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Title: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on January 30, 2017, 12:16:02 pm
Let's discuss the new season here.

Mods, can we also sticky this thread, pretty please?

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/2017-motogp-sepang-test-preview/

In a few hours time, the grandstands at the Sepang International Circuit will echo with the booming assault of MotoGP machines being pushed to their limits. The entire MotoGP grid has assembled for the first test of the preseason, meaning that the 2017 MotoGP season is about to get underway, at last.

That, at least, is the plan. The reality is that the grandstands may echo only to the sporadic rasp of a MotoGP bike being warmed up, and the occasional intrepid test rider being sent out to test conditions.

The resurfaced Sepang continues to be plagued by drainage problems, water remaining on the track for a long time. In high humidity, relatively low track temperatures and without the burning tropical sun, the water left by unusually heavy rains is not evaporating.

Parts of the track remain wet all day, making it impossible to push the bikes to the limit, and very risky to try.

Suzuki team boss Davide Brivio expressed the concerns shared by most teams.

“You never know how many hours you can test, because the track remains wet for a long time. And if it rains a lot in the evening, maybe you have to wait a long time in the morning. So it’s a little bit of a question mark now, how much you can test.”

Testing Dilemma
Sepang tests have always had problems with rain, but the issue has got a lot worse since the track was resurfaced. Instead of losing two or three hours of testing a day, they could lose five or six hours.
Ideally, MotoGP would test somewhere warm, dry, and with a varied layout. But the number of tracks which fit those criteria in the first week of February are very few indeed. Alternatives are almost impossible to find.
Even if it weren’t nigh on impossible, it’s too late to start looking for an alternative now anyway. The garages are filled with MotoGP bikes and riders champing at the bit to get out there, and they will seize the first opportunity they get to go out and start riding again.
Their need for speed has been kept in check all winter, and it must soon be unleashed.

It’s Riding, But Not as We Know It
Oddly enough, some riders have already thrown a leg over a MotoGP bike this winter. Two weeks ago, in a stunt organized by Red Bull, Marc Márquez rode a Honda RC213V shod with specially spiked tires up the ski slope in Kitzbühel.
And today, Sunday, Andrea Dovizioso and Jorge Lorenzo spent much of the day in their leathers, including several laps on bikes fitted with cameras, as they were filmed for promotional material for Ducati to use.
Whether such outings violate the MotoGP test ban is not really an issue. Until MotoGP adds a circuit on an ice lake (an idea for extending the calendar into winter?), Márquez’ experience riding up Kitzbühel will not be useful.
Dovizioso and Lorenzo were on a MotoGP track, but the water on the surface meant they were not pushing, and the laps spent riding at 70 km/h behind a rental car with the rear trunk open and a cameraman hanging out of it will be of limited use for chassis development.

Worth the Risk?
Both stunts were also a calculated risk ahead of the start of the season. The risk was manageable for the Ducati riders – despite the wet patches on the asphalt – as they were under no pressure to lap at any pace.
That was a good deal trickier for Marc Márquez: riding a bucking and weaving 260+ hp bike up a ski slope is a seriously risky undertaking. One mistake could have had very nasty consequences.
A minor mistake did exactly that, Márquez’s foot slipping off the footpeg and coming close enough to the rear wheel to be nicked by one of the vicious tire spikes.
The spike sliced through his boot and drew blood, though the Spaniard was left relatively unhurt. He was lucky: fans of ice speedway know what can happen when things go horribly wrong, which is why they put massive iron fenders around the wheels, to prevent incidents such as this.

Honda’s Big Bang
Márquez’s injury was sufficiently trivial that it will not affect him in the test. The Spaniard will be itching to get out, for Honda still have a lot of work to do. The new big-bang engine debuted at Valencia and was used again by Jack Miller at the Jerez test in November.
First impressions were positive, but not overwhelmingly so: the Repsol Honda riders were due to head to Jerez for the private test in November, but abandoned that idea after Valencia. Clearly, it still needed some work.
Most of the focus will be on electronics. Changing the ignition interval changes the character of the engine and the way it responds, requiring a lot of work to sort out the mapping.
That was the issue at Valencia, and that was the donkey work Jack Miller got saddled with at Jerez. Now, Márquez and Dani Pedrosa will be hoping that the main issues have been solved.
As reigning champion, Márquez starts the 2017 season as the early favorite for the title, and he will be expected to be quick at Sepang. But many eyes will be on the other side of the garage, where Dani Pedrosa has made some major changes to his entourage.
Former MotoGP race winner Sete Gibernau will be joining Pedrosa in the garage, and functioning as rider coach. Pedrosa has also changed his trainer and his training regime, a step he also hopes will improve his chances.

Yamaha’s Young Upstart
If Márquez starts the season as title favorite, Maverick Viñales is getting a lot of backing to push him very hard.
The Spaniard was fastest at Valencia, though as it was his first outing on the Movistar Yamaha, he was given little to do other than to acclimatize himself to the bike, where others worked on testing new parts.
At Yamaha’s private test at Sepang in November, Viñales was quickest once again, and according to several people inside Yamaha, considerably so.
Wilco Zeelenberg – team manager for Viñales now that Jorge Lorenzo has departed for Ducati – told us to keep an eye on the Spanish youngster at Sepang. “He loves this track.
He was fastest in the only dry session in October on the Suzuki. I think he will be fastest again in the test.” Zeelenberg is undoubtedly biased, given his job. But that doesn’t necessarily make him wrong.
Viñales will be shouldering more of the responsibility for development again, alongside Valentino Rossi. Rossi is focused once again, growing sharper every year, it seems, and still gunning for another title. He has finished second in the championship for three years in a row, and is looking to improve.
The 2017 Yamaha M1 is changed, but looks very similar to last year’s bike. Yamaha continues on its path of gradual evolution, a solid choice given that there was not much wrong with the 2016 bike.
Looking at the test bikes in pit lane today, the bike looks very similar to the machines used last year. The fairing looks a little slimmer, though that could be an optical illusion due to the lack of wings on the bike.
The tail also appears to have grown a little fatter, engineers perhaps turning their attentions to aerodynamics at the tail of the bike, rather than the front. Yamaha test rider Katsuyuki Nakasuga rode bikes with and without wings at the private test last week. We will see whether Rossi and Viñales do the same.

Red Bikes Don’t Get Wings
Ducati will definitely be testing with the wings. The Italian factory came to rely so heavily on their wings last year that they are still working very methodically to try to retain the acceleration advantages they had in 2016.
Test riders Casey Stoner and Michele Pirro both rode the bikes with and without wings at last week’s private test, and Andrea Dovizioso did the same at the Valencia test. They will continue with that work at Sepang. Casey Stoner is slated to ride on Monday and Wednesday, though clearly, that will depend on the weather.
Ducati have plenty to test. They have a new bike – most of which was only seen at the private test, rather than the team launch at Bologna – with a stronger engine and modified chassis.
They are still working on aerodynamics, but they – like all the factory teams – are keeping that under wraps until Qatar. No need to tip their hands to their rivals until they are forced to.
Andrea Dovizioso looked revitalized at the launch, buoyed by his win at Sepang and his results in the flyaways. Winning breeds confidence, and he has some of that back.
He will not be a pushover for Jorge Lorenzo, though he understands that Lorenzo’s status as a triple MotoGP champion gives him the edge. But both men have mutual respect, and a bit of fierce rivalry will only be good for the team.

Lorenzo’s Challenge
Sepang will be a big test for Jorge Lorenzo. The Spaniard was frustrated at not being allowed to take part in the private test at Jerez last November, and is keen to get back on the bike. At the launch, Lorenzo addressed concerns he may have difficulty adapting.
He referred back to his time in 250s, where he rode both a Honda and an Aprilia. Those two bikes needed a very different riding style, and he adapted. He intended to do much the same.
He will also get back to work with crew chief Cristian Gabarrini. The Italian functioned well as crew chief to Casey Stoner, remaining calm when the Australian became excitable. He will be called on to play the same role for Lorenzo, and his experience and skill will stand him in good stead.

Balancing a Team?
Suzuki have plenty of work to do at Sepang, both in terms of testing and of developing their young rider. Alex Rins crashed and fractured a vertebra at the test in Valencia, missing out on a lot of testing time.
Rins is back fully fit – and looking slim and strong – and keen to get himself up to pace. Rins’ focus is purely on improving his pace, learning to cope with the rigors of riding a MotoGP bike.
At the launch of the ECSTAR Suzuki team on Sunday evening, Davide Brivio once again expressed confidence in his young rider, though acknowledged he was a project that needed help for him to show the talent he obviously has.
With Rins as a rookie, the development work falls on the shoulders of Andrea Iannone. It is a heavy responsibility, and the question is how well the Italian can bear it.
Iannone played an important role in bringing on the Ducati while he was there, but there he was partnered with a more experienced teammate. Now, the development of the Suzuki GSX-RR is mainly on him.
His first task is to assess Suzuki’s new engine, which has been major part of the upgrades to the 2017 bike. Suzuki’s MotoGP technical director Ken Kawauchi told me at the bike launch that the engine has more power everywhere, but the biggest gains have been in mid range and top end power.
Rideability and controllability have also been a focus, with small changes made to many parts. Suzuki had less to change on the 2017 bike – the difference between the 2017 and 2016 bikes was between 30% and 40%, Kawauchi estimated, whereas the difference from 2015 to 2016 was more like 50% – and so the changes have been more focused, and better directed. Suzuki starts from a much stronger base this year, and so expectations are higher.

The Toughest Field Yet
Expectations are also higher for Aprilia, who also have a new engine in their new bike which produces more power. It is also lighter again, which should help the bike turn a little better, one of the major complaints in 2016.
As at Suzuki, Aprilia sees an experienced rider paired with a rookie, Aleix Espargaro leading development and giving Sam Lowes a chance to develop. Lowes also crashed at the Valencia test, losing out on valuable track time.
Aprilia made solid progress through 2016, and seem close to breaking through to challenging Suzuki. But the incredible depth of the current MotoGP field is also causing a headache for both factory and satellite teams.
The six full factory teams will be fielding twelve riders, but the podium only as three places. That will mean that in 2017, factories will be faced with uncomfortable (if not outright embarrassing, from time to time) results.
Up against such an incredibly tough field, a good result needs to be carefully defined. Factory riders will cross the line in 9th, yet only a few seconds behind the leaders. The competition is going to be even tougher in 2017 than it was last year.

Orange Crush
The factory which faces the greatest challenge in that respect in KTM. They face Yamaha and Honda, who have shared out the bulk of MotoGP titles in the past 15 years or so, and have four riders who are likely to go down as all-time greats.
They Ducati, who are on the verge of turning the dominant duo into a triumphant triumvirate, and have a multi-race winner and another rider who will go down as an all-time great. Suzuki showed they are capable of winning last year, and will be aiming to be in the podium fight every weekend. And Aprilia hope to make the step to start challenging Suzuki.
Just to stay inside the top ten will be tough for KTM in their first year, but their main aim is not results, but merely the pace of development. What KTM aim to do in 2017 is test to see how quickly they can turn parts around and make improvements to the machine.
They have a lot of advantages: as a European manufacturer, they are close enough to racetracks to make commuting back and forth to the factory very manageable. They have their own suspension manufacturer with direct communication with KTM’s racing department, capable of turning round new parts very quickly.
They also have two riders who are determined to make a splash, at the point in their careers where they must do just that.
Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro are very different characters, but both have learned a lot in their time at the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha satellite team. Smith is cerebral and analytical, Espargaro is fiery and will push over the limit. They should provide the data which KTM needs.
KTM start the test with three different chassis, which test rider Mika Kallio put through their paces last week. They have a lot of work to do still on electronics, and in searching for mechanical grip from the rear.
That was the lesson of Kallio’s wildcard at Valencia, and it is where the focus will lay at Sepang. Part of that is electronics, but part of that is about physical parts of the bike.

Satellite Spectacle
The satellite teams are as interesting to keep an eye on as the factories. Cal Crutchlow won two races last year, and comes to Sepang close to signing a new deal, and with LCR Honda boss Lucio Cecchinello having spent a lot of time in Japan speaking to Honda bosses.
He exuded the same calm confidence he showed last year, and will be hungry for more.
Jack Miller will be keen to prove himself in the final year of his three-year HRC deal. The Australian was held back by a lack of parts in the second half of last year, Honda choosing to pass him over for chassis and electronics upgrades once it became apparent that his then crew chief Gabarrini was off to join Lorenzo at Ducati.
With a new crew chief – Ramon Aurín, formerly with Dani Pedrosa – and a much better package, Miller will need to prove himself.
Among the fleet of satellite Ducatis which fill the grid, there are plenty of riders to keep an eye on. Alvaro Bautista was incredibly quick at the Jerez test, and the Spanish veteran is extremely motivated to prove to the world that he should have been kept by Aprilia.
Hector Barbera was also impressive last year, and he will want to continue in the same vein with Avintia. Both men are on GP16s, a bike which proved itself more than capable last year.
Scott Redding will also be on a GP16, losing out to teammate Danilo Petrucci in the battle for the third GP17. Both men have a point to prove in the Pramac Ducati team, widely regarded as the Ducati junior squad.
The battle will once again be fierce between the teammates, and one key question will be how much of a role Petrucci will play as a test donkey for Ducati.
The idea of having the third Ducati Desmosedici GP17 on track is to help develop the bike quicker and get a better idea of how to set things up at each particular track. The more data there is, the easier that task gets.
With the former Tech 3 team having defected to KTM, the French team has two rookies filling their seats. For the first time in many years, there will not be a British rider in Hervé Poncharal’s decidedly Anglophile outfit.
Instead, there is a fellow Frenchman, in double Moto2 champion Johann Zarco, and talented German Jonas Folger. Both riders tested at Sepang in November, and so should already have a good idea of the set up needed here. They will prove to be a good benchmark for the other rookies to measure themselves against.

First, though, the weather has to hold. Testing starts officially at 10am Malaysian time. Whether the bikes actually roll out then is a different question altogether. But the 2017 season will once again be underway. It’s about time.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on January 30, 2017, 12:17:39 pm
1st Test Results

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183102.0;attach=524860;image)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on January 30, 2017, 12:19:34 pm
CS27 to come out of retirement for a good few races, gives JL99 and the rest a good go.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on January 30, 2017, 12:27:35 pm
Sub!

Go CS27!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: dookie on January 30, 2017, 12:35:25 pm
I thought those hideous shoppingbag carry handle wings would not be present this year.

Anyhoo.
Let the races begin.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on January 30, 2017, 12:36:30 pm
I thought those hideous shoppingbag carry handle wings would not be present this year.

Anyhoo.
Let the races begin.
They have been banned for 2017, those are just on the test bikes
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: dookie on January 30, 2017, 12:40:58 pm
I thought those hideous shoppingbag carry handle wings would not be present this year.

Anyhoo.
Let the races begin.
They have been banned for 2017, those are just on the test bikes
Such a learned, well defined answer.

I thank you.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on January 30, 2017, 12:50:18 pm


In a few hours time, the grandstands at the Sepang International Circuit will echo with the booming assault of MotoGP machines being pushed to their limits. The entire MotoGP grid has assembled for the first test of the preseason, meaning that the 2017 MotoGP season is about to get underway, at last.

That, at least, is the plan. The reality is that the grandstands may echo only to the sporadic rasp of a MotoGP bike being warmed up, and the occasional intrepid test rider being sent out to test conditions.

The resurfaced Sepang continues to be plagued by drainage problems, water remaining on the track for a long time. In high humidity, relatively low track temperatures and without the burning tropical sun, the water left by unusually heavy rains is not evaporating.

Parts of the track remain wet all day, making it impossible to push the bikes to the limit, and very risky to try.

Suzuki team boss Davide Brivio expressed the concerns shared by most teams.

“You never know how many hours you can test, because the track remains wet for a long time. And if it rains a lot in the evening, maybe you have to wait a long time in the morning. So it’s a little bit of a question mark now, how much you can test.”


Man, I wish we could get a test in SA. Better conditions, favourable exchange rate and close to the same time zone of the Eurozone.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: evansv on January 30, 2017, 01:11:23 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on January 30, 2017, 02:15:13 pm
Another year. Same shit?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on January 30, 2017, 04:39:10 pm
Exciting shit if you asked me, I bought my video-pass for the year and won't miss a race!!

They should move the Sepang race to SA!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on January 30, 2017, 05:42:35 pm
I know its only testing, and there is a lot to come and a lot will change, but if I was one of top current professionals in the world right now, earning millions of euros, and I was topped by a skinny, retired Australian fellow by more than a second, I guess I would feel a little miffed right now.  :biggrin:

To refresh your memories, he retired in 2012. I guess if you've got it, you've got it.

It would be a race I would not miss if he entered as a wild card.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on January 30, 2017, 05:55:22 pm
Not a huge spread in the times so I presume they were set on a dry track.  Does anyone know?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on January 30, 2017, 06:05:53 pm
Track was dry, but the session was halted due to rain.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 30, 2017, 06:39:23 pm
retired Australian fellow

Still do not know why he retired so young. He could have been number one many a time.(if it's Stoner we talking about)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on January 31, 2017, 07:03:50 am
CS didn't like the limelight and PR stuff,  pity as he was as exciting as MM to watch, sliding the Duke like a madman
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Dirty Fun on January 31, 2017, 01:52:12 pm
SUB Big Time :sip:

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on January 31, 2017, 02:03:37 pm
Final times from today's testing are interesting
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on January 31, 2017, 02:17:33 pm
Final times from today's testing are interesting
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on January 31, 2017, 02:36:44 pm
I know its only testing, and there is a lot to come and a lot will change, but if I was one of top current professionals in the world right now, earning millions of euros, and I was topped by a skinny, retired Australian fellow by more than a second, I guess I would feel a little miffed right now.  :biggrin:

To refresh your memories, he retired in 2012. I guess if you've got it, you've got it.

It would be a race I would not miss if he entered as a wild card.

To be fair, as the test rider he had plenty of laps, including two days at Sepang, that none of the race riders had.







Ban the winglets and use a word like "protruding" in the paragraph ....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on January 31, 2017, 02:37:08 pm
CS didn't like the limelight and PR stuff,  pity as he was as exciting as MM to watch, sliding the Duke like a madman
He was a fantastic Rider but also very anti Establishment which I liked.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on January 31, 2017, 03:26:51 pm
Wasn't he the first to start with this 'we' stuff instead of 'I' when describing how his race went?

Strange behaviour - but now they're all doing it - progress, I guess ........  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: landieman on February 01, 2017, 07:57:24 am
can't wait for the 2017 season to begin
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 01, 2017, 09:16:13 am
Interesting interview with CS27:

Casey Stoner believes Monday's test results at Sepang point to Ducati being in good shape ahead of the 2017 MotoGP season, and feels if riders Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Dovizioso can win “one or two” races early on, a championship challenge cannot be discounted.

Now in his role as test rider for the Bologna factory, the Australian spectacularly topped the timesheets on Monday, with Dovizioso a place behind in second, earning Stoner plaudits from many in the paddock, and showing he still retains elite competitiveness despite a four-year absence from racing.

Unavailable to speak to the media on Monday, Stoner was present at the track a day later, and gave his thoughts on a host of issues, including the new bike, Jorge Lorenzo and the chances of him making a racing return.

Stoner will test again on Wednesday.

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Question:
How did it feel to be fastest yesterday?

Casey Stoner:
Interesting! We got a few laps in everybody on Thursday [at private test], but to be honest not enough - we got about 20 laps in before the weather hit us again and we didn't get a lot of data. So yesterday was really good for us for us to reconfirm everything. We got a nice long session, through most of the day. Most of the things we were doing took a bit of time - to change the parts etc - so we had quite big gaps between each run, but we definitely got very positive answers with a reasonably dry track. Which is hard to find these days here! We're quite happy and satisfied with the job we did, but as for everybody else the weather really hampered our test programme yesterday as I wasn't testing today we didn't get to finish a couple of things that we needed to. Tomorrow hopefully will give us some better weather and better data and we can continue where we left off yesterday and find some more positives to take from this test.

Question:
What is the biggest difference between last year's bike and this year's bike?

Casey Stoner:
No wings, is the biggest difference. We still need a bit of time to find that balance with the bike without them, because they did add downforce and certain characteristics to the bike. We found some positives, negatives everything to it. But we do need a little bit more time and data without wings because it's been a few years now that the Ducati has had them.

Question:
Do you find it more unstable?

Casey Stoner:
There's a little bit more wheelieing, little more instability at high speeds - not a lot - but just a different character in the way the bike wants to ride in mid-turn etc and I don't think we've touched where we probably can get to. We literally just did a spring adaption to compensate for the lack of downforce, so we dropped a couple of spring rates etc. and we pretty much left it there, because we just needed a reasonably balanced bike to go and compare chassis stiffness and versions of front and rear stiffness in the chassis.

Question:
Is the new bike a big improvement from last year?

Casey Stoner:
I would say that the version of the chassis that came out midway through last year its similar. I found a few improvements with the way it wants to exit the corner, a little more to my liking; it's able to drive off the corner a little better. But we haven't done a lot of direct comparisons with last year's and this year's bike. It's mainly been working forward, rather than looking back. But I haven't found too many negatives, other than us trying to minimise the effects since the winglets have gone. But I haven't really had too many issues with that, I just know we can fine tune it all a little better. And then there's a few other areas where I know we can improve quite bit more.

Question:
Are you sure the winglets are gone?

Casey Stoner:
Yes, at this moment!

Question:
How can you help Jorge understand and adapt to this bike?

Casey Stoner:
I don't know if I can help him so much. It's been a long time for him with one manufacturer. He's been with one manufacturer more than anyone else in this paddock other than Dani. So it will take time for him to adapt. And [Yamaha and Ducati] are polar opposites in a lot of ways, with engine power and characteristics etc.

So it'll take a bit of time, but speaking with him just then he was in quite good spirts and just taking things step-by-step. I suppose pushing each thing aside as he changes and tries something, see if he likes going that way or not. Maybe the other way. It will take time and we have that before the first race. So I'm not too concerned at this point. I think we just need to let Jorge and Cristian [Gabarrini] work together with the team and try and find that nice balance where he is comfortable.

Question:
Do you see yourself as more of a mentor to the riders than a development rider?

Casey Stoner:
I wouldn't really say mentor, no. I think I'm useful in the way that I'm maybe able to find some things with the bike that many other test riders can't. But at the same time each rider is their own and there is a certain amount that you can help and teach and maybe show or suggest that they try. But at the end of the day it is very hard to convince someone that is already at this level and already this fast how to do things differently and expect to tell them that it's going to be better. You have to do things delicately with that sort of situation, but if someone asks I'm more than happy to give some of my knowledge.

Question:
Are there no plans to race this year?

Casey Stoner:
No. No race plan.

Question:
How do you feel about the winglets?

Casey Stoner:
I think they were good up to a certain point. Even for me when I was riding, I found them very useful up to a certain point, and then I found them to be somewhat controlling of the way you ride the bike. Especially for certain circuits, they help massively with wheelying and things like this, made the bike stable in areas where I don't think any bike was going to be stable. I think it helped everybody, and seeing some of the things other manufacturers have put on track goes to show that maybe they regret decisions to get the banned. So they definitely had their points of usefulness, but at the same time, this is the way racing has been for years. We've had to stop electronic development, because that was in my opinion going too far, and it's still too good, and I'd like to see it minimized. But this is what we have. So it's aspects like that, it's one way we really do need to keep the industry going and moving forward, and in one way, it's how far do we go? So it's a difficult debate.

Question:
Do you get a great deal of satisfaction from developing a race winning bike?

Casey Stoner:
I probably just came in at the right time, to be honest. I can't take credit for that. Yes, I believe that I've given some very useful and important data to help in that direction. But it was very nice to be here again when Ducati finally won again, and winning twice in a season was fantastic, and I honestly think we had more opportunities that just didn't come to fruition. It's been a really really nice transition back into Ducati. Now, especially I'm a bit more comfortable with the bike, I don't get much testing, so it takes a little bit of time just to get back that sensation. So I feel like now, I can give back even a bit better data, because I'm immediately more comfortable and we don't need to be on track very long before I can give that good data, whereas before I needed a few more laps just to soak everything in again. So it's been a very very nice transition to be honest.

Question:
Did you practice ahead of this test?

Casey Stoner:
I didn't do one lap anywhere else, so... It would have been nice if I did, but it takes a little bit of time to get used to it again sometimes, but we've been to this track quite a lot, which helps. Though the new surface and wet parts are … interesting. But yes, it does take me a little bit of time, and I would normally want to be doing a bit of enduro or something just on a bike, but to be honest, the past few months I've been ridiculously busy and I haven't ridden a bike at all in the last few months. So it was interesting to come back out here. But we trained hard in very hot weather in the Gold Coast at the moment, so it was perfect conditions to come over here and made it easier for me.

Question:
Is riding still a job for you, or do you have a different approach now that you've been off the bike such a long time?

Casey Stoner:
No, not really. It's a job. To be honest, it's nice that the electronics have not advanced that far, there's still some sliding, I can still ride how I want, I suppose. The latest steps that we've made with the Ducati have allowed me to turn the bike a bit better on the throttle, and that's something I'm really enjoying again, I'm able to search for grip and find it. But yeah, after a lot of years, it's not something that gives you a big adrenaline rush or a kick, it's back to work basically.

Question:
Do you think Jorge & Cristian Gabarrini [Lorenzo's crew chief] are good together?

Casey Stoner:
I'm quite sure Cristian can work with anyone anyway, and Jorge has worked with a lot of people and managed to work and win with a lot of different teams, manufacturers, everything. So I have no doubt they will find a way to work together and communicate, but Cristian already seems quite happy working with Jorge and his direction and his clarity, and everything seems really really good. Everybody so far is quite happy.

Question:
Are they also suited in terms of personality?

Casey Stoner:
Yes.

Question:
Can Jorge win a title with this Ducati?

Casey Stoner:
Without going out testing every single bike, it's really impossible to say. It depends on so many different aspects. As you saw last year, going by Marc's results, you wouldn't have said he was going to win the championship, but it's just everybody else made mistakes and got a lot of DNFs, and he stayed consistent and consistently towards the front. He finished races when everybody else didn't, and won the championship. But at the start of last season, you would have said that Jorge was going to win the championship for sure by how fast he was here, so it could be polar opposites and quite different coming out of this test. You never can predict it too much, but I'm very confident in the package we have. If we can win one or two races, I believe there are more races for us to win out there, and if you can win more races, then you have every chance of winning a championship. So it's just up to the rider and the team to put it all together on the day, each and every weekend, to try to get there. But if two of us can be first and second in the test yesterday, then there's more than enough hope for us to win a championship.

Question:
Viñales said he can't understand why you're not racing if you're so fast…

Casey Stoner:
People said I was retiring just because I'd lost my speed, and that wasn't the truth. I didn't retire because I wasn't fast enough. I'm not interested in going back to racing, I see you all for short periods, and we get to enjoy each other's company, and then I get to go home, so it's great!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on February 01, 2017, 09:33:06 am
Question:
Viñales said he can't understand why you're not racing if you're so fast…

Casey Stoner:
People said I was retiring just because I'd lost my speed, and that wasn't the truth. I didn't retire because I wasn't fast enough. I'm not interested in going back to racing, I see you all for short periods, and we get to enjoy each other's company, and then I get to go home, so it's great!


I still wonder whether Mrs Stoner didn't shorten his leash....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on February 01, 2017, 10:19:12 am
Question:
Viñales said he can't understand why you're not racing if you're so fast…

Casey Stoner:
People said I was retiring just because I'd lost my speed, and that wasn't the truth. I didn't retire because I wasn't fast enough. I'm not interested in going back to racing, I see you all for short periods, and we get to enjoy each other's company, and then I get to go home, so it's great!


I still wonder whether Mrs Stoner didn't shorten his leash....

She can shorten my leash anyday  :bounce:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: dookie on February 01, 2017, 11:50:37 am
Question:
Viñales said he can't understand why you're not racing if you're so fast…

Casey Stoner:
People said I was retiring just because I'd lost my speed, and that wasn't the truth. I didn't retire because I wasn't fast enough. I'm not interested in going back to racing, I see you all for short periods, and we get to enjoy each other's company, and then I get to go home, so it's great!


I still wonder whether Mrs Stoner didn't shorten his leash....

