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Title: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Losper on September 28, 2016, 12:49:56 pm
Only 2 months to go until Roof time!
So which Wilddogs are doing the Roof this year?

Michiel         -Silver        KTM300    #130
Losper         -Bronze      KTM300     #417
Trevorwb     -Bronze                       #350
Janneman   -Bronze      WR250F     #311
Renrew       -Bronze                       #416
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Pom17 on September 28, 2016, 01:04:52 pm
Budget only allows for next year, but I am already setting myself up so that I cant postpone another year.

Goodluck though, as far as I know it hasnt been a wet roof in a while. So might change this year  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on September 28, 2016, 01:09:36 pm
I'll be there as a spectator cheering you guys on   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: onderbroek on September 28, 2016, 01:12:25 pm
Sub

Will not be competing this year, but have 2 mates doing it - 

unlucky for me i have to attend a wedding that weekend so i will be updated via whatsapp.  :dousing:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on September 29, 2016, 07:55:51 am
Sub

Will not be competing this year, but have 2 mates doing it - 

unlucky for me i have to attend a wedding that weekend so i will be updated via whatsapp.  :dousing:

Unless it's your wedding, that's a poor excuse  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: trevorwb on September 29, 2016, 08:51:43 pm
I'm in and doing bronze.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on October 11, 2016, 07:08:12 pm
Really looking forward to the Roof this year. It will be the first time both Losper and I compete at the same time.
Competing for the first time in 2015 I couldn't get over how much of an experience it turned out to be.

(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/ethakotze/Roof%202015/DSC_0330_zpsydhn1wfy.jpg) (http://s793.photobucket.com/user/ethakotze/media/Roof%202015/DSC_0330_zpsydhn1wfy.jpg.html)

Two weeks ago I bumped into Ashley Thorn whilst filming Lesotho Sky 2016. During the first race day of Roof 2015 I saw him
in the mountains halfway through the route and stopped to introduce myself and to congratulate him on the event. This time
round I was working and in a bit of a hurry.

(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/ethakotze/David/davidLS_8487_zpsouctdiaf.jpg) (http://s793.photobucket.com/user/ethakotze/media/David/davidLS_8487_zpsouctdiaf.jpg.html)

Our conversation was brief because I had to chase down the front runners (mountain bikers). He enquired and I confirmed that I
will be riding again to which he responded: "this year is going to be very tough".

I asked if it will be very technical or just long distances. He said: "both".

Guess a decent afkak will be the order of the day. I survived Bronze but Silver is said to be a different puppy.

(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/ethakotze/Roof%202015/DSC_0322_zpsrxpd60bw.jpg) (http://s793.photobucket.com/user/ethakotze/media/Roof%202015/DSC_0322_zpsrxpd60bw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: trevorwb on October 11, 2016, 07:30:40 pm
We have upped our training to 6 hrs run time a ride.Maintenance is up.Nutrition is a key factor.On those long days it is easy to " hit the wall" with running out of energy.I cram food from the day before and from when my eyes open on the day,during the ride and at our refuel.




Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: IanTheTooth on October 11, 2016, 10:06:07 pm
don't over train Trevor!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Cracker on October 11, 2016, 11:28:45 pm
Always missed this one for whatever reason - wrong bike, wrong age, wrong mentality - time has marched on.

Best wishes to all of you doing the Roof  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

BTW, any idea of the age of the oldest rider  - in the modern era.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Losper on October 12, 2016, 10:51:42 am
Cracker, I think the oldest rider is around 58 years old. ( I will ask Peter Luck to make sure )

It is never too late :) I am 50 and this will be my 3rd Roof :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 12, 2016, 11:00:35 am
Only 2 months to go until Roof time!
So which Wilddogs are doing the Roof this year?

Michiel         -Silver        KTM300
Losper         -Bronze      KTM300
Trevorwb     -Bronze
Janneman   -Bronze      WR250F 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 12, 2016, 11:05:18 am
I have also never heard Ashley say that will be a each Roof   ;D 
Silver is a big step up from bronze.. Well, they say silver was the old gold.

heard the malutis got some good rain of late.  That country is very dry .

I reckon bronze will do  +- 100 km a day , silver  +120 km , gold 140 km per day. 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 20, 2016, 06:55:43 am
Roof numbers is out...   

Post your racing number for the wilddogs

311 Janneman Erasmus
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Renrew on October 20, 2016, 07:33:51 am
416 Renrew  :ricky:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 21, 2016, 07:36:25 am
Announcement of Start / Finish Area

The Start / Finish area for this years Motul Roof of Africa will be situated at Bushmans Pass. This is not the traditional Bushman's Finish but a bit further past the high point on the other side of the road. This area will be the Start / Finish for Time Trial, Friday and Saturday Racing Sections.

The Service Crew Parking area is on the upper platform (yellow area) and this covers an area of 20,000 square metres so there should be ample space for all. In addition. there is plenty of parking for spectators on the other side of the road.The lower platform (green area) will contain the Start / Finish Area, Official Area, Motul Bike Wash and Vendors etc. This area will only be accessible by foot.

Co-ordinates for the Start / Finish are S29 25.671 E27 51.481


Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 21, 2016, 07:39:12 am
Start stop area ROA 2016
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on October 21, 2016, 06:46:26 pm
Roof numbers is out...   

Post your racing number for the wilddogs

311 Janneman Erasmus

Don't know if you are aware of this but 311 is a lucky number. It brought me plain sailing.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: trevorwb on October 21, 2016, 08:11:53 pm
350
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on October 24, 2016, 06:16:00 am
Don't know if you are aware of this but 311 is a lucky number. It brought me plain sailing.  :thumleft:


Wow.. Truly blessed man .. Looking forward to a good roof this year. 2014 silver didn't help me either.
Please share some of your stories, pre roof practice... Hope you training hard for silver.

Best of luck Michiel
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on October 25, 2016, 01:18:43 pm
Trevor, do a search, Michiel posted a really good report on last year's Roof. You'll enjoy it.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 25, 2016, 06:53:09 pm
 :confused1: Lurking here  :sip:  ..please keep it coming :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on October 25, 2016, 07:06:59 pm
The story from 2015 - http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=185176.0

If you don't like reading I also made a video:

https://www.youtube.com/v/dcBFx1GOdBQ
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on October 27, 2016, 09:31:06 pm
Don't know if you are aware of this but 311 is a lucky number. It brought me plain sailing.  :thumleft:


Wow.. Truly blessed man .. Looking forward to a good roof this year. 2014 silver didn't help me either.
Please share some of your stories, pre roof practice... Hope you training hard for silver.

Best of luck Michiel

Thanks, you too. It is going to be memorable for sure.

Having only done one Roof so far I probably shouldn't pass myself as someone who knows a lot about it.
It is true though that I have been privileged to rub shoulders with some icons in the sport. William Gillit once
told me the sport of Extreme Enduro not only keeps the kids out of trouble and busy with something that builds
character but it also teaches them "vasbyt". Mike Glover at the end of a long day in the saddle and still no end
in sight whilst a thunderstorm was brewing over the high mountains commented that "Lesotho is just relentless!".

If I could then offer any advice to someone that hasn't yet been so lucky as to participate in the Roof of Africa
I would say: You got to go into it with some "vasbyt" because "Lesotho is just relentless". Expect some "character
building" too.

I'm one of those people who just despise exercise. I can work like an ant but don't ask me to gym or run for exercise.
I've always felt that I'd rather put the energy into doing some constructive tangible work than to just exercise away.
Therefore I am quite unfit. In that case the best way I recon one can prepare for the Roof is to merely ride your bike
in similar conditions as much as possible. Last year I participated in The Impi and it was by far the best Roof prep you
could do. The Impi is just about exactly the same idea as The Roof only in an different area. This year I had to cancel
at literally the last minute with great disappointment and haven't done as much general riding as last year in any case.
So I'm going into it with little preparation. With fitness, recent practice and special skills out of the basket I'm wondering
what is left to work with.

