you buy a Rally ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 07, 2018, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 03:39:46 pm
@LoopSoosStroop did you buy a Rally ?

 :biggrin: Someone is awake!

Yes, one of the training/demo's at East Rand. R59900 licensed and on the road. 3200 km, with some scratches here and there and a slightly rusty chain.

Very chuffed, will prob collect Sat or Mon. Have zero gear though, need to start shopping...

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 06:38:01 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 07, 2018, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 03:39:46 pm
@LoopSoosStroop did you buy a Rally ?

 :biggrin: Someone is awake!

Yes, one of the training/demo's at East Rand. R59900 licensed and on the road. 3200 km, with some scratches here and there and a slightly rusty chain.

Very chuffed, will prob collect Sat or Mon. Have zero gear though, need to start shopping...
Congrats, my chain is rusty too. Think it is a demo thing ! Rally owners are growing.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 06:58:39 pm
Quote from: Zanie on August 05, 2018, 05:15:37 pm
Mine vibrates, also at about 110 km/h - it makes my nose itch riding at that speed!  :lol8:
The vibes disappear at higher or lower speeds (120 km/h gps speed is fine).

 :laughing4: Jy hou die handlebars te styf has! Dis hoekom jy saam begin vibreer! Relax, die bike sal nie onder jou uitspring nie! :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on August 07, 2018, 08:09:05 pm
Quote from: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 06:58:39 pm
Quote from: Zanie on August 05, 2018, 05:15:37 pm
Mine vibrates, also at about 110 km/h - it makes my nose itch riding at that speed!  :lol8:
The vibes disappear at higher or lower speeds (120 km/h gps speed is fine).

 :laughing4: Jy hou die handlebars te styf has! Dis hoekom jy saam begin vibreer! Relax, die bike sal nie onder jou uitspring nie! :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Ek sal probeer relax ;)

Ek wil omtrent mal gaan met hierdie hele gebreekte gewrig en geskeurde ligament storie; van flipping Mei al. Ek was so lank laas op grondpad op my Rally (en kan nou weer nie ry vir ten minste 6 weke nie klink dit na). Ten minste het ek my naam neergesit vir Hardy se April Kaokoland trip. Ek moet nou net besluit watter fiets: die Rally of die CRF230F. Ek leun 'n bietjie oor na die idee van die 230 - ek weet ek kan sand ry met hom. As ek nou nie die dag besluit om gat-oor-kop oor die handlebars te vlieg nie  :-\.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 07, 2018, 08:17:58 pm
Quote from: Zanie on August 07, 2018, 08:09:05 pm
Quote from: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 06:58:39 pm
Quote from: Zanie on August 05, 2018, 05:15:37 pm
Mine vibrates, also at about 110 km/h - it makes my nose itch riding at that speed!  :lol8:
The vibes disappear at higher or lower speeds (120 km/h gps speed is fine).

 :laughing4: Jy hou die handlebars te styf has! Dis hoekom jy saam begin vibreer! Relax, die bike sal nie onder jou uitspring nie! :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Ek sal probeer relax ;)

Ek wil omtrent mal gaan met hierdie hele gebreekte gewrig en geskeurde ligament storie; van flipping Mei al. Ek was so lank laas op grondpad op my Rally (en kan nou weer nie ry vir ten minste 6 weke nie klink dit na). Ten minste het ek my naam neergesit vir Hardy se April Kaokoland trip. Ek moet nou net besluit watter fiets: die Rally of die CRF230F. Ek leun 'n bietjie oor na die idee van die 230 - ek weet ek kan sand ry met hom. As ek nou nie die dag besluit om gat-oor-kop oor die handlebars te vlieg nie  :-\.

Zanie maak net seker by Hardy of jy die 230 oor die grens kan vat. Mens kan soos ek dit het net n bike deur die grenspos vat vat gerigistreerd is - jy moet moes registrasie papiere saam ingee. Dink jy sal die Rally moet vat maar hulle behoort sand dieselfde te kan ry. Beide lig en 21 duim voorwiel - beste is maar om te gaan oefen.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on August 07, 2018, 10:31:53 pm
TVB: My 230 is pedigree - hy't sy papiere. Was mos 'n famous resies fiets - of so sê ek vir myself ;). Ek het deur die hele transfer of ownership proses gegaan, maar nou's ek baie bly daaroor! So hy sal oor die grens kan gaan. Blykbaar is die padwaardigheid storie nie iets waaroor hulle te veel uitvra in die boendoes nie. Ek's seker die spietkops sal hulself vaskyk in die pienk en sommer vergeet om daaroor te vra! Paar fodies onder.

Ek is net bekommerd oor sand ry met die Rally. Ek ken hom nog nie goed genoeg nie (en kan op die oomblik nie oefen nie - gewrig is in pleister) en hy's heelwat swaarder (met so 40 kg). Lance vertel dat weens die Rally se snaakse suspensie, hy makliker in die duine ry met sy 800GSA as die Rally, maar dalk is hy ook net 'n bietjie mal. Die Rally is definitief myle beter as my ou 650GS in die sand! Maar waar ek met sand nog moet konsentreer op die Rally, is dit maklik met die 230.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 10:40:46 pm
Ride the bike that gives you the most confidence in technical terrain
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 08, 2018, 09:13:03 am
I had all kinds of ideas about mods that I'd like to do to the Rally, but I've changed my mind. I'm going to leave it stock standard save for foam grips and bar end weights.  I'll probably butcher the clutch lever as well for two finger use. It really does not need anything else for my purposes.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grappa on August 08, 2018, 09:26:48 am
I would suggest that you replace the flimsy plastic hand guards with something more robust. You'll thank me later
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on August 08, 2018, 10:20:22 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 08, 2018, 09:13:03 am
I had all kinds of ideas about mods that I'd like to do to the Rally, but I've changed my mind. I'm going to leave it stock standard save for foam grips and bar end weights.  I'll probably butcher the clutch lever as well for two finger use. It really does not need anything else for my purposes.

Howzit Stroop! What make are the standard tyres on the Rally, and is it any good for the guys traveling Africa? Mileage?

@maria41 and her husband are looking for tyres. They are busy with an Africa travel..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on August 08, 2018, 10:22:21 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 10:40:46 pm
Ride the bike that gives you the most confidence in technical terrain

The same tyre question please!..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on August 08, 2018, 11:22:01 am
The bike came out with IRC tyres. I love mine. And would have replaced them with the same if they were available in RSA but they are not. I am on 13k km and rear must still be good for another 2 or 3 thou. Front maybe 50%
I mostly commute with my bike but I am also not scared taking it anywhere deep into the bush and have ridden deep sand with those IRC's and they are just fine. This is by far the cheapest to run bike I have ever owned and I love it just for that reason.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 08, 2018, 11:31:16 am
Quote from: Grappa on August 08, 2018, 09:26:48 am
I would suggest that you replace the flimsy plastic hand guards with something more robust. You'll thank me later

Nah, not going to use it as an enduro bike. Anyways, even if I did, Graham Jarvis doesn't use them....  :ricky:

Quote from: Fransw on August 08, 2018, 10:20:22 am
Howzit Stroop! What make are the standard tyres on the Rally, and is it any good for the guys traveling Africa? Mileage?
@maria41 and her husband are looking for tyres. They are busy with an Africa travel..

Not too sure, something IRC I think. They are pretty skinny though, surely helps with the frugal consumption. The rear tyre on mine is pretty worn for 3200 km.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 08, 2018, 12:30:45 pm
IRCs are good, and last forever - cant get replacements here.

I am running D606 now 2nd front, 1st rear, and they are done. Going to stick with it on the rear and try a TKC on the front.

The problem in the rear is a too wide a tyre fouls the tool box.  My 606 is 120 as the 130 would not fit, however it is wider and taller than the IRC 120 (more aggressive tread pattern)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 0012 on August 08, 2018, 02:03:37 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 08, 2018, 09:13:03 am
I had all kinds of ideas about mods that I'd like to do to the Rally, but I've changed my mind. I'm going to leave it stock standard save for foam grips and bar end weights.  I'll probably butcher the clutch lever as well for two finger use. It really does not need anything else for my purposes.

Lekker LSS!
Baie geluk, en veilige myle   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 08, 2018, 04:27:53 pm
Wonder what the IRC's would cost locally if they were brought in, surely cheaper than 606 or MT21 ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 08, 2018, 04:28:52 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 08, 2018, 09:13:03 am
I had all kinds of ideas about mods that I'd like to do to the Rally, but I've changed my mind. I'm going to leave it stock standard save for foam grips and bar end weights.  I'll probably butcher the clutch lever as well for two finger use. It really does not need anything else for my purposes.
Said no DS biker ever  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 08, 2018, 05:25:52 pm
606 not expensive

10k km (on the right in case you were unsure)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180808/dc429d45a70f7515eda2bcfc9c7f11af.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 10, 2018, 12:28:00 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 08, 2018, 05:25:52 pm
606 not expensive

10k km (on the right in case you were unsure)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180808/dc429d45a70f7515eda2bcfc9c7f11af.jpg)
Looks about right on a 650 you get about 6000km on a 606.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on August 11, 2018, 12:08:21 pm
My 606 rears usually look like that at around 3000 but that’s on a 690 with an unsympathetic pilot.


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 15, 2018, 09:47:44 am
I've only done about 30 km on mine, including the two test rides. Standing at work now keeping the Foz company. Need to get out to buy some proper gear.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LkN35kGbllQmXlXMkT2aUScwwj-kornLRGhNB22WqKROd1oBeoMjFy4g2BhFsBr1L33I3lugm_oQKQXuS8wW8V6ZQ3vWgCYQBqkNM0TXRYRcI1cJF7XSUJ-ZrRxXbd2aqWosxhDr_KZ5xWgrHNBlfqub2kIlYXTGG2zTcbu_Q1ctlziKkd7wb3yxYKVB3a_6vlKHMMrtH_-htK3cnhQD2hDuDp7jYZAGGEw2eHml-v7_ABq45P2mFTZQ0GiRiTslRN8yVKwGhC2GwOqkoluJookpzUr6ZHVClluyUpSarJCq1kUioW17EuO5hNQrzquc7vc1WrzPw7qe5V2chM5xSVxfmvEUpxAJSYVv2U9pwlSDOafN3kvfDIcxuIXWpZxw1HNP_L-HnQetqcJGyrMWy99Qkfs2z-73mLAmURjmCz97lY77CbDU1rM-nCZs0kNJBpa_QRnkq3Fi4FBVPwkhpi-rxfpiTv23VGXB0XkMHmTjvHO6HyKHL_NCVhfowUscWFeS7hhLGqDWFgRS716uN_W-Ha8EwPoPHsROBY7iMuUkii_He4AxmkmFBuVDCtJFTiDcoL9yL3OX8WCpZ9dmaOPjFZzEJV2nxI-W8lU=w948-h725-no)

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 15, 2018, 09:57:36 am
Looks so clean
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180815/41aef750e940314c8ff4bcfe9a952e89.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 16, 2018, 08:58:03 am
Ashamed to say I have also only done about 2000km in 4 months of ownership, works gets in the way then just as the weekend approaches it's kids parties or someone birthday  :-\ But it's nice to know when you want to ride just thumb the starter and you are off.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 20, 2018, 09:19:44 am
Gear bought and done two work-home-work trips on the N3.

Notes:

 - I've forgotten how much the wind can beat you up on a bike. Neck muscles need conditioning again. Also need earplugs, helmet is very noisy. The Rally's wind protection is great compared to a open TTR, but it's not a Goldwing or 1200GS.
- Max indicated speed reached 138 kmph downhill...   :ricky:
- Bike is very quiet, cars don't hear you coming in traffic.

Are there any decent locally available and affordable pipe options for the Rally?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on August 20, 2018, 11:05:26 am
Interesting bits here on loud pipes: http://canadamotoguide.com/2016/07/29/the-truth-about-loud-pipes/

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The theory is, loud pipes automatically make the rider safer, because car drivers can hear there is a motorcycle present and will therefore drive more cautiously. However, the Doppler Effect mutes this.
...
In other words, the deep, throaty roar of loud pipes isn’t really very deep or throaty until the vehicle has passed the listener.

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Now, consider the definitive Motorcycle Accidents In-Depth Study (MAIDS) (http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS2.pdf) from Europe, in which researchers found the vast majority of motorcycle collisions come from the front of the bike.

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Prolonged exposure to noise can have very dangerous effects on a motorcycle rider.

Hearing loss will reduce your ability to perceive audible danger signs (sirens, mechanical problems, or vehicles in close proximity), and will also reduce your concentration (according to the US Dept. of Labor (https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/noisehearingconservation/)), as well as impair your “performance in spatial attention” due to background noise, according to this US government study from 2006 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484145).

This isn’t top-secret information. Riders have known about noise fatigue for years, which is why helmets like Schuberth’s C3 Pro or HJC’s RPHA Max are popular with touring riders: they greatly reduce in-helmet noise. Even if they don’t have pricey helmets, many riders at least wear earplugs when riding. So if safety experts inside and outside the motorcycle world know that loud noise can actually increase the risk of danger, why subject yourself to the blast of loud pipes?

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Some riders will still believe they avoided a crash when a car heard their exhaust, and maybe that really did happen. But North America’s best-known study on motorcycle safety, the 1981 Hurt Report, found  motorcycles with loud pipes were not less likely to be involved in crashes — if anything, they were a little more likely to crash. As the report states on page 421:

“The modified exhaust system was typical of many accident-involved motorcycles, and also typical of many motorcycles observed during exposure data collection. The modified exhaust is overrepresented in these data, but not with high significance.”

If you read the MAIDS report, nowhere in that report’s findings does it recommend loud pipes for safety. Instead, on Page 98: “The ability of the PTW (Powered Two Wheeler) rider to see and be seen is a critical element of PTW safety. As mentioned above, the largest number of PTW accidents is due to a perception failure on the part of the OV (Other Vehicles) driver or the PTW rider. The vehicle operator failed to see a PTW or OV.  It then states outright that “The use of the PTW headlamp has been recognised as an aid to conspicuity,” but nowhere does it make a similar statement about loud pipes.

In other words, riders need to make sure car drivers can see them by turning on their headlight, not by turning up their pipes.

I'd keep with the standard one for a couple of reasons: (1) Reduce noise fatigue, (2) lower fuel consumption than performance pipe, and (3) you might not be noticed sneaking down a back road where maybe you shouldn't be.

Key findings from the Hurt Report are quite interesting and can be found here: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 20, 2018, 11:44:35 am
Thanks Zanie, interesting reading...

So where can I get a pipe?  ;D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BikerJan on August 20, 2018, 11:50:44 am
Have anyone done a flicker upgrade to LED's?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 20, 2018, 11:55:21 am
I can say for sure cars in front of me are certainty more aware when I have the louder pipe fitted to my bikes.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 20, 2018, 11:55:54 am
Quote from: BikerJan on August 20, 2018, 11:50:44 am
Have anyone done a flicker upgrade to LED's?
The local bikes are LED
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BikerJan on August 20, 2018, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 20, 2018, 11:55:54 am
Quote from: BikerJan on August 20, 2018, 11:50:44 am
Have anyone done a flicker upgrade to LED's?
The local bikes are LED

Apologies, posted in the wrong thread, I have the normal crf 250 l, 2012 model
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2018, 07:22:07 am
This isn't a rant or a bitch, just an autobiography of my life yesterday....

The mileage on my bike is 8200km but in order to keep the warranty in tact, it's due for the annual service. The warranty I need because the head bearings are notchy which I want Honda to sort out under warranty.

After unsuccessfully being able to get Honda Centurion on the phone on Saturday morning, I begrudgingly decided to drop it off at Cayene Honda Kyalami. Whilst booking it in I was pleasantly surprised that they had a check sheet where they go over the bike, check for existing damage and essentially make up a job card. Whilst checking in, the lady informs me that, should I not accept their quote, I'll be charged R627.00. I can however decline certain parts of I like if they quote on a new tyre, etc. She then proceeds to inform me that I have 48 hours to collect my bike, failing which, I'll be charged R250.00 per day for storage. OK, then.....  The arrangement was to collect the bike Monday afternoon.

I'm contacted Monday morning and quote is R1835.00 for oil service only and they can find nothing wrong with my neck bearings. Having gotten out of bed on the wrong side already, this put me in an even fouler mood but what choice do I have, I don't want to void the warranty. So I accept the quote and ask them to put it in writing that they can't find fault with the neck bearings which they duelly do. I also ask that the workshop manager demonstrate to me how they determined there was no problem.

Anyway, I arrive at 15:00 to collect my bike. I see my bike in the wash bay so I think to myself, "good timing". As I sit down at the service reception, the workshop manager comes to me and this is how the conversation goes:

Workshop Manager:- "I checked your neck bearings and there is a very slight notch so I've spoken to Honda and we're going to replace under warranty".
Me:- "Ok, so why did I get an email from you guys earlier saying you couldn't find fault with the neck bearings?"
Workshop Manager:- "Ja, my mechanic checked it earlier and said it was fine but then I double checked it and found it to be faulty."
Me:- "Ok, I'll bring it back next week, is that ok....." And so that part of the conversation ended.

So I get up expecting them to bring the bike out since I can't see it in the wash bay anymore. 10 minutes, nothing. So I go ask if they are bringing my bike. The service lady informs me that it's going through a final check and a test ride. Ok, I'll browse about the shop a bit. Whilst doing so, I'm checking out the awesome Beta bikes and making small talk to the salesman. The oke I'm talking to is pleasant (not all that knowledgeable about the bikes) but he informs me he joined recently from car sales but he'll grab the manual if I need to know anything. Nice guy. The conversation was great until his cock sure colleague joins the conversation at which point I mention that their bikes are competitively priced compared to the equivalent KTM or Husky. Anyway, cocksure proceeds to slag off KTM and the KTM dealer network...including RAD. I didn't say anything but in my mind, I'm thinking..."what a wanker...go away and let me chat in peace to your colleague."

45 minutes later, I ask again, "Where's my bike?" ... "They are just finishing off now." 10 minutes later my bike emerges and they help me load it onto my bakkie. Thankfully I notice the key isn't there and it hasn't been given to me. So the oke scampers off, back to the workshop and sheepishly presents my key.

Anyway, I rush off to grab a beer with my mate and when I get to the pub I'm looking at the boney on the back of my van and happen to check under the sump. I notice the sump is full of oil. That's a bit strange, why all the oil after the clean.

This is what I think really happened:

I arrived unannounced at 15:00. They hadn't started working on the bike. The workshop manager, having already spoken to the service lady, knew I'd asked for the neck bearing test, runs off to check the bearing and goes, "oh shit, the customer is here for his bike and we haven't started the service yet, stall him". He checks neck bearing quickly and comes to the conclusion that they are in fact notchy and bullshit story is spun whilst mad panic servicing ensues to service my bike while I'm browsing.

All I can say is that my expectations were met.  :eek7:

Round 2 next week with the neck bearing replacement. I'll post a pic of the quote later.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 21, 2018, 07:30:55 am
Eish!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 21, 2018, 07:49:42 am
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 07:22:07 am
Cayene Honda Kyalami.

I would not go near that place with a bike of mine. They are quickly going under ATM. You'll drop off your bike and next day everything will be gone.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on August 21, 2018, 07:59:00 am
I agree with LoopSoosStroop. I would not go back there.
Blauth you have just confirmed that I made the right choice to ignore the warranty and doing my own servicing from day one on my Rally. If my head bearing starts feeling dry I shall just press it out, clean it and re grease myself at zero cost. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 08:10:29 am
Quote from: Intense on August 21, 2018, 07:59:00 am
I agree with LoopSoosStroop. I would not go back there.
Blauth you have just confirmed that I made the right choice to ignore the warranty and doing my own servicing from day one on my Rally. If my head bearing starts feeling dry I shall just press it out, clean it and re grease myself at zero cost.
I agree a dealership will never see me again. Will gladly take the 30mins it takes to service the bikes properly at home and stamp my own book. I even greased my own head bearings and managed to do it in 2 hours from start to finish.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 21, 2018, 08:17:43 am
@Hardy de Kock
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 08:25:54 am
Sadly.. it seems to be a problem with a few Honda dealerships.
Since my AT had its run in service, it just didnt feel quite right and gearchanges especially got worse.
I drained the oil at 6k and the stuff that came out of the motor was just shocking. That was either still the original oil or cheap motor oil. Stinky black oil that reminded me of diesel oil that hasnt been changed in ages.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:42:13 am
Quote from: Zanie on August 20, 2018, 11:05:26 am
Interesting bits here on loud pipes: http://canadamotoguide.com/2016/07/29/the-truth-about-loud-pipes/

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The theory is, loud pipes automatically make the rider safer, because car drivers can hear there is a motorcycle present and will therefore drive more cautiously. However, the Doppler Effect mutes this.
...
In other words, the deep, throaty roar of loud pipes isn’t really very deep or throaty until the vehicle has passed the listener.

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Now, consider the definitive Motorcycle Accidents In-Depth Study (MAIDS) (http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS2.pdf) from Europe, in which researchers found the vast majority of motorcycle collisions come from the front of the bike.

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Prolonged exposure to noise can have very dangerous effects on a motorcycle rider.

Hearing loss will reduce your ability to perceive audible danger signs (sirens, mechanical problems, or vehicles in close proximity), and will also reduce your concentration (according to the US Dept. of Labor (https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/noisehearingconservation/)), as well as impair your “performance in spatial attention” due to background noise, according to this US government study from 2006 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484145).

This isn’t top-secret information. Riders have known about noise fatigue for years, which is why helmets like Schuberth’s C3 Pro or HJC’s RPHA Max are popular with touring riders: they greatly reduce in-helmet noise. Even if they don’t have pricey helmets, many riders at least wear earplugs when riding. So if safety experts inside and outside the motorcycle world know that loud noise can actually increase the risk of danger, why subject yourself to the blast of loud pipes?

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Some riders will still believe they avoided a crash when a car heard their exhaust, and maybe that really did happen. But North America’s best-known study on motorcycle safety, the 1981 Hurt Report, found  motorcycles with loud pipes were not less likely to be involved in crashes — if anything, they were a little more likely to crash. As the report states on page 421:

“The modified exhaust system was typical of many accident-involved motorcycles, and also typical of many motorcycles observed during exposure data collection. The modified exhaust is overrepresented in these data, but not with high significance.”

If you read the MAIDS report, nowhere in that report’s findings does it recommend loud pipes for safety. Instead, on Page 98: “The ability of the PTW (Powered Two Wheeler) rider to see and be seen is a critical element of PTW safety. As mentioned above, the largest number of PTW accidents is due to a perception failure on the part of the OV (Other Vehicles) driver or the PTW rider. The vehicle operator failed to see a PTW or OV.  It then states outright that “The use of the PTW headlamp has been recognised as an aid to conspicuity,” but nowhere does it make a similar statement about loud pipes.

In other words, riders need to make sure car drivers can see them by turning on their headlight, not by turning up their pipes.

I'd keep with the standard one for a couple of reasons: (1) Reduce noise fatigue, (2) lower fuel consumption than performance pipe, and (3) you might not be noticed sneaking down a back road where maybe you shouldn't be.

Key findings from the Hurt Report are quite interesting and can be found here: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html

My personal experience with loud pipes and cars is that it makes very little difference (except when filtering through standstill traffic) however where it makes a big difference without question is with pedestrians.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Other than the head bearing, they certainly won't be seeing me again. In fact, the neck bearing is the only reason I've gone down this road....and I'm thinking it would have been cheaper, less irritating and probably better quality of service if I do it myself. Here is the quote:

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 10:50:43 am
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:42:13 am

My personal experience with loud pipes and cars is that it makes very little difference (except when filtering through standstill traffic) however where it makes a big difference without question is with pedestrians.

I commuted about 140km a day for 2 years, both on the bike and in the car. And I can honestly say, sitting in slow traffic you dont hear the bike until its right next to you. Loud pipe or not. Makes no difference in my opinion.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 01:23:48 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Other than the head bearing, they certainly won't be seeing me again. In fact, the neck bearing is the only reason I've gone down this road....and I'm thinking it would have been cheaper, less irritating and probably better quality of service if I do it myself. Here is the quote:
The price is fair I think, not much markup on those parts and they still need to make some money to stay in business but poor workmanship cant be excused.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on August 21, 2018, 02:05:09 pm
Honda Tygerberg charged me just below R1000 for the first oil service and R1200 for an extra oil service after our Kaokoland trip where they did some additional checks as well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2018, 02:31:58 pm
Quote from: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 10:50:43 am
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:42:13 am

My personal experience with loud pipes and cars is that it makes very little difference (except when filtering through standstill traffic) however where it makes a big difference without question is with pedestrians.

I commuted about 140km a day for 2 years, both on the bike and in the car. And I can honestly say, sitting in slow traffic you dont hear the bike until its right next to you. Loud pipe or not. Makes no difference in my opinion.

Agreed, the only time it's beneficial (other than like I said before with pedestrians) is when the gap is just too small and the oke hears you next to him, then if he's a nice guy (which happens often), he moves over just a little to get past. I've been commuting on a bike for roughly 15+ years and this has been my general feeling.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 21, 2018, 02:40:30 pm
R1055 for 1st service (oil change and check)

R941 for 2nd, done myself (oil change and check, including new air filter)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 02:42:10 pm
Loud pipe on a thumper especially on long distance is just plain irritating. The FMF on Teebags Rally does look the business though and I'm sure it is not too loud, local I don't know you may pay less but it's going to be loud me thinks.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 02:42:10 pm
Loud pipe on a thumper especially on long distance is just plain irritating. The FMF on Teebags Rally does look the business though and I'm sure it is not too loud, local I don't know you may pay less but it's going to be loud me thinks.

Or try a XR400 with a gutted pipe.. its not pleasant in any shape or from
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 21, 2018, 02:48:00 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 02:42:10 pm
Loud pipe on a thumper especially on long distance is just plain irritating. The FMF on Teebags Rally does look the business though and I'm sure it is not too loud, local I don't know you may pay less but it's going to be loud me thinks.
It is the Q4 with the spark arrestor installed, and it sounds perfect - I tried without and it is unbearable and reduces power
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180821/a00844e497aa01bf73fac6586eba1246.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on August 21, 2018, 02:49:24 pm
Quote from: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
Or try a XR400 with a gutted pipe.. its not pleasant in any shape or from

Indeed!! There is a guy plonking around in Durbanville on one, awful noise... :dousing:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 02:53:26 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on August 21, 2018, 02:49:24 pm
Quote from: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
Or try a XR400 with a gutted pipe.. its not pleasant in any shape or from

Indeed!! There is a guy plonking around in Durbanville on one, awful noise... :dousing:

haha hope it wasnt me. One of the reasons Im not riding it much at the moment
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 02:54:49 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 21, 2018, 02:48:00 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 02:42:10 pm
Loud pipe on a thumper especially on long distance is just plain irritating. The FMF on Teebags Rally does look the business though and I'm sure it is not too loud, local I don't know you may pay less but it's going to be loud me thinks.
It is the Q4 with the spark arrestor installed, and it sounds perfect - I tried without and it is unbearable and reduces power
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180821/a00844e497aa01bf73fac6586eba1246.jpg)
That is the one to get I also had a Q4 on my DRZ and it was perfect
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on August 21, 2018, 02:55:26 pm
Quote from: Mpandla on August 21, 2018, 02:53:26 pm
haha hope it wasnt me. One of the reasons Im not riding it much at the moment

 :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 21, 2018, 02:55:46 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 21, 2018, 02:48:00 pm
It is the Q4 with the spark arrestor installed, and it sounds perfect - I tried without and it is unbearable and reduces power

teebag, how much are those and where did you get it? Slip on or full system?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 03:22:02 pm
I see quite a few cracked lower fairing mounts and panels on ADVrider so don't crash  >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on August 21, 2018, 03:29:03 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 03:22:02 pm
I see quite a few cracked lower fairing mounts and panels on ADVrider so don't crash  >:D

 :lol8: I crashed about 20 times in Kaokoland. Once ramped a boulder and another time nearly flipped the bike (probably screwed any decent resale now... :patch:). Most cases, lots of scratches. Worst cases, broken off starter button and indicators, and broken tab at bottom of fairing most likely due to my boot stuck below it and the sand. Glued the tab back on with superglue.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 21, 2018, 04:35:37 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 21, 2018, 02:55:46 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 21, 2018, 02:48:00 pm
It is the Q4 with the spark arrestor installed, and it sounds perfect - I tried without and it is unbearable and reduces power

teebag, how much are those and where did you get it? Slip on or full system?
Local from MXalliance, the Q4 is a little more expensive, and due to a mix up, I paid for the powercore and then the difference for the Q4, I think it ended up about R7.5k - slip-on only.  Didn't bother with the power or mega bomb (front pipe) as research said it had little benefit for the price.  Get a quote from MXalliance and chat to me before you buy.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on August 21, 2018, 04:51:03 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 01:23:48 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Other than the head bearing, they certainly won't be seeing me again. In fact, the neck bearing is the only reason I've gone down this road....and I'm thinking it would have been cheaper, less irritating and probably better quality of service if I do it myself. Here is the quote:
The price is fair I think, not much markup on those parts and they still need to make some money to stay in business but poor workmanship cant be excused.