She can shorten my leash anyday  :bounce:
She be HAWT !!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on February 01, 2017, 05:10:04 pm
I think the most interesting thing he said was that he had been too busy to ride any bike for the last few months and then come out at that pace.  Incredible but you have to be careful with the testing results as riders often try all kind of different settings and parts and are not necessarily chasing the fastest lap of the session.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Gryshond on February 02, 2017, 03:36:57 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 1190 on February 20, 2017, 03:33:22 pm
Sweet cheeses
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 20, 2017, 03:57:39 pm
bugger me that is gorgeous, can you imagine how that is going to look under the lights in Quatar  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on February 20, 2017, 04:00:15 pm
Beaut!!
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Post by: Snafu on February 20, 2017, 04:12:12 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on February 20, 2017, 04:13:09 pm
Sweet cheeses

Is it fast?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 20, 2017, 04:34:49 pm
Sweet cheeses

Is it fast?
Unofficial figures say it is producing the same as the Honda motor and through the speed traps at Phillip Island as fast as the other bikes, except the Ducati which is a rocket.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 20, 2017, 04:48:15 pm
I always thought the Repsol Honda was the best looking bike in the line up.. but holy smokes that KTM is mooi  :drif:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 20, 2017, 04:53:11 pm
Some more KTM pics
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on February 20, 2017, 06:18:52 pm
Beauty!!
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Post by: Gryshond on February 22, 2017, 02:32:17 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: landieman on February 22, 2017, 03:53:36 pm
the KTM just looks the business  :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on February 22, 2017, 04:36:45 pm
The Katoom is the only motogp bike with a steel trellis frame, it would be interesting to see if that will become a talking point if they start doing well. Or should that be WHEN they start doing well :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on February 22, 2017, 07:36:00 pm
You may be right :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled to stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on February 23, 2017, 08:34:30 am
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

You're welcome.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:35:15 am
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

You're welcome.
Aai FFS ----- jy kan jouself nie help nie ne
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on February 23, 2017, 04:43:09 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

You're welcome.
Aai FFS ----- jy kan jouself net nie help nie ne

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on February 23, 2017, 04:45:05 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

You're welcome.
Aai FFS ----- jy kan jouself nie net help nie ne

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Oh look another wannabe town clown
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on February 24, 2017, 09:44:16 am
Do we have a WSBK, or more importantly a WSS thread somewhere here?
First race is this weekend and I see Shez is struggling with technical issues.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Gryshond on February 24, 2017, 02:11:48 pm
Do we have a WSBK, or more importantly a WSS thread somewhere here?
First race is this weekend and I see Shez is struggling with technical issues.

Mod posting in the wrong thread, bad form.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2017, 08:42:32 pm
Official Moto 2 and 3 testing from Jerez.

Moto 3 overall after day 1:

#40 Darryn Binder, 11th, 0.7 sec off fastest.  Darryn is riding for the same team he did last year, but the team (thankfully) dumped the Mahindras for KTM this year.

Moto 2 Overall after day 1:

#41 Brad Binder, 11th, 1,0 sec off fastest, #44 Miguel Oliviera who is Brad's team mate.  This bodes well for the brand spanking new Honda engined KTM Moto2  team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 11:20:15 am
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on March 09, 2017, 02:35:54 pm
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.

Didn't see that, but quite possible.  Some teams do a heck of a lot of testing on old tires.  The Ajo Team would as they are super professional and would want data from old tires.  Also Brad prefers to do lots of laps on old tires and he also prefers the bike set up to be better with the older tires.

I heard Darryn was a tad hooliganish as he destroyed his tire allocation for the day in 2 sessions.  He only had rubber for 15 - 20 minutes of the third session!   :imaposer:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 03:03:01 pm
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.

Didn't see that, but quite possible. 

The info was relayed after Rob Portman had a telephonic chat with Brad last night.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 03:04:19 pm
TheBear, can you possibly list all the Rookies in Moto2 this year?
I'm trying to gauge where Brad slots in.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on March 09, 2017, 05:43:51 pm
TheBear, can you possibly list all the Rookies in Moto2 this year?
I'm trying to gauge where Brad slots in.

This is the timing chart (overall) for yesterday.  Rookies in bold.  We see old arch enemy. one Mr. Navarro right up there with Brad.  Brad seems to be in the top 3 or so, rookies, so far.  Also look at the blue names.  These are big names in Moto 2, but behind Brad.

1.   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   42.316s   [Session 2]
2.   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   42.503s   [Session 1]
3.   Mattia Pasini   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.842s   [Session 1]
4.   Luca Marini   ITA   Forward Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.040s   [Session 1]
5.   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   43.045s   [Session 2]
6.   Thomas Luthi   SWI   Carxpert Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.068s   [Session 1]
7.   Dominique Aegerter   SWI   Kiefer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.075s   [Session 1]
8.   Alex Marquez   SPA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   43.094s   [Session 1]
9.   Khaiirul Idham Pawi   MAL   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   43.292s   [Session 2]
10.   Jorge Navarro   SPA   Federal Oil Gresini Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.299s   [Session 3]
11.   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.367s   [Session 2]
12.   Axel Pons   SPA   RW Racing GP   (Kalex)   1m   43.481s   [Session 1]
13.   Danny Kent   GBR   Kieffer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.486s   [Session 1]
14.   Xavier Simeon   BEL   Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.536s   [Session 3]
15.   Hafiz Syahrin   MAL   Petronas Raceline Malaysia   (Kalex)   1m   43.570s   [Session 1]
16.   Simone Corsi   ITA   Speed Up   (Speed Up)   1m   43.576s   [Session 2]
17.   Sandro Cortese   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.579s   [Session 3]
18.   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   43.593s   [Session 1]
19.   Xavi Vierge   SPA   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.630s   [Session 3]
20.   Andrea Locatelli   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.632s   [Session 2]
21.   Edgar Pons   SPA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   43.646s   [Session 2]
22.   Marcel Schrotter   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.871s   [Session 1]
23.   Isaac Viñales   SPA   SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.891s   [Session 2]
24.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   AGR Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.954s   [Session 3]
25.   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Sky Racing Team VR46   (Kalex)   1m   44.008s   [Session 3]
26.   Tetsuta Nagashima   JPN   Teluru SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   44.014s   [Session 1]
27.   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   44.212s   [Session 3]
28.   Jesko Raffin   SWI   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   44.283s   [Session 3]
29.   Remi Gardner   AUS   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   44.382s   [Session 3]
30.   Axel Bassni   ITA   Speed Up   (Speed Up)   1m   44.713s   [Session 2]

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on March 09, 2017, 06:23:14 pm
Darryn is currently 10th fastest (overall) after 2 days (6 sessions) of testing.  He struggled with clutch problems in the last session, but I reckon 10th fastest is not at all a bad spot.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2017, 12:49:38 pm
The Moto2 Katooms was not so hot yesterday and even today.  I wonder if they have issues, or testing some settings, or something.

Yesterday - Overall:

1.   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   42.301s   [Session 1]

2.   Alex Marquez   SPA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   42.546s   [Session 3]
3.   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   42.729s   [Session 3]
4.   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   42.844s   [Session 1]
5.   Luca Marini   ITA   Forward Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.853s   [Session 1]
6.   Mattia Pasini   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.862s   [Session 1]
7.   Jorge Navarro   SPA   Federal Oil Gresini Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   42.987s   [Session 1]
8.   Edgar Pons   SPA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   42.987s   [Session 3]
9.   Danny Kent   GBR   Kieffer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.029s   [Session 1]
10.   Axel Pons   SPA   RW Racing GP   (Kalex)   1m   43.088s   [Session 1]
11.   Khairul Idham Pawi   MAL   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   43.156s   [Session 3]
12.   Dominique Aegerter   SWI   Kiefer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.187s   [Session 3]
13.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   AGR Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.196s   [Session 1]
14.   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.229s   [Session 3]
15.   Thomas Luthi   SWI   Carxpert Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.257s   [Session 1]
16.   Xavi Vierge   SPA   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.267s   [Session 1]
17.   Hafiz Syahrin   MAL   Petronas Raceline Malaysia   (Kalex)   1m   43.270s   [Session 1]
18.   Tetsuta Nagashima   JPN   Teluru SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.271s   [Session 3]
19.   Simone Corsi   ITA   Speed Up Racing   (Speed Up)   1m   43.288s   [Session 1]
20.   Andrea Locatelli   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.305s   [Session 1]
21.   Xavier Simeon   BEL   Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.379s   [Session 3]
22.   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.489s   [Session 1]
23.   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Sky Racing Team VR46   (Kalex)   1m   43.544s   [Session 1]
24.   Marcel Schrotter   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.580s   [Session 1]
25.   Remi Gardner   AUS   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.752s   [Session 3]
26.   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.787s   [Session 3]
27.   Sandro Cortese   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.788s   [Session 1]
28.   Isaac Viñales   SPA   SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.825s   [Session 1]
29.   Jesko Raffin   SWI   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.901s   [Session 3]
30.   Axel Bassani   ITA   Speed Up Racing   (Speed Up)   1m   45.096s   [Session 1]

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 10, 2017, 04:23:58 pm
If you weren't on a Kalex yesterday you were going nowhere..... at least Oliveira running 3rd today but still 0.4s off the pace.

Brad 26th - difficult to judge cause you don't know what tyres & development bits they're running.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Sithe on March 12, 2017, 03:05:00 pm
Formula 1 invades MotoGP .... I feared this would happen

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/241802/1/dovizioso-talks-f1style-ducati-fairing.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/241802/1/dovizioso-talks-f1style-ducati-fairing.html)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on March 16, 2017, 11:45:00 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Pool name?

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Pool name?

WilddogGP
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on March 17, 2017, 09:38:59 am
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WilddogGP
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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WilddogGP
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 17, 2017, 09:57:43 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on March 20, 2017, 09:03:35 am
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WilddogGP
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 22, 2017, 03:32:02 pm
I see the picks are open on SuperBru
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 22, 2017, 04:13:27 pm
Hehehe,
Nasser showing Vale how to shoot a gun  :biggrin:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 22, 2017, 04:17:09 pm
Did Rossi wear a Yamaha Shooting jacket? Or were the team sponsors added digitally?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 22, 2017, 04:40:42 pm
Did Rossi wear a Yamaha Shooting jacket? Or were the team sponsors added digitally?

Looks like he is wearing a shooting vest over his Yamaha T-Shirt
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 22, 2017, 06:20:10 pm
Did anyone see the press conference.

They asked Rossi why he thought Vinales is so quick in the corners.

"Wellaaah is seems like he push the brake lataa, endaa, he open de trottle earlier, no?"

Then laughs.

Always classic this guy.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 09:50:38 am
Viñales 0.6s faster than Marquez during FP1 in Qatar.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/243001/1/motogp-qatar-free-practice-1-results.html
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 09:57:11 am
Got to love "says it as it is" Crutchlow. His Honda developed an oil leak (at HIGH speed).

"I nearly highsided going into Turn 1 at f**king
330 km/h. But honestly, for the rest of the session, I rode really shit, really scared. When you have something like that happen, it takes a while to get over."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/243012/1/crutchlow-oil-scare-at-330-kmh.html
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 24, 2017, 10:40:31 am
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 12:03:32 pm
Binder brothers battling but improving (just).

Brad 21st in FP1 & 20th in FP2.

Darryn 23rd & then 19th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 24, 2017, 12:55:06 pm
I believe that by the end of year the term "Speedy Gonzales", may just be changed to "Speedy Vinales"  :biggrin:


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 01:11:26 pm
I liked him since Moto2. He's leading #46 by +-10 positions in testing and practice so far.

Marquez & Lorenzo is right up there - it's going to be a thrilling season!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 06:55:45 pm
FP2 - Redding fastest, Viñales falls but OK & Rossi the slowest Yamaha.

Let's wait for FP3 - that's when things get serious.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on March 24, 2017, 07:18:39 pm
1.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   55.085s   [Lap 15/16]   343km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   55.185s   +0.100s   [15/17]   348km/h
3.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   55.208s   +0.123s   [14/15]   341km/h
4.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   55.316s   +0.231s   [15/18]   345km/h
5.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   55.378s   +0.293s   [4/16]   343km/h
6.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   55.414s   +0.329s   [15/18]   342km/h
7.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   55.581s   +0.496s   [14/18]   350km/h
8.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   55.604s   +0.519s   [16/17]   348km/h
9.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   55.698s   +0.613s   [5/18]   342km/h
10.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   55.750s   +0.665s   [12/12]   340km/h
11.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   55.760s   +0.675s   [12/17]   344km/h
12.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   55.828s   +0.743s   [16/17]   341km/h
13.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   55.959s   +0.874s   [15/17]   342km/h
14.   Karel Abraham   CZE   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   56.003s   +0.918s   [17/18]   346km/h
15.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   56.069s   +0.984s   [15/16]   337km/h
16.   Alex Rins   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   1m   56.179s   +1.094s   [15/18]   342km/h
17.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   56.368s   +1.283s   [15/17]   343km/h
18.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   56.501s   +1.416s   [15/15]   339km/h
19.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   56.530s   +1.445s   [15/17]   343km/h
20.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   56.934s   +1.849s   [18/18]   346km/h
21.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   57.116s   +2.031s   [16/16]   343km/h
22.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m   57.517s   +2.432s   [14/15]   336km/h
23.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   58.020s   +2.935s   [12/17]   339km/h
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/243032/1/motogp-qatar-free-practice-2-results.html#wsTiry3vbpIote0D.99
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2017, 09:09:12 pm
FP3 - Viñales tops again. Impressive performance from newcomers Folger & Zarco.

Riders going directly to Qualifying 2 - Top 10 Combined Practice Times:
1. Maverick Vinales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
4. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
7. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SmuGS on March 25, 2017, 07:14:22 pm
Seems all qualifying cancelled due to weather.. >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: kfc4unme on March 25, 2017, 08:08:41 pm
I really hope tomorrow is not affected... I don't think I can wait another 2 weeks...

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Carrots on March 25, 2017, 08:10:42 pm
I really hope tomorrow is not affected... I don't think I can wait another 2 weeks...

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Hell no tonight is already a huge disappointment but safety comes first.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on March 25, 2017, 10:48:35 pm
So what now do they start FP order?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 26, 2017, 09:49:11 am
So what now do they start FP order?

Combined times from FP as per my post above.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 26, 2017, 09:57:57 am
Forecast 50/50 at the moment - clear but cloudy with possible thunderstorms later this evening.
 
Grid places decided by combined free practice times after standing water forced qualifying to be cancelled.
Sunday's warm-up will be extended by 10mins but otherwise the race day schedule is unchanged...
1. Maverick Vinales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
4. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
7. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
11. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)
12. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
13. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)
14. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)
15. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)
16. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
17. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)
18. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*
19. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
20. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
21. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*
22. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 26, 2017, 04:45:51 pm
Warm-up:
Moto3 - 23rd for Darryn

Moto2 - Brad 30th. What's going on?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 26, 2017, 04:51:01 pm
Warm-up:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 55.728s [Lap 7/12] 337km/h (Top Speed)
2. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.917s +0.189s [11/13] 343km/h
3. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 56.003s +0.275s [13/14] 335km/h
4. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 56.008s +0.280s [13/13] 337km/h
5. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.084s +0.356s [5/13] 344km/h
6. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 56.085s +0.357s [13/13] 335km/h
7. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 56.114s +0.386s [13/13] 336km/h
8. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 56.181s +0.453s
[6/12] 333km/h
9. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 56.290s +0.562s [11/14] 345km/h
10. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 56.317s +0.589s [6/12] 340km/h
11. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 56.399s +0.671s [11/13]
336km/h
12. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 56.416s +0.688s
[4/14] 334km/h
13. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 56.624s +0.896s [6/12] 338km/h
14. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 56.643s +0.915s
[14/15] 335km/h
15. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 56.684s +0.956s [6/12] 339km/h
16. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.722s +0.994s [8/14] 343km/h
17. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.758s +1.030s [14/14] 335km/h
18. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.819s +1.091s [11/12] 338km/h
19. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.907s +1.179s [14/14] 338km/h
20. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 56.962s +1.234s [11/13] 335km/h
21. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 57.444s +1.716s [15/15] 333km/h
22. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 57.457s +1.729s [11/13] 336km/h
23. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 57.712s +1.984s
[9/13] 330km/h
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: lpj on March 26, 2017, 05:39:08 pm
sub  :lamer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 26, 2017, 06:50:35 pm
Wow, what a Moto3 race - the youngsters never disappoint.

Moto3 race results: Mir, McPhee, Martin, Canet, Fenati, Migno, Antonelli, Di Giannantonio, Ramirez, Norrodin.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: lpj on March 26, 2017, 07:18:17 pm
Brad 20th. I see they mention "some complications with his wrist / arm after breaking it at the end of last year".

Anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Riaande on March 26, 2017, 10:10:42 pm
Brad 20th. I see they mention "some complications with his wrist / arm after breaking it at the end of last year".

Anyone know what happened?
BB was off the pace in pre season testing compared to his teammate. Today Oliveira had a good ride on the KTM ending in fourth. Hope BB get to grips with the moto 2 bike and start working himself up into at least top ten finishes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on March 27, 2017, 08:00:18 am
Brad 20th. I see they mention "some complications with his wrist / arm after breaking it at the end of last year".

Anyone know what happened?

In pre season testing he had a relatively small fall, but unfortunately the bike fell on his left arm, breaking the forearm. After the op, his recovery wasn't up to scratch and he had to go in again, I believe. So that put a dent in his preparation.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Carrots on March 27, 2017, 08:26:23 am
Is it just me or what am I missing....none of our picks are reflecting on the pool?  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: lpj on March 27, 2017, 09:21:25 am
Brad 20th. I see they mention "some complications with his wrist / arm after breaking it at the end of last year".

Anyone know what happened?

In pre season testing he had a relatively small fall, but unfortunately the bike fell on his left arm, breaking the forearm. After the op, his recovery wasn't up to scratch and he had to go in again, I believe. So that put a dent in his preparation.

Thanks Bud  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on March 27, 2017, 11:35:47 am
I have stared following the Moto GP from beginning 2016 and are thus a total noob.
Please help with the following questions:

1. What is the story (pro's and con's ) behind a steel frame versus a trellis frame?
2. It looks like the Ducatti's are faster than the other manufacturers,  why is this, does Ducatti know something that the other manufacturers does not?

Thanks
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on March 27, 2017, 11:40:52 am
I have stared following the Moto GP from beginning 2016 and are thus a total noob.
Please help with the following questions:

1. What is the story (pro's and con's ) behind a steel frame versus a trellis frame?
2. It looks like the Ducatti's are faster than the other manufacturers,  why is this, does Ducatti know something that the other manufacturers does not?

Thanks

#1 - Depends on the manufacturer - they tend to echo their road bikes, there is no definitive benefit or disadvantage.
#2 - engine power is dependent on what the team and manufacturer want from the bike, all factories can make big power, depends how they want it to work with the electronics package, KTM as an example were making to much power and the bike was to difficult to ride. You need a smooth power plant to work on many different circuts, not just those with a long straight. You also have to keep in mind they only get 10 engines a season, if you use up all your allocations you get grid penalties.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on March 27, 2017, 12:20:32 pm
Is it just me or what am I missing....none of our picks are reflecting on the pool?  :-\

You need to pick earlier. you missed out on pole etc.
The rest is there
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Carrots on March 27, 2017, 12:27:07 pm
Is it just me or what am I missing....none of our picks are reflecting on the pool?  :-\

You need to pick earlier. you missed out on pole etc.
The rest is there

Ja ek weet ek het pole gemis....maar vanoggend toe ek gekyk het was dit nog nie updated nie. Dankie ek sien nou dit is daar. Ook maar lekker kak gespeel ekke..... :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on March 27, 2017, 12:27:45 pm
Is it just me or what am I missing....none of our picks are reflecting on the pool?  :-\

You need to pick earlier. you missed out on pole etc.
The rest is there
Jy moet mooi kyk, sy pa is ook op die forum. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on March 27, 2017, 09:00:51 pm
It seems 'Ready to Race' is not the same as 'Ready to Compete' .................

I felt sorry for them
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 28, 2017, 05:44:42 pm
Shamelessly copied from a FB post, I had my staff staring at me I was laughing so hard. Still have loads of repsect for any rider on the grid, but this is kak funny, an email to JL from the boss  :biggrin:.

Dear George,

I really should send you the Email I just got from Matthias in Germany.

But you don't know any German swear-words, so it would be pointless. And I cannot risk being hit by all the broken shisha pipes and busted chairs I see being hurled out of the smashed window of your motorhome.

Eleventh, George? Seriously? Eleventh? It wasn't raining.

I know you said it was. Franco and Loris even drove out and looked in case it was actually raining on the corners where you said it was, but they couldn't see any rain.

And no, I do not think finishing in 11th after starting in 12th is a "great improvement" and that you need a trophy for "Bravest, Best and Fairest". And no, we're not making up a sash for you to wear that says "Here is the Butter, putas!"

Jonas Fucking Folger beat you. Alex Rins beat you. Sure, it was their first ever race on a MotoGP bike, so it's maybe like you say "Beginner's Luck".

But Scott Redding and Jack Miller also beat you. And you don't even know who they are, even though you've been racing them for a while.

Jesus fucken Christ, George. Even Asparagus A managed to haul his shitty Aprilia into sixth, which you would not have seen because you were in 11th.

I'm thinking you'll be racing with those boys a lot this year. Which is why Matthias is so upset. He could have bought all of them, and Zarco, and given them all Ducatis and harems full of prostitutes for what he's paying you to come 11th.

Now keep the noise down. We have to go and have a few wines with Dovi. He came second. He is so happy and really quite pretty in his bridesmaid's dress. He even led the race for a while.

But that "Spanish traitor-puta" as you call him, won.

No, you don't want to know who came third. Trust me.

We're going to Argentina next, George. Yes, it does suck to be you at the moment.

Always hopeful,

Gigi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on March 28, 2017, 06:06:40 pm
 :laughing4:

Maybe he is saying he must get used to the Ducati.
Did'nt Vinales take long to adapt to the Yamaha.

If only Yamaha can get the same top speed out of their bikes as the Ducati's.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: lpj on March 28, 2017, 07:25:49 pm
  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Sithe on March 29, 2017, 11:48:58 am

1. What is the story (pro's and con's ) behind a steel frame versus a trellis frame?
2. It looks like the Ducatti's are faster than the other manufacturers,  why is this, does Ducatti know something that the other manufacturers does not?

Hi Losper long time .. welcome to the party, been following MotoGP since 1999

Here is some interesting reading on the steel trellis vs aluminum frame designs
 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2003/05/21may03steeltrellisframe/  (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2003/05/21may03steeltrellisframe/)

On the second question ... I don't know how Ducati does it ... there is talk that they cooperate a lot with Ferrari ... their engines also use completely different top end design to the Japanese. Ducati uses the Desmodromic  valves system whereas the Japs use pneumatic valves. I don't know how much this accounts for the performance difference. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 29, 2017, 12:56:45 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on March 29, 2017, 01:39:37 pm


Hi Losper long time .. welcome to the party, been following MotoGP since 1999

Here is some interesting reading on the steel trellis vs aluminum frame designs
 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2003/05/21may03steeltrellisframe/  (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2003/05/21may03steeltrellisframe/)

On the second question ... I don't know how Ducati does it ... there is talk that they cooperate a lot with Ferrari ... their engines also use completely different top end design to the Japanese. Ducati uses the Desmodromic  valves system whereas the Japs use pneumatic valves. I don't know how much this accounts for the performance difference.
Thanks Sithe
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: IceCreamMan on March 29, 2017, 01:44:08 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

so what power do they use? if not engine power?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 29, 2017, 02:16:57 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

so what power do they use? if not engine power?

Compressed air from a reservoir.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on March 29, 2017, 02:33:30 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

so what power do they use? if not engine power?

Compressed air from a reservoir.

Seriously and that lasts an entire race?? I wonder how much the cylinder and regulator weigh?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 29, 2017, 03:07:37 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

so what power do they use? if not engine power?

Compressed air from a reservoir.

Seriously and that lasts an entire race?? I wonder how much the cylinder and regulator weigh?

I&horse, i have no idea. I have seen them replenish the system in the pits (when it springs a leak) & it takes a while. Must be under huge pressure consider revs per race.

I don't know if some MotoGP teams run camless motors (will they tell us?). If not, of course the motor still drives a camshaft to open the valve & this will use engine power.

One must differentiate between true pneumatic valved (camless) engines & pneumatic valve springs. Gets technical - don't know who's interested?

Edit: spelling (dutchman shining fru [sic])
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on March 29, 2017, 03:45:44 pm
I'm interested. running cam less should have massive advantages.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on March 29, 2017, 03:51:51 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

so what power do they use? if not engine power?

Compressed air from a reservoir.

Seriously and that lasts an entire race?? I wonder how much the cylinder and regulator weigh?
It sits in what is known as the "lunch box" at the back of the bike and the air is driven from the gearbox out-put shaft, that is what most people think, DUCATI are very cagey about it works.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on March 29, 2017, 05:52:29 pm
It sits in what is known as the "lunch box" at the back of the bike and the air is driven from the gearbox out-put shaft, that is what most people think, DUCATI are very cagey about it works.

No, Ducati totally mechanical.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Gryshond on March 30, 2017, 11:54:14 am

Dear George, .......



That was so funny, thanks for that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 31, 2017, 05:00:57 pm
Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Pneumatic valves use no engine power whilst desmodromic valves do.

Look at the Honda S2000, or the Nissan GTR.
The Yamaha team can get the same top end, and more out of their engines, BUT you sacrifice midrange and it is here where the Duke's handling falls flat. It also has to brake from higher top ends at the end of the straight, and this loads up everything.
Ducati will sort their bike properly once they trade top end power for some midrange. Only dragracing is about max engine power.

Yamaha wins races, not main straight drags.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 02, 2017, 08:48:17 am
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on April 02, 2017, 10:07:06 am
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 1190 on April 02, 2017, 02:41:05 pm
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on April 02, 2017, 06:44:29 pm
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:

Jip, you need exceptional riding ability to overcome the lack of engineering skill at Ducati, Ferrari (& Audi, the holding company).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on April 03, 2017, 09:50:19 am
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:

Jip, you need exceptional riding ability to overcome the lack of engineering skill at Ducati, Ferrari (& Audi, the holding company).
I trust you are being sarcastic, if not not best you have a re-load and re-think.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: dookie on April 03, 2017, 10:28:23 am
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:

Jip, you need exceptional riding ability to overcome the lack of engineering skill at Ducati, Ferrari (& Audi, the holding company).
Sho!!!
Care to substantiate that statement, or is it your "enlightened" own opinion ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on April 03, 2017, 09:30:00 pm
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:

Jip, you need exceptional riding ability to overcome the lack of engineering skill at Ducati, Ferrari (& Audi, the holding company).
I trust you are being sarcastic, if not not best you have a re-load and re-think.

.... context, Cocky, context.... It's in the posts you quoted.

I highlighted the post i (& 2 other people) responded to. Also see my post #108, quoted below:

Italians just know how to extract more power from an engine...... Ferrari or Ducati (or Aprilia).

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on April 03, 2017, 09:37:36 pm
So - show us a tit - get banned - and go help them  :thumleft:
To add to my post above, the examples of bikes with engines too powerful, and thus upsetting handling, is rife in motorcycle racing history.

I am 100% of the opinion that if Ducati detuned the top end a bit, and added that bit to midrange for driveability out of corners, their handling will immediately improve a bit.
Casey Stoner was one of the few people who did well on a Ducati in recent times...... :ricky:

Jip, you need exceptional riding ability to overcome the lack of engineering skill at Ducati, Ferrari (& Audi, the holding company).
Sho!!!
Care to substantiate that statement, or is it your "enlightened" own opinion ?

Dookie, play nice now. It's 2SD's (not so enlightened) opinion.

See my prev reply (to Cocky) for detail. I trust my loyalties meet with your approval.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 04, 2017, 05:57:40 pm
Solo, firstly, the quoted piece on the lack of Italian engineering is not from me, secondly, why do you say that my opinion on the Ducati's too much HP making it a bad handler is "not so enlightened"?

The more power an engine makes, the better the chassis has to be to cope. Ducati is at the point where their chassis' are struggling a bit with the monster top end.

Solo, why do you think that even with such a stonking motor, the Duke's still get handed their arses on a plate by the Yamaha's?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SmuGS on April 08, 2017, 07:28:44 pm
Great Q1, well done Valentino.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on April 09, 2017, 09:21:49 am
Abraham 2nd on a 2015 Duke JL and Dovie not even on QP2
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on April 09, 2017, 08:08:58 pm
Nice to see BiB is getting his rhythm back, looking forward to his Progress in the next Races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: kfc4unme on April 09, 2017, 08:33:54 pm
Nice to see BB is getting his rhythm back, looking forward to his Progress in the next Races.
Yeah and apparently the plate in his arm is not lekka. It's moving. So considering that he did pretty good.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 09, 2017, 10:26:17 pm
Is the MotoGP KTM's in the same race? >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on April 10, 2017, 08:01:33 am
The more power an engine makes, the better the chassis has to be to cope. KTM is at the point where their chassis' are struggling a bit with the monster top end.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on April 10, 2017, 08:27:57 am
The Honda boys are a little quiet this morning...  :lol8:

Ducati is probably glad both their riders were taken out, saved them the embarrassment of finishing where they were.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2017, 08:43:53 am
The more power an engine makes, the better the chassis has to be to cope. KTM is at the point where their chassis' are struggling a bit with the monster top end.

Their factory is too close to Ducati's. :imaposer:
KTM will soon learn that the MotoGP is not Dakar, here you do not come and enter a bike first year and run away with all trophy's.

