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Title: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Ventana on November 08, 2016, 10:50:52 am
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/yamaha-t7-concept/

Part of Yamaha’s 2016 EICMA show program includes a nod to the future, teasing us today with the Yamaha T7 concept. Picking up the torch where the Yamaha XT600Z Ténéré left off, the Yamaha T7 concept uses the same 270° parallel-twin engine found in the Yamaha MT-07/FZ-07 street bike.
Yamaha has wrapped that stout twin-cylidner engine in a brand new chassis that is suited for dual-spot riding, and hopes to focus its efforts on offering a middleweight adventure-tourer that is high on off-road brapping, and low on electronic wizardry.
This should appease those who complain about ADV bikes being too road focused and sophisticated for true adventure riding, and Yamaha hopes to use the T7 concept to develop a bike that meets this ethos, and is suitable for production, but also capable of proper rally raid riding.
As such, the Yamaha T7 is a fully functional prototype, and it is being developed with help from the Official Rally Team in France, Yamaha R&D in Italy, and GK Design in The Netherlands.
Featuring an aluminum fuel tank, four-project LED headlight, KYB fork suspension, carbon fiber fairing and skid plate, and a custom Akrapovič exhaust, the Yamaha T7 concept should morph into a production model in 2018.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dux on November 08, 2016, 11:41:18 am
This is a step in the right direction  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rossdog on November 08, 2016, 11:47:58 am
I like.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Pavlovski on November 08, 2016, 11:53:44 am
It surely promises to be a great machine with that engine. Those MT-07/FZ-07 parallel twin motors are receiving great reviews :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 08, 2016, 12:09:32 pm
A very good and torqi engine! This bike will come close to perfect for what I want in a ds. Price....current MT07 is R110k and rand is still sinking. Expect it to be ++ side of R130k

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 08, 2016, 12:19:27 pm
 :ricky:

Hope it reaches us close to this configuration.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on November 08, 2016, 12:49:26 pm
And hopefully at least with a 24l tank.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: MiniDan on November 08, 2016, 01:15:03 pm
Ok, this really works for me...

T7 or 701....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: hauser on November 08, 2016, 01:21:19 pm
Really like the look of the bike, clean and beautiful.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 08, 2016, 04:36:04 pm
Volgens MCN maak die T7 ongeveer 74 hp (ek dink 2017 se 701 gaan omtrent dieselfde uitsit)
en weeg die T7 180kg,ek hoop dit is vol met liquids?
Die 701 kom in teen 156kg vol,
As jy daaroor dink is die performance van die 2017 husky 701 eintlik amazing.
Die Yamaha daarenteen sal waarskynlik geen vraagtekens he rondom afwerking en betroubaarheid nie.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 08, 2016, 05:15:22 pm
Volgens MCN maak die T7 ongeveer 74 hp (ek dink 2017 se 701 gaan omtrent dieselfde uitsit)
en weeg die T7 180kg,ek hoop dit is vol met liquids?
Die 701 kom in teen 156kg vol,
As jy daaroor dink is die performance van die 2017 husky 701 eintlik amazing.
Die Yamaha daarenteen sal waarskynlik geen vraagtekens he rondom afwerking en betroubaarheid nie.

Die 701 is n uitstaande fiets, met daardie tipe kraglewering, maar dit is n heel ander klas van fiets as wat die "T7" is. Ek sal verras wees as die "T7" op 180 kan draai vol vloeistof.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Single Cylinder on November 08, 2016, 05:53:12 pm
Looks nice, now just a nice price  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Jaakmh on November 08, 2016, 06:44:33 pm
I Like

Alot


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: The_Crow on November 08, 2016, 06:49:34 pm
Yoh!

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/79/79af6b3bc5b23131ace1d835c402fa444ebd7cfc574c6b040665280337e74d7e.jpg)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on November 08, 2016, 06:51:24 pm
Added weight is a benefit for adv. (Up to a certain amount of course )

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: whitedelight on November 08, 2016, 06:52:48 pm
Volgens MCN maak die T7 ongeveer 74 hp (ek dink 2017 se 701 gaan omtrent dieselfde uitsit)
en weeg die T7 180kg,ek hoop dit is vol met liquids?
Die 701 kom in teen 156kg vol,
As jy daaroor dink is die performance van die 2017 husky 701 eintlik amazing.
Die Yamaha daarenteen sal waarskynlik geen vraagtekens he rondom afwerking en betroubaarheid nie.

Die 701 is n uitstaande fiets, met daardie tipe kraglewering, maar dit is n heel ander klas van fiets as wat die "T7" is. Ek sal verras wees as die "T7" op 180 kan draai vol vloeistof.


I reckon if they come in under 200kg wet they would have done a great job. As nice as  the 690/701 are,this Twin is what I have been waiting for. For me a much better motor for what we do with DS bikes.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Berty77 on November 08, 2016, 07:15:59 pm
Sit maar my naampie op die lys vir 2019!!!

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 08, 2016, 08:34:26 pm
Volgens MCN maak die T7 ongeveer 74 hp (ek dink 2017 se 701 gaan omtrent dieselfde uitsit)
en weeg die T7 180kg,ek hoop dit is vol met liquids?
Die 701 kom in teen 156kg vol,
As jy daaroor dink is die performance van die 2017 husky 701 eintlik amazing.
Die Yamaha daarenteen sal waarskynlik geen vraagtekens he rondom afwerking en betroubaarheid nie.

Kyk na jou MT07 en MT07 Tracer om n idee te kry van die gewig. Hy sal definitief nie onder 200kg inkom nie en dan sit ons nog die loopraam op ( chrashbars  :o ) en centre stand en pannier rakke en teen die tyd wat jy klaar is, is die fiets nie ligter as die XT660Z wat net so vir inligting 20kg swaarder is as die XT660R wat in my mening n moerse goeie thumper is - beter as die gewilder boet.

Dit gaan virseker n bitter lekker fiets wees, en gegewe op die regte prys die GS800 seermaak sowel as die XCX wat reeds nie meer so goed doen nie. BMW GS800 domineer die middel segment nou al vir 8 jaar. Yamaha het egter reeds tekenne gegee dat die fiets ontwikkel word in samewerking met hul Italiaanse vernote so dit alleen se vir my dat net soos die XTZ660Z baie duur was (veel duurder as die Sertao) gaan die fiets ook n stewige prys meer pronk. As jy gaan kyk na vergelykende toets verslae tussen die MT07 Tracer, lang in de tand Versys 650 en 650  DL Vstrom was die MT07 gekritiseer oor die suspention, die basiese 'budget' gevoel maar het almal saamgestem dat die engine die sterk punt is. Prys in die sektor is reeds hoog, en die T7 gaan virseker glo ek goeie suspention he and baie meer. Ek haak egter nou vas soos n ou langspeel plaat oor prys  :patch: maar dis seker omdat ek alreeds wens ek sal een kon bekostig! Een van daai bikes wat mens weet goed gaan wees voordat hy nog gebore is.

701 Huskey is totaal in n klas van sy eie, soos KTM (wat dit is) se slagspeuk: 'resdy to race'
Hulle is definitief nie op dieselfde kopersmark gerig nie.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: corne.l on November 09, 2016, 07:25:30 am
:ricky:

Hope it reaches us close to this configuration.

As dit die geval is, mag ek dalk n 660 en 1200 tekoop hę   :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dirkie GS on November 09, 2016, 03:16:23 pm
Hope it makes it here

I love the 701 with the rally kit and 28Liters in total of fuel :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Serfie on November 10, 2016, 12:20:49 pm
Bring it on Yamaha...bring it on...and also into SA...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on November 10, 2016, 05:49:53 pm
BMW built a 800cc parallel twin. Notoriously bad front suspension, around 210 kg and 60 odd kW (compared to 220kg, 80kW KTM 990).

Honda promised an 800cc light weight parallel twin in the new AT. It came in at 1000cc and more than 230kg.

KTM promised a 800cc parallel twin - still outstanding. Got distracted, bought Husqvarna and remade the 690 into the 701 single.

Now Yamaha promising an 800cc parallel twin? Wonder how this one will go...  :sip:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rebelwithacause on November 11, 2016, 01:03:20 pm
Siiieeeeekkk video van die T7



 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Boerbok on November 12, 2016, 06:25:39 pm
I'll take at least one.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 17, 2016, 09:02:25 pm
I like it a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/v/17yQEPS-8Y8


(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/yamaha-concept-t7-2017-le-foto/264345/F])




Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 27, 2017, 12:33:56 pm
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/yamaha-t7-first-test/

There is a video ....  :drif:
(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Yamaha-t7-adventure-motorcycle-5-561x373.jpg)
(http://put.edidomus.it/dueruote/news/foto/438384_3461_big_yamaha_T7_dueruote_2017M1.jpg)



Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on May 27, 2017, 01:07:04 pm
Yes please, built for guys like Xpat!

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 27, 2017, 01:08:13 pm
Man this looks like something special.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 27, 2017, 02:30:08 pm
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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Scalpel on May 27, 2017, 07:39:26 pm
Any pictures of the T7 at Kyalamis show?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on May 27, 2017, 07:44:04 pm
Any pictures of the T7 at Kyalamis show?

I don't think its here yet..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Scalpel on May 27, 2017, 08:06:24 pm
Any pictures of the T7 at Kyalamis show?

I don't think its here yet..

I just saw in another T7 thread that the concept bike is at Kyalami. Maybe misread it.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: XRRX on May 27, 2017, 08:50:37 pm
Does look promising indeed!!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 27, 2017, 09:04:29 pm
Love the sound as well. This thing is seriously cool.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 27, 2017, 09:24:14 pm
Any pictures of the T7 at Kyalamis show?

I don't think its here yet..
Bike is at the Kyalami show.  no pics as I just walked past back to our stall.  :(

Adie
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Twister on May 27, 2017, 10:10:21 pm
I Like
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 28, 2017, 07:05:07 am
This is a great looking bike. So simple yet functional. None of this complicated fairing setup...hope it stays this way. Foot pegs look like they may be movable.

Also easier to manufacture and initial assembly saving manufacturing costs.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Boerbok on May 28, 2017, 09:44:04 am
So much want.   :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Catchy on May 28, 2017, 09:47:11 am
Sadly, still no confirmed production date!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2017, 09:49:19 am
I can see a Yamaha XT500 engine mounting bracket. :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 28, 2017, 04:29:14 pm
Saw this in the flesh today. The basis looks good but there are a few things I noted.

The sump hangs really low
Finishing is not complete obviously but personally, they must stick with the simple design, it's good.
The nav tower is awesome.
They will probably put big ass tail lights and stuff on, I don't see these ones passing regulations....
The bar have these awesome mounts that will never make their way into production...way too much moola
The tank is great in aluminum and all but they should rather have a plastic tank like the 660 Tenere . The prototype tank is a dent or a few just waiting to happen.

The Yamaha lady said she heard they may not be available next year....

Overall, it looks great.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on May 28, 2017, 06:08:45 pm
The Tenere 660 has a plastic tank?? :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 28, 2017, 06:59:55 pm
The Tenere 660 has a plastic tank?? :o

Mine did, way better than a steel tank. It's a hardship plastic, not like a dirt bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: DirtyHarry on June 13, 2017, 04:26:34 pm
Could this be the bike many of have dreamt about?

http://www.cycleworld.com/yamaha-t7-tenere-concept-might-be-our-favorite-bike-at-eicma#page-7

Anyone got some news from this bike?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Sprocketbek on June 13, 2017, 04:52:24 pm
That looks fantastic!
Doubt the aluminium tank will make it into production though.
Can see "krokodiltrane" when that thing gets dinged  :-\
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 13, 2017, 06:18:41 pm
That looks fantastic!
Doubt the aluminium tank will make it into production though.
Can see "krokodiltrane" when that thing gets dinged  :-\

XT500's had aluminium tanks almost from the start.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rufus115 on June 13, 2017, 06:23:10 pm
It was on the Yamaha stand at the recent Kyalami Bike Festival...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Sprocketbek on June 13, 2017, 06:28:17 pm
XT500's had aluminium tanks almost from the start.
And you have never seen one with a dent?
I agree they were very pretty  :thumleft:

Putting a larger plastic tank on was probably the first thing most people did though.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BLK on June 13, 2017, 06:32:22 pm
GS Adv has Alum tank
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Pistonpete on June 13, 2017, 07:20:25 pm
GS Adv has Alum tank

Different class of bike & different expectations  ;D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Shimbungu on June 13, 2017, 07:53:58 pm
Let's wait and see😃

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Operator on June 13, 2017, 09:00:16 pm
GS Adv has Alum tank

With a replacement cost of R23 000 >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: IDR on June 14, 2017, 08:26:13 am
[threads merged]
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on June 14, 2017, 10:02:19 am
The Tenere 660 has a plastic tank?? :o
Yep made by Elkamet, quality stuff and very strong
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on June 14, 2017, 01:29:30 pm
GS Adv has Alum tank

the R1150GSA?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: DirtyHarry on June 15, 2017, 11:19:05 am
GS Adv has Alum tank
the R1150GSA?
1150gsa is a tank and it's made out of steel  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Andy660 on June 17, 2017, 08:28:20 pm
Still cant believe they doing away with the thumper. but a 700cc Tenere. I could get use to.
KTMs will deafinately hate me then !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: YamaV on June 30, 2017, 01:16:30 pm
Some more news...

175kg dry?



Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on June 30, 2017, 01:37:32 pm
Two years. Ag no man. I want it now. How can they still be wondering if there is a market for it ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2017, 03:07:41 pm
Two years and other manufacturers would have stolen their thunder......we're in a world of instant gratification. Two years isn't gonna cut it.

Looks damn nice. You see how nice it handles the rougher albeit smallish whoops.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on June 30, 2017, 06:37:43 pm
If they want to make an impact they must release it this year or beginning of next!

In 2 years it will only be one of many to choose from, read KTM, Honda, and maybe BMW..etc
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: skydiver on June 30, 2017, 07:44:23 pm
Here is another spy pic of the T7 being tested
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on July 01, 2017, 09:57:27 pm
Here is another spy pic of the T7 being tested

ek weet nie maar die foto lyk meer soos 'n Africa Twin.  :-\

Daar is bietjie te veel verskille swing arm ens ens.  tensy hulle hom meer 'mak' wil maak.

Adie
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on July 02, 2017, 01:58:37 am
Here is another spy pic of the T7 being tested

ek weet nie maar die foto lyk meer soos 'n Africa Twin.  :-\

Daar is bietjie te veel verskille swing arm ens ens.  tensy hulle hom meer 'mak' wil maak.

Adie

Yep, stem saam.
Title: T7
Post by: skydiver on July 02, 2017, 12:45:35 pm
Natuurlik gaan hy "mak" gemaak word voor produksie. Ek dink vir geen oomblik dat ons die concept weergawe te koop gaan kry nie.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Sidpitt on July 03, 2017, 12:30:05 am
I will just read and perve at the pics.

In the meantime I'll ride my 1984 XT600Z .........until one of you oakes decide to sell the T7 you bought and dont have time to ride it anymore.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on March 05, 2018, 03:45:11 pm
Resurrect thread.....  :thumleft:

This was revealed in Australia. Posted on Adventure Riders SA fb page. Doesn't look like a concept anymore....  :drif:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28685913_1780506045326749_5691270534660091473_n.jpg?oh=b92b5d77e79de6a1bd9ab5f5406965bf&oe=5B0E4811)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28660587_1780506205326733_7999224804835494312_n.jpg?oh=fec456f93c71e3426648874fb36be61b&oe=5B074922)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28685410_1780083978702289_6200454840414019810_n.jpg?oh=4646d8d4005135b2aa4a444a870294ae&oe=5B47D49F)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28577247_1780098888700798_3601291849019496456_n.jpg?oh=7f5740c1063b0d8c17d5a79728d5e17d&oe=5B4071BE)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28577181_1780098978700789_1116440473966153293_n.jpg?oh=609ea0821f56ee263c9518c4f421bafe&oe=5B3C1FB0)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Battlestar on March 05, 2018, 03:52:32 pm
 :drif:

That looks awesome
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 05, 2018, 03:56:45 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: africanSky on March 05, 2018, 04:03:34 pm
Wow! looks amazing
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 05, 2018, 04:10:02 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:

And slower ............ just saying  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 05, 2018, 04:13:52 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:

And slower ............ just saying  :pot:

...and heavier.
Apparently a little piggy.

Looks fantastic though.


Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 05, 2018, 04:16:40 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:

And slower ............ just saying  :pot:
For sure but it will outlast them all  :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 05, 2018, 04:20:06 pm
Lets hope it gets into production soon more choice is always good
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Wayne on March 05, 2018, 04:35:56 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:

But of course. It is a Yamaha after all  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on March 05, 2018, 04:38:51 pm
I can already see it being more reliable than a 790 ADV  :peepwall:

But of course. It is a Yamaha after all  :peepwall:

Is that Japanese for as heavy as a Piano? 8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offshore on March 05, 2018, 04:46:41 pm
Good looking Bike that.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on March 05, 2018, 04:51:35 pm
Good looking Bike that.

I agree, but the biggest let down in years was the XT660Z. Nice bike but heavy.  8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2018, 05:50:54 pm
 :laughing4:  From a guy who rides a 1150GS.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: GRIM on March 05, 2018, 06:21:17 pm
:laughing4:  From a guy who rides a 1150GS.

Through de Wildt...
 :jerk:
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: landieman on March 05, 2018, 06:27:42 pm
It sure does look like the business 🤤


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 05, 2018, 06:37:25 pm
Been waiting long time for this.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on March 05, 2018, 06:51:31 pm
looks great! final specs must be out now?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on March 05, 2018, 06:58:18 pm
I know, but I expect the pig to be that farkin heavy (I have a KTM Duke 390 in the garage it rolls like a bicycle) I expected the XT660Z to be a ballerina.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 05, 2018, 07:21:27 pm
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 05, 2018, 09:07:29 pm
Looks like the perfect adventure bike for a toppie, so now I need to grab a spade and look for that treasure on Gough island  :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 05, 2018, 11:39:34 pm
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:


Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 06, 2018, 08:24:12 am
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
So the Yamaha is a pig (and we don't have specs yet) but the BMW 310 and V-strom 250, CRF Rally is just fine as small adv bikes go (you even bought one I think) ? Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 06, 2018, 08:25:20 am
So what would you guys reckon this new Yamaha would sell for ? I had a figure of 150k but may end up being more ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bill the Bong on March 06, 2018, 08:38:24 am
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
So the Yamaha is a pig but the BMW 310 and V-strom 250, CRF Rally is just fine as small adv bikes go (you even bought one I think) ? Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.

Yip, had my 690 with Rally Raid UK tanks and fairing on weighed before one Amageza:  177kg with half tanks...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buff on March 06, 2018, 08:50:31 am
There was a time when I couldn't wait for this beaut to be released but after seeing the KTM790 I recon I'm going to wait and compare the two before trading my 690. I can't help be feel that Yamaha missed a golden opportunity by dragging their heels for too long on this bikes launch. By the time it goes to market it's going to be up against some stiff competition.

I have no doubt on the quality and reliability though, that will be typical Yamaha, especially after all the testing they're doing.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Operator on March 06, 2018, 09:17:15 am
So what would you guys reckon this new Yamaha would sell for ? I had a figure of 150k but may end up being more ?

Cant sell for more than R140 000, as then we are going into the Africa Twin price range..........
Well Honda is selling their bikes at a discounted rate nowadays, and the Africa Twins are selling like hot cakes.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buddy on March 06, 2018, 09:25:14 am

It certainly looks a damn side better than a 310GS (310GS - the new standard against which everything else is measured).
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 06, 2018, 09:32:24 am

It certainly looks a damn side better than a 310GS (310GS - the new standard against which everything else is measured).
If that got 30 pages this Ten must be worth 60 at least  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on March 06, 2018, 10:02:25 am
This looks proper. It's a real world bike....something you can commute on, adventure on, looks like pretty hard core too and the slightly less weight and power than the 1000cc class will make a big difference to the general longevity between tyre changes and chain and sprocket wear. People who actually use their bikes (more than five times a year) do care about how much it costs to run a bike ......

Hoping it comes in at the weight of the old 800GS or less but I'm thinking that's unlikely.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 06, 2018, 10:09:14 am
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:

How many long trips do people do in general on their 690's?  Very little, while XY660Z's ride all over.

There is a reason for this, and the reason is "tourability".  The 690 is closer to the much discussed 500/501 "adventure adaptions" than to a touring machine.

The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Operator on March 06, 2018, 10:20:16 am
The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:

The problem is that people want a Dakar replica bike that weighs 140 kg with the performance of a 1 liter bike and
the comfort of a tourer.  You will never find all those things in one bike.
.......but they will do 30 pages, to convince you that it is possible and that Yamaha is missing a wonderful
oppurtunity to capture the market  :snorting:   

:lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on March 06, 2018, 10:47:02 am
Same power as a 701 and likely 30% heavier. What was the argument around under powered overweight bikes again Dan?

I still like it though
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 06, 2018, 10:56:16 am
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FRrMHH4morVkKA%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1)
Got to love it!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on March 06, 2018, 11:04:37 am
If they can keep this in the MT07 - MT09 price range, I think it's a winner and completely in a class of it's own. If it starts approaching 790 price range, GTFO.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 06, 2018, 11:13:57 am
If they can keep this in the MT07 - MT09 price range, I think it's a winner and completely in a class of it's own. If it starts approaching 790 price range, GTFO.

What is that price range ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on March 06, 2018, 11:16:57 am
If they can keep this in the MT07 - MT09 price range, I think it's a winner and completely in a class of it's own. If it starts approaching 790 price range, GTFO.

What is that price range ?

I think 130-150 ish? Sure the Honda's sell for that now but of course that's heavily discounted and won't be the case forever.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 06, 2018, 11:25:01 am
Well the KTM 790 Adventure will only be on our shores by 2020 I reckon. Maybe end 2019 if we are lucky so will be  difficult to compare the price outright but imho the T700 is going to be more expensive imo.
Take 5% increase in price every year to bikes now minimum. The Honda Africa Twin ABS non DCT is now R186 500. I reckon that bike is R199 999 next year. It came in at R153/156k iirc. in 2016.  The Africa Twin DCT version is now a whopping R208 500 .

How much was the 660Z new in 2016?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: w@nted on March 06, 2018, 11:32:44 am
I doubt that this Yamaha will be cheaper than R165k  R185k when it releases...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 06, 2018, 11:48:43 am
Well the KTM 790 Adventure will only be on our shores by 2020 I reckon. Maybe end 2019 if we are lucky so will be  difficult to compare the price outright but imho the T700 is going to be more expensive imo.
Take 5% increase in price every year to bikes now minimum. The Honda Africa Twin ABS non DCT is now R186 500. I reckon that bike is R199 999 next year. It came in at R153/156k iirc. in 2016.  The Africa Twin DCT version is now a whopping R208 500 .

How much was the 660Z new in 2016?

Think the last 660Z we got was 2014 and then they were R108k or some sort.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on March 06, 2018, 01:09:35 pm
mmmm......   :thumleft:


(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28661072_1681570008552843_5421794806397084650_n.jpg?oh=d3018e8fe048a0d7ec24e94890a7d898&oe=5B3A1839)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28576523_1681570001886177_6502649775467078739_n.jpg?oh=1ca1f392071df1f87076a67072ac4ee0&oe=5B07393C)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: OomD on March 06, 2018, 01:16:35 pm
That sure is good looking  :drif:

Those lights are interesting.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 06, 2018, 01:25:05 pm
Hierdie gaan n lekker boney wees  :ricky: I'm just not sure if it's going to look exactly  like that when it ends up on the showroom floor. For instance wont come with a Akro that is for sure.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 06, 2018, 01:37:25 pm
See the MT-07 comes in at around 180kg. If this comes close it will be a fine machine (and coming off a Pig with a dry weight of 253kg) its a feather weight  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 06, 2018, 02:23:31 pm
Wonder whats with those bulges at the rear. Toolbox space perhaps?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on March 06, 2018, 02:47:11 pm
See the MT-07 comes in at around 180kg. If this comes close it will be a fine machine (and coming off a Pig with a dry weight of 253kg) its a feather weight  :lol8:

probably dry weight?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Berty77 on March 06, 2018, 03:51:50 pm
mmmm......   :thumleft:


(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28661072_1681570008552843_5421794806397084650_n.jpg?oh=d3018e8fe048a0d7ec24e94890a7d898&oe=5B3A1839)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28576523_1681570001886177_6502649775467078739_n.jpg?oh=1ca1f392071df1f87076a67072ac4ee0&oe=5B07393C)



Spot the location. Where is the World Raid now?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 06, 2018, 03:59:00 pm
The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:

The problem is that people want a Dakar replica bike that weighs 140 kg with the performance of a 1 liter bike and
the comfort of a tourer.  You will never find all those things in one bike.
.......but they will do 30 pages, to convince you that it is possible and that Yamaha is missing a wonderful
oppurtunity to capture the market  :snorting:   

:lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

Like the BMW GS310  :imaposer:  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 06, 2018, 04:07:49 pm
See the MT-07 comes in at around 180kg. If this comes close it will be a fine machine (and coming off a Pig with a dry weight of 253kg) its a feather weight  :lol8:

probably dry weight?

185 wet
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 06, 2018, 07:34:23 pm
The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:

The problem is that people want a Dakar replica bike that weighs 140 kg with the performance of a 1 liter bike and
the comfort of a tourer.  You will never find all those things in one bike.
.......but they will do 30 pages, to convince you that it is possible and that Yamaha is missing a wonderful
oppurtunity to capture the market  :snorting:   

:lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

Like the BMW GS310  :imaposer:  :peepwall:

"One of the best adventure bikes I have ever ridden"   :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 06, 2018, 08:17:09 pm
mmmm......   :thumleft:


(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28661072_1681570008552843_5421794806397084650_n.jpg?oh=d3018e8fe048a0d7ec24e94890a7d898&oe=5B3A1839)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28576523_1681570001886177_6502649775467078739_n.jpg?oh=1ca1f392071df1f87076a67072ac4ee0&oe=5B07393C)



Spot the location. Where is the World Raid now?
Australia ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Jaakmh on March 06, 2018, 09:13:24 pm
Yamaha is their own worst enemy. That bike should’ve been launched already!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 06, 2018, 09:51:48 pm
The gearbox seems to sit just under the seat, check out that gear linkage rod. :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 07, 2018, 06:41:32 am
ktm one similar :(

(https://imgd.aeplcdn.com/600x337/bw/ec/31829/KTM-790-Duke-Engine-111799.jpg?wm=2)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2018, 07:32:58 am
 :thumleft:

The Yamaha's gear linkage is longer..... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 07, 2018, 07:38:50 am
Any idea if yamaha has quick shift ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2018, 07:50:49 am
Any idea if yamaha has quick shift ?

I sincerely hope not.

Another weight-adding kak idea.

I toured the world, and I saved 3 minutes and 49 seconds on gearchange time. :xxbah:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on March 07, 2018, 07:54:29 am
sorry if this has been discussed, but i see its in Australia and us due to hit Africa on this tour? anyone know when and where and any indication of when it will land?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 07:56:09 am
sorry if this has been discussed, but i see its in Australia and us due to hit Africa on this tour? anyone know when and where and any indication of when it will land?
Will only be going to North Africa, Morocco I think for the tour.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buddy on March 07, 2018, 08:35:06 am

Ja, it's only going to North Africa, because the GS310 has captured the market in South Africa  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: RedWolf on March 07, 2018, 08:39:07 am
Dis 'n bitter mooi bike. Ek soek nog 'n 'replacement' vir die KTM 990R. Hierdie bike of die KTM 790adv mag dalk die worthy vervanging wees.. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 08:52:25 am
3:35 where they are taking it. The Yamaha PR guy keeps talking about "light", lets see hard to believe but yes I like it a lot and if I'm ever able too I would buy this bike  :deal:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 07, 2018, 09:35:07 am
My only question is... where and when can I pay my deposit ? (Oh, and anyone for an 1150adv, 1100s and KLR650 ?)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 09:51:46 am
:thumleft:

The Yamaha's gear linkage is longer..... :thumleft:

Their engine is seriously tall - I would like to see the two powerplants next to one another. I suspect the KTM one is much lighter and more compact. Yammie longer stroke and KTM faster revvving - history repeating itself?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 11:00:46 am
:thumleft:

The Yamaha's gear linkage is longer..... :thumleft:

Their engine is seriously tall - I would like to see the two powerplants next to one another. I suspect the KTM one is much lighter and more compact. Yammie longer stroke and KTM faster revvving - history repeating itself?
Performance motor in a Japanese dual sport bike ? Never.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on March 07, 2018, 11:24:30 am
btw that is Rodney Faggotter, Yamaha Dakar rider showing the bike off.  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28783761_1445743642204558_9033850983697109502_n.jpg?oh=94b87062f46207d2459dd604da135771&oe=5B0C7731)

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003863182811
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on March 07, 2018, 11:51:57 am
The more I see this bike, the less I want to.  :'( It breaks my heart knowing that I probably won't own one for a while.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 11:56:11 am

btw that is Rodney Faggotter, Yamaha Dakar rider showing the bike off.  :thumleft:


Seems like an appropriate name and photograph for a Yamaha rider  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 07, 2018, 11:56:27 am

btw that is Rodney Faggotter, Yamaha Dakar rider showing the bike off.  :thumleft:


Seems like an appropriate name and photograph for a Yamaha rider  >:D

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2018, 12:54:59 pm
Voertsek, julle brandsiek KTM dingo's. :imaposer: :imaposer:

Fagotter. :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buddy on March 07, 2018, 01:01:25 pm
An enthusiastic fellow, isn't he? Almost as enthusiastic as the guy next to him giving the thumbs-up. Perhaps someone told him his cap didn't fit just before the photo was taken.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 01:04:16 pm
An enthusiastic fellow, isn't he? Almost as enthusiastic as the guy next to him giving the thumbs-up. Perhaps someone told him his cap didn't fit just before the photo was taken.  :lol8:
Hope that is not the feeling Fagotter got after riding the bike !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 07, 2018, 01:17:15 pm
Seems all those okes are standing in line.... "If you know what I mean"
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 01:49:28 pm
I think it important to try and keep a straight poke-ehr face in these serious times of fighting off the paparazzi 😜
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on March 07, 2018, 02:03:48 pm
Yamaha very nearly gave all the opposition factory boys an embarrassing Dakar this year !!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on March 07, 2018, 02:11:23 pm
Yeah seems Yamaha is also embracing the whole new "lifestyle" thing. Just in a bit of an awkward way.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on March 07, 2018, 02:21:05 pm
Yamaha very nearly gave all the opposition factory boys an embarrassing Dakar this year !!

Nearly is a bit optimistic. They started fast but not one Yamaha in the final top 15..... Even Hero did better than that  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 07, 2018, 02:45:57 pm
My only question is... where and when can I pay my deposit ? (Oh, and anyone for an 1150adv, 1100s and KLR650 ?)

There is probably a waiting list on your KLR but please ad my name Jup
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 03:04:11 pm
Yamaha very nearly gave all the opposition factory boys an embarrassing Dakar this year !!

True story but in the end Yamaha Faggotboy actually only came 16th - even Team Hero using the 10 year old Speedbrain BMW/Husky tech got a 6th place ...  ::) 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 04:43:31 pm
Yamaha very nearly gave all the opposition factory boys an embarrassing Dakar this year !!

True story but in the end Yamaha Faggotboy actually only came 16th - even Team Hero using the 10 year old Speedbrain BMW/Husky tech got a 6th place ...  ::)
If not for that fall on 2nd to last stage a non factory garage built WR/YZ hybrid would have won Dakar  :pot: Wonder what Yamaha can do with a full factory bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 04:57:49 pm
I heard Chuck Norris is no.1 on the T7 waiting list
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 05:49:06 pm
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If not for that fall on 2nd to last stage a non factory garage built WR/YZ hybrid would have won Dakar  :pot: Wonder what Yamaha can do with a full factory bike.

Hardly garage built :laughing4:  Just not ‘full factory’ but still described themselves as the official Yamaha factory team. Yes I rooted for them as well and loved their riding attitude. But not built in a barn boet!  ???
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 09:16:18 pm
Next year after Bam Bam crashes out Yamaha will take the win  :deal:
Lots of interest in this bike but many getting restless as there seems to be no definate date or details for release. Yamaha wants to build hype before it's launch with this world raid but they might end up losing sales to other manufacturers.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 10:08:41 pm
I would very happily see Yammie take a win from Bah Bah - I decided this year he is too much of a cry baby to win Dakar. I agree re the Yammie cocktease and am not sure they actually doing themselves any favors with this little fagot ruse down under, tucking the T7 into bed at night and sunrise photo shoots on the beach but no actual specs and dealer delivery date. Bikus  Interuptus does not work for me.  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 07, 2018, 10:25:35 pm
Next year after Bam Bam crashes out Yamaha will take the win  :deal:
Lots of interest in this bike but many getting restless as there seems to be no definate date or details for release. Yamaha wants to build hype before it's launch with this world raid but they might end up losing sales to other manufacturers.

Honda announced back in 2009 that they are working on the new Adventure bike, and in 2016 (7 years down the line) did we see it.
Many got impatient and bought GS800's and XC's.
Finally it hit our shores and I think it is a huge success.

The T7 Was rumored about a year after the MT07 was released. Under correction; MT07 hit our shores around 2013.
I had a test ride since I was a motorbike medic at the time and I have posted somewhere on the forum that that engine will be a gem in a ds bike.
Andy then commented a year later it is in the plan and finally we see prototype and this 'introduction tour' of sort.
I personally think they are doing good wrt time.

These things take time and once they are happy and got all the approvals they need the factory to be set up - tooling and training ++

I am glad they do proper research, testing and get all their ducks in a row before releasing a new model. Now there should probably be another thread where they discuss the new BMW850 but I sure hope they are not rushing into the market again like they did with the LC boxer.
This Yamaha should be worth the wait for the guys and girls that can afford buying a new bike! 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on March 08, 2018, 06:30:50 am
Yeah..if the weight is low enough, I can imagine somewhere in the future getting one of these instead of the AT
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 08, 2018, 07:07:07 am
TvB - on reflection yes you are right, better to get the R&D right rather than rush to the marketplace. The Japs are generally good at this and have an Eastern attitude to time  ::)  Maybe this prelaunch shake down is also more real world than KTM’s flash 790 cock tease video but maybe Yammies is still coming. I think they will be very different bikes in many ways which is good - the more choices in this segment the better ... and phew we going to need competition for the BMW G310GS  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 08, 2018, 07:23:58 am
Yeah seems Yamaha is also embracing the whole new "lifestyle" thing. Just in a bit of an awkward way.

