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Title: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 09:57:22 am
So after my first attempt  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=190646.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=190646.0)  I decided that I now have the confidence to tackle this bigger project.
Everybody in South Africa will only help you with a sidecar if it is fitted to a GS or a Ural it seems like.
But the funny thing is that once you start to post info on your build, you will have all the EXPERTS in the world chipping in.

That's fine, but I am forced to do it alone and I will do it MY WAY  :imaposer:

So I had this idea to build a sidecar looking like a Land Rover and have a sticker on the back saying :  "THANK GOODNES a YAMAHA CAME ALONG TO GET ME HOME"

But making a sidecar TUB from scratch is no easy task.

So when Keith started his new sidecar project, I decided to contact him and try and get one of his sidecar bodies as I like his shape.
I contacted the man and we made a deal....just a tub, I will do my own engineering.

I paid him a 50% deposito and less than 4 weeks later he phones me up to come and fetch my new tub.

I got into my old Vaal Japie tractor (Toyota Condor 3D 4x4) and went to fetch it in Swellendam where the tubs are produced by a professional boat building company.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:06:10 am
It has now being a few months where I started to gather parts and forming ideas on how to put it all together.
As an electronics technologist I have no Engineering background, but thanks to Mr Google and some common sense, I am sure I will get there.
This will be a on / off-road rig where the off-road will be gravel highways and some 2 spoor but not heavy plastic/KTM off-road conditions.

I managed to get a 2nd hand 15 inch mag wheel for a good price.  Had some scratched on it and a missing middle plastic cover.
But the price was right and I got stuck into it with my power file and removed the lip where the plastic cover was supposed to be fitted.
Then I painted it Satin Black for now.
I might take it in for bead blasting and powder coat later.
 
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:10:19 am
While I was busy on the Honda sidecar I managed to get the wheel bearing, disk and caliper sourced.
Now it was time to get it to fit on the frame.
Luckily I have my laser cutter and I drew up some flanges to fit everything together.
I used 3mm supawood and tested the fit.
All seems to be fitting together nicely so I send the DXF files over to the laser cutters.  Should be done by the end of the week or early next week.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:13:20 am
Had a lekker rustige drive down to Swellendam...Rustig because the Condor is no F-1 racer.
Passing Ladismith I saw the snow on the mountains and was thinking of the poor chaps that HAD to attend the Thumper Bash.  :imaposer:

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Oupa Foe-rie on August 10, 2016, 10:13:55 am
En net mooi die afgelope naweek sit ek met dieselfde gedagte ................  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:15:28 am
Took me about 15 hours to get to Swellendam where I met Keith.
Slept like a baby.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:16:40 am
En net mooi die afgelope naweek sit ek met dieselfde gedagte ................  :thumleft:
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Kyk ek word OUD en met so 'n rig kan ek hoopenlik my ry jare BAIE verleng.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:21:59 am
Next morning we were up early.  Had some coffee and a lekker chat and then went off to the boat builders.
There Keith had to fit the back carrier / table the front bulbar and the screen.

Took a while to do it correctly.  So my plan to turn and burn was not to be.
I really thought I could load up, get back on the road and try and surprise the KZB Bash chaps, but it just was not possible anymore.
So we went to town to have a bit to eat before I hit the road.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:29:51 am
I had no Idea where to find sleeping place for the night.  So I hit the road and let it be a surprise.
Suddenly around 16h30 I saw the turnoff to Buffelsbaai.

Made a sharp right turn and found the most beautiful caravan park ON THE SEA... just like I like it.
Went to the shop... no beer, no wine, so a bottle of Ginger Ale a old braaipack from last December, a packet of Simba chips and some buns had to do for the night.

But it was worth it...just being next to the sea having a braai by myself.

LEKKER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drif:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:34:35 am
Next morning early I packed up my tent and hit the road.
Went past Louis and Nannie in Kin Williamstown to pick up my ZERO Fridge that he donated to me.
Then off to East London to go and say hello to my fellow BSA Bantam bike builder and eventually to my colleague where he treated me to a lekker braai and a warm bed.

Next morning 05h00 I was on the road.  Only 995 km to go.

Got home without a problem....3222 km to pick up a sidecar...madness... no LEKKER !!!!! :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:46:59 am
With a holiday on the 9th of August, I decided to get stuck into it.
I tried my 6 foot frame and fitted well into the sidecar. Ample leg room and the feeling was GOOD.
Constructed a wooden dolly so that I can determine the height and position of the car to the bike.
Will have about 300 mm ground clearance under the sidecar if all works out.

I plan to do a SEMI leaner.... meaning that the sidecar is not fixed solidly to the bike.
The idea is to use the center of the bike as a pivot so that the bike can still be ridden like a NORMAL bike and one does not have to modify the rake of the front wheels to give better handling. I will also try and have 2 struts that can be attached during sand or mud riding so that the rig becomes a SOLID entity.

During this SOLID riding time one will then have to steer the rig with the handle bars.
99,9% of other riding the bike could LEAN and be ridden around corners like a normal bike.
I will not have full leaning capability and the sidecar will have to be so far away from the bike that the whole outfit becomes to wide to run on the road.  But by experiments show that under NORMAL road riding the bike only leans a few degrees so it should not be a problem.
This is not a F-1 racing car, so I will go around corners a bit slower than normal.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 10:52:52 am
I managed to find a damaged Rumbux crass bar from my local Yamaha dealer.
I welded a 5mm thick steel plate at the bottom.
Then a 8mm flat bar onto this.
I took this flat bar to the TOP frame mounting in the front.
Will still attach the  back to the center stand points.
From the front and the back I will then attach my 2 main beams to the sidecar.

The Rumbux belly plate does not sit SQUARE to the bike.
To have my flat bar in the center, I used the 32mm round pipe that I will be constructing my frame from along the front and back wheel to get the CENTER of the bottom plate.

Happy so far.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 10, 2016, 10:57:59 am
Looking good so far  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 11:04:40 am
Thanks BH.  Cannot wait to get it on the road.

Must say, my new inverter / mig welder is real pleasure to put this thing together. Wilth my old oil bath welder I would not trust it.  :3some:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 10, 2016, 11:12:28 am
That welding looks very good, with the right tools anything is possible  :thumleft: I can't wait to see the end product.

I see that you camped at Umshanti at Swellendam. It is very beautiful there. We are going to the River Run Rally that will be hosted there 2-4 September. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 0012 on August 10, 2016, 11:47:36 am
alhoewel sidecars vir OU mense is, gaan ek hier "sub" want:
1) dis n yamaha se sidecar  :drif:
2) ek gaan ook een dag oud word  :imaposer:

Lyk awesome, gooi meer!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on August 10, 2016, 11:59:23 am
Google "Flexit" sidecars en sien of jy die schematics kan kry vir sidecars wat saam die bike lę as jy draai.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: corne.l on August 10, 2016, 12:30:33 pm
Lekker Woody!

Hou jou fyn dop!
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: DeeCeeBee on August 10, 2016, 12:47:50 pm
Nice one Woody!
Ive always enjoyed your fearlessness in tackling the unknown...mooi man!
I see "KransAap" also sold you a lekker Condor!!

Groete
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
Thanks guys.

Nee Gerard, had a look at it...too complicated with a chain and sprocket system and a single wheel in the middle of the sidecar.
Found a German site with some pictures on this CENTER LINE idea.

Will work out the unknown myself
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 10, 2016, 02:14:38 pm
Ek verstaan jy wil maak dat die bike kan lę om draaie, maar sal hy nog kan wheelie?  :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 02:25:57 pm
Jy sal maar moet kom kyk en prober...want ek kan nie al wil ek ook probeer.

Dink net as ek daai 260 liter BOOT vol bier maak ry ek op die agterwiel tot in die Kaap.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 02:27:00 pm
Oooo ja meneertjie... ek hoor jy skinder lekker by Shimwells oor my en my sidecar.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :patch:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 0012 on August 10, 2016, 03:24:12 pm
 :spitcoffee:     :lol8:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 03:31:06 pm
Ek ken iemand wat daar by Frank werk.  Sal bietjie met haar praat en dan gaan hy bars.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Kameel on August 10, 2016, 03:50:58 pm
Mooi Woody!
Keep it coming.
Ek het nog altyd 'n bewondering gehad vir mense met passie en 'n wil.
Sien uit na die eindproduk! :ricky:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 03:51:44 pm
Ek is nou MOEG omgeval.... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 10, 2016, 04:18:35 pm
Oooo ja meneertjie... ek hoor jy skinder lekker by Shimwells oor my en my sidecar.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :patch:

Haha! Jy weet mos ek moet nuus bassyn as daar iets met 'n Yamaha gebeur!!!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 10, 2016, 04:21:15 pm
Ek ken iemand wat daar by Frank werk.  Sal bietjie met haar praat en dan gaan hy bars.  :imaposer:

 :imaposer: EK maak my kantoor deur toe niemand mag my pla nie!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 10, 2016, 04:30:48 pm
Woody hoeveel mieliemeter per liter gee die Condor op die oop patat?
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 05:28:59 pm
Chris ek het van 7.7 tot 9.9 km/l gekry.  Afhangende van die wind en met die sidecar op die dak.
My gemiddelde was 8.6 km / l op die trip.

Ek is happy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 10, 2016, 06:13:35 pm
Chris ek het van 7.7 tot 9.9 km/l gekry.  Afhangende van die wind en met die sidecar op die dak.
My gemiddelde was 8.6 km / l op die trip.

Ek is happy  :thumleft:
sy verby steek spoed is seker meetbaar in ligjare? ;) >:D
Diesel verbruik is heel gaaf siende dat jy die Ark op die dak gehad het ;)
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 10, 2016, 07:20:48 pm
Ja kyk daai verbygaan moet jy BEPLAN. :P
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 15, 2016, 07:20:22 am
Another weekend of hectic activities, but I managed to get a little bit more done.

Off came the center stand.  Firstly because I need that SPACE for my back fixing point and I wanted to tie in the system that I have constructed to this point on the frame.

So I made this 9mm plate to fit onto the center stand mounting points and welded the bottom part to the 9mm flat bar going through to the front of the bike.

Now it is one SOLID piece of mounting space.

Late Friday I managed to get my laser cut parts for the wheel / brake assembly.  These big boys do not want to be bothered with a R 134.00 jobbie and mine was stuck at the back of the list.  So after making some noise on Friday morning, I managed to get them just before they closed on Friday afternoon.

I could now construct my wheel assembly with the flange for the brake caliper.

Putting it all together took a while because the disk was catching on the caliper.  But a few adjustments later I managed to get it to run nice and free.

Bolted it all together using these fancy expensive washers..... :'(

Man I love this new Inverter / mig welder.  Still having some issues setting up the mig feed and current, so I reverted back to stick welding.
I am by no means a top welder, but when I weld with this thing and the flux curl up by itself, I get this warm fuzzy feeling that this is a nice weld.

Will have to decide how much TILT I want this bike to have. So I put my angle meter on the tank and went for a ride.
Under normal riding you hardly get to 6 degrees....so I figured that if I put a lean angle of 12 degrees mac on my rig, I should be ok.
The 12 degrees lean means I do not have to have the tub too far away from the bike before they touch...
I saw some rigs in Germany that is FAR away from each other and I did not like it.

So lets see how it pans out.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 15, 2016, 07:31:58 am
Next job was to make the connecting points where the rig will attach to the bike.

I have used Vesconite  http://www.vesconite.com/ (http://www.vesconite.com/) before and believe that this is the correct material to use here.
I could make a strong joint by making my own bushes using this material.

Go an read how this product was DISCOVERED and how well it holds up in South African Mining conditions where mud and water is a constant problem.

I took a 50mm piece of my 32mm OD pipe and cleaned the inside out on the lathe.  All pipes have this RIDGE on the inside where it was joined.
After I had a smooth barrel, I started making the bushes itself.

Next was to make a STRONG joint where the barrel and the bush meets up.
I thought I could sand it on my spindle sander, but I did not have a 32mm spindle on the thing.  So I popped into my local hardware store and bought a 32mm steel hole saw.

Cut the end of the tube out and the barrel fitted in nice and tight.

This gave me plenty welding space to get the 2 pieces together.

Cleaned it with a flapper disk and sat back and enjoyed my work for the day.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Black_Hawk on August 15, 2016, 08:32:31 am
Well done  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 15, 2016, 08:48:19 am
Thanks BH... Wish I had more time to play.  Cannot wait for it to be finished. :ricky:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on August 15, 2016, 08:52:05 am
Ag nee siesa man, mens gebruik nie 'n grinder op welds nie  :P
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 15, 2016, 09:14:25 am
Ja maar ek het mos gese ek is nie 'n welder of 'n ingeneur nie. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Lew on August 15, 2016, 03:55:08 pm
Lyk baie nice ou maat en uiteindelik n sidecar vir n tenere.Ek dink dis nog lekkerder as jy hom self gebou het.Jy gaan nog baie ,baie ,baie goed oor doen en verander en verstel maar dis als deel van die lekker.Kan nie wag vir jou eerste ride nie.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 15, 2016, 04:09:56 pm
Dankie Lew.  Ja ek hoop om die komende naweek redelik te vorder.  My groot seun het belowe om te kom help.

Meeste van die klein dingetjies is gedoen. nou net die frame klaar aanmekaar sit.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Laban on August 15, 2016, 05:57:22 pm



....lekker woody1.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 16, 2016, 06:55:47 am
Dankie Laban.  Dis julle ouens met die karretjies wat my aangesteek het.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 16, 2016, 10:46:33 am
Just went to pick up my 2 new bushes.  I could not get 19mm Metric Rosejoints and were offered 3/4 inch UNF thread units.
So for me to make a bush with this fine STUPID thread inside was a no go.
My local engineering shop turned these 2 for me and I managed to scrounge his OLD 3/4 inch UNF tap from him.
Total Cost R 90.00.  I think the tap alone is a few hundred bucks.

SCORE !!
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on August 17, 2016, 12:01:29 am
 :ricky: Befok
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 2bfree on August 20, 2016, 09:02:16 am
Hey Woody... sorry I haven't seen this sooner, been off the forums for a while.

All I can say is well done! It's looking awesome!

Having met you I now know you will create something special from all this.

As Ricky Gervais said... "It's better to create something that others criticize than to create nothing and criticize others"

Cheers

Keith
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on August 20, 2016, 09:13:59 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Fudge on August 20, 2016, 09:47:38 am
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: stevo on August 20, 2016, 04:23:26 pm
Looking good so far Woody
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 20, 2016, 06:08:28 pm
My son came today to give a hand. But a leaking waterpipe in the roof took some of our construction time.
work in progress. Cannot wait to get it on the road.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Geel Kat on August 20, 2016, 06:13:39 pm
Wat chrome jy alles?
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 20, 2016, 06:17:46 pm
Wat chrome jy alles?
wonder of hy n rim op die sidekar gaan sit wat nog steeds spin na hy gestop het? :peepwall: >:D
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Dirt Junkie on August 20, 2016, 06:57:37 pm
"Vinnige" Witte en side kick, lyk goed,  sal mooi lyk met daai rooi decal aan die kant,  selfde as die bike
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: RobC on August 20, 2016, 07:12:42 pm
Now I want to do this for Shrek as well... Marmite would love a ride! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 20, 2016, 07:42:16 pm
Van julle ouens is net jaloers.... :imaposer:
Title: Re:
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 22, 2016, 06:45:29 pm
Nee kyk!  Kobus mag maar!  Daai kontrapsie gaan mooi werk!  Dankie vir die vinnige kuier...  :thumleft:

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 22, 2016, 06:49:32 pm
Ons hoop so.. Wens net hy was al klaar.