Unless you are Yamaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 10, 2017, 08:57:40 am
Nice to see BB is getting his rhythm back, looking forward to his Progress in the next Races.
Yeah and apparently the plate in his arm is not lekka. It's moving. So considering that he did pretty good.

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The arm is in fact re broken and he will need another surgery, so his ride was both impressive and very brave.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on April 10, 2017, 09:01:50 am
Yes Dan, I have to admit I am a bit puzzled as to why KTM  entered this Hornet Nest, only Time will tell.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on April 10, 2017, 09:20:58 am
The Honda boys are a little quiet this morning...  :lol8:

Ducati is probably glad both their riders were taken out, saved them the embarrassment of finishing where they were.

Yep, and us Honda boys are going to be quiet for a considerable time to come. Honda has a shit load of work ahead for them, but somehow I am not confident it will be fixed soon. There problems started two years ago and just getting worse every year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Dwerg on April 10, 2017, 09:37:56 am
So you're not a fan of the Honda that was on the podium? C'mon Cal!!  :ricky:

Brad injured and got 9th from 24th on the grid. Amazing ride. And Darryn was in the points 2nd race in a row. Won't be far off the top ten if he can keep it consistent. Was a good weekend  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 10, 2017, 09:44:32 am
I missed the races. What was the results please?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on April 10, 2017, 09:51:00 am
So you're not a fan of the Honda that was on the podium? C'mon Cal!!  :ricky:


I was actually thinking they should drop the GP bike :)
Maybe an indication of how the development is going down hill?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Dwerg on April 10, 2017, 09:55:34 am
I missed the races. What was the results please?

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on April 10, 2017, 10:07:21 am
The more power an engine makes, the better the chassis has to be to cope. KTM is at the point where their chassis' are struggling a bit with the monster top end.

Their factory is too close to Ducati's. :imaposer:
KTM will soon learn that the MotoGP is not Dakar, here you do not come and enter a bike first year and run away with all trophy's.

Unless you are Yamaha.

Everbody that has ridden a bike knows that it will take some time to start having good results in Moto Gp! At least they were 4th and 5th in the Moto 3 and 2nd in Moto 2. I did not notive any Jamahas their , and maybe that is the reason they are doing so well in Moto Gp....because obviously they just have to concentrate on 1 class. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on April 10, 2017, 10:50:59 am
So you're not a fan of the Honda that was on the podium? C'mon Cal!!  :ricky:


I was actually thinking they should drop the GP bike :)
Maybe an indication of how the development is going down hill?

I don't think the Honda is that bad, Marc went like stink before he lost it. It's probably just an issue with front end feel as both seemed to lose the front without any warning.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 1190 on April 10, 2017, 12:28:46 pm
Strange that the KTM's were so different in top speed?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on April 10, 2017, 12:35:42 pm
What is the issue with the Ducati frame, they finished 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: XT JOE on April 10, 2017, 07:37:00 pm
Nice start for Yamaha and- and expecting good stuff from Zarco -  looks pretty consistent just need to save that rear tyre
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2017, 08:35:52 pm
What is the issue with the Ducati frame, they finished 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all ?

No, Alvaro Bautista was 4th on a Duke, Cal Crutchlow 3rd on a Honda.

The weak and slow Yamaha's could only manage 1st and 2nd. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2017, 08:37:38 pm
The more power an engine makes, the better the chassis has to be to cope. KTM is at the point where their chassis' are struggling a bit with the monster top end.

Their factory is too close to Ducati's. :imaposer:
KTM will soon learn that the MotoGP is not Dakar, here you do not come and enter a bike first year and run away with all trophy's.

Unless you are Yamaha.

Everbody that has ridden a bike knows that it will take some time to start having good results in Moto Gp! At least they were 4th and 5th in the Moto 3 and 2nd in Moto 2. I did not notive any Jamahas their , and maybe that is the reason they are doing so well in Moto Gp....because obviously they just have to concentrate on 1 class.

Yet KTM could go into Dakar and rule from start till now? OK, MotoGP is much more refined and difficult.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Clockwork Orange on April 13, 2017, 11:31:07 am
What is the issue with the Ducati frame, they finished 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all ?

No, Alvaro Bautista was 4th on a Duke, Cal Crutchlow 3rd on a Honda.

The weak and slow Yamaha's could only manage 1st and 2nd. :eek7:

The irony is that Bautista was on the 2016 Duke....way out performing the new factory 2017 Dukes.....must be some tension in their garage for sure.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 13, 2017, 05:19:21 pm
What is the issue with the Ducati frame, they finished 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all ?

No, Alvaro Bautista was 4th on a Duke, Cal Crutchlow 3rd on a Honda.

The weak and slow Yamaha's could only manage 1st and 2nd. :eek7:

The irony is that Bautista was on the 2016 Duke....way out performing the new factory 2017 Dukes.....must be some tension in their garage for sure.

Did you see Lorenzo's face after his 1st lap crash on Sunday? :imaposer: Looked like a smallmouth bass.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisMann on April 14, 2017, 08:12:46 am
Very happy for Vinales.

I like him a lot. He even has a "real" girlfriend.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vinales-perfect-start-to-2017-difficult-to-believe-892371/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 14, 2017, 07:12:37 pm
Very happy for Vinales.

I like him a lot. He even has a "real" girlfriend.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vinales-perfect-start-to-2017-difficult-to-believe-892371/

And his taste in bikes is impeccable. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2017, 09:15:07 am
What is the issue with the Ducati frame, they finished 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all ?

No, Alvaro Bautista was 4th on a Duke, Cal Crutchlow 3rd on a Honda.

The weak and slow Yamaha's could only manage 1st and 2nd. :eek7:

The irony is that Bautista was on the 2016 Duke....way out performing the new factory 2017 Dukes.....must be some tension in their garage for sure.

Did you see Lorenzo's face after his 1st lap crash on Sunday? :imaposer: Looked like a smallmouth bass.

Did you see how he threw the poor bike down in the kitty litter?   :imaposer:

Have you seen any of the "Dear George" letters?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 26, 2017, 09:20:05 am
I do not know why Rossi was given the penalty. Did not seem he was at fault at all. I happen to like Zargo.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on April 26, 2017, 09:28:22 am
I do not know why Rossi was given the penalty. Did not seem he was at fault at all. I happen to like Zargo.
I also thought it was unfair but Rossi is a wily old Fox and I bet you he knew what to do even before the Incident. That Guy is so cunning they should consider giving him a small Penalty before every Race, just in case.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 26, 2017, 09:31:38 am
I do not know why Rossi was given the penalty. Did not seem he was at fault at all. I happen to like Zargo.
I also thought it was unfair but Rossi is a wily old Fox and I bet you he knew what to do even before the Incident. That Guy is so cunning they should consider giving him a small Penalty before every Race, just in case.
He is very cunning but it seems he was suprized by the rider on his inside. He has no mirror to see Zargo gaining on him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisMann on April 26, 2017, 09:46:01 am
3rd Race of the season and we still have not seen the Vinales & Marques fight. It's coming though...  :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on April 26, 2017, 11:29:49 am
I do not know why Rossi was given the penalty. Did not seem he was at fault at all. I happen to like Zargo.

Chris, I think Rossi knew exactly what he was doing. Zarco was on his inside, how the hell could he not see him? Does qualifying ring a bell with Vinales?
The penalty was actually for the time he gained on Marques and nothing to do with the Zarco incident
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2017, 11:42:58 am
I do not know why Rossi was given the penalty. Did not seem he was at fault at all. I happen to like Zargo.

At the end of last season, they changed the penalties, the rules around them and how they will be applied.  In this case Rossi was penalized for the time he gained, according to race direction.  As is often the case with rules, they have picked a nice long "kweperlat" for their own posteriors as, in time, it will cause havoc, just like the previous setup of points against the license.

This was a racing incident and with racing incidents, you win some, you lose some.  This is true for all riders and in time, it will be evened out by lady luck.  To sit there and add small penalties through a very theoretical calculation is just silly and like I said, will cause serious noise sooner or later.

For instance:

-  If the rider lost 0.3 seconds due to the incident, would he be given that back?
-  What would race direction do, if the rider's team went over with time sheets showing the rider did go, say 0,5s in that sector on the next lap?


 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on April 26, 2017, 11:48:56 am
It's possible he sort of planned it.

He knew Zarco was right behind him. He knew he was wider than he should have been. He knew Zarco could do that move. He knew there was no need to crash. He knew the run-off was rideable and would give him an advantage. Rossi knows things .......

In fact, maybe he even got his fellow Yamaha rider to do it on purpose - maybe give him a BJ later.

Who knows???  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2017, 11:56:26 am
It's possible he sort of planned it.

He knew Zarco was right behind him. He knew he was wider than he should have been. He knew Zarco could do that move. He knew there was no need to crash. He knew the run-off was rideable and would give him an advantage. Rossi knows things .......

In fact, maybe he even got his fellow Yamaha rider to do it on purpose - maybe give him a BJ later.

Who knows???  :biggrin:

I am a huge Rossi fan, but not even Rossi is this clever.

Anyway, it could easily have gone real pear shaped as well ... for Rossi. Or!  Perhaps this is the truth?

Quote
Dear Johann,

Give me my fucken money back, you cheese-gargling snail-kisser.

What the bastard fuck was that?

You had one job. “Take Rossi out,” I said.

“Send him to spend time in the Clinica Mobile,” I insisted.

“Here’s a nice pile of Euros Matthias wants you to have,” I explained.

How fucking hard was that?

We all knew George was not going to win. Or podium. Or anything.

The sad cazzo even picked soft compound tyres front and rear because he was terrified of bats or something. I don’t even know anymore. It’s not like anyone even listens to him when he’s gnawing on the walls of his trailer and breaking things.

It’s like owning a chimpanzee.

So I thought we’d do something nice for him. Cheer him up. Rossi having his legs splinted with titanium rods would have been just the thing.

You were perfect for the task. You’re new, so everyone expects you to crash into people at random. Crazy Iannone has been around for ever and he still does that.

And you’re French, so there’s no act of vile treachery you’re not capable of.

So I give you a pile of money and what do you do? You catapault Rossi forward!

I belted down to Race Direction with another pile of money and the phone number of a top-notch cathouse, and the best they could do was a 0.3-second penalty for The Doctor.

And we know how that worked out, don’t we, Johann? The bastard now leads the championship and George has gone AWOL from the reservation.

I can’t find him. I can hear weeping inside a pile of old tyres, but that could be that Abrahams kid, or Lowes. They all sound the same to me when they sook.

It looks like I’ll have to contact the US border police in case George intends on making a new life for himself south of the Rio Grande.

I have to go now. Matthias is calling me, doubtlessly to have me explain how a multiple world champion can start in sixth and finish in who-gives-a-shit ninth, and also why the idiot Frenchman can’t do as he’s paid to do.

Talk soon, surrender-boy,

Gigi.

http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/category/blogs/dear-george/

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on April 26, 2017, 03:47:54 pm
No-one even making fun of KTM's blown engine yet?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on April 26, 2017, 03:57:00 pm
No-one even making fun of KTM's blown engine yet?  :peepwall:

It's normal is it not? >:D ;)




I felt so bad for them. It is the last thing they need now.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2017, 07:06:17 pm
No-one even making fun of KTM's blown engine yet?  :peepwall:

Just a clutch problem.  Nothing serious.  Easily fixed by any person who has owned a KTM for more than 5000km.  :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on April 26, 2017, 09:43:47 pm
Clutch problem? Blown engine? On a KTM?

That's f-all, can be fixed on the fly ........................... WE know ............

They've obviously got the worst riders, ever, in history ......... 'cept before Jesus, there were some good KTM riders then, apparently .... or so I've been told .....

 -------------------------------------------------

On a serious note, WHEN they do perform, I hope I'm still in the right frame of mind to notice ..................altsheimer's V KTM ....... I'd bet on the former.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on May 05, 2017, 01:37:58 pm
How long is Brad Binder out for?

Just looked at FP1 results and it almost looks as if someone turned the results upside down
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on May 05, 2017, 01:45:18 pm
FP 1

1.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   51.648s   [Lap 14/17]   276km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   51.650s   +0.002s   [12/12]   275km/h
3.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   51.807s   +0.159s   [11/12]   275km/h

4.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   51.830s   +0.182s   [8/8]   279km/h
5.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   51.962s   +0.314s   [16/17]   276km/h
6.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   52.249s   +0.601s   [11/16]   276km/h
7.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   52.350s   +0.702s   [12/12]   275km/h
8.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   52.353s   +0.705s   [16/17]   277km/h
9.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   52.359s   +0.711s   [11/13]   280km/h
10.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   52.555s   +0.907s   [17/17]   277km/h
11.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   52.684s   +1.036s   [9/15]   278km/h
12.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   52.834s   +1.186s   [15/15]   273km/h
13.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   52.917s   +1.269s   [17/17]   277km/h
14.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   53.102s   +1.454s   [18/18]   275km/h
15.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   53.204s   +1.556s   [13/13]   274km/h
16.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   53.263s   +1.615s   [16/18]   273km/h
17.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   53.375s   +1.727s   [12/15]   271km/h
18.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m   53.752s   +2.104s   [8/8]   272km/h
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   53.885s   +2.237s   [17/17]   273km/h
20.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   54.087s   +2.439s   [16/17]   277km/h
21.   Takuya Tsuda   JPN   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   54.316s   +2.668s   [15/19]   271km/h
Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   No Time   
Karel Abraham   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15)   No Time
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/245206/1/spanish-motogp-jerez-free-practice-1-results.html#0LI4D9B6T2pe7xEF.99
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2017, 01:50:36 pm
How long is Brad Binder out for?

Just looked at FP1 results and it almost looks as if someone turned the results upside down

With luck, Brad will be back for Le Mans in two weeks.

FP1 was on a wet track, so times will be a tad strange.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on May 05, 2017, 01:50:53 pm
How long is Brad Binder out for?

Just looked at FP1 results and it almost looks as if someone turned the results upside down

Last I heard was about 6 - 8 weeks, starting 2 weeks ago.

FP1 was weather affected.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on May 05, 2017, 03:20:48 pm
FP 2

1.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   39.420s   [Lap 17/20]   286km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   39.964s   +0.544s   [18/20]   284km/h
3.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   40.045s   +0.625s   [16/19]   285km/h
4.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   40.291s   +0.871s   [17/20]   289km/h
5.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   40.378s   +0.958s   [18/19]   287km/h
6.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   40.379s   +0.959s   [16/16]   284km/h
7.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   40.392s   +0.972s   [19/21]   288km/h
8.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   40.428s   +1.008s   [16/18]   289km/h
9.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   40.479s   +1.059s   [17/17]   283km/h
10.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   40.573s   +1.153s   [15/15]   287km/h
11.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   40.639s   +1.219s   [17/19]   286km/h
12.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   40.698s   +1.278s   [20/20]   286km/h
13.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   40.773s   +1.353s   [20/20]   286km/h
14.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   40.915s   +1.495s   [18/19]   284km/h
15.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   41.019s   +1.599s   [17/17]   286km/h
16.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   41.165s   +1.745s   [18/19]   285km/h
17.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   41.165s   +1.745s   [19/20]   282km/h
18.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   41.432s   +2.012s   [20/20]   284km/h
19.   Takuya Tsuda   JPN   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   41.887s   +2.467s   [18/19]   281km/h
20.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m   41.905s   +2.485s   [16/18]   282km/h
21.   Karel Abraham   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   41.909s   +2.489s   [14/16]   286km/h
22.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   42.515s   +3.095s   [10/19]   280km/h
23.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   42.630s   +3.210s   [17/17]   289km/h
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/245221/1/spanish-motogp-jerez-free-practice-2-results.html#8YFyw2T0YZ2HFjtu.99
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on May 05, 2017, 05:00:27 pm
J-Lo 9th and 4th on a wet track?

Somebody's broken MotoGP  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on May 07, 2017, 01:46:12 pm
Much as I enjoy being able to watch all of the action on Videopass I don't think I'll renew next year. Quality is just terrible, streaming on SS is much better. Probably because of where the sites are hosted :( :(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 07, 2017, 07:07:35 pm
So it's Pedrosa, Marques, Lorenzo on the podium, in this order, and Vinhales in 6th and Rossi 10th.

Yamaha het weer per ongeluk die R6 enjins ingesit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: XT JOE on May 07, 2017, 09:39:36 pm

 Cannot believe Yamaha performed so badly- tyres? must be more to it. Glad Zargo is seemingly keeping a calm head on and rode brilliant- nearly gave Mr Personality 99 a run for his money
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on May 08, 2017, 09:00:20 am
So it's Pedrosa, Marques, Lorenzo on the podium, in this order, and Vinhales in 6th and Rossi 10th.

Yamaha het weer per ongeluk die R6 enjins ingesit.

Ek kan heeltemal verkeerd wees, maar ek is oortuig dat Honda/Michelin beter werk in hoer temperature. Enigste ding wat my pla is dat hulle reen gehad het in FP1 en Honda was nogsteeds voor.
In die laaste twee was die temperatuur beide 30+
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2017, 09:15:34 am
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


So it's Pedrosa, Marques, Lorenzo on the podium, in this order, and Vinhales in 6th and Rossi 10th.

Yamaha het weer per ongeluk die R6 enjins ingesit.

Ek dink Yamaha het perongeluk vir Homer Simpson aangestel om hulle ECU te tweak.  :-(

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 1190 on May 08, 2017, 09:20:45 am
Or maybe Lorenzo :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2017, 09:30:46 am
Something that may have jumped up and bit Yamaha in the soft bits was the fact that both Honda and Ducati tested on Jerez during winter testing, while Yamaha opted not to.


Or maybe Lorenzo :pot:

 :laughing4:  Dalk, ja!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JonW on May 08, 2017, 10:08:57 am
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on May 08, 2017, 10:24:00 am
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:

Agreed!!
But that red mist....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2017, 10:32:03 am
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:

Agreed!!
But that red mist....

Indeed.  Darryn (imho) has always been more prone too red mist than Brad, but he is an excellent rider.  Perhaps, as he realises he now has a competitive bike, he will get better at controlling the red mist.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on May 08, 2017, 11:23:09 am
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2017, 12:31:04 pm
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.

Rossi, as far as I am aware used a medium rear.  Rossi stated that they gambled with the medium as the hard caused so much wheel spin the bike was impossible to ride.  The medium was better, but still caused too much wheel spin.  So, why did he struggle more?

It is difficult to answer, but my guess would be that the way they set his bike up made a bigger negative impact.   Also, all using the same standard ECU you will probably find that on some track conditions (heat, etc) the standard ECU just cannot allow the setup required for that bike and that rider in those conditions.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 09, 2017, 09:22:04 am
During Monday testing on Jerez Vinales was almost a second a lap faster without any changes to the bike from the previous day and clocked the fastest times for the day, followed by Marquez.  Rossi was even slower, 21st on the timing lists, but reports are his team tested different chassis / tire combinations.

Rossi's tires during the last laps of the race on Sunday.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Sithe on May 11, 2017, 11:54:20 am
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.

Tyre degradation is affected by several variables, mainly track temperature but also bike set up and riding style. Bike set up referring to front vs rear weight bias and riding style referring to braking style (late hard vs early smooth). Other factors like corner speed and lean angle also come into it. Bike set up gets very finicky when you are searching for tenths of a second. You change one thing slightly and something else goes off.

Each rider has a predominant riding style and depending on the track characteristics on the day, that style can work or not work. Really good riders can modify their styles to the conditions but it's a hard thing to do. Biaggi and Pedrosa for example find it very hard to adjust their riding styles. Rossi, Stoner and some others can change quite quickly, they can ride it lose, ride it in line, ride it sideways, etc etc.

Now coming to the Rossi tyre issue, he was off the pace all weekend, just before the race he changed to a set up that they hadn't tested, hoping it would give him better pace but what it caused was excessive tyre degradation and the gamble didn't work.

See article below for an interesting read on Scott Redding struggles with set up :
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245369/1/redding-this-bike-is-such-a-fine-line.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245369/1/redding-this-bike-is-such-a-fine-line.html)

And Rossi here:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245340/1/rossi-yamaha-doesnt-have-good-marriage-with-tyres.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245340/1/rossi-yamaha-doesnt-have-good-marriage-with-tyres.html)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 20, 2017, 03:58:36 pm
KTM 8th and 10th on the Grid at Le Mans and the two Yamaha's on Pole. Looking forward to Tomorrow,
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 20, 2017, 04:02:41 pm
KTM 8th and 10th on the Grid at Le Mans and the two Yamaha's on Pole. Looking forward to Tomorrow,
What time tomorrow?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 20, 2017, 04:24:35 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 20, 2017, 05:01:06 pm
Moto 3 starts 10.45
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JonW on May 20, 2017, 05:03:29 pm
Did anyone see Jack Miller's crash from earlier today.

Very lucky to walk away from this:





Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 20, 2017, 05:27:52 pm
Holy Crap, that is unbelievable Luck.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 21, 2017, 11:08:21 am
Carnage in GP3, there are some very,very lucky Riders. Looks like Oil on the Track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: MaxThePanda on May 21, 2017, 12:01:46 pm
I can't believe he walked away from that!!! That's incredible.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kamanya on May 21, 2017, 12:11:35 pm
OFFS!

Binder's first podium chance blown. What was he doing? Strange line into the corner that I think he was doing to put the followers off.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SteveD on May 21, 2017, 12:24:29 pm
Nooooooo Darryn  :(
Incredible save, gets up into second, then  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Alan on May 21, 2017, 12:28:21 pm
Huge let down.. But, he's showing HUGE Potential, so, should see him on the podiums soon..

Any idea how much longer Brad is off in recovery?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2017, 12:52:10 pm
How the heck did the marshals not see the oil on the track?  Hard to believe no one was seriously injured.


Nooooooo Darryn  :(
Incredible save, gets up into second, then  :'(

The DB40 dude is going to make me cry .... I always cry after I have crapped myself! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Pistonpete on May 21, 2017, 02:19:12 pm
Who is on the KTM's please?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 21, 2017, 02:46:31 pm
and the old man is rattled right at the end!!!! :eek7: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 21, 2017, 02:53:09 pm
Who is on the KTM's please?
Pol Espagaro, Bradly Smith
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2017, 03:20:18 pm
How the heck did the marshals not see the oil on the track?  Hard to believe no one was seriously injured.


Nooooooo Darryn  :(
Incredible save, gets up into second, then  :'(

The DB40 dude is going to make me cry .... I always cry after I have crapped myself!

VR46 goes and does the same! 

Bliksem!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on May 21, 2017, 04:37:44 pm
How the heck did the marshals not see the oil on the track?  Hard to believe no one was seriously injured.

My thoughts too, I am talking about the Safety Car, surely that is why they follow the Riders in the first Lap?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Pistonpete on May 21, 2017, 04:57:03 pm
I'm gutted. Although a firm believer in the fat lady ...I thought Rossi had it in the bag!
Next race

Italian Grand Prix
Autodromo del Mugello - Mugello, Italy
Sun, Jun 4 8: 00a ET
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: XT JOE on May 21, 2017, 06:21:39 pm
I'm gutted. Although a firm believer in the fat lady ...I thought Rossi had it in the bag!
Next race

Italian Grand Prix
Autodromo del Mugello - Mugello, Italy
Sun, Jun 4 8: 00a ET

ditto- but must say his entering the madala phase ... lets go out with glory and guns blazing
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SteveD on May 21, 2017, 10:02:21 pm
VR you twot   >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: aka.Goliath on May 22, 2017, 11:27:50 am
Anyone know of a good video of the full race online somewhere ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kamanya on May 22, 2017, 11:47:16 am
Anyone know of a good video of the full race online somewhere ?

Motogp.com, for a subscription will give you everything going back to the 80's - all the races, qualifying, features etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: aka.Goliath on May 22, 2017, 11:52:05 am
Thanks but that's just a whole other price range for me. Holy shit for 110€... I'm better off with DSTV.

There must be some site that streams it after the race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: aka.Goliath on May 22, 2017, 11:56:57 am
I just found this now after looking again... I suppose I will have to make do with this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otsZHvdY8zc

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JonW on May 22, 2017, 02:33:30 pm
How was Darryn Binder's amazing save yesterday?

So disappointed he crashed, but a podium is not far off I believe.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on May 22, 2017, 02:53:37 pm
Geez to save that and then DNF must be heart breaking.

Can't believe Rossi lost it with the end in sight. Looks like its goodbye 10th title for him.

Miller must be the luckiest guy on earth!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on May 22, 2017, 02:59:46 pm
Can't believe Rossi lost it with the end in sight. Looks like its goodbye 10th title for him.


It is still early in the season.  A bit soon to give up.  If anything, by Rossi pushing the way he did, he has shown that he is still very much up for it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 22, 2017, 07:38:34 pm
Can't believe Rossi lost it with the end in sight. Looks like its goodbye 10th title for him.


It is still early in the season.  A bit soon to give up.  If anything, by Rossi pushing the way he did, he has shown that he is still very much up for it.

Absolutely!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: XT JOE on May 23, 2017, 06:45:56 am
Can't believe Rossi lost it with the end in sight. Looks like its goodbye 10th title for him.


It is still early in the season.  A bit soon to give up.  If anything, by Rossi pushing the way he did, he has shown that he is still very much up for it.

Absolutely!!

Watched some of it last night- yeah he was in top form- Just bowls me over how they could make the call on the tyres in Spain- then see the Yamaha's in France again :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2017, 09:01:01 am
Can't believe Rossi lost it with the end in sight. Looks like its goodbye 10th title for him.


It is still early in the season.  A bit soon to give up.  If anything, by Rossi pushing the way he did, he has shown that he is still very much up for it.

Very early and we all know, Rossi and Yamaha will not give up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 23, 2017, 04:23:27 pm
I just found this now after looking again... I suppose I will have to make do with this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otsZHvdY8zc

Damn, I see it was taken down
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on May 24, 2017, 01:55:47 pm
All the #46 supporters at least had a taste of  how I feel as a #93 supporter :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: aka.Goliath on May 26, 2017, 09:38:20 am
http://m.ewn.co.za/2017/05/26/rossi-injured-in-motocross-accident

I hope he's good by next week.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2017, 09:05:20 am
http://m.ewn.co.za/2017/05/26/rossi-injured-in-motocross-accident

I hope he's good by next week.

He is good.No major injuries.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2017, 11:49:13 am
Great news!

#41 Brad Binder will be back on track at the Italian GP this coming weekend!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JonW on May 30, 2017, 12:00:50 pm
Great news!

#41 Brad Binder will be back on track at the Italian GP this coming weekend!

Now that is great news  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ButtSlider on May 30, 2017, 12:24:18 pm
Great news!

#41 Brad Binder will be back on track at the Italian GP this coming weekend!


That's awesome news. Hope he's good to kick some ass. Although these moto2 boys RIDE  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 01, 2017, 09:49:42 am
Great news!

#41 Brad Binder will be back on track at the Italian GP this coming weekend!


That's awesome news. Hope he's good to kick some ass. Although these moto2 boys RIDE  :ricky:

I agree, great news.
But I fear his learning curve has probably fallen behind the rest of the field, so I expect he has a tough time ahead. Not to mention riding fitness and strength...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2017, 11:24:00 am
Great news!

#41 Brad Binder will be back on track at the Italian GP this coming weekend!


That's awesome news. Hope he's good to kick some ass. Although these moto2 boys RIDE  :ricky:

I agree, great news.
But I fear his learning curve has probably fallen behind the rest of the field, so I expect he has a tough time ahead. Not to mention riding fitness and strength...

Yeah.  Unfortunately you are correct.  Don't you just hate reality!?   :patch:

I think, he could aim for points and with a bit of luck, achieve that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on June 03, 2017, 06:29:20 pm
24th, lets see.............
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on June 03, 2017, 09:03:53 pm
Lorenzo and KTM's struggling going by the qualifying ? Not been watching any Motogp this year but did catch Q this evening.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Alan on June 04, 2017, 11:54:52 am
Damn! THAT was a tight Moto3 race, Daryn rode pretty flawlessly and should have got on the podium today, but a solid 4th considering how close they all were..  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Alan on June 04, 2017, 01:02:16 pm
10th for brad, on his return after shoulder surgery. GREAT race!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2017, 06:47:18 pm
Looks to me like Jorge is on a 70's 860 GT.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 04, 2017, 10:04:07 pm
Looks to me like Jorge is on a 70's 860 GT.
Looks to me those two Yamhas had somethin glogging up their airboxes, damn those Ducatis are fast in a straight line.(349 km/h)
Yamaha must do something about it. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 05, 2017, 08:32:35 am
Looks to me like Jorge is on a 70's 860 GT.
Looks to me those two Yamhas had somethin glogging up their airboxes, damn those Ducatis are fast in a straight line.(349 km/h)
Yamaha must do something about it. :deal:

And how was Dovi's wobble over that crest on the straight, can you imagine if he lost it at that speed!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 05, 2017, 09:38:37 am
And how was Dovi's wobble over that crest on the straight, can you imagine if he lost it at that speed!