I certainly do have the right tool for the job! David has been very good and reliable on-top of being tailored for the worst
Lesotho can throw at you. Choose your bike carefully because you will have to become one with it.

For anyone in my position (unfit and unprepared with no superhero skills), and I'm speaking to myself as well, I'd say you got to look at it like this:

Approach each days route with curiosity as to where it will take you and what the next valley will look like.
Enjoy the breathtaking beauty of The Mountain Kingdom! If you're just riding to get to the end it will be never-ending HELL!

Be smooth and easy. Keep a manageable rhythm even if it is on the slow side. I would advise against trying to go fast and
then messing up by crashing and getting hurt or breaking the bike. Riding sustainably will give you 3 days of the best experience
in your life regardless if you finish the route set out by the organizers. Racing completely out of your abilities will send you home
or to the hospital prematurely.

Be a good sportsman. Don't throw your toys out of the cot if things doesn't go the way you want them. Just be lekker and let the
spirit of Lesotho and its people inspire you along with the magic of the spectators supporting you.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 02, 2016, 09:46:31 am
THose are extremely wise words Michiel, thank you. :thumleft:

I hope you dont mind if I post some them over to the Amageza thread.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on November 04, 2016, 07:14:01 am
Fuel and service points out Boys.

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 04, 2016, 03:07:12 pm
All the best fellows ... hopefully we will see you flying past ... we will be there supporting and keeping hydrated  :bar: ... just shout if you need a hand or a push

The guys doing it on four strokes ... eish  >:D :dousing: :lol8:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on November 07, 2016, 03:24:19 pm
All the best fellows ... hopefully we will see you flying past ... we will be there supporting and keeping hydrated  :bar: ... just shout if you need a hand or a push

The guys doing it on four strokes ... eish  >:D :dousing: :lol8:


I am one of those guys on the 4 strokes..   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 10, 2016, 08:10:39 am
All the best fellows ... hopefully we will see you flying past ... we will be there supporting and keeping hydrated  :bar: ... just shout if you need a hand or a push

The guys doing it on four strokes ... eish  >:D :dousing: :lol8:


I am one of those guys on the 4 strokes..   :thumleft:

As if the race is not hard enough ... at least if it's a 250 4 stroke ?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on November 10, 2016, 09:06:03 am
All the best fellows ... hopefully we will see you flying past ... we will be there supporting and keeping hydrated  :bar: ... just shout if you need a hand or a push

The guys doing it on four strokes ... eish  >:D :dousing: :lol8:


I am one of those guys on the 4 strokes..   :thumleft:


As if the race is not hard enough ... at least if it's a 250 4 stroke ?
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Proudly on a Blue machine, WR250F
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 11, 2016, 07:39:10 am
Please can someone advise me as to where I can get a map indicating the round the houses route? Also where is the best place to watch the round the houses? We will be on adventure bikes so we can access most spots. Also any idea if the route will be in the Ramabantha area on the Friday?? The assistance will be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Losper on November 12, 2016, 03:23:54 pm
Bigmac,  find attached the Round the houses route. This was the route for the last few years and would most probably be the same one this year. It  basically runs around the golf course right in the centre of Maseru. Any place around the route is a good viewpoint but the start/finish arena is probably the best place.

Also find attached a map of my suggested route from Ramabanta to the start/finish point at Bushmens, it includes an awesome gravel section folowing the river. Best would be to go to the start/finish point at around 6am (leave Ramabanta around 5am) to watch the start and then again in the afternoon to watch the guys coming in for the finish. The route will most probably be between Bushmens and Ramabanta but the spectator viewpoints will only be made available in about 2 weeks time. 

You can download the routes at the bottom of this page. 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 14, 2016, 04:23:57 pm
Thanks Losper really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 14, 2016, 04:40:07 pm
Gold Spectator class in 2016
Perhaps a Gold in 2017 or 18.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: billy-joe on November 15, 2016, 07:51:36 am
Howsit guys.  I would love to do the roof one day even if it was a bronze ride and not the hectic silver and insane gold.  Just a question as to which bike, I know a lot of guys use the Ktm 300, I was just wondering why the  freeride wasn't used more? You don't need the massive power from the 300 and the FR weighs a lot less.  Any opinions out there?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on November 15, 2016, 09:05:33 am
Hi Billy

Weapon of choice for most guys or would say 90 % of the field is KTM's , most is 300's. On the freeride, the suspension is very weak and needs upgrading and the brakes is from a 85 .  Limited fuel range. Would go for the 250 .. Kirsten rode one in 2014 and finished silver on it.   Good luck with that roof dream
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Pom17 on November 15, 2016, 12:11:12 pm
Remember the Roof is not just tech, tech bits are connected by fast open sections.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 15, 2016, 01:32:25 pm
Correct, in 2014 Kirsten and I rode together for at least 5-6hrs over the weekend.  Freeride was good, it was a very technical roof and not so much distance (+-130 a day)
Last year after the race when chatting to her she had wished she used her 200 instead "If I only knew its gonna be an offroad" :imaposer: (170km on the Sat)

But yes, speed suspension and brakes are not so hot if you weigh anything more than 60KG.  Im a big boy 90+-2.5KG and I raced a 200 the entire 2014 season.  You sacrifice speed and excitement for the light and nimble handling and down hills are a dream.  BUT it sucks at anything else than technical if you gear it correct and you get punished every single time you are in the wrong gear!

I have owned 5x 300 2006-2014 models and my weapon of choice if I attempt gold in 17 or 18 will be a 250 2T,  its a well balanced bike!  My personal preference.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Pom17 on November 15, 2016, 01:40:21 pm
Correct, in 2014 Kirsten and I rode together for at least 5-6hrs over the weekend.  Freeride was good, it was a very technical roof and not so much distance (+-130 a day)
Last year after the race when chatting to her she had wished she used her 200 instead "If I only knew its gonna be an offroad" :imaposer: (170km on the Sat)

But yes, speed suspension and brakes are not so hot if you weigh anything more than 60KG.  Im a big boy 90+-2.5KG and I raced a 200 the entire 2014 season.  You sacrifice speed and excitement for the light and nimble handling and down hills are a dream.  BUT it sucks at anything else than technical if you gear it correct and you get punished every single time you are in the wrong gear!

I have owned 5x 300 2006-2014 models and my weapon of choice if I attempt gold in 17 or 18 will be a 250 2T,  its a well balanced bike!  My personal preference.

Doing bronze next year and will attempt it on a 350. Will in future again go back to a 2T and only then give silver a go. Would also go 250 2T when going back to 2T

The speed and excitement is not the issue for me on the 200 or 250 4T. The fact that you kak when in the wrong gear is the deal breaker for me. The 250 and 300 2T is much more forgiving when it comes to gear selection
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: billy-joe on November 15, 2016, 08:37:44 pm
thnaks for the replies gents. i have ridden the 300, think it was a 2012 model and it was buttery smooth but could still kick your ass if you wound it up a bit too much.  so much low down useable torque that i am not used to on an mx 250 that i am used to  obviously different bikes but such an eye opener that you could find the traction when i was used to the rear tyre just lighting up!  i am so keen to get Ross' husaberg, just waiting for my next job to kick off so i can make an educated decision.  pretty certain a 300 is coming my way one day though.  just thought a freeride would be so much easier in the hectic terrain the roof offers.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 16, 2016, 08:35:03 am
Rider weight should/can also be taken into consideration.  A LOT of weekend woblers and mildly above average riders are big guys 95kg + and then for an easy lazy riding style the 300 is a brilliant bike. 
If you are in the 80kg region the 250 might just as well do the same for you.  (not 100% but power to weight ratio makes a big difference if the bike is not in its band).

2014 - Silver I did on a 2014 250 2T and I weighed in at a healthy 88KG and still felt the 300 was to much!

@Pom17 Bronze = Ringer :deal: O0
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 16, 2016, 10:58:19 am
Any confirmation if Mosalemane Pass is in for this years Roof??
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 16, 2016, 11:07:50 am
I saw the FB post but that is only speculation . . .