Jou so lanklaas gesien die soengroet was lekker gewees. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 22, 2016, 07:15:41 pm
Ek hou die thread dop, kannie wag om die eind produk te sien nie!!

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 29, 2016, 09:05:24 am
So was daar darem die naweek weer bietjie gewerk aan daai sidecar?  :peepwall:

Hoe vorder hy?
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 09:57:33 am
Weer 'n lek waterpyp wat sommer vroeg Saterdag oggend begin het met sy twak en my spoed gebreek het.
Ja ek het IETS gedoen , maar niks om op te raporteer nie.

So as jy DALK volgende Maandag weer geselskap soek... NEE NIKS gedoen daai naweek nie.
Gaan Vryheid toe vir my 40 jaar Reunie by die skool.

Dus gaan werk nou en wag in spanning vir my sidecar om EENDAG klaar te kom. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: corne.l on August 29, 2016, 10:10:44 am
hierdie vat nou amper so lank soos daai ander ou oom se kruiwa
Title: Re: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on August 29, 2016, 10:19:47 am
Weer 'n lek waterpyp wat sommer vroeg Saterdag oggend begin het met sy twak en my spoed gebreek het.
Ja ek het IETS gedoen , maar niks om op te raporteer nie.

So as jy DALK volgende Maandag weer geselskap soek... NEE NIKS gedoen daai naweek nie.
Gaan Vryheid toe vir my 40 jaar Reunie by die skool.

Dus gaan werk nou en wag in spanning vir my sidecar om EENDAG klaar te kom. :imaposer:
:imaposer :
Orite sorry oom, sal wag in spanning!  :peepwall:

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 10:20:42 am
Ja daai ou in die baai het my MOOI geleer  :peepwall: :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on August 29, 2016, 10:28:47 am
Ja daai ou in die baai het my MOOI geleer  :peepwall: :pot: :imaposer:

Met my onverbeterlike vermoë om verkeerd te meet, het ek myself so twee weke teruggesit met parte wat oorgemaak moet word  :lamer:

Maar hy is darem uit die dak gehaal, aanmekaargesit en bekyk  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 11:39:04 am
Omdat ek alleen werk gaan dit ook maar so.  Ongelukkig kan ek hom nie op papier design nie...dus is dit maar dink, maak en OORMAAK...  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on August 29, 2016, 12:14:20 pm
Omdat ek alleen werk gaan dit ook maar so.  Ongelukkig kan ek hom nie op papier design nie...dus is dit maar dink, maak en OORMAAK...  :imaposer:

 :thumleft: Net so. Dis hoekom ek met staal werk en nie hout nie. Moes al te veel goeie hout weggooi... staal sny ek net, las en sweis oor  :lol8:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 12:56:05 pm
Eish maar staal is VUIL werk.  Hout ruik en voel so lekker
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 29, 2016, 01:20:52 pm
onverbeterlike vermoë om verkeerd te meet,

ek het daai kuns vervolmaak :biggrin: :biggrin:

ek het die grootste respek vir manne wat iets by jou huis kom meet na sy werksplek ry dit maak en dan kom fit en dit pas 100%.
Ek kan net iets maak as ek kort kort kan meet, net om seker te maak ek is verkeerd :lol8: :eek7: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 01:23:44 pm
Eish en met die bike wat nie 'n SQUARE blok is nie.....dan maak jy iets, sit hom aan en dan wys hy DOERKANT toe. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Groenie on August 29, 2016, 01:40:21 pm
'n Chom van my het altyd gesę hy sal begin houtwerk doen sodra hulle hout sweis rods uitvind
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on August 29, 2016, 01:44:28 pm
Demmit, as ek daai frame van hout kon gebou het was hy laaaaankal al klaar gewees.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 08:33:31 am
SLOW progress.
Dis nie lekker om alleen te werk nie, dus gaan dit maar stadig.
Saterdag begin met 'n chalk streep op die vloer.
Bike lekker reguit op die streep laat staan.
Toe 'n tweede streep getrek haaks met die eerste.
Toe kon ek die frame begin bou.

Later die middag het Sweisie my grootseun gekom en hy het toe al my spotwelds ( Welding waarmee hy my spot) mooi oorgesweis. :3some:

Volgende naweek kom die wiel en shock aan die beurt en dan kan ons hom toetsry.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 09:27:36 am
hy het toe al my spotwelds ( Welding waarmee hy my spot) mooi oorgesweis.

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 10:27:31 am
Ek gaan die laaitie nog hard bliksem.. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 12, 2016, 10:49:31 am
Ek kannie fotos hier kyk, jy sal vir my asb n foto moet whatsapp van die eind produk

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 10:49:45 am
Ek gaan die laaitie nog hard bliksem.. :imaposer:
Ek sou nie as ek jy was nie. Hy is n man van min woorde, hulle tipe slaan hard en stil stil :deal: :eek7:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 11:45:38 am
 :lamer:

Lyk my ou Tom hakkel. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 12, 2016, 11:47:29 am
:lamer:

Lyk my ou Tom hakkel. :imaposer:

Of baie gretig. Wil seker maak hy mis niks  :lol8:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 12:55:15 pm
Vrydag middag gaan ry ek n draai vir die eerste keer vandat ek uit Nam uit gekom het.
Nie vér van my huis af in tweede rat op n draai bestorm n voorheen benadeelde hond my. Byt my aan die linkerbeen. Ek stoei nog met hom toe storm benadeelde hond no twee my en begin byt aan my voorwiel.
Toe ek bo oor hond no twee ry verloor ek my balans na links of hond no een trek my aan die been na links en ek val. :biggrin:

My dae van bike ry sonder n derde wiel raak nou min. Ek kyk aandagtig hier. As ek so iets aanpak moet dit net n raamwerk met n derde wiel wees. Geen sidekar of sulke goed. OK ek sal dalk oorweeg om die raamwerk tralies op te sit. ;) >:D
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 12:58:07 pm
Nou praat jy.. Dalk net 'n sak sand insit vir ballast  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 01:01:23 pm
Nou praat jy.. Dalk net 'n sak sand insit vir ballast  :thumleft:
Ek soek niks meer pakplek nie. OK miskien ekstra petrol.
Ek wil net nie meer omtip nie.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 01:31:46 pm
Hallelujah... Daar sien Chris die lig ! :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 12, 2016, 01:34:55 pm
Vrydag middag gaan ry ek n draai vir die eerste keer vandat ek uit Nam uit gekom het.
Nie vér van my huis af in tweede rat op n draai bestorm n voorheen benadeelde hond my. Byt my aan die linkerbeen. Ek stoei nog met hom toe storm benadeelde hond no twee my en begin byt aan my voorwiel.
Toe ek bo oor hond no twee ry verloor ek my balans na links of hond no een trek my aan die been na links en ek val. :biggrin:

My dae van bike ry sonder n derde wiel raak nou min. Ek kyk aandagtig hier. As ek so iets aanpak moet dit net n raamwerk met n derde wiel wees. Geen sidekar of sulke goed. OK ek sal dalk oorweeg om die raamwerk tralies op te sit. ;) >:D

Dink net hoe lekker kan jy en Amanda rondry.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 01:49:48 pm
Vrydag middag gaan ry ek n draai vir die eerste keer vandat ek uit Nam uit gekom het.
Nie vér van my huis af in tweede rat op n draai bestorm n voorheen benadeelde hond my. Byt my aan die linkerbeen. Ek stoei nog met hom toe storm benadeelde hond no twee my en begin byt aan my voorwiel.
Toe ek bo oor hond no twee ry verloor ek my balans na links of hond no een trek my aan die been na links en ek val. :biggrin:

My dae van bike ry sonder n derde wiel raak nou min. Ek kyk aandagtig hier. As ek so iets aanpak moet dit net n raamwerk met n derde wiel wees. Geen sidekar of sulke goed. OK ek sal dalk oorweeg om die raamwerk tralies op te sit. ;) >:D

Dink net hoe lekker kan jy en Amanda rondry.
Nee sy ry haar eie bike.

Ek soek so n platbak tipe ding. So lig as moontlik

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 02:11:24 pm
As hy lig is gaan jy ook omdonder en dan gaan daai brakkie jou bal weer kou. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on September 12, 2016, 02:51:20 pm
Kobus!!!

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 12, 2016, 02:55:29 pm
Kobus!!!

 :imaposer:
ek het getik die hond het my aan die been gebyt, nou lees hy bal :biggrin:
dan wil hy my oortuig hy is nie soos die ander Brakpan mense nie :eek7: :lol8:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 12, 2016, 03:10:14 pm
Sorry AUNTIE  :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on September 13, 2016, 07:25:05 am
Kobus!!!

 :imaposer:
ek het getik die hond het my aan die been gebyt, nou lees hy bal :biggrin:
dan wil hy my oortuig hy is nie soos die ander Brakpan mense nie :eek7: :lol8:

Watse ander brakpan mense?! Hy is die ergste hier rond!  :deal: :imaposer: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 13, 2016, 07:56:00 am
Hey... moet ek vir die mense wys hoe wheelie jy 'n scooter ?????? So sjarrup en gaan werk daar anderkant die spoor. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 22, 2016, 07:52:13 am
So after a FURSTRATING 3 weeks trying to work mostly alone and with the wrong material I could not take it anymore.
I was cutting and re-welding so much that the first frame looked like it came out of WW2.
BUT !!!! I got to grips with the dimensions, the mounting points etc, so all in all a learning curve towards the end goal.

Decide to take a day's leave on Tuesday.

Scrapped the first frame.  Chuck it in the back of the Condor with some other bits of steel lying around and dumped it at the scrap dealears.
This was a first for me and when I got R 80.00 for the scrap, I was happy.

Off to the steel place and bought 38 x 38 x 3 SQ tubing
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on September 22, 2016, 07:57:30 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 22, 2016, 07:57:57 am
First try was building the frame FROM the bike side.
Now I know more or less where the mounting points were, I started the new frame from the sidecar side.
All I had to look out for was the mounting of the wheel to make sure that it fits inside of the mudguard.
Went and bought 4 x 20mm rosejoints for the swingarm and the connection to the bike.

My welding also improved as it is much easier to weld a flat surface than around a pipe.

Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 22, 2016, 08:08:47 am
All went so well that I was on a roll and decided to take another day on Wednesday.
So in 2 days I got my rolling chassis attached to the bike and was doing a test ride with it.
Now to make some corner joints to strengthen the whole lot.
I also have to work on the bike mounting to make it a strong structure.
Then do the tabs for the rubber mountings to attach the tub.
And lastly connect the brake pedal and wiring.
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Post by: Tom van Brits on September 22, 2016, 05:32:34 pm
Mooi so!! Ek gaan volg jaar kom toets ry!!

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 26, 2016, 08:00:10 am
Wat ek nou wil weet... jy kan nog steeds gly en val. Wat dan van die sidecar ?
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 26, 2016, 08:12:34 am
Wel daar het ek ook 'n plan "B"
Ek beplan om hom ook 'n arm te gee wat hom SOLID maak.  Die arm kan ek afhaal en dan SWIVEL ry 90% van die tyd.
As ek Dorsland se plaaspad aandurf gaan die brace op en ek kan nie omval nie.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 26, 2016, 08:16:49 am
Sit bietjie daai video op asb.  Kan nie video posit nie....gestremd... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on September 26, 2016, 08:22:29 am
Ek laaik wat ek sien.  Geweet jy sal hom kan bou.  Mooi so Woody.   :thumleft:  :thumleft:

Het jy hom al ooppad toe gevat.  Sal graag wil weet wat maak hy op spoed.   
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 26, 2016, 08:27:48 am
Sit bietjie daai video op asb.  Kan nie video posit nie....gestremd... :imaposer:

Sal prober. Did wat ek gewonder het. Of jy 'n stabilizer gaan aansit. Ek neem aan as jy in die reën of sand ry en onverwags gly, leer jy maar net om hom vining te connect voor jy val  :lol8:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 26, 2016, 08:31:34 am
Test ride https://www.facebook.com/kobus.joubert.5/videos/vb.100001729442432/1155957117805259/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/kobus.joubert.5/videos/vb.100001729442432/1155957117805259/?type=2&theater)

Maar ek kry nie die link om te werk nie.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 26, 2016, 08:39:50 am
Ek laaik wat ek sien.  Geweet jy sal hom kan bou.  Mooi so Woody.   :thumleft:  :thumleft:

Het jy hom al ooppad toe gevat.  Sal graag wil weet wat maak hy op spoed.   

Haar so amper 80 km/h in die straat af gevat.
Wil eers die res van die frame verstewig voordat ek vinniger gaan.

Gl nie jy kan daai FB link net so laai nie.  Dink jy moet hom op Youtube eers save en dan laai.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 26, 2016, 08:47:30 am
Ek lees hierdie thread, en dis n raam, en n raam, en dit bly by n raam, en toe sommer all of a plotseling, so n pragtige wit karretjie!!

Mooi Woody! Ek is kwaai nuuskierig om te hoor hoe die hele opset hanteer.
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 26, 2016, 08:51:58 am
So this weekend I managed to get most of the work done and test-drive the rig.

Just sitting still and lean to the left, you can see the sidecar turning LEFT.
When you lean to the right you see the sidecar turning right.

It does the slalom like a Swiss champ.!  :laughing4:

Made 2 dolly wheels to fit to the frame. Now it is easy to dethatch the sidecar by myself.

Will do the final bracing next weekend and also fit the brake master cylinder and wiring..
Dan gaan ons ry pappie.  :ricky:




Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 26, 2016, 05:55:35 pm
Ok so here is the video...
https://www.youtube.com/v/kcrPwC0_v3M
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Black_Hawk on September 26, 2016, 07:41:44 pm
Well done on your progress this far  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 26, 2016, 08:49:17 pm
Kan nou nie van die begin af onthou nie... is die nou 'n bewese en getoetsde sidecar model (dat jy net jou specs aangepas het) of is jy nou besig om die wiel te herontwerp ?
Title: Re: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on September 26, 2016, 10:48:29 pm
Kan nou nie van die begin af onthou nie... is die nou 'n bewese en getoetsde sidecar model (dat jy net jou specs aangepas het) of is jy nou besig om die wiel te herontwerp ?
Soos ek verstaan is dit hoe die Duitsers hul side cars bou en Woody1 het geleer en presteer :) Ek het n idee die outjie is baie makliker hanteerbaar as die tradisionele sidecar

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Title: Re: Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 27, 2016, 06:55:50 am
Ja ek het bietjie ge Google.  Nou is ek die EXPERT  :pot: :peepwall: :imaposer:

Die idee van die Germane gesteel.
Moes maar self uitfigure waar om die mounting points te maak op die fiets.

Basies kom dit daarop neer dat jou mounting punte in die middle van die motorfiets moet wees.
Volgend stap is dat die voorste punt hoer moet wees as die agterste.
Dus as jy link leun stoot die voorste arm verder uit na links en DRAAI die karretjie links.
Dieselfde vir regs leun.  Daai voorste punt trek die karretjie na regs.

Maklik.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 27, 2016, 12:38:30 pm
Anybody with STEERING DAMPER experience please give me some ideas as to what is possible.

Now with the swivel action done on the sidecar, I was thinking of putting on a top brace that can be installed when riding mud or sand so that I cannot fall over.
This will be taken out completely when normal roads are available. so that I can enjoy the ride.