IF he had underpants on there would be a big hole in it, or for them that might be just another day at the office. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on June 05, 2017, 10:03:44 am
Was awesome, those Ducatis coming in to their own now.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on June 05, 2017, 10:49:07 am
What was Jorge's problem? from leading the race to dropping like a stone?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Buff on June 05, 2017, 11:12:23 am
What was Jorge's problem? from leading the race to dropping like a stone?

He also had a major wobble at the end of that main straight while going for Rossi. I think it scared the crap out of him because he faded away that same lap.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2017, 11:54:17 am
Damn! THAT was a tight Moto3 race, Daryn rode pretty flawlessly and should have got on the podium today, but a solid 4th considering how close they all were..  :thumleft:

Agreed, but in this race, final positions was up to the gods of the slipstream.

What an incredible race.  Just to get some idea, time difference between P1 and P20:

MotoGP:  51 seconds
Moto 2:  25 seconds
Moto 3:  2,3 seconds!

Was awesome, those Ducatis coming in to their own now.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 05, 2017, 12:03:25 pm
What was Jorge's problem? from leading the race to dropping like a stone?

He also had a major wobble at the end of that main straight while going for Rossi. I think it scared the crap out of him because he faded away that same lap.

I couldnt believe the massive speed difference when he first shot past the Yamahas on the main straight.

Like they were looking for parking!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on June 05, 2017, 12:27:41 pm
Was awesome, those Ducatis coming in to their own now.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2017, 12:28:13 pm
I couldnt believe the massive speed difference when he first shot past the Yamahas on the main straight.

Like they were looking for parking!!!

Janee!  Those Ducatis did fly!

Piro: 354.7
Lorenzo: 353.8
Petrucci: 352.9
Bautista: 352.5
Dovi: 352.3 
Iannone: 351.1 (1st non-Ducati)

Rossi: 347.1
Vinales: 343.9




Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 05, 2017, 01:32:53 pm
I couldnt believe the massive speed difference when he first shot past the Yamahas on the main straight.

Like they were looking for parking!!!

Janee!  Those Ducatis did fly!

Piro: 354.7
Lorenzo: 353.8
Petrucci: 352.9
Bautista: 352.5
Dovi: 352.3 
Iannone: 351.1 (1st non-Ducati)

Rossi: 347.1
Vinales: 343.9

Wow, on the screen the speed difference certainly looked a lot more than 7 or 8 kph.

Those first few laps were absolutely brilliant, as were the other 2 races. I hope Brad will just get closer and closer to the front as the year goes on, he is seemingly well known for his hard work.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2017, 01:57:10 pm
I couldnt believe the massive speed difference when he first shot past the Yamahas on the main straight.

Like they were looking for parking!!!

Janee!  Those Ducatis did fly!

Piro: 354.7
Lorenzo: 353.8
Petrucci: 352.9
Bautista: 352.5
Dovi: 352.3 
Iannone: 351.1 (1st non-Ducati)

Rossi: 347.1
Vinales: 343.9

Wow, on the screen the speed difference certainly looked a lot more than 7 or 8 kph.

Those first few laps were absolutely brilliant, as were the other 2 races. I hope Brad will just get closer and closer to the front as the year goes on, he is seemingly well known for his hard work.

I have no doubt Brad will do much better as the year progress.  He is a very hard worker and a very keen rider.  We just need to hold all our thumbs that his arm heals well and properly and soon.  With Mugello we entered the mad dash MotoGP calender with 4 races in 5 weeks.  Not much resting and healing time.

4 June was Mugello
11 June Catalunya
25 June Assen
2 July: Sachsenring
6 July: Brno.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: CycleC on June 05, 2017, 02:50:12 pm
Interesting to see that Triumph of all manufactures will be the sole supplier of engines to Moto 2 next year-  That 3 cylinder beauty will surely sing after its been worked a bit -- Cant wait !!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 05, 2017, 02:53:26 pm
That last lap in Moto2 was just incredible, nail-biting stuff :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 05, 2017, 02:53:47 pm
Interesting to see that Triumph of all manufactures will be the sole supplier of engines to Moto 2 next year-  That 3 cylinder beauty will surely sing after its been worked a bit -- Cant wait !!

Is it the 675 motor?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 05, 2017, 02:56:25 pm
765cc New Generation triple
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: CycleC on June 05, 2017, 03:01:57 pm
That last lap in Moto2 was just incredible, nail-biting stuff :thumleft: :thumleft:

It sure was but the whole Moto 3 race was insane - Go from 1st to 15th in I corner - All classes in Motorcycle GP racing seems to be in good hands at the moment .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on June 05, 2017, 04:13:49 pm
765cc New Generation triple

They're already reaching 280km/h,with the 600cc, wonder how fast a 765cc will be??
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 05, 2017, 04:57:00 pm
I think overall, the hp will probably stay similar, but the additional torque will be the variable, requiring a different riding style.

But hopefully higher top-end as well!!!

Exciting every which way you look at it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 08:38:10 am
765cc New Generation triple

They're already reaching 280km/h,with the 600cc, wonder how fast a 765cc will be??

It is not just the engine that will change.  There will be some new chassis rules and a while new ECU similar to that of MotoGP.  The bikes are expected to be faster than the current crop, mainly due to the new ECU.  Current Moto 2 have less electronics than Moto 3.  The idea is that Moto 2 will now slot somewhere between Moto 3 and Moto GP in terms of ECU.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 08:39:14 am
Interesting to see that Triumph of all manufactures will be the sole supplier of engines to Moto 2 next year-  That 3 cylinder beauty will surely sing after its been worked a bit -- Cant wait !!

Only from 2019 though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 08:40:32 am
Was awesome, those Ducatis coming in to their own now.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 06, 2017, 08:57:43 am
Interesting to see that Triumph of all manufactures will be the sole supplier of engines to Moto 2 next year-  That 3 cylinder beauty will surely sing after its been worked a bit -- Cant wait !!

Only from 2019 though.

Euro 4 seems to have killed off the CBR600 and Honda feels there is no incentive for them to carry on supplying those motors beyond their current contract. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/

Triumph wants to capitalize on this by giving some exposure to it's new 765cc triple engine. Their timing was good.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 09:13:12 am
Interesting to see that Triumph of all manufactures will be the sole supplier of engines to Moto 2 next year-  That 3 cylinder beauty will surely sing after its been worked a bit -- Cant wait !!

Only from 2019 though.

Euro 4 seems to have killed off the CBR600 and Honda feels there is no incentive for them to carry on supplying those motors beyond their current contract. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/

Triumph wants to capitalize on this by giving some exposure to it's new 765cc triple engine. Their timing was good.

It seems Dorna had various other options open to them, including twin and four cylinders and a special engine from Honda.  They  decided to pick Triumph.  Triumph must have made a very compelling bid and the whole Moto2 arena was ready for a change.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/interview/251133/1/exclusive-carmelo-ezpeleta-dorna-interview.html


An exclusive interview with Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta, moments after the official announcement that Triumph will take over from Honda as exclusive engine supplier for the Moto2 World Championship in 2019...

Crash.net:
Carmelo, were there many options to consider before you decided on Triumph?

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
As always we had different options available to consider and clearly we chose the best in our opinion. It'll be challenging in 2019, a new era for the class, because it's not just the engine, there will also be new chassis and a new ECU. Many changes. We also listened to the opinion of the teams, who told us 'we are very proud about the Moto2 class and the way it has worked, but now is maybe the time to refresh and restart'.


Crash.net:
What has been the reaction of the chassis manufacturers?

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
It has created a lot of interest, we have been contacted not only by the current chassis manufacturers, but also new manufacturers and I can say some that were here before and are looking to come back. I think it's normal because Moto2 is a big battle for the chassis manufacturers and they need to convince the teams to use their chassis. We think that there will be a lot of possibilities for the Moto2 paddock to choose from.

Crash.net:
The engine size is changing from 600cc four-cylinder to 765cc three-cylinder, which will make Moto2 even more unique - no longer the same as Supersport...

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
Exactly. We think it is good for the class also because the other opportunities we had, even to continue with Honda with a special series engine for us, were two-cylinders or four-cylinders. But we wanted to make a radical change. Reliability is more important than performance, but we are also sure the performance will be similar or better than it is now. Not only because of the bigger engine, but also the new ECU.

Crash.net:
The 2019 ECU, to be built by Magneti-Marelli, will be more similar to MotoGP?

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
Yes, it's something we hear from the riders because at the moment you have some electronics in Moto3, practically nothing in Moto2 and a lot in MotoGP. So maybe we can create a clear scale; a little more electronics in Moto2 than Moto3, but less than MotoGP.

Crash.net:
Were Honda open to another manufacturer taking over in Moto2?

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
In general the more manufacturers that are here the better. It seems that the MotoGP world is successful and we think it's a good opportunity for another manufacturer, another European manufacturer, to join us. It's not bad.

Crash.net:
Will the costs change for Moto2 teams?

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
It will be the same. We will also continue using the same random distribution of the engines by ExternPro [who prepare and maintain the current Honda Moto2 engines]. They are already starting to work on the new engine now. Because it's a new partnership, I think there will be closer co-operation between ExternPro and Triumph.

Crash.net:
Thanks Carmelo.

Carmelo Ezpeleta:
Thank-you.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 06, 2017, 10:19:52 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 10:33:14 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Geel Kat on June 06, 2017, 10:36:15 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

They focused on the holy grail of bikes, the 250 Rally.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kamanya on June 06, 2017, 10:37:36 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 10:39:14 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.

I don't see the conflict of interest.  Anyone can build a chassis around the Moto2 rules, slap in the contracted engine and race. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kamanya on June 06, 2017, 10:51:28 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.

I don't see the conflict of interest.  Anyone can build a chassis around the Moto2 rules, slap in the contracted engine and race.

Triumph supplies the engines, then they race in the series too?! How do you think a competitor would feel if Triumph start winning.

Never mind the development advantage; Triumph would have an enormous head start on design of the chassis. Even if they used someone else's chassis, it still would be according to some specs that Triumph would specify based on their understanding of their engine.

KTM, Honda, Ducati, etc all supply factory bikes to other teams, but that's the point, there are other choices available. Also, it is in the interests of the manufacturer to make sure all their bikes are competitive for sales going forward, but as we know, the factory bikes get the new bling first.

Besides, it just doesn't look or feel good.

Is there precedent for this in the past?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 06, 2017, 10:56:19 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 06, 2017, 11:09:34 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
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BMW 1000 RR not doing too bad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Buff on June 06, 2017, 11:13:38 am
BMW has taken it to the Isle of Man so that doesn't hold true.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 06, 2017, 11:14:32 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
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BMW 1000 RR not doing too bad.

Which one? The Safety Bike?  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 11:21:09 am
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.

I don't see the conflict of interest.  Anyone can build a chassis around the Moto2 rules, slap in the contracted engine and race.

Triumph supplies the engines, then they race in the series too?! How do you think a competitor would feel if Triumph start winning.

Never mind the development advantage; Triumph would have an enormous head start on design of the chassis. Even if they used someone else's chassis, it still would be according to some specs that Triumph would specify based on their understanding of their engine.

KTM, Honda, Ducati, etc all supply factory bikes to other teams, but that's the point, there are other choices available. Also, it is in the interests of the manufacturer to make sure all their bikes are competitive for sales going forward, but as we know, the factory bikes get the new bling first.

Besides, it just doesn't look or feel good.

Is there precedent for this in the past?

I hear you, but I personally still do not see the problem due to the manner in which engine allocation works.. 

Remember, even though Triumph supplies the engines, they cannot select their own engine as the engines all go the a third party who tunes and maintains the engines and then, on the Wednesday before the race, distribute the engines.  The Triumph team with their frame will only get their engine, supplied randomly, with everyone else.  This class is not at all similar to the other racing classes with factory teams, satellite teams and customer teams.  Basically, no advantage to Triumph.

There is no precedent.  This one engine class is only 5 years old and the only one who could have created the precedent was Honda and they elected not to.  They could however have raced in the class if they wanted. 

Moto 3 used a similar principle for the first time this year.  KTM, Honda and Mahindra all supplied their bikes for the 2017 season to a third party distributor, who then distributed randomly to the factory team, the satellite teams and the customer teams.  This meant that, at least at the start of the season, all teams should be equal.  We see the impact with the KTM's very clearly in that the Platinum Bay Real Estate Team (Darryn Binder) is currently more competitive than the factory team of Aki Ajo / Red Bull.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on June 06, 2017, 12:06:54 pm
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2017, 01:08:22 pm
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
Am I missing something?

Dorna went out on tender and awarded the tender to the best bidder.   Just a business transaction.








Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on June 06, 2017, 01:13:25 pm
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
Am I missing something?

Dorna went out on tender and awarded the tender to the best bidder.   Just a business transaction.










Make sense, one way money, going out of the sport
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2017, 01:39:56 pm
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2017, 07:34:51 pm
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2017, 08:30:19 pm
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?

Sorry, too busy riding. Missing all these other okes riding events.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2017, 09:02:53 pm
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?



Sorry, too busy riding. Missing all these other okes riding events.

I understand.  I haven't been spending any time watching your ride, so I wouldn't express and opinion on that, but that is just me.   :ricky:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2017, 09:51:07 am
Bloody hell!  Those Yamahas stink this weekend.  Rossi could probably lap faster on a pre-doohickey KLR. 

Hard day for me today.  My three favourites all qualified in terrible positions.

#40 Darryn:  20 something   >:( >:( >:(
#41 Brad:  20 something   :( :( :(
#46: Valentine:  13th.  >:( :( >:( :(

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 11, 2017, 10:06:11 am
I am about to leave for a bud's house in Somerset West to go see those Yamahas continue to over 500 GP victories.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on June 11, 2017, 11:02:53 am
How long you staying there - a month?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 11, 2017, 11:15:51 am
Bloody hell!  Those Yamahas stink this weekend.  Rossi could probably lap faster on a pre-doohickey KLR

Hard day for me today.  My three favourites all qualified in terrible positions.

#40 Darryn:  20 something   >:( >:( >:(
#41 Brad:  20 something   :( :( :(
#46: Valentine:  13th.  >:( :( >:( :(

Hey watch it! I passed a bunch of superbikes in bends at Golden Gate on my way to the 2010 national bash on my pre-doohickey KLR  :lol8:

Anyway, seems if Yamaha complains about a "lack of grip" on the Friday then you know it's gonna be one of those weekends for them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2017, 04:08:41 pm
I am about to leave for a bud's house in Somerset West to go see those Yamahas continue to over 500 GP victories.

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Oops!

You were misled.  There was no MotoGP today.  It was a Tyre Preservation Show instead.   :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 11, 2017, 04:35:30 pm
Marques fell four times yesterday. No grip problem today.
The tyres on the Yamahas on the other hand :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 11, 2017, 04:37:57 pm
 :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2017, 04:42:49 pm
:eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.

Keep in mind that there was tyre testing on Catalunya two weeks ago.  Ducati and Honda went.  Yamaha did not.

Top speed, the Ducatis were still much faster.  Consider that under the top ten highest top speeds, 8 were Ducatis.  The fastest Ducati was Bautista at 345.1.  Compare that to the fastest Yamaha, being Rossi at 337.5 and fastest Honda, Marquez at 337.9. 


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2017, 04:49:25 pm
#41 Brad Binder:  18th.  He was struggling with his arm, fitness and the heat.   :-\
#40 Darryn Binder:  Scuttled out of 14th place on the third to last corner.   :dousing:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2017, 06:32:16 pm
WTF!?   :lol8:



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on June 11, 2017, 07:57:25 pm
Spaghetti bikes giving it to the Japanese, what is this world coming to !  :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 12, 2017, 09:15:03 am

#46: Valentine:  13th.  >:( :( >:( :(

Freud is a bitch.... :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 12, 2017, 09:16:18 am
:eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.

Ducatis are still much faster in straight line.
And looking at Mugello, the Dukes didn't seem that planted on the straight.... just ask Dovi...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on June 12, 2017, 09:19:59 am
:eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.

Ducatis are still much faster in straight line.
And looking at Mugello, the Dukes didn't seem that planted on the straight.... just ask Dovi...
Dovizioso could have passed the Hondas and pull away whenever he felt like it, was definitely faster
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 12, 2017, 09:40:21 am

#46: Valentine:  13th.  >:( :( >:( :(

Freud is a bitch.... :lol8:

Bugger!   :biggrin:

:eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.

Ducatis are still much faster in straight line.
And looking at Mugello, the Dukes didn't seem that planted on the straight.... just ask Dovi...
Dovizioso could have passed the Hondas and pull away whenever he felt like it, was definitely faster

Agreed.  Top speed advantage of around 8km/h + long strait + slipstream and Dovi clearly had the speed advantage.  Once he decided to  clear out, there wasn't anything MM or DP could have done.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: EtienneXplore on June 12, 2017, 02:17:31 pm
Dovi is really messing with my Superbru!!

 :biggrin:
 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 12, 2017, 02:36:20 pm
Dovi is really messing with my Superbru!!

 :biggrin:

ja  :lol8:, Evidently I've never watched bike racing before...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on June 12, 2017, 02:46:20 pm
Same here, this weekend was particularly difficult to predict. At least I got 2 points for Pedrosa in 3rd :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Buff on June 12, 2017, 02:57:36 pm
As much as I love Yamaha, if they want a world title they'd better pull their fingers out their rice exit point and get that M1 working in hot weather  ::)You cannot be winning one weekend and sucking the hind tit the next and only blame the tyres.
Four-Vark-Steaks manne, kom nou  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 12, 2017, 07:05:33 pm
I really hope this is only Yamaha's plan to make the other teams relax too much. :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 13, 2017, 08:02:00 am
I really hope this is only Yamaha's plan to make the other teams relax too much. :snorting:

Rossi already tried it with his MX accident stunt
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2017, 10:34:09 am
As much as I love Yamaha, if they want a world title they'd better pull their fingers out their rice exit point and get that M1 working in hot weather  ::)You cannot be winning one weekend and sucking the hind tit the next and only blame the tyres.
Four-Vark-Steaks manne, kom nou  :eek7:

They take rider input from two riders.  One a old fart with years of Yamaha experience and one whippersnapper whose best ever bike previously was a Suzuki with special aids to help them compete.  Somehow Yamaha chose to listen to the rookie start of season and it seems, heaven forbid, they will do so again after testing two new frames during yesterday and today.  If they keep this up, they deserve to have their arses kicked all over the continent.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisMann on June 13, 2017, 10:46:23 am
Super smooth ride by Dovizioso.  :thumleft:

Very competitive year in MotoGP. Half a second of pace and you're in the mid fields.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2017, 11:38:41 am
Super smooth ride by Dovizioso.  :thumleft:

Very competitive year in MotoGP. Half a second of pace and you're in the mid fields.

I have to differ Chris.  The current setup where tire conservation seems to be the number 1 measure of success, it is a bit of a joke.

Catalunya this past weekend the gap from Dovi in 1st to Marquez was 3.5 seconds.  From Marquez to Dani a further 3.2 seconds.  6.77 seconds between 1st and 3rd.  A further 3 seconds to 4th and then 4 more to 5th.  Basically 14 seconds between 1 and 6.

Last week on Mugello it was 14 seconds between 1 and 8.

Le Mans 14 seconds between 1 and 5.

Jerez 14 seconds between 1 and 3.




Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisMann on June 13, 2017, 02:59:01 pm
Half a second per lap. Obviously not over the race distance!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on June 13, 2017, 03:09:39 pm
Half a second per lap. Obviously not over the race distance!


Dont worry, ChrisMann the rest of us got it.

 ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 13, 2017, 03:54:10 pm
Im really happy for Dovi , I like him as a person and as a rider, I was super chuffed to see him on the podium again, then again I had a grin because pedrosa seems to have pulled the carrot out of his ass and decided to start riding again.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2017, 07:55:35 pm
Half a second per lap. Obviously not over the race distance!

I hear you and you are correct, but a gap of three seconds by the end of the race is to big.  Just my opinion of course.  Maybe Moto3 is spoiling me.  In there 14 or 15 seconds at the end of the race covers 10 to 20 bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2017, 07:57:03 pm
Im really happy for Dovi , I like him as a person and as a rider, I was super chuffed to see him on the podium again, then again I had a grin because pedrosa seems to have pulled the carrot out of his ass and decided to start riding again.

+1.

I have always liked Dovi and I enjoy seeing him competitive. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 24, 2017, 09:27:13 pm
More ry daai Yamahas 7 soorte kak uit die ander uit.

Assen, op n Sondag. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on June 24, 2017, 09:31:50 pm
More ry daai Yamahas 7 soorte kak uit die ander uit.

Assen, op n Sondag. :eek7:

Ja nee, WTF?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 24, 2017, 10:31:22 pm
Wat word van die wereld? Die Hollanders kan nou op n Sondag mouterbaaiks kyk en sommer dagga rook ook. :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 25, 2017, 03:25:14 pm
Rossi, vinniger as n vlieende mossie........ :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

 :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Alan on June 25, 2017, 06:04:27 pm
was an awesome GP.. He loves Assen that's for sure.  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 25, 2017, 06:07:38 pm
How beautiful it was to see Will Hartog and Sheene's son do a lap of Assen on the 2 1977 Suzuki RG500's??

Will on the bike that he won the 1977 Dutch GP on, against Barry Sheene who went on to become 1977 world champion.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 08:55:47 am
More ry daai Yamahas 7 soorte kak uit die ander uit.

Assen, op n Sondag. :eek7:

Darem al so van 2016 af so Oom Danie.  Jy moet konsentreer man!   >:D :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on June 26, 2017, 08:57:51 am
What happened to Vinales ? Ducati now the title contender !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 08:59:51 am
#40 Darryn Binder stank at qualifying and started 27th.  Managed to work his way to 13th by the end of the race.  The Moto3 KTM's are not very competitive this year.  I wonder if they spend too much time and money on the MotoGP and Moto2 development?

#41 Brad Binder struggled in qualifying, starting 24th on the grid.  He managed 13th as well.


What happened to Vinales ? Ducati now the title contender !

Vinales crashed.

Ducati now leading the championship, but only 11 points between top 4!  Making for an exciting season.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 26, 2017, 09:00:28 am
What happened to Vinales ?

Made a mistake and lost the front.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 26, 2017, 09:01:25 am

#41 Brad Binder struggled in qualifying, starting 24th on the grid.  He managed 13th as well.

Did he not start 17th? His best qualifying so far this season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 09:03:09 am

#41 Brad Binder struggled in qualifying, starting 24th on the grid.  He managed 13th as well.

Did he not start 17th? His best qualifying so far this season.

He did indeed.  Old age is a bugger!  I have no idea where the 24th comes from.   :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Dwerg on June 26, 2017, 09:03:19 am
How about that ride by Cal Crutchlow? He was a good 5-6 seconds behind the podium group but managed to catch them and so very nearly got 3rd
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 26, 2017, 09:49:46 am
How about that ride by Cal Crutchlow? He was a good 5-6 seconds behind the podium group but managed to catch them and so very nearly got 3rd

When conditions get dicey he seems to get quicker, not sure if its him as a rider or whether bad conditions just level the playing field for the bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 09:57:40 am
How about that ride by Cal Crutchlow? He was a good 5-6 seconds behind the podium group but managed to catch them and so very nearly got 3rd

When conditions get dicey he seems to get quicker, not sure if its him as a rider or whether bad conditions just level the playing field for the bikes.

+1.

Also, Cal doesn't have anything to lose, while Rossi, Marquez and Dovi does, so he could be a bit more adventurous.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Groenie on June 26, 2017, 11:00:54 am
It was the best MotoGP race in a long time. Great dicing and good riding by Cal and Petrucci
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 26, 2017, 12:25:33 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: XT JOE on June 26, 2017, 12:31:57 pm
It was the best MotoGP race in a long time. Great dicing and good riding by Cal and Petrucci

Absolutely
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on June 26, 2017, 12:35:52 pm
How about that ride by Cal Crutchlow? He was a good 5-6 seconds behind the podium group but managed to catch them and so very nearly got 3rd

When conditions get dicey he seems to get quicker, not sure if its him as a rider or whether bad conditions just level the playing field for the bikes.

He's English - rides wet better than dry. Cold better than hot. That's what he grew up on.

Lorenzo seems to be scared of wet/cold for some reason, yet he's so fast on dry.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 26, 2017, 01:35:23 pm
Also interesting to see how the wet influences some riders, Rabat and Pedrosa had a tough time in qualifying. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: DirtRebell on June 26, 2017, 01:50:02 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale




Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 02:16:35 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

He was a top rider on the Yamaha only.  He never rode another make of bike and it seems that he is finding it very hard, near impossible, to adapt to the Ducati.  Why, I cannot say as the Ducatis, for the first time in some years, seem to be properly competitive.  It is clear that he had lost also all confidence in himself and the bike when it is wet.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 02:17:23 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale

Are you following all the Dear George letters?  There are some truly hilarious ones.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 26, 2017, 03:43:46 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

He was a top rider on the Yamaha only.  He never rode another make of bike and it seems that he is finding it very hard, near impossible, to adapt to the Ducati.  Why, I cannot say as the Ducatis, for the first time in some years, seem to be properly competitive.  It is clear that he had lost also all confidence in himself and the bike when it is wet.

Some riders, like oorlede Mike Hailwood, has the ability to ride around problems, and make do with a less than perfect bike. Not Jorge. He was only good on a perfect bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 26, 2017, 04:03:02 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale

Are you following all the Dear George letters?  There are some truly hilarious ones.
Where do you guy's get to see the "Dear George" letters?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 04:23:20 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale

Are you following all the Dear George letters?  There are some truly hilarious ones.
Where do you guy's get to see the "Dear George" letters?

I have to come to await the latest "Dear George" letter with more anticipation than the latest BMW recall!   :imaposer:

 http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/category/blogs/dear-george/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: DirtRebell on June 26, 2017, 04:23:56 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale

Are you following all the Dear George letters?  There are some truly hilarious ones.

no, please post the link :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 04:25:06 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

He was a top rider on the Yamaha only.  He never rode another make of bike and it seems that he is finding it very hard, near impossible, to adapt to the Ducati.  Why, I cannot say as the Ducatis, for the first time in some years, seem to be properly competitive.  It is clear that he had lost also all confidence in himself and the bike when it is wet.

Some riders, like oorlede Mike Hailwood, has the ability to ride around problems, and make do with a less than perfect bike. Not Jorge. He was only good on a perfect bike.

Indeed!  Also, George was never much of a dog fighter.  He is super smooth and super fast in a really good bike and while in front.  Just cannot fight like a terrier.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: EtienneXplore on June 26, 2017, 04:56:25 pm
no, please post the link :thumleft:

There is a Facebook Group, it is moer funny!

https://web.facebook.com/deargeorge99/


 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 07:05:07 pm
I am new to MotoGP
Why is Lorenzo struggling so much, he is one of the top riders???

Saw this on FB this morning - possibly the best answer me thinks :imaposer: :spitcoffee:

Dear George,

Gigi call me last night. He is a little bit, how you say, concerned you are not OK.

I think he call me because I was once team-mate with you, and maybe I know how is the best way to stop you when you start to make the hissing and bite the mechanics.

I tell Gigi that when you become the Mamba, Lin always take the firehose and shoot water at you because you don’t like the water and you run away and stop biting.

Then we build the wall. Remember the wall? It work very well.

It was little bit hard to hear everything Gigi say. The music was very loud, but I also hear Davide crying and saying “Bayliss, Bayliss, Bayliss…” in background.

You remember how the post-race parties are when you win. Or maybe not, ha ha! Anyway, I dance all night with big Dutch girls in yellow bikinis.

Never mind. That was a great race, no? I know you did not see much of it. I know when I have the penalty and must start from the back of the grid is very difficult to push to the front, but I always try, yes?

So yes, to come from 21st position is very hard.

I am a little bit sorry if I scare you when I lap you. I was very surprised. It is the first time I see the back-markers for many years. You are bringing this back, yes? That is very exciting for the fans.

Maybe you did not see me? Gigi tell me you had your eyes closed for much of the race.

My friend, Danilo, who was behind me and we make great race together, say to me he see much water come from under your helmet.

“How is come this water?” I ask.  Danilo say to me: “Was salty.”

I say to him: “Must be water from the North Sea.” And then we laugh together with the Dutch girls. Ha ha ha!

I think maybe is better for you next year. If Harley-Davidson buy Ducati, then will be good to see how you race the new Ducati Ultra Fat FXSRRR GP bike.

Or maybe I will buy Ducati. And then I will be your boss. Ha ha! That will be very funny, no?

I must now make preparation for Sachsenring. The championship is very close. I am now only seven points from the lead. But you must not worry about this.

You are two points behind Danilo in eighth position. This is make Danilo very happy. He say maybe Gigi will take some octopus from your bike and put it into his.

I say to him, “The octopus will already be salty!”

And then we laugh again. Ha ha ha!

Ciao,

Vale

Are you following all the Dear George letters?  There are some truly hilarious ones.

no, please post the link :thumleft:

 http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/category/blogs/dear-george/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 12:21:34 pm
Interesting tidbit from MotoGP.

Honda HRC decided not to renew their contract with Jack Miller fro next year.  This means that if the Marc VDS team whished to keep on using Jack, they would have to pay his salary and lease the bike from Honda.  Marc VDS, quickly decided to also not renew their contract with Jack, so he is without a ride.

Marc VDS just announced that they will, "promote" Franco Morbidelli from their own Moto2 team to their MotoGP team at the end of this season.  It seems HRC is happy with this and the deal between Marc VDS and HRC will be renewed.

The interesting bit, for me anyway, is that Franco Morbidelli is a member of the VR46 Academy and as such, he will be the first rider from the VR46 Academy, to make it into Moto2 MotoGP, with the owner of the academy still racing.  A true situation of master versus student.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on June 28, 2017, 12:39:26 pm
I feel sorry for old Jack, he's actually doing a descent job IMO
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 28, 2017, 01:15:06 pm
Interesting tidbit from MotoGP.

Honda HRC decided not to renew their contract with Jack Miller fro next year.  This means that if the Marc VDS team whished to keep on using Jack, they would have to pay his salary and lease the bike from Honda.  Marc VDS, quickly decided to also not renew their contract with Jack, so he is without a ride.

Marc VDS just announced that they will, "promote" Franco Morbidelli from their own Moto2 team to their MotoGP team at the end of this season.  It seems HRC is happy with this and the deal between Marc VDS and HRC will be renewed.

The interesting bit, for me anyway, is that Franco Morbidelli is a member of the VR46 Academy and as such, he will be the first rider from the VR46 Academy, to make it into Moto2, with the owner of the academy still racing.  A true situation of master versus student.
Thank you for the above,  can you perhaps give me more info:
Who is Marc VDS Racing?
Is Jack the owner and how does he benefit from sponsoring this very very expensive sport?
To me it makes sense that Honda and Yamaha sponsors riders because they get advertising out of it but VDS Racing, who are they?
Please excuse my stupidity :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 01:45:31 pm
Thank you for the above,  can you perhaps give me more info:
Who is Marc VDS Racing?
Is Jack the owner and how does he benefit from sponsoring this very very expensive sport?
To me it makes sense that Honda and Yamaha sponsors riders because they get advertising out of it but VDS Racing, who are they?
Please excuse my stupidity :)

- Who is Marc VDS racing?  See link:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_VDS_Racing_Team
- Jack is not the owner of the team.  He is just the rider of one of their bikes.  Jack did not sponsor anything.  He is the one being sponsored.  In his case by Honda.  Honda has now cancelled that contract.
- By MotoGP rules, the factory teams contract to enter 2 bikes per factory and then supply at least two more bikes to a satelite team.  Tech 3 Yamaha in the case of Yamaha and LCR Honda in the case of Honda.  They can then also sell, or supply bikes to other teams, such as Marc VDS who, although you don't know them, is well know in racing circles.  They are, for instance currently leading the 2017 Moto2 Championship. 
- The factories like Honda, Yamaha and Ducati, often do a deal with a rider who is not riding in their factory team for various reasons.  One is that it is a sort of retainer.  If he shapes he may well move up to the factory team.  Another is that the rider is very popular and as such the factory can use him in advertising and promotions, etc.  So, you often find that Yamaha, Honda and Ducati have riders on their "payroll" who is not directly racing for them.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 28, 2017, 02:15:23 pm
Thank you TheBear,  a few more questions if you dont mind:

Yes I know Jack Miller is the rider, I actually thought the old bearded man that is always with Jack Miller name is also Jack,  I think he is the owner of VDS Racing??
I still don't understand how VDS Racing would benefit from spending all that money,  what product are they advertising, nothing??

My other question is: when does a rider qualify to move up from Moto3 to Moto2 and again on to MotoGP?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 28, 2017, 02:52:23 pm

The interesting bit, for me anyway, is that Franco Morbidelli is a member of the VR46 Academy and as such, he will be the first rider from the VR46 Academy, to make it into Moto2 MotoGP, with the owner of the academy still racing.  A true situation of master versus student.

Corrected.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 28, 2017, 02:54:52 pm

I still don't understand how VDS Racing would benefit from spending all that money,  what product are they advertising, nothing??

Beer. The answer is always beer.  :biggrin: Estrillia Galicia 0,0 (Spelling?)


My other question is: when does a rider qualify to move up from Moto3 to Moto2 and again on to MotoGP?

There is no set rule in terms of age or experience or past results, as far as I know.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 28, 2017, 03:00:00 pm
I am sure there must be some sort of rule or something other wise there would be 60riders in MotoGP ( sponsors permitting )
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 07:01:09 pm

The interesting bit, for me anyway, is that Franco Morbidelli is a member of the VR46 Academy and as such, he will be the first rider from the VR46 Academy, to make it into Moto2 MotoGP, with the owner of the academy still racing.  A true situation of master versus student.

Corrected.

Thanks.   :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 07:07:10 pm
Thank you TheBear,  a few more questions if you dont mind:

Yes I know Jack Miller is the rider, I actually thought the old bearded man that is always with Jack Miller name is also Jack,  I think he is the owner of VDS Racing??
I still don't understand how VDS Racing would benefit from spending all that money,  what product are they advertising, nothing??

My other question is: when does a rider qualify to move up from Moto3 to Moto2 and again on to MotoGP?

Team owner is Marc van der Straten.
Like Bud500 said, advertising beer.   Estrella Galicia who also sponsors a Moto3 team, some soccer teams, car racing teams, etc. and no qualification requirements.
We often have a situation where a rider is sponsored by a different sponsor to the team.  This was the case with Jack Miller.  Estrella Galica sponsors te team, but HRC (Honda Racing Corporation) sponsored Jack Miller's salary and a race bike.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 07:09:40 pm
I am sure there must be some sort of rule or something other wise there would be 60riders in MotoGP ( sponsors permitting )

There is no rule.  The MotoGP rules allow for 13 two bike teams, i.e. 26 bikes on the grid.  Those teams can pick any rider to ride their bikes.  There is no qualification requirements for the riders.  There used to be a rule that stated a rookie could not ride for a factory team, but that was changed when Marc Marquez joined the Honda factory team.

EDIT:  Memory fails.  I can't remember whether it is 24 or 26 bikes, i.e. 12 or 13 teams.  Also, sometimes a team can only afford to field one bike, but basically grid limit is 24 or 26.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 28, 2017, 09:13:19 pm
Thanks for the info guys.
I have started to follow Motogp from the beginning of last year and have not missed one race.
Still learning as we go along.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 28, 2017, 09:58:27 pm
Thanks for the info guys.
I have started to follow Motogp from the beginning of last year and have not missed one race.
Still learning as we go along.

Nice to see an offroader also enjoy the roadbike racing.

Often D/S bikers do not want anything to do with streetbikes, which I have always found quite silly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on June 29, 2017, 08:52:57 am

Often D/S bikers do not want anything to do with streetbikes, which I have always found quite silly.

Have to agree.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2017, 09:35:31 am
Thanks for the info guys.
I have started to follow Motogp from the beginning of last year and have not missed one race.
Still learning as we go along.

Nice to see an offroader also enjoy the roadbike racing.

Often D/S bikers do not want anything to do with streetbikes, which I have always found quite silly.

You misunderstand Danie.  Road racing brings us some of the greatest DS riding ever!

 (https://i2.wp.com/canadamotoguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/7c098.jpg)

(http://www.macsmodeling.com/021%20Sat%20(022).JPG)

 :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on June 29, 2017, 10:25:17 am
Thanks for the info guys.
I have started to follow Motogp from the beginning of last year and have not missed one race.
Still learning as we go along.

Nice to see an offroader also enjoy the roadbike racing.

Often D/S bikers do not want anything to do with streetbikes, which I have always found quite silly.
Danie,  ek laaik alles wat met bikes te doen het en ek laaik sommer alle bikes ook,  nee wag wag!! Harley Davidsons is dalk 'n uitsondering :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 29, 2017, 11:43:15 am
Losper, Harleys is nie bikes nie, hulle disguise net die goed met 2 wiele om ryers te confuse.

As Harley n bike is, is my kruiwa n mono-cycle. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on June 29, 2017, 11:47:15 am
Losper, Harleys is nie bikes nie, hulle disguise net die goed met 2 wiele om ryers te confuse.

As Harley n bike is, is my kruiwa n mono-cycle. ;)

Ek stem heeltemal saam!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on June 30, 2017, 12:18:21 pm
Off to Sachsenring, Germany they go!

FP1:

Brad: 16th
Darryn: 20th.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 01, 2017, 02:44:58 pm
Watching the qualifying and they have to change to rain setup.
I was amazed at what they do change. Front shock springs,back shock out different one in,front brake discs ,even one bike different chain.
Here I was thinking it's just a different set of rubber.
So one learns. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2017, 07:42:00 am
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on July 03, 2017, 07:50:52 am
Ja-nee, Mark het goed gery. Maar die gaping tussen hulle 2 en die res laat my wonder hoekom Yamaha (VR en MV) so op en af is? Lyk nie of aar veel consistency is van race tot race nie. Of miskien is dit die Hondas wat nie so konsekwent is nie, en hierdie race was hulle "op"?

Ducati's was ook nie te sleg nie, maar ek het nie die groot verskil in top spoed gesien die keer nie. Het die res opgevang? Of was JL bang dit reën?  :lol8:

Maar ja, wel gedaan aan die Yamaha wat so saam met Mark gery het.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on July 03, 2017, 09:03:15 am
Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:

Die res van die manne is almal wel geklop deur 'n Duitser op 'n standaard Yamaha R1 met 'n Kerker op.

Insluitende die mediese personeel met opgezefde R1's...

#awkward
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 09:18:48 am
Yamaha, beter mooi huiswerk doen oor die somervakansie.  Niks strandlê vir hulle nie.

Eerste ding is bou genoeg rame sodat Rossi en Vinales elkeen twee identiese rame kan kry!

Ducati's was ook nie te sleg nie, maar ek het nie die groot verskil in top spoed gesien die keer nie. Het die res opgevang? Of was JL bang dit reën?  :lol8:

Hulle was heelwat nader aan mekaar wat top spoed betref, maar onthou, die lengte van die straight, slipstream geleentheid, ens. speel 'n groot rol. Voorbeeld, die vinnigste ou Sondag was 293.1, teenoor 350 op die bane met die lang straights..

Top speeds:

Bautista, Ducati:  293.1
EspargaroP, KTM: 292.3
Lorenzo. Ducati: 292.2
Dovi, Ducati: 291.4
Vinales, Yamaha: 291.4
Pedrosa, Honda: 291.4
Petrucci, Ducati: 290.5
EspargaroA, Aprilia: 290.2
Rossi, Yamaha: 290.2
 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 09:25:55 am
Well done to the Binder Brothers.

#40:  Darryn ran 6th for awhile, but finished 10th after his bike started losing power.
#41:  Brad finished 7th.  Not bad at all.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on July 03, 2017, 09:33:03 am
Well done to the Binder Brothers.

#40:  Darryn ran 6th for awhile, but finished 10th after his bike started losing power.
#41:  Brad finished 7th.  Not bad at all.
Making us proud!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 09:59:02 am
Well done to the Binder Brothers.

#40:  Darryn ran 6th for awhile, but finished 10th after his bike started losing power.
#41:  Brad finished 7th.  Not bad at all.
Making us proud!  :thumleft:

Indeed! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on July 03, 2017, 11:05:56 am
Ek dink die Sachsenring is maar kort en vol draaie so die Ducati's het gesukkel ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 11:14:33 am
Ek dink die Sachsenring is maar kort en vol draaie so die Ducati's het gesukkel ?

Ek dink jy is reg.  Die Hondas is by uitstek goed met die "point and squirt" bane, terwyl beide Ducati en Yamaha beter doen op die lang sweeps.  Al wat my redelik aan die wonder het is die groot verskille van baan tot baan. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 11:50:26 am
Just for interest sake.  Top speeds achieved on the various circuits.

2017:  First 9 races of the season:

Losail, Qatar:  Lorenzo, Ducati - 347,2
Rio Hondo, Argentina:  Bautista, Ducati - 333,9
COTA, USA: Lorenzo, Ducati - 345,6
Jerez, Spain:  Lorenzo, Ducati - 294,3
Le Mans, France:  Barbera, Ducati - 313,7
Mugello, Italy:  Pirro, Ducati - 354,7
Catalunya, Spain: Bautista, Ducati - 345,1
Assen, Holland: Bautista, Ducati - 313,7
Sachsenring, Germany: Bautista, Ducati - 293,1


2016: Last 9 races of the season:

Osterreich Ring, Austria: Dovizioso, Ducati - 313,0
Brno, Czech Republic:  Crutchlow, Honda - 291,4
Silverstone, UK:  Iannone, Ducati -  326,4
Misano, Italy:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 294,1
Aragon, Spain: Dovizioso, Ducati - 343,6
Motegi, Japan:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 307,9
Phillip Island, Australia:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 340,5
Sepang, Malaysia: EspargaroA, Suzuki - 308,1
Valencia, Spain: Iannone, Ducati - 322,9



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on July 03, 2017, 12:02:06 pm
Just for interest sake.  Top speeds achieved on the various circuits.

2017:  First 9 races of the season:

Losail, Qatar:  Lorenzo, Ducati - 347,2
Rio Hondo, Argentina:  Bautista, Ducati - 333,9
COTA, USA: Lorenzo, Ducati - 345,6
Jerez, Spain:  Lorenzo, Ducati - 294,3
Le Mans, France:  Barbera, Ducati - 313,7
Mugello, Italy:  Pirro, Ducati - 354,7
Catalunya, Spain: Bautista, Ducati - 345,1
Assen, Holland: Bautista, Ducati - 313,7
Sachsenring, Germany: Bautista, Ducati - 293,1


2016: Last 9 races of the season:

Osterreich Ring, Austria: Dovizioso, Ducati - 313,0
Brno, Czech Republic:  Crutchlow, Honda - 291,4
Silverstone, UK:  Iannone, Ducati -  326,4
Misano, Italy:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 294,1
Aragon, Spain: Dovizioso, Ducati - 343,6
Motegi, Japan:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 307,9
Phillip Island, Australia:  Dovizioso, Ducati - 340,5
Sepang, Malaysia: EspargaroA, Suzuki - 308,1
Valencia, Spain: Iannone, Ducati - 322,9
Love these kinds of stats, thanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: sidetrack on July 03, 2017, 12:24:38 pm
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Wel defnitief standaard brieke ook want hy het omtrent elke rondte wyd gehardloop by die eerste draai  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on July 03, 2017, 12:29:12 pm
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Wel defnitief standaard brieke ook want hy het omtrent elke rondte wyd gehardloop by die eerste draai  :biggrin:
:imaposer: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 12:32:38 pm
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Wel defnitief standaard brieke ook want hy het omtrent elke rondte wyd gehardloop by die eerste draai  :biggrin:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Hulle het vergeet om sy SBS Commuter brieke met SBS Platinum Sintered Gold Plated RACE te vervang   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2017, 08:01:39 pm
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Wel defnitief standaard brieke ook want hy het omtrent elke rondte wyd gehardloop by die eerste draai  :biggrin:

Yamaha het per ongeluk Ducati brieke opgesit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2017, 08:55:42 pm
Marc en Honda het weer gister gewys wat in hulle sit.

Om die Duitse GP 8 keer na mekaar te wen is fantasties.

Maar hy is amper gewen deur n Duitser op n standaard Yamaha R1 met n Kerker op. :eek7:
Wel defnitief standaard brieke ook want hy het omtrent elke rondte wyd gehardloop by die eerste draai  :biggrin:

Yamaha het per ongeluk Ducati brieke opgesit.

Danie, jy moet my vergewe, maar ek is erg damoerin vir Yamaha op die oomblik.  Ek dink elke donnerse onderdeel op daai twee M1's is deur vakleerlinge by die Skool vir Blindes in Sjina vervaardig.  Rossi se M1 het twee keer gekalf.  Een keer tydens FP1 en een keer tydens FP2.  Dan moes hy met die ander fiets wat die ander raam het ry want daar was nie genoeg rame nie.    Dat hy en Vinales die ren klaar gemaak het is suiwer genade, geluk en gom.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: landieman on August 04, 2017, 06:39:11 am
motogp weekend,yippy!!!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on August 04, 2017, 08:44:29 am
I see Darryn Binder will not be racing, due to some medical reason, not sure what.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on August 04, 2017, 08:51:31 am
His season is stuffed anyway, he might as well heal properly.

Still sad though
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on August 04, 2017, 01:41:53 pm
I see Darryn Binder will not be racing, due to some medical reason, not sure what.

From Darren Binder's Facebook page on Monday:
Quote
Not the way I planned on spending my last weekend in South Africa. Crashed my supermoto on Saturday and broke my thumb, had it pinned yesterday and will be back ASAP !
Unquote

This was accompanied by some pictures of a broken right thumb.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on August 04, 2017, 02:02:02 pm
Eish, KTM can't be happy.

I wouldn't mind seeing him on his Supermoto!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 07, 2017, 02:49:01 pm
Eish, KTM can't be happy.

I wouldn't mind seeing him on his Supermoto!!!

KTM se gat!  They should give Darryn a factory ride, then they can complain if he is injured.  Looking at how the Moto3 KTM factory team is performing, I am pretty sure they are wishing they gave Darryn the ride instead of Antonelli.

Brad did well, I think.  10th on the grid to 6th before the Moto2 race was red flagged was a good one.  Then he did well in the wet 2nd part until Morbidelli knocked him so wide he lost 5 or 6 places.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Dwerg on August 07, 2017, 03:21:57 pm
I had Brad for 5th place. Purely a gut feel/optimism and thought for a few laps he was actually going to pull it off
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on August 07, 2017, 03:33:55 pm
Eish, KTM can't be happy.

I wouldn't mind seeing him on his Supermoto!!!

KTM se gat!  They should give Darryn a factory ride, then they can complain if he is injured.  Looking at how the Moto3 KTM factory team is performing, I am pretty sure they are wishing they gave Darryn the ride instead of Antonelli.

Brad did well, I think.  10th on the grid to 6th before the Moto2 race was red flagged was a good one.  Then he did well in the wet 2nd part until Morbidelli knocked him so wide he lost 5 or 6 places.

I suspect I&Horse got the Binders mixed up.

By the way, Brad started 9th on the grid. Yes he was doing damn well, good to see some of his rear wheel steering style coming back.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 07, 2017, 07:06:31 pm
Eish, KTM can't be happy.

I wouldn't mind seeing him on his Supermoto!!!

KTM se gat!  They should give Darryn a factory ride, then they can complain if he is injured.  Looking at how the Moto3 KTM factory team is performing, I am pretty sure they are wishing they gave Darryn the ride instead of Antonelli.

Brad did well, I think.  10th on the grid to 6th before the Moto2 race was red flagged was a good one.  Then he did well in the wet 2nd part until Morbidelli knocked him so wide he lost 5 or 6 places.

I suspect I&Horse got the Binders mixed up.

By the way, Brad started 9th on the grid. Yes he was doing damn well, good to see some of his rear wheel steering style coming back.

True.  He qualified 10th, but started 9th due to a penalty of another rider.

He certainly seems to be getting the hang of the bike.  I like!  He is looking better everytime he races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on August 07, 2017, 08:49:06 pm
So Darren injured?

That makes sense now pffft
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2017, 05:46:14 am
Brno testing yesterday and Rossi fastest.  The new "aerofairing" on that Yamaha looks awesome and a far cry from the contraption on the Ducati.  He also tested new forks which is all very secret.  I believe it is a rumour that the stanchions were supplied by a well know European manufacturer!   >:D



So Darren injured?

That makes sense now pffft

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on August 08, 2017, 06:14:38 am
Brno testing yesterday and Rossi fastest.  The new "aerofairing" on that Yamaha looks awesome and a far cry from the contraption on the Ducati.  He also tested new forks which is all very secret.  I believe it is a rumour that the stanchions were supplied by a well know European manufacturer!   >:D


Are you sure? I thought it was supplied by that Indian manufacturer. What's the name again... uhm... Mahindra! Oh wait, no...  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: DirtRebell on August 08, 2017, 07:22:19 am

:imaposer:


Dear George,

You’ve been standing up on that podium all night. You need to come down. It’s kinda creepy you up there in the dark waving your arms around and yelling, and me down here using my smartphone like a torch.

Everyone has gone home. The Automotorotonotodromo, or whatever it is these unreconstructed Chechyan communists call the place, is closed. Even the gypsies who steal peoples’ wallets have left.

There’s just you and me, and some of our mechanics who are too drunk to drive and are sleeping on the tyre piles out the back of the garage.

I’m running out of phone battery, George. I do not know how long my phone-light will last. And when it goes out, the wolves will come for us.

That may be just as well.

I don’t even want to look at my emails and phone messages. They’re all from Germany. And I know what they’re about.

And no, they’re not about you getting a pay-rise because you won yesterday. I told you before, there is no Special Spartan Rule S32.08.1in Dorna’s regulations. Carmelo punched me in the last kidney I have left when I brought him your big thick folder with all the Special Spartan Rules you had written, and told me to get out of his bedroom.

So no, you don’t get to decide when the race ends. I know the Moto2 race was shortened to six laps, but that was Race Direction’s call, not Passini’s.

I know you’re struggling with this, but the rider in the lead does not get to decide how many laps a race has. So as much as you like to think you won the Three-Lap Wet-Butter Sprint according to Special Spartan Rule S32.08.1, there were 19 more laps after those three which you didn’t win.

And they were dry, George. All 19 of them. They were not, as you keep yelling, “Parade Laps of Victory”. They were actually race laps.

And they were as dry as the ink on your Ducati contract, which is now, apparently in the hands of damp-handed German lawyers in Berlin, who are under instructions by Matthias to “Get us the bastard fuck out of this shit”.

So come down. I will spray you with chain-lube, if you like. It’s just like that Freixenet garbage. You won’t know the difference, I promise. Mario can even put on a Monster Girl outfit if you like and kiss you on the cheek. He likes to wear them anyway.

Look, just follow my light and try not to fall down the stairs. I’ll be down here on the track keeping an eye out for the wolves.

Scared and alone,

Gigi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 08, 2017, 10:48:30 am
I absolutely loved the race on the weekend..

At 1st I had my head in my hands wondering what MM was doing on a soft tyre.. when I saw him getting picked off I felt like a SA rugby supporter all over again.

I was hoping Zarco would do better but really happy with Crux.. good to see he is not falling off as much

I have to say, as a massive Repsol Honda supporter I have been leading the cries for Pedrosa to be replaced.. that being said 150 podium finishes.. that's something to be really proud of, good to see the lad up there and not sitting in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2017, 01:05:31 pm
Yamaha look at BRNO yesterday sporting new fairing:

(http://adn.gpupdate.net/news/310749.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ZK1 on August 08, 2017, 01:44:07 pm
Ah! Thanks The Bear, all I could see was the standard kit, and was trying very hard to see what the difference was :imaposer:

What are the rules regarding this now? As the winglets were banned....is it just because nothing is really sticking out of the bike?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on August 08, 2017, 02:53:17 pm
Those look like wings around the intake, but yes, much better looking than the thing they plakked onto the Duke
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2017, 03:14:39 pm
Ah! Thanks The Bear, all I could see was the standard kit, and was trying very hard to see what the difference was :imaposer:

What are the rules regarding this now? As the winglets were banned....is it just because nothing is really sticking out of the bike?

The idea is that they can use internal wings, so nothing sticking out like the winglets we saw last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: kfc4unme on August 08, 2017, 05:18:31 pm
I keep thinking tomorrow is Saturday and almost motogp time. Eish

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on August 13, 2017, 10:02:32 am
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Kawasefi on August 14, 2017, 09:52:54 pm
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?

Dunno, but I remember a time when Repsol Honda also had a 3 bike team. I think Dovi was part of it back then. Maybe it's just the cost that generally limits teams to 2 bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Losper on August 14, 2017, 10:19:56 pm
What do you guy's think happened to Petrucci at the start of the motogp race?
Perhaps forgot to switch his launch control on?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 14, 2017, 10:21:20 pm
What do you guy's think happened to Petrucci at the start of the motogp race?
Perhaps forgot to switch his launch control on?
He nearly flipped it. :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: kfc4unme on August 15, 2017, 02:09:34 am
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?
I think any team can have a wild card if approved?

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on August 15, 2017, 07:52:10 am
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?
I think any team can have a wild card if approved?

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I think so too.
Just a bit embarrassing when your wildcard out performs your regular team riders.....
(Yes I know Kallio is the testrider and has lots of experience...)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on August 17, 2017, 10:30:51 am
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?
I think any team can have a wild card if approved?

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I think so too.
Just a bit embarrassing when your wildcard out performs your regular team riders.....
(Yes I know Kallio is the testrider and has lots of experience...)

Only two bikes per team can score manufacturers points, so they need to nominate the two beforehand
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2017, 09:24:03 am
I see KTM entered 3 bikes how does that work?
I think any team can have a wild card if approved?

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I think so too.
Just a bit embarrassing when your wildcard out performs your regular team riders.....
(Yes I know Kallio is the testrider and has lots of experience...)

Only two bikes per team can score manufacturers points, so they need to nominate the two beforehand

Wild cards do not score points toward the team  and manufacturers championship..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on August 22, 2017, 09:56:44 am
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on August 22, 2017, 12:56:22 pm
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?
From the below information it will seem to me that a wild card can score points, if he is the highest placed rider for the team. Thus the first comment is BS!
Points

Riders and Constructors (manufacturers) compete for respective FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix titles. Teams compete for a MotoGP™ Team Championship, which is different to the Constructors Championship as there are multiple teams competing on machinery from the same manufacturer.

For riders, the points that count towards their World Championship total are those gained in each race. For Constructors, only the highest placed motorcycle of a given Constructor earns points, according to the position in the race.

Teams in the MotoGP™ class are in principle comprised of two riders. All points scored by both riders in the Team, including substitutes or replacements, count towards the Team Championship. In the case of a one rider Team, only the points scored by that rider count towards the Team Championship. Wild card riders do not score points for the Team Championship.

For each race, Championship points will be awarded on the following scale:

1st place   =   25 points
2nd place   =   20 points
3rd place   =   16 points
4th place   =   13 points
5th place   =   11 points
6th place   =   10 points
7th place   =   9 points
8th place   =   8 points
9th place   =   7 points
10th place   =   6 points
11th place   =   5 points
12th place   =   4 points
13th place   =   3 points
14th place   =   2 points
15th place   =   1 points
Results in all races will count for the Championship classification (this was not always the case historically).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on August 22, 2017, 01:00:04 pm
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?
From the below information it will seem to me that a wild card can score points, if he is the highest placed rider for the team. Thus the first comment is BS!
Points

Riders and Constructors (manufacturers) compete for respective FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix titles. Teams compete for a MotoGP™ Team Championship, which is different to the Constructors Championship as there are multiple teams competing on machinery from the same manufacturer.

For riders, the points that count towards their World Championship total are those gained in each race. For Constructors, only the highest placed motorcycle of a given Constructor earns points, according to the position in the race.

Teams in the MotoGP™ class are in principle comprised of two riders. All points scored by both riders in the Team, including substitutes or replacements, count towards the Team Championship.In the case of a one rider Team, only the points scored by that rider count towards the Team Championship. Wild card riders do not score points for the Team Championship.

For each race, Championship points will be awarded on the following scale:

1st place   =   25 points
2nd place   =   20 points
3rd place   =   16 points
4th place   =   13 points
5th place   =   11 points
6th place   =   10 points
7th place   =   9 points
8th place   =   8 points
9th place   =   7 points
10th place   =   6 points
11th place   =   5 points
12th place   =   4 points
13th place   =   3 points
14th place   =   2 points
15th place   =   1 points
Results in all races will count for the Championship classification (this was not always the case historically).

Cocky, lees en presteer sommer in jou eie post.... :lamer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on August 22, 2017, 01:03:58 pm
The question is actually, when is a rider a wild card?
A team can consist of many bikes but the maximum of two can count for the team title
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on August 22, 2017, 01:26:36 pm
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?
From the below information it will seem to me that a wild card can score points, if he is the highest placed rider for the team. Thus the first comment is BS!
Points

Riders and Constructors (manufacturers) compete for respective FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix titles. Teams compete for a MotoGP™ Team Championship, which is different to the Constructors Championship as there are multiple teams competing on machinery from the same manufacturer.

For riders, the points that count towards their World Championship total are those gained in each race. For Constructors, only the highest placed motorcycle of a given Constructor earns points, according to the position in the race.

Teams in the MotoGP™ class are in principle comprised of two riders. All points scored by both riders in the Team, including substitutes or replacements, count towards the Team Championship.In the case of a one rider Team, only the points scored by that rider count towards the Team Championship. Wild card riders do not score points for the Team Championship.

For each race, Championship points will be awarded on the following scale:

1st place   =   25 points
2nd place   =   20 points
3rd place   =   16 points
4th place   =   13 points
5th place   =   11 points
6th place   =   10 points
7th place   =   9 points
8th place   =   8 points
9th place   =   7 points
10th place   =   6 points
11th place   =   5 points
12th place   =   4 points
13th place   =   3 points
14th place   =   2 points
15th place   =   1 points
Results in all races will count for the Championship classification (this was not always the case historically).

Cocky, lees en presteer sommer in jou eie post.... :lamer:
Luister PIEL, ek se a WC kan punte kry, maar nie vir die span nie
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on August 22, 2017, 01:38:52 pm
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?
From the below information it will seem to me that a wild card can score points, if he is the highest placed rider for the team. Thus the first comment is BS!
Points

Riders and Constructors (manufacturers) compete for respective FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix titles. Teams compete for a MotoGP™ Team Championship, which is different to the Constructors Championship as there are multiple teams competing on machinery from the same manufacturer.

For riders, the points that count towards their World Championship total are those gained in each race. For Constructors, only the highest placed motorcycle of a given Constructor earns points, according to the position in the race.

Teams in the MotoGP™ class are in principle comprised of two riders. All points scored by both riders in the Team, including substitutes or replacements, count towards the Team Championship.In the case of a one rider Team, only the points scored by that rider count towards the Team Championship. Wild card riders do not score points for the Team Championship.

For each race, Championship points will be awarded on the following scale:

1st place   =   25 points
2nd place   =   20 points
3rd place   =   16 points
4th place   =   13 points
5th place   =   11 points
6th place   =   10 points
7th place   =   9 points
8th place   =   8 points
9th place   =   7 points
10th place   =   6 points
11th place   =   5 points
12th place   =   4 points
13th place   =   3 points
14th place   =   2 points
15th place   =   1 points
Results in all races will count for the Championship classification (this was not always the case historically).

Cocky, lees en presteer sommer in jou eie post.... :lamer:
Luister PIEL, ek se a WC kan punte kry, maar nie vir die span nie

Klim van jou mishoop af!
Die vraag was vir die span en so ook die antwoord. So jou BS comment is BS.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2017, 02:29:17 pm
What are you saying? that a wildcard cannot be nominated as one of the two bikes for scoring team points?

Nah.  Not me saying so.  I read that on MotoGP website awhile ago.  Basically says so in Cocky's post as well, i.e. a wildcard rider cannot score points for the team. 


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on August 22, 2017, 04:08:39 pm
Was just trying to understand what you were saying

So when does the eligible rider to score for the team gets announced?

You use to be able to take the wild card, i.e. third bike and nominate him as point scoring member, effectively making the regulated team member "wild card"
The same rule applies to WRC and more often used in WRC
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2017, 04:39:38 pm
Was just trying to understand what you were saying

So when does the eligible rider to score for the team gets announced?

You use to be able to take the wild card, i.e. third bike and nominate him as point scoring member, effectively making the regulated team member "wild card"
The same rule applies to WRC and more often used in WRC

My understanding is that in MotoGP, only the two official riders, contracted to ride for the team can score for the team.  The exception is when such a team rider cannot ride and he is officially substituted by another rider.  That substitute rider can then score for the team.  A wildcard rider is not a substitute rider, nor part of the team, although the team may well have supplied the bike and support, so he cannot score for the team.  As far as I am aware, the nomination is not allowed in MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on September 01, 2017, 01:47:31 am
Rossi suffers double leg fracture in training accident.

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/01-09-2017-vr46-medical-update-01-09-17-00-10
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SteveD on September 01, 2017, 02:54:35 am
Rossi suffers double leg fracture in training accident.

Ag no. 2SD set a bad example, no need for the Doctor to follow it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on September 01, 2017, 06:10:52 am
First 2SD, now VR46 - seems these yamahas are lewensgevaarlik.. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on September 01, 2017, 07:18:49 am
First 2SD, now VR46 - seems these yamahas are lewensgevaarlik.. :biggrin:
:imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Buff on September 01, 2017, 08:51:07 am
This is terrible bloody news, there goes any chance of the championship up in smoke, like a Honda motor  :( :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on September 01, 2017, 08:57:17 am
Wonder who will substitute for him, if any?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 01, 2017, 10:37:48 am
Wonder who will substitute for him, if any?

Yamaha usually prefer to use their factory test riders as substitues.  In 2010 it was Wataru Yoshikawa, but I doubt he still races.  The other test rider, Katsuyuki Nakasuga dud ride as a wild card last year at Motegi.  Maybe him? 

It would be interesting to see who will substitute.  Will Yamaha go for a test rider, or possibly a younger possibility that they are eyeing for the future?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 01, 2017, 10:39:24 am
First 2SD, now VR46 - seems these yamahas are lewensgevaarlik.. :biggrin:

Don't know about that!

Brad Binder ..... KTM!
Darryn Binder .... KTM!
2SD .... Husqvarna .... KTM !

Yamaha is not guilty, I tell you!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on September 01, 2017, 10:45:37 am
This is terrible bloody news, there goes any chance of the championship up in smoke, like a Honda motor  :( :'(

Hope it is not his kicking leg - Bus
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on September 01, 2017, 11:08:36 am
Hope it is not his kicking leg - Bus

Hehehe, that's funny.

Nope, kicking leg OK (right leg, same one he broke in 2010).

I forecast in 2010 that he will never win a MotoGP championship again - i may have been right.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on September 01, 2017, 11:10:40 am
This is terrible bloody news, there goes any chance of the championship up in smoke, like a Honda motor  :( :'(

Hope it is not his kicking leg - Bus

Leave me out of this, you evil Rossi-hater puta!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on September 01, 2017, 11:18:47 am
First 2SD, now VR46 - seems these yamahas are lewensgevaarlik.. :biggrin:

Don't know about that!

Brad Binder ..... KTM!
Darryn Binder .... KTM!
2SD .... Husqvarna .... KTM !

Yamaha is not guilty, I tell you!

I thought 2SD's got injured on a bike?  Was he attacked by a dog?   Lewensgevaarlik - KTMs, Yamis en honde
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 01, 2017, 11:21:55 am
 enduro incident

So hy het weer rondgemors op sy MX track op sy plaas. Nie die eerste keer dat hy daar seerkry.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on September 01, 2017, 11:23:46 am
Is this why they call him "The Doctor" ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 01, 2017, 11:30:36 am
Surgery was successful.  Internal fixtures only which is good news as the healing time is much shorter than the external fixtures. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on September 01, 2017, 01:03:38 pm
Didn't he race on crutches before?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on September 01, 2017, 01:19:52 pm
Didn't he race on crutches before?

Honda, Ducati etc, currently Yamaha though
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on September 01, 2017, 02:28:10 pm
Aag fokkof man jy weet wt ek bedoel :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on September 01, 2017, 03:12:26 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 01, 2017, 03:17:02 pm
Didn't he race on crutches before?

He did.  After he broke his leg at Mugelo in 2010.  Had special boot made to fit the swollen leg.

The Dr. who did the repair reckons 30 - 40 days off the bike.  That means Misano and Aragon is out and 40 days will be up, 1 day before Motegi.  So, definitely 2 races missed, possibly even 3.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on September 02, 2017, 08:25:25 am
Wonder who will substitute for him, if any?

Yamaha usually prefer to use their factory test riders as substitues.  In 2010 it was Wataru Yoshikawa, but I doubt he still races.  The other test rider, Katsuyuki Nakasuga dud ride as a wild card last year at Motegi.  Maybe him? 

It would be interesting to see who will substitute.  Will Yamaha go for a test rider, or possibly a younger possibility that they are eyeing for the future?

Rumor has it that Jorge Lorenzo has offered Yamaha $1000,000 to let him ride the M1 while Rossi is out.  As he put it in his press release: "I owe Yamaha a lot and can help them win the manufacturer's championship".  Apparently Gigi is encouraging the Ducati bosses to let him go, telling them: "We are struggling to get to the source of this whining noise and believe Jorge being out of the garage for a few weeks will help".
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: DirtRebell on September 02, 2017, 09:21:10 am
Wonder who will substitute for him, if any?

Yamaha usually prefer to use their factory test riders as substitues.  In 2010 it was Wataru Yoshikawa, but I doubt he still races.  The other test rider, Katsuyuki Nakasuga dud ride as a wild card last year at Motegi.  Maybe him? 

It would be interesting to see who will substitute.  Will Yamaha go for a test rider, or possibly a younger possibility that they are eyeing for the future?

Rumor has it that Jorge Lorenzo has offered Yamaha $1000,000 to let him ride the M1 while Rossi is out.  As he put it in his press release: "I owe Yamaha a lot and can help them win the manufacturer's championship".  Apparently Gigi is encouraging the Ducati bosses to let him go, telling them: "We are struggling to get to the source of this whining noise and believe Jorge being out of the garage for a few weeks will help".

:laughing4:


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 04, 2017, 09:58:35 am
Wonder who will substitute for him, if any?

Yamaha usually prefer to use their factory test riders as substitues.  In 2010 it was Wataru Yoshikawa, but I doubt he still races.  The other test rider, Katsuyuki Nakasuga dud ride as a wild card last year at Motegi.  Maybe him? 

It would be interesting to see who will substitute.  Will Yamaha go for a test rider, or possibly a younger possibility that they are eyeing for the future?

Rumor has it that Jorge Lorenzo has offered Yamaha $1000,000 to let him ride the M1 while Rossi is out.  As he put it in his press release: "I owe Yamaha a lot and can help them win the manufacturer's championship".  Apparently Gigi is encouraging the Ducati bosses to let him go, telling them: "We are struggling to get to the source of this whining noise and believe Jorge being out of the garage for a few weeks will help".

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JesseH on September 04, 2017, 09:42:53 pm
So this Rossi news actually literally broke my fragile heart! Get this:

Wife choons lets go on holiday to Europe this year so we start planning early on and make dates more or less, organise leave plan life etc etc. so i tell her lets go to Spain in September. Lekker plan! There happens to be a certain Motorland Aragon race on at the time we going (she knows its a bucket list thing for me to go watch a MotoGP live and ESPECIALLY to see the Doctor.)

So long story short, we're going to Aragon in less than 3 weeks time. Might not get to see The Doctor, who I have been following since I was a pik. But I guess I can't complain too much, eh? I swear, even if Rossi just does 2 laps and calls it quits that'll be enough for me!

Ja...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: peter stuyvesant on September 04, 2017, 10:27:43 pm
Don't feel bad. I'm going to Misano this weekend. Rossi in his home gp was on my wifes bucket list, even got tickets on the fan club stand.. :patch:
What the fuck, will support Dovi now, but i get the feeling the vibe won't be the same.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JesseH on September 05, 2017, 07:49:19 am
I hear you! We were planning Misano, I've always wanted to go to Italy and jeezum, to go check Rossi at his home track! That would've been the ultimate. But time with leave didnt work out that way so we're going to Spain. Holding thumbs that the old boy feels good enough to ride a bit.

Sorry you're missing this one!

On a side note, tell me about the VR46 Fanclub stands? Where? How? How much?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2017, 09:09:04 am
Yamaha confirmed they will not use a substitute rider for Rossi at Misano this weekend, so only one Movistar Yamaha on track.

Carl Crutchlow almost lobbed his finger off with a knife and may well also be out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on September 05, 2017, 12:47:33 pm
Don't feel bad. I'm going to Misano this weekend. Rossi in his home gp was on my wifes bucket list, even got tickets on the fan club stand.. :patch:
What the fuck, will support Dovi now, but i get the feeling the vibe won't be the same.

Whaaaaat !!!

That's just shit luck.. sorry to hear.

( Can you pick me up a 93 cap while you there )
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2017, 04:37:44 pm
( Can you pick me up a 93 cap while you there )

You Sir, are off my Christmas Card list!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 11, 2017, 12:33:12 pm
Official:  Michael van der Mark will substitute for VR46 at Aragon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: peter stuyvesant on September 11, 2017, 09:36:53 pm
.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 12, 2017, 05:24:34 pm
What a performance by Marc Marques in the last race!

I felt sorry for the very emotional Petrucci, who saw MM snatch home-glory away in the last halve of the last lap.

Commentator's quote on MM; "In a situation like this, the championship standings will only occupy 3% of Marc's thinking" :imaposer: He is a real racer.

Rossi broke his leg flat-tracking WR450's on his ranch.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 13, 2017, 09:30:34 am
What a performance by Marc Marques in the last race!

Interesting tidbit about MM93 and the race Sunday.  He used carbon discs.  This was the first time ever that carbon discs were used during a wet race, instead of steel.  Brembo say they researched and worked for years to make a carbon disc tat also worked in the rain.  MM was the first to try in race conditions.

I worry for MM.  He is falling too frequently.  He has been lucky so far, but each and every fall carries a lot of risk.  Ask Darryn Binder, Brad Binder, Alex Marquez, Rossi, et al.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on September 13, 2017, 10:26:17 am
Besides saving the unsave-able I think MM93 has falling down to a fine art as well, just look how he times his jump up at the end of a slide. That guy has reflexes of a cat and is on his way to rewrite the record books. Die klein blixem het vir Rossi sy 10de championship deny in 2015, want hy wil eerste wees.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on September 13, 2017, 10:28:53 am
Rossi het homself genaai in 2015  ;)

En 2017  :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Sheepman on September 13, 2017, 10:35:44 am
I am no 93 fan...but give it to the little ou..he can ride, albeit a bit all over when the mist gets red :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 13, 2017, 12:13:24 pm
Besides saving the unsave-able I think MM93 has falling down to a fine art as well, just look how he times his jump up at the end of a slide. That guy has reflexes of a cat and is on his way to rewrite the record books.

True, but every fall still carries the risk of a serious injury.  In his case, it may just be a matter of time.  I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Solo on September 13, 2017, 12:52:40 pm
Rossi broke his leg flat-tracking WR450's on his ranch.

Huh? Downhills & rocks on a flat track?


“I went for an enduro ride with my friends and the other Academy riders. It's a ride I've been doing since I was 18… it's something I've done 200 times. We were almost at the end, on quite a steep downhill. We were going slow, in second gear, but there was a rocky step."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/881948/1/rossi-there-was-a-jolt-and-my-leg-broke
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 13, 2017, 01:08:12 pm
Rossi broke his leg flat-tracking WR450's on his ranch.

Huh? Downhills & rocks on a flat track?


“I went for an enduro ride with my friends and the other Academy riders. It's a ride I've been doing since I was 18… it's something I've done 200 times. We were almost at the end, on quite a steep downhill. We were going slow, in second gear, but there was a rocky step."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/881948/1/rossi-there-was-a-jolt-and-my-leg-broke

Jip.  Enduro riding, not on the flat track at the time.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 19, 2017, 01:47:25 pm
Rossi did some laps on a R1 on Misano yesterday to check how his leg handles the rigors.  Unfortunately it started raining so he could only do four laps.  Seems he is keen (<--- English for befok innie kop) to race at Aragon this coming weekend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 19, 2017, 07:16:24 pm
Rossi broke his leg flat-tracking WR450's on his ranch.

Huh? Downhills & rocks on a flat track?


“I went for an enduro ride with my friends and the other Academy riders. It's a ride I've been doing since I was 18… it's something I've done 200 times. We were almost at the end, on quite a steep downhill. We were going slow, in second gear, but there was a rocky step."

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/881948/1/rossi-there-was-a-jolt-and-my-leg-broke

Vale would not lie to me, but I was sure he said he was out flattracking on the phone to me. :thumleft:
Sorry, my mistake, I must listen more carefully.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Riaande on September 19, 2017, 08:58:49 pm
MM broke his right fibula in Feb 2014 also training out on his dirt bike. At least he had time to recover before the season opening race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: SteveD on September 20, 2017, 03:00:51 am
Seems he is keen (<--- English for befok innie kop)

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
I think he's nuts.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Riaande on September 20, 2017, 03:17:19 pm
From MotoGP website, quote
"At the end I decided I will leave for Aragón and will try to ride my M1 this weekend. If I will be declared fit to ride, I'll have the real answer after FP1, because riding the M1 will be a much bigger challenge. We'll see. See you in Aragon!"

The old dog wants to ride.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Alan on September 26, 2017, 10:13:54 am
Great weekend's racing. Darryn back on his bike at worldwideracing, although he struggled.

Brad on the KTM! UNBELIEVABLE. His teammate Oliviera started in POLE, Brad started 20th! Oliviera finished 4th, Brad finished 5th!!!  :ricky: :thumleft:
He's starting to manage that back tyre so much better now, and has soo much extra grip in the last stages of the races.. If he can only get his qualifying right and nail a few top ten's, we'll be seeing him on the podium shortly.

Also had Steve Odendaal on a ride this weekend, and he was quick in practice, but wasnt top 20 during the race.

As for Vale, what a man! 23 days after he snaps his femur, and he manages a good 5th. Awesome damage limitation for him. I think his championship dream is done, but he's still rapid enough to be there with the laaties.

All in all, a great weekend's racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on September 26, 2017, 10:27:23 am
Great racing indeed.

Marquez forced a win out of a bike that didnt have the best setup.

He really is something special.

Pity Dovizioso fell back so much.

Im also glad Lorenzo made the Ducati work for him.

And in the first half of the race having a train of ten bikes from 5th! That was cool to see.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 26, 2017, 10:53:24 am
Darryn Binder clearly struggled.  From 32nd to 21st in a lap or two, but then he lost pace till the end of the race.

Brad Binder was amazing.  He is struggling to qualify, but have great race pace.  If he sorts the qualification issues he will be a regular on the podium.

Steven Odendaal started 25th and finished 25th.  Not bad for a wildcard rider.  The excellent news is he signed a contract to be in the Moto2 World Championship in 2018.

Marc Marquez is just incredible.  He just crashes too frequently and each crash holds serious risk of injury, but that is how he is and I sincerely hope he doesn't ruin his career with a terrible crash someday.

Valentino Rossi.  What can one say? 

The rest:  All in all gave a good race.  Pity Yamaha is struggling with grip or Maverick Vinales may have caused bigger headaches for Marquez.





Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on September 26, 2017, 11:44:33 am
Awesome racing this weekend throughout.

I was though getting a little bit irritated with the coverage during the Moto2 race, although I grudgingly understand it.

But we have Brad Binder making 15 and more passes to get from 20th to 5th, yet the producer, director or whatever he called focuses only on Spanish riders, even if they are just circulating outside the top 10.

I could see the position board changing and even the commentators were talking about his climb up the ranks, but no visual footage whatsoever, a few glimpses right near the end.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on September 26, 2017, 01:14:29 pm
Hats off to JL99, best performance on the weekend
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on September 27, 2017, 08:26:15 am
I'm repeating myself here, but damn it is exciting to see Brad rear wheel steering and two wheel drifting that bike. He is getting comfortable, which is awesome. In all honesty, he is exceeding the expectations I had pre season, now that he is healthier.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 27, 2017, 09:10:08 am
I'm repeating myself here, but damn it is exciting to see Brad rear wheel steering and two wheel drifting that bike. He is getting comfortable, which is awesome. In all honesty, he is exceeding the expectations I had pre season, now that he is healthier.

A subject well worth repeating yourself on.   :thumleft:

I must say, after his arm injury, I was hoping for a season consistently in the points and with luck one or two top 10's.  He consistently exceeds my expectation.

I was though getting a little bit irritated with the coverage during the Moto2 race, although I grudgingly understand it.

But we have Brad Binder making 15 and more passes to get from 20th to 5th, yet the producer, director or whatever he called focuses only on Spanish riders, even if they are just circulating outside the top 10.

I could see the position board changing and even the commentators were talking about his climb up the ranks, but no visual footage whatsoever, a few glimpses right near the end.

Janee!  When he was catching Luthi, I found myself trying to see around a corner on a TV.  I can confirm, it can't done.   :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on September 27, 2017, 09:32:58 am

Janee!  When he was catching Luthi, I found myself trying to see around a corner on a TV.  I can confirm, it can't done.   :-\

You silly man, you should invest in one of those new curved LED TV's.

you're welcome...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on September 27, 2017, 10:30:52 am

Janee!  When he was catching Luthi, I found myself trying to see around a corner on a TV.  I can confirm, it can't done.   :-\

You silly man, you should invest in one of those new curved LED TV's.

you're welcome...

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on October 15, 2017, 08:50:56 am
Wow what an exciting last 2 laps
Go Dovi!!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Pistonpete on October 15, 2017, 09:21:25 am
KTM need new riders  >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 15, 2017, 09:48:20 am
Yamaha need new bikes. :-[

800cc V-4 2Strokes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on October 16, 2017, 06:23:38 am
KTM need new riders  >:(

Resigning Bradley Smith seems a mystery to me, especially when they have Nika Kalio waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 16, 2017, 08:47:31 am
Brad, after yet another disastrous qualification fought his way from 24th on the grid to challenging Luthi for 10th/11th before he crashed.  Pity about the crash.  It looked like the dice with Luthi could become a good one.

Darryn, started 25th on the grid.  Also not a good day qualifying.  He finished 20th.  A good sign as he seems to finishing more races, rather than falling off, this season.

Yamaha need new bikes. :-[

800cc V-4 2Strokes.

Indeed!  Perhaps steal a pair of Hondas and paint them blue.  :-(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Odd Dog on October 16, 2017, 03:56:26 pm
Wow what an exciting last 2 laps
Go Dovi!!!!!

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 16, 2017, 04:16:11 pm
That was probablt the best wet weather racing I have ever seen, I really thought MM was going to loose it, you can see he was on the limit.

Did you see that Ducati bouncing around off line.. WOW, some serious riding skill by Dovi
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Pistonpete on October 16, 2017, 04:22:05 pm
KTM need new riders  >:(

Resigning Bradley Smith seems a mystery to me, especially when they have Nika Kalio waiting in the wings.
I read he has a warning or two to shape up....let's see
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: RobC on October 16, 2017, 04:26:19 pm
What impressed me is how the rubber was like a blotter... every bike left a very dry track, impressive tech. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 20, 2017, 12:30:49 pm
Aussie GP:

Darryn Binder:  FP1 - p21, FP2 - p14
Brad Binder:  FP1 - 16, FP2 - p12.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: cocky on October 20, 2017, 01:26:56 pm
Aussie GP:

Darryn Binder:  FP1 - p21, FP2 - p14
Brad Binder:  FP1 - 16, FP2 - p12.
1. Takaaki Nakagami JPN IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 33.310s
2. Dominique Aegerter SWI Kiefer Racing (Suter) 1m 34.020s
3. Francesco Bagnaia ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 34.217s
4. Alex Marquez SPA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 34.220s
5. Fabio Quartararo FRA Pons HP40 (Kalex) 1m 34.236s
6. Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 34.335s
7. Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 34.336s
8. Andrea Locatelli ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 34.539s
9. Jesko Raffin SWI Garage Plus Interwetten (Kalex) 1m 34.607s
10. Sandro Cortese GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Suter) 1m 34.612s
11. Thomas Luthi SWI CarXpert Interwetten (Kalex) 1m 34.629s
12. Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 34.638s
13. Mattia Pasini ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 34.667s
14. Xavi Vierge SPA Tech 3 Racing (Tech 3) 1m 34.671s
15. Axel Pons SPA RW Racing GP (Kalex) 1m 34.720s
16. Augusto Fernandez SPA Speed Up Racing (Speed Up) 1m 34.794s
17. Xavier Simeon BEL Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 34.879s
18. Lorenzo Baldassarri ITA Forward Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 34.882s
19. Remy Gardner AUS Tech 3 Racing (Tech 3) 1m 34.959s
20. Hafizh Syahrin MAL Petronas Raceline Malaysia (Kalex) 1m 35.065s
21. Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Suter) 1m 35.261s
22. Tetsuta Nagashima JPN Teluru SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 35.426s
23. Tarran Mackenzie GBR Kiefer Racing (Suter) 1m 35.718s
24. Jorge Navarro SPA Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 35.733s
25. Stefano Manzi ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 35.774s
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 20, 2017, 04:07:15 pm
not going to lie.. im excited for this weekends racing.. go MM  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 21, 2017, 09:32:13 am
Brad Binder 4th in qualy.

Not lets see what he does, should be epic.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on October 22, 2017, 08:03:22 am
What a race!!! #1 and 2 with rubber marks on their leathers and they seem to enjoy that!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on October 22, 2017, 08:27:41 am
Last time i enjoyed MGP this much was in the Gardner/Lawson/etc era.  Spectacular racing - real slog at the top.  Well done Honda, well done MM93

Fantastic effort for Brad Binder.  This kid can ride :thumleft:

More more more please
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 23, 2017, 05:52:04 am
Loved watching Brad battle with the World Champion Elect and win.  Well done Bradical!


What a race!!! #1 and 2 with rubber marks on their leathers and they seem to enjoy that!!!

Super exciting!  All riders happy and slapping each other's backs.  Till one crashes, or lose out on a podium because of the "rubbing is racing", then all hell breaks loose again.  Pity.  This type of racing is what makes it the most exciting sport on earth.  I like!  Nice to see the young superhero, the old GOAT and the rookies battling wheel to wheel like that. 

Zarco later said, now he understands why guys like VR and MM are called aliens.  He couldn't believe that they can ride at those speeds, bash fairing and still find time to think and strategise.  He was 100% sure he had VR in the last corner for 2nd.  Changed his line to beat VR on the run to the finish and found himself 4th.  Not only did VR sell him a dummy, MV used VR for a slipstream and screamed past. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Sheepman on October 23, 2017, 07:10:41 am
Loved watching Brad battle with the World Champion Elect and win.  Well done Bradical!


What a race!!! #1 and 2 with rubber marks on their leathers and they seem to enjoy that!!!

Super exciting!  All riders happy and slapping each other's backs.  Till one crashes, or lose out on a podium because of the "rubbing is racing", then all hell breaks loose again.  Pity.  This type of racing is what makes it the most exciting sport on earth.  I like!  Nice to see the young superhero, the old GOAT and the rookies battling wheel to wheel like that. 

Zarco later said, now he understands why guys like VR and MM are called aliens.  He couldn't believe that they can ride at those speeds, bash fairing and still find time to think and strategise.  He was 100% sure he had VR in the last corner for 2nd.  Changed his line to beat VR on the run to the finish and found himself 4th.  Not only did VR sell him a dummy, MV used VR for a slipstream and screamed past.

Truly what bike racing is all about - much more than the quickest machine, quickest reflections and best skills.....mostly all of those plus physical and mental tenacity and above all, a battle plan ( and a small dose of luck )
- just brilliant  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: RobC on October 23, 2017, 12:38:17 pm
What a race!!! #1 and 2 with rubber marks on their leathers and they seem to enjoy that!!!
Commentators called them "love bites"... :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Ventana on October 23, 2017, 01:07:33 pm
Another awesome weekends racing.  BIG thumbs up to Brad...loved the commentator saying "Binder = Dark horse for 2018".....hopefully he's over the qualifying challenges.....  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 23, 2017, 02:37:48 pm
Another awesome weekends racing.  BIG thumbs up to Brad...loved the commentator saying "Binder = Dark horse for 2018".....hopefully he's over the qualifying challenges.....  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

With luck it is resolved.  For some reason, his bike did not like a new qualifying tyre. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 23, 2017, 05:22:12 pm
I cant tell you when last I enjoyed GP so much, there is seriously nothing to complain about.. the competition has been fantastic with okes like Dov and Zarco really showing what they can ride like, Crux was up there this last race for a long time and the Yamaha okes are pinning it. Its no secret im a Repsol Honda fan and im chuffed as hell to have him with a bit of a gap now.. but its anyones game.. one DNF changes things when its this close.

I just with Honda would kick Pedrosa out on his pip, im over him being halfway down the field most races .. I also cant see Lorenzo lasting too long, how embarrassing having Dovi come up , pass him and leave him in his dust.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 23, 2017, 08:36:44 pm
I would have called this one of the great races if Ianone, Rossi, Vinhales and MM actually diced till the end.

Instead the Honda just pulled away in the last 2 laps, leaving the stragglers to dice.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on October 24, 2017, 08:04:57 am
I cant tell you when last I enjoyed GP so much, there is seriously nothing to complain about..

Yeah, especially given the trumped up antics F1 is trying, to generate some excitement.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on October 25, 2017, 01:01:37 pm
I can't believe I missed, what appears to have been, one of the best races in a long time, and Bradical's performance  :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: JonW on October 25, 2017, 01:06:42 pm
I can't believe I missed, what appears to have been, one of the best races in a long time, and Bradical's performance  :-[

Let's just say it was well worth the effort getting up at 05h00  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on October 25, 2017, 02:36:49 pm
I can't believe I missed, what appears to have been, one of the best races in a long time, and Bradical's performance  :-[

Let's just say it was well worth the effort getting up at 05h00  :thumleft:

I enjoined racing in the Lawson/Gardner/rainey/swantz/etc era ---- then got bored until a few years ago.

This was up there with the best I have ever seen --- even THE best
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on October 25, 2017, 03:32:43 pm
I can't believe I missed, what appears to have been, one of the best races in a long time, and Bradical's performance  :-[

Let's just say it was well worth the effort getting up at 05h00  :thumleft:

I enjoined racing in the Lawson/Gardner/rainey/swantz/etc era ---- then got bored until a few years ago.

This was up there with the best I have ever seen --- even THE best
You guys are just making me feel worse  :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 26, 2017, 10:32:55 am
I can't believe I missed, what appears to have been, one of the best races in a long time, and Bradical's performance  :-[

Ja!  Walalla Wasalla!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 27, 2017, 10:47:34 am
Malysia MotoGP:

Darryn Binder:  FP1 p20, FP2 p23
Brad Binder:  FP 1 p20, FP2 p14

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on October 27, 2017, 11:00:44 am
Whats up with Darryn these days? Is his injury still bugging him? Ramirez also seems a bit up and down, is it the bike or what?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 27, 2017, 12:16:42 pm
Whats up with Darryn these days? Is his injury still bugging him? Ramirez also seems a bit up and down, is it the bike or what?

I don't know what the issue is.  The team did pretty well during the first half of the season, but now seems like "also rans" again.  Maybe they are out of money?  As far as I know Darryn's hand is fine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Pistonpete on October 28, 2017, 09:26:27 pm
1   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   322.9   1'59.212   
2   5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   320.2   1'59.229   0.017 / 0.017
3   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   324.2   1'59.236   0.024 / 0.007
4   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   318.3   1'59.498   0.286 / 0.262
5   25   Maverick VIÑALES   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   322.1   1'59.538   0.326 / 0.040
6   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Ducati Team   Ducati   322.0   1'59.622   0.410 / 0.084
7   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   320.9   1'59.694   0.482 / 0.072
8   42   Alex RINS   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   316.8   1'59.992   0.780 / 0.298
9   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   315.9   2'00.119   0.907 / 0.127
10   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   LCR Honda   Honda   318.6   2'00.181   0.969 / 0.062
11   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   EG 0,0 Marc VDS   Honda   319.6   2'00.326   1.114 / 0.145
12   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   319.0   2'00.770   1.558 / 0.444
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on October 29, 2017, 06:44:08 pm
Whats up with Darryn these days? Is his injury still bugging him? Ramirez also seems a bit up and down, is it the bike or what?

I don't know what the issue is.  The team did pretty well during the first half of the season, but now seems like "also rans" again.  Maybe they are out of money?  As far as I know Darryn's hand is fine.
Everything is fine, can't get better for these two Ktm's
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 30, 2017, 10:10:17 am
Brad Binder rode brilliantly on his Honda KTM yesterday, and hopefully this is setting the stage for him for next year.

Dovidioso also did extremely well to stay in the points chase. Now it's last race stories.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 30, 2017, 11:38:41 am
SJoe!  Daai fabriek Yamahas was alweer hondkak!  Ek is seker ek kan 'n vinniger bike uit stukke ou F650GS en RD350LC parte bou, in my garage, sonder power tools .....   :patch:



Whats up with Darryn these days? Is his injury still bugging him? Ramirez also seems a bit up and down, is it the bike or what?

I don't know what the issue is.  The team did pretty well during the first half of the season, but now seems like "also rans" again.  Maybe they are out of money?  As far as I know Darryn's hand is fine.
Everything is fine, can't get better for these two Ktm's

I think you are confusing Darryn with Brad and Moto 3 with Moto 2.

Yes, the KTM team in Moto2 is doing excellent.  In Moto3, however, the KTM's are nowhere, factory team or otherwise..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 30, 2017, 04:05:25 pm
Wat was die uitslag? Ek het die race gemis en kry nie n rerun te sien.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Offshore on October 30, 2017, 04:19:29 pm
I think you are confusing Darryn with Brad and Moto 3 with Moto 2.
I read the Question wrong, Pardon me. I watched the Moto 2 Race, no confusion. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on October 31, 2017, 07:28:58 am
Wat was die uitslag? Ek het die race gemis en kry nie n rerun te sien.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/  All the results are here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 31, 2017, 09:41:22 am
I think you are confusing Darryn with Brad and Moto 3 with Moto 2.
I read the Question wrong, Pardon me. I watched the Moto 2 Race, no confusion. :thumleft:

 :thumleft:

I love how those KTM's are creating havoc this year already.  Two brand new bikes, two riders (one with a year's experience and one with none), one rider who missed three races during the season, raced one race with a broken arm and one with stitches still in his other arm after an arm pump operation and the are 3rd and 9th in the world championship.  Aki Ajo, at the start of the season said he would be happy with 1 rider finishing top 10!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on October 31, 2017, 10:13:57 am

I love how those KTM's are creating havoc this year already.  Two brand new bikes, two riders (one with a year's experience and one with none), one rider who missed three races during the season, raced one race with a broken arm and one with stitches still in his other arm after an arm pump operation and the are 3rd and 9th in the world championship.  Aki Ajo, at the start of the season said he would be happy with 1 rider finishing top 10!

Is my understanding correct, they will be fielding a 3 bike team in Moto2 for 2018 by adding Sam Lowes?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on October 31, 2017, 11:54:22 am

I love how those KTM's are creating havoc this year already.  Two brand new bikes, two riders (one with a year's experience and one with none), one rider who missed three races during the season, raced one race with a broken arm and one with stitches still in his other arm after an arm pump operation and the are 3rd and 9th in the world championship.  Aki Ajo, at the start of the season said he would be happy with 1 rider finishing top 10!

Is my understanding correct, they will be fielding a 3 bike team in Moto2 for 2018 by adding Sam Lowes?

Not quite correct.  Sam Lowes is going to replace Tom Luthi at the Interwetten Team.  It seems that the Interwetten Team will field three bikes from 2018 onward and change from Kalex to KTM's for 2018 onward.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on October 31, 2017, 11:59:34 am
Aaah... :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2017, 05:10:35 pm
I think you are confusing Darryn with Brad and Moto 3 with Moto 2.
I read the Question wrong, Pardon me. I watched the Moto 2 Race, no confusion. :thumleft:

 :thumleft:

I love how those KTM's are creating havoc this year already.  Two brand new bikes, two riders (one with a year's experience and one with none), one rider who missed three races during the season, raced one race with a broken arm and one with stitches still in his other arm after an arm pump operation and the are 3rd and 9th in the world championship.  Aki Ajo, at the start of the season said he would be happy with 1 rider finishing top 10!

They're creating havoc with Honda engines! :peepwall: :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on October 31, 2017, 05:58:58 pm
I have a question for you experts.  You all know about the misery of the Marquez Rossi issue in 2015.  Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what should Rossi do?  Act like a grown up or pull endless passes on Marquez from the first free practice until the end of the race?  Dovi is Rossi's mate and he is Italian.  On top of that Lorenzo is not on both counts.  And maybe Mr R would actually like it if Dovi wins the championship in the year that Lorenzo struggled like mad.

The floor is open......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on October 31, 2017, 06:37:20 pm
You are seeing things. Just like back in 2015

Rossi is the only one to blame for that fuckup
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2017, 08:06:52 pm
I have a question for you experts.  You all know about the misery of the Marquez Rossi issue in 2015.  Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what should Rossi do?  Act like a grown up or pull endless passes on Marquez from the first free practice until the end of the race?  Dovi is Rossi's mate and he is Italian.  On top of that Lorenzo is not on both counts.  And maybe Mr R would actually like it if Dovi wins the championship in the year that Lorenzo struggled like mad.

The floor is open......


Rossi was saying after the Malaysian GP; "The youngsters are getting very aggressive, but what can I say? One must race or one must stay at home"

Sounds like he is basically saying that he does not mind, he can take, and dish out.

Unlike Marques, who cried in Jorge's arms. :peepwall: :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: peter stuyvesant on October 31, 2017, 09:11:15 pm
Going to be interesting to see if "George" helps Dovi or his buddy 93 this time around...  :imaposer: :imaposer:
I'm not a 93 fan, however i do think he's currently the best rider and in my opinion, deserves the championship.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 01, 2017, 12:58:53 pm
I have a question for you experts.  You all know about the misery of the Marquez Rossi issue in 2015.  Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what should Rossi do?  Act like a grown up or pull endless passes on Marquez from the first free practice until the end of the race?  Dovi is Rossi's mate and he is Italian.  On top of that Lorenzo is not on both counts.  And maybe Mr R would actually like it if Dovi wins the championship in the year that Lorenzo struggled like mad.

The floor is open......

I doubt VR will interfere with MM, but I can also see that, although he won't wait for Dovi,  he will not challenge him is such a situation comes up. 

Of course, me being a VR and Yamaha fan of note, I believe this picture with a #93 Honda in it would be ever soooooo pretty!   >:D

(http://photos.motogp.com/2016/05/23/3001_06_2016_ita_mgp_race_intw_rossi-2.small.jpg)


You are seeing things. Just like back in 2015

Rossi is the only one to blame for that fuckup

Dear Mr. Bus,

At the risk of antagonizing you to a level where you foam around the mouth, call hit men of various styles and skills, cause your undies to become unwashable and developing seizure of differing extremes, I fear I have to disagree.

Sincerely
The Bear
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 01, 2017, 01:36:40 pm
I have a question for you experts.  You all know about the misery of the Marquez Rossi issue in 2015.  Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what should Rossi do?  Act like a grown up or pull endless passes on Marquez from the first free practice until the end of the race?  Dovi is Rossi's mate and he is Italian.  On top of that Lorenzo is not on both counts.  And maybe Mr R would actually like it if Dovi wins the championship in the year that Lorenzo struggled like mad.

The floor is open......

I doubt VR will interfere with MM, but I can also see that, although he won't wait for Dovi,  he will not challenge him is such a situation comes up. 

Of course, me being a VR and Yamaha fan of note, I believe this picture with a #93 Honda in it would be ever soooooo pretty!   >:D

(http://photos.motogp.com/2016/05/23/3001_06_2016_ita_mgp_race_intw_rossi-2.small.jpg)


You are seeing things. Just like back in 2015

Rossi is the only one to blame for that fuckup

Dear Mr. Bus,

At the risk of antagonizing you to a level where you foam around the mouth, call hit men of various styles and skills, cause your undies to become unwashable and developing seizure of differing extremes, I fear I have to disagree.

Sincerely
The Bear

Marques will simply just pull away from Rossi if he tries that! :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 01, 2017, 01:45:08 pm
Marques will simply just pull away from Rossi if he tries that! :thumleft:

With the current performance capabilities of the Yamahas, you, or I, on a PW80 would pull away from VR!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 01, 2017, 01:56:49 pm
Marques will simply just pull away from Rossi if he tries that! :thumleft:

With the current performance capabilities of the Yamahas, you, or I, on a PW80 would pull away from VR!   :lol8:

 :imaposer: :lol8: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 01, 2017, 03:24:08 pm
GO MM93 :thumleft:

he will be balls to the wall - of that you can be sure
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on November 01, 2017, 03:34:49 pm
GO MM93 :thumleft:

he will be balls to the wall - of that you can be sure

Adding the fact it is a home round for him, gonna be epic.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 01, 2017, 03:44:52 pm
I fear I have to disagree.

That's unexpected
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 01, 2017, 04:48:05 pm
Marques will simply just pull away from Rossi if he tries that! :thumleft:

With the current performance capabilities of the Yamahas, you, or I, on a PW80 would pull away from VR!   :lol8:

MM could still not catch Johann. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Panne on November 02, 2017, 09:02:52 am
I fear I have to disagree.

That's unexpected

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 02, 2017, 09:25:25 am
GO MM93 :thumleft:

he will be balls to the wall - of that you can be sure

You are right, but he shouldn't.  A crash of a blown engine and it is bye-bye trophy.   Of course MM believes riding at 99,99999999999% is backed down and careful. 

Marques will simply just pull away from Rossi if he tries that! :thumleft:

With the current performance capabilities of the Yamahas, you, or I, on a PW80 would pull away from VR!   :lol8:

MM could still not catch Johann. :biggrin:

Indeed!  It seems the new Yamaha strategy of making the new bike worse than its predecessor is working well for them.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 02, 2017, 12:09:25 pm
nothing like an angry Frenchman on a slightly used Yamaha...

Yamaha let some good riders down this year  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 02, 2017, 01:38:01 pm
nothing like an angry Frenchman on a slightly used Yamaha...

Yamaha let some good riders down this year  >:D

Don't tell that Frenchman he is on a Yamaha.  He clearly thinks it is a Bulldozer.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Groenie on November 02, 2017, 02:19:24 pm
Darren Binder will be riding for KTM Ajo in Moto3 next year!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 02, 2017, 02:41:38 pm
Darren Binder will be riding for KTM Ajo in Moto3 next year!

Great news indeed.  FINALLY a confirmation on official media.

I don't normally say: "See, I told you so, but check my post from 23 August", but in this case, I can't help myself.   :thumleft:

Not confirmed and hot of the "skinner" presses, but it seems Darryn Binder will join the KTM Red Bull Ajo team.

I so hope this is factually correct!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on November 02, 2017, 03:28:53 pm
That's great! Hope KTM can catch up to the Hondas during the off season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 03, 2017, 10:59:29 am
That's great! Hope KTM can catch up to the Hondas during the off season.

For sure!  The Moto3 KTM's were not at all impressive during 2017.  Perhaps putting more effort and money into the Moto GP and Moto 2 teams?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 03, 2017, 11:11:41 am
Well ive been a Repsol Honda fan from the day dot.. I support riders sure, but above all I support a team.

I would be very happy if MM won the championship again, I love bragging rights,.That being said I have enjoyed this season so much and i'm a Dovi fan as well, he is such a lekker oke and he has ridden his ass off this year, its no mean feat to kill Lorenzo like he has.

I wouldn't say no if Dovi or Zarco took over from Pedrosa.. it will never happen but one can wish that one day Pedrosa will be replaced and we can start getting more Repsol Honda 1 and 2 next year

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: RobD on November 03, 2017, 11:18:20 am
Well ive been a Repsol Honda fan from the day dot.. I support riders sure, but above all I support a team.

I would be very happy if MM won the championship again, I love bragging rights,.That being said I have enjoyed this season so much and i'm a Dovi fan as well, he is such a lekker oke and he has ridden his ass off this year, its no mean feat to kill Lorenzo like he has.

I wouldn't say no if Dovi or Zarco took over from Pedrosa.. it will never happen but one can wish that one day Pedrosa will be replaced and we can start getting more Repsol Honda 1 and 2 next year

Sure HRC have some regret to keeping Pedrosa and booting Dovi at the time.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 03, 2017, 11:52:15 am
Sure HRC have some regret to keeping Pedrosa and booting Dovi at the time.....

I doubt that.  Pedrosa is a big part of the reason why Repsol remains a loyal sponsor to the HRC team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 03, 2017, 11:52:54 am
Well ive been a Repsol Honda fan from the day dot.. I support riders sure, but above all I support a team.

I would be very happy if MM won the championship again, I love bragging rights,.That being said I have enjoyed this season so much and i'm a Dovi fan as well, he is such a lekker oke and he has ridden his ass off this year, its no mean feat to kill Lorenzo like he has.

I wouldn't say no if Dovi or Zarco took over from Pedrosa.. it will never happen but one can wish that one day Pedrosa will be replaced and we can start getting more Repsol Honda 1 and 2 next year

Sure HRC have some regret to keeping Pedrosa and booting Dovi at the time.....
I'll fall over on my chair if Repsol take on anyone who is not Spanish.. it will never happen.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 03, 2017, 12:07:53 pm
Well ive been a Repsol Honda fan from the day dot.. I support riders sure, but above all I support a team.

I would be very happy if MM won the championship again, I love bragging rights,.That being said I have enjoyed this season so much and i'm a Dovi fan as well, he is such a lekker oke and he has ridden his ass off this year, its no mean feat to kill Lorenzo like he has.

I wouldn't say no if Dovi or Zarco took over from Pedrosa.. it will never happen but one can wish that one day Pedrosa will be replaced and we can start getting more Repsol Honda 1 and 2 next year

Sure HRC have some regret to keeping Pedrosa and booting Dovi at the time.....
I'll fall over on my chair if Repsol take on anyone who is not Spanish.. it will never happen.

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While I tend to agree it is unlikely to happen, "never" is a very, very long time and quite a few non-Spanish riders did ride for the Repsol team over the years. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 10, 2017, 11:08:11 am
Valencia GP:

Moto3 FP1:  Darryn p16.  Interesting, his team mate Ramirez is p1.
Moto2 FP1:  Brad p3.  Team mate p1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KaTooMatt on November 10, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
Well ive been a Repsol Honda fan from the day dot.. I support riders sure, but above all I support a team.

I would be very happy if MM won the championship again, I love bragging rights,.That being said I have enjoyed this season so much and i'm a Dovi fan as well, he is such a lekker oke and he has ridden his ass off this year, its no mean feat to kill Lorenzo like he has.

I wouldn't say no if Dovi or Zarco took over from Pedrosa.. it will never happen but one can wish that one day Pedrosa will be replaced and we can start getting more Repsol Honda 1 and 2 next year

Sure HRC have some regret to keeping Pedrosa and booting Dovi at the time.....
I'll fall over on my chair if Repsol take on anyone who is not Spanish.. it will never happen.

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While I tend to agree it is unlikely to happen, "never" is a very, very long time and quite a few non-Spanish riders did ride for the Repsol team over the years.
That was before the sport was run by the Spaniards for the Spaniards

Now DORNA makes sure Spaniards get to bend the rules - like ride Moto1 before the age limit or behave badly on track with impunity. Repsol can now insist on Spanish riders as there are enough good ones. Riders from nationalities need either very deep pockets or must be exceptional.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KaTooMatt on November 10, 2017, 01:10:39 pm
Some well known Riders agree with me. I know local experts on this forum have been sucked in by the DORNA media bullshit and rate the Spanish riders a bit more than their talent deserves. :ricky:


MotoGP organisers Dorna Sports behaved like the "Spanish mafia" during the controversy between Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez last season, according to motorcycling legend Phil Read.

A duel between Yamaha's Rossi and Honda's Marquez in Malaysia ended in tears for both riders - with Marquez crashing out and Rossi penalised for his actions in the incident.

The race stewards concluded that Rossi was responsible for the contact, meaning he started the final race of the season from last place, costing him the world championship to team-mate Jorge Lorenzo.

And Read, a two-time 500cc champion, has accused Madrid-founded Dorna Sports of favouring the Spanish riders in the paddock.

"It was totally unfair at the Malaysian Grand Prix for Valentino to be penalised, and to have to start at the back of the grid [at Valencia]," Read said at the Autosport International Show on Sunday.

"To my mind it was Marquez’s fault, he leaned on Valentino."

"MotoGP is run by a Spanish group [Dorna], and I feel it’s getting like the Spanish mafia. They are favouring Spanish riders, and not supporting fairly the foreign [non-Spanish] riders."

Former 500cc rider Wayne Gardner backed up Read's comments.

"I think it was the wrong call by the race stewards to penalise Rossi to put him at the back of the grid," said the Australian.

"The whole situation was aggravated by Marquez trying to hold Rossi up, so he could let Lorenzo get away, and then he fell off of his own accord.

"Rossi didn’t push him off with his knee, he was pushed off because he was leaning on [Rossi].

"And then to make Rossi start from the back of the grid for the last race of the championship when he’d fought all year for it, it was a little bit unfair."
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 10, 2017, 01:22:01 pm
The alleged behaviour by the Spanish owned Dorna and Spanish owned Repsol is well known.  Whether Honda, who is in itself not a small company will allow Dorna and especially Repsol to call the tune for ever and a day needs to be seen. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 10:08:50 pm
Some well known Riders agree with me. I know local experts on this forum have been sucked in by the DORNA media bullshit and rate the Spanish riders a bit more than their talent deserves. :ricky:


MotoGP organisers Dorna Sports behaved like the "Spanish mafia" during the controversy between Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez last season, according to motorcycling legend Phil Read.

A duel between Yamaha's Rossi and Honda's Marquez in Malaysia ended in tears for both riders - with Marquez crashing out and Rossi penalised for his actions in the incident.

The race stewards concluded that Rossi was responsible for the contact, meaning he started the final race of the season from last place, costing him the world championship to team-mate Jorge Lorenzo.

And Read, a two-time 500cc champion, has accused Madrid-founded Dorna Sports of favouring the Spanish riders in the paddock.

"It was totally unfair at the Malaysian Grand Prix for Valentino to be penalised, and to have to start at the back of the grid [at Valencia]," Read said at the Autosport International Show on Sunday.

"To my mind it was Marquez’s fault, he leaned on Valentino."

"MotoGP is run by a Spanish group [Dorna], and I feel it’s getting like the Spanish mafia. They are favouring Spanish riders, and not supporting fairly the foreign [non-Spanish] riders."

Former 500cc rider Wayne Gardner backed up Read's comments.

"I think it was the wrong call by the race stewards to penalise Rossi to put him at the back of the grid," said the Australian.

"The whole situation was aggravated by Marquez trying to hold Rossi up, so he could let Lorenzo get away, and then he fell off of his own accord.

"Rossi didn’t push him off with his knee, he was pushed off because he was leaning on [Rossi].

"And then to make Rossi start from the back of the grid for the last race of the championship when he’d fought all year for it, it was a little bit unfair."


Marques, like Max Biaggi, Sete Gibernau and Casey Stoner long before him, tangled with the greatest rider ever and ended up faceplanted. :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: billy-joe on November 11, 2017, 06:34:24 am
Dan, do you think Rossi would be more competitive if he were on the Honda? Or is it that mm uses his bullying tactics to get ahead?


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 11, 2017, 10:33:38 am
Yamaha is letting down great riders
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 11, 2017, 05:56:07 pm
Yamaha is letting down great riders

At the moment yes, but it is the story of 500GP/MotoGP.

Since the late 70's till right now, it has always been a Yamaha/Honda duel, with a sparse sprinkling of Suzuki and lately Dukes.

Honda was where Yamaha is now during Lawson's reign, and yamaha suffered during Gardner's reign.

But it has virtually always been Japanese. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 11, 2017, 05:58:44 pm
Dan, do you think Rossi would be more competitive if he were on the Honda? Or is it that mm uses his bullying tactics to get ahead?


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He could well be currently, just like when he wasted precious championships on the Ducati.

MM could never bully Rossi, that was proven last year when the Spanish punished Rossi for making Markie cry. :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 11, 2017, 06:00:17 pm
Marques will have to have his career-best start tomorrow to get away from Iannone and Zarko, both wanting to end the year with a win.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on November 11, 2017, 06:23:19 pm
I predict we will see MM93 on an orange bike in the future, and not just orange rims.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: billy-joe on November 11, 2017, 09:17:13 pm
In the last race MM pushed Rossi wide which enabled him to get away while Rossi had to scrap with Zarco and someone else for P2,3 +4. MM ain’t stupid and he can ride the wheels off a scoot, it’s just a pity he resorts to trying to push guys off their bikes and gets away with it.  How he miss Dovi in that last corner a few races ago was astonishing, it almost looked like he wanted to take them both out!


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2017, 08:19:19 am
In the last race MM pushed Rossi wide which enabled him to get away while Rossi had to scrap with Zarco and someone else for P2,3 +4. MM ain’t stupid and he can ride the wheels off a scoot, it’s just a pity he resorts to trying to push guys off their bikes and gets away with it.  How he miss Dovi in that last corner a few races ago was astonishing, it almost looked like he wanted to take them both out!


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MM sure is a little fighter! Rossi has also pulled a few dirty's along his career. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: billy-joe on November 12, 2017, 12:04:48 pm
Haha, poor Sete Gibernau!


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Carrots on November 12, 2017, 04:42:19 pm
What a race and well done to Marc. Nobody else can save a crash like that. He is not my favourite rider but he deserves it.

And then. Jorge is the biggest d00s I have ever seen. Murphy is a bliksem he deserves to end up in the kitty litter. I hope he gets the grilling of Ducati management that he deserves. Tonsil.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on November 12, 2017, 04:59:22 pm
I was hoping for Dovisio to take the championship but well done to Marquez.  He deserves it.  Pedrosa is a great teammate to have, he knew what was expected of him today.  Lorenzo is a proes straat pretoria, no polite way of expressing it. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 12, 2017, 05:59:24 pm
I was hoping for Dovisio to take the championship but well done to Marquez.  He deserves it.  Pedrosa is a great teammate to have, he knew what was expected of him today.  Lorenzo is a proes straat pretoria, no polite way of expressing it.
I'm a massive Repsol Honda fan..r gets is no doubt about it and congratulations to the young one who took it again.  But holy moly I like Zarco and Dovi. Both really great riders.

I felt sorry for Ducati I think Dovi deserved to get onto the podium.

How was that save by MM

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OomD on November 12, 2017, 06:16:51 pm
Congrats, mM. Yes, good save there!

Judging by the Ducati team's (deserved)welcome for Dovi it's clear who the champ is in their minds.  :thumleft:

Zarco... What a boytjie, hey! Jislaaik he's going places, and soon I hope.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 12, 2017, 08:42:09 pm
It was an actual race, it's not for the team to interfere with the fairness of a race and force Lorenzo to give up one position, it's for Dovi to pull finger and outride his teammate.

After all the brilliant races Dovi has had this year, today he sat behind his teammate like a slug.

Of course, just like Lorenzo helped MM against Rossi last season, Lorenzo helped MM against Dovi today.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 12, 2017, 08:56:33 pm
It was an actual race, it's not for the team to interfere with the fairness of a race and force Lorenzo to give up one position, it's for Dovi to pull finger and outride his teammate.

After all the brilliant races Dovi has had this year, today he sat behind his teammate like a slug.

Of course, just like Lorenzo helped MM against Rossi last season, Lorenzo helped MM against Dovi today.

 :thumleft:  Dovi was simply not fast enough on the day.

MM sure has balls.  Pushing for the win at the risk of a world championship.  Epic stuff.

Zarco must have the factory yamaha okes blushing in shame?  Wish HRC will approach him....  Is Franky in GP next year?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on November 12, 2017, 10:09:08 pm
It was an actual race, it's not for the team to interfere with the fairness of a race and force Lorenzo to give up one position, it's for Dovi to pull finger and outride his teammate.

After all the brilliant races Dovi has had this year, today he sat behind his teammate like a slug.

Of course, just like Lorenzo helped MM against Rossi last season, Lorenzo helped MM against Dovi today.

Agreed, if you want to win you have to beat the other fellows.  But there are times when you have to think about what is good for the team and not just your own ego.  Pedrosa did that by not attacking Marquez in those opening laps.  Lorenzo did not, he could not reel in the guys ahead of him and then could not give Dovi a shot at it.  Earlier this season I was feeling sorry for Lorenzo and hoped he could get it together as he is a very fast rider.  After yet another d-head performance of his I will be booing him together with the rest of the crowd from now on.  May his misery continue next season.  MM93 showed yet again that he is the real racer out there.  With everything to loose to still push like that when there was no reason, wow, that was stellar stuff.  VR46 will surely fear for his 9 wins to be beaten by Marc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: I&horse on November 12, 2017, 10:22:41 pm
It was an actual race, it's not for the team to interfere with the fairness of a race and force Lorenzo to give up one position, it's for Dovi to pull finger and outride his teammate.

After all the brilliant races Dovi has had this year, today he sat behind his teammate like a slug.

Of course, just like Lorenzo helped MM against Rossi last season, Lorenzo helped MM against Dovi today.

Agreed, if you want to win you have to beat the other fellows.  But there are times when you have to think about what is good for the team and not just your own ego.  Pedrosa did that by not attacking Marquez in those opening laps.  Lorenzo did not, he could not reel in the guys ahead of him and then could not give Dovi a shot at it.  Earlier this season I was feeling sorry for Lorenzo and hoped he could get it together as he is a very fast rider.  After yet another d-head performance of his I will be booing him together with the rest of the crowd from now on.  May his misery continue next season.  MM93 showed yet again that he is the real racer out there.  With everything to loose to still push like that when there was no reason, wow, that was stellar stuff.  VR46 will surely fear for his 9 wins to be beaten by Marc.

Well said. It is still a team sport though JL should have let Dovi through IMO
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: DirtRebell on November 12, 2017, 10:27:24 pm
What a race and well done to Marc. Nobody else can save a crash like that. He is not my favourite rider but he deserves it.

And then. Jorge is the biggest d00s I have ever seen. Murphy is a bliksem he deserves to end up in the kitty litter. I hope he gets the grilling of Ducati management that he deserves. Tonsil.

Boris is going to have a field day on dear George
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 12, 2017, 10:31:01 pm
It was an actual race, it's not for the team to interfere with the fairness of a race and force Lorenzo to give up one position, it's for Dovi to pull finger and outride his teammate.

After all the brilliant races Dovi has had this year, today he sat behind his teammate like a slug.

Of course, just like Lorenzo helped MM against Rossi last season, Lorenzo helped MM against Dovi today.