Jacques, the way I see it, I expected it to be quite a bit of money so this isn't a major shocker for me, it's kinda expected. It does however irritate me when the little incremental excesses like the 2.5 litres instead of the required 1.8 litres (or two because it comes in 1 litre bottles), the 1.5 hours instead of a require 1 hour. The dishonesty and generally poor service irritates me mostly.

You know I was thinking. The incidentals costs used to irritate me too but then I got to thinking about it differently. In order to work on these machines, tools are required, sometimes specialized tools. Tools have wear and tare and require replacing from time to time so I consider some sort of an 'incidentals' cost to be reasonable as a cost of service.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 22, 2018, 08:55:17 am
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 04:51:03 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 01:23:48 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Other than the head bearing, they certainly won't be seeing me again. In fact, the neck bearing is the only reason I've gone down this road....and I'm thinking it would have been cheaper, less irritating and probably better quality of service if I do it myself. Here is the quote:
The price is fair I think, not much markup on those parts and they still need to make some money to stay in business but poor workmanship cant be excused.

Jacques, the way I see it, I expected it to be quite a bit of money so this isn't a major shocker for me, it's kinda expected. It does however irritate me when the little incremental excesses like the 2.5 litres instead of the required 1.8 litres (or two because it comes in 1 litre bottles), the 1.5 hours instead of a require 1 hour. The dishonesty and generally poor service irritates me mostly.

You know I was thinking. The incidentals costs used to irritate me too but then I got to thinking about it differently. In order to work on these machines, tools are required, sometimes specialized tools. Tools have wear and tare and require replacing from time to time so I consider some sort of an 'incidentals' cost to be reasonable as a cost of service.
Yes looking at it now why 2.5L if the bike only takes 1.8L (2L obviously to be opened)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 22, 2018, 09:48:28 am
Quote from: teebag on August 21, 2018, 04:35:37 pm
Local from MXalliance, the Q4 is a little more expensive, and due to a mix up, I paid for the powercore and then the difference for the Q4, I think it ended up about R7.5k - slip-on only.  Didn't bother with the power or mega bomb (front pipe) as research said it had little benefit for the price.  Get a quote from MXalliance and chat to me before you buy.

Ok, thanks. Seems I'm not getting one.... $$$

Looks lekker though!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 23, 2018, 03:02:18 pm
Rally taking the rough stuff in it's stride. See many removing the dodgy toolbox all together

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 23, 2018, 03:06:58 pm
Tail tidy looks good on this bike  :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 23, 2018, 03:38:22 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on May 03, 2018, 01:03:45 pm
as a starting point, we have THREE solutions for carrying luggage on the Rally:


1. CRF 250 Rally luggage rack, with built-in grab handles...


2. the Honda CRF 250 L rack/pannier rack combo that we THINK will bolt up to the Rally...


3. And we have an order in with Rockfox for 2 x sets of CRF 250 RALLY pannier racks... pics to follow...


More later, shout if you have questions.
Chris & team
Hello Chris
Please PM me a price on the north south rack as per picture. The one Zanie has as well. Might finally be in the position to buy an accessory for my Rally and the rack is first option :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 28, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
I'm still feeling a bit out of form on the Rally, need to learn how to ride bike again. Going from Randpark to Bedfordview through town is quite a tough learning curve, lots of cars ek sê.  Also got lost twice, but at least I'm seeing the JHB sights.

What's happening on yours?

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 28, 2018, 03:23:48 pm
Took it on a date(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180828/275ecfafa717fe8e2db7d67733ee1cc0.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 28, 2018, 04:30:49 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 28, 2018, 03:23:48 pm
Took it on a date(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180828/275ecfafa717fe8e2db7d67733ee1cc0.jpg)
Luckily not to Starbucks  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 29, 2018, 09:06:00 am
My Wolfman expedition bags is coming back to me, need to setup luggage again. I want to go and tour.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on August 30, 2018, 05:32:25 pm
Howzit Dogs,

Sorry to fall in on your thread so unannounced. Hope to get some feedback. I am looking at buying a Rally for my son, but don't know if this is the right bike to put a youngster on as a first bike. He is 16 years old and I feel that a 125 is just not the bike for him. He will not be given the bike to be riding on public roads and to school as I know according to law he can only ride a 125cc he will only be using it when we do some adventure riding and under my supervision. He is 1.74 m and weighs in at approx 65kg so he is a real maar gat. I have to sign for the bike tomorrow and any feedback would be appreciated.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 30, 2018, 06:21:26 pm
Quote from: Aaklige Attie on August 30, 2018, 05:32:25 pm
Howzit Dogs,

Sorry to fall in on your thread so unannounced. Hope to get some feedback. I am looking at buying a Rally for my son, but don't know if this is the right bike to put a youngster on as a first bike. He is 16 years old and I feel that a 125 is just not the bike for him. He will not be given the bike to be riding on public roads and to school as I know according to law he can only ride a 125cc he will only be using it when we do some adventure riding and under my supervision. He is 1.74 m and weighs in at approx 65kg so he is a real maar gat. I have to sign for the bike tomorrow and any feedback would be appreciated.
I think he will be happy with it
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Fransw on August 30, 2018, 07:14:10 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 30, 2018, 06:21:26 pm
Quote from: Aaklige Attie on August 30, 2018, 05:32:25 pm
Howzit Dogs,

Sorry to fall in on your thread so unannounced. Hope to get some feedback. I am looking at buying a Rally for my son, but don't know if this is the right bike to put a youngster on as a first bike. He is 16 years old and I feel that a 125 is just not the bike for him. He will not be given the bike to be riding on public roads and to school as I know according to law he can only ride a 125cc he will only be using it when we do some adventure riding and under my supervision. He is 1.74 m and weighs in at approx 65kg so he is a real maar gat. I have to sign for the bike tomorrow and any feedback would be appreciated.
I think he will be happy with it

Your son will be very happy,believe me!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 30, 2018, 08:59:34 pm
Dream bike for a 16 year old!

I'm 32 and I'm pretty chuffed with mine...  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 01, 2018, 07:40:39 am
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 04:51:03 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 21, 2018, 01:23:48 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Other than the head bearing, they certainly won't be seeing me again. In fact, the neck bearing is the only reason I've gone down this road....and I'm thinking it would have been cheaper, less irritating and probably better quality of service if I do it myself. Here is the quote:
The price is fair I think, not much markup on those parts and they still need to make some money to stay in business but poor workmanship cant be excused.

Jacques, the way I see it, I expected it to be quite a bit of money so this isn't a major shocker for me, it's kinda expected. It does however irritate me when the little incremental excesses like the 2.5 litres instead of the required 1.8 litres (or two because it comes in 1 litre bottles), the 1.5 hours instead of a require 1 hour. The dishonesty and generally poor service irritates me mostly.

You know I was thinking. The incidentals costs used to irritate me too but then I got to thinking about it differently. In order to work on these machines, tools are required, sometimes specialized tools. Tools have wear and tare and require replacing from time to time so I consider some sort of an 'incidentals' cost to be reasonable as a cost of service.

So after the initial fuckaround, I had arranged with Cayene to bring my bike for steering head bearing on Monday 27 August with them needing to contact me to confirm they had the bearing before I bring the bike in. Monday afternoon I phone and Rual, the workshop manager says he needs to phone me back after he checks if the bearing is in stock. He phones back a bit later saying they don't have the outer races (do the inner and outer space have different part numbers? This is possible as with the older ball bearing types like Yamahas have). Anyway, he was gonna get back to me again to let me know when I could bring my bike in. Yesterday, after not hearing from them, I call again. The response "oh, I sent you an SMS from the system. The bearings will be here on the 10th September". Needless to say, no SMS was received. Anyway, we see what happens on 10th September.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: wilfwalk on September 05, 2018, 11:18:56 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 30, 2018, 08:59:34 pm
Dream bike for a 16 year old!

I'm 32 and I'm pretty chuffed with mine...  :ricky:

I'm 63 and very happy with mine, but don't get to ride it enough !  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 05, 2018, 12:31:50 pm
Second fill-up this morning:

264.6 km - 7.76 lt -> 34.09 kmpl   :o

One tank does not a miracle make, let me see how it averages out over 5 or so. Will take a while though....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 05, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 05, 2018, 12:31:50 pm
Second fill-up this morning:

264.6 km - 7.76 lt -> 34.09 kmpl   :o

One tank does not a miracle make, let me see how it averages out over 5 or so. Will take a while though....

Did you get out of second gear?    :pot:    :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 05, 2018, 06:18:24 pm
Would not have mind a 13L or so tank, even with the good consumption 10L is too small for places like Kalahari and Namibia. Yes I'll take the bike there. Dont like those fuel packs you need to stral to the bike somewhere. Oh Yamaha why did you never bring the WR250R. You can get 17L tanks for them. The Yanks and Ozzies ride them everywhere and love them to bits.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on September 05, 2018, 10:05:01 pm
On average, over the past 5000km, I get 31 km/lit. The 10 lit tank is really not a limiting factor for me. When riding through Tankwa (Old Postal Route), I just filled up two x 1.5 lit water bottles with fuel and strapped them to the outside of my bag. Viola! Range increased by 90km easy-peasy. Why have a nice, nimble bike laden with heavy fuel for the one or two times per year you need increased range?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 05, 2018, 10:23:01 pm
I wouldn't mind a slightly bigger tank so I can see a week through with one fill up. At the moment I get to work and back 3.5 times. But this is my personal need. I get Zanie's point too. I've been thinking if I ever commit to my Rally, that perhaps I'll ditch the tool box and build a 5l tank where the tool box was.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2018, 08:13:47 am
Quote from: blauth on September 05, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
Did you get out of second gear?    :pot:    :peepwall:

All the way to 6th and 70 kmph yes  ;D  .... bike is geared really short.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 07, 2018, 08:20:31 am
KY has more traction than a semi-worn IRC rear at 2+ bars...  :o

Glorious morning commute today, JHB washed clean by the rain last night. No dust, no smog, crisp air. Nippy little bike. Who says adventure is only to be found out of the city? 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 07, 2018, 08:20:31 am
KY has more traction than a semi-worn IRC rear at 2+ bars...  :o

Glorious morning commute today, JHB washed clean by the rain last night. No dust, no smog, crisp air. Nippy little bike. Who says adventure is only to be found out of the city?
I run my bike at 1.8 bar as per Honda specs, works great on and off road. Indeed lekker little bike after the WR250R the best we can get our hands on in SA.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2018, 01:48:50 pm
Having watched countless Oz adv videos on Youtube I'm a big fan, would even buy it over a KTM500.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 08:39:52 am
Kykdaar and myself exploring some dirt tracks yesterday. The snow from the Cape made for a chilly day out but lots of fun.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 08:40:57 am
Also heard Intense conquered Lesotho with his Rally solo  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 10, 2018, 10:50:38 am
Kykdaar

Ry hy nog?!!! Wat nogal? :o
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 10:51:14 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 10, 2018, 10:50:38 am
Kykdaar

Ry hy nog?!!! Wat nogal? :o
KLR 685
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 10, 2018, 10:52:18 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 10:51:14 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 10, 2018, 10:50:38 am
Kykdaar

Ry hy nog?!!! Wat nogal? :o
KLR 685
:thumleft: :thumleft:
Hy is darem al lank stil :(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on September 10, 2018, 03:57:13 pm
Rooiberg Pass and Red Stone Hills Solo. Beautiful morning out.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 04:29:26 pm
Quote from: Schulla on September 10, 2018, 03:57:13 pm
Rooiberg Pass and Red Stone Hills Solo. Beautiful morning out.

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Welcome, another Rally  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 10, 2018, 05:05:28 pm
Lovely part of the world that, welcome.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 10, 2018, 05:18:39 pm
Any bash plates availlable on these bikes yet?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 10, 2018, 05:24:21 pm
From overseas yes, I have seen guys fit the ones from the L but that means modifying the lower plastics
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 10, 2018, 05:26:47 pm
Hi Teabag,

Any one you can recomend from overseas?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 10, 2018, 05:33:07 pm
I think for me is would be the B&B Offroad one from Australia. https://bboffroad.com.au/bash-plate-honda-crf250-rally-2017.html
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 10, 2018, 05:38:32 pm
I wonder if one wilk be able to fit it together with the Rockfox crashbars though. Anybody have pne of these B&B bashplates fitted to their bike yet?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 10:13:00 pm
I took a big hit this weekend and had zero damage. The bottom one is actually made from durable it seems plastic. The upper one is a bit suspect
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2018, 06:16:28 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 08:39:52 am
Kykdaar and myself exploring some dirt tracks yesterday. The snow from the Cape made for a chilly day out but lots of fun.

Must have been you guys I saw heading out in Rubenstein turning into Hans Strydom
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 11, 2018, 08:39:34 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 10:13:00 pm
I took a big hit this weekend and had zero damage. The bottom one is actually made from durable it seems plastic. The upper one is a bit suspect

Jacques, I'm just worried about the tab in front of the oil drain bolt. It's obviously there to protect the bolt but at the cost of killing the casing in the process, maybe not a great idea. Perhaps a low profile bolt and grind that tab down. Then fit 4mm Aluminium between the original bashplate and the frame....this is my plan anyway.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 11, 2018, 09:42:47 am
Quote from: blauth on September 11, 2018, 08:39:34 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 10, 2018, 10:13:00 pm
I took a big hit this weekend and had zero damage. The bottom one is actually made from durable it seems plastic. The upper one is a bit suspect

Jacques, I'm just worried about the tab in front of the oil drain bolt. It's obviously there to protect the bolt but at the cost of killing the casing in the process, maybe not a great idea. Perhaps a low profile bolt and grind that tab down. Then fit 4mm Aluminium between the original bashplate and the frame....this is my plan anyway.
Will check it out. Intense did Lesotho without issues and that place is rocky ! Initially I was sceptical to put it on a stand but have done so many times now witjout issues.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on September 11, 2018, 10:24:09 am
I did 1100km through lesotho this weekend of which 550 was gravel and off road and zero issues. Fell over a few times in the very technical steep and rocky stuff and dont have any marks on the bike to show for it. The belly plate took a very big hit and no damage at all.
These bikes are amazing.  I went solo and my phone died halfway into the trip but the reliability of these 250's are so confidence inspiring that I was always very relaxed. bike gave 30km/l consumption and never missed a beat with the dodgy petrol that you buy in Lesotho out of dirty containers. I dont have any extras fitted to my bike except my gps. Luggage is a loop bag that I strap onto the tail piece / saddle with some clear vinyl protecting the plastics.
I fitted mt21's just before the trip but was sad removing my irc's with 13500km on them as they were good for another couple of thou...km
Yes our bikes does have a few short comings but the reliability, cheap operating cost and pure fun definitely out weigh the negatives by far for me!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 11, 2018, 11:09:47 am
Quote from: Intense on September 11, 2018, 10:24:09 am
I did 1100km through lesotho this weekend of which 550 was gravel and off road and zero issues. Fell over a few times in the very technical steep and rocky stuff and dont have any marks on the bike to show for it. The belly plate took a very big hit and no damage at all.
These bikes are amazing.  I went solo and my phone died halfway into the trip but the reliability of these 250's are so confidence inspiring that I was always very relaxed. bike gave 30km/l consumption and never missed a beat with the dodgy petrol that you buy in Lesotho out of dirty containers. I dont have any extras fitted to my bike except my gps. Luggage is a loop bag that I strap onto the tail piece / saddle with some clear vinyl protecting the plastics.
I fitted mt21's just before the trip but was sad removing my irc's with 13500km on them as they were good for another couple of thou...km
Yes our bikes does have a few short comings but the reliability, cheap operating cost and pure fun definitely out weigh the negatives by far for me!
Post some of your pictures  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 11, 2018, 11:46:44 am
Quote from: Aaklige Attie on September 10, 2018, 05:38:32 pm
I wonder if one wilk be able to fit it together with the Rockfox crashbars though. Anybody have pne of these B&B bashplates fitted to their bike yet?
The Rockfox has a crossbar running some way up across the front of the upper part of the stock bash plate, one could build an aluminium plate that attaches to it and then on the bottom of the rails of the crash bar. You will loose about half an inch of clearance but it will be solid. I'm not too worried about the bash plate imho
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 11, 2018, 05:53:22 pm
Great except the crash bars are not available
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 11, 2018, 08:01:42 pm
Thnx all gor the replies, Teebag I have ordered a set from Mike that was to be posted today. Just follow up with Mike again.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 11, 2018, 08:07:12 pm
Thnx for the close-up photo of the crash bars Sidetrack, they do look awesome on the bike. I will def be looking at fabricating a plate to fit on to the bars!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 13, 2018, 02:46:29 pm
Have any one done something about the bikes stupid excuse of an side stand yet? this thing is made for spilling the bike over!

I am thinking of cutting it a bit shorter
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on September 13, 2018, 02:49:34 pm
Careful cutting it shorter - if you up the pre-load on the rear shock like most people do then the stand will be too short.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 13, 2018, 02:50:08 pm
Yeah cut it shorter,  or fit the one from the L
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on September 13, 2018, 02:58:51 pm
Quote from: teebag on September 13, 2018, 02:50:08 pm
Yeah cut it shorter,  or fit the one from the L
Mine leans over a fair bit with the pre-load maxed out. The stand is no longer in the way like it was with the standard soft setup.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 13, 2018, 03:02:55 pm
I need to lift my ass and crank up the rear preload as well. Just so lazy for bike work, have literally just fitted a number plate and sprayed chain lube since I got the bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 13, 2018, 06:30:08 pm
Thnx for the replies, took the grinder and the welder to it. Unless my son picks up 30kg in the near future I do not see that the preset would be adjusted any time soon
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 16, 2018, 07:06:22 am
Finally, some progress on the little Rally. I bought that shock from HalfDaft. It's a Wilbers shock from an XR650L. 40mm shorter than the Rally shock and 15mm bigger in diameter. After looking closely, I figured if it fit the top, I could manufacture an extension to get the extra length. We did a mock fit at Richards house to determine if the top section would clear everything. It did but the mount is 10mm narrower than the Rally shock. No problem, I'd make a spacer.

After a fair bit of fitting and refitting and head scratching, eventually I came up with an extension made from 5mm mild steel. The clearances down under are only a few mm but luckily when the suspension depresses, they increase.

No modification to the bike required so when I sell, this will go into my parts bin and the shitty shock can go back on.

Finished up late yesterday evening so will only get a chance to try it out on Monday. The spring is very stiff despite backing almost all preload off. I think it will be fine though. It does move ok. Static sag is down from about 80mm to about 30-40 (guessing here). We'll see. It's an expensive experiment.... >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 16, 2018, 12:55:50 pm
Let us know  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 17, 2018, 12:06:36 pm
No feedback today. Had to take my dog to the vet so I'm cage bound for the day. I did pick up my tank from Conrad.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 18, 2018, 09:24:03 am
Ok, some feedback on the shock upgrade.   :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Did I mention  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

I suppose you want some detail too.   :imaposer:


Ok, so the shock I bought was from HalfDaft. It's designed for a 100kg load for a Honda XR650L. The Rally shock is 420mm long and 70mm in diameter. This shock is 380mm long and 85mm in diameter so on Saturday I popped into HalfDaft's spot and we did a test fit of the shock to ensure there would be enough clearance everywhere. It's tight but it doesn't touch anything anywhere so the mods required was to space the top shock mount by 10mm. The idea with extending the bottom length would be to turn the bottom 90 degrees and manufacture an extension for the remaining 40mm. The only materials I had lying around was some 50x5mm mild steel. It's a bit bulky but I was anxious to test out my new shock so I went ahead and used this material. It took about four hours to make the extension but it came out ok.

First off, this upgrade has many benefits, some of them unforeseen.
- Acceleration feels way better. The bike feels like it's got 10% more power. This makes sense because with cycling, you lock your shock out on climbs to do away with the shock bob which robs energy. The standard shock steels energy from the already limited supply in this bike.
- Stability on the road is more like a road bike now. No more wallowing about in corners. I used to get the sensation when accelerating through a corner that the rear tyre was flat because of the mushy rear shock. That sensation is now gone. The cornering is more sure footed and holds it's line way better.
- Sag is about 30mm now so the bike is taller when sitting on it. Due to the additional spring tension, I can now stand over some steep mounds of sand whereas before I used to have to put a foot down to unload the rear shock else the belly would scrape.
-Speed humps. This was always a case of getting an enema with a bright red Honda seat. Now hitting a speed hump at speed with weight distribution slightly back results in the bike sailing level over the bump and not bucking like a bronco and getting all wobbly in front. It's a great sensation now.
- I did a bit of single track. You've got a lot more control. The back slides a little easier under acceleration now coming out of corners, probably because the power is going to the rear wheel and not directly into the shock. I didn't do enough of this on the way into work to form a complete impression but initial feeling is it's a good improvement.

There is one perceived negative, possibly. The rake is obviously now a little steeper and on the road it hunts a little going in a straight line. The steering head bearing have also just been done by Honda (also first ride since this was done) so it could also be something to do with that. I'll go over everything tonight and check that everything is correct.

For anyone who owns this little bike, I'd highly recommend a shock upgrade. It's transformed the bike. Probably the best upgrade for this bike.

Next project....tail tidy.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on September 18, 2018, 09:37:41 am
Great feedback, thank you! Now my scratch to upgrade the suspension is stronger than before ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 18, 2018, 09:57:36 am
Quote from: deapsquatter on September 18, 2018, 09:37:41 am
Great feedback, thank you! Now my scratch to upgrade the suspension is stronger than before ;)

Superfoxi....... end of story and he's in your neck of the woods.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 18, 2018, 01:48:37 pm
Good feedback, I want to save for that Ohlins.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 19, 2018, 08:37:41 am
Lads, I know I'm going on a little here but I can highly recommend you spend some money and upgrade that rear shock.

My upgrade has made the world of difference to my bike!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 19, 2018, 04:34:30 pm
I heard of no shock issues with the Rally launch in the Cederberge  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on September 19, 2018, 05:13:47 pm
Hello all !

Just want to say Howzit, been on the forum  but first time chiming in.

Today was my first day on my rally, had it a month but broke my hand a few days before I tooķ delivery. So far really enjoying it. Never gotten to work so quick before


I am on the heavy side of life and want to see if anyone has upgraded the rear spring from racetech and if so has it helped? I weigh 118kg. I don't feel a need for it as yet as it's mostly been on road but weekends I do plan to take it off road. So just gathering info on shocks to see how deep my pockets need to be haha.

Oh yes first on road bike I have owned, I am coming off a ktm 300, so just getting to learn road stuff.

Cheers
Dyl:)



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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 20, 2018, 02:16:53 pm
Quote from: Dylboy on September 19, 2018, 05:13:47 pm
Hello all !

Just want to say Howzit, been on the forum  but first time chiming in.

Today was my first day on my rally, had it a month but broke my hand a few days before I tooķ delivery. So far really enjoying it. Never gotten to work so quick before


I am on the heavy side of life and want to see if anyone has upgraded the rear spring from racetech and if so has it helped? I weigh 118kg. I don't feel a need for it as yet as it's mostly been on road but weekends I do plan to take it off road. So just gathering info on shocks to see how deep my pockets need to be haha.

Oh yes first on road bike I have owned, I am coming off a ktm 300, so just getting to learn road stuff.

Cheers
Dyl:)



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Welcome to the forum Dyl.

I can't speak for RaceTech but I've just upgraded my shock from an XR650L Wilbers rear shock with modifications to make it fit. Wilbers doen't have a shock for the Rally yet to my knowledge. Everyone I spoke to locally first needed to find out about springs and see what they could do and and and. In the end, I adopted the 'boer maak a plan' approach and am happy.

I can only suggest you send SuperFoxi a PM and discuss with him. He's in the Western Cape so a bit tricky but contact him and chat with him directly. He will most likely be able to help you.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 20, 2018, 02:19:47 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on September 19, 2018, 04:34:30 pm
I heard of no shock issues with the Rally launch in the Cederberge  :pot:

If you were sponsored a free adventure, would you bitch about the sponsored bike    :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on September 20, 2018, 02:36:07 pm
Quote from: blauth on September 20, 2018, 02:16:53 pm
Quote from: Dylboy on September 19, 2018, 05:13:47 pm
Hello all !

Just want to say Howzit, been on the forum  but first time chiming in.

Today was my first day on my rally, had it a month but broke my hand a few days before I tooķ delivery. So far really enjoying it. Never gotten to work so quick before


I am on the heavy side of life and want to see if anyone has upgraded the rear spring from racetech and if so has it helped? I weigh 118kg. I don't feel a need for it as yet as it's mostly been on road but weekends I do plan to take it off road. So just gathering info on shocks to see how deep my pockets need to be haha.

Oh yes first on road bike I have owned, I am coming off a ktm 300, so just getting to learn road stuff.

Cheers
Dyl:)



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Welcome to the forum Dyl.

I can't speak for RaceTech but I've just upgraded my shock from an XR650L Wilbers rear shock with modifications to make it fit. Wilbers doen't have a shock for the Rally yet to my knowledge. Everyone I spoke to locally first needed to find out about springs and see what they could do and and and. In the end, I adopted the 'boer maak a plan' approach and am happy.

I can only suggest you send SuperFoxi a PM and discuss with him. He's in the Western Cape so a bit tricky but contact him and chat with him directly. He will most likely be able to help you.
Howzit and many thanks! Yes ya your upgrade got me thinking hard about it as it just sounded like what I needed.

I found details and contacted blingkingbikes and looks like I'll be doing the Wilber shock once I sell my 300.

Thank you for the reply


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on September 21, 2018, 12:33:57 pm
After my post on the XR650 shock, @chopperpilot  PM'd me about a DRZ shock he has, thinking I knew someone personally.  Any more Boere that can make a plan?  He is in Mpumalanga.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 21, 2018, 12:54:52 pm
Quote from: katana on September 21, 2018, 12:33:57 pm
After my post on the XR650 shock, @chopperpilot  PM'd me about a DRZ shock he has, thinking I knew someone personally.  Any more Boere that can make a plan?  He is in Mpumalanga.
Any shock with a attached reservoir (as DRZ has)  will not fit on the Rally, you need one sans reservoir or a remote reservoir. Just no space on the bike.

*edit will the DRZ shock go on a XR650 ? In that case it might work who knows, thought you meant for a Rally
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 21, 2018, 12:57:44 pm
Flying brick sent me a luggage rack, some garage time this afternoon  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 21, 2018, 01:09:43 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on September 21, 2018, 12:54:52 pm
Quote from: katana on September 21, 2018, 12:33:57 pm
After my post on the XR650 shock, @chopperpilot  PM'd me about a DRZ shock he has, thinking I knew someone personally.  Any more Boere that can make a plan?  He is in Mpumalanga.
Any shock with a attached reservoir (as DRZ has)  will not fit on the Rally, you need one sans reservoir or a remote reservoir. Just no space on the bike.

*edit will the DRZ shock go on a XR650 ? In that case it might work who knows, thought you meant for a Rally

Your first impression was correct I think. The original XR shock also has a remote resevoir. The Wilbers does NOT have a remote resevoir which is why it fits on my bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 21, 2018, 02:35:30 pm
So Blauth after your shock upgrade are you sold on the Rally yet or still in two minds ? There is after all a difference in liking a bike vs loving a bike
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 21, 2018, 08:55:36 pm
I'm happy, well made product  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on September 24, 2018, 09:50:22 am
Honda have a special running on these until 30th September

https://www.honda.co.za/motorcycles#specialOffers
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 25, 2018, 10:52:52 am
Hi Guys

So what is the verdict on service items for the Rally?

- Oil -> Honda East Rand says they use Actevo, suppose that is fine as long as intervals are not too long.
- Oil filter -> OEM @ R208,93 inc. VAT
- Air filter -> OEM @ R???

What is the OEM schedule for air filter replacement? Is the stock unit sturdy enough to survive a few cleanings?

I still need to collect my warranty and service book from Honda, they misplaced it for a while.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 25, 2018, 10:56:42 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=218937.msg4091691.msg#4091691
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 25, 2018, 12:13:10 pm
If you click the link above it will take you to the info in my thread - not sure why it displays like that.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 25, 2018, 04:52:13 pm
I built a tail tidy. Admittedly, it's not my finest creation. I was scavenging for bits and pieces and metal lying around the workshop. I also had two sets of indicators lying around, normal small offroad one's which were my preference and another set of LED's which are a bit big and clunky and actually designed for the front.

Conventional globe indicators do not work. I don't think the circuit (flasher unit or whatever) can provide the 3w required by the globe. My LED's blink really fast, despite the standard indicators being LED so obviously these indicators draw less current than the originals. I'll redo some of it but it's functional for now.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 26, 2018, 04:09:42 pm
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 26, 2018, 04:10:29 pm
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 26, 2018, 04:23:28 pm
Lads, Sidetrack, Attie and myself have organized a Dullstroom overnighter. Anyone else keen?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=229286.0

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 26, 2018, 06:18:09 pm
Damn if only it wasn't so far from me enjoy and take pictures
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on September 26, 2018, 09:06:47 pm
We Rallys of the south should organise a ride someday. So far I know of you, me and Ri who basically are in "each others' back yard".