But instead of having a SOLID arm between the sidecar and the bike, why would a steering type damper not work.
I need something that sits in the middle of the travel.
When I lean left it will allow me to tilt the bike up to a certain point.
Same with the right tilt. Allow tilt until a max angle is reached.
Where can I buy, borrow, steal such a steering type damper.
It is not much movement that I need.
I tested it and about 12 degrees tilt is adequate for normal riding.

Thank's waiting to hear from the experts...or the people that are not afraid to experiment. :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 27, 2016, 12:43:47 pm
Who has something like this lying around?
Was thinking of a gas strut... but they are either open or close.
So it must be something like this and even better when I can adjust the tension.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on September 27, 2016, 01:10:17 pm
Uncle K
 ga kuier vir die manne by Bike Hospital en die ander BikeScrap manne da in jou vally

die suzuki tl1000 en die Honda VFR het so tipe steering damper mee uitgekom seker jy ga regkom da  :ricky:

nuwe een gan jou n paar duisend rand ruk
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: DeepBass9 on September 27, 2016, 01:14:30 pm
Just a suggestion, but you might like to weld some diagonals into the frame as triangles are rigid and can't flex, while squares can become rhombus's when you least need it.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 27, 2016, 01:17:05 pm
Who has something like this lying around?
Was thinking of a gas strut... but they are either open or close.
So it must be something like this and even better when I can adjust the tension.
My bakkie se canopy se klap het twee sulke jacks by Midas gekoop, nogal Gabriel............................seker te flou? ;) >:D
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Groenie on September 27, 2016, 02:31:43 pm
Jy kan daai canopy struts laat "tune". Hulle kan die resistance stel.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 27, 2016, 02:53:57 pm
Just a suggestion, but you might like to weld some diagonals into the frame as triangles are rigid and can't flex, while squares can become rhombus's when you least need it.

Noted and still on the list to do.  This weekend the bracing will be done that is why I have not taken it out on the open road yet.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 27, 2016, 02:55:13 pm
Struts gaan nie werk nie.  Hy moet DEUR kan beweeg met spanning wat jy kan verstel.... VERTAAN JULLE BOERE NIE.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on September 27, 2016, 03:12:14 pm
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Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on September 28, 2016, 09:04:05 pm
Baie solid front axle 4x4's het 'n shock vir 'n steering damper, kyk dalk watse spec is daardie shock....
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 28, 2016, 09:20:02 pm
Dankie. Pel van my in Slaapstad het my ook vertel. Gaan more gou Koni toe.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Groenie on September 29, 2016, 08:45:03 am
Van die ou beetles het ook so 'n damper gehad
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 29, 2016, 09:20:44 am
Van die ou beetles het ook so 'n damper gehad

Vertel meer asb.  Foto as dit kan.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on September 29, 2016, 10:50:21 am
Mens moet ook altyd help soek  :biggrin:

https://www.olx.co.za/ad/ohlins-steering-damper-ID15L7tN.html#d728f0b356 (https://www.olx.co.za/ad/ohlins-steering-damper-ID15L7tN.html#d728f0b356)

https://www.olx.co.za/ad/gsxr-600-steering-damper-ID161dSB.html#d728f0b356 (https://www.olx.co.za/ad/gsxr-600-steering-damper-ID161dSB.html#d728f0b356)

https://www.olx.co.za/ad/vw-beetle-steering-damper-second-hand-and-new-ID15YTt7.html#d728f0b356 (https://www.olx.co.za/ad/vw-beetle-steering-damper-second-hand-and-new-ID15YTt7.html#d728f0b356)

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycle-accessories-styling/green-point-waterfront/new-bmw-steering-damper/1001775498230910412621209 (https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-motorcycle-accessories-styling/green-point-waterfront/new-bmw-steering-damper/1001775498230910412621209)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 29, 2016, 12:04:09 pm
Ou Zettie... duidelik verstaan jy nie die Suinige Dutchman nie.
Nr 1,2 en 4 is uit soos koekies in die weeshuis.
Te duur
Te duur en
BMW..... fok is jy MAL !!!!

Nou daai steering damper vir die Volla kan dalk werk.
Het uitgeving hulle is so 400 lank uitgerek en 300 ingetrek.

Kan hom DALK maak pas.... net jammer sy damping is nie verstelbaar nie, maar laat ons kyk.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 29, 2016, 12:19:35 pm
Woody vind bietjie by die lorriemanne uit. Alle groot sleepercab lorries het n shockerdampner vir die cab. Dalk kan so iets werk.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 1ougat on September 29, 2016, 12:36:41 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 29, 2016, 12:56:18 pm
Dankie Chris.

Het 'n VW een laat optel by Volkspares.  Sal hom vanaand he en more middag en Saterdag kyk hoe kan ek hom fit en of hy doen wat ek wil.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 30, 2016, 06:43:04 pm
Neem 'n foto waar jy sit op die bike dat ek kan sien waar daai stabilizer jou maarmerrie gaan afslaan  :patch:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 30, 2016, 07:11:48 pm
Moenie worrie nie. Het hom getoets. Mis hom by myle
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on September 30, 2016, 07:16:33 pm
Die ding worry my... nou verstaan ek hoe die mense gevoel het toe hulle die eerste kee :eek7: 'n kar by hulle sien verby ry het  :lol8: WTF  :eek7:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on September 30, 2016, 09:14:18 pm
 :3some:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 02, 2016, 07:31:57 am
Worked my arse off yesterday.
Had a chap come around that needed some CNC work.  Finished after 12 with him. Luckily I started at 06h30 on the sidecar and when he arrived at 09h00 I akready had a lot done.

By 17h30 I was finished.
Ever corner and joint strengthened.
Everything painted with QD red oxide and the first layer of bakkie liner gunge put on.
Went for a testdrive.

Very very happy.  Now to sort out the brakes and do the wiring.

We are off to the CMC for a brekkie with the Pensioneater as the "MONKEY"  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on October 02, 2016, 08:15:20 am
Nou wat dan van nog n foto of 2?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on October 02, 2016, 08:48:30 am
Nou wat dan van nog n foto of 2?

Jy dink en lees ook nie lekker nie, het jy nie gelees 17H30 het die man tools neer gesit nie, dan is die laaste ding waaraan 'n Brakpanner dink 'n kamera, dit is die tyd waneer hulle aan Tops se vooraad begin werk.  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 02, 2016, 10:28:22 am
Sukkel met selfies.

Terug van die club, en groot smile op die bakkies.
140 maklik en STABIEL op die highway.

Maar sal dit maar hou by 120 max...RELAXING !!!
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on October 02, 2016, 10:58:19 am
Sukkel met selfies.

Terug van die club, en groot smile op die bakkies.
140 maklik en STABIEL op die highway.

Maar sal dit maar hou by 120 max...RELAXING !!!

Hoop nie my onskuldige skoon ma was in die gedoente toe jy 140 gery het nie.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 02, 2016, 11:27:50 am
Nee. Pierre was die monkey
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 02, 2016, 11:35:09 am
Mooi daai klink mos nou vir my reg. N sidecar wat stabiel 129 kan ry. Dis mos wat n mens soek!

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Post by: VaalBaas on October 02, 2016, 02:56:50 pm
Julle sorg darem maar altyd vir n smile op mens se gesug

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Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 08:07:19 am
Some pictures

I received this TRUCK light and also a set of indicators to fit to the sidecar.

Was thinking of finding a light this size with indicator, lights and brake light all in one.
For the front indicator I am thinking to fit a rear view mirror on the sidecar WITH a indicator in the back.

Then this weekend I will finish the bike frame and paint it up and work on the sidecar brake pedal.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 09:44:21 am
 :ricky: Wat kos daai damper toe ?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 09:52:15 am
R 540.00
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 10:00:36 am
 :thumleft: Jy nou tevrede met die Handling en performance ?
watse plan gaan jy met die Briek maak ?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 10:03:47 am
BAIE tevrede.  Het haar lekker gestoot op die highway gister sonder problem.
Wegtrek het sy die neighing om LINKS te wil gaan maar dis normal omdat die karretjie nog stilstaan en die bike begin beweeg.  Maar so 'n bietjie regs leun en sy ry waar ek wil he sy moet.

Gaan 'n briek pedal aan die karretjie sit in lyn met my gear lever.
AS ek hom nodig het is dit voet links draai en daai pedal raak.....LIGGIES. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 10:07:50 am
 :spitcoffee: Iewers is n ou in Namibie wat ook so karretje gebou het met dieselle idee van 2 briek pedals
sal die fred soek en vir jou stuur

Baie bly die karretjie stuur lekker en jou somme was toe reg
 :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 10:12:01 am
Gaan ook nog 'n SOLID stang maak wat ek in daai damper se plek kan insit.....een uit ander in as ek sien daar is 'n modderpad of ek weet ek gaan dik sand ry.
Ek het laaaankal al 2 rose joints gekoop...een met LH draad en een met RH draad.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Andre E on October 03, 2016, 10:45:06 am
Jy het nie miskien oorweeg om 'n stang saam met die damper te mount nie. Op sy een kant moet hy in 'n gleuf beweeg wat jou 'n sekere hoeveelheid leun gee voor hy stop. Kan moontlik hom permanent oplos dan kan jy oorlę maar net tot op 'n punt voor hy jou stop.

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Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 10:49:41 am
Het daaraan gedink Andre, maar dit is nie wat ek wil he in 'n modderbad nie....dan moet hy stewig staan.
Sal hom so maak dat dit 5 minute sal wees om die 2 om te ruil.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 11:21:05 am
Gelukkig is my sidecar baie meer stabile.

 :imaposer:

Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 11:26:42 am
Maak dit jou nuwe avatar ha ha ha ha  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 03, 2016, 12:35:21 pm
Iets wat jy ook moet onthou is jou sidecar is nou 'n 'los' vlerk wat langs jou vlieg, so kyk dat hy reg ge-trim is dat hy down fors op hom het.

Mens weet nooit wat 'n rukwind aan hom sal doen as bv 'n trok by jou verby kom nie. Met 'n vaste sidecar moet die weerstand van die bike ook oorkom word, wat jy nie sal hę nie.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 12:38:43 pm
Uncle G het vergeet die uncle K is mos van Brakpan se manne da is lankal n Ford Drukvlerk gekoop en Gecrome  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 03, 2016, 12:44:08 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on October 03, 2016, 01:03:38 pm
Iets wat jy ook moet onthou is jou sidecar is nou 'n 'los' vlerk wat langs jou vlieg, so kyk dat hy reg ge-trim is dat hy down fors op hom het.

Mens weet nooit wat 'n rukwind aan hom sal doen as bv 'n trok by jou verby kom nie. Met 'n vaste sidecar moet die weerstand van die bike ook oorkom word, wat jy nie sal hę nie.

Ek moet sę ek het gister agter hom aan gery en selfs op spoed kan daai ding deur dips en als gaan sonder om eers te lyk of hy wil optel of onstabiel raak, wind was ook nogals sterk en als het nogsteeds baie mooi saam gewerk...
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on October 03, 2016, 01:05:00 pm
Uncle G het vergeet die uncle K is mos van Brakpan se manne da is lankal n Ford Drukvlerk gekoop en Gecrome  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:

Dis hoekom hy die tafeltjie idee gekies het vir die sidecar, dit lyk vir hom soos 'n racing bootspoiler!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 02:03:22 pm
Kom Frankie vertel die ooms van my EMERGENCY briek en hoe die rook op die bande gestaan het en hoe stabile hy was.

Gee ook jou indrukke van toe jy in die karretjie gery het...al was dit net om Germiston meer. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on October 03, 2016, 02:13:11 pm
 :imaposer: Kyk ek het vir sy part gebriek toe daai kar teen 40 voor ons op die highway inkom!!! S10 het so ligte rokie uit die tyre geggooi en steeds betyds gestop sonder om enigsins te skuif of gly of enige iets nie!

My gat het toe gejeuk want ek was nog nooit in 'n sidecar nie, toe moes hy maar net my om die blok vat! Dis heel gemaklik in daai karretjie, en dit voel nie of hy sal breuk of uitmekaar uit moer nie!  :imaposer:

Weereens well done!! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 02:16:47 pm
Ja daai Fokker op die highway het ek HEELTEMAL onderskat.. maar dit was 'n goeie toets gewees.... en dit sonder die sidecar se briek.
Wys jou net hoe goed die Yamaha is.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 02:17:58 pm
Eendag as jy nie meer wheelies pop elke 100 meter nie dan kan jy haar bestuur.  :peepwall: :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 02:28:38 pm
Just back from a shopping spree.

I received 2 x flickers with normal globes from Keith when I purchased the tub.

I am afraid that these thing will draw to much current and I do not like one in the front and one on the back.
So I phoned Startline this morning. Universal rear view mirror with LED flicker R 438.00.
Got there looked at it, liked it and the chap charged me R 384.00 only.

Got to Autozone ...see they have a special on those round LED trailer lamps.  Again the one I got with the sidecar was only light and brake light.
The new one is Light, brake light and indicator.  R 275.00.

Also got some trailer plug and socket and some wire..... vanaand trek ons draad. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 02:30:20 pm
This one
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 02:54:50 pm
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 03, 2016, 03:27:30 pm
Ek is baie beindruk, welgedaan baas Kobus!!  :laughing4: :thumleft:

PS: Lekker draad trek  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 03, 2016, 03:41:55 pm
Gaan 'n briek pedal aan die karretjie sit in lyn met my gear lever.
AS ek hom nodig het is dit voet links draai en daai pedal raak.....LIGGIES.

terwyl jy nou op volspoed is sit sommer n exhaust brake ook op. :deal: ;) >:D
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on October 03, 2016, 03:43:12 pm
Gaan 'n briek pedal aan die karretjie sit in lyn met my gear lever.
AS ek hom nodig het is dit voet links draai en daai pedal raak.....LIGGIES.

terwyl jy nou op volspoed is sit sommer n exhaust brake ook op. :deal: ;) >:D

 :laughing4:  :laughing4:   :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 03, 2016, 03:45:05 pm
Dan klink jy so as jy inkom vir n stop. Cool né? >:D :peepwall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ArkI0VPL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ArkI0VPL0)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 03, 2016, 03:58:35 pm
Ek ek BLY in Brakpan ek is nie hier gebore nie........ :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on October 03, 2016, 04:22:36 pm
 :lol8: Aiman dis lekker in Brakpan
Uncle moet tog nou n foto opsit van jou gecromede MAGS
EN DIE Cortina DRUKVLERK  :lamer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: madmike999 on October 04, 2016, 09:06:14 am
 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 04, 2016, 09:15:25 am
Just back from a shopping spree.

I received 2 x flickers with normal globes from Keith when I purchased the tub.

I am afraid that these thing will draw to much current and I do not like one in the front and one on the back.
So I phoned Startline this morning. Universal rear view mirror with LED flicker R 438.00.
Got there looked at it, liked it and the chap charged me R 384.00 only.

Got to Autozone ...see they have a special on those round LED trailer lamps.  Again the one I got with the sidecar was only light and brake light.
The new one is Light, brake light and indicator.  R 275.00.

Also got some trailer plug and socket and some wire..... vanaand trek ons draad. :imaposer:

Ag lekker man... ek en Schaun sal jou join vanaand. Moet ons facetime ?  :lol8:

Ek gebruik die ligte
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 04, 2016, 09:18:59 am
Wat kos daai LED cluster ?  Gaan jy 2 posit ?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 04, 2016, 09:24:30 am
Wat kos daai LED cluster ?  Gaan jy 2 posit ?

Ja, bietjie bleddie duur. Dink dit was so by R350.00 vir een. Daai pakkie goed wat jy daar sien, saam die draad, was so R900.00.