Im not good at math and I dont know the Maluti's like the back of my hand but it would it not be a farAF stretch if the start finish is Bushmans to get to the switchback staircase?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Pom17 on November 16, 2016, 02:24:05 pm
Rider weight should/can also be taken into consideration.  A LOT of weekend woblers and mildly above average riders are big guys 95kg + and then for an easy lazy riding style the 300 is a brilliant bike. 
If you are in the 80kg region the 250 might just as well do the same for you.  (not 100% but power to weight ratio makes a big difference if the bike is not in its band).

2014 - Silver I did on a 2014 250 2T and I weighed in at a healthy 88KG and still felt the 300 was to much!

@Pom17 Bronze = Ringer :deal: O0

NAHHH, 2T would be ideal yes. But the 4T will manage just fine. Taken that 350 of mine through some hectic shit for 8hours non stop. Gets heavy but it makes up for it in other places
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on November 16, 2016, 02:28:09 pm
Glad im not involved with that! :lol8:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: bud500 on November 16, 2016, 03:21:34 pm
Would love to spectate there though...
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on November 16, 2016, 03:33:55 pm
Getting there to spectate would be a moerse adventure in itself, no roads heading in that direction, mountain goat territory.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on November 16, 2016, 03:35:22 pm
Never done a Roof, but we ride pretty knarley stuff here, and I've done all the LEC races and the notorious 2014 Sea to Ski in the rain. 300 baby. Heaps of torque and traction, and when you are so tired that you go into "survival mode" the correct gear selection isn't a train smash. If you are a gear too high or too low, the 300 will forgive you. In all fairness, I'm probably bigger than the average enduro rider, so I need the grunt.

I spent time on a 2016 350 (KTM), and I never gelled with it. I don't attack aggressively enough for a 350. It would probably suit a faster rider better. I'm more of a donkey. The horses go past me on the flats and lowlands, but I catch them again in the passes.

Having load-mouthed above, I've heard great reviews on the new 2017 250's, so my opinion is quite possibly obsolete.

Good luck to all of you at the Roof. Depending on how quickly I settle into the WC, I might give 2017 a bash (Bronze).
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: DjfLoYd on November 16, 2016, 09:26:54 pm
Good luck to all you guys competing, I'll be there spectating and intel gathering again.
I'm planning on doing bronze in 2017 and just can't wait. I've started physical training
to get back into shape and shed some kilos and will start saddle time once I pick
up a nice 300.  :ricky:

See ya's there!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2016, 09:41:31 pm
Ok looks like I will get to the Roof despite my son Josh not riding this year (he has been writing Matric but will be back for Gold in 2017). Hatching a ride plan with edgy  - Ramabanta as usual  :ricky:  Will be good to spectate again instead of being team manager, mechanic and motivator.  8)
 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Losper on November 16, 2016, 09:58:24 pm
Ok looks like I will get to the Roof despite my son Josh not riding this year (he has been writing Matric but will be back for Gold in 2017). Hatching a ride plan with edgy  - Ramabanta as usual  :ricky:  Will be good to spectate again instead of being team manager, mechanic and motivator.  8)
Hi Dom, hope to see you there :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2016, 10:35:22 pm
Ok looks like I will get to the Roof despite my son Josh not riding this year (he has been writing Matric but will be back for Gold in 2017). Hatching a ride plan with edgy  - Ramabanta as usual  :ricky:  Will be good to spectate again instead of being team manager, mechanic and motivator.  8)
Hi Dom, hope to see you there :thumleft:

Ja hope to be able to cheer you on again  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 17, 2016, 08:14:09 am
Anyone staying at Molongoane?

@Rossdog, hopefully we can have a beer together next year at one of the LEC's? :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on November 17, 2016, 03:06:28 pm
Anyone staying at Molongoane?

@Rossdog, hopefully we can have a beer together next year at one of the LEC's? :thumleft:

Maybe at the Wildside, Enduro (my favourite), but after that I'm relocating to the Western Cape.I'm going to miss these mountains big time  :'(
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on November 17, 2016, 07:33:18 pm
I need some advice please guys, I'm going to crossing the border at Sani Pass with our two plastics on the back of my bakkie. My wife's TTR230 doesn't have any papers, will this be a problem at all at border control?

In the past 2 years we've crossed at Maseru and they never bothered checking the bikes at all, I'm just not sure how paraat they are on the Sani side.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on November 17, 2016, 07:34:55 pm
You don't need papers for plastics esp over the Roof period  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on November 17, 2016, 07:38:12 pm
You don't need papers for plastics esp over the Roof period  :thumleft:

Thanks Edgy, one less stress   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 17, 2016, 08:18:32 pm
Just be careful of any traffic offences and speeding. After Roof last year the cops were extorting bribes big time for no transgression.  First time I had ever experienced it.
>:(  >:(
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 18, 2016, 07:44:44 am
Weather for Maseru for the next two weeks.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 18, 2016, 10:29:49 am
I have also heard that the cops go mad with the bribes but luckily never experienced this before?

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: bud500 on November 18, 2016, 11:38:52 am
I have also heard that the cops go mad with the bribes but luckily never experienced this before?

In 2012 when we went, some guys got knocked at the border for taking in too much booze. I try to not make it too obvious.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 18, 2016, 10:31:54 pm
They try it with guys taking in their racing fuel as well - want you to buy in Lesotho. I always tell them it is special pre-mixed which cannot be bought there  :imposer: Yes gas is cheaper there but quality variable depending where buying.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Dirty Fun on November 21, 2016, 08:07:49 pm
Sub

Would love to have a go one year! Got me a Husky 300 2t, now the rider needs to pull his finger out his ass :deal:

All the best to the Roof warriors :thumleft:

Dirty Fun
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: boland on November 22, 2016, 11:44:42 am
I see Roof of Africa is part of the Red Bull Hard Enduro series this year, that's pretty cool. Does anybody know what big names will be competing?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 22, 2016, 01:32:11 pm
Billy bolt
Jarvis
Letti
Lars

Maybe brad Cox, Wade is still recovering from injury but im pretty sure he will be on the start line with the likes of Teasdale and Swanepoel.
Watch out for Kyle Flanagan as well this year!  Local boytjie on his sherco been making waves this season
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 22, 2016, 01:55:34 pm
I don't think Brad Cox is riding.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 22, 2016, 02:27:33 pm
I don't think Brad Cox is riding.

Brad Cox is not a big name, big ego yes  :o  He tried Gold and saw his nought last year … those mountains sort the men from the boys  :3some:

Oh and although Letti is registered I hear he is not coming … but may be Letti junior that is not coming ...
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 22, 2016, 02:38:28 pm
Billy bolt
Jarvis
Letti
Lars

Maybe brad Cox, Wade is still recovering from injury but im pretty sure he will be on the start line with the likes of Teasdale and Swanepoel.
Watch out for Kyle Flanagan as well this year!  Local boytjie on his sherco been making waves this season

Do NOT forget Gomez - a man to watch!  :3some:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 24, 2016, 07:47:19 am
Spectator Guide out
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 24, 2016, 07:56:47 am
Fark me, I saw this earlier and thought to myself thank fuck Im not riding gold this year!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on November 24, 2016, 08:01:05 am
You havent got that in a bigger format, even with my specs I cant read it?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 24, 2016, 08:39:22 am
Larger Version
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 24, 2016, 08:42:36 am
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1DcbUgG7TF4QUFjVG5nRDJySWc/view
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on November 24, 2016, 10:50:38 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on November 24, 2016, 08:16:27 pm
If you look at the SP Points for Saturday the following GPS Co Ords are duplicates 4&5, 6&7, 9&10 but are located at different points on the MAP ?????
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 25, 2016, 09:01:05 am
Wade Young announced that he is out this year, dont think his wrist/hand injury after s2s is sorted yet!