By the way, correct me if I'm wrong (though the stylish black-and-white pic looks classic Teebag), but congrats on getting in to Quest boot camp.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 26, 2018, 09:42:11 pm
Good idea, let's make it happen.

Thank you - I will try to represent Rally owners as best I can
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 27, 2018, 08:20:46 am
Quote from: Zanie on September 26, 2018, 09:06:47 pm
We Rallys of the south should organise a ride someday. So far I know of you, me and Ri who basically are in "each others' back yard".

By the way, correct me if I'm wrong (though the stylish black-and-white pic looks classic Teebag), but congrats on getting in to Quest boot camp.  :thumleft:

I am in Durbanville, but don't mind riding to wherever .
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on September 27, 2018, 08:40:09 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 27, 2018, 08:20:46 am
I am in Durbanville, but don't mind riding to wherever .
Whoot! So am I! (Well Bellville technically)  8)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on September 27, 2018, 08:55:07 am
Quote from: Zanie on September 26, 2018, 09:06:47 pm
So far I know of you, me and Rhian who basically are in "each others' back yard".
Correction. Rhian = Rally. Ri = many, many DRs.

Quote from: Constantinople on September 27, 2018, 08:20:46 am
I am in Durbanville, but don't mind riding to wherever .
Quote from: deapsquatter on September 27, 2018, 08:40:09 am
Whoot! So am I! (Well Bellville technically)  8)

It seems there's a whole bunch of Rallys in the Cape! Any more out there?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 27, 2018, 10:05:37 am
Quote from: blauth on September 25, 2018, 04:52:13 pm
I built a tail tidy. Admittedly, it's not my finest creation. I was scavenging for bits and pieces and metal lying around the workshop. I also had two sets of indicators lying around, normal small offroad one's which were my preference and another set of LED's which are a bit big and clunky and actually designed for the front.

Conventional globe indicators do not work. I don't think the circuit (flasher unit or whatever) can provide the 3w required by the globe. My LED's blink really fast, despite the standard indicators being LED so obviously these indicators draw less current than the originals. I'll redo some of it but it's functional for now.
I actually don't mind the stock tail piece and the LED flickers are pretty cool, much better than many other bikes. Was thinking of doing this and fitting a smaller number plate. Then again maybe I'm getting old and might keep it as is  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 27, 2018, 10:28:50 am
That part pretty much bolts off, no cutting required,  remove the 4 bolts you can see if you look up from underneath  and the 1 on either side just under the tail light
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/fc09369f27f2edbb62ed1e360ada3ba6.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 27, 2018, 03:24:36 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on September 27, 2018, 10:05:37 am
Quote from: blauth on September 25, 2018, 04:52:13 pm
I built a tail tidy. Admittedly, it's not my finest creation. I was scavenging for bits and pieces and metal lying around the workshop. I also had two sets of indicators lying around, normal small offroad one's which were my preference and another set of LED's which are a bit big and clunky and actually designed for the front.

Conventional globe indicators do not work. I don't think the circuit (flasher unit or whatever) can provide the 3w required by the globe. My LED's blink really fast, despite the standard indicators being LED so obviously these indicators draw less current than the originals. I'll redo some of it but it's functional for now.
I actually don't mind the stock tail piece and the LED flickers are pretty cool, much better than many other bikes. Was thinking of doing this and fitting a smaller number plate. Then again maybe I'm getting old and might keep it as is  :biggrin:

I thought about the smaller number plate which would be great but then the coppers give you a hard time every time they stop you. I'm too old to make excuses every time I get stopped.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 27, 2018, 03:44:52 pm
Quote from: blauth on August 21, 2018, 07:22:07 am
This isn't a rant or a bitch, just an autobiography of my life yesterday....

The mileage on my bike is 8200km but in order to keep the warranty in tact, it's due for the annual service. The warranty I need because the head bearings are notchy which I want Honda to sort out under warranty.

After unsuccessfully being able to get Honda Centurion on the phone on Saturday morning, I begrudgingly decided to drop it off at Cayene Honda Kyalami. Whilst booking it in I was pleasantly surprised that they had a check sheet where they go over the bike, check for existing damage and essentially make up a job card. Whilst checking in, the lady informs me that, should I not accept their quote, I'll be charged R627.00. I can however decline certain parts of I like if they quote on a new tyre, etc. She then proceeds to inform me that I have 48 hours to collect my bike, failing which, I'll be charged R250.00 per day for storage. OK, then.....  The arrangement was to collect the bike Monday afternoon.

I'm contacted Monday morning and quote is R1835.00 for oil service only and they can find nothing wrong with my neck bearings. Having gotten out of bed on the wrong side already, this put me in an even fouler mood but what choice do I have, I don't want to void the warranty. So I accept the quote and ask them to put it in writing that they can't find fault with the neck bearings which they duelly do. I also ask that the workshop manager demonstrate to me how they determined there was no problem.

Anyway, I arrive at 15:00 to collect my bike. I see my bike in the wash bay so I think to myself, "good timing". As I sit down at the service reception, the workshop manager comes to me and this is how the conversation goes:

Workshop Manager:- "I checked your neck bearings and there is a very slight notch so I've spoken to Honda and we're going to replace under warranty".
Me:- "Ok, so why did I get an email from you guys earlier saying you couldn't find fault with the neck bearings?"
Workshop Manager:- "Ja, my mechanic checked it earlier and said it was fine but then I double checked it and found it to be faulty."
Me:- "Ok, I'll bring it back next week, is that ok....." And so that part of the conversation ended.

So I get up expecting them to bring the bike out since I can't see it in the wash bay anymore. 10 minutes, nothing. So I go ask if they are bringing my bike. The service lady informs me that it's going through a final check and a test ride. Ok, I'll browse about the shop a bit. Whilst doing so, I'm checking out the awesome Beta bikes and making small talk to the salesman. The oke I'm talking to is pleasant (not all that knowledgeable about the bikes) but he informs me he joined recently from car sales but he'll grab the manual if I need to know anything. Nice guy. The conversation was great until his cock sure colleague joins the conversation at which point I mention that their bikes are competitively priced compared to the equivalent KTM or Husky. Anyway, cocksure proceeds to slag off KTM and the KTM dealer network...including RAD. I didn't say anything but in my mind, I'm thinking..."what a wanker...go away and let me chat in peace to your colleague."

45 minutes later, I ask again, "Where's my bike?" ... "They are just finishing off now." 10 minutes later my bike emerges and they help me load it onto my bakkie. Thankfully I notice the key isn't there and it hasn't been given to me. So the oke scampers off, back to the workshop and sheepishly presents my key.

Anyway, I rush off to grab a beer with my mate and when I get to the pub I'm looking at the boney on the back of my van and happen to check under the sump. I notice the sump is full of oil. That's a bit strange, why all the oil after the clean.

This is what I think really happened:

I arrived unannounced at 15:00. They hadn't started working on the bike. The workshop manager, having already spoken to the service lady, knew I'd asked for the neck bearing test, runs off to check the bearing and goes, "oh shit, the customer is here for his bike and we haven't started the service yet, stall him". He checks neck bearing quickly and comes to the conclusion that they are in fact notchy and bullshit story is spun whilst mad panic servicing ensues to service my bike while I'm browsing.

All I can say is that my expectations were met.  :eek7:

Round 2 next week with the neck bearing replacement. I'll post a pic of the quote later.



Looks like I just dodged a bullet. I can't say I'm surprised.....

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=229313.0

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 27, 2018, 04:01:47 pm
Quote from: teebag on September 27, 2018, 10:28:50 am
That part pretty much bolts off, no cutting required,  remove the 4 bolts you can see if you look up from underneath  and the 1 on either side just under the tail light
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/fc09369f27f2edbb62ed1e360ada3ba6.jpg)
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I removed my sons plate yesterday to fit a 12v plug at the back, you are right teebag this does take away most of what sidetrack would like to remove but it will also leave the wireing exposed from the bottom and I would suspect that this could cause you a bit of electrical problems in the future
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 27, 2018, 04:12:14 pm
I made a cover as you can see in the pic
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on September 27, 2018, 05:28:16 pm
Sorry Teebag  I saw that you made a cover that fits in there and did not mean to shoot you down, only meant it to be a warning to sidetrack that it could  cause damage if not attended to :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 27, 2018, 10:18:56 pm
Honda put some thought into the area above the rear wheel, it's sealed quite well including the electrical connectors. Will point a pressure washer to that area without a worry. Bring on the rainy season  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 28, 2018, 07:55:39 am
It's been very hot lately and my route home in the evenings is predominantly uphill so my bike's been running quite hot. I've noticed when my bike gets very hot, I get an intermittent 'clicking' from the motor, when the RPM are changed like when you blip the throttle or change gears. The frequency of the clicking is not consistent with the motor rpm. It does not click in my morning ride to work.

I think when my bike gets very hot, the timing chain is slapping against something. I've read about one or two timing chain tensioner failures on these CRF250 motors. Anyone else experiencing this?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 08:11:22 am
Through all my open throttle standstill getaways in the Kaokoland sand my bike got hot, never overheating. Never noticed anything like this. However, maybe I was way too exhausted or focused on trying to stay upright to notice!  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 28, 2018, 08:19:44 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 08:11:22 am
Through all my open throttle standstill getaways in the Kaokoland sand my bike got hot, never overheating. Never noticed anything like this. However, maybe I was way too exhausted or focused on trying to stay upright to notice!  :lol8:

I don't think the bike is overheating, just very hot due to high ambient temp and reasonably heavy load.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 08:22:47 am
Looking closely I have noticed the dash has a heat gauge icon so guess it will come on when there is trouble, is the fan kicking in ? Think mine has worked once but it's very quiet and you can barely hear it running.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 08:25:58 am
My fan comes on quite early. Even when it is not too hot outside. However, as Sidetrack said, you have to listen carefully to hear it over the engine.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 28, 2018, 08:38:32 am
Problem solved (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180928/45b102a6a510b2fb8c33ad1171682e4b.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 08:58:13 am
Blauth I reckon your bike is 100% don't worry just wring it's neck it can take it  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 09:07:42 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 08:58:13 am
Blauth I reckon your bike is 100% don't worry just wring it's neck it can take it  :ricky:

 :3some:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 09:07:42 am
The most annoying thing for me on the Rally is the ABS, I have never had a bike with it and if I had the choice of the US model sans ABS I would have taken it. Having to stop and switch it off after every restart is just ridiculous and often I'm already halfway down the track before realizing it's not turned off. Is there a way to remove a fuse or something to bypass the ABS on the rear completely ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 09:10:00 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 09:07:42 am
The most annoying thing for me on the Rally is the ABS, I have never had a bike with it and if I had the choice of the US model sans ABS I would have taken it. Having to stop and switch it off after every restart is just ridiculous and often I'm already halfway down the track before realizing it's not turned off. Is there a way to remove a fuse or something to bypass the ABS on the rear completely ?

You can plug the rear one out I think, however then your ABS light will flicker the whole time. I suggest the following, never switch you bike off for short stops on the trail, just hit the kill switch. The LED lights use so little power it won't drain your battery.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 09:13:28 am
Quote from: Constantinople on September 28, 2018, 09:10:00 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 09:07:42 am
The most annoying thing for me on the Rally is the ABS, I have never had a bike with it and if I had the choice of the US model sans ABS I would have taken it. Having to stop and switch it off after every restart is just ridiculous and often I'm already halfway down the track before realizing it's not turned off. Is there a way to remove a fuse or something to bypass the ABS on the rear completely ?

You can plug the rear one out I think, however then your ABS light will flicker the whole time. I suggest the following, never switch you bike off for short stops on the trail, just hit the kill switch. The LED lights use so little power it won't drain your battery.
Could work as I almost always use the ignition switch
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on September 28, 2018, 10:33:34 am
Quote from: blauth on September 28, 2018, 07:55:39 am
It's been very hot lately and my route home in the evenings is predominantly uphill so my bike's been running quite hot. I've noticed when my bike gets very hot, I get an intermittent 'clicking' from the motor, when the RPM are changed like when you blip the throttle or change gears. The frequency of the clicking is not consistent with the motor rpm. It does not click in my morning ride to work.

I think when my bike gets very hot, the timing chain is slapping against something. I've read about one or two timing chain tensioner failures on these CRF250 motors. Anyone else experiencing this?
Climbing mountains in lesotho and slow traffic or long idle periods does engage the fan. But I dont have any funny sounds from the engine. Except for the fan coming on I havent noticed anything else out of the ordinary.
I dont like not having a temp gauge. Is there a warning light that will come on before you fry the engine?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 10:52:51 am
Quote from: Intense on September 28, 2018, 10:33:34 am
Quote from: blauth on September 28, 2018, 07:55:39 am
It's been very hot lately and my route home in the evenings is predominantly uphill so my bike's been running quite hot. I've noticed when my bike gets very hot, I get an intermittent 'clicking' from the motor, when the RPM are changed like when you blip the throttle or change gears. The frequency of the clicking is not consistent with the motor rpm. It does not click in my morning ride to work.

I think when my bike gets very hot, the timing chain is slapping against something. I've read about one or two timing chain tensioner failures on these CRF250 motors. Anyone else experiencing this?
Climbing mountains in lesotho and slow traffic or long idle periods does engage the fan. But I dont have any funny sounds from the engine. Except for the fan coming on I havent noticed anything else out of the ordinary.
I dont like not having a temp gauge. Is there a warning light that will come on before you fry the engine?
On the far right of dash
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on September 28, 2018, 04:29:31 pm
I'm sure my cam chain tensioner is on it's way out. Hopefully there is no issue on the ride this weekend but it's need to go to Honda (obviously not Cayenne) to get sorted under warranty when I'm back. Since doing the shock, I'm really starting to bond with this bike and am liking it exponentially more.

Some references:



https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1152555-clickingticking-sound-%E2%80%93-front-of-engine/

https://advrider.com/f/threads/the-crf250l-owners-thread.823409/page-749
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2018, 05:06:00 pm
I know even from my DRZ Thumpertalk days they always pushed the use of a manual tensioner (which the TT store sold). I used the stock one for years with no issue.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 30, 2018, 08:38:01 pm
Returned this afternoon from a 700km 2 day ride with Blauth and Attie. Almost all dirt, no tools were touched during the ride. Viva Rally viva.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 30, 2018, 08:45:00 pm
Fantastic
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 30, 2018, 09:00:06 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on September 30, 2018, 10:13:41 pm
Awesome! So much bike sexiness. Love the pics.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on September 30, 2018, 10:23:12 pm
We also went exploring yesterday, in a "follow-your-nose mode", with me on the Rally and my partner on his 800GS. I love the little bike. It's so easy to turn around when the track disappears!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 08:50:21 am
Quote from: Zanie on September 30, 2018, 10:23:12 pm
We also went exploring yesterday, in a "follow-your-nose mode", with me on the Rally and my partner on his 800GS. I love the little bike. It's so easy to turn around when the track disappears!
Nice and green  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 01, 2018, 10:11:04 am
Are you okes OK if I post ride pics here? I don't have time to do a full ride report.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 10:22:42 am
Quote from: blauth on October 01, 2018, 10:11:04 am
Are you okes OK if I post ride pics here? I don't have time to do a full ride report.
Post away
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Aaklige Attie on October 01, 2018, 12:45:06 pm
Thnx Sidetrack & Blauth was a brilliant ride!!!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 01, 2018, 01:41:37 pm
The glory tunnel...
Oops...a bit more gas.
Aaaaaahh, that's better.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 01, 2018, 01:45:06 pm
Wimpy's new advertising campaign.
Bridge of terror.
Damn that's a good looking bike, where's Bang Bang Bareda?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 01, 2018, 01:47:12 pm
Posers....
The three stooges.
Honda advertising campaign.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 01, 2018, 01:50:02 pm
Thanks god this is a 250
Thanks god this is a 250....ii
If it wasn't awkward, we'd be skinny dipping.    :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on October 01, 2018, 02:14:02 pm
Man those photos are awesome ! Sitting at my desk drooling. Looked epic fun gents ! Thanks for posting

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:12:30 pm
My Explorer is about to be sold  :peepwall:

What crash bars are those on the one bike?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 03:25:43 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:12:30 pm
My Explorer is about to be sold  :peepwall:

What crash bars are those on the one bike?
Rockfox
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:56:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 03:25:43 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:12:30 pm
My Explorer is about to be sold  :peepwall:

What crash bars are those on the one bike?
Rockfox
Straight bolt on over the standard skid plate and fairing?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 04:02:47 pm
I see they do soft luggage racks also

Lekker little bikes. I did over 20000km on the first gen 250L and loved it. Tearing my hair out about going simpler/cheaper smaller and riding out the current economic climate......
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 04:08:26 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:56:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 03:25:43 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 03:12:30 pm
My Explorer is about to be sold  :peepwall:

What crash bars are those on the one bike?
Rockfox
Straight bolt on over the standard skid plate and fairing?
Yes fits over everything, no ground clearance lost
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 04:09:20 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 04:02:47 pm
I see they do soft luggage racks also

Lekker little bikes. I did over 20000km on the first gen 250L and loved it. Tearing my hair out about going simpler/cheaper smaller and riding out the current economic climate......
Best part is pulling into the fuel station, R90 later you are good to go at 35km/l  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 07:40:58 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 04:09:20 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 01, 2018, 04:02:47 pm
I see they do soft luggage racks also

Lekker little bikes. I did over 20000km on the first gen 250L and loved it. Tearing my hair out about going simpler/cheaper smaller and riding out the current economic climate......
Best part is pulling into the fuel station, R90 later you are good to go at 35km/l  :biggrin:
Yip. cost of fuel is becoming increasingly more of an issue so something like this machine makes plenty sense
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 09:12:18 pm
Anyone removed their pillion pegs yet ? I installed a trickle charger / power point on the bike and reckon with the peg gone it will be the perfect spot.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on October 02, 2018, 08:00:16 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 09:12:18 pm
Anyone removed their pillion pegs yet ? I installed a trickle charger / power point on the bike and reckon with the peg gone it will be the perfect spot.
I actually pillion  often with my bike so pegs are staying. Connected a charger point that sits just behind the side cover at the battery that I can reach without removing anything. The plug has got a rubber sealed cover but I havent used it yet as I ride my bike at least 4 days a week.
Over 15000km and still like day one
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on October 04, 2018, 07:11:22 am
Yip removed mine and fitted eyelets to tie the soft luggage down
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on October 04, 2018, 08:00:44 pm
Two Rallies going on a RTW trip. This should be interesting to follow - not too many mods done from spec.

https://www.facebook.com/164370444183416/posts/279147599372366/
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 04, 2018, 10:55:50 pm
Washday, ready for the next ride. Fitted some Cycra copies.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 05, 2018, 09:33:26 am
Looks lekker!

Sidetrack, how much for the Cycra copies?

I really need to do something about the sound of my Rally. Too much like an asthmatic vacuum cleaner in stock form, but no cash monies for a slip on. Anyone tried gutting the stock muffler?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 05, 2018, 09:53:50 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 05, 2018, 09:33:26 am
Looks lekker!

Sidetrack, how much for the Cycra copies?

I really need to do something about the sound of my Rally. Too much like an asthmatic vacuum cleaner in stock form, but no cash monies for a slip on. Anyone tried gutting the stock muffler?
R900 a bargain imho, fits perfectly. Clears everywhere and can still go full lock. Must say the stock muffler is nice and stealthy
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on October 05, 2018, 01:42:34 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 04, 2018, 10:55:50 pm
Washday, ready for the next ride. Fitted some Cycra copies.
Hi there Sidetrack ! Bike looking clean
Where did you get the cycra copies if I may ask ? Bargain price and you say it fits well so keen to get a set

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on October 05, 2018, 01:44:53 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 05, 2018, 09:33:26 am
Looks lekker!

Sidetrack, how much for the Cycra copies?

I really need to do something about the sound of my Rally. Too much like an asthmatic vacuum cleaner in stock form, but no cash monies for a slip on. Anyone tried gutting the stock muffler?
And plus 1 on the stock muffler, bike looks fierce as all hell but sounds like a puppy during a morning stretch haha.
Slip ones don't make sense to me for the price and just want a bit more grunt in the sound.

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Edit: I don't totally mind the quiter pipe, still has some grunt in the sound and certain revs and neighbors don't mind me warming it up in the morning haha
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 05, 2018, 05:33:10 pm
Quote from: Dylboy on October 05, 2018, 01:42:34 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 04, 2018, 10:55:50 pm
Washday, ready for the next ride. Fitted some Cycra copies.
Hi there Sidetrack ! Bike looking clean
Where did you get the cycra copies if I may ask ? Bargain price and you say it fits well so keen to get a set

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on October 05, 2018, 05:53:54 pm
Make? Can you post a closer pic?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 05, 2018, 07:30:34 pm
Quote from: teebag on October 05, 2018, 05:53:54 pm
Make? Can you post a closer pic?
Racecraft, will take one tomorrow
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 10:18:37 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 05, 2018, 07:30:34 pm
Quote from: teebag on October 05, 2018, 05:53:54 pm
Make? Can you post a closer pic?
Racecraft, will take one tomorrow
No mods needed, they will fit normal and fatbars. Shields also come in red
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 10:23:56 am
Credit to Blauth for this mod. Longer bolts and some pipe to angle the windscreen forward a bit. Now I can get my hand inside the windscreen to clean it properly. Also gives that Rally look  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 06, 2018, 05:10:57 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 01, 2018, 09:12:18 pm
Anyone removed their pillion pegs yet ? I installed a trickle charger / power point on the bike and reckon with the peg gone it will be the perfect spot.

I installed a trickle charger without needing to remove the pillion footpeg. I just routed the cable around the front of the battery and down next to the frame. Some cable ties keep it in place. It's also pretty firmly wedged where it is. FYI: In the picture below, you can also see the soft luggage mounts I placed at the sub-frame screws, just below the pillion footpeg.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 06, 2018, 05:11:35 pm
I installed the charging lead a while back before I had an operation to reattach wrist ligaments. I've been largely off my bikes since May thanks to a crash at a funduro, but I'm now back on the Rally and I'm starting to eye my little 230 Honda as well. That's why I've only managed to rack up 6000km since I bought the bike in March.

Speaking of which, I did an oil change today on my Rally. It hit 6000km last week and I've decided that since it's a thumper, it should get new oil a bit more regularly than every 12000km. The old oil definitely looked like it needed replacing! I did not replace the oil filter. I'll do that every 12000km.

Spot the piece of nature in the gear lever.  ;D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on October 06, 2018, 06:39:28 pm
Thanks @sidetrack
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 08:24:01 pm
My bike had it's 1000km service when I bought it, will do it at 5000 again with airfilter then again at 10000. Seems like a good interval since I almost only ride dirt.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 08:25:45 pm
@LoopSoosStroop we have a Rally whatsapp group here in GP. Send me your number if interested.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 06, 2018, 08:33:06 pm
Good to read you recovering well Zanie. Lekker DIY there!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 08:01:02 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 08:25:45 pm
@LoopSoosStroop we have a Rally whatsapp group here in GP. Send me your number if interested.

Not sure if I have the strength..... does it stay somewhat on topic?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2018, 08:06:10 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 08:01:02 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 06, 2018, 08:25:45 pm
@LoopSoosStroop we have a Rally whatsapp group here in GP. Send me your number if interested.

Not sure if I have the strength..... does it stay somewhat on topic?
Yes Rally only, lucky it's not Hotel California  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 08:29:57 am
Got around to giving the Honda a bit of love this weekend.

- Re-greased the steering head bearings. The top one wasn't that bad, but IMHO the bottom one needed some grease. Don't know why they skimp on the stuff in the factory?

- Oil change - Castrol Actevo + Honda filter. I'll change the oil every 4000 km from now on.

- Inspected the air filter. After 4200 km it looks a bit worse for wear. Was hoping to stretch it to 6000 km, but might change it sooner. Pity they are so bleddie expensive. What is the factory recommended interval?

- Oiled the clutch cable.

- Cut and converted the clutch lever to a DIY two finger jobbie. Standard LoopSoosStroop mod.

- First wash.

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I've said it many times, but I love this bike. Working on it the first time, it's lekker to see how well things are thought out. It's beautifully put together.

Getting it on the stand is a bit of a PITA, it's to heavy for me to get up. I had to use the chain block...  ;D

Next job would be to strip the rear end to re-grease all suspension linkages and wind up some more spring preload.

I also need to design a tail tidy. The stock look is getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2018, 08:38:00 am
I'm surprised there is no aftermarket air filter yet, washable one would be nice.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 08:49:22 am
https://www.ebay.com/itm/K-N-KNN-Air-Filter-Honda-CRF250L-HA-2513/351750333241?epid=657048946&hash=item51e5f42339

There is a K&N washable one. Also expensive though!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 12:35:21 pm
Anyone managing to get the front wheel up on a Rally? Granted I've been off a bike for four years, but this thing is not oozing with low down torque. Not really keen to drop a tooth on the front sprocket, so it will probably need some more practice and more revs.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on October 08, 2018, 02:03:16 pm
Check my post, for air filter PN cheaper that the Rally part, I replaced mine at 12k think the manual calls for 24k only
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 02:11:59 pm
Quote from: teebag on October 08, 2018, 02:03:16 pm
Check my post, for air filter PN cheaper that the Rally part, I replaced mine at 12k think the manual calls for 24k only

I thought that was the Rally part... Jeepers what does the Rally one cost then?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2018, 03:36:16 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 12:35:21 pm
Anyone managing to get the front wheel up on a Rally? Granted I've been off a bike for four years, but this thing is not oozing with low down torque. Not really keen to drop a tooth on the front sprocket, so it will probably need some more practice and more revs.
Blauth got the front wheel up for a good 20m. Or maybe he was just smelling the beer at Que Sera already  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 08, 2018, 10:34:33 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 08, 2018, 03:36:16 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 08, 2018, 12:35:21 pm
Anyone managing to get the front wheel up on a Rally? Granted I've been off a bike for four years, but this thing is not oozing with low down torque. Not really keen to drop a tooth on the front sprocket, so it will probably need some more practice and more revs.
Blauth got the front wheel up for a good 20m. Or maybe he was just smelling the beer at Que Sera already  :ricky:

It's really hard to wheelie a bike with a rear shock that sags like a witches tit. Your meager power goes straight into the shock. With the harder rear shock, clutching and decent timing, you can lift it in second and then try keep it together ....  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 09, 2018, 08:15:38 am
Eish, the shock thing keeps on coming back. Not sure if I'll be able to do anything about it besides preload.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 09, 2018, 04:31:55 pm
Ok sure by now there should be a solution right? What about a visit to Hilton Hayward? Progressive springs front and rear?

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 09, 2018, 04:37:53 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on October 09, 2018, 04:31:55 pm
Ok sure by now there should be a solution right? What about a visit to Hilton Hayward? Progressive springs front and rear?

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Problem is the shock is just crap, no rebound and compression adjustment available so a stiffer spring might just make things worse like shooting you out of the seat  :biggrin: But I'm no expert lets see there may be a solution yet.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dylboy on October 09, 2018, 05:55:34 pm
Howzit  :)

So I am doing the spring upgrades in the front and rear. Doing what I believe is a wilbers progressive spring in the rear and in the front is the racetech spring.
Friday is when the rear spring will be in and the front is being ordered in to land in about 3 weeks.

I weigh 118kg and bike is about 300km to go till broken in but will try some dirt this weekend at Maraisburg. So I will try give some feed back.

I went for the springs before doing the whole rear shock with a wilbers set up which is about 10 grand.

Hoping for huge positives just with the stiffer springs. I am worried for preload on the rear with the spring but time will tell.

Cheers
Dyl:)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 09, 2018, 08:10:31 pm
Nice keep us posted
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zeeman on October 12, 2018, 03:48:31 pm
Ek het my Rally nou vir n uur lank en so 31 Km plaaspad later.

WAT n BIKE!

Dis die meeste pret op 2 wiele wat ek nog ooit gehad het.
Het my CRF 250 L verkoop vir hom en ek moet se ek het gedink die L was goed maar
hierdie fiets vat die koek.

Afgesien van al die kosmetiese veranderinge is daar twee dinge wat hierdie fiets amazing maak:

1.  Die ratkas is n ware rally kas met baie meer speelruimte in die laer ratte.

2.  Die vering, veral die voorwiel is baie vergewensgesind en ek het lanklaas n bike se
     gat so baie rondgegooi soos met hierdie fiets.

Die enjin is nog effens lui op 2500Km en dit lyk nie of die yoshi pyp enigsiens anders doen as
om te veel te raas nie.

Maar hierdie fiets gaan my 1200 laat staan en vasroes ... dink hy sal miskien moet gaan :(

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: wilfwalk on October 12, 2018, 03:58:15 pm
Welcome to The 250 Rally club ! Lyk my jy geniet hom al klaar  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 12, 2018, 04:34:46 pm
Quote from: Zeeman on October 12, 2018, 03:48:31 pm
Maar hierdie fiets gaan my 1200 laat staan en vasroes ... dink hy sal miskien moet gaan :(

Ek het nog gedink ek gaan my 650GS gebruik. Hy's nou verkoop...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 12, 2018, 06:20:13 pm
Quote from: Zeeman on October 12, 2018, 03:48:31 pm
Ek het my Rally nou vir n uur lank en so 31 Km plaaspad later.