Koste vir die treiler sal so by R3.5k wees. Nie sleg nie.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 04, 2016, 09:33:55 am
Gister by Autozone daai ronde cluster opgetel op special.. R 276.00.  Want die karretjie het al klaar 'n ronde gat gehad.

My compleet rig sover is onder R 20 000.00 en dit sluit my nuwe MIG welder in. :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Dawid S on October 04, 2016, 12:43:30 pm
Woody

IMHO

Ek het 'n bietjie ondervinding van yster werk.
Ek is glad nie lief vir square tubing nie. Dit is baie geneig om op weld laste te kraak. Die verhitting van die staal maak die metaal op die sweislas harder en kraak op die laste.
Ek sal 'n diagonal versterking in sit van regs-voor na die wiel. Dit sal die torque verminder wat die raam sal skeef trek as jy rem.
Die twee hoekysters wat die bike regop hou SAL die square tubing waar op hulle staan torque en teen hoe spoed 'n wobble veroorsaak.
Dit moet 'n support kry van die anderkant van die raam.
http://www.moturist.nl/formula.html (http://www.moturist.nl/formula.html)   Kyk hier na die LEAD, TOE IN en LEAN OUT.
Avidride het 'n goeie bespreeking : http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/sidecar-design-formula-important.468196/ (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/sidecar-design-formula-important.468196/) 
Ek dink ronde pyp sal 'n baie beter idee gewees het.
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=sidecar+frame&biw=1366&bih=622&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnubi66MDPAhUGQyYKHS_fDa8QsAQIGQ#imgrc=_ (https://www.google.co.za/search?q=sidecar+frame&biw=1366&bih=622&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnubi66MDPAhUGQyYKHS_fDa8QsAQIGQ#imgrc=_) 
Al hoewel jy supports op die hoeke van die raam in gesit het sal hulle nog steeds kraak op die sweis laste.
Die briek op die sidecar sal ek 'n loadsensor op sit om die briek krag te verminder as hy gelaai is anders gaan daar die wiel vas slaan met 'n vrag en moeilikheid maak. Kyk na Ural of hulle nie so iets gebruik nie.
Die raam se step na die bike is ook nie vir my goed nie. Ek vermoed dit sal nie die  toets deur staan nie.
Laai 100Kg in die side car en gaan ry hom op slegte sinkplaat pad om hom te toets.

Beskou asb hierdie as op bouende kritiek.
IMHO
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 04, 2016, 01:09:46 pm
Dawid S sover ek weet is die wand dikte 3mm van daai squire tubing wat dit baie sterker maak as konvensionele 1.6mm

Ek het ook baie jare se ondervinding in staal en het oa n sleepwaentjie gebou met 38mm x 3mm en dit het nooit gekraak nie. Ek het hom spesiaal nie ander behandeling gegee as rooi oksied om n oog te hou op die sweis laste. Sodra jy opgaan na 3mm dikte is dit n ander storie in my oe en is dit net sowel jy seis 3mm flatbar. Sodra jou penetrasie reg is, kan ek nie n probleem sien nie. Ek weetnie op watter amp's Woody1 gesweis het nie maar ek sou bv met n gewone inverter op om en by 100amp gesweis het. Mens kan sien as jy goeie penetrasie tog kry. Onthou die 'kar body' self is geheg op 4 punte en dien dieselfde doel as die cross member wat jy voorstel. Maar ok....ek verstaan jy is concern en tereg, ek glo egter Kobus (soos ek hom ken) sal goed gesweis het. Ek moet ook byvoeg.....ek het BAIE ronde pyp vir manne gesny en n dunner diameter ingesit en weer gesweis oa n KLR frame asook n XTR660
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 04, 2016, 01:16:57 pm
Dankie David.  Ja ek het begin met ronde pyp, maar dit was vir my moeilik om te sweis... mooi te sweis en ek het nie vertroue in dit gehad nie en daarom het ek to sq tubing gebruik.

Jy moet onthou dat hierdie nie 'n normale sidecar is nie en toe-in etc het nie so 'n groot invloed op die hantering nie....dit het ek al bewys met die toetsrit.
As ek hom wel SOLID maak gaan dit 'n factor speel en dit sal ek uitsort as ek daar kom.  Ek het verstellings punte wat ek toe-in / out en leaning kan stel.

Ek weet die STEPS is nie PERFEK nie, maar weereens is hierdie nie die NORMAL sidecar nie.  Met die SWIVEL aksie moet jou voorste mounting hoer wees as die agterste mounting sodat wanner jy LINKS lean die voorste stang die karretjie na links uitstoot en dus draai die karretjie se wiel automaties na links.

Ook wanneer jy regs lean TREK daai stang die karretjie na regs en help met die draai aksie van die gedoente.

Daai 2 upright hoekysters is op die oomblik net goed vir die DAMPER, dus is daar nie baie stremming op nie.  As ek wel dieselfde punt as 'n brace wil gebruik om hom SOLID te maak sal ek hom moet aanpas.

Dus se jy dat alhoewel ek 25mm x 3 mm dik flat bar diagonal oor my hoeke het dit nie goed genoeg is nie.?
Wat stel jy voor.

Ek het gevra vir hulp maar niemand wou my help nie.  As jy kan kom kuier en jy kan lekker sweis dan bou ons sommer nog een. :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 04, 2016, 01:20:36 pm
Nog 'n ding,  dis alles 3mm dik staal en ek het deurlopend 4mm rods gegooi... volgens my meer as 100 amp. 
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: badballie on October 04, 2016, 02:44:56 pm
 :thumleft: :happy1:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on October 04, 2016, 05:04:10 pm
Woody,

Ek is geneig om saam te stem met die opbouende kritiek soos hierbo te verduidelik. Toe ek myne gebou het , het ek alles uit schedule 10 Stainless 316 L pyp gedoen.(meesal vir die feit dat selfs jou tande se stopsels ook roes in Walvisbaai.) My voorstel sal wees dat jy na elke groot trip die sweislaste goed check vir krake ens. Jy kan 'n eenvoudige Liquid Dye Penetrant kit by Afrox kry wat nie te duur is nie. Dit sal jou enige krake uitwys. Jy kan natuurlik gaan ook vir Magnetic Particle Inspection maar dan sal jy een of ander professionele maatskappy moet kry om dit te doen.

In my geval het ek alles heeltemaal star gemaak en moes dus in ag neem dat daar meer krag sal inwerk op die struktuur. Ek het nou so om en by 12000km gedoen met die rig in totaal 90% grondpad en sover het ek nog net nou die dag die boonste voorste Rose joint vervang.Daar was 'n klein bietjie speling in die bearing. Ek is heel teverede daarmee. Nie dat ek dit vooraf geweet het nie maar dit is blykbaar die punt wat die meeste punch vat op my rig.

Ek laai gereeld 150 plus kg in die karretjie sonder veel issues. Ek het uitgevind met baie prober en tref dat jou gewigs verspreiding , die toe in setup en die hoek waarteen die fiets wegleun van die karretjie nogal 'n groot rol speel.

As jy meer inligting soek of sommer net wil chat hieroor PM my of e-mail by martin@dormac.net

Sterkte met die ligte. Dit het my omtrent ses maande gevat om al die lektricks uit te sort en die kabels te route voor ek heeltemaal tevrede was. Kan vir jou se dat ek nooit spyt sal wees dat ek die roete gekies het nie. Ek geniet my rig gate uit! Natuurlik het ek die voordeel dat ek binne tien km 800km se grondpad het om te ry enige tyd van die dag of nag!

Sterkete en geniet dit!!
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Dawid S on October 04, 2016, 06:56:30 pm
"wand dikte 3mm " Maak 'n groot verskil het nie raak gelees nie. (kyk net prenties)
Ek sal graag die diagonal " brace" in sit van die voorste " step" na die wiel.

Oorlede Pa het 'n Harley 1942 ek dink gehad met die sidecar. Die ding was goed versterk. Hy het dit baie geniet om die sidecar op te lig met passesiers in. Die is nog steeds by Ma op die plaas in 100% lopende toestand.
Ek voel dat die bike dalk geneig sal wees om na regs te gaan le as jy teen lae spoed (20-30km) links draai en dan sal hang aan die damper.
Voorspoed met die planne.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 04, 2016, 07:52:27 pm
Ek stem met die diagonale brace al is dit net die eerste deel van die driehoek van die voorte hegpunt op die motorfiets tot op die raam van die karretjie. Ek kan regtig nie insien as die welding goed is dat 3mm tube sal kraak nie. Soos jy tereg saamstem Dawid, dit maak n groot verskil. As die welding goed is is daar nie rede vir kommer nie. Om die karretjie absoluut te 'over engineer' sou maklik wees en kan 'lig' gedoen word'. Sit n checkered alu plaat van 3mm oor die hele frame....onder of bo en dan bout die tub steeds vas op sy oorspronlike hegpunte...Dis nou as mens regtig paranoius was....dit sal egter alle worries op die agtergrond skuif. Verstaan wat ek meen? 
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 04, 2016, 08:42:36 pm
Dankie manne vir die inputs. Ek sal email en chat.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on October 04, 2016, 09:28:20 pm
Ek weet die STEPS is nie PERFEK nie, maar weereens is hierdie nie die NORMAL sidecar nie.  Met die SWIVEL aksie moet jou voorste mounting hoer wees as die agterste mounting sodat wanner jy LINKS lean die voorste stang die karretjie na links uitstoot en dus draai die karretjie se wiel automaties na links.

Ook wanneer jy regs lean TREK daai stang die karretjie na regs en help met die draai aksie van die gedoente.

Sit hierdie getrekery nie baie groot kragte op die raam en daai 'steps' nie?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 07:03:23 am
Ek wonder of dit meer of minder stremming opsit.

Ek is geen ingeneur nie en miskien kan ons geleerdes hier inspring en verduidelik.

Kom ons kyk dit so:

Op 'n FIXED sidecar is die stremming op die bike frame dalk meer omdat die bike die hele karretjie in 'n rigting moet FORCE.
Op die swivel sidecar het jy 'n hoeveelheiod stremming aan die begin van die links of regs draai, maar sodra hy in daai rigting beweeg is die karretjie se wiel gedraai (klein bietjie toe-in of toe-out)...nou draai die spul makliker.

Ek het fixed sidecars gesien die karretjie wiel SKUIF en nie draai nie.

So laat ons hoor of ek reg dink of lekker droom.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: corne.l on October 05, 2016, 07:20:02 am
kan mens dan nie soort van 'n "power steering" kontraption bou wat die kar wiel daai initial rigting change kan help nie?

Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 07:37:55 am
Nee wat, ek dink dit is veels te ingewikkeld.
Hierdie voorste stang wat so 150mm hoer is as die agterste stang sorg dat as die bike begin le die voorkant links uitgestoot word as jy links le en die karretjie regs trek as jy regs le.

Weet nie hoe jy 'n POWER STEERING kontrepsie hier sal kan aansit nie.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on October 05, 2016, 08:22:51 am
Kom ons kyk dit so:

Op 'n FIXED sidecar is die stremming op die bike frame dalk meer omdat die bike die hele karretjie in 'n rigting moet FORCE.
Op die swivel sidecar het jy 'n hoeveelheiod stremming aan die begin van die links of regs draai, maar sodra hy in daai rigting beweeg is die karretjie se wiel gedraai (klein bietjie toe-in of toe-out)...nou draai die spul makliker.

Thanks dit maak dit meer duidelik.

Vir my klink die kragte soortgelyk. Met altwee trek of stoot jy die voorste deel van die raam en probeer die karretjie om n punt swaai. Nie een klink idiaal nie maar tog werk die karretjies fine.

Daai step op die voorste stang (soos hierbo genoem) willie saam met my ocd saamwerk nie. Sou self dalk n plaat aan weerskante of gussets inweld dat die kragte nie so dwars op die sweis nate in die hoeke inwerk nie.

PS. Ek hou van jou hele konsep. Is dit iets nuuts of wysiging van bestaande konsep. (Sorry het nie hele thread gelees nie)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 08:37:46 am
Ek het baie gussets ingesweis oor al die laste...25mm flat bar 5 mm dik.... ook weerskante van elke las.

Hier is die Duitse site... hulle frames lyk baie ligter as myne lyk my.

http://www.kalich.de/Schwenker/schwenker.html (http://www.kalich.de/Schwenker/schwenker.html)

Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 08:39:55 am
As ek maar kon verstaan wat hulle daar se was dit miskien baie makliker gewees. :laughing4:

Maar ek glo ook nie hulle gooi baie tegniese info daar uit nie.  Weet nie... kyk maar net prentjies.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on October 05, 2016, 09:24:54 am
Ek het baie gussets ingesweis oor al die laste...25mm flat bar 5 mm dik.... ook weerskante van elke las.

Hier is die Duitse site... hulle frames lyk baie ligter as myne lyk my.

http://www.kalich.de/Schwenker/schwenker.html (http://www.kalich.de/Schwenker/schwenker.html)

Ek sien nou al die gussets.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=197277.0;attach=504939;image)


Schwenker (https://translate.google.co.za/translate?sl=auto&tl=af&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kalich.de%2FSchwenker%2Fschwenker.html&edit-text=&act=url)  Die afrikaanse vertaling klink snaaks.  ;D

Cool karretjies
(http://www.kalich.de/Schwenker/K800_11-demontierter-swing.jpg)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 09:45:19 am
So lyk dit nou meer aanvaarbaar ?
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on October 05, 2016, 09:56:54 am
Nie dat dit nie aanvaarbaar was nie maar nou sien ek dit lyk dat die 'steps' of die kragte deur die gussets van bo na onder oorgedra word.
Sou help as ek vroeer 'n paar bladsy terug gekyk het.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 10:06:04 am
 :imaposer:
hoe se hulle      lees en presteer. :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 05, 2016, 11:28:13 am
Daai Duits vertaal is losweg... ! Xi ! Xom ! Kak  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 11:28:51 am
'n GROOT ene :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 05, 2016, 01:05:26 pm
As jy die driehoek insit sou ek se dat jy die voorst 'bar' ampet 50% versterk en dan mag jy n punt he om jou steering damper ook op te verster...
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 05, 2016, 01:08:10 pm
MAW sou jy enige skielike stremming kry soos die sidecar se wiel deur dik sand en swaar gelaai sal daardie bar nie kan buig nie maar die energie versprei...
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 05, 2016, 01:29:52 pm
Amper nie jou SWART lyn gesien nie..... :imaposer:

Seker ek sal so iets kan inpas daar. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 05, 2016, 01:39:21 pm
Amper nie jou SWART lyn gesien nie..... :imaposer:

Seker ek sal so iets kan inpas daar. :thumleft:

Ek en computers  :peepwall:
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Humfree on October 08, 2016, 10:57:09 am
Hi Woody

Ek lees nou eers die thread van jou. Fantasties man fantasties!! Dis nou regtig lekker dat iemand hier by ons nou n expert is op "Leaners" Ek sal baie graag jou rig wil sien en graag n draai ry om die verskil te voel tusen die gewone fixed sidecar en die leaner ...
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Laat weet as julle dalk in die Hartebeespoort omgewing kom...
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 08, 2016, 03:03:35 pm
Nee wat EXPERT is ek beslis nie.

Maar met nog so 'n paar modifikasies sal ek gelukkig wees.

Jy moet hom maar hier in Brakpan kom ry.... ek gooi sommer my skoonma by in die deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koip7fLrlAI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koip7fLrlAI&feature=youtu.be)

Video is ek, vrou en skoonma oppad van 'n draai ry.