And then:

Co-Ordinates

Please note that all the co-ordinates published in the programme are all wrong and should read as follows:
Start/Finish Bushmans Pass         S29 25.560 E27 51.606
Ha Rapokoloane Friday Gold & Silver Service Point   S29 22.271 E28 01.981
St. Magdalena Friday Bronxe Service Point      S29 15.388 E27 51.309
Thaba Putsoa Saturday Bronze Service Point   S29 27.208 E27 58.937
Econet Cell Tower Saturday Silver Service Point   S29 28.080 E28 00.538
Likalaneng Saturday Gold Service Point      S29 28.247 E28 02.253
Friday Spectator Points
FS1   S29 25.319 E27 52.704   Tar
FS2   S29 21.947 E28 01.458   Dirt
FS3   S29 11.756 E28 04.510   Dirt
FS4   S29 16.506 E27 56.359   Dirt
FS5   S29 19.356 E27 55.063   Dirt
FS6   S29 24.828 E27 50.183   Tar
FS7   S29 25.595 E27 51.152   Tar
Saturday Spectator Points
SS1   S29 25.319 E27 52.704   Tar
SS2   S29 25.360 E27 53.028   Tar
SS3   S29 25.757 E27 53.277   Tar
SS4   S29 25.278 E27 55.027   Tar
SS5   S29 25.193 E27 55.712   Tar
SS6   S29 24.593 E27 58.691   Dirt
SS7   S29 26.020 E27 58.285   Tar
SS8   S29 27.218 E27 58.872   Tar
SS9   S29 28.136 E28 00.526   Tar
SS10   S29 28.283 E28 02.187   Tar
SS11   S29 34.247 E27 52.536   Dirt
SS12   S29 30.218 E27 52.621   Dirt

Note:Points indicated Dirt are only acccessible by Dirt Road not really suitable for passenger type cars. Two wheel drive Bakkkies,4x4's, Vans, Adventure Bikes etc should be fine.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 25, 2016, 09:01:45 am
oh and :

https://raceview.live/race/racemap/roof-africa-2016/
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 25, 2016, 02:50:17 pm
Sounds like Wade had another off trying to get back on it - heard dislocated shoulder? Anyway best that he is properly race fit again before next year. Definitely some local lads likeTravis that will chase down the imports  :ricky: Can't wait - some nice riding plotted to get to the Mountain Kingdom … roll on next week.  8)
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 25, 2016, 08:48:25 pm
At Wild West, doing my morning run this morning and came across these two aliens.

These boys can pedal a scooter


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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: IanTheTooth on November 26, 2016, 09:00:09 am
Sithe, I've just put the name to the face. How was your shoulder after Man & Machine? I'm almost surprised to see you in riding gear. Ian
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on November 26, 2016, 09:16:28 am
Sithe, can you confirm Letti is riding?
You also mentioned Roman, maybe taking Wades spot?

See you boys at Ramabanta; I'll be crew for a mate.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 26, 2016, 10:50:47 am
I think it may be klein Letti who is not coming as he is racing endurocross and is a clash.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 26, 2016, 01:43:46 pm
Yes Ian, I'm back riding. Was elbow dislocation.

Lettie is riding and he said Roman is also coming


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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on November 27, 2016, 10:50:41 am
I have also heard that the cops go mad with the bribes but luckily never experienced this before?

I've been hit twice in Lesothu by the "cops". First time was at the 2007 Roof (The Floods - remember that year). I parked in a loading zone to pick up some take-aways. Cops gave me a hard time, and once I'd talked my way out of it, I noticed that one of the cops had stolen one of the riders' pair of boots off the back of the bakkie. We luckily were able to borrow a pair from Gary Franks the next day.

The second time, on trying to leave Lesotho after Mountain Madalas in 2012, we were stopped by cops because our trailer didn't have enough reflective tape for their liking. They threatened to impound the trailer, and when the argument got heated, they threatened to arrest us. We had 12 hours driving ahead of us that day, so we reluctantly gave them R200, and they waved us through.. ,
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 27, 2016, 03:18:35 pm
Ja last year leaving Lesotho on the Sunday after Roof, bike loaded and exhausted, got stopped at 7 am in Mafateng and accused of going through a stop street. Although it was complete bollocks and trying to humour them they were persistent and threatened arrest and waiting till Monday for court … In the end (also with 10 hours drive ahead) I complied with sponsorship for 'some cool drinks' - left Lesotho feeling defiled. It was also not great for my two sons to see this extortion and me being complicit, although they understood.   :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: IanTheTooth on November 27, 2016, 03:29:16 pm
Last couple of times I've been riding in Lesotho and we got close enough to civilization to encounter cops the leading rider went straight through the roadblock, after that the rest just had to follow suite. Someone mentioned taking petrol across the border, I can remember anyone who fancied themselves going to the airport and buying the higher octane avgas, after all, you have the empty drums with you to drop at the fuel stops. I was always amused by all the guys who left 20 litres of fuel at each refuel but only had a 13 litre tank to fill.

Sithe, glad to hear you recovered so well. When we found you at the bottom of the rock path it looked like you would be out of riding for a long, long, long time. Must have good healing powers!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 27, 2016, 04:53:21 pm
It's the physio, she did a really good job on me, lots of pain, acupuncture and rehab exercises


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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on November 28, 2016, 10:57:05 am
Sithe, you coming down this weekend?
I'll be driving our mate around; lets have a beer
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on November 28, 2016, 11:09:17 am
I am trying to come ... if I can get Thursday and Friday off work.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Tman21 on November 28, 2016, 11:11:58 am
Is it just me or can you taste those Maluti's?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 28, 2016, 11:43:25 am
All the best for the Roof guys - Keep the rubber side down, enjoy sucking the fresh air and have a blast! :ricky: :thumleft:

Please do share your experiences / photos with us, a lot of us appreciate it. :deal: :laughing7:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: limacon on November 29, 2016, 10:07:23 am
Wade Young announced that he is out this year, dont think his wrist/hand injury after s2s is sorted yet!

And then:

Co-Ordinates

Please note that all the co-ordinates published in the programme are all wrong and should read as follows:
Start/Finish Bushmans Pass         S29 25.560 E27 51.606
Ha Rapokoloane Friday Gold & Silver Service Point   S29 22.271 E28 01.981
St. Magdalena Friday Bronxe Service Point      S29 15.388 E27 51.309
Thaba Putsoa Saturday Bronze Service Point   S29 27.208 E27 58.937
Econet Cell Tower Saturday Silver Service Point   S29 28.080 E28 00.538
Likalaneng Saturday Gold Service Point      S29 28.247 E28 02.253
Friday Spectator Points
FS1   S29 25.319 E27 52.704   Tar
FS2   S29 21.947 E28 01.458   Dirt
FS3   S29 11.756 E28 04.510   Dirt
FS4   S29 16.506 E27 56.359   Dirt
FS5   S29 19.356 E27 55.063   Dirt
FS6   S29 24.828 E27 50.183   Tar
FS7   S29 25.595 E27 51.152   Tar
Saturday Spectator Points
SS1   S29 25.319 E27 52.704   Tar
SS2   S29 25.360 E27 53.028   Tar
SS3   S29 25.757 E27 53.277   Tar
SS4   S29 25.278 E27 55.027   Tar
SS5   S29 25.193 E27 55.712   Tar
SS6   S29 24.593 E27 58.691   Dirt
SS7   S29 26.020 E27 58.285   Tar
SS8   S29 27.218 E27 58.872   Tar
SS9   S29 28.136 E28 00.526   Tar
SS10   S29 28.283 E28 02.187   Tar
SS11   S29 34.247 E27 52.536   Dirt
SS12   S29 30.218 E27 52.621   Dirt

Note:Points indicated Dirt are only acccessible by Dirt Road not really suitable for passenger type cars. Two wheel drive Bakkkies,4x4's, Vans, Adventure Bikes etc should be fine.

I know a bit of a long shot - has anyone converted these waypoints into a GPX?

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: JonW on November 29, 2016, 11:34:55 am


I know a bit of a long shot - has anyone converted these waypoints into a GPX?

Here you go:


Oh and here is a GPX file with all the spectator points mapped, etc.
The info is based on the corrected info - I know the first map issued had the wrong
GPS co-ords.