WAT n BIKE!

Dis die meeste pret op 2 wiele wat ek nog ooit gehad het.
Het my CRF 250 L verkoop vir hom en ek moet se ek het gedink die L was goed maar
hierdie fiets vat die koek.

Afgesien van al die kosmetiese veranderinge is daar twee dinge wat hierdie fiets amazing maak:

1.  Die ratkas is n ware rally kas met baie meer speelruimte in die laer ratte.

2.  Die vering, veral die voorwiel is baie vergewensgesind en ek het lanklaas n bike se
     gat so baie rondgegooi soos met hierdie fiets.

Die enjin is nog effens lui op 2500Km en dit lyk nie of die yoshi pyp enigsiens anders doen as
om te veel te raas nie.

Maar hierdie fiets gaan my 1200 laat staan en vasroes ... dink hy sal miskien moet gaan :(

En het jy geen probleme ondervind met die agterste shock soos Blau nie?
Wonder of syne nie dalk op n Vrydag middag vervaardig was nie
Hoeveel weeg jy mater?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zeeman on October 13, 2018, 07:30:01 am


En het jy geen probleme ondervind met die agterste shock soos Blau nie?
Wonder of syne nie dalk op n Vrydag middag vervaardig was nie
Hoeveel weeg jy mater?

Hi Tom. Ek weeg so 92 kg. Al wanneer die agtershock pla  is as jy afkom na jy oor iets gespring het. Die damping voel swak.
Maar ek jaag maar net hier op die plaas rond en doen nie rerig hoespoed tegniese goed nie.
Ek gaan hom stywer stel en kyk wat gebeur en later miskien kyk of iemand iets daaraan kan doen.
Lyk of ek moet soek vir n tornado shock en laat oordoen.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 13, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.

I think the rebound damping is the main problem. After that it needs a stiffer spring if required. @superfoxi  Did you receive that sample unit from Blauth yet? Would be very interested to know if you can fix the rebound damping on the CRF 250 L/Rally shock.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 14, 2018, 10:49:09 am
Not sure if this is kown fact or rumour but 250 to be replaced by 300?
Same as in CBR 300 but a tad more torque orientated.
Just weird in a way, we all wait for small capicity bikes en when they arrive we want them bigger again
My idea of a ds bike was always the DRZ400 and then sadly it left the market and second hand hard to find in good condition.


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: superfoxi on October 14, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 13, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.

I think the rebound damping is the main problem. After that it needs a stiffer spring if required. @superfoxi  Did you receive that sample unit from Blauth yet? Would be very interested to know if you can fix the rebound damping on the CRF 250 L/Rally shock.

Yes, I received the shock and took it apart. Changing the rebound damping wouldn't be a problem and I have the correct shims and service parts in stock...just need a complete bike to mount the shock to see the difference. I might have to do that more than once to achieve the desired damping.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 15, 2018, 07:41:59 am
Quote from: superfoxi on October 14, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 13, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.

I think the rebound damping is the main problem. After that it needs a stiffer spring if required. @superfoxi  Did you receive that sample unit from Blauth yet? Would be very interested to know if you can fix the rebound damping on the CRF 250 L/Rally shock.

Yes, I received the shock and took it apart. Changing the rebound damping wouldn't be a problem and I have the correct shims and service parts in stock...just need a complete bike to mount the shock to see the difference. I might have to do that more than once to achieve the desired damping.

And Mike, after living with this Wilbers unit and some careful consideration, perhaps 20% stiffer (shock and increase damping) would be more appropriate. As much as this Wilbers shock has transformed my Rally from a wallowy barge into something that feels more like dirt bike handling but it's now just a touch stiff for adventure riding, most noticeable on sections where there are rocks sticking out of the road. Most it's work is for commuting so for my particular application, it's excellent.

Come on Cape Town Rally owners, touch base with Mike and be the test pilot.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 15, 2018, 07:43:47 am
There is a WhatsApp group for Rally owners. If you lads want to be added to it, PM SideTrack or myself.

If you do want to be added, please try keep the topic Rally related.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 15, 2018, 03:23:04 pm
Quote from: superfoxi on October 14, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 13, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.

I think the rebound damping is the main problem. After that it needs a stiffer spring if required. @superfoxi  Did you receive that sample unit from Blauth yet? Would be very interested to know if you can fix the rebound damping on the CRF 250 L/Rally shock.

Yes, I received the shock and took it apart. Changing the rebound damping wouldn't be a problem and I have the correct shims and service parts in stock...just need a complete bike to mount the shock to see the difference. I might have to do that more than once to achieve the desired damping.
This sounds promising  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 15, 2018, 03:25:58 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on October 14, 2018, 10:49:09 am
Not sure if this is kown fact or rumour but 250 to be replaced by 300?
Same as in CBR 300 but a tad more torque orientated.
Just weird in a way, we all wait for small capicity bikes en when they arrive we want them bigger again
My idea of a ds bike was always the DRZ400 and then sadly it left the market and second hand hard to find in good condition.


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I'd say rumour.  I know a lot of people wants the 300 motor or even added the big bore kit to their 250's but I'm not sure if Honda will go this route. The 250 class is big in the East and I reckon its easier for them to sell as is.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 15, 2018, 07:41:26 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on October 15, 2018, 03:25:58 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on October 14, 2018, 10:49:09 am
Not sure if this is kown fact or rumour but 250 to be replaced by 300?
Same as in CBR 300 but a tad more torque orientated.
Just weird in a way, we all wait for small capicity bikes en when they arrive we want them bigger again
My idea of a ds bike was always the DRZ400 and then sadly it left the market and second hand hard to find in good condition.


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I'd say rumour.  I know a lot of people wants the 300 motor or even added the big bore kit to their 250's but I'm not sure if Honda will go this route. The 250 class is big in the East and I reckon its easier for them to sell as is.

Maybe there is a possibility. I see they did a few improvements on the CBR 300 engine so now it's pushes 30hp. Maybe this revised engine finds it's way into the bike for western markets....hopefully with a realistic shock.

I must say, I'm very happy with my Rally albeit with a clicking timing chain.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 15, 2018, 07:57:37 pm
Quote from: superfoxi on October 14, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 13, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 13, 2018, 09:46:31 am
I'm 76 kg and cannot get close to recommended sag even with the preload at maximum. Rebound damping is almost non existent and gets worse the more you up the preload.

I think the rebound damping is the main problem. After that it needs a stiffer spring if required. @superfoxi  Did you receive that sample unit from Blauth yet? Would be very interested to know if you can fix the rebound damping on the CRF 250 L/Rally shock.

Yes, I received the shock and took it apart. Changing the rebound damping wouldn't be a problem and I have the correct shims and service parts in stock...just need a complete bike to mount the shock to see the difference. I might have to do that more than once to achieve the desired damping.
@Zanie
@teebag
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on October 15, 2018, 08:06:11 pm
Happy to help, but will be away until the end of the month
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 16, 2018, 12:37:21 pm
Bigdogadventures on ADVrider just bought a Rally and kitted it nicely, been following his trips for some time now. I would suggest all potential SA owners get to Honda now and grab a red one, 2019 is silver and not as good looking plus we all know the red ones are faster  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 16, 2018, 03:25:19 pm
I like those EVO Adventure bars - nice and high. I find even with 40mm spacers on my standard bar standing up still feels like the bars are way to low.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: IDR on October 16, 2018, 03:30:40 pm
I actually like the silver....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 16, 2018, 04:52:01 pm
Quote from: IDR on October 16, 2018, 03:30:40 pm
I actually like the silver....
Hopefully the Honda red ages well and does not turn into KLR pink  :P
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 21, 2018, 08:24:37 pm
Good day out on the Rally, we rode some sand with a braai in the bush. What a lekker day out.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 21, 2018, 08:44:14 pm
Bring it on  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 22, 2018, 08:44:00 am
I think I was targeting more thorn bushes than staying on the route....   :laughing4:

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 22, 2018, 12:49:49 pm
Quote from: blauth on October 22, 2018, 08:44:00 am
I think I was targeting more thorn bushes than staying on the route....   :laughing4:
Must say my Chinese Cycra's did their job  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 22, 2018, 10:02:29 pm
I replaced my default spaghetti handlebars with tougher ProTaper ones. My original bars were already bent from silly falls, i.e. bike blown over on to its right-hand side by the wind where it is parked on a hard stoep...twice!

I spotted Teebag outside Flying Brick and had time to perv over his handlebar retrofit (among other mods). He got the ProTaper CR High ones. I settled for CR Mid, because (a) High was out of stock, (b) I'm heading to the Old Postal Route this weekend and don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere with busted bars if I had to have a harder fall, and (c) I'm not a pro so will probably not be able to tell the difference anyway.

LanC provided manpower and the drilling of the holes for the instrument cluster pins (to stop them rotating). I was mainly involved in the fiddly bits and making sure no washers go missing - partner dearest tends to lose them.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 23, 2018, 08:08:48 am
That stock bar was properly stuffed  :P
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 23, 2018, 09:59:20 am
@Zanie I cannot remember how many times I went down in Kaokoland and my bars never bent. And that was with an additional 40kg strapped to the bike. Did you have wrap-around hand-guards fitted before your bike's tip-overs?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 23, 2018, 10:45:33 am
Does anyone think the standard bars look a bit bent out of the box or is it just me? :) Both mine and the one I rode at the dealer looked slightly off. May just be an optical illusion. I see it when sitting on the bike and looking at the cross bar carefully.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 23, 2018, 10:52:48 am
Towards the left or the right?

I also have that impression, but it is negligible. Most bars are not perfectly straight. It is also not necessary, since your brain easily takes care of that... Unless you have OCD  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 23, 2018, 12:59:04 pm
Constantinople: Everything was stock standard. No after-market hand-guards or anything. The bike had no extra weight on it. It was standing on a stoep with a bike cover over it when the wind blew it over (130 km/h gust - we get bad NW wind in my burb). This happened twice; both times it was blown onto the right-hand side. I've had one other side-stand tip-over, also to the right, but this was in sand at 0 km/h and I had no luggage, so I doubt the damage came from that.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 23, 2018, 01:10:48 pm
Quote from: Zanie on October 23, 2018, 12:59:04 pm
Constantinople: Everything was stock standard. No after-market hand-guards or anything. The bike had no extra weight on it. It was standing on a stoep with a bike cover over it when the wind blew it over (130 km/h gust - we get bad NW wind in my burb). This happened twice; both times it was blown onto the right-hand side. I've had one other side-stand tip-over, also to the right, but this was in sand at 0 km/h and I had no luggage, so I doubt the damage came from that.

Thanks for the info. Then wrap-around hand-guards reinforce the handlebar nicely. Maybe to the point you do not need a stronger handlebar.

I replaced both the starter/kill switch and the indicator/lights units with aftermarket stuff. One fall ripped my starter button out and another bent the indicator button to a point I could not bend it back. The Honda replacement price was uncomfortable...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 23, 2018, 01:30:43 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 23, 2018, 10:52:48 am
Unless you have OCD  :lol8:

I am completely OCD but at least I'm not going mad if you can see it too :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 23, 2018, 09:55:29 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 23, 2018, 01:10:48 pm
I replaced both the starter/kill switch and the indicator/lights units with aftermarket stuff. One fall ripped my starter button out and another bent the indicator button to a point I could not bend it back. The Honda replacement price was uncomfortable...

Pictures? Part numbers? For the rest of us stock-standard people, just in case any of us hit the same problem.
For interest, what is the cost? I once replaced a 650GS "combination switch" as they call it and it was R 1,890 last year. Ouch.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 24, 2018, 08:01:01 am
Places like Startline usually sells copies of the originals switch gear at much cheaper prices.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 08:04:46 am
Quote from: Zanie on October 23, 2018, 09:55:29 pm
Pictures? Part numbers? For the rest of us stock-standard people, just in case any of us hit the same problem.
For interest, what is the cost? I once replaced a 650GS "combination switch" as they call it and it was R 1,890 last year. Ouch.

SWITCH ASSY., ENGINE STOP - 35130-KZZ-J01 R1943.02
SWITCH ASSY., TURN SIGNAL - 35200-KZZ-J02 R2812.98

I will take some pictures tonight. All the aftermarket stuff plus the Deutsch connectors and sleeves (I have tons of it now, if anyone needs...) was about R1500 if I remember correctly. And now I even have a flasher button! Mine was startline stuff, however they don't have copies of the originals. (The originals sucked, so I looked for something better) Also, startline stuff suffer a bit from corrosion, silicone spray is key...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 09:19:21 am
Probably cheaper to order from bikerbitz? Example:
https://bikerzbits.com/engine-stop-switch-assembly-35130-kzz-901.html
Thats total €49.88 including DHL 3 Days (Excluding Duties)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 09:28:07 am
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 09:19:21 am
Probably cheaper to order from bikerbitz? Example:
https://bikerzbits.com/engine-stop-switch-assembly-35130-kzz-901.html
Thats total €49.88 including DHL 3 Days (Excluding Duties)

I think the rally one is different? The cheapest I could get it was from the USA.

However, then I still sat with the same risk as what I experienced in Koakoland. Starting your bike with a mini usb cable and then eventually a cable tie (not full proof, need to fiddle sometimes) in thick sand sucks big time. Mine broke off on Van Zyl's pass  :dousing:. That is why I went aftermarket.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 09:31:00 am
Here is the Rally one https://bikerzbits.com/genuine-honda-spare-part-35130-kzz-j01.html
Bit cheaper actually.

If the aftermarket is more robust then yes - probably a better buy.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 10:34:57 am
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 09:31:00 am
Here is the Rally one https://bikerzbits.com/genuine-honda-spare-part-35130-kzz-j01.html
Bit cheaper actually.

If the aftermarket is more robust then yes - probably a better buy.

Thanks! Will look into these guys for other stuff in the future. Still don't understand our inflated prices here in RSA for Honda stuff. Weird thing is, other stuff is super cheap. Honda mirrors for rally are like R150. Guy from Honda doing the motorcycle spares also says he does not understand how the pricing works!  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Waiting for delivery
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 01:28:18 pm
Quote from: TenereMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Waiting for delivery
Nice bud. Send some pics and let the mods begin! ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:31:04 pm
Quote from: TenereMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Waiting for delivery

We chatted a long time ago. Where's the Africa Twin?

You know, after we spoke, I really started enjoying my Rally (only after I fixed the shock though). It is a lekker bike albeit far from perfect.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Lads, please can someone in the Cape Town area touch base with SuperFoxi and help him test out that rear shock that he is doing R&D on. He needs a bike to test it on.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 02:05:46 pm
Quote from: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Lads, please can someone in the Cape Town area touch base with SuperFoxi and help him test out that rear shock that he is doing R&D on. He needs a bike to test it on.

I contacted him. I also contacted Honda and they told me this would void my warranty... On the whole bike.   :( Must still check my booklet to confirm.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 24, 2018, 02:26:46 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 10:34:57 am
Honda mirrors for rally are like R150.

Good to know. I tended to break mirrors often with my 650GS.

Quote from: TenereMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Welcome to awesomeness! I am really, really happy with mine. Even the shock doesn't bother me.

Quote from: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Lads, please can someone in the Cape Town area touch base with SuperFoxi and help him test out that rear shock that he is doing R&D on. He needs a bike to test it on.

Two issues: (1) Warranty and (2) it means I won't have my bike for a couple of days and my bike is my everything (commuter, trips, etc.).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 24, 2018, 02:44:37 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 10:34:57 am
Quote from: deapsquatter on October 24, 2018, 09:31:00 am
Here is the Rally one https://bikerzbits.com/genuine-honda-spare-part-35130-kzz-j01.html
Bit cheaper actually.

If the aftermarket is more robust then yes - probably a better buy.

Thanks! Will look into these guys for other stuff in the future. Still don't understand our inflated prices here in RSA for Honda stuff. Weird thing is, other stuff is super cheap. Honda mirrors for rally are like R150. Guy from Honda doing the motorcycle spares also says he does not understand how the pricing works!  :lol8:
Good to know about the mirrors, I actually like the stock ones a lot. Looks good and don't vibrate, might grab a spare set some time.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 24, 2018, 02:45:04 pm
Quote from: TenereMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Waiting for delivery
Great stuff  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 24, 2018, 10:33:00 pm
I'll test that shock here in Gauteng if he can Postnet it to me...  ;D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 25, 2018, 08:09:45 am
Quote from: Zanie on October 24, 2018, 02:26:46 pm
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 10:34:57 am
Honda mirrors for rally are like R150.

Good to know. I tended to break mirrors often with my 650GS.

Quote from: TenereMan on October 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Bought my Rally today :-)

Welcome to awesomeness! I am really, really happy with mine. Even the shock doesn't bother me.

Quote from: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Lads, please can someone in the Cape Town area touch base with SuperFoxi and help him test out that rear shock that he is doing R&D on. He needs a bike to test it on.

Two issues: (1) Warranty and (2) it means I won't have my bike for a couple of days and my bike is my everything (commuter, trips, etc.).

Hey Zanie. I doubt there will be a warranty voiding issue because it will be unrelated to any engine issues where your warranty claim is most likely to arise. Secondly, speak to SuperFoxi. It takes maybe half an hour to swap the shock out and maybe you can be the test pilot on one of your trips.    Scratch that, think about it after your warranty is up.

For me it was such a big deal, I would have sold the bike had I not upgraded the shock.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 25, 2018, 08:11:20 am
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 02:05:46 pm
Quote from: blauth on October 24, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Lads, please can someone in the Cape Town area touch base with SuperFoxi and help him test out that rear shock that he is doing R&D on. He needs a bike to test it on.

I contacted him. I also contacted Honda and they told me this would void my warranty... On the whole bike.   :( Must still check my booklet to confirm.

Honda sound like they are being full of shit.    :eek7:    :patch:

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 25, 2018, 08:23:07 am
Sold the Africa Twin :-)

Busy ordering all the goodies :-)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 25, 2018, 10:01:06 am
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 02:05:46 pm
I contacted him. I also contacted Honda and they told me this would void my warranty... On the whole bike.   :( Must still check my booklet to confirm.

Why would Honda know you are testing another shock in your bike?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:45:23 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 25, 2018, 10:01:06 am
Quote from: Constantinople on October 24, 2018, 02:05:46 pm
I contacted him. I also contacted Honda and they told me this would void my warranty... On the whole bike.   :( Must still check my booklet to confirm.

Why would Honda know you are testing another shock in your bike?
They would not know  :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:47:28 am
What is this Honda warrantee, is it covered two years after you bought it or from it's manufacturers date ? I have heard of zero instances where this bike had to go back to a Honda dealership for any issue.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Intense on October 26, 2018, 10:39:18 am
I guess my warranty was voided when I did my 1000km and 12000km services myself :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 26, 2018, 11:20:15 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:47:28 am
What is this Honda warrantee, is it covered two years after you bought it or from it's manufacturers date ? I have heard of zero instances where this bike had to go back to a Honda dealership for any issue.

There is an initiation date in your service book.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 27, 2018, 06:11:06 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:47:28 am
What is this Honda warrantee, is it covered two years after you bought it or from it's manufacturers date ? I have heard of zero instances where this bike had to go back to a Honda dealership for any issue.

My head bearings were done under warranty and now they gonna need to look at the cam chain tensioner. They insist on the service history being in place though.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 27, 2018, 06:17:15 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 26, 2018, 11:20:15 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:47:28 am
What is this Honda warrantee, is it covered two years after you bought it or from it's manufacturers date ? I have heard of zero instances where this bike had to go back to a Honda dealership for any issue.

There is an initiation date in your service book.

Also, it's 12000km or 1 year, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 27, 2018, 11:21:29 pm
Quote from: blauth on October 27, 2018, 06:17:15 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on October 26, 2018, 11:20:15 am
Quote from: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 09:47:28 am
What is this Honda warrantee, is it covered two years after you bought it or from it's manufacturers date ? I have heard of zero instances where this bike had to go back to a Honda dealership for any issue.

There is an initiation date in your service book.

Also, it's 12000km or 1 year, whichever comes first.
In my case a year will definetly come first  ::)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 28, 2018, 07:42:36 pm
Got my baby today.. Sold my A/T yesterday lol

Did 50km stayd under 4000rpm and 65-70km so far im very impressed.. will have to run her in slowly before we can get more acquainted
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on October 29, 2018, 06:50:35 am
The Rally is a smaller bike, so will rev higher than an AT. At 4000 rpm, I suspect you're lugging the engine, unless you're in the lower gears (1st to 2nd). Its happy space is 6000 rpm. I had to get used to this, because my 650's happy space was 4000. High revs on a Rally are about 8000 and up. Here's a useful video on breaking in a new bike:

https://www.youtube.com/v/u74jYkItdD8
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on October 29, 2018, 07:11:14 am
Quote from: Zanie on October 29, 2018, 06:50:35 am
The Rally is a smaller bike, so will rev higher than an AT. At 4000 rpm, I suspect you're lugging the engine, unless you're in the lower gears (1st to 2nd). Its happy space is 6000 rpm. I had to get used to this, because my 650's happy space was 4000. High revs on a Rally are about 8000 and up. Here's a useful video on breaking in a new bike:

https://www.youtube.com/v/u74jYkItdD8

Good advice. Don't lug it!!!

And if you're impressed under 4000rpm, wait until you get to 6800rpm. Then you'll be much more impressed.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:00:08 am
thanks guys..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 08:10:15 am
Quote from: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:00:08 am
thanks guys..
Agree it's got a bit of a mini punch at 6000rpm  :biggrin: I kept it below 7000rpm when I got it at 750 odd km. But even now I rarely go above 7000rpm unless riding on the freeway which is not often for me. The biggest thing to get used to is that you cant take a slow corner or turn and accelerate away in 3rd like on a bigger single. I often find myself bogging the bike down having to downshift first.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 08:16:16 am
But it really is a nice little bike, it looks so good and it gives it that little X factor that most other bikes nowadays does not have even though it is quite slow and under sprung I really enjoy riding it and every mod I have done to it have just made it better. Best of all I just open the garage get on and off I go, running costs is quite low. Whether you commute or even do some technical riding it can do it all.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:55:10 am
I already have FMF and K&N filter on the way so after the 1000km service will slap that on and ride it lekker
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: tau on October 30, 2018, 06:30:38 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181030/a96acd4d122dcf16fcd9c10ffa55d309.png)

They even wheelie.....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 31, 2018, 12:11:04 pm
Quote from: tau on October 30, 2018, 06:30:38 pm
They even wheelie.....

They might, I don't....   :P
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 31, 2018, 12:13:03 pm
Has anyone given any thought to a "Sikaflex" type tubeless conversion on the Rally? I'm starting to consider giving it a go, one wheel at a time. Just need to run a rim lock as well, where does one buy those? Startline?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Operator on October 31, 2018, 12:24:44 pm
A rimlock on such a light rim/bike might put the balance of the wheel off.......

Result could be that the wheel bounce every time it rotates.  I had such problems in the past.

First try and put an rimlock in and test it before you go the whole way and waste a lot of time and money on Sikaflex.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on October 31, 2018, 12:36:26 pm
Quote from: Operator on October 31, 2018, 12:24:44 pm
A rimlock on such a light rim/bike might put the balance of the wheel off.......

Result could be that the wheel bounce every time it rotates.  I had such problems in the past.

Sure, I had the same on TTR. Static balance with stick on wheel weights helps a lot.

Quote from: Operator on October 31, 2018, 12:24:44 pm
First try and put an rimlock in and test it before you go the whole way and waste a lot of time and money on Sikaflex.

Suppose that's the way to go yes. Worst case rim lock can go off again. Spending money on either this mod or HD tubes and rim locks does get me closer to the cost of Tubliss, so its worth thinking over.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on October 31, 2018, 04:03:41 pm
Mod's so far

K&N Filter
Luggage Rack
CrashBars
Motobatt Lithium Battery
FMF Power Core

Waiting for the Wilburs Suspension kits
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on November 02, 2018, 08:06:38 pm
Quote from: Zanie on October 23, 2018, 09:55:29 pm
Pictures? Part numbers? For the rest of us stock-standard people, just in case any of us hit the same problem.
For interest, what is the cost? I once replaced a 650GS "combination switch" as they call it and it was R 1,890 last year. Ouch.
@Zanie

(https://i.imgur.com/61ywWbh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ItmuUy5.jpg)

Spot what is different

(https://i.imgur.com/lvo3LLf.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BEN TAP on November 05, 2018, 03:25:04 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:00:08 am
thanks guys..
ek het dieselfde gedoen as jy het saterdag my rally gaan haal in bloem
sover baie impress
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 10:43:16 pm
Quote from: BEN TAP on November 05, 2018, 03:25:04 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:00:08 am
thanks guys..
ek het dieselfde gedoen as jy het saterdag my rally gaan haal in bloem
sover baie impress
Congrats their popularity is growing, you will enjoy it
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 06, 2018, 07:58:19 am
Quote from: BEN TAP on November 05, 2018, 03:25:04 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on October 29, 2018, 08:00:08 am
thanks guys..
ek het dieselfde gedoen as jy het saterdag my rally gaan haal in bloem
sover baie impress

You sold your Africa Twin and bought a Rally?  Why are you guys making this decision? Is the AT just too big?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 06, 2018, 08:01:25 am
Small is the new big it seems.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 08:41:47 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on November 06, 2018, 08:01:25 am
Small is the new big it seems.
And looking at what is coming out now the Rally suddenly seems more appealing. Just as comfy on tar as on some technical bits. Not wow suspension but way better than most offerings, 21/18 wheels, fairly light weight, reliable, looks good, Honda backup, economical, easy to ride.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 06, 2018, 10:19:47 am
The A/T is an awesome bike don't get me wrong , I will definitely own one again in future but for my uses the Rally is nice little underestimated bike.. Hop on and go the A/T required more planning if that makes sense its quite a lump to quickly get out garage and go somewhere and I only did 6000km in 2 years with mine never doing more than 200km at once.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BEN TAP on November 06, 2018, 04:09:21 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on November 06, 2018, 10:19:47 am
The A/T is an awesome bike don't get me wrong , I will definitely own one again in future but for my uses the Rally is nice little underestimated bike.. Hop on and go the A/T required more planning if that makes sense its quite a lump to quickly get out garage and go somewhere and I only did 6000km in 2 years with mine never doing more than 200km at once.
net so het dieselfde redes
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 06, 2018, 05:23:53 pm
Ok that makes sense, but then obviously you guys got the wrong bikes from the start?

I would not mind a Rally but not as my only means of transport. I put at least (minimum) 2000km monthly on my NC.

Such a shame there is no midrange do bike like the TA anymore available

Maybe will have to go to the Sus stable at some point in time and have a look at the Xt version of the 650 strom
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on November 06, 2018, 05:23:53 pm
Ok that makes sense, but then obviously you guys got the wrong bikes from the start?

I would not mind a Rally but not as my only means of transport. I put at least (minimum) 2000km monthly on my NC.

Such a shame there is no midrange do bike like the TA anymore available

Maybe will have to go to the Sus stable at some point in time and have a look at the Xt version of the 650 strom
I ride with at least 2 guys who commute daily on their Rally's. For long distance highway yes I would look at something bigger but the 250 can hold it's speeds quite well on the open road.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 07, 2018, 10:44:25 am
you can also look at BMW 310GS if you do more On road than off-road or maybe a lekker Tenere 660 wich I also owned once before sold it for A/T
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 07, 2018, 11:32:17 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 07, 2018, 10:44:25 am
BMW 310GS

Please, this a respectable thread.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 07, 2018, 11:41:21 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 07, 2018, 10:44:25 am
you can also look at BMW 310GS if you do more On road than off-road or maybe a lekker Tenere 660 wich I also owned once before sold it for A/T
Harry is that you ?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: 0012 on November 07, 2018, 12:50:22 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on November 07, 2018, 11:32:17 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 07, 2018, 10:44:25 am
BMW 310GS

Please, this a respectable thread.

 :spitcoffee:   :laughing4:

Quote from: Tom van Brits on November 06, 2018, 05:23:53 pm
Ok that makes sense, but then obviously you guys got the wrong bikes from the start?

yes, many of us fall into the bigger/better trap that 2SD is always on about
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 08, 2018, 12:02:15 pm
Sorry lol
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 08, 2018, 01:08:31 pm
WR250R vs Rally owners perpective
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 08, 2018, 10:10:02 pm
Dear Father Christmas  :deal:

13.2 L would be fantastic on the Rally, a range of 400km easily
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 10, 2018, 08:43:42 am
is it fine if I keep 110-120km on my Rally if it only has done 250km ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 10, 2018, 10:42:25 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 10, 2018, 08:43:42 am
is it fine if I keep 110-120km on my Rally if it only has done 250km ?

The run in procedures have been discussed many times but if you ask me I would say yes it fine bud, but do not keep it at a constant speed for log periods in this run in period but rather play a bit with the throttle. Apparently if you keep at constant speeds during the first 1k km for prolonged periods you may 'glaze' the barrel and that you don't want. Just like a power generator running without a load.