Ons het hom goed gelaai vandag.

My seun en ek is nie klein nie, wel bietjie issue gehad met karretjie wiel wat teen shock bokant geskuur het, maar 'n 9mm wiel spacer en shok harder toe is hy reg.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 08, 2016, 03:11:10 pm
Voor flicker is truspieel en flikker.
Agter lig cluster is Tail, briek en flikker.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Black_Hawk on October 08, 2016, 03:14:55 pm
Welgedaan, lyk baie netjies  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Lew on October 09, 2016, 06:45:00 am
Baie baie nice Woody.Jy kan maar ou maat.Was al lankal hoogtyd vir n super 10 met n karretjie aan.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 09, 2016, 07:31:17 am
Se ek ook.

Dankie manne  :ricky:
Title: Re:
Post by: VaalBaas on October 09, 2016, 07:33:22 am
Baie netjiese job Woody
Geniet hom

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Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 02:34:40 pm
After a lekker weekend of getting to know the sidecar it is time to do the right thing and get the paperwork sorted.

Motorcycle WITHOUT sidecar is on the papers.

So I go down to my local registration office.

Good afternoon.  I would like to change my motorcycle registration paper from  motorcycle without sidecar to motorcycle WITH sidecar.

Eish !!! what is a sidecar.

Ooo fok hier kom kak.

Be calm... explain nicely but she still does not get it.

Ok a picture tells a thousand words in ANY language.

Eish.... that is nice.

So after a brief stint behind the counter to another office or two she returns.

No problem sir.

This is what you need:

1. NRW
2. Assessment letter
3. Copy of Registration paper
4. ID Book.

Ok so I assume the NRW is a Roadworthy certificate.

Ask about the nr2.... assessment letter.

Eish now I think you get it from the roadworthy center.

So I stop by my local roadworthy center.

Know the chap there.

Tells me the following:

Assessment letter is a letter signing off on the frame build.   Oo fork where will I get this ?
It must have a safety belt... no problem I can put one in.
But it must have yellow reflective tape around the whole sidecar.

I have never seen one with yellow tape.

So I come back to the office and phone the Dept of transport in Pretoria.

Ooooooo fork hier kom weer groot moeilikheid.

Sidecar.. Eish I don't know but try this number.  Give me the test station in Centurion.
I ask her why must I speak to THEM if you as Dept. of Transport should know all the answers.

Got put through to somebody but call gets lost.

So any dogs with connections to the RULES and REGULATIONS for sidecars is South Africa please give me the REAL answers.

Thank's
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 10, 2016, 02:47:59 pm
Chat met Kieth of Humfree.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 10, 2016, 02:49:22 pm
En jy dink jy het probleme... wag tot ek my trailer gaan probeer registreer... EISH ! Where is the other wheel ?  :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 02:50:06 pm
Keith is hopeloos.  Humfree kom in asseblief !  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 02:50:47 pm
En jy dink jy het probleme... wag tot ek my trailer gaan probeer registreer... EISH ! Where is the other wheel ?  :lol8:

And you want to load your WIFE in there !!!!!!!!!!! :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on October 10, 2016, 02:51:37 pm
Sterkte, Woody1, sterkte. 
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 10, 2016, 02:52:18 pm
En jy dink jy het probleme... wag tot ek my trailer gaan probeer registreer... EISH ! Where is the other wheel ?  :lol8:

And you want to load your WIFE in there !!!!!!!!!!! :imaposer:

Want die probleem is... 'n 'treiler' het twee wiele  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on October 10, 2016, 03:01:27 pm
Daai assesment brief is van die maatskappy wat die sidekar gebou het.   :eek7:   :o
Hulle moet geregistreer wees om sidekarre te bou.   :patch:
Dis 'n fokken lang storie.   :sip:
Jy beter jouself flippen gou registreer as 'n sidekar bouer.   :lol8: 

Alhoewel Lew wie ook in GP bly het nie moeilikheid gehad het nie.  Keith in die WC ook nie. 
Ons hier in die Oos Kaap het jare se poef gehad.    :deal:   ???   :dousing:


Maar sterkte.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:02:02 pm
Sterkte, Woody1, sterkte. 

Dankie Auntie... nou is dit my beurt.

Waar het julle so 'n ASSESMENT letter gekry of was dit nou weer anders vir julle gewees.
Weet julle het baie gesukkel.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:04:13 pm
Dankie Louis.

Die ondersoeker se ek kan probeer by 'n plek wat treilers bou.
Hulle kan hom uitkyk en afteken reken hy.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:06:12 pm
Hier was mos mense wat treilers bou op WD.

Name kontakte asb.  Laat ek met die manne gesels asb.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 10, 2016, 03:11:59 pm
ozborne www.xfactorsport.co.za (http://www.xfactorsport.co.za) Laat weet my wat sę hy oor die proses, want ek gaan ook so papier nodig hę
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:14:58 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:25:55 pm
Jy sal moet kom kuier met jou kruiwa pappie.

Oz gebel.. nice ou.  My storie vertel en afgespreek om sidecar na hom te vat vir inspeksie.
Hy is geregistreer by Dept of Transport vir treilerbou.

So sal dit probeer en sien of registrasie met sy sertifikaat kan werk.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on October 10, 2016, 03:30:13 pm
Sterkte, Woody1, sterkte. 

Dankie Auntie... nou is dit my beurt.

Waar het julle so 'n ASSESMENT letter gekry of was dit nou weer anders vir julle gewees.
Weet julle het baie gesukkel.

Do'nt ask questions and hear no lies.   :biggrin:  

Sę net ons het reggekom sonder daai brief.   :eek7:
Karretjie was drie keer in drie verskillende provinsies geregistreer voordat hy uiteindelik reg was.   :imaposer:

Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 10, 2016, 03:33:00 pm
Maar ek is 'n eerbare burger van Brakpan. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on October 10, 2016, 03:36:50 pm
Maar ek is 'n eerbare burger van Brakpan. :imaposer:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: NoRush on October 10, 2016, 05:40:27 pm
Baie geluk en sterkte met papiere. Wanneer ek eendag moet sal "leaner" my
keuse ook wees.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 07:27:59 am
Checking the MORNING NEWS I saw a picture on Grizzes trip that made me happy.
Here is a car and part of the front suspension hangs on a rosejoint.

If it works here and it works on the German sidecars, I am sure it will work for me.

Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 1ougat on October 11, 2016, 07:54:37 am
Yup ... the rose-jointed wonder  :spitcoffee:

Wonder of sy gaan arrive  :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on October 11, 2016, 10:55:31 am
Met al die kopseer met die papiere, is dit nie makliker om net dom te speel daaroor nie? Speel bietjie devil's advocate, maar dit kan dalk moeite spaar... Net nie so seker die assuransie gaan gelukkig wees as jy die papiere so los nie
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 11:00:07 am
Hierdie kant van die spoor probeer ons eers.   :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on October 11, 2016, 11:01:41 am
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 11:03:18 am
Looks like nobody know the LAW for sidecars in South Africa.
or
Know where to find it.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 11:48:14 am
Spoken to a testing officer at a DEKRA branch.
No sir, no safety belt required.
No yellow reflecting strips.

What is needed is normal white and red reflectors and lights.

Also a limitation on the TOTAL width of sidecars / bike combination.

Will see when I get to him tomorrow after I get my ASSESMENT letter from our trailer guy.

Looking positive... hope it pans out nicely.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 11, 2016, 12:27:24 pm
En dan moet jy jou drywers lisensie ook laat verander.  :deal:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 12:31:57 pm
Nee is nie nodig nie.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 11, 2016, 12:33:57 pm
Nee is nie nodig nie.

Is daar nie meer onderskeid tussen bike met en sonder Sidecar nie ? Lanklaas daarna gekyk.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 12:38:31 pm
Volgens my nie.  Net registrasie vir fiets.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 11, 2016, 03:45:47 pm
Spoken to a testing officer at a DEKRA branch.
No sir, no safety belt required.
No yellow reflecting strips.

What is needed is normal white and red reflectors and lights.

Also a limitation on the TOTAL width of sidecars / bike combination.

Will see when I get to him tomorrow after I get my ASSESMENT letter from our trailer guy.

Looking positive... hope it pans out nicely.

Hou altwee duime vas dat die registrasie mooi afloop

Ek het nou nie my bestuur lisensie by my nie maar ek onthou daar was altyd n 'met of sonder' sidecar.
Kyk net agterop
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 03:51:05 pm
Niks.

A of A1

Voor se dit A0 waar die zero is NONE restrictions
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on October 11, 2016, 03:55:29 pm
Met al die kopseer met die papiere, is dit nie makliker om net dom te speel daaroor nie? Speel bietjie devil's advocate, maar dit kan dalk moeite spaar... Net nie so seker die assuransie gaan gelukkig wees as jy die papiere so los nie

Die versekering-ding was ons grootste bekommernis.  Hulle soek mos al wat 'n verskoning is om nie eise te betaal nie. 
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 11, 2016, 06:00:24 pm
En dan moet jy jou drywers lisensie ook laat verander.  :deal:

Ja hy moet nou Abnormal kry :deal:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 11, 2016, 06:50:27 pm
Met PDP
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 11, 2016, 07:10:59 pm
Mooi man, so ek is ook dan sommer 'gelicence' vir n sidecar!! Whoop whoop  :laughing4:

Hoop jy kom vinnig reg met min (geen) kopsere
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 2bfree on October 11, 2016, 09:16:09 pm
Keith is hopeloos.  Humfree kom in asseblief !  :imaposer:
Yep, that's me... hopeless.

Nice sidecar body you have there though Kobus.
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 11, 2016, 10:04:18 pm
Met PDP
Net as jy passasiers of goedere laai. :deal: ;)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: dieseldawie on October 12, 2016, 12:17:58 am
 ::)
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 12, 2016, 06:24:05 am
Keith is hopeloos.  Humfree kom in asseblief !  :imaposer:
Yep, that's me... hopeless.

Nice sidecar body you have there though Kobus.

The best body by far. :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 12, 2016, 01:33:04 pm
So this morning I shoot off to go and see Oz from www.xfactorsport.co.za (http://www.xfactorsport.co.za).
Had a nice chat, he took some photos for his records and issued me with an assessment letter.

Thank you kind sir.  Really nice of you to spend time and do this for met.

Then to the tent place to see if they could make a cover for the sidecar....  No luck.

Then off to Dekra Boksburg.  There Louis sorted me out.
Could not find anything wron with the setup and the RWC was issued.

THEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off to the local licencing department.

Gave all the forms in as requested, plus a new purple one I had to fill in indicating the changes.
Waited for my little number to go an sit down and be called...... NO SIR we will phone you.... I see a new system !  Well done.

No sir we will phone you when paperwork is ready.
So I sit and wait for the phone calle here in the hall.

No sir go home, we will phone you..... maybe 6 months.  WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nou fokken wag ons maar. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on October 12, 2016, 01:42:56 pm
 :laughing4:   :laughing4:  Ai tog.  Sterkte ou maat, jy het wragtig Job se geduld.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Gérrard on October 12, 2016, 01:45:40 pm
:laughing4:   :laughing4:  Ai tog.  Sterkte ou maat, jy het wragtig Job se geduld.   :thumleft:

Nee, die ergste is dat ons sy salaris betaal terwyl hy so rond kerjakker  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 12, 2016, 02:01:12 pm
Nee pok tog  :patch: 6 maande!!!!

Hoop maar daar gebeur n wonderwerkie en dit kom vinniger....oops daar is n werk woord in wonderwerk  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 12, 2016, 02:14:32 pm
:laughing4:   :laughing4:  Ai tog.  Sterkte ou maat, jy het wragtig Job se geduld.   :thumleft:

Nee, die ergste is dat ons sy salaris betaal terwyl hy so rond kerjakker  :xxbah:

Hey.. Ek HET VERLOF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on October 12, 2016, 03:49:03 pm
So this morning I shoot off to go and see Oz from www.xfactorsport.co.za (http://www.xfactorsport.co.za).
Had a nice chat, he took some photos for his records and issued me with an assessment letter.

Thank you kind sir.  Really nice of you to spend time and do this for met.

Then to the tent place to see if they could make a cover for the sidecar....  No luck.

Then off to Dekra Boksburg.  There Louis sorted me out.
Could not find anything wron with the setup and the RWC was issued.

THEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off to the local licencing department.

Gave all the forms in as requested, plus a new purple one I had to fill in indicating the changes.
Waited for my little number to go an sit down and be called...... NO SIR we will phone you.... I see a new system !  Well done.

No sir we will phone you when paperwork is ready.
So I sit and wait for the phone calle here in the hall.

No sir go home, we will phone you..... maybe 6 months.  WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nou fokken wag ons maar. :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:

Ai, sterkte.  My siel was self so duskant die hel met die storie. 
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 12, 2016, 04:42:40 pm
So ek het die pot duidelik mis gesit (my oorlede ma se famous words  :imaposer: )
Gedog (veertjie/voeltjie  :peepwall: ) dat mens bou en haak n sidecar, laai die hond of die girl en laat waai, punt in die wind  :laughing4:
Nou hoor ek dit is n heel wetlike storie....wonder of die lisensie koste dalk bietjie duurder gemaak kan word want daai ekstra wiel gaan mos die paaie beskadig  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Swivel Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 12, 2016, 05:24:40 pm
Glo nie.  Volgens my is daar maar EEN gewig vir groot bikes. Ek het nie gesien dat hy hom verander het op RWC nie.
Hy is ook nie geweeg nie. Kyk maar op jou papiere dink hulle is almal op 470 kg Tare.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 17, 2016, 08:02:35 am
From day one I wanted this sidecar to be the best of both worlds and this weekend it happened.
I want it to swivel under normal riding conditions.
But in sandy and mud situation I want it to be a SOLID rig.

I also added some extra strength on certain points.... sorry that is my trade secret... and the first of two solid arms to make it a FIXED rig.
Will have to design and laser cut a piece to bolt onto the sub frame between passenger and drivers legs to attach the back solid bar.

Turned the front solid bar  (left had thread on one side and RH thread on other side) to give me about 1.5 degrees lean.
Today I need to buy more Left Hand thread nuts for the back bar.

Took it out for a spin.

Some left hand turns and some right hand turns and down the road at a reasonable speed.  Not bad handling at all.  Need some weight in the sidecar for the LEFT turns, but otherwise very happy for a start.

Now some toe-in and lean fine tuning and away we go.   :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 17, 2016, 08:28:20 am
Lyk goed, nog n stappie nader. Hoop nou net die registrasie owerheid skud op!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 17, 2016, 08:44:06 am
Bogger hulle.  Ek gaan ry pappie. :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on October 18, 2016, 06:45:48 pm
Ek stem, Ek het nou al 'n paar keer by die plaaslike Natis prober om die lisensie te laat verander. Almal krap net kop en weet nie mooi wat om te se nie. Blykbaar 'n vreemde situasie vir hulle. Ek was intussen deur 'n paar roadblocks waar die polisie so beindruk is met die rig dat hulle nie rerig worry oor wat die lisensie se nie. Was maar bekommerd toe een vir omtrent vyf minute na die lisensie staar maar net mooi niks se daaroor nie. Kon seker nie die skrif mooi verstaan nie. Was meer geintereseerd om saam te ry as iets anders. Die feit dat ek sy bakkie se papwiel vir hom reggemaak en opgepomp het het dalk ook gehelp.

Ek se ry die rig en verduidelik later!!