These are supposedly the corrected ones.

I take no responsibility for the accuracy of this info. :)

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=201024.0
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: limacon on November 29, 2016, 12:55:02 pm


I know a bit of a long shot - has anyone converted these waypoints into a GPX?

Here you go:


Oh and here is a GPX file with all the spectator points mapped, etc.
The info is based on the corrected info - I know the first map issued had the wrong
GPS co-ords.

These are supposedly the corrected ones.

I take no responsibility for the accuracy of this info. :)

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=201024.0

LEGEND!  Thanks mate - and thanks to DjfLoYd for the file!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Hamilton on November 30, 2016, 02:12:06 am
Camperdown Boys leaving later today. Just support and spectating. Good luck to all and maybe bump into other WDs up there. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on November 30, 2016, 06:05:04 am
 A pack of Grahamstown Greyhounds leaving today as well on our annual pilgrimage  :ricky: Will be based as normal at Ramabanta. First time for a few years that I will be spectating and not chief team manager, machie, motivator etc etc for my son Josh (he has been writing Matric but back for gold next year).

See you in the mountains for a few Malutis.  O0
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on November 30, 2016, 06:35:37 am
Cheers boys, first Maluit down  :)
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on November 30, 2016, 07:05:40 am
Still a few hours for us, Ght Greyhounds heading off today on a tour arriving at Ramabantla late tomorrow ;D
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on November 30, 2016, 12:35:25 pm
Buff you lucky bastard! I'm melting here in the Lowveld, and I have to wait another 4 or 5 hours before I can have a beer.

Good luck to all the riders and crew members, and good viewing and great times to all the spectators. A word of warning to all spectators on bikes, beer and 4th gear wheelies do not go well together. I'm talking from experience here!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: onderbroek on December 02, 2016, 09:43:46 pm
Any updates here? I checked on race control only 34 bronze finishers for today - and rumors that they were given the incorrect Gps routes,
Making them do a gold climb in the last 20km of the race. Will try get more facts
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: onderbroek on December 02, 2016, 09:46:52 pm
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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Rossdog on December 03, 2016, 04:47:05 pm
Sounds like it was a real cock-up. It's one thing if the event is tough, and there are few finishers due to attrition, but it is another if there are few finishers simply because of organisational blunders.

Any updates on the death on Snakebite Pass? Hopefully it is just a rumour.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: onderbroek on December 04, 2016, 08:04:54 am
According to Moto101 rider number 444 fell and broke his neck. Very sad and also the first fatality at the roof I think.

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on December 04, 2016, 08:35:32 am
This year the Roof left us with bitter-sweet memories. I will start a little ride report.

Sad to hear the terrible news of WILLIE-JOHN LE HANIE (#444) accident and death.
Our thoughts are with his family.

I gave my camera to one of the guys that went along to support me with the instructions to
take pictures and video. This morning I found this amongst the rest.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Serf on December 04, 2016, 08:55:51 am
RIP

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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: SteveD on December 04, 2016, 11:09:41 am
Condolences to all that knew him. Shit happens when racing, but it's kak when shit like this happens.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Cdp13 on December 04, 2016, 04:31:29 pm
This year the Roof left us with bitter-sweet memories. I will start a little ride report.

Sad to hear the terrible news of WILLIE-JOHN LE HANIE (#444) accident and death.
Our thoughts are with his family.

I gave my camera to one of the guys that went along to support me with the instructions to
take pictures and video. This morning I found this amongst the rest.

Tragic.

Looking forward to your RR Michiel.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 04, 2016, 05:57:41 pm
Well done Michiel, you were still looking very strong at St Benedicts refuel yesterday :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Crossed-up on December 04, 2016, 06:54:56 pm
Fantastic effort, Michiel, and well done on such an excellent finish.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Jayman on December 05, 2016, 08:18:17 am
Hi guys

Will also compile a small riders reports on ROA 16. Very sad on death of rider #444. I was in snake bite pass almost at the top when I heard it happen.
The organizers will have to get there act together, I wont be suprized if IMPI becomes the new roof.

I met Michiel at Round the houses and start of friday .. What a nice guy.  Looks like you managed to get a finishers medal .. Well done.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: MaxThePanda on December 05, 2016, 09:19:58 am
Hey Michiel - well done on finishing Silver! Outstanding effort. I was following from a distance this year - it looked like absolute carnage out there and probably the toughest Roof in many years. RIP #444. so sad. Looking forward to the ride report!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Losper on December 05, 2016, 12:17:29 pm
Yes Satuday was a war zone of note.
It took us 1.5hours to climb the first section of Snakebite and at around 3:30pm we decided to turn around and go down because the row of bikes ahead of us was extremely long and not moving at all.

The route on Saterday had a number of very dangerous off camber climbs and by 11am I was totally farked and decided I had enough.

There is one bonus though, I lost 2.5kg in the process ;D
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 05, 2016, 02:25:12 pm
ROA have definitely created a shit storm of note - been brewing for awhile. Unfortunately an arrogance persists where riders do not feel they have a voice that is listened to by the organisers and taken seriously. Sure some problems get addressed but then they are repeated again a year or two later. The story of bronze riders (or bronzy silver riders) bottlenecking passes resulting in competent riders being time barred has been an issue repeatedly over recent years (this is why good riders ignored the marshals and rode on when told they were disqualified). Spending R30-50K (bike and time excluded) on ones ROA only to be shafted by stupid organisational errors will inevitably create anger.

The dick swinging issue within the extreme enduro scene where the various international events try and out swing the other with the most radical or impossible events is also rife - we all know that the bronze routes of the past weekend were gold class routes not that long ago … and indeed bronze riders were doing gold passes with the gold. It is very very sad that a life was lost but many have said that it is astounding that there have not been more fatalities in recent years. One cannot put bucket list bronze riders (qualifier or no qualifier) on some of those passes. The claims of having 3000 litres of water and 1000 energy bars at DSP's is also bollocks - a group of us were at the self refuel at St Benedict's and the marshals had 20 litres of water when we arrived … we had to intervene and organise containers and water as riders were arriving with empty camelbacks … some petrol cans missing (we assembled left over fuel for riders). There was no marshal actually monitoring the refuelling ... riders astride bikes … not on hazmats… receiving assistance etc. - only marshal was at the checkpoint. The previous day there was a refuel on a sharp downhill corner!? While on the subject why can the petrol cans not be assembled in numerical sequence (even if just basically) … they do it at Impi. Ever seen a rider trying to find his can (even if marked) amongst a mixed up klompomp of 300+ cans? 

Ja, MSA needs to do an audit of the event - not that most have faith in MSA anyway.  ::)  Red Bull will also distance themselves again from this event if it does not shine up.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 05, 2016, 02:43:04 pm
Unfortunately I have to agree with Dom, I have been at the past 12 ROA`s having ridden 7 and pit crewed twice otherwise spectated so obviously a huge fan but the event is becoming a joke!! The routes marked by a chap on foot??? Bronze going up an obvious Gold class ability pass...ahead of Gold/Silver?? Ive wanted to ride this event as a dream with my son for many years which I recently realized was not realistic, after spectating at the various points over the weekend I dont think Im sending my 16 year old (very capable) boy into that mess! :o
I can honestly say that had we not decided to spectate at St Benedicts on Saturday there would have been many riders leaving for the most hectic portion of the day with no water! Dom is quite right, 20l of water was all that was available for the many hot exhausted riders...this AFTER them being assured that water and energy snacks would be available - what a joke! Theres a big difference between a tough event and plain shit dont give a f%&* organisation! 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on December 05, 2016, 02:58:37 pm
Edgy, Big Dom - I support your comments we were also there and it seemed nothing was properly organised from the start. The refuel at  St Benedicts was a shambles, no water, people couldn't find there petrol etc. They could not even get the GPS Co Ords right in the beginning for the Spectator Map. In all the years i have been going, this was one of the worst I have watched from a spectating point of view. Lack of organization. Just my thoughts but we had a great time at Ramabantha. I just hope they get it right for next year.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: MaxThePanda on December 05, 2016, 05:39:21 pm
How on earth can such a famous, long standing event be riddled with such cock-ups? Scarcely believable.