Enjoy your bike....I have my NC in the market and is having a serious look at this little bike. I need something that I can use everyday but also good for long trips into Africa and off the beaten track. Who knows, time will tell...if anybody wants a very special and clean NC go have a look at the for sale thread.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 10, 2018, 12:00:01 pm
Thans bud
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 11, 2018, 10:47:11 am
I'm sure it will be fine, at 120 there is still plenty of revs left. Combine that with a bit off town riding and you are sorted.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 11, 2018, 05:57:39 pm
R100 at the pumps and I explored for a good few hours, area between Lanseria and Harties. First time at this water crossing for me, riding solo looked a bit deeper towards the far end. Hilux crossed from the other side, the depth looked ok and the bike cruised through no problems just be carefull on the slippery moss.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 11, 2018, 05:59:36 pm
Random pics, tweespoor and a bit of single track here and there. I like the stock pipe, the bike is really stealthy almost electric quiet.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 11, 2018, 10:29:15 pm
That looks lekker 'Sidetrack', and on the water crossing; is there sealed wheelbesrings fitted to the Ralley?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 07:48:38 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on November 11, 2018, 10:29:15 pm
That looks lekker 'Sidetrack', and on the water crossing; is there sealed wheelbesrings fitted to the Ralley?
Hi it's got caps that goes over the bearings but not sure if it's waterproof or not. I did a strip down and greased most parts on the bike just after I got it to be safe anyway.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 07:49:11 am
Anyone else rode their Rally over the weekend  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 12, 2018, 09:16:41 am
@jacques, just commuting type riding. It's actually pretty good if you just chillax at 7000rpm on the highway. I fitted a Michelin T63. It's very buzzy compared to the IRC. I won't pick that tyre again. I actually enjoyed the Bridgestone TW302 last time on my Tornado. Will get another of those next time. That crossing that you did is not the crossing I was thinking of. The on I was thinking of was a nightmare walking across with my bicycle the last time I crossed it.

@Tom van Brits, You won't regret it but it will take some getting used to the power downgrade. By the end of the first weekend, you'll be pleased you made the decision.


I booked my Honda in with Honda Centurion again today for them to fix that clickity click sound. They offered me a loan bike again  :thumleft:

The sales guy said: "Do you want the NC750 again or the Rally?"
Me: "The Rally please. The NC is great but I'd just prefer the Rally please."
Sales guy: a bit of a confused look and then simply: "Oh, OK."    :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on November 12, 2018, 09:19:12 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 07:49:11 am
Anyone else rode their Rally over the weekend  :ricky:

Off course! But not like in your picture  ;)
I joined a nice group ride of Rallys and 250Ls. Photos courtesy of Bertus (not sure of his forum name).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 09:22:33 am
Quote from: Zanie on November 12, 2018, 09:19:12 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 07:49:11 am
Anyone else rode their Rally over the weekend  :ricky:

Off course! But not like in your picture  ;)
I joined a nice group ride of Rallys and 250Ls. Photos courtesy of Bertus (not sure of his forum name).
WC Rally ride nice  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 09:25:37 am
One thing I noticed on the Rally this weekend is that on tight twisty bit the fan comes on a lot. As Blauth said the combination of one radiator and enclosed bodywork means it runs a bit hot. I will look at adding a better coolant at the next service maybe.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 04:20:57 pm
Installed voltmeter / usb power. Strapped it to the ABS switch
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 12, 2018, 04:46:49 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 09:25:37 am
One thing I noticed on the Rally this weekend is that on tight twisty bit the fan comes on a lot. As Blauth said the combination of one radiator and enclosed bodywork means it runs a bit hot. I will look at adding a better coolant at the next service maybe.

This weekend was crazy hot bud, before you spend money there just keep an eye on her for a while.

My NC' s fan Harley hardly ever kicks in, they run het cool and I noticed yesterday when I stopped in pta at a robot that the fan came on.

I am sure I will not get the same fuel consumption on the Rally, the last 2 x tanks I avg 31km/l on me NC!
However; I need a proper dual purpose bike so yes let's see what Honda reply. I am awaiting an e mail for a trade
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on November 12, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
Well, maybe we are going mad, but the wife and I are seriously considering to downscale from our 1200 Tenere to two Rallies, one for her and one for me.   :eek7:   :biggrin: 

The 1200 is getting to cumber sum for me with two up and fully loaded for a month trip.   Even if I chuck the sink out it is still a heavy load to manhandle on tricky terrain.

Our thinking is short and long distance travel, mostly on the far back roads, not only on the main gravel roads.  Tar roads will be the last resort. 
So lets see, once I have done my homework properly we will take the final decision.    :patch: :peepwall:   

 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on November 12, 2018, 05:18:47 pm
800km loop with my son, him on my Rally and me on a loan Tornado
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 05:38:44 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on November 12, 2018, 04:46:49 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 09:25:37 am
One thing I noticed on the Rally this weekend is that on tight twisty bit the fan comes on a lot. As Blauth said the combination of one radiator and enclosed bodywork means it runs a bit hot. I will look at adding a better coolant at the next service maybe.

This weekend was crazy hot bud, before you spend money there just keep an eye on her for a while.

My NC' s fan Harley hardly ever kicks in, they run het cool and I noticed yesterday when I stopped in pta at a robot that the fan came on.

I am sure I will not get the same fuel consumption on the Rally, the last 2 x tanks I avg 31km/l on me NC!
However; I need a proper dual purpose bike so yes let's see what Honda reply. I am awaiting an e mail for a trade
Honda reckons 43km/l at a steady 60km/h but that is not a realistic speed in SA and I reckon the average South African rider weighs a bit more  :biggrin: Yes I have heard the NC is very good at being frugal
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 05:43:14 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on November 12, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
Well, maybe we are going mad, but the wife and I are seriously considering to downscale from our 1200 Tenere to two Rallies, one for her and one for me.   :eek7:   :biggrin: 

The 1200 is getting to cumber sum for me with two up and fully loaded for a month trip.   Even if I chuck the sink out it is still a heavy load to manhandle on tricky terrain.

Our thinking is short and long distance travel, mostly on the far back roads, not only on the main gravel roads.  Tar roads will be the last resort. 
So lets see, once I have done my homework properly we will take the final decision.    :patch: :peepwall:   
Just have a look at Marias Africa trip, they did it on a 225 and 250 and on the back roads they make perfect sense but it's still a big shift if you are used to 1200's etc. I have never wanted a big bike, even my 660Z was heavy and cumbersome offroad although a very nice bike
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BEN TAP on November 13, 2018, 04:15:54 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on November 12, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
Well, maybe we are going mad, but the wife and I are seriously considering to downscale from our 1200 Tenere to two Rallies, one for her and one for me.   :eek7:   :biggrin: 

The 1200 is getting to cumber sum for me with two up and fully loaded for a month trip.   Even if I chuck the sink out it is still a heavy load to manhandle on tricky terrain.

Our thinking is short and long distance travel, mostly on the far back roads, not only on the main gravel roads.  Tar roads will be the last resort. 
So lets see, once I have done my homework properly we will take the final decision.    :patch: :peepwall:   
koop een jy sal ni spyt wees ni back to basics
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 13, 2018, 05:07:03 pm
Quote from: teebag on November 12, 2018, 05:18:47 pm
800km loop with my son, him on my Rally and me on a loan Tornado

Please tell us how impressed you were with the Tornado ?   :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 13, 2018, 07:07:44 pm
Did Clarens breakfast over weekend enjoying the little bike.. gona do a 700km service and then again at 5000km. With the silly season around the corner not going to have time to get serviced before I leave to mosselbay and taking the Rally with..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 14, 2018, 09:56:31 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 13, 2018, 07:07:44 pm
Did Clarens breakfast over weekend enjoying the little bike.. gona do a 700km service and then again at 5000km. With the silly season around the corner not going to have time to get serviced before I leave to mosselbay and taking the Rally with..
Going to do the air filter as well ? Wanted to clean mine but they actually oil it so you can just tap to release the dirt.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 10:21:10 am
yeah, I know it probally overkill but gona do everything..

oil and all filters and then when K&N filter comes swap it out again
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 14, 2018, 12:52:07 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 10:21:10 am
yeah, I know it probally overkill but gona do everything..

oil and all filters and then when K&N filter comes swap it out again

Don't do the air filter. It's genuinely just a waste of money with the k's you've done on your bike. Especially in light of the fact that you're going to do the K&N.

Oil and oil filter is a good idea. Especially on a new engine.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BuRP on November 14, 2018, 01:23:46 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 10:21:10 am
when K&N filter comes

K&N filter are oiled cotton gauze.
This type of filter has the least resistance when compared to paper or oiled foam types hence flows the most air, and also (of course, it's not a free world) it filters least good - read: it will flow fine particles through!
Only when sufficient debris has been built up on its surface (this debris clings to it due to the oil, the oil will also encapsulate the particles) it starts to filter better, of course at cost of airflow which will be somewhat reduced then, and will start to approach that of oiled foam filters - which always filter very good, they were actually invented for offroad purposes.
Before you start shouting at me google this.
It follows that you do not want a cotton gauze filter too clean, but what actually follows is that these filters are completely UNsuited for offroad applications!


This is a more than 20 Rand contribution I reckon...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 01:53:29 pm
will read it thanks.. I just never had issues with K&N before always first thing I change on my bike or cars
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on November 14, 2018, 07:05:12 pm
I would not use a K&N either, I had a (BMC) on my GS800 and found it would let through fine dust that was never present with the factory paper element, I started running the BMC on the tar and the paper if I was going offroad, but changing the filter on a 800 is a PITA.  I would the stick to the paper one or a foam/oil if you can find one made for the Rally.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 07:12:01 pm
thanks appreciate all the feedback.. guess engine oil is most important..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on November 14, 2018, 09:39:22 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 13, 2018, 05:07:03 pm
Please tell us how impressed you were with the Tornado ?   :pot:

Not so much, spent a long time looking at the Rally in envy.  The ergos on the tornado where just wrong for me, and I missed the suspension plushness of the Rally
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 15, 2018, 07:27:18 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 14, 2018, 07:12:01 pm
thanks appreciate all the feedback.. guess engine oil is most important..

Engine oil is obviously very important but the problem with letting fine dust through the air filter is that the fine dust gets sucked into the combustion chamber through the throttle body & valves and ultimately kills your top end of your engine.

I have to agree with the other blokes. Stick with the paper filter if you can. This bike will never develop big HP so no point in throwing money at it. Accept the engine as it is. If you want to do some mods, perhaps get an EJK (Electronic Jet Kit) and pipe. Then pull the snorkel and tune accordingly.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 15, 2018, 07:34:43 am
Quote from: teebag on November 14, 2018, 09:39:22 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 13, 2018, 05:07:03 pm
Please tell us how impressed you were with the Tornado ?   :pot:

Not so much, spent a long time looking at the Rally in envy.  The ergos on the tornado where just wrong for me, and I missed the suspension plushness of the Rally

When I came off the Tornado (after doing some 12k km on it), I felt the same when I transitioned onto the Rally. Ergo's were OK but I was dismally disappointed with the marshmellow suspension. I also found that my Tornado had a much torquier engine albeit less powerful on the top end. So it did take some getting used to on the Rally. I've adjusted now (and modded the rear suspension) and now (after 11k km) I really really like my Rally. Especially the fuel consumption. My Tornado got about 23km/l. My Rally about 29km/l.  Fuel range is a big deal for me.

I'm riding a stock Rally this week while Honda fix mine. Compared to mine, the ride is super comfy but the stock rear suspension doesn't inspire confidence at all.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 15, 2018, 07:46:47 am
I think a lekker mod would be to be able to fit a foam filter to the Rally. I don't like the paper filter, and would love to be able to clean and oil more regularly.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 15, 2018, 08:06:25 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on November 15, 2018, 07:46:47 am
I think a lekker mod would be to be able to fit a foam filter to the Rally. I don't like the paper filter, and would love to be able to clean and oil more regularly.

Agree on foam

I had 3 X Foam for my KLR. One in the tool tube, and always another clean one waiting to be exchanged with the dirty one. I have clean my airfilter on the KLR every other week on a Friday. Also cleaned and lubed the chain and washed the bike.

Foam is in my view the best
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blockheadxl650v on November 15, 2018, 06:03:52 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on November 10, 2018, 08:43:42 am
is it fine if I keep 110-120km on my Rally if it only has done 250km ?

saw this on you tube re running in a bike motor

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=231304.0;topicseen
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on November 15, 2018, 10:50:20 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 09:25:37 am
One thing I noticed on the Rally this weekend is that on tight twisty bit the fan comes on a lot. As Blauth said the combination of one radiator and enclosed bodywork means it runs a bit hot. I will look at adding a better coolant at the next service maybe.

I spent a weekend in Tankwa and Cederberg (Postal Route, Eselbank, etc.) in temperatures registering 42 deg C in the shade. The Rally's fan did come on a lot. My left leg was slowly roasted. But... I had the easiest ride out of our little mixed group (other bikes were DR660, Husky701 and 800GSA). I was smiles all the way. Two of our little group suffered bad heat exhaustion (as in - took hours to recover). The other was jealous of my bike from a comfy suspension perspective.

Quote from: Vis Arend on November 12, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
The 1200 is getting to cumber sum for me with two up and fully loaded for a month trip.   Even if I chuck the sink out it is still a heavy load to manhandle on tricky terrain.

Our thinking is short and long distance travel, mostly on the far back roads, not only on the main gravel roads.  Tar roads will be the last resort. 

This is the type of riding I do (and commuting). The Rally is the perfect bike for it. I do not miss my 650GS. Long highway stretches of tar can be done, but is not ideal. Yet the ease of riding on fun/technical roads is worth it.

I have learnt to downscale packing and can fit everything I need (including tools) on the bike. In the picture below, the tools (tubes for the Rally and 800GSA, compressor, little stand to act as "centre stand") are in the u-bag (Lance carried the spanners, allan keys, etc.). My clothes for the weekend were in the tail bag - it's usually fuller on winter rides, but the amount of clothes generally doesn't increase with the number of days of a trip (aside from underwear).

Quote from: sidetrack on November 12, 2018, 05:38:44 pm
Honda reckons 43km/l at a steady 60km/h but that is not a realistic speed in SA and I reckon the average South African rider weighs a bit more  :biggrin: Yes I have heard the NC is very good at being frugal

Real-life usage stats seem to indicate an average of 3.6 lit/100km (i.e. 28 km/lit): http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/crf250l_rally (http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/crf250l_rally)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on November 16, 2018, 04:39:30 am
Quote from: Zanie on November 15, 2018, 10:50:20 pm

Quote from: Vis Arend on November 12, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
The 1200 is getting to cumber sum for me with two up and fully loaded for a month trip.   Even if I chuck the sink out it is still a heavy load to manhandle on tricky terrain.

Our thinking is short and long distance travel, mostly on the far back roads, not only on the main gravel roads.  Tar roads will be the last resort. 

This is the type of riding I do (and commuting). The Rally is the perfect bike for it. I do not miss my 650GS. Long highway stretches of tar can be done, but is not ideal. Yet the ease of riding on fun/technical roads is worth it.

I have learnt to downscale packing and can fit everything I need (including tools) on the bike. In the picture below, the tools (tubes for the Rally and 800GSA, compressor, little stand to act as "centre stand") are in the u-bag (Lance carried the spanners, allan keys, etc.). My clothes for the weekend were in the tail bag - it's usually fuller on winter rides, but the amount of clothes generally doesn't increase with the number of days of a trip (aside from underwear).



Thanks Zanie, that is exactly the tipe of info I need.  I thinks I pretty much made up my mind.    :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on November 16, 2018, 11:53:25 am
Lekker @Zanie  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: adamktm on November 20, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
Someone mentioned on this thread or the other one that the OEM mirrors are great and are about R150 each. Anyone got a part number for me please?

Want to see if they will fit on my 690 cos I snapped one off this past weekend.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on November 20, 2018, 04:50:01 pm
I am going in the next few weeks fit folding mirrors. Then you can have mine. Please be patient I am extremely busy at present
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on November 20, 2018, 08:33:45 pm
Quote from: adamktm on November 20, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
Someone mentioned on this thread or the other one that the OEM mirrors are great and are about R150 each. Anyone got a part number for me please?

Want to see if they will fit on my 690 cos I snapped one off this past weekend.

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/2017/crf250rla-ac-rally-abs/mirror-knuckle-guard (https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/2017/crf250rla-ac-rally-abs/mirror-knuckle-guard)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: adamktm on November 21, 2018, 05:41:16 am
Quote from: Robin Brown on November 20, 2018, 04:50:01 pm
I am going in the next few weeks fit folding mirrors. Then you can have mine. Please be patient I am extremely busy at present

Thanks Robin. I won’t be riding for a while now anyway. Will PM you my number.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 22, 2018, 08:36:51 am
Anyone with an FMF megabomb header ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on November 22, 2018, 09:06:59 am
At 6-7k not worth it
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 22, 2018, 09:29:57 am
was wondering about that lol
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 26, 2018, 09:06:52 am
sorry all the quastions lol

anyone running a EJK kit on Rally
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 26, 2018, 09:35:49 am
Quote from: RallyMan on November 26, 2018, 09:06:52 am
sorry all the quastions lol

anyone running a EJK kit on Rally
No but would like to try one, hopefully fuel consumption wont suffer
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 26, 2018, 09:38:04 am
Another good outing, took the Rally on some tracks I previously did on my KTM 525. No sweat for the bike, handled everything really well. The on the way home disaster, the GPS RAM mount  U clamp worked it's way loose  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 26, 2018, 09:41:10 am
Here are some pics of Jacques, Jaco and myself (actually only our bikes, every time one of us got into the camera it would go out of ficus for some reason ...  :o) on yesterdays ride. Great ride, albeit hot as hell.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 26, 2018, 09:45:34 am
This little Rally really does ride like a slightly overweight dirt bike .... it's really awesome and soooo easy to ride in technical terrain.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 26, 2018, 09:47:41 am
and final pics
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 26, 2018, 09:52:53 am
Got one from Ebay will let you know what my experience is
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on November 26, 2018, 10:43:24 am
Thanks for the stunning pics sidetrack and blauth! This bike really shines in that type of terrain.

(Aside: How do I tag someone in a post?)

I'm still in two minds whether to take my CRF230F or the Rally on a Kaokoland tour with Hardy. I'm not worried about rocky trails or Van Zyls with the Rally, but I still need to learn to ride sand with it.

The 230 makes sand seem easy, but it's the reason why I haven't been able to train sand with the Rally: I was off dirt/gravel biking for 5 months thanks to a crash at a funduro.

I'm hoping to attend some sand training with the Rally (as a gentle initiation) and then start taking it out on the Parklands sand trails in our area. This is a vid of me out on the trails with the 230, five months b.c. (before crash):



A plus in the Rally's favour is that no maintenance will be required on the Kaokoland trip (I think it will be a 2000 km trip). For the 230, I'd need to take a spare prepped air filter and do an oil change en route. Both bikes have my trust with regards to reliability factor - something I did not have when I rode the 650GS, which seemed to like breaking down.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 26, 2018, 11:04:22 am
Im also planning that same trip Zanie , gona take my Rally so take yours  :biggrin:

I will help you out wherever I can as well
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on November 26, 2018, 08:35:57 pm
It seems there will be a little fleet of Rallys then. Vis Arend and Mev Vis Arend are looking into two Rallys for the trip as well.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 27, 2018, 08:40:30 am
then you have your answer :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 27, 2018, 03:23:44 pm
 :lol8: 8)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on November 28, 2018, 08:06:24 am
That's so cool will also take 2
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 28, 2018, 09:43:51 am
Sidetrack is the third bike in your group a DR 650 with double exhausts?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 28, 2018, 11:04:26 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 28, 2018, 09:43:51 am
Sidetrack is the third bike in your group a DR 650 with double exhausts?
Exhaust on the left is a FMF that was converted into a toolbox  8)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on November 29, 2018, 08:11:49 am
Quote from: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.

Best sticker ever. I'll take two if they materialize.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on November 29, 2018, 10:39:57 am
Seems as if we will get our two 250 Rallies soon.   :thumleft: :thumleft:

A question or two for the current owners.

Where do you get your accessories, I am looking at the following.

1.  Crash bars, something light and small.
2.  Luggage Carrier
3.  Handlebar risers for me
4.  Handlebar Lever guard, or is it standard on the rally?

Any other suggestions?


 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 29, 2018, 11:27:17 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on November 29, 2018, 10:39:57 am
Seems as if we will get our two 250 Rallies soon.   :thumleft: :thumleft:

A question or two for the current owners.

Where do you get your accessories, I am looking at the following.

1.  Crash bars, something light and small.
2.  Luggage Carrier
3.  Handlebar risers for me
4.  Handlebar Lever guard, or is it standard on the rally?

Any other suggestions?
In Cape will be Zebra flying brick as I bought my rear rack through them, sure they also do risers and handlebars
Crash bars - you only need the lower ones = Rockfox
Standard lever guard on Rally is only good enough for keeping small twigs at bay wont protect the levers at all
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 29, 2018, 12:11:42 pm


Quote from: Vis Arend on Today at 10:39:57 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4172131#msg4172131)>Seems as if we will get our two 250 Rallies soon.   :thumleft: :thumleft:

A question or two for the current owners.

Where do you get your accessories, I am looking at the following.

1.  Crash bars, something light and small.
2.  Luggage Carrier
3.  Handlebar risers for me
4.  Handlebar Lever guard, or is it standard on the rally?

Any other suggestions?
Yes, we do quite a bit for these bikes, and usually have 2 styles of luggage carriers in stock, raisers no problem, BarkBusters in stock, and crash bars in stock (Rockfox - no price difference between Rockfox direct and Flying Brick, same:same!)
We do a few other products, will consult 'The List' and revert...
thanks, Chris & Team




Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on November 29, 2018, 12:49:19 pm
Very happy with my "north south" luggage rack from Flying Brick ! Protects the indicators as well and has ample space for luggage although have found that east west bars makes it easier to strap things down but maybe just playing with my mind  :o
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 29, 2018, 01:26:31 pm
East-West rack (2 in stock); R1195 incl vat.


Cheers
Chris & Team
www.flyingbrick.co.za




Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 11:58:21 am
Worthwhile mod I would say, replaces the stock tool box and should give another 180km range. May interfere with a luggage rack though

https://camel-adv.com/products/honda-crf250l-camel-tank-ct-250l?variant=42197151117
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 10, 2018, 03:19:37 pm
That is R6k and then you still need to pay tax at customs?
Beautiful mould and will actually support soft luggage I think
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 03:24:47 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on December 10, 2018, 03:19:37 pm
That is R6k and then you still need to pay tax at customs?
Beautiful mould and will actually support soft luggage I think
Flying Brick has stock for R4999
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 10, 2018, 03:26:05 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 03:24:47 pm
Quote from: Tom van Brits on December 10, 2018, 03:19:37 pm
That is R6k and then you still need to pay tax at customs?
Beautiful mould and will actually support soft luggage I think
Flying Brick has stock for R4999

Ok that sounds good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 10, 2018, 03:39:49 pm
yes: we have 12 of those very tanks in stock, just R4999 on d-e-e-e-p special, regular price + SA vat (15%) was R6999 - now closer to R7499, if bringing in more product...

(no import duty payable on fuel tanks, just so you are aware, just custom fees + SHIPPING ! + 15% vat...)

the 12 we have in stock are designed to fit KTM 1050/1090/1190 & 1290: but the identical/SAME tank also fits CRF 250L and 250 Rally, JUST the BRACKET for that/those bikes (CRF 250 L + Rally) is different...Just letting you know I am selling them at R4999,

...a little bit of bending / rework would be needed for the KTM attachment brackets (supplied in box...)https://flyingbrick.co.za/product/camel-tank-ktm-1050-1090-1190-1290-adv/ (https://flyingbrick.co.za/product/camel-tank-ktm-1050-1090-1190-1290-adv/) If someone twists my arm and fabs up a me a bracket design, I may sharpen my pencil, further...!Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 03:57:15 pm
Must say the tank actually makes the bike much narrower from the back, the stock toolbox is quite bulky. Looks good too  :thumleft:
Chris any chance if you know if it will clear the luggage rack ? Looks like a close call to me  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 04:02:18 pm
 8)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on December 10, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
I will buy and fit one to see what is involved. Sent Chris a PM
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 10, 2018, 06:33:23 pm
Quote from: Robin Brown on December 10, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
I will buy and fit one to see what is involved. Sent Chris a PM
Great  :thumleft:
I have read very positive reviews and it looks quite easy to hookup to the main tank. Youtube CRF250L Camel tank install. Should give close to 500km range
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: adamktm on December 11, 2018, 04:26:14 pm
Quote from: Robin Brown on December 10, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
I will buy and fit one to see what is involved. Sent Chris a PM

Have you manage to find the time to replace your mirrors yet @Robin Brown
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 12, 2018, 08:25:48 am
the 6L rear CAMEL tank has gone to ANDY660, to check on bracket fabrication/adaption for the CRF 250 Rally (and CRF 250L); will post news as/when it happens here - this could take some time, but will update as we hear anything.


video of fitment HERE: https://youtu.be/SHNXEMmZKAs



Cheers!
Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 12, 2018, 04:48:59 pm
fabricator is looking for a JHB-based CRF 250 RALLY to have a prototype Orange headlight protector made up, so we can stock/supply these.


If you think have 60 - 90 minutes free, then let me know, and I'll put you in touch with the fabricator - 1st set is USUALLY free, and your bike will NOT be damaged in any way!


He is in RANDBURG area...


Cheers
Chris & Team
021 510 6455
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Offshore on December 12, 2018, 06:55:08 pm
I drove a crf 250 today and decided there and then this Bike will be joining my Stable in 2019.  :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 12, 2018, 07:43:31 pm
Quote from: Offshore on December 12, 2018, 06:55:08 pm
I drove a crf 250 today and decided there and then this Bike will be joining my Stable in 2019.  :ricky:
Nice one, new or demo ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Offshore on December 12, 2018, 08:01:59 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 12, 2018, 07:43:31 pm
Quote from: Offshore on December 12, 2018, 06:55:08 pm
I drove a crf 250 today and decided there and then this Bike will be joining my Stable in 2019.  :ricky:
Nice one, new or demo ?
I drove a Demo F, the Motor is sweet, Suspension is plush for a Toppie. Not sure whether I should get the L or R
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on December 12, 2018, 09:10:04 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on December 12, 2018, 04:48:59 pm
fabricator is looking for a JHB-based CRF 250 RALLY to have a prototype Orange headlight protector made up, so we can stock/supply these.

If you think have 60 - 90 minutes free, then let me know, and I'll put you in touch with the fabricator - 1st set is USUALLY free, and your bike will NOT be damaged in any way!

He is in RANDBURG area...

Cheers
Chris & Team
021 510 6455

I'm in Randburg, can drop me a PM or Whatsapp - zero eight two 768 zero 222
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 13, 2018, 07:47:43 am


Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on Yesterday at 09:10:04 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4179192#msg4179192)


>Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on Yesterday at 04:48:59 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4179083#msg4179083)
fabricator is looking for a JHB-based CRF 250 RALLY to have a prototype Orange headlight protector made up, so we can stock/supply these.

If you think have 60 - 90 minutes free, then let me know, and I'll put you in touch with the fabricator - 1st set is USUALLY free, and your bike will NOT be damaged in any way!

He is in RANDBURG area...

Cheers
Chris & Team
021 510 6455



I'm in Randburg, can drop me a PM or Whatsapp - zero eight two 768 zero 222
thanks, WhatsApping you now, thanks!
Chris & Team


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 13, 2018, 01:57:18 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on December 12, 2018, 08:25:48 am
the 6L rear CAMEL tank has gone to ANDY660, to check on bracket fabrication/adaption for the CRF 250 Rally (and CRF 250L); will post news as/when it happens here - this could take some time, but will update as we hear anything.


video of fitment HERE: https://youtu.be/SHNXEMmZKAs



Cheers!
Chris & Team
Please let us know how it goes
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on December 15, 2018, 04:37:57 pm
we are making templates using my bike for the fitting brackets and then will engineer to fit the crf250s.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on December 15, 2018, 04:39:37 pm
eddy2race has fitted tubliss front and back to my bike. monday 400km offroad test
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on December 15, 2018, 06:12:56 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on December 15, 2018, 08:10:36 pm
Quote from: Robin Brown on December 15, 2018, 04:39:37 pm
eddy2race has fitted tubliss front and back to my bike. monday 400km offroad test

Please tell us more once tested.  Would like to go that route as well.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 17, 2018, 04:20:22 pm
16000km owner review, no issues just had to change tyres

https://adventurebikerider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47385&sid=d122741ba221a76c6b5e6d2d0fe6c917
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on December 17, 2018, 04:37:33 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 17, 2018, 04:20:22 pm
16000km owner review, no issues just had to change tyres

https://adventurebikerider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47385&sid=d122741ba221a76c6b5e6d2d0fe6c917

 :thumleft:

I will still do a proper write-up on our little 250's, the wife a L and me a rally. 
For now, after 4 days of riding on all sorts of terrain, I am struggling to get the smile of my face.  These little bikes has taken the wind out of my sails. 
So far to much happy.   :deal: :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 17, 2018, 04:41:28 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on December 17, 2018, 04:37:33 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 17, 2018, 04:20:22 pm
16000km owner review, no issues just had to change tyres

https://adventurebikerider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47385&sid=d122741ba221a76c6b5e6d2d0fe6c917

 :thumleft:

I will still do a proper write-up on our little 250's, the wife a L and me a rally. 
For now, after 4 days of riding on all sorts of terrain, I am struggling to get the smile of my face.  These little bikes has taken the wind out of my sails. 
So far to much happy.   :deal: :deal:

Congrats oom Vis, yes please do n nice write up!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on December 17, 2018, 05:51:36 pm
I've just made an orange lense cover. Quick easy and fun to do. Tee bag or zanie are you interested, I've got another piece of perspex?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181217/5b39a76fff5ae2710302d492a0130d36.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181217/2cced154d2e0d6e00a7c64845a435bf9.jpg)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on December 17, 2018, 08:08:34 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on December 17, 2018, 04:37:33 pm
I will still do a proper write-up on our little 250's, the wife a L and me a rally. 
For now, after 4 days of riding on all sorts of terrain, I am struggling to get the smile of my face.  These little bikes has taken the wind out of my sails. 
So far to much happy.   :deal: :deal:

I'm almost on 9000km with my Rally and still flipping happy. :biggrin: The engine becomes more lively as it is run in. The suspension is perfect for my type of riding: (1) non-spirited, (2) off-road that's more tecnical than gravel highway, and (3) commuting. The fuel economy is awesome. And very importantly, the bike is so sexy!