Geniet dit!!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 18, 2016, 07:13:39 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 19, 2016, 07:46:51 am
Loaded the OLD BAG on the pillion seat.  Checked where I can make a fitting for the back bar between sidecar and bike.

There is a triangular spot in the right place, so now to make a fitting to fit there.

Took a plain A4 sheet of paper and rubbed it against the 3 bolt heads.
Got these measurements in a CAD drawing.
Cut a 3mm mdf template to check the fit.
Little bit out here and there.  Adjusted the DXF file and did another cut.

PERFECT !!

Seems that the big laser cutting companies is not interested in once off small jobs.... I understand it because your setup time costs money.

So I popped into my steel supplier and got a 5mm thick plate 200 x 200 mm steel.

Between afternoon coffee and 18h00 supper I managed to make make the plate myself.

Used my big woodworking CNC to mark the holes and mark the outline of the profile.

Then with a baby grinder an 1mm cutting disk I shaped the profile.

Little bit of sanding on the belt sander, drilled the holes to size and done.

Cost of plate R 28.00.

Now to fit it and make the back turnbuckle coupler.

Title: Re:
Post by: VaalBaas on October 19, 2016, 07:50:50 am
Lekker tools is maar net lekker. Praat nou nie van die baby grinder nie.
Lyk goed

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on October 19, 2016, 07:53:23 am
Ongelukkig kom ek nog nie reg met staal MILLING op my cnc nie.

Seker maar dom met bit / speed / feeds, ander het ek hom self uitgesny.

Die gate se plekke met 'n center drill wat ek op draaibank gebruik geboor.  Werk soos 'n droom
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 06, 2016, 10:39:18 am
So with the Slumdogs Bash coming up I had to get my backside in gear.
Last weekend I HAD to go with Sweisie to some 4x4 farm.
He promised that this weekend he will come and help.

Got a lot done.
Brake lever fitted.
Master cylinder fitted.
Brake bled.
Back stay made and fitted.

So this morning took it to Germiston to the Classic MCC for a brekkie.

With the rig FIXED it is a totally different riding style. 
But at 130 she was stable on the highway.
Slow speed turns are still a bitch.

Must say I like the fixed part where you just sit on the bike feet on the pegs.

But the swivel action is still my preferred riding style....for tar and dirt highway.
Will use the FIXED way when I know the sand and mud monster is waiting.


Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: eberhard on November 06, 2016, 11:26:15 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 06, 2016, 02:16:34 pm
Lyk regtig baie goed, heel netjies!  :thumleft:

Wag met spanning op die eerste RR  :deal:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 06, 2016, 05:02:02 pm
Volgende naweek. Sal seker so 2000 km wees.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 0012 on November 07, 2016, 09:22:56 am
Volgende naweek. Sal seker so 2000 km wees.

Lyk regtig baie goed, heel netjies!  :thumleft:

Wag met spanning op die eerste RR  :deal:

+1

 :sip:

 ;D
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on November 07, 2016, 09:31:31 am
Sies en jy vra my nie eens of ek wil saam ry CMC toe nie!!!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 07, 2016, 09:43:11 am
Die karretjie kort van daai rooi tenk stickers wat op die 600 Tenere is. :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 07, 2016, 10:13:46 am
Sies en jy vra my nie eens of ek wil saam ry CMC toe nie!!!

Jy WEET mos ek gaan altyd... Ek le nie en babeleer op 'n Sondag oggend nie.  :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on November 07, 2016, 10:14:51 am
Sies en jy vra my nie eens of ek wil saam ry CMC toe nie!!!

Jy WEET mos ek gaan altyd... Ek le nie en babeleer op 'n Sondag oggend nie.  :peepwall: :imaposer:
Haha!  I wish, toe jy nog lę en snork toe werk ek al aan die varkhokke!

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 07, 2016, 10:15:00 am
Die karretjie kort van daai rooi tenk stickers wat op die 600 Tenere is. :deal: :thumleft:

Sal nog dink aan bietjie oulap se rooi op haar kry.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 07, 2016, 10:16:06 am
My kind ek het jou al LAAAAAANKAL gese... meng jou nie met die semels nie...... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 07, 2016, 11:40:27 am
Die karretjie kort van daai rooi tenk stickers wat op die 600 Tenere is. :deal: :thumleft:

Ek wou dit ook voorstel  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 07, 2016, 12:02:53 pm
Hey ek kom van KZN af....ek BLY net in Brakpan  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 18, 2016, 11:49:52 am
Some feedback is in order after a 2000 km trip to the E/Cape.

Let us say it is DIFFERENT.  But I knew it and we came back in one piece even after a bit of Bundu Bashing between Catchcart and Hogsback.

BUT !!!!!!!!!!!  I learned a lot and now we will make some minor adjustments to make it better.

Anybody interested in sidecars should read this book.   http://www.sidecar.com/Files/SC%20Manual.pdf


Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on November 18, 2016, 11:53:07 am
Vertel bietjie meer oor daai eerste foto  :lol8:

Modder is maar nie julle pel nie, met of sonder kar :peepwall:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 18, 2016, 12:05:09 pm
Kyk Vaalbaas as ek my dienste aanbied gaan ek binnekort kan aftree.
Waar ek gaan REEN dit en nie bietjie nie sommer baie...gewaarborg  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 18, 2016, 12:11:19 pm
So ry ons LEKKER met stange aan in die reen.
Pad is rof en vol gate.  Elke keer as ek so 'n gat water slaan is Elize toegegooi met modder water. :imaposer:
Ons kom so 'n steil bult of en hier staan 'n Golf in die gras.  Duidelike uitgly spore.
Dink so by myself...sjoe is die pad so snotterig ?
Ry oor die kruin en die pad draai skerperig na regs met 'n helse camber.
Daar begin ons rigting sloot gly.  Ek gee gas om die ding LINKS te draai maar nee sy ploeg in daai wal vas met 'n spoed.
Ek vlieg bo oor die ou vrou en maak 'n mooi TUCK and ROLL anderkant die karretjie.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on November 20, 2016, 08:43:36 pm
Kyk Vaalbaas as ek my dienste aanbied gaan ek binnekort kan aftree.
Waar ek gaan REEN dit en nie bietjie nie sommer baie...gewaarborg  :laughing4:

Ry sablief bietjie daar in Dorsland se rigting

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 21, 2016, 06:58:53 am
Hy moet net vasbyt.. ek is oppad. 
Maar met die kar die keer so ek weet nie of my MAGIC gaan werk nie  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: WheelieDog on November 22, 2016, 12:51:57 pm
Jy moet miskien my kar maar vat. Was hom net as jy daar aankom en kyk dan hoe pak die donderwolke saam. :eek7:

Daars maar iets omtrent daai kar. Hy maak nie net reen nie maar veroorsaak ongelukke ook. Laat ek net met hom werk toe ry die dag dan staaaan die highway weer a.g.v die ongelukke ....

Very interesting thread Woody1, I just discovered it and enjoyed it thoroughly, thanks for posting :thumleft:

I'm just wondering how you mount the bike now, as normal from the sidecar side, or do climb on from the 'wrong' side?
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 22, 2016, 01:21:53 pm
I mount her from the STREET side like a moffie. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: WheelieDog on November 22, 2016, 03:48:10 pm
Your mud dismount technique is a very manly way of getting off the bike though :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 22, 2016, 04:14:24 pm
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Frankrzzgp on November 23, 2016, 12:10:58 pm
Hoekom was die kamera nie daar vir 'n video van daardie vlug wat jy gehad het nie?! Ek sou betaal om dit te sien! :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 23, 2016, 12:15:26 pm
Ek is maar net van Brakpan nie Hollywood nie.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: stevo on December 08, 2016, 03:10:16 pm
Looking good Woody
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on December 08, 2016, 03:30:54 pm
Thanks Stevo.

After a 2000 km trip to the EC IO have some changes that I will make.

But first it is holiday time so next year I will carry on. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 11, 2017, 12:34:50 pm
So the holiday is over and its time to get cracking.

If the Voortrekkers can make a wheel from wood, so can I. :peepwall:

Problem is that my CNC machine does not have the REACH, so I had to cut a pocket in the table so that the hub can go down and my tool can reach the top to make the Cush rubber pockets.

The wood did break away a bit but a little bit of wood filler will fix that right up.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: zetman on February 11, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
 :imaposer: WTF Maak uncle nou.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 11, 2017, 02:02:04 pm
Sjarrup... bou 'n ossewa.... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 11, 2017, 05:12:29 pm
Ok here is the story... well MY story.

Sidecar on motorbike...chows a normal bike tyre and at R 3000.00 a shot it is not the way to go.

Then the search was on to find a 17 inch NARROW tyre to fit on my rim.
Shit not in Zuma heaven.
Overseas you can get them plenty, but try and bring it in is also too expensive.
What happens if one of these imported tyres must be replaced... yes import some more at a price.

So the decision was made to go VW Beetle tyres.  165 / 80 / 15.  Still available here in our beloved country.

Then it was on to find somebody to MAKE a custom wheel or 4 for me.

Shit it is difficult to get anything like this done locally at an affordable price.

Thought the VW Beetle rims were going to work, but the hub is too big.

Then it was a mission to find some company to make a rim, but with all the cheap Chinese imports, all the local rim manufactures closed shop.

The chaps still making rims are the truck boys and some smaller outfits doing rims for slow moving earth moving equipment.
They will not attempt it because they cannot balance the rim and at bike speeds it will shake everything apart they say.

Eventually I got hold of a guy that gave me a lead.... Phoned the chaps at De Villiers Bande in 658 Pres. Steyn Str Pretoria North.  ow one 2 54 six 4469
Spoke to Renier over there and he can and will make me a rim.

Also found a chap that does a lot of work for the Veteran Car chaps and he will make the new hub from a solid ALU billet.

This wooden hub is the sample to get the centerline flange in the correct position.

Designed my new rim inner part and that will be lasercut next week.
Then my friend Draad will send me some VW Beetle rims from Durban and when I have all the parts I will go to Pretoria where Reier will cut out the old VW Beetle inners and weld my new inners onto the rims.

So ja die nie 'n donderse ossewa nie.  :imaposer:

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on February 11, 2017, 06:28:45 pm
Indrukwekkend my maat. Dit is nou hoe ens te werk gaan en dit is wat hierdie nuwe SA kort. Die wil om n sukses te behaal. Well done sover.  :thumleft: :thumleft: :headbang: :headbang: Very cool
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 11, 2017, 07:24:20 pm
Dankie Ludolf. Ek is nie n ou wat hou van n NEE antwoord nie. Boer maak n plan man...al dink jy nie altyd dit kan uitwerk as jy so sukkel om gehelp te word nie.
Moet se my houtwerk masjiene help baie.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on February 12, 2017, 06:13:59 am
Nog altyd gese jy is n man met vele talent.  Ek haal my hoed af vir jou.  Wel gedaan my vriend.  Waar daar n wil is is daar n weg.   :thumleft:

Geweet as daar iemand is wat n sidecar vir die S10 kan maak sal dit jy wees.  Kannie wag om die eind produk te sien nie. 

Sterkte daar en groete tuis.  Hoop jy werk net in jou deel van die huis.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 12, 2017, 07:15:04 am
Ja Louis ek sal dit nie waag in die BAAS se gedeelte nie

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 12, 2017, 01:22:24 pm
I just though we are going to see the first 'Flintstone Super Tenere sidecar' but alas.....not yet  :peepwall:

Welldone so far Woody1, as always a plan and guys like you should do 'extended time' on earth to inspire the new generation.

I have seen things in Africa which makes people laugh, and some of the pictures in 'wtf' thread tell some of the stories. However, I have much more respect of an eager hart than a lazy ass. Where there is a will there is a way, and in our day and age there is 'google' with tons of advice. The one thing I did observe in SA though, many of the guys who can do the job want to get rich overnight and charge rates which is absolutely over the top and then they sit back with all the skill and tools and moan that there is 'no work'.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: stevo on February 13, 2017, 10:20:34 am
Citroen cv2 wheels are skinny.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 13, 2017, 10:50:55 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 14, 2017, 10:46:40 am
Ok the Voortrekker wiel sal vervang word met Aluminium.

Faaark I am happy that most of the 254 diameter billet will be machined off....it is HEAVY as it is right now.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on February 14, 2017, 11:12:49 am
Ek sal maar nie sę wat deur my kop gegaan het toe ek eers die hout bedryf gesien het nie.  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 14, 2017, 11:20:52 am
Toe vertel.... jy shares is tog klaar ism.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on February 14, 2017, 11:28:56 am
Toe vertel.... jy shares is tog klaar ism.  :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 14, 2017, 11:31:15 am
Bangat  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on February 14, 2017, 11:38:28 am
Bangat  :laughing4:

Aag ok, ek wou sę, lyk of ek en jou dogter vroeër gaan erf as wat ons gedink het as jy so aan gaan.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 14, 2017, 12:09:22 pm
Ooo, ek het gedink jy gaan iets LELIKS se  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on February 14, 2017, 05:56:51 pm
 Donnerse mannetjie

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Jakkals on February 14, 2017, 07:04:12 pm
Donnerse mannetjie

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Wat hang jy hier uit, maak liewers planne om jou parte van BW af te kry.  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 16, 2017, 01:15:54 pm
Love it when a plan comes together.

Picked up my new 165 / 80 / 15 tyre.

Also the lasercut inserts for the rims.

Yes 4 x.

One for Visarend, one for Jakkalasie... yes he think he is tough, but he will also be old someday.
One for me and one for spare.  :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on February 16, 2017, 06:58:12 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 16, 2017, 09:38:38 pm
Ek wonder nou hoeveel killos daai kar tyre sal gee - ek hoor die ouens praat deesdae van 60 000km op kar bande (Toe ek jonk was het dit nie eers halfpad so lank gehou en ek het nie gejaag en spin nie) 1300 Escort was nie vir spoed gebou nie  :imaposer:

Bike tyres is bitter duur en ek kry selde en ooit meer as 12000km uit n agterband
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on February 16, 2017, 10:14:00 pm
Jakalasie sin sal jy maar in die testament moet bemaak as deel van die erfporsie. Is al waarvoor hy wag :ricky: :lol8:

.....en ja Jakkalaas, my parte is oppad, so ek kyk maar so bietjie rond wat elders aan die gang is
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on February 17, 2017, 07:01:01 am
 :laughing4:

Het jy vir Jakallasie op WOEMA gesien... in lewende lywe my maat....Sprite Light magie en al.... en natuurlik met daai stadige bloue wat agter daai INTREE VLAK S-10 gery het. :pot: :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on March 02, 2017, 06:15:22 am
Hoe vorder dinge hier?

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 02, 2017, 08:37:35 am
Quality en nie Quantity  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on March 02, 2017, 08:45:54 am
OK goed so. Dan wag ons maar  :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 02, 2017, 09:37:05 am
Behoort my HUB voor die naweek te kry.