Agreed, if you want to win you have to beat the other fellows.  But there are times when you have to think about what is good for the team and not just your own ego.  Pedrosa did that by not attacking Marquez in those opening laps.  Lorenzo did not, he could not reel in the guys ahead of him and then could not give Dovi a shot at it.  Earlier this season I was feeling sorry for Lorenzo and hoped he could get it together as he is a very fast rider.  After yet another d-head performance of his I will be booing him together with the rest of the crowd from now on.  May his misery continue next season.  MM93 showed yet again that he is the real racer out there.  With everything to loose to still push like that when there was no reason, wow, that was stellar stuff.  VR46 will surely fear for his 9 wins to be beaten by Marc.

7 GP wins - MM needs 3 more
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 13, 2017, 09:14:25 am
The best guy won this year, just like last year and every other year.

No conspiracy bullshit, although a certain group of assholes (all very recent Dovi fans ;)) are saying that Lorenzo intentionally slowed Dovi down to protect Marquez

The mind boggles.

Anyway, it's gonna be a long time to wait for 2018 again.  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2017, 10:17:50 am
Well done to young Brad Binder!  After a season on a new bike, in a new class he finished 8th in the championship.  Three podiums are not a bad thing either.  Looking forward to seeing this team next year.  They have given notice, loudly and clearly!

The 2017 Yamaha M1 stank to high heaven again and one can only imagine where VR would have ended Sunday he if didn't do a late Saturday switch to the 2016 chassis. 

MM is an incredible rider and deserves the championship.  He still crashes too frequently (27 this season) and each crash carries huge risk.  I hope I am wrong, but he may well find himself with serious, even fatal injuries if he does not calm down a tad.  Even as an ardent VR fan, watching him ride makes is amazing.

So, it is with us!  Who watched the MotoGP eChampionship this weekend?  Now, I have seen it all.  Nice to see a Saffer i the final, even if a video game.

What a race and well done to Marc. Nobody else can save a crash like that. He is not my favourite rider but he deserves it.

And then. Jorge is the biggest d00s I have ever seen. Murphy is a bliksem he deserves to end up in the kitty litter. I hope he gets the grilling of Ducati management that he deserves. Tonsil.

Boris is going to have a field day on dear George

Already did!   :imaposer:

Dear George,

The fuck was that about?

Seriously? Cosa fucking stavi fucking pensonado?

We talked about this. A lot. We talked about it before Sepang. We talked about it during Sepang, and we sure did talk about it a lot after Sepang. You will remember the arm-waving and raised voices.  We have, in fact, never stopped talking about it, and now everybody is going to talk about it until the mountains crumble into the sea and the sun explodes and swallows the Earth.  Before Valencia we talked so much more about it because it was more important than ever that you got it. There was quite a lot at stake.
So three times a day we talked about. Did you not remember the seven-hour-long Powerpoint presentations?

I even left notes under your pillow in case you weren’t listening when we talked about it.

How could you miss the man I hired to walk in front of you with a sandwich board that said in big black letters on a bright yellow background “When You See Suggested Mapping 8 Appear On Your Dash It Means Move The Fuck Over”?

Claudio sent emails. Matthias sent emails. The sainted and blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God Almighty Jesus Himself, sent emails.

And what did you do?

You rode in front of Dovizioso like a massive beshitted thundercunt, and blocked him from passing. Several times Dovi showed you his front wheel. Five times we put the Mapping 8 message on your dash. Three times the pit crew put a big yellow arrow on your pitboard with “-1” next to it in the vain hope you would put all of these things together and drop back a place so your team-mate might have a shot – admittedly a very remote one – of winning a world championship.

Did you tape your visor up when I wasn’t looking, or are you riding with your eyes closed again?

You do remember what world championships are, don’t you?

They must be a little hard to see from your vantage point in the rocky trackside vegetables where you ended up with your closed eyes, but you must remember them.

And do not give me that “I was towing the sad-eyed puta into the lead to fight with Marquez!”
You weren’t riding fast enough to tow anyone anywhere. You were just in the way.

And then you crashed. And then of course Dovi crashed as well. He had obviously lost the will to race along with the will to live. The inside of his race suit was completely filled with his hopeless bitter tears and a few kilos of Spanish gravel.

Have you any idea how I’m going to stop the sobbing coming from his motorhome? We’re even pumping oxygen in through the vents in case he goes into some kind of spasm and forgets to breathe.

It’s a pretty shitty way to end the season, George. The Frenchman beat you like a piñata. The Yellow Puta beat you like rented mule. The dwarf puta beat you like Led Zeppelin’s drum kit. Even Vinales, who forgot how to race a motorcycle after coming back from Ibiza glistening like a donut with the musky moisture of loose island supermodels on his glazed face, beat you. And he came 12th yesterday.
I have no idea what we’re going to test on Tuesday.

Oh wait…I know! Let’s test Reading And Understanding Team Messages On Your Dashboard.

Here’s some homework. Learn this. There will be a test.
Suggest Mapping One – Lose a Tear-Off. It Might Help You See
Suggest Mapping Two – Come Back Into The Pits So I Can Slap You.
Suggest Mapping Three – Marquez Is Winning Again. Just Finish The Race Without Crashing
Suggest Mapping Four – Stop Mashing Your Fist Against The Dash. There Is No Map Four. It’s Code For Stop Mashing Your Fist Against The Dash.
Suggest Mapping Five – Try To Pass Someone. Anyone. Even Rabat Will Do At This Stage.
Suggest Mapping Six – Why Are You Waving At The Crowd? There’s Six Laps Left To Go.
Suggest Mapping Seven – You’re Going The Wrong Way.
Suggest Mapping Eight – Get Out Of the Way You Embarrassingly Slow Arsepigeon.

See you on Tuesday.

Fuck my life,
Gigi

www.bikeme.tv
 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: bud500 on November 13, 2017, 12:35:38 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2017, 08:37:18 pm
The best guy won this year, just like last year and every other year.

No conspiracy bullshit, although a certain group of assholes (all very recent Dovi fans ;)) are saying that Lorenzo intentionally slowed Dovi down to protect Marquez

The mind boggles.

Anyway, it's gonna be a long time to wait for 2018 again.  :-\


Agree! Even with Dovi pulling up to Lorenzo a time or two, it was clear that even if he passed, he would not have had the pace to catch the front guys.

Since they sorted the Ducati handling by detuning the engine output a bit, Dovi and Lorenzo cannot outrun the opponents down the straights anymore either.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 13, 2017, 09:21:14 pm
Danie, what is up with Yamaha?  Been lame lately?  Miss the old Honda/Yami battles.  I mean how can Zarco be competitive but not the factory team?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2017, 09:58:49 pm
Danie, what is up with Yamaha?  Been lame lately?  Miss the old Honda/Yami battles.  I mean how can Zarco be competitive but not the factory team?


I wanted to say that it happens in cycles that a brand just cannot get things together, but of course when Zarco on his Helderberg Yamaha R1 beats the pukka factory bikes......

I just do not know, I mean after the first few races this year, I was sure we had a new wc on a yamaha for 2017, namely Vinhales. But then the wheels started coming off.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2017, 02:23:48 pm
Danie, what is up with Yamaha?  Been lame lately?  Miss the old Honda/Yami battles.  I mean how can Zarco be competitive but not the factory team?


I wanted to say that it happens in cycles that a brand just cannot get things together, but of course when Zarco on his Helderberg Yamaha R1 beats the pukka factory bikes......

I just do not know, I mean after the first few races this year, I was sure we had a new wc on a yamaha for 2017, namely Vinhales. But then the wheels started coming off.

That 2017 M1 sure stank to high heaven.  Perhaps made in India?   >:D

On a more serious note, it is amazing that a factory team can get it this wrong and then struggle all season without any success in resolving the issue.  Make me feel so much better about the times I couldn't get a bloody RD running properly without a moerofa struggle.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2017, 02:33:11 pm
Yamaha have 7 bikes at Valencia for testing today and tomorrow.  2016 version, 2017 version, 2018 version (2 each for VR and MV) and a 2017 model for testing by Zarco.  Rossi just "suffered:  his worst ever season on a Yamaha, so we all hope Yamaha get it right for next year.

One of these Yamahas, already looking rather 2nd hand ......





Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 14, 2017, 02:45:23 pm
Zarco already faster than the factory boys on the 2017 bike, LOL!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Buff on November 14, 2017, 02:46:44 pm

MM is an incredible rider and deserves the championship.  He still crashes too frequently (27 this season) and each crash carries huge risk.  I hope I am wrong, but he may well find himself with serious, even fatal injuries if he does not calm down a tad. 

This worries me often when I watch this kid ride, he just lets it all hang out at eff the consequences. It makes for glorious spectator viewing but it's just a matter of time before the "risk worth reward" bites him very hard. He absolutely deserved the Championship, he was the best rider out there for sure.

As for Yamaha, they certainly have the riders, they just need to sort that bike out, quickly.

And Lorenzo just proved for once and for all that he is indeed a gigantic twatwaffle. I don't think Dovi had the pace to run up front but to blatantly ignore team orders is just idiotic IMHO. He'd better win something next year otherwise Ducati are going to kick his ass.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 14, 2017, 02:48:21 pm
Lorenzo was towing Dovi towards the front runners. Go check the times. And then they both came short.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2017, 02:51:41 pm
Zarco already faster than the factory boys on the 2017 bike, LOL!!!

Is there a site that indicates which bike, or variant of bike, is in use?  Crash.net only shows times, so no way for me to see who is on which bike? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 14, 2017, 02:51:53 pm
I think Jorge Lorenzo and Ducati goes together nicely.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Ventana on November 14, 2017, 03:13:37 pm
What a race and well done to Marc. Nobody else can save a crash like that. He is not my favourite rider but he deserves it.

And then. Jorge is the biggest d00s I have ever seen. Murphy is a bliksem he deserves to end up in the kitty litter. I hope he gets the grilling of Ducati management that he deserves. Tonsil.


So my daughter asks me while we are watching 'Mapping 8' messages and pitboards with '-1' on the screen whether Jorge is more loyal to his Spanish compadre (MM) or to his Italian team and Italian team mate.....interesting observation considering she never watches Moto GP.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 14, 2017, 03:34:22 pm
That is interesting indeed.

There are guys who have been watching MotoGP for years, and also think the same as someone who knows nothing about the sport.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 14, 2017, 04:03:36 pm
That is interesting indeed.

There are guys who have been watching MotoGP for years, and also think the same as someone who knows nothing about the sport.


 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2017, 10:20:36 am
Lorenzo was towing Dovi towards the front runners. Go check the times. And then they both came short.

I don't believe JL's towing explanation was the reality

Dovi's fastest lap was slightlyy faster than JL.  From lap 3 to 18 Dovi was faster than JL on just over half the 16 laps.  JL also never caught up to Pedrosa. On lap 7 he was 4/10s behind DP.  Later,  by 17 a full second.  He was losing ground to DP and therefore not capable of towing Dovi closer.

A rider, while racing can possibly not make these minute calculations and should therefore trust his team.  If they request a move over, they probably have a very good reason for it. 




Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 15, 2017, 10:41:26 am
Ever heard of slipstreaming? Like in qualifying when the slower guys try and tag onto a faster guy to improve a few tenths.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2017, 10:54:04 am
Ever heard of slipstreaming? Like in qualifying when the slower guys try and tag onto a faster guy to improve a few tenths.

I have, indeed.  I have also seen it in action many times. 

Slipstreaming is a very helpful tool to enable two, or more, riders to catch up to another group.  This is especially prevalent in the smaller classes, such as Moto3.  There is a caveat though.  Slipstreaming is only helpful in a race if the guy in the slipstream overtakes the guy in front of him and then they do it again on the next lap, i.e.  JL drags Dovi along, Dovi overtakes.  Next lap Dovi drags JL along and he overtakes.  They keep this up till they can actually start slipstreaming the guy they are chasing.  The fact that they were losing ground to DP, instead of gaining tells us, the JL method was not working.

Qualifying is something else all together, since the slipstream is only required for one fast lap.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 15, 2017, 10:56:16 am
And still, not one front wheel shown by Dovi?

Ok then
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2017, 11:03:05 am
And still, not one front wheel shown by Dovi?

Ok then

I seem to remember a wheel shown a time or two.   Of course, you and I have to base our opinions on only seeing Dovi and JL together for a small portion of the race as the cameras spend lots of time on other riders.  Neither of us can therefore state, with any level of certainty whether a wheel was shown or not.  :thumleft:



Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on November 15, 2017, 11:11:35 am
And still, not one front wheel shown by Dovi?

Ok then

Not with much forcefulness.  I agree that it is very unlikely that Dovi would have been able to get there even if Lorenzo had let him pass.  And the end result of the season would not have changed one iota.  But in your enthusiastic defence of Lorenzo you continue to ignore that Lorenzo ignored team orders, did not get Dovi any closer, has been the weaker rider in the team all year and now in this crucial race only worked to enhance his reputation as a turd.  And that is okay, loyal supporters are needed by all.  But to say that Lorenzo was actually helping is stretching it all a bit.  Now, if my favourite racer VR46 had done this to Dovi then I would have seen that he was trying his best to help his mate.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 15, 2017, 11:43:48 am
The feeling I get is that the ones most upset by Lorenzo's actions, are the Rossi fanboys who would rather have anyone else win than Marquez.

You know, the ones who are all "Rossi forever, I will never support anyone else, MotoGP is nothing without him"...

The ones who jumped ship to Dovi supporters the second their idol fell out of contention for the title.

:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2017, 11:46:53 am
The feeling I get is that the ones most upset by Lorenzo's actions, are the Rossi fanboys who would rather have anyone else win than Marquez.

You know, the ones who are all "Rossi forever, I will never support anyone else, MotoGP is nothing without him"...

The ones who jumped ship to Dovi supporters the second their idol fell out of contention for the title.

:laughing7:

It seems that your arguments are not based in any fact, but rather your dislike for Rossi.  Even in this situation where he was not involved in anyway, your "feeling" is leading you in a very specific direction. 

Such a "feeling" is more often than not, only useful to indicate that it is time to go get some Imodium.   >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 15, 2017, 11:49:41 am
It seems that your arguments are not based in any fact,

Likewise
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2017, 11:57:05 am
It seems that your arguments are not based in any fact,

Likewise

True, to some extend, but at least mine are based on facts as I see it and understand it, rather than some "feeling" based on a dislike for some guy.   :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 15, 2017, 02:10:06 pm
Dovidioso has displayed great talent over the last few years, but imo the bikes he was on always hampered him.

This was his best year ever on the Duke, but if you look at some of his incredible performances this season, then his last race was lacklustre.

While Lorenzo did not obey team orders, I believe that even if he did, Dove's crash showed that he himself was on the bikes limit, ad would have ended in that position.

I dislike the Ducati marque, but I would have been happy to see Dovi win the WC.

I am happy that MM won it, because he rode to win it.

I would have been happy above all for Rossi or Vinhales to take it, because they are on my brand.

I am sorry about one thing, that is that Pedrosa took the win of the last race from Zarco.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Amsterdam on November 15, 2017, 04:26:41 pm
Last words on this saga as I don’t care enough to keep this going. Have a read of May Oxley’s piece.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/team-spirit-not-team-orders
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 15, 2017, 07:09:51 pm
If Dovi was capable of passing JL, which he wasnt, he would have crashed earlier....

And VR suig hol..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 15, 2017, 07:18:14 pm
What I can say is that MM looks quite lame trying to copy the master at the little "victory tricks" like that stupid dice. ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 15, 2017, 07:29:29 pm
What I can say is that MM looks quite lame trying to copy the master at the little "victory tricks" like that stupid dice. ::)

Yeah, that dice was lame :imaposer: but my dog, that kid can ride
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 15, 2017, 09:45:18 pm
If Dovi was capable of passing JL, which he wasnt, he would have crashed earlier....

And VR suig hol..

Ja, VR het ou MM se hol so gesuig voor laasjaar dat MM sommer op Lorenzo se skouer moes huil..... :pot:

"Jorge, Jorge, Vale het my holletjie gesuig!" :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 16, 2017, 09:28:02 am
Dovidioso has displayed great talent over the last few years, but imo the bikes he was on always hampered him.

This was his best year ever on the Duke, but if you look at some of his incredible performances this season, then his last race was lacklustre.

While Lorenzo did not obey team orders, I believe that even if he did, Dove's crash showed that he himself was on the bikes limit, ad would have ended in that position.

I dislike the Ducati marque, but I would have been happy to see Dovi win the WC.

I am happy that MM won it, because he rode to win it.

I would have been happy above all for Rossi or Vinhales to take it, because they are on my brand.

I am sorry about one thing, that is that Pedrosa took the win of the last race from Zarco.

Jissie Danie!  As ek nou wragtig nie van jou kan verskil op een van daai sinne nie!  Iets is fout!   >:D

Ek wil byvoeg.  Ek hou van Zarco.  Ek hoop ons sien hom nog baie op die podium.  Volgend jaar op Yamaha en daarna op 'n KTM, dalk ...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on November 17, 2017, 09:15:24 am
If Dovi was capable of passing JL, which he wasnt, he would have crashed earlier....

And VR suig hol..

Ja, VR het ou MM se hol so gesuig voor laasjaar dat MM sommer op Lorenzo se skouer moes huil..... :pot:

"Jorge, Jorge, Vale het my holletjie gesuig!" :imaposer:

Stadig, stadig, ken jou nie dat jy so laag daal nie!! :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 17, 2017, 09:18:06 am
If Dovi was capable of passing JL, which he wasnt, he would have crashed earlier....

And VR suig hol..

Ja, VR het ou MM se hol so gesuig voor laasjaar dat MM sommer op Lorenzo se skouer moes huil..... :pot:

"Jorge, Jorge, Vale het my holletjie gesuig!" :imaposer:

Stadig, stadig, ken jou nie dat jy so laag daal nie!! :)

 :thumleft: Ek probeer ou Bus so bietjie uitlok.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 17, 2017, 11:47:12 am
 :biggrin:

Nee wat Oom Daan

Ek is nie 'n fanboy nie

Ek geniet die sport as 'n geheel sonder om enkele ouens te aanbid.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KaTooMatt on November 17, 2017, 01:15:35 pm
:biggrin:

Nee wat Oom Daan

Ek is nie 'n fanboy nie

Ek geniet die sport as 'n geheel sonder om enkele ouens te aanbid.
:ricky:The things we like to tell ourselves...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 17, 2017, 07:37:18 pm
:biggrin:

Nee wat Oom Daan

Ek is nie 'n fanboy nie

Ek geniet die sport as 'n geheel sonder om enkele ouens te aanbid.

Jy klink soos n BlouBul, aanbid sommer die hele span. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 20, 2017, 08:24:57 am
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on November 20, 2017, 09:27:46 am
MM gaan nog al die rekords breek wat daar is en hy sal nie so soft cock soos Stoner wees nie want hy is `n racer!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 11:02:47 am
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 20, 2017, 12:01:44 pm
MM gaan nog al die rekords breek wat daar is en hy sal nie so soft cock soos Stoner wees nie want hy is `n racer!


Dit sal my nie verbaas nie, en hy sal dit verdien.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 20, 2017, 12:08:36 pm
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 20, 2017, 12:22:21 pm
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Miskien moet jy in gedagte hou dat Rossi, alhoewel jy hom nou in die verlede wil indruk, nog steeds die MotoGP titelhouer is, en dat MM, alhoewel hy die talent het on Rossi se rekord te breek,
hy dit nog eers moet doen.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on November 20, 2017, 12:28:16 pm
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Miskien moet jy in gedagte hou dat Rossi, alhoewel jy hom nou in die verlede wil indruk, nog steeds die MotoGP titelhouer is, en dat MM, alhoewel hy die talent het on Rossi se rekord te breek,
hy dit nog eers moet doen.


Wat bedoel jy nogsteeds die MotoGP titelhouer? So dit was n klug? MM het nie die 2017 kampioenskap gewen nie?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 20, 2017, 12:29:46 pm
Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Miskien moet jy in gedagte hou dat Rossi, alhoewel jy hom nou in die verlede wil indruk, nog steeds die MotoGP titelhouer is, en dat MM, alhoewel hy die talent het on Rossi se rekord te breek,
hy dit nog eers moet doen.

Geen dispuut daar nie. (alhoewel hy nie die algehele leier is nie, party ouens kyk mos net ver genoeg in die verlede tot dit hulle pas)

Maar die drolle wat elke liewe aanlyn MotogP gesprek, selfs Moto3 en Moto2, bederf met totale irrelevante Rossi aanmerkings maak 'n mens gatvol.

En as jy dit dan aanspreek is jy 'n "Rossi Hater"

Soos ek al vantevore gesê het, die ou self is nie so bad nie, dis sy blinde volgelinge wat versekeie PK's nodig het.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 12:52:21 pm



Maar die drolle wat elke liewe aanlyn MotogP gesprek, selfs Moto3 en Moto2, bederf met totale irrelevante Rossi aanmerkings maak 'n mens gatvol.


Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Dit is baie waar, maar in die betrokke gesprek het dit suiwer oor JL en Dovi gegaan, toe sleep jy VR by.  Niemand anders nie.  Dis mos maar net soos wanneer Shark en Stormer ondersteuners gesels en 'n blou bul sleep die blou bulle by, nie waar nie?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 20, 2017, 12:54:59 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.

As Zuma nou op n Yamaha klim skree ek vir hom. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 12:58:55 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.

As Zuma nou op n Yamaha klim skree ek vir hom. :ricky:

Nee magtig!  Iewers moet en darem 'n streep trek!   :3some:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 20, 2017, 01:04:22 pm



Maar die drolle wat elke liewe aanlyn MotogP gesprek, selfs Moto3 en Moto2, bederf met totale irrelevante Rossi aanmerkings maak 'n mens gatvol.


Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Dit is baie waar, maar in die betrokke gesprek het dit suiwer oor JL en Dovi gegaan, toe sleep jy VR by.  Niemand anders nie.  Dis mos maar net soos wanneer Shark en Stormer ondersteuners gesels en 'n blou bul sleep die blou bulle by, nie waar nie?

Ek het verwys na die idiotiese argument dat Lorenzo aspris vir Dovi gehinder het om Marquez te help met die titel. Vir terugbetaling van 2015 se hulp teen Rossi. Dit is al.
En dit is ook deel van die probleem. Die oomblik wat jy 2015 opbring, en nie by die sameswering teorie inval nie, is jy ook 'n Rossi hater
Wat dan ook blykbaar die heeltyd oor hom praat.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 01:11:09 pm



Maar die drolle wat elke liewe aanlyn MotogP gesprek, selfs Moto3 en Moto2, bederf met totale irrelevante Rossi aanmerkings maak 'n mens gatvol.


Snaaks dat jy die Blou bulle noem, want daar is 'n groepie "ondersteuners" in MotoGP wat presies net soos die bulle nog in die verlede vasgevang is.

En dis al waaroor hulle kan praat

Dan is daar die groepie wat die Blou Bulle afkraak, ongeag wat.  Die twee groepies se denke is maar dieselfde.  En en dieselfde.   :imaposer:

Ek is eerder deel van die groepie wat verouderde lofsange uitwys as presies net dit. Elke keer as dit oor en oor en oor herhaal word in 'n gesprek waar dit nie meer relevant is nie.

Dit is baie waar, maar in die betrokke gesprek het dit suiwer oor JL en Dovi gegaan, toe sleep jy VR by.  Niemand anders nie.  Dis mos maar net soos wanneer Shark en Stormer ondersteuners gesels en 'n blou bul sleep die blou bulle by, nie waar nie?

Ek het verwys na die idiotiese argument dat Lorenzo aspris vir Dovi gehinder het om Marquez te help met die titel. Vir terugbetaling van 2015 se hulp teen Rossi. Dit is al.
En dit is ook deel van die probleem. Die oomblik wat jy 2015 opbring, en nie by die sameswering teorie inval nie, is jy ook 'n Rossi hater
Wat dan ook blykbaar die heeltyd oor hom praat.

Ek dink ek verstaan en stem saam jou tot 'n punt.  Of JL vir Dovi gehinder het of nie kan 'n interresante gesprek wees.  Nie een van die kante van die debat is idioties nie.  Altwee het meriete en dit het niks met VR uit te waai nie.  As iemand VR of 2015 bysleep is dit verdag, maar niks minder as om een kant van die debat idioties te noem nie.   

Ek sien jy hou nie daarvan om 'n Rossi-hater genoem te word nie.  Ek hou nie daarvan om 'n Rossi-fanboy genoem te word as ek bloot probeer gesels oor MotoGP nie?  Kan ons ooreenkom om mekaar nie so te noem nie en dan gesels ons lekker MotoGP saam en al verskil ons, is nie een van ons idiote nie?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Bus on November 20, 2017, 01:26:28 pm
Kan ons ooreenkom om mekaar nie so te noem nie en dan gesels ons lekker MotoGP saam en al verskil ons, is nie een van ons idiote nie?

Ek het nie regtig met jou of van jou gepraat toe ek die idiotiese 2015 payback teorie genoem het nie.

Dit was net 'n opmerking oor hoe deur die kak party mense is en steeds irrelevante stront uit die verlede opbring.

Dit was al.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 01:47:23 pm
Kan ons ooreenkom om mekaar nie so te noem nie en dan gesels ons lekker MotoGP saam en al verskil ons, is nie een van ons idiote nie?

Ek het nie regtig met jou of van jou gepraat toe ek die idiotiese 2015 payback teorie genoem het nie.

Dit was net 'n opmerking oor hoe deur die kak party mense is en steeds irrelevante stront uit die verlede opbring.

Dit was al.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Snafu on November 20, 2017, 02:02:06 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.



Selfde hier, maar net Honda, dit vanaf Malmesbury se Motocross baan nog in aanbou was. Blameer maar vir Ashley Landman :)

Ek het jou laaste stelling doelbewus verwyder :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 20, 2017, 04:01:51 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.



Selfde hier, maar net Honda, dit vanaf Malmesbury se Motocross baan nog in aanbou was. Blameer maar vir Ashley Landman :)

Ek het jou laaste stelling doelbewus verwyder :)


Ja, Honda of Yamaha, in MotoGP is daar nie werklik iemand anders nie.

Ou Zuma op n YZR-M1 sal seker so n 3ure 15 minute kwart myl trek. :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2017, 04:12:19 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.



Selfde hier, maar net Honda, dit vanaf Malmesbury se Motocross baan nog in aanbou was. Blameer maar vir Ashley Landman :)

Ek het jou laaste stelling doelbewus verwyder :)


Ja, Honda of Yamaha, in MotoGP is daar nie werklik iemand anders nie.

Ou Zuma op n YZR-M1 sal seker so n 3ure 15 minute kwart myl trek. :xxbah:

Hou Suzuki and KTM dop oor die komende jaar of twee.  Ek hoop die kompetisie raak baie taaier.

Daai M1 spin so kwaai, Zuma sal net tires brand..

Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 21, 2017, 08:24:55 am
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.



Selfde hier, maar net Honda, dit vanaf Malmesbury se Motocross baan nog in aanbou was. Blameer maar vir Ashley Landman :)

Ek het jou laaste stelling doelbewus verwyder :)


Ja, Honda of Yamaha, in MotoGP is daar nie werklik iemand anders nie.

Ou Zuma op n YZR-M1 sal seker so n 3ure 15 minute kwart myl trek. :xxbah:

Hou Suzuki and KTM dop oor die komende jaar of twee.  Ek hoop die kompetisie raak baie taaier.

Daai M1 spin so kwaai, Zuma sal net tires brand..

Sal mos werk op die komende ANC "rally" :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 21, 2017, 01:29:20 pm
Ek weet, Bus, het self pelle wat amper n vliegkaartjie gekoop het om laas vir MM en Jorge persoonlik te gaan aanvat. ::)

Ek is ook nie n "rider fan" nie, die bloedjies is darem te klein en te jonk.

Ek is n Yamaha man, kom hel of hoe water.



Selfde hier, maar net Honda, dit vanaf Malmesbury se Motocross baan nog in aanbou was. Blameer maar vir Ashley Landman :)

Ek het jou laaste stelling doelbewus verwyder :)


Ja, Honda of Yamaha, in MotoGP is daar nie werklik iemand anders nie.

Ou Zuma op n YZR-M1 sal seker so n 3ure 15 minute kwart myl trek. :xxbah:

Hou Suzuki and KTM dop oor die komende jaar of twee.  Ek hoop die kompetisie raak baie taaier.

Daai M1 spin so kwaai, Zuma sal net tires brand..

Sal mos werk op die komende ANC "rally" :imaposer:

Goeie begrip ..... halwe woord ....   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: TheBear on November 23, 2017, 06:38:09 am
MotoGP and WSBK is testing on Jerez together at the moment.  Those two WSBK Kawasakis are 6th and 8th fastest overall.  Not too shabby for a so-called superbike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Cracker on November 23, 2017, 07:27:07 am
Would like to see what Rea and Davies could do on a GP bike ..........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: KiLRoy on November 23, 2017, 07:33:01 am
MotoGP and WSBK is testing on Jerez together at the moment.  Those two WSBK Kawasakis are 6th and 8th fastest overall.  Not too shabby for a so-called superbike.

Very impressive

Wish Kawa will enter MotoGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 23, 2017, 11:57:59 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2017
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