The only mods / installations so far:
1) Battery lead connector for a compressor or charger.
2) Rear luggage rack.
3) Luggage attachment points (for u-shaped bag).
4) ProTaper handlebar (the standard one is soft and bent quite badly from a 0 km/h tip-over).

Quote from: Rhian on December 17, 2018, 05:51:36 pm
I've just made an orange lense cover. Quick easy and fun to do. Tee bag or zanie are you interested, I've got another piece of perspex?

Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll keep the lights standard. I know someone whose bike's light was damaged due to overheating after installing a lens-cover. It wasn't a Rally's light, but I don't think I want to take chances, especially given that I ride quite slow in technical sections (less airflow = more heat).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on December 17, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
I drilled a lot of 4mm holes in my GS lens cover.  Did the job either way. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 17, 2018, 10:27:42 pm
Also noticed now on 5000km the motor seems smoother, should be perfect at 20000km :3some:
Anyhow this scoot runs 120km/h on the tar or dirt highways, I only need to service maybe once or twice a year, gives me 30km/l and has pretty much gone where I rode my 525 without sweating too much.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 18, 2018, 01:05:44 pm
Skip to 4:25, good review for someone looking for a commuter  / DS bike

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Challa on December 19, 2018, 09:48:49 am
I will probably keep my KLR in the long run, but these bikes definitely pique my interest for a second bike as a commuter and lightweight ADV option.

From what I understand suspension some work is required, but does anybody have personal experience of how this bike fares with a 90 kg rider?

Cheers!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 19, 2018, 10:13:44 am
Quote from: Challa on December 19, 2018, 09:48:49 am
I will probably keep my KLR in the long run, but these bikes definitely pique my interest for a second bike as a commuter and lightweight ADV option.

From what I understand suspension some work is required, but does anybody have personal experience of how this bike fares with a 90 kg rider?

Cheers!

Weirdly some say the rear suspension is kark and others sound extremely happy.
Think it depends on what you expect of the bike and also your riding style.
Coming from a KLR (with respect I had KLR and lived it) the Rally suspension maybe better  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:53:39 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on December 19, 2018, 10:13:44 am
Quote from: Challa on December 19, 2018, 09:48:49 am
I will probably keep my KLR in the long run, but these bikes definitely pique my interest for a second bike as a commuter and lightweight ADV option.

From what I understand suspension some work is required, but does anybody have personal experience of how this bike fares with a 90 kg rider?

Cheers!

Weirdly some say the rear suspension is kark and others sound extremely happy.
Think it depends on what you expect of the bike and also your riding style.
Coming from a KLR (with respect I had KLR and lived it) the Rally suspension maybe better  :lol8:
Front on the Rally is very good, tracts straight and keeps its line and with a bit of spirited riding I have never bottomed it out. The rear is very plush and definetly needs an upgrade for anyone over 70kg.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:55:30 am
Quote from: katana on December 17, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
I drilled a lot of 4mm holes in my GS lens cover.  Did the job either way.
I reckon the because the rally uses LED lights there would be no heat to worry about. Now if you hit a rock and it cracked a new headlight unit is very expensive from what I have heard. It's a complete unit built to last as long as the bikes life.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Challa on December 19, 2018, 11:14:47 am
Quote from: Tom van Brits on December 19, 2018, 10:13:44 am
Quote from: Challa on December 19, 2018, 09:48:49 am
I will probably keep my KLR in the long run, but these bikes definitely pique my interest for a second bike as a commuter and lightweight ADV option.

From what I understand suspension some work is required, but does anybody have personal experience of how this bike fares with a 90 kg rider?

Cheers!

Weirdly some say the rear suspension is kark and others sound extremely happy.
Think it depends on what you expect of the bike and also your riding style.
Coming from a KLR (with respect I had KLR and lived it) the Rally suspension maybe better  :lol8:

 :laughing4: No offence taken !
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on December 19, 2018, 02:03:11 pm
Has anyone here used the lowering linkage?
About to order it, on bikerzbits.
I had it on my DRZ.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on December 19, 2018, 02:14:00 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:53:39 am
Front on the Rally is very good, tracts straight and keeps its line and with a bit of spirited riding I have never bottomed it out. The rear is very plush and definetly needs an upgrade for anyone over 70kg.

Maybe that's why I'm happy. I'm below that 70kg limit and I do not ride fast on the technical stuff.

Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:55:30 am
I reckon the because the rally uses LED lights there would be no heat to worry about. Now if you hit a rock and it cracked a new headlight unit is very expensive from what I have heard. It's a complete unit built to last as long as the bikes life.

Why do the 1090/1290 KTMs have a heat sink for their LED headlights? Or is something different happening here?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on December 19, 2018, 02:21:17 pm
Replacement headlight unit 311 euros

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 19, 2018, 02:27:16 pm


Quote from: Rhian on Today at 02:21:17 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4181850#msg4181850)>Replacement headlight unit 311 euros

Ouch!!!  :scratch: :sad4: :sad3:

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 02:30:11 pm
Quote from: Zanie on December 19, 2018, 02:14:00 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:53:39 am
Front on the Rally is very good, tracts straight and keeps its line and with a bit of spirited riding I have never bottomed it out. The rear is very plush and definetly needs an upgrade for anyone over 70kg.

Maybe that's why I'm happy. I'm below that 70kg limit and I do not ride fast on the technical stuff.

Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:55:30 am
I reckon the because the rally uses LED lights there would be no heat to worry about. Now if you hit a rock and it cracked a new headlight unit is very expensive from what I have heard. It's a complete unit built to last as long as the bikes life.

Why do the 1090/1290 KTMs have a heat sink for their LED headlights? Or is something different happening here?
Heat sink will sit at the back of the light unit but doubt the headlight plastic itself gets any heat.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: katana on December 19, 2018, 04:37:24 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:55:30 am
Quote from: katana on December 17, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
I drilled a lot of 4mm holes in my GS lens cover.  Did the job either way.
I reckon the because the rally uses LED lights there would be no heat to worry about. Now if you hit a rock and it cracked a new headlight unit is very expensive from what I have heard. It's a complete unit built to last as long as the bikes life.
A-hem.  I follow the thread, but it looks like I should leave the answers to owners  ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 04:48:38 pm
Quote from: katana on December 19, 2018, 04:37:24 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on December 19, 2018, 10:55:30 am
Quote from: katana on December 17, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
I drilled a lot of 4mm holes in my GS lens cover.  Did the job either way.
I reckon the because the rally uses LED lights there would be no heat to worry about. Now if you hit a rock and it cracked a new headlight unit is very expensive from what I have heard. It's a complete unit built to last as long as the bikes life.
A-hem.  I follow the thread, but it looks like I should leave the answers to owners  ;) :thumleft:
Meant to answer Zanies question about the KTM heat sinks sorry  :P
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on December 24, 2018, 06:21:35 pm
 https://bikerzbits.com/aluminium-crf250l-m-rear-rack.html
Just got this rack but front washer is the size of the rear washer iso front washer which is smaller. So I'm struggling to fit, too tight.
I vaguely remember seeing a review but can't remember where or if it was regarding this rack.
Any suggestions?

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on December 24, 2018, 06:46:56 pm
Quote from: Rhian on December 24, 2018, 06:21:35 pm
https://bikerzbits.com/aluminium-crf250l-m-rear-rack.html
Just got this rack but front washer is the size of the rear washer iso front washer which is smaller. So I'm struggling to fit, too tight.
I vaguely remember seeing a review but can't remember where or if it was regarding this rack.
Any suggestions?

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Cancel above second brute force attempt worked! Foot on seat, back braced against bakkie and pulled hard.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on December 24, 2018, 09:32:42 pm
Fancy rack  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 07, 2019, 05:57:36 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 08, 2018, 10:10:02 pm
Dear Father Christmas  :deal:

13.2 L would be fantastic on the Rally, a range of 400km easily

Is this available in SA and will it also fit the L? 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on January 07, 2019, 08:03:15 am
Travelling on gravel and small amounts of tar at the moment in Prince Albert. Have been doing nearly 200km then refuel and only putting in about 5 litres. So potentially already have a 400km range just not riding in town!

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2019, 08:51:03 am
Quote from: Rhian on January 07, 2019, 08:03:15 am
Travelling on gravel and small amounts of tar at the moment in Prince Albert. Have been doing nearly 200km then refuel and only putting in about 5 litres. So potentially already have a 400km range just not riding in town!

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2019, 08:52:00 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on January 07, 2019, 05:57:36 am
Quote from: sidetrack on November 08, 2018, 10:10:02 pm
Dear Father Christmas  :deal:

13.2 L would be fantastic on the Rally, a range of 400km easily

Is this available in SA and will it also fit the L?
Don't think so but one of the vendors like Offroad Cycle might bring some in I would guess, easier solution would be just to add the Came Tank
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 07, 2019, 08:57:53 am
REQUEST:


Mike, at ROCKFOX, is finalizing CRF 250L and CRF 250 Rally PANNIER RACKS, and we have an order in for a few sets...


He needs a LOAN bike, for an hour or so, to check TWO things:


For Mike: 1 tube runs close to the plastics - he wants to modify his jig before production, and needs a bike to CHECK: literally for 1 hour...


For Flying Brick: we are asking him to SPACE OUT the rack, 3cm or so, to allow a 5L hard fuel cell to fit on the INSIDE of these self-same pannier racks, and he would then take measurements to check the rising swing-arm misses the fuel cell.


After that, there may be a symmetrical rack design, WITHOUT extra width on non-exhaust side, else just one rack that is SLIGHTLY wider on non-exhaust side to allow fitment of fuel cell.


NOTE!: whoever volunteers usually gets either free product else discounted product for their time/effort!


If you think you can help, then let us know.
Cheers
Chris + Mike
021 510 6455
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on January 07, 2019, 10:06:12 am
Can he take measurements at WMC? if so I can meet him there in the week.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 07, 2019, 11:47:52 am


Quote from: teebag on Today at 10:06:12 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4187349#msg4187349)>Can he take measurements at WMC? if so I can meet him there in the week.
remind me, if you will? WMC?


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on January 07, 2019, 11:59:30 am
@zebra - Flying Brick  Woodstock Moto Co
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 07, 2019, 12:37:27 pm


Quote from: teebag on Today at 10:06:12 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4187349#msg4187349)>Can he take measurements at WMC? if so I can meet him there in the week.
He need access to a couple of tools and things in his workshop, unfortunately, so it will HAVE to be out at Joostenbergvlakte area,
...so requesting anyone else, literally an hour or so...
but THANKS for offering, appreciated  :thumleft:
Cheers, Chris (and Mike).


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on January 07, 2019, 01:21:07 pm
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on January 07, 2019, 11:47:52 am


Quote from: teebag on Today at 10:06:12 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=196906.msg4187349#msg4187349)>Can he take measurements at WMC? if so I can meet him there in the week.
remind me, if you will? WMC?


White Monopoly Capital     :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Rhian on January 08, 2019, 07:18:36 am
Quote from: zebra - Flying Brick on January 07, 2019, 08:57:53 am
REQUEST:


Mike, at ROCKFOX, is finalizing CRF 250L and CRF 250 Rally PANNIER RACKS, and we have an order in for a few sets...


He needs a LOAN bike, for an hour or so, to check TWO things:


For Mike: 1 tube runs close to the plastics - he wants to modify his jig before production, and needs a bike to CHECK: literally for 1 hour...


For Flying Brick: we are asking him to SPACE OUT the rack, 3cm or so, to allow a 5L hard fuel cell to fit on the INSIDE of these self-same pannier racks, and he would then take measurements to check the rising swing-arm misses the fuel cell.


After that, there may be a symmetrical rack design, WITHOUT extra width on non-exhaust side, else just one rack that is SLIGHTLY wider on non-exhaust side to allow fitment of fuel cell.


NOTE!: whoever volunteers usually gets either free product else discounted product for their time/effort!


If you think you can help, then let us know.
Cheers
Chris + Mike
021 510 6455
I'll make contact when back in Cape Town if no one has been forthcoming.

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 08, 2019, 08:00:47 am
thanks, Rhian, noted.
Chris & Team
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Constantinople on January 08, 2019, 09:53:02 am
I can make a turn Friday afternoon. However, would Mike be keen to measure my bike to make something else as well...? Similar, but not the same. Not really interested in a full luggage rack.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 08, 2019, 01:47:40 pm
@Mike Adendorff


Mike: does this work for you?
Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mike Adendorff on January 09, 2019, 08:20:39 am
Quote from: Constantinople on January 08, 2019, 09:53:02 am
I can make a turn Friday afternoon. However, would Mike be keen to measure my bike to make something else as well...? Similar, but not the same. Not really interested in a full luggage rack.

Hi Constantinople, Sure I will measure something else up for you in return not a problem. About what time were you thinking off, we were going through to Yzerfontein on Friday but I can flex my time around the bike.

You can drop me a mail on mike@rockfox.co.za
Or give me a ring at 072 461 8472

Thanks
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on January 11, 2019, 11:10:50 am
Im 86kg did a 500km day trip in Lesotho and rode the bike like dirt bike , Had one jump where I felt I bottomed ,  otherwise small ruts and hills is no problem and very technical also no issue.Don't think ill do rear suspension until I manage to damage or break it..

Really happy with little Bike
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sparro on January 11, 2019, 02:29:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.


Ill take 2 as well, just pm me with details, much appreciated!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 03:15:22 pm
Quote from: sparro on January 11, 2019, 02:29:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.


Ill take 2 as well, just pm me with details, much appreciated!
Me as well
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 11, 2019, 03:20:43 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 03:15:22 pm
Quote from: sparro on January 11, 2019, 02:29:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.


Ill take 2 as well, just pm me with details, much appreciated!
Me as well

I will take 2 sets as well.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on January 11, 2019, 03:38:12 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on January 11, 2019, 03:20:43 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 03:15:22 pm
Quote from: sparro on January 11, 2019, 02:29:47 pm
Quote from: blauth on November 27, 2018, 03:43:40 pm
I know someone who can do these stickers for us. Let me send him a text and see how much they will cost.


Ill take 2 as well, just pm me with details, much appreciated!
Me as well

I will take 2 sets as well.   :thumleft:

I'll take a set as well, thanks.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 15, 2019, 10:16:28 am
What is the official wet weight of a Rally? Or has someone weighed one?

I did some sand and mud at Chimes last Saturday, and what I can tell you is that it's not fun picking up once dropped. Especially at awkward angles and in slippery terrain.

Either way, was fun trying it out on sand, doesn't do too badly on the stock tyres. Mud is a different story though.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on January 15, 2019, 10:22:40 am
Official wet weight is 159 kg. I did Atlantis dunes the other day and yes I can relate. Had to pick it up a few times!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:08:30 pm
This should be in the pooratech thread, but seeing that it is related to the Rally I thought of posting it here.

Made my own tooltube to replace the original toolbox on the rally.

I used

1.  110mm pvc pipe
2.  End stop that can screw open and close
3.  End stop for the other side
4.  PVC Cement
5.  Some brackets, the others I made myself

I removed the original tool box and then also removed the tool box lid to be used again.

6.  Toolbox removed
7.  Toolbox
8.  Toolbox cover



Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:11:21 pm
I then measured the lengths I needed the tooltube to be and cut the 110mm pvc pipe it to size.
Then I glued the two end to the 110mm pvc pipe
Added and made soem brackets up and it was time for a hammerrite spray jobbie

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:13:51 pm
Once properly dried it was time for assembly.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:14:49 pm
The final results

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:16:41 pm
This must go in there and hopely we wont need them :biggrin:

. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on January 20, 2019, 03:21:23 pm
Nice job!  How does the original toolbox cover fit back without the original toolbox?

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:27:47 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on January 20, 2019, 03:21:23 pm
Nice job!  How does the original toolbox cover fit back without the original toolbox?

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I drilled a hole in the cover aligning them with the holes that kept the toolbox in place, took longer 6mm (75mm in length ) screws and screwed them back into the original holes.    I will take a photo to show you. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:39:45 pm
Quote from: deapsquatter on January 20, 2019, 03:21:23 pm
Nice job!  How does the original toolbox cover fit back without the original toolbox?

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There you go

She second and thrid pic shows the copperpipe over the 6mm screw, will replace later with something stronger. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 03:41:13 pm
My wife in the meantime made a smaller bag thats fits better in the tube.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on January 20, 2019, 07:49:22 pm
You guys not taking chances on spanners  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on January 20, 2019, 07:59:26 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on January 20, 2019, 07:49:22 pm
You guys not taking chances on spanners  :lol8:

Nope, I like to help my fellow KTM pels.   :laughing4: :pot:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on January 31, 2019, 01:33:57 pm
Freezing Norwegian did a Camel Tank video
13:18 for usefull info

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on February 01, 2019, 08:11:27 am


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on February 01, 2019, 08:22:21 am
If you intend to do a camel tank addition to your CRF250 here in South Africa please take note. I have just fitted a tank but unfortunately our Hondas are imported with US specs and the bike has all sorts of emission control bits attached. So the camel tank made in Canada for canadian specced Hondas will only work on the canadian version and allow the vacuum from the tank to fill the main tank.
So on our bikes this will not work.
Honda mechanics in SA can remove the emission restrictions but unknown the cost.
I have now just connected an inline petrol tap with tube and carry a plastic bottle. Drain the camel tank into the bottle and then fill the main tank.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 08:28:01 am
Quote from: Robin Brown on February 01, 2019, 08:22:21 am
If you intend to do a camel tank addition to your CRF250 here in South Africa please take note. I have just fitted a tank but unfortunately our Hondas are imported with US specs and the bike has all sorts of emission control bits attached. So the camel tank made in Canada for canadian specced Hondas will only work on the canadian version and allow the vacuum from the tank to fill the main tank.
So on our bikes this will not work.
Honda mechanics in SA can remove the emission restrictions but unknown the cost.
I have now just connected an inline petrol tap with tube and carry a plastic bottle. Drain the camel tank into the bottle and then fill the main tank.
Hmmm good info, I wonder what is involved to remove the smog stuff ? Have always done it but admittedly on carbed bikes which is a bit more simplistic.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on February 01, 2019, 08:44:36 am
There is a video on how to remove all the emission bits. And Honda will do it but at an unknown cost and you loose your warranty.
Camel has come under a lot of flack from US buyers re two things. It will not vacuum transfer and the breather on the back of the tank gets in the way of luggage. It should have been a 90 degree fitting.

Here is the video to de smog. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/sHinun1fYBA


Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 09:29:56 am
Quote from: Robin Brown on February 01, 2019, 08:44:36 am
There is a video on how to remove all the emission bits. And Honda will do it but at an unknown cost and you loose your warranty.
Camel has come under a lot of flack from US buyers re two things. It will not vacuum transfer and the breather on the back of the tank gets in the way of luggage. It should have been a 90 degree fitting.

Here is the video to de smog. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/sHinun1fYBA
Not too difficult, it is for the L though cant remember seeing a charcoal canister on the Rally ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on February 28, 2019, 07:15:57 am
How do bigger guys manage to ride these  Rally's?
I was at Honda over the weekend while crying over my AT, and had a look at one on the floor
When I sat on it, the front dipped down quite a bit, the rear nearly all the way down. Could not even swing the side stand down, unless I lifted up from the seat
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on February 28, 2019, 07:48:25 am
Quote from: Mpandla on February 28, 2019, 07:15:57 am
How do bigger guys manage to ride these  Rally's?
I was at Honda over the weekend while crying over my AT, and had a look at one on the floor
When I sat on it, the front dipped down quite a bit, the rear nearly all the way down. Could not even swing the side stand down, unless I lifted up from the seat

Take it to superfoxi, he does magic to the shocks at minimal cost.   :thumleft: :thumleft: 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2019, 08:34:56 am
Quote from: Mpandla on February 28, 2019, 07:15:57 am
How do bigger guys manage to ride these  Rally's?
I was at Honda over the weekend while crying over my AT, and had a look at one on the floor
When I sat on it, the front dipped down quite a bit, the rear nearly all the way down. Could not even swing the side stand down, unless I lifted up from the seat

Ja its a bit of a problem, I'm not a big guy and I have the same issue. Still need to max out my spring preload to see if it improves a bit.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2019, 08:39:56 am
Is Rally mania over, or is the love still strong with some owners?

I still enjoy mine as much as when I got it. It really is very easy to live with and is probably the most comfortable bike in it's class. Build quality is superb, it really feels like it is going to last a lifetime.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on February 28, 2019, 09:26:22 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2019, 08:39:56 am
Is Rally mania over, or is the love still strong with some owners?

I'm still very much in love with my bike. I use it for my daily commute (40km one-way), as well as to explore trails I would have struggled with on my previous bike (F650GS). It's a go-anywhere little bike, be it pavement-hopping or single-track riding.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on February 28, 2019, 09:27:02 am
Some more pictures
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mpandla on February 28, 2019, 09:34:45 am
I do like the look of them. Was pondering about getting one if my AT is no more
I was just really concerned when I got on one and sat it all the way down. Poor bike will struggle carting me around I guess
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on February 28, 2019, 11:00:24 am
I use mine mainly for commuting. Going on 19000km now. It's a practical commuter and the Offroad ability is an added bonus.

It's cheap to run which makes it sensible as a commuter. If I used this purely as a toy, I would buy a different bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2019, 11:24:39 am
Quote from: blauth on February 28, 2019, 11:00:24 am
I use mine mainly for commuting. Going on 19000km now. It's a practical commuter and the Offroad ability is an added bonus.

It's cheap to run which makes it sensible as a commuter. If I used this purely as a toy, I would buy a different bike.

That pretty much sums up my use and feelings as well.

I think about trading it for a KTM500 daily, but then I remember I don't have time for trips or playing offroad. And it would not last with the amount of road km's I do. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Jacobsroodt on February 28, 2019, 12:09:27 pm
Quote from: blauth on February 28, 2019, 11:00:24 am
I use mine mainly for commuting. Going on 19000km now. It's a practical commuter and the Offroad ability is an added bonus.

It's cheap to run which makes it sensible as a commuter. If I used this purely as a toy, I would buy a different bike.
What is a comfortable highway cruising speed on the CRF250 Rally?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on February 28, 2019, 12:47:00 pm
Quote from: Jacobsroodt on February 28, 2019, 12:09:27 pm
What is a comfortable highway cruising speed on the CRF250 Rally?

Mine is comfortable at about 120-125 (indicated), but I've sat at about 130-135 for 30 km stretches as well. Suppose true speed is down on that by about 5-10%. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on February 28, 2019, 01:02:10 pm
Quote from: Jacobsroodt on February 28, 2019, 12:09:27 pm
What is a comfortable highway cruising speed on the CRF250 Rally?

Same response as LoopSoosStroop: 120km/h indicated, which is actually closer to 110km/h (I've checked vs. a Garmin). I've also tried the 130-135km/h indicated, but I felt sorry for the bike. You can (and I did) hit the rev limiter doing those speeds while going down a hill. Going at highway speeds also shoots up fuel consumption (I only get about 23km/lit at those speeds).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Jacobsroodt on February 28, 2019, 01:12:51 pm
Quote from: Zanie on February 28, 2019, 01:02:10 pm
Quote from: Jacobsroodt on February 28, 2019, 12:09:27 pm
What is a comfortable highway cruising speed on the CRF250 Rally?

Same response as LoopSoosStroop: 120km/h indicated, which is actually closer to 110km/h (I've checked vs. a Garmin). I've also tried the 130-135km/h indicated, but I felt sorry for the bike. You can (and I did) hit the rev limiter doing those speeds while going down a hill. Going at highway speeds also shoots up fuel consumption (I only get about 23km/lit at those speeds).
Apologies for not reading back. I know it is a different configuration but we fitted a one tooth larger sprocket in front on a CBX250 Twister and it made a nice difference. The bike is not as busy and cruising speed improved. It now has an indicated top speed of 140-145km/h (long time since I rode it myself). A screen actually makes a bike faster, so it might benefit the CRF as well to have a longer final drive.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on February 28, 2019, 09:38:41 pm
If you weigh more than 70kg, you need to at least crank the rear preload all the way up for starters - after that there are various options to upgrading the suspension, priced from the reasonable to the the ridiculous.

It is geared wrong from the start (for economy and maybe also for EU noise regulations as with some of the KTMs) so going down one in the front or up 3 or more in the rear help liven it up a little.  The stuff up is the speed is read from the gearbox, so any changes with gearing or ever larger tyres will mess with the reading, both speed and ODO

So GPS speed 110 all day long, 120-125 easy, 135 if you wind it - at the coast of course.

For offroad playing the best mods are better tyres D606 rear, TKC front and gearing, both fairly cheap changes.

Oh and forget torque there isn't any, just use the gearbox and keep the revs up.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:02:13 am
Bit quiet here, the new IMS long range tanks gives 400km range I have seen on ADVrider. I like that.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 11:14:53 am
Quote from: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:02:13 am
Bit quiet here, the new IMS long range tanks gives 400km range I have seen on ADVrider. I like that.

Don't have time to post, enjoying the little beast to much.  Almost every day on her into the sticks.  Unbelievable fun we are having on these little scooters.
 
I ordered and fitted the IMS tanks but do not get 400km on a full tank.  For one or other reason the bikes, both my Rally and the wife's L is with the ISM tanks heavier on juice than before.  We both got around 30-32km/l on the original tanks, now we average 27km/l.  I must still search the web to see where the problem is for the heavier consumption.  If the problem stays the same I might as well keep die original tank on.  The L benefited from the bigger tank though.     
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:26:04 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 11:14:53 am
Quote from: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:02:13 am
Bit quiet here, the new IMS long range tanks gives 400km range I have seen on ADVrider. I like that.

Don't have time to post, enjoying the little beast to much.  Almost every day on her into the sticks.  Unbelievable fun we are having on these little scooters.
 
I ordered and fitted the IMS tanks but do not get 400km on a full tank.  For one or other reason the bikes, both my Rally and the wife's L is with the ISM tanks heavier on juice than before.  We both got around 30-32km/l on the original tanks, now we average 27km/l.  I must still search the web to see where the problem is for the heavier consumption.  If the problem stays the same I might as well keep die original tank on.  The L benefited from the bigger tank though.     
Hmm that is weird  ???
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 11:38:16 am
Quote from: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:26:04 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 11:14:53 am
Quote from: sidetrack on April 09, 2019, 11:02:13 am
Bit quiet here, the new IMS long range tanks gives 400km range I have seen on ADVrider. I like that.

Don't have time to post, enjoying the little beast to much.  Almost every day on her into the sticks.  Unbelievable fun we are having on these little scooters.
 
I ordered and fitted the IMS tanks but do not get 400km on a full tank.  For one or other reason the bikes, both my Rally and the wife's L is with the ISM tanks heavier on juice than before.  We both got around 30-32km/l on the original tanks, now we average 27km/l.  I must still search the web to see where the problem is for the heavier consumption.  If the problem stays the same I might as well keep die original tank on.  The L benefited from the bigger tank though.     
Hmm that is weird  ???

I suspect it could be the breather pipe that is now connected to the top of the tank cap.  The original tank also had a pressure cap where the IMS do not have it as the breather pipe is connected there. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 16, 2019, 11:48:12 am
Hows the Rally's doing ladies? And gents, if there are any left....

Anyhow, I took apart my suspension linkage and swing-arm last sat, regreased all the bearings. As suspected, all were a bit low, especially the two main swing-arm bearings. Please do yours if you have not done so yet, even if it is just for future owners' benefit. I used Bel-Ray water resistant grease, nice thick blue stuff.

Also wound up the preload on the rear spring (at long last), this made a discernible difference for my weight (75 kg). Don't think I need a stiffer spring anymore and I'm pretty happy with how it feels now. I needed to lengthen my side stand a bit after doing this (put a spacer and wide plate on the bottom), as that first 50-100 mm of static sag travel is not so ridiculously soft anymore. 

I'm also looking at importing one of the foam Uni-filters for my bike. I don't much like the paper filter and they are hideously expensive from Honda. The Uni is washable and should last years with my type of use of the bike. Anyone got a better idea?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 16, 2019, 12:03:09 pm
My Rally is just shy of 21000km now, mostly commuting. Haven't had much time for riding lately.

Service Parts required:
My chain and sprockets are toast.
Needs new rear tyre.
Front tyre is still ok'ish but I'll replace it after winter.
Still on original brake pads. these will survive up to 25k km I think.

Still runs about the same as it's always done. A simply no fuss bike....for now. I would like a little more power though because my work route has changed to involve more highway work.

I see a number of people have sold or are trying to sell their Rally's. These bikes seem a bit more popular in the Western Cape. Maybe the riding is a little tighter there than up here in Gauteng where the distances are a bit longer with faster riding.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 16, 2019, 05:13:33 pm
Sadly mine has been gone for a while now and I still miss it. Agree with Blauth that a bit more power would have been really nice. Keep that motor with the service intervals etc but build a 400 or 450 version.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on April 16, 2019, 08:21:04 pm
Well sadly I have to report that my 250 is not for sale.  We, the wife and me, done almost 10 000km in 3 months time on these bikes and still enjoying every moment on them.  We just got back from a 1 200km trip today.  I would say 85% of the 10k km's was gravel and some very bad gravel and some sand riding in the mix.   The longer you use them the more you love them.   

Thanks for the heads up  LoopSoosStroop, will have a look at the swing arm bearings.   :thumleft:  Also looking at the Uni-filter option, though they might be available in SA by now.   :eek7:

For interest sake, what tires do you guys run on them.  I had Pirreli' s rally-cross on the rear and the original tire front which I found to be good to very good.  Had since replaced the rear with a Dunlop 606 and front the Pirelli, found now the grip to be suspect.  The rear seems to wash out easier than the Pirelli I had on previously.  Even battled a tad in the sand with this combination.  Thinking of going with both Pirreli's front and rear.  Any other options?     
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 08:14:36 am
Vis Arend, I'm probably going to import a Unifilter in the next week. I can bring in another if you want? Landed cost estimated about R700-800 each.

Also, what did you do with your original rear tyre? I'm looking for one of those.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 17, 2019, 09:00:21 am
Does anyone know where I can get new chain and sprockets in Pretoria? Preferrably today....and at a reasonable price. 

Not very demanding...am I?   ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 09:01:53 am
https://www.uniflow.com.au/contents/en-us/d57_newreleases.html#p5777

Filter in question.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 09:03:51 am
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 09:00:21 am
Not very demanding...am I?   ;)

Lol....

EMD racing? They seem to have most stuffs at decent prices.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on April 17, 2019, 10:17:44 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 08:14:36 am
Vis Arend, I'm probably going to import a Unifilter in the next week. I can bring in another if you want? Landed cost estimated about R700-800 each.

Also, what did you do with your original rear tyre? I'm looking for one of those.

Yes please, can you kindly bring two in for me, one for wifey's bike and the other for mine.  PM me your eft details and I will settle it with you.   :thumleft:

Will chat to our local bike mac who changed the tires for me, I asked him to keep it for me.  I have 2 if you want both. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on April 17, 2019, 10:19:45 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 09:01:53 am
https://www.uniflow.com.au/contents/en-us/d57_newreleases.html#p5777

Filter in question.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 10:25:12 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on April 17, 2019, 10:17:44 am
Yes please, can you kindly bring two in for me, one for wifey's bike and the other for mine.  PM me your eft details and I will settle it with you.   :thumleft:

Will chat to our local bike mac who changed the tires for me, I asked him to keep it for me.  I have 2 if you want both.

PM on it's way.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 17, 2019, 12:04:51 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 09:00:21 am
Does anyone know where I can get new chain and sprockets in Pretoria? Preferrably today....and at a reasonable price. 

Not very demanding...am I?   ;)

Biking accessories is getting everything for me for tomorrow. R1773.00 (front & back sprocket and a new x-ring 520 chain.).   Ouch, it's been a while since I bought a set of these, basic service parts are quite expensive.....
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on April 17, 2019, 12:10:02 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 12:04:51 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 09:00:21 am
Does anyone know where I can get new chain and sprockets in Pretoria? Preferrably today....and at a reasonable price. 

Not very demanding...am I?   ;)

Biking accessories is getting everything for me for tomorrow. R1773.00 (front & back sprocket and a new x-ring 520 chain.).   Ouch, it's been a while since I bought a set of these, basic service parts are quite expensive.....
Not too bad for every 30 000km or so. I don't think the stock chain is the best. Mine rusted quit easily, did not stretch though
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 17, 2019, 12:17:50 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on April 17, 2019, 12:10:02 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 12:04:51 pm
Quote from: blauth on April 17, 2019, 09:00:21 am
Does anyone know where I can get new chain and sprockets in Pretoria? Preferrably today....and at a reasonable price. 

Not very demanding...am I?   ;)

Biking accessories is getting everything for me for tomorrow. R1773.00 (front & back sprocket and a new x-ring 520 chain.).   Ouch, it's been a while since I bought a set of these, basic service parts are quite expensive.....
Not too bad for every 30 000km or so. I don't think the stock chain is the best. Mine rusted quit easily, did not stretch though

Mine is only on 21000km now. I think TeeBag got less than 20000km on his chains and sprockets.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on April 17, 2019, 12:30:02 pm
Think it depends how much off-road riding you do, I changed mine so I could go to a larger rear sprocket.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on April 17, 2019, 01:18:11 pm
Quote from: teebag on April 17, 2019, 12:30:02 pm
Think it depends how much off-road riding you do, I changed mine so I could go to a larger rear sprocket.

My route to work has been a lot of start/stop which also hammers the chain and sprockets.  There is still no cush drive and despite the pitiful power, this is another factor that hammers the chain and sprockets.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 17, 2019, 01:34:54 pm
I think 21k km on a chainset is very decent for this kind of bike.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on June 02, 2019, 06:38:08 pm
Added some color to the Rally - should make it faster.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/9d4ad8325ece4edc7c315574e4898c43.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/101e657fda713ac333682ebd1c0fcf2f.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 03, 2019, 07:48:15 am
That looks so cool.  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:   Love the rim tape.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 03, 2019, 10:48:00 am
Added some color to the Rally - should make it faster.


Ai Oudtshoorn se veld lyk droog!! :( :(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 04, 2019, 08:29:39 am
This cold weather has made my Rally faster, a lot faster.......  but still slow as a snail.  :(
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 04, 2019, 09:09:43 am
My delivery bike is getting heavier on juice... might be my imagination, a heavier right hand or the new foam air filter....?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 04, 2019, 10:46:15 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 04, 2019, 09:09:43 am
My delivery bike is getting heavier on juice... might be my imagination, a heavier right hand or the new foam air filter....?

My commute has changed from back roads to mostly highway (N14 mostly). My fuel consumption has improved significantly i.e. it's gone from 29km/l to about 32 km/l.  The average speed I stick to on the highway which is pretty much keeping up with the other traffic is about 115 km/h (indicated). I have to admit that as much as the little bike is able to do this comfortably, it would be great if it could get an extra 10 - 15km/h at the same RPM. It's just not that happy cruising at over 7k rpm.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 04, 2019, 03:43:41 pm
You need to regear currently running 13/42 from 14/45 from 13/40 from stock 14/40

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 05, 2019, 08:22:09 am
Quote from: teebag on June 04, 2019, 03:43:41 pm
You need to regear currently running 13/42 from 14/45 from 13/40 from stock 14/40

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I want longer gearing, not shorter gearing.  14/37 would be good but power would suffer greatly in top gear I think.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 05, 2019, 08:35:19 am
IMO stock gearing is spot on for mixed use and occasional highway forays. I did some slabbing on the N1 up to Bela Bela a short while ago, managed to cruise at 130-135 indicated. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 05, 2019, 10:38:24 pm
Don't knock it until you've tried it

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 06, 2019, 09:13:59 am
Quote from: teebag on June 05, 2019, 10:38:24 pm
Don't knock it until you've tried it

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Huh?  :-\
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 06, 2019, 10:50:32 am
Quote from: blauth on June 06, 2019, 09:13:59 am
Huh?  :-\

Referring to the different/lower gearing setup.

I can definitely see the advantages for using a smaller front sprocket if I used the bike more off-road, or in Lesotho. Unfortunately I'm mostly confined to the blacktop.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: deapsquatter on June 06, 2019, 10:59:15 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on June 06, 2019, 10:50:32 am
Referring to the different/lower gearing setup.

I can definitely see the advantages for using a smaller front sprocket if I used the bike more off-road, or in Lesotho. Unfortunately I'm mostly confined to the blacktop.
I've actually found I can maintain a faster top end speed by dropping 1 tooth on the front.  Revs better in the power band so don't have to gear down on hills as much.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 06, 2019, 11:30:21 am
Exactly

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 06, 2019, 11:36:42 am
But remember the speedo cannot be relied on once gearing has been changed via either sprockets or taller tires.  A combination of GPS and butt-dyno tell me, the bike works better with a change in final drive - anyone local is welcome to come and have a go

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: blauth on June 06, 2019, 11:39:38 am
Aren't you okes concerned about revving the balls off your bikes?

The bike is doing about 7000rpm at 115km/h with standard gearing. My bike starts to get buzzy at about 7500rpm hence if I want to cruise at 125 indicated and not feel like I'm murdering my little bike, I'd need to go with longer gearing. I can't say I have to downshift to maintain my 115km/h at the moment on any hills around Jhb. Even with the longer gearing then, if I do downshift, then I could still maintain a higher speed in fifth.

I can see the argument for offroad riding but your argument doesn't make any sense in terms of commuting, especially on the highway.

And my primary usage is commuting.....now days, mostly on highway.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on June 06, 2019, 11:41:59 am
Also need to remember you guys up there are down on power over us to begin with

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Crispie on June 07, 2019, 08:09:45 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=237580.0

Exhaust for sale
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Crispie on July 02, 2019, 04:20:10 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=238381.0

Rear Shock
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Robin Brown on July 06, 2019, 04:28:44 pm
I am looking to buy new sprockets preferably JT or an equally good make 13 front 42 rear. Seems hard to fing in Cape Town. Any riders bought locally?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 06, 2019, 04:48:42 pm
I got a JT 13 from Motorcycle World in Parow, otherwise PJB from trackmac

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 15, 2019, 09:15:49 am
Read about a CRF250L recall on a gearbox spring, anyone know if this is applicable to the Rally as well ? Have not heard of any problems.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=238415.msg4273110#msg4273110
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 15, 2019, 09:38:59 am
Mine does love a false neutral, but that is probably operator error.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 15, 2019, 10:26:29 pm
False neutral sounds a bit familiar, but I don't have much to complain about with this bike. Many happy km so far.

Getting close to 22,000 km and finally need to replace my chain and sprockets. Sprockets actually look relatively good, but chain is stretched beyond the point of no return - I can't tighten it much more before I run out of swingarm! I'll replace all nevertheless, just to be safe. I guess everything lasted this long, because I ride like a granny. And I ride like a granny on the road, because I want to live. I commute about 75km each day and am still alive.

I am so chuffed to have such an easy-maintenance no-hassles bike. It just goes. Despite everyone's moans and gripes, I'm happy with stock suspension, stock almost everything. I guess I'm light enough that I don't flatten the bike when I sit on it? Don't answer that...

The only things I've added after 16 months of riding is a rear luggage rack, some attachment points for soft luggage and a quick-access battery charging point (also connects to our mini-compressor - not that I've had a puncture either, happy days).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 16, 2019, 09:14:50 am
If you want to try mine before you buy sprockets - you can feel what a gearing change would feel like.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 16, 2019, 08:12:31 pm
Thanks for the offer, but I've already ordered the parts. I don't think I ride well enough to notice the difference...
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on July 17, 2019, 05:09:27 am
Quote from: Zanie on July 16, 2019, 08:12:31 pm
Thanks for the offer, but I've already ordered the parts. I don't think I ride well enough to notice the difference...

I think you underestimate yourself.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on July 17, 2019, 08:15:50 am
Agreed

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 18, 2019, 07:31:43 am
 ;D Thanks guys. Yet I'll continue to live life in the slow lane on a small bike. But, as you know from first-hand experience, we will be having the most fun.  ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 18, 2019, 08:13:39 am
Quote from: Zanie on July 18, 2019, 07:31:43 am
;D Thanks guys. Yet I'll continue to live life in the slow lane on a small bike. But, as you know from first-hand experience, we will be having the most fun.  ;)
How would you rate the Rally's performance on the Kaokoland trip ? It seemed to do it with ease ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on July 18, 2019, 05:31:06 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 18, 2019, 08:13:39 am
Quote from: Zanie on July 18, 2019, 07:31:43 am
;D Thanks guys. Yet I'll continue to live life in the slow lane on a small bike. But, as you know from first-hand experience, we will be having the most fun.  ;)
How would you rate the Rally's performance on the Kaokoland trip ? It seemed to do it with ease ?

Would like to hear her experience.  For me, although not in Kaokoland (soon  :biggrin:), I can say the following. 
Coming from bigger bikes, 650 - 1200, riding difficult and technical sections, the 250 rally is a breeze and takes everything you thrown at her with ease.  So much less effort to negotiate difficult sections.  To me the 250 is a no brainier, yes I do miss the brute power of the bigger bikes and the speed on the open road, but that is a small compromise for the fun you get in the woods on the small 250 Rally.    I will not go back to the bigger and heavier bike, I will stick to the smaller scooters, it suites me just fine.   :deal:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 18, 2019, 07:22:27 pm
Quote from: Vis Arend on July 18, 2019, 05:31:06 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 18, 2019, 08:13:39 am
Quote from: Zanie on July 18, 2019, 07:31:43 am
;D Thanks guys. Yet I'll continue to live life in the slow lane on a small bike. But, as you know from first-hand experience, we will be having the most fun.  ;)
How would you rate the Rally's performance on the Kaokoland trip ? It seemed to do it with ease ?

Would like to hear her experience.  For me, although not in Kaokoland (soon  :biggrin:), I can say the following. 
Coming from bigger bikes, 650 - 1200, riding difficult and technical sections, the 250 rally is a breeze and takes everything you thrown at her with ease.  So much less effort to negotiate difficult sections.  To me the 250 is a no brainier, yes I do miss the brute power of the bigger bikes and the speed on the open road, but that is a small compromise for the fun you get in the woods on the small 250 Rally.    I will not go back to the bigger and heavier bike, I will stick to the smaller scooters, it suites me just fine.   :deal:

Oom Vis I would also like to try one at some stage to test the theory. The biggest concern for me is as I am getting older and rely so much on my health to work and I want to limit my risk. That is why I think a little and light bike like the Rally which to me (sorrie Daan) is the lipstick version of the XR250L is a wise choice especially when you need to put a foot down to save it. Your wife owns the 250L right? and how do they compare....is the Rally realy R10K better? It is for one 10kg heavier?
Anyway, like said I am also toying with the idea to go lighter/smaller out of safety concern and I get the enjoyment factor.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 18, 2019, 08:21:36 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 18, 2019, 08:13:39 am
How would you rate the Rally's performance on the Kaokoland trip ? It seemed to do it with ease ?

I went even smaller during Kaokoland. I was on the CRF230F. To find out how the Rally rides Kaoko, you'd have to check with Lance - he borrowed it. Though the impression from his feedback is:


Overall, though, I'm extremely happy with the Rally for my usual type of riding: rougher-than-usual trails and commuting. My daily commute is 75km, yet last month I only spent R600 on fuel.  >:D

I don't miss the power of the 650, aside from on long stretches of highway, e.g. Piketberg to Cape Town (which I try to avoid). I like to ride at a chilled pace.

Quote from: Tom van Brits on July 18, 2019, 07:22:27 pm
Oom Vis I would also like to try one at some stage to test the theory. The biggest concern for me is as I am getting older and rely so much on my health to work and I want to limit my risk. That is why I think a little and light bike like the Rally which to me (sorrie Daan) is the lipstick version of the XR250L is a wise choice especially when you need to put a foot down to save it. Your wife owns the 250L right? and how do they compare....is the Rally realy R10K better? It is for one 10kg heavier?
Anyway, like said I am also toying with the idea to go lighter/smaller out of safety concern and I get the enjoyment factor.

There are two big reasons I'd go for the Rally: (1) larger tank / longer range and (2) lekker bright LED spotlight. No need for auxillary spots, orange headlight cover, etc. People on my commute see me and I can see in the dark when we misjudge time/distance during a trip through the Karoo. And then the lesser-mentioned real reason: the bike is so sexy!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on July 25, 2019, 10:52:39 am
 Sal n mens dieselfde kan doen met n 450L btjie meer poeier ? Kort 200-300km day trips ?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on July 25, 2019, 10:12:53 pm
As ek n 2000km Namibia trip met n CRF230F kan aanpak, kan mens dit sekerlik doen met n 450L. Ek moes net olie verander halfpad. Ek dink nie die 450L het meer poeier as die 250L nie, net meer torque, maar mens sal dit seker voel. Die verskil van torque tussen die Rally en 230F was hemelsbreed. Lance was die hele tyd besig met die ratte; ek hoef net throttle oop te maak! Die 230 het vir die 250 weggery teen die opdraandes.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LanC on July 25, 2019, 11:04:49 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on July 18, 2019, 08:13:39 am
How would you rate the Rally's performance on the Kaokoland trip ? It seemed to do it with ease ?

The rally performed just fine for 95% of the Koakoland trip. I think it could be the ideal bike for the average rider. The suspension is plush which means you can sit most of the time and enjoy the scenery. It is light enough not to tire you out and at the end of each day when most guys were tired after the day's riding, I felt like I easily do the same distance over again on the 250 Rally. Having more power often tires you out sooner, I've found that the case when doing the same tracks on my 450 vs my 200.

The 250 Rally does lack a lot of power on the gravel highway uphills so when traveling at 90km/h and you see an uphill you have to drop two gears and get the revs over 7000rpm to maintain anything close to 80km/h while you watch a crf230f disappear over the crest. The constant changing of gears reminds me exactly of riding my Ktm 200 except the 250 Rally does not have a powerband (now that would be cool if the 250 Rally had a power band).

The 250 Rally lacks serious power in the thick sandy twee spoor and riverbeds. Trying to keep it in a straight line in a sandy twee-spoor requires a lot of concentration and hard work, not the case with any other bike I've ridden in sandy twee spoor, and I usually enjoy riding deep sand. I don't know if this is due to the lack of power to keep the front wheel light or the soft bouncy suspension which does not keep the wheels planted on the sand. There were only two sections on the Kaokoland trip where I really did not enjoy the 250 Rally:
- 20 odd km sandy twee spoor in the Marienfluss.
- 20 odd km down the Aba-huab river bed.

The plastic panels are very brittle (and expensive) so if you are into the habit of putting your bike down you will do a lot of cosmetic damage to those sexy plastic panels quickly. I would rather get a XR650L or CRF450L for durability sake. I put the 250 Rally down three times all at walking pace in hardish sand and it added quite a few scratches and a crack to the lower panels. I would hate to have seen what would happen if I put it down in some rocky sections.

Quote from: RallyMan on July 25, 2019, 10:52:39 am
Sal n mens dieselfde kan doen met n 450L btjie meer poeier ? Kort 200-300km day trips ?
I think the 450L would be quite a bit more fun for Kaokoland in the sense that you will not be wishing for extra power or better suspension. Perfect for 200-300km day trips. If you could only have one bike and need to use it for commuting as well then I would choose the 250 Rally. If money is not a problem the get the 450L.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on July 26, 2019, 01:06:31 pm
I have said it before, if Honda just gave us a 450 or 500 Rally but keep the motor in low tune and service intervals like the 250 machine but just a bigger version it will be very close to my ideal DS bike. I'm sure that a 500 would not even weight more than the 250.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on July 27, 2019, 08:29:45 am
Dalk maar vasbyt met rally en spaar vir Tenere 700  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on August 11, 2019, 09:47:28 pm
Greetings WD's. I'm became tired of hiring of a 125cc scooter when frequently visiting Thailand. Conversely, costs far too much to export from ZA to import into TL my dust covered": GSA, My KtM 690R and/or my Ktm300TPI, all moth-balled in my PLZ garage, so i bought a Honda CRF250(L)Rally (Thailand)version/spec.  Interesting reading the WD CRF250rally thread:
(1) The TL 2019 Honda CRF 250(L)Rally does NOT have ABS.
(2) The sticker kit on the 2019 Honda CRF 250Rally does not have the Black Font Outline.
(3) YES YES as per this thread, the OEM suspension does not suit a "boer seun !! especially an obese boer seun.. At 145kg (without Adv Luggage) the CRF 250 Rally suspension bottoms out almost in a static position – lol
(4) I love the "Africa Single" sticker & makes me think that a oval ZA sticker, a "4x2" SA flag & a WD sticker or two, would be welcome unique stickers to a TL CRF 250(l) Rally
I have made contact with: Race Tech USA, "Wilfred shocks Germany, Ohlin & YSS,,, they all laugh when i tell them i am 145 kg & 185cm tall. hoping for some "movement" in imminent future on this matter
It is a great small bike - i enjoy riding it when i get the opportunity - (R&R / CTO leave)
@ Oom & Tannie Visarent - what happened the GSA & side-cart?
I found a "great" CRF Monster HRC decal set as supplied in TL
Groete Daar in SA; Blaf Blaf Wilddogs
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on August 12, 2019, 09:02:10 am
@Mango Jack, enjoy the little Rally, they are great bikes. 

For the sidecar, she is up and running, just did not have all the time to use it properly, but things changed, so we will be using her more often. 

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on August 12, 2019, 09:29:25 am
I Have just received a quote (12 8 2019 from Wilbers Products Germany
If yours the one with the Key MD38 or MD44? If so then please look at the link to our online shop to see the shock absorber we can offer you.
https://www.wilbers-shop.de/en/Motorcycle/Honda/CRF-250-L-MD38-MD44/shock-absorber-Type-640-Road.html?year=2019
€499 + postage
the Rally variant looks like MD44b...humm...
 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2019, 12:02:52 pm
Quote from: Mango Jack on August 11, 2019, 09:47:28 pm
Greetings WD's. I'm became tired of hiring of a 125cc scooter when frequently visiting Thailand. Conversely, costs far too much to export from ZA to import into TL my dust covered": GSA, My KtM 690R and/or my Ktm300TPI, all moth-balled in my PLZ garage, so i bought a Honda CRF250(L)Rally (Thailand)version/spec.  Interesting reading the WD CRF250rally thread:
(1) The TL 2019 Honda CRF 250(L)Rally does NOT have ABS.
(2) The sticker kit on the 2019 Honda CRF 250Rally does not have the Black Font Outline.
(3) YES YES as per this thread, the OEM suspension does not suit a "boer seun !! especially an obese boer seun.. At 145kg (without Adv Luggage) the CRF 250 Rally suspension bottoms out almost in a static position – lol
(4) I love the "Africa Single" sticker & makes me think that a oval ZA sticker, a "4x2" SA flag & a WD sticker or two, would be welcome unique stickers to a TL CRF 250(l) Rally
I have made contact with: Race Tech USA, "Wilfred shocks Germany, Ohlin & YSS,,, they all laugh when i tell them i am 145 kg & 185cm tall. hoping for some "movement" in imminent future on this matter
It is a great small bike - i enjoy riding it when i get the opportunity - (R&R / CTO leave)
@ Oom & Tannie Visarent - what happened the GSA & side-cart?
I found a "great" CRF Monster HRC decal set as supplied in TL
Groete Daar in SA; Blaf Blaf Wilddogs
What a bargain ! Hated stopping and switching off ABS every time I got to dirt or restarting the bike and even then the back stupid thing still vibrated at the slightest indication of lockup
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on August 12, 2019, 03:34:41 pm
enige opsies vir Beter Seat ? my Gat raak wild lam dit net op 100km
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2019, 05:20:49 pm
Quote from: RallyMan on August 12, 2019, 03:34:41 pm
enige opsies vir Beter Seat ? my Gat raak wild lam dit net op 100km
Seat Concepts maar dis in dollars en jy moet jou saal oorlaat aan ons wonderlike poskantoor  :o
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on August 13, 2019, 08:47:10 am
will airseat make diffrence ??
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on August 14, 2019, 05:48:12 am
I recall reading earlier in this thread YSS as an option for suspunsion upgrade. Perheps not in the same league as Ohlin, but seem to be legit.  See attached brocher. Prices in Thai Baht  which is two to out 1. Thus divid by 2 for SA price.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: RallyMan on August 15, 2019, 08:08:55 am
just came back from Thailand should of bought me 1 there..
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on August 23, 2019, 01:44:58 pm
Nuwe baadjie

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/071e273c50a3d230f0a34078d4cd9e6a.jpg)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: stcomza on August 26, 2019, 09:40:14 am
Quote from: Schulla on August 23, 2019, 01:44:58 pm
Nuwe baadjie

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That looks AWESOME  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 26, 2019, 11:46:53 am
Sjoe....  :o
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 26, 2019, 01:19:41 pm
Dit lyk baie mooi  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: drewdza on August 26, 2019, 03:41:16 pm
Looking good. Just make a plan with that tail "appendage" :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Schulla on August 26, 2019, 06:13:21 pm
Quote from: drewdza on August 26, 2019, 03:41:16 pm
Looking good. Just make a plan with that tail "appendage" :thumleft:

Thanks, that will be on the to do list but need to find a suitable option for the wiring and to keep the water and mud out.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on August 26, 2019, 07:02:41 pm
For a tidy tail, these are a big "hit" in "TL" on the CRF's
They come in red and also a clear with red bulbs/seen with Red LEDs)
Not sure if available in SA
regards M.J.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BEN TAP on September 05, 2019, 02:57:49 pm
Ek het suspension by denver bikeblingking laat upgrade
Wilbers progressive voor en  ohlins agter wat hul vir my opgemaak het
Een moerse verfskil
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on September 18, 2019, 06:33:14 am
Also added a new "Jacket" for my CRF  rally. (lol - GOPRO date & time incorrect - 1st photos as testing 1, 2, 3 ...
   . A DK decal kit
   . Tank bag
   . Windscreen extention
   . YSS Rear Shock Absorber.
Still to come are:
   . LED fog/spots lights
   . USB cigeratte lighter power point
   . Connect Zumo cabling
   . Crashbars - on order
   . Tidy taillight
   . Tracker unit
   . Bar raisers
   . Hand guard protectors

Work in Progress(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/795d8a8253baa40766ba8c644293d7a2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/d4fa2c8983cbad471abb9501bb614ee0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/b8567da5d0f5205fa615ec0160f31e52.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/06d4e7c9980a0ccf8494367794fc4929.jpg)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 18, 2019, 10:22:56 am
Looking lekker Mango Jack!

Where did the screen extension come from? I need one.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 18, 2019, 11:37:53 am
Those photo's are not in the EC are they?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on September 18, 2019, 05:31:30 pm
@ Chris L, correct Sir. Got tired of renting Thai scooters, so i bought a2019 crf rally scoot for my TL use.


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on September 27, 2019, 02:51:11 pm
More Farkles to my CRF 250 Rally(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/09cbbf476eb1174b221619111f539e9d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/aebd6342a6344f7ccc022e92801bd5f3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/99c8e12d61140d1fbb0b5f2a586cf826.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/51be2ebfd01e493c6e886850766188b1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/6f30a292c0bbf1b87deede2834828f4c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/639a1444adbbf476443a84b3fc79d340.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/c6e26a92bdfcd7dcddbe8f0a26eac414.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/13e760c5cc9de59b55cf6b6910a8594e.jpg)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Black_Hawk on September 27, 2019, 03:06:06 pm
Looking very good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mango Jack on October 30, 2019, 10:52:07 am
...Further Farkles to my CRF250 Rally, some crasbars from RockFox (Mike) &  Flying Brick) Chris. The Red looks great.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/56ccb536e9c67d9fde6ff03a27b55cbd.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/4f0e42e07066732e7a009dc15b8f1c94.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/a9542fac22b82e3c80ad3e951710fa82.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/3775f5123c368aeb834d182351bffe64.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191030/98dac620dd6fca6c2c3cc35e4369672c.jpg)

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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Zanie on August 12, 2020, 09:43:48 pm
Easy to own and a sexy-looking bike too  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/v/hLC8Ij6WwOI
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 05:48:47 am
Was in Bloem yesterday, quickly popped in at Honda to get tubes for the Boys' offroads.

They have these Rally's on special there

R 66000

Or with a BUNCH of extras (pannier frames, rear carrier, sticker kit, sprocket cover, hand guards, free Desert Fox helmet)............R 74900.

I actually sat on one.........feels like a Passola, its SO light!!! :3some:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Kamanya on August 13, 2020, 08:53:54 am
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:

As I said in here...

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209741.msg3829383#msg3829383

I think it’s a window of opportunity bike. It's an adventure bike not just aimed at people new to riding and getting more of us out into the outdoors. But, I’ve seen friends with big bikes who just cannot take them into all the stunning places that our country has to offer because… they’re nervous of the big bikes. Here in South Africa, our identities are so deeply entrenched in bigger is better that 250cc is just not manly!

The 250 will surprise many big bikes in the rougher slower stuff but struggle to keep up on the fast open stuff. Once onto the back roads though, it’s going to hold its own in easy company.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 08:59:19 am
I still enjoy mine, but unfortunately do not have the time to use it much. Before lockdown I used it for commuting, so I rode it almost daily, but now it's standing a lot.

I took it down to Sani for the Sani Stagger last year in Nov, doing mostly tar on the N3. Down was ok, but back up was a battle with the wind and hills. In one stretch I only got 18 km per liter, which is atrocious for this bike, and was reduced to 80/90 km/h on some of the hills. It really does not have the power for cruising against the wind, and my side boxes didn't help. 

It's better to stick to back roads when possible and time allows. If the race is on again this year I might take the Rally again, but stay away from the N3.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3fPUpFjgyQxhUGay4qXnwt1q0wYhz98SfJpQ56nFTQ3iIFM2PjcfYdjgTB6TRvS2wXDttiaS6M06sHe1uqRG3RI-NeR4-x4tsMVzjVFOTte9U0Pvwzlqbsru0TpVKWTVsLDQS7JHkp0WAdoarUPLhbe=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eHUwaXLwV1AiYGDm4s430VInr6eKmnIge-TYu2QVjmPTJOKh0-f8k4NL_PWHg-tBHQHoH5Fq9z5QVXdS542eahHtpr0arYTAC00vYBk-5pWZN2kka1jotwNpyzsR75QNTDNGh6x7iltq-5aA51507y=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eajutrPKPtgmc68f7nRW7Okpjv9gdcABT5dIULcqromI-zTocmZUjpbWZ1Xs_5QlTDQAfbLZ8bbljGgXM54QGj6GqRz_Ki7GrqIpwOybM0f8CHh-8WVnnnOgFqVUsBvKhyVWkqrX1rQPLSd-dl6gRm=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cDfNVw6ERvjOmMKIb7Ol1igGVu13AcyC3KA_4AbMr4cSuqL2ExLr_dX1Z3fITUz_XpPExp_g4cqxceoc9Y_YkWp6cV_fYJ48VQILpu7Qy2v0kKpLz2G5xN2_k5D_g-BrK94qjhK02EiwLMt5n7lilC=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

I really need to neaten up my panniers and frames and have them powder coated.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 13, 2020, 09:06:50 am
I like your topbox and panniers  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Battlestar on August 13, 2020, 09:10:01 am
I have the standard 250L and love it. Check my set up here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=249854.20

That price for a new Rally is very good. Grab them while they hot because they are being discontinued from 2021
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:22:56 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 08:59:19 am
I still enjoy mine, but unfortunately do not have the time to use it much. Before lockdown I used it for commuting, so I rode it almost daily, but now it's standing a lot.

I took it down to Sani for the Sani Stagger last year in Nov, doing mostly tar on the N3. Down was ok, but back up was a battle with the wind and hills. In one stretch I only got 18 km per liter, which is atrocious for this bike, and was reduced to 80/90 km/h on some of the hills. It really does not have the power for cruising against the wind, and my side boxes didn't help. 

It's better to stick to back roads when possible and time allows. If the race is on again this year I might take the Rally again, but stay away from the N3.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3fPUpFjgyQxhUGay4qXnwt1q0wYhz98SfJpQ56nFTQ3iIFM2PjcfYdjgTB6TRvS2wXDttiaS6M06sHe1uqRG3RI-NeR4-x4tsMVzjVFOTte9U0Pvwzlqbsru0TpVKWTVsLDQS7JHkp0WAdoarUPLhbe=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eHUwaXLwV1AiYGDm4s430VInr6eKmnIge-TYu2QVjmPTJOKh0-f8k4NL_PWHg-tBHQHoH5Fq9z5QVXdS542eahHtpr0arYTAC00vYBk-5pWZN2kka1jotwNpyzsR75QNTDNGh6x7iltq-5aA51507y=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eajutrPKPtgmc68f7nRW7Okpjv9gdcABT5dIULcqromI-zTocmZUjpbWZ1Xs_5QlTDQAfbLZ8bbljGgXM54QGj6GqRz_Ki7GrqIpwOybM0f8CHh-8WVnnnOgFqVUsBvKhyVWkqrX1rQPLSd-dl6gRm=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cDfNVw6ERvjOmMKIb7Ol1igGVu13AcyC3KA_4AbMr4cSuqL2ExLr_dX1Z3fITUz_XpPExp_g4cqxceoc9Y_YkWp6cV_fYJ48VQILpu7Qy2v0kKpLz2G5xN2_k5D_g-BrK94qjhK02EiwLMt5n7lilC=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

I really need to neaten up my panniers and frames and have them powder coated.
Lekker setup daai  :thumleft: Myne het my erg verbaas op die langpad, hy kon bv baie makliker cruise as my DRZ400 agv die sesde rate al maak die Rally baie minder krag.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:26:08 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Petri dis kannie dood motors, geen issues met hulle nie. Spandeer net bietjie geld en upgrade die agter shock ten minste. Het myne baie geniet ook.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 01:35:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:26:08 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Petri dis kannie dood motors, geen issues met hulle nie. Spandeer net bietjie geld en upgrade die agter shock ten minste. Het myne baie geniet ook.

Ek like, moet se.

Wat weeg hy, seker so 130 kg??

Kyk dis nie 'n long distance cruiser vir af Kaap toe op teer, en occasional gravel nie........dis vir gravel en occasional tar road, maar dis soort van logies dink ek.

Maar hel vir so naweek gravel trippie bike dink ek meer as genoeg, en BAAAAIE maklik om te doen wat ons wil doen - BIKE RY.

Vir die regte JOB dink ek die Rally is die perfect TOOL!!

Dis soos 'n CRF 230 wat ge "adventurise" is.

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Tommy Transalp on August 13, 2020, 02:03:12 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 01:35:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:26:08 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Petri dis kannie dood motors, geen issues met hulle nie. Spandeer net bietjie geld en upgrade die agter shock ten minste. Het myne baie geniet ook.

Ek like, moet se.

Wat weeg hy, seker so 130 kg??

Kyk dis nie 'n long distance cruiser vir af Kaap toe op teer, en occasional gravel nie........dis vir gravel en occasional tar road, maar dis soort van logies dink ek.

Maar hel vir so naweek gravel trippie bike dink ek meer as genoeg, en BAAAAIE maklik om te doen wat ons wil doen - BIKE RY.

Vir die regte JOB dink ek die Rally is die perfect TOOL!!

Dis soos 'n CRF 230 wat ge "adventurise" is.

Dis presies wat ek gedoen het met my CRF230..... Dakar screen, comfy seat, long range tank. Changed gearing to cruise @ 90 - 110kph.

Sal enige plek in Afrika met hom ry... :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Dolf on August 13, 2020, 02:07:28 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 01:35:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:26:08 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Petri dis kannie dood motors, geen issues met hulle nie. Spandeer net bietjie geld en upgrade die agter shock ten minste. Het myne baie geniet ook.

Ek like, moet se.

Wat weeg hy, seker so 130 kg??

Kyk dis nie 'n long distance cruiser vir af Kaap toe op teer, en occasional gravel nie........dis vir gravel en occasional tar road, maar dis soort van logies dink ek.

Maar hel vir so naweek gravel trippie bike dink ek meer as genoeg, en BAAAAIE maklik om te doen wat ons wil doen - BIKE RY.

Vir die regte JOB dink ek die Rally is die perfect TOOL!!

Dis soos 'n CRF 230 wat ge "adventurise" is.

Website says 157kg. Heavier than a 701. Can that be?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grunder on August 13, 2020, 02:13:39 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 08:59:19 am
I still enjoy mine, but unfortunately do not have the time to use it much. Before lockdown I used it for commuting, so I rode it almost daily, but now it's standing a lot.

I took it down to Sani for the Sani Stagger last year in Nov, doing mostly tar on the N3. Down was ok, but back up was a battle with the wind and hills. In one stretch I only got 18 km per liter, which is atrocious for this bike, and was reduced to 80/90 km/h on some of the hills. It really does not have the power for cruising against the wind, and my side boxes didn't help. 

It's better to stick to back roads when possible and time allows. If the race is on again this year I might take the Rally again, but stay away from the N3.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3fPUpFjgyQxhUGay4qXnwt1q0wYhz98SfJpQ56nFTQ3iIFM2PjcfYdjgTB6TRvS2wXDttiaS6M06sHe1uqRG3RI-NeR4-x4tsMVzjVFOTte9U0Pvwzlqbsru0TpVKWTVsLDQS7JHkp0WAdoarUPLhbe=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eHUwaXLwV1AiYGDm4s430VInr6eKmnIge-TYu2QVjmPTJOKh0-f8k4NL_PWHg-tBHQHoH5Fq9z5QVXdS542eahHtpr0arYTAC00vYBk-5pWZN2kka1jotwNpyzsR75QNTDNGh6x7iltq-5aA51507y=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eajutrPKPtgmc68f7nRW7Okpjv9gdcABT5dIULcqromI-zTocmZUjpbWZ1Xs_5QlTDQAfbLZ8bbljGgXM54QGj6GqRz_Ki7GrqIpwOybM0f8CHh-8WVnnnOgFqVUsBvKhyVWkqrX1rQPLSd-dl6gRm=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cDfNVw6ERvjOmMKIb7Ol1igGVu13AcyC3KA_4AbMr4cSuqL2ExLr_dX1Z3fITUz_XpPExp_g4cqxceoc9Y_YkWp6cV_fYJ48VQILpu7Qy2v0kKpLz2G5xN2_k5D_g-BrK94qjhK02EiwLMt5n7lilC=w1151-h863-no?authuser=0)

I really need to neaten up my panniers and frames and have them powder coated.
Those boxes look amazing.

Every time I see them I find myself staring for a couple of minutes.

Don't coat them!!! They are brilliant as is!
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 02:17:19 pm
Quote from: Dolf on August 13, 2020, 02:07:28 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 01:35:23 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 01:26:08 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 12, 2020, 04:11:09 pm
EVERY time I come back to this Thread I'm amazed why not more (all?) people, including myself, dont think this must be the easiest adventure/commuting/weekend fun bike to own. :drif:
Petri dis kannie dood motors, geen issues met hulle nie. Spandeer net bietjie geld en upgrade die agter shock ten minste. Het myne baie geniet ook.

Ek like, moet se.

Wat weeg hy, seker so 130 kg??

Kyk dis nie 'n long distance cruiser vir af Kaap toe op teer, en occasional gravel nie........dis vir gravel en occasional tar road, maar dis soort van logies dink ek.

Maar hel vir so naweek gravel trippie bike dink ek meer as genoeg, en BAAAAIE maklik om te doen wat ons wil doen - BIKE RY.

Vir die regte JOB dink ek die Rally is die perfect TOOL!!

Dis soos 'n CRF 230 wat ge "adventurise" is.

Website says 157kg. Heavier than a 701. Can that be?

Ek sien dis met alle fluids en vol tenk petrol.............seker wat, so 15kg meer???
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 02:30:01 pm
Moet asb nie hierdie bike met die 230 verwar nie, heeltemal ander ding. Waterverkoel, brandstofinspuiting, upside down vurke, goie elektroniese dash met fuel gauge ens.

Die 250L is dieselfde bike sonder die fairings.



Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 02:32:24 pm
Quote from: Grunder on August 13, 2020, 02:13:39 pm
Those boxes look amazing.

Every time I see them I find myself staring for a couple of minutes.

Don't coat them!!! They are brilliant as is!

Thanks, but it does not match the rest of the bike, looks like it should be on a old scruffy XT500. Think they would good in a dark grey or gunmetal.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 02:30:01 pm
Moet asb nie hierdie bike met die 230 verwar nie, heeltemal ander ding. Waterverkoel, brandstofinspuiting, upside down vurke, goie elektroniese dash met fuel gauge ens.

Die 250L is dieselfde bike sonder die fairings.

Min min min bikes soos die 230.......daai ding loop langer as 'n Honda generator. Het paar gehad op die plaas.

Honda reliability = not even under discussion, vir my anyways. Dink nie mens kry beter nie
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 03:17:33 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 03:08:34 pm
Min min min bikes soos die 230.......daai ding loop langer as 'n Honda generator. Het paar gehad op die plaas.

Honda reliability = not even under discussion, vir my anyways. Dink nie mens kry beter nie

Nee ek se nie die 230 is bollie nie, net heeltemal 'n ander toepassing. Dis nie iets waarmee jy baie kms op die pad wil ry nie, en die 250L en Rally is baie geskik daarvoor. 
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 03:37:07 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 03:17:33 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 03:08:34 pm
Min min min bikes soos die 230.......daai ding loop langer as 'n Honda generator. Het paar gehad op die plaas.

Honda reliability = not even under discussion, vir my anyways. Dink nie mens kry beter nie

Nee ek se nie die 230 is bollie nie, net heeltemal 'n ander toepassing. Dis nie iets waarmee jy baie kms op die pad wil ry nie, en die 250L en Rally is baie geskik daarvoor.

Stem 100.

Ja daai Rally wat ek gister in Bloem gesien het haak in my kop vas nog heeldag. ::) :drif:

Sit en dink.........kom ons se ek het my 1150 GSA en 'n Rally in die garage, en ek wil:

1) Gou gou cafe toe vir smokes
...........?? Moeilik. CRF sou ek se. Ligter/makliker/par maklik/meer "vroom vroom" fun

2) Gou gou Saterdag Clarens/Fouriesburg/Rosendal/Bethlehem sirkel ry.......so 140 km, so 40 km teerpad, 100 grondpad
...........Gravel?? CRF

3) Bietjie op die Plaas gaan rondry, beespaadjies en jeep tracks
...........Maklike een - CRF

4) Kaap toe op teer
............Maklike een - GSA, maar kyk onder. Wanneer gaan dit gebeur?

5) Naweek trip, sommer naby, lig pak, NET gravel
.............CRF

6) Sommer net werk toe en terug
..............?? CRF seker maar, selfde as cafe toe en terug vir smokes

..........Dis wat ek wil doen. Behalwe (4) hierbo, ek het nie tyd vir dit nie.Maar kom ons sit dit maar by.

Nee, daai Rally is NIE 'n Boxer, met 'n Boxer feeling nie.

Net my opinie Guys, horses for courses soos hulle se.

Maar ja - regte tool vir die job.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 04:32:24 pm
Make no mistake though for a 250 they are heavy. Battled with mine in heavy sand.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 04:34:33 pm
Petri was dit by Honda Wing Central ? Die L is ook n ongelooflike goeie prys
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 04:52:16 pm
Side - ja, Honda Bloem. Was gister daar om tubes te koop vir die latte se offroads toe loop ek in daai Rally vas.

Daai Special is tot einde Oktober, volgens die Salesman (die R 74900, kitted Rally een).
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: GravelFox on August 13, 2020, 05:02:04 pm
Die Rally praat ook met my. Ek het die L gehad en bietjie spandeer op shocks. Was lekker fiets maar het my partykeer aan  my 50 dae laat dink - op die oop pad moes ek sy oor draai. Na so twee jaar het ek hom maar gesmous en opgegradeer na XTZ660 toe.

Ek is groot voorstander dat jy nie ‘n moerse groot fiets hoef te hê nie. Miskien waar ek nou bly sal die 250 meer sin maak want al die lekker paaie is in die agterplaas en hoef nie lang ente te ry om by dit uit te kom nie... maar dan is daar die versoeking van die T7!!!!


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 05:06:55 pm
Die Rally praat ook met my.
Die Rally is nogal hoogerig ve my ek verkies die L. Natuurlik lyk die Rally die coolste van die twee.
My vrou het n Rally getoets en ekt aspris die roete so uitgewerk dat ons met n kopwind huistoe kom. Haar eerste woorde toe ons by die huis stop was "indien ek iets wil verby steek verwag ek dit moet op dieselfde dag wees"!!! ;) :lol8:
Mens moenie vanaf n haaswakker losgeryde 650 klim en enige werks verrigting verwag.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on August 13, 2020, 05:26:44 pm
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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: GravelFox on August 13, 2020, 05:33:14 pm
Quote from: teebag on August 13, 2020, 05:26:44 pm
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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: PapaDragon on August 13, 2020, 05:50:29 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Grunder on August 13, 2020, 05:57:28 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 13, 2020, 02:32:24 pm
Quote from: Grunder on August 13, 2020, 02:13:39 pm
Those boxes look amazing.

Every time I see them I find myself staring for a couple of minutes.

Don't coat them!!! They are brilliant as is!

Thanks, but it does not match the rest of the bike, looks like it should be on a old scruffy XT500. Think they would good in a dark grey or gunmetal.
Gunmetal will work
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 05:06:55 pm
Die Rally praat ook met my.
Die Rally is nogal hoogerig ve my ek verkies die L. Natuurlik lyk die Rally die coolste van die twee.
My vrou het n Rally getoets en ekt aspris die roete so uitgewerk dat ons met n kopwind huistoe kom. Haar eerste woorde toe ons by die huis stop was "indien ek iets wil verby steek verwag ek dit moet op dieselfde dag wees"!!! ;) :lol8:
Mens moenie vanaf n haaswakker losgeryde 650 klim en enige werks verrigting verwag.
En dis die pleit dat Honda die bike in n 500cc weergawe moes uitgebring het, hou die looks en lae maintenence skedule. Sou n wenner gewees het.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 06:02:40 pm
Ek sien hulle maak al klaar die CRF 450 L..............Street legal version. Prys R 124000.

..........dalk die look of things to come???
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 06:06:11 pm
Quote from: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 05:57:47 pm
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 05:06:55 pm
Die Rally praat ook met my.
Die Rally is nogal hoogerig ve my ek verkies die L. Natuurlik lyk die Rally die coolste van die twee.
My vrou het n Rally getoets en ekt aspris die roete so uitgewerk dat ons met n kopwind huistoe kom. Haar eerste woorde toe ons by die huis stop was "indien ek iets wil verby steek verwag ek dit moet op dieselfde dag wees"!!! ;) :lol8:
Mens moenie vanaf n haaswakker losgeryde 650 klim en enige werks verrigting verwag.
En dis die pleit dat Honda die bike in n 500cc weergawe moes uitgebring het, hou die looks en lae maintenence skedule. Sou n wenner gewees het.
Ai man daai twin 500 in daai Rally body sal darem so lekker wees!! :thumleft: :drif:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2020, 06:14:47 pm
Quote from: petri oosthuizen on August 13, 2020, 06:02:40 pm
Ek sien hulle maak al klaar die CRF 450 L..............Street legal version. Prys R 124000.

..........dalk die look of things to come???
Ja maar dis meer soos n enduro, hy gaan nie so lekker trip nie. Die CB500X twin motor sou lekker gewerk het.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 14, 2020, 08:30:55 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 06:06:11 pm
Ai man daai twin 500 in daai Rally body sal darem so lekker wees!! :thumleft: :drif:

Dit is 'n baie algemene versoek, maar ek dink nou weer hy moet steeds 'n single wees, max 400 cc.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: petri oosthuizen on August 14, 2020, 08:32:47 am
Ons design nou lekker bikes vir Honda :laughing4:

Iets soos 'n XR 650 Adventure kon ook mooi geloop het.........??
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 14, 2020, 08:50:02 am
Just another note on the highway ability. When you do not have a headwind or brick shaped panniers, this bike actually cruises at 130-140 km/h indicated. Like Sidetrack mentioned, the sixth gear is long enough for that.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 14, 2020, 09:16:07 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on August 14, 2020, 08:30:55 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2020, 06:06:11 pm
Ai man daai twin 500 in daai Rally body sal darem so lekker wees!! :thumleft: :drif:

Dit is 'n baie algemene versoek, maar ek dink nou weer hy moet steeds 'n single wees, max 400 cc.
Kan werk maar hou hom soos per n 250L motor, maw baie olie en normale kompressie. Nie n 4T racing motor nie. 38- 40HP of so sal meer as genoeg wees gekoppel aan die 6de rat.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on August 14, 2020, 09:18:52 am
Quote from: sidetrack on August 14, 2020, 09:16:07 am
Kan werk maar hou hom soos per n 250L motor, maw baie olie en normale kompressie. Nie n 4T racing motor nie. 38- 40HP of so sal meer as genoeg wees gekoppel aan die 6de rat.

Presies. Die Rally het nie nog 20 kW nodig nie, net so 5-8.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on August 14, 2020, 09:41:59 am
Yip ding is as mens bv gewoond is aan n 650 single dan voel die 250 pap veral as jy om n draai gaan teen lae toere / spoed in 2de rat, myne het niks daarvan gehou nie. Mens leer hom ander ry met tyd maar man n 400 of 500cc sou darem lekker gewees het.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 14, 2020, 09:56:46 am
400 of 500cc

XR 400's was lekker fietse met oorgenoeg stonk. So as die Rally so n 400 ingehad het sou dit n lekker toerfiets gemaak het. Kyk waar het mense al om die wêreld gery met Suzuki DR 350's.
Ek moet byvoeg my vrou het nie van die idee gehou dat sy die Rally hoog moes rev. Sy was nie gewoond daaraan met haar 650 GS. Sy het toe n XCountry gekoop wat presies dieselfde gewig is as die Rally maar 650 krag. Miesies was happy clappy totdat sy ophou ry het.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2020, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?

Ek dink as jy aan daardie tipe krag gewoond is gaan jy sukkel. Wat wil jy doen met die fiets?
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:53:42 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2020, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?

Ek dink as jy aan daardie tipe krag gewoond is gaan jy sukkel. Wat wil jy doen met die fiets?

Commute 10km elke dag en oor n naweek bietjie grondpad. Ek en my GF wil ook short weekend trips doen. Sy op haar 250 en dan ek op myne
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:59:11 pm
Heel belangrikste vir my is betroubaarheid.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: teebag on September 06, 2020, 11:04:31 pm
sounds perfect for those requirements


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Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Hardy de Kock on September 07, 2020, 05:27:03 am
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:53:42 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2020, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?

Ek dink as jy aan daardie tipe krag gewoond is gaan jy sukkel. Wat wil jy doen met die fiets?

Commute 10km elke dag en oor n naweek bietjie grondpad. Ek en my GF wil ook short weekend trips doen. Sy op haar 250 en dan ek op myne

PM die Visarende - hulle het die 250 L en die 250 Rally. Hulle is baie gelukkig met die twee fietse
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on September 07, 2020, 08:24:58 am
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:53:42 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2020, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?

Ek dink as jy aan daardie tipe krag gewoond is gaan jy sukkel. Wat wil jy doen met die fiets?

Commute 10km elke dag en oor n naweek bietjie grondpad. Ek en my GF wil ook short weekend trips doen. Sy op haar 250 en dan ek op myne

As jy krag en spoed soek gaan jy dit nie hier kry nie.  Maar ek glo jy besef dit. 

Ek kom van die groot bike brigade, nie stadig afgekom na die 250 nie, reguit van groot na klein.  Die 1ste rit dog ek, hier het ek groot fout gemaak.  Binne 'n week was dit 'n heel ander storie.  Toe ek eers grondpad toe is was ek verrassend verbaas oor hoe gemaklik ek nou kon ry, maar voorheen gesukkel het met die groot bike.  Dis 'n speelding wat jy kan manipuleer en jy is in beheer die heel tyd.  Gin gesukkel en gestoei oor tegniese en moeilike dele nie.   Ek het weer gevoel soos 'n tiener oor die nuwe speelding.   

Ek het wel later weer groter gegaan (650) maar vinnig teruggeval na die 250 Rally.  Die ander groot plesier en bonus is dat beide ek en die vrou saam kan rondrits.  Ek op my Rally en sy op haar L.  En moennie dink die fietse is net vir kort ritte of naweek "out rides" nie.  Hulle is heel gemaklik op langer trips.  Ons was selfs al Nam toe, alhoewel ek toe nog op die 650, maar vroulief op haar 250.  Maar glo my, ons virsiere is ingestel op toekomstige lang trips oor die landsgrense.    Betroubaarheid gaan nie 'n probleem wees nie. 

Groter is nie altyd beter nie, dit het ek gou uitgevind.  Hoeveel krag en spoed het jy in elk geval nodig as jy die agterpaaie ry.  Ons doen gemaklik tussen 400 - 500km trips per dag sonder veel moeite.  Kortom, ek (en vroulief) geniet onsself terdee en twyfel of ons ooit weer groot sal gaan.   

Vir jou doel, 10km commute, bietjie grondpad saam met jou GF en betroubaarheid, kan jy nie 'n fout maak nie. 

Sterkte met jou besluit.   
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on September 07, 2020, 08:49:57 am
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:53:42 pm
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2020, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Is julle nog happy met die Rally? Ek wil graag een koop. Ek ry tans n KTM 1050 en voor dit BMW F650. Gaan die 250 my gelukkig maak? Of gaan die bike te klein voel vir my?

Ek dink as jy aan daardie tipe krag gewoond is gaan jy sukkel. Wat wil jy doen met die fiets?

Commute 10km elke dag en oor n naweek bietjie grondpad. Ek en my GF wil ook short weekend trips doen. Sy op haar 250 en dan ek op myne

Die L is baie vinniger as die Rally ..... Ek is altyd voor  :pot: :pot: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944

Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 07, 2020, 09:20:44 am
Dankie vir die terugvoer, ek waardeer dit baie. Ek gaan die week een toetsbestuur, maar is redelik seker dat ek een gaan kry.

 >:D
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 07, 2020, 09:22:01 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944

How did I miss that RR. Excellent :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:31:45 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.

No worries.... I was just referring to the smaller capacity bikes being so capable.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:46:50 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:31:45 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.

No worries.... I was just referring to the smaller capacity bikes being so capable.
They are indeed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 07, 2020, 09:56:14 am
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:59:11 pm
Heel belangrikste vir my is betroubaarheid.

Dan is jy by die regte plek. Is daar nog 'n fiets met so min (of enigsins) known issues?

Hy is ook uitgeknip vir daardie 10 km commute. Ek doen 21 km one way werk toe deur die stad, en die fiets is perfek daarvoor. Goedkoop om aan die gang te hou, en vrek lig op brandstof.
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 09:56:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.
The Tornado and the L is very close to each other. Nearly bought a Tornado for the misses, but she is kicking against the 250 power or rather lack there off.

https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2015/03/25/honda-crf250l-vs-xr250-tornado/
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Vis Arend on September 07, 2020, 09:59:47 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 09:56:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.
The Tornado and the L is very close to each other. Nearly bought a Tornado for the misses, but she is kicking against the 250 power or rather lack there off.

https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2015/03/25/honda-crf250l-vs-xr250-tornado/

Sy moet hom ref Chris, idle help nie met die goed nie.  Ry hom soos 'n 2 stroke, alles bo 6 000rpm werk goed.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 10:04:51 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on September 07, 2020, 09:59:47 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 09:56:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.
The Tornado and the L is very close to each other. Nearly bought a Tornado for the misses, but she is kicking against the 250 power or rather lack there off.

https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2015/03/25/honda-crf250l-vs-xr250-tornado/

Sy moet hom ref Chris, idle help nie met die goed nie.  Ry hom soos 'n 2 stroke, alles bo 6 000rpm werk goed.   :biggrin:
En daai is die probleem Vis sy is gewoond aan thumpers wat torque en sy is meganies sensetief(waaroor ek bly is) dus steek die gerevery haar dwars in die krop of is dit bors in die geval? ;)
Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: Edgar on September 07, 2020, 11:10:08 am
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop on September 07, 2020, 09:56:14 am
Quote from: Edgar on September 06, 2020, 09:59:11 pm
Heel belangrikste vir my is betroubaarheid.

Dan is jy by die regte plek. Is daar nog 'n fiets met so min (of enigsins) known issues?

Hy is ook uitgeknip vir daardie 10 km commute. Ek doen 21 km one way werk toe deur die stad, en die fiets is perfek daarvoor. Goedkoop om aan die gang te hou, en vrek lig op brandstof.

Dankie, dis alles goed wat ek graag wil hoor  :thumleft:



Title: Re: CRF250 Rally/DS
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 11:31:06 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 10:04:51 am
Quote from: Vis Arend on September 07, 2020, 09:59:47 am
Quote from: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 07, 2020, 09:56:50 am
Quote from: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: BullFrog on September 07, 2020, 09:04:36 am
To help you in your decision, Check out Niteowl's reports:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240405.msg4305944#msg4305944
Just note they are riding Tornados not L's but still a very good option as well and should be better priced.
The Tornado and the L is very close to each other. Nearly bought a Tornado for the misses, but she is kicking against the 250 power or rather lack there off.

https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2015/03/25/honda-crf250l-vs-xr250-tornado/

Sy moet hom ref Chris, idle help nie met die goed nie.  Ry hom soos 'n 2 stroke, alles bo 6 000rpm werk goed.   :biggrin:
En daai is die probleem Vis sy is gewoond aan thumpers wat torque en sy is meganies sensetief(waaroor ek bly is) dus steek die gerevery haar dwars in die krop of is dit bors in die geval? ;)
Dit is waar as jy gewoond is aan n 650 thumper gaan n 250 dood voel veral op lae toere, vergeet bv om n 250 stading in 2de om n draai te vat en te versnel.