Dan is daar "ANDER" manne wat rims aanbied maar VERGEET om hulle saam te bring na 'n naweek van SUIP en HOEREERDERY...... :3some: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on March 02, 2017, 06:00:24 pm
Woody ,

Ek sien nou eers jy het ook die "darkside conversion begin doen. Ek het myne op 'n soortgelyke manier gedoen en dit werk soos 'n droom. Ook met 'n ou Beetle rim. Die rim van 'n Smart werk ook blykbaar. Ek soek nog na 'n tyre wat bietjie grower is maar kon nog nie een hier kry nie. As jy dalk weet van so iets laat maar weet asb. Hy werk goed maar iets met bietjie meer grip sal beter wees.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 02, 2017, 07:28:08 pm
Lekker man. Het jy ook die binnekant van die rim uit laat sny en n nuwe een wat op jou hub pas gemaak.
Op die BMW is dit baie maklik waar ek n hele nuwe hub en rim moet maak.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 02, 2017, 07:29:03 pm
Watter groote band kan jy opkry. 185 of nog wyer.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on March 03, 2017, 07:38:24 am
Woody,

Ek het die binneste vlak van die hub waar die oorspronklike wiel aan vasbout as 'n reference gebruik en alles daarvandaan gemeet. Ek het 'n 6mm plaat uitgesny en aan die binnekant van die Beetle rim vasgesweis. Die hele spul in die draaibank gesit om die presiese senter te bepaal  en toe vier gate geboor wat ooreenstem met die gate in die bike se diff waar die oorspronklike wiel vas kom. Vier stukke stud bar gebruik in die hub en die wiel daaroor gesit en opgelyn met die voorwiel. Teen die tyd reeds die band opgesit om seker te maak hy clear die shaftdrive.

Toe alles opgelyn was het die die metings gedoen om te bepaal hoe breed die adaptor moet wees. Lang storie kort , ek het die adaptor gedraai en die oorspronklike vier gate se posisie daarin geboor. die wiel self kom aan die adaptor vas met vyf boute. Die idee het ek gekry van iemand op Adventure Riders wat dieselfde gedoen het. Sien die fotos.
 Die oorspronklike vyf gate van die beetle rim het ek domed Allen cap screws ingesit net om die gate toe te maak. Die disc is natuurlik aan die ander kant van die adaptor vas. Het nogal baie meet en pas gekos  maar is absoluut die moeite werd. Ek het nou seker al omtrent 7000 km met hom so gery en dit werk baie goed. Jy kan nie eers sien dat die tyre begin wear nie.

Ek sal nou moet lieg as ek se watter breedte tyre daar op is maar hier rond kon ek nie 'n grower tyre in die size kry nie. Het dit wel al op 'n foto gesien soos die een wat ek van Mobec se site afgelaai het. Soek iets soos dit.

Eendag as ek groot is sal ek so 'n rig wil he!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 03, 2017, 07:50:39 am
Dit is waar die BMW met die enkel swingarm dit baie makliker maak.
Op die Yamaha met die 2 arms moes ek maar net 'n nuwe hub maak en aangesien my draaibankie nie so groot kan werk nie moes ek dit by 'n ander ou laat maak...en nou wag ek al 2 weke vir die hub.  :xxbah:

Ek gaan ook my leading link voor opsit en dit bietjie langer maak sodat ek so 'n bietjie meer ground clearance kan kry want die Yamaha is maar LAAG gebore.  :imaposer:

Het jy hom al sonder die sidecar gery op daai DARK SIDE ?  Baie ouens oorsee doen dit en is baie gelukkig met die setup.

Kan nie wag om klaar te maak nie, maar ek moet eers die blerrie wiel kry om my nuwe hoogtes te bepaal voordat ek my ADJUSTABLE sidecar hoogte verstelling kan insit.
Ek wil in die ry die sidecar OP of AF kan instel soos die pad camber verander en ook die gewig verander in die sidecar.

Maar ons sal daar by kom. :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 03, 2017, 07:52:03 am
Ek dink jy kan 'n wyer wiel op die BMW opkry as ek op die Yamaha.  Ek dink my 165 band gaan dit net net maak tussen die swingarm en die rem.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on March 03, 2017, 09:50:19 am
Ek dink nie so nie. Ek sal check op my tyre size maar ek dink 165 is omtrent die maximum. Huidiglik is daar maar so tussen 5 en 10 mm clearance.

In terme van die leading link: Ek het 'n kwotasie van Mobec gekry maar hulle praat van 4900 Euro! Dan is hy nog nie hier afgelewer nie en nog nie ingevoer nie. Ek kan amper 'n ander bike koop daarmee. Ek het al klaar begin rondkrap aan die idee om maar my eie een te bou. Ek sit nog 'n pic of twee by van hulle site af. Dit is veskriklik mooi en goed gebou maar eenvoudig net te duur.

Die ding wat ek eintlik meer in belangstel is hulle Duodrive wat die sidecar se wile ook aandryf. Check dit bietjie op www.mobec.de Dink net hoe lekker jy dan in die sand sal ry?

Het jy al dik sand met jou rig prober? Dit maak een moerse positiewe verskil vir my om die rig te ry vs net solo. Die sand gooi hom rond maar dit pla niks.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 03, 2017, 10:34:52 am
Nog nie dik sand gery nie net NAT MODDER SNOT.... As jy nie AFGLY in die sloot nie is alles ok. :imaposer:

Ja ek gaan my leading links net so bou.... probeer nog uitvind wat se tubing ek kan gebruik.
Dink my tripple clamp is 50mm.  Sal mens 50mm OD tubing met so 'n 2mm wand kan gebruik.

Gaan hom maak van bo tot onder SOLID tube.

Wat stel jy voor gebruik 'n mens...wand dikte / tipe staal tube
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on March 06, 2017, 08:32:59 am
Gedink om te kyk na chrome moly tubing of dalk #20 Stainless. Ek dink gewone carbon steel ASTM106 B sal dalk te swaar wees.

Jy is reg. Hy moet solied wees van bo na onder . Die enigste beweging is by die twee shocks onder. Probeer nog uitfigure hoe die hub moet lyk. Wil probeer dat die voor en agter wiele identities moet wees sodat dit interchangeable is.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 06, 2017, 08:37:52 am
Ja ek gaan ook   COMMON. :laughing4:

Agterwiel, voorwiel en sidecar wiel dieselfde.  En miskien 'n spaar.

Het al klaar 4 x INSERTS laat laser cut.

Gaan net eers een maak om te kyk hoe dit werk dan maak ek die ander.

Watter wanddikte stel jy voor vir die nuwe tubes ?
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 06, 2017, 10:09:56 am
Guess why I will be buying new bearings today.

Yip new rear wheel hub is finished.  Will pick it up tonight.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 07, 2017, 07:24:47 am
Nearly done.  The magnetic disk for the ABS just a bit tight.  He will clean that out to make sure it fits 100%
Also going to fit studs so that with repeated wheel on/off I don't damage the aluminium.

So far very happy with the new hub.

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: katana on March 07, 2017, 07:36:06 am
Some can and other drool. Nice work there.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 07, 2017, 10:30:42 am
I cannot understand the way some companies try to make a living.
I have a few bearing places around Germiston that is I can use.

But can you believe that places like Bearing Man and Bearings International do not have a 60/22 and a 62/22 bearing in stock.

Rode to Highveld bearings in Primrose... no problem sir...here they are.

Bearings for new hub SORTED !!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Groenie on March 08, 2017, 08:59:21 am

But can you believe that places like Bearing Man and Bearings International do not have a 60/22 and a 62/22 bearing in stock.


Sorry Oom. I bought the last 2 of each that BMG had in stock. Wheel bearings for a Yammy R1
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 08, 2017, 09:09:20 am
Bliksem.... sal jou kry...  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 08, 2017, 02:07:20 pm
So how do you find the center line of your bike swingarm.
Very difficult when NOTHING is square.

I need to know that my new hub flange is in the middle of the swing-arm so that when I have the VW rims fitted with my new inner, the wheel will run in the middle of the bike.
If we have that flange off by a few mm's we can then adjust this on the rim.

Well I know the back wheel SHOULD run in the middle and while the tyre is still not fitted I made a 3mm MDF TOOL that sit across the rim with a pointer.

Fit the rim to the bike, fit my new tool on the rim and mark the swing-arm middle position.


Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: GRAVELTRAVEL on March 09, 2017, 08:55:14 am
Woody,

Wat ek gedoen het was om die senter lyn van die twee oorspronklike wiele oor the dra na die vloer. Dit is die enigste plek in my opinie waar jy 'n konstante meetbare middelyn van die bike kan kry sonder te veel moeite. Het die bike vasgemaak met ratchet straps op die lyn. Met 'n spirit level teen die agterste disc die bike regop getrek en toe die lyn oorgedra na 'n senterpunt op die luggage rack. Het toe 'n skietlood aan die agterkant van die fiets op die senterpunt vasgemaak en die posisie van die wiel rondgeskuif met studbar todat die senter van die wiel met die skietlood oplyn. Dit het vir my gewerk.

Wat ek ook mee geeksperimenteer het is om die wiel so 10mm van senter af te skuif nader na die sidecar. Dit help om die rig reguit te hou wanner jy gas gee. Gewoonlik wil die fiets die sidecar verbysteek as jy gas gee. Op die manier verminder dit die effek so 'n bietjie. Jy moet maar self besluit wat vir jou die gemaklikste is.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 09, 2017, 09:28:29 am
Sal kyk of daar plek TUSSEN die swingarm is om links te skuif vir daai trek na links as jy gas gee.
Maar ek glo nie ek het veel speling daar nie.

My 3mm MDF tool het lekker die middel van die swingarm ge merk.
Gaan vanmiddag die nuwe hub opsit en kyk of ons flange oplyn met daai middelpunt.

As dit so is moet die rim bouer die wiel met ZERO offset bou.
Indien nie kan hy die offset bietjie aanpas want ek gaan nie weer so 'n stuk aluminium koop net on 2 mm verandering aan te bring nie.

Maar ek glo die nuwe hub se flange is in die middel.

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 11, 2017, 07:24:02 pm
En daar gebeur dit toe vandag.
Ry gou so n draai met die sidecar.
Toe ek by Shimwells kom ry ek oor die tweede speed bump en daar breek die as.
Morsaf. Wiel hang net aan die briek pyp.
Dink daai 50 mm pyp met n 3 mm wand dikte het seergekry met ons ongelukkie naby Hogsback verlede jaar.

Dankie Shimwells vie die spanners om gou die sidecar af te skroef.
Dankie Frankie dat jy hom daar gaan haal het en huis toe gebring het.

Wel nou gaan ons re- engineer  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on March 11, 2017, 07:26:30 pm
 WWP
Aai bummer.
Jy nie prentjies gevat nie

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 11, 2017, 07:33:45 pm
Sal more opsit
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Vis Arend on March 12, 2017, 06:44:36 am
Vra vir Vaalbaas, hy weet hoe om reg te maak sonder om te vloek.   :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on March 12, 2017, 11:11:11 am
Whahahaaa....

Dit was Sondag

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 12, 2017, 11:39:19 am
Ag OK man... ek is besig.
Het net 'n foto van as.
Dis 'n 32 mm OD pyp met 3 mm wand dikte.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 12, 2017, 01:46:21 pm
Trial and error - maar ek weet jy gaan hom regkry! 👍

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on March 12, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
Miskien net daai gedeelte n stukkie solid bar.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on March 12, 2017, 02:18:07 pm
Jip
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 29, 2017, 04:03:23 pm
Right let's carry on.

I can now say I have the FIRST XT1200ZE Super Tenere with a car tyre conversion in South Africa

I did not want to spend money on making the rims look nice before I am 100% sure that the wheel is running where it should.
I waited for the spacer tube between the 2 bearings in the new rear hub.
This morning it was D-Day... I had to go to the DARK SIDE.

So my 2 bearings was in the freezer for a day or so.  When I inserted them it only took a little pressure to drive them into position on the new hub.
Got a rim with tyre on and low and behold the wheel is exactly where it should be.

Then it was a race against time to sand and paint the rim before the shops close to get it fitted..... But I ran out of time.
When I got to my tyre place they were closed already. Race off to Brakpan town and found another still open but everything shut down already.
But the nice lady gave my a new tubless valve at least.

So I got home and managed to fit the tyre to the rim with my bike levers.
Some soapy water and lekker pressure from the compressor I heard a couple of POP's as the tyre seated on the rim.  Good times.

Two small modifications were needed.  The brake disk did not want to slide in...catching on the rim.

Here the fix was to unscrew the disk holder and fit the arm first and then add the pads and the holder.

The second modification needed two bushes and longer bolts.
The brake arm from the caliper to the swingarm needed to move out a bit as the car tyre is a little wider than the motorcycle tyre.

But in the end it all worked out.

Took it for a quick spin in town.  Very happy with the handling.  Once the sidecar is back on I will smile all the way because then I will not have to pay silly money for motorcycle tyres that don't give mileage

Now I will send in my other rims I made up for sandblasting and powder-coating..

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 29, 2017, 04:50:40 pm
a Hankook tyre?!! :eek7:
Gedog jy sou n Cooper vir die grondpad wou opsit ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 29, 2017, 06:04:45 pm
Al wat ek kon kry in daai size.
Volgens my is Cooper ook bietjie overrated en dus is die pryse ook mal

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on April 29, 2017, 07:05:14 pm
Bliksemse mannetjie.
Netjies uitgekom. Sou reken n man sal kan sę. Baie geluk en well done.

Hoe voel die platter band in die draaie soos hy nou is sonder die kar?

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 29, 2017, 07:13:31 pm
Ek het net so n kort stukkie in die dorp gery. Sover geen probleme nie. As hy more nog op banddruk is sal ek haar bietjie gaan ry op hoofweg en draaie.
Maar draaie in dorp was geen probleem gewees nie.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on April 29, 2017, 07:40:28 pm
Ek het n pel wat padfiets ry en hy beweer hy voel die platplek op n tyre wat langpad loop.
Sy bynaam het Francios square tyre geraak ek ek glo hpm nounog nie.
Jy ry nou met n propperse plat band, so ek sal dink dat op hoer spoed indraaie moet daar n verskil wees

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 07:26:29 am
Sekerlik sal jy VOEL dis anders in die draaie. Maar as ek dit rustiger vat soos OU MENSE behoort te ry en ek TRUST my band dan sal ek om die draai kom.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: pietas on April 30, 2017, 07:33:58 am
Welgedaan. Aanhouer het toe gewen
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 07:53:42 am
Dankie Pietas.  Daar is nie 'n woorde soos EK KAN NIE...

Mens sal nie weet of jy iets kan doen as jy nie eers probeer nie.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 08:15:43 am


Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 01:24:20 pm
SUPER CHUFFED !!!

I do not see WHY one has to ride on an EXPENSIVE motorcycle tyre when you can have this.

Very happy with the results.

I can lean into a corner without a problem.

Got the tyre up to 2.8 and went for it.

Hapiness

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Wayne on April 30, 2017, 02:23:40 pm
If memory serves me, adventure rider forum has a thread on this. Think the V Strom. Still leans into corners with the car rubber. Glad this is working out.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 02:29:40 pm
The biggest problem occurs when you fit a car tyre to a motorcycle rim. The PROFILE is different apparently and the 2 units does not match well.
But in my case it is a car tyre on a car rim so that problem does not exist.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 30, 2017, 07:25:52 pm
The biggest problem occurs when you fit a car tyre to a motorcycle rim. The PROFILE is different apparently and the 2 units does not match well.
But in my case it is a car tyre on a car rim so that problem does not exist.

I have met a guy years ago in Voortrekker road at the old motorcycle shop (workshop was on second floor)
Well know guy - everyone seemed to know him: His name Jimmy and he was riding a Yamaha V-max with a car tyre.
Very big man - a real gentle giant! I asked him why and he said that he just can't afford to change bike tyres every other week at the going price and he loved straight line acceleration which the V-Max was know for. It looked rather good as well but back then I did not asked what rim he was using.
It makes a lot of sense and I am sure there are many more examples. Bike tyres is really very expensive especially when you look at the killos the give.
With the sidecar this makes a lot more sense - maybe it will take a while loner to heat up on a cold day.
Would be interesting to see how many kilometres this tyre will give, but my guess is 40 000km+
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on April 30, 2017, 07:52:06 pm
40 000.... I hope so.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: katana on May 01, 2017, 07:13:26 am
This got the gears spinning overtime last night. I read quite a few forums.  It seems amazing that the darksiders are completely converted, not one regret or concern. It makes me think of all the old Harley 45's I have seen with square tires. I always wondered about that.