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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 06, 2016, 05:22:26 am
Excellent open letter on the Roof page, adds to much of what I have said. ROA Org need a BIG wake up call.  :-\  We have excellent event organisers like Red Cherry and those that do the Impi to help save the Roof. They just need to look at some of the other big events, including the cycling ones, to get an idea of what is expected of a proper international event.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/RoofOfAfrica/permalink/1176363089120698/
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 06, 2016, 08:07:34 am
To be fair, they only made one mistake.
One massive event transforming mistake that cost someone their life.


If the routes from Mokopu were split this would have been the most successful roof ever. 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 06, 2016, 08:28:22 am
Shark that is far from the truth...although maybe their biggest mistake, having no water that was assured to be at the unassisted points could also have been life threatening under the conditions!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 06, 2016, 09:06:34 am
There was a shitload of mistakes, yes some worse than others. As edgy says - water was major … with 90 guys bottlenecked for hours and dehydrating and a desperado call made to spectators to donate water to drop by chopper ….  :dousing:  Trackers with no SOS function!? Routes not pre-run and marked by trail runners rather than riders. In your face passes linked consecutively with no chance for riders and machines to cool and catch their breath at altitude. Goal posts moved regarding riders ignoring marshals and time bars and chicken runs for finishers medals - Clerk of the Course decisions over ruled etc etc.  :-\
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on December 06, 2016, 10:23:46 am
Sadly the race was somewhat of a clusterfuck and left many feeling dejected and not wanting to come back until things change. It was still great from a spectators perspective though, except on Bushmans on Fri when we were sitting there with cold beers waiting for the action to unfold and it never really happened because most riders were stuck in the bottleneck on Snakebite.
We managed to get in some great social riding, Lesotho remains an awesome place to ride your dirtbike and the leniency allowed by traffic officials over the Roof weekend is really appreciated. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on December 06, 2016, 10:32:01 am
YOH..

Ive just seen some of the stuff posted all over social media about the roof.

yowzer, it seems like there is more than a few people upset., I feel sorry for the okes who trained so hard to get there for their 1st race only to have some of that shit happen

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 06, 2016, 08:16:46 pm
Routes not pre-run and marked by trail runners rather than riders. 
Says who?

Quote
In your face passes linked consecutively with no chance for riders and machines to cool and catch their breath at altitude.

Would you like some cheese with your wine sir?

Quote
Goal posts moved regarding riders ignoring marshals and time bars and chicken runs for finishers medals - Clerk of the Course decisions over ruled etc etc.  :-\
Seems you need a guava instead of balls to finish roof.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 06, 2016, 08:21:57 pm
Routes not pre-run and marked by trail runners rather than riders. 
Says who?

Quote
In your face passes linked consecutively with no chance for riders and machines to cool and catch their breath at altitude.

Would you like some cheese with your wine sir?

Quote
Goal posts moved regarding riders ignoring marshals and time bars and chicken runs for finishers medals - Clerk of the Course decisions over ruled etc etc.  :-\
Seems you need a guava instead of balls to finish roof.

You obviously the fucking expert. Who you defending? Did you race? Your guava!  >:D
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: trevorwb on December 06, 2016, 10:34:31 pm
Just to set the record straight for those of you that weren't there.
This was my first Roof attempt.I rode Bronze.
I paid whatever it was for my qualifier.
I paid R5-6k ( call me a liar) for my Roof entry.
I devoted a years training and bike expenses towards this event.Dont forget the kit,nutrition,training races entry fees ,traveling expenses , accommodation.....the list is quite long.
Let's start.
11am.Registration and the loading of the GPS by the officials.
Riders briefing at 8 pm.We were pushed into a large hall type room with a stage.We had to wait until probably close to 9pm for the sports minister to welcome and thank us for our support for our contribution towards tourism.So appreciative he could arrive late.There were not enough chairs for all and more than half the people sat on the floor or stood.The briefing was crap as you couldn't hear what the organizers were saying ,you kind of caught snatches every now and again of what they were saying.
The one thing I heard was that,quote"even international events experience bad bottlenecks "Also water and energy bars would be available.
Round the houses .Park the bike by 8 am and wait for my group which would be at 12.No .can that ,a water tanker took a shortcut through the course ,got stuck and new time is 12:30pm .Stand around all day watching RTH and MX freestyle tricks in between races.line up to race and eventually start by 12:45 ish as the water tanker returned and ended up getting bogged down in the same spot as before.1 citer and 3 race laps.This I enjoyed ,but my 52 rear sprocket hated the straights.
Quickly load the bike and make your way to Bushmans.
African cities have congestion.This operation takes about an hour and a half.Arive at Bushmans and there is no parking as it is a free for all for marked  pit crew and spectators.
So now we ,the bronze plebbs get to set off into the mountains for a 55 km time trial at 3pm in the arvy.Hows that for intelligence.Send the weaker riders into the mountains for a two and three quarter to  four hour ride for some.This ,just before nighttime.On this loop I break my small toe and bend my foot peg when foot peg,boot and rock collide.The foot is also a bit bruised.I battled to find my rhythm here.
Ok back to Maseru.Bike prep,dinner,kit and nutrition prep .In bed by 11 pm.
Up at 4, off to Bushmans for 7:22 start .Look for a toilet ...can't find them.Wait until 7 ,chat to Losper in the start line and then the start becomes a free for all and 5 random people are picked and sent off in groups.
Off we go .The riding was great.Came into the first unmanned refuel and the GPS track ran out because of crops or something .We were told to follow the markers.Which a group of us couldn't find and eventually we went where the crowd on the opposite hill we're pointing.Into the Pitts we went .Bronze was an unmanned stop and the fuel was right at the end on the outside of the Red Bull banner.Stop ,Find your fuel amongst the mound of fuel containers.No marshals are at hand.I asked for water and someone pointed out a 1/4 full 5litre.No cups.Grab it and glug it out the bottle.People are walking around smoking and the one person even jokes about his smoking in a refuel area.
Back on the bike and I'm flying.Settled in and confident.One little downhill section,but mainly fast lowland terrain for the next 37 kms.
I make up time and just about catch my mates going into the manned refuel.I leave the refuel just after 12 ish ,I manage to get out ahead of my mates and I'm in high spirits."See you in 3 hrs" ,I tell my crew.I race off for 1/2 to 3/4 hrs and I arive at snake pit or whatever pass.There ahead of me was a bottleneck from top to bottom.My stomach is now cramping from not finding a loo at the start so I dive off the bike and find a bush to hide behind.Lesotho bushes are not big enough for a bos k*k.I join the slow moving bottleneck and spend the rest of the afternoon going over snake pit.Oblivious to the fact that people were being stopped and turned around on the plateau below me.It wasn't overly tough ,but you had to manhandle and get assistance to get the bike over certain obstacles.This was by no means a bronze hill.I saw one well known gold rider get dragged by locals with two ropes all the way to the top.Another thing,the bronze and silver riders were giving way for gold riders.We even gave way for silver riders and there was a great camaraderie amongst riders on that hill.At the very top there was an orange privateer  chopper.If anyone knows these people pls thank them for the water they gave us.I even stashed extra water in my backpack as the light was starting to fade and I thought I would be spending the night.From here I had an anxious ride along ledges all the way to push me pass.At the top We were about 4 with one ahead about 2 contours below.I realized that this was a mother of downhills,and if I stopped darkness would catch me.I atacked the hill with everything I had.Loose rocky descents aren't easy when your body is tired.The 3 behind were resting and I lost them.I caught the one ahead and pushed on.Just before the bottom there were some evil ledges which I slid the bike down.Once at the bottom I crossed a river .I quickly changed my GPS batteries as it switched off on the way down.I suddenly realized that the light was failing.I stuck with the course for another 10 mins and just before 7 I decided to get off the track and head for the mealies in the valley below.There was no way I would have made it in the dark.I found a district road and at 7:15 pm I sent my Pitt crew a message with my location.By this stage my feet were killing me.It felt like they were going to explode.I ripped my boots ,socks and knee braces off .I think 13 hrs with braces on restricts the blood flow to your feet.( need to find a solution to this as i can't risk the knees)My crew picked me up just before 8.Loaded the bike and headed back to Maseru.I assumed I was out.Just beforevMaseru I received a message stating that I could start the next day with a time penalty and my time would be taken from my last refuel point(12:00pm).
I was pissed off .Nobody stopped us ,they left us to ride ledges with an endless drop off into the valleys below into the dark.This part I hated and for the first time that day I hated what I was doing.
On arrival back at Maseru I decided I wouldn't be riding the next day .In the morning I loaded my bike and headed home.
On a positive note .I learnt a lot.
Would I do it again? .Sure ,the riding and challenge was great.But the organizers need to buck up,or be replaced by a more professional bunch.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 07, 2016, 06:37:25 am
Thanks Trevor - good to have your first hand input. As we know social media is littered with stories of this years debacle, and one rider did not return to tell their sorry tale.  :'(  Some twats may pooh-pooh it calling out those that dare speak out and that they must have balls - most have never ridden a Roof, seconded or even been there…the armchair racers. Lets hope this iconic race gets it's act together and survives - this is the last thing that big sponsors like Motul and Red Bull want and it needs them … along with proper event organisers and young blood to add perspective to the experienced toppies!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 07, 2016, 07:20:26 am
Agree with Trevor all the way :thumleft: There needs to be accountability!!
Shark_ZA im sure you have a few completed Roofs under the belt hey? :pot:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Avontier on December 07, 2016, 07:23:58 am
I've ridden 4 times since 2007, and spectated twice. Poor organisation has always been a part of it. You have to factor it in as one of the obstacles. The best way to counter it, is to try and be as close to the front as possible. Those at the back are used for revenue, and to  prove just how extreme the race is, and bottlenecks have proven essential in getting riders time barred.

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Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 07, 2016, 07:35:34 am
You are missing the points I am making.

1. There was only one fuck up.  And it changed everything. When you harp on irrelevant secondary kak it makes you sound like a whiner.
2. The other niggles were "issues" for some; nothing for others. All other issues noted are regular roof challenges, parking, Maseru traffic, chaos at self refuels. 
3. Kirsten was time barred and still got a gold medal as she ignored the marshals and rode on; some talk with the organisers and she was allowed to ride on Saturday. You don't need balls.

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 07, 2016, 07:52:08 am
The point we are making that perhaps you are missing is that there were multiple fuck ups, fuck ups that could have dire consequenses .....being assured that there is going to be ample water at a self assisted refuel in the midday heat with 4 hours riding ahead only to arrive with a blank looking Marshall and NO water.....a niggle??? Being sent off as a bronze rider on a 4 hour time trial at 3/3:30 pm in the arvie a niggle??? These and many other niggles can in fact be life threatening!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 07, 2016, 08:05:50 am
Came into the first unmanned refuel and the GPS track ran out because of crops or something

Mr Bird I assume.
What GPS unit do you use?  They provided two versions for this "cropping" problem on older GPS.
There was no real technical issue with the provided tracks, they would lead you around the planned route. 
But looking closely you get an indication of how they set the impossible almost criminal route. Nobody has ridden the whole route in one go, but saying they have only been walked is urban legend.
Other exaggerations I heard this weekend was that the top okes were choppered up the pass, a herdsman with a GPS strapped to his back walked it once, etc.
Don't know if frikken laser beams were involved.

The section down push me pass was recorded in 2010 going up. They used this track log to create the supplied one. This was slapped into the route once the direction was corrected.
Basically the person who put this all together should be sanctioned; it was a monumental fuck up.
The routes should be ridden the week or so before the event to ensure nothing has changed.  I discussed the route among mates who had ridden up push me and down snakebite in September (or did they trail run it?), they could not believe this was in the route for bronze or even silver riders like them, and this discussion was on Wednesday already.
We could see it was a fuck up, how could the organisers not see the same thing?  The only thing that made us think it would be ok is that they were going use a path parallel to the usual snakebite. (snakebite 2 if you please) maybe this was a lot easier. Down push me was always going to be hectic.

Out of my mates riding, one made it over and finished the full loop (bronze- he was a front runner and got there early), one struggled in the mountains for 3;30 and did exactly what you did; I collected him at around 18:30 near Bushmans. (Bronze mid packer who I crewed for)
Other two were "lucky" as they got the the Mokopu point and were told to go on the road. (Both silver)

Id go as far as saying that if Bronze and Silver had different routes from Mokopu to Bushmans this would have been the most successful roof ever.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 07, 2016, 08:24:47 am
The point we are making that perhaps you are missing is that there were multiple fuck ups, fuck ups that could have dire consequenses .....being assured that there is going to be ample water at a self assisted refuel in the midday heat with 4 hours riding ahead only to arrive with a blank looking Marshall and NO water.....a niggle??? Being sent off as a bronze rider on a 4 hour time trial at 3/3:30 pm in the arvie a niggle??? These and many other niggles can in fact be life threatening!
Ok I hear you on the promised water;
I did find it totally unacceptable when they did a collection of water at the top of Bushmans to fly to the guys on top of snakebite.

Many taped water bottles to fuel cans and there were many clean rivers on the route but this is unacceptable when they state they will provide water points.

Its the slight exaggerations that "irk" me.
I left Maseru after the 2nd last RTH. Got my guy to the start and on the track before 14:30. (assume latest is 15:00)  A tiny handful did it in 4 hours, majority 3:30. Sunset is 19:00
Tight but nothing life threatening; If Friday never happened nobody would mention it. If you were stuck out in the mountains during the time trial, you were always close to the Makhaleng road and could be fetched (tracking and cell reception)
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: IanTheTooth on December 07, 2016, 08:42:32 am
Shame Trevor, if anyone was race ready it was you. I called past your place yesterday to hear your story but you'd already left. You deserved to come back with a medal. How did your mates do, I didn't see their names in the results? 
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 07, 2016, 09:39:29 am
Fair compromise buddy :thumleft:
A dream of my 16 year old is to attempt a Bronze Roof next year, a big commitment from myself as dad and finance house as well as from Tristan who is still a small 16 year old....after checking out this years piss poor organisation I dont know so much!!! >:(
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 07, 2016, 11:28:43 am

Ok I hear you on the promised water;
I did find it totally unacceptable when they did a collection of water at the top of Bushmans to fly to the guys on top of snakebite.

Many taped water bottles to fuel cans and there were many clean rivers on the route but this is unacceptable when they state they will provide water points.

Its the slight exaggerations that "irk" me.
I left Maseru after the 2nd last RTH. Got my guy to the start and on the track before 14:30. (assume latest is 15:00)  A tiny handful did it in 4 hours, majority 3:30. Sunset is 19:00
Tight but nothing life threatening; If Friday never happened nobody would mention it. If you were stuck out in the mountains during the time trial, you were always close to the Makhaleng road and could be fetched (tracking and cell reception)
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Some about turn from your initial sharky comments … :imaposer:

It is clear to most all that there was more than ONE fuckup - yes Roof participants have got used to the average RoA 'Third World' bunfight fuckups but this year there were numerous strung together that has led to a justified shit storm. I am not talking about urban legend hearsay - these are coraborated problems that if not addressed will lead to further loss of life, loss of sponsorship, loss of entrants and the slow death of the RoA while organisers that have lost the plot and are past their shelf-life try and keep it on life support! There are many of us that are passionate about the race and have ridden, supported and crewed for 10 years and more and are in agreement that this year saw unacceptable lack of logistical organisation and safety… balls and guavas aside.  >:D

PS: Yes we were even cutting water bottles off unused petrol cans to be able to hydrate riders coming in at St Ben but this was but one of the fuckups.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: trevorwb on December 07, 2016, 05:59:56 pm
Shark I use a foretrex GPS.I was not referring to cropping of the trail .But for me ,my mates and the people around me.The trail through the gorge before my unassisted refuel vanished.The organizers said something at the briefing about going around crops and follow the marshals directions.unfortunately the briefing wasn't that informative for me.Normally by this point I would tell you to .....Im not that phased.I paid and rode and was dissatisfied with the way the event was run.Therefore I am entitled to my opinion.
Listen you are entitled to your own opinion.Im not going to argue with you.Im not going to stop riding.I would like to see the roof run better.Hopefully the organizers sit up and open there eyes to what the people want.
From here on out we should be listening to peoples comments and coming up with solutions.Im not asking for them to make it easier.I just want to be given a fair crack at it.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 07, 2016, 08:09:15 pm
Some brilliant news on the Roof Facebook page, they are enrolling the services of both Daryl Curtis as well as Williiam Gillit to assist with routes  :thumleft: ultimately this at least means the various routes will be ridden by actual riders! :deal:
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Michiel on December 07, 2016, 08:49:29 pm
Some brilliant news on the Roof Facebook page, they are enrolling the services of both Daryl Curtis as well as Williiam Gillit to assist with routes  :thumleft: ultimately this at least means the various routes will be ridden by actual riders! :deal:

Funny, I was having this very same conversation after Friday's mess. William Gillit's name was mentioned as someone who could grade the tracks accurately.
I remember joking with Losper that we could make ourselves available to test-run the routes beforehand. I think between the two of us we'd be able to tell a Bronze from a Gold!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 07, 2016, 09:33:54 pm
RESPONSE – ROOF OF AFRICA 2016 - VARIOUS ISSUES

With the 2016 Motul Roof of Africa being concluded and after what can only be described as one of the most intense and gruelling Roof of Africa’s ever various issues pertaining to the route have been duly noted by the Organisers.
The Organisers in conjunction with the relevant stakeholders have had numerous meetings and discussions to investigate and ascertain the exact cause of the Route Misdirection that occurred during Friday’s route. It has become apparent that an oversight by the route markers had led to the Bronze and Silver track being incorrectly marked from the top of the climb before Snakebite which did not form part of the original planned route.
The merging of the gold, silver and bronze tracks was not the cause of the problem as the original track layout provided that bronze riders would get to the climb 1 to 2 hrs ahead followed by Silver an additional 1 hr behind. By the time Gold arrived there would only be a few backmarkers on the first climb. Unfortunately with the route incorrectly going up Snakebite it caused a massive bottleneck which simply grew by the second as more riders arrived.
As can be seen by the quality, marking and selection of the route up to this point as well as the Time Trial and Saturday Tracks, it is evident that the organisers are able to plan the required level of track befitting this event. A small, but significant error unfortunately has cast a cloud over the entire event
The organising committee of the Roof has always prioritised the quality of the track, and in an effort to address this year’s issue, Mr Harris the track manager has agreed to step aside and make way for Roof veteran Darryl Curtis who will take over the task of planning, setting, testing and signing off all future tracks. William Gillitt, has also agreed to act in an advisory capacity. We believe that with this team on board future competitors can be comfortable that this year’s problems can never happen again.
As the year goes on more information about various stakeholders and service providers who have offered their services to improve the Roof 2017 will be made available.
Even though it might not seem enough the organizers offer our sincere apologies for these issues and will strive to do our best to make the 2017 Roof of Africa the best event ever seen.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Buff on December 08, 2016, 10:13:52 am
RESPONSE – ROOF OF AFRICA 2016 - VARIOUS ISSUES

It has become apparent that an oversight by the route markers had led to the Bronze and Silver track being incorrectly marked from the top of the climb before Snakebite which did not form part of the original planned route.
The merging of the gold, silver and bronze tracks was not the cause of the problem as the original track layout provided that bronze riders would get to the climb 1 to 2 hrs ahead followed by Silver an additional 1 hr behind. By the time Gold arrived there would only be a few backmarkers on the first climb. Unfortunately with the route incorrectly going up Snakebite it caused a massive bottleneck which simply grew by the second as more riders arrived.

The part in Bold doesn't make sense to me. First they say they made a mistake with the route for Silver and Bronze going up Snakebite because of incorrect marking. Then in the very next sentence they say the original track layout would have allowed Bronze to get there first, then Silver then Gold. Which other climb are they then referring to if all 3 classes were supposed to go up it then?

Am I reading too deep into this?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 08, 2016, 11:03:00 am
I think the reference is to Push-me pass maybe.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Pom17 on December 08, 2016, 11:05:45 am
RESPONSE – ROOF OF AFRICA 2016 - VARIOUS ISSUES

It has become apparent that an oversight by the route markers had led to the Bronze and Silver track being incorrectly marked from the top of the climb before Snakebite which did not form part of the original planned route.
The merging of the gold, silver and bronze tracks was not the cause of the problem as the original track layout provided that bronze riders would get to the climb 1 to 2 hrs ahead followed by Silver an additional 1 hr behind. By the time Gold arrived there would only be a few backmarkers on the first climb. Unfortunately with the route incorrectly going up Snakebite it caused a massive bottleneck which simply grew by the second as more riders arrived.

The part in Bold doesn't make sense to me. First they say they made a mistake with the route for Silver and Bronze going up Snakebite because of incorrect marking. Then in the very next sentence they say the original track layout would have allowed Bronze to get there first, then Silver then Gold. Which other climb are they then referring to if all 3 classes were supposed to go up it then?

Am I reading too deep into this?

Also dont understand, and a gap of 1 to 2 hours is not nearly enough for a pass like that dont you think?
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: Sithe on December 08, 2016, 11:31:55 am
I think the reference is to Push-me pass maybe.

They went down push me not up
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 08, 2016, 12:21:48 pm
I think the reference is to Push-me pass maybe.

They went down push me not up
Thats correct and still should not be in Bronze!
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 08, 2016, 04:35:59 pm
True  and true - yes so ambiguous official press release. Think we must ask the question in the RoA faebook page where it was published.

Shit Motul must be kakking themselves (and on RoA Org) after throwing money at this event and splashing their name everywhere including on the logo - best things were their brolly galls  >:D
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 08, 2016, 09:25:59 pm
OK - in re-reading the press release it appears that all classes did the initial climb to the start of Snakebite and Bronze were then meant to divert but were directed onto Snakebite physically by markings and by GPS … this was the mistake.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: shark_za on December 09, 2016, 07:42:40 am
With absolutely no evidence to suggest they intended Bronze and Silver to go around.
At all other splits there were marshals to direct riders, nothing here.
All GPS routes go over; like they intended. 

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2016, 08:56:19 am
With absolutely no evidence to suggest they intended Bronze and Silver to go around.
At all other splits there were marshals to direct riders, nothing here.
All GPS routes go over; like they intended.

Agreed - the faarkup was not a spur of the moment thing but embedded in the final routes and loaded to GPS's ... whether there was any thought otherwise in prior planning will never be known and just conjecture. They erred BIG TIME.
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 12, 2016, 12:33:30 pm
Terrible that a guy has to die before change takes place. :(

Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BIGMAC on December 12, 2016, 02:49:21 pm
I heard today that the 2017 Roof proposed dates 16, 17, 18 Nov??? Any truth in that??
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: edgy on December 12, 2016, 03:59:16 pm
I heard today that the 2017 Roof proposed dates 16, 17, 18 Nov??? Any truth in that??
Quite possible....to make things more challenging for the fast growing scholar participants??
Title: Re: Roof of Africa 2016
Post by: BiG DoM on December 12, 2016, 04:33:08 pm
I heard today that the 2017 Roof proposed dates 16, 17, 18 Nov??? Any truth in that??
Quite possible....to make things more challenging for the fast growing scholar participants??

Or fucking impossible as it may be slap bang in the middle of their exams!  :peep wall:  They did a survey last year because of the outcry of clashes with school exams and the dates and the overwhelming result indicated that it should be early December. They juggled dates this year and changed the initial MSA Calendar dates but I think they were fine in the end.