Unlike BMW and Harley Davidson, a geniune motorcycle company like Yamaha would not know much about the biker "lifestyle" thing.

Then again, awkward would be what BMW's would look like if every "Motorrad" dealer did not own a fleet of JAPANESE bakkies for bike recoveries. >:D

Everything good is worth waiting for.......patience with the T7 guys, Yamaha is just making sure it will be as reliable as every other Yamaha that's ever gone before. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Operator on March 08, 2018, 08:15:04 am
From the time the rumour mill started on the 660 Tenere, till it was available at the dealerships was about 3 years.

..................and then it took another year for it to arrive in South Africa  :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 08, 2018, 08:31:43 am
From the time the rumour mill started on the 660 Tenere, till it was available at the dealerships was about 3 years.

..................and then it took another year for it to arrive in South Africa  :deal:

And two years to fix the quick release niggles. But still one of the best.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on March 08, 2018, 08:46:47 am
But surely the development time period must have been considerably shortened for Yamaha by using a proven Italian engine?

Morbidelli, wasn't it?  ;) :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 08, 2018, 08:49:20 am
From the time the rumour mill started on the 660 Tenere, till it was available at the dealerships was about 3 years.

..................and then it took another year for it to arrive in South Africa  :deal:

And two years to fix the quick release niggles. But still one of the best.
The regulator connector plug, the air filter was changed to a DNA if I remember correctly. Not sure if it was just for SA or the whole world. But props to Yamaha they did it free of charge to all new owners.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 08, 2018, 09:08:29 am
From the time the rumour mill started on the 660 Tenere, till it was available at the dealerships was about 3 years.

..................and then it took another year for it to arrive in South Africa  :deal:

And two years to fix the quick release niggles. But still one of the best.
The regulator connector plug, the air filter was changed to a DNA if I remember correctly. Not sure if it was just for SA or the whole world. But props to Yamaha they did it free of charge to all new owners.

I was the third owner of my 660Z, it having been a demo. When I got it at 18 000km the steering head bearings were shot. I went to our local dealer and told him its not acceptable. They checked with Helderberg Yamaha, where it was first sold and replaced the bearings for me.

That's why I'll buy the T7 before the AT (I'm still waiting for the stearing head bearings and seals from Honda PE since 2009 for my old AT, which I paid for  :lol8: )
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 08, 2018, 03:48:33 pm
Which colour would you buy ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 08, 2018, 03:58:30 pm
I've booked the bottom one  :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: katana on March 08, 2018, 04:11:57 pm
The top one for sure.  The yellow looks a little IT...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on March 08, 2018, 06:57:26 pm
do we know what the suspension travel will be, and ground clearance?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Jaakmh on March 08, 2018, 08:20:32 pm
Daai witte lyk goed!!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 08, 2018, 08:34:57 pm
do we know what the suspension travel will be, and ground clearance?


No reliable specs available  :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on March 08, 2018, 08:40:30 pm
Looking at the pics, the sump is very deep, making the placement of the engine pretty high. Fuel is also not under the seat to assist with low cog so I'd be curious to know how this bike rides in practice. A little top heavy and barge like maybe?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 08, 2018, 10:04:59 pm
Looking at the pics, the sump is very deep, making the placement of the engine pretty high. Fuel is also not under the seat to assist with low cog so I'd be curious to know how this bike rides in practice. A little top heavy and barge like maybe?

Yes, being a Yamaha it will barge through anything. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 09, 2018, 06:50:52 am
Needs center stand

(https://sw-motech.com/cosmoshop/default/pix/a/g/hps_06_506_10002_b_1_xl.19.jpg)

And some sort of luggage rack

(http://static.twisted-throttle.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/28496d0a14ec004b76332fd2427e3099/g/p/gpt_06_506_15000_b_1_xl_web.jpg)

Add another 7kg
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on March 09, 2018, 10:12:25 am
fixed...  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Skaiidawg on March 09, 2018, 10:27:21 am



That's why I'll buy the T7 before the AT (I'm still waiting for the stearing head bearings and seals from Honda PE since 2009 for my old AT, which I paid for  8: )

Never buy bearings from the dealer, buy from SKF or Bearing Man or ABC.



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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: armpump on March 09, 2018, 12:49:53 pm
fixed...  :thumleft:



Now add hand guards and mirrors and fix those droopy handlebars please :)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 09, 2018, 02:40:17 pm



That's why I'll buy the T7 before the AT (I'm still waiting for the stearing head bearings and seals from Honda PE since 2009 for my old AT, which I paid for  8: )

Never buy bearings from the dealer, buy from SKF or Bearing Man or ABC.



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Yeah but motorcycles sometimes have weird size bearings that you can only source from the manufacturer. Not always but sometimes.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Skaiidawg on March 09, 2018, 04:04:10 pm
Yeah but motorcycles sometimes have weird size bearings that you can only source from the manufacturer. Not always but sometimes.

Manufacturers of any brand of vehicle or motorcycle do not make their own bearings. It always comes from NTN, SKF, FAG, TIMKEN etc. So with the bearing dimensions OD, ID, WIDTH and what type of bearing it is (single roller, double roller etc) you will get that bearing from the shops.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 09, 2018, 04:09:46 pm
Yeah but motorcycles sometimes have weird size bearings that you can only source from the manufacturer. Not always but sometimes.

Manufacturers of any brand of vehicle or motorcycle do not make their own bearings. It always comes from NTN, SKF, FAG, TIMKEN etc. So with the bearing dimensions OD, ID, WIDTH and what type of bearing it is (single roller, double roller etc) you will get that bearing from the shops.

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Manufacturers sometimes specify a special bearing, and agrees with the manufacturer to only deliver to said manufacturer for a certain period.

For this period then, these bearings will be agents only, afterwards the bearings will come onto the general market.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on March 09, 2018, 06:26:40 pm
Please can you do one in Kenny style yellow and black.... please. 8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 09, 2018, 07:06:47 pm
Please can you do one in Kenny style yellow and black.... please. 8)
And Khaki plz Wiledog I will pay in beer 😄
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Leo on March 10, 2018, 08:13:41 am
I can see one of these in my garage  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 10, 2018, 08:38:52 am
The bellypan/skidplate to ground clearance looks like it could be best-in-class.

The engine, while brilliant, is unfortunately not designed for a D/S bike from scratch, and is the same deep-sumped roadbike unit from the MT-07.

Then again, the only real adventure bikes could only ever be single cylinders, for sure.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Berty77 on March 10, 2018, 10:34:30 am
Kom ons wag maar en kyk, eks amped vir een. Sekerlik 'n verbetering om my huidige Tiger se 3prop.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 10, 2018, 11:50:01 am
The bellypan/skidplate to ground clearance looks like it could be best-in-class.

The engine, while brilliant, is unfortunately not designed for a D/S bike from scratch, and is the same deep-sumped roadbike unit from the MT-07.

Then again, the only real adventure bikes could only ever be single cylinders, for sure.

Engine is reported to put out only 75hp and the prototype was weighing in at 185kg ... probably be over 200kg in road going version without the Akro etc. I doubt ground clearance will be best in class as they have such a tall engine to deal with - they have already cocked the tank up high and I fear COG will be rather high as no evidence of underseat tank. And the prototypee seat height was a wopping 990mm!!  Anyway here is an insight:
https://www.motorcycle-magazine.com/ridden-yamaha-t7-prototype/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 10, 2018, 02:09:32 pm
It's going to be a XT660Z with 20% more power and better suspension. Reliable genuine world tourer. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on March 10, 2018, 03:34:13 pm
Interesting that on the launch of the prototype they are talking that this is the 'big brother' of the WR450 - that it is dirt biased in a big way. I wonder how true that will be once the production bike is launched. Besides the up and coming KTM 790 Adv, what other rivals would there be in the market? I can't really think of any. the 850GS is not as dirt focused. Perhaps this is the start of a new market segment, who knows.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 11:04:10 am
Went to place my order for the white T7. Dealer reckons it should be here by July. Price around R150k
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on March 29, 2018, 11:10:40 am
Went to place my order for the white T7. Dealer reckons it should be here by July. Price around R150k
Really? :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 29, 2018, 11:12:27 am
Went to place my order for the white T7. Dealer reckons it should be here by July. Price around R150k
Wow yet no confirmed pics and specs anywhere yet ! Please share more info.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 11:13:39 am
Went to place my order for the white T7. Dealer reckons it should be here by July. Price around R150k
Really? :o

Really what ? That I'm getting one, or that it will be here in July or the price ?

Went to place my order for the white T7. Dealer reckons it should be here by July. Price around R150k
Wow yet no confirmed pics and specs anywhere yet ! Please share more info.

Thats all I have. We'll see.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on March 29, 2018, 11:27:50 am
That Yamaha expecting the bike to be available in July already!
I reckon that its going to be a winner and may well just be my next bike! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 11:30:56 am
That Yamaha expecting the bike to be available in July already!
I reckon that its going to be a winner and may well just be my next bike! :thumleft:

That is from Butch. He's been saying it for 6 years now. We'll wait. I've wanted this bike since I first rode my 660Z. It should have been on the market 3 years ago already.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on March 29, 2018, 11:36:39 am
Teen die tyd wat die bike uit kom is al ons paaie geteer
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 11:43:37 am
Teen die tyd wat die bike uit kom is al ons paaie geteer

Julle meskien ja, maar ons het darem nog die Ooskaap waar die teerpaaie 'n uitdaging is.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on March 29, 2018, 12:16:36 pm
 :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 12:39:41 pm
This one
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 29, 2018, 12:46:10 pm
That Yamaha expecting the bike to be available in July already!
I reckon that its going to be a winner and may well just be my next bike! :thumleft:

That is from Butch. He's been saying it for 6 years now. We'll wait. I've wanted this bike since I first rode my 660Z. It should have been on the market 3 years ago already.
He did not mean July 2020 ? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Operator on March 29, 2018, 01:15:35 pm
The 660 Tenere rumour mill was running for 2 years.........................and then it was launched.

Then South Africa waited another 12 months before it arrived.

This bike will not be here before end of 2019.  Mid 2019 at the earliest.
Knowing Yamaha, I'm willing to take bets on this. :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on March 29, 2018, 01:17:37 pm
The 660 Tenere rumour mill was running for 2 years.........................and then it was launched.

Then South Africa waited another 12 months before it arrived.

This bike will not be here before end of 2019.  Mid 2019 at the earliest.
Knowing Yamaha, I'm willing to take bets on this. :lol8:

Quite likely.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on March 29, 2018, 01:25:15 pm
Why does the blue  T7 standing on the beach look so different to the white T7 in the pictures? 

The blue one has tanks that extend very low like a rally bike, even below the fairings and the rear of the seat to top of tank height is more level.
The white one's tank looks a little high in the front and the seat lower at the back.

I prefer the design of the blue one. Lower CG and most likely more fuel capacity.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 29, 2018, 01:35:23 pm
I feel the final, production bike, will almost certainly be launched at EICMA (Milan) in November 2018...



I-F SA can get in on the 1st 'batch' of bikes, then likely April/May 2019.


(you must remember, that SA sources from a European Yamaha factory, not Yamaha Japan, and if Europe say needs 7,000 bikes opening order, and the factory produces say 5,000 units in the 1st 'run', then SA could be delayed to say a 2nd 'run'...I guess 3+ months later?


(this happened with the 660 Tenere, just as Operator says, whereby SA got product 12 months later).
Chris
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on March 29, 2018, 01:36:02 pm
The blue one on the beach is the bike being ridden in Oz currently so would imagine very similar to production model?
Yamaha still testing on various continents before release .......Butch is a year premature methinks??
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Single Cylinder on March 29, 2018, 03:16:03 pm
Finally a replacement for the XTZ 750.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on March 31, 2018, 08:24:48 pm
Meant to be testing the proto in Africa as well ... SA maybe?  ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: plonker on April 01, 2018, 07:56:44 pm
Same as 790 Adventure. Still a long way away. I would have thought an Adventure would have been released first but they chose to go with the Duke initially. Shows you what sells the most hey.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on April 01, 2018, 08:19:20 pm
Same as 790 Adventure. Still a long way away. I would have thought an Adventure would have been released first but they chose to go with the Duke initially. Shows you what sells the most hey.

Our market and the adventure market is small compared to the USA and European markets that are more hardtop orientated ... which is also why the DS bikes are leaning more that way too ...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on April 02, 2018, 10:29:17 pm
Meant to be testing the proto in Africa as well ... SA maybe?  ::)
Morocco as far as I know. The 660 was launched there in 2008.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on April 02, 2018, 11:03:03 pm
Meant to be testing the proto in Africa as well ... SA maybe?  ::)
Morocco as far as I know. The 660 was launched there in 2008.

Hmm - ja would make sense ... North Africa ... and Yamaha not strong in SA at the moment  ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: ZooDog on April 09, 2018, 05:32:19 pm
When is this bike coming im now tired of waiting
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rover on April 09, 2018, 07:06:30 pm
Looks good :)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 22, 2018, 10:10:01 am
Spy shots sort of. Looks a little slim on fork travel

https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/yamaha-mt07-t7-adventure-spy-shots
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 22, 2018, 10:20:13 am
Spy shots sort of. Looks a little slim on fork travel

https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/yamaha-mt07-t7-adventure-spy-shots

That is year old.

And regarding suspension, being Yamaha/Japanese mfg, and knowing they are going to build it to price point, it is pretty safe bet that suspension is going to be cheap crap. Which would be fine with me if they would make it at least easily upgradeable - e.g. use 48mm diameter of forks, so one can swap them for plethorea of proper forks without changing the whole front end of the bike. But I think it is pretty safe bet that they are not going to do that either. They will probably put in some 43mm crap they found in their second hand bin.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on May 22, 2018, 10:54:37 am
not so positive about jap bikes anymore for some reason..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 22, 2018, 11:17:27 am
Spy shots sort of. Looks a little slim on fork travel

https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/yamaha-mt07-t7-adventure-spy-shots

That is year old.

Well aware
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 22, 2018, 12:54:34 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 22, 2018, 01:03:24 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere

POS Tenere was one of my favorite bikes. What made it a piece of shit?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 22, 2018, 01:09:27 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere

POS Tenere was one of my favorite bikes. What made it a piece of shit?

You are about the first person I've came across who seems to way, that standard Tenere's suspension was good. In my experience it was horrible - undersprung, bottoming at slightest provocation, rear kicking back dangerously to the point that there were few people who flew over handlebars when they got a bit enthusiastic. Just putting Hyperpro springs in made it uncomparably better. I'm basically not good enough rider to be able to ride on such horrible suspension, so I had it upgraded properly. Then it was OKish, with the rear shock still being big limitation for enthusiastic off tar riding.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 22, 2018, 01:23:23 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere

Well, we are of course speculating here, and I would love to be wrong on this one. But I would bet money that I'm not.

Yamaha is going to compete based on price, not quality of components. At least that is exactly what they did with both Tracers. And when they priced Tenere XT660Z high as they did, they sold about 10 of them (I had one) - and that one didn't even have quality components.

Plus, those standards you use - KTM and BMW are standards only as far as having 30% matric pass rate is a standard. BMW proudly delivers most of their bikes without suspension (X-Challenge/HP2 with airshock and crappy forks, first years 800GS basically didn't have forks), and KTM is learning fast with the low quality forks they are putting on their recent models. I had forks replaced on my 2014 690 as the standard is just crap even after Hilton Hayward treatment. Simple as that. KTM keeps their suspension nowadays only marginally better than competition.

I think the manufacturers just wised up - they are fully aware that most people who buy these 'adventure/rally' bikes rarely take them off tar, and when they do they stick to easy dirt and conservative speeds. And the few who want to ride off-tar with a bit of gusto, will splash out for proper suspension upgrade. That is where KTM still keeps its edge IMO, because they use 48mm dimensions even for their crap suspension, so it is easy swap for something better.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Battlestar on May 22, 2018, 02:31:24 pm
Is this clip new?



Looks awesome?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 22, 2018, 03:00:16 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere

POS Tenere was one of my favorite bikes. What made it a piece of shit?

You are about the first person I've came across who seems to way, that standard Tenere's suspension was good. In my experience it was horrible - undersprung, bottoming at slightest provocation, rear kicking back dangerously to the point that there were few people who flew over handlebars when they got a bit enthusiastic. Just putting Hyperpro springs in made it uncomparably better. I'm basically not good enough rider to be able to ride on such horrible suspension, so I had it upgraded properly. Then it was OKish, with the rear shock still being big limitation for enthusiastic off tar riding.

Xpat, don't misunderstand me, I didn't suggest the standard suspension is good, I was speaking of the bike in totality (I didn't really ask the question in context of the suspension alone, perhaps rather the potential). The standard suspension is pretty very shit but I bought my bike from Wolf Skaap who had already worked the suspension (front and back), put a single pipe, tail tidy, fat bars, wide pegs and had it tuned up and it wasn't turned into a tank with all sorts of other crap like crash bars. So with some mods, the bike is great. Mine was probably about 10kg lighter than the std one too. I had a drag against a KTM690 once and the 690 only pulled ahead by maybe 20m robot to robot so the thing went well too. Bottom line, the bike went well, handled well, had awesome fuel range, looked excellent and was ergonomically excellent other than the step in the seat. I don't know of too many bikes that are good off the showroom floor.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on May 22, 2018, 03:03:11 pm
Is this clip new?



Looks awesome?

Looks new, but they are copying the Honda adv scooter's marketing campaign! :patch:

Anyway, it looks awesome!..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 22, 2018, 03:15:54 pm
I don't think they will put crappy suspension on, they know they are up against KTM and BM for sales, I rate it will be a top range scooter not a POS like the 660 Tenere

Well, we are of course speculating here, and I would love to be wrong on this one. But I would bet money that I'm not.

Yamaha is going to compete based on price, not quality of components. At least that is exactly what they did with both Tracers. And when they priced Tenere XT660Z high as they did, they sold about 10 of them (I had one) - and that one didn't even have quality components.

Plus, those standards you use - KTM and BMW are standards only as far as having 30% matric pass rate is a standard. BMW proudly delivers most of their bikes without suspension (X-Challenge/HP2 with airshock and crappy forks, first years 800GS basically didn't have forks), and KTM is learning fast with the low quality forks they are putting on their recent models. I had forks replaced on my 2014 690 as the standard is just crap even after Hilton Hayward treatment. Simple as that. KTM keeps their suspension nowadays only marginally better than competition.

I think the manufacturers just wised up - they are fully aware that most people who buy these 'adventure/rally' bikes rarely take them off tar, and when they do they stick to easy dirt and conservative speeds. And the few who want to ride off-tar with a bit of gusto, will splash out for proper suspension upgrade. That is where KTM still keeps its edge IMO, because they use 48mm dimensions even for their crap suspension, so it is easy swap for something better.

Coincidentally, you're one of the first people who has admitted that the 690 suspension is crap. I said this ages ago after spending about 250km on one. Doesn't matter what you adjusted, it was harsh and quite frankly, unless you were pinning it full tilt, it just didn't perform. Even then, sharp edge hits would buck you all over the place. I've got a little CRF250 Rally now. The front suspension is very basic but it actually works. The back suspension on the other hand, well, let just say the standard Tenere suspension feels like race bike suspension in comparison.

I have to say however, of all the offroad (dirt bikes) brands I've owned, Yamaha has in general had the best suspension.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on May 22, 2018, 03:26:28 pm
The upper part of the forks at 2:27 in the video can be scaled in relation to the 21 inch front tyre. According to my maths the uppers are around 59.5mm thick.
Hoping that material thickness is around 5mm or so these are a good indication that the forks may in fact be 48's
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 22, 2018, 03:39:43 pm
The upper part of the forks at 2:27 in the video can be scaled in relation to the 21 inch front tyre. According to my maths the uppers are around 59.5mm thick.
Hoping that material thickness is around 5mm or so these are a good indication that the forks may in fact be 48's

It they are, that would be a smart move on the side of Yamaha IMO. Give it some crap simple suspension to keep the price point down for people who will ride it only on tar (most of the target customers - i.e. Europeans), but make it easy to upgrade for the few who want to ride it more enthusiastically. I have no experience with proper Yamaha offroad suspension - i.e. KYB which I believe they own, but people like Wolf Skaap swear by them. So if Yamaha provides the right dimension for forks (and equally easily upgradeable route for shock - on old Tenere the travel was just limited and there was nothing even Ohlins could do about that) and - if they are smart enough - sell aftermarket proper KYB forks and some great quality shock, that would first of all contribute to their top line by selling more crap, and - more importantly probably - create a mystique around the bike because of vastly improved capabilities great suspension gives (even though minority of owners may buy it - but those will be probably the ones posting cool videos on youtube).

Anyway, let's see what happens. I'm not interested in this bike now as I have no use for it for my current type of riding, but that may change in the future and it would be nice to have decent option available then. 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on May 22, 2018, 03:52:22 pm
The upper part of the forks at 2:27 in the video can be scaled in relation to the 21 inch front tyre. According to my maths the uppers are around 59.5mm thick.
Hoping that material thickness is around 5mm or so these are a good indication that the forks may in fact be 48's

It they are, that would be a smart move on the side of Yamaha IMO. Give it some crap simple suspension to keep the price point down for people who will ride it only on tar (most of the target customers - i.e. Europeans), but make it easy to upgrade for the few who want to ride it more enthusiastically. I have no experience with proper Yamaha offroad suspension - i.e. KYB which I believe they own, but people like Wolf Skaap swear by them. So if Yamaha provides the right dimension for forks (and equally easily upgradeable route for shock - on old Tenere the travel was just limited and there was nothing even Ohlins could do about that) and - if they are smart enough - sell aftermarket proper KYB forks and some great quality shock, that would first of all contribute to their top line by selling more crap, and - more importantly probably - create a mystique around the bike because of vastly improved capabilities great suspension gives (even though minority of owners may buy it - but those will be probably the ones posting cool videos on youtube).

Anyway, let's see what happens. I'm not interested in this bike now as I have no use for it for my current type of riding, but that may change in the future and it would be nice to have decent option available then.

When you buy a car you have a list of options to choose from, it baffels me that the DS bike retailers/maunfacturers have not ever thought of giving a option of a upgraded (alternative) suspension to suit the riders needs like,

1. Only road use
2. 50/50
3. Mostly off road / race spec.

Makes perfect sense to me but hay I am only the end user!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 22, 2018, 03:54:46 pm

Coincidentally, you're one of the first people who has admitted that the 690 suspension is crap. I said this ages ago after spending about 250km on one. Doesn't matter what you adjusted, it was harsh and quite frankly, unless you were pinning it full tilt, it just didn't perform. Even then, sharp edge hits would buck you all over the place. I've got a little CRF250 Rally now. The front suspension is very basic but it actually works. The back suspension on the other hand, well, let just say the standard Tenere suspension feels like race bike suspension in comparison.

I have to say however, of all the offroad (dirt bikes) brands I've owned, Yamaha has in general had the best suspension.

To me dumbing down of suspension seems like general trend across the manufacturers and happening even within the same models (690 at the beginning had OK suspension - same as 990 at the time, but over they years they just dumbed it down seriously).

As far as I can tell (and for full disclosure I haven't ridden most of those bikes, just read about them), by far the best suspension on any 'adv' bike was the one on KTM 640 Adventure. Next, 950's suspension, had somewhat compromised suspension in comparison, and it got worse further on with 990 (basically first 950 had the best, last 990, not that great). 690 originally had the same suspension as mid model of 990, and over the years it just got worse, particulaly with 2014 model when they came up with split forks (rebound dampening in one fork, compression in other). Looking at 790 Duke which has unadjustable forks, there seems to be real possibility they may do the same cheap trick on 790 R (they already went from hydro clutch to cable one).

While this is the most pronounced in KTM (mostly because they started on high level), this seems general trend. XT660Z was just plain bad, new AT based on some reports here doesn't seem to be the best either. And even on more dirt oriented bikes like Husky TE610, up to 2009 model (I think) they had proper fully adjustable suspension, later models had more compromised one (something couldn't be set-up - don't remember what), and TE630 had basically the same crap as X-Challenge (forks, shock was much better).

It is sad trend indeed, as suspension is for me together with lightweight the most important attribute of a bike for enjoyment and safety, but I guess that is what market dictates. As long as they make it easy for me to upgrade suspension relatively easily, I'm happy to spend the money to do so.

I'm past the point where I'm willing to have the whole front end (tripple clamps, wheel, etc.) redone, like I did on Tenere to get WP forks fitted in. Not because of the money, but because of the hassle. Plus it never really worked - while the front was great and extremely surefooted, the crap shock (even with Hyperpro spring) in combination with idiotic high rear end design of the bike made it downright dangerous, as few times I almost flew over handlebars kicked by the bike (and there were people who did).
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on May 22, 2018, 06:51:05 pm
Xpat, don't misunderstand me, I didn't suggest the standard suspension is good, I was speaking of the bike in totality (I didn't really ask the question in context of the suspension alone, perhaps rather the potential). The standard suspension is pretty very shit but I bought my bike from Wolf Skaap who had already worked the suspension (front and back), put a single pipe, tail tidy, fat bars, wide pegs and had it tuned up and it wasn't turned into a tank with all sorts of other crap like crash bars. So with some mods, the bike is great. Mine was probably about 10kg lighter than the std one too. I had a drag against a KTM690 once and the 690 only pulled ahead by maybe 20m robot to robot so the thing went well too. Bottom line, the bike went well, handled well, had awesome fuel range, looked excellent and was ergonomically excellent other than the step in the seat. I don't know of too many bikes that are good off the showroom floor.

Haha yes that XTZ was also my favourite adv bike. Seeing as I used enduro bikes / XR's for adv, perhaps my opinion doesn't count for much.

I rode the shit out of that bike and never had any close moments (never even dropped it)

They just require a good set of tires, tuned suspension, as little weight as possible on the back and a little more skill than usual

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on May 22, 2018, 06:58:51 pm
I agree, there is no way that Yamaha will put SSS forks on the T7

I will go out of my way to add them myself.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 23, 2018, 10:05:52 am
Xpat, don't misunderstand me, I didn't suggest the standard suspension is good, I was speaking of the bike in totality (I didn't really ask the question in context of the suspension alone, perhaps rather the potential). The standard suspension is pretty very shit but I bought my bike from Wolf Skaap who had already worked the suspension (front and back), put a single pipe, tail tidy, fat bars, wide pegs and had it tuned up and it wasn't turned into a tank with all sorts of other crap like crash bars. So with some mods, the bike is great. Mine was probably about 10kg lighter than the std one too. I had a drag against a KTM690 once and the 690 only pulled ahead by maybe 20m robot to robot so the thing went well too. Bottom line, the bike went well, handled well, had awesome fuel range, looked excellent and was ergonomically excellent other than the step in the seat. I don't know of too many bikes that are good off the showroom floor.

Haha yes that XTZ was also my favourite adv bike. Seeing as I used enduro bikes / XR's for adv, perhaps my opinion doesn't count for much.

I rode the shit out of that bike and never had any close moments (never even dropped it)

They just require a good set of tires, tuned suspension, as little weight as possible on the back and a little more skill than usual

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And you said it was ridden by a little old lady when I bought the bike     :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on May 25, 2018, 08:20:50 am
So.... Mr Dakar himself, Stephane Peterhansel has taken the T7 out for a little spin....  :drif:   :eek7:  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33432208_10156352414940349_5818355899122581504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1c4b3c05e6ae612e2b3540a4fab546cf&oe=5B86A079)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33339721_10156352414880349_7521783350835544064_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=40ac4818ded0c7695a39f6d2eae0b7a7&oe=5B7FA27A)

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(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33168562_10156352415460349_8918117338054656_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f805493253e09adc66fc20324a1f7869&oe=5B7AEDB5)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33577131_10156352415510349_5299256810174152704_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=577ce0d5352c3344104765337dfa399d&oe=5B87C42F)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33344841_10156352415545349_6049228378605617152_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ce1b903df7b91c0728060d9d55a4da37&oe=5B92C382)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on May 25, 2018, 08:24:54 am
more....   :drif:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32756162_10156336932275349_8660810812333490176_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=98bdec2f3c6ca4e0589516037259ed74&oe=5B83BB8C)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32927080_10156336932085349_8977199346265096192_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=902b083625ad50089b045f8ba2db79bb&oe=5B9345D8)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32804458_10156336932305349_314385867990892544_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=dd70d94dbea24ba0e409abc1760f7034&oe=5BC4B3BA)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32807529_10156336931900349_2988764683546132480_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5c2d743524755bd57dcd363eb4a54f6a&oe=5B798B28)

that is a tall bike...  :patch:
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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 25, 2018, 09:12:10 am
You know this T7 is in all aspects probably better than his (Peterhansel)  YZE 750 Dakar bike ever was however in the eye of the modern "adventure riders" it's going to be heavy, under powered, mediocre suspension  and in general just not good enough  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 25, 2018, 09:34:33 am
So.... Mr Dakar himself, Stephane Peterhansel has taken the T7 out for a little spin....  :drif:   :eek7:  :thumleft:


Ja the Africa leg of the 'World Tour' - Morocco. Waiting for the video.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: XRRX on May 25, 2018, 10:17:13 am
 :3some:

Fliffen awesome looking scoot!!!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 26, 2018, 11:42:22 pm
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on May 29, 2018, 09:17:59 am
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offshore on May 29, 2018, 09:35:13 am
So many new Bikes that are rolled out in the coming Year, to choose one will be very difficult. I have never owned a Yamaha but this looks like the real Deal.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 29, 2018, 10:17:36 am
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on May 29, 2018, 10:33:46 am
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

S10 was also the only incident on our previous group ride.
But I agree that it has okay (no such thing as faultless) suspension.

Anyhow, subscribed
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 29, 2018, 10:42:00 am
Indeed a seriously awesome looking machine, as was the 660Z.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on May 29, 2018, 10:53:09 am
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on May 29, 2018, 11:24:14 am
You know this T7 is in all aspects probably better than his (Peterhansel)  YZE 750 Dakar bike ever was however in the eye of the modern "adventure riders" it's going to be heavy, under powered, mediocre suspension  and in general just not good enough  :lol8:
was it Peterhansel, where there was footage of him riding an R1 in the dunes? These guys are aliens, they can do things we cannot dream of. 😂
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 29, 2018, 11:46:18 am
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
Ek dog jy moet ophou rook vir n AT? ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on May 29, 2018, 12:16:49 pm
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
Ek dog jy moet ophou rook vir n AT? ;)

Vir die AT ja, hoekom dink jy het ek nog nie een nie, maar niks gesę oor die T7 nie  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 31, 2018, 07:26:04 pm
Every time I see this bike I get a semi.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2018, 07:41:31 pm
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

With all respect, you only get cartwheeled forward if your front wheel hits a rut/hole it cannot climb out of.

Nothing to do with suspension, perhaps a small degree of blame on wheel size?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 31, 2018, 11:00:52 pm
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

With all respect, you only get cartwheeled forward if your front wheel hits a rut/hole it cannot climb out of.

Nothing to do with suspension, perhaps a small degree of blame on wheel size?

I was on and XR and the bloke next to me on a 650 transalp. XR is fine cos it's got shit loads of travel but the TA rear bottomed out and then when the suspension is bottomed out and hits the exit ledge, it kicks the rear end up. He was on his front wheel for about five meters but held it together. We stopped to warn the other blokes but we're too late, the oke on the S10 hit the ditch, rear launched up and at about verticle, his front wheel locked to the one side......you can image the rest. It wasn't pretty.

A contributor of course was that it was one of those white sand tracks and this sloot just seemed to be invisible, caught us all out.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on June 01, 2018, 06:07:58 am
Looks like the T7 will only launch finally at EICMA in November and be on floors early 2019 - same as the 790 ....

The T7 World Tour appears to end in Italy so this makes sense. Also clever to be able to take the bike there having had it all over being tested in 'real world conditions'- not rushed to the market.

So we will have the 790 and T7 in the boxing ring together at EICMA in the middleweight Adventure Division  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 01, 2018, 10:13:52 am
Every time I see this bike I get a semi.

Doing things by half-measures?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on June 01, 2018, 07:55:32 pm
Looks like the T7 will only launch finally at EICMA in November and be on floors early 2019 - same as the 790 ....

The T7 World Tour appears to end in Italy so this makes sense. Also clever to be able to take the bike there having had it all over being tested in 'real world conditions'- not rushed to the market.

So we will have the 790 and T7 in the boxing ring together at EICMA in the middleweight Adventure Division  :biggrin:
I'm going to be there this year  :thumleft:
Can't wait
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on June 02, 2018, 11:42:26 am
I guess the MT07 engine will be tuned for low down torque, but the fuel consumption seems to be great. it won't need a tank bigger than 18-19L perhaps. But, a bigger tank would give it awesome range. 50kw is enough, if they can just keep the weight down. The MT07 is around 180kg wet. if they could somehow make magic happen and get it around 200kg wet..blah blah..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 02, 2018, 11:48:32 am
Looks like the T7 will only launch finally at EICMA in November and be on floors early 2019 - same as the 790 ....

The T7 World Tour appears to end in Italy so this makes sense. Also clever to be able to take the bike there having had it all over being tested in 'real world conditions'- not rushed to the market.

So we will have the 790 and T7 in the boxing ring together at EICMA in the middleweight Adventure Division  :biggrin:

Cannot wait to see how they will compare. One thing against the T7 is that they did not, like KTM, go for a all-new engine design, but used an existing roadbike mill.

For the T7 is that this existing engine is a thoroughly proven and tested one. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 02, 2018, 02:49:39 pm
Looks like the T7 will only launch finally at EICMA in November and be on floors early 2019 - same as the 790 ....

The T7 World Tour appears to end in Italy so this makes sense. Also clever to be able to take the bike there having had it all over being tested in 'real world conditions'- not rushed to the market.

So we will have the 790 and T7 in the boxing ring together at EICMA in the middleweight Adventure Division  :biggrin:

Cannot wait to see how they will compare. One thing against the T7 is that they did not, like KTM, go for a all-new engine design, but used an existing roadbike mill.

For the T7 is that this existing engine is a thoroughly proven and tested one. :thumleft:

Dan I did ride the MT07 when it came out in SA (Can't recall now if it was 2013 or 14) and my first impression not that I know to much about dual purpose bikes was that it will work better for a dp bike than what I felt as a road-bike directly compared at that stage to the DL650 I was riding daily which was much smoother and solid on the asphalt.  The MT07 even felt more torque'y than the Triumph XC which one really had to rev to start making things happen. The front-end was very light under acceleration right from the start on the MT07 although it did rev freely to the topend. That is why they made the swingarm longer in the Tracer 07, the usable torque was just immediately available on the MT07. That is why in my opinion they did not use the MT09 tripple engine like many people reasoned 'why?" because compared to Triumph XCX that would have made sense. The MT07 engine is just so much better suited for a dual purpose bike and it shows that Yamaha have a lot of clever people actually thinking thing over and maybe taking advice from the right people if that makes sense. MT stands for Master of Torque and I think they got it just right in the MT07 mill.

As for the KTM 790. My only experience is on what I have read and I can only base my opinion on just that. The motor dimensions is so small that every tester thus far said it looks like a single - very compact design. I have read that KTM has tested this mill and they quote crazy distance in km's which I would rather not quote because it might have been a tipo. It sounds like they have done their homework, and based on the feedback of the testers last week at the bike show that did do rounds at Kayalami on the 790 Duke it sounds good. Only thing that make me wonder is that they compare (which is relevant to the Duke) the bike with the Triumph Street triple and 'prefer it over the triple' and I know that the 'Street triple was recently reworked and very popular road-bike. They say that the 790 is 'rev hungry' and likes to be revved above 7000rpm because 'then it comes alive'.......well that is not what we want in a Dual purpose bike right? Only to come alive above 7000rpm but then this is just some testers opinions. Maybe the 790 Adv will have a heavier flywheel, and mapped differently to deliver more torque in the low to midrange or maybe the journalist was just a 'rev hungry rider?"

The thing that makes this interesting is that we have been talking about these bikes for years already, and now finally it is a lot closer to the release dates. I hope that both these bikes will live up to our expectation!! I also silently hope that I will find a pot of gold to buy the one i like  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on June 02, 2018, 09:53:04 pm
Looks like the T7 will only launch finally at EICMA in November and be on floors early 2019 - same as the 790 ....

The T7 World Tour appears to end in Italy so this makes sense. Also clever to be able to take the bike there having had it all over being tested in 'real world conditions'- not rushed to the market.

So we will have the 790 and T7 in the boxing ring together at EICMA in the middleweight Adventure Division  :biggrin:

Cannot wait to see how they will compare. One thing against the T7 is that they did not, like KTM, go for a all-new engine design, but used an existing roadbike mill.

For the T7 is that this existing engine is a thoroughly proven and tested one. :thumleft:
Not so sure about that.

KTM still needs to prove themselves when it comes to rolling out new motors.
Did they finally fix the rocker arm bug and borderline fatal airbox design flaws on the 690? If so, how many years later?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on June 02, 2018, 09:56:54 pm

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Cannot wait to see how they will compare. One thing against the T7 is that they did not, like KTM, go for a all-new engine design, but used an existing roadbike mill.

For the T7 is that this existing engine is a thoroughly proven and tested heavy one. :thumleft:
[/quote]
Not so sure about that.

KTM still needs to prove themselves when it comes to rolling out new motors.
Did they finally fix the rocker arm bug on the 690? If so, how many years later?
[/quote]

Yam is a proven heavy engine.
Husky fixed the rocker arm for them.
KTM is testing the 790 engine in the Duke for us.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 13, 2018, 03:07:09 pm
The king puts the T7 through it's paces



Enable CC if you don't speak French  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: mtr89 on July 14, 2018, 12:04:57 pm
Every time I see this bike I get a semi.

Doing things by half-measures?
So what happens if you look twice? :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: MiniDan on July 17, 2018, 09:44:59 pm
https://youtu.be/xQ0vv8nDu-I

Really like the look of this...


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 18, 2018, 07:51:40 am
https://youtu.be/xQ0vv8nDu-I

Really like the look of this...


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It does look good, and not only cosmetically. Good ground clearance, suspension and a motor with the right characteristics for this type of game.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 18, 2018, 07:59:07 am
It got out of shape a little a few times in that video of Mr Dakar......

I nearly convinced myself to buy a 07 Tracer this weekend. Some dealers are doing them for 110k which is serious value for money but I'll wait for EICMA. Hopefully they show the production version of this concept. That fuel tank looks tiny though
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 18, 2018, 08:00:15 am
It got out of shape a little a few times in that video of Mr Dakar......

I nearly convinced myself to buy a 07 Tracer this weekend. Some dealers are doing them for 110k which is serious value for money but I'll wait for EICMA. Hopefully they show the production version of this concept. That fuel tank looks tiny though
He is just a bit rusty on a bike  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 08:39:22 am
10 days to go ....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 09:32:34 am
Got to love Photoshop  8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 10:02:35 am
Lets see ...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 26, 2018, 12:39:24 pm
Lets see ...

What a rich heritage......
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Lourens ツ on October 26, 2018, 12:54:11 pm
Lets see ...

Would this not be more accurate?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 26, 2018, 01:05:29 pm
Lets see ...

Would this not be more accurate?
Guess so but I did not count Super Tenere models although the new T7 is also a twin  :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 27, 2018, 12:16:27 pm
9 days to go
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: steveindar on October 27, 2018, 12:38:53 pm
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

With all respect, you only get cartwheeled forward if your front wheel hits a rut/hole it cannot climb out of.

Nothing to do with suspension, perhaps a small degree of blame on wheel size?

I did a grand forward somersault on my first Tenere back in "84 on the desert run through Botswana. Hit the outgoing lip of a large pothole which lifted the front and loaded the back. When the back wheel hit the same lip the whole bangshoot got launched into a forward summy. Left me and the bike not well off.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 27, 2018, 02:06:41 pm
https://youtu.be/P3W7pDgh4Cc
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 27, 2018, 08:26:28 pm
https://youtu.be/P3W7pDgh4Cc

I really like the looks of this bike, it's hardly wider across the crank than the width of the front forks.

You'd also get a very far range with those nice alloy fuel tanks on the back.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 27, 2018, 10:58:20 pm
https://youtu.be/P3W7pDgh4Cc
This is basicly the bike they have been teasing us with, EICMA will reveal hopefully something not far from it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 27, 2018, 11:57:26 pm
8 days to go
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 28, 2018, 08:21:28 am
https://youtu.be/P3W7pDgh4Cc
This is basicly the bike they have been teasing us with, EICMA will reveal hopefully something not far from it.

Exactly - T7 Interuptus forever  ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: evansv on October 28, 2018, 01:09:11 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 08:01:53 am
Interesting AT engine 86kg, MT07 49kg. Hoping they can keep this bike to the 660Z's weight at least maybe even lighter.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 08:02:45 am
Oh yes 1 week to  go
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on October 29, 2018, 09:03:27 am
saw a comment on facebook that expected release is now 2020?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 09:07:13 am
saw a comment on facebook that expected release is now 2020?
That would be dumb
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 29, 2018, 11:36:57 am
saw a comment on facebook that expected release is now 2020?

 :imaposer:  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on October 29, 2018, 11:44:57 am
saw a comment on facebook that expected release is now 2020?
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Can't see that being true. Then they might as well not have bothered.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on October 29, 2018, 12:54:27 pm
I have money on it that the T7 will come in under 180 wet
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 01:00:16 pm
I have money on it that the T7 will come in under 180 wet
It will sell like hotcakes
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 01:03:42 pm
Lets hope they fitted some KYB SSS suspension to it as well.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on October 29, 2018, 01:07:36 pm
By the time they launch it, it'll be an electric bike  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on October 29, 2018, 01:54:04 pm
I have started playing Lotto again, just for one of these.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 29, 2018, 03:00:14 pm
Lets hope they fitted some KYB SSS suspension to it as well.

They seemed to have on the protos. KYB are virtually the best pogos at present  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on October 30, 2018, 06:44:29 am
I have money on it that the T7 will come in under 180 wet

MT07 naked is 180 wet . Can't go much lighter than that
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on October 30, 2018, 07:00:07 am
Lets hope they fitted some KYB SSS suspension to it as well.

They seemed to have on the protos. KYB are virtually the best pogos at present  :thumleft:
Speculation is that they will be 43mm. Why? On a 200kg 'off road' bike? I have 43mm on my 95kg Freeride and at times I wish they were the typical 48's. How much extra would it have cost them to spec larger forks and triples?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on October 30, 2018, 10:54:14 am
Lets hope they fitted some KYB SSS suspension to it as well.

They seemed to have on the protos. KYB are virtually the best pogos at present  :thumleft:
Speculation is that they will be 43mm. Why? On a 200kg 'off road' bike? I have 43mm on my 95kg Freeride and at times I wish they were the typical 48's. How much extra would it have cost them to spec larger forks and triples?
That is the same size forks on my 250
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on October 30, 2018, 11:43:55 am
Triumph Tigers have 43" WPs. And Triumph owners are quick to point out that they have amazing "KTM" suspension  :pot: :pot:

Although I have a sneaky suspicion that the 790, or at least one or the models may have the 43s too
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on October 30, 2018, 12:41:10 pm
Both the T7 and 790adv are papsak fatties! The PR7 is the answer IMO!..or an adventurized 701/690..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on October 30, 2018, 01:17:30 pm
Don't know why, but this bike tickles my excitement more than the KTM 790. Perhaps it's the narrower look?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on October 30, 2018, 02:33:30 pm
Don't know why, but this bike tickles my excitement more than the KTM 790. Perhaps it's the narrower look?

But way taller in front - that is the dilemma with this type of twin. KTM solved it by slinging the gas tank down low like hang tiete and Yamaha have solved it by making the tank taller in front like a silicone boob job. The KTM keeps the COG low - the Yammie will suffer from top heaviness like the porno queen.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on October 30, 2018, 02:40:47 pm
Don't know why, but this bike tickles my excitement more than the KTM 790. Perhaps it's the narrower look?
Although the 790's looks are growing on me It's still butt ugly,,,looking at the Yammi on the other hand eliminates the need for viagra!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on November 01, 2018, 01:08:21 pm
As long as you like sheep or speak French ... the bike for you.

Like the one with Benevedes (S/America)

Africa
https://youtu.be/41fSt7C9jw4?t=133 (https://youtu.be/41fSt7C9jw4?t=133)

S/America
https://youtu.be/R-4_rYHMg2w?t=2 (https://youtu.be/R-4_rYHMg2w?t=2)

Aus
https://youtu.be/KmVcj6OUaPI?t=4 (https://youtu.be/KmVcj6OUaPI?t=4)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on November 02, 2018, 10:08:46 am
Times are few. Anticipation is high. I have never been this excited to see a new model
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 02, 2018, 11:34:42 am
Times are few. Anticipation is high. I have never been this excited to see a new model
Hopefully only 3 days to go !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 02, 2018, 12:35:18 pm
Times are few. Anticipation is high. I have never been this excited to see a new model
Hopefully only 3 days to go !

Will they release specs as well? Weight, etc...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 02, 2018, 01:39:21 pm
Times are few. Anticipation is high. I have never been this excited to see a new model
Hopefully only 3 days to go !

Will they release specs as well? Weight, etc...

As a general rule yes, they release all the specs.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 02, 2018, 02:04:06 pm
Times are few. Anticipation is high. I have never been this excited to see a new model
Hopefully only 3 days to go !

Will they release specs as well? Weight, etc...

As a general rule yes, they release all the specs.

Thanks! :thumleftLooking forward to see that!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 04, 2018, 08:58:28 pm
I don't have Facebook, let us know when you see or hear anything  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 09:25:13 pm
Hopefully this is false alarm, but there were quite a few rumours floating around internet about it being delayed further - either due to AvB not being happy with suspension or (more likely) uncertainity about upcoming Euro 5.

Here are latest pictures from EICMA, and at least on these it looks like the prototype and not final product - no passenger footpegs (as far as I'm concerned this bike shouldn't have them, but if it is final product I would expect them there), no flickers as far as I can see...

But maybe I'm just hearing and seeing ghosts, wouldn't be first time  :imaposer:

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/yama-1-jpg.1416151/)

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/yama-2-jpg.1416152/)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 09:27:52 pm
That tank also looks pretty small and stupid high. I really want to see what the COG of this thing will be...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on November 05, 2018, 12:38:43 pm
I also think that's the prototype, albeit a later version than the one in the background. If it is the final product (complete with Akro????) then it's not for me, unless it comes in at a very good price. The question is how much are you prepared to pay for KTM's shorter motor, low tanks (and I don't care what anyone says about droop boobs they are the way to go from a function perspective), lower - and I would suggest significantly lower - COG, beefier suspension, higher torque motor, better padded seat for pillion and lower seat height and a couple other things I like about the 790.
As for the high tank on the T7. I had the original 600 Tenere. On a Monday morning I had to constantly remind myself not to drop it into the first corner on the way to work with a full tank...particularly after riding my IT 200 all day Sunday the day before. It was downright dangerous if you didn't think about it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on November 05, 2018, 01:28:26 pm
https://advrider.com/f/attachments/bad9fa6b-2985-4418-aa58-9cfe97779a16-jpeg.1417248/ (https://advrider.com/f/attachments/bad9fa6b-2985-4418-aa58-9cfe97779a16-jpeg.1417248/)
This just cropped up on advrider, looks like the production version
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Cracker on November 05, 2018, 02:06:46 pm
In desperate need of a tail-tidy .................. 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 02:28:45 pm
Getting close, what is in the crate
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 05, 2018, 02:30:03 pm
what is in the crate

Dink Brad Pitt in Seven  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on November 05, 2018, 03:39:35 pm
https://advrider.com/f/attachments/bad9fa6b-2985-4418-aa58-9cfe97779a16-jpeg.1417248/ (https://advrider.com/f/attachments/bad9fa6b-2985-4418-aa58-9cfe97779a16-jpeg.1417248/)
This just cropped up on advrider, looks like the production version

Please post pictures
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2018, 03:42:38 pm
I also think that's the prototype, albeit a later version than the one in the background. If it is the final product (complete with Akro????) then it's not for me, unless it comes in at a very good price. The question is how much are you prepared to pay for KTM's shorter motor, low tanks (and I don't care what anyone says about droop boobs they are the way to go from a function perspective), lower - and I would suggest significantly lower - COG, beefier suspension, higher torque motor, better padded seat for pillion and lower seat height and a couple other things I like about the 790.
As for the high tank on the T7. I had the original 600 Tenere. On a Monday morning I had to constantly remind myself not to drop it into the first corner on the way to work with a full tank...particularly after riding my IT 200 all day Sunday the day before. It was downright dangerous if you didn't think about it.

|The KTM is not going to have "beefier suspension" - the Xplor suspension is rather kak (read: cost saving). The Yamaha may well have KYB SSS which is probably the best out there at present on a production  bike like this.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 03:44:05 pm
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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: drewdza on November 05, 2018, 03:47:22 pm
Pics from ADVrider
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2018, 03:58:36 pm
What poor Photoshopping  ???
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on November 05, 2018, 04:50:56 pm
I also think that's the prototype, albeit a later version than the one in the background. If it is the final product (complete with Akro????) then it's not for me, unless it comes in at a very good price. The question is how much are you prepared to pay for KTM's shorter motor, low tanks (and I don't care what anyone says about droop boobs they are the way to go from a function perspective), lower - and I would suggest significantly lower - COG, beefier suspension, higher torque motor, better padded seat for pillion and lower seat height and a couple other things I like about the 790.
As for the high tank on the T7. I had the original 600 Tenere. On a Monday morning I had to constantly remind myself not to drop it into the first corner on the way to work with a full tank...particularly after riding my IT 200 all day Sunday the day before. It was downright dangerous if you didn't think about it.

|The KTM is not going to have "beefier suspension" - the Xplor suspension is rather kak (read: cost saving). The Yamaha may well have KYB SSS which is probably the best out there at present on a production  bike like this.
By 'beefier' I mean 48 vs 43 mm of the Yamaha. Internals I can work with to improve if they are the Xplor's we have seen. But if the 43's flex, or have any sort of cost cutting then its a whole change, right back to the triples. Not saying that it might end up like this, but we only have to look at the flex problems on the AT (and yes I know they have other design problems like weird bush spacing) to know that I don't want that expense. In all honesty I will be pretty surprised to see true SSS on a bike like this which is going to have to meet a price cost point.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: XTZFegen on November 05, 2018, 05:27:21 pm
In desperate need of a tail-tidy ..................

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 06:03:01 pm
 :happy1:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 06:28:15 pm
:happy1:
Jeez I was sitting watching EICMA from 2016  :o
Anyway here is a link for the show starting in about 30 mins

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: XRRX on November 05, 2018, 06:45:15 pm
:happy1:
Jeez I was sitting watching EICMA from 2016  :o
Anyway here is a link for the show starting in about 30 mins



 :lol8: :lol8: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 08:03:40 pm
Here we go ....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 08:14:26 pm
Specs
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 08:18:20 pm
.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2018, 08:31:00 pm
Overall length
2,365 mm
Overall width
915 mm
Overall height
1,455 mm
Saddle height
880 mm
wheelbase
1,590 mm
Minimal ground clearance
240 mm
Weight all full facts
205 kg
Fuel tank capacity
16 L

Edit: front suspensio : 21cm
Bask suspension: 20 cm

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 08:42:05 pm
Its a whale! :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 05, 2018, 08:42:16 pm
I'm just that little bit underwhelmed  :spitcoffee:
Less suspension travel than my 1994 Africa Twin RD07 and about the same weight too. My @ is currently tank empty weight sitting at 197kg after I replaced some heavy parts (battery, Zorst etc.) with lighter ones.
Sure there will be a generation gap when you compare the 1994 Africa Twin to the new T7 with the new bike being the better package overall in modern terms. Was hoping for decent suspension and 250mm travel on
both ends at least. I'll keep my XRV Africa Twin and finetune that to keep me entertained in the meantime...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 08:49:10 pm
Overall length
2,365 mm
Overall width
915 mm
Overall height
1,455 mm
Saddle height
880 mm
wheelbase
1,590 mm
Minimal ground clearance
240 mm
Weight all full facts
205 kg
Fuel tank capacity
16 L

Edit: front suspensio : 21cm
Bask suspension: 20 cm

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...

Amen to this:

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 08:52:21 pm
Overall length
2,365 mm
Overall width
915 mm
Overall height
1,455 mm
Saddle height
880 mm
wheelbase
1,590 mm
Minimal ground clearance
240 mm
Weight all full facts
205 kg
Fuel tank capacity
16 L

Edit: front suspensio : 21cm
Bask suspension: 20 cm

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...

Amen to this:

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...


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Is that wet weight/with fuel?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dux on November 05, 2018, 08:54:20 pm
Overall length
2,365 mm
Overall width
915 mm
Overall height
1,455 mm
Saddle height
880 mm
wheelbase
1,590 mm
Minimal ground clearance
240 mm
Weight all full facts
205 kg
Fuel tank capacity
16 L

Edit: front suspensio : 21cm
Bask suspension: 20 cm

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...

Amen to this:

Good luck Yamaha, you will need it...


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Is that wet weight/with fuel?

Yes , full tank of fuel , ready to ride
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 08:54:58 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 08:57:37 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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Not gonna work for groceries! Too many speedhumps in parking areas! :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 08:57:58 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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Not gonna work for groceries! Too many speedhumps in parking areas! :lol8:
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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 05, 2018, 08:58:16 pm
I'm convinced I'm better off sinking R50K of upgrades into my 1994 XRV750 and end up with a more capable bike.

The T7 is obviously designed for the world market and to make this an accessible option for average Joe and Joanne the suspension travel was capped at normal ADV bike standards to around 200mm. They will sell more bikes t
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 09:04:17 pm
Don't worry guys. Its not the end of the world!

Edit: @MaxThePanda took this picture in the Karoo somewhere. Last week I think..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 05, 2018, 09:24:05 pm
And now for the next best information - apparently available only in 2020.
Yamaha - you lost me there...

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 09:24:39 pm
Hang on to the existing Teneres, my 250 Rslly has the same diameyer forks and more travel than the T7
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2018, 09:30:36 pm
And now for the next best information - apparently available only in 2020.
Yamaha - you lost me there...

That is US only. Europe expected june 2019 (why so late dont know), Oz/NZ (and i guess SA) late 2019.

The only thing that can make this work imo is very very friendly price.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2018, 09:34:12 pm
Hang on to the existing Teneres, my 250 Rslly has the same diameyer forks and more travel than the T7

Well i didnt like current Tenere at all even though i mistakenly owned it for few years, but one (probably only) thing it had going for it was great crashability - no need for crashbars and such. The new one by the look of things will require at least 10kg of those.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 05, 2018, 09:36:38 pm
Hang on to the existing Teneres, my 250 Rslly has the same diameyer forks and more travel than the T7

Well i didnt like current Tenere at all even though i mistakenly owned it for few years, but one (probably only) thing it had going for it was great crashability - no need for crashbars and such. The new one by the look of things will require at least 10kg of those.

Really? You "mistakenly" owned a motorcycle for a few years?? :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Gérrard on November 05, 2018, 09:38:57 pm
OK, I will let go my breath and carry on with life. Bar pose value, there's nothing this bike can do that my KLR cannot also do, and even maybe better.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on November 05, 2018, 09:40:15 pm
Hang on to the existing Teneres, my 250 Rslly has the same diameyer forks and more travel than the T7

Well i didnt like current Tenere at all even though i mistakenly owned it for few years, but one (probably only) thing it had going for it was great crashability - no need for crashbars and such. The new one by the look of things will require at least 10kg of those.

Really? You "mistakenly" owned a motorcycle for a few years?? :imaposer: :imaposer:

Yes,i thought i could turn it into motorcycle by throwing lots of money on it. I know,i know -what was i thinking, she wasnt even hot. 🤪

Edit: and just for my defence, she seemed pretty hot compared to BBW 1150 i was replacing.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: boland on November 05, 2018, 09:43:27 pm
Seems like Yamaha has some excellent bean counters
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buff on November 05, 2018, 09:48:07 pm
I'm bitterly disappointed, I was expecting a lot more from this bike  :-\ On the one hand I'm relieved though because I won't be having sleepless nights trying to find ways to afford it. For now my 690 will stay put.

The fact that the 790 prototype is on display at eicma leads me to believe they won't be launching it now either.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 05, 2018, 09:52:56 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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I have done many thousands of real tech kays on worse suspension. You wanna tour or pose?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Buff on November 05, 2018, 10:04:38 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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I have done many thousands of real tech kays on worse suspension. You wanna tour or pose?

True but did you pay R180K for the bike? If I'm going to splash out that kinda cash then it needs to be flash  ;D
For close to the same price I could buy a Husky 701 in rally spec that looks better, is lighter and has a longer fuel range.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: teebag on November 05, 2018, 10:18:21 pm
That is US only. Europe expected june 2019 (why so late dont know), Oz/NZ (and i guess SA) late 2019.

They announced the US models will be built in Japan, the rest France, maybe that is the reason for the difference in release dates.

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/specs-and-availability-released-for-much-anticipated-tenere-700/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 10:28:43 pm
What the fuck are you supposed to do with 43 forks and 21cm travel? Groceries?


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I have done many thousands of real tech kays on worse suspension. You wanna tour or pose?

When I’m not posing I like to know I have a long-travel suspension to help me through my mistakes ;)

But for interest sake, which bike you talking about?


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 05, 2018, 10:38:23 pm
The 660 also had about 200mm front suspension and I think 180 at the back (less than n GS). I weighed more than the T7 wet or at least very close so if nothing else uou will get better power to weight ratio but the Z had the thumper motor abd proper Tenere big tank
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 05, 2018, 10:46:49 pm
The low seat height will sell to the shortish people as well as the tallish people who feel challenged by seat height. Good for them. The T7 should sell well in the open market then.
For the rest of us it's an equation of too many fucking great possibilities left unanswered and they made us wait for it like 2 years with never-ending hype crap. 
I'm not waiting for any other manufacturer again. I'll rather build my own bike from the bits and pieces I have and can get.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2018, 10:48:54 pm
I feel sure the continued delay in release dates is due to them still battling to get it Euro 4/5 compliant. It certainly seems to be mutton dressed up as lamb. Pity as the 790 needs some competition in the Weight Watchers category. It is sad in some respects to see the alternative being excitement over a tummy tucked and facelifted old tech Husky 630 when we thought we were getting cutting edge T7 and 790 R&D and new technological advances.  :-\
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on November 05, 2018, 11:14:03 pm
Wasted so much time, googling this sad excuse for a 690 competitor.

Kinda glad that I'm only interested in MX at the moment.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 05, 2018, 11:23:01 pm
Another eye opener is the fact that the original 2008 F800GS basically has very similar specs in terms of weight, suspension. and overall package. Nothing new here. So what we have is a Yamaha interpretation of a 2008 BMW with less power and torque but a face lifted appearance to make it 2019 compliant. Sadly true. :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Grumpleton on November 06, 2018, 06:34:29 am
the way these bikes are specked , I will stick to my 15 year old bike, it is approximately the same weight, i have more power, better suspension, better looking , and the only thing I loose is fuel consumption, oh and I dont need any fancy electronic thingemyjigs to service my bike  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 06:36:25 am
No surprises here so not a let down I think. But in a world of keyless, TFT, and loads of electronics, this has to be priced at 140 in the current market or it's dead in the water
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: trevo on November 06, 2018, 06:42:35 am
As exciting as kissing your sister  :(
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on November 06, 2018, 06:43:47 am
Like everyone else I'm a little underwhelmed. Sad, because Yamaha has a wealth of experience - and a brand name in the Tenere to capitalise on - to make this a truly significant bike. I think they chose the wrong motor, it just meant too many compromises all round which led to poor ground clearance (and thus minimal suspension travel), fairly tall seat height (with what looks like a bit of a plank for the seat), long wheelbase, high COG. It will be interesting when the 790 is out to do an overlay of the silhouettes of the 790 on top of the T7. I think the Yammie will stick out all around the KTM, except maybe for that godawful preying mantis up front.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Avontier on November 06, 2018, 06:48:51 am
Yamaha used the same recipe as with the 1200 Super Tenere. Massive hype, massive weight, with no real punch.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 07:00:38 am
Like everyone else I'm a little underwhelmed. Sad, because Yamaha has a wealth of experience - and a brand name in the Tenere to capitalise on - to make this a truly significant bike. I think they chose the wrong motor, it just meant too many compromises all round which led to poor ground clearance (and thus minimal suspension travel), fairly tall seat height (with what looks like a bit of a plank for the seat), long wheelbase, high COG. It will be interesting when the 790 is out to do an overlay of the silhouettes of the 790 on top of the T7. I think the Yammie will stick out all around the KTM, except maybe for that godawful preying mantis up front.

I think the KTM with its hang tiete will stick out down under more  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 07:03:30 am
No surprises here so not a let down I think. But in a world of keyless, TFT, and loads of electronics, this has to be priced at 140 in the current market or it's dead in the water

Doubt it will compete at 140K but who knows where the ZAR will be by the time this fatmama unicorn arrives on these shores.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: fcprinsloo7@gmail.com on November 06, 2018, 08:15:42 am
https://advrider.com/official-no-tenere-700-until-2nd-half-2020-eicma-2018/

Tenere 700 will only be unveiled in 2020.  And launched in 2021.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on November 06, 2018, 08:57:14 am
Yamaha used the same recipe as with the 1200 Super Tenere. Massive hype, massive weight, with no real punch.

But it will be reliable, so its awesome!  :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on November 06, 2018, 09:00:25 am
https://advrider.com/official-no-tenere-700-until-2nd-half-2020-eicma-2018/

Tenere 700 will only be unveiled in 2020.  And launched in 2021.

Cool. By that time the average critic will be a little older and a little fatter. Whilst the bike might be lighter.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: XTZFegen on November 06, 2018, 01:21:11 pm
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Looks like the 990 on a diet to me...not sure what all the fuss is about. If you guys want a 990 then go buy one, don't have to wait till 2020.
 :lol8:  :pot:  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 01:30:57 pm
 :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 06, 2018, 02:09:47 pm
Well, for everyone that was disappointed (and complained)  when they stopped manufacturing the 660Z, here is your replacement!!
Will it also be labelled a bit heavy and underpowered, but a nice tourer?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on November 06, 2018, 03:54:23 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: 

I think the Yamaha offroad division resigned and went over to work for Triumph.  The new Triumph scrambler had bugger all of this teasing marketing shit and came out with a whopper of a bike, far better than this by the looks of it.

Can't say I'm surprised though. My 250 Rally is starting to look like real good value for money   :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 06, 2018, 04:47:14 pm
Ja nee, my 701 lyk nou nog meer aantreklik as ooit tevore.
Lyk my Yamaha gebruik ook hulle Motogp tegnologie in die nuwe bike, want die een het ook maar `n skraal kans om op n podium te eindig.
Ek gaan nou eers wegkruip, 2SD gaan my (soos ander Stellenbosch trawante) kom kap met `n byl...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 06, 2018, 08:05:51 pm
Ja nee, my 701 lyk nou nog meer aantreklik as ooit tevore.
Lyk my Yamaha gebruik ook hulle Motogp tegnologie in die nuwe bike, want die een het ook maar `n skraal kans om op n podium te eindig.
Ek gaan nou eers wegkruip, 2SD gaan my (soos ander Stellenbosch trawante) kom kap met `n byl...

Australian MotoGP....... :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dux on November 06, 2018, 08:09:58 pm
And Sepang before Rossi's brainfade  :(
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 06, 2018, 08:14:20 pm
Wow. Twee! :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 08:18:03 pm
Wonder if it will release in another colour scheme as well. The Z had about 3 schemes I think when sold to the public.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: roxenz on November 07, 2018, 09:00:38 am
Somehow this whole T7 "launch" / "revealing" whatever hoopla just seems like a non-event. Wake me up when something real happens...   :sleepy2:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 07, 2018, 09:56:22 am
How difficult is it for Yamaha to build a 690 clone put KYB SSS suspension on their and slap a 25L tank on ala 1984 XT600 Tenere and keep weight to 160 kg. Yes I know euro this and that but if KTM can get a single compliant surely the Japanese can too. If KTM admitted they kept going with the 690 as plenty of people still want a single. You can build a twin 700 as a Super Tenere or whatever for those who want it but for goodness sake give us a light single.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on November 07, 2018, 10:17:19 am
I actually still like the bike. It is what it is, and I am sure that it will sell well. As for unrealistic expectations from some. Sorry, but a couple of guys at the southern end of Africa can't expect to trump a corporation.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Odd Dog on November 08, 2018, 08:32:41 am
https://advrider.com/official-no-tenere-700-until-2nd-half-2020-eicma-2018/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=11_07_2018

Methinks we will be the same.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on November 08, 2018, 12:28:47 pm
If Yamaha can put all the effort into building THIS, then what is their problem? Why does the T7 fail to meet expectations, and will also only be delivered in 2 years' time? - I know it's not in the same class, but this bike with a T7 motor, converted to a consumer class machine? Why not? Possible? No? Yes?

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on November 08, 2018, 12:53:24 pm
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 09, 2018, 06:49:22 am
Wonder if it will release in another colour scheme as well. The Z had about 3 schemes I think when sold to the public.

Red and white plus charcoal models at EICMA

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Breekbeen on November 09, 2018, 06:54:26 am
If Yamaha can put all the effort into building THIS, then what is their problem? Why does the T7 fail to meet expectations, and will also only be delivered in 2 years' time? - I know it's not in the same class, but this bike with a T7 motor, converted to a consumer class machine? Why not? Possible? No? Yes?

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45688904_10160968212255487_4810021943094804480_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=00b097c773367d8043fe392d0b424d85&oe=5C7CEC8C)

You can buy that..........
https://rally.dragondistribution.fr/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 09, 2018, 08:04:28 am
Wonder if it will release in another colour scheme as well. The Z had about 3 schemes I think when sold to the public.

Red and white plus charcoal models at EICMA


Thanks prefer the red to the blue
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 09, 2018, 08:12:15 am
By 2021 the fashion colours will have changed  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Boerbok on November 09, 2018, 08:35:40 am

You can buy that..........
https://rally.dragondistribution.fr/

€28000 excl shipping and tax... Thats about 3x Africa Twins...  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on November 09, 2018, 08:49:33 am
By 2021 the fashion colours will have changed  :imaposer:

Isn't it next year? That's what they said at the launch..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on November 09, 2018, 08:02:44 pm
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 09, 2018, 09:34:55 pm
Not waiting another 2 years for this kind of crap hype. Fuck them. There are other scalps that need cutting - and other more available options.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Skolla on November 10, 2018, 11:23:56 am
Looks more like a new WR than a XTZ for me,seat is not suitable for a pillion either,but,it look very nice.Only my opinion ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on November 10, 2018, 02:14:57 pm
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.

Haha look I've got my very own troll! New heights. I wasn't actually referring to you personally but if you identify with the keyboard jockeys so be it...

When I said my expectations are met I did not actually mean everyone's was met. Just mine. If you got duped by marketing that's not my issue. I wanted a 660z with a twin motor. Hey Presto.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 10, 2018, 03:41:09 pm
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.

Haha look I've got my very own troll! New heights. I wasn't actually referring to you personally but if you identify with the keyboard jockeys so be it...

When I said my expectations are met I did not actually mean everyone's was met. Just mine. If you got duped by marketing that's not my issue. I wanted a 660z with a twin motor. Hey Presto.

Glad you happy bud,  and you re right.  I was one in the crowd that shouted Mt07 motor in 660z frame!!

Always liked the look of the 660z and almost blindly committed in buying one.

They remain popular like a lot of Yamaha product but in the end when I got a chance to have a real close look I lost interest.

Yamaha sure have brilliant products but the hype and expectation they caused through their brilliant marketing did not catch on to all of us hardegat South Africans.

Good for you and the die-hard fans but if I have the need and cash to buy in this class KTM  can have my money on the R Thank you.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2018, 04:14:47 pm
Tom, when Yamaha did their brilliant marketting, "hardegat" South Africans were not in their thoughts. :imaposer: :imaposer:

It's for the client that made the XR-V, etc top-sellers.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on November 11, 2018, 08:00:02 am
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.

Haha look I've got my very own troll! New heights. I wasn't actually referring to you personally but if you identify with the keyboard jockeys so be it...

When I said my expectations are met I did not actually mean everyone's was met. Just mine. If you got duped by marketing that's not my issue. I wanted a 660z with a twin motor. Hey Presto.

Glad you happy bud,  and you re right.  I was one in the crowd that shouted Mt07 motor in 660z frame!!

Always liked the look of the 660z and almost blindly committed in buying one.

They remain popular like a lot of Yamaha product but in the end when I got a chance to have a real close look I lost interest.

Yamaha sure have brilliant products but the hype and expectation they caused through their brilliant marketing did not catch on to all of us hardegat South Africans.

Good for you and the die-hard fans but if I have the need and cash to buy in this class KTM  can have my money on the R Thank you.
That KTM is something special agreed. At first I wasn't sold on the 660 but ended up with one regardless as it ticked all my boxes at that specific moment. It has given me many years of reliable service and has taken every challenge with ease and up until now i have not found a replacement that can match its versatility. I suspect the T07 has the same engineering pedigree and will punch above the stats too.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: volroom on November 11, 2018, 12:00:43 pm
I really don't get that Yamaha want to release the T7 2021, what reasons do they have for this other than shooting themselves in the foot seeing the the 790 is released earlier? or do they bet on the 790 being a fail  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on November 11, 2018, 04:38:15 pm
Looks more like a new WR than a XTZ for me,seat is not suitable for a pillion either,but,it look very nice.Only my opinion ::)

The pillion comment will have the keyboard jockeys having a moment. :sip:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on November 11, 2018, 08:37:34 pm
Can we maybe mothball this thread, lock it away and resurrect it in late 2020 or when the T7 is finally released here in SA?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on November 12, 2018, 11:18:38 am
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.

Haha look I've got my very own troll! New heights. I wasn't actually referring to you personally but if you identify with the keyboard jockeys so be it...

When I said my expectations are met I did not actually mean everyone's was met. Just mine. If you got duped by marketing that's not my issue. I wanted a 660z with a twin motor. Hey Presto.

Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2018, 01:06:12 pm
who said the T7 failed to meet expectation? it has met mine, and I'm famous for having realistic expectations.  :peepwall: cant wait to ride this one, the class lies outside the 000.38897kg difference, its in how it handles the missing 2mm in ride height that has devastated our favorite key boards jockeys.  :deal: :imaposer:

It must be all the expectations from the people who watched the different 'World Raid' videos....

Stupids, how could they expect the end result to be like what was in those video, don't they know it's just marketing and hot and and not much more....

Um, ja well no fine.

Haha look I've got my very own troll! New heights. I wasn't actually referring to you personally but if you identify with the keyboard jockeys so be it...

When I said my expectations are met I did not actually mean everyone's was met. Just mine. If you got duped by marketing that's not my issue. I wanted a 660z with a twin motor. Hey Presto.

Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on November 12, 2018, 01:22:09 pm
Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   :imaposer:
:biggrin: that is very clear considering how offended you get on behalf of everyone. so not serious at all, just easily offended.  :peepwall: back on point, you are not going to even look at a T7 because you feel that the marketing was too aggressive and misleading to what you were expecting?

do you think it is a kak bike or just not what you were expecting?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 12, 2018, 01:29:36 pm
In a world of TFT's with NAV and app connect, that 80s donkey kong hand held LCD would bug the crap out of me
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2018, 04:26:59 pm
In a world of TFT's with NAV and app connect, that 80s donkey kong hand held LCD would bug the crap out of me

That little pod on the 690 must have you up the wall.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 12, 2018, 05:36:49 pm
In a world of TFT's with NAV and app connect, that 80s donkey kong hand held LCD would bug the crap out of me

That little pod on the 690 must have you up the wall.

If my 690 was a 200kg adventure bike, sure. But it’s not. At this point the only rugged thing on the T7 appears to be the instrument cluster
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2018, 05:38:02 pm
In a world of TFT's with NAV and app connect, that 80s donkey kong hand held LCD would bug the crap out of me

That little pod on the 690 must have you up the wall.

If my 690 was a 200kg adventure bike, sure. But it’s not. At this point the only rugged thing on the T7 appears to be the instrument cluster

You know this before the launch even? O0
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 12, 2018, 07:10:25 pm
That it’s 200kgs? Yes they mentioned that


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2018, 07:14:52 pm
That it’s 200kgs? Yes they mentioned that


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They did yes. And the non-rugged items you were referring to? 

Although I should take your word for it as a expert in non-rugged parts, having owned BMW's for ages....... :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 12, 2018, 07:18:31 pm
Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2018, 09:09:06 pm
Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Yes, I have been the [almost] sole disciple of the light bike on here, now the forum wants to adventurise MX bikes.

And I got you on a proper bike too. Admit it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wolf skaap on November 12, 2018, 10:23:57 pm
Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Yes, I have been the [almost] sole disciple of the light bike on here, now the forum wants to adventurise MX bikes.

And I got you on a proper bike too. Admit it.
What, is he riding a yamaha yet or are you referring to that half-reliable pumpkin?

Still has a ways to go.
Title: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on November 12, 2018, 11:04:20 pm
Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Yes, I have been the [almost] sole disciple of the light bike on here, now the forum wants to adventurise MX bikes.

And I got you on a proper bike too. Admit it.

I doubt you got me on my 640. Now that was a complete mid size DS bike. I still own a GS. Bigger heavier bikes have a place too. So not slating T7, I’ve mentioned several times what a good platform it is, just saying for what it pretends and what it actually competes with in the market, they either have to match on features or be much cheaper
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 13, 2018, 06:53:35 am
Yes and actually get to pull the unicorn out the hat - to mix a few metaphors  :imaposer:

T7 Interuptus takes bike contraception to a whole new level.  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on November 13, 2018, 02:38:22 pm
Only exiting new DS bike at EICMA that will actually be for sale soon is the improved 690  ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on November 13, 2018, 05:10:53 pm
Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   :imaposer:
:biggrin: that is very clear considering how offended you get on behalf of everyone. so not serious at all, just easily offended.  :peepwall: back on point, you are not going to even look at a T7 because you feel that the marketing was too aggressive and misleading to what you were expecting?

do you think it is a kak bike or just not what you were expecting?

I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on November 13, 2018, 06:57:42 pm
An underused marketing department trying to justify their existence, with zero interaction with engineering.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2018, 08:16:00 pm
Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   :imaposer:
:biggrin: that is very clear considering how offended you get on behalf of everyone. so not serious at all, just easily offended.  :peepwall: back on point, you are not going to even look at a T7 because you feel that the marketing was too aggressive and misleading to what you were expecting?

do you think it is a kak bike or just not what you were expecting?

I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.

Or a heavy 650cc with no suspension being called "Dakar".  :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2018, 08:20:03 pm
Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Yes, I have been the [almost] sole disciple of the light bike on here, now the forum wants to adventurise MX bikes.

And I got you on a proper bike too. Admit it.

I doubt you got me on my 640. Now that was a complete mid size DS bike. I still own a GS. Bigger heavier bikes have a place too. So not slating T7, I’ve mentioned several times what a good platform it is, just saying for what it pretends and what it actually competes with in the market, they either have to match on features or be much cheaper

I am actually just as disappointed, although I knew the moment I saw that the T7 will be using the 700 twin engine from the street bike, that this will be a large baby.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtyXT on November 13, 2018, 08:33:46 pm
Having ridden the T7 tracer I can tell you that riding this bike is gonna blow your mind. I Can't wait to see how the power gets delivered. And then in that moment all the anger felt towards the ex rally guys marketing savvy racing in the desert will vanish.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2018, 08:37:38 pm
Having ridden the T7 tracer I can tell you that riding this bike is gonna blow your mind. I Can't wait to see how the power gets delivered. And then in that moment all the anger felt towards the ex rally guys marketing savvy racing in the desert will vanish.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on November 14, 2018, 06:39:41 am
Only exiting new DS bike at EICMA that will actually be for sale soon is the improved 690  ::)

True story.  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on November 15, 2018, 11:20:08 pm
Just read a blog of a guy with an MT07 who with some very basic mods got 80hp on the rear wheel, thats an initial crank reading of basically 90 hp, do these mods and the T7 will make sense
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 08:42:23 am
Does this change anything ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: teebag on February 01, 2019, 08:52:29 am
and who's buying the T7?  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: André 660 on February 01, 2019, 10:27:41 am
This bike is only a rumour  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 01, 2019, 11:05:56 am
Fake news - unicorns do not come cheap. No Crypto pricing?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 11:35:36 am
The next world tour is about to start
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on February 01, 2019, 12:39:33 pm
I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.

van Beveren, in his video, quite explicitly said that what was shown in the video, and what they did with it riding around, is two different things.
According to AvB, for the video they edited out the hard core , Chris Birch takes the 1190 through a mud hole over a rock type of stuff specifically, as it was not the target market.

If a person saw AvB riding South American Dakar tracks, and it created with that person the expectation of a Rally bike, the issue is the person watching the video, and thinking that buying the bike is going to turn him into a rally god.

I watched the vids, and I could relate to them as my trips is more technical, and the bike seem to be able to do it well.

My trips are not racing (use an appropriate bike for that), so speed is not an issue, and the crappy suspension that is alluded to in this thread, and the lack of power alluded to, is not an issues, I'm tripping after all.

In my book, the AJP, the T7 and the 790 competes in a category that I will define as a trip bike, slightly faster on road than my 650R, a lot more comfortable, quiet, pillion friendly etc etc, and a viable option that did not exist other than in a 950/990/1090/1290,1150 format, which to me is excessive.

I honestly like this bike, and were I in the market, I would compare the AJP, T7 and 790 based on comfortable, quiet, pillion friendly, fuel consumption etc.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 01, 2019, 03:21:18 pm
So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.
Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.
Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)
Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.
By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650
Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.
Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!
Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 03:28:18 pm
So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.
Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.
Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)
Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.
By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650
Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.
Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!
Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
YZ springs are made for 110kg bikes not 180kg, wont you need to upgade them to beefier ones ? Like your thinking though  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 01, 2019, 04:17:06 pm
KZN is the stomping ground of Yamaha suspension experts! There are many! So yes the rear will need a stiffer spring and I'm sure the front forks will also need different springs. The result is going to be KYB suspension heaven!
Try upgrading your WP forks on the 790 !!!!!! To what???? More WP kak  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Come back 2 Stroke Dan. Yamaha needs you!!!!!!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 01, 2019, 04:45:28 pm
And I don't think it will be too long before Acerbis / IMS / Clarke come out with a light weight strong plastic tank.
I'm also sure Mr Hyde will  come out with a proper sump/casing protector.
And all of these mods still cheaper than the pumpkin!!!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on February 02, 2019, 07:22:59 am
So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.
Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.
Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)
Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.
By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650
Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.
Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!
Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Won't you run into ground clearance problems if you add 3 - 4 inches of travel but only 2 inches of seat height? The ground clearance is already marginal. Also I can see you getting more travel from the front quite easily (because of the slider/stanchion design of the current T7 forks) but I think you will run into problems at the rear. I personally don't see a YZ shaft being a straightforward change into the T7 shock body, I think you will be limited by shaft travel inside the current body as well as fluid volume transference between body and reservoir. Also I would be surprised if the clevis transfers easily from T7 shaft to YZ shaft, they look to be different diameters.
Not trying to knock your thinking, just think you must proceed with caution. Now if I had a YZ rolling chasis for sale I would give everything you say a thumbs up and offer you a KZN 'uncle' deal  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 02, 2019, 09:23:40 am
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.
As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman  Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind  What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!
By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.
My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.
There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.
Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: buzzlightyear on February 02, 2019, 11:06:37 am
Does this change anything ?

Where did you see this, can't find anything via google?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 02, 2019, 01:41:43 pm
Does this change anything ?

Where did you see this, can't find anything via google?
It was posted on the TET facebook page
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: YoungGSer on February 02, 2019, 09:53:26 pm
 None of you seem to have factored into account that the clutch cover sticks out so far you are going to catch your boot on it every 5min. When I sat on the bike it was immediately apparent that this was a major fault, it will get in the way no matter how short or long your legs are. The frustration this will cause is going to be next level IMO


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 02, 2019, 10:53:02 pm
None of you seem to have factored into account that the clutch cover sticks out so far you are going to catch your boot on it every 5min. When I sat on the bike it was immediately apparent that this was a major fault, it will get in the way no matter how short or long your legs are. The frustration this will cause is going to be next level IMO


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You will get used to it just like the pots on your GS!  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on February 04, 2019, 08:25:12 am
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.
As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman  Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind  What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!
By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.
My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.
There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.
Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought  ;)

And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.

Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 04, 2019, 08:34:11 am
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.
As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman  Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind  What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!
By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.
My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.
There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.
Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought  ;)

And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.

Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami
But we already know the MT07 is a proven very reliable and economical motor and can be uncorked for more power. Who knows what the first gen 790 will dish up. But yes we always knew the KTM will have more power and performance, its par of the course when one get to the DS world Japanese vs KTM. The KTM to me is ugly and no amount of HP in the world can make up for that  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on February 04, 2019, 08:57:32 am
But we already know the MT07 is a proven very reliable and economical motor and can be uncorked for more power. Who knows what the first gen 790 will dish up. But yes we always knew the KTM will have more power and performance, its par of the course when one get to the DS world Japanese vs KTM. The KTM to me is ugly and no amount of HP in the world can make up for that  :pot:

The 790 has also been proven to be reliable and economical. Granted it's only been around for a short time but I've followed everything 790 Duke (rode it several times too) and so far things look good. Just like you'd expect from a modern KTM despite what naysayers and brand bashers think. Like I said, price is key. If the Yami is in it's own price bracket, it's still a very good option. If not, GTFO.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 04, 2019, 10:26:31 am
That 790 is butt fuggly!  And as long as my lilly white nort points south, I won't own a KTM  ;) ;) ;)
Hey Dwerg did you not read my weight loss plan on the T7 ? 12 inches of the best KYB suspension and empty weight of 180kgs.
The top speed of an MT07 is 223 kph. I think even Toby Price would scare himself fartless doing that speed on dirt roads!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 04, 2019, 11:38:57 am
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.
As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman  Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind  What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!
By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.
My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.
There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.
Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Wonder how far I could have ridden on a 10hp TTR125 while your foot was in shreds from your lighter high HP 690?  just wondering

The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought  ;)

And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.

Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on February 04, 2019, 12:21:49 pm
That 790 is butt fuggly!  And as long as my lilly white nort points south, I won't own a KTM  ;) ;) ;)
Hey Dwerg did you not read my weight loss plan on the T7 ? 12 inches of the best KYB suspension and empty weight of 180kgs.
The top speed of an MT07 is 223 kph. I think even Toby Price would scare himself fartless doing that speed on dirt roads!  ;) ;) ;)
In all honesty I'm a function over form type, but to each his own. This from someone who owned the original Tenere for 21 years.
As for your mods - from the perspective of someone who has seen his fair share of shock and fork innards - I would say proceed with caution. These kind of mods never end up as straightforward as planned, and often you end up with a Frankenstein monster that does nothing particularly well.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on February 04, 2019, 12:27:51 pm
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.
As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman  Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind  What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!
By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.
My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.
There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.
Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought  ;)

And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.

Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami

Wonder how far I could have ridden on a 10hp TTR125 while your foot was in shreds from your lighter high HP 690?  just wondering

Use the accident where my foot was almost amputated to make a your case for your brand. Classy.

I sometimes forget why I try not to engage in discussions on this forum anymore. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 04, 2019, 12:38:55 pm
Well if you dish it out,,,,,,,,,,,,,, chill Dwerg, you were hoping for a reaction nothing more nothing less
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: CUZZY on February 04, 2019, 01:49:18 pm
Thanks peteb. This was just food for thought and to see what okes think.
I am 100% certain that Steve Thompson ex Yamaha SA technical fundi would know straight off the bat whether this is workable and why.
Hey Dwerg chill man. Your accident could happen on a pit bike. Never lekker to see anyone injured. Hope you are healing well.
I'm sure the KTM is going to be a brilliant bike and will outsell Yamaha by leaps and bounds.
I believe KTM has long lists of buyers. My local Yamaha shop doesn't even have a single potential sale.
The one thing I definitely don't like on the 790 is the step in the seat. What proper offroad bike has that???  Obviously done to keep the seat height down.








Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 04, 2019, 03:27:47 pm
Thanks peteb. This was just food for thought and to see what okes think.
I am 100% certain that Steve Thompson ex Yamaha SA technical fundi would know straight off the bat whether this is workable and why.
Hey Dwerg chill man. Your accident could happen on a pit bike. Never lekker to see anyone injured. Hope you are healing well.
I'm sure the KTM is going to be a brilliant bike and will outsell Yamaha by leaps and bounds.
I believe KTM has long lists of buyers. My local Yamaha shop doesn't even have a single potential sale.
The one thing I definitely don't like on the 790 is the step in the seat. What proper offroad bike has that???  Obviously done to keep the seat height down.
The more I get used to the KTM the more I like it except the light,, hate the light, Yamaha should have had this 700 out two years ago then it would have made an impact but alas they took their time and KTM is going to clean up the market.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: funky_munky on February 04, 2019, 03:43:43 pm
The T7 is a unicorn, all fantasy and speculation....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Berty77 on February 06, 2019, 05:51:32 pm
January February March April May June July........
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: plonker on February 10, 2019, 05:03:56 pm
Screw Yamaha. The 660 Tenere also took forever to arrive. Hope they lose out huge to KTM. Maybe it will wake the idiots up. :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 11, 2019, 06:10:07 am
January February March April May June July........

Pinocchio Meets Unicorn!

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 11, 2019, 07:40:41 am
Good things comes to those who wait ....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on February 11, 2019, 11:54:00 am
So does death
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on February 11, 2019, 12:09:18 pm
So does death
:laughing4: :lol8: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 11, 2019, 01:55:52 pm
So does death
:laughing4: :lol8: :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 11, 2019, 02:23:56 pm
“Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.”

Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: mtr89 on February 11, 2019, 08:34:47 pm
Good things comes to those who wait ....
and wait and wait and wait and then look around while they're waiting and find something else to buy. Unfortunately i think Yamaha has taken too long to bring this bike out but am hoping it'll still sell well
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on February 12, 2019, 07:08:28 am
I see they list it on overseas Yamaha pages. Not sure when they will plan to actually bring it to SA
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 12, 2019, 08:55:37 am
I see they list it on overseas Yamaha pages. Not sure when they will plan to actually bring it to SA
US ans most of the world as I understand was 2020
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 12, 2019, 08:59:46 am
Yamaha France website. Unicorns do exist.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 13, 2019, 03:54:49 pm
If it's priced close to the 790 I might have to move to the dark side purely on a resale point of view
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: buzzlightyear on February 13, 2019, 09:17:40 pm
Black one is the only looker imho.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 13, 2019, 09:24:06 pm
Black one is the only looker imho.
Yep or the white and red. The blue and silver they used for all the promo is a bit old hat by now.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 14, 2019, 06:19:33 am
Black one is the only looker imho.
Yep or the white and red. The blue and silver they used for all the promo is a bit old hat by now.

UNICORNS ARE ALL SILVER.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on February 14, 2019, 08:41:56 am
UNICORNS ARE ALL SILVER.  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 14, 2019, 12:04:49 pm
UNICORNS ARE ALL SILVER.  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:

 8)

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 14, 2019, 12:06:06 pm
To be launched in Morocco in May, full production starts in July so second half 2019 / early 2020 at the showrooms ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 14, 2019, 12:22:06 pm
Colours
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on February 14, 2019, 12:50:35 pm
I would like a unicorn, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on February 14, 2019, 01:37:58 pm
I like RED with an Acro   :thumleft:

Will supply my own horn..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on February 14, 2019, 02:27:49 pm
I like RED with an Acro   :thumleft:

Will supply my own horn..

Nice colour. I love the charcoal one. The T7 and 790 pics side by side do paint a clear picture though. Here's hoping the Yamaha is cheap
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on February 14, 2019, 02:32:52 pm
I also want that red and white one. Will have to put it on a xmas wishlist for the future
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rough Rider on February 14, 2019, 02:43:34 pm
I heard the Yamaha are forced to drop the MT09 due to emissions regulations, I wonder if the MT07 engine is a problem for them too.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 14, 2019, 07:32:36 pm
I heard the Yamaha are forced to drop the MT09 due to emissions regulations, I wonder if the MT07 engine is a problem for them too.

It has been quite widely known that this has been the challenge and a big part of the delay on getting the bike to the market.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 26, 2019, 11:03:22 am
I will still buy Yamaha, this guy rambles too much about electronics and gasp horror having to change a tube



Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on February 26, 2019, 03:55:33 pm
I will still buy Yamaha, this guy rambles too much about electronics and gasp horror having to change a tube


When you are grey.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on February 26, 2019, 07:31:17 pm
What a twat. Besides having packed in a few too many pies, he has also not taken into consideration that it's a YAMAHA. Only buy it once and you get to ride it ALL the time
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Platte on February 26, 2019, 07:56:16 pm
Ek sien uit na die bike,dink dit gaan goeie gewone rond toer bike wees soos die 660
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 26, 2019, 10:50:50 pm
Ek sien uit na die bike,dink dit gaan goeie gewone rond toer bike wees soos die 660

Ek dink jy is reg, en die bike sal vir my ook werk.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 73 Peanut on February 27, 2019, 10:02:02 am
Wow after watching that movie clip  I think the ktm guy's are laughing and Yamaha needs to keep the bikes price down as low as possible that's if they wanna get any sales done in this century  :pot: :imaposer:     
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 27, 2019, 12:04:25 pm
Wow after watching that movie clip  I think the ktm guy's are laughing and Yamaha needs to keep the bikes price down as low as possible that's if they wanna get any sales done in this century  :pot: :imaposer:   
Lucky for us Yami riders we are happy with our penis size and generally content with our ability to ride our bikes without a hundred sensors on the bike trying to keep it upright, but hey if riding a 200kg "rider aid" works for others we will not point fingers but we will carry tow rope's to make sure you get to sleep in a warm bed in the evening.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: w@nted on February 27, 2019, 12:29:06 pm
Wow after watching that movie clip  I think the ktm guy's are laughing and Yamaha needs to keep the bikes price down as low as possible that's if they wanna get any sales done in this century  :pot: :imaposer:   
Lucky for us Yami riders we are happy with our penis size and generally content with our ability to ride our bikes without a hundred sensors on the bike trying to keep it upright, but hey if riding a 200kg "rider aid" works for others we will not point fingers but we will carry tow rope's to make sure you get to sleep in a warm bed in the evening.


That escalated quickly  :lol8:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on February 27, 2019, 01:03:32 pm
Wow after watching that movie clip  I think the ktm guy's are laughing and Yamaha needs to keep the bikes price down as low as possible that's if they wanna get any sales done in this century  :pot: :imaposer:   
Lucky for us Yami riders we are happy with our penis size and generally content with our ability to ride our bikes without a hundred sensors on the bike trying to keep it upright, but hey if riding a 200kg "rider aid" works for others we will not point fingers but we will carry tow rope's to make sure you get to sleep in a warm bed in the evening.


That escalated quickly  :lol8:
Just a general observation,,, you know the story,, the worse you perform at a task the bigger the tool one asks for!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on February 27, 2019, 01:04:10 pm
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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 27, 2019, 02:01:56 pm
Ek sien uit na die bike,dink dit gaan goeie gewone rond toer bike wees soos die 660
I agree it's going to roughly same weight as a 660Z but will have 25hp more. Been tested plenty so no nasty surprises with air boxes and the motor is proven. Looks the part and I for one am happy there is no electronic gimmicks, I would even have gone for non ABS if available. For us non aliens it's going to be a very good DS bike. I like the black colour scheme  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on February 27, 2019, 03:21:07 pm
XT660 to 700

https://youtu.be/TqldGTHB4tw

Hmm cant embed video
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Breekbeen on February 27, 2019, 03:40:56 pm
&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Skaiidawg on March 01, 2019, 10:56:34 am
This was published yesterday

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/yamaha-tenere-700-pricing/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on March 01, 2019, 11:06:17 am
So that works out to.. R155k odd. Wonder how much they will tax it here eventually
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: RobLH on March 01, 2019, 11:17:36 am
That pricing is keen. A standard Africa Twin is GBP12,000, so you are saving GBP3,300 (if you consider that AT a competitor)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on March 01, 2019, 09:06:04 pm
Jeepers this thread started more than 2 years ago. Yamaha is playing the long game.   :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Boerbok on March 07, 2019, 11:37:27 pm
Will be available in Aus in Dec 2019, priced at AU $15500.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on March 09, 2019, 08:50:56 pm
Will be available in Aus in Dec 2019, priced at AU $15500.
I see the 790 S and R goes for $21195 and $22695 respectively. This means very good pricing for the T7 !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 10, 2019, 02:20:21 pm
And just when you thought Yamaha had run out of crates ....
Revealed in Italy couple of days ago
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 10, 2019, 02:29:53 pm
Look if nothing else - that is one damn sexy bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 03:26:34 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 10, 2019, 03:43:42 pm
Would be my choice.... Can't get around the brakpan-like looks of the KTM  :snorting:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 10, 2019, 04:01:16 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 10, 2019, 04:08:55 pm
Extremely good looking bike but the tank sits high, could be the reason the tank capacity is not that big. Still buy this over a 790 any day  8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 04:18:21 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 10, 2019, 04:26:23 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 10, 2019, 04:30:16 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Hey ou Dwerg!..... how can you talk about your 790 like that?!  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 04:30:45 pm
Though I must agree, that T7 has been around the world a few times, always in that crate. :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 10, 2019, 04:32:04 pm
CRATE TEE EMM? :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on May 10, 2019, 05:35:26 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 07:52:45 pm
CRATE TEE EMM? :pot:

 :imaposer: :thumleft:
Title: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 10, 2019, 09:13:45 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Hey ou Dwerg!..... how can you talk about your 790 like that?!  :lol8:

My 790 has 2500kms on already. It’s been a few places. Mainly back to the dealer to sort out issues
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 09:26:21 pm
Yamaha should bring out the T7 with the Niken GT front end.

 :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 10, 2019, 10:47:17 pm
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Hey ou Dwerg!..... how can you talk about your 790 like that?!  :lol8:

My 790 has 2500kms on already. It’s been a few places. Mainly back to the dealer to sort out issues
I will be confident in saying that the time it took to develop the T7 it will have zero issues
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 11, 2019, 08:00:35 am
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Hey ou Dwerg!..... how can you talk about your 790 like that?!  :lol8:

My 790 has 2500kms on already. It’s been a few places. Mainly back to the dealer to sort out issues
I will be confident in saying that the time it took to develop the T7 it will have zero issues

That was a joke. I haven’t had issues with the 790. And anyway, given the KTM fun factor, a few issues just help to keep the playing field balanced. You can’t win at everything. The other brands won’t sell units
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 11, 2019, 08:41:33 am
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

It seems limited to where the crate will take it

It is exactly this type of fake news that's getting our society down. :peepwall: :peepwall:

 :laughing4:
Hey ou Dwerg!..... how can you talk about your 790 like that?!  :lol8:

My 790 has 2500kms on already. It’s been a few places. Mainly back to the dealer to sort out issues
I will be confident in saying that the time it took to develop the T7 it will have zero issues

That was a joke. I haven’t had issues with the 790. And anyway, given the KTM fun factor, a few issues just help to keep the playing field balanced. You can’t win at everything. The other brands won’t sell units
You are right, Yami missed the boat on this one, bike should have been released 6-12 months before the cone, another issue I have with the T7  is from what I can see the subframe is is welded to the main frame,,, bad choice for an adventure bike
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 11, 2019, 08:52:39 am
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 13, 2019, 10:22:08 am
Really narrow around the crankcases, will go places the 790 can't. :pot:

Really tall in front at the tank - will not go under things the 790 will  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on May 13, 2019, 10:24:27 am
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.

Big ktms?
Maybe 990 gang, not aware of issues with the newer generation.

So what's latest release date of T7?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 13, 2019, 10:27:07 am
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.

Many light bikes also have issues with subframes if loaded - Husky TE610 and 630, small KTM's etc.This is where manufacturers save weight and those frames are there just to hold a mudguard and numberplate.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: DirtyHarry on May 13, 2019, 04:40:54 pm
It needs a special kind of subframe to support a fully grown Wilddog.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 13, 2019, 06:21:35 pm
It needs a special kind of subframe to support a fully grown Wilddog.

Indeed! :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 13, 2019, 09:21:50 pm
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.

Not entirely true in respect of the 690 either - the rear holding bolts of the monocoque frame (read fuel tank) are a known weakness and fail. There are after market uprated ones made and sold by a number of guys.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 13, 2019, 10:11:07 pm
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.

Not entirely true in respect of the 690 either - the rear holding bolts of the monocoque frame (read fuel tank) are a known weakness and fail. There are after market uprated ones made and sold by a number of guys.

When these bolts started showing up as weak points, it was said that they are sacrificial to avoid tank cracks/breaking. 

But I have yet to see a broken tank on a 690/701.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 14, 2019, 07:27:42 am
XT500,600 in all guises all have their subframes as integral part of the main frame, never been an issue.

The 690/701 even has plastic sub-frames, and though removable, they do not have issues.

The only bikes with sub-frame issues is the GS and big KTM's.

Not entirely true in respect of the 690 either - the rear holding bolts of the monocoque frame (read fuel tank) are a known weakness and fail. There are after market uprated ones made and sold by a number of guys.

When these bolts started showing up as weak points, it was said that they are sacrificial to avoid tank cracks/breaking. 

But I have yet to see a broken tank on a 690/701.

Interesting - first I have heard of them being sacrificial ... sound like spin doctoring. Maybe the failing fuel pumps are also sacrificial to save petrol  :imaposer:
If the bolts give the forces will be transferred elsewhere a fuck something else up. Rottweiler and others sell replacement units. Interestingly enough I have not heard of a failure on a 701 and it is possible they have been upgraded.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 14, 2019, 01:44:27 pm
Yamaha should bring out the T7 with the Niken GT front end.

 :pot:
I would have thought most Yammie fans would be happy if they finally brought out the bike......... with any front end :pot:

Dwerg on his 790 :ricky:
Your average T7 fan :dontknow:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Wooly Bugger on May 14, 2019, 01:49:58 pm
 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2019, 02:29:43 pm
:drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Yep T7 is drool worthy
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 14, 2019, 03:49:54 pm
And specs indicate that it lighter than the 790 - surprised me!

205kg wet.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 14, 2019, 07:32:16 pm
And specs indicate that it lighter than the 790 - surprised me!

205kg wet.

Hard to believe.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Breekbeen on May 14, 2019, 07:58:24 pm
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/cy/en/applications/mygarage/

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Breekbeen on May 14, 2019, 07:59:07 pm
Build your T7.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Breekbeen on May 14, 2019, 07:59:22 pm
Build your T7.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 14, 2019, 08:41:07 pm
Interesting - first I have heard of them being sacrificial ... sound like spin doctoring. Maybe the failing fuel pumps are also sacrificial to save petrol  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:

If the bolts give the forces will be transferred elsewhere a fuck something else up. Rottweiler and others sell replacement units. Interestingly enough I have not heard of a failure on a 701 and it is possible they have been upgraded.

Or maybe standing with fuel pump issues places the least stain on them...just asking.  :P

At the Tankwa there was a number of said failures, even the 350's in the off road class.
Notably, Kenny Gilberts bike did not even splutter - is their a fix?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 14, 2019, 09:14:59 pm
Interesting - first I have heard of them being sacrificial ... sound like spin doctoring. Maybe the failing fuel pumps are also sacrificial to save petrol  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:

If the bolts give the forces will be transferred elsewhere a fuck something else up. Rottweiler and others sell replacement units. Interestingly enough I have not heard of a failure on a 701 and it is possible they have been upgraded.

Or maybe standing with fuel pump issues places the least stain on them...just asking.  :P

At the Tankwa there was a number of said failures, even the 350's in the off road class.
Notably, Kenny Gilberts bike did not even splutter - is their a fix?

The fix is to remove the in tank fuel filter and move it to the outside where it can be regularly checked and serviced. I believe the pumps go belly up due to the filters blocking and putting strain on the pumps.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 14, 2019, 10:23:05 pm
Interesting - first I have heard of them being sacrificial ... sound like spin doctoring. Maybe the failing fuel pumps are also sacrificial to save petrol  :imaposer:

 :spitcoffee:

If the bolts give the forces will be transferred elsewhere a fuck something else up. Rottweiler and others sell replacement units. Interestingly enough I have not heard of a failure on a 701 and it is possible they have been upgraded.

Or maybe standing with fuel pump issues places the least stain on them...just asking.  :P

At the Tankwa there was a number of said failures, even the 350's in the off road class.
Notably, Kenny Gilberts bike did not even splutter - is their a fix?

The fix is to remove the in tank fuel filter and move it to the outside where it can be regularly checked and serviced. I believe the pumps go belly up due to the filters blocking and putting strain on the pumps.

The pump proudly proclaiming "made in China" does not help either. Serious.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 14, 2019, 11:48:49 pm
This is what my filter looked like at 3000km - the black is carbon graphite off the fuel pump brushes. Removed and relocated a Golan aircraft quality serviceable filter externally. Fitted Guglatech filler fuel filter.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on May 15, 2019, 11:01:09 pm
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/tenere-700-accessory-packs/?fbclid=IwAR3mM0auCg3p-iHFdFCSu_J7wt5qITW3E4cGo-pz2XwFoKoHvHjiMH5-DBc
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 16, 2019, 05:46:42 am
Yes it is funny that the they have the farkles being released even before the unicorn hits the floors.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 16, 2019, 08:47:14 am
Rally and Explorer pack

Pretty cool
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/products/motorcycles/adventure/tenere-700/configurator/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 16, 2019, 08:55:47 am
I went for the Power Black, heavy duty skid plate, headlight protector, tail tidy, centre stand and Akro although that does not show  :biggrin:
Come on lotto ticket !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on May 16, 2019, 09:21:44 am
I went for the Power Black, heavy duty skid plate, headlight protector, tail tidy, centre stand and Akro although that does not show  :biggrin:
Come on lotto ticket !

you forgot to add the seat  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 16, 2019, 09:43:59 am
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: WynandV on May 16, 2019, 11:52:04 am
First test:
https://www.moto.ch/yamaha-tenere-700-rueckkehr-einer-ikone/

Google can translate.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 16, 2019, 12:36:52 pm
I went for the Power Black, heavy duty skid plate, headlight protector, tail tidy, centre stand and Akro although that does not show  :biggrin:
Come on lotto ticket !

Amazing what Photochop does with these images as well  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2019, 07:07:47 pm
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2019, 07:27:55 pm
First test:
https://www.moto.ch/yamaha-tenere-700-rueckkehr-einer-ikone/

Google can translate.

Seems like the testers really, really liked it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 16, 2019, 07:49:08 pm
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2019, 07:58:27 pm
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:

Dis n Yamaha, nothing can bleach it. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2019, 06:59:44 am
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:

Ja anal bleaching.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2019, 11:02:53 am
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:

Ja anal bleaching.

The dark side of Dom.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on May 17, 2019, 01:05:33 pm
Ja anal bleaching.

Cause some assholes just need to lighten up...   :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Cracker on May 17, 2019, 01:23:08 pm
Sidetrack, what has happened to this bike??

That pic you just posted looks lame compared to those on page 1 ......................... you sure it's the same bike?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2019, 03:08:24 pm
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:

Ja anal bleaching.

The dark side of Dom.

Where the light don't shine  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2019, 03:15:26 pm
Those blue rims remind me of a corsa with neon light strips on the under carriage

Does'nt work for me either. A rim should be silver or black.

Jy kan dit altyd bleach? :patch:

Ja anal bleaching.

The dark side of Dom.

Where the light don't shine  :imaposer:

every little candle lights the corners of the dark. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 21, 2019, 10:09:10 pm
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html)

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 22, 2019, 07:29:37 am
It really is a very good looking motorcycle.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 22, 2019, 08:05:01 am
Well from the reports coming in and some of the videos the initial feeling is quite positive
One guy did sum it up quite nicely when he discussed weight and suspension. It is marketed as an adventure bike and with that you need certain compromises

Yes it will weigh more than an enduro type and probably have softer suspension. But on the flip side you get better comfort, ergonomics and a better ability to cater for a more varied ownership and terrain

It wont compete with lighter bikes like a 500 offroad, but the 500 wont compete on a long adventure trip.

Will be interesting to feel the actual ergonomics of the bike. Each person has their own comfort while sitting and standing. What works for me might feel weird for the next guy
Same with looks.. ask @Omninorm who seems to like the 790 look.. to me its just ugly  >:D

But thats the very nice advantage we have. So many bikes to choose from. And my best and your best might just be two completely different machines

Thats my Wednesday waffle. Quite looking forward to seeing this one in the flesh.
For now the 690 just has to due its duty
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 22, 2019, 08:26:58 am
Since the 990 KTM has lost the plot with styling their large bikes. How a bike looks is a big part of the package for me, besides being a Jap bike fanboy anyway. Would not mind this thing in my garage.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 22, 2019, 08:53:55 am
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html)

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
There is doubt the 200mm suspension travel is a bit dissapointing, about the same as a XT660Z so adequate so say the least. But you can always fit a pair of SSS and have the best. The weight looks good from what I have read lighter than the previous Tenere and the 790. I too like the lack of electronic gadgets, for off road the less the better. It looks good but the tank may end up being a little small ? The motor is proven and will be the bikes highlight I think. I can see this being a reliable good looking adventure bike that has not fallen for the modern obsession with traction control ipad dashboards and 200hp
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 22, 2019, 10:17:24 am
Beware of derapage
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 22, 2019, 10:17:36 am
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 22, 2019, 10:32:31 am
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html)

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
There is doubt the 200mm suspension travel is a bit dissapointing, about the same as a XT660Z so adequate so say the least. But you can always fit a pair of SSS and have the best. The weight looks good from what I have read lighter than the previous Tenere and the 790. I too like the lack of electronic gadgets, for off road the less the better. It looks good but the tank may end up being a little small ? The motor is proven and will be the bikes highlight I think. I can see this being a reliable good looking adventure bike that has not fallen for the modern obsession with traction control ipad dashboards and 200hp

All true but I fear a bit top heavy with the tall engine and fuel up top - that is why KTM slung the hangtiete  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 22, 2019, 02:44:02 pm
And then there are the average riders with tight budgets and none of the concerns here spook me. I am only interested in price, running cost and what I need to do/win in life to afford this bike which I believe is now my new dream bike.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 22, 2019, 03:03:33 pm


Sounds quite... "Revvie" i.e guy seems to be winding it out to get power, so torque high up or is the guy not riding it like he should be I wonder.
But yeah really nice bike Looks good as well.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 22, 2019, 03:52:30 pm


Sounds quite... "Revvie" i.e guy seems to be winding it out to get power, so torque high up or is the guy not riding it like he should be I wonder.
But yeah really nice bike Looks good as well.
All reports are you can wind it on from 2500k in any gear
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 22, 2019, 04:09:32 pm
Coming in thick and fast in Volksvreemde tale





Translations a bit off
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: katana on May 22, 2019, 05:53:36 pm
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html)

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
Before riding a 640 adventure, I would have agreed about the 43mm forks.  Now I wonder why we would need 44mm.    :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 22, 2019, 07:39:00 pm
At first this bike was going to be too heavy, now that it's lighter than the ready-to-race, it's back to the "top-heavy" argument. ::) :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 22, 2019, 09:01:57 pm
At first this bike was going to be too heavy, now that it's lighter than the ready-to-race, it's back to the "top-heavy" argument. ::) :pot:

Time will tell, but it will inevitably be carrying its fuel high and they have I think purposefully kept it to an acceptable minimum. May well be a non issue.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 23, 2019, 09:05:47 am
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 23, 2019, 09:33:16 am
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 23, 2019, 09:42:42 am

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.


True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 23, 2019, 09:46:58 am

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.


True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 23, 2019, 09:54:54 am
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?

Yamaha did well to only add 15 odd kgs to the MT07 weight, KTM added 20 to the Duke weight. Again not much in it. But how much lighter would you want in this category? What are you willing to sacrifice without ending in the same place as a single?

True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.

I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 23, 2019, 10:06:56 am

I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me

Thats the nice thing we have now, to at least  be able to choose different makes and styles.
But you are right, the 790 styling is unique and has a very firm love it or hate it group.

I personally prefer the T7 front to the 790
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 23, 2019, 12:02:36 pm
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?

Look the KTM engine is in a class of its own and is much smaller and more compact - one of the reasons that the T7 is so tall in front is the tall engine.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Eddy81 on May 23, 2019, 12:34:24 pm
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?

Also remember that the ktm has 100cc more, more cables for all its electronics and a 4 liter bigger tank that was built to withstand falls without the need for any crash bars.  The headlight unit looks bigger and probably a bit heavier too.  In general with the 48 instead of 43 forks, the triple clamps, rear shock, gear lever etc. all just looks more heavy duty and thicker so sure all these elements add to the 2kgs extra weight.  Plus the minute you add crash bars onto the Tenere you will be over that 2kg difference. 

I read and watched interviews and previews of the Yamaha, most of the journalists expected the Yamaha to have come in at around 180-190 fully fueled. So bit of a bummer as I also thought that would have been perfect 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 23, 2019, 12:54:45 pm
I like both KTM 790 & Yamaha but am leaning towards the T7 it looks like fun and I am sure it will be reliable. I wonder if any other manufacturers are going to go down this route.
A nice 650 twin 60+ Hp and 190KGs all up would work for me.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Eddy81 on May 23, 2019, 12:58:20 pm
I like both KTM 790 & Yamaha but am leaning towards the T7 it looks like fun and I am sure it will be reliable. I wonder if any other manufacturers are going to go down this route.

And the sound!   There is a guy that lives close to us, rides past our house everyday with his mt07, standard can on!  But sounds like a beast.  Truly an amazing sounding engine
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 23, 2019, 02:43:02 pm
I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me

Those are flatteringly unique and modern words for ugly...  :biggrin:

Don't worry we don't expect you to say you bought an ugly bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 23, 2019, 02:50:02 pm
I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me

Those are flatteringly unique and modern words for ugly...  :biggrin:

I never said it's pretty  :imaposer:

And I am not wrong  :deal:

But hey what do I know, I still think a 640 ADV is one of the best looking bikes ever made.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 23, 2019, 09:22:09 pm
I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me

Those are flatteringly unique and modern words for ugly...  :biggrin:

I never said it's pretty  :imaposer:

And I am not wrong  :deal:

But hey what do I know, I still think a 640 ADV is one of the best looking bikes ever made.

The 640 ADV was certainly streets ahead in the lightweight adventure bike world. Big tank, good suspension, light, attractive.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 24, 2019, 08:48:26 am
The 640 ADV was certainly streets ahead in the lightweight adventure bike world. Big tank, good suspension, light, attractive.

light?  at 160kg ?

You forgot "vibrates, underpowered and heavy"
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 24, 2019, 09:22:00 am
What kind of fuel consumption could one expect from this bike?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peter stuyvesant on May 24, 2019, 09:25:23 am
My wifes MT07 gets 25km/l with her riding, my son gets about 18.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 24, 2019, 09:31:11 am
My wifes MT07 gets 25km/l with her riding, my son gets about 18.

Wife clearly has smaller hands  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 24, 2019, 09:37:29 am
The 640 ADV was certainly streets ahead in the lightweight adventure bike world. Big tank, good suspension, light, attractive.

light?  at 160kg ?

You forgot "vibrates, underpowered and heavy"

The 2000 model 640 weighed dry 154kgs, and made 50HP.

Compare it to the XT's, KLR's, DR's etc around it at the time.

Kom nou Dave, konsentreer. O0
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zacapa on May 24, 2019, 10:19:46 am
One for the German speakers amongst us. The guys are pretty positive over the T7 in a big way.  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on May 24, 2019, 11:05:47 am
You forgot "vibrates, underpowered and heavy"

Add fugly also....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 24, 2019, 11:10:08 am
You forgot "vibrates, underpowered and heavy"

Add fugly also....

KTM still struggles with styling. :imaposer:

Where do they gets these "koppe".
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on May 24, 2019, 11:10:51 am
This thing beats the 790 hands down aesthetically. They just need to get it out now and it better be amazing.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on May 24, 2019, 11:38:38 am
Definitely looks like my type of new bike!..... now for the wait.... anyone have an indication of price? :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 24, 2019, 12:04:06 pm
Definitely looks like my type of new bike!..... now for the wait.... anyone have an indication of price? :peepwall:

150-160 when it lands here or MT09 tracer money. But that is a guess
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on May 24, 2019, 12:04:51 pm
anyone have an indication of price?

A Yamaha?
Too expensive!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 24, 2019, 12:46:48 pm
Definitely looks like my type of new bike!..... now for the wait.... anyone have an indication of price? :peepwall:

150-160 when it lands here or MT09 tracer money. But that is a guess

Yes likely to be around R150/60k at current exchange rates.
Pok I would not mind this bike but if I get to sell my NC I'll still need another R100k  :peepwall: which is unfortunately not possible now.

I read twice it has got tubeless wheels? That is a big yes for the avg Jo like me if its true.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 24, 2019, 12:52:39 pm

I read twice it has got tubeless wheels? That is a big yes for the avg Jo like me if its true.

From what I have read its got tubes in.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Eddy81 on May 24, 2019, 01:16:22 pm
Yeah it’s seems that the media is confused about this... I have read that they are tuned but the race blue version is tubeless. Heck knows where the reality lies within all these reports
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 24, 2019, 02:00:18 pm
anyone have an indication of price?

A Yamaha?
Too expensive!
Never especially since you will be able to ride it into retirement without much more than an annual oil change needed. They say about 1000 euros cheaper than the 790 so I also reckon around 150-160k.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 24, 2019, 02:03:10 pm
The tubeless comment might be a Youtube translation error ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 24, 2019, 02:07:32 pm
The tubeless comment might be a Youtube translation error ?

Probably. The one reviewer from the UK mentioned they were on the standard fitment tubes and tyres, but would have liked to try it with knobblies fitted
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Ian Bean on May 24, 2019, 03:09:46 pm
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/yamaha/yamaha-tenere-700-2019-review-price-spec

Not sure if this has been posted.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 25, 2019, 07:32:23 am
The tubeless comment might be a Youtube translation error ?

The only way they get those rims tubeless is with a sealent bead inside over the nipples like the KTM's. The positioning of the spokes quite inboard above the drop centre may suggest this as an option? Yamaha's only other answer to tubeless has been on the 1200 Ten with the raised ridges to secure spokes.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 26, 2019, 10:02:01 am
One for the German speakers amongst us. The guys are pretty positive over the T7 in a big way.  :thumleft:

I understood "wunderlich motore"

It is a nice looking bike for sure.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on May 26, 2019, 10:50:22 am
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/yamaha/yamaha-tenere-700-2019-review-price-spec

Not sure if this has been posted.

I like. Nothing wrong with this bike!  I think this is a good choice for a RTW trip.. :thumleft:

We are spoilt for choice.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Odd Dog on May 26, 2019, 12:40:38 pm
This has the same motor as my MT07 Tracer.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2019, 02:19:23 pm
This has the same motor as my MT07 Tracer.

And what a motor that is!! :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Greeny on May 26, 2019, 06:35:46 pm
Here's another review in English...think Yamaha's gonna sell loads of these puppies.  Will be very interesting to see the sales figures between this and the 790 in a year or so. Can't wait for a comparo, though surely only one clear winner?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2019, 08:25:51 pm
"In short, it's a remarkable bike."

And in my opinion, it's a remarkable bike simply because it's not trying to dazzle with huge power, or competition suspension or even electronic wizardry.

It's the 2020 version of a 34L 600Tenere, circa 1983.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2019, 08:31:37 pm
"In short, it's a remarkable bike."

And in my opinion, it's a remarkable bike simply because it's not trying to dazzle with huge power, or competition suspension or even electronic wizardry.

It's the 2020 version of a 34L 600Tenere, circa 1983.
I agree Danie, you need a no nonsense dependable DS bike that lets you get out into the great outdoors and look around not glued to a tablet trying to figure out how to unlock the flux capacitor or to sync your mobile phone
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2019, 08:55:26 pm
"In short, it's a remarkable bike."

And in my opinion, it's a remarkable bike simply because it's not trying to dazzle with huge power, or competition suspension or even electronic wizardry.

It's the 2020 version of a 34L 600Tenere, circa 1983.
I agree Danie, you need a no nonsense dependable DS bike that lets you get out into the great outdoors and look around not glued to a tablet trying to figure out how to unlock the flux capacitor or to sync your mobile phone

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peter stuyvesant on May 27, 2019, 12:05:58 am
Anyone know when will it be available here in S.A? Are they taking orders yet?  :peepwall: Red or Blue... :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 04:44:21 am
This might be the first ever new bike I buy.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 27, 2019, 07:22:23 am
Anyone know when will it be available here in S.A? Are they taking orders yet?  :peepwall: Red or Blue... :3some:
August I believe
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rough Rider on May 27, 2019, 08:35:41 am
Take my money  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Odd Dog on May 27, 2019, 09:09:58 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2019, 09:21:30 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.
I'm waiting for the demo's or 2nd hand bikes then
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 09:27:13 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.
I'm waiting for the demo's or 2nd hand bikes then

Think it will be priced lower than that. Comparing the GBP pricing of this and the KTM 790 to our local pricing of the 790 is somewhat lower that straight conversion.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2019, 09:32:50 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.
I'm waiting for the demo's or 2nd hand bikes then

Think it will be priced lower than that. Comparing the GBP pricing of this and the KTM 790 to our local pricing of the 790 is somewhat lower that straight conversion.
Must be if you see what it's priced at overseas
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2019, 09:33:41 am
Anyone know when will it be available here in S.A? Are they taking orders yet?  :peepwall: Red or Blue... :3some:
I liked the black one but the red and white is growing on me
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: blauth on May 27, 2019, 09:37:24 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.

I don't entirely understand how the manufacturers determine pricing in different markets.

The yamaha is about 2700 Pounds cheaper (8400.00 pounds) than the KTM 790 (11100.00 pounds) i.e. 75% of the cost in the UK.

The 790 is about R186k so I'd guess the Yamaha should be in the region of about R139k ... if it stays in line with the UK pricing.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 09:39:06 am
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.

I don't entirely understand how the manufacturers determine pricing in different markets.

The yamaha is about 2700 Pounds cheaper (8400.00 pounds) than the KTM 790 (11100.00 pounds) i.e. 75% of the cost in the UK.

The 790 is about R186k so I'd guess the Yamaha should be in the region of about R139k ... if it stays in line with the UK pricing.

Yebo - Probably R145k-R150k.....

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 27, 2019, 12:48:56 pm
Yebo - Probably R145k-R150k.....

Lot more than a 450L, for the money..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 27, 2019, 12:51:23 pm
From everything I read, and YouTube'ed, the Unicorn seem real and to me, appealing:


Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 12:56:23 pm
I'm buying one, not sure yet where the monies will be coming from, but I'm buying one!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 27, 2019, 02:12:20 pm
I'm buying one, not sure yet where the monies will be coming from, but I'm buying one!

Me too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 27, 2019, 03:21:03 pm
Based on that logic I'm also getting one.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rough Rider on May 27, 2019, 03:22:56 pm
We need to change the title of the thread to T7 Production (Finally).
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 27, 2019, 04:34:10 pm
Chatted to a sales guy at Yamaha and he estimates it will be priced around R170k.

I don't entirely understand how the manufacturers determine pricing in different markets.

The yamaha is about 2700 Pounds cheaper (8400.00 pounds) than the KTM 790 (11100.00 pounds) i.e. 75% of the cost in the UK.

The 790 is about R186k so I'd guess the Yamaha should be in the region of about R139k ... if it stays in line with the UK pricing.

Yebo - Probably R145k-R150k.....

Dream on. Remember Bidvest are the owners of the brand locally and they definitely do not feel the passion. It all about Rands and cents.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 04:42:13 pm
@KaTooMatt - you basing price point on your view of Bidvest?   :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 27, 2019, 05:45:47 pm
@KaTooMatt - you basing price point on your view of Bidvest?   :spitcoffee:

 :imaposer:  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 27, 2019, 06:14:41 pm
@KaTooMatt - you basing price point on your view of Bidvest?   :spitcoffee:

Katoomat makes a strong point.

When Bidvest took over Yamaha SA a few years ago, spares prices immediately rocketed, and considering that Yamaha sits with by FAR the most parts stock in SA, Bidvest were creaming the profit.

Bidvest definitely feel fuck-all for the brand, just another profit generator.

Ai where is Charlie Young??
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 06:42:58 pm
Keeping spares and pricing accordingly is not quite the same than retail motorcycle pricing.

But let’s see, we will be waiting until 2020 anyway before it lands here and by then who knows where it will sit price wise in the market. The 790 will most definitely get a new tablet and be priced accordingly.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 27, 2019, 06:49:28 pm
Keeping spares and pricing accordingly is not quite the same than retail motorcycle pricing.

But let’s see, we will be waiting until 2020 anyway before it lands here and by then who knows where it will sit price wise in the market. The 790 will most definitely get a new tablet and be priced accordingly.

It could even be Bidvest that priced the 660Z out of the market locally.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 27, 2019, 07:06:30 pm
Keeping spares and pricing accordingly is not quite the same than retail motorcycle pricing.

But let’s see, we will be waiting until 2020 anyway before it lands here and by then who knows where it will sit price wise in the market. The 790 will most definitely get a new tablet and be priced accordingly.
I have heard it's August
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 27, 2019, 07:26:57 pm
Keeping spares and pricing accordingly is not quite the same than retail motorcycle pricing.

But let’s see, we will be waiting until 2020 anyway before it lands here and by then who knows where it will sit price wise in the market. The 790 will most definitely get a new tablet and be priced accordingly.
I have heard it's August

Ask the price.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 28, 2019, 08:01:37 am
Cool teaser vid. Riding only


Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: pietas on May 28, 2019, 08:37:45 am
I like this bike. The reviews I had seem all seem faviourable. Not a lot of gizmoz
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 28, 2019, 09:59:28 am
Cool teaser vid. Riding only


48 seconds, seems it has more than enough power  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2019, 11:46:11 am


Great Review.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2019, 11:57:56 am
You can have 70Hp and be able to use most of it,

or you can have 150HP and use less than half of it.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 28, 2019, 12:25:49 pm
Filter under the seat jobbie like before ? Wonder if it's paper, material or foam ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2019, 12:29:09 pm
You can have 70Hp and be able to use most of it,

or you can have 150HP and use less than half of it.


100% agree and you have a lighter more fun bike with the 70HP.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 28, 2019, 12:42:33 pm
@KaTooMatt - you basing price point on your view of Bidvest?   :spitcoffee:
I don't believe Yamaha and Bidvest are a good fit. Yamaha is an emotive product be it musical instruments, HiFi or Motorcycles. There is a lot of heart in the purchase.

Bidvest is mostly in the type of business where efficiency and cost cutting give you decent returns. With Yamaha if you penny pinch on the technicians. I wont have faith in the level of service I can expect and will take my business elsewhere. The matrix is one of return on investment. They don't measure the loyalty attained so yes I believe the 660 was over priced. Let alone never being able to find the 660 you wanted. They did not get that getting me onto a Yamaha might win me as a customer for life. With the resultant annuity business. Ultimate Performance met me with what I wanted and today I am a KTM fan boy.

I don't have an issue with Bidvest. I think Bidvest getting involved with Yamaha is bad for both of them. I don't think the Yamaha experience centre works and I suspect it would be regarded as a mistake today.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 28, 2019, 12:44:14 pm
You can have 70Hp and be able to use most of it,

Not even speaking about 150hp, but quick question.... how many people will be able to handle, or more unlikely, use 70hp.

Never thought I would be so excited about the launch of a new bike  :deal:  (except maybe about the soon to be in this century, the Honda electric start full rally XR650R without the "L" smogging up - I wish :P )
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 28, 2019, 01:45:51 pm
Greek review with a lot of positives remarks as well

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Abrie7 on May 28, 2019, 03:15:01 pm
Very nice. This bike might just be worth the very long wait.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 28, 2019, 03:32:39 pm
Greek review...

Is it my imagination, or is the Greek faster than the Limey?
Is this not a race?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 28, 2019, 06:16:33 pm
@KaTooMatt - you basing price point on your view of Bidvest?   :spitcoffee:
I don't believe Yamaha and Bidvest are a good fit. Yamaha is an emotive product be it musical instruments, HiFi or Motorcycles. There is a lot of heart in the purchase.

Bidvest is mostly in the type of business where efficiency and cost cutting give you decent returns. With Yamaha if you penny pinch on the technicians. I wont have faith in the level of service I can expect and will take my business elsewhere. The matrix is one of return on investment. They don't measure the loyalty attained so yes I believe the 660 was over priced. Let alone never being able to find the 660 you wanted. They did not get that getting me onto a Yamaha might win me as a customer for life. With the resultant annuity business. Ultimate Performance met me with what I wanted and today I am a KTM fan boy.

I don't have an issue with Bidvest. I think Bidvest getting involved with Yamaha is bad for both of them. I don't think the Yamaha experience centre works and I suspect it would be regarded as a mistake today.
You seem to know quite a bit about Yamaha and Bidvest.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2019, 06:22:18 pm
I don't believe Yamaha and Bidvest are a good fit. Yamaha is an emotive product be it musical instruments, HiFi or Motorcycles. There is a lot of heart in the purchase.

Bidvest is mostly in the type of business where efficiency and cost cutting give you decent returns. With Yamaha if you penny pinch on the technicians. I wont have faith in the level of service I can expect and will take my business elsewhere. The matrix is one of return on investment. They don't measure the loyalty attained so yes I believe the 660 was over priced. Let alone never being able to find the 660 you wanted. They did not get that getting me onto a Yamaha might win me as a customer for life. With the resultant annuity business. Ultimate Performance met me with what I wanted and today I am a KTM fan boy.

I don't have an issue with Bidvest. I think Bidvest getting involved with Yamaha is bad for both of them. I don't think the Yamaha experience centre works and I suspect it would be regarded as a mistake today.

I have to agree Bidvest is purely about Profit. I happen to know lots of unhappy dealers in the Marine industry where Yamaha always dominated. The rules have changed and sales are down. The Passion is not their.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 28, 2019, 06:23:12 pm
Greek review...

Is it my imagination, or is the Greek faster than the Limey?
Is this not a race?

It’s always a race.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 28, 2019, 06:25:03 pm
@KaTooMatt @Bwana - I’m still not sure how that will, by default, pitch the Yamaha at a higher price point?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2019, 06:30:24 pm
Sorry have modified numbers meaning profit. It is now best I keep my mouth shut as I wouldnt want to affect friends working for Bidvest. 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2019, 08:12:53 pm
@KaTooMatt @Bwana - I’m still not sure how that will, by default, pitch the Yamaha at a higher price point?

Profit is king.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 28, 2019, 08:26:11 pm
@KaTooMatt @Bwana - I’m still not sure how that will, by default, pitch the Yamaha at a higher price point?

Profit is king.

Nobody manufactures and sells motorcycles for charity.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: ska_sa on May 28, 2019, 08:36:37 pm
How close will they pitch it price wise against the 1200Z? I’m eagerly awaiting this bike and around R140k -R150k it would come under the AT

I chatted to Yamaha today and the 2019 MT07 is R147k so will it possibly be at R170k-R180k?

The wait continues
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2019, 09:27:19 pm
How close will they pitch it price wise against the 1200Z? I’m eagerly awaiting this bike and around R140k -R150k it would come under the AT

I chatted to Yamaha today and the 2019 MT07 is R147k so will it possibly be at R170k-R180k?

The wait continues

Its got to undercut the 790 considerably as in other markets  to make significant sales.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 28, 2019, 09:29:55 pm
How close will they pitch it price wise against the 1200Z? I’m eagerly awaiting this bike and around R140k -R150k it would come under the AT

I chatted to Yamaha today and the 2019 MT07 is R147k so will it possibly be at R170k-R180k?

The wait continues

Its got to undercut the 790 considerably as in other markets  to make significant sales.
Agree, 170-180 will be a crying shame
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2019, 09:31:53 pm
@KaTooMatt @Bwana - I’m still not sure how that will, by default, pitch the Yamaha at a higher price point?

Profit is king.

Nobody manufactures and sells motorcycles for charity.

Of course not, but profit should be reasonable, and I believe Bidvest sees in Yamaha a product that they can get away with charging a bit extra, to the detriment of the rider.

And as Bidvest will eventually figure out, themselves as well.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 29, 2019, 04:21:00 am
@KaTooMatt @Bwana - I’m still not sure how that will, by default, pitch the Yamaha at a higher price point?

Profit is king.

Nobody manufactures and sells motorcycles for charity.

Of course not, but profit should be reasonable, and I believe Bidvest sees in Yamaha a product that they can get away with charging a bit extra, to the detriment of the rider.

And as Bidvest will eventually figure out, themselves as well.

I don’t believe the same. Now we wait and see....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 07:43:35 am
How close will they pitch it price wise against the 1200Z? I’m eagerly awaiting this bike and around R140k -R150k it would come under the AT

I chatted to Yamaha today and the 2019 MT07 is R147k so will it possibly be at R170k-R180k?

The wait continues

Its got to undercut the 790 considerably as in other markets  to make significant sales.

It depends on how you value things long-term.

Take the 660z as example, compared to the KTM690.

Lots of very high mileage Yamaha 660's around, few 690 though.

Long-term the T7 will offer far better value than the 790,
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2019, 08:18:58 am
How close will they pitch it price wise against the 1200Z? I’m eagerly awaiting this bike and around R140k -R150k it would come under the AT

I chatted to Yamaha today and the 2019 MT07 is R147k so will it possibly be at R170k-R180k?

The wait continues

Its got to undercut the 790 considerably as in other markets  to make significant sales.

It depends on how you value things long-term.

Take the 660z as example, compared to the KTM690.

Lots of very high mileage Yamaha 660's around, few 690 though.

Long-term the T7 will offer far better value than the 790,
See how many XT600 Tenere 34L's still around
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 08:26:59 am
The thing is though, if you want exitement, get a bike from austria. Even if it is assembled somewhere else.
Yes, the yam like other jap offerings, will offer a long service life, but not as a very sharp tool. Yes, of course you can chuck a cheque book at it, and modify into a beast.
Roadbike engines get notoriously re/detuned for use in adv bikes or nakeds, hopefully this will not happen with the T7.
Nou moet ek eers gaan wegkruip, 2SD gaan my keyboard in my hol kom druk... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 29, 2019, 08:32:41 am
The thing is though, if you want exitement, get a bike from austria. Even if it is assembled somewhere else.
Yes, the yam like other jap offerings, will offer a long service life, but not as a very sharp tool. Yes, of course you can chuck a cheque book at it, and modify into a beast.
Roadbike engines get notoriously re/detuned for use in adv bikes or nakeds, hopefully this will not happen with the T7.
Nou moet ek eers gaan wegkruip, 2SD gaan my keyboard in my hol kom druk... :peepwall:

I really hope they retuned the motor, why would you want roadbike manners on a proper Adventure bike? From the sound of it they had qualified engineers making these decision which I find very reassuring.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: pietas on May 29, 2019, 10:01:39 am
Some of the reporters/reviewers noted that the engine is the MT-07 engine but tuned and mapped differently for adventure us.
Also, the bike was developed and build in Europe and not Japan. With their blessing
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 10:05:21 am
What would you prefer?
A motor that is tuned so flat, that you need to spend money to spruce it up?
Or would you prefer a strong engine, with multiple ride modes and aids like tc, where you can decide and even turn it off.
Why will the roadbike engine not work, becuase a mechanical engineer with thick glasses said so?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 29, 2019, 10:08:18 am
I really hope they retuned the motor, why would you want roadbike manners on a proper Adventure bike? From the sound of it they had qualified engineers making these decision which I find very reassuring.

The motor of the MT07 I rode (briefly) felt like a nice, torquey/revvy engine, at the time I thought it would make a good ADV motor (much better than the BMW 800 that I also had a ride on at the time)
I for one would hope the the re-tune is not a de-tune - in road form it felt pretty good - actually, my hope for the T7 is based on my spin on the MT07
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 29, 2019, 10:09:54 am
I am biased towards ptwins but anyone who's ridden the MT07 platform will know that motor will work in an adventure bike as is
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 29, 2019, 10:26:22 am
What would you prefer?
A motor that is tuned so flat, that you need to spend money to spruce it up?
Or would you prefer a strong engine, with multiple ride modes and aids like tc, where you can decide and even turn it off.
Why will the roadbike engine not work, becuase a mechanical engineer with thick glasses said so?

Maybe watch a couple of reviews, then comment again.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 10:33:32 am
Nope. I`d rather ride the real mccoy and decide for myself my brother. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 29, 2019, 10:36:47 am
Nope. I`d rather ride the real mccoy and decide for myself my brother. :thumleft:

 :thumleft:

“The only reason people do not know much is because they do not care to know. They are incurious. Incuriousity is the oddest and most foolish failing there is.”
― Stephen Fry
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 29, 2019, 12:17:31 pm
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Odd Dog on May 29, 2019, 12:41:25 pm
I am biased towards ptwins but anyone who's ridden the MT07 platform will know that motor will work in an adventure bike as is

You are right, I own one that's how I know,
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 29, 2019, 12:54:45 pm
If it's HP one is after I'm sure a pipe, removing the intake restrictions and a reflash of the ECU will add  10hp + but I honestly feel that 75 or whatever hp it has will be more than enough, if you consider that the Husky 701 puts out  67hp and 65nm and that thing is fast and strong enough to scare the shit out of most people then the 70 odd hp and whatever nm the yami puts out is more than enough' is it aimed at the 790 ,,, maybe a little, will it sell? ,, bucket loads I rate, but maybe not here in SA where the dutchmen always want big HP to go with the double brannas, fat wives/girlfriends and Land cruisers. Will I be getting one?  you can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as I get my daughters wedding out the way one will grace my entrance hall at home.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 29, 2019, 01:03:56 pm
Thank @Dwerg - nice honest review. Seems that most journos can't get enough of that motor!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on May 29, 2019, 01:12:58 pm
My take on the T7 and 790: When I go places with cellphone reception I'll take the 790. When I go to the real boendoes with no cellphone reception the T7 is my weapon of choice! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 29, 2019, 01:17:58 pm
My take on the T7 and 790: When I go places with cellphone reception I'll take the 790. When I go to the real boendoes with no cellphone reception the T7 is my weapon of choice! :thumleft:
So let's decode this,  "When I go places with cellphone reception I'll take the 790" (News Cafe Sandton)   "When I go to the real boendoes with no cellphone reception the T7 is my weapon of choice" (riding trails)    got it,,,hahahaha
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 01:35:07 pm
That is a lekker review. I will definitely test ride it.
And also, testride a dik cherrie and a land cruiser, in no specific order :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 29, 2019, 02:09:51 pm
So far sounds like a typical Yamaha adventure bike. Even though there are........... compromises, they always manage to be a little more than the sum of their parts.

As a full time professional dwarf, it's a little disappointing that even with the lowered seat it's still higher than the 790ADV with the seat on the tall configuration, yet clearance and travel are virtually the same.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 29, 2019, 03:36:41 pm
So far sounds like a typical Yamaha adventure bike. Even though there are........... compromises, they always manage to be a little more than the sum of their parts.

As a full time professional dwarf, it's a little disappointing that even with the lowered seat it's still higher than the 790ADV with the seat on the tall configuration, yet clearance and travel are virtually the same.
Going to be interesting, they say that the really narrow seat makes it easy to sit on and as you say the sum of their parts story is spot on, there is no  perfect bike for all situations but I do believe the 790 is pretty good.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on May 29, 2019, 04:30:44 pm
So far sounds like a typical Yamaha adventure bike. Even though there are........... compromises, they always manage to be a little more than the sum of their parts.

As a full time professional dwarf, it's a little disappointing that even with the lowered seat it's still higher than the 790ADV with the seat on the tall configuration, yet clearance and travel are virtually the same.
Going to be interesting, they say that the really narrow seat makes it easy to sit on and as you say the sum of their parts story is spot on, there is no  perfect bike for all situations but I do believe the 790 is pretty good.

They have a lowering link option according to one of the vids.. For the T7..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2019, 04:34:13 pm
Damn it's n hot looking bike  :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 04:48:15 pm
So far sounds like a typical Yamaha adventure bike. Even though there are........... compromises, they always manage to be a little more than the sum of their parts.

As a full time professional dwarf, it's a little disappointing that even with the lowered seat it's still higher than the 790ADV with the seat on the tall configuration, yet clearance and travel are virtually the same.

It's an unfortunate result of that tall engine from the streetbike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2019, 05:20:53 pm
Great looking bike thats for sure. Just those looks will sell it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 29, 2019, 05:33:16 pm
As a full time professional dwarf...

I have the opposite, being a full time beanstalk, I didn't jel with the 450/500's, and which is one of the reasons I still like my 650R, the seat to peg distance is longer than most (i even have a tall seat option on the bike, and attend the Active Virgin just so I can lift my foot high enough to swing over the saddle).

The fact that the travel and clearance is the same as the KTM is to me one less comparison to worry about, the fact that peg to seat  reach is longer, and that there is a taller seat available, a bonus.

To echo @sidetrack, damn, it's good looking  :thumleft:



Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 05:38:04 pm
Stop straying Beserker, stick to the 450L.
Being a beanstalk, worried about ergonomics on the 450L? You can always sit on a 5l can off oil, that you will need to service the bike every second day of riding... :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2019, 06:52:12 pm
Stop straying Beserker, stick to the 450L.
Being a beanstalk, worried about ergonomics on the 450L? You can always sit on a 5l can off oil, that you will need to service the bike every second day of riding... :patch:
Common misconception, I would ride a L for 2000km between services without blinking an eye
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 29, 2019, 07:07:58 pm
I can't wait to get hold of one just to see what allowing it to breath does to the motors performance.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 07:21:41 pm
I can't wait to get hold of one just to see what allowing it to breath does to the motors performance.

On the MT-07 the power on the back wheel is 68HP. Just a de-cat takes it to 72-74HP.

They use the same cross-plane 270degree CP2 engine.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 07:24:01 pm
I saw an interesting quote on the power of this T7.

"The next AMA supercross race in the 450 class, will be won on a bike with less power than the T7"

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 07:34:49 pm
I saw an interesting quote on the power of this T7.

"The next AMA supercross race in the 450 class, will be won on a bike with less power than the T7"

Yes, with less weight than a t7 too.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 07:36:35 pm
I saw an interesting quote on the power of this T7.

"The next AMA supercross race in the 450 class, will be won on a bike with less power than the T7"

Yes, with less weight than a t7 too.

No!!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 07:44:20 pm
Trek net jou been. Daai 450's is 2 maal swaarder as die t7. :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 29, 2019, 07:44:52 pm
I saw an interesting quote on the power of this T7.

"The next AMA supercross race in the 450 class, will be won on a bike with less power than the T7"
I'm with you but what would the fun be in not trying ?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 07:49:59 pm
I saw an interesting quote on the power of this T7.

"The next AMA supercross race in the 450 class, will be won on a bike with less power than the T7"
I'm with you but what would the fun be in not trying ?

It's the age-old thing of bikers, nothing is ever left standard. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2019, 07:52:21 pm
If it's HP one is after I'm sure a pipe, removing the intake restrictions and a reflash of the ECU will add  10hp + but I honestly feel that 75 or whatever hp it has will be more than enough, if you consider that the Husky 701 puts out  67hp and 65nm and that thing is fast and strong enough to scare the shit out of most people then the 70 odd hp and whatever nm the yami puts out is more than enough' is it aimed at the 790 ,,, maybe a little, will it sell? ,, bucket loads I rate, but maybe not here in SA where the dutchmen always want big HP to go with the double brannas, fat wives/girlfriends and Land cruisers. Will I be getting one?  you can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as I get my daughters wedding out the way one will grace my entrance hall at home.

701 puts out 74hp
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2019, 08:20:10 pm
The 701 is a single pot hardcore bike. This is a proper adventure bike for tar cruising and dirt. Different markets.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 08:52:09 pm
If it's HP one is after I'm sure a pipe, removing the intake restrictions and a reflash of the ECU will add  10hp + but I honestly feel that 75 or whatever hp it has will be more than enough, if you consider that the Husky 701 puts out  67hp and 65nm and that thing is fast and strong enough to scare the shit out of most people then the 70 odd hp and whatever nm the yami puts out is more than enough' is it aimed at the 790 ,,, maybe a little, will it sell? ,, bucket loads I rate, but maybe not here in SA where the dutchmen always want big HP to go with the double brannas, fat wives/girlfriends and Land cruisers. Will I be getting one?  you can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as I get my daughters wedding out the way one will grace my entrance hall at home.

701 puts out 74hp

At the crankshaft, probably 60 on the wheel.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2019, 09:20:21 pm
The 701 is a single pot hardcore bike. This is a proper adventure bike for tar cruising and dirt. Different markets.

Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 09:36:27 pm
The 701 is a single pot hardcore bike. This is a proper adventure bike for tar cruising and dirt. Different markets.

Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.

With rally kit fitted, a 701 is more expensive, by quite a margin, than the T7. It is also not that much lighter anymore, and just as susceptible to crash damage with all the extras on board.

On several of the vids I watched, the opinion is that the T7 is one of the best balances between tar and dirt in a long time.

Come on Dominique, admit Yamaha got it right! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2019, 09:39:20 pm
The 701 is a single pot hardcore bike. This is a proper adventure bike for tar cruising and dirt. Different markets.

Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.
Dom if a wide mix of riders can take AT’s through Kaokoland then believe me the T7 will suit 90% of riders out there just fine. The 10%’s who do “proper adventure” ride like Xpat will do better on  a 500 or 450L. The T7 is going to be a big seller for Yamaha and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 29, 2019, 09:42:13 pm
Long live the Tenere Legend Viva !
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2019, 09:43:55 pm


Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.
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With rally kit fitted, a 701 is more expensive, by quite a margin, than the T7. It is also not that much lighter anymore, and just as susceptible to crash damage with all the extras on board.

On several of the vids I watched, the opinion is that the T7 is one of the best balances between tar and dirt in a long time.

Come on Dominique, admit Yamaha got it right! :thumleft:
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I think the Yamaha is nice - no question, and will sell well. Far more no nonsense than the 790 imho. Re the 701 rally kits - I am personally not a fan of the big kits with the extra tanks (Omega etc). I have the Rade Garage lite kit and an extra underseat tank. Keeps the bike light and no bulk up front and all one actually needs.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 09:47:21 pm


Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.

With rally kit fitted, a 701 is more expensive, by quite a margin, than the T7. It is also not that much lighter anymore, and just as susceptible to crash damage with all the extras on board.

On several of the vids I watched, the opinion is that the T7 is one of the best balances between tar and dirt in a long time.

Come on Dominique, admit Yamaha got it right! :thumleft:
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I think the Yamaha is nice - no question, and will sell well. Far more no nonsense than the 790 imho. Re the 701 rally kits - I am personally not a fan of the big kits with the extra tanks (Omega etc). I have the Rade Garage lite kit and an extra underseat tank. Keeps the bike light and no bulk up front and all one actually needs.  :thumleft:
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Very nice, those Rade garage stuff.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 29, 2019, 10:15:57 pm
The 701 is a single pot hardcore bike. This is a proper adventure bike for tar cruising and dirt. Different markets.

Yes I think you got the order right 1) tar cruising 2) ... and dirt. 
The markets are not that different though - there are an amazing number of 701 rally type kits available and a lot of adventure riders in Europe and elsewhere using them for "proper adventure riding". Largely because they are 40+ kg lighter and more offroad capable.
Dom if a wide mix of riders can take AT’s through Kaokoland then believe me the T7 will suit 90% of riders out there just fine. The 10%’s who do “proper adventure” ride like Xpat will do better on  a 500 or 450L. The T7 is going to be a big seller for Yamaha and deservedly so.

Holy Moly Jacques, what are you smoking? I mean I'm glad you are excited about this bike and all, but let's keep at least some resemblance of reality here. I think it is high time for you to go and ride Kaokoland before you say things like the stuff above. I can assure you that 90% of riders will kak off there on T7, unless they have many buddies in attendance who will basically have to carry their bikes over many sections, as was the case in that event you refer to.

And even then they will only manage very circumcised straight through route - as most trips there do, missing some of the best bits, as fatigue of dragging this kind of heavy bike will catch up with them quickly. So, unless they have about 3 weeks or more to do it (I mean just Kaokoland and Damaraland, not commute there and back) so you can take every third day off, T7 would be seriously bad choice for Kaokoland. Especially for average Joe, who may not get more chance to go there, and therefore has to get maximum out of that one trip.

Wildwood has been running bike tours there for longest and he knows very well why he insists that the biggest bikes he is willing to take through there are 650 dualsports. Yes people have done it on big bikes - me included, but I can assure you that they haven't done even half of the proper riding there that we have done there with Straatkat and JustBendIt on lightweight dual sports. T7 will get you there and back home in comfort, but will be seriously limiting there if you want to do it properly - i.e. not to miss best places.

As I said - enjoy the excitement and all and I'm not dissing T7 here at all, but I let's not get silly here. The bike has its purpose and will hopefully succeed - unless they price it out of market - but the purpose is not to take average Joe through Kaokoland.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2019, 06:58:21 am
As a full time professional dwarf...

I have the opposite, being a full time beanstalk, I didn't jel with the 450/500's, and which is one of the reasons I still like my 650R, the seat to peg distance is longer than most (i even have a tall seat option on the bike, and attend the Active Virgin just so I can lift my foot high enough to swing over the saddle).

The fact that the travel and clearance is the same as the KTM is to me one less comparison to worry about, the fact that peg to seat  reach is longer, and that there is a taller seat available, a bonus.

To echo @sidetrack, damn, it's good looking  :thumleft:

Don’t forget my comparison is the standard, not the R model. And you get a tall seat for the R too. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Yami but the 790R will murder it in pretty much every aspect
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 30, 2019, 07:12:07 am
 I dont think the T7 was ever aimed at killing the 790
Perhaps it is aimed at something a bit more zesty than the 850gs and the triumph 800, and offering more than the singles.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 07:15:03 am
I think everyone is totally losing the plot at the moment, 99.9% of riders won't do what Xpat does and have no desire to do what Xpat does, and I am one of those 99.9% of riders, could I do it ? yes but I enjoy doing over nighters and the odd 2 nighters with a good mix of dirt and tar that take my mind off my mundane everyday existence, as for the 790 will murder the 700,,, where and how?, let's take a ride to ET from Pretoria,, we will both get there, if you get there a lot quicker than me then one of us is in the wrong group and that's my point, I ride an S10 my mates ride everything from 800Xc's to 1190's to 1200Gs's and we all seem to get where we are going at the same time.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2019, 07:24:27 am
My point is just that the R and the T should not be directly compared. It’s unfair to both. And in the end you’re right, they are for the most part going to serve exactly the same purpose
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 07:26:29 am
My point is just that the R and the T should not be directly compared. It’s unfair to both. And in the end you’re right, they are for the most part going to serve exactly the same purpose
I think the main thing is that either of the bikes will spend most of their lives in suburbia
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 07:29:02 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 07:34:54 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.
HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on May 30, 2019, 07:35:50 am
This debate, with opinions pulling back and forth one way, then the other is very interesting an' all, but I'm just wondering.

If the riding areas that you guys are discussing were in India wouldn't they be crowded with everyday okes on standard Enfields with their womenfolk sitting sidesaddle on the pillion?  :-\
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on May 30, 2019, 07:41:05 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.

I did want to comment as well on that.. have been there before and T7 would do just great. So would a 790, or 990, or AT
Besides, you wont ride all the way there on a 500/250 either which to me is a big part of the adventure
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on May 30, 2019, 07:44:53 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.


hey hey easy tiger



And Xpat did do Kaokoland with a 660Z (it broke btw) so his opinion was based on that

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 07:47:23 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.

I did want to comment as well on that.. have been there before and T7 would do just great. So would a 790, or 990, or AT
Besides, you wont ride all the way there on a 500/250 either which to me is a big part of the adventure
Nail ......Head,   I ride my scooter to where we having the fun but must admit that sometimes I wish there was a trailer and car to take me home on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 07:49:13 am
People ride around the world on everything from 50cc to 1250cc's  all seems like adventure to me
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 07:52:17 am
People ride around the world on everything from 50cc to 1250cc's  all seems like adventure to me

Are we now agreeing to agree? What's next, hugging out our differences? Don't you have a race against me Saturday morning to prepare for?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 30, 2019, 08:09:26 am
There is not a one-bike-in-the -garage,  that will tick all the boxes for a very diverse riding market, and that is very evident in this discussion around the T7 too.
And that is why guys like Noneking had a 1190 and a 701, 2sd a 701 and a 600xt etc. Different weapons for different riding.
But I think the T7 will slot in nicely for the one bike people, can be a comfy ish long distance hauler, workhorse in the week, okay for off road riding, reliable and last for a long time.
And if the motor is a little gem that nspires "spirited riding", that is a very big plus too.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 08:10:30 am
There is not a one-bike-in-the -garage,  that will tick all the boxes for a very diverse riding market, and that is very evident in this discussion around the T7 too.
And that is why guys like Noneking had a 1190 and a 701, 2sd a 701 and a 600xt etc. Different weapons for different riding.
But I think the T7 will slot in nicely for the one bike people, can be a comfy ish long distance hauler, workhorse in the week, okay for off road riding, reliable and last for a long time.
And if the motor is a little gem that nspires "spirited riding", that is a very big plus too.

Soek jy 'n drukkie?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 30, 2019, 08:12:29 am
Nie nou nie, ek is nou by die salon vir my facial
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 08:14:04 am
Nie nou nie, ek is nou by die salon vir my facial

 :lol8:   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 30, 2019, 08:51:52 am
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.


hey hey easy tiger



And Xpat did do Kaokoland with a 660Z (it broke btw) so his opinion was based on that
His clutch burnt out from what I can remember
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 30, 2019, 09:21:43 am
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding in a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.

Not every single guy on a bike that want to do some dirt riding has to have a 500 otherwise they are wrong. People have done much worse than Kakaoland on much less suitable bikes than a T7 and many of them did not burnout their clutch.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on May 30, 2019, 09:29:59 am
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding to a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.

Not every single guy on a bike that want to do some dirt riding has to have a 500 otherwise they are wrong. People have done much worse than Kakaoland on much less suitable bikes than a T7 and many of them did not burnout their clutch.



Joined the scrambler crowd the other day. Did tons of thick sand but I was surviving and they were playing.
Anyhow, just had a laugh at it, they had nice bikes but nicer bakkies to get the bikes there. Went hand in hand
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 30, 2019, 09:38:59 am
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding to a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.

Not every single guy on a bike that want to do some dirt riding has to have a 500 otherwise they are wrong. People have done much worse than Kakaoland on much less suitable bikes than a T7 and many of them did not burnout their clutch.



Joined the scrambler crowd the other day. Did tons of thick sand but I was surviving and they were playing.
Anyhow, just had a laugh at it, they had nice bikes but nicer bakkies to get the bikes there. Went hand in hand

Exactly, I joined people on 450's 250's and 300's in the Sand, whoops, singletracks  etc on my 690 plenty. They dropped me in the sand whoops, and I definitely was slower where it got a lot more knarly  but when they stopped to rest I was right there. We had a great day riding, all laughing and poking fun,  at the end of a long day I said my goodbyes and went home. I was often home before they were done loading. When I was not it was because I spotted another area on the way and went to explore. I never wished I had one of the other bikes instead. Even in the whoops where I have to ride each one and they just skip on top of them.

Obviously the plastic bikes are better that's what they are made for- that single purpose - I would still love to have a 500 or maybe a 350 some day, but it's not to say one cannot do it because your bike is a bit burly. A dual purpose bike exactly that, suppose to have a dual purpose. In the T7's case - Have fun on  gravel and maybe even a bit more and do tar, and go see what off-road paths there are to the other town 500km away.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on May 30, 2019, 10:05:16 am
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding to a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.


Joined the scrambler crowd the other day. Did tons of thick sand but I was surviving and they were playing.
Anyhow, just had a laugh at it, they had nice bikes but nicer bakkies to get the bikes there. Went hand in hand

Exactly, I joined people on 450's 250's and 300's in the Sand, whoops, singletracks  etc on my 690 plenty. They dropped me in the sand whoops, and I definitely was slower where it got a lot more knarly  but when they stopped to rest I was right there.


Lets not talk about the resting!!!! damn!! they rested all the time! 3/4 into the ride we couldn't take it anymore and quit. The dust was a frustration but as soon as you got the spacing right they stopped for another big smoke break!

But off topic

why so little pics lately of the T7? there should be some nice new ones circulating as the unicorn is losing its horn
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: roxenz on May 30, 2019, 12:14:37 pm
very positive review

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/tenere-700-first-look/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 12:27:20 pm
People ride around the world on everything from 50cc to 1250cc's  all seems like adventure to me

Are we now agreeing to agree? What's next, hugging out our differences? Don't you have a race against me Saturday morning to prepare for?
Told you I'm walking my dog as well on Saturday and she's moer unfit
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 12:48:15 pm
People ride around the world on everything from 50cc to 1250cc's  all seems like adventure to me

Are we now agreeing to agree? What's next, hugging out our differences? Don't you have a race against me Saturday morning to prepare for?
Told you I'm walking my dog as well on Saturday and she's moer unfit

You sound like an ATM rider....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2019, 01:05:06 pm
People ride around the world on everything from 50cc to 1250cc's  all seems like adventure to me

Are we now agreeing to agree? What's next, hugging out our differences? Don't you have a race against me Saturday morning to prepare for?
Told you I'm walking my dog as well on Saturday and she's moer unfit
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

You sound like an ATM rider....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 01:16:33 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 30, 2019, 01:34:34 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?
Bidvest Bank  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 01:37:59 pm
Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?
Bidvest Bank  :biggrin:

PM die rekening details asb  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 30, 2019, 03:10:05 pm
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.

Where exactly did I say T7 is kak? I didn't. All I said is that this category of bike - i.e. 200+ kg adventure bikes is not the right tool for Kaokoland for 90% of riders as sidetrack claimed. Nether is 790.

Can it be done by dedicated riders on big bikes? Sure. It was done by number of people even on GS. And yet at least the ones I'm able to track afterwards like Metaljockey and Damaraland switched after that stunt to much more manageable 650 category for their later exploits.

I have read and enjoyed StrokeHer RR "Kaokoland - I was tired reading about it" years ago when he posted it. Maybe you should too. He mentions there that my RR of my ride there on XT660Z was one of those that nudged him finally to go for that trip. So yes - I have ridden Kaokoland solo on XT660Z and that is what I'm basing my opinion on - not 1190 or GS or whatever you are trying to sneak in.

As others said I have burned the clutch going up VZP, got my ass saved by 70 year old Swiss gentleman on - wait for it - RXV450 and had to retreat to Opuwo. Granted, most people ride VZP down and it is much more tricky up, but that experience vividly demonstrated  limits of 200kg+ bike in Kaokoland. And yes - it is partically my fault because of slipping clutch too much, but if I would be on normal 650 like my prior TE630 I have done Kaokoland on before, I assure I would have made it up just fine even with my limited skills.

But even without the VZP stunt, the bike is just too heavy, and while I was able to ride all the riverbeds I hit (Ugab, Hoanib, Hoarusib), it was very tiring and I had to take many rest days just to recover - and as a result wasted too much time that I could have used to enjoy the area to the fullest- as I did last year on 500.

And it is going to be the same story with this T7 for 90% of riders. Which is not putting it down on it in any way, just statement of limits of this category (790 would be the same scenario).

It is great to see so much excitement about the bike and I'm here only because I'm interested how this is going to pan out with open mind, but IMO the out of control hyperbole that claims this 200+ kg bike can do with average rider the same stuff as 160 kg wet 650 single dual sport (which XTZ is not - to be sure) is doing the bike disservice. This is not slag against this bike, just realistic recognition what category this bike belongs to and what purpose it will serve well. Which is open space adventure riding on and off tar, open desert probably being its home. I have no proof yet, but I would bet good money that it is going to be handful in slow technical stuff (like going from Okongwati all the way to the bottom of VZP) and in sand because of the high COG and compromised ergos that limit ones movement forward (as was the case with XT660Z. And yes, none of this will matter to 90% of its riders - as long as they will not take this through Kaokoland  :imaposer:

IMO you fueled this hyperbole by stating that this is worthy successor of the XT600 Tenere. Which of course it is not, and I'm pretty sure you are perfectly aware of that. This is a great successor of original SuperTenere XTZ 750. If Yamaha would be honest, they would rebrand that anvil they currently call 'SuperTenere' to 'SuperHippo', call this T7 SuperTenere and in ideal world - we don't live in unfortunately - they would come up with real Tenere successor - i.e. the WR700R with long service intervals, you were crying for couple of times.

Yes, this may seem as semantics, but when all is said and done and the bike is finally available here, I would bet you will still be riding 701 and most probably never ride new model Yamaha in this lifetime - unless they come out with that WR700 Tenere successor at which point I'm pretty sure you will switch in a heartbeat.

And that is the whole point of this discussion - real Tenere non-existent successor and this SuperTenere (T7)  are two different categories of bikes, each of them great in their envelope of usage. For Kaokoland the right bike would be that hypothetical WR700 thingy. Which doesn't take anything away from T7 which would be much better for daily commuting and weekend high speed dash on open desert dirt roads and doubletracks.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Xpat on May 30, 2019, 03:23:04 pm
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding in a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.

Not every single guy on a bike that want to do some dirt riding has to have a 500 otherwise they are wrong. People have done much worse than Kakaoland on much less suitable bikes than a T7 and many of them did not burnout their clutch.

Really? So the most famous ride here on WD  - and I will add on advrider.com - Metaljockey's Angola ride documented here is not an adventure because they trailered bikes to Ruacana? http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10359.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10359.0)

Or the same Angola exploit by MaxThePanda? http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133427.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133427.0)

Or MaxThePanda Kaokoland ride (on 'plastic'): http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=215299.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=215299.0)

Or any organized tour either by Specialized Adventures or by Wildwood to Kaokoland?

By your logic none of these matter because they trailered bikes to the starting point instead of slogging it for thousands of kms on boring straight roads killing tyres and sprockets? That is quite cheeky to suggest, considering that by your own admission you have never done remote trip and your riding is limited mostly to daily outrides around CT...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2019, 03:28:33 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 30, 2019, 03:43:04 pm
I must be honest - loading a plastic bike on a trailer - riding in a play area - then trailing it home - is not the same "adventure" riding that other bikes are built for so cannot really be compared. If you want to do that  the best bike is probably going to be a 300 2 Stroke.  790's and T7'sare made to go 10 000km without a service or valve check. You are going to visit towns, do some dirt, go and explore.
it's not the same as loading a your bike off at a gate parking your bakkie and going to explore the mountains.
Neither is better than the other (although I would be partial to the latter) but it's just not comparable.

Not every single guy on a bike that want to do some dirt riding has to have a 500 otherwise they are wrong. People have done much worse than Kakaoland on much less suitable bikes than a T7 and many of them did not burnout their clutch.

Really? So the most famous ride here on WD  - and I will add on advrider.com - Metaljockey's Angola ride documented here is not an adventure because they trailered bikes to Ruacana? http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10359.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10359.0)

Or the same Angola exploit by MaxThePanda? http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133427.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=133427.0)

Or MaxThePanda Kaokoland ride (on 'plastic'): http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=215299.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=215299.0)

Or any organized tour either by Specialized Adventures or by Wildwood to Kaokoland?

By your logic none of these matter because they trailered bikes to the starting point instead of slogging it for thousands of kms on boring straight roads killing tyres and sprockets? That is quite cheeky to suggest, considering that by your own admission you have never done remote trip and your riding is limited mostly to daily outrides around CT...

Firstly - Mostly does not mean always  ;) I also like the fact that I could ride daily and basically did. I don't think the need to plan for weeks to do a ride, then trailer it there is always the only sign of a fun ride.

Secondly, calm down.
If you read my comment again, maybe a bit slower so as not to jump on the defense every time the KTM 500 does not fit the riding then maybe you will see  I never said they were not an adventure or that they didn't matter- I even said I'm partial to that riding. :) - I said that trailing a bike to where you want to go ride is not to be compared to riding there. By your own post as well saying the 500 for instance is not made for long road slogs since it will kill tyres and chains, yet the T7 will do that no problem without having to worry too much about tyre sand chains.

i.e You cannot say the person who is going to buy the T7 must rather buy a 500 since they don't want to trailer the bike to the area they want to ride. They want to ride there, and then ride. They also might not want to climb the Roof of Africa type climbs when they are there...they might just want to enjoy the scenery.  - the T7 will do it and miss according to you the "best spots". The T7 rider might feel perfectly fine riding where he is riding and not care about riding the "best spots"and yet enjoy the adventure riding home as well, whatever that might entail.


I'm not sure what to make of the "Most famous ride" I enjoy reading everyone ride reports and I didn't think anyone does it for fame. I guess I need to look at things in a new light.
I think you REALLY need to realize that when someone doesn't agree with YOUR riding that they are somehow wrong or inferior to you, people are just different and enjoy different things.
Maybe that's not your intention but it certainly comes across that way.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 04:46:25 pm
@Xpat.....

I do agree that to enjoy Kaokoland, the best bike is the lightest one.

However, before you make the T7 off as you do, go and read the ride report by SrokeHer, where he covered the worst of Kaokoland on his Tenere 660Z.

I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

The T7 weighs the same as the 660Z, has a bit more power and better suspension, and it has good clearance.

I believe it would do Kaokoland quite well, even with an average rider on board.

Please do not misunderstand that I am saying it is like a 500/250 in that surroundings, it's not and it will make the rider work harder.

But please bud, you make it sound like the T7 is as kak as a 1190.


hey hey easy tiger



And Xpat did do Kaokoland with a 660Z (it broke btw) so his opinion was based on that

It did not break, the clutch was burnt, rider error.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 05:05:10 pm
Klomp bakkie-bikers. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 05:12:51 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer

Asseblief
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on May 30, 2019, 05:15:41 pm
Klomp bakkie-bikers. :pot:

Hulle isamper erger as die klomp wat so jetski’s rond sleep.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 06:04:22 pm
Klomp bakkie-bikers. :pot:

Hulle isamper erger as die klomp wat so jetski’s rond sleep.

Die Jetski klomp het nog verskoning, hulle kan regtig nie tot by die see ry met die doosbootjie nie.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2019, 06:57:25 pm
Real dirt bikers drive panel vans, not bakkies
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 07:06:05 pm
Real dirt bikers drive panel vans, not bakkies

Only if you ride BMW, to hide the hideousness. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: katana on May 30, 2019, 07:15:39 pm
Real dirt bikers drive panel vans, not bakkies

Only if you ride BMW, to hide the hideousness. :pot:
Definitely not a faker then.  The pots will not make it past the swing open doors...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 08:04:08 pm
Real dirt bikers drive panel vans, not bakkies

Only if you ride BMW, to hide the hideousness. :pot:
Definitely not a faker then.  The pots will not make it past the swing open doors...

You're right. :thumleft:

Of course, now a 790 won't either. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 30, 2019, 09:17:50 pm
Of course, now a 790 won't either. :pot:

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on May 31, 2019, 05:31:57 am
Real dirt bikers drive panel vans, not bakkies

Only if you ride BMW, to hide the hideousness. :pot:

I load my XC on the bakkie sometimes but then I cover the badges     :bueller:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on May 31, 2019, 07:11:46 am
You guys are not dedicated enough with your fancy bakkies.

(https://i.ibb.co/Ky3ttFq/proxy-duckduckgo-com.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sv9kkRn)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: uaedesertfox on May 31, 2019, 01:01:17 pm
Please members, this topic is ........... Yamaha T7 Concept

This topic is becoming a waste of reading time ..

I will chill and take a ride now .....    :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on May 31, 2019, 01:26:01 pm
Please members, this topic is ........... Yamaha T7 Concept

This topic is becoming a waste of reading time ..

I will chill and take a ride now .....    :laughing4:

In other words, just keep on waiting... Waiting on the world to change...

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on May 31, 2019, 01:51:42 pm
Please members, this topic is ........... Yamaha T7 Concept

This topic is becoming a waste of reading time ..

I will chill and take a ride now .....    :laughing4:

Happy?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2019, 01:56:15 pm
I will go and bestride this bike the moment it shows it's lovely face in our dealer showrooms.

Then I will use the T7 for general touring, some bad[ish] roads and tar.

The 701 will be for tougher riding areas.

The Yamaha XT600 will be for the really hectic stuff, where a breakdown will lead to death.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 31, 2019, 02:20:30 pm
Dan, ek sien regtig uit na jou terugvoer.
Ek luister nie graag na joernaliste en self-confessed riding gods se opinies nie, ek dink jou terugvoer sal (dit wat saakmaak) openbaar.
Terloops, ek sien erens jy praat van jouself as n gemiddelde ryer, jy is nie... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on May 31, 2019, 02:23:42 pm
It seems by all accounts the motor is a peach ! Would like to try it, everyone who has ridden the MT07 rates it very highly.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Beserker on May 31, 2019, 08:03:54 pm
I have ridden with Andre for many years, and like myself, he is an average rider.

This is no joke, even I can keep up.. ::)

On the topic, and you will notice it in a lot "shoot outs" between MX or Off Road bikes, where in e.g. DirtRider, they will use diverse ability riders in the process of evaluating a bike, that more often than not the bike with the least amount of brute power inevitably gets rated as the best handling bike, and this is driven by the "average, but still way better rider than me" riders.

Even if you don't use the extra power, it is still inhibiting as you need to control it.

There is such a thing as enough and too much considering personal abilities, and sometimes less is more - from what I've read, in standard trim it would suit the majority of riders, then, the ones that want more, is probably the ones that will modify and tweak regardless of blue and orange.

According to Anfrien van Beveren,  the promo "South Americn" stage was purposely edited to exclude the more extreme stuff as Yamaha did not consider it their target market.
He admitted

I for one wouldn't mind riding to the level of their expected target market, or what AvB calls the "spirit" of teh bike.

 


The commentator is a bit of an arsehole, skip to 6:06, but still.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on June 01, 2019, 11:25:14 am
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer

Asseblief

Dealer het nie veel info nie. Reken eers volgende jaar
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 01, 2019, 12:17:28 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer

Asseblief

Dealer het nie veel info nie. Reken eers volgende jaar

Jaco het jy toe n Tracer gery? En wat dink jy? Ek het die Mt07 gery toe hulle net uitgekom het laat 2013 as ek reg onthou. Ek het toe nog as n bike medic gewerk en stop my Dl650 werk bike en klim op die 07. Goeie pok....wat n bike! Ek het onmidelik n pist gemaak en gese Yamaha moet daai bike n Ds maak en toe se n klomp manne nee die 09 sal eerder die lig sien. Well, die medic is nie heeltemal dom met bikes nie, ek het iets 'reg voordeel.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 01, 2019, 12:43:04 pm
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer

Asseblief

Dealer het nie veel info nie. Reken eers volgende jaar

Jaco het jy toe n Tracer gery? En wat dink jy? Ek het die Mt07 gery toe hulle net uitgekom het laat 2013 as ek reg onthou. Ek het toe nog as n bike medic gewerk en stop my Dl650 werk bike en klim op die 07. Goeie pok....wat n bike! Ek het onmidelik n pist gemaak en gese Yamaha moet daai bike n Ds maak en toe se n klomp manne nee die 09 sal eerder die lig sien. Well, die medic is nie heeltemal dom met bikes nie, ek het iets 'reg voordeel.

Jy het inderdaad!

Alhoewel, in 2013, werk Yamaha seker al reeds 10 jaar aan die T7. :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 01, 2019, 04:03:46 pm
Dealer het nie veel info nie. Reken eers volgende jaar

Is maar hoe ek dit ook het  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 171steve on June 02, 2019, 07:17:58 am
Bloemfontein se dealer se dit sal hier wees desember prys omgeveer 170 en op maar kan nie dit bevestig nie, nou weet ek nie of hy dit maar net gese het om te keer dat ek deposito op n 790 gaan betaal nie want ek het hom gese ek gaan nou deposito betaal op n 790 maar kan die bike eers desember kry so as hulle nou gatte roer kan ek hopelik die yamaha ry voor dan

Sy woorde was wel yamaha sal ook nou n deposito vat vir n T7 maar jinne ek hoor al so lank van die T7 as ek toe ons die eerste keer wat ons die konsep deposito betaal het was die bike nou al afbetaal met die rente wat die deposito geloop het
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 02, 2019, 09:18:09 am
Een van Amerika se suksesvolste motors, die Ford Mustang, het net so n lang aanloop na verkoopsdatum gehad.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 02, 2019, 09:50:54 am
Niemand anders vat deposito op die T7 nie.....wonder wat weet die Bloem verkoopsman wat die ander nie weet nie  :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on June 02, 2019, 10:12:29 am
DT I only started running on Monday,, so will be happy to complete 2.5k's, will try the full distance though,, in a month it will be way easier

Don't be so serious.....  :thumleft:

Back to the topic at hand. Does anybody know when we can pay deposit for orders?

I might be making a turn at Yamaha this weekend. Will ask if you like

The plan is to test ride a MT07 Tracer

Asseblief

Dealer het nie veel info nie. Reken eers volgende jaar

Jaco het jy toe n Tracer gery? En wat dink jy? Ek het die Mt07 gery toe hulle net uitgekom het laat 2013 as ek reg onthou. Ek het toe nog as n bike medic gewerk en stop my Dl650 werk bike en klim op die 07. Goeie pok....wat n bike! Ek het onmidelik n pist gemaak en gese Yamaha moet daai bike n Ds maak en toe se n klomp manne nee die 09 sal eerder die lig sien. Well, die medic is nie heeltemal dom met bikes nie, ek het iets 'reg voordeel.

Ek het die 09 Tracer gery. Hulle het toe nie ‘n 07 gehad nie maar ek het hom al voorheen gery. Stem saam dis ‘n nice motor vir ‘n adventure fiets
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 171steve on June 02, 2019, 12:05:39 pm
Niemand anders vat deposito op die T7 nie.....wonder wat weet die Bloem verkoopsman wat die ander nie weet nie  :patch:

Hy weet daardie deposito gaan 790 toe as hy nie spring nie
Dis wat ek dink
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 05, 2019, 06:59:32 am
I see a couple of reputable US motorcycle sites this week have mentioned that they have unofficially got info of a MSRP for the US spec bike to come in at $10500. That is just under R154k, which is spot on in my opinion.

The only concern, that would effect pricing and sentiment, is if we are getting the Euro spec bike manufactured in France, or the US spec bike manufactured in Japan. As we can see with the initial reaction to the CRF450L spec that launched in SA......it can be devastating to the brand.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on June 07, 2019, 07:17:20 am
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 07, 2019, 07:28:41 am


That engine! It really always gets a special mention........
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2019, 07:55:12 am
I cannot wait to go ride this bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: JacoM on June 07, 2019, 08:12:54 am
Mooi fiets die....
Is seat height spec available?
I really hope it is higher than the KTM 790...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on June 07, 2019, 08:17:25 am
Mooi fiets die....
Is seat height spec available?
I really hope it is higher than the KTM 790...

879mm according to some specs
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 07, 2019, 08:18:29 am
Mooi fiets die....
Is seat height spec available?
I really hope it is higher than the KTM 790...

879mm according to some specs

There are both "higher" and "lower" seating options available on order.....

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on June 07, 2019, 08:19:44 am


There are both "higher" and "lower" seating options available on order.....

Yes, also what I read on one of the reviews
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rough Rider on June 07, 2019, 08:41:27 am
I cannot wait to go ride this bike.

Me neither, and I have felt no urge to ride the 790.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on June 07, 2019, 08:48:59 am
I'm also glad the MT07 has the oil in the motor, the oil in frame / separate tanks is a pain to check levels on. This has been staple for XT's since the late 70's. It worked but made everything a bit more fiddly.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on June 07, 2019, 09:04:32 am
"Better than anything out there but the 790"

That is high praise for a bike that is priced 25% below the 790
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 07, 2019, 10:09:06 am
"Better than anything out there but the 790"

That is high praise for a bike that is priced 25% below the 790

I also think that I am starting to agree with many of the reviewers suggestion that the 790 and the T7 are ultimately fighting in different classes. For most of the Joe's out there they will be in the same class as an "end game" - buying a capable middle weight Adventure bike - but I do agree that the one is pointing harder at Adventure and the other harder at Rally Raid.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on June 07, 2019, 12:39:44 pm
"Better than anything out there but the 790"

That is high praise for a bike that is priced 25% below the 790

I also think that I am starting to agree with many of the reviewers suggestion that the 790 and the T7 are ultimately fighting in different classes. For most of the Joe's out there they will be in the same class as an "end game" - buying a capable middle weight Adventure bike - but I do agree that the one is pointing harder at Adventure and the other harder at Rally Raid.

Agreed.

but I dont for a second devalue the Grin / screaming like a girl factor. Some of us a closet helmet screamers.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on June 07, 2019, 01:33:38 pm
The tank will be a major issue to me, needs a dent in the front as I'm sure I will have a hardon every time I ride it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on June 07, 2019, 02:01:43 pm
The tank will be a major issue to me, needs a dent in the front as I'm sure I will have a hardon every time I ride it.
Hahaha



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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 0012 on June 07, 2019, 03:08:38 pm
The tank will be a major issue to me, needs a dent in the front as I'm sure I will have a hardon every time I ride it.

 :spitcoffee:    :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on June 07, 2019, 04:04:46 pm
Already have one just looking at it  :drif:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Rough Rider on June 11, 2019, 08:16:55 am
A review from a proper dirtbike rider  :3some:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on June 11, 2019, 09:43:57 am
Different people will take different things out of that which to me makes it an excellent review
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: roxenz on June 11, 2019, 11:17:10 am
Yes, excellent review. Probably the closest one can come to an idea of whether it is the bike for you, without giving it a thrashing yourself.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on June 11, 2019, 12:25:49 pm
Yes, excellent review. Probably the closest one can come to an idea of whether it is the bike for you, without giving it a thrashing yourself.

Yip, and also giving the impression that what works for one, might not work for the other. Doesnt make it bad/worse etc.

So far I am quite impressed with the reviews. It does seem like a very well thought out allrounder
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on June 12, 2019, 06:12:08 pm
I think they have aimed at a totally different market than the 790
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on June 12, 2019, 06:46:31 pm
This T7 thing is a but of a f%#c up, I was totally 100% happy with my S10 until these vid's started coming up
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: geopat on June 12, 2019, 08:59:18 pm
Seems to me like  the KTM790 vs T7 debate is the same as the 690 vs XT 660  one is a finely tuned high performance beast  the other is a super reliable all rounder that realistically can do all the same stuff but with a bit less grin
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 12, 2019, 09:12:04 pm
I fail to see a reason why one should compare the 2 other than being in the market for a midrange DS adventure bike.
Both seems like decent bikes, I prefer the T7 because of that engine and a bit more simplicity.....almost a tad oldschool. The Katoom is modern, and also more expensive.
Thinking of the S10 here; definitely a bike that deserved better sales success in SA. It seems to be one of the most reliable heavy weights out there. The T7 will get that sales success though, I have no doubt
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 12, 2019, 09:12:28 pm
Seems to me like  the KTM790 vs T7 debate is the same as the 690 vs XT 660  one is a finely tuned high performance beast  the other is a super reliable all rounder that realistically can do all the same stuff but with a bit less grin

Sure, except that the T7 and 790 is much closer to each other than the 690 and XTZ was or is.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Brink on June 12, 2019, 10:51:42 pm
Interesting riding position,,,,,
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 13, 2019, 07:36:19 am
It looks like that famous and daring "superman" style. :eek7: :eek7: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: geopat on June 13, 2019, 08:41:49 am

Sure, except that the T7 and 790 is much closer to each other than the 690 and XTZ was or is.

Yeah seems like Yamaha is closing the gap a bit on the performance stats and at a significantly lower price too I cant wait for it to be available here seems just the ticket for cederburg type missions I just hope that time proves it will have the legendary tenere reliability although it seems the designers went for robust instead of shitloads of electric farkles which suites me down to the ground
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on June 13, 2019, 09:11:20 am
Interesting riding position,,,,,



What a fantastic picture!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: WimC on July 08, 2019, 02:59:07 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today. It’s a really good looking bike and the pricing in Australia is very competitive.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on July 08, 2019, 02:59:59 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today. It’s a really good looking bike and the pricing in Australia is very competitive.

How much?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 08, 2019, 03:03:31 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today. It’s a really good looking bike and the pricing in Australia is very competitive.

How much?

Also want to know vs the 790?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: WimC on July 08, 2019, 03:13:33 pm
Tenere700  $16700
690 Enduro R $16790
790 Adventure $21195
790 Adventure $22695
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on July 08, 2019, 03:21:46 pm
Still looking at a good 27%-35% gap as per other markets. Now if that will only translate to SA.......here's hoping.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offshore on July 08, 2019, 03:46:33 pm
Interesting riding position,,,,,



What a fantastic picture!
:thumleft: It even has the Shit in the Pic after it hit the Fan.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on July 08, 2019, 04:04:25 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today. It’s a really good looking bike and the pricing in Australia is very competitive.
This post comes from Oz. A places with Witches east and west and flying monkeys and an absent Wizard. Surprised they have not sent photos of a unicorn. These are a little more common than a T7 Yammie adventure bike in the flesh.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 05:19:12 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today. It’s a really good looking bike and the pricing in Australia is very competitive.
This post comes from Oz. A places with Witches east and west and flying monkeys and an absent Wizard. Surprised they have not sent photos of a unicorn. These are a little more common than a T7 Yammie adventure bike in the flesh.

Also the home of super-tough trails like the Simpson desert, which may explain why Yamaha is no2 seller, after Honda, in Aus, and KTM no 6. :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: roxenz on July 08, 2019, 05:43:19 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today.

Like the shirt Wim! Good memories.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 08, 2019, 05:57:48 pm
Another Legend in the making, going to be a good bike
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on July 08, 2019, 06:09:19 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 08, 2019, 07:15:50 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: WimC on July 08, 2019, 07:31:07 pm
Attended the first reveal of the Tenere 700 in Australia today.

Like the shirt Wim! Good memories.
Good memories indeed Andre
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 07:33:26 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: WimC on July 08, 2019, 07:34:46 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk
All frame fitted. All R&D done by manufacturer, not by owners I suspect.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 08, 2019, 07:41:19 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 07:44:06 pm
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?

Maar daai Yammie is gladder as n elektriese motor.....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 08, 2019, 08:01:45 pm
 :laughing4:
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

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The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?

Maar daai Yammie is gladder as n elektriese motor.....

So `n bek kort jam!  Ek dink die T7 gaan vir baie ouens bly maak.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 08:08:02 pm
:laughing4:
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

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The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?

Maar daai Yammie is gladder as n elektriese motor.....

So `n bek kort jam!  Ek dink die T7 gaan vir baie ouens bly maak.

Ek hoop so, na ou Rossi het Yamaha n wenner nodig!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 08, 2019, 08:16:05 pm
:laughing4:
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

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The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?

Maar daai Yammie is gladder as n elektriese motor.....

So `n bek kort jam!  Ek dink die T7 gaan vir baie ouens bly maak.

Ek hoop so, na ou Rossi het Yamaha n wenner nodig!

"Write off  Rossi at your own petrol...." :patch:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 08:20:44 pm
:laughing4:
Any foot pegs and/or bashplate mounted to the motor?

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk



The T7 will be many souls` retirement bike.
Not meaning it will last forever.
It will be on sale after you retired.... :peepwall:

But i's footpegs should last.....

Maar die greanpeace ouens gaan spils wees oor Yam `n internal combustion engine uitbring terwyl ander ouens al na electric motors geskuif het.tjom?

Maar daai Yammie is gladder as n elektriese motor.....

So `n bek kort jam!  Ek dink die T7 gaan vir baie ouens bly maak.

Ek hoop so, na ou Rossi het Yamaha n wenner nodig!

"Write off  Rossi at your own petrol...." :patch:

Daar's net een tril en dis die Central. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 08, 2019, 08:23:39 pm
Oh, Doctor, doctor, can't you see I'm burning, burning
Oh, Doctor, doctor, is this love I'm feeling?

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 08:49:24 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

That's Marques singing to Jorge!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on July 09, 2019, 01:19:06 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4:

That's Marques singing to Jorge!
Think it's Jorge singing to anyone that will listen.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 09, 2019, 01:32:36 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4:

That's Marques singing to Jorge!
Think it's Jorge singing to anyone that will listen.

I think Marques is a castrati anyway  :imaposer:

Google if you are unsure  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 09, 2019, 03:05:05 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4:

That's Marques singing to Jorge!
Think it's Jorge singing to anyone that will listen.

I think Marques is a castrati anyway  :imaposer:

Google if you are unsure  ;)

And Jorge is his sisi castrati.....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Clockwork Orange on July 10, 2019, 04:47:02 pm
I am off to the Adventure Bike Rider festival this weekend here in the UK. They will have both the T7 and 790 available to test ride. Its on a first come first served basis. Hopefully I will get a go on each of them back to back.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: bomskok on July 10, 2019, 04:52:40 pm
I am off to the Adventure Bike Rider festival this weekend here in the UK. They will have both the T7 and 790 available to test ride. Its on a first come first served basis. Hopefully I will get a go on each of them back to back.

You mind letting us (ok me  ;D) know how the ABR event went? I didn't go this year as I did the Wales 500 so my man points are running too low for another event so soon. Would love to go next year so please drop me a PM on how it went?

Apologies for OT post  ;) you can combine it with a report on the T7  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Clockwork Orange on July 10, 2019, 05:44:39 pm
Sure, no problem :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 10, 2019, 07:07:38 pm
Why are we talking about the fooking Mud Island on Wild Dogs?  :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 10, 2019, 08:41:30 pm
Why are we talking about the fooking Mud Island on wild Dogs?  :eek7:
Because the SA bound ones are still in crates  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 10, 2019, 08:46:12 pm
Why are we talking about the fooking Mud Island on wild Dogs?  :eek7:
Because the SA bound ones are still in crates  >:D

Surprise!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: arries on July 10, 2019, 09:00:03 pm
Why are we talking about the fooking Mud Island on wild Dogs?  :eek7:
Because the SA bound ones are still in crates  >:D

Surprise!
Optional colors for the T7?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: lone riderer on July 10, 2019, 09:37:54 pm
This bike is going to sell like hotcakes. Cheaper, basic, reliable, good looking, Yamaha  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 10, 2019, 11:15:28 pm
This bike is going to sell like hotcakes. Cheaper, basic, reliable, good looking, Yamaha  :pot:
Agree waiting patiently for a good 2nd hand one  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 11, 2019, 02:13:09 pm
This bike is going to sell like hotcakes. Cheaper, basic, reliable, good looking, Yamaha  :pot:
Agree waiting patiently for a good 2nd hand one  :ricky:

You are going to wait long  :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on July 11, 2019, 02:59:34 pm
You  cannot take this long to develop a bike, it’s used up its production “current” life. 🙄
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 11, 2019, 04:25:51 pm
You  cannot take this long to develop a bike, it’s used up its production “current” life. 🙄

Bloody fossilised already - this thread has had 42 000 reads!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2019, 05:08:21 pm
The long-awaited T7 from YAMAHA is a phenomenon in out times of instant gratification that millennials and Dom do not understand. :pot: :pot:

Instant is seldom much good.

KTM was quick to deliver on the 790, but now the footpegs break off. :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 11, 2019, 05:23:40 pm
Dan - Instant gratification is better than self gratification in my experience  :imaposer:  This T7 Interuptus takes cock tease to a new level.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 11, 2019, 05:34:29 pm
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2019, 08:08:20 pm
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 11, 2019, 09:07:56 pm
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!

I’m pretty sure this bike’s prototype was first published in the bible
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2019, 12:13:54 am
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!

I’m pretty sure this bike’s prototype was first published in the bible

Yes, in the ten commandments, "do not desire" :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on July 12, 2019, 06:30:55 am
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 12, 2019, 07:10:40 am
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!

I’m pretty sure this bike’s prototype was first published in the bible

Yes, in the ten commandments, "do not desire" :peepwall:

Thy will be done  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2019, 07:37:02 am
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!

I’m pretty sure this bike’s prototype was first published in the bible

Yes, in the ten commandments, "do not desire" :peepwall:

Thy will be done  :lol8:

"but not that of the Yamaha fan" :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on July 12, 2019, 11:02:12 am
I am not sure if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy a new bike again, but if I am in a position this is the only bike I'll buy blindly without even a test ride. I know this engine, and I know the rest will be just fine for my skills. This may be my first Yamaha ever, and probably my last since I'll hold on to it for good  :3some:

Even the Bible refers to those that's never owned a Yamaha in their lives......Philistines! :thumleft:

Maak plan Tom!

I’m pretty sure this bike’s prototype was first published in the bible
Yes but it vanished along with everything else in Noah's flood.

Sadly the 10 commandments missed it as you can't desire a phantom. The do not desire refers to the juicy KTM range.

A Philistine and proud of it. I know that Delilah (690) even lured Sampson (2SD) for a while. He now hides his KTM love under a bushel by pretending a 701 has nothing to do with KTM.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 12, 2019, 01:18:20 pm
 :spitcoffee:  :imaposer: Bozos  :lol8:

Seriously, this is going to be first Yamaha and I am looking forward to it  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on July 12, 2019, 02:52:01 pm
I think it may be my next as well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2019, 03:31:42 pm
Apparently 220 T7's sold in Australia 5 months before delivery
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2019, 05:34:18 pm
It is truly the first time in my life that I witness the impossible phenomenon of the best quality going for the cheapest on the list.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha. :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 12, 2019, 09:00:00 pm
It is truly the first time in my life that I witness the impossible phenomenon of the best quality going for the cheapest on the list.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha. :pot:

I have a look at that list and the only other bike I would not mind owning albeit too big is the AT. Not interested in any other.

The only KTM I would not mind owning is the 500. However; it's another class bike and the best tool for me is the T7.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2019, 10:05:50 pm
It is truly the first time in my life that I witness the impossible phenomenon of the best quality going for the cheapest on the list.

Someday you'll own a Yamaha. :pot:

I have a look at that list and the only other bike I would not mind owning albeit too big is the AT. Not interested in any other.

The only KTM I would not mind owning is the 500. However; it's another class bike and the best tool for me is the T7.

Once again a different class bike, but that V-Strom 1000 is also a bargain of note.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: billy-joe on July 12, 2019, 10:39:10 pm
did i miss it or whats it going to be priced at here in sa?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Juan27 on July 12, 2019, 11:08:10 pm
did i miss it or whats it going to be priced at here in sa?

They think it will come into SA in the 160k - 170k price range
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on July 15, 2019, 01:42:04 pm
did i miss it or whats it going to be priced at here in sa?

They think it will come into SA in the 160k - 170k price range

this cant be predicted, we don't know where inflation will be at when it eventually is up for sale....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on July 15, 2019, 02:52:03 pm
we don't know where inflation will be at when it eventually is up for sale....

 :lol8:
I agree, it'll be around 300K by then!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 16, 2019, 07:50:45 pm
we don't know where inflation will be at when it eventually is up for sale....

 :lol8:
I agree, it'll be around 300K by then!

But then the 790 will be 400K. :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 16, 2019, 08:03:25 pm
we don't know where inflation will be at when it eventually is up for sale....

 :lol8:
I agree, it'll be around 300K by then!

But then the 790 will be 400K. :ricky:

And my 790 will have 400k on the clock. Hypothetically speaking of course. It will have blown the motor long before then
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 16, 2019, 08:22:43 pm
we don't know where inflation will be at when it eventually is up for sale....

 :lol8:
I agree, it'll be around 300K by then!

But then the 790 will be 400K. :ricky:

And my 790 will have 400k on the clock. Hypothetically speaking of course. It will have blown the motor long before then

 :eek7:

I see that you and boet do not bother to try and keep mileage down. :ricky: :ricky:

Very inquisitive to see how the 790 engine will last. I am a big fan of the parallel twin, 2 and 4 stroke.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on July 29, 2019, 03:28:06 pm
Any further news?...... I heard a rumour of the T7 being introduced in SA in November 2019??
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 29, 2019, 04:15:31 pm
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 29, 2019, 07:20:13 pm
It really is a good looking bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on July 29, 2019, 11:27:50 pm
I looked at one over the weekend.
Looks OK. The xtz still looked better with clutter removed IMO.

Having said that, my judgement is a bit clouded by my 990S

I was not yet allowed to test ride it, but by the looks of things, my 990 is safe and sound in my garage.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Battlestar on July 30, 2019, 05:46:26 am
If the pricing being muted of between the 150-160k price range is correct then I’m in. Can’t wait to see it in the flesh and test ride it.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 30, 2019, 07:29:32 am
I looked at one over the weekend.
Looks OK. The xtz still looked better with clutter removed IMO.

Having said that, my judgement is a bit clouded by my 990S

I was not yet allowed to test ride it, but by the looks of things, my 990 is safe and sound in my garage.

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Performance-wise the 990 will completely overwhelm the T7, and this makes a direct comparison difficult as many riders look at outright performance as a benchmark.

The 990 will always be a great bike.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: FJR on July 30, 2019, 11:00:00 am
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 30, 2019, 11:14:58 am

Hoor hoe vinnig start daai Yammie uit die boks uit  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on July 30, 2019, 02:16:46 pm
I looked at one over the weekend.
Looks OK. The xtz still looked better with clutter removed IMO.

Having said that, my judgement is a bit clouded by my 990S

I was not yet allowed to test ride it, but by the looks of things, my 990 is safe and sound in my garage.

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Performance-wise the 990 will completely overwhelm the T7, and this makes a direct comparison difficult as many riders look at outright performance as a benchmark.

The 990 will always be a great bike.
At our age if one still needs the fastest bike in the group then one has serious fucking issues, I have only ever once ridden with a group who were all about pace and as good as it was for them did nothing for me, I ride to enjoy the scenery and the bullshit chatter with my mates nothing more nothing less and that T7 looks like it will go where maybe only 2 or 3 other models in a similar category will go.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on July 30, 2019, 02:41:23 pm

Hoor hoe vinnig start daai Yammie uit die boks uit  :thumleft:

[/quote]

Its had a lot of practice starting in and out that box - that is all it has done for the last 5 years! It is like its main party trick  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 30, 2019, 02:51:32 pm


Jeepers, drunk person filming with a cell phone.. would be nice if they could stand still for 0.5 seconds so that we can see the bikes  :peepwall:

Especially that rally bike
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 30, 2019, 02:52:29 pm
It really is a good looking bike.

Agreed.. they have done really well in the style department
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Clockwork Orange on July 30, 2019, 02:58:36 pm
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on July 30, 2019, 05:58:30 pm
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
That's exactly how I felt.

My ref to 990 had nothing to do with performance.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on July 30, 2019, 06:00:27 pm
But yes, in a situation where the alternative is that but ugly, hang pram 790, the T7 is the ticket

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on July 30, 2019, 08:08:13 pm
But yes, in a situation where the alternative is that but ugly, hang pram 790, the T7 is the ticket

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I must be honest the 790 is becoming less offensive to the eye
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 30, 2019, 08:15:07 pm

Hoor hoe vinnig start daai Yammie uit die boks uit  :thumleft:


Its had a lot of practice starting in and out that box - that is all it has done for the last 5 years! It is like its main party trick  :imaposer:
[/quote]

Your Husky took a lot less than 5 years, that's why you already had to do work on it. ;)

You are looking at the reason Yamaha is rated the world's most reliable motorcycle brand. True development, not by the owner, but for the owner. O0
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on July 31, 2019, 08:35:38 am
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
What more were you expecting from the reserved Japanese ? All tests about the bike has been very positive
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on July 31, 2019, 09:00:19 am
No matter how positive the reviews are, at this rate, I'll may have to buy another bike for now and then when that bike is ready for replacement in 3 - 5 years, maybe the T7 will be available.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 31, 2019, 09:06:11 am
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
What more were you expecting from the reserved Japanese ? All tests about the bike has been very positive

You say that as if there is such a thing as a negative review.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on July 31, 2019, 09:08:15 am
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
What more were you expecting from the reserved Japanese ? All tests about the bike has been very positive

You say that as if there is such a thing as a negative review.

Fair enough, but you have to acknowledge that it did surprise most reviewers at how good it actually is.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 31, 2019, 09:19:37 am
I personally thought it looked better in the photos than it did in the flesh. I know it ticks a lot of boxes but walked away thinking that I was expecting more.
What more were you expecting from the reserved Japanese ? All tests about the bike has been very positive

You say that as if there is such a thing as a negative review.

Fair enough, but you have to acknowledge that it did surprise most reviewers at how good it actually is.

We all expected it to be typical Yamaha, so yeah. I just hope they don't price it too high.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on July 31, 2019, 01:35:03 pm
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on July 31, 2019, 06:09:51 pm
So it's so far so good!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: mtr89 on July 31, 2019, 07:56:06 pm

Thats a huge dude!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 31, 2019, 07:58:28 pm
So it's so far so good!

Hopefully the verdict will be out soon.
Will this bike only be attractive to souties, wanting medium HP, to go with the G&T, skinny wives/girlfriends and front wheel drive SUV`s?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on July 31, 2019, 08:35:46 pm
So it's so far so good!

Hopefully the verdict will be out soon.
Will this bike only be attractive to souties, wanting medium HP, to go with the G&T, skinny wives/girlfriends and front wheel drive SUV`s?
The million HP brigade who need to quote huge HP to impress their mates and cover for their lack of riding skills will never understand it.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on August 01, 2019, 11:35:17 am
So it's so far so good!

With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 05:31:10 pm
So it's so far so good!

With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 01, 2019, 06:14:03 pm
So it's so far so good!

With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Ja the age of instant gratification - no foreplay.
I must say though T7 Interuptus takes things to a new level.  >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 08:13:49 pm
So it's so far so good!

With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

Ja the age of instant gratification - no foreplay.
I must say though T7 Interuptus takes things to a new level.  >:D

The plus side is that when the T7 is launched here, it can go to instant classic. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 01, 2019, 08:23:22 pm

[/quote]

With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)
[/quote]

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
[/quote]

Ja the age of instant gratification - no foreplay.
I must say though T7 Interuptus takes things to a new level.  >:D
[/quote]

The plus side is that when the T7 is launched here, it can go to instant classic. :deal:
[/quote]

Such a classic it might as well stay in its wooden box kennel for good - can just put glass on the front and stick it straight in the bike museum.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 08:31:51 pm


With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)
[/quote]

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
[/quote]

Ja the age of instant gratification - no foreplay.
I must say though T7 Interuptus takes things to a new level.  >:D
[/quote]

The plus side is that when the T7 is launched here, it can go to instant classic. :deal:
[/quote]

Such a classic it might as well stay in its wooden box kennel for good - can just put glass on the front and stick it straight in the bike museum.  :imaposer:
[/quote]

I can see you on one in 12 months time.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 01, 2019, 08:40:08 pm


With FAR being the operative word. Far from available...   ;)

Ai, you millennials wanting everything right now....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
[/quote]

Ja the age of instant gratification - no foreplay.
I must say though T7 Interuptus takes things to a new level.  >:D
[/quote]

The plus side is that when the T7 is launched here, it can go to instant classic. :deal:
[/quote]

Such a classic it might as well stay in its wooden box kennel for good - can just put glass on the front and stick it straight in the bike museum.  :imaposer:
[/quote]

I can see you on one in 12 months time.
[/quote]

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on August 01, 2019, 09:56:09 pm
Okay, so now some superannuated old git is gonna go banging on again about "how it was back in my day". Feel free to yawn and move on.......

I remember a time, 'cos I was there, when you couldn't keep pace with the droves of new models coming out from the big four Japs every week.
No prior announcements, no concepts displayed with much fanfare at international shows, with the news that they would be available next year maybe.     
 No waiting for the launch. Simply another new model suddenly appearing in the showroom. Then later the press would get hold of one and write about it for the first time, while new owners were already riding them. In fact, some of the more 'bread and butter' bikes never even merited a press article at all, because it would be
"Just another new one of those."
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 09:59:49 pm
Okay, so now some superannuated old git is gonna go banging on again about "how it was back in my day". Feel free to yawn and move on.......

I remember a time, 'cos I was there, when you couldn't keep pace with the droves of new models coming out from the big four Japs every week.
No prior announcements, no concepts displayed with much fanfare at international shows, with the news that they would be available next year maybe.     
 No waiting for the launch. Simply another new model suddenly appearing in the showroom. Then later the press would get hold of one and write about it for the first time, while new owners were already riding them. In fact, some of the more 'bread and butter' bikes never even merited a press article at all, because it would be
"Just another new one of those."

Those were the days. And I was there too.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on August 01, 2019, 10:24:16 pm
Honest question: why the long delay? It's not like they're pioneering something new here? By the time this bike is eventually released, it will really be old tech, surpassed by the competition.

And it's not a millennial thing. It's the way the market is moving nowadays. Nobody cares that a phone doesn't last 2 years anymore and nobody will care whether this has been tested to the n'th degree. By the time this bike reaches the point where that starts to matter, the bulk of the buyers would have moved on to the next new thing.

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

Some will say that their reputation is built on a rich history of reliable bikes. My Nokia 3210 was more reliable than anything in the market at that time. And what does that mean for Nokia at the moment?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 10:31:57 pm
Honest question: why the long delay? It's not like they're pioneering something new here? By the time this bike is eventually released, it will really be old tech, surpassed by the competition.

And it's not a millennial thing. It's the way the market is moving nowadays. Nobody cares that a phone doesn't last 2 years anymore and nobody will care whether this has been tested to the n'th degree. By the time this bike reaches the point where that starts to matter, the bulk of the buyers would have moved on to the next new thing.

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

Some will say that their reputation is built on a rich history of reliable bikes. My Nokia 3210 was more reliable than anything in the market at that time. And what does that mean for Nokia at the moment?

While it is an argument for a different thread, you are dead right. No one cares about quality anymore, except to complain over the lack of it on Hellopeter. :imaposer:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on August 02, 2019, 01:42:04 am
Honest question: why the long delay? It's not like they're pioneering something new here? By the time this bike is eventually released, it will really be old tech, surpassed by the competition.

And it's not a millennial thing. It's the way the market is moving nowadays. Nobody cares that a phone doesn't last 2 years anymore and nobody will care whether this has been tested to the n'th degree. By the time this bike reaches the point where that starts to matter, the bulk of the buyers would have moved on to the next new thing.

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

Some will say that their reputation is built on a rich history of reliable bikes. My Nokia 3210 was more reliable than anything in the market at that time. And what does that mean for Nokia at the moment?
Don't quite agree.

Yamaha is no 1-hit wonder.
It's like waiting for Nokia's new model because everything before and after the 3210 has been dead reliable.

And therefore, the ones in the know, will wait.

Because they know its worth it.

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 09:13:41 am
Honest question: why the long delay? It's not like they're pioneering something new here? By the time this bike is eventually released, it will really be old tech, surpassed by the competition.

And it's not a millennial thing. It's the way the market is moving nowadays. Nobody cares that a phone doesn't last 2 years anymore and nobody will care whether this has been tested to the n'th degree. By the time this bike reaches the point where that starts to matter, the bulk of the buyers would have moved on to the next new thing.

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

Some will say that their reputation is built on a rich history of reliable bikes. My Nokia 3210 was more reliable than anything in the market at that time. And what does that mean for Nokia at the moment?
Don't quite agree.

Yamaha is no 1-hit wonder.
It's like waiting for Nokia's new model because everything before and after the 3210 has been dead reliable.

And therefore, the ones in the know, will wait.

Because they know its worth it.

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Very well said. :thumleft:

Gabriel, luister jy? :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on August 02, 2019, 09:17:16 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 02, 2019, 10:09:02 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

a mark on the bench, rather  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 10:42:12 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

Don't tell me it's the footpeg-bracket-holing-the-crankcase model?? :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on August 02, 2019, 10:47:08 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

Don't tell me it's the footpeg-bracket-holing-the-crankcase model?? :pot: :pot:

Yamaha fans:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2j75pc.jpg)

KTM fans:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 10:48:55 am
Nou's ons sommer net beendere.... :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on August 02, 2019, 11:16:51 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

Don't tell me it's the footpeg-bracket-holing-the-crankcase model?? :pot: :pot:

Yamaha fans:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2j75pc.jpg)

KTM fans:






Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on August 02, 2019, 11:17:21 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

a mark on the bench, rather  :peepwall:


Says the guy on a white ktm....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 02, 2019, 11:20:00 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

a mark on the bench, rather  :peepwall:


Says the guy on a white ktm....

Ja just pulling youyr chains  >:D  I have never said never to the 790 ... just not seduced at present.  ::)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on August 02, 2019, 11:23:41 am
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

a mark on the bench, rather  :peepwall:


Says the guy on a white ktm....

Ja just pulling youyr chains  >:D  I have never said never to the 790 ... just not seduced at present.  ::)


Yanking away at yours as well Dom....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 02, 2019, 11:25:42 am
Yank al die KTM en BMW fanboys op die Yamaha fred! Te cute....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on August 02, 2019, 11:25:58 am
We all like a bit of friendly fire every now and then. I am looking forward to this Yami as much as the next guy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 11:41:02 am
Daai skeleton lyk meer na n Kawasaki ryer.

Dis nie ek nie, hy't dan n selfoon.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on August 02, 2019, 01:10:24 pm
Yank al die KTM en BMW fanboys op die Yamaha fred! Te cute....

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=131409.0;attach=296034;image)

 ::)

I would love to own another Yamaha. I'll be ready to spend my pension on this when they're both released, probably at the same time...
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on August 02, 2019, 01:25:01 pm
One has to just compare recall's between the different brands and then one will come to understand why they take a year or two longer to give you the super model who can cook and clean and never asks for gold and diamonds.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 01:37:04 pm
Yank al die KTM en BMW fanboys op die Yamaha fred! Te cute....

I was honestly excited about this bike when it was first mentioned, but the delay has simply left me doubting Yamaha's ability to successfully bring new products to the market within reasonable time and in doing so, they have cast their entire brand into doubt.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=131409.0;attach=296034;image)

 ::)

I would love to own another Yamaha. I'll be ready to spend my pension on this when they're both released, probably at the same time...

I see that was taken during the last ice-age. :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Archangel on August 02, 2019, 01:57:37 pm

I see that was taken during the last ice-age. :eek7:


So they're producing one model per ice age...  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 02:16:20 pm

I see that was taken during the last ice-age. :eek7:


So they're producing one model per ice age...  :spitcoffee:

Suddenly makes me a bit wary of the T7 launch. :eek7:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 02, 2019, 03:34:54 pm
By the time they launch this bike , everyone who was waiting for it would have bought another bike..

But ill do my part to keep the thread alive until then.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 02, 2019, 04:06:32 pm
Yamaha sure is revolutionary about their way of thinking.
Gone is the days where a new model comes out and you wait for after sales, products R&D.....
Potential future owners can now buy all the aftermarket bolt on goodies for this new model bike, and store it for future use.
Oh and that clip of the 790 wheelie is quite short,  any longer and the front wheel will be rolling down the road with the forks in the air... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 02, 2019, 07:23:27 pm
By the time they launch this bike , everyone who was waiting for it would have bought another bike..


Or Zimmer Frame  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 07:33:16 pm
By the time they launch this bike , everyone who was waiting for it would have bought another bike..


Or Zimmer Frame  :imaposer:

Code name HP2. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 02, 2019, 08:42:43 pm
By the time they launch this bike , everyone who was waiting for it would have bought another bike..


Or Zimmer Frame  :imaposer:

Code name HP2. :deal:

Jou ma se e-pos  O0
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 08:43:59 pm
By the time they launch this bike , everyone who was waiting for it would have bought another bike..


Or Zimmer Frame  :imaposer:

Code name HP2. :deal:

Jou ma se e-pos  O0

My ma moet nog eers n landlyn kry voor sy by e-pos kan uitkom.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on August 05, 2019, 10:28:03 am
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Clockwork Orange on August 05, 2019, 02:43:05 pm
You guys are carrying on as if this is going to be some sort of golden goose. It's just going to be boringly good and stupidly dependable. But there is a new benchmark and this isn't it  :pot:

a mark on the bench, rather  :peepwall:


Says the guy on a white ktm....

Ja just pulling youyr chains  >:D  I have never said never to the 790 ... just not seduced at present.  ::)


Yanking away at yours as well Dom....

Collectively, does that make you a bunch of yankers :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 05, 2019, 02:58:49 pm


This review sums this bike up 100%.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: monkeyboy on August 07, 2019, 10:30:47 am
"boringly good and stupidly dependable" is literally what everyone has always wanted in a bike. Great line!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 07, 2019, 10:39:23 am
"boringly good and stupidly dependable" is literally what everyone has always wanted in a bike. Great line!

Is this sarcasm?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: monkeyboy on August 07, 2019, 02:36:48 pm
"boringly good and stupidly dependable" is literally what everyone has always wanted in a bike. Great line!

Is this sarcasm?
It's not. I thought it a great summation of what we all want. As opposed to the fancy LED screens, traction control, and heavy heavy bikes that the major manufacturers think we want.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Serfie on August 07, 2019, 02:48:25 pm
"boringly good and stupidly dependable" is literally what everyone has always wanted in a bike. Great line!

Is this sarcasm?
It's not. I thought it a great summation of what we all want. As opposed to the fancy LED screens, traction control, and heavy heavy bikes that the major manufacturers think we want.


 :deal:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tommy Transalp on August 07, 2019, 02:51:02 pm
Just spoke to Chris at Ekerold Yamaha in PMB.
The T7 will be arriving in SA during February 2020.
Couldn't get an indication of price yet though... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on August 07, 2019, 03:13:01 pm
Not according to Warren at Extreme Yamaha in PE, the SA batch will only go into production in April 2020 so unlikely we will see anything here until May/June
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mzee on August 07, 2019, 04:08:45 pm
Not according to Warren at Extreme Yamaha in PE, the SA batch will only go into production in April 2020 so unlikely we will see anything here until May/June

When you say SA production, does it mean that the specs are markedly different from bikes manufactured for other regions?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on August 07, 2019, 04:54:06 pm
He just indicated that the bikes for Sa market would only then begin production, various European countries have been available for a while already
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 07:41:53 am
"boringly good and stupidly dependable" is literally what everyone has always wanted in a bike. Great line!

Is this sarcasm?
It's not. I thought it a great summation of what we all want. As opposed to the fancy LED screens, traction control, and heavy heavy bikes that the major manufacturers think we want.

not to labour a point, but I do want traction control etc, it helps if your bike actually have enough power to need it, and ABS have become very good, even offroad.
And the T7 is very heavy for what it offers.
We are not all Toyota Corolla bikers, and sales figures will agree.
So most in this thread will agree with you, its why they are here, but outside of this thread wont.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on August 08, 2019, 10:47:55 am
And the T7 is very heavy for what it offers.

Heavy compared to what it is the lightest modern twin on the market.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 11:17:32 am
And the T7 is very heavy for what it offers.

Heavy compared to what it is the lightest modern twin on the market.

790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on August 08, 2019, 11:27:32 am
And the T7 is very heavy for what it offers.

Heavy compared to what it is the lightest modern twin on the market.

790

what is moderm about it?

Dont tell me you are also sucked in by KTMs Bullshit marketing. The KTM is 217KGs wet and the Yamaha is 204 wet. Wet is how we ride our bikes. It looks modern to me not all of us want Ipads on wheels.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on August 08, 2019, 11:32:02 am


790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.

Well its lighter than the 790
The same as the previous 660, but more power
Ever so slightly lighter than the 800GS

Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 11:46:26 am


790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.

Well its lighter than the 790
The same as the previous 660, but more power
Ever so slightly lighter than the 800GS

Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Bwana on August 08, 2019, 12:17:41 pm


790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.

Well its lighter than the 790
The same as the previous 660, but more power
Ever so slightly lighter than the 800GS

Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money

My simple Arithmatic tells me the Yamha T7 will come out at betwween 175 to 178KGs Dry vs the 790 at 189KGs it is a lot lighter. I believe this bike will sell plenty. Yamaha reliability not to many gimmicks this is a bike for world touring it will definatley offer value for money if you use overseas pricing as a guideline.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on August 08, 2019, 12:28:08 pm



Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money
[/quote]

750/850GS is a lot heavier than the old 700/800GS. It got a bit porky

In the end, its nice to have options available to buyers. If I was to replace my 690 with something I would look at the T7. The 790 visually just aint for me
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 08, 2019, 12:39:46 pm
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: MiniDan on August 08, 2019, 12:50:11 pm
Most people buy bikes on how they think they will be riding. We see ourselves in some riding class bracket and that's pretty much what sells us. Certain brands cater for certain riding styles and it's all good. Fuck it, if you want a bike and you can afford it, buy the fucking thing... :thumleft:

As previously mentioned, options are KING!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 12:58:52 pm
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 03:07:26 pm
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:

agree and agree.
Until you get stuck halfway up a dune, put the bike down and have to turn it around on its side.

(I pushed this short weight focused discussion now, the claim was that 'other' bikes was heavy, I just raised that the T7 is no ballerina)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 03:46:27 pm
The T7 will be no lightweight, but I am surprised at how it's not really heavier than the 790.

The 790 is a brand-new, from-the-ground-up design, all neat and trim and tight, a purpose-built engine for a mid-class D/S bike.

Then Yamaha comes along, and after 34 years of welding up a frame, plonks in a roadbike engine, and it weighs as much/little as the Katie.

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 08:08:29 pm
Guess that's a different way of looking at it.
Makes sense then. Tech is heavy, all the wires and modules and accelerometers little motors and stuff adds up. So what was won with a lightweight construction was lost to the tech.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 08:12:08 pm
Guess that's a different way of looking at it.
Makes sense then. Tech is heavy, all the wires and modules and accelerometers little motors and stuff adds up. So what was won with a lightweight construction was lost to the tech.

And say what you will, for me all these tech stuff removes the bike further from the rider, while making it more unwieldy weight-wise.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on August 08, 2019, 10:58:39 pm
"Weld up a frame and plonk in an engine"

That's the kind of technology I can relate to!  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on August 09, 2019, 07:22:22 am
The T7 will be no lightweight, but I am surprised at how it's not really heavier than the 790.

The 790 is a brand-new, from-the-ground-up design, all neat and trim and tight, a purpose-built engine for a mid-class D/S bike.

Then Yamaha comes along, and after 34 years of welding up a frame, plonks in a roadbike engine, and it weighs as much/little as the Katie.
The cone motor was also in a road bike frame first.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on August 09, 2019, 09:04:40 am
It looks like Triumph might get their new 900 scrambler into the shops about the same time.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on August 11, 2019, 01:54:19 pm
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on August 11, 2019, 01:57:03 pm
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P

If its the one I think it is, its a beautiful make over of a rubbish Yamaha into something pretty.  :'(
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on August 11, 2019, 07:15:34 pm
Very correct indeed Welsh, it's the motor of the XZ550, an unsuccessful model due to unreliability and ugly design.
It's parked in the showroom at Roadrunner Motoren in Velp in the Netherlands at the moment, and I stopped to see an old 2stroke .... but saw a V-twin foutsroke instead, with shaftdrive even.
Go to https://yellowrider.nl/ for more info and pics.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 11, 2019, 09:35:36 pm
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P

Beautiful execution, in a racer-look way, but with that engine it won't outperform a well-tuned TZR125.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: YamaV on August 14, 2019, 05:59:08 pm
The more I see of the T7 the more I like it.

A couple of europeans are starting to post reviews etc etc, quite interesting.

790 and T7 next to each other:


I know which one I'll choose  :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on August 14, 2019, 06:19:41 pm
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2019, 08:12:28 pm
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:

I also like the extra panniers either side of the engine. Could pack two dead camels in there for padkos.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 15, 2019, 08:06:17 am
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:

I also like the extra panniers either side of the engine. Could pack two dead camels in there for padkos.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: YamaV on August 15, 2019, 09:07:59 am
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:

T7 for me  :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Odd Dog on August 15, 2019, 03:27:59 pm
It will out live the other one.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 15, 2019, 09:07:09 pm
It will out live the other one.

of course may die of boredom first  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 15, 2019, 10:00:18 pm
It will out live the other one.

of course may die of boredom first  :imaposer:

or of thirst, stuck in a narrow gulley with old bandy-bottom. :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: wiledog_X on August 19, 2019, 09:28:52 pm
This from Facebook (Adventure Riders SA)

Touratech: " the third yamaha tenere 700 has just been pushed out of the touratech development. Our third yamaha test will be next week with Jochen Schanz (coo of touratech) for off-road test of the new touratech parts to Italy (Act Scouting Tour 2019). Along with leas rieck and Nick Sanders we currently have three yamaha tenere 700 S to test the touratech accessories on the road. Nick is already on the African continent on the way to dakar, Lea is still in Spain but is also on the way to Africa (Western Sahara). The first touratech parts for the yamaha tenere 700 will be available from the end of September."

(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68871165_10157684869397386_5752580137136685056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeGj3nXITxa6CBOPT0cNw0B3bea6GHqHD2ogm00GxT0M2vzRFktyX0n62uHPJsCqyEq2W_2_PdXE1lOmL5eDJzqMZzBV3QA1HQYfvJuaQKhn4w&_nc_oc=AQkhrNqwXtM4FUFwCbfL2CFQxD-v2fYsmPrg-uoAt8XtW5X9PEU-eBfTf27EPus3G1Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fpry1-1.fna&oh=c31296ac15635d9b09ac06369df2c300&oe=5E15EA8F)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 19, 2019, 09:50:48 pm
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 19, 2019, 09:53:41 pm
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  :lol8:

Because even just waiting for a new model from YAMAHA is more enjoyable than riding any other brand. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on August 19, 2019, 10:59:16 pm
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  8:
Touratech is in Europe.
T7 is available in Europe.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on August 19, 2019, 11:03:40 pm
This from Facebook (Adventure Riders SA)

Touratech: " the third yamaha tenere 700 has just been pushed out of the touratech development. Our third yamaha test will be next week with Jochen Schanz (coo of touratech) for off-road test of the new touratech parts to Italy (Act Scouting Tour 2019). Along with leas rieck and Nick Sanders we currently have three yamaha tenere 700 S to test the touratech accessories on the road. Nick is already on the African continent on the way to dakar, Lea is still in Spain but is also on the way to Africa (Western Sahara). The first touratech parts for the yamaha tenere 700 will be available from the end of September."

(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68871165_10157684869397386_5752580137136685056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeGj3nXITxa6CBOPT0cNw0B3bea6GHqHD2ogm00GxT0M2vzRFktyX0n62uHPJsCqyEq2W_2_PdXE1lOmL5eDJzqMZzBV3QA1HQYfvJuaQKhn4w&_nc_oc=AQkhrNqwXtM4FUFwCbfL2CFQxD-v2fYsmPrg-uoAt8XtW5X9PEU-eBfTf27EPus3G1Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fpry1-1.fna&oh=c31296ac15635d9b09ac06369df2c300&oe=5E15EA8F)
Shudder to think what those accesories will cost  :o
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2019, 07:27:14 am
Horrible how those "crashbars" disfigure a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Cracker on August 20, 2019, 07:50:46 am
So, which is the best oil for the T7 ................................ it seems you're gonna need to carry spare.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on August 20, 2019, 07:55:21 am
you're gonna need to carry spare.

That's what the crashbars are for!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jhbdog on August 20, 2019, 09:06:57 am
So when is this underpowered over weight marvel expected in SA?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on August 20, 2019, 09:11:32 am
So when is this underpowered over weight marvel expected in SA?
Says the guy on a 1200GS  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on August 20, 2019, 09:17:02 am
Looking at that pic it's not so far removed from a GS1200. Just a couple of square cm of plastic away from a full dress tourer.

Harley D under threat!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on August 20, 2019, 09:46:12 am
Getting itchy to try this bike. Does anyone actually have a deposit down yet?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2019, 10:20:30 am
Getting itchy to try this bike. Does anyone actually have a deposit down yet?

You'll have to go to a fortune teller to learn anything about the T7. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 20, 2019, 10:36:09 am
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  :lol8:

Because even just waiting for a new model from YAMAHA is more enjoyable than riding any other brand. :deal:

Says the man who rides a Husky  :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 20, 2019, 10:37:26 am
Horrible how those "crashbars" disfigure a motorcycle.

Typical Touratech over engineered and over priced.
 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on August 20, 2019, 11:21:22 am
Does anyone actually have a deposit down yet?

Can't imagine that anyone has done that as deposits don't gather interest.... and loosing monies year on year ad infinitum is hardly a financially sound decision.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 20, 2019, 12:00:06 pm
Does anyone actually have a deposit down yet?

Can't imagine that anyone has done that as deposits don't gather interest.... and loosing monies year on year ad infinitum is hardly a financially sound decision.

Long term investment, not   :laughing4:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2019, 08:16:09 pm
Does anyone actually have a deposit down yet?

Can't imagine that anyone has done that as deposits don't gather interest.... and loosing monies year on year ad infinitum is hardly a financially sound decision.

Long term investment, not   :laughing4:

Don't be too sure, a good 1983 XT600 is getting what a post 2000 model KTM 640 is. ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2019, 08:17:46 pm
So, which is the best oil for the T7 ................................ it seems you're gonna need to carry spare.

Only to help out other brands?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2019, 08:18:55 pm
So when is this underpowered over weight marvel expected in SA?
Says the guy on a 1200GS  :biggrin:

 :imaposer: the guy "rides" a 2-wheel Jeep, and he's throwing stones. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: KaTooMatt on August 21, 2019, 12:39:45 pm
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  :lol8:

Because even just waiting for a new model from YAMAHA is more enjoyable than riding any other brand. :deal:
K*K and you know.it >:D  Riding anything is better than waiting.  :ricky: even a GS on a sandy track.

One day you can look back and think about all the missed paths while waiting for the Unicorn.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on August 21, 2019, 12:46:20 pm
even a GS on a sandy track.

Unrealistic example because of the impossibleness Matt, come on now, you can do better  ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on August 23, 2019, 07:28:56 am
I see they make a Rekluse clutch for the MT07, gonna be great on the T7
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 23, 2019, 08:30:29 am
Why am I surprised that the accessories will pre-date the bike  :imaposer:   I mean why not just make a strap on fooking unicorn horn for the front and be done?  :lol8:

Because even just waiting for a new model from YAMAHA is more enjoyable than riding any other brand. :deal:
K*K and you know.it >:D  Riding anything is better than waiting.  :ricky: even a GS on a sandy track.

One day you can look back and think about all the missed paths while waiting for the Unicorn.

I'm not waiting for anything in this porky class. :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 24, 2019, 04:58:15 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 24, 2019, 04:59:12 am
 :)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on August 24, 2019, 05:52:50 pm
Touratech have gone full hog on this one, how much can we sell to make it the business.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Cracker on August 24, 2019, 06:38:10 pm
Looking at that pic Tom posted, I'd definitely buy the T7 .................... probably the best advert for it I've seen.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on August 24, 2019, 06:38:29 pm
:ricky:
Wow its slim ! No interest in the fatties  :snorting:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Grunder on August 24, 2019, 09:27:35 pm
:ricky:
Wow its slim ! No interest in the fatties  :snorting:
Went for new tires today and a 850gsa was on the floor. That's a huge bitch!!!

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 24, 2019, 10:22:50 pm
Looking at that pic Tom posted, I'd definitely buy the T7 .................... probably the best advert for it I've seen.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on August 25, 2019, 02:29:20 am
:ricky:
Wow its slim ! No interest in the fatties  :snorting:

Goodness! The BMW looks ridiculous! :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 73 Peanut on August 25, 2019, 06:48:01 am
Wow it definitely looks half the bike for half the price .  :imaposer: :imaposer:  no place for anything fancy . It's the next  generation of simple is better . Perfect for us older chaps who prefer simplicity.  Half the problems.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 25, 2019, 07:11:42 am
Lets not forget it is a different category of bike - they are not fighting in the same weight division.  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 25, 2019, 08:27:46 am
Lets not forget it is a different category of bike - they are not fighting in the same weight division.  :3some:

Especially in the rougher stuff. :deal:

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 25, 2019, 11:49:03 am
Lets not forget it is a different category of bike - they are not fighting in the same weight division.  :3some:

Somebody should tell the GS riders....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Fransw on August 25, 2019, 12:20:45 pm
Lets not forget it is a different category of bike - they are not fighting in the same weight division.  :3some:

Somebody should tell the GS riders....

This weight category. Remember the boxer Butterbean!? ;)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offshore on August 25, 2019, 12:29:54 pm
Butterbean was competing in the Harley Division if I can remember correctly. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Cracker on August 25, 2019, 12:46:05 pm
looks like he's starting to sink .................
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 25, 2019, 12:57:23 pm
Butterbean was competing in the Harley Division if I can remember correctly. :thumleft:

BIG time.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on August 25, 2019, 12:58:27 pm
Butterbean was competing in the Harley Division if I can remember correctly. :thumleft:

 8)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 25, 2019, 07:27:21 pm
Even next to the 790....

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Offroadrider on August 27, 2019, 12:27:26 pm
Even next to the 790....


Just wondering if any of you can answer a question,,, how do you clean jizz off a keyboard?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BullFrog on August 27, 2019, 12:45:05 pm
Even next to the 790....


Just wondering if any of you can answer a question,,, how do you clean jizz off a keyboard?


A new one is R 25.00 at Ali's..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 02, 2019, 03:24:47 pm
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 06:03:32 pm


Very good review for the everyday rider.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on September 02, 2019, 09:52:39 pm
T7 looks sweet.
None of the 2 will make me sell my 990 though

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 03, 2019, 07:49:41 am
Yamaha sounds so good as well
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2019, 04:03:06 pm
This bike will be a good investment as well, I'm sure in 1984 the Tenere sold for R4000 or so and now look at it  :biggrin: So if you buy the T7 you have a trusty companion for life.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on September 10, 2019, 09:34:25 pm
This bike will be a good investment as well, I'm sure in 1984 the Tenere sold for R4000 or so and now look at it  :biggrin: So if you buy the T7 you have a trusty companion for life.


You can actually buy these??

Post some pics of your T7 guys!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2019, 10:31:07 pm
This bike will be a good investment as well, I'm sure in 1984 the Tenere sold for R4000 or so and now look at it  :biggrin: So if you buy the T7 you have a trusty companion for life.


You can actually buy these??

Post some pics of your T7 guys!
I have yet to take it out of the crate
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 10, 2019, 11:36:37 pm
This bike will be a good investment as well, I'm sure in 1984 the Tenere sold for R4000 or so and now look at it  :biggrin: So if you buy the T7 you have a trusty companion for life.

Sounds pretty cute when you say that but compared to say a BMW  G/S of the same vintage, well.......
Title: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 10, 2019, 11:45:16 pm
Top speed roughly on par wth the 790....



But the 790 will shit seven shades of brown all over it getting there
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 06:38:41 am
Dwerg, if both reach the same top end, and they weigh the same, why would you think that the 790 will accelerate so much faster?

The 790 may beat it on gravel, as it has good electronic management.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on September 11, 2019, 08:10:30 am
Dwerg, if both reach the same top end, and they weigh the same, why would you think that the 790 will accelerate so much faster?

The 790 may beat it on gravel, as it has good electronic management.


The small matter of 23 horses maybe?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on September 11, 2019, 08:54:03 am

lots of comparison tests now on youtube and seems like the gap is not as big as specs suggest. And if you factor in a -hopefully- much lower price point its an attractive option.
Also claim it is more comfortable on road than the 790.

The suspensions shortcomings also only visible when you push it, do a few jumps. Guess it would even up better if compared to a std 790..
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 09:35:41 am

lots of comparison tests now on youtube and seems like the gap is not as big as specs suggest. And if you factor in a -hopefully- much lower price point its an attractive option.
Also claim it is more comfortable on road than the 790.

The suspensions shortcomings also only visible when you push it, do a few jumps. Guess it would even up better if compared to a std 790..

I think I said even before the ktm release that the std adv and T7 are the ones to be compared.

Watch Llel Pavey’s T7 and 790R reviews back to back. Clear as daylight


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 09:40:45 am
Dwerg, if both reach the same top end, and they weigh the same, why would you think that the 790 will accelerate so much faster?

The 790 may beat it on gravel, as it has good electronic management.

Aerodynamics is my best guess. Having spent enough time on a 790 and watching this vid, the 790 will embarras it


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on September 11, 2019, 09:55:28 am
watching this vid, the 790 will embarras it

I think so too.
Mind though, for the R better set the suspenders & tyres to 'road', as on 'off' the slight weaving may be a bit puckering for some  :P
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 10:17:01 am
Dwerg, if both reach the same top end, and they weigh the same, why would you think that the 790 will accelerate so much faster?

The 790 may beat it on gravel, as it has good electronic management.

Aerodynamics is my best guess. Having spent enough time on a 790 and watching this vid, the 790 will embarras it


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on September 11, 2019, 10:19:12 am
Tar top speeds is nou regtig net pielevleg. En niemand vleg piele soos KTM en hul fanboys nie, moet ek toegee.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on September 11, 2019, 10:19:58 am
Sorry meant to say aerodynamics prevent the 790 from higher top speed

Tsk tsk tsk Dwerg, you mean to say that hanging tits become flapping tits?
Foei man, a lot of older women will hate you now!  :P
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 10:24:39 am
Tar top speeds is nou regtig net pielevleg. En niemand vleg piele soos KTM en hul fanboys nie, moet ek toegee.  :thumleft:

Wat? Die video is dan gepost met die doel om te wys die yamaha het goeie top end?

Piele vleg is ‘n kak cop out wat konserwatiewe ryers gebruik. Van ons like van hard ry just for the sake of it. Nie om piel te meet of iemand te impress nie
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 10:34:16 am
Dwerg, die 790, met baie meer krag, sal inderdaad vinniger by sy topspoed uitkom.

Julle moenie dat hierdie Yamaha, wat nog nie eers uit die krat is, so n bedreiging wees vir die RTR.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on September 11, 2019, 10:35:46 am
Tar top speeds is nou regtig net pielevleg. En niemand vleg piele soos KTM en hul fanboys nie, moet ek toegee.  :thumleft:

Wat? Die video is dan gepost met die doel om te wys die yamaha het goeie top end?

Piele vleg is ‘n kak cop out wat konserwatiewe ryers gebruik. Van ons like van hard ry just for the sake of it. Nie om piel te meet of iemand te impress nie

As ouens eers begin brag met "sewe soorte kak" klink hulle maar redelik beindrukbaar in myn insiens. 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 11, 2019, 10:39:52 am
Dwerg, die 790, met baie meer krag, sal inderdaad vinniger by sy topspoed uitkom.

Julle moenie dat hierdie Yamaha, wat nog nie eers uit die krat is, so n bedreiging wees vir die RTR.
Die oranje kamp vat die T7 nie goed nie
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 10:44:31 am
Dwerg, die 790, met baie meer krag, sal inderdaad vinniger by sy topspoed uitkom.

Julle moenie dat hierdie Yamaha, wat nog nie eers uit die krat is, so n bedreiging wees vir die RTR.
Die oranje kamp vat die T7 nie goed nie

Wat rook jy tjom? Ek staan van die begin af voor in die ry met afwagting vir die bike.

Nou dat my 790 af grskryf is het ek selfs nog meer na die bike begin kyk maar ek wil verseker nie julle ou tannie brigade join nie



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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on September 11, 2019, 10:46:48 am
hierdie Yamaha, wat nog nie eers uit die krat is

Gepraat van Dan, lyk die krat dalk soos hierdie ding?

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 10:47:56 am
"ou tannie brigade"

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Hey, deur Baviaans loop my XT600 met 34hp los onder n 990 uit. Dink wat ek gaan maak met die swakker 790R. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 10:48:35 am
Tar top speeds is nou regtig net pielevleg. En niemand vleg piele soos KTM en hul fanboys nie, moet ek toegee.  :thumleft:

Wat? Die video is dan gepost met die doel om te wys die yamaha het goeie top end?

Piele vleg is ‘n kak cop out wat konserwatiewe ryers gebruik. Van ons like van hard ry just for the sake of it. Nie om piel te meet of iemand te impress nie

As ouens eers begin brag met "sewe soorte kak" klink hulle maar redelik beindrukbaar in myn insiens.

Tjom jy behoort te weet ek ry bikes en fok nie net op die internet rond nie. Daai was nie brag nie dit was net ‘n feitlike stelling
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 10:52:15 am
"ou tannie brigade"

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Hey, deur Baviaans loop my XT600 met 34hp los onder n 990 uit. Dink wat ek gaan maak met die swakker 790R. :deal:

Praat nie van jou nie. Jys selfs vinnig met jou loop raam


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: m0lt3n on September 11, 2019, 10:57:34 am
Tar top speeds is nou regtig net pielevleg. En niemand vleg piele soos KTM en hul fanboys nie, moet ek toegee.  :thumleft:

Wat? Die video is dan gepost met die doel om te wys die yamaha het goeie top end?

Piele vleg is ‘n kak cop out wat konserwatiewe ryers gebruik. Van ons like van hard ry just for the sake of it. Nie om piel te meet of iemand te impress nie

As ouens eers begin brag met "sewe soorte kak" klink hulle maar redelik beindrukbaar in myn insiens.

Tjom jy behoort te weet ek ry bikes en fok nie net op die internet rond nie. Daai was nie brag nie dit was net ‘n feitlike stelling

true

Maar Dwerg, dit is nou hier wat jy moet almal begin oortuig oor hoe stadig en rustig jy ry, hoe jy n nuwe blaaidjie omgeslaan het en nou nie die nut vir n 6de rat sien nie.






of het jy klaar begin deur te begin focus op die T7!  :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on September 11, 2019, 11:00:04 am
Tjom jy behoort te weet ek ry bikes en fok nie net op die internet rond nie. Daai was nie brag nie dit was net ‘n feitlike stelling

Jy fok dan nou al die hele oggend hier op die internet rond? Kom maak kak stellings oor KTM's op 'n draad wat toegewyd is aan 'n Yamaha model. Waar moes die video gepost word? Nog 'n feit is jy kry net 5 skakerings van kak......... :patch:

In alle erns, dit maak nie regtig saak nie. Ek is anyway te kak bang om 200km/h met iets te ry wat 'n 21" voorwiel het, nog 'n feit.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 11:03:55 am
Lees weer. Ek het gesę ek fok wel op die internet rond maar ry darem ook. Anders as ander met baie sterk opinies
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 11:05:21 am
En dis rwee bikes in ‘n heel nuwe klas. Natuurlik gaanmense vergelykinge trek


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 11:06:41 am
Plus eks al vir twee weke in ICU. MOet myself met iets besig hou


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on September 11, 2019, 11:10:13 am
Ek sien hulle nie in heeltemal dieselfde klas nie. Ek stem met baie van die resensente saam en sien ook die 790 in ADV en die T7 in Rally Raid. Daar is wye oorvleulings klas gewys en ook waarvoor hul gebruik gaan word.

Ek sal die naweek 'n ekstra draai gaan ry met die Vespa en glo dit sal bydra om meer gewig agter my opinie te sit  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Noneking on September 11, 2019, 12:25:18 pm
"ou tannie brigade"

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Hey, deur Baviaans loop my XT600 met 34hp los onder n 990 uit. Dink wat ek gaan maak met die swakker 790R. :deal:


Ag hou asb tog net bietjie terug as julle Oktober hier kuier...... sal nooit my gesig hier kan wys as jy my 790 pakslae gee nie.....
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Saddle Up on September 11, 2019, 12:49:13 pm
Top speed roughly on par wth the 790....



But the 790 will shit seven shades of brown all over it getting there

That motor sounds beautiful gear changes and all, also does not look as if that front-end is wandering much
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: MiniDan on September 11, 2019, 03:06:05 pm
How nice does this look?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/a00e9d7b88b45e495fe8c2a341f80443.jpg)


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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 03:13:29 pm
Wow, that is one good looking motorcycle, and in ROYAL blue. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 03:17:02 pm
En dis rwee bikes in ‘n heel nuwe klas. Natuurlik gaanmense vergelykinge trek


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Ek stem, dit is geheel en al natuurlik dat die 790, in albei geure, met die T7 vergelyk gaan word, en tereg ook.  Albei in dieselfde grootte enjin, beide 2-silinders, beide D/S fietse.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Dwerg on September 11, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
Wel een ding is verseker, ek kan nie wag om hom te ry nie. Ek hoop regtig Yamaha versterk bietjie as dit kom by demo bikes. Ek wou met alle mag ‘n 660Z gekoop het hier in 2012 rond maar kon net eenvoudig nie ‘n toets rit kry nie. As ek een om die blok gery het sou hulle ‘n sale gemaak het
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on September 11, 2019, 06:40:14 pm
https://www.facebook.com/modsthatmatter/videos/751175545335166/
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 11, 2019, 06:42:43 pm
https://www.facebook.com/modsthatmatter/videos/751175545335166/

Gee wizz, that thing sees 180 in an instant! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Welsh on September 11, 2019, 06:52:08 pm
launched 18 months too late, it would have slaughtered the market back then, now nah, Yamaha is corporate, loses the plot market wise.  :peepwall: 
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Vintage_Mania on September 11, 2019, 07:03:50 pm
How nice does this look?

It looks very nice.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Brink on September 11, 2019, 10:29:53 pm
How nice does this look?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/a00e9d7b88b45e495fe8c2a341f80443.jpg)


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Immediate improvement for me with the high fender - I am just not a tyre-hugging fender sort of guy for a DS bike.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: jaybiker on September 11, 2019, 11:22:56 pm
Well, whatever the comparisons with anything else, one box at least is ticked.

It's fast enough!  :3some:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on September 12, 2019, 05:46:20 am
Well, whatever the comparisons with anything else, one box at least is ticked.

It's fast enough!  :3some:

Te only box that is ticked for me at present is the one this bike perpetually hides in!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 12, 2019, 07:31:08 am
Well, whatever the comparisons with anything else, one box at least is ticked.

It's fast enough!  :3some:

Te only box that is ticked for me at present is the one this bike perpetually hides in!  :imaposer:

The delay in release gives you time to try and flog that HP2 to buy this real bike. :deal:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on September 12, 2019, 08:28:49 am
Well, whatever the comparisons with anything else, one box at least is ticked.

It's fast enough!  :3some:

Te only box that is ticked for me at present is the one this bike perpetually hides in!  :imaposer:

The delay in release gives you time to try and flog that HP2 to buy this real bike. :deal:

 :imaposer:  Ja it would take about 5 years to find a buyer for that ratrap.  :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 12, 2019, 07:14:31 pm
Well, whatever the comparisons with anything else, one box at least is ticked.

It's fast enough!  :3some:

Te only box that is ticked for me at present is the one this bike perpetually hides in!  :imaposer:

The delay in release gives you time to try and flog that HP2 to buy this real bike. :deal:

 :imaposer:  Ja it would take about 5 years to find a buyer for that ratrap.  :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: tau on September 19, 2019, 11:46:17 am
May 2020
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on September 19, 2019, 11:47:03 am
Thats about what our Yamaha dealer said :thumleft:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: peteb on September 19, 2019, 12:15:34 pm
May 2020
Any word on price?
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 19, 2019, 03:41:03 pm


Quote from: edgy on Today at 11:47:03 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=201714.msg4317236#msg4317236)>Thats about what our Yamaha dealer said :thumleft:
I believe the B-U-I-L-D date (for South Africa) is indeed May 2020 - you will need to add +/- 12 weeks (3 months) for the bikes to be received at SA Dealer(s).
(Yamaha source).
Chris


Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on September 19, 2019, 04:10:14 pm
How nice does this look?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/a00e9d7b88b45e495fe8c2a341f80443.jpg)


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Immediate improvement for me with the high fender - I am just not a tyre-hugging fender sort of guy for a DS bike.

Agreed...that looks excellent!
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Omninorm on September 20, 2019, 11:35:59 am
Available here in Norway. Actually looks really great in this color.

(https://i.imgur.com/ykcZF5U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gUit564.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dg73CUI.jpg)
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on September 20, 2019, 11:46:30 am
May 2020

I think that is a typo - should read Maybe 2020  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Mpandla on September 20, 2019, 11:51:17 am
Available here in Norway. Actually looks really great in this color.

(https://i.imgur.com/ykcZF5U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gUit564.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dg73CUI.jpg)

Yeah.. I want one in that colour
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: Kelevra on September 20, 2019, 12:30:02 pm
https://www.facebook.com/modsthatmatter/videos/751175545335166/

Gee wizz, that thing sees 180 in an instant! :thumleft:

That thing sounds like my old washing machine on spin cycle  :pot:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BuRP on September 20, 2019, 12:35:53 pm
'Ere ya go!

Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: edgy on September 20, 2019, 02:07:55 pm
My name is Edgy and I have an addiction........... :lol8:
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: BiG DoM on September 20, 2019, 02:19:41 pm
 >:D
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on September 20, 2019, 03:27:03 pm
My name is Edgy and I have an addiction........... :lol8:

That we know. One we have no problem with. Gives us a chance to test ride all the new models.
Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: dirtWarp on September 20, 2019, 08:08:38 pm
Available here in Norway. Actually looks really great in this color.

(https://i.imgur.com/ykcZF5U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gUit564.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dg73CUI.jpg)

Glad to hear you've made it to Norway, that place is epic!

If you ever run out of places to ride, you've got Sweden right next door.

#envious

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Title: Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
Post by: sidetrack on September 20, 2019, 09:11:36 pm
>:D
We would all love a unicorn and it’s on it’s way  8)