I see the guys mention pressures quite a bit in the 30psi/2bar range.  Are you going to keep it at 2.5bar range. I would like your feedback if you drop it for testing.

Well done!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 01, 2017, 08:01:00 am
My only concern about the Hankook tyre is that it has a very soft sidewall.
When it is not inflated you can push it down very easily.
If I do happen to loose tyre pressure this thing will have absolutely no stiffness to give you time to coast to a stop.
It will go down and you will be on the rim in a second.

Currently I am at 2.8 bar and it feels good.

Will check the max pressure that this tyre can handle and up it a bit more to check...but I do not think going down from 2.8 is a good idea.

I can also get a FEDERAL SS-657 or a Nanakang CX-668 in this size 165 x 80 x R15.  Maybe they have a stiffer sidewall.
Maybe there is a DoG out there in the tyre industry that can confirm which is the STRONGER tyre.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 01, 2017, 12:46:45 pm
I would say be careful with too high pressure as well. I know with knoblies one need to go very high to prevent them from overheating on the tar and we all know a car or truck tyre overheat when pressure is too low and burst but i also know once the tar heat up the pressure increase except when one fill it at the stations which offer the gas. Not sure but think it is nirtogen. There are definite dangers in running too high pressure on a car tyre that I know. On the sidewall there should be indications wrt tyre pressure perimiters. If it is a steel belt tyre the changes of a flat I think should be minimum and that spookpis works very well in car tubeless tyers which the car places can just pump into the tyres. I can actually recall that when we were young and windgat we made the rear tyres of the ambulances very hard as it would slide out easily espesially respinding through town trying to impress the friends and lady friends....yes I know 😅😃 and on a few occation did we get blisters because of too high pressure on the sidewall and ofcourse the fire chief was no idiot 😆

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 01, 2017, 02:04:30 pm
..but I do not think going down from 2.8 is a good idea.

Why?
On a car the pressure rating would probably be between 2-2.4 bar while it would be carrying a load of say 300-350kg.
On the bike you are likely closer to 150kg
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 01, 2017, 04:31:08 pm
But remember the car stay FLAT.

When you corner on the bike I ride on the EDGE..... do not want the EDGE to fold in on me in a corner.

Well that is my thinking.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 01, 2017, 04:40:07 pm
Today I fixed the axle that broke.
Took a 25mm solid bar and drilled a 10mm hole through it.
Inserted into the original axle tube.
Also re-inforced the connection between the swingarm and the unit that takes the wheel hub.

It will never break there again.... hopefully.

Then it was onto the adjustable suspension.

Now to have a 8mm steel arm lasercut to fit between the electrical jack and the shock.

Sorry for the quality of the last picture, but it was late and I must have been shaking...DRINKING time... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 02, 2017, 02:17:51 pm
Square is king:

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45384.0;attach=539027;image)
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 02, 2017, 02:57:10 pm
Right dis my volgende band  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 03, 2017, 06:22:08 pm
Still a story to be told about the BALANCING.

Because the rim has a 185 mm diameter center hole all of the tyre places told me that they cannot balance it on the machines as they do not have a big cone to fix it to the machine.

So I was looking for a place that still had one of those old High Speed balancing machines that can do it on the car /  bike in this instance.

After many phone calls I eventually found a place in Boksburg.  Tyres and More it is called. Gerrard a super nice chap said that he cannot guarantee that we can get it right on the bike but I can come around and we can try.

So when I got there the other day, Gerard was busy but directed me to the open bay.
So the people there started shouting for Jonas to come from the back and balance this bike / car tyre.

But Jonas started shouting back.. IT CANNOT BE DONE, I WILL NOT DO IT......big shouting match between the 2 parties.

I knew that if I cannot get this done I might have to ride the unbalanced wheel.... but that I did not want to do.

So eventually Jonas came from the back after checking this this mad middle aged man is not going anywhere.

Still complaining that THIS HAS NEVER BEING DONE.

I realized that Jonas must be approached differently.  So I tell Jonas that we will not know if we do not try.
I also tells him that HE as Mr Jonas will make history today here in Boksburg if we get it right.

So Jonas looks at this bike, looks at his machine and eventually gave in.

So we put the SENSOR tripod under the axle point after jacking the bike up with a trolley jack.
Jonas takes his place on the spinner and here we go.

One weight on the left side.  Spin it again and a smaller weight on the right hand side.

When he did the first spin I had my hand on the seat to stabilize the bike. I could feel the bad vibration of an unbalanced wheel.
After the second weight was added I checked his meter and it indicated ZERO.....that was not even needed as I could feel the vibrations were gone by holding my hand on the seat.

Very happy I went into the office to go and pay.  Gerard was happy that we could get it sorted and did not want any payment.

I walked back to Jonas and pushed a R 50.00 note in his hand.....That made his day. :laughing4:


Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 03, 2017, 06:25:34 pm
The other helpers
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 04, 2017, 11:55:07 am
Great, always comforting to know everything is sorted before a long trip....en where is that trip going to be?

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 04, 2017, 12:54:32 pm
Aangesien ek die jaar nie my Mei maad ry inkry nie dink ek om die Pensioenvretertjie Koes toe te vat in Julie.
Dan so af Luderitz toe en waar die pad heengaan gaan ons saam.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Andre E on May 04, 2017, 12:58:55 pm
Jis, hoe vat daai wheel balancing masjien my nou terug.
Baie tyd op een spandeer toe ek nog 'n snotkop was.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 04, 2017, 01:56:58 pm
Ja Andre, hulle raak skaars lyk my.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 20, 2017, 06:46:53 pm
Vandag die verstelbare suspensie begin opsit. Ook die sidecar wiel insert opgesit.
Volgende week word die rims ingestuur vir sandblasting en powder coat.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/72b867420225aa9d520204aa4b8a2f35.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/77f540f661d166f5e9767c62ba027d01.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170520/703de5fe258aed0c90fae4ee0a1a30ea.jpg)

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 21, 2017, 12:16:49 pm
So daai is n 'domkrag' (jack) wat op n motor hardloop en dan op en af verstel as ek dit nou reg sien - en gee dit dan meer grondvryhoogte of het dit te doen met die 'camber'. ???
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on May 21, 2017, 12:40:08 pm
Net om te compensate vir die CAMBER op die pad.
Wat ek ondervind het is dat nie alle paaie in Suid Afrika na links afloop nie.
As die rig opgestel is vir noemale paaie wat LINKS camber ry jy lekker.

Dank kom jy van Bloemfontein na Winburg waar die hele 110 km REGS afloop dan stoei jy met die steering.
Al wat jy dan doen is om die sidecar se wiel te SAK met die domkrag en die bike loop weer REGUIT.... so hoop ek  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: da PEEG on June 04, 2018, 07:04:36 pm
Hi woody1,

Hier is geen terrugvoer van hoe alles uitgewerk het nie...

Ek stel belang, want ek het nou net 'n sidecar gekry om op "daPEEG" te monteer.

Is jy nog in Alberton?

Sal graag wil gaan saamry sodra myne opgestel is...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on June 04, 2018, 08:17:27 pm
Hi woody1,

Hier is geen terrugvoer van hoe alles uitgewerk het nie...

Ek stel belang, want ek het nou net 'n sidecar gekry om op "daPEEG" te monteer.

Is jy nog in Alberton?

Sal graag wil gaan saamry sodra myne opgestel is...  :thumleft:

Hy was amper in Albertinia :lol8: :lol8:

Hy het julle verlaat :biggrin:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on June 04, 2018, 08:22:00 pm
Hey jy gaan skryf daai ride report.... kom ons wag  :3some:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 04, 2018, 10:10:42 pm
Hy was amper in Albertinia.................................en toe aanvaar die dorp hulle nie!! :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: VaalBaas on June 05, 2018, 07:15:27 am
Hulle se pasboeke het die verkeerde tjappe gehad :biggrin: :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on June 05, 2018, 07:25:06 am
 :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 28, 2018, 02:50:19 pm
Time for an update:

The sidecar is back on the bike.
The hub lost a few kg and it is definitely better.

Now I am toying with the idea of trying TORSION Suspension.

In our beloved country I cannot find an adjustable half axle torsion system.  They can do different angles, but I want the freedom to change as I need it.

So brainstorming by myself I thought of making my own. Either using a CV Joint parts or a PTO shaft from a tractor.

So my question to the wild dog brains is: If I take the PTO shaft. Put it inside a Square tubing and fill it with a castable rubber mix....will it work.. I think it depends on the TYPE / Hardness of the casting rubber / polyurethane.

Please help me out on this one.

 
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: TrailBlazer on November 28, 2018, 03:15:34 pm
Hi Kobus

Het jy al Burquip (http://burquip.co.za/product-category/axles/) probeer? Kan hulle nie help nie?

Ek onthou lank lank gelede (amper soos 'n slaaptyd storie  :) ) was Rubax die mense wat die aste gebou het.

EDIT:

Ek sien AL-KO (http://sleepwaparte.co.za/12-al-ko-axles?p=2) maak hulle ook...
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 28, 2018, 08:38:40 pm
If I take the PTO shaft. Put it inside a Square tubing and fill it with a castable rubber mix....will it work.. I think it depends on the TYPE / Hardness of the casting rubber / polyurethane.

Doubt casting would be strong enough. Don't know the products though. Would like to hear if there is something that is suitable.

Could you machine a rubber block into the correct part?
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 08:11:17 am
Hi Kobus

Het jy al Burquip (http://burquip.co.za/product-category/axles/) probeer? Kan hulle nie help nie?

Ek onthou lank lank gelede (amper soos 'n slaaptyd storie  :) ) was Rubax die mense wat die aste gebou het.

EDIT:

Ek sien AL-KO (http://sleepwaparte.co.za/12-al-ko-axles?p=2) maak hulle ook...

Ja hulle almal ge kontak.  Hulle sal hom op ander angle maak maar nie so dat ek hom self kan verstel nie.
Ej jho daai AL-KO mense is DUUR !!!!!!
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 08:15:03 am
If I take the PTO shaft. Put it inside a Square tubing and fill it with a castable rubber mix....will it work.. I think it depends on the TYPE / Hardness of the casting rubber / polyurethane.

Doubt casting would be strong enough. Don't know the products though. Would like to hear if there is something that is suitable.

Could you machine a rubber block into the correct part?

Thanks for the feedback.
I think casting the gaps between the square tubing and the hex shaft will be stronger than inserting loose pieces of rubber. That is if you use the correct hardness polyurethane / rubber mix.

So this is my question...What type of polyurethane / rubber compound mix will be the best?
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 1ougat on November 29, 2018, 08:20:30 am
Well sometimes you must listen to yourself :

"I realized that Jonas must be approached differently.  So I tell Jonas that we will not know if we do not try.
I also tells him that HE as Mr Jonas will make history today here in Boksburg if we get it right."
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 08:21:55 am
Boksburg / Brakpan is so yesterday... Dis nou Riversdal  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: 1ougat on November 29, 2018, 08:29:56 am
Well the lesson is universal ... or do you stop trying in Riversdal  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 29, 2018, 08:31:37 am
I think casting the gaps between the square tubing and the hex shaft will be stronger than inserting loose pieces of rubber. That is if you use the correct hardness polyurethane / rubber mix.

Yes it will be if you can get the right stuff.  And the question is what is the right stuff and where to get it. Subbed to hear if the WD knowledge database has the answer.


PS  We used similar torsion units for anti vibration mountings.  They bought it somewhere but it was just two square tubes with the inner tubed turned 45° and the gaps filled with rubber.
The advantage was that they could do an interference fit and effectively compress the rubber and the rubber pieces were simple triangular pieces.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 09:30:26 am
I think casting the gaps between the square tubing and the hex shaft will be stronger than inserting loose pieces of rubber. That is if you use the correct hardness polyurethane / rubber mix.

Yes it will be if you can get the right stuff.  And the question is what is the right stuff and where to get it. Subbed to hear if the WD knowledge database has the answer.


PS  We used similar torsion units for anti vibration mountings.  They bought it somewhere but it was just two square tubes with the inner tubed turned 45° and the gaps filled with rubber.
The advantage was that they could do an interference fit and effectively compress the rubber and the rubber pieces were simple triangular pieces.

The squares turned 45 degrees is how most of them are made.  I can still go this way.
the on issue is then to have the square inner bar machined with some sort of splines or hex shape for me to be able to do an adjustable setup where I can change the angle.
Still an option.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 09:53:18 am
Another option is to take an old CV joint.  It has splines and the spline female that I can modify to clamp at different angles to the shaft.
Problem here is that the shaft is round.  But maybe I can weld some square bars on the shaft where the rubbers will push against.
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Andre E on November 29, 2018, 10:20:16 am
Ek sou 'n torsion bar plus sy adjusting bout/bracket gebruik, sommer een van  'n ou Isuzu bakkie voor suspensie by scrap yard koop.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 10:33:09 am
Wonder hoeveel FLEX hy Andre...dis nou sonder om dit in 'n tube te sit met rubber etc.
Dalk is hy te STYF want sekerlik is die Isuzu heelwat swaarder as 'n fiberglass sidecar.

Maar 'n goeie idee.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Andre E on November 29, 2018, 10:51:13 am
Die bakkie het twee torsion bars voor. As jy een gebruik met sy spanning heel laag gestel kan dit dalk werk.

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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 11:03:33 am
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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: evansv on November 29, 2018, 01:30:47 pm
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Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 29, 2018, 01:48:15 pm
I usually do not take my lunch time off.  But today I popped around to our local scrap dealer.  What a joy.  You are allowed to wander around on your own looking at all the scrap.  I love it.  Picked up a complete CV joint shaft and two splined ends for R 20.00
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 29, 2018, 10:18:49 pm
I usually do not take my lunch time off.  But today I popped around to our local scrap dealer.  What a joy.  You are allowed to wander around on your own looking at all the scrap.  I love it.  Picked up a complete CV joint shaft and two splined ends for R 20.00
Viva Nankin Scrap!!! :lol8:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: Morné660z on November 30, 2018, 05:34:37 am
Ai die thread het my nou weer lekker laat lag vir myself. Ek was so 11 jaar oud, toe besluit ek om 'n stoel langs 'n Honda Benley 105cc vas te maak as 'n sidecar sodat my boetie kon saamry. Het nie veel geweet van pivots en suspensies nie maar ek kon sweis. Needless to say. Die verdomde ding het net al in die rondte gery!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 30, 2018, 07:40:04 am
 :laughing4:

Title: Re: Swivel and Fixed Sidecar on Super Tenere
Post by: woody1 on November 30, 2018, 07:41:42 am
I usually do not take my lunch time off.  But today I popped around to our local scrap dealer.  What a joy.  You are allowed to wander around on your own looking at all the scrap.  I love it.  Picked up a complete CV joint shaft and two splined ends for R 20.00
Viva Nankin Scrap!!! :lol8:

Lekker Chris.  In JHB was die manne so toegemaak jy kon nie inkom om self te kyk nie. Jy staan agter 'n bullet proof venster en vra....het julle dal dit of dat... Dan kyk hulle jou aan en se NEE!!!!!.. Dan stap jy maar weg.  :dousing: